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One year ago tonight,
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Joshua Guimond vanished from
an apartment near St. John's University...
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It's been five years
since a St. John's student was last seen...
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This week marks 15 years
since Josh Guimond went missing...
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The St. John's junior
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disappeared while
walking home from a party.
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He hasn't been seen since.
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I think Josh had secrets
just like everybody else has secrets.
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But I don't care what Josh was doing.
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We just want our friend.
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That night,
Josh was at a party
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{\an8}playing poker with some friends
at a dorm on campus.
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Josh arrived at the
party around 11:30 at night that evening.
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And sometime before midnight,
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{\an8}people start realizing
that Josh isn't there.
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A couple of people at the party
had noticed a male get up and leave,
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but they weren't
quite sure if it was Josh.
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{\an8}Josh just wasn't at the party anymore.
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{\an8}And there's no answers.
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He's just gone.
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- Graduation.
- Oh, yeah.
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He was so proud of his speech.
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I remember him being just, like,
working on that speech so hard.
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I remember that. Yeah.
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That's when him and Katie
were helping with the Special Olympics.
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- Oh, yeah! I forgot about that.
- Yeah. Yeah.
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Here's Katie and Josh from prom.
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- That's a nice picture.
- I really love that one.
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Our first couple
of the evening
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is Senior Class Treasurer, Katie Benson,
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escorted by our Senior Class President,
Josh Guimond.
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Josh and I grew up together.
We went to school together.
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In our sophomore year of high school,
we started dating.
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So Josh was my high school sweetheart.
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He was very handsome,
blond with blue eyes.
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He was athletic.
He had a great sense of humor.
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And I think a lot of people
didn't see that side of him
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because he always came across
as very confident and studious.
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Oh, my gosh.
Look at how serious he is right there.
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You guys both look so grumpy.
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- Everyone else in the picture is smiling.
- Everybody else is smiling!
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Josh and I, we met
when we were in about second grade
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and then became really close
at the end of high school.
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After that, we still stayed close.
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Josh was nominated
as "most likely to succeed"
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in our high school class,
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and I really believed
that he would have succeeded.
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Josh liked to have a lot of fun.
He was outgoing.
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{\an8}He was always happy
and smarter than he should have been.
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{\an8} Thirteen years ago, we were branded
as special from the very beginning.
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{\an8}We were the Class of 2000...
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Josh was interested in being a lawyer.
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{\an8}And even as a kid, you can tell
by the way he would talk to you
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{\an8}when you'd talk to him about things.
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He would always be questioning.
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{\an8} Society may change,
but good, solid teaching never will.
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As soon as Josh was gonna turn 35,
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he was running
for the next presidential election.
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Hey, Josh!
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He planned on going to law school
once we finished college,
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and then from there,
he was going to be a lawyer.
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And then he would be a politician.
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And eventually he would be the president.
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When we went to college,
we decided to go to similar schools.
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I went to the College of Saint Benedict,
which is all-female,
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and he went to St. John's University.
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St. John's is an all-male school.
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They are two separate campuses
but a joint college,
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so we were able to have classes together
and continue our relationship in college.
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My sophomore year,
I joined the mock trial team with Josh,
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who was a year behind me at St. John's.
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Josh struck me pretty quickly
as someone who I knew I could trust,
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a very intelligent person,
and a very easy person to get along with.
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{\an8}As we got to know each other better,
we realized we had a lot in common.
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My senior year, his junior year,
we were roommates,
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and I was one of his best friends
at the time he disappeared.
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The last time I saw Josh
was the week before
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down at Macalester College,
watching the mock trial.
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He won a number of awards,
and I told him, "Yeah, you did real good,"
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told him I loved him, and said,
"We'll see you next time." You know?
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And that was it.
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{\an8} On Saturday, November 9th, 2002,
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{\an8}Josh and I went to brunch together.
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And at some point,
we got an invitation from Katie to say,
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"Do you guys wanna come over
and hang out with me and my roommates?"
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And so I thought, "I'll go over to Katie's
and hang out with them tonight."
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But Josh also got an invitation
from some other friends
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who were playing poker that night
at another guy's apartment.
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So the last time I saw him
would have been after dinner,
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probably 6:30, 7:00.
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He was with his friend Alex
in our apartment.
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I said, "Hey, I'm gonna head over,"
and Josh said, "Yeah, okay. Have fun."
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And I said,
"You guys have a good night too."
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"We'll see you later." And that was it.
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I think it was sometime a little after
2:00 a.m. when I left Katie's apartment.
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I went home. I went upstairs.
I noticed Josh wasn't in his room.
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But I just said,
"Oh, he must still be at the party."
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The next morning,
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I saw he still wasn't there.
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And I thought that was weird.
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I checked my AOL Instant Messenger.
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His account had been idle
for probably over 12 hours.
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All I could think of is, like,
"Where is he?"
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I talked to Greg and Alex,
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because he was with both of them
the previous night,
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but they didn't know where he was.
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I think it was probably
2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon,
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and Nick called me
and asked if I knew where Josh was
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because he had said
Josh missed the mock trial meeting.
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I remember thinking
that was very out of character.
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I knew something was wrong.
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I knew something had happened to him,
or something was preventing him
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from coming back because I knew
he wouldn't have just left on his own.
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So I was... I was really worried.
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I got a call
from the Dean of Students
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Sunday night at 10:30 on November 10th,
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and he said,
"You need to report your son missing."
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"His friends haven't seen him
since last night."
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I was extremely scared and freaked out.
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Immediately, I knew it was
a very serious situation.
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You're not thinking much
at that point in time.
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Your only kid's missing.
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You don't know what to do.
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The call from Joshua's mother
reporting Joshua's disappearance came in
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{\an8}November 10th at 11:42 in the evening.
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The Sheriff's Office
did do a search of his apartment.
