1 00:00:13,014 --> 00:00:14,724 Central Dispatch. 2 00:00:14,724 --> 00:00:17,894 Yeah, this is, um, the National Weather Service of Muskegon. 3 00:00:17,894 --> 00:00:19,187 I was calling to make sure 4 00:00:19,187 --> 00:00:21,898 that the person that called me was not a hoax. 5 00:00:21,898 --> 00:00:23,691 He was one of our dispatchers. 6 00:00:24,734 --> 00:00:27,195 We've been chasing lights down... all over down that way. 7 00:00:27,195 --> 00:00:29,530 - What do they look like? - I don't know. 8 00:00:29,614 --> 00:00:30,948 We got a report of 9 00:00:31,032 --> 00:00:34,368 something going through the air with lights on it horizontally. 10 00:00:35,787 --> 00:00:37,789 Three to four lights... 11 00:00:40,458 --> 00:00:44,128 going at a high rate of speed up and down and all over the sky. 12 00:00:47,715 --> 00:00:49,383 What did I see that night? 13 00:00:49,467 --> 00:00:54,263 What did I see going 72,000 miles per hour at least? 14 00:00:57,141 --> 00:00:59,435 This is tough for a scientist to admit, 15 00:00:59,519 --> 00:01:02,980 and so I'm just gonna have to say... 16 00:01:04,774 --> 00:01:08,611 the way they acted, even though intelligent, 17 00:01:09,487 --> 00:01:11,197 they didn't act human. 18 00:01:57,577 --> 00:01:59,954 When I was a kid, people made fun of me. 19 00:02:02,165 --> 00:02:04,709 They used to say, "It could only happen to Jack." 20 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,881 {\an8}I was like the epitome of coincidences. 21 00:02:09,881 --> 00:02:11,257 {\an8}And strange ones. 22 00:02:18,723 --> 00:02:21,392 {\an8}I grew up in Muskegon, which is in West Michigan, 23 00:02:22,143 --> 00:02:23,603 and it's a beautiful area. 24 00:02:23,603 --> 00:02:25,605 You got the four seasons. 25 00:02:29,442 --> 00:02:31,903 So this was my childhood home right here. 26 00:02:33,321 --> 00:02:38,075 I can remember standing right out front being three and four years old, 27 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:40,661 being very curious about the world. 28 00:02:41,579 --> 00:02:44,248 You know, even as far back as I can remember, 29 00:02:44,332 --> 00:02:48,085 I was very interested in astronomy and science, 30 00:02:48,169 --> 00:02:50,129 and then, of course, weather too. 31 00:02:52,715 --> 00:02:55,927 I started learning how to read weather maps 32 00:02:55,927 --> 00:02:58,054 at about five, six years old. 33 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:02,642 My parents lived on Lake Michigan. 34 00:03:02,642 --> 00:03:06,270 I could see the storms rolling across Lake Michigan. 35 00:03:06,854 --> 00:03:11,317 And that's how I learned that I wanted to be a meteorologist 36 00:03:11,317 --> 00:03:13,402 ever since I was six years old. 37 00:03:16,322 --> 00:03:20,826 On March 8th, 1994, I was 29 going on 30. 38 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:25,539 I had been at the Muskegon National Weather Service 39 00:03:25,623 --> 00:03:27,792 for three years at that point. 40 00:03:30,711 --> 00:03:34,006 I was the 4:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. shift, 41 00:03:34,090 --> 00:03:38,094 and I was alone on duty for the night, which is not unusual. 42 00:03:39,095 --> 00:03:41,389 Temperatures were around 20 degrees. 43 00:03:41,389 --> 00:03:45,685 It was a light wind, and we had very good visibility. 44 00:03:46,269 --> 00:03:48,854 Probably easily 80 miles. 45 00:03:50,523 --> 00:03:53,734 I wasn't expecting that there was gonna be anything going on that night 46 00:03:53,818 --> 00:03:56,362 because there was nothing going on weather-wise. 47 00:03:56,362 --> 00:03:59,031 It was a very fair, clear, cold night. 48 00:04:12,378 --> 00:04:14,630 That night it was very clear. 49 00:04:17,216 --> 00:04:20,344 I was in the kitchen talking to my friend Edna. 50 00:04:20,428 --> 00:04:23,806 {\an8}And we had a corded phone at the time. 51 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,727 {\an8}And I like to pace when I'm on the phone. 52 00:04:28,477 --> 00:04:33,065 My husband was in the basement watching TV downstairs on the couch. 53 00:04:52,084 --> 00:04:54,170 It was about nine o'clock at night. 54 00:05:03,304 --> 00:05:05,306 And I walked to my kitchen window. 55 00:05:05,890 --> 00:05:08,059 That's when I saw the lights. 56 00:05:08,642 --> 00:05:11,729 And the glow of the light that was outside, 57 00:05:11,729 --> 00:05:12,813 it was so bright 58 00:05:13,397 --> 00:05:15,733 that I thought that it was a huge full moon. 59 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:18,194 I did a double take. 60 00:05:18,194 --> 00:05:21,614 No, I saw four lights. "That can't be a full moon." 61 00:05:22,615 --> 00:05:26,118 So I said, "Edna, I think there's a UFO in my backyard." 62 00:05:28,287 --> 00:05:30,623 The lights were in a straight line. 63 00:05:33,209 --> 00:05:34,543 They were stationary. 64 00:05:34,627 --> 00:05:37,630 They were just above our tree line in our pasture. 65 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,966 The one to the far left 66 00:05:42,051 --> 00:05:44,595 moved slowly across the tree line. 67 00:05:45,679 --> 00:05:48,891 Then slowly came back into formation again. 68 00:05:50,101 --> 00:05:53,938 And the other one to the far right, would be to the west, 69 00:05:54,647 --> 00:05:56,482 was starting to slowly move. 70 00:05:57,817 --> 00:06:01,153 Then it was gone. It was just gone in a flash. 71 00:06:02,154 --> 00:06:03,989 So then I'm left with three. 72 00:06:06,742 --> 00:06:09,954 I never saw a ship or ships. 73 00:06:09,954 --> 00:06:13,666 The lights were so bright, I could never see beyond them. 74 00:06:23,676 --> 00:06:27,346 I watched them totally for about a half hour. 75 00:06:29,056 --> 00:06:31,016 I wish I had a camera back then. 76 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:34,186 We didn't have cell phones that could take a picture. 77 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:44,530 What surprised me most was there was no sound from the UFO. 78 00:06:46,365 --> 00:06:48,325 My horse was out in the field, 79 00:06:48,409 --> 00:06:53,122 and she was grazing and nodding off. 80 00:06:53,622 --> 00:06:56,292 She didn't even know they were above her head. 81 00:06:57,376 --> 00:06:58,836 Not a sound. 82 00:06:59,420 --> 00:07:01,797 {\an8}That's the thing that stands out the most to me. 83 00:07:02,381 --> 00:07:03,549 {\an8}Dead silent. 84 00:07:20,816 --> 00:07:24,445 In 1994, I was married, 85 00:07:24,445 --> 00:07:26,322 my daughter was ten, 86 00:07:26,322 --> 00:07:28,741 and my son was 14. 87 00:07:28,741 --> 00:07:33,954 My husband Daryl and I had retired to bed, and the kids were in the living room. 88 00:07:55,184 --> 00:07:57,686 Joey started screaming. 89 00:07:57,770 --> 00:08:01,440 Just, you know, "You gotta see this. Come in here. You gotta see this." 90 00:08:02,691 --> 00:08:05,402 Our whole living room was like a spotlight. 