1 00:00:00,633 --> 00:00:03,033 Kevin: Today on "This Old House"... 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:04,366 Charlie: Homeowners decided to change the aluminum siding. 3 00:00:04,433 --> 00:00:05,533 And I'm gonna be honest with you, 4 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,433 I'm not sorry to see it go. 5 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:09,300 Kevin: Then, we'll see what happens to that siding 6 00:00:09,366 --> 00:00:10,866 after it leaves the jobsite. 7 00:00:12,233 --> 00:00:14,266 Tom: And we're installing a new I-beam. 8 00:00:14,333 --> 00:00:17,066 We're gonna jack it up and bolt it in place. 9 00:00:17,133 --> 00:00:18,966 [ Drill whirring ] 10 00:00:19,033 --> 00:00:20,966 [ Blues music plays ] 11 00:00:21,033 --> 00:00:26,133 ♪♪ 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,400 Man: That's it. 13 00:00:28,966 --> 00:00:30,366 [ Pipe squeaking ] 14 00:00:30,433 --> 00:00:32,366 [ Power tools whirring ] 15 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:35,666 ♪♪ 16 00:00:46,866 --> 00:00:49,900 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 17 00:00:49,966 --> 00:00:51,466 Kevin: Hey there. I'm Kevin O'Connor, 18 00:00:51,533 --> 00:00:53,300 and welcome back to "This Old House" 19 00:00:53,366 --> 00:00:55,966 and to our project here in Needham, Massachusetts, 20 00:00:56,033 --> 00:00:57,500 where Charlie and his crew 21 00:00:57,566 --> 00:00:59,433 are well under way renovating our home, 22 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:03,800 built in 1896 for our family of five. 23 00:01:03,866 --> 00:01:05,600 Now, last time we were here, 24 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:08,533 we actually had three concrete pours 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,733 to make up a new foundation for the addition 26 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,900 going off the back of this house. 27 00:01:13,966 --> 00:01:16,866 And you can see that the addition has now been framed. 28 00:01:16,933 --> 00:01:21,333 And some of the sheathing has started to go on, as well. 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,166 The addition spans three levels -- 30 00:01:23,233 --> 00:01:25,266 basement, first floor, and the second floor. 31 00:01:25,333 --> 00:01:28,966 And each level is gonna add about 200 square feet -- 32 00:01:29,033 --> 00:01:30,933 600 in total. 33 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,500 In the basement, that new space 34 00:01:32,566 --> 00:01:34,900 they want to use for a home gym. 35 00:01:34,966 --> 00:01:36,733 And they wanted that space 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,766 to be connected to the existing basement. 37 00:01:39,833 --> 00:01:41,166 And that means 38 00:01:41,233 --> 00:01:43,433 that we had to actually cut through the foundation, 39 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:45,166 new pour and old rubblestone. 40 00:01:45,233 --> 00:01:47,900 So our concrete-cutting specialist came in, 41 00:01:47,966 --> 00:01:50,200 and they had four huge blades, 42 00:01:50,266 --> 00:01:53,500 ranging from 32 to 54 inches. 43 00:01:53,566 --> 00:01:54,966 They made our cuts. 44 00:01:55,033 --> 00:01:56,533 And, then, when they were done, 45 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,233 Mark McCullough showed up with some mortar, some hand tools, 46 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:02,266 and he just sweetened up that rubblestone foundation 47 00:02:02,333 --> 00:02:05,700 so we had a nice, clean opening for a new door, 48 00:02:05,766 --> 00:02:08,933 which they decided to put right where there was an old window, 49 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,700 because there was an existing header there 50 00:02:10,766 --> 00:02:12,533 and, well, why not use it? 51 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,900 Now, the 200 additional square feet 52 00:02:14,966 --> 00:02:17,266 here on the first floor is gonna be used 53 00:02:17,333 --> 00:02:18,533 to push the kitchen 54 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,833 and the family room out towards the back, 55 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:22,433 making them a little bit bigger. 56 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:27,500 And they're gonna add a new entryway into a proper mudroom 57 00:02:27,566 --> 00:02:29,466 and a powder room. 58 00:02:29,533 --> 00:02:31,133 On the second floor, 59 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,000 the additional 200 feet is gonna be used 60 00:02:34,066 --> 00:02:36,200 to make the primary suite bigger, 61 00:02:36,266 --> 00:02:38,566 as well as making one of the kids' bedrooms 62 00:02:38,633 --> 00:02:41,100 a little bigger, as well. 63 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:42,700 Now, there's been a scope change. 64 00:02:42,766 --> 00:02:45,066 The homeowners have recently decided 65 00:02:45,133 --> 00:02:48,200 that they want to replace all of these windows. 66 00:02:48,266 --> 00:02:50,200 Not something they originally had planned, 67 00:02:50,266 --> 00:02:52,233 but the more they thought about it, they figured they had to go. 68 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:53,933 They're over 30 years old, 69 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,266 they're not the greatest windows, 70 00:02:55,333 --> 00:02:56,666 and they figured that they could do better. 71 00:02:56,733 --> 00:02:58,100 Another thing they decided to do 72 00:02:58,166 --> 00:03:02,666 was have the aluminum siding taken off. 73 00:03:02,733 --> 00:03:04,666 They don't like looking at that underneath. 74 00:03:04,733 --> 00:03:06,066 There are some wood shingles. 75 00:03:06,133 --> 00:03:07,900 Eh. You know, they're not in terrible shape, 76 00:03:07,966 --> 00:03:09,366 but those are gonna have to be addressed. 