1 00:00:00,666 --> 00:00:02,866 Kevin: Today on "This Old House"... 2 00:00:02,933 --> 00:00:04,733 I'll tour this modern home to show how beautiful features 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,066 and accessible design go hand in hand. 4 00:00:08,133 --> 00:00:09,633 Mark: We're mixing mortar to patch 5 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:14,600 the original brick on this 1960 mid-century modern. 6 00:00:14,666 --> 00:00:17,466 Charlie: And I'll help the homeowner Billy build a DIY ramp 7 00:00:17,533 --> 00:00:18,833 for his son at camp. 8 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:21,566 ♪♪ 9 00:00:21,633 --> 00:00:26,000 ♪♪ 10 00:00:26,066 --> 00:00:28,133 Man: Ahh. That's it. 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:36,233 ♪♪ 12 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:44,366 ♪♪ 13 00:00:46,733 --> 00:00:48,400 Kevin: Hey there. I'm Kevin O'Connor. 14 00:00:48,466 --> 00:00:49,666 and welcome back to our project 15 00:00:49,733 --> 00:00:51,566 here in Lexington, Massachusetts, 16 00:00:51,633 --> 00:00:56,000 that's part of our 45th season of "This Old House." 17 00:00:56,066 --> 00:00:57,433 So I'm standing at the back of the house 18 00:00:57,500 --> 00:00:58,666 where we've got a new addition. 19 00:00:58,733 --> 00:01:00,700 You can see the poured concrete right here. 20 00:01:00,766 --> 00:01:01,966 Up top, right here, 21 00:01:02,033 --> 00:01:04,566 we've got a new primary suite for mom and dad. 22 00:01:04,633 --> 00:01:05,933 And then over here, 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,766 a new bedroom for their middle son, Caffrey. 24 00:01:08,833 --> 00:01:10,333 Because of his mobility challenges, 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,233 they wanted his bedroom to be as close to theirs as possible. 26 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:18,066 Scaffolding is up, which means windows and siding are next. 27 00:01:18,133 --> 00:01:21,600 And then as you walk into the addition right here, 28 00:01:21,666 --> 00:01:23,866 you get a sense of how much space was added. 29 00:01:23,933 --> 00:01:28,433 So the old foundation ended right here where this lally is. 30 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:30,066 So we picked up all of this space 31 00:01:30,133 --> 00:01:32,800 this way as well as that way. 32 00:01:32,866 --> 00:01:35,600 That's going to give us room for an extra bedroom down there. 33 00:01:35,666 --> 00:01:37,366 And a couple of interesting features about this floor -- 34 00:01:37,433 --> 00:01:39,333 First of all, no thresholds, 35 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,500 one plane all the way throughout, and an elevator. 36 00:01:42,566 --> 00:01:44,766 You can see that the shaft is all framed out. 37 00:01:44,833 --> 00:01:47,500 So Caffrey and the family can go from the lower level 38 00:01:47,566 --> 00:01:49,300 to the upper level right here. 39 00:01:49,366 --> 00:01:51,300 The rest of the space will be used 40 00:01:51,366 --> 00:01:55,866 for a little gym in here and a little rec room in here. 41 00:01:55,933 --> 00:01:59,500 And then the living space ends right at this spot right here. 42 00:01:59,566 --> 00:02:03,233 This will be a walk-up to a new mechanical room. 43 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:06,500 So, there was an old mechanical room right in here. 44 00:02:06,566 --> 00:02:08,133 We needed a second one. 45 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,133 So Mark and his guys actually built a tunnel 46 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,266 to the second mechanical room in the front of the house. 47 00:02:14,333 --> 00:02:16,533 Then they poured a new slab. 48 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,133 This is a nice little feature right here. 49 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,866 While the concrete was still wet, 50 00:02:19,933 --> 00:02:22,666 the family came and put some handprints in here, 51 00:02:22,733 --> 00:02:26,733 signed it so that they'd always have those memories. 52 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,833 Rough electrical and plumbing is in as well. 53 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:31,033 You can see the big sewer line right here, 54 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:36,033 and we got a whole bunch more going on upstairs. 55 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:39,000 On the main level, the rough plumbing is in as well, 56 00:02:39,066 --> 00:02:41,600 although here it is embedded in the slab. 57 00:02:41,666 --> 00:02:43,966 You can see some of it stubbed up right here 58 00:02:44,033 --> 00:02:45,833 where the kitchen island is going to be. 59 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:49,666 Framing is complete on this level and these brick walls 60 00:02:49,733 --> 00:02:52,600 of which we've got a couple interior and exterior, 61 00:02:52,666 --> 00:02:54,800 well, these are signature features for this house. 62 00:02:54,866 --> 00:02:57,500 And the homeowners definitely wanted to save them. 63 00:02:57,566 --> 00:02:59,000 So we've got that interior one. 64 00:02:59,066 --> 00:03:02,366 But you can see we've also got them on the exterior here 65 00:03:02,433 --> 00:03:05,233 and a couple cutouts here for new windows. 66 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,333 But we have some repair that needs to happen. 67 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,333 Hey, Mark, how are you? 68 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,266 Mark: Hey, Kevin. How you doing? 69 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:10,233 Kevin: Alright. 70 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:11,766 So the homeowners love the brick. 