91 00:08:05,486 --> 00:08:06,654 It was so bright. 92 00:08:13,786 --> 00:08:15,204 911. 93 00:08:15,204 --> 00:08:16,747 Um, we were just wondering. 94 00:08:16,747 --> 00:08:20,876 Have you heard anything about these lights that are flickering up here? 95 00:08:22,044 --> 00:08:23,087 It's like a group. 96 00:08:23,087 --> 00:08:26,298 It looks like a string of Christmas lights that's way up in the sky. 97 00:08:26,382 --> 00:08:28,551 No, ma'am. 98 00:08:28,551 --> 00:08:30,594 And we wondered if you'd heard about it. 99 00:08:30,678 --> 00:08:31,637 Not a thing. 100 00:08:31,637 --> 00:08:33,722 You might wanna have someone take a look. 101 00:08:33,806 --> 00:08:36,684 It's different. I've never seen anything like this. 102 00:08:37,268 --> 00:08:42,398 I don't know. It's strange, but it's right out east, southeast. 103 00:08:42,398 --> 00:08:43,607 It's way up. 104 00:08:44,316 --> 00:08:49,196 You can hear my kids screaming in the background on the 911 tape. 105 00:08:50,322 --> 00:08:53,576 So my husband, Daryl, said, "Let's go outside." 106 00:08:57,413 --> 00:09:00,416 And this thing is roughly 300 feet. 107 00:09:01,917 --> 00:09:04,169 It was right across the street, 108 00:09:04,253 --> 00:09:05,963 and it wasn't doing anything 109 00:09:05,963 --> 00:09:09,258 but going as slow as it possibly could. 110 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:12,928 It was not like a plane. 111 00:09:13,012 --> 00:09:15,055 It was not like a blimp. 112 00:09:15,139 --> 00:09:18,434 It was not like anything I've ever seen. 113 00:09:18,434 --> 00:09:22,104 It was, I said, of a chrome material. 114 00:09:23,314 --> 00:09:25,357 It was a cylinder shape. 115 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:30,070 And they were going around in a circle. 116 00:09:30,612 --> 00:09:33,157 Saw no windows, anything like that. 117 00:09:33,157 --> 00:09:35,451 And it had lights coming out of the bottom. 118 00:09:37,870 --> 00:09:40,039 It's just like a circle 119 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:42,416 of a lot of different lights flickering. 120 00:09:44,418 --> 00:09:46,879 I said to Daryl, "What is that?" 121 00:09:48,464 --> 00:09:49,423 And 122 00:09:50,174 --> 00:09:52,426 he said, "Holly, it's a UFO." 123 00:09:57,139 --> 00:09:59,016 We stood out there for about, 124 00:09:59,016 --> 00:10:03,270 I wanna say 15, 20 minutes before Officer Velthouse got there. 125 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,651 I was in my patrol vehicle 126 00:10:09,735 --> 00:10:13,238 when I received a 911 call 127 00:10:13,322 --> 00:10:17,868 to respond to the residence of Holly Graves and her family. 128 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:22,331 {\an8}My thought on UFOs was "skeptical." 129 00:10:23,165 --> 00:10:28,170 I was trying to think of any kind of explainable situation 130 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:29,213 that was going on, 131 00:10:29,213 --> 00:10:34,510 whether it was somebody shining lights or maybe something was on fire. 132 00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:40,099 I was met outside by Holly Graves and her husband. 133 00:10:46,939 --> 00:10:48,482 I saw two lights, 134 00:10:48,482 --> 00:10:52,403 and they were both moving in a southwest direction. 135 00:10:52,403 --> 00:10:57,908 They were consistent with the flight maybe of an aircraft of some sort. 136 00:10:57,908 --> 00:10:59,743 They were that high in the sky. 137 00:11:00,536 --> 00:11:04,081 The lights went from white to green, 138 00:11:04,081 --> 00:11:06,083 and they were fairly close together. 139 00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:09,503 As I watched them, 140 00:11:09,503 --> 00:11:11,713 the one light caught my attention, 141 00:11:11,797 --> 00:11:15,843 and it moved from the other light in a quick manner, 142 00:11:15,843 --> 00:11:17,803 and then kept going southwest. 143 00:11:17,803 --> 00:11:19,888 That was noticeable to me. 144 00:11:19,972 --> 00:11:23,475 Different than any normal aircraft that I've seen. 145 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,145 And Officer Velthouse and my husband 146 00:11:26,145 --> 00:11:30,274 stood in the front yard for another ten minutes or so. 147 00:11:31,567 --> 00:11:33,527 And then Officer Velthouse left. 148 00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:39,616 At that point, I heard Daryl scream. 149 00:11:40,576 --> 00:11:44,079 He said it just, bam, broke up into five... 150 00:11:45,873 --> 00:11:47,207 before it disappeared. 151 00:11:55,883 --> 00:11:59,011 As I was trying to follow the lights, 152 00:11:59,011 --> 00:12:00,846 we were getting more calls 153 00:12:00,846 --> 00:12:03,891 through Ottawa County Central Dispatch. 154 00:12:05,476 --> 00:12:06,769 911. 155 00:12:06,769 --> 00:12:10,105 There's four or five lights, and they're all flashing right in a row 156 00:12:10,189 --> 00:12:11,982 from the top all the way down to the bottom. 157 00:12:11,982 --> 00:12:14,276 - Uh-huh. - It took off real fast. 158 00:12:14,985 --> 00:12:17,863 There was four lights, and they were blinking back and forth. 159 00:12:17,863 --> 00:12:20,991 And there's no way... I mean, a plane is not that wide. 160 00:12:20,991 --> 00:12:23,660 And then it started... And then it went down to three lights. 161 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:27,706 And then it started to turn around. Like, I mean, it was a circular motion. 162 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:31,126 Then it started going up and down, and then it went to two lights 163 00:12:31,210 --> 00:12:32,336 and did the same thing. 164 00:12:32,336 --> 00:12:34,671 And now it's one, and it's spinning in a circle. 165 00:12:35,172 --> 00:12:36,840 They're just kinda hanging there. 166 00:12:36,924 --> 00:12:39,343 They came up as a group, then they kind of split. 167 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:46,975 I contacted the Ottawa County central dispatcher 168 00:12:47,059 --> 00:12:49,770 to try and locate a radar service 169 00:12:49,770 --> 00:12:52,648 to determine what it was that people were reporting. 170 00:12:53,524 --> 00:12:57,778 And he, in turn, contacted the Muskegon Weather Service. 171 00:13:02,533 --> 00:13:04,409 Weather Service. Muskegon. 172 00:13:04,493 --> 00:13:06,370 Around 10:00 p.m. that night, 173 00:13:06,370 --> 00:13:10,374 I got a phone call from the Ottawa County 911 Dispatch. 174 00:13:10,374 --> 00:13:13,377 Hi, Muskegon. This is Ottawa County 911 calling. 175 00:13:13,377 --> 00:13:14,586 Yeah, how you doing? 