1 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:37,312 It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much 2 00:00:37,312 --> 00:00:40,273 as a living, severely maimed plaintiff. 3 00:00:40,273 --> 00:00:42,900 However, if it's a long, agonizing death, 4 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:45,528 as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, 5 00:00:45,528 --> 00:00:48,113 the value can rise considerably. 6 00:00:48,113 --> 00:00:51,992 A dead adult in his 20s is worth less than a middle-aged one, 7 00:00:51,992 --> 00:00:54,494 a dead woman less than a dead man, 8 00:00:54,494 --> 00:00:57,330 single adults less than married, 9 00:00:57,330 --> 00:01:01,417 black less than white, poor less than rich. 10 00:01:01,417 --> 00:01:04,961 But the perfect victim is a white, male, professional - 11 00:01:04,961 --> 00:01:08,089 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, 12 00:01:08,089 --> 00:01:10,716 struck down in his prime. 13 00:01:10,716 --> 00:01:13,385 And the most imperfect? 14 00:01:13,385 --> 00:01:16,513 Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, 15 00:01:16,513 --> 00:01:19,218 a dead child is worth least of all. 16 00:01:23,061 --> 00:01:24,729 A million dollars he turns down. 17 00:01:24,729 --> 00:01:28,440 - One million dollars! - I don't believe their story. 18 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,859 - It's true. - Come on! 19 00:01:30,859 --> 00:01:33,695 - Hey, Eddie. How you doing? - Good. 20 00:01:33,695 --> 00:01:35,905 Do me a favor - shut the fuck up. 21 00:01:35,905 --> 00:01:39,992 Our banker there doesn't know Jan refused a million. 22 00:01:39,992 --> 00:01:42,198 - Sorry. - Yeah. 23 00:01:45,372 --> 00:01:47,245 Asshole. 24 00:02:09,727 --> 00:02:12,644 How's your head? Up? 25 00:02:16,399 --> 00:02:20,313 How's that? OK? Are you comfortable? 26 00:02:21,654 --> 00:02:23,942 Open? 27 00:02:32,205 --> 00:02:34,493 Here we go. 28 00:02:43,381 --> 00:02:45,457 All rise. 29 00:02:47,301 --> 00:02:49,424 This court is now in session. 30 00:02:49,512 --> 00:02:53,348 The Honorable Constance Mullen presiding. 31 00:02:53,348 --> 00:02:55,424 Would you like some water? 32 00:02:55,892 --> 00:02:58,643 Carney versus Massachusetts General Hospital - 33 00:02:58,728 --> 00:03:01,432 case number 812725. 34 00:03:04,066 --> 00:03:06,853 Attorneys, please state your appearance. 35 00:03:06,944 --> 00:03:08,817 Randolph Woodside, Mass General. 36 00:03:09,904 --> 00:03:12,111 Greg Monk, Massachusetts General Hospital. 37 00:03:13,032 --> 00:03:14,657 Harold Peshniak, Mass General. 38 00:03:15,743 --> 00:03:17,486 Jan Schlichtmann for Paul Carney. 39 00:03:17,578 --> 00:03:21,206 Kevin Conway for Mr Carney, Your Honor. 40 00:03:21,206 --> 00:03:24,491 Mr Schlichtmann, we're ready for your opening statement. 41 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,564 Your Honor, if it please the court, 42 00:03:51,649 --> 00:03:54,650 the parties involved have agreed to a settlement. 43 00:05:05,673 --> 00:05:08,424 Personal injury law has a bad reputation. 44 00:05:08,509 --> 00:05:11,260 They call us ambulance chasers, bottom feeders, 45 00:05:11,344 --> 00:05:14,347 vultures preying on the misfortunes of others. 46 00:05:14,347 --> 00:05:18,594 If that's true, why do I lie awake worrying about my clients? 47 00:05:18,684 --> 00:05:21,519 Why is their pain my pain? 48 00:05:21,603 --> 00:05:26,728 I wish I didn't empathize. It'd be a lot easier. 49 00:05:48,168 --> 00:05:51,039 We're speaking to Jan Schlichtmann, personal injury attorney 50 00:05:51,129 --> 00:05:54,165 and according to Boston magazine - have you seen this? - 51 00:05:54,257 --> 00:05:57,507 one of Boston's ten most eligible bachelors. 52 00:06:10,938 --> 00:06:13,560 Let's go back to the phones. Woburn, you're on the air. 53 00:06:16,277 --> 00:06:17,771 Mr Schlichtmann, it's Anne Anderson. 54 00:06:17,861 --> 00:06:19,854 - Hello. - How are you? 55 00:06:19,946 --> 00:06:22,484 Very well. You? Sounds pretty. 56 00:06:23,575 --> 00:06:25,614 How come you never call me? 57 00:06:25,701 --> 00:06:29,319 - If I had your number, I would. - You have it. 58 00:06:29,413 --> 00:06:33,197 - I do? - You have no idea who I am? 59 00:06:33,291 --> 00:06:35,829 - Is this Ricky? - No. 60 00:06:35,919 --> 00:06:39,204 You see, my son died of leukemia two years ago. 61 00:06:39,297 --> 00:06:42,416 - Your firm is handling the case. - We are? 62 00:06:42,508 --> 00:06:45,343 The reason I'm calling you here 63 00:06:45,427 --> 00:06:50,468 is because my calls to your offices have gone unreturned for weeks. 64 00:06:50,557 --> 00:06:52,882 - Sorry, your name was? - Anne. 65 00:06:52,975 --> 00:06:55,144 - Anne... - Anderson. 66 00:06:55,144 --> 00:06:59,640 I'm writing that down. I'm gonna take care of this. 67 00:07:02,025 --> 00:07:03,816 Why don't you come up to Woburn 68 00:07:03,902 --> 00:07:08,610 and actually meet a few of those people whose pain is your pain? 69 00:07:11,867 --> 00:07:13,575 Let me picture this. 70 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:17,658 She called you, she cried. You felt sorry and you cried. 71 00:07:17,747 --> 00:07:21,080 - Now she's mad. - It's a good case. 72 00:07:21,167 --> 00:07:24,535 - She's not crying now! - An orphan, but good. 73 00:07:24,628 --> 00:07:28,495 12 deaths over 15 years from leukemia - eight of them children. 74 00:07:28,590 --> 00:07:32,172 - That's unusual? - Statistically. It's a small town. 75 00:07:32,260 --> 00:07:33,719 She lost a child? 76 00:07:34,846 --> 00:07:38,296 They think it's something to do with the city's drinking water 77 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:40,264 which they say tastes funny. 78 00:07:40,350 --> 00:07:42,477 What was she like before? 79 00:07:42,477 --> 00:07:46,231 - Do want to hear what it's about? - No, I don't! 80 00:07:46,231 --> 00:07:48,804 I'd like to hear about it. 81 00:07:51,026 --> 00:07:53,404 Thank you, Kathy. 82 00:07:53,404 --> 00:07:56,108 There's a report here from state inspectors 83 00:07:56,198 --> 00:07:59,234 saying that the water from two city wells 84 00:07:59,325 --> 00:08:02,776 is contaminated - or was before they shut them down - 85 00:08:02,870 --> 00:08:06,155 with something called... I can't pronounce this... 86 00:08:06,248 --> 00:08:08,371 trichloroethylene...ethylene, 87 00:08:08,458 --> 00:08:11,032 which the EPA lists as a probable carcinogen. 88 00:08:11,127 --> 00:08:12,954 - Stop. - There's more. 89 00:08:13,046 --> 00:08:18,288 No, from a financial standpoint, this is not a sound investment. 90 00:08:18,384 --> 00:08:20,709 Probable is a euphemism for unproven. 91 00:08:20,803 --> 00:08:24,218 To prove something like this, you need new medical research. 92 00:08:24,306 --> 00:08:26,678 Is that our business - medical research? 93 00:08:26,766 --> 00:08:31,226 And...and ask yourself, why is this an orphan? 94 00:08:31,312 --> 00:08:34,727 It's been kicked around before ending up on your desk. 95 00:08:34,815 --> 00:08:37,567 Gordon's right. 96 00:08:37,567 --> 00:08:41,404 I can appreciate the theatrical value of dead kids. 97 00:08:41,404 --> 00:08:46,196 That's good. But that's all it has going for it, and it's not enough. 98 00:08:47,326 --> 00:08:49,365 I'll get rid of it. 99 00:08:50,704 --> 00:08:54,037 I'll...just go up there and... 100 00:08:54,124 --> 00:08:58,452 You'll both start to cry again, she'll be mad at me. 101 00:08:58,544 --> 00:09:02,707 I'll do it. I'll get rid of it. Give it to me. 102 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:07,419 Thank you. 103 00:09:17,394 --> 00:09:19,433 - There you go, sir. - Thank you. 104 00:09:19,521 --> 00:09:21,394 - Drive careful. - Yeah. 105 00:09:29,988 --> 00:09:32,028 When I stand on my porch, 106 00:09:32,115 --> 00:09:34,155 I can see the houses where children died. 107 00:09:35,827 --> 00:09:39,954 These are the Kanes, the Toomeys, the Zohners, 108 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:43,822 the Robbins and the Aufieros. 109 00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:46,490 Now, I want to be clear. 110 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:49,622 I'm not interested in money - none of us are. 111 00:09:49,714 --> 00:09:54,755 What we want is to know what happened. And we want an apology. 112 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:57,513 - From who? - Whoever did this. 113 00:09:57,596 --> 00:10:01,463 I want somebody to come and say, "We're responsible. 114 00:10:01,558 --> 00:10:04,642 "We didn't mean it, but we're sorry." 115 00:10:04,727 --> 00:10:06,767 But who is that? 116 00:10:08,772 --> 00:10:11,144 Well, we don't know. 117 00:10:11,233 --> 00:10:15,147 Mrs Anderson, our firm is very small, just three attorneys. 118 00:10:15,236 --> 00:10:18,652 We can only take so many cases at once 119 00:10:18,740 --> 00:10:23,152 and we have to be choosy because, frankly, we can't afford to lose. 120 00:10:23,244 --> 00:10:28,284 We pay everything. We only get paid if we win or settle. 121 00:10:28,373 --> 00:10:31,243 - I know. - You want an apology. 122 00:10:31,334 --> 00:10:35,414 And I'd love to get you that apology, but from who? 123 00:10:35,504 --> 00:10:39,336 Who is going to apologize to you and pay me? 124 00:10:39,424 --> 00:10:42,793 There has to be a defendant with very deep pockets. 125 00:10:42,886 --> 00:10:46,089 This is not an inexpensive case to try. 126 00:10:49,391 --> 00:10:51,763 There's an old tannery out there. 127 00:10:51,852 --> 00:10:53,725 A tannery? 128 00:10:53,812 --> 00:10:56,385 And some other small factories. 129 00:11:01,902 --> 00:11:05,816 I really wish I could help you but I can't. I'm sorry. 130 00:11:05,906 --> 00:11:11,611 Maybe you could go out to the river, to the wells, and look. 131 00:11:11,703 --> 00:11:15,486 For what? What would that accomplish? 132 00:11:19,793 --> 00:11:23,921 I do hope you find someone. And I am sorry. 133 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:40,634 - Thank you very much. - Drive carefully. 134 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:45,172 It was fate. 135 00:14:45,265 --> 00:14:50,223 I was meant to get that ticket, at that moment, at that exact spot. 136 00:14:51,312 --> 00:14:53,435 Do you know who Beatrice is? 137 00:14:56,859 --> 00:14:59,017 Peter Pan peanut butter, 138 00:14:59,111 --> 00:15:00,439 Tropicana orange juice, 139 00:15:00,529 --> 00:15:02,071 Rosarita Mexican Food, 140 00:15:02,239 --> 00:15:06,188 Swiss Miss cocoa, Samsonite luggage... The list goes on! 141 00:15:06,284 --> 00:15:09,036 - And the other one? - W.R. Grace. 142 00:15:09,036 --> 00:15:10,996 Chemical plants in two dozen states, 143 00:15:10,996 --> 00:15:12,905 South America, Europe and Japan. 144 00:15:12,998 --> 00:15:15,156 - What's this? - The ticket. 145 00:15:15,250 --> 00:15:18,085 No, I've got that right here. 146 00:15:18,169 --> 00:15:22,380 - I got two speeding tickets. - A two-ticket town? 147 00:15:22,465 --> 00:15:24,955 Exactly. Don't take your Caddie there. 148 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:29,137 Kevin, it's a gold mine. You almost let it get away. 149 00:15:29,137 --> 00:15:31,889 I almost let it get away. 150 00:15:36,227 --> 00:15:39,726 Lawsuits are war - it's as simple as that. 151 00:15:39,813 --> 00:15:43,893 And they begin the same way, with a declaration of war - 152 00:15:43,984 --> 00:15:46,023 the complaint. 