71 00:03:11,833 --> 00:03:14,200 You guys went to long lengths to save it and preserve it, 72 00:03:14,266 --> 00:03:16,300 but we got some repairs to do? 73 00:03:16,366 --> 00:03:18,533 Mark: We do. So one of the biggest challenges 74 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,200 any mason will ever have is matching materials. 75 00:03:21,266 --> 00:03:23,066 This project is no different. Kevin: Right. 76 00:03:23,133 --> 00:03:24,900 Mark: So the brick, unfortunately, 77 00:03:24,966 --> 00:03:26,166 isn't made anymore. 78 00:03:26,233 --> 00:03:27,866 But Charlie is ahead of the game. 79 00:03:27,933 --> 00:03:30,366 During demo, he salvaged a pallet of bricks. 80 00:03:30,433 --> 00:03:31,600 So we do have enough brick. 81 00:03:31,666 --> 00:03:33,266 Kevin: And then in terms of the mortar? 82 00:03:33,333 --> 00:03:36,533 Mark: Mortar is going to be a little different beast. 83 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,333 We do have miscellaneous repairs right here. 84 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,800 We have the old gas line going into the wall. 85 00:03:41,866 --> 00:03:43,366 We have to clean that up. 86 00:03:43,433 --> 00:03:46,500 Charlie's bringing his siding into this jamb right here. 87 00:03:46,566 --> 00:03:48,733 It's a little ragged, so we're going to have to make a cut, 88 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,066 clean that up. But the most important thing 89 00:03:51,133 --> 00:03:52,800 we're going to have to do over here, 90 00:03:52,866 --> 00:03:54,866 Kevin, this is the brick sill. 91 00:03:54,933 --> 00:03:58,033 We're going to have to flash the window as it goes in, 92 00:03:58,100 --> 00:03:59,800 and then we're going to have to relay this sill brick. 93 00:03:59,866 --> 00:04:01,566 Kevin: Gotcha. Mark: But as I said, 94 00:04:01,633 --> 00:04:04,900 the biggest challenge we have is matching that mortar, 95 00:04:04,966 --> 00:04:07,000 and that's in the capable hands 96 00:04:07,066 --> 00:04:09,000 of one of the best masons I know -- Kevin. 97 00:04:09,066 --> 00:04:10,266 Kevin: Kevin, good to see you again. 98 00:04:10,333 --> 00:04:11,633 Kevin V.: Good to see you. Kevin: Been a while. 99 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:13,066 Kevin V.: Yes, it has. Kevin: So how did you replicate 100 00:04:13,133 --> 00:04:15,266 the mortar for us? What goes into that process? 101 00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:18,400 Kevin V.: First thing is achieving a mortar sample 102 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:20,566 from the existing where you want to match. 103 00:04:20,633 --> 00:04:22,100 So it is the mortar joint. 104 00:04:22,166 --> 00:04:24,033 Kevin: So you pulled this out of an existing wall. 105 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:26,633 This is a little bit of mortar that would sit between 106 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:28,300 two brick right there. Kevin V.: Absolutely. 107 00:04:28,366 --> 00:04:30,566 Kevin: Okay. And then once you have that, where do you go? 108 00:04:30,633 --> 00:04:34,866 Kevin V.: You first wash it, let it dry. 109 00:04:34,933 --> 00:04:36,366 That will give you the actual color 110 00:04:36,433 --> 00:04:37,900 that you have to match. Kevin: Right. 111 00:04:37,966 --> 00:04:40,200 Kevin V.: And then we'll start the process 112 00:04:40,266 --> 00:04:42,566 of coming up with a recipe... 113 00:04:42,633 --> 00:04:44,066 Kevin: Okay. Kevin V.: ...unique to the job. 114 00:04:44,133 --> 00:04:45,666 Kevin: So you're trying to match just color? 115 00:04:45,733 --> 00:04:47,266 Kevin V.: Color and texture. Kevin: Ah. 116 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:50,866 Kevin V.: So you have a mortar that's 63 years old, 117 00:04:50,933 --> 00:04:55,300 and the aging process is exposing the sands. 118 00:04:55,366 --> 00:04:57,233 The sands that they used years ago 119 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,566 were a little bit larger than the mortar sands today. 120 00:04:59,633 --> 00:05:01,733 Kevin: Right. Kevin V.: So we introduce 121 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,933 concrete sand a little bit larger 122 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 to replicate the existing condition. 123 00:05:08,066 --> 00:05:09,333 Kevin: And what are you starting with 124 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,966 for your mortar? Kevin V.: Starting 125 00:05:11,033 --> 00:05:12,400 with a type S. Kevin: Gotcha. 126 00:05:12,466 --> 00:05:14,600 Kevin V.: And the reason why we use a type S is 127 00:05:14,666 --> 00:05:18,466 because we're introducing additional sand 128 00:05:18,533 --> 00:05:21,266 which reduces the psi of the mortar. 129 00:05:21,333 --> 00:05:22,566 Kevin: Okay. Kevin V.: You wouldn't typically 130 00:05:22,633 --> 00:05:25,466 use a type S with brick. Kevin: Right. 131 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:27,766 So you've got your sort of test kitchen over right here, 132 00:05:27,833 --> 00:05:30,400 if you will. You end up with -- We got a cup here. 133 00:05:30,466 --> 00:05:32,233 It looks like you got a recipe. 134 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:34,766 And I presume that gives you that mortar profile 135 00:05:34,833 --> 00:05:37,400 and you did it for number 2, number 4, 136 00:05:37,466 --> 00:05:40,266 number 7, number 10, number 12, number 14. 137 00:05:40,333 --> 00:05:42,333 Did you have a final recipe that you decided on? 138 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,366 Kevin V.: 14. 139 00:05:43,433 --> 00:05:45,466 Kevin: Did it really take you 14 tries? 140 00:05:45,533 --> 00:05:47,766 Kevin V.: To get it as close as possible. 141 00:05:47,833 --> 00:05:49,400 Kevin: Okay. And then with this recipe, 142 00:05:49,466 --> 00:05:51,633 make as much mortar as you want and you can patch anything? 