77 00:03:09,433 --> 00:03:11,366 But they definitely wanted to get rid of the aluminum, 78 00:03:11,433 --> 00:03:13,900 so we'll take care of that today. 79 00:03:13,966 --> 00:03:16,000 And last week, Charlie, 80 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:18,333 while he and his crew were demoing inside, 81 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,300 first floor all the way up to the second, 82 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:22,766 they actually bumped into a red flag, 83 00:03:22,833 --> 00:03:24,433 one that required Charlie to pull in 84 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:25,966 our abatement specialist. 85 00:03:26,033 --> 00:03:28,000 And the two of them got together to figure out 86 00:03:28,066 --> 00:03:30,100 how they were gonna deal with that problem. 87 00:03:31,633 --> 00:03:32,733 Charlie: Well, Ron, you can see 88 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,033 we're well under way in our demo. 89 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:35,333 And this was our dining room, 90 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,333 which is gonna be our new living room. 91 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,100 And this entire wall is coming down, 92 00:03:39,166 --> 00:03:41,066 so we started to gut the walls and the ceiling. 93 00:03:41,133 --> 00:03:43,666 There was even a china cabinet here that we took apart 94 00:03:43,733 --> 00:03:45,366 and we're gonna repurpose later. 95 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:48,366 And taking the plaster down, we see this ductwork. 96 00:03:48,433 --> 00:03:49,500 And it looks like asbestos to me. 97 00:03:49,566 --> 00:03:50,900 What do you think? 98 00:03:50,966 --> 00:03:52,200 Ron: Yeah, it sure does. Yeah. 99 00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:54,400 You could have it tested to confirm, 100 00:03:54,466 --> 00:03:55,666 but just looking at it, 101 00:03:55,733 --> 00:03:57,766 judging from the vintage of the ductwork 102 00:03:57,833 --> 00:03:59,500 and the color, the texture, 103 00:03:59,566 --> 00:04:02,366 that's almost certainly asbestos. 104 00:04:02,433 --> 00:04:05,400 So, asbestos was really like the wonder material back in the day. 105 00:04:05,466 --> 00:04:07,666 So, they just knew it would never, never decay. 106 00:04:07,733 --> 00:04:09,400 It didn't conduct electricity. 107 00:04:09,466 --> 00:04:13,466 It's very impervious to rot, water, and heat. 108 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:15,133 It's a great heat insulator too. 109 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,166 They used it in glues and mastics 110 00:04:17,233 --> 00:04:20,000 because it also adds a little fiber to it, makes it stronger, 111 00:04:20,066 --> 00:04:21,600 so it resists cracking. 112 00:04:21,666 --> 00:04:23,866 So you're gonna see it in a lot of materials in homes, 113 00:04:23,933 --> 00:04:25,300 'cause it just -- it was inexpensive. 114 00:04:25,366 --> 00:04:26,733 It was plentiful, easy to work with. 115 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,400 And it was very, very durable. 116 00:04:28,466 --> 00:04:29,966 But now we know that it is hazardous. 117 00:04:30,033 --> 00:04:31,400 Back in 1971, 118 00:04:31,466 --> 00:04:34,900 the EPA Clean Air Act identified asbestos as a hazard, 119 00:04:34,966 --> 00:04:36,200 so it's been a long time. 120 00:04:36,266 --> 00:04:37,833 So then it started to get rolled back. 121 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:39,833 It's been used in so many processes. 122 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:43,833 It's taken a long time to get it out of our world. 123 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:46,000 And it's still in some building materials. 124 00:04:46,066 --> 00:04:47,300 You have to be careful even today. 125 00:04:47,366 --> 00:04:49,300 -Charlie: Wow. -Ron: So the best thing to do 126 00:04:49,366 --> 00:04:51,700 would be just to take these ducts right out. 127 00:04:51,766 --> 00:04:52,833 You have this section right here, 128 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:54,533 which is pretty easy to get to. 129 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,900 And coming up over here and across there, 130 00:04:56,966 --> 00:04:58,933 even though that's not necessarily 131 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,400 gonna be impacted by the project, 132 00:05:00,466 --> 00:05:02,333 other than just putting new ceiling up, 133 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,400 that's falling apart, that's what's called friable. 134 00:05:05,466 --> 00:05:07,733 It means it can create dust, it can be pulverized, 135 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,566 and it's gonna create a hazard for your workers 136 00:05:09,633 --> 00:05:11,200 and ultimately people living here. 137 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:13,666 So you want to get that taken care of. 138 00:05:13,733 --> 00:05:15,166 Charlie: It has to come out anyway 139 00:05:15,233 --> 00:05:16,733 because that's our delivery, you know, system 140 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,300 for that vent up there. 141 00:05:18,366 --> 00:05:20,000 So that's coming out 'cause the wall is gonna be gone. 142 00:05:20,066 --> 00:05:21,533 -Ron: Right, right. -Charlie: Take it out anyway. 143 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,233 Ron: You don't have to do anything beyond that, 144 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:24,433 because by regulations, 145 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:25,933 you just have to take care of the asbestos 146 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,800 that's actually being impacted by the project. 