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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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I'm so sick of this mess. DIRECTOR
ON RADIO: Camera one, stay wide.
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Hey, how do you justify not picking
up your own things, Amber?
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DIRECTOR: Camera two, move in on Amber.
I'm just curious.
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AMBER:
I don't justify it.
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I just have a lot of other
things on my mind right now.
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Is this about your cat?
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Yeah, it's about my cat.
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He's been missing for three
days and I'm really worried.
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DIRECTOR: Okay, camera two,
pick up Rocky.
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ROCKY: So, why aren't you
out looking for your cat
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instead of sitting on your
ass reading magazines?
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Where do you
suggest I look?
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If you want,
I'll help you look for it.
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You're sweet.
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But what I really want
is a little support.
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Meow.
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Please.
Okay, two, follow Amber.
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Where are you, Isaac?
Come on, baby.
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(SCREAMING)
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The kid's name is
Wes Tatum, 20 years old.
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It looked like he went off the roof.
ED: Jumped or pushed?
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Body's pretty mangled.
Hard to tell.
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BRISCOE: So how long's
he been dead?
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I'm gonna say two hours
Give or take.
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Who found the body?
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A group from upstairs.
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What group?
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You know that show, uh,
Deal With It?
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Yeah, I know it.
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They live in a loft
in the building.
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Dead kid's a cast member.
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Oh, yeah. Right.
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So, where are
these kids now?
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They were gone
when we got here.
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What do you mean, "gone"?
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Some of the production people said
the producers took them away.
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Turn that light off.
We're taping.
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No. You're not taping.
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We just want to talk
to you for a second.
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I said,
turn that light off.
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Who are you?
I'm the production manager.
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Where are the kids
who found the body?
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They were taken back
to our offices.
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On whose authority?
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The executive producer's. Look,
they were pretty upset. We all are.
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Oh, yeah, we could tell.
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I'm sorry. I was just
trying to be journalistic.
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Look, get on the phone
and tell the producers
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we need to talk to
those kids right now.
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Sure, sure.
But if you wouldn't mind,
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first, we'd love to be involved in the investigation.
Maybe shoot some tape.
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Hey, kid. This is not show business.
This is police business.
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I understand.
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Sorry, Lennie, that could've
been your big chance.
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I'll wait for
the musical version.
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BRISCOE: Wes Tatum was
from Upper Darby PA.
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Two years of junior college.
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Liked to skateboard
and play bongos in the park.
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He'd have been better off
staying in Upper Darby.
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Preliminary M.E. report lists
cause of death as a broken neck.
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Internal injuries.
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What about the tox screen?
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Came back clean.
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So, probably not
a slip and fall.
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What about this
TV show he was on?
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Deal With It? It's been on
the air for three years.
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Every season
they go to a new city,
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they take seven kids,
they put 'em in a house,
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they give them a soft-touch job,
they pay all their expenses,
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and they videotape them
doing everything
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except going to
the bathroom.
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Now, why stop there?
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Well, other than the kids who
had access to the building?
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The production company and
anybody they decide to let in.
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Well, that's a fairly
broad cross-section.
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Well, we got a call in to
those executive producers.
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We'll try to narrow it down
a little more once we talk
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to the cast members
who found the body.
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I wanna find out the last
time that kid was on camera.
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Lieutenant.
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These are the tapes
from that show.
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Looks like
you got your chance.
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Hey, uh, aren't
we gonna be late?
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Okay.
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Deal With It. Never seen
it, already hate it.
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COREY: We obviously feel
terrible about what's happened,
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and as the
executive producers,
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we'd certainly like to
help in any way we can.
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Like, by taking
those kids away?
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These kids are very
badly shaken, Detective.
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We just thought a little time away
from the cameras would do them good.
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It's quite a thing
to have had happened.
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Oh, but I guess,
TV show or not,
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we're all vulnerable
in this city.
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So, you don't think
Wes' death
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had anything to do
with the TV show?
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Anything to do with
the TV show how?
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You know, cast, crew.
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You got a lot of people coming
in and out of this building.
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MELANIE: Corey,
let me take this one.
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We screen applicants
for our cast and crew
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like it was security clearance for
a nuclear missile silo, so...
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Missile silos can be
pretty close quarters.
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Maybe things changed in the
course of living together.
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Well, we're on top of
everything that happens,
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so if a problem was developing,
we'd know about it.