143 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:53,166 Kevin V.: Yep. Kevin: Beautiful. Alright. 144 00:05:53,233 --> 00:05:55,066 Well, I'll let you get back to your alchemy. 145 00:05:55,133 --> 00:05:56,900 I'm going to take a trip about 20 minutes from here. 146 00:05:56,966 --> 00:05:59,966 We got new construction, a house that was built to be accessible. 147 00:06:00,033 --> 00:06:01,300 I'm going to go get some ideas. Mark: Great. 148 00:06:01,366 --> 00:06:03,500 Kevin: Thanks, guys. Mark: Alright, Kevin. 149 00:06:06,566 --> 00:06:07,600 Alright, Kevin. 150 00:06:07,666 --> 00:06:09,866 So first thing we're going to do, 151 00:06:09,933 --> 00:06:12,500 we'll go after this hole, we'll drill some holes. 152 00:06:12,566 --> 00:06:14,466 That'll weaken this a little bit. 153 00:06:14,533 --> 00:06:17,100 [ Drill whirring ] 154 00:06:17,166 --> 00:06:26,366 ♪♪ 155 00:06:26,433 --> 00:06:35,666 ♪♪ 156 00:06:35,733 --> 00:06:37,700 We'll get our grinder out. 157 00:06:37,766 --> 00:06:40,833 We'll just be delicate trying to take the rest of this stuff out. 158 00:06:42,833 --> 00:06:44,933 Alright. So let's jump on this vertical cut 159 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,233 right here and that'll be it. 160 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:48,033 After that, we're going to lay some brick. 161 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:57,833 ♪♪ 162 00:06:57,900 --> 00:06:59,666 Alright, So that looks great. 163 00:06:59,733 --> 00:07:02,866 And we don't have long to work with this before it sets up. 164 00:07:02,933 --> 00:07:10,966 ♪♪ 165 00:07:11,033 --> 00:07:19,133 ♪♪ 166 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:27,233 ♪♪ 167 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:30,966 Alright, Kevin, it looks like we made short work of this. 168 00:07:31,033 --> 00:07:32,900 I appreciate it. This looks great. 169 00:07:32,966 --> 00:07:34,500 I think all we have to do is a wash. 170 00:07:34,566 --> 00:07:35,700 Kevin V.: Yep. That's it. Mark: Yep. 171 00:07:35,766 --> 00:07:37,066 That'll bring out some of the aggregate. 172 00:07:37,133 --> 00:07:38,733 Other than that, I think we got a perfect match going. 173 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,266 Kevin V.: Yep. It takes a little bit of time for it to dry. 174 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:42,033 Mark: Got to dry out, but then we'll be good. 175 00:07:42,100 --> 00:07:43,266 Kevin V.: Absolutely. Mark: Alright. 176 00:07:43,333 --> 00:07:44,866 An honor. Thanks, Kevin. Kevin V.: Thanks, Mark. 177 00:07:44,933 --> 00:07:46,533 Appreciate it. Mark: You got it. 178 00:07:48,166 --> 00:07:49,200 Billy: Hey, Charlie. Charlie: Hey, Billy. 179 00:07:49,266 --> 00:07:50,233 Billy: Thanks a lot for your help. 180 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:51,533 As I said yesterday on the phone, 181 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,433 visited the kids at camp, and they're having a great time. 182 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:56,400 But with Caffrey's needs, 183 00:07:56,466 --> 00:07:59,166 I think there's a little bit we could do to help immensely. 184 00:07:59,233 --> 00:08:01,700 There's one particular step at the dining hall 185 00:08:01,766 --> 00:08:03,700 that if we just put a nice ramp in there, 186 00:08:03,766 --> 00:08:06,733 it would just allow him to -- a better usage of that space, 187 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,900 which is a very central point in the whole camp. 188 00:08:08,966 --> 00:08:11,033 Charlie: Right. So I saw the picture that you had sent 189 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:12,600 and I saw the 10-inch rise, 190 00:08:12,666 --> 00:08:16,066 and to be ADA compliant with a 112 pitch, 191 00:08:16,133 --> 00:08:18,566 which means every foot that we're going to come out, 192 00:08:18,633 --> 00:08:21,200 we're allowed to drop one inch in elevation. 193 00:08:21,266 --> 00:08:23,900 So that gives a 10-inch rise, means we have to come out 194 00:08:23,966 --> 00:08:25,600 a minimum of 10 feet. 195 00:08:25,666 --> 00:08:27,066 So that will give us our ramp. 196 00:08:27,133 --> 00:08:29,066 Billy: And there should be plenty of space in this location 197 00:08:29,133 --> 00:08:31,300 for a 10-foot ramp? Charlie: Yeah, it looked like -- 198 00:08:31,366 --> 00:08:33,000 When you sent the picture, it looks like we had plenty. 199 00:08:33,066 --> 00:08:36,000 So I actually went ahead and cut a couple already 200 00:08:36,066 --> 00:08:38,566 because I really want to see how this is going to come together 201 00:08:38,633 --> 00:08:40,533 because we're going to put this together, 202 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,666 fasten it with screws, take it apart, 203 00:08:42,733 --> 00:08:44,733 and then you can reassemble it down at the camp. 204 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,733 Billy: Perfect. That's great. Charlie: So, I did cut two. 205 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,666 If you want to give me a hand, I'm marking it out now. 206 00:08:48,733 --> 00:08:51,033 We'll snap a line and we can get the last two cut. 207 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:52,866 Billy: Great. Charlie: Now, the good news is, 208 00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:56,400 is we're going to get two pieces out of one piece of 2x10, 209 00:08:56,466 --> 00:09:01,033 and I have 8.5 inches for our cut line going down to zero. 210 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:02,766 And you might wonder why we have 8 1/2. 