176 00:13:14,670 --> 00:13:17,548 Good. You guys have access to a radar there, don't ya? 177 00:13:17,548 --> 00:13:19,007 - Yes, we do. - You do. 178 00:13:19,091 --> 00:13:22,636 You getting anything weird down in the Southern Ottawa County area? 179 00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:25,681 The reason I ask is we're getting a whole bunch of calls 180 00:13:25,681 --> 00:13:27,558 of some strange lights 181 00:13:27,558 --> 00:13:30,561 in the Southern Ottawa, Northern Allegan County 182 00:13:30,561 --> 00:13:32,521 right near Holland City area. 183 00:13:32,521 --> 00:13:34,064 - Strange lights? - Yeah. 184 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:36,191 We've had about 60 UFO calls. 185 00:13:36,275 --> 00:13:37,526 Oh jeez! Okay. 186 00:13:37,526 --> 00:13:40,028 I'm sitting here going, "No, come on." 187 00:13:40,112 --> 00:13:41,863 "There's gotta be something more to this." 188 00:13:41,947 --> 00:13:42,948 Yeah. 189 00:13:44,241 --> 00:13:49,246 When he said something about UFOs are being seen across the skies, 190 00:13:49,246 --> 00:13:50,414 I thought, "Oh boy." 191 00:13:50,414 --> 00:13:53,000 You know, a lot of people are drinking out tonight. 192 00:13:53,959 --> 00:13:58,130 But I was not going to say, just blow them off and say, 193 00:13:58,130 --> 00:14:00,132 "No, I can't see something like that." 194 00:14:00,132 --> 00:14:03,844 I was gonna take a look. I was actually interested myself. 195 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:08,891 As a radar operator, we had to learn... 196 00:14:08,891 --> 00:14:14,104 not just learning how to look at atmospheric phenomena on the radar 197 00:14:14,104 --> 00:14:16,398 but how the radar actually works, 198 00:14:16,398 --> 00:14:18,901 and what can actually fool the radar. 199 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:21,069 So we're rigorously trained 200 00:14:21,153 --> 00:14:23,989 because we're putting out severe weather warnings 201 00:14:23,989 --> 00:14:27,951 and tornado warnings based on what we see with the radar. 202 00:14:28,035 --> 00:14:30,412 I'm looking at it in the vertical now, 203 00:14:30,412 --> 00:14:32,748 and there's a large return down there. 204 00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:35,292 It's up about maybe... 205 00:14:35,292 --> 00:14:38,545 Oh, now it disappeared, but it was up about 6,000 feet. 206 00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:42,424 It could have been a plane, but it was pretty big. Wait a minute. 207 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:47,888 And I assumed it was an aircraft at about 6,000 feet, 208 00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:49,306 which was not unusual. 209 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:52,142 It was moving at around 100 miles an hour, 210 00:14:52,142 --> 00:14:54,102 which again was not unusual. 211 00:14:54,686 --> 00:14:58,440 Now to find an aircraft in the dark like this 212 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,902 would be like being in the basement, and you have a flashlight, 213 00:15:01,902 --> 00:15:04,863 and you're looking for that fly that's flying around, 214 00:15:04,947 --> 00:15:07,032 and you only have that focused beam. 215 00:15:07,032 --> 00:15:09,743 And once, you might be able to catch it, 216 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:12,829 might be able to follow it, but a lot of times, you could lose it. 217 00:15:12,913 --> 00:15:14,498 Oh, it moved. Let's see. 218 00:15:14,498 --> 00:15:17,918 There's something big down there. Wait a minute. That's really strange. 219 00:15:19,086 --> 00:15:20,921 Yeah, right down near South Haven. 220 00:15:20,921 --> 00:15:25,258 Okay, it's moving towards the west-southwest, 221 00:15:26,259 --> 00:15:28,178 and it looks like a big blob. 222 00:15:28,804 --> 00:15:31,181 Yeah, that's the way it was explained to us. 223 00:15:31,682 --> 00:15:32,849 Hmm. This is weird. 224 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:35,394 Looks like it's steady right now. 225 00:15:36,478 --> 00:15:39,815 For a brief moment of about 15 seconds, 226 00:15:39,815 --> 00:15:43,819 it just stopped and hovered, which is highly unusual. 227 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:47,531 So, right away, I knew something was not right. 228 00:15:47,531 --> 00:15:48,448 Either it was... 229 00:15:48,532 --> 00:15:49,783 At that point, I thought, 230 00:15:49,783 --> 00:15:52,995 "Okay, it could be a blimp, a balloon, or something like that." 231 00:15:54,621 --> 00:15:57,958 But to be flying at night in the dead of winter 232 00:15:57,958 --> 00:15:59,751 was highly unusual too. 233 00:16:00,836 --> 00:16:02,254 It's gone up. 234 00:16:02,254 --> 00:16:06,466 I'm getting it now at, um, at about 12,000 feet. 235 00:16:07,134 --> 00:16:08,260 Huh. 236 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:12,305 You know, after that, it seemed like everything just went crazy. 237 00:16:13,432 --> 00:16:15,267 Oh my God! What is this? 238 00:16:15,267 --> 00:16:17,644 They were going together and coming apart. 239 00:16:17,728 --> 00:16:20,397 Yeah, they're... Well, it's... There's three. 240 00:16:20,397 --> 00:16:25,110 They're separated by about... Looks like about 5,000 feet in height. 241 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:26,027 Hmm. 242 00:16:26,111 --> 00:16:27,988 They're very strong returns. 243 00:16:27,988 --> 00:16:30,949 I mean, they're spiking, so there's something pretty solid. 244 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:34,244 It's not precipitation or anything, especially up at that height. 245 00:16:34,786 --> 00:16:36,747 In all aspects, 246 00:16:36,747 --> 00:16:41,251 the objects looked like an aircraft. 247 00:16:41,251 --> 00:16:44,171 It just did not act like an aircraft. 248 00:16:44,171 --> 00:16:46,048 We know it was solid. 249 00:16:46,048 --> 00:16:47,466 It was smooth. 250 00:16:47,466 --> 00:16:50,302 It seemed extremely reflective. 251 00:16:50,302 --> 00:16:52,804 Very high-polished metal. 252 00:16:52,888 --> 00:16:53,972 We can detect that 253 00:16:53,972 --> 00:16:57,267 by the amount of energy coming back in the echo. 254 00:17:00,645 --> 00:17:03,273 An officer in Holland City just sent me a message. 255 00:17:03,273 --> 00:17:05,609 He says, you know, "Can you identify anything further?" 256 00:17:05,609 --> 00:17:07,694 He says, "Looks like three to four of 'em." 257 00:17:07,778 --> 00:17:11,448 I'm seeing three, but they look like a triangle on my scope. 258 00:17:11,448 --> 00:17:14,326 This is strange, yeah, 'cause the officer says it's, uh, 259 00:17:14,326 --> 00:17:17,579 "Green and red lights." It does not look like an airplane. 260 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:19,623 They come together, and then they separate. 261 00:17:19,623 --> 00:17:22,083 And they just keep doing this all the time. 262 00:17:22,167 --> 00:17:25,462 These are huge returns. I've never seen anything like this. 263 00:17:25,462 --> 00:17:29,299 Not even when I'm doing storms. These aren't storms. They're like... 264 00:17:29,299 --> 00:17:31,551 They're just poppin' up all over the place. 