1 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,856 When I moved into that apartment, 2 00:00:21,856 --> 00:00:26,861 I immediately started having bizarre dreams. 3 00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:30,323 I could see a dungeon. 4 00:00:31,741 --> 00:00:33,743 Really weird and dark. 5 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:38,414 But there was one light in there. 6 00:00:41,459 --> 00:00:46,547 And I saw a girl in there and this weird couple. 7 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:52,220 Now, all of a sudden, they're doing creepy things to this girl. 8 00:00:55,223 --> 00:00:57,350 What I discovered 9 00:00:57,350 --> 00:01:01,187 was there's a person that went missing from that apartment. 10 00:01:03,147 --> 00:01:07,610 I feel like her spirit was trying to get in touch with someone. 11 00:01:09,987 --> 00:01:11,239 I think she wants to be found. 12 00:01:48,943 --> 00:01:49,777 Ready? 13 00:01:49,777 --> 00:01:51,279 Yay! 14 00:01:51,279 --> 00:01:53,447 Marilyn! 15 00:01:53,948 --> 00:01:55,449 Hi! 16 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:57,827 - Hi! - That's a big smile! 17 00:01:58,619 --> 00:02:01,497 I am a grandma, I'm a mom, 18 00:02:02,331 --> 00:02:05,501 and I share a name with a famous actress. 19 00:02:06,335 --> 00:02:08,296 {\an8}Jodie Foster, the director. 20 00:02:11,174 --> 00:02:14,510 I was born in Orange County, California. 21 00:02:16,053 --> 00:02:20,349 I had my daughter in 1997, and I was a single mom, 22 00:02:21,642 --> 00:02:24,687 and I moved to Chico, California. 23 00:02:27,732 --> 00:02:29,734 {\an8}I thought it was a beautiful town. 24 00:02:31,903 --> 00:02:33,529 {\an8}There was a college here. 25 00:02:34,822 --> 00:02:39,785 {\an8}It's a small town but big enough to, like, raise a family. 26 00:02:41,871 --> 00:02:46,626 It was quaint and beautiful, and it felt like home. 27 00:02:51,172 --> 00:02:53,049 When I first got to Chico, 28 00:02:54,717 --> 00:02:59,263 I had seen a sign that said "For Rent," and it said "Walnut Garden apartment." 29 00:03:00,806 --> 00:03:02,350 There's flowers. 30 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:03,684 There's a pool. 31 00:03:05,144 --> 00:03:09,899 It looked like, you know, just a regular, nice apartment complex. 32 00:03:11,567 --> 00:03:15,905 {\an8}We moved into the apartment, apartment number 14, 33 00:03:15,905 --> 00:03:19,241 {\an8}January 31st, 2000. 34 00:03:19,951 --> 00:03:22,578 Hannah was three, and I was 33 at the time. 35 00:03:24,330 --> 00:03:26,457 It's hard to explain, but when I first moved in, 36 00:03:26,457 --> 00:03:27,667 it didn't feel peaceful. 37 00:03:29,794 --> 00:03:32,213 It felt kind of, like, dark. 38 00:03:35,758 --> 00:03:37,718 And it had this bizarre smell. 39 00:03:37,718 --> 00:03:42,181 Like, I thought maybe it was a chemical smell from a carpet or something. 40 00:03:42,807 --> 00:03:44,392 And I say to myself, 41 00:03:45,768 --> 00:03:47,687 "Why are you feeling like this?" 42 00:03:49,063 --> 00:03:52,275 And I just think, "Okay, I'm here now in Chico." 43 00:03:52,275 --> 00:03:56,946 "I am gonna start a really peaceful and happy life 44 00:03:56,946 --> 00:03:59,740 for me and my daughter, like, right now." 45 00:04:01,659 --> 00:04:03,577 Then the shit hit the fan. 46 00:04:08,249 --> 00:04:12,169 The first things that seemed out of the ordinary to me, 47 00:04:12,753 --> 00:04:15,673 Hannah had this little pair of pink shoes. 48 00:04:16,465 --> 00:04:20,845 I always kept them by the door so that when we were ready to leave, 49 00:04:20,845 --> 00:04:22,471 she could just put 'em on. 50 00:04:22,972 --> 00:04:27,435 {\an8}I remember my mom was trying to get me ready to go out for the day, 51 00:04:27,435 --> 00:04:29,562 and she was looking for those pink little sneakers. 52 00:04:30,062 --> 00:04:33,149 And she's like, "Where are the sneakers?" You know, "Where are they at?" 53 00:04:33,649 --> 00:04:36,694 I remember them being right in the middle of the bed. 54 00:04:39,822 --> 00:04:41,073 Like, out of nowhere. 55 00:04:42,992 --> 00:04:45,244 And my mom was like, "Did you put those there, Hannah?" 56 00:04:45,244 --> 00:04:46,329 I'm like, "No." 57 00:04:47,955 --> 00:04:52,543 She would be very adamant, like, "Mom, it wasn't me!" 58 00:04:54,253 --> 00:04:57,965 Like, day after day, the shoes would be in the middle of the bed. 59 00:04:59,216 --> 00:05:03,429 So now these shoes are moving, and things progressively got stranger. 60 00:05:05,181 --> 00:05:07,933 There was, like, salt and pepper shakers. 61 00:05:07,933 --> 00:05:10,353 And in the morning, when I'd wake up, 62 00:05:10,353 --> 00:05:13,647 they would be, like, at the very edge of the table. 63 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:16,817 And I thought, "Am I going crazy here?" 64 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:22,990 The things that would happen in the apartment are scary things, 65 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:28,329 but I remember just not really understanding why it was happening. 66 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:35,878 The other thing that was happening was I had these dreams. 67 00:05:37,296 --> 00:05:42,426 I had a dream that there was a girl walking down a street in Chico, 68 00:05:42,426 --> 00:05:48,849 and I saw a couple in either a blue or gray car, 69 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:52,770 and they asked the girl if she wanted a ride. 70 00:05:55,022 --> 00:05:58,609 During the dream, this man came behind her 71 00:05:58,609 --> 00:06:01,362 and put something over her mouth. 72 00:06:01,946 --> 00:06:06,409 Like, "Why am I dreaming about this weird couple?" 73 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:18,671 Then one day, Hannah goes, "Hi!" 74 00:06:20,548 --> 00:06:22,591 And I go, "Who are you saying hi to?" 75 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:27,471 She goes, "That girl right there, Mom!" 76 00:06:30,182 --> 00:06:32,351 I said, "Did someone walk by the window?" 77 00:06:32,852 --> 00:06:35,104 "No, Mom. That girl right there!" 78 00:06:35,104 --> 00:06:40,443 She's insisting that there's a girl. And she said, "She has a white shirt on." 79 00:06:42,611 --> 00:06:45,114 {\an8} I remember calling her "My Liz." 80 00:06:46,699 --> 00:06:49,368 And I remember seeing her vividly. 81 00:06:49,368 --> 00:06:54,748 I just remember her eyes, and her face, and her hair, and everything, 82 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:56,750 just thinking she was just a normal friend. 83 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,127 Just somebody in the house. 84 00:06:58,127 --> 00:07:00,838 Just like one of her regular friends that would come over. 85 00:07:06,594 --> 00:07:10,097 One night, me and Hannah, we went out to dinner. 86 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:11,724 When we came back, 87 00:07:14,018 --> 00:07:18,397 the phone, it was like one of those that you hang on the wall. 88 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:22,902 We found the receiver in the back bedroom, 89 00:07:25,696 --> 00:07:30,451 and all the toys that were in Hannah's room were, like, in a pile. 90 00:07:31,243 --> 00:07:34,079 We had Hannah's Sleep and Snore Ernie Doll. 91 00:07:35,039 --> 00:07:40,336 And Ernie was on the top of the pile, and he had, like, a noose around his neck. 92 00:07:40,336 --> 00:07:43,881 A little shoe string or something on his neck. 93 00:07:46,091 --> 00:07:48,594 I was shaken. I grabbed Hannah, 94 00:07:48,594 --> 00:07:51,555 I scooped her up, and I ran out the front door. 95 00:07:53,057 --> 00:07:55,351 So I call the Chico Police, and I say, 96 00:07:55,893 --> 00:08:00,814 "My daughter and I went out to dinner, we came home, and this is what we found." 