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I would classify it more
as just a walkthrough than anything.
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It wasn't locked down at the time.
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{\an8}They were looking for signs of a struggle,
signs of any type of criminal activity.
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Might even be looking for suicide notes
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or anything that would kinda
lead a clue to his whereabouts.
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But it looked like
a normal college kid's room.
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The TV had still been on.
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There was nothing that seemed
out of the ordinary
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or anything of a criminal nature.
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They looked at some of his
personal effects, like his wallet.
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Some of those things
might give you an indication if he left
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and planned to be gone for a little while
if he packed a bag.
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I remember his keys were there,
and we looked and checked.
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And his car was still in the parking lot
where I remember him last parking.
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So we knew he hadn't driven anywhere.
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And I saw Josh's eyeglasses
and contact cases still present.
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And that, to me, would be something
that you'd for sure take
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if you were gonna maybe try to go
start a new life or something somewhere.
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You gotta wear your contact lenses
to get around,
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so with the contact lens case
being open with no contact lenses in it,
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we just figured he didn't come home
and that he was still somewhere on campus.
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There was no reason to believe
that anything else had happened.
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It was not uncommon for kids
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to just spend the night
somewhere other than their dormitory.
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So we talked to Joshua's friends
and roommates
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to help track his movements and activities
the night before his disappearance.
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{\an8} Josh and his friends were
in Josh's apartment at St. Maur House.
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They left the apartment
to go to the party at 75 Metten Court,
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{\an8}which was about a five-minute walk away.
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{\an8} We do know that Joshua's key card
was used to access his apartment at 11:06,
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{\an8}which we believe was him
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going back in to the apartment
to retrieve a few more beers.
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And that was the last time
Josh key-carded back into his apartment.
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{\an8}St. John's University
is a really small campus.
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{\an8}I mean, student body of 2,000.
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{\an8}There's not a lot of distance
between any of the buildings.
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Joshua's dormitory, St. Maur House,
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is more in the central,
middle part of the campus.
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The Metten Court Apartments
where the party was
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is more on the northern border
of the campus.
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There's a lake that stretches
through the campus that would keep you
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from going directly from the Metten Court
apartments to St. Maur house.
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The poker party that Joshua went to was
a pretty small gathering, ten to 12 kids.
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Some of them knew who Josh was
but didn't know him terribly well,
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and there was some people
who didn't know him at all
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and just met him that evening.
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{\an8}They said he showed up at the party
between 11:30 and 12:00,
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{\an8}and that Josh had a few drinks,
and was playing cards.
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I talked to
a lot of Josh's friends
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who were at the poker party with him,
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and the way they describe him...
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He was in a good mood.
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He was having a great time.
He was joking around.
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He was acting like his normal self
at the party.
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Some thought
that he had been intoxicated.
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Some thought he was still sober enough
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to be able to walk, and talk,
and keep control of himself.
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Eventually, they saw Joshua
get up from the table,
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and nobody really paid attention
to where he was going.
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According to people at the poker party,
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he just got up and left the party
without saying anything to anybody.
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One person stated that they
believed he was going to the bathroom.
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In this case, both the apartment
front entry door and the bathroom
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are kind of in the same direction.
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So if someone wasn't paying attention,
they wouldn't know which way he was going.
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I can't remember any time
that he had done that previously,
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where he would have just left
without saying goodbye.
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The Josh I knew would tell the people
that he came with that he was leaving.
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That first night
of the investigation,
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a tracking dog was called in
to track Josh's scent.
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It led to that pathway
that is between Metten Court Apartments
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and St. Maur house.
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And the trail kinda stopped there.
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At the time of Josh's disappearance,
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{\an8}I was a crime and courts reporter
for the St. Cloud Times newspaper
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{\an8}in St. Cloud, Minnesota.
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Within hours of Josh disappearing,
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I was made aware
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that they had a missing persons case
at St. John's University.
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They brought in bloodhounds
pretty quickly after Josh disappeared,
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and I believe one of the bloodhounds hit
on an area on a bridge
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that would have been on the path
from the card game to where Josh lived.
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And they found two witnesses.
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Through our investigation, we identified
two witnesses that were students.
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One was a St. John student.
One was a St. Ben's student.
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So, basically, a guy and a girl.
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{\an8} Between 12:15 and 12:30,
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{\an8}they were walking down the road
towards the Metten Court Apartments.
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When they got down in that area,
near the footbridge by Stumpf Lake,
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they noticed a man wearing
a hooded sweatshirt with blue jeans,
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and the overall physical description
matched that of Joshua's.
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They continued to walk,
and when they looked back a second time,
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that person wasn't there any longer.
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That was about the same time
that Josh left the party.
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So it is believed that that was Josh.
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The witnesses didn't report
seeing anything or anyone else.
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No other people, no other cars,
no indication of what might have happened.
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He just... he up and vanished.
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There's nothing to lead us
in one direction or another.
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He's here one minute and gone the next.
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Josh is missing.
His friends didn't know where he was.
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Nobody had seen him.
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So I was extremely worried
because it was out of character,
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and it was not Josh.
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{\an8} There were numerous agencies
involved in the search efforts.
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The Stearns County Sheriff's Office
was the lead investigative agency.
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The National Guard
was eventually called in
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to help with searches
because the college campus part itself,
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where students would go,
was relatively small,
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but the area owned by St. John's
was massive.
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St. John's University is a private
college campus on several hundred acres.
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It's in a rural area in Stearns County.
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It's just a lot of ground to cover,
from swamps to lakes
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to wooded, hilly, thick terrain.
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{\an8} Tuesday,
they brought in the horses,
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{\an8}and they searched the campus
and the ravines.
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And then, on the third day, Wednesday,
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they let us search with them,
and they broke us up into groups.
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{\an8}- Shouldn't we go back up here then?
- What?