147 00:05:27,866 --> 00:05:29,800 If there's something in another part of the house, 148 00:05:29,866 --> 00:05:31,666 in the basement or up in the attic 149 00:05:31,733 --> 00:05:34,033 not being impacted by this project, it can stay. 150 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:35,300 Charlie: Right. If you had a customer 151 00:05:35,366 --> 00:05:36,666 that wanted to leave the ductwork, 152 00:05:36,733 --> 00:05:38,666 but only remove the asbestos, 153 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:42,533 what's the next step to make sure the ductwork is clean? 154 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,966 Ron: At the end of any of these projects, 155 00:05:44,033 --> 00:05:45,466 even a big renovation project, 156 00:05:45,533 --> 00:05:47,900 it's a good idea to do a duct-cleaning process. 157 00:05:47,966 --> 00:05:49,200 You're gonna clean these ducts. 158 00:05:49,266 --> 00:05:50,633 You're gonna run agitators down them 159 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:51,900 and clean them all out. 160 00:05:51,966 --> 00:05:53,300 And there's a lot of contaminants 161 00:05:53,366 --> 00:05:56,733 from mold spores, dirt, dust, whatever you want, 162 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,800 plus probably some asbestos. 163 00:05:58,866 --> 00:06:00,933 So having that duct-cleaning process 164 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,533 when the project is all done, 165 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,500 you get yourself nice, clean, safe ducts. 166 00:06:04,566 --> 00:06:06,400 Charlie: And you'd be comfortable with that? 167 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:08,166 -Ron: Sure. Yeah. -Charlie: Alright. Well, that's great. 168 00:06:08,233 --> 00:06:12,066 Well, it's all on you now, so tell me your next steps. 169 00:06:12,133 --> 00:06:15,300 Ron: Our reason for existence is to contain the hazards. 170 00:06:15,366 --> 00:06:16,933 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 171 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,133 Protect the workers first. 172 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,400 They're gonna first put on their protective equipment. 173 00:06:22,733 --> 00:06:23,833 We've got to create a bubble, an isolation. 174 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:25,033 You've seen them before. 175 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:26,366 We've done a few of them for you. 176 00:06:26,433 --> 00:06:28,333 And then everything's gonna be sealed up 177 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:29,733 like the set of "E.T." 178 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,600 And isolate that work area, 179 00:06:31,666 --> 00:06:33,133 make sure nothing's getting out. 180 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,900 ♪♪ 181 00:06:36,966 --> 00:06:39,600 And one of the most important things we also do 182 00:06:39,666 --> 00:06:42,566 is to set up what's called HEPA-filtered negative air, 183 00:06:42,633 --> 00:06:46,733 make sure no asbestos fibers are blowing around this house 184 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,233 when we're doing our work. 185 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:49,733 We're gonna be using water -- 186 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,266 what's called amended water, which is basically soapy water, 187 00:06:52,333 --> 00:06:55,133 to mist that surface down as we're removing it 188 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,666 to make sure that we're not breaking apart 189 00:06:56,733 --> 00:06:58,866 this dry, friable asbestos 190 00:06:58,933 --> 00:07:02,300 and making dust just kind of poof all over the place. 191 00:07:02,366 --> 00:07:04,700 We're gonna just take those ducts out in sections. 192 00:07:04,766 --> 00:07:13,400 ♪♪ 193 00:07:13,466 --> 00:07:21,900 ♪♪ 194 00:07:21,966 --> 00:07:24,566 Can go into these double bags with special labels. 195 00:07:24,633 --> 00:07:28,166 Those are gonna wind up at an EPA-certified landfill. 196 00:07:28,233 --> 00:07:30,166 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 197 00:07:30,233 --> 00:07:37,766 ♪♪ 198 00:07:37,833 --> 00:07:45,366 ♪♪ 199 00:07:45,433 --> 00:07:47,766 Kevin: So, Charlie, I noticed aluminum siding on the far side 200 00:07:47,833 --> 00:07:49,900 is down a little bit off the front, as well. 201 00:07:49,966 --> 00:07:51,466 so you made good progress. -Charlie: Yeah. 202 00:07:51,533 --> 00:07:53,366 It only takes a couple hours to actually strip one side, 203 00:07:53,433 --> 00:07:54,966 so it comes off pretty quick. 204 00:07:55,033 --> 00:07:56,566 So, we're gonna start here with the aluminum 205 00:07:56,633 --> 00:07:59,166 that's over the existing crown molding. 206 00:07:59,233 --> 00:08:01,066 We're gonna start with this, take those off. 207 00:08:01,133 --> 00:08:02,866 And then we'll start removing the siding. 208 00:08:02,933 --> 00:08:04,366 But we got to be careful, 209 00:08:04,433 --> 00:08:06,433 because this aluminum drip edge is part of the roof system, 210 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:07,633 and that's staying -Kevin: Alright. 211 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:08,900 Tool of choice? 212 00:08:08,966 --> 00:08:10,066 Charlie: Flat bar and hammer. 213 00:08:10,133 --> 00:08:11,633 Pretty simple. -Kevin: Okay. 214 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:13,833 Charlie: Let's start here first. 