97 00:08:01,398 --> 00:08:05,277 And so, the police took a report, and on the other end of the phone, 98 00:08:05,277 --> 00:08:07,696 they're like, "Mmm-hmm. Okay, lady, whatever." 99 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:14,787 I can't even imagine what my mom went through. 100 00:08:16,372 --> 00:08:20,834 Having to take care of your kid and also deal with these, you know, 101 00:08:21,544 --> 00:08:23,754 bizarre things that are happening. 102 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:32,930 It all culminated into this one night in February of 2000. 103 00:08:37,393 --> 00:08:41,021 I woke up in the middle of the night, and then I hear... 104 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:47,319 ...white, staticky TV noise. 105 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:51,198 How's the TV on? 106 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:54,660 You had to literally get up and turn it on. 107 00:08:56,495 --> 00:08:59,164 The cupboards were flapping open. 108 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:04,670 The burner in the kitchen was on high. 109 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:06,130 I feel great! 110 00:09:06,130 --> 00:09:08,882 All of a sudden, the Ernie doll is going... 111 00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:11,302 I feel great! I feel great! 112 00:09:11,302 --> 00:09:13,804 ..."I feel great!" Like, crazily. 113 00:09:13,804 --> 00:09:16,640 I feel great! I feel great! 114 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,018 I thought, "The battery is going dead." 115 00:09:19,018 --> 00:09:20,561 I feel great! 116 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:24,148 So I take the batteries out of the doll. 117 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:32,990 ♪ Twinkle, twinkle, little star ♪ 118 00:09:32,990 --> 00:09:36,452 - ♪ How I wonder... ♪ - The Ernie doll was scary. 119 00:09:36,452 --> 00:09:38,120 ♪ ...little star... ♪ 120 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,123 I remember it going off in the middle of the night, 121 00:09:41,624 --> 00:09:44,877 and then my mom freaking out because there was no batteries in it. 122 00:09:44,877 --> 00:09:49,256 I feel great! I feel great! I feel great! 123 00:09:49,256 --> 00:09:52,301 And then, all of a sudden, boom. 124 00:09:58,098 --> 00:09:59,350 Lights are all on. 125 00:10:00,059 --> 00:10:02,853 "Holy hell! Like, what's happening? Like, what?" 126 00:10:03,437 --> 00:10:09,109 I feel great! I feel great! I feel great! 127 00:10:09,109 --> 00:10:11,153 So I went to the neighbor, 128 00:10:11,153 --> 00:10:14,740 who was actually the manager of the apartment complex. 129 00:10:16,241 --> 00:10:20,954 I knock on her door, and I say, "There's something wrong." 130 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:25,000 So she grabbed her little poodle, and she went into the apartment. 131 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:31,215 The dog jumps out of her arms, and it's barking like... 132 00:10:31,757 --> 00:10:33,342 I feel great! 133 00:10:33,342 --> 00:10:37,221 And then all of a sudden, there's this lamp with the cord on it, 134 00:10:37,221 --> 00:10:40,766 and the cord is swinging in the air like a jump rope. 135 00:10:40,766 --> 00:10:43,310 - I feel great! - We're all just screaming. 136 00:10:43,310 --> 00:10:45,604 The dog's barking. She grabs the dog. 137 00:10:45,604 --> 00:10:47,189 I feel great! 138 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:49,066 We hightailed it out of there. 139 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,993 So, by now, it's about six o'clock in the morning. 140 00:11:01,912 --> 00:11:03,997 And I'm sitting out at the pool just crying. 141 00:11:06,708 --> 00:11:10,379 And then this older man who was walking his dog, 142 00:11:10,379 --> 00:11:13,716 who had lived there for, like, about 25 years, 143 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:17,177 he says, "You know, Jodi, 144 00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:20,597 nobody lives in that apartment very long." 145 00:11:21,807 --> 00:11:24,893 And I go, "What? What do you mean? What are you talking about?" 146 00:11:26,895 --> 00:11:30,107 And I'm crying at this point. Like, "Please tell me why." 147 00:11:31,108 --> 00:11:33,235 So he looks at me, and he says, 148 00:11:33,235 --> 00:11:36,780 "There was a girl who lived there in the apartment." 149 00:11:38,157 --> 00:11:39,825 "Apartment number 14." 150 00:11:40,451 --> 00:11:42,411 "I can't remember her name, 151 00:11:43,078 --> 00:11:46,290 but she's been missing ever since." 152 00:11:51,712 --> 00:11:54,798 {\an8} On January 31st, 1976, 153 00:11:54,798 --> 00:11:58,343 {\an8}the Chico Police Department received a missing person report 154 00:11:58,343 --> 00:12:00,220 {\an8}on Marie Elizabeth Spannhake. 155 00:12:01,972 --> 00:12:04,266 She went by the nickname "Marliz." 156 00:12:06,769 --> 00:12:10,314 The missing persons report indicated she was a white female, 157 00:12:10,314 --> 00:12:14,943 5'5", brown hair, 110 pounds. 158 00:12:14,943 --> 00:12:18,030 Her boyfriend indicated in the report 159 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:22,075 that they had gone to a flea market in Chico, 160 00:12:22,701 --> 00:12:25,954 and they got into a disagreement about something, 161 00:12:25,954 --> 00:12:31,335 and Marliz decided to walk home instead of riding with him. 162 00:12:34,588 --> 00:12:37,549 He last seen her walking on Mangrove Avenue, 163 00:12:38,175 --> 00:12:39,802 away from this flea market, 164 00:12:40,469 --> 00:12:46,642 and no one had seen nor heard from Marie Elizabeth Spannhake 165 00:12:46,642 --> 00:12:51,271 since January 31st, 1976. 166 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:02,824 Marliz was my sister. 167 00:13:05,410 --> 00:13:09,081 {\an8}She was only in Chico about two months before she disappeared. 168 00:13:15,045 --> 00:13:17,381 We are from Cleveland, Ohio. 169 00:13:18,507 --> 00:13:21,426 There were seven of us all together in the family. 170 00:13:21,426 --> 00:13:23,720 I was the oldest girl, 171 00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:28,517 and then Marliz was three years younger than me, 172 00:13:28,517 --> 00:13:30,185 and she did have a good personality. 173 00:13:30,185 --> 00:13:33,522 She was very outgoing. She was very friendly. 174 00:13:34,481 --> 00:13:39,069 She had this long, naturally curly brown hair, 175 00:13:39,069 --> 00:13:41,863 and she had eyes as blue as the sky. 176 00:13:43,615 --> 00:13:45,200 She was very beautiful. 177 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:50,956 {\an8}In 1975, 178 00:13:51,832 --> 00:13:54,376 {\an8}Marliz worked with this hoodlum, 179 00:13:54,376 --> 00:13:56,962 my mom called him, John Baruth. 180 00:13:56,962 --> 00:13:57,921 They fell in love. 181 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,259 He came from California, 182 00:14:02,259 --> 00:14:05,012 and he was moving back to California 183 00:14:05,012 --> 00:14:07,139 and asked Marliz to come with him. 184 00:14:07,723 --> 00:14:09,057 And she did. 185 00:14:12,978 --> 00:14:16,565 I think Marliz's ultimate dream was to become an actor. 186 00:14:21,445 --> 00:14:23,155 She was just so happy. 187 00:14:24,531 --> 00:14:26,325 And I was excited for her. 188 00:14:27,409 --> 00:14:28,452 A big step. 189 00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:42,966 And then she wrote me a couple of times. 