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{\an8}We're going to...
We're going to the footbridge.
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I went out physically searching,
walking around the campus.
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There was hundreds of people there.
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{\an8} It was probably the biggest
search effort that I've ever seen.
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Probably would be
the biggest search effort in the county.
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I was scared to death
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because we're looking for our friend
in this brush for whatever we could find,
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and we didn't see anything.
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I wanted
to know what happened to him.
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I wanted him to be found. I just...
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I didn't wanna be the one who found him.
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{\an8}Joshua Guimond is still missing tonight...
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{\an8}The FBI was brought in
rather early in the case.
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Authorities in Minnesota and Wisconsin
have a disturbing mystery on their hands.
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{\an8} At the time that Josh disappeared,
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{\an8}there was several college-aged students
that were missing.
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All were about the same age,
vanished at night.
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Could the unsolved disappearances
be linked?
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{\an8} There was a theory
that a serial-type killer
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{\an8}was traveling up and down
the Mississippi River here
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and abducting these people
and killing them.
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Chris Jenkins
disappeared after a Halloween party
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at this bar in Minneapolis.
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Six days later, Michael Noll,
a 22-year-old college student,
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vanished after celebrating his birthday
at a party in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
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You know, these are all young men.
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People like Josh who are successful,
driven, ambitious...
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...all within
a hundred-mile radius of Minneapolis.
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But two other key elements
tie the cases together.
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{\an8}Alcohol and water.
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The Michael Noll and Chris Jenkins cases
happening at so close to the same time
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added confusion to Josh's case
that maybe wouldn't have been there
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if there hadn't been
so many other things happening.
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Connecting things that aren't connected
can really screw up the investigation.
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Both local
law enforcement and the FBI say
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while they haven't
ruled out a connection,
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there's no evidence
the disappearances are related.
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Are their stories connected?
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{\an8}At this point, all they know,
and all we know for sure,
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{\an8}is that their children
are nowhere to be found.
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During the initial
searches for Josh, K9 was brought in,
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and the dog led us down to the water
by the bridge.
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So the thought was,
"Did he fall in the water?"
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"Did he go down to the water?"
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"Was he intoxicated and stumbled?"
You know, "He may be in the water."
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{\an8} The searches included
dragging for a body, divers in the water,
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boats where we're using sonar technology...
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Seeing that lake being dragged
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was like the most surreal,
probably awful memory I have.
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I'm out here looking for my best friend
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that the police think
is at the bottom of this lake.
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I couldn't believe the craziness of it
and the gravity of it,
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and it just takes a toll.
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But as winter set in,
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there was thought
because the water was so cold,
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in some instances freezing over early on,
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that if Josh was in the water,
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his body may never surface
until the water temperatures rose.
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So we did suspend
the search activities in the waters,
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and we were just waiting till the spring.
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You know,
as fall turned into winter,
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it was really frustrating
because it felt like
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there were no more search activities
on campus.
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It felt like everything sort of stopped,
and there was really nowhere else to look.
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Kinda felt helpless.
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I was asked by people at St. John's
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how I would feel about having
somebody else move into Josh's room.
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But I said, "No."
I didn't want that to happen.
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I thought that
that was a really awful idea.
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It was hard, even seeing
that closed door every day
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because it was sort of symbolic of
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"That's Josh's room,
but now it's just this closed door."
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I'm not sure how I finished
that semester when Josh disappeared.
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It was unimaginable.
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He and I had a class together
that semester, and I...
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I never went back.
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{\an8}Guimond was last seen
about midnight as he left a party.
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{\an8}There was search after search.
No sign of him.
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{\an8}His family pleaded for police to do more.
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{\an8}Josh is out there somewhere.
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{\an8}There's been no body found,
so we got no reason to believe he's dead.
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{\an8} I don't think Brian was satisfied
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{\an8}with the direction
we were taking the investigation,
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the speed in which
we were doing the investigation,
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our attention to the investigation,
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and he wanted answers
to what happened to his son.
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{\an8}Around that time, the family brought in
a bloodhound to help with the search.
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Is that the third,
second or third time she's been there?
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It's not uncommon for those
bloodhounds to be able to
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pick up the scent
long after an individual has gone missing.
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Weeks and months afterwards.
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This dog traced Joshua's scent
from Metten Court to Stumpf Lake,
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then to Josh's apartment
at St. Maur House,
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then to St. John's Abbey.
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St. John's University
is a fairly unique institution.
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It's a religious college.
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There's a monastery on campus,
and some of the monks are professors.
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At the time Josh disappeared,
there was a lot of news stories coming out
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about things happening at the monastery
or the abbey at St. John's.
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{\an8}More allegations of clergy sex abuse
at St. John's Abbey in Collegeville.
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{\an8}Today, in Stearns County Court,
two civil lawsuits were filed
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{\an8}alleging abuse of students
dating back some 40 years.
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Today, another victim stepped forward,
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claiming a monk molested him
inside the school.
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This is the fourth lawsuit filed
against a monk at St. John's Abbey.
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Before he disappeared,
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Josh and I talked about
the sexual abuse scandal at the abbey,
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and Josh was just irate about it.
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He was very upset that
that kind of thing was happening
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and that it had been covered up.
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Brian had told us that
he believed Joshua was doing research
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into the sexual misconduct,
specifically for a research paper.
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Now, we looked at his computer.
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We saw other research papers,
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but I didn't see anything
pertaining to that.
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So when the search
led to the abbey with the bloodhound...
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She's casting right over here.
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...when the dog
started to get into more intrusive areas
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where the general public's
not typically allowed,
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St. John's ended up contacting us
to kinda deal with it.
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See where she wants to go?
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Brian Guimond asked
that the search continue inside the abbey,
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and they were denied access.
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Later, our office was called,
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and we were able to obtain consent
to search through the abbey with the dog.