215 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:15,300 Should come off pretty easy. 216 00:08:15,366 --> 00:08:19,566 ♪♪ 217 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:20,700 Yeah. 218 00:08:20,766 --> 00:08:23,466 ♪♪ 219 00:08:23,533 --> 00:08:24,966 Kevin: Taking off all the aluminum siding 220 00:08:25,033 --> 00:08:26,566 was not in the original plan. 221 00:08:26,633 --> 00:08:28,000 What changed the homeowners' mind? 222 00:08:28,066 --> 00:08:29,766 Charlie: Well, they always thought down the road 223 00:08:29,833 --> 00:08:31,633 they would change the siding, like a phase two. 224 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:33,866 But once they saw the work started to get done, 225 00:08:33,933 --> 00:08:35,833 just said, "You know what? Let's just do it now." 226 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:37,233 -Kevin: Yeah. -Charlie: You know what? 227 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:39,200 It's actually cheaper to do it now because we're here. 228 00:08:39,266 --> 00:08:41,800 -Kevin: It is definitely the right decision for this house. -Charlie: Oh yeah. 229 00:08:41,866 --> 00:08:45,266 Right over there is a scrap-aluminum dumpster. 230 00:08:45,333 --> 00:08:48,166 -Kevin: Wow. -Charlie: So, it's a weigh-and-pay system. 231 00:08:48,233 --> 00:08:49,333 They drop it off, re-fill it. 232 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,100 They haul it out, and they pay. 233 00:08:51,166 --> 00:08:53,166 Kevin: So just the aluminum going in that one? 234 00:08:53,233 --> 00:08:56,866 ♪♪ 235 00:08:56,933 --> 00:08:58,400 [ Drill whirs ] 236 00:08:58,466 --> 00:09:06,200 ♪♪ 237 00:09:06,266 --> 00:09:14,033 ♪♪ 238 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:21,933 ♪♪ 239 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:26,566 [ Truck beeping ] 240 00:09:26,633 --> 00:09:28,100 Kevin: I couldn't resist. 241 00:09:28,166 --> 00:09:30,766 I had to find out what was gonna happen to our aluminum. 242 00:09:30,833 --> 00:09:32,333 So I have come here. 243 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,900 This is a recycling facility 244 00:09:33,966 --> 00:09:36,100 about 20 miles from our jobsite. 245 00:09:36,166 --> 00:09:41,000 And it is the first stop for our aluminum. 246 00:09:41,066 --> 00:09:42,533 It's gonna get weighed right there. 247 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,233 That's our dumpster. That's our siding. 248 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:46,600 And I'm gonna find out 249 00:09:46,666 --> 00:09:48,566 what the rest of the journey looks like. 250 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,600 First stop's the weigh-in. 251 00:09:52,666 --> 00:09:54,533 Second stop's the dump. 252 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,800 Anthony. -Anthony: Kevin. 253 00:10:00,866 --> 00:10:02,100 How you doing, man? Nice to meet you. 254 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:03,900 Kevin: Nice meeting you. You got a busy place here. 255 00:10:03,966 --> 00:10:05,200 Anthony: It's not busy yet. 256 00:10:05,266 --> 00:10:06,600 -Kevin: Not busy? -Anthony: No. 257 00:10:06,666 --> 00:10:09,333 We get very, very busy at different times of the day -- 258 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,766 lunchtime rush, different things before the end of the day. 259 00:10:11,833 --> 00:10:12,933 Kevin: Alright. 260 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,666 So, first off, how's our pile look? 261 00:10:14,733 --> 00:10:15,866 Anthony: Looks great. 262 00:10:15,933 --> 00:10:17,700 It's nice, clean, all aluminum siding, 263 00:10:17,766 --> 00:10:19,033 just what we're looking for. 264 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:20,666 Kevin: What happens with this pile now? 265 00:10:20,733 --> 00:10:22,033 Anthony: So, this material, 266 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:24,900 he's putting it right inside the hopper of our baler. 267 00:10:24,966 --> 00:10:27,433 There's a gentleman up top doing the control. 268 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:30,833 So, as he puts a bunch in, that gentleman will hit the pusher. 269 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:33,433 And that allows a block to come over 270 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:36,233 and squeeze it down to make it more compact. 271 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:37,800 So they'll do that a few different times 272 00:10:37,866 --> 00:10:39,766 throughout this process. 273 00:10:39,833 --> 00:10:41,900 Kevin: And that's a bale of wire coming off? 274 00:10:41,966 --> 00:10:44,566 Anthony: That's a bale of Romex wire right there. 275 00:10:44,633 --> 00:10:46,833 It will come out as a finished product, 276 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:49,866 and then it will be stored until we ship it out. 277 00:10:49,933 --> 00:10:52,733 And this specific material will get shipped up to Canada. 278 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,733 Kevin: So, how do you guys classify aluminum? 279 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,266 Are there different grades, different types? 280 00:10:59,333 --> 00:11:01,866 Anthony: As a company, we probably have 281 00:11:01,933 --> 00:11:05,100 about 25 to 30 different commodities of aluminum. 282 00:11:05,166 --> 00:11:08,966 And that ranges anywhere from aluminum that has iron, 283 00:11:09,033 --> 00:11:11,600 such as a transmission or an engine block... 284 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:15,666 all the way to clean, Mil-grade stuff like this here, 285 00:11:15,733 --> 00:11:19,433 or your bare, extruded pipe. 286 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:21,533 Kevin: And your guy's not gonna push out a block 287 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,133 until at least all of this is in there, right? 288 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,633 -Anthony: Yeah, yeah. 100%. -Kevin: Okay. 289 00:11:26,700 --> 00:11:29,433 So, you guys are sorting more than just aluminum. 290 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:32,033 And I'm actually seeing a lot of people hand-picking stuff, 291 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,600 which surprises me, Anthony. 