190 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:47,429 She told me that she wasn't liking it too much in California. 191 00:14:52,601 --> 00:14:56,605 It wasn't what she had dreamed it to be. 192 00:14:59,858 --> 00:15:04,279 I think she was having trouble with John a little bit, you know, just spats. 193 00:15:07,532 --> 00:15:09,576 And she had nobody to run to. 194 00:15:09,576 --> 00:15:11,495 Nobody to talk to. 195 00:15:12,454 --> 00:15:15,040 Marliz said she was coming home in April. 196 00:15:16,625 --> 00:15:19,503 And she never came home. Yeah. 197 00:15:34,351 --> 00:15:38,522 I knew there was something going on in that apartment that was not me. 198 00:15:40,857 --> 00:15:46,571 I think some people are born with certain spiritual qualities. 199 00:15:47,239 --> 00:15:50,742 Some people are more sensitive or empathic than others. 200 00:15:50,742 --> 00:15:53,954 And I think that, for some reason, 201 00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:59,626 my daughter and I both are just sensitive to subtle paranormal energy. 202 00:16:01,795 --> 00:16:05,841 And the weird thing is, when I moved into that apartment, 203 00:16:05,841 --> 00:16:10,512 I felt this impending doom sort of feeling, 204 00:16:10,512 --> 00:16:13,306 like something terrible was about to happen. 205 00:16:15,642 --> 00:16:20,480 My bizarre dreams progressively got weirder and stranger. 206 00:16:22,107 --> 00:16:25,861 Now I'm seeing a location, 207 00:16:25,861 --> 00:16:30,615 and I'm seeing a couple with a young woman. 208 00:16:32,534 --> 00:16:34,077 She was a teenager. 209 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:38,749 She had, like, auburn hair in the dream. 210 00:16:44,588 --> 00:16:47,215 And I could see that they were in a house. 211 00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:51,970 Like a, um, root cellar. 212 00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:56,266 It looked kind of strangely like a dungeon. 213 00:17:03,523 --> 00:17:07,319 And there was this weird hook, 214 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,780 like a really big logging hook. 215 00:17:12,074 --> 00:17:13,700 They had this girl, like... 216 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,328 There was something around her arms, 217 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:19,748 and then she had something on her mouth. 218 00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:23,335 Now, all of a sudden, 219 00:17:23,335 --> 00:17:27,339 they're doing sadistic and weird things to this girl. 220 00:17:27,339 --> 00:17:29,674 Like, sexually creepy things. 221 00:17:33,011 --> 00:17:36,932 I remember my mom telling me about 222 00:17:36,932 --> 00:17:40,727 having dreams about some weird guy and some lady. 223 00:17:43,855 --> 00:17:47,984 And it gave her a lot of anxiety and a lot of questions. 224 00:17:50,529 --> 00:17:54,533 It's hard to talk about a little bit because it gives me a little bit of PTSD, 225 00:17:55,033 --> 00:17:59,204 um, because of the things that happened in that apartment. 226 00:18:00,622 --> 00:18:03,166 I didn't want something to happen to Hannah. 227 00:18:03,959 --> 00:18:06,169 So being a single mom, 228 00:18:07,546 --> 00:18:09,381 I took my daughter and I moved. 229 00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:15,428 I only stayed in that apartment for, like, three months. 230 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:18,890 That's not a very long time, but it seemed like forever. 231 00:18:19,808 --> 00:18:23,353 I just thought, "I don't wanna have anything to do with this anymore." 232 00:18:23,353 --> 00:18:26,523 And so we went to a different apartment in Chico. 233 00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:31,528 When I got out of there, I thought it was done. 234 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:33,572 This was behind me. 235 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,912 I ended up dating this guy. 236 00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:47,627 And so, one day, he came across this book called the Perfect Victim. 237 00:18:49,379 --> 00:18:51,506 {\an8}He starts reading through this book, 238 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:55,844 and then he comes back to my house, and he's like, "Jodi!" 239 00:18:55,844 --> 00:18:57,929 "Oh my God! You're not gonna believe this!" 240 00:18:59,264 --> 00:19:04,477 There was a girl that had gone missing from my apartment. 241 00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:11,735 And he found an article about a missing girl 242 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:14,279 from 1976. 243 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:16,907 She had a nickname. 244 00:19:18,408 --> 00:19:19,826 "Marliz." 245 00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:24,414 I was like, "Oh my God." 246 00:19:25,332 --> 00:19:27,250 Hannah, when she was little, 247 00:19:28,418 --> 00:19:31,630 kept saying she was talking to somebody called "My Liz." 248 00:19:33,089 --> 00:19:38,303 I remember my mom telling me about the research she was doing. 249 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,808 She's like, "I need to tell you something. I need to talk to you about something." 250 00:19:43,808 --> 00:19:45,352 "Do you remember My Liz?" 251 00:19:46,144 --> 00:19:47,312 I'm like, "Yes." 252 00:19:49,564 --> 00:19:51,441 And she's like, "I'm gonna show you something." 253 00:19:53,109 --> 00:19:55,612 And then she showed me the picture of her. 254 00:19:57,405 --> 00:20:02,494 And I'm like, "That is the girl that was in the apartment with us." 255 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:06,289 My stomach dropped. 256 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:09,960 That was so freaky. Oh my God. 257 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,254 And that's when I'm like, "Where is she?" 258 00:20:12,254 --> 00:20:13,505 "Where's Marliz?" 259 00:20:13,505 --> 00:20:16,466 "How come no one has been able to find her?" 260 00:20:17,217 --> 00:20:21,554 Then I learned that the disappearance of Marliz 261 00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:25,725 had been connected possibly to a couple in Red Bluff. 262 00:20:35,485 --> 00:20:38,196 {\an8} November 7th, 1984, 263 00:20:38,196 --> 00:20:41,324 {\an8}my supervisor, who was head of the detective division, 264 00:20:41,324 --> 00:20:42,450 {\an8}came to me and said, 265 00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:45,745 "I need you to respond to the Church of Nazarene." 266 00:20:54,838 --> 00:20:57,841 The first thing that I see when I get to the church... 267 00:20:59,968 --> 00:21:01,845 is Pastor Dabney 268 00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:06,433 and a woman named Janice Hooker. 269 00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:13,148 I notice that Janice was extremely emotionally upset. 270 00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:18,862 She indicated that, in 1976, 271 00:21:18,862 --> 00:21:20,864 her husband Cameron 272 00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:24,868 had kidnapped and killed a girl in Chico, California. 273 00:21:26,745 --> 00:21:30,832 Janice's reasoning to come forward was she was afraid of Cameron. 274 00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:35,837 Also, Janice had a lot of guilt built up 275 00:21:35,837 --> 00:21:39,424 for what had occurred over the years at different times. 