153 00:15:46,111 --> 00:15:48,945 When you're a small firm and they're big, 154 00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:51,188 steeped in history and wealth, 155 00:15:51,282 --> 00:15:53,654 with Persian carpets on the floor 156 00:15:53,742 --> 00:15:55,900 and Harvard diplomas on the walls, 157 00:15:55,994 --> 00:15:58,402 it's easy to be intimidated. 158 00:15:58,496 --> 00:16:00,821 Don't - that's what they want. 159 00:16:00,915 --> 00:16:03,750 That's what they expect, like all bullies. 160 00:16:03,834 --> 00:16:06,123 That's how they win. 161 00:16:07,379 --> 00:16:09,834 I don't run away from bullies. 162 00:16:36,071 --> 00:16:37,814 Mr Facher... 163 00:16:37,906 --> 00:16:41,357 Mr Doyle asked me to bring this to you. 164 00:16:51,793 --> 00:16:54,129 When? 165 00:16:54,129 --> 00:16:56,798 - When did he ask me? - Yeah. 166 00:16:56,881 --> 00:16:58,079 Just now. 167 00:16:58,174 --> 00:17:02,919 On your lunch break? That hardly seems fair. 168 00:17:03,011 --> 00:17:07,599 I almost never go to lunch, sir. Too much to do. 169 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:09,638 I just grab something. 170 00:17:09,726 --> 00:17:13,593 You know, I'd make a point of taking an hour or so 171 00:17:13,687 --> 00:17:16,261 away from all the noise and insanity. 172 00:17:16,356 --> 00:17:17,815 I should do that. 173 00:17:17,899 --> 00:17:21,315 I'd find a place that was relatively quiet and peaceful, 174 00:17:21,403 --> 00:17:24,024 have a sandwich, read a magazine. 175 00:17:24,113 --> 00:17:27,612 Maybe listen to a game if one was on. 176 00:17:29,368 --> 00:17:34,658 I'd make sure everyone knew not to disturb me during that hour. 177 00:17:34,748 --> 00:17:38,330 Because that would be my time - my own private time, 178 00:17:38,418 --> 00:17:42,249 which no-one, if they had any sense of self-preservation, 179 00:17:42,338 --> 00:17:44,377 would dare interrupt. 180 00:17:46,133 --> 00:17:48,208 If I were you. 181 00:17:50,511 --> 00:17:51,591 I'm sorry. 182 00:18:11,155 --> 00:18:13,313 Jesus. 183 00:18:16,951 --> 00:18:18,860 Jesus! 184 00:18:26,293 --> 00:18:29,044 Jesus... 185 00:18:31,589 --> 00:18:35,421 Mr Facher, it's Bill Cheeseman - Foley, Hoag and Elliot. 186 00:18:35,509 --> 00:18:37,217 We represent New York Grace. 187 00:18:37,303 --> 00:18:39,295 How you doing? 188 00:18:39,388 --> 00:18:43,219 Well, all right, I guess, under the circumstances. 189 00:18:43,308 --> 00:18:45,099 What circumstances are those? 190 00:18:45,185 --> 00:18:48,019 Woburn - these outrageous charges. 191 00:18:48,104 --> 00:18:51,519 This bloodsucking ambulance chaser, Schlichtmann. 192 00:18:51,607 --> 00:18:53,149 Who? 193 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:57,361 We're co-defendants in a lawsuit, Mr Facher, a very serious lawsuit. 194 00:18:57,445 --> 00:19:01,359 - What? - What is that thumping? 195 00:19:03,868 --> 00:19:07,735 Yeah, well, it's gone now. It was driving me crazy! 196 00:19:07,829 --> 00:19:11,530 I was wondering if I could talk to you. 197 00:19:11,624 --> 00:19:16,085 - Could we meet for a drink or... - What's on your mind? 198 00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:18,839 I'll tell you what I'm thinking. 199 00:19:18,922 --> 00:19:22,505 - Are you familiar with Rule 11? - With what? 200 00:19:22,592 --> 00:19:24,881 Rule 11 , a civil provision 201 00:19:24,969 --> 00:19:28,005 to prevent frivolous and irresponsible lawsuits like this, 202 00:19:28,097 --> 00:19:31,133 and sanction quite severely those who file them. 203 00:19:32,351 --> 00:19:36,479 Mr...Cheeseman. Cheeseman, is it? 204 00:19:39,065 --> 00:19:41,307 Mr Cheeseman. What is a fine? 205 00:19:41,401 --> 00:19:44,899 You get fined, you pay it and carry on. 206 00:19:44,987 --> 00:19:50,361 If you're gonna knock a guy down, do it so he can't get up again. 207 00:19:53,661 --> 00:19:56,413 What are you looking for with this suit? 208 00:19:56,497 --> 00:19:59,166 Obviously, we're seeking compensation for the families 209 00:19:59,250 --> 00:20:02,784 and punitive damages for willful negligence by these companies. 210 00:20:02,878 --> 00:20:05,962 But is that what this is about - money? 211 00:20:06,047 --> 00:20:09,083 - No. - Is that what matters most? 212 00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:11,962 - No. - It's about this. 213 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:17,257 And this. 214 00:20:20,727 --> 00:20:22,636 And this. 215 00:20:24,146 --> 00:20:25,806 Yeah. 216 00:20:27,191 --> 00:20:30,394 Yeah, I know, we have no feelings, no compassion, 217 00:20:30,485 --> 00:20:32,478 no empathy for our clients' suffering. 218 00:20:32,571 --> 00:20:34,314 Can I say something? 219 00:20:34,405 --> 00:20:37,240 What does that have to do with anything? 220 00:20:37,325 --> 00:20:39,994 The lawyer who shares his client's pain 221 00:20:40,077 --> 00:20:42,402 does his client such a grave disservice 222 00:20:42,496 --> 00:20:45,947 he should have his license to practice taken away. 223 00:20:46,041 --> 00:20:49,492 It clouds his judgement, and that's as useful 224 00:20:49,585 --> 00:20:52,752 as a doctor who's frightened of blood. 225 00:20:52,838 --> 00:20:53,834 All rise. 226 00:20:55,507 --> 00:20:57,583 This court is now in session. 227 00:20:57,676 --> 00:21:00,879 The Honorable Walter J Skinner presiding. 228 00:21:00,970 --> 00:21:03,010 Is this the only case? 229 00:21:03,097 --> 00:21:05,884 This is a lot of lawyers. 230 00:21:05,975 --> 00:21:07,801 Sit down. 231 00:21:12,689 --> 00:21:16,733 You're looking well. The Red Sox must be in first place. 232 00:21:16,818 --> 00:21:19,902 Roger Clemens is the answer to my prayers. 233 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,272 You have some interest in this case? 234 00:21:23,365 --> 00:21:28,441 I'm a co-defendant, but it's not my motion. It's Foley-Hoag's. 235 00:21:28,536 --> 00:21:30,825 - And that motion? - Your Honor. 236 00:21:30,913 --> 00:21:33,867 - I'm Jan Schlichtmann. - I know. Sit down. 237 00:21:35,793 --> 00:21:38,248 The matter before us seems simple. 238 00:21:38,337 --> 00:21:42,037 - Your Honor, it isn't. - May I hear it? 239 00:21:42,132 --> 00:21:45,176 The intention here is to place me 240 00:21:45,176 --> 00:21:48,093 under a cloud of impropriety. 241 00:21:48,179 --> 00:21:50,504 - Really? - Yes. What they're saying 242 00:21:50,597 --> 00:21:55,010 is that they know law and I don't, they're real lawyers and I'm not. 243 00:21:55,101 --> 00:21:57,307 They're just trying to humiliate me. 244 00:21:57,395 --> 00:22:02,899 You are a personal injury lawyer, aren't you? I think you'll survive. 245 00:22:03,817 --> 00:22:07,435 - See? It's starting already. - No, you've started already. 246 00:22:07,529 --> 00:22:09,854 I'm on the defensive, they're the defendants. 247 00:22:09,948 --> 00:22:13,566 Do you think I might hear this motion 248 00:22:13,659 --> 00:22:17,158 before You explain to ME what it's really about? 249 00:22:18,539 --> 00:22:20,994 - Of course. - Thank you. 250 00:22:22,709 --> 00:22:28,129 Now, Mr...Cheeseman, is it? 251 00:22:31,925 --> 00:22:34,250 Your motion to dismiss is based on? 252 00:22:34,344 --> 00:22:36,171 Rule 11 , Your Honor. 253 00:22:36,263 --> 00:22:40,600 Specifically that Mr Schlichtmann had no evidential grounds 254 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,806 on which to bring this suit - 255 00:22:42,893 --> 00:22:47,721 only his knowledge that W.R. Grace Corporation has a lot of money. 256 00:22:47,814 --> 00:22:49,225 Not true. 257 00:22:49,316 --> 00:22:53,527 He performed no real investigation, did no research of any consequence, 258 00:22:53,611 --> 00:22:56,896 except perhaps to review profit statements. 259 00:22:56,989 --> 00:23:01,567 And he's prepared his complaint so inexpertly as to render it moot. 260 00:23:01,660 --> 00:23:05,704 - All untrue. - Do you know what Rule 11 is? 261 00:23:05,788 --> 00:23:09,537 To be honest, Your Honor, I had to look it up. 262 00:23:09,625 --> 00:23:15,378 I'll be honest, so did l. Do you know why, Mr Cheeseman? 263 00:23:15,464 --> 00:23:18,250 Because it is so old and ambiguous 264 00:23:18,341 --> 00:23:21,710 few lawyers waste their time with it, or mine. 265 00:23:21,803 --> 00:23:26,345 It's a non-issue, Mr Cheeseman. Your motion is denied. Thank you. 266 00:23:26,432 --> 00:23:28,258 Thank you. 267 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:30,888 - Anything else? - No, Your Honor. 268 00:23:30,977 --> 00:23:32,886 Set a trial date. 269 00:23:32,979 --> 00:23:36,763 Excuse me, Mr Facher. I'd like to thank you. 270 00:23:36,857 --> 00:23:41,270 That was very statesman-like of you not to join that ridiculous attack. 271 00:23:43,572 --> 00:23:45,481 You're welcome. 272 00:23:48,743 --> 00:23:50,949 We have to show how 273 00:23:51,037 --> 00:23:54,619 the toxic solvents these factories dumped on the land there, 274 00:23:54,706 --> 00:23:59,700 were drawn into the city wells here and Well H over there, 275 00:23:59,794 --> 00:24:02,499 and then pumped into east Woburn homes. 276 00:24:02,588 --> 00:24:06,087 So I'll need to inspect and map the debris, 277 00:24:06,175 --> 00:24:08,510 drill some monitoring wells, 278 00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:12,264 conduct seismic tests, and so on. 279 00:24:12,264 --> 00:24:16,308 And you're talking about you and a couple of assistants? 280 00:24:16,392 --> 00:24:19,761 No. I mean a team of geologists and engineers. 281 00:24:19,854 --> 00:24:23,139 - A team? - A big team. 282 00:24:26,609 --> 00:24:28,602 It's actually quite exciting. 283 00:24:28,695 --> 00:24:32,443 The nature of the contour here means there's an effect - 284 00:24:32,531 --> 00:24:34,191 named after me, actually... 285 00:24:37,911 --> 00:24:43,153 In the shop, Mr Roberts, you used solvents to clean brushes? 286 00:24:44,792 --> 00:24:49,786 What would you've done with that stuff back in the 1970s and '80s? 287 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,926 - Used solvent? Put it in drums. - 35-gallon drums? 288 00:24:54,926 --> 00:24:57,547 What would you do with full drums? 289 00:24:57,637 --> 00:25:00,306 - Don't know. - They just went? 290 00:25:00,389 --> 00:25:03,555 - Never noticed. - Did you dump them? 291 00:25:03,642 --> 00:25:07,103 - No. - Nothing like that? 292 00:25:07,103 --> 00:25:10,519 - Never noticed anyone who did? - No. 293 00:25:10,606 --> 00:25:13,651 Just disappeared... 294 00:25:13,651 --> 00:25:16,320 What were your duties at Grace, Mr Shalline? 295 00:25:16,403 --> 00:25:22,275 Discharge to the drains. Be sure we weren't polluting the air. 296 00:25:22,367 --> 00:25:27,871 Then you know that chemicals were deposited behind the plant? 297 00:25:27,955 --> 00:25:29,994 I don't know that. 298 00:25:30,082 --> 00:25:32,454 Six barrels of toxic waste 299 00:25:32,542 --> 00:25:36,789 were found there in a pit and exhumed by city inspectors. 300 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,872 - You didn't know? - Nope. 301 00:25:38,965 --> 00:25:44,011 Back in 1965 did you clean metal parts with solvent? 302 00:25:44,011 --> 00:25:45,173 Yes. 303 00:25:45,262 --> 00:25:47,966 - What kind? - That I couldn't say. 304 00:25:48,056 --> 00:25:52,801 Did you ever notice the name trichloroethylene or TCE? 305 00:25:52,894 --> 00:25:54,138 I don't know. 306 00:25:54,228 --> 00:25:58,605 But you'd put it in barrels when you were finished, right? 307 00:25:58,690 --> 00:25:59,722 Yes. 308 00:25:59,816 --> 00:26:04,362 Did you ever see what happened to these barrels? 309 00:26:04,362 --> 00:26:05,358 Yes. 310 00:26:15,622 --> 00:26:17,033 What was that? 311 00:26:20,334 --> 00:26:24,035 - They get dumped. - Where? 