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Now she wants to go
back over there, back up to the abbey.
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The dog found Josh's scent
inside the abbey
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near the rear of the building,
but no evidence of Josh was ever found.
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Bloodhounds can be trained
to do any number of things,
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tracking and trailing old scents,
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finding human remains
if they're trained for that,
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{\an8}but they aren't always accurate.
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{\an8}And our office was skeptical
of that particular dog team at the time.
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{\an8}There are about a dozen pedophile priests
living on campus at a monastery
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{\an8}not far from where I'm standing.
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{\an8}So far, nothing in this investigation
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{\an8}has connected them
with Guimond's disappearance.
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I believe that if somebody
did something to Joshua
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that had any connection
to that campus whatsoever,
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we're never gonna find him ever.
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Not even a body. Ever.
Because they're too secretive.
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{\an8}In the glow
of the evening light...
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{\an8}...I guess wondering
if I'm ever gonna see him again or...
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{\an8}or know what happened.
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{\an8}The sound of a family still
hoping, still praying for something lost.
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{\an8}Others have been found,
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{\an8}the ones who disappeared
around the same time.
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{\an8}Chris Jenkins, a U of M student,
his body found in February of 2003.
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{\an8}Michael Noll, a student from Wisconsin,
his body found a month later.
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Chris Jenkins and Michael Noll,
both were found in the bodies of water
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that they were near when they disappeared.
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The other two
college students' deaths
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were determined to be not linked
to Josh's disappearance.
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As those
other students were located,
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it became even more ominous
that Josh was still missing.
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{\an8} Because both Chris Jenkins
and Michael Noll
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{\an8}were found in bodies of water,
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it seemed like we would find Josh.
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When the spring came around,
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the theory was
if Josh is in one of the lakes,
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{\an8}the water will warm,
the gases in the body will do their work,
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{\an8}and he'll float.
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And I remember interviewing Katie,
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who said she didn't like
to see the ice forming on the lakes
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because if he's there,
that's gonna trap him.
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She didn't like to see the ice melting
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because that might warm the water enough
to have him float,
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and she didn't want that either.
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It was just a very stressful
and tense time, just wondering like,
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"Is today gonna be the day?"
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{\an8} In the spring,
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{\an8}the Sheriff's Office
started searching the waters right away,
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{\an8}and areas around waters,
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eventually diving multiple times
in multiple bodies of water.
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And I remember
Brian was searching the lakes.
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And he's out there in a kayak.
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And I just couldn't
get over the thought that
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what if his body floated up
right next to that kayak?
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I mean, what would you do as a father?
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If their theory was right,
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he should have been
right there in the water.
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We should've walked right there,
and there he is. "Okay, end of story."
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But that wasn't the case.
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When the Sheriff's Office got done
with their search efforts,
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{\an8}they concluded that
Joshua was not in the water.
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When Joshua's body didn't surface...
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there were so many theories
about what could've happened to him.
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I think the most prevailing theory
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was probably that somebody
that knew Josh or was close to Josh
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did something to Josh.
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Could be a friend. Could be a roommate.
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During our investigation,
one of Josh's roommates told us
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{\an8}that he'd heard an argument
between Nick and Josh earlier that night
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before Josh went missing.
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And the argument involved Katie.
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Josh and I dated for about
four and a half years,
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but by our junior year of college,
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we decided to end our relationship,
and Josh and I broke up.
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When Josh disappeared, we had only been
broken up for a couple of months.
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Right after Josh disappeared,
there was a lot of speculation about
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whether or not
Nick and Katie were together,
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if they were ever romantically involved,
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if that was possibly a motive
for some harm gone to Josh,
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00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:21,951
or was Josh upset
about them getting together
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after Josh and Katie broke up?
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00:28:25,246 --> 00:28:29,709
I think Nick and I did have
a level of attraction toward each other.
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He and I did consider dating.
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You know, we were close.
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00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:34,797
We discussed, you know,
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"Do we wanna try to have some sort
of relationship other than just friends?"
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But I wouldn't call it
a romantic relationship with Katie.
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00:28:41,179 --> 00:28:44,849
I think we kissed one, maybe two times,
and then we decided, "You know what?"
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00:28:44,849 --> 00:28:47,185
"This isn't a route
we wanna go right now."
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Katie and Nick both mentioned
in their statements to us
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that they talked about
Nick's desire to date Katie.
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Nick also drew our attention
in the investigation
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because his timeline
of his whereabouts that evening
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differed from Katie's
original statement to us.
464
00:29:08,915 --> 00:29:13,211
Nick told us he left Katie's apartment
at about 2:30.
465
00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:21,594
And keycard records on campus showed
he keyed into his dorm room at 2:42 hours
466
00:29:22,178 --> 00:29:24,847
on the morning of the 10th of November.
467
00:29:25,598 --> 00:29:29,727
In a statement with Katie,
she told us he left at 1:00 or 1:30.
468
00:29:30,686 --> 00:29:33,147
So you've got over an hour
of unaccounted time there
469
00:29:33,231 --> 00:29:36,484
when the drive between both campuses
is roughly seven to ten minutes,
470
00:29:36,484 --> 00:29:38,194
especially at that time of night.
471
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:43,324
What he's telling us at that point
did not match up with what Katie said.
472
00:29:45,576 --> 00:29:47,954
Nick was asked to take a polygraph
by our office.
473
00:29:47,954 --> 00:29:50,915
Initially, he told us
that he would consider,
474
00:29:50,915 --> 00:29:54,502
and when that polygraph examination
was scheduled, he chose not to take it.
475
00:29:55,545 --> 00:29:58,881
I told them, "No, because
that's not gonna do anybody any good."
476
00:29:58,965 --> 00:30:01,050
"I don't want
there to be some false positive
477
00:30:01,050 --> 00:30:02,802
because they're simply not reliable."