276 00:21:40,508 --> 00:21:42,510 Detective Shamblin realized 277 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:47,515 {\an8}that some of this information may be incriminating towards Janice herself, 278 00:21:47,515 --> 00:21:51,353 so Al read her her rights, per Miranda, and after reading her rights, 279 00:21:51,353 --> 00:21:54,731 Janice decided she didn't wanna talk anymore without an attorney. 280 00:21:56,357 --> 00:21:59,110 So then I called the District Attorney's Office, 281 00:22:00,570 --> 00:22:04,199 gave the district attorney the information that I had 282 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:08,411 and what information that I didn't have. 283 00:22:10,413 --> 00:22:11,956 And he, at that time, 284 00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:16,836 decided to grant immunity to Janice for her cooperation. 285 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:23,384 After granting the immunity, I interviewed Janice in detail. 286 00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:28,431 Janice told me that the victim that they kidnapped in Chico 287 00:22:28,431 --> 00:22:32,102 was named "Marliz." 288 00:22:32,102 --> 00:22:33,895 Marliz Spannhake. 289 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:43,530 On January 31st, 1976, 290 00:22:44,447 --> 00:22:48,076 Janice and Cameron had seen her walking on Mangrove Avenue. 291 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:55,333 And Cameron had circled her a couple of times. 292 00:22:56,543 --> 00:23:01,589 Janice knew what he was going to do. She knew he wanted to kidnap a woman. 293 00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:08,596 She was walking along. 294 00:23:12,433 --> 00:23:14,936 He offers a ride. He's there with his wife. 295 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:17,439 It looks very safe. 296 00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:23,111 She gets in. 297 00:23:24,946 --> 00:23:27,824 And then Cameron is asking questions. 298 00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:30,618 {\an8}"What's your name? Where are you from? Where are you going?" 299 00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:33,913 {\an8}She didn't have family nearby. No one knew where she'd gone. 300 00:23:39,294 --> 00:23:44,549 He was looking for this type of woman who didn't have any ties to the community. 301 00:23:47,635 --> 00:23:50,805 At one point, she started to get out of the vehicle, 302 00:23:50,805 --> 00:23:55,852 and Cameron grabbed her with a knife to her throat, 303 00:23:55,852 --> 00:23:57,604 drug her back into the car, 304 00:23:58,688 --> 00:24:02,108 and they placed a head box over the top of her head. 305 00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:11,367 {\an8} The head box was constructed of wood and Styrofoam, 306 00:24:12,243 --> 00:24:13,995 and it had hinges on it. 307 00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:18,374 So he would enclose the head with this head box, 308 00:24:18,374 --> 00:24:20,543 encompass the entire head inside the head box, 309 00:24:21,544 --> 00:24:23,046 and with that foam in there, 310 00:24:23,046 --> 00:24:26,883 it basically prevented the person to be heard from any distance. 311 00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:31,054 If someone abducted you off the street 312 00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:33,973 and put a 20-pound head box over your head, 313 00:24:33,973 --> 00:24:36,893 you'd be so disoriented, you wouldn't know what was going on. 314 00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:40,104 But Cameron wanted to muffle screams. 315 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:46,402 He was very concerned about his captive alerting the neighbors. 316 00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,825 And then they drove about 40 miles 317 00:24:54,035 --> 00:24:58,206 all the way back to the house on Oak Street in Red Bluff. 318 00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:06,256 Janice said that when they got back to their house in Red Bluff, 319 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:09,968 they pulled up to the garage in the back of the house. 320 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:18,935 When Janice and Cameron owned this house, none of this... 321 00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:20,144 none of this was here, 322 00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:23,898 so they actually pulled the car into the garage, parked the car. 323 00:25:25,692 --> 00:25:28,611 Cameron got out and closed the door. 324 00:25:31,781 --> 00:25:33,700 Janice was in the house for a few minutes. 325 00:25:34,325 --> 00:25:38,454 She came back out, at which time Marliz was outside the vehicle, 326 00:25:38,454 --> 00:25:41,457 the head box was off of her, and she was in a disoriented state. 327 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:46,713 Janice could smell ether in the air. 328 00:25:46,713 --> 00:25:50,758 She asked him what he had done, and he said he had sprayed starting fluid 329 00:25:50,758 --> 00:25:54,387 into the rag and put that over Marliz's mouth 330 00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:56,347 to make her semi-unconscious. 331 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,814 After getting out of the garage area, they carried her into the basement. 332 00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:12,071 Although he was fascinated 333 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:14,490 with the torturing and the dominance of people, 334 00:26:15,533 --> 00:26:19,704 Cameron did not like the screaming of somebody he was torturing. 335 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:25,501 {\an8}So Cameron read that if you cut a person's vocal cords, 336 00:26:25,501 --> 00:26:27,962 {\an8}they will no longer be able to yell or scream. 337 00:26:29,589 --> 00:26:32,842 Janice said that Cameron lifted Marliz up 338 00:26:32,842 --> 00:26:34,844 and took her up to the bathroom. 339 00:26:36,971 --> 00:26:41,100 Cameron was very invested in keeping this sex slave 340 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:45,772 utterly cowed and utterly terrorized. 341 00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:48,816 But Cameron made a mistake with Marliz. 342 00:26:50,526 --> 00:26:54,947 Janice, at first, refused to help him with the cutting of her throat, 343 00:26:56,032 --> 00:26:58,743 and Cameron threatened her that if she didn't help him, 344 00:26:58,743 --> 00:27:00,912 he was going to do the same thing to her. 345 00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:06,959 So she ultimately agreed and sat down next to Marliz on the bathroom floor 346 00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:10,672 while Cameron started cutting one side of Marliz's throat 347 00:27:10,672 --> 00:27:12,965 to try and reach her vocal cords. 348 00:27:13,841 --> 00:27:16,177 But he didn't know what he was doing. 349 00:27:17,345 --> 00:27:21,182 Marliz began bleeding heavily, so Cameron kind of got freaked out. 350 00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:25,603 He stopped because he realized he wasn't gonna be successful. 351 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:31,526 Cameron lifted Marliz up and took her back down into the basement. 352 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,033 There's a couple holes up in here where these... 353 00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:41,869 these eye hooks would have existed. 354 00:27:44,997 --> 00:27:48,584 Janice came down here after Cameron had cut her throat. 