265 00:17:36,848 --> 00:17:40,435 The northernmost one would jump 20 miles, hover. 266 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:44,272 The other two would jump 20 miles 267 00:17:44,356 --> 00:17:47,859 and then make that triangular formation again 268 00:17:47,943 --> 00:17:50,654 and then would hover there for a few seconds. 269 00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:53,156 I can't think of anything in nature 270 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,659 that would play follow-the-leader like that. 271 00:17:56,243 --> 00:17:59,246 It was almost as if it wanted to be seen. 272 00:18:01,498 --> 00:18:03,750 I was spooked. I was creeped out. 273 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:06,044 I was nervous. I was shaking. 274 00:18:06,128 --> 00:18:10,882 These are all up around between 7,000 and 12,000 feet. 275 00:18:11,466 --> 00:18:13,093 Wow, this is strange. 276 00:18:14,219 --> 00:18:18,348 Okay, they look like they're all moving toward the south, towards Chicago. 277 00:18:18,348 --> 00:18:22,727 They're about over the center of Lake Michigan. 278 00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:26,606 Three of them in a triangle just off the coast of Berrien County. 279 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:40,412 Once it got to that one area in Southern Lake Michigan, it stopped, 280 00:18:40,412 --> 00:18:43,081 it hovered, it stayed there for a while. 281 00:18:44,416 --> 00:18:48,003 I watched them for two, three hours, 282 00:18:48,003 --> 00:18:54,092 and they were met up by dozens and dozens of other objects that I could see. 283 00:18:55,051 --> 00:18:57,554 They were doing incredible feats, 284 00:18:57,554 --> 00:19:03,101 like going from lower, say at four-or-five thousand feet, 285 00:19:03,185 --> 00:19:06,771 to going as high as 55,000 feet 286 00:19:06,855 --> 00:19:08,648 within a matter of seconds, 287 00:19:08,732 --> 00:19:11,860 which none of our military aircraft can do at all. 288 00:19:12,736 --> 00:19:13,945 At one point, 289 00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:17,324 I saw it move 20 miles out over Lake Michigan 290 00:19:17,324 --> 00:19:18,533 in less than a second. 291 00:19:18,617 --> 00:19:21,453 So it's moving at 72,000 miles an hour. 292 00:19:22,078 --> 00:19:26,374 At that speed, you could fly from New York to LA in about two minutes. 293 00:19:26,458 --> 00:19:30,712 And there's just no technology I know of that can go that fast. 294 00:19:31,463 --> 00:19:33,006 I know it wasn't swamp gas 295 00:19:33,006 --> 00:19:36,134 because the weather radar, uh, 296 00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:38,887 would actually not be able to see swamp gas. 297 00:19:38,887 --> 00:19:43,767 I knew that they were not a super-refraction of the radar beam 298 00:19:44,476 --> 00:19:47,479 or a bounce-back of the radar back down to the earth 299 00:19:47,479 --> 00:19:50,106 because of their movements and their speeds. 300 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:51,107 But also because 301 00:19:51,191 --> 00:19:56,571 by raising the radar antenna to the many degrees that I did up, 302 00:19:56,655 --> 00:20:00,825 that eliminates all super-refraction possibilities. 303 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:07,958 Later on, I found out that that was the only clear area of no ice. 304 00:20:07,958 --> 00:20:11,878 It was absolutely the northernmost point that you could get 305 00:20:11,962 --> 00:20:14,297 without going into solid sheets of ice. 306 00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:17,509 So they were out over open water. 307 00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:21,805 It was a rendezvous point 308 00:20:21,805 --> 00:20:26,476 for other objects from... coming in from other directions. 309 00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:33,024 All right, well, if we get any more, we'll let you know also. 310 00:20:33,108 --> 00:20:34,985 Please do. Thanks a lot, then. 311 00:20:34,985 --> 00:20:37,570 - Okay. Thank you. Bye. - Uh-huh. Bye-bye. 312 00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:41,199 Once I got off the phone with the 911 dispatcher, 313 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:45,787 I called my wife and told her all about what I had seen. 314 00:20:45,787 --> 00:20:50,667 And I said, "Can you go out and take a look to the southern sky 315 00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:52,752 and see if you see anything?" 316 00:20:52,836 --> 00:20:55,839 It was late at night. It was the dead of winter. 317 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:59,467 She actually was too afraid to go out. She was creeped out. 318 00:20:59,551 --> 00:21:01,678 Said, "I'm not going out there by myself." 319 00:21:03,722 --> 00:21:06,558 I did stay over and watch it a little bit more. 320 00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:11,855 And one by one, they would disappear until they all just kind of faded away. 321 00:21:14,524 --> 00:21:17,569 The next shift that came in after me, 322 00:21:17,569 --> 00:21:21,281 he didn't really get excited like I was. 323 00:21:21,281 --> 00:21:24,909 Really didn't know what to think of it because he hadn't seen the whole thing. 324 00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:31,708 Driving home that night, everything was going through my mind. 325 00:21:31,708 --> 00:21:34,753 And I couldn't believe what I had seen. 326 00:21:36,588 --> 00:21:40,383 My whole idea, as a scientist, 327 00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:43,094 of what's out there, 328 00:21:43,178 --> 00:21:47,098 it was, like, just a huge change in the way I had to think. 329 00:21:47,182 --> 00:21:50,226 That there's more out there than we all know. 330 00:21:58,902 --> 00:22:01,029 Probably around 8:00 in the morning, 331 00:22:01,029 --> 00:22:04,074 we started getting direct calls, which were coming in to me. 332 00:22:04,074 --> 00:22:07,369 {\an8}And these were citizens who saw something strange 333 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,079 {\an8}and wanted to report it. 334 00:22:11,873 --> 00:22:13,792 So I got the idea 335 00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:18,296 of calling the dispatch operator in Ottawa County, 911, 336 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:23,635 and saying, "How long would it take to get a copy of these calls?" 337 00:22:23,635 --> 00:22:26,513 And he said, "I'll have it for you in an hour." 338 00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:30,183 So I picked it up. 339 00:22:30,183 --> 00:22:33,228 And this is back in 1994. 340 00:22:34,521 --> 00:22:36,981 Popped it in the cassette device, 341 00:22:37,065 --> 00:22:40,652 and it knocks your socks off. 342 00:22:40,652 --> 00:22:41,694 911. 