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Look, I don't want to
tell you guys your job,
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but this seems fairly
straightforward to me.
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Explain.
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Someone was on the roof, a junkie,
a derelict, what have you.
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Wes went up there, and
an altercation occurred.
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And why would Wes
go on the roof?
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We need to talk
to the cast members.
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COREY: Can we at least
suggest that you look to
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me and my wife for
any preliminary information?
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We just did look to you and your
wife for preliminary information.
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Now we need to speak
to the kids.
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Now.
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Which one of you
found the body?
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I saw him
out of the window.
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It was pretty brutal.
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So, you were all here?
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I had just gone out
to get some food.
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Wait. There's another kid
on the show, right?
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Yeah, Jeremy.
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Yeah? Where's he?
TRENT: He went out.
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Did he know
we were coming?
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That's sort of Jeremy, you know?
He likes to defy authority.
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Now, what can you
tell us about Wes?
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Have you watched the show?
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Assume we haven't.
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Wes could be difficult.
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Difficult how?
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Inconsiderate.
Like, oblivious to
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what anyone else
was going through.
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He talked about himself in the third person.
What does that tell you?
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I don't know.
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He was a jerk.
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Did any one of you ever have a
physical confrontation with him?
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Guys?
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Jeremy might have had
a problem with Wes.
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So, uh, where does Jeremy go
when he wants to defy authority?
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All right, you guys wanna
talk about Wes, huh?
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Yeah. We gather he wasn't
particularly popular.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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People made varying degrees of
accommodation for his behavior.
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Well, let's talk
about you specifically.
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Specifically?
Oh, I couldn't stand him.
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How come?
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Well, let's see. Aside from his being
a vain, shallow, passive-aggressive,
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he was bringing his lowlife skater
friends into the loft, you know?
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They'd eat all our food, they'd hit
on the chicks, I couldn't stand it.
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Well, why didn't you
tell the show's producers?
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What do you mean?
Like telling the teachers?
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I'm not into that.
I confronted him myself.
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Yeah? When?
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Let's see, the point
at which I lost it
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was when Amber's video camera
disappeared, you know?
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She's all like, "I don't
wanna jump to conclusions.
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"Everyone's always
blaming Wes." You know?
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But, uh, I don't
stand on ceremony.
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I called him out,
and we got into it.
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Got into it how?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't hit
him or anything, you know?
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I just told him how I felt
and that I was onto him.
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And since?
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We avoided each other,
you know?
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Just out of curiosity,
where were you last night?
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I was at a poetry reading,
Saint Mark's Church.
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(ED LAUGHING)
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Hey, it's on tape, fellows.
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You can check it out 'cause
the show sent a camera crew.
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Yeah. Amber's video camera
ever show up?
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No. You know, she was all mad
at me, so I just let it drop.
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But, I'm telling you, these skaters
are the ones who took it though.
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Mind if I go?
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Which one of you is Aaron?
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Who wants to know?
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Police department,
tough guy.
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Come on, step away
from your friend a minute.
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I'm watching for police
brutality, you put a hand on him.
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Oh, you do that, ace.
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When's the last time
you went to see Wes?
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Wes who died?
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Yeah. Wes who died.
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Man, I don't go around there
with that lame-ass show.
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Never?
Right. Never.
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A little Abner Louima action, guys?
I don't think so.
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That's a nice camera.
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Hey!
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The girl's daddy recorded the
serial number of the video camera,
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then he reported it stolen.
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Did Wes confront you
about stealing it?
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No.
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So you and your little thieving pals
come around, terrorizing everybody, huh?
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We were there
because Wes invited us.
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And what about Monday?
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Did you receive an
invitation on Monday?
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I should have
a lawyer here.
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That's no problem, man.
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That's right. You get
together with your lawyer
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and figure out where you want
to say you were on Monday,
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then when we
catch you lying,
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you're gonna be that much closer to going
to prison for the rest of your life.
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I had nothing
to do with this.
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That's cool, bro, you just better
hope that a jury agrees with you.
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Look, man, I wasn't
at the loft on Monday.
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Where were you?
Tompkins Square.
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Doing what?
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Doing what, Aaron?
Selling pot, man.
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How much did you make?
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About 300.
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Where's the money?
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(SIGHS)
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Spent about 80.
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Lennie.