312 00:26:24,129 --> 00:26:27,664 - Out back, in the ground. - You saw this? 313 00:26:27,758 --> 00:26:29,216 Yes. 314 00:26:29,301 --> 00:26:31,174 - When? - My coffee break. 315 00:26:31,261 --> 00:26:36,005 I would go out and hit nine-iron shots with golf balls. 316 00:26:36,098 --> 00:26:38,138 Do you want a break? 317 00:26:38,225 --> 00:26:41,925 - Do you need a break? - No. 318 00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:46,895 Did you see who was dumping the stuff while hitting golf balls? 319 00:26:47,984 --> 00:26:52,526 - What do you mean? - The names of people. 320 00:26:55,699 --> 00:26:57,656 He wants to tell us. 321 00:26:57,742 --> 00:27:01,442 He won't tell us. He has to work there. 322 00:27:01,537 --> 00:27:07,123 But he lives near Anne Anderson. He sees her every day. 323 00:27:34,942 --> 00:27:39,354 - Mr Love, do you have any children? - Yes, I do. 324 00:27:39,446 --> 00:27:41,438 - Eight of them. - Eight? 325 00:27:41,531 --> 00:27:44,734 My goodness! That's quite a family. 326 00:27:45,951 --> 00:27:49,788 What do you think of the water in Woburn? 327 00:27:49,788 --> 00:27:52,195 Now? It's all right. 328 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:54,781 What about then, 15 years ago? 329 00:27:54,876 --> 00:27:58,955 It had an odor then. Chlorine or something. 330 00:28:00,256 --> 00:28:03,126 - Did you drink it? - Yeah. 331 00:28:03,216 --> 00:28:06,834 - The kids? - Yes. 332 00:28:09,055 --> 00:28:12,506 Were you concerned when you found the wells were contaminated? 333 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,467 I object to that. You don't have to answer that. 334 00:28:18,939 --> 00:28:22,687 - Yeah, I was concerned. - For your family? 335 00:28:22,775 --> 00:28:23,771 Yes. 336 00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:27,939 Has any member of your family had any unusual illness? 337 00:28:28,030 --> 00:28:33,243 You don't have to answer any of these type of questions. 338 00:28:33,243 --> 00:28:35,235 - Yeah. - What kind? 339 00:28:35,328 --> 00:28:37,320 One of my sons has seizures, 340 00:28:37,413 --> 00:28:40,367 my eldest daughter has had two miscarriages 341 00:28:40,458 --> 00:28:42,497 and my youngest was born with... 342 00:28:42,584 --> 00:28:46,083 Are we going to go through their entire medical history? 343 00:28:46,171 --> 00:28:48,709 If you don't want to hear, leave. 344 00:28:48,798 --> 00:28:52,131 What's wrong? We're deposing Grace employees, not Beatrice. 345 00:28:52,218 --> 00:28:57,804 - I have a right to be here. - Then sit down and shut up! 346 00:29:07,731 --> 00:29:09,558 Mr Love, 347 00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:15,403 are you aware that some of your neighbors have had leukemia? 348 00:29:15,488 --> 00:29:17,196 Yes, I am. 349 00:29:18,574 --> 00:29:20,614 They think it's the water. 350 00:29:21,702 --> 00:29:25,746 Al, that water hasn't made anybody sick. 351 00:29:27,791 --> 00:29:32,582 - How do you know? - I just do. 352 00:29:33,796 --> 00:29:36,880 A lot of people in my neighborhood are dead, 353 00:29:36,965 --> 00:29:39,539 or dying, Mr Chessman, from something. 354 00:29:41,678 --> 00:29:44,963 Look, if I took a hundred pennies 355 00:29:45,056 --> 00:29:47,381 and threw them in the air, 356 00:29:47,475 --> 00:29:51,228 half would land heads and half tails, right? 357 00:29:51,228 --> 00:29:55,690 Looking close, I'd probably find some heads grouped together. 358 00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:58,192 Does that mean anything? 359 00:29:58,192 --> 00:30:01,608 You see, no one knows what causes leukemia, Al. 360 00:30:01,696 --> 00:30:06,158 No one knows what caused that cluster. 361 00:30:06,158 --> 00:30:10,369 I know what happened. And I know who did it. 362 00:30:15,791 --> 00:30:17,831 Al, this is very important. 363 00:30:19,044 --> 00:30:22,164 I want you to tell me who those people are. 364 00:30:22,255 --> 00:30:25,383 I'm not a rat. 365 00:30:25,383 --> 00:30:27,468 You know, it's important, 366 00:30:27,468 --> 00:30:30,338 because if there is something wrong, 367 00:30:30,429 --> 00:30:33,465 we need to disclose it to the authorities. 368 00:30:33,557 --> 00:30:37,684 We need to get them out there and have it cleaned up. 369 00:30:39,646 --> 00:30:42,765 You think about that and call me. 370 00:30:42,857 --> 00:30:44,766 Yeah. Yeah. 371 00:31:10,881 --> 00:31:13,039 Do you eat peanut butter? 372 00:31:14,551 --> 00:31:15,962 No. 373 00:31:16,053 --> 00:31:17,760 You've never eaten peanut butter? 374 00:31:17,846 --> 00:31:20,301 I guess everyone alive has tried it, 375 00:31:20,390 --> 00:31:23,474 but I'm not a peanut butter fan. 376 00:31:25,144 --> 00:31:28,429 Did your son ever eat peanut butter? 377 00:31:30,982 --> 00:31:34,682 - Do you eat bacon? - Yes. 378 00:31:34,777 --> 00:31:38,146 - Yes. - How often? How many slices? 379 00:31:41,533 --> 00:31:44,368 Do you have Teflon pans in your kitchen? 380 00:31:44,453 --> 00:31:47,903 Do you chew sugarless gum? Do you pump your own gas? 381 00:31:47,997 --> 00:31:51,615 Do you use hair spray? Do you use artificial sweeteners? 382 00:31:51,709 --> 00:31:55,789 Smoke cigarettes? Drink diet soda? Use tampons? 383 00:31:55,879 --> 00:31:57,788 Are your clothes ever dry-cleaned? 384 00:31:57,881 --> 00:32:01,166 Do you have silver fillings in your teeth? 385 00:32:03,136 --> 00:32:08,212 You knew when you moved to Woburn that its water didn't taste good? 386 00:32:08,307 --> 00:32:12,434 Yeah, but lots of places the water doesn't taste so good. 387 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:14,428 I agree with that. 388 00:32:14,521 --> 00:32:16,976 Did you ever consider using bottled water? 389 00:32:17,064 --> 00:32:21,144 We used bottled water off and on, split half and half. 390 00:32:21,235 --> 00:32:25,184 Like...we cooked with regular water - tap water. 391 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,316 We did other things, like make orange juice. 392 00:32:28,408 --> 00:32:31,077 But to...drink just straight water, we drank bottled water. 393 00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:37,913 Has a doctor ever said that you have any immune system dysfunction? 394 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,871 No. But when my son died, they told us that was why he died. 395 00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:46,501 His immune system was... 396 00:32:47,591 --> 00:32:49,631 tore down to nothing. 397 00:32:55,265 --> 00:32:59,393 - Why did you have an autopsy? - Because he was doing good. 398 00:32:59,393 --> 00:33:03,022 He only lived three months with leukemia 399 00:33:03,022 --> 00:33:05,061 and he looked fine. 400 00:33:05,148 --> 00:33:08,315 Did you talk to the doctor about this? 401 00:33:08,401 --> 00:33:12,399 I had more like a violent talk with him. 402 00:33:14,073 --> 00:33:18,118 - "Violent"? You were angry? - Yelling at him. 403 00:33:18,118 --> 00:33:22,246 Your son seemed to be doing all right. He was in remission? 404 00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:24,619 You were optimistic about his future 405 00:33:24,707 --> 00:33:27,624 and suddenly he became ill and died. 406 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:30,248 And they said that was expected - 407 00:33:30,337 --> 00:33:34,880 that anybody with a disease like leukemia could die any minute. 408 00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:40,928 - But you were angry and upset. - My son just died. 409 00:33:41,013 --> 00:33:45,722 I understand, I'm just trying to recreate the event. 410 00:33:45,809 --> 00:33:49,758 You know when your child isn't well. 411 00:33:49,854 --> 00:33:52,310 You try to explain on the phone 412 00:33:52,398 --> 00:33:55,019 and they say, "Has he got a temperature?" 413 00:33:55,109 --> 00:33:58,026 You say, "No." "He's all right, then," they say. 414 00:33:58,112 --> 00:34:01,397 "Don't worry - bring him into the clinic Monday." 415 00:34:03,199 --> 00:34:05,607 He died Monday morning. 416 00:34:07,578 --> 00:34:10,532 He was in the clinic when he died? 417 00:34:10,623 --> 00:34:12,200 No. 418 00:34:13,292 --> 00:34:17,241 He was in the car on the way. 419 00:34:26,845 --> 00:34:29,715 He died in the car on the way to the clinic? 420 00:34:29,806 --> 00:34:34,882 He died on l-93, up by the Somerville exit. 421 00:34:43,235 --> 00:34:47,447 My wife was yelling that he'd stopped breathing. 422 00:34:47,447 --> 00:34:52,274 I pulled over and tried to give him CPR. 423 00:34:54,286 --> 00:34:59,197 I was holding him in my lap. 424 00:35:01,959 --> 00:35:03,999 Lauren was... 425 00:35:05,087 --> 00:35:06,711 screaming. 426 00:35:09,091 --> 00:35:13,040 Cars and trucks rushing by. 427 00:35:16,347 --> 00:35:18,386 And... 428 00:35:19,475 --> 00:35:21,800 she helped... 429 00:35:25,230 --> 00:35:27,269 I'm sorry. 430 00:35:28,358 --> 00:35:30,397 It's all right. 431 00:35:33,529 --> 00:35:35,438 It's OK. 432 00:35:55,632 --> 00:35:57,707 These people can never testify. 433 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,627 No. 434 00:36:34,874 --> 00:36:39,002 We'll have the first seven monitor wells in this area, 435 00:36:39,086 --> 00:36:41,079 in the permeable rock here. 436 00:36:41,172 --> 00:36:42,879 All right. There's seven? 437 00:36:42,965 --> 00:36:44,957 Yes. I did say only seven. 438 00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:47,719 Now we'll probably have 12, because... 439 00:36:47,802 --> 00:36:50,637 Hey! Hey! 440 00:36:53,557 --> 00:36:56,428 - Private property. - Yes, your property. 441 00:36:56,518 --> 00:36:58,677 My property and you're trespassing. 442 00:36:58,770 --> 00:37:00,928 - Here. - What the fuck is this? 443 00:37:01,022 --> 00:37:05,684 That's a court order, Mr Riley, giving me the right to be here, 444 00:37:05,776 --> 00:37:09,227 and to inspect every inch of your tannery, too. 445 00:37:09,321 --> 00:37:11,693 No, keep that. That's your copy. 446 00:37:14,701 --> 00:37:16,325 Let's go. 447 00:37:25,169 --> 00:37:29,964 I started working when I was seven years old, 448 00:37:29,964 --> 00:37:32,751 sweeping the beam house floors for my father, 449 00:37:32,842 --> 00:37:37,550 which he swept for his father when he was seven years old. 450 00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,592 - Which my boys... - I know. They swept it, too. 451 00:37:41,683 --> 00:37:46,594 Please answer the question I asked. Silicone and trichloroethylene. 452 00:37:46,687 --> 00:37:48,514 These two chemicals mixed together 453 00:37:48,606 --> 00:37:51,772 are used to waterproof leather, are they not? 454 00:37:53,318 --> 00:37:56,936 I asked you a question, Mr Riley - again. 455 00:38:00,116 --> 00:38:03,899 Please inform your client that he's obligated to answer my question. 456 00:38:15,421 --> 00:38:18,090 Let the record show that the witness 457 00:38:18,173 --> 00:38:21,459 emptied a glass of water on my conference table. 458 00:38:21,551 --> 00:38:27,174 What exactly do you intend to say to me by pouring water on my table? 459 00:38:27,265 --> 00:38:30,965 It's how silicone is used to waterproof leather. 460 00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:32,886 I'm answering your question. 461 00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:37,972 It's poured on, like you poured water on my table. 462 00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:39,857 Yeah. Correct. 463 00:38:39,943 --> 00:38:42,979 So some of it must spill off the leather, 464 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:45,442 Like the water spilling off my table... 