1 00:00:00,710 --> 00:00:02,661 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:02,717 --> 00:00:06,698 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups- 3 00:00:06,765 --> 00:00:08,646 the police, who investigate crime, 4 00:00:08,705 --> 00:00:11,088 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,147 --> 00:00:13,097 These are their stories. 6 00:00:24,727 --> 00:00:27,442 I thought you were buying the paper. 7 00:00:27,503 --> 00:00:30,012 Just checking the ponies. Yeah? 8 00:00:30,078 --> 00:00:34,435 How did Johnnie Walker make out in the fifth? Cut me some slack, Gretch. 9 00:00:34,494 --> 00:00:36,844 You know how much stress I'm under right now. 10 00:00:36,902 --> 00:00:39,913 It is 8:00 in the damn morning. I'll go to a meeting. 11 00:00:39,980 --> 00:00:43,265 Right. Jeffrey. 12 00:00:43,325 --> 00:00:48,343 I really mean it this time, I swear. 13 00:00:48,408 --> 00:00:50,359 Oh, my God. 14 00:00:56,068 --> 00:00:58,019 White female, late 30s. 15 00:00:58,075 --> 00:01:01,394 People who live in the garden apartment found her first thing this morning. 16 00:01:01,454 --> 00:01:04,841 Guy's half in the bag. The early bird catches the hangover. 17 00:01:04,899 --> 00:01:08,047 Looks like she took a header from one of the hotel balconies. 18 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:11,463 Get the crime techs up there. Check out all the rooms with balconies facing this backyard 19 00:01:11,522 --> 00:01:13,564 Will do. Victim have any I.D. on her? 20 00:01:13,630 --> 00:01:16,207 No pockets. She was wearin' a skirt. All right. Thanks. 21 00:01:16,272 --> 00:01:21,291 - Brody, what you got for us, man? - Quick drive-by, blunt trauma smorgasbord. 22 00:01:21,357 --> 00:01:25,041 Broken pelvis, shattered lower extremities, lots of lacerations, 23 00:01:25,103 --> 00:01:27,555 rib cage like a bag full of broken china. 24 00:01:27,611 --> 00:01:29,653 Jumpin' off a balcony will do that. 25 00:01:29,718 --> 00:01:32,034 If she jumped, she would have hit that lower roof. 26 00:01:32,093 --> 00:01:35,446 You saying she was pushed? I'll know more when I get her on the table. 27 00:01:35,506 --> 00:01:38,687 But judging from the trajectory, I'd say, yeah, she had help. 28 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:40,700 Can you put a time on it? 29 00:01:40,757 --> 00:01:45,274 Based on body temperature and lividity, I'd ballpark it somewhere between 10:00 and 11:00 last night. 30 00:01:45,339 --> 00:01:47,916 Detectives, this is Mr. Wrightsman, the manager of the hotel. 31 00:01:47,981 --> 00:01:51,403 How can I help you? What can you tell us about the upper floors, the ones with the balconies? 32 00:01:51,461 --> 00:01:55,647 Those are our executive suites. So much for the golden parachute. 33 00:02:45,213 --> 00:02:48,567 It's a nice view. I prefer a southern exposure. 34 00:02:48,625 --> 00:02:52,275 Hey, Reed. You got anything? Usable prints? I doubt it. 35 00:02:52,338 --> 00:02:55,121 But I did find this lying out here on the terrace. 36 00:02:55,181 --> 00:02:59,732 Contact lens. Cutting-edge R.G.P. Rigid Gas Permeable. 37 00:02:59,797 --> 00:03:03,482 - Could've popped out during a struggle. - Don't get your hopes up. It's extremely durable. 38 00:03:03,544 --> 00:03:06,555 It could've been lying out here for days, weeks, months. 39 00:03:06,620 --> 00:03:09,129 I know it's hopeless, but get it to the lab anyway. 40 00:03:09,197 --> 00:03:12,949 What a novel idea. I was gonna auction it off on eBay. You want another idea? 41 00:03:13,009 --> 00:03:14,960 Detectives? 42 00:03:16,154 --> 00:03:20,408 Lisa Winslow checked in yesterday afternoon around 4:00. 43 00:03:20,468 --> 00:03:23,650 Reception gave her one room key. She certainly didn't mess up the room. 44 00:03:23,713 --> 00:03:26,634 Concierge said she just used it to freshen up before her speech... 45 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:29,199 at the Hoop-la International Convention last night. 46 00:03:29,266 --> 00:03:33,281 - Hoop-la? - Licensees for various pro basketball products and spin-offs. 47 00:03:33,346 --> 00:03:37,304 We have some of the top players here. Julius West, Jimmy Neal. 48 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,542 - What'd she talk about? - I gather she was some kind of motivational speaker. 49 00:03:40,605 --> 00:03:43,114 Fire up the reps to sell more sneakers. That sort of thing. 50 00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:45,530 Five-hundred-dollar-a-day dressing room? 51 00:03:45,589 --> 00:03:51,110 I guess she could afford it, unless this purse is some kind of Canal Street knockoff. 52 00:03:51,175 --> 00:03:55,190 Well, she's our high diver, all right. “Lisa Winslow." 53 00:03:55,256 --> 00:03:58,268 No wonder she could afford to use the place just to powder her nose. 54 00:03:58,333 --> 00:04:01,253 She's a local. Blackstone Avenue, the Bronx. 55 00:04:01,310 --> 00:04:04,196 It's Riverdale. Trust me, this purse is real. 56 00:04:04,253 --> 00:04:08,268 I'm sorry. Miss Winslow is not here. I don't know where. 57 00:04:08,334 --> 00:04:10,479 Who are you, ma'am? I'm the nanny. 58 00:04:10,542 --> 00:04:13,051 Uh, if we could just come in? 59 00:04:18,837 --> 00:04:21,586 We need to talk to somebody about Miss Winslow. 60 00:04:21,647 --> 00:04:24,260 Do you know if there's any family we can call? 61 00:04:24,323 --> 00:04:29,148 Miss Lisa's sister is here. Why don't you go get her? Thanks. 62 00:04:29,207 --> 00:04:31,214 You can wait in here. 63 00:04:32,686 --> 00:04:35,867 I hate it when they have kids. You kidding? It's the worst. 64 00:04:37,067 --> 00:04:41,584 - Can I help you? - Uh, this is Detective Green. I'm Detective Briscoe. 65 00:04:41,650 --> 00:04:43,931 Renee Bishop. ls there a problem? 66 00:04:43,991 --> 00:04:47,208 You're Lisa Winslow's sister? What is it? What's wrong? 67 00:04:47,269 --> 00:04:50,086 I'm afraid that we have some bad news. 68 00:04:50,146 --> 00:04:52,222 About Lisa? 69 00:04:52,287 --> 00:04:56,541 She was found dead early this morning at the Park Terrace Hotel. 70 00:04:56,601 --> 00:04:59,783 Oh, my God! She fell from a balcony 71 00:04:59,846 --> 00:05:02,858 Sophie. Sophie? 72 00:05:02,923 --> 00:05:05,672 My niece, Lisa's daughter. What am I going to tell her? 73 00:05:05,733 --> 00:05:08,083 Is her father around? 74 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:10,252 Lisa's a single parent. 75 00:05:10,315 --> 00:05:13,132 What's his name? Where can we get in touch with him? 76 00:05:13,192 --> 00:05:16,614 There's no one to get in touch with. Sophie was adopted. 77 00:05:16,671 --> 00:05:20,686 Mommy? Oh, Mommy's not home yet. I'll be there in a minute. 78 00:05:20,752 --> 00:05:23,763 I can't find my princess doll. 79 00:05:25,367 --> 00:05:28,184 I'm going to be with you in one minute, all right? 80 00:05:28,245 --> 00:05:30,491 Lorena, will you help her look for her doll, please? 81 00:05:30,552 --> 00:05:32,970 Of course. Come, mi hija. 82 00:05:37,409 --> 00:05:41,025 When you're up to it, we're gonna need you to come down and identify her. 83 00:05:41,089 --> 00:05:43,906 Of course I will. We also need to know where your sister worked. 84 00:05:43,965 --> 00:05:47,649 She owned her own business. 85 00:05:47,712 --> 00:05:51,133 I think I have her card in my purse. 86 00:05:51,190 --> 00:05:53,197 I'll get it. 87 00:05:55,974 --> 00:05:59,760 Lisa was one of the top motivational speakers in the country. 