211 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:04,766 Well, we have an inch and a half tread going on there, 212 00:09:04,833 --> 00:09:08,233 which will give us our total of our 10-inch for our rise. 213 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:09,700 So since we're going to get two out of one, 214 00:09:09,766 --> 00:09:11,233 let's mark them both right now. 215 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:15,200 So I'm going to mark the 8 1/2 down here. 216 00:09:15,266 --> 00:09:17,166 Got it. 217 00:09:17,233 --> 00:09:19,800 Alright, let's mark this out with a chalk line. 218 00:09:19,866 --> 00:09:22,066 Hold that right on that first pencil line. 219 00:09:22,133 --> 00:09:25,433 Alright. So you're on the line and I'm going to zero here. 220 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:27,166 Alrighty. 221 00:09:27,233 --> 00:09:29,466 Alright. Now you go to zero on that one. 222 00:09:29,533 --> 00:09:31,900 Yep. Right at the very end. Perfect. 223 00:09:31,966 --> 00:09:33,600 And I got it to my 8 1/2 here. 224 00:09:33,666 --> 00:09:35,433 Ready? 225 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:37,166 Perfect. Here you go. 226 00:09:37,233 --> 00:09:40,266 Got the depth already set. Let's hit this line first, 227 00:09:40,333 --> 00:09:41,900 and we're going to keep the line on. 228 00:09:41,966 --> 00:09:43,700 So you're going to be on that side of the mark. 229 00:09:43,766 --> 00:09:45,166 [ Saw buzzing ] 230 00:10:01,566 --> 00:10:03,133 Perfect. Nice job. 231 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,833 So, you told me that it's 40 inches wide 232 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:08,833 at the widest point. 233 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:12,266 So I marked them out on the table already. 234 00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:14,833 And these are really what we call a stringer, 235 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:17,566 but not really your standard stringer you'd see on stairs. 236 00:10:17,633 --> 00:10:20,200 But for a ramp, there's still a stringer 237 00:10:20,266 --> 00:10:21,833 and we're going to have four of them. 238 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:23,900 Billy: To support the treads? Charlie: That's right. 239 00:10:23,966 --> 00:10:27,633 So I already marked out on this table where they have to go. 240 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:30,633 So let's place these on my lines. 241 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:32,300 You'll be down this end here and you can see them right here, 242 00:10:32,366 --> 00:10:33,900 Billy -- They all have the X's in them. 243 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,666 It's about a 10 1/2-inch spacing in between them, 244 00:10:36,733 --> 00:10:38,133 and I have it marked at the top 245 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,766 so that way it'll all be the same length. 246 00:10:39,833 --> 00:10:41,933 So put that on that mark down there, Billy. 247 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,300 Billy: Got it. Charlie: Alright. 248 00:10:43,366 --> 00:10:46,933 And then the same thing inside here. Next one. 249 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,366 Alright, next one here. 250 00:10:50,433 --> 00:10:52,000 Alright. 251 00:10:52,066 --> 00:10:55,966 And then one more over here. 252 00:10:56,033 --> 00:10:58,566 Right to me a little bit. Right there. 253 00:10:58,633 --> 00:11:00,200 Good. Alright. Now that our stringers 254 00:11:00,266 --> 00:11:01,633 are all in place, 255 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:06,400 our 2x8s are going to be really our decking for this ramp. 256 00:11:06,466 --> 00:11:08,500 So let's see how we did. 257 00:11:08,566 --> 00:11:10,533 10 inches, right? Perfect. 258 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,900 Billy: Ten inches to the top of the tread, 259 00:11:11,966 --> 00:11:13,666 not to the top of the stringer? Charlie: That's right. 260 00:11:13,733 --> 00:11:16,100 So typically, you know, you'd fill in the decking. 261 00:11:16,166 --> 00:11:18,000 But in this case, we're going to start at the bottom 262 00:11:18,066 --> 00:11:20,066 really with that piece of diamond plate. 263 00:11:20,133 --> 00:11:24,133 I took the first piece of 2x8 and cut a notch into it 264 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,933 that the diamond plate will actually sit into 265 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,566 so it'll be nice and flush. 266 00:11:27,633 --> 00:11:30,500 So put it on that one mark right there. 267 00:11:30,566 --> 00:11:34,300 So we also took some wedges that we cut 268 00:11:34,366 --> 00:11:37,733 so it'll fill in where the diamond plate's going to go. 269 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,133 And that way there won't be any spring in the diamond plate. 270 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,933 And this is the piece right here. 271 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,033 This aluminum diamond plate will be placed 272 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:48,833 at the bottom of the ramp and the top of the ramp 273 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:52,066 to help provide a seamless transition. 274 00:11:52,133 --> 00:11:53,900 Let's just dry-fit the rest of them 275 00:11:53,966 --> 00:11:55,266 to get all the way up to the top. 276 00:11:55,333 --> 00:11:59,666 And I'll show you what we have to do next. 277 00:11:59,733 --> 00:12:00,900 Alright. Perfect. 278 00:12:00,966 --> 00:12:04,566 Let's see how it fits with the diamond plate. 279 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,433 Right here. 280 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:11,733 Alright, perfect. Nice and flush. Same thing. 281 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,866 You'll mount this, but now it's time to take it apart. 282 00:12:14,933 --> 00:12:17,033 Put in your car. So why don't we do that now? 283 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:18,033 Billy: This is going to be really great. 