292 00:11:33,666 --> 00:11:37,966 Anthony: So, the scrap metal has so many different commodities 293 00:11:38,033 --> 00:11:39,800 and different nuances to it. 294 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:42,333 So, this here is our non-ferrous scale area. 295 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,000 So any customer who has their copper, their aluminum, 296 00:11:47,066 --> 00:11:49,466 brass, stainless steel, things of that nature, 297 00:11:49,533 --> 00:11:50,966 they'll come up here to get weighed 298 00:11:51,033 --> 00:11:52,966 compared to the iron yard outside. -Kevin: Right. 299 00:11:53,033 --> 00:11:56,800 Anthony: And if it has to get cut up and processed to be upgraded, 300 00:11:56,866 --> 00:11:58,233 it will go into a pile. 301 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:00,666 And everything else has its own home 302 00:12:00,733 --> 00:12:02,233 within the yard for processing. 303 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:03,600 Kevin: What do you mean by upgraded? 304 00:12:03,666 --> 00:12:06,600 Anthony: So, the more purer form of a metal, 305 00:12:06,666 --> 00:12:08,133 the higher value it is. 306 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,600 So, you take a piece of copper. 307 00:12:10,666 --> 00:12:13,366 So, in order to get, you know, a high, number-one copper, 308 00:12:13,433 --> 00:12:15,266 you need to get rid of any impurity. 309 00:12:15,333 --> 00:12:18,433 So we take this piece here, and with our shears, 310 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:21,500 our guys are gonna cut off all the elbows and fittings, 311 00:12:21,566 --> 00:12:23,800 and then you'll get straight runs of number-one copper, 312 00:12:23,866 --> 00:12:25,066 and you'll get little pieces of number two, 313 00:12:25,133 --> 00:12:26,433 which is what we buy it at. 314 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:28,666 Kevin: And where are the impurities in an elbow? 315 00:12:28,733 --> 00:12:30,966 -Anthony: So, you have your solder joints. -Kevin: Oh. 316 00:12:31,033 --> 00:12:32,566 Anthony: Nowadays, a lot of people use ProPress, 317 00:12:32,633 --> 00:12:35,966 so the rubber gasket on the inside of that is an impurity. 318 00:12:36,033 --> 00:12:37,600 -Kevin: So something like this? -Anthony: Something like that. 319 00:12:37,666 --> 00:12:39,466 We would just ship that as a number two. 320 00:12:39,533 --> 00:12:41,800 We wouldn't waste the time to upgrade a little piece of that. 321 00:12:41,866 --> 00:12:44,133 Kevin: But when you've got this much, it's worth upgrading? 322 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,400 -Anthony: 100%. -Kevin: So when you buy this, 323 00:12:47,466 --> 00:12:49,700 you're just paying sort of a flat rate, 324 00:12:49,766 --> 00:12:52,733 and then you decide whether or not it's worth your time? 325 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,100 Anthony: In labor... 326 00:12:54,166 --> 00:12:55,266 -Anthony: To chop it up. -Kevin: ...to chop it up. 327 00:12:55,333 --> 00:12:56,933 To get it to the next upgrade. 328 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,333 -Anthony: Yeah. -Kevin: Wow. Okay. 329 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,433 Let's go see how our aluminum's getting processed. 330 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,133 Oh, look at that. 331 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,733 So, took Charlie and I a couple hours to get it off the house. 332 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,300 Took you guys about five minutes 333 00:13:09,366 --> 00:13:11,466 to get it into a nice, little bale. 334 00:13:11,533 --> 00:13:14,533 So, all of our siding went in there. 335 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,966 What do you think this bale weighs? 336 00:13:17,033 --> 00:13:18,600 Anthony: Average bale of aluminum, 337 00:13:18,666 --> 00:13:21,166 anywhere from 1,000 to 1,200 pounds or so. -Kevin: Right. 338 00:13:21,233 --> 00:13:22,666 Off to Canada? -Anthony: Off to Canada. 339 00:13:22,733 --> 00:13:24,100 Kevin: And then maybe right back to the States 340 00:13:24,166 --> 00:13:25,800 in the form of siding. -Anthony: Within a few weeks. 341 00:13:25,866 --> 00:13:28,933 Kevin: Awesome. So, what do we make? 342 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,566 Anthony: Ah. So, your can of aluminum weighed 780 pounds. 343 00:13:34,633 --> 00:13:38,166 It was valued at 62 cents per pound, 344 00:13:38,233 --> 00:13:40,233 for a tally of $483. 345 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:41,833 -Kevin: Okay. -Anthony: Minus a trucking fee, 346 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:43,466 so you're looking at about $300 cash. 347 00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:45,500 Kevin: $300. Can you do any better. 348 00:13:45,566 --> 00:13:47,833 [ Laughs ] -Anthony: On the next one. 349 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:49,800 Kevin: I appreciate it, Anthony. You guys are awesome. 350 00:13:49,866 --> 00:13:51,000 Thank you. -Anthony: Appreciate it. 351 00:13:51,066 --> 00:13:53,000 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 352 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:55,866 ♪♪ 353 00:13:55,933 --> 00:13:58,700 Kevin: After Ron's crew took care of the ductwork 354 00:13:58,766 --> 00:14:00,233 with the asbestos on it, 355 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:03,133 Charlie's crew came in, and they built us four temporary walls, 356 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,733 one on my left right here, 357 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,300 with a second one just directly beneath it 358 00:14:06,366 --> 00:14:07,566 going into the basement, 359 00:14:07,633 --> 00:14:08,800 another one to my right, 360 00:14:08,866 --> 00:14:10,166 with a second one going beneath that one 361 00:14:10,233 --> 00:14:11,766 to the basement, as well. 362 00:14:11,833 --> 00:14:15,100 With those up, we were able to take out this wall right here 363 00:14:15,166 --> 00:14:17,966 that originally separated the kitchen from the dining room 364 00:14:18,033 --> 00:14:20,200 so that we can open up all of this space. 