355 00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:51,337 She saw Marliz hanging from the beam. 356 00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:53,297 The rope was around her neck. 357 00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:59,554 Janice said she felt that Cameron had strangled her with the rope 358 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:03,850 {\an8}and then hung her by the beam, unclothed, 359 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,519 {\an8}with a pillowcase over her head. 360 00:28:08,855 --> 00:28:11,023 She was dead at that point in time. 361 00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:20,241 Janice said they then carried the body back out to the car. 362 00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:24,620 By this time, it was about two o'clock in the morning. 363 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:33,421 They drove 30 miles north of Red Bluff on Interstate 5. 364 00:28:33,421 --> 00:28:39,010 They then took Highway 44 east towards Lassen Park, 365 00:28:40,303 --> 00:28:43,055 where they turned off on a dirt road. 366 00:28:54,025 --> 00:28:57,653 Janice said Cameron dug a shallow grave... 367 00:29:01,699 --> 00:29:04,744 and buried Marie Elizabeth Spannhake's body. 368 00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:11,876 After the burial, he burned all of her clothing, 369 00:29:11,876 --> 00:29:13,419 all of her belongings. 370 00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:20,802 The kidnapping took, from start to finish, about ten to 12 hours. 371 00:29:23,846 --> 00:29:26,474 So he kidnapped her, killed her, 372 00:29:26,474 --> 00:29:30,853 buried her all within a half of a day. 373 00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:41,072 During my initial interview with Janice, 374 00:29:41,072 --> 00:29:45,618 she started talking about the kidnapping of another victim, Colleen Stan, 375 00:29:45,618 --> 00:29:47,495 in Red Bluff, California. 376 00:29:53,209 --> 00:29:55,670 {\an8} Colleen Stan came down from Eugene 377 00:29:56,254 --> 00:30:00,299 and was hitchhiking through town to surprise a friend. 378 00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:02,844 Cameron and Janice pick her up. 379 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:08,224 He threatens her, forces her down, puts the head box on her. 380 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,564 When you look at the abduction of Marie Elizabeth Spannhake, 381 00:30:14,564 --> 00:30:17,400 it very much mirrors that of Colleen Stan. 382 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,112 Marliz was 18. Colleen was 20. 383 00:30:22,029 --> 00:30:23,447 They both had long hair. 384 00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:27,994 They had no association to the surrounding area. 385 00:30:29,412 --> 00:30:35,418 {\an8} Janice told us that Cameron kept Colleen as a hostage for seven years. 386 00:30:36,794 --> 00:30:41,799 {\an8}Against Colleen, he had committed a number of sex crimes. 387 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:49,515 He kept her under a water bed for 20 hours a day and tortured her. 388 00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:56,105 And then, in 1984, Janice comes to Colleen 389 00:30:56,105 --> 00:30:59,108 and tells her that she's going to leave Cameron. 390 00:31:00,318 --> 00:31:02,945 I think Janice was having 391 00:31:03,696 --> 00:31:07,033 a spiritual crisis. 392 00:31:07,742 --> 00:31:10,077 She was 16 when she married Cameron 393 00:31:10,077 --> 00:31:16,667 and 17 when Janice says he murders Marliz. 394 00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:20,004 And now she knows her husband is capable of murder. 395 00:31:20,796 --> 00:31:26,510 So she has this period of time of years, I mean, almost nine years, 396 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:30,264 where she's trying to do what Cameron wants her to do 397 00:31:31,182 --> 00:31:32,808 and not get into trouble. 398 00:31:33,476 --> 00:31:36,896 So this is a very dangerous situation, if you're a female, 399 00:31:36,896 --> 00:31:38,272 to be in that household. 400 00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:41,651 She was coming unglued. 401 00:31:41,651 --> 00:31:45,905 She was mentally just at her last rope. 402 00:31:46,781 --> 00:31:48,324 When Janice comes to her, 403 00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:52,787 Colleen begs Janice not to go 404 00:31:52,787 --> 00:31:56,499 because Colleen is afraid of what's gonna happen to her 405 00:31:56,499 --> 00:31:58,793 if it's just her and Cameron. 406 00:31:58,793 --> 00:32:02,672 So Janice and Colleen just kept it a big secret 407 00:32:02,672 --> 00:32:05,091 until Cameron went to work the next morning, 408 00:32:05,091 --> 00:32:06,926 and then they packed their belongings, 409 00:32:06,926 --> 00:32:11,263 and both of them left and went to Janice's parents' house. 410 00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:17,728 For a while, Janice stayed with her parents. 411 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:23,067 Colleen hadn't contacted the police. She had promised Janice that she wouldn't. 412 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:27,822 Colleen told her family some of what happened, 413 00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:32,576 but it wasn't until Janice came to us three months later 414 00:32:32,576 --> 00:32:35,496 that she said anything to law enforcement. 415 00:32:37,915 --> 00:32:39,208 The police called, 416 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,586 {\an8}and so then I talked to them for several hours, 417 00:32:42,586 --> 00:32:45,631 {\an8}giving my statement about what happened. 418 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:48,175 Afterwards, they said, 419 00:32:48,843 --> 00:32:52,221 "Well, everything you say matches what Janice told us." 420 00:32:53,431 --> 00:32:54,807 And so then they said, 421 00:32:54,807 --> 00:32:57,893 "Well, do you know anything about this woman, Marliz?" 422 00:33:00,354 --> 00:33:02,857 And I said, "The only thing I can tell you 423 00:33:03,566 --> 00:33:08,028 is that he had this picture that I saw." 424 00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:11,615 So then I described her, and they said, "That's Marliz." 425 00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:19,331 At that point, we knew we had a kidnapping and homicide in Chico. 426 00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:22,710 We also had the other kidnapping with Colleen Stan, 427 00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:29,049 but to be able to continue with the homicide of Marliz, 428 00:33:29,049 --> 00:33:31,343 we needed Janice's cooperation. 429 00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:34,221 They didn't have a body, didn't have any evidence. 430 00:33:34,221 --> 00:33:38,058 They had nothing except Janice's testimony. 431 00:33:38,058 --> 00:33:42,605 And so police realized that, without her, they didn't have a case. 432 00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:46,984 Without having a body, it would be very difficult 433 00:33:46,984 --> 00:33:51,697 to prosecute someone and obtain a conviction. 434 00:33:56,076 --> 00:33:58,996 So we wanted Janice to go with us 435 00:33:59,580 --> 00:34:04,877 and show us where they had buried Marie Elizabeth Spannhake's body. 436 00:34:07,922 --> 00:34:12,343 We drove several trips out east of Redding 437 00:34:12,343 --> 00:34:15,763 on both Highway 44 and Highway 299, 438 00:34:17,473 --> 00:34:20,851 checking all the roads off on the right-hand side 439 00:34:21,936 --> 00:34:25,356 to see if Janice could locate the road that they had taken. 