478
00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,264
There was a reason
they're inadmissible in court.
479
00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:11,394
I don't think it's necessarily abnormal
or very strange
480
00:30:11,394 --> 00:30:14,230
that someone in that capacity
wouldn't take it.
481
00:30:14,814 --> 00:30:17,733
The fact that he then declined it
and canceled after the fact is...
482
00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:20,903
is a detail that we must consider.
483
00:30:22,613 --> 00:30:26,409
I don't believe I was directly told that
I was a suspect or person of interest.
484
00:30:27,201 --> 00:30:29,328
I had nothing to do
with Josh's disappearance,
485
00:30:29,412 --> 00:30:32,206
and all I could think was,
"They're not going in the right direction
486
00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:35,835
because this is the one direction I can
say with certainty is the wrong one."
487
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:40,339
I never gave
that theory much credence.
488
00:30:41,048 --> 00:30:44,010
And I was thinking
if they keep looking at Nick,
489
00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:48,431
if they keep viewing him as a suspect,
and as their primary suspect,
490
00:30:48,431 --> 00:30:51,976
and if they're not looking anywhere else,
we're never gonna find Josh.
491
00:30:55,813 --> 00:30:58,941
My initial thought is that
it was some kind of an accident.
492
00:30:59,901 --> 00:31:03,446
And somebody who was involved
maybe tried to cover it up
493
00:31:03,446 --> 00:31:05,948
to avoid any kind of
potential consequences.
494
00:31:12,246 --> 00:31:15,833
Early on, I felt like
there were some people at the party
495
00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:19,086
who had seen him
right before he disappeared,
496
00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:20,880
that I just got this sense that,
497
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,300
"Are they telling me the whole truth,
the full truth?" You know?
498
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:28,137
Or is there something
that's not flattering,
499
00:31:28,137 --> 00:31:31,724
that's maybe embarrassing that happened
that they just don't want anyone to know,
500
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:34,810
that they just...
are never gonna tell anybody?
501
00:31:36,312 --> 00:31:38,272
That always stuck in the back of my head.
502
00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:41,484
They're kids
with goals and aspirations.
503
00:31:41,484 --> 00:31:43,611
They've got their whole life
in front of them.
504
00:31:43,611 --> 00:31:46,447
If they know something
or something happened,
505
00:31:46,447 --> 00:31:49,283
they have a future to protect.
506
00:31:49,367 --> 00:31:53,454
So it could be a motivation
to hide or conceal something.
507
00:31:54,872 --> 00:31:56,666
But if something happened at the party,
508
00:31:56,666 --> 00:32:01,337
I don't think it's possible
to keep ten or 12 kids silent on it.
509
00:32:04,757 --> 00:32:09,261
I believe the kids at the party
know more than they say.
510
00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:12,723
For them to say, "Josh just got up
511
00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:15,434
and said he was going to the bathroom
and never came back."
512
00:32:16,686 --> 00:32:18,980
And nobody wondered where he was.
513
00:32:19,897 --> 00:32:21,357
It doesn't make any sense to me.
514
00:32:21,357 --> 00:32:23,401
There's more to it
than what they're saying.
515
00:32:30,783 --> 00:32:34,829
In the days that followed
the investigation into where Josh went,
516
00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:38,040
the investigators were still looking
at additional physical evidence.
517
00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:41,335
After that initial search,
518
00:32:41,419 --> 00:32:45,131
our office didn't remove the computer
or the hard drive or anything
519
00:32:45,131 --> 00:32:47,216
from Joshua's room.
520
00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:50,094
At the time, they didn't have
any reason to believe that
521
00:32:50,094 --> 00:32:52,054
the computer would yield any information
522
00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:55,224
based on the direction they were going
with that early investigation.
523
00:32:55,224 --> 00:32:59,395
So we got access to the computer
from Brian, and we were able to see
524
00:32:59,395 --> 00:33:02,606
that somebody had used an Internet washer
on Joshua's computer
525
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:04,650
several days after his disappearance.
526
00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:08,946
The Internet
washing program in 2002
527
00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:12,533
was a program that was able
to be installed from the Internet
528
00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:15,703
onto the device,
which then would allow some files
529
00:33:15,703 --> 00:33:17,538
to either be deleted temporarily
530
00:33:17,538 --> 00:33:20,458
or deleted permanently
from the hard drive of a computer.
531
00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:22,084
This Internet washer
532
00:33:22,168 --> 00:33:24,962
was something that had not
been done previously on this computer.
533
00:33:25,046 --> 00:33:27,339
It was obviously suspicious for us
534
00:33:27,423 --> 00:33:30,551
and something that we wanted
to make sure we shed some more light on.
535
00:33:30,551 --> 00:33:33,846
It was not normal
for Josh's use on the computer.
536
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:37,391
After Josh disappeared,
537
00:33:37,475 --> 00:33:39,518
they didn't close his room off
or anything.
538
00:33:39,602 --> 00:33:41,896
So anybody could go in and out.
539
00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:46,817
So Brian made the decision
to get all his stuff out of there
540
00:33:46,901 --> 00:33:50,237
within I think it was two weeks
of Josh being missing.
541
00:33:52,615 --> 00:33:56,619
All the kids in that apartment
could have had access to his computer
542
00:33:56,619 --> 00:33:58,496
and anything else.
543
00:34:00,289 --> 00:34:04,043
I was careful not to
do anything on his computer,
544
00:34:04,043 --> 00:34:06,003
and I didn't wanna disturb anything,
545
00:34:06,003 --> 00:34:08,464
because it struck me
as something that may be significant,
546
00:34:08,464 --> 00:34:10,633
and I was not going to be
messing around with it.
547
00:34:11,217 --> 00:34:14,804
It does seem odd that within days
after someone goes missing,
548
00:34:14,804 --> 00:34:16,597
someone other than the missing person
549
00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:19,058
goes onto their computer
and deletes files.