365 00:14:20,266 --> 00:14:21,900 And with it gone -- [laughs] -- 366 00:14:21,966 --> 00:14:25,833 we now have to put in a big beam to support all this weight 367 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:28,133 so we can take those temporary walls down. 368 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,833 And for that, we turn to Mr. Silva. 369 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:31,466 Hey, Pops. -Tom: Hey, Kevin. How are you? 370 00:14:31,533 --> 00:14:32,833 Kevin: Good. So you fit. 371 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:34,900 Tom: I did. No problem at all. 372 00:14:34,966 --> 00:14:36,866 A little bump here or there, but that's not bad. 373 00:14:36,933 --> 00:14:38,500 -Kevin: So a long beam, right? -Tom: Yeah. 374 00:14:38,566 --> 00:14:40,566 Kevin: And I noticed the metal plate back there. 375 00:14:40,633 --> 00:14:41,700 Is that where it starts? 376 00:14:41,766 --> 00:14:43,166 Tom: That steel plate right there, 377 00:14:43,233 --> 00:14:45,400 so we can bolt the end of this steel beam 378 00:14:45,466 --> 00:14:48,033 that's gonna run in here into that steel beam. 379 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:51,333 That steel beam is supported by the column on that side 380 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,533 and the one on the outside wall. 381 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,700 And so that's gonna carry half of this load 382 00:14:55,766 --> 00:14:57,233 right there on that beam. 383 00:14:57,300 --> 00:14:59,666 And the other half is gonna end up down here. 384 00:14:59,733 --> 00:15:01,533 About two feet in from this corner, 385 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,233 it's gonna be a steel column 386 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:06,600 to the wooden, center-bearing beam of the house, 387 00:15:06,666 --> 00:15:09,433 and another steel column and a footing in the basement. 388 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:10,833 So it's gonna carry a lot. 389 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:13,466 Kevin: How long are we talking in total, generally? 390 00:15:13,533 --> 00:15:16,200 Tom: 24 feet and a little over 4 inches. 391 00:15:16,266 --> 00:15:17,500 Kevin: Okay. So long beam. 392 00:15:17,566 --> 00:15:19,000 How are we getting that into the house? 393 00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:20,933 Tom: Well, we're gonna bring the beam in through the window, 394 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,700 and we're gonna bring it in in a couple of dolly jacks 395 00:15:23,766 --> 00:15:26,466 that will allow us to move it and pick it up 396 00:15:26,533 --> 00:15:28,166 and push it right into place. -Kevin: Okay. 397 00:15:28,233 --> 00:15:29,466 Tom: It's a big beam, and it's heavy. 398 00:15:29,533 --> 00:15:31,466 It's probably close to 2,500 pounds. 399 00:15:31,533 --> 00:15:33,466 Kevin: So 20-some odd feet long. 400 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:35,166 And how high are we talking? 401 00:15:35,233 --> 00:15:36,833 Tom: The beam is gonna be 16 inches, 402 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:38,500 so it's gonna hang down here somewhere. 403 00:15:38,566 --> 00:15:39,900 -Kevin: Right there. -Tom: Alright? 404 00:15:39,966 --> 00:15:41,233 And it's 11 inches wide. 405 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,233 So we have to make an allowance to get the beam in, 406 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:45,033 because it's padded with wood. 407 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,633 Now, remember, this is an I-beam. 408 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:48,633 It's got a wide flange at the top, 409 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:51,066 a centerpiece, and another flange on the bottom. 410 00:15:51,133 --> 00:15:54,100 We need to pad it with wood to make the marriage 411 00:15:54,166 --> 00:15:57,533 between the framing and the steel 412 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,466 wood-to-wood connection. 413 00:15:59,533 --> 00:16:01,466 And we're gonna make that connection 414 00:16:01,533 --> 00:16:03,500 with the hanger like this. 415 00:16:03,566 --> 00:16:07,500 This is an old work hanger, so it fits the old joist better. 416 00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:09,300 And we're gonna nail it in, and we nail it -- 417 00:16:09,366 --> 00:16:11,200 we'll nail it at a very slight angle 418 00:16:11,266 --> 00:16:13,500 that will draw these up nice and tight. 419 00:16:13,566 --> 00:16:15,066 Then we'll fill these holes, 420 00:16:15,133 --> 00:16:16,800 and we won't have any squeaking later on. 421 00:16:16,866 --> 00:16:18,800 Kevin: Okay. Looks like a bunch of notches were made. 422 00:16:18,866 --> 00:16:20,200 I got my belt. 423 00:16:20,266 --> 00:16:21,766 I can help you make the last, what, four or five? 424 00:16:21,833 --> 00:16:23,266 Tom: Yeah, we got four or five more to go. 425 00:16:23,333 --> 00:16:24,766 I just squared these down. 426 00:16:24,833 --> 00:16:28,033 What we want to do is square them down from the floor above. 427 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:30,400 So I just hold my square up against the floor, 428 00:16:30,466 --> 00:16:32,233 line it up with my chalk line, 429 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:35,066 bring it down, mark it on each side. 430 00:16:35,133 --> 00:16:37,633 And then we'll do a saw and make a cut. 431 00:16:37,700 --> 00:16:39,033 -Kevin: Just coming out. -Tom: Yep. 432 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:40,400 If you get that out, it will be good. 433 00:16:40,466 --> 00:16:42,200 It will make it easier for us to get the saw in. 434 00:16:42,266 --> 00:16:44,200 [ Mid-tempo music plays ] 435 00:16:44,266 --> 00:16:54,100 ♪♪ 436 00:16:54,166 --> 00:17:04,000 ♪♪ 437 00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:13,900 ♪♪ 438 00:17:13,966 --> 00:17:15,433 Kevin: Oh, Tommy, you're a beast. 