88 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:04,839 Her competitive background in athletics dovetailed nicely with contemporary corporate culture. 89 00:06:04,905 --> 00:06:08,418 "1996 Olympic Swim Team." 90 00:06:08,484 --> 00:06:12,168 “First place, Big Island Iron Woman Triathlon." 91 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:14,614 She won three triathlons. 92 00:06:14,672 --> 00:06:18,424 Do you know how hard that is? What an accomplishment? 93 00:06:18,485 --> 00:06:22,238 My idea of a triathlon was junior high punt, pass and kick. 94 00:06:22,298 --> 00:06:24,249 So she did well. Oh, very well 95 00:06:24,305 --> 00:06:27,817 - Business was booming. She was in great demand. - What about her personal life? 96 00:06:27,885 --> 00:06:30,097 Lisa was much too busy to have a personal life. 97 00:06:30,159 --> 00:06:32,942 No boyfriends, ex-boyfriends, husbands? 98 00:06:33,002 --> 00:06:34,884 She was gay. 99 00:06:34,942 --> 00:06:37,953 Oh, any girlfriends, ex-girlfriends? 100 00:06:38,020 --> 00:06:40,096 She never mentioned anyone to me. 101 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,840 What can you tell us about this speaking engagement she had last night? 102 00:06:42,903 --> 00:06:45,914 She rocked the house. They absolutely ate it up. 103 00:06:45,980 --> 00:06:48,193 Finished the Q&A a little after 9:00. 104 00:06:48,255 --> 00:06:51,676 What'd she do after that? There was a reception. 105 00:06:51,733 --> 00:06:55,019 When I left, she was heading to the bar with a couple of players. 106 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:58,067 - Schmoozing was Lisa's forte. - Which players was she schmoozing with? 107 00:06:58,122 --> 00:07:00,472 I'm sorry. I'm not in to basketball. 108 00:07:00,531 --> 00:07:02,709 They were tall, African American. 109 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:08,894 She was in here last night. Had a few Cosmos. Actually, more than a few. 110 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,381 Who was she drinking with? A couple of black guys, looked like basketball players. 111 00:07:12,438 --> 00:07:15,290 We got this Hoop-la-la Convention here all week. 112 00:07:15,349 --> 00:07:18,303 So they had a couple of drinks-- A few laughs, then paid the tab and left. 113 00:07:18,359 --> 00:07:21,473 - Together? - Yeah, I guess. Around 10:00. 114 00:07:21,537 --> 00:07:25,654 How'd they pay the tab? One of the guys charged it to his room. 115 00:07:25,718 --> 00:07:30,509 Yeah, we tossed back a couple with her. Honey said she was writing some sort of motivational book for athletes. 116 00:07:30,568 --> 00:07:34,081 She wanted a few quotes, like what makes a winner, stuff like that. 117 00:07:34,147 --> 00:07:36,325 Uh, why? We'll ask the questions. 118 00:07:36,389 --> 00:07:39,400 After the bar, what'd you do? I went upstairs, hit the sack. 119 00:07:39,465 --> 00:07:41,416 Alone? Yeah. 120 00:07:41,472 --> 00:07:46,297 What about you? Me, I caught a ride downtown to this new hip-hop spot, TR Caesars. 121 00:07:46,356 --> 00:07:49,207 How long were you there? Uh, maybe till, like, 3:00 in the morning. 122 00:07:49,266 --> 00:07:52,015 Did you happen to get a taxi receipt? A taxi? 123 00:07:52,076 --> 00:07:54,757 Call the limo company and they'll straighten you out. All right. We will 124 00:07:54,819 --> 00:07:58,332 So, uh, am I off the hook? I mean, I gotta split. 125 00:07:58,398 --> 00:08:01,443 Don't tell me I can't leave town. I got a big game in K.C. tonight. 126 00:08:01,508 --> 00:08:03,515 You can go for now. 127 00:08:03,583 --> 00:08:06,092 See you in Philly, bro. No doubt. 128 00:08:06,158 --> 00:08:09,340 So you're on your way to your room. Did you ride the elevator with Ms. Winslow? 129 00:08:09,402 --> 00:08:12,482 Yeah. She got off at her floor, I went on up to mine. 130 00:08:12,547 --> 00:08:16,002 So as far as we know, you were the last person to see her alive. 131 00:08:17,932 --> 00:08:21,947 This is messed up. I told you. I went to my room, man. My wheels are here. 132 00:08:22,013 --> 00:08:23,964 That's gonna have to wait. 133 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:27,841 You were in the elevator with her. Y'all got this connection going. You end up in her room? 134 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:30,477 No. I told you. I did not go to the lady's room. 135 00:08:30,542 --> 00:08:34,899 Only she's not interested in what you have to offer, and you can't figure out why. 136 00:08:34,958 --> 00:08:38,140 This is so wrong. “No” is not a word you're used to hearing, is it, Shawn? 137 00:08:40,945 --> 00:08:44,264 Look, I hooked up with a shortie, okay? A shortie? 138 00:08:44,323 --> 00:08:48,680 A female. She was hangin' in the lobby, sweatin' me all night. 139 00:08:48,739 --> 00:08:51,693 Finally gave her my room number, told her to holler at me around 10:00. 140 00:08:51,749 --> 00:08:55,296 You got a name for this shortie? Alicia. I think. 141 00:08:55,361 --> 00:08:58,441 So, Alicia. You didn't happen to notice her last name, did you? No, I didn't. 142 00:08:58,506 --> 00:09:01,927 It was just a one-hitter quitter. She was sportin' team color. 143 00:09:01,985 --> 00:09:03,935 Like a varsity jacket? Yeah. 144 00:09:03,992 --> 00:09:07,642 What school? Marlboro. Yeah, Marlboro. 145 00:09:07,705 --> 00:09:10,488 My mom's, like, in the Dark Ages. 146 00:09:10,548 --> 00:09:13,399 If she finds out about this, she'll, like, totally freak. 147 00:09:13,458 --> 00:09:17,644 Why don't you tell us what happened, and we'll try to make sure that she don't totally freak. 148 00:09:17,705 --> 00:09:20,215 Shawn's Web site said he'd be in New York. 149 00:09:20,281 --> 00:09:24,067 I thought it'd be cool to meet him. He's always been my favorite player. 150 00:09:24,128 --> 00:09:26,238 He's so cute. 151 00:09:26,302 --> 00:09:29,883 So you went up to his room? He's famous. 152 00:09:29,948 --> 00:09:32,366 I've never been with a famous person before. 153 00:09:32,424 --> 00:09:35,275 So how long were you two kickin' it? 154 00:09:35,333 --> 00:09:39,519 I hooked up with him about 10:00, went home about 2:00. 155 00:09:39,581 --> 00:09:41,931 He even paid for my cab fare home. 156 00:09:41,989 --> 00:09:44,271 Gee, a real gentleman, huh? 157 00:09:44,331 --> 00:09:46,681 All right. Thanks. 158 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:48,725 I'm glad I don't have kids. 159 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:51,791 It's a mixed bag. They're not all like Alicia. Some of them are worse. 160 00:09:51,858 --> 00:09:54,538 Ed. These came in while you were out. Thanks, man. 161 00:09:56,875 --> 00:10:00,160 M.E. says the D.N.A. on the contact wasn't Lisa Winslow. 162 00:10:00,219 --> 00:10:03,401 Could be it belonged to the killer after all. 163 00:10:03,464 --> 00:10:08,152 Also found circumferential bruises on her upper arms, contusion on her left hip. 164 00:10:08,214 --> 00:10:11,134 That's consistent with being grabbed and pushed off that balcony. 165 00:10:11,191 --> 00:10:16,210 I have a problem. Join the club. Shawn Beatty's alibi just got corroborated. 166 00:10:16,275 --> 00:10:19,457 Lisa Winslow's parents are on their way here from New Hope. 167 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,702 They want to know why they had to find out about their daughter's death... 