465 00:38:45,531 --> 00:38:47,903 and onto my rug. 466 00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:50,984 That's the part I'm interested in. 467 00:38:52,745 --> 00:38:55,948 The spilled silicone and trichloroethylene, sir, 468 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,079 how you disposed of that. 469 00:38:59,168 --> 00:39:03,794 - I never once used TCE. - TCE? Did I say TCE? 470 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,252 I didn't say TCE. 471 00:39:06,341 --> 00:39:08,629 I said trichloroethylene. 472 00:39:12,221 --> 00:39:14,130 You said TCE - 473 00:39:14,223 --> 00:39:17,425 as it is commonly known... 474 00:39:17,517 --> 00:39:20,138 to those who know it. 475 00:39:21,312 --> 00:39:25,012 Mr Riley, would you mind if I checked your statements today 476 00:39:25,107 --> 00:39:28,642 against your records - invoices, purchase orders and formulas? 477 00:39:28,735 --> 00:39:34,405 No. Be my guest. They go back...three years. 478 00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:37,242 Everything before that, we dumped. 479 00:39:45,959 --> 00:39:50,086 - Jan, you're not listening. - You've been out there three times. 480 00:39:50,171 --> 00:39:52,709 I know why you find this unacceptable. 481 00:39:52,798 --> 00:39:56,463 But you don't know what it's like. Riley is Woburn. 482 00:39:56,552 --> 00:39:59,469 His employees are loyal subjects. They won't talk. 483 00:39:59,554 --> 00:40:02,674 Ex-employees, that's who you should be talking to. 484 00:40:02,765 --> 00:40:07,557 - Disgruntled employees, they talk. - You want me to go back there? 485 00:40:07,645 --> 00:40:12,804 This is THE case against Beatrice. He's a liar. Go back and catch him. 486 00:40:12,899 --> 00:40:16,319 - You got the medical records? - I can't... 487 00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:18,774 Just get it. 488 00:40:36,378 --> 00:40:40,078 This figure here, this 100 an hour for Dr Cohen, 489 00:40:40,173 --> 00:40:42,794 that seems fair, considering his pre-eminence. 490 00:40:42,884 --> 00:40:45,339 That's for his nights in the hotel. 491 00:40:45,428 --> 00:40:47,504 That's his discount sleeping rate. 492 00:40:49,306 --> 00:40:53,090 - Your doctors have cost 900,000. - They're worth it. 493 00:40:53,185 --> 00:40:57,396 - Your geologists over 500,000. - They're worth it. 494 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,347 The point is, everybody here is working on this case. 495 00:41:01,442 --> 00:41:05,356 There's no money coming in - just going out. 496 00:41:05,445 --> 00:41:08,018 You want to cut our losses now? 497 00:41:08,114 --> 00:41:11,649 You want to get out and throw away 900 and...what? 498 00:41:11,743 --> 00:41:13,901 1 .4 million. 499 00:41:21,626 --> 00:41:24,710 There's certain things I've got to prove 500 00:41:24,796 --> 00:41:28,924 and I can't do that not spending money. 501 00:41:28,924 --> 00:41:30,964 We have to see Uncle Pete. 502 00:41:36,056 --> 00:41:40,005 - Where are we on the last loan... - Spent it. 503 00:41:40,101 --> 00:41:43,849 - How much of it? - All of it. 504 00:41:45,314 --> 00:41:47,721 And the Carney settlement? How much... 505 00:41:47,816 --> 00:41:51,350 - Spent it. - On? 506 00:41:51,444 --> 00:41:54,314 Woburn. We spend everything on Woburn now. 507 00:41:54,405 --> 00:41:57,026 On Woburn. 508 00:41:59,535 --> 00:42:03,614 What will you need to tide you over? Two hundred? 509 00:42:03,705 --> 00:42:06,291 600,000. 510 00:42:06,291 --> 00:42:09,327 - 600,000? - Yeah. 511 00:42:12,171 --> 00:42:16,038 Pete, when was the last time you lost money betting on me? 512 00:42:16,133 --> 00:42:20,628 Never. I'm probably the best investment your bank ever made. 513 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:13,888 How do vampires get around on Halloween? 514 00:43:13,975 --> 00:43:16,726 - Pass. - Blood vessels. 515 00:43:57,763 --> 00:44:00,099 Let's go. 516 00:44:00,099 --> 00:44:02,969 - Bye, Dad. - See you later. Goodbye. 517 00:44:04,686 --> 00:44:06,726 Love you. 518 00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:37,919 I thought about seeing you for a long time. 519 00:44:39,091 --> 00:44:44,547 I was afraid to 'cause...l didn't think you'd want to talk to me, 520 00:44:44,638 --> 00:44:47,757 'cause of where I work and everything. 521 00:44:50,351 --> 00:44:53,802 I'm concerned about what's been happening around here and... 522 00:44:53,896 --> 00:44:57,478 I'm angry at the way the company's handling itself. 523 00:45:08,451 --> 00:45:11,072 I'm very sorry about your son. 524 00:45:30,845 --> 00:45:32,885 Thank you. 525 00:45:40,103 --> 00:45:42,724 He said he never dumped anything, 526 00:45:42,814 --> 00:45:46,681 never did anything like that, never saw anybody who did. 527 00:45:46,776 --> 00:45:50,903 Tommy Barbas lied. So did Paul Shalline. 528 00:45:50,988 --> 00:45:54,570 Tommy, Paul and Joey were out back all the time... 529 00:45:54,658 --> 00:45:57,528 - Joey? - Joey Miola, plant maintenance. 530 00:45:57,619 --> 00:46:01,070 And the rumor is, there's 50 more barrels buried 531 00:46:01,164 --> 00:46:03,203 that the inspectors didn't find. 532 00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:06,955 - 50? - Or more. Here. 533 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,039 OK. Is there anyone else at the plant that might talk to me? 534 00:46:15,134 --> 00:46:16,925 I don't think so. 535 00:46:17,011 --> 00:46:18,884 Bobby Pasqueriella. 536 00:46:18,971 --> 00:46:20,595 Bobby? 537 00:46:22,516 --> 00:46:25,302 He might. He doesn't work there any more though. 538 00:46:25,393 --> 00:46:26,389 Could you call him? 539 00:46:28,062 --> 00:46:30,767 Yeah, that's the stuff got dumped. 540 00:46:30,856 --> 00:46:35,897 All the time. Threw it back there myself all the time. 541 00:46:37,988 --> 00:46:41,356 Eddie Arsine - he'd say, dump that stuff in the gully. 542 00:46:41,449 --> 00:46:44,118 Out there in the gully, you know? 543 00:46:44,201 --> 00:46:47,237 Dumped it back there in the gully right there. 544 00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:51,658 Washed belts and gearboxes with it, and threw it in the gully. 545 00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:55,581 He'd say, dump it out in the gully, like Joey. 546 00:46:55,670 --> 00:47:00,664 - Did Tom Barbas? - Tommy? No, not Tommy, no. 547 00:47:00,758 --> 00:47:03,711 - Never did that? - No, no. 548 00:47:03,802 --> 00:47:05,841 He dumped his in a ditch. 549 00:47:12,726 --> 00:47:17,388 Mr Barbas, I understand you've had a chance to think about things 550 00:47:17,481 --> 00:47:19,438 since your first deposition. 551 00:47:19,524 --> 00:47:23,356 He says you said to pour it into the pit. 552 00:47:23,444 --> 00:47:26,564 Is that how you remember it now? 553 00:47:26,655 --> 00:47:30,949 He just said, go out and dig a trench...30 feet long. 554 00:47:31,034 --> 00:47:33,073 Load the barrels onto the truck, 555 00:47:33,161 --> 00:47:36,446 drive out and dump it into the swimming pool. 556 00:47:36,539 --> 00:47:40,323 That's what we called it - the swimming pool. 557 00:47:43,337 --> 00:47:44,332 Right. 558 00:47:56,473 --> 00:47:58,762 Mr Cheeseman, well done. 559 00:47:59,976 --> 00:48:03,594 The odds of a plaintiff's lawyer winning in court 560 00:48:03,688 --> 00:48:05,431 are 2 to 1 against. 561 00:48:05,523 --> 00:48:07,811 Think about that for a second. 562 00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:12,277 Your odds of surviving a game of Russian roulette are better. 563 00:48:12,362 --> 00:48:14,401 12 times better. 564 00:48:14,489 --> 00:48:16,777 So why does anyone do it? 565 00:48:16,866 --> 00:48:18,905 They don't. They settle. 566 00:48:18,993 --> 00:48:23,204 Out of the 780,000 cases filed each year, 567 00:48:27,959 --> 00:48:30,580 The whole idea of lawsuits is to settle, 568 00:48:30,670 --> 00:48:32,958 to compel the other side to settle. 569 00:48:33,047 --> 00:48:36,747 You do that by spending more money than you should, 570 00:48:36,842 --> 00:48:40,211 forcing them to spend more money than they should. 571 00:48:40,303 --> 00:48:43,681 And whoever comes to their senses first... 572 00:48:43,681 --> 00:48:45,674 loses. 573 00:48:45,767 --> 00:48:48,969 Trials are a corruption of the entire process. 574 00:48:49,061 --> 00:48:53,722 And only fools with something to prove end up ensnared in them. 575 00:48:53,815 --> 00:48:58,358 When I say prove, I don't mean about the case. 576 00:48:59,445 --> 00:49:01,272 I mean about themselves. 577 00:49:01,364 --> 00:49:03,937 Hey, old man, out of the way! 578 00:49:09,537 --> 00:49:12,289 - How's business? - It's good. 579 00:49:12,373 --> 00:49:16,620 Is it? I was afraid, with all these scientists and doctors, 580 00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:19,545 a small firm like yours might be in trouble. 581 00:49:19,630 --> 00:49:22,085 I appreciate your concern. 582 00:49:22,173 --> 00:49:24,843 We've got more than enough to go the distance. 583 00:49:24,926 --> 00:49:28,793 Are you sure? lf you realized you miscalculated the arithmetic, 584 00:49:28,888 --> 00:49:32,387 you'd be digging quarters out the seats of your car. 585 00:49:32,474 --> 00:49:37,599 - You don't have to worry, Jerry. - That's a relief. 586 00:49:37,687 --> 00:49:43,191 You know what? You don't want me in this case. You've got Grace. 587 00:49:43,275 --> 00:49:47,023 I'm only gonna hurt you. So get rid of me. 588 00:49:47,112 --> 00:49:51,939 Tell me what you've got so far, I'll get a cheque cut - OK? 589 00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:58,156 My expenses? You're offering to cover my expenses? 590 00:49:58,247 --> 00:50:00,619 Your expenses and your pride. 591 00:50:02,751 --> 00:50:06,369 You think you're gonna put those families on the stand. 592 00:50:06,462 --> 00:50:08,714 They'll tell their stories 593 00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:12,628 so the jury pull out their handkerchiefs? 594 00:50:12,718 --> 00:50:17,472 Do you really think I'd let that happen? 595 00:50:17,472 --> 00:50:20,971 I don't see how you can prevent it. 596 00:50:21,059 --> 00:50:24,178 Of course you don't. 597 00:50:39,491 --> 00:50:41,982 - Yeah? - Jan, guess what? 598 00:50:42,077 --> 00:50:46,240 Cheeseman wants to talk. He wants a number. He wants out. 599 00:50:46,331 --> 00:50:50,209 I'll meet you back here at the office. 600 00:50:50,209 --> 00:50:53,874 Jan, this is it. We've got them. 601 00:50:53,962 --> 00:50:56,002 That's great. 602 00:51:23,822 --> 00:51:25,861 Oh, baby. God, no! 603 00:51:44,674 --> 00:51:47,508 Oh, God! 604 00:52:06,234 --> 00:52:08,143 He said he'd be here. 605 00:52:08,236 --> 00:52:11,071 Are the Red Sox in town? 606 00:52:15,117 --> 00:52:18,533 Sorry I'm late. I got tied up. Yeah. 607 00:52:19,621 --> 00:52:23,665 I was just given a chair at Harvard, of all things. 608 00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:25,327 You're kidding. Which chair? 609 00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:31,333 It's black with arms, with my name on a brass plate on the back. 610 00:52:31,423 --> 00:52:33,462 From my students. 611 00:52:34,384 --> 00:52:37,883 Jerry, ever thought about getting yourself a new briefcase? 612 00:52:37,971 --> 00:52:42,299 You don't change your socks in the middle of the World Series. 613 00:52:45,435 --> 00:52:47,760 Am I sitting in the right place? 614 00:52:47,854 --> 00:52:51,934 Actually, we have a seat for you here, but that's fine. 615 00:52:57,905 --> 00:52:59,731 Nice pen. 616 00:52:59,823 --> 00:53:03,867 - They're courtesy of the hotel. - Really? 