440 00:34:29,485 --> 00:34:31,654 There's a lot of country out there 441 00:34:33,072 --> 00:34:36,909 that you could easily dispose of a body and nobody would ever find it. 442 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,292 After taking Janice on a number of trips 443 00:34:45,292 --> 00:34:48,003 and not being able to locate the burial site, 444 00:34:49,255 --> 00:34:51,257 the District Attorney's Office 445 00:34:51,257 --> 00:34:55,219 felt that there was not enough information to pursue the homicide. 446 00:34:56,887 --> 00:34:58,764 The risk would be that 447 00:34:58,764 --> 00:35:02,017 if he took the homicide to trial now and lost it, 448 00:35:03,144 --> 00:35:07,606 that we would not be able to retry Cameron for that. 449 00:35:14,989 --> 00:35:17,783 The homicide of Marie Elizabeth Spannhake 450 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:20,119 was the most important to us, 451 00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:27,626 but we pursued the other kidnap case of Colleen Stan 452 00:35:28,586 --> 00:35:31,088 to make sure that Cameron went to jail. 453 00:35:33,382 --> 00:35:35,426 Hooker was arrested and charged 454 00:35:35,426 --> 00:35:40,264 with 17 counts of rape, kidnap, sodomy, and false imprisonment. 455 00:35:40,264 --> 00:35:44,226 In 1985, Cameron Hooker went to trial 456 00:35:44,226 --> 00:35:48,856 for the sex crimes and kidnapping of Colleen Stan. 457 00:35:48,856 --> 00:35:51,025 Hooker kept her naked and handcuffed 458 00:35:51,025 --> 00:35:52,985 inside a wooden, coffin-sized box. 459 00:35:52,985 --> 00:35:56,197 When the story broke, everyone focused on Colleen Stan. 460 00:35:56,197 --> 00:35:57,781 ...kidnapping Colleen Stan... 461 00:35:57,781 --> 00:35:59,366 ...assaulting Colleen Stan... 462 00:35:59,366 --> 00:36:01,076 Colleen Stan has a boyfriend... 463 00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:02,161 Colleen Stan... 464 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:03,871 It was such a sensational story 465 00:36:03,871 --> 00:36:06,707 to be kidnapped and held captive for over seven years. 466 00:36:07,291 --> 00:36:10,419 She was stripped, slashed with a leather whip, 467 00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:13,839 and then watched as Hooker had sex with his wife on a tabletop. 468 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:14,924 Hooker is on trial... 469 00:36:14,924 --> 00:36:19,845 How can a person do that to somebody, you know, and not feel bad? 470 00:36:21,513 --> 00:36:24,225 He's more than capable of torturing somebody. 471 00:36:25,184 --> 00:36:27,394 I know because he did it to me. 472 00:36:27,394 --> 00:36:29,897 {\an8}He did it through hanging. He did it through whipping. 473 00:36:29,897 --> 00:36:33,400 {\an8}He did it through torture. He did it through electric shocking. 474 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,860 He did it through burning. 475 00:36:36,779 --> 00:36:38,656 In the house on Oak Street, 476 00:36:38,656 --> 00:36:41,492 which was the same one that he took Marliz to, 477 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:47,581 he tells me, "Go ahead and scream. I'll cut your vocal cords." 478 00:36:47,581 --> 00:36:49,208 "I've done it before." 479 00:36:50,626 --> 00:36:52,711 Then I find out about Marliz, 480 00:36:52,711 --> 00:36:55,881 and I find out that one of the things he did to her 481 00:36:56,882 --> 00:36:58,634 was he cut her vocal cords 482 00:36:58,634 --> 00:37:02,137 'cause she was screaming and screaming and screaming, 483 00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:04,223 and he wanted to shut her up. 484 00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:08,811 He's more than capable of murdering somebody. 485 00:37:10,437 --> 00:37:11,814 I have no doubt. 486 00:37:13,232 --> 00:37:15,818 The young woman, speaking in a faint voice, 487 00:37:15,818 --> 00:37:18,988 recalled her abduction at knifepoint in May 1977. 488 00:37:18,988 --> 00:37:21,699 The trial was six weeks and there was a lot of media there. 489 00:37:21,699 --> 00:37:24,702 She was hung from a ceiling of Cameron Hooker's basement... 490 00:37:24,702 --> 00:37:28,622 She said Hooker chained her hand and foot, shocked her with electrical cords. 491 00:37:28,622 --> 00:37:31,542 She had this appalling device locked over her head. 492 00:37:31,542 --> 00:37:34,503 There was the torture, the forcible rapes. 493 00:37:34,503 --> 00:37:36,922 Years of confinement in a wooden box... 494 00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:40,676 "The situation was perfect," he said. "She was a good slave." 495 00:37:42,511 --> 00:37:46,682 I just learned that the more I fought him, 496 00:37:46,682 --> 00:37:49,059 the longer the torture was, 497 00:37:49,059 --> 00:37:52,730 the more it went on, the more excited he got. 498 00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:59,611 Where if I could just try to tolerate the pain the best I could 499 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:03,032 and let him do his... whatever he did, 500 00:38:03,032 --> 00:38:07,077 well, then he would kind of lose interest, you know? 501 00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:08,537 And, uh... 502 00:38:08,537 --> 00:38:10,289 And it would be over quicker. 503 00:38:14,752 --> 00:38:19,506 The details that came out during that trial were just staggering, 504 00:38:20,257 --> 00:38:22,301 but none of that had to do with Marliz. 505 00:38:22,301 --> 00:38:25,846 ...against Hooker, prosecutor Christine McGuire told the jury 506 00:38:25,846 --> 00:38:29,892 that Hooker alternated between sexual torture and mind control. 507 00:38:29,892 --> 00:38:33,604 The prosecutor had wanted to introduce Marliz 508 00:38:33,604 --> 00:38:35,898 to show that he had a method 509 00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:39,818 and a history of this kind of behavior. 510 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:41,612 It does appear to have what is... 511 00:38:41,612 --> 00:38:43,364 I would guess is air holes in it. 512 00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:47,242 But everything about Marliz was kept out as too prejudicial 513 00:38:47,951 --> 00:38:50,079 because there's no evidence of a murder. 514 00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:58,712 We were forbidden from mentioning Marliz or saying anything about her in the trial. 515 00:39:01,048 --> 00:39:04,927 All we could talk about was what he did to me, 516 00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:10,224 and Judge Knight said, at his sentencing hearing, he said... 517 00:39:10,224 --> 00:39:13,394 I consider this defendant to be probably the most dangerous psychopath 518 00:39:13,394 --> 00:39:16,397 that I've ever dealt with, if for no other reason 519 00:39:16,397 --> 00:39:19,066 than he appears to be exactly the opposite of what he is. 520 00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:20,651 He said, 521 00:39:20,651 --> 00:39:24,238 "I feel you'll always be a danger to women as long as you're alive." 522 00:39:24,238 --> 00:39:29,159 And so he told him, "I'm gonna give you as much time as I can." 523 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:30,536 And he did. 524 00:39:31,453 --> 00:39:35,165 Cameron was convicted on ten counts. 525 00:39:35,165 --> 00:39:36,834 Kidnapping, 526 00:39:36,834 --> 00:39:38,001 rape, 527 00:39:38,001 --> 00:39:42,756 sodomy, other sexual charges that could be sentenced consecutively, 528 00:39:42,756 --> 00:39:45,968 and he was sentenced to 104 years. 