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We got an admission that
he took the video camera,
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but we also have a couple of
witnesses that put him in the park
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at the time of the murder.
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If we can believe
what he's telling us,
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Wes helped him
steal the camera.
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Did anyone in the house
know that?
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Nobody said so.
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They covering?
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Well, according
to these producers,
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none of these kids had
a propensity for violence.
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The things they
complain about are
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more or less the little
things that bother roommates.
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These are what
they call "one-on-ones."
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The kids speak
directly to the camera.
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WOMAN: How do you feel about Wes saying
you have no talent as a musician?
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He said that?
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He said it stemmed from
a lack of racial identity,
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that you were ashamed of
having a white mother.
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That that's what
prevented you from
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getting in touch
with your talent.
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He dissed my mother?
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Now, where the hell
does he get off doing that?
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PEREZ: Next.
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He said he slept with me?
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WOMAN: Wes said
your ambition was
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to be the girl all the boys
in the audience wanted,
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and the most surefire way
to accomplish that
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was to get
something going with him.
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That son of a bitch!
251
00:10:18,785 --> 00:10:19,991
And...
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AMBER: He read my e-mail?
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WOMAN: He not only read it,
he was posting it on the web.
254
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And your picture.
255
00:10:26,260 --> 00:10:27,637
Where?
256
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Pornographic chat rooms.
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00:10:29,463 --> 00:10:30,999
I'll kill him.
258
00:10:32,566 --> 00:10:35,479
Now, that doesn't sound
like little things to me.
259
00:10:39,808 --> 00:10:41,617
The last time we spoke
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you gave us the impression that
everybody more or less got along.
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Everyone
more or less does.
262
00:10:45,981 --> 00:10:48,154
That's not what it sounded
like in those one-on-ones.
263
00:10:48,216 --> 00:10:50,628
Well, everyone gets along
perfectly, you have a flat line.
264
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And if by chance they do
happen to get along,
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00:10:53,322 --> 00:10:55,029
you turn them
against each other?
266
00:10:55,792 --> 00:10:58,773
Well, I'd prefer to call it
stirring the pot.
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00:10:58,828 --> 00:11:00,808
We take whatever conflicts are
already under the surface
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and tweak 'em, that's all.
269
00:11:02,098 --> 00:11:04,942
Well, do you think this stirring the pot
led to one of them going off the roof?
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00:11:05,001 --> 00:11:06,036
Absolutely not.
271
00:11:06,102 --> 00:11:07,706
Well, we're gonna need to
hear that from them.
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COREY: You already
talked to them.
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That was when we thought everybody
was being straight with us.
274
00:11:11,441 --> 00:11:12,715
No. You know what?
275
00:11:12,776 --> 00:11:15,723
I'm done giving you guys
free reign to talk to my kids.
276
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I'm gonna be like a mother
tiger with her cubs.
277
00:11:17,915 --> 00:11:21,021
Does that mean you're gonna actively
interfere with the investigation
278
00:11:21,084 --> 00:11:22,654
instead of just misleading us?
279
00:11:22,719 --> 00:11:25,929
No. It means the kids are under
strict instructions not to talk
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unless there's
an attorney present.
281
00:11:27,792 --> 00:11:29,066
Oh, and don't try
and scare me with
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what's gonna happen
if I don't cooperate.
283
00:11:31,496 --> 00:11:34,534
I've been in network
television for 18 years.
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I don't scare.
285
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ED: Kids are all lawyered up,
producers aren't talking.
286
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Who do we go to next?
287
00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,883
How about the grunts who
actually do the work?
288
00:11:42,942 --> 00:11:45,582
Don't you think there's a chance that
mother tiger's already talked to them?
289
00:11:45,644 --> 00:11:47,089
Hey, they're at the bottom
of the food chain.
290
00:11:47,146 --> 00:11:49,592
Chances are she's
never talked to them.
291
00:11:50,282 --> 00:11:51,522
Producers know
you're talking to me?
292
00:11:51,584 --> 00:11:53,155
Why? You have to clear
everything with them?
293
00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:54,426
I do if I want
to keep working.
294
00:11:54,487 --> 00:11:56,228
Nobody knows
we're talking to you, man.
295
00:11:56,723 --> 00:11:58,168
Look,
there's a kid dead.
296
00:11:58,225 --> 00:11:59,898
All we're asking is that
you tell us anything
297
00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,940
about the cast
that might help us.