617 00:53:03,952 --> 00:53:07,486 This is a good quality pen. Yeah. 618 00:53:10,374 --> 00:53:14,241 - So? - So, Bill... 619 00:53:16,379 --> 00:53:18,952 How much did Grace make last year? 620 00:53:19,048 --> 00:53:23,092 I have no idea. But I have a feeling you do. 621 00:53:23,177 --> 00:53:27,008 198 million. And Beatrice, Jerry? 622 00:53:27,097 --> 00:53:30,929 - What? - 436 million. 623 00:53:31,017 --> 00:53:35,928 Together, that's 634 million. That's one year. That's net. 624 00:53:37,148 --> 00:53:39,436 So, that's what they made. 625 00:53:39,525 --> 00:53:43,392 What should they be made to pay to compensate the families, 626 00:53:43,486 --> 00:53:46,606 to provide for their economic security in the future? 627 00:53:46,698 --> 00:53:51,193 Don't forget to mention you - compensating you. 628 00:53:52,619 --> 00:53:56,368 And to make sure that this doesn't happen again. 629 00:53:57,499 --> 00:53:59,538 25 million cash. 630 00:54:07,049 --> 00:54:10,583 And another 25 million to establish a research foundation 631 00:54:10,677 --> 00:54:14,923 to study the links between hazardous waste and illness. 632 00:54:20,019 --> 00:54:23,719 And 1 .5 million per family annually for 30 years. 633 00:54:50,045 --> 00:54:52,962 320 million. 634 00:54:56,717 --> 00:54:58,591 Can I ask a question? 635 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,969 I'm sure everyone has questions. What's yours, Jerry? 636 00:55:03,307 --> 00:55:05,133 Can I have this? 637 00:55:09,354 --> 00:55:10,764 Thank you. 638 00:55:14,149 --> 00:55:15,976 Excuse me. 639 00:55:38,838 --> 00:55:42,502 - Jan? - Yes, Gordon? 640 00:55:42,591 --> 00:55:45,212 What's the story? 641 00:55:45,302 --> 00:55:49,169 - They don't want to end this. - They don't... 642 00:55:49,264 --> 00:55:54,602 You said this wouldn't go to trial. You just made certain that it will. 643 00:55:54,685 --> 00:55:57,010 Without consulting us, I might add. 644 00:55:57,688 --> 00:55:59,727 They patronize us. 645 00:56:01,191 --> 00:56:03,100 They think we're blackmailers. 646 00:56:06,153 --> 00:56:08,276 They think they can buy us. 647 00:56:10,449 --> 00:56:12,406 Yeah? 648 00:56:13,535 --> 00:56:15,611 We can't afford a long trial. 649 00:56:15,703 --> 00:56:19,037 Find a way of getting some money, then. 650 00:56:19,123 --> 00:56:24,117 - What do you suggest? - Am I the financial advisor? 651 00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:26,831 No, you're not. 652 00:56:30,675 --> 00:56:34,257 This is the plan. Start with scientific evidence. 653 00:56:34,345 --> 00:56:36,966 Then the medical experts and their evidence. 654 00:56:37,056 --> 00:56:39,546 Then the parents, then your testimony. 655 00:56:39,641 --> 00:56:41,717 Your presence is very important. 656 00:56:41,810 --> 00:56:44,763 It's where the jury gets to know you. 657 00:56:44,854 --> 00:56:50,440 If you're only there some days, they'll ask "why? Does she care?" 658 00:56:50,526 --> 00:56:54,605 I'll be there every day, in the back left-hand corner. 659 00:56:54,696 --> 00:56:56,735 Wherever you're comfortable. 660 00:56:56,823 --> 00:56:59,492 That was our plan. 661 00:56:59,575 --> 00:57:04,913 If we got separated in the grocery store that's where we'd meet. 662 00:57:04,997 --> 00:57:06,823 Oh, I see, I see. 663 00:57:10,668 --> 00:57:13,040 In the end, when he was dying, 664 00:57:13,129 --> 00:57:18,289 he said, I'll meet you in the back left-hand corner of heaven. 665 00:57:29,602 --> 00:57:33,433 All rise. This court is now in session. 666 00:57:33,522 --> 00:57:36,641 The Honorable Walter J Skinner presiding. 667 00:57:36,733 --> 00:57:39,484 Civil Action 841672. 668 00:57:39,569 --> 00:57:44,396 Anderson and all versus W.R. Grace and Beatrice Foods. 669 00:57:51,287 --> 00:57:54,374 Ladies and gentlemen... 670 00:57:54,374 --> 00:57:58,205 there's a small town north of Boston called Woburn. 671 00:57:58,294 --> 00:58:01,876 Woburn is like many small towns. 672 00:58:01,964 --> 00:58:07,123 It has homes, it has churches, it has schools, it has industry. 673 00:58:07,218 --> 00:58:10,219 But Woburn has something else. 674 00:58:10,304 --> 00:58:15,760 It has more than its share of sickness and death. 675 00:58:15,851 --> 00:58:19,599 Small amounts of solvents were left on the ground. 676 00:58:19,687 --> 00:58:22,398 Why? To evaporate. 677 00:58:22,398 --> 00:58:24,474 Did they? Yes. 678 00:58:24,567 --> 00:58:30,770 These chemicals never reached Wells G and H - we will show that. 679 00:58:30,864 --> 00:58:34,813 And they never made anyone sick. We will show that, too. 680 00:58:34,909 --> 00:58:39,286 The idea of criminal court is crime and punishment. 681 00:58:39,371 --> 00:58:43,499 The idea of civil court and personal injury law by nature - 682 00:58:43,583 --> 00:58:45,669 though no-one says it, 683 00:58:45,669 --> 00:58:49,500 least of all the personal injury lawyer himself - 684 00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:51,507 is money. 685 00:58:51,507 --> 00:58:53,998 Money for suffering. Money for death. 686 00:58:54,093 --> 00:58:57,010 As if that could somehow relieve suffering. 687 00:58:57,095 --> 00:59:01,555 As if that could somehow bring dead children back to life. 688 00:59:02,892 --> 00:59:07,020 Every credit card application we send, we get more in the mail. 689 00:59:07,104 --> 00:59:12,976 Here's one from North Dakota. Fill it out. Fill them all out. 690 00:59:13,068 --> 00:59:15,689 It's the last great pyramid scheme. 691 00:59:15,778 --> 00:59:20,741 The terrain of East Woburn was actually shaped 12,000 years ago, 692 00:59:20,741 --> 00:59:23,695 during the end of the last ice Age. 693 00:59:23,785 --> 00:59:27,247 At this time, an immense glacier, over a mile thick, 694 00:59:27,247 --> 00:59:30,034 covered what is now New England. 695 00:59:30,124 --> 00:59:34,074 Cancel The American Lawyer. Cancel all the legal journals. 696 00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:38,083 And tell the janitorial people they're no longer required. 697 00:59:38,173 --> 00:59:40,249 We'll empty our own ashtrays. 698 00:59:40,342 --> 00:59:44,339 To understand what's going on in the ground water system, 699 00:59:44,429 --> 00:59:48,640 we must start with the soil itself. These are soil samples... 700 00:59:48,724 --> 00:59:50,966 So you see, the Aberjona River valley... 701 00:59:51,059 --> 00:59:54,926 I...l can't send you the entire balance right now. 702 00:59:55,021 --> 00:59:59,149 But perhaps we could work out some sort of a deal. 703 01:00:00,234 --> 01:00:03,188 How much can I send you right now? 704 01:00:03,278 --> 01:00:05,105 Nothing. 705 01:00:05,197 --> 01:00:08,731 A plaintiff's case depends on momentum. 706 01:00:08,825 --> 01:00:13,071 The fewer objections he gets, the better his case will go. 707 01:00:13,162 --> 01:00:15,735 So whenever you can, you should object. 708 01:00:15,831 --> 01:00:18,832 18 times yesterday, 20 today. 709 01:00:18,917 --> 01:00:21,159 They're not even his witnesses, they're his. 710 01:00:21,253 --> 01:00:25,380 I can't not object when you phrase questions improperly. 711 01:00:25,465 --> 01:00:27,089 As a craftsman... 712 01:00:27,174 --> 01:00:31,385 He is deliberately trying to destroy the rhythm of my case. 713 01:00:32,721 --> 01:00:37,133 Here we are. You must have some good luck on these. 714 01:00:37,225 --> 01:00:40,925 - Hold on. 17, 17, 17. - You got a winner? 715 01:00:41,020 --> 01:00:42,479 No! Shoot. 716 01:00:42,563 --> 01:00:46,014 Relevance - objection. Hearsay - objection. 717 01:00:46,108 --> 01:00:50,105 Best evidence - objection. Authenticity... 718 01:00:50,195 --> 01:00:51,570 Objection. 719 01:00:51,654 --> 01:00:56,861 If you fall asleep, the first thing you say when you wake up is... 720 01:01:00,996 --> 01:01:02,656 Objection. 721 01:01:03,998 --> 01:01:08,459 Do you swear to tell the whole truth, so help you God? 722 01:01:08,544 --> 01:01:10,086 Yes. 723 01:01:10,171 --> 01:01:14,547 Good morning, Mr Riley. Would you care for a glass of water? 724 01:01:16,009 --> 01:01:17,883 No, thank you. 725 01:01:19,345 --> 01:01:20,839 Are you sure? 726 01:01:22,098 --> 01:01:26,558 The single greatest liability for a lawyer is pride. 727 01:01:26,643 --> 01:01:28,517 Pride... 728 01:01:28,603 --> 01:01:32,766 pride has lost more cases than lousy evidence, 729 01:01:32,857 --> 01:01:36,023 idiot witnesses and a hanging judge put together. 730 01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:40,522 There is absolutely no place in a courtroom for pride. 731 01:01:40,614 --> 01:01:45,275 Mr Riley, you own the property referred to here as the 15 acres? 732 01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:49,068 No, it's currently owned by a non-profit corporation 733 01:01:49,163 --> 01:01:51,202 called The Wildwood Conservancy. 734 01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:54,540 Oh, yes. What is that? The Wildwood Conservancy. 735 01:01:54,626 --> 01:01:57,662 - Is that a conservation group? - Yes, sir. 736 01:01:57,754 --> 01:02:02,297 I've donated the land as a sanctuary for indigent wildlife. 737 01:02:04,635 --> 01:02:09,047 I don't think the indigent wildlife has heard about this, Mr Riley. 738 01:02:09,139 --> 01:02:14,014 I've been there several times and haven't seen any living thing. 739 01:02:14,102 --> 01:02:18,644 He says no, no, no. He says yes once, I've got him. 740 01:02:18,731 --> 01:02:20,770 He's not that stupid. 741 01:02:20,858 --> 01:02:25,318 Keep him there long enough, he'll figure a way to get you. 742 01:02:25,403 --> 01:02:27,194 I'm not that stupid. 743 01:02:31,992 --> 01:02:34,566 Mr Riley, experts have testified in this court 744 01:02:34,661 --> 01:02:36,784 that your land, your 15 acres, 745 01:02:36,872 --> 01:02:40,240 is the most grotesquely polluted land in New England. 746 01:02:40,333 --> 01:02:42,788 You have no idea how that happened? 747 01:02:42,877 --> 01:02:47,040 - No, sir. - Does it upset you to learn this? 748 01:02:47,131 --> 01:02:50,879 - Very much so. - Really? Why? 749 01:02:53,053 --> 01:02:55,543 And one last thing, 750 01:02:55,638 --> 01:02:58,555 unless you know exactly what the answer is, 751 01:02:58,641 --> 01:03:02,175 never, ever ask a witness "why". 752 01:03:02,269 --> 01:03:03,893 Never. 753 01:03:07,732 --> 01:03:11,183 My factory is the oldest surviving business in Woburn. 754 01:03:11,277 --> 01:03:14,646 When the other tanners moved out, I stayed, 755 01:03:14,738 --> 01:03:18,107 even though that was a very big financial burden. 756 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,737 - That's not... - Woburn is my home... 757 01:03:20,827 --> 01:03:22,451 That's not the question. 758 01:03:22,537 --> 01:03:27,163 He's trying to answer it, Mr Schlichtmann. Let him. 759 01:03:36,007 --> 01:03:40,752 That land has been in my family for three generations. 760 01:03:41,887 --> 01:03:44,804 That land to me is hallowed ground. 761 01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:49,717 So when you ask me would I be upset 762 01:03:49,811 --> 01:03:52,355 if someone desecrated it - 763 01:03:52,355 --> 01:03:56,352 land that's part of the town that I love - 764 01:03:56,442 --> 01:03:59,857 my answer to your question, Mr Schlichtmann... 765 01:04:03,323 --> 01:04:05,232 is yes. 766 01:04:22,464 --> 01:04:25,382 I have no further questions, Your Honor. 767 01:04:29,346 --> 01:04:34,386 The sad part is, they rob themselves of the blessing of giving. 768 01:04:34,475 --> 01:04:40,145 If somebody wrote a cheque for the total budget of my church, 769 01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:44,097 it wouldn't affect my giving. 