284 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:19,366 Thank you so much for your help. 285 00:12:19,433 --> 00:12:21,833 Charlie: I'm glad I could help and any time. 286 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:31,300 ♪♪ 287 00:12:31,366 --> 00:12:40,766 ♪♪ 288 00:12:40,833 --> 00:12:42,933 Kevin: I am here at a home about 20 minutes 289 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,466 from our Lexington project 290 00:12:44,533 --> 00:12:47,600 that is beautiful, modern and accessible. 291 00:12:47,666 --> 00:12:49,566 And I'm here for some inspiration. 292 00:12:51,833 --> 00:12:53,566 Hey, Doug. Doug: Kevin. 293 00:12:53,633 --> 00:12:55,233 Kevin: Nice to meet you. Doug: Good to see you. 294 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:57,066 Kevin: So, we're looking for inspiration, 295 00:12:57,133 --> 00:12:59,433 and I figured the architect who designed a beautiful 296 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:01,300 but accessible house is the perfect person. 297 00:13:01,366 --> 00:13:03,366 So thank you for having us. Doug: Great. Happy to do it. 298 00:13:03,433 --> 00:13:04,566 Kevin: Great. Well, the first thing I noticed 299 00:13:04,633 --> 00:13:06,433 is that I came up a ramp, not the stairs, 300 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:08,466 although one of the nicer ramps I've ever been on. 301 00:13:08,533 --> 00:13:09,900 Doug: Thank you. Kevin: A challenge? 302 00:13:09,966 --> 00:13:12,066 Doug: Yeah. So, of course, 303 00:13:12,133 --> 00:13:13,833 when you're making a house that's accessible, 304 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:15,200 you've got to start at the sidewalk 305 00:13:15,266 --> 00:13:17,033 or the street, and then the house, 306 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,466 the first floor is about four feet up from the street, 307 00:13:19,533 --> 00:13:22,366 which requires a ramp. That translates into 308 00:13:22,433 --> 00:13:24,800 about a 48-foot-long ramp. 309 00:13:24,866 --> 00:13:26,133 Kevin: That's a lot of ramp. Doug: It is. 310 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,100 And we wanted the ramp also to look good 311 00:13:29,166 --> 00:13:31,600 and to contribute to the overall look 312 00:13:31,666 --> 00:13:32,866 and the aesthetics of the house. 313 00:13:32,933 --> 00:13:36,933 So we created a ramp that follows along the perimeter 314 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,733 of this planting area and this courtyard, 315 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,166 and it drops you off here on this terrace. 316 00:13:42,233 --> 00:13:44,133 Kevin: And then obviously, you know, the threshold, 317 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,833 just a tiny little ramp. Doug: Exactly. 318 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:47,566 It slopes just enough to keep water 319 00:13:47,633 --> 00:13:49,033 from running back into the house. 320 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:51,100 Kevin: Okay. 321 00:13:51,166 --> 00:13:53,966 Doug: The homeowners have been in this house for 20 years -- 322 00:13:54,033 --> 00:13:55,400 or this property, 323 00:13:55,466 --> 00:13:57,766 three years in this new house that we designed for them. 324 00:13:57,833 --> 00:14:00,400 Kevin: Wow, that is beautiful. This is terrific. 325 00:14:00,466 --> 00:14:01,866 Oh, there they are. Hi. Kevin. 326 00:14:01,933 --> 00:14:03,400 Delores: Hi, Kevin. Welcome to our house. 327 00:14:03,466 --> 00:14:04,800 Kevin: Thank you very much. Georgios: Hi, Kevin. 328 00:14:04,866 --> 00:14:05,866 Kevin: Nice to meet you. 329 00:14:05,933 --> 00:14:07,533 Doug: This is Delores and Georgios. 330 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,533 Kevin: Wonderful. Well, thank you for the invite. 331 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,100 And can you tell me why accessible house? 332 00:14:13,166 --> 00:14:14,600 What was your inspiration? Delores: Sure. 333 00:14:14,666 --> 00:14:16,733 The main inspiration was our daughter Mariana, 334 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,600 who's 25 years old, 335 00:14:18,666 --> 00:14:20,266 and she has multiple disabilities. 336 00:14:20,333 --> 00:14:23,566 So we wanted to build a house that was accessible for her 337 00:14:23,633 --> 00:14:25,733 but also accessible for her friends, 338 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,566 including friends with disabilities 339 00:14:27,633 --> 00:14:28,866 and without disabilities. 340 00:14:28,933 --> 00:14:31,766 Mariana's best friend, who uses a wheelchair, 341 00:14:31,833 --> 00:14:33,400 she had not been able to hang out with 342 00:14:33,466 --> 00:14:36,166 Mariana in Mariana's bedroom until we moved to this house. 343 00:14:36,233 --> 00:14:38,533 So it's been wonderful to be able to ride 344 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,366 the elevator together, spend time in Mariana's room. 345 00:14:41,433 --> 00:14:43,533 Kevin: And does it work for your needs as well? 346 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,333 Georgios: Yes, absolutely. That is the intent. 347 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,066 We used the universal design to meet Mariana's needs, 348 00:14:49,133 --> 00:14:51,266 our people in our lives with challenges 349 00:14:51,333 --> 00:14:53,633 and our future selves as we age in place. 350 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:55,100 Kevin: So you could stay? Georgios: Yes. 351 00:14:55,166 --> 00:14:57,800 So we feel, you know, confident 352 00:14:57,866 --> 00:14:58,800 that it's going to be good for us. 353 00:14:58,866 --> 00:14:59,833 Kevin: Great. And it's beautiful. 354 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:01,466 Georgios: Yes. Delores: It is. 355 00:15:01,533 --> 00:15:02,733 Kevin: Well, thank you for the invite. 