168 00:10:22,764 --> 00:10:24,749 from a news item on the radio. 169 00:10:24,805 --> 00:10:27,520 We told the sister. She didn't tell the family? 170 00:10:27,581 --> 00:10:30,763 According to the parents, Lisa Winslow doesn't have a sister. What? 171 00:10:30,826 --> 00:10:32,777 Then who was the woman we met at Winslow's house? 172 00:10:32,833 --> 00:10:35,182 We sent a patrol car by to have a word with her. 173 00:10:35,241 --> 00:10:38,252 Whoever she is, she's gone, and she took the girl with her. 174 00:10:38,318 --> 00:10:40,269 Damn. 175 00:10:42,332 --> 00:10:45,344 So you have no idea who this woman might be? 176 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:48,056 I'm afraid you're asking the wrong people. 177 00:10:48,118 --> 00:10:50,969 Lisa kept us out of her private life. 178 00:10:51,029 --> 00:10:53,675 Mr. and Mrs. Winslow, we need to find your granddaughter now. 179 00:10:53,738 --> 00:10:57,354 She's really not our granddaughter. We've never even met her. 180 00:10:57,417 --> 00:10:59,368 She is precious. 181 00:10:59,424 --> 00:11:02,606 We got a lot of people working on this. There's a statewide Amber Alert. 182 00:11:02,669 --> 00:11:04,620 If you know anything that can help, great. 183 00:11:04,676 --> 00:11:09,136 If not, we're wasting valuable time when we should be out looking for her. 184 00:11:10,396 --> 00:11:13,247 Um... 185 00:11:13,305 --> 00:11:15,655 about eight years ago, 186 00:11:15,714 --> 00:11:18,726 Lisa told us she'd met a woman in Florida, 187 00:11:18,792 --> 00:11:21,746 and they were gonna adopt a child down there. 188 00:11:21,802 --> 00:11:23,981 Said they were gonna get married. 189 00:11:24,043 --> 00:11:26,997 You know, shack up together. 190 00:11:27,053 --> 00:11:31,102 Said they were in love. Broke her mother's heart. 191 00:11:31,168 --> 00:11:34,213 After that we didn't talk very much. 192 00:11:34,278 --> 00:11:37,267 - Maybe a card at Christmas. - They were living in Florida? 193 00:11:37,323 --> 00:11:42,079 After they split up, Lisa moved to New York. That was two years ago. 194 00:11:42,139 --> 00:11:45,424 Do you know if she had any friends in New York we could talk to? 195 00:11:45,484 --> 00:11:47,435 Anybody she might have confided in? 196 00:11:47,491 --> 00:11:51,073 Who was that Susan girl at NYU, Paul? 197 00:11:51,137 --> 00:11:54,592 Um, Susan Roberts, was it? 198 00:11:54,649 --> 00:11:57,661 I think they kept in touch over the years. 199 00:12:00,369 --> 00:12:03,380 Lisa wasn't the type to pour out her heart over cocktails. 200 00:12:03,446 --> 00:12:06,434 Do you know if she was seeing somebody? 201 00:12:06,490 --> 00:12:09,911 As far as I know, uh, a few dates here and there. No one special. 202 00:12:09,969 --> 00:12:12,045 What about past relationships? 203 00:12:12,109 --> 00:12:15,463 She had an ex in Florida. Renee something. I never met her. 204 00:12:15,521 --> 00:12:19,376 I think we have. They were living in Miami. That's where they adopted Sophie. 205 00:12:19,435 --> 00:12:21,716 Do you have any idea why they broke up? 206 00:12:21,776 --> 00:12:23,727 Lisa said they'd just grown apart. 207 00:12:23,783 --> 00:12:26,863 Been together something like seven years, didn't have anything in common anymore. 208 00:12:26,927 --> 00:12:30,611 Except for Sophie. Yeah, except Sophie. 209 00:12:30,674 --> 00:12:35,693 What I understand, Renee was devastated by the split, and so was Sophie. 210 00:12:35,758 --> 00:12:39,442 I told Lisa I thought she was wrong to separate them. Renee was Sophie's mother too. 211 00:12:39,504 --> 00:12:41,489 What did Lisa do? 212 00:12:41,545 --> 00:12:43,723 Moved to New York, got a lawyer. 213 00:12:43,786 --> 00:12:47,207 Do you know how we can find this lawyer? Yeah, I used her for my divorce. 214 00:12:47,264 --> 00:12:49,911 Nancy Shapiro. 215 00:12:49,974 --> 00:12:52,825 Madison and 53rd. 216 00:12:52,884 --> 00:12:54,835 Where is Sophie, by the way? 217 00:12:54,891 --> 00:12:58,039 Who's taking care of her? We're looking for her. 218 00:12:58,102 --> 00:13:00,783 Renee has her? 219 00:13:00,845 --> 00:13:03,525 Renee Bishop, still in Miami, far as I know. 220 00:13:03,587 --> 00:13:06,667 Here's her contact info. I'm gonna call the squad, get 'em on it. 221 00:13:06,732 --> 00:13:10,120 Why don't you tell me about the custody battle? There was none. 222 00:13:10,178 --> 00:13:13,429 Custody battles occur when both parties have legal custodial rights, 223 00:13:13,489 --> 00:13:15,633 which was not the case here. 224 00:13:15,696 --> 00:13:19,449 It's our understanding that these two women raised the child together. 225 00:13:19,510 --> 00:13:21,517 Heather Has Two Mommies. 226 00:13:21,584 --> 00:13:25,542 Florida law prohibits homosexuals from adopting. Lisa filed as a single woman. 227 00:13:25,598 --> 00:13:29,144 Which gave her legal custody. Sole legal custody. 228 00:13:29,210 --> 00:13:31,388 So why hire you? 229 00:13:31,451 --> 00:13:35,135 To protect her interests. Lisa didn't want Renee Bishop in Sophie's life. 230 00:13:35,197 --> 00:13:37,148 Sophie was adjusting nicely, 231 00:13:37,204 --> 00:13:41,162 and any further contact would have prolonged the agony of the divorce. 232 00:13:41,218 --> 00:13:44,572 Renee Bishop took a whole lot of legal avenues to get some kind of visitation, 233 00:13:44,630 --> 00:13:47,139 but under Florida law, she didn't have a leg to stand on. 234 00:13:47,205 --> 00:13:50,387 Woman raises a kid for five years, then gets cut out of her life. 235 00:13:50,450 --> 00:13:52,401 Sounds like motive to me. 236 00:13:52,457 --> 00:13:56,472 It makes me a little less worried about the girl. At least we know her other mother isn't gonna harm her. 237 00:13:56,538 --> 00:13:59,549 I just got off the phone with Bishop's roommate in Miami. 238 00:13:59,616 --> 00:14:02,729 According to him, she left for New York City last week. 239 00:14:02,792 --> 00:14:05,142 Did he say where she was staying? No. 240 00:14:05,201 --> 00:14:07,585 What about her cell phone? Trace her through that? 241 00:14:07,643 --> 00:14:11,156 Doesn't have one, but I did get the LUDS from her home phone in Miami. 242 00:14:11,222 --> 00:14:16,275 Renee Bishop made over 50 calls to Lisa Winslow in the last six months. 243 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:19,191 That's a lot of calls to your ex. Not if you're fighting over a kid. 244 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:22,170 Lieutenant? Yeah,. Thanks. 245 00:14:22,226 --> 00:14:26,914 Renee Bishop's credit card charges. 246 00:14:26,976 --> 00:14:30,660 She's been staying at the Melrose Hotel all week. 247 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:36,616 Sure. I remember this little girl. Cute as a button. Here with her mom. 248 00:14:36,677 --> 00:14:40,361 Renee Bishop. Bishop? Just a minute. 249 00:14:41,962 --> 00:14:45,383 Here she is. Renee Bishop. They checked out an hour ago. 250 00:14:45,441 --> 00:14:48,987 Damn. We're gonna need a record of her phone calls. 251 00:14:49,053 --> 00:14:51,059 I'll print one out. 252 00:14:52,063 --> 00:14:55,576 John, come here a minute. Doorman might know which way they went. 253 00:14:57,282 --> 00:14:59,997 N.Y.P.D. They're looking for this kid and her mom. 254 00:15:00,058 --> 00:15:04,107 Yeah, I remember them. I put 'em on a hotel shuttle to Port Authority. 255 00:15:04,172 --> 00:15:07,423 Thanks. Great. By now they're on a bus to God knows where. 