343 00:22:41,778 --> 00:22:43,238 This is a non-emergency, 344 00:22:43,238 --> 00:22:45,740 so feel free to cut me off if something comes in. 345 00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:49,285 And I feel kind of silly calling, but is there any Air Force airplanes 346 00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:53,373 or helicopters flying around in Allegan or Ottawa County tonight? 347 00:22:54,666 --> 00:22:58,044 I don't know if you guys do anything on UFOs at all. 348 00:22:59,337 --> 00:23:02,423 It's not a real emergency. We're calling about them UFOs we saw. 349 00:23:02,507 --> 00:23:04,634 - Mmm-hmm. - They're out there. 350 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:05,802 They ain't airplanes. 351 00:23:08,054 --> 00:23:12,934 These people saw something that either frightened or amazed them. 352 00:23:13,977 --> 00:23:16,938 You can hear, uh, the sincerity in their voices. 353 00:23:16,938 --> 00:23:19,107 You can hear the amazement. 354 00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:21,484 I think that's very compelling. 355 00:23:22,777 --> 00:23:25,655 But also, there was the 911 dispatch recording 356 00:23:25,655 --> 00:23:28,366 with the National Weather Service radar operator. 357 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:31,369 He alone and the dispatcher set this apart 358 00:23:31,369 --> 00:23:34,205 from so much other UFO stuff that I've seen. 359 00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:40,211 I listened to five or ten minutes of it, and I called the news desk and said, 360 00:23:40,295 --> 00:23:41,838 "We got a major story." 361 00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:45,758 I got back to the newsroom, batted out a story, 362 00:23:45,842 --> 00:23:47,677 and got it on the wire. 363 00:23:56,644 --> 00:23:59,230 When the event happened on March 8th, 364 00:23:59,856 --> 00:24:02,609 I had no idea it was recorded. 365 00:24:03,902 --> 00:24:06,696 The tape was immediately given to my boss 366 00:24:06,696 --> 00:24:09,282 and to my boss's boss. 367 00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:14,329 And that's when just everything broke loose. 368 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:27,383 Residents in places like Grand Haven, Holland, and other lakeshore towns 369 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:31,304 reported seeing the strange phenomenon in the night sky. 370 00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:34,933 This was definitely brighter than anything I've ever seen before. 371 00:24:34,933 --> 00:24:37,143 Flashing green lights, and once in a while, 372 00:24:37,227 --> 00:24:38,394 you'd see, like, a red. 373 00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:40,522 About ten seconds. It just went... 374 00:24:40,522 --> 00:24:42,106 Were they watching us? 375 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:44,817 Were they taking samples of the atmosphere, you know? 376 00:24:44,901 --> 00:24:45,985 What were they doing? 377 00:24:47,403 --> 00:24:50,448 The March 8th, 1994 sighting 378 00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:53,618 {\an8}of UFOs in Southwestern Michigan 379 00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:56,788 {\an8}is really one of the big cases historically. 380 00:24:56,788 --> 00:25:00,625 Not just for Michigan, but for UFOs, period. 381 00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:03,878 Meet the Mutual UFO Network or MUFON, 382 00:25:03,962 --> 00:25:07,131 international investigators of strange sights in the skies. 383 00:25:07,215 --> 00:25:10,468 They're trying to find just what's haunting the Great Lakes state. 384 00:25:12,637 --> 00:25:16,975 MUFON is the world's largest civilian UFO research organization. 385 00:25:16,975 --> 00:25:20,061 We've been around for over 50 years. 386 00:25:20,061 --> 00:25:23,773 And we have over 4,000 members in over 40 countries. 387 00:25:23,773 --> 00:25:27,694 We take UFO reports that people, uh, send in to us. 388 00:25:27,694 --> 00:25:34,158 We can identify usually between 80% to 95% of what comes in to us every year. 389 00:25:34,242 --> 00:25:35,994 And the ones that we can't identify 390 00:25:35,994 --> 00:25:38,413 are the interesting ones that keep us going. 391 00:25:39,497 --> 00:25:42,792 Michigan is one of those states where we just happen to have 392 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:46,629 more UFO sightings reported to us than many of the other states. 393 00:25:46,713 --> 00:25:48,464 We're always in the top ten. 394 00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:52,510 But this UFO event in March of '94, 395 00:25:52,594 --> 00:25:56,514 we're talking over 300 witnesses to UFOs 396 00:25:56,514 --> 00:25:57,807 in a single night. 397 00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:01,352 This was not just on the west side of the state. 398 00:26:01,436 --> 00:26:03,229 Michigan's got 82 counties, 399 00:26:03,313 --> 00:26:07,942 and 42 counties had UFO sightings that night of March 8th. 400 00:26:08,026 --> 00:26:09,527 MUFON officials say 401 00:26:09,611 --> 00:26:12,322 this is the hottest UFO case in the country right now. 402 00:26:12,322 --> 00:26:14,407 Not only because of the mass sightings 403 00:26:14,407 --> 00:26:18,077 but the fact that these objects have actually been tracked on radar. 404 00:26:19,412 --> 00:26:21,539 You can't say nothing happened that night. 405 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:22,874 It's scientific. 406 00:26:22,874 --> 00:26:28,296 Here is an instrument recording something that is undeniable. 407 00:26:31,132 --> 00:26:33,926 I learned about the sighting 408 00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:37,263 {\an8}when a friend from Flint, Michigan called me. 409 00:26:37,347 --> 00:26:40,600 I called the headquarters of MUFON, 410 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,104 and I was put in charge of investigating this case. 411 00:26:46,189 --> 00:26:50,401 I got in the car as quickly as I could, driving to Holland. 412 00:26:51,402 --> 00:26:54,739 I interviewed 20 or 30 people 413 00:26:55,365 --> 00:26:57,700 who were direct witnesses. 414 00:26:59,202 --> 00:27:01,788 {\an8}They put us all in separate rooms 415 00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:04,415 {\an8}and had us all draw pictures 416 00:27:04,916 --> 00:27:06,542 and write our story. 417 00:27:06,626 --> 00:27:08,920 How'd you know it was something unusual? 418 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,005 I saw the bottom. 419 00:27:12,673 --> 00:27:15,760 It was metal. It had lights on it. 420 00:27:17,011 --> 00:27:19,806 I've had nationwide stories before, but nothing like this. 421 00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:21,265 This went worldwide. 422 00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:23,643 The reaction was immediate. 