356 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,000 We are going to snoop around, if that's alright. 357 00:15:05,066 --> 00:15:06,366 We'll let Doug lead the way. Delores: Sure. 358 00:15:06,433 --> 00:15:07,866 Doug: Well, let's start with the elevator. 359 00:15:07,933 --> 00:15:09,866 Kevin: We are putting one of these in our house, 360 00:15:09,933 --> 00:15:15,100 so this is great to see it sort of in place. 361 00:15:15,166 --> 00:15:17,466 Doug: So, this is an electric cable elevator. 362 00:15:17,533 --> 00:15:19,433 It's got the swinging door on the outside 363 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:21,900 and this folding door on the inside. 364 00:15:21,966 --> 00:15:23,500 Kevin: Surprisingly compact. 365 00:15:23,566 --> 00:15:26,766 Doug: Yeah. So it's about five feet by six feet total. 366 00:15:26,833 --> 00:15:29,033 It doesn't take up a lot of space. 367 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:32,033 And it's at a key location. It's by the entrance. 368 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:34,233 There's plenty of maneuvering space, 369 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:37,066 and then it leads right into the rest of the house, the kitchen. 370 00:15:37,133 --> 00:15:39,066 Kevin: So I've noticed right away the open floor plan, 371 00:15:39,133 --> 00:15:40,900 everything is sort of flowing into each other, 372 00:15:40,966 --> 00:15:42,666 one room into the next. 373 00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:45,233 Beautiful, modern look right here, wider than normal 374 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:48,300 from countertop to countertop. Doug: Yeah, this is about 4'6". 375 00:15:48,366 --> 00:15:50,333 We would normally do about four feet, 376 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,300 but this gives us just a little extra space for maneuvering. 377 00:15:53,366 --> 00:15:56,633 Kevin: Gotcha. Doug: And touch-latch cabinets. 378 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:57,800 Kevin: [ Laughs ] 379 00:15:57,866 --> 00:16:00,000 That's terrific. Look at that. 380 00:16:00,066 --> 00:16:01,566 So you don't have to reach up and close it. 381 00:16:01,633 --> 00:16:03,466 Doug: Touch it and close them. Kevin: Very nice. 382 00:16:03,533 --> 00:16:05,633 Well, you're not getting up or down a staircase 383 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:07,033 if you're in a wheelchair, 384 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,200 but you can still make stairs easier to get up and down. 385 00:16:09,266 --> 00:16:10,966 Doug: Definitely. And that's the area 386 00:16:11,033 --> 00:16:13,233 where universal design comes in. 387 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,066 You want to make it as easy as possible 388 00:16:15,133 --> 00:16:19,800 for someone who's older or with a disability to make -- 389 00:16:19,866 --> 00:16:22,233 to go up the stair easily and safely. 390 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:23,333 Kevin: Right. Doug: And in this stair, 391 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,966 what we've tried to do is make the stair 392 00:16:25,033 --> 00:16:26,966 longer and gentler in slope. 393 00:16:27,033 --> 00:16:30,866 So it's got longer treads, shorter risers, 394 00:16:30,933 --> 00:16:33,500 and then we've got these two sturdy handrails, 395 00:16:33,566 --> 00:16:35,266 one on each side. 396 00:16:35,333 --> 00:16:37,733 And when you're an elderly person, 397 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,133 you may need extra support 398 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,133 so you can support yourself going up with both sides. 399 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,600 Kevin: Right. Doug: And in some cases, 400 00:16:43,666 --> 00:16:45,033 Mariana, for instance, is stronger 401 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:46,866 on one side than the other. 402 00:16:46,933 --> 00:16:50,700 She'll use one rail going up. 403 00:16:50,766 --> 00:16:52,333 And the other rail going down. Kevin: Great. 404 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,166 Talk about customizing it for the customer. 405 00:16:54,233 --> 00:16:55,600 That's terrific. 406 00:16:55,666 --> 00:16:59,300 And lighting is just -- I mean, this is great for anybody. 407 00:16:59,366 --> 00:17:01,533 It's always treacherous coming down a staircase in the dark. 408 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,000 So why not light them up, 409 00:17:03,066 --> 00:17:04,800 which you guys did in the stringer. 410 00:17:04,866 --> 00:17:06,066 Doug: Yeah. Kevin: Very nice. 411 00:17:06,133 --> 00:17:07,766 And I like the modern look, too. 412 00:17:07,833 --> 00:17:10,566 Cable rail on one side. Steel stringers on each. 413 00:17:10,633 --> 00:17:12,066 Doug: Fits very nicely with the overall 414 00:17:12,133 --> 00:17:15,966 modern aesthetic of the house. Nice, gentle stair. 415 00:17:16,033 --> 00:17:17,566 Easy to go up. 416 00:17:17,633 --> 00:17:19,766 This is Mariana's bedroom. 417 00:17:19,833 --> 00:17:21,700 Kevin: Another beautiful room. Doug: Yeah. 418 00:17:21,766 --> 00:17:23,533 And I think most of the accessible features 419 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,566 we want to look at are in the bathroom, 420 00:17:25,633 --> 00:17:30,300 starting with this pocket door, which when we open it up, 421 00:17:30,366 --> 00:17:33,066 you don't have any of the swing of the door 422 00:17:33,133 --> 00:17:35,600 to negotiate around once you're in the room. 423 00:17:35,666 --> 00:17:38,466 Kevin: Clear opening. First thing I notice is shower. 