256 00:15:07,483 --> 00:15:10,962 518. I know that area code. It's upstate someplace, right? 257 00:15:11,029 --> 00:15:15,351 There were a couple of 518 calls on her Florida LUDS. 258 00:15:15,411 --> 00:15:17,417 Same number. Bloomington, New York. 259 00:15:17,485 --> 00:15:21,066 That's not that far. That's, like, two hours on the thruway, near Kingston. 260 00:15:21,131 --> 00:15:24,552 Call the Port Authority, the phone company and the state police. 261 00:15:24,609 --> 00:15:27,187 I'll drive. 262 00:15:27,252 --> 00:15:29,602 Woman Speaking, indistinct] 263 00:15:32,704 --> 00:15:34,655 Sir? 264 00:15:35,982 --> 00:15:38,298 Have you seen this little girl on the bus? 265 00:15:38,357 --> 00:15:40,604 They got off last stop, Rosendale. 266 00:15:40,665 --> 00:15:43,015 They're not here, Ed. I know. Let's go. 267 00:15:43,074 --> 00:15:46,929 Detective? They were sitting behind me. The little girl said she was hungry. 268 00:15:46,987 --> 00:15:49,999 The mother said they would get something to eat after they got off the bus. 269 00:15:50,064 --> 00:15:52,015 Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate that. 270 00:15:52,071 --> 00:15:54,113 There's a pizza joint behind the depot. We're all over it. 271 00:15:54,178 --> 00:15:56,129 Thank you. 272 00:16:02,574 --> 00:16:04,958 Renee Bishop? 273 00:16:05,016 --> 00:16:08,437 Please. Not here. Not in front of my little girl. Come on, ma'am. 274 00:16:08,494 --> 00:16:11,243 Let's make this easy on everybody Grandma, what's happening? 275 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,255 Don't worry, baby. It's okay honey 276 00:16:13,311 --> 00:16:15,729 - Everything's going to be okay. - You can come too, sweetie. 277 00:16:15,786 --> 00:16:17,737 No! 278 00:16:17,793 --> 00:16:20,644 - Leave her here with me. I'll take her home. - Sorry, ma'am. We can't do that. 279 00:16:20,704 --> 00:16:22,551 I'm her grandmother! Ma'am, I'm sorry. 280 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:25,827 When we get to the city, Social Services will take very good care of Sophie. 281 00:16:25,888 --> 00:16:28,809 Will I be able to see her? Sorry ma'am. That's not up to us. 282 00:16:28,866 --> 00:16:31,877 We're gonna take a little ride. Mommy's coming too. What about Grandma? 283 00:16:31,942 --> 00:16:33,949 Grandma's gonna have to stay here for now. 284 00:16:34,016 --> 00:16:37,632 You go along with those men. I'll see you later, baby. Bye, Grandma. 285 00:16:37,695 --> 00:16:40,410 Bye, baby. Bye, Mom. 286 00:16:40,472 --> 00:16:43,289 Bye. 287 00:16:43,348 --> 00:16:45,299 Bye, Grandma. 288 00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:54,355 Docket 2206, People v. Renee Bishop. 289 00:16:54,421 --> 00:16:56,770 Charge is one count kidnapping in the second degree. 290 00:16:56,829 --> 00:17:01,722 Mr. Hobart, can we get a plea before Valentine's Day is history? 291 00:17:01,779 --> 00:17:04,596 Not guilty. People on bail? 292 00:17:04,656 --> 00:17:08,614 The People seek remand. The defendant was fleeing with the minor victim of the kidnapping. 293 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:11,316 Ms. Bishop was taking her daughter for a family visit. 294 00:17:11,380 --> 00:17:14,334 The defendant bears no legal or familial relationship to this child. 295 00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:16,740 The People are being disingenuous. 296 00:17:16,798 --> 00:17:20,516 - Wouldn't be the first time, counselor. - Defendant is remanded. 297 00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:25,663 Mr. McCoy, opposing bail? Was that really necessary? 298 00:17:25,729 --> 00:17:28,238 Your client is charged with kidnapping, 299 00:17:28,304 --> 00:17:31,316 implicated in Lisa Winslow's homicide. 300 00:17:31,382 --> 00:17:34,097 Do you expect us to offer her a cup of tea? 301 00:17:34,158 --> 00:17:37,670 I was taking my daughter to see her grandparents. Renee, please. 302 00:17:37,738 --> 00:17:41,786 Mr. McCoy, your so-called kidnap is a custodial disagreement. 303 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:44,304 Parents run off with their kids every day in divorce cases. 304 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:48,682 There's no legally recognized relation between your client and Sophie Winslow. 305 00:17:48,742 --> 00:17:52,426 - She's my child. - Not under Florida or New York statute. 306 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:56,274 Okay, what do you say we parse the finerpoints of family law another day? 307 00:17:56,334 --> 00:17:59,323 We all know you would've brought homicide charges if you had a case. 308 00:17:59,379 --> 00:18:01,295 Since you didn't, you don't. Not yet. 309 00:18:01,352 --> 00:18:05,469 So what are you saying? You're leveraging a trumped-up kidnap charge to investigate a murder? 310 00:18:05,533 --> 00:18:07,917 For better or worse, Florida law gives us that authority. 311 00:18:07,975 --> 00:18:12,264 The law? The law wasn't there when I was on the phone with Sophie every day, 312 00:18:12,324 --> 00:18:14,833 and she was crying, telling me how much she missed me. 313 00:18:14,899 --> 00:18:18,617 My client was going to be in New York to visit her parents. 314 00:18:18,678 --> 00:18:23,230 She spoke to Ms. Winslow a couple of weeks ago to see if something couldn't be worked out, for Sophie's sake. 315 00:18:23,295 --> 00:18:26,546 Ms. Winslow agreed my client could see Sophie. 316 00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:29,457 Sophie didn't have school that day, 317 00:18:29,516 --> 00:18:32,299 so we decided to have lunch at their house. 318 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,678 When Ms. Bishop got to the house that morning, per agreement, she had no idea what had happened. 319 00:18:35,738 --> 00:18:39,524 But after she talked to the police, she grabbed Sophie and ran off. 320 00:18:39,584 --> 00:18:41,626 An understandable panic response. 321 00:18:41,692 --> 00:18:45,011 When the police told her what had happened to Lisa, she was terrified she'd never get to see Sophie again. 322 00:18:45,071 --> 00:18:48,082 You can imagine, Mr. McCoy, how I felt. 323 00:18:48,147 --> 00:18:51,136 I can also imagine that you were so angry at Lisa Winslow. 324 00:18:51,192 --> 00:18:53,678 for taking Sophie away from you... 325 00:18:53,734 --> 00:18:58,091 that you threw her off a balcony in a rage. 326 00:18:58,149 --> 00:19:02,266 Renee Bishop just happens to be in town the day Lisa Winslow's murdered? 327 00:19:02,330 --> 00:19:04,281 Never been a big fan of coincidence. 328 00:19:04,337 --> 00:19:06,687 And given Renee Bishop's account of the facts, 329 00:19:06,745 --> 00:19:09,392 I don't even know if a jury will see this as a kidnapping. 330 00:19:09,455 --> 00:19:12,933 And I don't care, given the fact that Ms. Bishop is probably also a murderer... 331 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,951 and the kidnap charge lets us hold her. 332 00:19:15,007 --> 00:19:19,125 Besides, Serena, the Florida statute is not some technicality. 333 00:19:19,189 --> 00:19:21,835 It's the law. Florida's in the minority, sir. 334 00:19:21,897 --> 00:19:26,585 - Is it? - Most states permit some form of gay adoption, including New York. 335 00:19:26,647 --> 00:19:29,328 They don't specifically prohibit it, you mean. 336 00:19:29,391 --> 00:19:31,877 Pusillanimous “don't ask, don't tell" policies. 