529 00:39:45,968 --> 00:39:49,012 Serving the sentences for all the crimes at once. 530 00:39:49,555 --> 00:39:51,765 Cameron was sent to prison, 531 00:39:51,765 --> 00:39:56,562 and the Colleen Stan case was resolved. 532 00:40:03,444 --> 00:40:07,614 The homicide of Marie Elizabeth Spannhake was still open. 533 00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:10,993 But it was not active 534 00:40:10,993 --> 00:40:16,748 because we didn't really have any new information or avenues to proceed 535 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:18,083 that we could see. 536 00:40:22,796 --> 00:40:25,090 I think I was just so angry, 537 00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:29,428 {\an8}probably at everybody, for not being able to find her body. 538 00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:32,514 You know? Because we all knew she was gone. 539 00:40:33,474 --> 00:40:38,270 I was just more angry that nothing was said or done about it 540 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:39,938 during the trial. 541 00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:43,358 This is all after his trial was over with, and I'm like, 542 00:40:43,358 --> 00:40:47,779 "He's in there for kidnapping and whatever else he did to Colleen, 543 00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:50,199 but what about my sister's murder?" 544 00:40:58,749 --> 00:41:01,627 When I moved out of the Walnut Garden apartment, 545 00:41:02,544 --> 00:41:04,880 things were normal, you know. 546 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,718 I never experienced anything weird physically moving in my apartment 547 00:41:09,718 --> 00:41:10,886 or anything again. 548 00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:16,683 When I got out of there, it was like a lifesaver for me. 549 00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:22,356 But about a year later, 550 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:26,443 all of a sudden, I would have dreams again. 551 00:41:27,945 --> 00:41:31,823 And I'm thinking, "Good God, I thought this was behind me." 552 00:41:33,325 --> 00:41:35,577 "I thought this was behind me." 553 00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:38,997 There was, like, the couple. 554 00:41:39,623 --> 00:41:43,502 The man was really tall in my dream, and the woman was short, 555 00:41:43,502 --> 00:41:44,836 and it was dusk, 556 00:41:45,963 --> 00:41:50,342 and they were kind of stalking somebody or looking for somebody. 557 00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:56,807 And then I would always hear the number "35.76," 558 00:41:57,808 --> 00:42:02,020 and then I would see an "A," like, a capital "A" and "17" 559 00:42:02,563 --> 00:42:05,065 as I was, like, flying in my dream. 560 00:42:05,857 --> 00:42:08,235 I had no idea what that meant at all. 561 00:42:10,487 --> 00:42:12,781 Is it a location? 562 00:42:15,576 --> 00:42:19,204 And that's when I kind of was like, "Okay." 563 00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:22,207 "Do I have information that could help somebody?" 564 00:42:22,207 --> 00:42:24,918 And all of a sudden, I just get this feeling. 565 00:42:25,752 --> 00:42:29,756 Stop what you're doing, and call the Red Bluff Police Department. 566 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:36,054 {\an8} In 2008, we received a phone call 567 00:42:36,054 --> 00:42:40,350 {\an8}from a person who identified herself as Jodi Foster, who lived in Chico. 568 00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:43,020 {\an8}Said that she had lived in Marliz's apartment 569 00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:45,022 and wanted to provide us information 570 00:42:45,022 --> 00:42:49,484 that she thought was related to Marliz's murder and potential grave site. 571 00:42:49,484 --> 00:42:51,528 It went silent on the other end, 572 00:42:52,821 --> 00:42:54,865 and I thought he probably hung up on me. 573 00:42:54,865 --> 00:42:58,035 And he says to me, "Why are you calling right now?" 574 00:43:01,038 --> 00:43:05,792 He goes, "We are in the middle of opening up a cold case 575 00:43:07,044 --> 00:43:09,463 with Marie Elizabeth Spannhake." 576 00:43:11,131 --> 00:43:16,887 He goes, "I've never been so freaked out as I was just now by you." 577 00:43:29,358 --> 00:43:32,235 I met with Detective Hale at a coffee shop. 578 00:43:35,864 --> 00:43:37,866 He asked all kinds of questions. 579 00:43:39,743 --> 00:43:41,536 He asked me what I saw. 580 00:43:42,913 --> 00:43:44,956 He talked to me about the dreams. 581 00:43:49,753 --> 00:43:52,589 I think anytime, uh, you're gettin' information from somebody 582 00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:55,342 where they're telling you they're having dreams about something 583 00:43:55,342 --> 00:43:57,761 and they wanna provide you this information they think 584 00:43:57,761 --> 00:43:59,096 is related to a criminal case, 585 00:43:59,096 --> 00:44:01,264 you're probably gonna be a little skeptical. 586 00:44:01,264 --> 00:44:02,557 I was so nervous. 587 00:44:02,557 --> 00:44:07,896 I was afraid I was gonna, you know, um, be criticized. 588 00:44:09,231 --> 00:44:12,359 And then I thought, "It doesn't matter if you guys think I'm crazy." 589 00:44:12,359 --> 00:44:14,111 "I have to give you this information." 590 00:44:16,738 --> 00:44:22,661 And because it was an open murder case, he wasn't allowed to tell me anything. 591 00:44:23,745 --> 00:44:28,875 What I could do is tell him information, but he couldn't confirm or deny anything. 592 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:36,550 She told us that she was seeing the letter A and the numbers 1-7, as in "A17." 593 00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:41,722 She believed that was a road that Cameron and Janice took to Marliz's grave site. 594 00:44:41,722 --> 00:44:48,311 And there is a road in the area of... going out 44 that is A17. 595 00:44:50,981 --> 00:44:54,985 We wanted to get more thorough interviews done with Janice 596 00:44:54,985 --> 00:44:58,739 and then see if we can try and put together a potential burial site. 597 00:45:00,073 --> 00:45:03,785 {\an8}The first time we talked to Janice was in 2010 in Chico. 598 00:45:04,411 --> 00:45:08,582 {\an8}We introduced ourselves as the investigators now assigned to the case, 599 00:45:08,582 --> 00:45:10,876 {\an8}and I think she may have still been concerned 600 00:45:10,876 --> 00:45:12,711 {\an8}that she could potentially be charged, 601 00:45:12,711 --> 00:45:15,297 {\an8}so upon meeting her, one of the first things we did 602 00:45:15,297 --> 00:45:17,507 {\an8}was remind her that she had an immunity agreement. 603 00:45:17,507 --> 00:45:18,925 {\an8}We were not there to arrest her, 604 00:45:18,925 --> 00:45:22,679 {\an8}but we were there to try and get some answers for the case. 605 00:45:27,768 --> 00:45:30,687 When we interviewed Janice, we did feel that we got 606 00:45:30,687 --> 00:45:35,400 a better descriptive area of the road that they turned down off of 44. 607 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,611 She gave us a little bit more descriptions 608 00:45:37,611 --> 00:45:40,489 of some structures that they had passed on the road, so... 609 00:45:40,489 --> 00:45:43,992 she still gave us information we felt was good for the case. 610 00:45:44,868 --> 00:45:46,995 Right now, we're on Highway 44. 611 00:45:46,995 --> 00:45:51,208 We're a little ways east of Shingletown in California. 