423 00:27:23,643 --> 00:27:27,397 {\an8}For two weeks now, the big question in much of Western Michigan has been, 424 00:27:27,397 --> 00:27:29,023 {\an8}"Oh my God, what is this?" 425 00:27:31,526 --> 00:27:32,860 After the event, 426 00:27:32,944 --> 00:27:36,989 I was contacted by dozens of people from throughout the state. 427 00:27:37,907 --> 00:27:41,494 I had calls I remember from two pilots. 428 00:27:41,494 --> 00:27:42,995 Both from major airlines 429 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,624 who were coming in over to O'Hare over Lake Michigan. 430 00:27:47,291 --> 00:27:50,586 And both of them separately verified 431 00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:54,132 this very bright, cylindrical object 432 00:27:54,132 --> 00:27:57,635 going in front of them across Lake Michigan. 433 00:27:57,719 --> 00:28:01,222 And then just disappearing at a phenomenal rate of speed. 434 00:28:03,808 --> 00:28:06,310 Both of them did not want their names used, 435 00:28:06,394 --> 00:28:08,855 did not want their carriers used, 436 00:28:08,855 --> 00:28:12,859 because there was so much prejudice, perhaps. 437 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:15,361 I think there had been a stigma 438 00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:18,865 attached to people who claim to have seen UFOs 439 00:28:18,865 --> 00:28:22,201 because it may suggest that they're mentally ill. 440 00:28:22,785 --> 00:28:25,204 You're silly, you're drunk, you're crazy. 441 00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:31,252 Soon after the event occurred, 442 00:28:31,878 --> 00:28:34,046 I walked into the weather office, 443 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:38,801 and the guys had taken paper plates, 444 00:28:38,885 --> 00:28:42,180 stacked and stapled like flying saucers. 445 00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:46,350 And they put about 50 of them hanging from the ceiling on strings. 446 00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:51,689 Just put my hands on my face and thought, "Oh no." 447 00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:55,651 When it came to this event, 448 00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:57,904 I knew people might not believe me, 449 00:28:57,904 --> 00:29:00,364 and what I had seen might sound crazy. 450 00:29:02,283 --> 00:29:05,787 I did not want to be thought of 451 00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:10,166 as somebody, especially as a scientist, as somebody with a mental illness. 452 00:29:13,878 --> 00:29:15,463 The National Weather Service, 453 00:29:15,463 --> 00:29:19,634 they did not want to be known as "the UFO reporting center." 454 00:29:19,634 --> 00:29:23,012 So they tried to make it go away in a hurry. 455 00:29:25,014 --> 00:29:27,600 Meteorologists with the National Weather Service 456 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,143 said a temperature inversion, 457 00:29:29,227 --> 00:29:32,814 a layer of warm air a few thousand feet above the Earth's surface, 458 00:29:32,814 --> 00:29:35,858 could have been the culprit for the strange returns on radar. 459 00:29:35,942 --> 00:29:37,860 Something called "ground clutter." 460 00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:44,784 Well, at this point, I was told not to talk or give interviews to anybody. 461 00:29:45,576 --> 00:29:50,331 I was very anxious 'cause I worked my entire life for that job. 462 00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:54,710 If I had disobeyed an order 463 00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:56,921 and talked to the press about it, 464 00:29:56,921 --> 00:30:01,259 I have no doubt in my mind that they would have tried to fire me 465 00:30:01,259 --> 00:30:07,390 or actually ruin the future of my career, yeah. 466 00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:13,771 My supervisor Leo had to toe the line. 467 00:30:15,273 --> 00:30:20,194 And in fact when I talked to him later about what this was doing to my career, 468 00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:23,865 Leo was the one that said, "Jack, you gotta get out of Michigan." 469 00:30:25,741 --> 00:30:31,080 I knew I had to hurry up and get a job to wherever I could 470 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,084 based solely because of this UFO event. 471 00:30:35,084 --> 00:30:40,339 But I was depressed to have to leave such good friends, childhood friends, 472 00:30:40,423 --> 00:30:42,842 and my family. 473 00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:45,720 That was the impact on my career, yes. 474 00:30:58,441 --> 00:31:01,110 I almost put it behind me 475 00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:04,947 because I didn't think we were gonna ever be able to learn anymore. 476 00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:10,077 But I did want vindication for this because there were jokes. 477 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:14,790 What I saw, this was a life-altering event. 478 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:17,960 It's something you just don't forget. 479 00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:24,634 How much brain space this occupied in 30 years, uh, 480 00:31:24,634 --> 00:31:28,971 it was enough to where I gave myself headaches thinking about it. 481 00:31:29,055 --> 00:31:33,476 Literally headaches trying to just really focus 482 00:31:33,476 --> 00:31:37,438 and try to figure it out 'cause it's such a mystery. 483 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,457 Whoa! Got it! Whoo-hoo! 484 00:31:57,208 --> 00:31:59,835 Today a highly-anticipated report 485 00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,587 from the US Intelligence Community 486 00:32:01,671 --> 00:32:06,676 {\an8}zeroes in on unidentified aerial phenomenon, or UAPs, 487 00:32:06,676 --> 00:32:08,636 {\an8}commonly known as UFOs. 488 00:32:08,636 --> 00:32:11,847 This report had lots of input from the military. 489 00:32:11,931 --> 00:32:15,101 It was released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. 490 00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:18,437 They did find more than 140 reports 491 00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:20,981 dating back to 2004, 492 00:32:21,065 --> 00:32:24,193 where investigators could not find an explanation. 493 00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:30,157 Pilots said they saw objects that moved at exceptional speed and agility. 494 00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:31,492 My gosh! 495 00:32:31,492 --> 00:32:35,121 They're all going against the wind. The wind's 120 knots to the west. 496 00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:38,708 {\an8}We have people like Navy pilots, former CIA directors coming forward and saying, 497 00:32:38,708 --> 00:32:41,252 {\an8}"Yeah, there are things that we don't really understand." 