770 01:04:44,192 --> 01:04:48,023 Ain't nobody gonna rob me of the blessing of giving! 771 01:04:48,112 --> 01:04:52,109 You know why folks ain't getting? 'Cause they ain't giving! 772 01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:57,026 Do not rob yourself of the blessing of giving. 773 01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,616 You'll never guess what I did last night. You'll like this. 774 01:05:01,707 --> 01:05:06,036 I pledged 200 to a televangelist. I'm not kidding. 775 01:05:06,128 --> 01:05:09,247 He said, "Give and ye shall receive." 776 01:05:09,339 --> 01:05:12,008 I know. I know what you're thinking. 777 01:05:12,091 --> 01:05:16,302 You're thinking, Gordon's losing it. He's falling apart. 778 01:05:16,387 --> 01:05:19,471 He's probably buying lottery tickets. 779 01:05:20,849 --> 01:05:23,470 I bought a few. I'll admit it. 780 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,260 I know, but seriously, the jackpot's 45 million. 781 01:05:27,355 --> 01:05:31,222 That's just this week! You should see the lines out there. 782 01:05:34,152 --> 01:05:38,613 - Is that a gun? - What? 783 01:05:41,784 --> 01:05:45,532 This? No. No, this is for you. 784 01:05:49,249 --> 01:05:52,084 My Krugerrands. I've had them forever. 785 01:05:53,545 --> 01:05:55,786 I want you to have them. 786 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,747 And this is the deed to my house. 787 01:05:59,842 --> 01:06:03,542 Here is Conway's and Crowley's and Jan's. 788 01:06:03,637 --> 01:06:05,962 See, I've come bearing gifts. 789 01:06:11,227 --> 01:06:13,266 We really need the money. 790 01:06:19,275 --> 01:06:22,146 You can tell your child isn't well. 791 01:06:22,236 --> 01:06:26,862 "Has he got a temperature?" "No." "He's all right, then", they say. 792 01:06:26,949 --> 01:06:33,117 "Bring him to the clinic Monday." He died Monday morning. 793 01:06:33,204 --> 01:06:35,244 Start with Jimmy Anderson - 794 01:06:35,331 --> 01:06:38,949 countless trips to hospital, futile chemotherapy treatments. 795 01:06:39,043 --> 01:06:44,381 Then the others, ending with Jared Aufiero, dying on the highway. 796 01:06:44,506 --> 01:06:47,507 Could somebody get that? 797 01:06:51,345 --> 01:06:53,053 Where is everybody? 798 01:06:53,139 --> 01:06:58,014 You're just noticing now? Gordon laid everybody off two weeks ago. 799 01:06:58,101 --> 01:07:02,105 Gordon, instead of sitting there reading a magazine, 800 01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:05,723 why not go to Uncle Pete and get me a staff? 801 01:07:05,816 --> 01:07:08,900 Good idea. Why didn't I think of that? 802 01:07:13,198 --> 01:07:14,608 Hello? 803 01:07:26,918 --> 01:07:29,670 There was a Cheeseman on the Mayflower. 804 01:07:29,754 --> 01:07:32,375 - This way, sir. - Thank you. 805 01:07:32,465 --> 01:07:34,338 Jan, have a seat. 806 01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:37,591 You want something to drink? Some coffee? Soda? 807 01:07:37,678 --> 01:07:40,133 You've been talking without me present? 808 01:07:40,222 --> 01:07:44,266 No, we have been drinking coffee without your being present. 809 01:07:44,350 --> 01:07:47,019 Don't be so paranoid. They were early. 810 01:07:49,855 --> 01:07:53,354 - All right. What's up? - Jerry? 811 01:07:53,442 --> 01:07:56,478 Last night, I was at a ball game. 812 01:07:56,569 --> 01:08:00,436 It was the seventh innings and I was standing there, 813 01:08:00,531 --> 01:08:04,065 and it occurred to me at that moment, 814 01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,907 unless you've proven that any... What word should we use? 815 01:08:07,996 --> 01:08:09,905 - Chemicals? - Poisons. 816 01:08:09,998 --> 01:08:13,034 If you like that word, I'll use it. 817 01:08:13,125 --> 01:08:18,464 Unless you've proven that poisons reached the wells, there's no case. 818 01:08:18,547 --> 01:08:22,461 And therefore, no need to make these families, 819 01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:24,424 who've already suffered so much, 820 01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:28,128 relive their suffering all over again 821 01:08:28,222 --> 01:08:31,638 by putting them on the stand. 822 01:08:32,976 --> 01:08:36,096 - Your Honor, you've... - That's interesting. 823 01:08:36,187 --> 01:08:39,354 - What? - I'd have to agree with that. 824 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,065 Your Honor, the... 825 01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:45,278 If the jury decides favorably on the geological evidence, 826 01:08:45,362 --> 01:08:47,935 you could bring your families in. 827 01:08:48,031 --> 01:08:51,316 Your Honor, the jury was expecting a human drama. 828 01:08:51,409 --> 01:08:54,612 For three months they've had lessons in geology. 829 01:08:54,704 --> 01:08:58,072 We had to do that. Now it's over - finally. 830 01:08:58,165 --> 01:09:02,245 Now we have to see where we are before moving on, 831 01:09:02,335 --> 01:09:05,669 and subjecting these families to more trauma than necessary, 832 01:09:05,755 --> 01:09:07,878 because that would just be cruel. 833 01:09:07,965 --> 01:09:11,583 - They want to testify. - The decision is made. 834 01:09:11,677 --> 01:09:14,631 - It's the defendant's plan. - It's my plan. 835 01:09:14,721 --> 01:09:17,129 Right from the beginning, he threatened... 836 01:09:17,223 --> 01:09:19,465 It's MY plan! 837 01:09:27,733 --> 01:09:29,310 Now... 838 01:09:30,193 --> 01:09:36,195 my plan is to present the jury with some simple questions. 839 01:09:37,575 --> 01:09:40,279 How you answer these three questions, 840 01:09:40,369 --> 01:09:43,120 will determine whether this trial continues. 841 01:09:44,623 --> 01:09:47,292 I don't disagree - I don't understand them. 842 01:09:47,375 --> 01:09:50,044 What don't you understand? They're straightforward questions. 843 01:09:50,127 --> 01:09:53,792 Have the plaintiffs established, by preponderance of evidence, 844 01:09:53,881 --> 01:09:59,005 that chemicals containing TCE were disposed of on these lands 845 01:09:59,094 --> 01:10:05,926 after October 1 , 1964 and August 27, 1968, respectively, 846 01:10:06,016 --> 01:10:09,349 and did those chemicals contribute to the well water contamination? 847 01:10:09,436 --> 01:10:14,062 What were these dates? Where are they from? Out of a hat? 848 01:10:14,148 --> 01:10:15,892 Question two. 849 01:10:15,983 --> 01:10:19,482 What, according to a preponderance of the evidence, 850 01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:23,021 was the earliest time at which these chemicals 851 01:10:23,115 --> 01:10:26,530 substantially contributed to the wells' contamination? 852 01:10:26,618 --> 01:10:28,242 How can they determine that? 853 01:10:28,328 --> 01:10:31,992 Science can't even determine when the chemicals arrived 854 01:10:32,081 --> 01:10:35,331 with the precision that you're asking of the jurors. 855 01:10:35,417 --> 01:10:37,208 And finally, three. 856 01:10:37,294 --> 01:10:39,915 What, according to a preponderance of the evidence, 857 01:10:40,005 --> 01:10:43,005 was the earliest time - again, month and year - 858 01:10:43,091 --> 01:10:46,127 at which substantial contribution referred to in question two 859 01:10:46,218 --> 01:10:48,507 was caused, if it was, 860 01:10:48,595 --> 01:10:52,094 by the negligent conduct of the defendants? 861 01:10:52,182 --> 01:10:55,467 It's like English translated into Japanese back into English again. 862 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,018 I've heard enough. 863 01:10:57,103 --> 01:11:00,187 Your Honor, no one can answer these. 864 01:11:00,272 --> 01:11:02,728 You're asking for answers that are unknowable. 865 01:11:02,816 --> 01:11:04,275 I've heard enough. 866 01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:08,107 You're asking for a fiction that stands for truth, but isn't. 867 01:11:08,196 --> 01:11:09,192 Enough! 868 01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:16,444 Once again, I remind you not to discuss your views outside, 869 01:11:16,537 --> 01:11:18,909 and excuse you... 870 01:11:21,624 --> 01:11:24,708 Don't worry about it. Everything's under control. 871 01:11:25,670 --> 01:11:31,423 And excuse you to your deliberations. Thank you. 872 01:12:56,166 --> 01:12:58,460 I've never done this. 873 01:12:58,460 --> 01:13:00,452 In 45 years of practicing, 874 01:13:00,545 --> 01:13:03,996 I've never waited in a corridor for a jury. 875 01:13:04,089 --> 01:13:07,043 - I always do. - I can tell. 876 01:13:07,134 --> 01:13:09,970 You're good at it. 877 01:13:09,970 --> 01:13:12,341 You seem so at peace doing it. 878 01:13:17,184 --> 01:13:21,264 What do you think? ls it good they're out this long? 879 01:13:21,355 --> 01:13:24,521 - For who? - For me, of course. 880 01:13:26,818 --> 01:13:30,103 You can never tell. It could mean anything. 881 01:13:30,196 --> 01:13:34,572 It could mean jury duty's more fun than working at the post office. 882 01:13:36,493 --> 01:13:40,704 - It's bad for both of you. - You think? 883 01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:44,329 Well, here's my take. 884 01:13:45,751 --> 01:13:47,909 Guilty. 885 01:13:49,046 --> 01:13:52,913 Not guilty. That's what they're going to say. 886 01:13:53,007 --> 01:13:56,376 Nothing to do with dates or ground-water measurements 887 01:13:56,469 --> 01:14:00,929 or any of that crap, which nobody understands anyway. 888 01:14:01,014 --> 01:14:04,763 It's going to come down to people, like always. 889 01:14:04,851 --> 01:14:08,635 You found someone who saw him dumping stuff. 890 01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:12,513 You didn't find anyone who saw me. 891 01:14:15,444 --> 01:14:18,610 - What's your take? - They'll see the truth. 892 01:14:18,697 --> 01:14:20,440 The truth? 893 01:14:21,741 --> 01:14:25,026 We're talking about a court of law. 894 01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:28,322 You've been around long enough to know 895 01:14:28,414 --> 01:14:31,498 courtrooms aren't where you look for the truth. 896 01:14:31,583 --> 01:14:35,711 You're lucky to find anything that even resembles the truth. 897 01:14:38,673 --> 01:14:42,919 You disagree. Well, since when? 898 01:14:44,094 --> 01:14:46,086 Eight kids are dead, Jerry. 899 01:14:48,306 --> 01:14:52,802 Jan, that suit fits you better than the sentimentality. 900 01:14:52,893 --> 01:14:56,641 That's not how you made all that money, is it? 901 01:14:56,730 --> 01:15:01,771 It wasn't about dead children from the minute you filed the complaint. 902 01:15:01,860 --> 01:15:06,687 The minute it entered the justice system. Oh, yes. 903 01:15:11,076 --> 01:15:13,401 I know you like to gamble. 904 01:15:13,495 --> 01:15:15,950 High-stakes gambler, that's your profession. 905 01:15:16,039 --> 01:15:20,083 Why not test your faith in the righteousness of our courts 906 01:15:20,167 --> 01:15:22,740 with a high-stakes gamble? 907 01:15:26,965 --> 01:15:30,464 If that's a settlement offer, Jerry, it's not enough. 908 01:15:30,551 --> 01:15:34,002 - That's not what I hear. - Who said that? 909 01:15:34,096 --> 01:15:38,923 The IRS, telling us they have a lien on any eventual settlement 910 01:15:39,017 --> 01:15:43,180 in order to recover over 2.5 million in unpaid taxes. 911 01:15:46,315 --> 01:15:48,272 But all right... 912 01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:53,779 What if I would add six zeros onto that? 913 01:15:53,864 --> 01:15:58,858 That would be - what? - 20 million. 