424 00:17:38,533 --> 00:17:40,400 So the water is going to be contained by the door, 425 00:17:40,466 --> 00:17:42,766 but curbless, so nothing to step over. 426 00:17:42,833 --> 00:17:44,600 In fact, you can wheel right in here if you wanted to. 427 00:17:44,666 --> 00:17:46,533 Doug: Yeah, it's much easier to eliminate the curb 428 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,400 in terms of getting into the shower. 429 00:17:48,466 --> 00:17:50,533 Kevin: Grab bars two walls, 430 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,966 easily accessible knobs down nice and low. 431 00:17:54,033 --> 00:17:58,033 You've got the handheld fixture as well, so that's terrific. 432 00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:00,033 And I presume big enough 433 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:01,400 so that you can get a wheelchair in here. 434 00:18:01,466 --> 00:18:03,033 That's why it's so large? Doug: Yeah, exactly. 435 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:05,400 So you want to be able to get a wheelchair in. 436 00:18:05,466 --> 00:18:07,400 Remember, Mariana doesn't use a wheelchair, 437 00:18:07,466 --> 00:18:08,866 but she does have a caregiver. 438 00:18:08,933 --> 00:18:11,866 So you've got to have space to let the caregiver help 439 00:18:11,933 --> 00:18:14,433 when she's in the shower. Kevin: The two-person shower. 440 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:16,066 We have seen this a lot, too. 441 00:18:16,133 --> 00:18:18,266 So instead of the knobs that turn, 442 00:18:18,333 --> 00:18:21,233 we've got levers that are very easy to move, you know, 443 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:23,866 whether you've got dexterity problems or not. 444 00:18:23,933 --> 00:18:25,866 Okay. Where to next? Doug: Let's go to the basement. 445 00:18:25,933 --> 00:18:27,833 Kevin: Let's. Can I ride the elevator? 446 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:29,666 Yes. 447 00:18:29,733 --> 00:18:33,566 [ Door rattling ] 448 00:18:33,633 --> 00:18:35,000 Doug: And here we are in the basement. 449 00:18:35,066 --> 00:18:36,300 Kevin: Ah, which is all finished space. 450 00:18:36,366 --> 00:18:37,666 Doug: Yep. The in-law suite. 451 00:18:37,733 --> 00:18:42,233 Kevin: Also a staircase but access via the elevator. 452 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:44,900 So kind of a mudroom area, storage and such. 453 00:18:44,966 --> 00:18:47,533 Doug: This is where the family comes into the house 454 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,733 much of the time because it's a three-story house. 455 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,033 The garage is on the basement level. 456 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:54,700 Kevin: Mm, gotcha. 457 00:18:54,766 --> 00:18:57,300 So they pull the car up here? Doug: Pull the car up here, 458 00:18:57,366 --> 00:18:59,166 ride their bicycles down, 459 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:00,600 and we've got a ramp here 460 00:19:00,666 --> 00:19:03,466 to provide an accessible entrance on the basement. 461 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,800 Kevin: So that explains the three stops on the elevator. 462 00:19:05,866 --> 00:19:08,633 You can get to anywhere you want in this house 463 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:11,100 from the ground level. Doug: Completely accessible. 464 00:19:11,166 --> 00:19:13,700 Kevin: I think our homeowners are going to be very inspired 465 00:19:13,766 --> 00:19:17,600 by this -- super-comfortable, accessible house, but gorgeous. 466 00:19:17,666 --> 00:19:19,233 A lot of good ideas. Thank you, Doug. 467 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:21,033 Will you thank the homeowners for us? 468 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:22,133 Doug: I will. Kevin: Terrific. 469 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,700 Doug: So long. Kevin: See ya. 470 00:19:23,766 --> 00:19:29,166 ♪♪ 471 00:19:29,233 --> 00:19:31,366 We're making some good progress with the new trim, 472 00:19:31,433 --> 00:19:33,066 although a little bit of a change of plans, right? 473 00:19:33,133 --> 00:19:35,000 I thought we were keeping the old. 474 00:19:35,066 --> 00:19:36,333 Now it's getting replaced? 475 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,700 Charlie: Well, originally, that's right. 476 00:19:37,766 --> 00:19:39,700 We were going to save all the trim on the original house. 477 00:19:39,766 --> 00:19:41,000 But remember back when we had 478 00:19:41,066 --> 00:19:43,066 our HERS rating to get our building permit, 479 00:19:43,133 --> 00:19:45,833 we had to make the building much tighter energy-wise. 480 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:48,233 And to achieve that, we had to put two layers 481 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,700 of one-inch foam on the roof, overlapping all the joints. 482 00:19:51,766 --> 00:19:54,033 And that was a big part why we got our permit. 483 00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:56,300 Kevin: Right. So this obviously isn't wide enough anymore 484 00:19:56,366 --> 00:19:58,100 to go all the way up this high. Tom: Right. 485 00:19:58,166 --> 00:19:59,933 So we need nailing for the new trim. 486 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,133 So we're going to cover the foam insulation 487 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,600 and raise it up a little bit. 488 00:20:03,666 --> 00:20:06,433 And then we'll have a 2x8 right here 489 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:08,366 behind that 1x10 trimming, plenty to nail. 490 00:20:08,433 --> 00:20:09,400 Kevin: So this is coming off? 491 00:20:09,466 --> 00:20:10,633 Tom: We're going to take the old trim off. 492 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:12,466 Kevin: Alright, off it comes. 