337 00:19:31,932 --> 00:19:34,886 Hardly a ringing endorsement of the underlying question, 338 00:19:34,943 --> 00:19:37,794 which makes a lot of folks queasy. 339 00:19:37,853 --> 00:19:42,335 Now, tell me, how are we gonna go about making out a homicide case against this Bishop woman? 340 00:19:42,402 --> 00:19:45,653 Everything about Lisa Winslow screams type-A-plus personality. 341 00:19:45,713 --> 00:19:47,664 Olympic athlete, Phi Beta at Brown. 342 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,606 Well, New York's full of ambitious women. What are you thinking? 343 00:19:50,664 --> 00:19:54,554 Renee Bishop said that she arranged to meet Lisa and Sophie at their home. 344 00:19:54,611 --> 00:19:57,097 You think she's lying? 345 00:19:57,153 --> 00:19:59,834 I think that Lisa Winslow would sooner cut off her little finger... 346 00:19:59,896 --> 00:20:04,253 than take time out of her busy schedule in the middle of a business day. 347 00:20:04,311 --> 00:20:07,824 The 25th? Oh, you mean the day after. 348 00:20:07,890 --> 00:20:11,540 All I see here are back-to-back-to-back meetings. 349 00:20:11,603 --> 00:20:14,454 No mention of going home for lunch? 350 00:20:14,513 --> 00:20:18,768 At 11:45, she was going to pitch her services to the GenTech Corporation. 351 00:20:18,828 --> 00:20:21,109 Is there any possibility she canceled? 352 00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:23,519 Blow off a potential Fortune 500 account? 353 00:20:23,577 --> 00:20:26,326 Do you have any idea how long it took her to get that contact? 354 00:20:26,387 --> 00:20:29,467 I'm gonna need the number for GenTech. 355 00:20:30,937 --> 00:20:34,553 The C.E.O. of GenTech told me that Lisa Winslow never canceled her appointment 356 00:20:34,616 --> 00:20:37,969 She even confirmed it the day before. Strike one on Bishop. 357 00:20:38,028 --> 00:20:41,610 Lisa never made plans with Renee for lunch or for anything else. 358 00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:44,525 Tell Jack, but you better count to 10 first. 359 00:20:47,293 --> 00:20:50,373 I've already told you, Mrs. Bishop. I can't discuss the case with you. 360 00:20:50,438 --> 00:20:54,794 I'm terrified of losing my daughter. Please don't take my granddaughter too. 361 00:20:54,853 --> 00:20:58,902 Ultimately, it's not up to me. Whatever's deemed best for the child. 362 00:20:58,967 --> 00:21:03,586 What's best for Sophie is to be with her mother, or us. 363 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:07,163 My husband and I, we're her family, Mr. McCoy. 364 00:21:07,229 --> 00:21:09,944 If Renee has to go to jail, we'd adopt her. 365 00:21:10,005 --> 00:21:13,587 We love her. It took a while with Frank. He's old-fashioned. 366 00:21:13,651 --> 00:21:15,658 But when he saw those blue eyes-- 367 00:21:15,725 --> 00:21:17,972 Mrs. Bishop. 368 00:21:18,033 --> 00:21:21,991 You can't send her to the Winslows, Mr. McCoy 369 00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:24,054 They've never even seen Sophie. 370 00:21:24,121 --> 00:21:27,873 They've never sent her so much as a birthday card. 371 00:21:27,934 --> 00:21:32,588 And now she's with Social Services, and they won't let me see her. 372 00:21:35,828 --> 00:21:37,778 I can't make any promises. 373 00:21:37,836 --> 00:21:43,094 Anything you can do for us, Mr. McCoy, please. 374 00:21:49,107 --> 00:21:52,723 All of the calls originated from Renee's phone in Florida. 375 00:21:52,786 --> 00:21:55,866 There wasn't one returned phone call from Lisa Winslow. 376 00:21:55,931 --> 00:21:58,612 She's harassing her. But look at the time frame, Jack. 377 00:21:58,674 --> 00:22:01,993 All of the calls were between 3:00 and 5:00 p.m. 378 00:22:02,052 --> 00:22:05,064 After school, but before the end of the work day. 379 00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:08,517 Renee talked to Sophie, never to Lisa. 380 00:22:08,575 --> 00:22:11,027 The calls stopped two months ago. 381 00:22:11,084 --> 00:22:15,703 Lisa finds out that Renee's talking to Sophie, puts an end to it and cuts off all contact between them. 382 00:22:15,766 --> 00:22:18,275 And that pushes Renee over the edge. 383 00:22:18,342 --> 00:22:20,795 She comes to New York and returns the favor, literally. 384 00:22:20,851 --> 00:22:23,930 If you can confirm that, we're looking at a homicide charge. 385 00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:27,176 I'll talk to the nanny. Go straight to the source. 386 00:22:27,239 --> 00:22:29,190 Sophie. 387 00:22:32,157 --> 00:22:34,164 Where'd you get your bunny? 388 00:22:34,231 --> 00:22:36,717 Mommy Renee gave it to me. 389 00:22:36,773 --> 00:22:38,951 She's a cutie-pie. 390 00:22:40,318 --> 00:22:44,207 Did you and Mommy Renee ever talk after you and Mommy Lisa moved to New York? 391 00:22:44,265 --> 00:22:47,516 I'm not supposed to say. 392 00:22:49,249 --> 00:22:53,709 I have a secret too. You want to hear it? Yeah. 393 00:22:53,765 --> 00:22:56,616 When I was seven, 394 00:22:56,675 --> 00:22:59,424 I put soap on my little brother's toothbrush. 395 00:22:59,485 --> 00:23:01,595 Gross! 396 00:23:01,658 --> 00:23:04,008 Did you get a time-out? 397 00:23:04,067 --> 00:23:06,519 I sure did. Me too. 398 00:23:06,575 --> 00:23:10,397 When Mommy Lisa found out that you were talking to Mommy Renee? 399 00:23:11,693 --> 00:23:13,644 She got mad. 400 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:16,814 What did Mommy Renee say, honey? 401 00:23:16,878 --> 00:23:20,562 She said not to tell anyone. 402 00:23:20,624 --> 00:23:23,271 You're not going to tell, right? 403 00:23:23,334 --> 00:23:26,619 No, darling, I won't tell. 404 00:23:26,679 --> 00:23:29,793 Grandma? 405 00:23:29,856 --> 00:23:31,807 Grandma! Grandma! 406 00:23:31,863 --> 00:23:33,870 Hey, baby! 407 00:23:35,911 --> 00:23:38,329 Tell Mr. McCoy-- 408 00:23:38,386 --> 00:23:41,169 Tell him thank you. 409 00:23:41,229 --> 00:23:43,511 Grandma? 410 00:23:43,571 --> 00:23:46,582 Can you take me home now? 411 00:23:48,755 --> 00:23:52,268 I'd rather observe an autopsy than go through that again. 412 00:23:52,334 --> 00:23:56,349 And Sophie Winslow kept the calls secret from her mother? 413 00:23:56,415 --> 00:23:59,997 I have assistants in this office that don't show that kind of self-restraint. 414 00:24:00,061 --> 00:24:03,745 Mr. Branch's office. Your theory's right, Jack, it's murder two. 415 00:24:03,808 --> 00:24:06,955 Felony homicide. Renee Bishop intentionally killed Lisa Winslow... 416 00:24:07,018 --> 00:24:09,300 in furtherance of the kidnapping. 417 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,041 The theory's beginning to look a lot more like fact. 418 00:24:12,103 --> 00:24:15,285 M.E. just confirmed that Renee Bishop's D.N.A. was on the contact lens. 419 00:24:15,347 --> 00:24:18,768 She was there. Game, set, match. 420 00:24:18,826 --> 00:24:21,403 Before you go jumpin' the net, we've got the child to consider. 421 00:24:21,468 --> 00:24:26,327 See if Mr. Hobart grasps the wisdom of a plea under the present circumstances. 422 00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:31,809 The D.N.A. evidence is incontrovertible. 423 00:24:31,871 --> 00:24:33,822 Not a word. 424 00:24:33,878 --> 00:24:36,991 We'll be amending the indictment to include murder in the second degree. 425 00:24:37,056 --> 00:24:39,565 That's absurd. It was self-defense. Ms. Winslow was drunk. 