914 01:15:59,994 --> 01:16:03,030 Now, that would put things in perspective, wouldn't it? 915 01:16:03,122 --> 01:16:06,621 As far as truth, justice and dead children go? 916 01:16:06,708 --> 01:16:09,543 If you want to talk about a settlement, 917 01:16:09,627 --> 01:16:12,794 get the decision-makers together and talk seriously. 918 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,501 The decision-makers are here, aren't they? 919 01:16:15,591 --> 01:16:17,500 You're looking at Mr Beatrice. 920 01:16:17,593 --> 01:16:21,044 I don't have to call anybody. Do you? 921 01:16:24,599 --> 01:16:27,643 It's just you and me. 922 01:16:27,643 --> 01:16:31,475 We're like kings. We are kings. 923 01:16:32,564 --> 01:16:35,233 Sitting in our castle, deciding important things. 924 01:16:35,317 --> 01:16:37,890 Deciding the fates of others. 925 01:16:37,986 --> 01:16:41,105 And counting money. In our counting room! 926 01:16:56,627 --> 01:16:59,996 Tell you what. I'll leave this here, 927 01:17:00,088 --> 01:17:03,457 go back down the hall to my throne room 928 01:17:03,550 --> 01:17:06,219 and await your decision. 929 01:17:12,349 --> 01:17:14,805 If you really want the truth, Jan, 930 01:17:14,893 --> 01:17:20,812 Look for it where it is - at the bottom of a bottomless pit. 931 01:18:27,791 --> 01:18:31,704 Mr Foreman, members of the jury, have you reached a verdict? 932 01:18:31,794 --> 01:18:33,621 Yes, Your Honor. 933 01:18:47,433 --> 01:18:52,771 With respect to W.R. Grace, the jury has answered... 934 01:18:52,854 --> 01:18:57,432 "yes" to question one regarding trichloroethylene contamination, 935 01:18:57,525 --> 01:19:00,111 requiring the case against Grace 936 01:19:00,111 --> 01:19:02,780 to go to a second stage of this trial. 937 01:19:04,031 --> 01:19:11,195 In regard to Beatrice, the jury has answered "no" to question one 938 01:19:11,287 --> 01:19:14,656 in all its points pertaining to contamination 939 01:19:14,748 --> 01:19:18,746 which renders questions two and three inapplicable, 940 01:19:18,835 --> 01:19:20,792 ending the case against Beatrice. 941 01:19:20,879 --> 01:19:25,006 - Mr Facher, you're excused. - Thank you, Your Honor. 942 01:19:26,509 --> 01:19:33,305 We are going to take a break now, until after lunch. 943 01:19:33,390 --> 01:19:37,173 Once again, I remind you not to talk to anyone 944 01:19:37,268 --> 01:19:39,391 about your deliberations here... 945 01:19:51,906 --> 01:19:56,651 Disappointed? Not at all. This is a victory. 946 01:19:56,744 --> 01:20:01,405 This sends a message that companies can no longer get away with this. 947 01:20:01,498 --> 01:20:04,071 - So what now? - Right now? 948 01:20:04,167 --> 01:20:07,749 I think we should celebrate. What do you think? Yes? 949 01:20:07,837 --> 01:20:12,961 You'll proceed against Grace, no matter how long it takes? 950 01:20:14,509 --> 01:20:18,459 We have to get out of this case fast. 951 01:20:18,555 --> 01:20:20,594 That's our only strategy left. 952 01:20:22,099 --> 01:20:25,349 The good news is Grace wants to talk. 953 01:20:25,436 --> 01:20:29,764 They want us to see their executive vice-president, AI Eustis. 954 01:20:29,856 --> 01:20:33,474 So we need to know what our squeal point is. 955 01:20:34,569 --> 01:20:38,862 8 million. 8 million will just about get us out of hock. 956 01:20:40,490 --> 01:20:43,361 Gordon knows the numbers. 957 01:20:50,583 --> 01:20:54,710 Jan, every dollar we spend is a dollar we don't have. 958 01:20:54,795 --> 01:20:57,795 We are floating on credit without a net. 959 01:20:57,881 --> 01:21:01,925 I don't need a net. Mortgage my house. I don't care. 960 01:21:02,718 --> 01:21:08,092 I have. And Kevin's and Bill's and mine. 961 01:21:08,181 --> 01:21:13,555 I've cashed in our retirement plans and life-insurance. And it's gone. 962 01:21:13,645 --> 01:21:16,266 Let me put it this way, 963 01:21:16,355 --> 01:21:22,523 if we can't appear we've got money they won't give us 8 million. 964 01:21:22,611 --> 01:21:26,478 They won't give us eight cents. You know that. 965 01:21:26,573 --> 01:21:28,612 You all know that. 966 01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:39,330 It's our nicest suite. 967 01:21:39,417 --> 01:21:44,873 Living room, dining room, two bedrooms, a den, a lovely view. 968 01:21:44,964 --> 01:21:47,003 It's 2,400 a night. 969 01:21:49,218 --> 01:21:51,044 For our inner strength. 970 01:21:52,053 --> 01:21:55,089 - On the card. - Why not? 971 01:21:57,850 --> 01:22:00,092 Farmers' Bank of Iowa. 972 01:22:22,497 --> 01:22:23,907 Hey, there! 973 01:22:23,998 --> 01:22:26,240 - Jan Schlichtmann. - AI Eustis. 974 01:22:26,333 --> 01:22:29,453 How are you? Sorry I'm late. I got lost. 975 01:22:29,545 --> 01:22:31,667 - Got lost? - Yes. 976 01:22:31,755 --> 01:22:33,628 How did you manage that? 977 01:22:33,715 --> 01:22:35,791 I've never been here before so... 978 01:22:35,884 --> 01:22:38,754 What kind of Harvard man are you? 979 01:22:39,887 --> 01:22:42,010 The Cornell kind. 980 01:22:42,097 --> 01:22:47,767 Cornell? I thought you went to Harvard? 981 01:22:47,852 --> 01:22:53,308 I'm sure somebody said that you went to Harvard! Cornell! 982 01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:55,356 Yes. 983 01:22:55,442 --> 01:22:58,526 Well, listen, Cornell is... is a damn good school. 984 01:22:59,112 --> 01:23:02,031 Damn good. 985 01:23:02,031 --> 01:23:04,071 So what do you want? 986 01:23:05,159 --> 01:23:08,859 Well, I could take you through it step by step 987 01:23:08,954 --> 01:23:13,082 or you could take this with you and study it. 988 01:23:13,166 --> 01:23:15,075 It's a little complicated but... 989 01:23:15,168 --> 01:23:18,371 It's an unspoken rule of the Harvard Club - 990 01:23:18,463 --> 01:23:22,591 business is never transacted here. 991 01:23:22,591 --> 01:23:25,046 I meant, what do you want to drink? 992 01:23:26,595 --> 01:23:31,007 I wanted to reach across and strangle him with his tie. 993 01:23:31,099 --> 01:23:33,424 Instead, I sat there for two hours 994 01:23:33,517 --> 01:23:37,681 and listened to him talk about selling his yacht. 995 01:23:37,771 --> 01:23:43,560 You know, sometimes I actually prefer the 35-footer. 996 01:23:43,651 --> 01:23:45,976 Because I can crew it myself, 997 01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:50,732 I can be all by myself out there alone. It's magnificent. 998 01:23:50,824 --> 01:23:54,524 And there's no... Nobody can call you. Nobody can beep you. 999 01:23:54,619 --> 01:23:56,695 Nobody can fax you. 1000 01:23:56,788 --> 01:23:59,029 There's no lawsuits. 1001 01:23:59,123 --> 01:24:02,159 You know what I'm talking about. You sail? 1002 01:24:02,251 --> 01:24:05,287 - No. - You don't sail? 1003 01:24:06,672 --> 01:24:10,883 - Finally, we went to his office. - Let's sit down. 1004 01:24:10,967 --> 01:24:14,834 Come on. It's more comfortable. Have a seat. 1005 01:24:14,929 --> 01:24:18,214 He comes around the desk, he sits down. 1006 01:24:20,392 --> 01:24:21,886 Go ahead, sit down. 1007 01:24:21,977 --> 01:24:25,641 He puts his feet up on this French antique thing 1008 01:24:26,481 --> 01:24:29,849 and he tells me to put my feet up. 1009 01:24:29,942 --> 01:24:32,397 Put your feet up. Come on. 1010 01:24:32,486 --> 01:24:35,570 - No, thank you. - No, go ahead. 1011 01:24:35,655 --> 01:24:38,609 - Go ahead. - No, really, I'm fine. 1012 01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:41,903 Nothing's going to break. Put them up. 1013 01:24:41,994 --> 01:24:46,205 It was weird - all this talk about putting my feet on this table. 1014 01:24:46,290 --> 01:24:49,326 It's all right - I mean it. Try it. Come on. 1015 01:24:49,417 --> 01:24:51,244 Put your feet up. 1016 01:25:00,177 --> 01:25:06,677 There. Now, I can afford to pay you almost anything you ask. 1017 01:25:06,766 --> 01:25:09,304 It's not the money. 1018 01:25:09,393 --> 01:25:12,311 But a settlement that high says we're guilty. 1019 01:25:12,396 --> 01:25:16,559 That says to every two-bit personal injury lawyer in Boston, 1020 01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:18,856 let's sign up everyone in Woburn. 1021 01:25:18,943 --> 01:25:22,442 Creates a shark effect, and that I can't afford. 1022 01:25:22,530 --> 01:25:24,487 Give me a number. 1023 01:25:25,950 --> 01:25:28,275 I'm not negotiating with myself, Al, 1024 01:25:28,368 --> 01:25:31,737 throwing out numbers you can say no to. 1025 01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:34,403 - You give me one. - 8 million. 1026 01:25:37,460 --> 01:25:41,291 He said 8 million? 1027 01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:42,838 8 million. 1028 01:25:44,716 --> 01:25:47,385 I can't go to the families with that. 1029 01:25:47,468 --> 01:25:49,757 Wait! What? Who? What families? 1030 01:25:49,846 --> 01:25:52,597 I can't go to them empty-handed. 1031 01:25:52,681 --> 01:25:54,638 What are you talking about? 1032 01:25:54,725 --> 01:25:59,386 Since when is that empty-handed? 8 million is a lot of money! 1033 01:26:01,022 --> 01:26:03,061 I owe them more than that. 1034 01:26:03,149 --> 01:26:05,722 What do you owe them? 1035 01:26:05,818 --> 01:26:08,024 Do you owe them your career? 1036 01:26:08,112 --> 01:26:10,234 You're talking about our careers here! 1037 01:26:10,322 --> 01:26:13,572 - You owe them that? - And OUR families! 1038 01:26:13,658 --> 01:26:15,532 That's what we're talking here. 1039 01:26:15,618 --> 01:26:18,496 Our families... 1040 01:26:18,496 --> 01:26:20,535 Don't do it. 1041 01:26:23,167 --> 01:26:25,704 Don't go for broke on this one. 1042 01:26:25,794 --> 01:26:28,415 It isn't worth it, Jan. 1043 01:26:53,318 --> 01:26:57,481 Nobody calls any more? Not even the creditors. 1044 01:26:58,990 --> 01:27:00,816 Are the phones still working? 1045 01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:12,289 Schlichtmann, Conway and Crowley. 1046 01:27:15,129 --> 01:27:16,955 Just a moment, please. 1047 01:27:17,923 --> 01:27:19,500 Someone named Grendan. 1048 01:27:19,591 --> 01:27:21,251 Creditor. 1049 01:27:21,343 --> 01:27:26,004 - Are you here? - Do I look like I'm here? 1050 01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,965 He's in a meeting at the moment. 1051 01:27:30,059 --> 01:27:33,143 Do me a favor, Gordon? Shut up. 1052 01:27:35,105 --> 01:27:36,563 What? 1053 01:27:36,648 --> 01:27:40,182 I'm tired of hearing you moan about money. 1054 01:27:40,276 --> 01:27:42,434 This isn't about money any more. 1055 01:27:42,528 --> 01:27:46,276 No? What's it about? 1056 01:27:48,116 --> 01:27:49,575 What's it about, Jan? 1057 01:27:49,659 --> 01:27:53,443 - Look, let's all... - No, I want to know. 1058 01:27:53,538 --> 01:27:59,492 I want to know what I gave up my house for - my credit, my life! 1059 01:27:59,585 --> 01:28:01,707 Would you take 10 million? 1060 01:28:01,795 --> 01:28:03,918 - Yes. - But not eight? 1061 01:28:04,005 --> 01:28:05,036 No. 1062 01:28:05,131 --> 01:28:08,998 So 10 million is some mythic struggle, 1063 01:28:09,093 --> 01:28:11,381 but eight is just another lawsuit! 1064 01:28:11,470 --> 01:28:15,088 If they're willing to pay eight then it's not enough. 1065 01:28:15,182 --> 01:28:18,467 - That makes sense! - It makes perfect sense. 1066 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,975 So you'll only accept what they won't give us? 1067 01:28:22,063 --> 01:28:23,687 Listen to yourself! 1068 01:28:23,772 --> 01:28:29,015 I'm sick of listening to you. I've lost enough because of you. 1069 01:28:29,111 --> 01:28:33,855 You'd have nothing but for me. All you have, I got for you! 1070 01:28:33,948 --> 01:28:37,815 I don't have anything! What do I have? 1071 01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:42,037 I got a couple of bucks and some bus transfers. 