550
00:34:19,058 --> 00:34:21,769
But we don't know who,
and we don't know what the files were.
551
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,648
So you just felt like
there was more to that computer.
552
00:34:30,528 --> 00:34:33,030
{\an8}We did everything together.
We went to college together.
553
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:35,449
{\an8}We started the next chapter
of our life together,
554
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:38,410
{\an8}and I guess I just assumed that
it would be the same when we graduated.
555
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,206
{\an8} It took me a long time
to realize and accept
556
00:34:42,206 --> 00:34:44,792
{\an8}that Josh was actually a missing person.
557
00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:48,045
{\an8}I kept expecting him to be at class
558
00:34:48,045 --> 00:34:51,966
or to show up at mock trial or just to...
to just be back at campus.
559
00:34:51,966 --> 00:34:56,470
It took me a long time to
really accept that he might not come back.
560
00:34:57,346 --> 00:35:01,267
{\an8} He was my best friend,
and up here on campus, he was my family.
561
00:35:02,643 --> 00:35:06,397
I still remember
graduation in 2003.
562
00:35:06,397 --> 00:35:10,150
It was, for most of the people there,
obviously, they're really happy.
563
00:35:10,234 --> 00:35:12,987
It's a joyous day. I felt none of that.
564
00:35:12,987 --> 00:35:14,738
I just wanted to be done.
565
00:35:16,365 --> 00:35:17,867
I missed him so much.
566
00:35:17,867 --> 00:35:21,287
It was like I lost a part of myself.
567
00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,497
We were really close, and...
568
00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:27,835
I felt a little lost without him.
569
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,758
{\an8}It's been five years since
a St. John's student was last seen.
570
00:35:34,842 --> 00:35:37,136
{\an8}No one knows exactly what happened
to Josh Guimond.
571
00:35:37,136 --> 00:35:40,264
{\an8}Still, his family and friends
hope for his return.
572
00:35:40,264 --> 00:35:41,724
{\an8}It's worse now.
573
00:35:41,724 --> 00:35:44,059
{\an8}It's worse because, you know,
it's like this is the day
574
00:35:44,143 --> 00:35:46,520
{\an8}that marks the fifth year
that he's been gone,
575
00:35:46,604 --> 00:35:50,107
{\an8}and we have no idea
what happened, where he is.
576
00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:59,950
When we looked at this case
and didn't have any specific thing
577
00:36:00,034 --> 00:36:02,703
directing us to what happened,
578
00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:06,081
almost everything was considered.
579
00:36:08,125 --> 00:36:10,336
And specifically in 2008,
580
00:36:10,336 --> 00:36:12,963
the thing that I began looking at
was Josh's computer.
581
00:36:15,382 --> 00:36:18,344
Different people have looked at
the actual original hard drive.
582
00:36:19,553 --> 00:36:21,263
But in 2008,
583
00:36:22,306 --> 00:36:24,683
additional technology started giving me
584
00:36:24,767 --> 00:36:28,187
some new investigative things to look at,
585
00:36:28,187 --> 00:36:29,647
some different possibilities.
586
00:36:30,648 --> 00:36:33,234
I took that hard drive
to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension,
587
00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:34,777
set it up in their lab.
588
00:36:34,777 --> 00:36:36,820
And since that time,
589
00:36:36,904 --> 00:36:40,324
that computer really has been the
most central part of the investigation.
590
00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:42,910
We learned the Internet washer
591
00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:45,996
that we found on Joshua's computer in 2002
592
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,125
would only delete browser history,
cookies, things of that nature.
593
00:36:50,209 --> 00:36:52,628
It wouldn't wipe out a ton of data.
594
00:36:52,628 --> 00:36:56,382
So we still had the vast majority
of the contents of the computer.
595
00:36:56,382 --> 00:37:00,177
We looked at his emails,
which was pretty mundane, normal stuff
596
00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:03,806
that you would expect to see
on a college kid's computer.
597
00:37:03,806 --> 00:37:04,890
Um...
598
00:37:04,974 --> 00:37:06,934
The things that started
to pique my interest
599
00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:10,104
that this could be a key
to solving the case
600
00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:14,608
were he was spending time
on Yahoo! Personals.
601
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:19,196
We identified
three different profiles
602
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,490
that we believe were used by Josh.
603
00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:25,661
One of which has part of his name
and a zip code for the area he lived.
604
00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:29,957
And then two other ones
portray himself as a female.
605
00:37:29,957 --> 00:37:34,003
One is "CoochieCoo2002"
and the other one is "GwenGirlBigJugs."
606
00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:37,756
We know with follow-up
with the individuals later on
607
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,511
that he was chatting online with men
and portraying himself as a female.
608
00:37:43,262 --> 00:37:45,389
The examination of Joshua's computer
609
00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:47,516
leads me to believe
he might have had some secrets
610
00:37:47,516 --> 00:37:49,018
he didn't wanna share with people.
611
00:37:49,018 --> 00:37:51,020
Some of the things
that were on his computer
612
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:52,730
would lead you to believe that maybe
613
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:55,983
he was looking
for casual encounters of some kind,
614
00:37:55,983 --> 00:37:59,653
trying to meet people online that
he didn't necessarily share with anyone.
615
00:38:00,738 --> 00:38:03,365
He might have been
exploring his sexuality,
616
00:38:03,449 --> 00:38:06,243
but at the same time,
the pornography that he looked at
617
00:38:06,327 --> 00:38:12,750
and had on his computer ranged from
heterosexual to homosexual pornography.
618
00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:16,962
And nobody that we interviewed
really had any belief or information
619
00:38:17,046 --> 00:38:20,132
or any indication
that he was homosexual or transgender.
620
00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:25,095
I don't think Josh was gay.