426 00:24:39,631 --> 00:24:41,741 She attacked my client. They struggled. 427 00:24:41,805 --> 00:24:44,418 Save it, Mr. Hobart. The facts say otherwise. 428 00:24:44,481 --> 00:24:47,469 She pleads to the top count, we won't oppose the minimum sentence. 429 00:24:47,525 --> 00:24:50,172 How long is that? 430 00:24:50,235 --> 00:24:54,820 Sophie will be in college before you're eligible for parole. 431 00:24:54,885 --> 00:24:59,002 I can't do that. Who'll take care of her? The Winslows? 432 00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:02,418 They don't even want her. Some foster home? 433 00:25:02,477 --> 00:25:05,124 She won't grow up without me. 434 00:25:05,187 --> 00:25:09,441 Win, lose or draw, Ms. Bishop, you'll never have custodial rights. 435 00:25:09,502 --> 00:25:12,821 Not necessarily. We've retained local counsel in Florida. 436 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,389 He filed suit this morning on Ms. Bishop's behalf, 437 00:25:15,455 --> 00:25:18,911 challenging the constitutionality of the Florida law barring gays from adopting. 438 00:25:18,968 --> 00:25:23,188 The Florida statute has nothing to do with the charges against your client. 439 00:25:23,248 --> 00:25:26,704 It has everything to do with them. If Ms. Bishop is acquitted and if we prevail in Florida-- 440 00:25:26,761 --> 00:25:31,221 You win the criminal case and overturn the Florida statute. Ms. Bishop can sue for custody of Sophie. 441 00:25:31,276 --> 00:25:34,755 At least she has a chance. If she takes a plea, she's a convicted felon, an unfit parent. 442 00:25:34,822 --> 00:25:38,608 Any decision in Florida is years away. Things are moving fast. 443 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:42,422 Look at the Massachusetts case on gay marriage. It's only a matter of time. 444 00:25:42,482 --> 00:25:46,440 You're being given dangerous advice, Ms. Bishop. 445 00:25:46,496 --> 00:25:50,454 You'll lose both cases. You'll lose everything. Take the plea. 446 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:52,461 No. 447 00:25:53,888 --> 00:25:56,500 I can't. 448 00:25:56,565 --> 00:25:58,572 I have no choice. 449 00:26:03,455 --> 00:26:07,915 Renee Bishop doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hades of winning in the Florida courts. 450 00:26:07,971 --> 00:26:12,658 The Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that the law against gay marriage is unconstitutional. 451 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,507 That's Massachusetts. We're talkin' about Florida-- why we have states. 452 00:26:16,567 --> 00:26:19,681 Different states will draw the line at different places on this issue. 453 00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:23,760 Just where we were going with abortion before Roe v. Wade. 454 00:26:23,825 --> 00:26:28,079 Old states' rights proponent like you, I'm surprised you oppose gay marriage. 455 00:26:28,141 --> 00:26:31,129 But I don't. Don't necessarily approve of it either. 456 00:26:31,184 --> 00:26:33,967 As far as I'm concerned, it's none of my business, or the federal government's. 457 00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:36,570 I can't believe we're on the same side of this. 458 00:26:38,008 --> 00:26:40,517 I may have to reconsider my position. 459 00:26:45,668 --> 00:26:50,185 Hobart's moving to dismiss the kidnapping charge against Renee Bishop. 460 00:26:52,357 --> 00:26:55,745 “The Florida law barring gay adoption being unconstitutional, 461 00:26:55,803 --> 00:27:00,456 “there is a parent-child relationship between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow. 462 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,440 Therefore, the New York kidnap charge is invalid." 463 00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,447 A mother can't kidnap her own child. 464 00:27:05,503 --> 00:27:09,187 Kidnap charge goes, proof of Renee's intent to kill goes with it. 465 00:27:09,249 --> 00:27:11,200 The murder count is undermined. 466 00:27:11,256 --> 00:27:14,473 We still have motive. One spouse kills another over a child. 467 00:27:14,534 --> 00:27:16,485 It happens every day 468 00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:18,685 On the other hand, if Hobart wins the motion-- 469 00:27:18,749 --> 00:27:21,133 He argues they just had a heated discussion that got out of hand. 470 00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:25,080 It becomes “she said she said ” The odds of a conviction drop to 50-50. 471 00:27:25,138 --> 00:27:29,153 Good luck to him sailing that past Judge Bradley. 472 00:27:32,631 --> 00:27:36,783 Judge, the probability that the defendant will prevail in Florida is infinitesimal 473 00:27:36,845 --> 00:27:41,772 New York law controls here. Ms. Bishop had no authority to take the child. 474 00:27:41,829 --> 00:27:45,251 Ethnically, morally, Renee Bishop had every right to take Sophie. 475 00:27:45,308 --> 00:27:50,099 The fact that she is a gay woman should not have been dispositive of her rights in Florida or New York. 476 00:27:50,158 --> 00:27:53,306 I don't give a damn who sleeps with who, counselor. 477 00:27:53,369 --> 00:27:57,053 I sure as hell don't care about some backward, redneck statute. 478 00:27:57,115 --> 00:28:00,126 I see this more along the lines of a family dispute. 479 00:28:00,193 --> 00:28:03,147 Renee Bishop is emphatically not family. Catch-22. 480 00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:06,989 Florida law won't allow gays to marry, and then it says they can't adopt because they're not a family. 481 00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:09,000 He's bootstrapping, Judge. 482 00:28:09,056 --> 00:28:12,307 The defendant is the mother because she might overturn a law... 483 00:28:12,368 --> 00:28:14,318 that bars her from being the mother. 484 00:28:14,374 --> 00:28:17,830 You're putting the mule before the cart's even built, Mr. Hobart. 485 00:28:17,887 --> 00:28:21,400 That's an issue for the Florida courts to decide some day, 486 00:28:21,466 --> 00:28:24,751 Till then, the parties have a trial to prepare for. 487 00:28:24,811 --> 00:28:28,096 - Motion to dismiss is denied. - Judge, if I may? 488 00:28:28,155 --> 00:28:30,140 Make it quick, Mr. Hobart. 489 00:28:30,197 --> 00:28:33,117 Sophie Winslow-- I've decided to call her as a witness. 490 00:28:33,173 --> 00:28:35,419 At what cost to Sophie? 491 00:28:36,953 --> 00:28:40,306 I am disinclined to allow it, Mr. Hobart. 492 00:28:40,365 --> 00:28:43,718 In her own mind, Renee Bishop was acting to protect her family. 493 00:28:43,777 --> 00:28:47,826 The child can establish the familial relationship, at least in Renee's mind, existed. 494 00:28:47,891 --> 00:28:51,677 - Novel theory. - Judge, it's an unnecessary burden for the child... 495 00:28:51,738 --> 00:28:54,350 and a naked attempt to appeal to the jury's emotions. 496 00:28:54,413 --> 00:28:57,801 Of which you are never guilty, Mr. McCoy. 497 00:28:57,859 --> 00:29:00,539 The child can testify for the defense, 498 00:29:00,601 --> 00:29:04,719 but I will cut you off in a heartbeat if I see her in trouble, Mr. Hobart. 499 00:29:09,332 --> 00:29:11,841 The deceased weighed 137 pounds. 500 00:29:11,907 --> 00:29:15,363 Had she simply fallen, her trajectory would have put her here, 501 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,598 on this lower rooftop. 502 00:29:17,661 --> 00:29:20,649 How do you account for where the body was actually found? 