439 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:16,633 Tom: [ Laughs ] 440 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:18,566 Alright. Now we can get the beam in. 441 00:17:18,633 --> 00:17:20,166 Kevin: I'll get this cleaned up. 442 00:17:20,233 --> 00:17:26,733 ♪♪ 443 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:33,300 ♪♪ 444 00:17:33,366 --> 00:17:35,466 Tom: Alright. We just took the beam off the truck 445 00:17:35,533 --> 00:17:36,666 to get it down on the ground. 446 00:17:36,733 --> 00:17:38,100 We got to flip it over. It's upside down. 447 00:17:38,166 --> 00:17:41,033 Reposition it and then slide it in. 448 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:45,366 ♪♪ 449 00:17:45,433 --> 00:17:47,633 Alright. The beam's coming in. 450 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,633 They've got it cabled right here in the center, 451 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:52,400 so it's doing a balancing act. 452 00:17:52,466 --> 00:17:54,133 They're gonna get it in as far as they can, 453 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,133 and then we're gonna reposition the cable. 454 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,033 Alright. They're positioning one of the jacks. 455 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:01,666 They want to carry the load 456 00:18:01,733 --> 00:18:03,600 of the end of the beam right here. 457 00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:06,066 You can see the strap that's on the end of the beam 458 00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:07,900 that's connected to the Lull. 459 00:18:07,966 --> 00:18:10,266 And basically, he's holding the end weight. 460 00:18:10,333 --> 00:18:12,100 They're resting the beam right here 461 00:18:12,166 --> 00:18:14,433 to take the weight off of the cable 462 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:16,566 along with the jack down the other end. 463 00:18:16,633 --> 00:18:18,066 We're gonna roll it on the jack. 464 00:18:18,133 --> 00:18:25,866 ♪♪ 465 00:18:25,933 --> 00:18:27,466 Hey. Now you're coming for it. 466 00:18:27,533 --> 00:18:29,300 Now you're coming, now you're coming. 467 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:32,633 Alright. You can see they got it in 468 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:34,733 as far as they can go right now, the cable, right? 469 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,633 Now they got to reposition this cable. 470 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:39,500 They're gonna slide it down to bring it in a little more. 471 00:18:39,566 --> 00:18:43,766 ♪♪ 472 00:18:43,833 --> 00:18:45,900 Whoop. Watch that side. 473 00:18:47,333 --> 00:18:48,700 This wooden beam -- 474 00:18:48,766 --> 00:18:50,600 this is the main beam of the house, the center beam. 475 00:18:50,666 --> 00:18:51,866 Wooden beams -- 476 00:18:51,933 --> 00:18:54,100 old wooden beams get big cracks in them. 477 00:18:54,166 --> 00:18:55,933 That's called checks. 478 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,166 Now, as long as they're running with the beam, like they are, 479 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:01,600 believe it or not, it doesn't weaken the beam. 480 00:19:01,666 --> 00:19:04,933 So, you have a wooden beam, top and bottom. 481 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,633 It's parallel, 'cause that's how it comes out of the sawmill. 482 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:09,500 If you have a check, or a crack, 483 00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:12,533 that runs down the side of the beam, guess what happens? 484 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,266 If there's no pressure under part of the post, or the beam, 485 00:19:16,333 --> 00:19:18,333 it will roll down slightly. 486 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,966 That takes my parallel of the beam out and gives it a curve. 487 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:25,533 So what we just did... -Man: Yeah, it's going. 488 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,400 Tom: ...is jack this edge of the beam back up, 489 00:19:28,466 --> 00:19:32,066 closing the check, or the crack, making it parallel again 490 00:19:32,133 --> 00:19:33,966 so the lally column would go in. 491 00:19:35,066 --> 00:19:37,100 [ Drill whirring ] 492 00:19:40,266 --> 00:19:42,466 Oh, let it down. 493 00:19:46,133 --> 00:19:48,166 Man: That should be it. 494 00:19:48,233 --> 00:19:52,600 Tom: Okay. Now we're ready to put the I-beam back into place. 495 00:19:52,666 --> 00:19:54,866 We're gonna put it in against here, 496 00:19:54,933 --> 00:19:56,366 get it jacked where it goes, 497 00:19:56,433 --> 00:19:58,700 and put the second lally column in over here. 498 00:19:58,766 --> 00:20:00,500 All that load's getting pushed down 499 00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:02,100 to the footing that's in the basement. 500 00:20:02,166 --> 00:20:04,500 [ Drill whirring ] 501 00:20:04,566 --> 00:20:05,800 Man: Slow up. 502 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,333 Tom: We're putting some temporary bracing underneath the beam. 503 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,466 That way, we can reposition the jacks as needed 504 00:20:13,533 --> 00:20:15,700 and make sure everything's safe. 505 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Alright. We're almost there. 