1072 01:28:42,122 --> 01:28:46,830 I've got a savings account from when I was 12. 1073 01:28:46,918 --> 01:28:49,373 Here - there's 37 in here. 1074 01:28:49,462 --> 01:28:52,131 With interest after 25 years, probably 47! 1075 01:28:52,214 --> 01:28:54,966 Take it! Add it to the war chest. 1076 01:28:55,050 --> 01:28:57,089 Use it to fight injustice! 1077 01:28:57,177 --> 01:29:01,470 Go down in flames with it for all I care. 1078 01:29:01,556 --> 01:29:04,556 Only next time... Next time - that's a laugh! 1079 01:29:04,642 --> 01:29:08,721 Ask us if we want to go down with you! 1080 01:30:18,373 --> 01:30:21,457 I'd like to leave a message for AI Eustis, please. 1081 01:30:28,465 --> 01:30:32,759 I've been informed that a settlement agreement has been reached. 1082 01:30:32,844 --> 01:30:34,837 As a condition of this agreement, 1083 01:30:34,929 --> 01:30:38,879 the exact terms shall remain private among the parties involved. 1084 01:30:40,017 --> 01:30:42,425 Thank you for your service... 1085 01:30:42,519 --> 01:30:46,469 Our contingency fee, as you know, as you agreed to - 1086 01:30:55,531 --> 01:30:57,938 or 2.2 million. 1087 01:30:58,033 --> 01:31:02,529 Our expenses - what we actually paid out trying this case - 1088 01:31:02,620 --> 01:31:04,529 comes to 3.5 million. 1089 01:31:11,461 --> 01:31:17,380 and dividing it equally, comes out to 375,000 per family. 1090 01:31:27,559 --> 01:31:29,598 And they're gonna clean the place up? 1091 01:31:31,145 --> 01:31:32,770 No. 1092 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,938 When you first came out here, Mr Schlichtmann, 1093 01:31:39,027 --> 01:31:45,610 when we first spoke, I told you I wasn't interested in money. 1094 01:31:45,700 --> 01:31:47,527 Here it comes. 1095 01:31:47,618 --> 01:31:50,821 What I wanted was an apology from someone 1096 01:31:50,913 --> 01:31:53,617 for what they did to my son. 1097 01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:57,584 And you said, money is the apology. 1098 01:31:57,669 --> 01:32:01,748 That's how they apologize - with their chequebooks. 1099 01:32:04,717 --> 01:32:07,254 Would you call this an apology? 1100 01:32:09,095 --> 01:32:10,554 No. 1101 01:32:10,638 --> 01:32:14,932 The only meaningful apology you're going to get is from me. 1102 01:32:15,017 --> 01:32:16,761 I'm sorry. 1103 01:32:20,564 --> 01:32:23,233 I'm afraid that isn't meaningful. 1104 01:32:24,901 --> 01:32:29,112 Mrs Anderson, you're looking at four guys who are broke. 1105 01:32:29,196 --> 01:32:31,105 We lost everything trying this case. 1106 01:32:33,117 --> 01:32:37,244 How can you even begin to compare what you've lost 1107 01:32:37,329 --> 01:32:39,368 to what we've lost? 1108 01:33:23,953 --> 01:33:28,449 Listen, the minute you put money on the table, things turn ugly. 1109 01:33:28,540 --> 01:33:30,996 It happens every time. Forget it. 1110 01:33:31,084 --> 01:33:33,326 But she's right. 1111 01:33:34,504 --> 01:33:36,543 She's not right. 1112 01:33:38,716 --> 01:33:43,461 It's cold. It's wet. We're in the swamp. I want to go home. 1113 01:33:43,553 --> 01:33:46,305 Someone out here saw what happened. 1114 01:33:46,389 --> 01:33:49,924 You can't do what Riley did without somebody seeing it. 1115 01:33:51,519 --> 01:33:53,760 You're talking about the case. 1116 01:33:53,854 --> 01:33:55,811 The case is over. 1117 01:34:06,532 --> 01:34:09,367 Yeah, I know. They want out, right? 1118 01:34:09,451 --> 01:34:12,203 It's time they went their separate way. 1119 01:34:12,287 --> 01:34:14,612 You know what I think of that? 1120 01:34:14,706 --> 01:34:17,542 Fine. Let 'em. 1121 01:34:17,542 --> 01:34:21,669 - I can imagine worse things. - Like what? 1122 01:34:21,754 --> 01:34:24,505 So what if we have to start over? 1123 01:34:24,590 --> 01:34:29,500 We did it once. We can do it again, the two of us. 1124 01:34:37,935 --> 01:34:44,138 Oh, I see. When you say it's over, you mean it's over. 1125 01:34:45,816 --> 01:34:48,900 It's time for me to go my separate way. 1126 01:34:52,489 --> 01:34:55,158 You always went your separate way, Jan. 1127 01:35:58,130 --> 01:35:59,754 Thank you. 1128 01:36:58,016 --> 01:37:03,010 This is how silicone is put on leather to waterproof it. 1129 01:37:03,104 --> 01:37:06,472 Like you poured water on my table. 1130 01:37:06,565 --> 01:37:08,604 Yeah. 1131 01:37:16,491 --> 01:37:20,155 So some of it must spill off the leather, 1132 01:37:20,244 --> 01:37:23,197 like the water spilling off my table. 1133 01:37:27,167 --> 01:37:29,740 That's the part I'm interested in. 1134 01:37:29,836 --> 01:37:32,836 The spilled silicone and trichloroethylene, sir - 1135 01:37:32,922 --> 01:37:34,961 how you disposed of that. 1136 01:37:46,559 --> 01:37:49,559 We're just here to look at your records. 1137 01:38:05,951 --> 01:38:08,702 I didn't call him, he just came. 1138 01:38:08,786 --> 01:38:13,827 - You just let him in? - Of course I did. 1139 01:38:35,685 --> 01:38:39,303 You know how sometimes you get so close to something 1140 01:38:39,397 --> 01:38:41,436 that you lose sight of it? 1141 01:38:45,235 --> 01:38:48,105 I kept looking for someone 1142 01:38:48,196 --> 01:38:51,612 who saw Riley dumping barrels of poison, when l... 1143 01:38:51,699 --> 01:38:56,159 I should've been looking for someone who helped him clean it up. 1144 01:39:03,626 --> 01:39:08,964 Why did you rent two dump trucks and a front loader in October '81? 1145 01:39:09,048 --> 01:39:12,962 Or is this just part of your job at the tannery? 1146 01:39:14,761 --> 01:39:18,805 - Mr Granger? - I don't have to talk to you. 1147 01:39:18,890 --> 01:39:23,551 I can tell you to leave and I'd be within my rights. 1148 01:39:23,644 --> 01:39:26,051 Yes, you would. 1149 01:39:38,282 --> 01:39:43,276 In the fall of 1981 , Mr Riley instructed me to rent a loader 1150 01:39:43,370 --> 01:39:46,785 and two 10-wheel dump trucks. 1151 01:39:46,873 --> 01:39:50,740 - Did he tell you why? - Yes, he did. 1152 01:39:50,834 --> 01:39:55,163 Everything goes. I don't want to see anything but topsoil. 1153 01:39:55,255 --> 01:40:00,759 Didn't it seem strange that he had to get rid of it now? 1154 01:40:00,843 --> 01:40:04,212 I don't want to know where. Just take it. 1155 01:40:04,305 --> 01:40:06,974 He told me city inspectors were coming. 1156 01:40:07,057 --> 01:40:09,548 He didn't want them to see it. 1157 01:40:14,814 --> 01:40:17,269 This went on for several nights. 1158 01:40:17,358 --> 01:40:19,397 Fill the trucks, trucks drive off, 1159 01:40:19,485 --> 01:40:23,564 trucks come back empty, we fill them up again. 1160 01:40:25,281 --> 01:40:27,321 On the last night... 1161 01:40:27,408 --> 01:40:29,614 On the last night, what? 1162 01:40:31,328 --> 01:40:34,364 Are you sure you didn't see some kids there? 1163 01:40:34,456 --> 01:40:38,204 - Lighting fires, drinking beers? - I've nothing to say. 1164 01:40:38,293 --> 01:40:41,626 It'd be hard to forget. You know, it's a... 1165 01:40:41,713 --> 01:40:43,752 Apparently, it was quite a sight. 1166 01:40:47,509 --> 01:40:48,790 Go, go, go. 1167 01:40:48,885 --> 01:40:51,459 Watch out! 1168 01:40:51,554 --> 01:40:54,555 This is private property! You little punks! 1169 01:40:54,641 --> 01:40:56,099 That's you! 1170 01:40:56,184 --> 01:41:00,679 You know, mister, I'm sorry. Here's something to make up for it. 1171 01:41:00,771 --> 01:41:02,894 There you go! There - fry! 1172 01:41:04,566 --> 01:41:06,558 I'll have you arrested! 1173 01:41:06,651 --> 01:41:10,944 It's like that now! You want some of that? Eat it! 1174 01:41:27,795 --> 01:41:30,629 Let's go! Let's go! 1175 01:41:32,465 --> 01:41:35,419 - Get the fuck out! - Come on. 1176 01:41:45,685 --> 01:41:48,258 Did Riley threaten you at all 1177 01:41:48,354 --> 01:41:52,482 with what might happen to you if you ever came forward? 1178 01:41:52,566 --> 01:41:54,144 No, sir. 1179 01:41:54,235 --> 01:41:57,983 He didn't say anything at all in this regard? 1180 01:42:02,492 --> 01:42:05,576 He gave me a couple of Celtics tickets. 1181 01:42:05,661 --> 01:42:08,330 Told me to keep my mouth shut. 1182 01:42:45,238 --> 01:42:48,072 The appeals process is even more Byzantine 1183 01:42:48,157 --> 01:42:50,149 than the trial it's appealing. 1184 01:42:52,327 --> 01:42:54,652 It takes longer, it costs more, 1185 01:42:54,746 --> 01:42:57,415 its outcome is even less promising. 1186 01:42:58,624 --> 01:43:02,456 Only five cases in 50 will win in appeals court, 1187 01:43:02,545 --> 01:43:06,293 odds as easy to calculate as they are discouraging. 1188 01:43:06,381 --> 01:43:08,706 They're 10 to 1 against. 1189 01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,635 Just about any bet at any table 1190 01:43:11,719 --> 01:43:14,506 in any casino anywhere in the world... 1191 01:43:14,597 --> 01:43:16,423 is better than that. 1192 01:43:19,643 --> 01:43:23,771 I have the evidence but not the resources or the gambling spirit 1193 01:43:23,855 --> 01:43:27,224 to appeal the decision in this case. 1194 01:43:28,567 --> 01:43:30,809 I have no money, no partners, 1195 01:43:30,903 --> 01:43:33,903 and, it seems, no clients any more. 1196 01:43:35,824 --> 01:43:40,036 The Woburn case has become what it was when it first came to me - 1197 01:43:40,036 --> 01:43:41,909 an orphan. 1198 01:43:41,996 --> 01:43:45,374 I'm forwarding it on to you, 1199 01:43:45,374 --> 01:43:49,916 knowing you may not want it any more than I did at first. 1200 01:43:51,046 --> 01:43:53,963 If you do decide to take it on, 1201 01:43:54,048 --> 01:43:57,832 I hope you'll be able to succeed where I've failed. 1202 01:43:57,927 --> 01:44:01,758 If you calculate success and failure as I always have, 1203 01:44:01,847 --> 01:44:05,225 in money divided neatly into human suffering, 1204 01:44:05,225 --> 01:44:07,894 the arithmetic says... 1205 01:44:07,977 --> 01:44:10,016 I failed completely. 1206 01:44:11,605 --> 01:44:15,472 What it doesn't say is if I could go back, 1207 01:44:15,567 --> 01:44:21,272 knowing what I know now and where I'd end up if I got involved, 1208 01:44:21,364 --> 01:44:24,317 knowing all the numbers, all the odds, 1209 01:44:24,408 --> 01:44:26,447 all the angles... 1210 01:44:31,998 --> 01:44:34,240 I'd do it again. 1211 01:45:23,543 --> 01:45:25,203 Sorry. 1212 01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:28,015 Jesus! 1213 01:47:31,281 --> 01:47:32,858 I'm sorry. Yes? 1214 01:47:32,949 --> 01:47:37,028 The purpose of these questions is not to humiliate you, 1215 01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:40,203 but to verify the assets that you've declared. 1216 01:47:40,289 --> 01:47:41,831 I understand. 1217 01:47:41,915 --> 01:47:47,378 Because what you're asking your creditors to believe is... 1218 01:47:47,378 --> 01:47:51,327 - Well, it's hard to believe. - I know. 1219 01:47:51,423 --> 01:47:57,212 After 17 years of practicing law, all you have to show for it is... 1220 01:47:57,304 --> 01:48:00,802 14 dollars in a checking account and a portable radio? 1221 01:48:00,890 --> 01:48:02,764 That's correct. 1222 01:48:07,896 --> 01:48:09,853 Where did it all go? 1223 01:48:10,982 --> 01:48:12,061 The money? 1224 01:48:12,150 --> 01:48:17,144 The money, the property, the personal belongings. 1225 01:48:17,238 --> 01:48:21,816 The things one acquires in one's life, Mr Schlichtmann. 1226 01:48:23,493 --> 01:48:27,704 The things by which one measures one's life. 1227 01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:46,593 What happened?