503 00:29:20,705 --> 00:29:25,723 To reach this point where her body was recovered, she had to have been pushed, hard. 504 00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:28,709 Additionally, there were bruises to her arms and hip... 505 00:29:28,766 --> 00:29:32,119 consistent with being grabbed and hurled with some force... 506 00:29:32,177 --> 00:29:34,629 over the balcony guardrail 507 00:29:34,687 --> 00:29:36,637 Nothing further. 508 00:29:40,272 --> 00:29:42,690 What was Ms. Winslow's blood alcohol again? 509 00:29:42,747 --> 00:29:44,824 1.2. 510 00:29:44,889 --> 00:29:47,375 That's intoxicated, isn't it? Yes. 511 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:49,472 Well over the legal limit, in fact? 512 00:29:49,537 --> 00:29:51,488 It affects different individuals differently. 513 00:29:51,544 --> 00:29:56,061 body weight, stomach content, uh, tolerance to alcohol. 514 00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:58,545 Are you familiar with the term, "falling down drunk"? 515 00:29:58,603 --> 00:30:02,355 - Objection. - Sustained. Rephrase or move on, counselor. 516 00:30:02,416 --> 00:30:07,434 Hypothetically, had Ms. Winslow, intoxicated as she was, 517 00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:10,316 come at Renee Bishop, 518 00:30:10,377 --> 00:30:12,555 isn't it possible that Renee Bishop, 519 00:30:12,618 --> 00:30:15,630 in an act of self-defense, adrenaline pumping, 520 00:30:15,695 --> 00:30:19,744 could have deflected Lisa Winslow's attack, 521 00:30:19,809 --> 00:30:22,695 propelling her to the point where her body was found? 522 00:30:22,753 --> 00:30:24,966 Not the way I read the evidence. 523 00:30:25,028 --> 00:30:27,274 But is it possible, hypothetically? 524 00:30:27,335 --> 00:30:29,948 Anything's possible. 525 00:30:30,011 --> 00:30:32,520 Redirect, Mr. McCoy? 526 00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:37,638 Nothing, Your Honor. The People rest. 527 00:30:39,745 --> 00:30:42,163 I'm in first grade. 528 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:44,467 Last year I was in kindergarten. 529 00:30:44,528 --> 00:30:48,919 When you were in preschool in Florida, who got you ready in the morning and who took you to school? 530 00:30:48,977 --> 00:30:52,056 Mommy Renee. 531 00:30:52,121 --> 00:30:54,573 And who picked you up from school? Mommy Renee. 532 00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:57,207 And Mommy Lisa, did she ever take you to school? 533 00:30:57,272 --> 00:30:59,223 She had to work. 534 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,130 What about when you got home from school? What did you do? 535 00:31:02,189 --> 00:31:06,512 Sometimes we went to the park, 536 00:31:06,571 --> 00:31:10,826 or we had a tickle fight, or we played dress-up. 537 00:31:10,886 --> 00:31:14,809 - We? Who do you mean, honey? - Me and Mommy Renee. 538 00:31:14,867 --> 00:31:18,220 Your Honor, we get the picture. 539 00:31:18,278 --> 00:31:22,293 Ms. Bishop was the primary caregiver, Ms. Winslow the breadwinner. 540 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,215 A rather traditional arrangement we're all familiar with. Wrap it up, counselor 541 00:31:26,273 --> 00:31:30,755 Thank you, Sophie. You did great. Thanks. 542 00:31:30,822 --> 00:31:34,175 Hi, Sophie Hi. 543 00:31:35,772 --> 00:31:38,784 You love Mommy Renee, don't you? Yes. 544 00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:42,568 - How 'bout Mommy Lisa? - I love her too. 545 00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:48,758 - You miss her? - A lot. She's on a trip. 546 00:31:48,817 --> 00:31:53,676 When Mommy Renee called you just before she came to visit-- Do you remember that? 547 00:31:53,734 --> 00:31:57,658 Yes. Did she ask you where Mommy Lisa was? 548 00:31:57,715 --> 00:32:01,262 I told her she was at the hotel giving a speech. 549 00:32:01,327 --> 00:32:03,278 It's her work. 550 00:32:07,649 --> 00:32:12,405 Thank you, Sophie. Mommy Lisa's going to come home soon. 551 00:32:12,466 --> 00:32:16,355 She's going to come and get me. 552 00:32:22,902 --> 00:32:26,222 When I came out in high school, 553 00:32:26,281 --> 00:32:30,968 my father told me that there was nothing I could do that would ever make him stop loving me. 554 00:32:31,967 --> 00:32:36,758 But even with my parents' love and support, I felt completely alienated. 555 00:32:36,817 --> 00:32:40,295 I knew that I would never get married, 556 00:32:40,362 --> 00:32:42,439 have children... 557 00:32:42,503 --> 00:32:45,046 or all the things that straight people take for granted. 558 00:32:45,112 --> 00:32:47,530 Continuing objection to this line of questioning. 559 00:32:47,587 --> 00:32:50,005 Get to the heart of the matter, counselor. 560 00:32:51,802 --> 00:32:56,592 - What happened when you met Lisa Winslow? - We fell in love. 561 00:32:56,653 --> 00:32:59,002 I wanted to make a life with her. 562 00:32:59,061 --> 00:33:01,912 And when we adopted Sophie, it seemed complete. 563 00:33:01,971 --> 00:33:03,922 We? I mean Lisa. 564 00:33:03,978 --> 00:33:06,989 In Florida, gay people can't adopt, 565 00:33:07,055 --> 00:33:09,668 so to get around the law, 566 00:33:09,731 --> 00:33:12,742 Lisa adopted Sophie as a single parent. 567 00:33:12,808 --> 00:33:15,260 She made a lot more money than I did. 568 00:33:15,317 --> 00:33:19,069 She was a stronger applicant, and it just-- 569 00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:21,274 it just made sense. 570 00:33:21,337 --> 00:33:24,793 - She said it was a formality. - Because of the Florida law. 571 00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:29,743 - Tell us about your family life. - Your Honor, Sophie Winslow has already testified about this. 572 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,979 Sustained. Move on, Mr. Hobart. 573 00:33:32,041 --> 00:33:34,151 - Why did your marriage break up? - Your Honor! 574 00:33:34,215 --> 00:33:36,599 Withdrawn. Why did you and Lisa split up? 575 00:33:36,657 --> 00:33:39,474 Lisa left me. 576 00:33:39,534 --> 00:33:41,850 She met someone else. 577 00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:44,487 I got a lawyer, but he told me there was nothing I could do. 578 00:33:44,552 --> 00:33:46,503 I lost everything. 579 00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,416 Renee, why did you go to the hotel? 580 00:33:51,476 --> 00:33:54,727 I went to the hotel to talk to Lisa, to find some way to reach her, 581 00:33:54,787 --> 00:33:56,738 to do what was best for Sophie. 582 00:33:56,794 --> 00:34:00,045 But Lisa was drunk and abusive. 583 00:34:00,105 --> 00:34:03,961 She told me that she would never let me back into Sophie's life. 584 00:34:04,019 --> 00:34:06,437 She said that Sophie was starting to forget me. 585 00:34:06,494 --> 00:34:10,885 What happened then after she told you that you could never see Sophie again? 586 00:34:10,943 --> 00:34:13,794 I felt sick! 587 00:34:13,853 --> 00:34:16,670 I just went out onto the balcony to get some air. 588 00:34:16,729 --> 00:34:19,649 I guess she followed me out there. She was yelling. 589 00:34:19,706 --> 00:34:23,060 She was slurring her words, the way she always did when she got drunk. 590 00:34:23,118 --> 00:34:26,106 She was pushing at me, and she's a lot stronger than I am, 591 00:34:26,162 --> 00:34:28,512 and she's bigger, and I was just scared. 