498 00:32:41,252 --> 00:32:42,920 {\an8}One incident in Puerto Rico, 499 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:45,256 {\an8}where an object was tracked buzzing an airport, 500 00:32:45,256 --> 00:32:47,508 {\an8}then flying into the water, popping back out 501 00:32:47,508 --> 00:32:50,594 {\an8}before appearing to split into two and disappearing. 502 00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:54,181 {\an8}This is a technology that we don't completely understand. 503 00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:57,935 {\an8}And it seems to be defying our understanding of physics. 504 00:32:58,019 --> 00:33:02,773 {\an8}The larger question is, "Is this alien life?" remains unanswered. 505 00:33:03,858 --> 00:33:05,443 After all these years, 506 00:33:05,443 --> 00:33:08,404 it seems like the US government and the military 507 00:33:08,404 --> 00:33:11,782 is finally taking UFO sightings more seriously. 508 00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:16,245 And that's made me re-examine my own UFO experience. 509 00:33:24,879 --> 00:33:28,340 I've been dreaming about this for 27 years. 510 00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:33,095 What I'm hoping to get out of the eyewitnesses 511 00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:35,431 is to get more information out of them 512 00:33:35,431 --> 00:33:39,935 and actually see exactly where they were 513 00:33:40,019 --> 00:33:43,022 so that I can tie together what I was seeing 514 00:33:43,022 --> 00:33:47,318 with other people on the ground, with the radar. 515 00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:53,991 When you have both radar confirmation and ground-based eyeball confirmation, 516 00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:57,912 that's the proof that there was a tornado on the ground. 517 00:33:57,912 --> 00:34:00,956 And so why not for UFOs? 518 00:34:03,125 --> 00:34:05,127 - Virginia? - Oh, Jack! 519 00:34:05,211 --> 00:34:08,380 - Jack Bushong. Nice to meet you. - For real. It's so nice to meet you. 520 00:34:08,464 --> 00:34:10,591 I have so many questions that I know I... 521 00:34:10,591 --> 00:34:12,426 I knew of Virginia Tilly. 522 00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:18,182 She did a thorough job of finding these witnesses on the ground, 523 00:34:18,182 --> 00:34:21,393 but, of course, she didn't have a really good, 524 00:34:21,477 --> 00:34:24,939 detailed account of what I saw on the radar. 525 00:34:25,439 --> 00:34:27,900 I know you've been investigating this the whole time. 526 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,110 Believe it or not, I tried to reach you. 527 00:34:30,194 --> 00:34:31,153 - Oh, you did? - I did. 528 00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:33,864 - I tried actually several different times. - Really? 529 00:34:33,948 --> 00:34:36,492 And I was always told you weren't available, 530 00:34:36,492 --> 00:34:38,828 or you weren't allowed to speak to me. 531 00:34:38,828 --> 00:34:41,914 - No men in black came? - No men in black. Oh jeez. 532 00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:43,082 None of those. 533 00:34:43,791 --> 00:34:47,169 There are very few, if any, 534 00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:50,673 that have the kind of documentation that goes with this case. 535 00:34:50,673 --> 00:34:54,635 This one, I feel, is much bigger than any of the others that I've-- 536 00:34:54,635 --> 00:34:56,512 No kidding! The absolute top one? 537 00:34:56,512 --> 00:34:57,930 - Really? - I would think so. 538 00:34:57,930 --> 00:35:01,100 There's a lot of gaps I'd like to see filled up. 539 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,728 I'm really interested in this couple you were talking about 540 00:35:04,812 --> 00:35:07,314 that had a vantage point from Lake Michigan 541 00:35:07,398 --> 00:35:09,817 around the time when I was seeing it on radar. 542 00:35:10,901 --> 00:35:15,156 This was one of the most unusual things I've ever heard. 543 00:35:16,657 --> 00:35:18,534 - March 8th of '94. - Okay. 544 00:35:20,244 --> 00:35:23,414 Young couple that were camping out that night. 545 00:35:23,414 --> 00:35:27,042 An ice-cold night, right on the lake. 546 00:35:28,294 --> 00:35:31,881 After midnight, the wife woke up. 547 00:35:32,423 --> 00:35:37,928 There was a tall tower of water. 548 00:35:40,431 --> 00:35:43,434 They said it looked like a huge waterfall. 549 00:35:43,434 --> 00:35:48,022 Went up almost as high as what looked like the heights of the sky. 550 00:35:50,065 --> 00:35:53,027 - At least 20 feet wide. - Okay. 551 00:35:53,027 --> 00:35:57,740 It was lit behind and from above. 552 00:35:58,282 --> 00:36:01,076 And they're looking off towards the Chicago area, 553 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,578 towards the southwest. 554 00:36:02,578 --> 00:36:04,121 They both were so frightened, 555 00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:07,416 they grabbed a couple of quick things that were laying with them, 556 00:36:07,416 --> 00:36:11,128 and they ran up the stairs as fast as they could go. 557 00:36:14,632 --> 00:36:18,636 So what you're telling me completely correlates with what I saw on radar 558 00:36:18,636 --> 00:36:22,181 from eleven o'clock through well after midnight. 559 00:36:22,181 --> 00:36:24,892 I was watching them till two in the morning on radar. 560 00:36:24,892 --> 00:36:26,393 In the same place, 561 00:36:26,477 --> 00:36:29,146 I have them at 6,000 feet at that point. 562 00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:32,316 - It must've been a pretty tall waterfall. - Okay. You're right. 563 00:36:32,316 --> 00:36:33,859 That's incredible. 564 00:36:36,362 --> 00:36:41,200 A lot of these UFO events occur around great big bodies of water. 565 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,453 - The Great Lakes seems to be a hot spot. - A very... 566 00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:47,665 - Freshwater here. - I've heard that so many times. 567 00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:53,754 The Great Lakes is the largest fresh water area on the entire planet. 568 00:36:55,089 --> 00:36:57,424 It's almost as if they were looking for open water, 569 00:36:57,508 --> 00:36:59,385 and they found it right here. 570 00:36:59,385 --> 00:37:02,388 And, uh, so there has to be a connection. 571 00:37:08,978 --> 00:37:10,854 I always wanted to meet him. 572 00:37:10,938 --> 00:37:12,856 You know, being "the radar guy." 573 00:37:13,816 --> 00:37:15,943 He said, "I saw what I saw." 574 00:37:15,943 --> 00:37:18,237 So they see that we're not crazy. 