506 00:20:19,066 --> 00:20:21,200 We've got the beam up under the floor joists. 507 00:20:21,266 --> 00:20:24,866 Now we have to slide it over so it goes in the pocket. 508 00:20:24,933 --> 00:20:28,833 So a little bit of finagling, a lot of safety watching here. 509 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:30,966 We don't want anything to break and snap and come down. 510 00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:34,766 Charlie: Actually, you know what? 511 00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:35,933 Have him go up a little bit. 512 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,166 Keep going. 513 00:20:37,233 --> 00:20:38,866 There you go. Go, go, go, go, go, go. 514 00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:40,400 Tom: You got pressure off of it now. 515 00:20:40,466 --> 00:20:42,900 Charlie: Good. Alright, we're past it. 516 00:20:42,966 --> 00:20:44,133 Tom: You're alright. 517 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,966 [ Drill whirring ] 518 00:20:47,033 --> 00:20:48,466 Charlie: A little bit of weight there. 519 00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:49,633 Man: Yeah. Now screw it in. 520 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:51,733 [ Drill whirring ] 521 00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:54,566 There you go. 522 00:20:54,633 --> 00:20:57,100 ♪♪ 523 00:20:57,166 --> 00:20:59,366 Man: You're doing it, Samuel. You're doing it. 524 00:20:59,433 --> 00:21:03,866 Tom: Alright. Our beam is in the slot that we made all the way across. 525 00:21:03,933 --> 00:21:06,700 Now, one of the problems that we have to think about here 526 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:08,266 is because the beams got to go up 527 00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:10,600 that much more on the other end 528 00:21:10,666 --> 00:21:13,833 and still be about a quarter of an inch below the subfloor. 529 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:16,100 But when we hit here, 530 00:21:16,166 --> 00:21:18,366 because the house had a little dip in it, 531 00:21:18,433 --> 00:21:20,400 this dip is gonna be pushed. 532 00:21:20,466 --> 00:21:21,966 This beam is gonna push against 533 00:21:22,033 --> 00:21:24,833 the underside of the subfloor tightly, 534 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:27,066 which means when it comes time 535 00:21:27,133 --> 00:21:30,466 to put all of the timber hangers on the joist, 536 00:21:30,533 --> 00:21:34,133 we're gonna have to jack the joists individually, 537 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,866 making the space above the beam equal along the run. 538 00:21:38,933 --> 00:21:42,566 Alright. He's putting the last nut on the eight bolts. 539 00:21:42,633 --> 00:21:45,466 Once he gets it caught, he's gonna use the impact wrench, 540 00:21:45,533 --> 00:21:47,333 tighten them all up at the same time, 541 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,133 and they slide the beam in place. 542 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,366 We'll see. 543 00:21:51,466 --> 00:21:53,100 [ Drill whirring ] 544 00:21:53,166 --> 00:21:54,633 Charlie: This is a spud wrench -- 545 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:57,666 probably the one tool I don't have, until today. 546 00:21:59,433 --> 00:22:02,333 Line the holes with this end of the spud wrench, 547 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,433 then flip it around to tighten up the bolts. 548 00:22:10,566 --> 00:22:14,200 [ Drill whirring ] 549 00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:16,166 Kevin: Nice, big beam. Look at that, huh? 550 00:22:16,233 --> 00:22:17,200 Tom: Oh, yeah. What a difference. 551 00:22:17,266 --> 00:22:18,266 Kevin: So what's next? 552 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:19,733 Tom: Well, we have about six joists 553 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,133 that are really badly damaged. 554 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,266 We have to repair those and then install the hangers. 555 00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:24,933 Charlie: And then we can take the temp walls down 556 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,666 and even the old exterior wall. 557 00:22:26,733 --> 00:22:28,166 Kevin: Talk about opened up. That will do it, right? 558 00:22:28,233 --> 00:22:29,400 -Tom: Yeah, absolutely. -Kevin: Alright. 559 00:22:29,466 --> 00:22:31,100 So until next time, I'm Kevin O'Connor. 560 00:22:31,166 --> 00:22:32,266 Charlie: And I'm Charlie Silva. 561 00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:33,966 Tom: And I'm Tom Silva. 562 00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:35,100 Kevin: For "This Old House" here in Needham. 563 00:22:35,166 --> 00:22:36,466 Really nice. 564 00:22:36,533 --> 00:22:37,966 -Tom: Makes a big difference. -Kevin: Oh my God. 565 00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:44,000 Kevin: Next time on "This Old House"... 566 00:22:44,066 --> 00:22:45,366 Richard: Even with our new addition, 567 00:22:45,433 --> 00:22:47,666 we're reusing the existing HVAC system, 568 00:22:47,733 --> 00:22:50,066 but we're adding some strategic ductwork. 569 00:22:50,133 --> 00:22:52,433 Kevin: Then, we're gonna show you which insulation we're using 570 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,000 on our roof system and why. 571 00:22:54,066 --> 00:22:57,766 Oh, boy. I see an uninsulated roof. 572 00:22:57,833 --> 00:23:00,333 Charlie: Yeah. HVAC system lives up there. 573 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,666 2x6, rough framing, no insulation. 574 00:23:02,733 --> 00:23:04,700 Tom: And we're getting back to the basics, 575 00:23:04,766 --> 00:23:08,766 installing a new double-hung window into an existing opening. 576 00:23:08,833 --> 00:23:10,433 Kevin: That's next time.