I never got that impression from him.
621
00:38:25,179 --> 00:38:27,765
I wasn't aware of him
exploring anything like that
622
00:38:27,765 --> 00:38:30,225
while we were together when I knew him.
623
00:38:30,309 --> 00:38:33,729
I never saw any sign that he was gay.
624
00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:37,024
So that would surprise me considerably.
625
00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:44,990
From looking at that account,
your mind kind of wanders.
626
00:38:45,074 --> 00:38:47,493
What would you do
if you were the person interacting
627
00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:51,371
with the profile he set up,
and you found out you were talking to
628
00:38:51,455 --> 00:38:55,125
a 20-year-old male college student
at St. John's?
629
00:38:56,210 --> 00:39:00,130
What would that cause someone to do
if they found that out?
630
00:39:00,214 --> 00:39:01,924
Certainly would be embarrassing.
631
00:39:01,924 --> 00:39:06,387
Would it drive you to the point of saying,
"I wanna find out who did that"?
632
00:39:06,387 --> 00:39:10,265
"I wanna go meet that person.
Do I wanna go do harm to that person?"
633
00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:13,644
I don't know what it would cause people
to think. That crossed my mind.
634
00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:18,816
One of the theories
is that Josh potentially met someone
635
00:39:18,816 --> 00:39:20,609
on an instant messaging chat site,
636
00:39:20,609 --> 00:39:24,113
ended up chatting with them ahead of time
to line up maybe some sort of meet-up,
637
00:39:24,113 --> 00:39:26,573
which could explain why
he left in the middle of the night.
638
00:39:29,118 --> 00:39:32,621
Maybe meeting with someone
that he maybe didn't fully know,
639
00:39:32,621 --> 00:39:34,498
and something happened to him.
640
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:43,632
So we looked at the St. John's Life Safety
incident reports that they had back then.
641
00:39:43,632 --> 00:39:47,928
Life Safety Services is the name
for the security staff on campus.
642
00:39:47,928 --> 00:39:51,431
So we're just looking for any complaints
about suspicious activity,
643
00:39:51,515 --> 00:39:54,268
just to look for suspicious vehicles,
suspicious people,
644
00:39:54,268 --> 00:39:58,230
and people on campus that were
not affiliated with the campus in any way.
645
00:39:58,230 --> 00:40:01,650
And there was two incident reports
that really piqued my interest.
646
00:40:02,943 --> 00:40:04,778
In both of those instances,
647
00:40:04,862 --> 00:40:09,074
there was a vehicle
that Life Safety Services had seen
648
00:40:09,158 --> 00:40:13,662
in various different places on campus
on two different nights in 2002,
649
00:40:13,662 --> 00:40:15,706
prior to Joshua's disappearance.
650
00:40:17,291 --> 00:40:21,753
There are several other areas on campus
that are dark, not well lit,
651
00:40:21,837 --> 00:40:23,881
little more remote
on the outskirts of campus
652
00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:26,258
that aren't used typically at night,
653
00:40:26,258 --> 00:40:30,679
that people would frequent
for meetings or hookups.
654
00:40:32,306 --> 00:40:34,808
The places the car was seen
were consistent
655
00:40:34,892 --> 00:40:36,727
with that kind of hookup area.
656
00:40:38,812 --> 00:40:41,523
Campus security stated
in the incident reports
657
00:40:41,607 --> 00:40:43,775
that when they drove up to the vehicle,
658
00:40:45,527 --> 00:40:48,030
they noticed a college-aged male
659
00:40:48,614 --> 00:40:53,785
get out of the front passenger seat
and run off into the darkness.
660
00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:55,913
Life Safety, in their first report,
661
00:40:55,913 --> 00:40:59,917
detailed that the person that
took off running was a college-aged male.
662
00:40:59,917 --> 00:41:02,794
They weren't able
to tell much more than that.
663
00:41:02,878 --> 00:41:04,046
But in the second report,
664
00:41:04,046 --> 00:41:08,300
Life Safety was able to speak with
another college-aged male
665
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,761
who was in the front passenger seat
of that vehicle.
666
00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:13,096
Life Safety detailed in both reports
667
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:15,432
that the passenger
in the front passenger seat
668
00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:17,434
was not identified in either case.
669
00:41:20,896 --> 00:41:25,108
The incident reports specifically state
what the vehicle was,
670
00:41:25,192 --> 00:41:28,237
and they described it as
an orange Pontiac Sunfire.
671
00:41:31,406 --> 00:41:34,910
They had obtained a license plate
number, a vehicle description,
672
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:38,455
and in one instance, had stopped
and spoken with this individual.
673
00:41:39,957 --> 00:41:43,460
He told them he was dropping off
a student on campus.
674
00:41:45,879 --> 00:41:49,091
We have been in contact with
the individual from the incident reports,
675
00:41:49,091 --> 00:41:52,511
and he provided us the same explanation
that he did at the time,
676
00:41:52,511 --> 00:41:56,014
was that he was dropping off a student
from another campus.
677
00:41:57,891 --> 00:42:00,769
And we had an interest
in finding the vehicle
678
00:42:00,769 --> 00:42:02,771
to see if there would be forensic evidence
679
00:42:02,771 --> 00:42:06,525
indicating whether this individual
had any contact with Joshua.
680
00:42:07,401 --> 00:42:11,738
Unfortunately, it's not available to us
because that vehicle has been crushed.
681
00:42:13,824 --> 00:42:16,827
We would like
to identify the student he was with.
682
00:42:17,911 --> 00:42:21,290
And ask how they met this individual,
what the purpose of the meeting was,
683
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:25,377
just to see if it's in any way related
to Joshua's disappearance.
684
00:42:25,377 --> 00:42:27,713
If this person is frequenting the campus,
685
00:42:27,713 --> 00:42:31,425
we wanna know if he had any encounters
or interactions with Joshua.