575 00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:20,489 You know, what we saw was real. 576 00:37:21,198 --> 00:37:27,955 The 1994 sighting has affected me in a popularity kind of way. 577 00:37:27,955 --> 00:37:31,000 And a lot of the inquiries, too, are sincere. 578 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,588 But if the recording from the radar operator did not exist, 579 00:37:36,672 --> 00:37:38,590 it would affect me differently, I believe. 580 00:37:38,674 --> 00:37:43,971 It would be more adverse, probably, or more unbelievable to people. 581 00:37:44,638 --> 00:37:47,433 We saw it out in the east sky. 582 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:52,938 We could see, you know, the... I guess you would call it metallic... 583 00:37:53,022 --> 00:37:55,315 - We could see that, yes. - You could see that? 584 00:37:55,399 --> 00:37:59,236 I saw something that I'd never seen before. 585 00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:02,823 The interesting thing to me about the two lights was 586 00:38:02,823 --> 00:38:07,995 one of them broke away from the other at a noticeably high speed. 587 00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:15,252 When I was seeing the objects between South Haven and Benton Harbor 588 00:38:15,336 --> 00:38:19,381 and yet the witnesses, the police officer was in Holland, 589 00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:23,010 they couldn't tell how far away or how high up. 590 00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:24,344 I could though. 591 00:38:24,428 --> 00:38:27,806 I could see exactly how far away they were 592 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:29,475 and how high up they were. 593 00:38:29,475 --> 00:38:31,894 And it matched perfectly with what they were seeing. 594 00:38:33,062 --> 00:38:36,231 Now I'm 100% sure we were seeing the same thing. 595 00:38:36,315 --> 00:38:37,858 There's no doubt about it. 596 00:38:39,026 --> 00:38:41,487 The strangest thing I saw that night 597 00:38:41,487 --> 00:38:47,117 was when I was using the beam of my radar to track the one object, 598 00:38:47,201 --> 00:38:49,536 and then it split into several objects. 599 00:38:50,162 --> 00:38:55,834 And they began to make triangles, and different rotating patterns, 600 00:38:55,918 --> 00:38:57,836 and also even rotating 601 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,631 in the way that they were going from horizontal to vertical. 602 00:39:00,631 --> 00:39:03,592 But the one thing that was very odd 603 00:39:03,592 --> 00:39:07,679 was each triangle was lined up perfectly 604 00:39:07,763 --> 00:39:09,890 down the beam of the radar. 605 00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:12,017 If it was in any other position, 606 00:39:12,101 --> 00:39:14,812 I wouldn't have been able to see it all in one beam. 607 00:39:15,729 --> 00:39:18,941 There was no way something could do that 608 00:39:18,941 --> 00:39:22,444 unless it knew where the radar was. 609 00:39:25,114 --> 00:39:28,617 To get that, you have to be pretty intelligent. 610 00:39:30,244 --> 00:39:31,829 It almost made me wonder, 611 00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:34,331 are they communicating, you know, this way? 612 00:39:45,634 --> 00:39:49,012 I just keep having to say, "What did I see that night?" 613 00:39:49,888 --> 00:39:53,976 "What did I see going 72,000 miles per hour, at least, 614 00:39:53,976 --> 00:39:55,519 you know, in a second?" 615 00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:59,106 What was it? 616 00:40:00,232 --> 00:40:02,109 What do you think you saw that night? 617 00:40:02,109 --> 00:40:03,819 It was a UFO. 618 00:40:05,028 --> 00:40:06,071 I know that. 619 00:40:06,697 --> 00:40:08,699 What do you think you saw that night? 620 00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:15,330 I... It's a tough question to answer 621 00:40:15,414 --> 00:40:20,836 because, um, you don't wanna look like a kook, you know. 622 00:40:20,836 --> 00:40:23,964 But I've checked off everything I could think of. 623 00:40:24,715 --> 00:40:26,550 But it looked like an extreme technology 624 00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:31,054 that seems like it's hundreds of years, uh, advanced. 625 00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:33,098 More advanced than what we have. 626 00:40:36,602 --> 00:40:39,605 Nobody can conclusively say these are 627 00:40:39,605 --> 00:40:42,441 any kind of extraterrestrial craft. 628 00:40:42,941 --> 00:40:44,318 Now, on the other hand, 629 00:40:45,694 --> 00:40:47,154 I look up at the universe, 630 00:40:49,031 --> 00:40:51,283 and I see the night sky. 631 00:40:51,825 --> 00:40:57,039 And I have a feeling we're not alone in the vastness of this universe. 632 00:40:58,707 --> 00:41:00,792 It's been almost 30 years, 633 00:41:00,876 --> 00:41:05,714 and it's so gratifying to me that I was a piece of that evening. 634 00:41:08,926 --> 00:41:12,930 When I look through here, it takes me back almost 30 years. 635 00:41:13,764 --> 00:41:15,307 My children were small. 636 00:41:17,142 --> 00:41:18,894 It's a UFO. 637 00:41:19,603 --> 00:41:21,855 I'm glad my babies got to see it. 638 00:41:24,316 --> 00:41:27,277 The two best things that ever happened in my life 639 00:41:27,361 --> 00:41:28,487 were my children. 640 00:41:30,489 --> 00:41:34,701 And this night ranks right under that, you know? 641 00:41:34,785 --> 00:41:38,247 It's even making me emotional here, and I don't want to be emotional. 642 00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:44,294 I hope everybody in the world can see what we saw that night. 643 00:41:46,797 --> 00:41:48,674 When we get UFO reports in, 644 00:41:48,674 --> 00:41:52,052 it's understood that we're only getting a small portion 645 00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:55,472 of the group of people who may have seen something. 646 00:41:55,556 --> 00:41:58,684 We've only received a very small amount 647 00:41:58,684 --> 00:42:01,311 of the stories that have happened that night. 648 00:42:01,937 --> 00:42:03,814 There are a lot more. 649 00:42:03,814 --> 00:42:07,818 And I would encourage people to tell their story. 650 00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:10,487 This is a good time to do it. Why not? 651 00:42:10,571 --> 00:42:13,824 It's time we talk about it. 652 00:42:17,661 --> 00:42:22,624 I'm hoping that there's gonna be some witnesses that will try to contact me 653 00:42:22,708 --> 00:42:27,254 and give me their story about that March 8, 1994, event. 654 00:42:28,422 --> 00:42:33,594 Unless we finally figure out what this is and there's hard proof about it, 655 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:37,389 I am not going to give up this obsession of mine 656 00:42:37,389 --> 00:42:39,016 to try to figure it out. 657 00:42:41,435 --> 00:42:43,854 I can see doing this the rest of my life.