612 00:45:51,208 --> 00:45:56,505 This is one of the primary locations where we believe Marliz Spannhake is buried, 613 00:45:57,214 --> 00:45:58,632 but it's still a large area. 614 00:45:58,632 --> 00:46:02,552 It's vast, so pinpointing her is becoming very difficult, 615 00:46:02,552 --> 00:46:06,723 but we feel like we've narrowed it down to a good approximate area 616 00:46:06,723 --> 00:46:08,225 where we believe she's at. 617 00:46:17,859 --> 00:46:19,736 The case with Marliz is still open 618 00:46:19,736 --> 00:46:22,906 and is still under an investigation by the Red Bluff Police Department. 619 00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:26,076 It's always been a homicide case. 620 00:46:28,745 --> 00:46:32,040 Chico Police Department still has it open as a missing persons case 621 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,336 because she was reported missing to the Chico Police Department in 1976. 622 00:46:44,928 --> 00:46:47,138 - Hi, Jodi. How you been? - Good, how are you? 623 00:46:47,138 --> 00:46:48,974 - Good! Nice to see you. - Yeah. 624 00:46:48,974 --> 00:46:51,434 - It's been a long time. Yeah. - Long time. 625 00:46:51,434 --> 00:46:54,646 To this day, we've never talked to Jodi about the case 626 00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:58,817 as far as the numbers for the area we thought was a potential grave site 627 00:46:58,817 --> 00:47:00,694 and the number she gave us. 628 00:47:00,694 --> 00:47:03,738 I don't think Jodi knows how close she was 629 00:47:03,738 --> 00:47:07,242 when she contacted us in July of 2008. 630 00:47:07,868 --> 00:47:10,745 The district attorney and I have discussed talking about it now. 631 00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:14,207 Would that potentially damage the case in a future court hearing? 632 00:47:14,207 --> 00:47:16,167 - Yeah. - And we decided it would not. 633 00:47:16,167 --> 00:47:20,589 So the hope is, by talking about it now, that we can get some closure on it. 634 00:47:21,631 --> 00:47:22,966 At the time you called us, 635 00:47:22,966 --> 00:47:26,136 that just happened to be the time when we opened the case back up. 636 00:47:26,136 --> 00:47:27,888 - So that... - Yeah. No I had no idea. 637 00:47:27,888 --> 00:47:31,057 ...in intensifying our search for Marliz's grave site. 638 00:47:31,057 --> 00:47:34,603 We were searching an area where we feel she could be at. 639 00:47:34,603 --> 00:47:36,980 I don't know if you remember when we talked to you, 640 00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:40,734 but you said you were envisioning this number, "35.76." 641 00:47:40,734 --> 00:47:42,944 - Yeah. Right. - You kept seeing that number. 642 00:47:42,944 --> 00:47:47,574 And you kinda felt like that was the distance from the house to her grave site. 643 00:47:47,574 --> 00:47:50,118 And I think you said in a northeasterly direction. 644 00:47:50,118 --> 00:47:51,036 Yeah. 645 00:47:51,036 --> 00:47:53,747 After we talked to you, we went back and used a mapping software 646 00:47:53,747 --> 00:47:57,876 and actually pinpointed the house and where we thought she may be at. 647 00:47:57,876 --> 00:47:58,793 Yeah. 648 00:47:58,793 --> 00:48:00,754 And the number you gave us was 35.76, 649 00:48:00,754 --> 00:48:04,466 and the number we came up with that mapping software was 35.77. 650 00:48:05,216 --> 00:48:06,468 So it was very close. 651 00:48:07,135 --> 00:48:08,887 - What? - It had some of us a little worried. 652 00:48:08,887 --> 00:48:12,182 I kinda freaked out too, 'cause you had no idea where we were searching, 653 00:48:12,182 --> 00:48:16,269 and all the elements that Janice gave us in her statement were on that road. 654 00:48:16,269 --> 00:48:21,024 So Janice and I gave similar 655 00:48:21,983 --> 00:48:23,068 area information? 656 00:48:23,068 --> 00:48:23,985 Correct. 657 00:48:23,985 --> 00:48:27,238 And me not even knowing anything, just having random dreams. 658 00:48:27,238 --> 00:48:28,156 Yes. 659 00:48:29,074 --> 00:48:34,454 For years, I've been wondering if any of anything that I gave you was relevant 660 00:48:34,454 --> 00:48:36,915 or how it helped on any level. 661 00:48:36,915 --> 00:48:40,085 It definitely helped reinforce the area we thought she's at. 662 00:48:40,085 --> 00:48:42,462 So, hopefully, you know, this information, 663 00:48:42,462 --> 00:48:44,673 and hopefully sitting here talking about it 664 00:48:44,673 --> 00:48:47,926 will help get some sort of resolution for Marliz and her family. 665 00:48:48,885 --> 00:48:51,763 I've always had a sense 666 00:48:51,763 --> 00:48:54,265 that there was something other than me out there. 667 00:48:54,265 --> 00:48:55,934 You know, bigger than me. 668 00:48:57,143 --> 00:49:02,732 And I want to be a person known for being caring, empathetic. 669 00:49:02,732 --> 00:49:06,778 And if I have something that can help another person, 670 00:49:06,778 --> 00:49:08,822 then I want to help that person. 671 00:49:09,531 --> 00:49:14,411 I feel like the spirit of Marliz was trying to get in touch with someone. 672 00:49:14,411 --> 00:49:20,208 And I want her soul to find rest, really, you know? 673 00:49:21,584 --> 00:49:24,087 And if I can help her, that's what I wanna do. 674 00:49:25,005 --> 00:49:26,589 Is she falling asleep? 675 00:49:31,261 --> 00:49:33,930 {\an8} I retired from the Red Bluff Police Department 676 00:49:33,930 --> 00:49:36,099 in June of 2007. 677 00:49:36,683 --> 00:49:39,477 And the only case that is still active 678 00:49:39,477 --> 00:49:43,189 is this case, the homicide involving Marliz. 679 00:49:45,191 --> 00:49:47,318 Well, any time you have a cold case, 680 00:49:47,902 --> 00:49:50,905 you always wanna try to obtain closure for the family. 681 00:49:50,905 --> 00:49:53,450 You wanna see justice for the victim. 682 00:49:55,952 --> 00:49:59,164 So there's always gonna be an effort on law enforcement's part 683 00:49:59,164 --> 00:50:01,499 to try and close these type of cases. 684 00:50:06,546 --> 00:50:09,299 Cameron was sentenced to 104 years. 685 00:50:11,551 --> 00:50:14,596 You would think that he would be in prison for the rest of his life. 686 00:50:14,596 --> 00:50:16,681 But, unfortunately, 687 00:50:16,681 --> 00:50:21,144 it does happen that people that shouldn't be set free are set free, 688 00:50:21,144 --> 00:50:23,271 and then they repeat their crimes. 689 00:50:26,274 --> 00:50:28,443 Cameron has already been granted parole 690 00:50:28,443 --> 00:50:32,322 and will go to a county jail somewhere in the Alameda area, I believe, 691 00:50:32,322 --> 00:50:35,366 and will actually start mental health evaluations. 692 00:50:35,366 --> 00:50:38,912 So he will probably be held at a mental health hospital 693 00:50:38,912 --> 00:50:40,997 for several years. 694 00:50:40,997 --> 00:50:44,667 But at any time, he could be released from that, potentially. 695 00:51:03,561 --> 00:51:07,065 This was the apartment building my sister Marliz moved into. 696 00:51:08,483 --> 00:51:11,194 She was gonna start her new life here in Chico. 697 00:51:15,365 --> 00:51:18,743 I was kind of hoping she would realize her dream out here. 698 00:51:20,995 --> 00:51:24,541 Sometimes I would see movies and go, 699 00:51:24,541 --> 00:51:27,752 "God, that looks like Marliz," you know? 700 00:51:27,752 --> 00:51:30,547 But then, after a while, you're, like, hoping, I think. 701 00:51:30,547 --> 00:51:33,341 Just blind hope. 702 00:51:38,513 --> 00:51:41,349 I think Marliz's story never got told. 703 00:51:41,933 --> 00:51:43,852 Her story never got finished. 704 00:51:45,353 --> 00:51:46,771 There was no body. 705 00:51:48,481 --> 00:51:52,569 Cameron Hooker went to prison for what he did to Colleen, 706 00:51:54,696 --> 00:51:58,908 and my sister's still out there waiting for justice.