686
00:42:33,176 --> 00:42:36,388
But also, our Sheriff's Office
is interested in speaking with anybody
687
00:42:36,388 --> 00:42:41,143
who had contact with this male individual
in a Pontiac Sunfire, orange in color,
688
00:42:41,143 --> 00:42:44,313
or any other person
who might have come on campus
689
00:42:44,313 --> 00:42:46,607
for whatever reason at that time.
690
00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:49,901
Investigators have reviewed
some of the identified male photos
691
00:42:49,985 --> 00:42:52,529
from Josh's Yahoo! user account,
692
00:42:52,529 --> 00:42:57,409
and that individual in a Pontiac Sunfire
was not found to match any of those.
693
00:42:59,036 --> 00:43:01,455
I do think that Joshua's
computer activity,
694
00:43:01,455 --> 00:43:03,832
and specifically
being on Yahoo! Personals,
695
00:43:03,832 --> 00:43:06,418
might have contributed
to his disappearance.
696
00:43:06,418 --> 00:43:11,214
It seems probable he was on a dating site
or trying to meet people,
697
00:43:11,298 --> 00:43:16,178
and I think it's probably
our most likely avenue or theory.
698
00:43:17,346 --> 00:43:21,183
When we imaged the hard drive,
we saw a lot of different images,
699
00:43:21,183 --> 00:43:24,895
and some of them are directly linked
to his Yahoo! Personals site.
700
00:43:25,604 --> 00:43:29,316
We have quite a few photos we would like
the public's help in identifying
701
00:43:29,316 --> 00:43:31,151
so we can go out and speak to these people
702
00:43:31,151 --> 00:43:33,612
to see if they have any connection
to Joshua at all,
703
00:43:33,612 --> 00:43:35,322
if they've ever met Joshua,
704
00:43:35,322 --> 00:43:39,034
and why they might appear
on his computer hard drive.
705
00:43:48,585 --> 00:43:50,587
I hung Joshua's photo on the wall
706
00:43:50,587 --> 00:43:52,964
for everybody that's
coming through this office because...
707
00:43:54,341 --> 00:43:56,301
we still have this unsolved case.
708
00:43:57,761 --> 00:44:03,100
And we have to have that
constant daily reminder that it's there
709
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,518
so it's not forgotten.
710
00:44:07,229 --> 00:44:09,356
It's important to me personally.
711
00:44:14,903 --> 00:44:16,822
Disappointment in this case is...
712
00:44:19,491 --> 00:44:22,786
The road ahead
is a long and difficult one.
713
00:44:23,745 --> 00:44:26,748
{\an8}Fortunately, we've been very well equipped
714
00:44:26,832 --> 00:44:29,376
{\an8}to celebrate the conclusion
715
00:44:29,376 --> 00:44:34,214
{\an8}of the last chapter
of the first volume of our lives.
716
00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:38,844
Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine
that we would be 20 years later
717
00:44:38,844 --> 00:44:41,555
and still have no idea
what happened to him.
718
00:44:43,598 --> 00:44:46,226
Josh'd be 39 now,
719
00:44:46,226 --> 00:44:49,771
and I would assume he would...
720
00:44:49,855 --> 00:44:52,441
be a lawyer if not a senator already.
721
00:44:54,568 --> 00:44:57,779
He was gonna go to
some elite law school, maybe Yale,
722
00:44:57,863 --> 00:45:01,074
and then come back to his hometown
of Maple Lake, open up his law practice.
723
00:45:01,158 --> 00:45:03,827
Josh would be the
President of the United States right now
724
00:45:03,827 --> 00:45:05,203
if he hadn't disappeared.
725
00:45:05,287 --> 00:45:07,622
If not president,
on his way to being president.
726
00:45:08,957 --> 00:45:10,584
I always told Josh,
727
00:45:11,334 --> 00:45:14,838
"When you grow up,
in your big political career,
728
00:45:14,838 --> 00:45:15,839
just remember,
729
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:19,760
I'm living in the West Wing
of the mansion,
730
00:45:20,886 --> 00:45:26,099
and you're building your father
a cabin way up north in the woods."
731
00:45:27,309 --> 00:45:30,061
And he said, "I'll do that for you, Mom."
732
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:36,401
I think Josh probably had secrets.
733
00:45:36,485 --> 00:45:40,030
Maybe they got him killed. I don't know.
734
00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:43,742
I wish that whoever knew those secrets
would come forward.
735
00:45:44,493 --> 00:45:45,660
Bring 'em to light.
736
00:45:50,081 --> 00:45:51,416
He's our son.
737
00:45:52,876 --> 00:45:55,670
We wanna know what happened to him.
We love him.
738
00:45:56,213 --> 00:45:58,632
It doesn't make any difference. He's...
739
00:45:58,632 --> 00:46:00,175
He's my son.
740
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:26,493
I remember my mom having dreams
about some weird guy and some lady.
741
00:46:26,493 --> 00:46:29,204
I could see a dungeon,
742
00:46:29,204 --> 00:46:33,792
and they're doing sadistic
and weird things to this girl.
743
00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:39,589
I feel like her spirit
was trying to get in touch with someone.
744
00:46:39,673 --> 00:46:41,466
I think she wants to be found.
745
00:46:42,175 --> 00:46:45,428
How did the boat get out that far?
What happened that day?
746
00:46:45,512 --> 00:46:48,181
He clearly
wasn't killed in that boat.
747
00:46:48,265 --> 00:46:50,267
There's zero biological evidence in there.
748
00:46:50,267 --> 00:46:53,270
This was not a suicide. This is a murder.
749
00:46:54,646 --> 00:46:57,482
The entire place was cleaned.
They were just gone.
750
00:46:57,566 --> 00:47:00,360
There's nothing left.
There is no playbook for kidnapping.