493 00:20:20,833 --> 00:20:22,866 Tom: You got that, sonny? Kevin: Got it. 494 00:20:24,833 --> 00:20:26,733 Charlie: Alright, I'm good. Kevin: Good here. 495 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,633 Tom: I got this. 496 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:30,800 [ Drill whirring ] 497 00:20:38,366 --> 00:20:39,466 Kevin: I'm way low, Tommy. 498 00:20:39,533 --> 00:20:40,700 Tom: Alright, bring it down a little more. 499 00:20:40,766 --> 00:20:41,766 Kevin: Down? Tom: Yeah. 500 00:20:41,833 --> 00:20:42,833 Kevin: I'm two inches below -- 501 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:43,833 Tom: Keep coming. Keep coming. 502 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:45,766 Kevin: Okay. Okay. Tom: Keep. 503 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:50,433 Alright. Can you push it up? 504 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:52,200 Kevin: You want it up now? Tom: If you can. 505 00:20:52,266 --> 00:20:53,900 Kevin: [ Grunting ] Oh, for crying out loud. 506 00:20:53,966 --> 00:20:56,366 I can't even get it close. [ Grunts ] 507 00:20:56,433 --> 00:20:58,333 [ Grunting ] Hurry! 508 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,066 Tom: Hold on. Kevin: Hurry up! 509 00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:02,566 [ Drills whir ] 510 00:21:02,633 --> 00:21:03,900 Oh, yeah. 511 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:07,300 Tom: There you go. 512 00:21:07,366 --> 00:21:09,700 Charlie: That wasn't that hard. Tom: See how easy that was? 513 00:21:09,766 --> 00:21:11,266 Kevin: You guys... 514 00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:14,033 You guys are a delight to work for. 515 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:16,233 Tom: Alright, so now it's time to put on the new trim, 516 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:18,066 and we're actually going to use this board right here. 517 00:21:18,133 --> 00:21:21,466 This is a poly-ash board. It's a manmade product. 518 00:21:21,533 --> 00:21:25,233 And it's going to replace the PVC that we normally would use. 519 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:26,633 Kevin: So why are we using this? 520 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:30,066 Tom: It doesn't expand and contract quite as much as PVC. 521 00:21:30,133 --> 00:21:31,900 Kevin: Okay. Tom: PVC will expand a lot 522 00:21:31,966 --> 00:21:34,200 over its length with the heat, 523 00:21:34,266 --> 00:21:35,766 and the trim here is going to be dark. 524 00:21:35,833 --> 00:21:38,133 So they don't recommend PVC be painted dark. 525 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,733 But we can paint this dark because of the expansion rate. 526 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,133 Kevin: Very nice. Okay. 527 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,700 So you cut man, Charlie and I install? 528 00:21:43,766 --> 00:21:45,566 Tom: I'll cut it, but the first thing I want to do 529 00:21:45,633 --> 00:21:48,300 is I want to take a sample piece to cut my angle up there 530 00:21:48,366 --> 00:21:49,900 because I've got two different angles. 531 00:21:49,966 --> 00:21:51,500 Charlie: Make it flush. 532 00:21:51,566 --> 00:21:53,166 Pretty good right there. 533 00:21:53,233 --> 00:21:54,633 Tom: But like any of these products, 534 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:57,033 we want to make sure we cut it using a HEPA vac 535 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,433 because of the dust in the air. You don't want to breathe it. 536 00:22:01,933 --> 00:22:09,900 [ Drills whirring ] 537 00:22:09,966 --> 00:22:11,400 Kevin: I like that one right there. 538 00:22:11,466 --> 00:22:12,666 Charlie: Nice. Kevin: Good there? 539 00:22:12,733 --> 00:22:14,133 Tom: Alright. That's it for the trim right here. 540 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,466 Kevin: Alright. So we got to finish this off. 541 00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:17,833 So next time, what do we got coming up, guys? 542 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:19,533 Charlie: Well, we have a lot of roof surface, 543 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,666 and one of my biggest concern is where we're going to drain it 544 00:22:21,733 --> 00:22:22,966 all and how we're going to get down. 545 00:22:23,033 --> 00:22:24,466 But what I'm really thinking about 546 00:22:24,533 --> 00:22:26,633 is a recessed gutter in one of the roofs. 547 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:28,533 Kevin: Recessed gutter? What could go wrong? 548 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,666 Tom: Should be interesting. Kevin: Alright. 549 00:22:29,733 --> 00:22:31,300 So until then, I'm Kevin O'Connor. 550 00:22:31,366 --> 00:22:33,300 Charlie: I'm Charlie Silva. Tom: And I'm Tom Silva. 551 00:22:33,366 --> 00:22:35,166 Kevin: For "This Old House" here in Lexington. 552 00:22:40,433 --> 00:22:42,033 Kevin: Next time on "This Old House"... 553 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,633 I'll tour the house next door, 554 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:46,666 which has a lot in common with our project. 555 00:22:46,733 --> 00:22:49,933 Tom: In a rainstorm, about 1,100 gallons of rainwater 556 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,266 will come down here in about an hour and all end up right here. 557 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:57,400 Man: And windows are an important feature in this modern home, 558 00:22:57,466 --> 00:22:59,366 and it's time to start installing them. 559 00:22:59,433 --> 00:23:01,366 Tom: And the new window is two panes of glass 560 00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:04,533 5/16 of an inch thick with argon gas in the middle. 561 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,533 So it's very energy-efficient. 562 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,700 Kevin: That's next time.