592 00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:31,421 I guess I just must have pushed her back... 593 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,066 because then she just lost her balance and she-she fell. 594 00:34:38,873 --> 00:34:41,861 Did Ms. Winslow invite you to her hotel? 595 00:34:41,917 --> 00:34:44,700 No. Did she even know you were in New York? 596 00:34:45,897 --> 00:34:47,848 I don't know. 597 00:34:47,904 --> 00:34:50,915 In actuality, you went to her hotel and ambushed her. 598 00:34:50,982 --> 00:34:53,730 No, I went to her hotel to talk to her, period. 599 00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:58,274 When you got to her hotel, you attacked her and pushed her to her death. 600 00:34:58,341 --> 00:35:01,694 I didn't. She attacked me. 601 00:35:01,752 --> 00:35:04,295 She fell. It was an accident. 602 00:35:04,362 --> 00:35:07,316 You didn't call 911 for an ambulance or the police. 603 00:35:07,372 --> 00:35:10,520 You abducted her child and got on a bus! 604 00:35:10,583 --> 00:35:13,366 My child. 605 00:35:13,426 --> 00:35:15,433 Our child. 606 00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:19,820 I just did what any parent would do. 607 00:35:19,882 --> 00:35:23,133 You took Sophie and ran! Yes or no? 608 00:35:23,193 --> 00:35:26,044 How could I abduct my own child? 609 00:35:26,103 --> 00:35:30,928 If anybody is guilty of kidnapping, it was Lisa. 610 00:35:49,049 --> 00:35:51,763 Can I get a pint, please, Marty? 611 00:35:55,572 --> 00:35:58,857 You got any kids, McCoy? What difference does that make? 612 00:35:58,917 --> 00:36:01,598 If somebody tried to take them, what would you do? 613 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:05,173 Fight like hell, within the strictures of the law. 614 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,250 That's easy for you to say. The laws are all on your side. 615 00:36:08,316 --> 00:36:11,966 Even divorced, you don't lose your status as a father. 616 00:36:12,028 --> 00:36:15,245 A crackhead who sells his daughter for $10 has a chance of getting her back. 617 00:36:15,307 --> 00:36:17,257 Renee had nothing. 618 00:36:17,313 --> 00:36:22,503 Should Renee Bishop be able to adopt a child with her lover, get married, raise a family? 619 00:36:22,565 --> 00:36:25,713 Questions for other courts on other days, Mr. Hobart. 620 00:36:25,776 --> 00:36:29,198 That day is coming... soon. 621 00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:33,942 Offer stands. She can shave 10 years off her sentence. 622 00:36:34,005 --> 00:36:36,183 She won't go for it. 623 00:36:36,246 --> 00:36:39,063 She'll try anything to stay in her daughter's life. 624 00:36:39,122 --> 00:36:43,947 You're banking on the hope there's a gay person on that jury. 625 00:36:45,310 --> 00:36:47,660 I'm banking there's a parent. 626 00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:59,795 This isn't about gay or straight. This isn't even about murder. 627 00:36:59,861 --> 00:37:01,868 There was no murder here. 628 00:37:01,935 --> 00:37:05,083 This is about a tragic accident... 629 00:37:05,146 --> 00:37:08,294 arising from a tragic situation... 630 00:37:08,357 --> 00:37:12,748 created by an unfeeling partner and an unfair law. 631 00:37:12,806 --> 00:37:16,696 Most of all, this is about a parent, a mother... 632 00:37:16,753 --> 00:37:19,833 whose child was taken from her. 633 00:37:19,897 --> 00:37:23,284 Renee Bishop didn't come to New York to kill Lisa Winslow. 634 00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:25,760 She came to talk to her, to reason with her, 635 00:37:25,817 --> 00:37:27,768 to plead with her. 636 00:37:27,824 --> 00:37:31,178 She came to see her daughter, their daughter 637 00:37:31,237 --> 00:37:34,853 But Lisa Winslow didn't want to talk or listen. 638 00:37:34,916 --> 00:37:37,493 She was drunk and angry. 639 00:37:37,558 --> 00:37:39,703 She attacked Renee Bishop. 640 00:37:39,766 --> 00:37:42,116 Renee Bishop did not act except in defense... 641 00:37:42,175 --> 00:37:44,787 of herself and of her child. 642 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:46,801 Make no mistake. 643 00:37:46,857 --> 00:37:49,708 There was no crime. 644 00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:52,618 No murder on the balcony that night. 645 00:37:52,678 --> 00:37:55,062 Only a tragedy 646 00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:05,222 Of course, Renee Bishop is Sophie Winslow's mother... 647 00:38:05,288 --> 00:38:08,938 in every sense of the word that matters, 648 00:38:09,001 --> 00:38:12,959 but so was Lisa Winslow. 649 00:38:13,015 --> 00:38:18,033 And what kind of parent kills her child's other parent? 650 00:38:20,808 --> 00:38:24,195 Mr. Hobart reminds you of the bond... 651 00:38:24,253 --> 00:38:27,208 between Renee Bishop and Sophie Winslow, 652 00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:29,945 but he wants you to forget the bond. 653 00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:32,185 Between Sophie and Lisa, 654 00:38:32,248 --> 00:38:36,365 the woman who adopted her and loved her... 655 00:38:36,429 --> 00:38:39,850 as much as Renee Bishop does. 656 00:38:39,907 --> 00:38:42,416 This case is not about who's the better mother... 657 00:38:42,483 --> 00:38:44,560 or about a law. 658 00:38:44,624 --> 00:38:48,605 which may well be antiquated and unfair. 659 00:38:48,671 --> 00:38:52,355 It's not about what Renee Bishop suffered, 660 00:38:54,826 --> 00:38:58,077 but about what Renee Bishop did. 661 00:38:59,609 --> 00:39:03,795 And what she did was kill Lisa Winslow, 662 00:39:05,262 --> 00:39:08,946 and that law which she violated... 663 00:39:09,008 --> 00:39:13,023 is as sure and certain... 664 00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:15,701 as the evidence... 665 00:39:15,765 --> 00:39:17,771 is conclusive! 666 00:39:21,016 --> 00:39:24,701 As much as you might empathize with her plight, 667 00:39:26,436 --> 00:39:30,360 you must return a verdict of guilty against Renee Bishop. 668 00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:44,603 As to the first count of the indictment, 669 00:39:44,665 --> 00:39:47,813 murder in the second degree, how do you find? 670 00:39:47,876 --> 00:39:51,127 We find the defendant, Renee Bishop, guilty as charged. 671 00:39:51,188 --> 00:39:53,903 As to the second count, 672 00:39:53,964 --> 00:39:56,176 kidnapping in the second degree? 673 00:39:56,238 --> 00:39:59,021 We find the defendant guilty as charged. 674 00:39:59,081 --> 00:40:03,198 The jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. Short date for sentence. 675 00:40:11,257 --> 00:40:13,607 Come on, ma'am. Let's go. 676 00:40:21,928 --> 00:40:25,943 You win some, you win some. I'm comfortable with the outcome. 677 00:40:26,009 --> 00:40:29,464 Which would have been the same if they'd been heterosexual. 678 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,806 But would any of this have happened if they'd been allowed to adopt as a married couple? 679 00:40:32,866 --> 00:40:36,652 They knew the law in Florida. If they didn't like it, they could have moved to another state. 680 00:40:36,712 --> 00:40:39,221 I knew we weren't on the same side of this. 681 00:40:39,287 --> 00:40:41,637 I say, let them marry. 682 00:40:41,695 --> 00:40:45,049 Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?