298
00:12:02,295 --> 00:12:03,433
I'm just a driver.
299
00:12:03,496 --> 00:12:05,669
Hey, I hear the drivers
know everything.
300
00:12:05,932 --> 00:12:08,311
I know where they get picked up, I
know where they get dropped off.
301
00:12:08,369 --> 00:12:09,712
They give you a schedule?
302
00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:11,010
Once a week.
303
00:12:12,807 --> 00:12:15,287
Anyone asks,
you didn't get it from me.
304
00:12:15,343 --> 00:12:18,756
Oh, hey, a stiff wind must've
blown it out the window.
305
00:12:19,113 --> 00:12:20,319
Thanks.
306
00:12:22,783 --> 00:12:24,991
Well, after looking
at all the tapes,
307
00:12:25,053 --> 00:12:27,556
we know everyone had
something against Wes.
308
00:12:27,623 --> 00:12:29,569
Well, we may know
something more than that.
309
00:12:29,625 --> 00:12:32,538
One of the drivers was a little bit
more forthcoming than the Kaufmans.
310
00:12:32,594 --> 00:12:33,698
He gave us
a shooting schedule.
311
00:12:33,762 --> 00:12:36,709
There's a camera operator,
a sound man, a director,
312
00:12:36,765 --> 00:12:39,212
and a production assistant
present at those tapings.
313
00:12:39,269 --> 00:12:41,408
And they have three different
crews, so they can either alternate
314
00:12:41,471 --> 00:12:44,213
or they can have the cast at three
different locations simultaneously.
315
00:12:44,274 --> 00:12:45,480
Well, how does that help us?
316
00:12:45,542 --> 00:12:48,386
Well, one of the camera operators that
was working the night of the homicide,
317
00:12:48,444 --> 00:12:50,253
he hasn't been
back to work since.
318
00:12:50,313 --> 00:12:52,759
Yeah, maybe he caught
a cold up on that roof.
319
00:12:52,983 --> 00:12:55,520
Well, let's see
how he's feeling now.
320
00:12:57,421 --> 00:12:58,798
Gavin isn't here.
321
00:12:58,856 --> 00:13:00,096
When'll he be back?
322
00:13:00,157 --> 00:13:01,602
Couple weeks. I'm not sure.
323
00:13:01,659 --> 00:13:03,104
What? He just picked up
and left?
324
00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,605
He didn't pick up and leave.
325
00:13:04,662 --> 00:13:06,266
He's in Montreal
working for the show.
326
00:13:06,330 --> 00:13:07,468
Montreal? Why?
327
00:13:07,531 --> 00:13:09,512
They always send the cast
on some kind of trip,
328
00:13:09,568 --> 00:13:10,979
and Gavin's there
scouting locations.
329
00:13:11,036 --> 00:13:12,606
Don't they have somebody
to do that?
330
00:13:12,804 --> 00:13:15,876
Gavin's their best cameraman, it
makes perfect sense they'd send him.
331
00:13:15,940 --> 00:13:17,942
Oh, perfect sense.
The day after a homicide?
332
00:13:18,209 --> 00:13:19,654
What are you thinking,
333
00:13:20,078 --> 00:13:21,785
he had something to do
with that kid's death?
334
00:13:21,846 --> 00:13:23,224
Either that
or he knows something.
335
00:13:23,282 --> 00:13:24,386
CLAIR: You're wrong.
ED: Clair.
336
00:13:24,450 --> 00:13:26,225
Gavin's been with the show
since the beginning.
337
00:13:26,285 --> 00:13:28,265
It's a little appreciation
for the work he's done.
338
00:13:28,321 --> 00:13:31,234
What you need to do is get on the
phone and get your boyfriend here.
339
00:13:31,290 --> 00:13:32,530
BRISCOE: If you don't,
we're gonna have to
340
00:13:32,591 --> 00:13:35,538
contact the Canadian authorities
and have him arrested.
341
00:13:37,330 --> 00:13:38,901
This is so unfair.
342
00:13:43,170 --> 00:13:45,172
They're always looking for
interesting places to shoot,
343
00:13:45,238 --> 00:13:46,444
interesting things for
the cast to do.
344
00:13:46,506 --> 00:13:47,780
They sent me up there
to set it up.
345
00:13:47,841 --> 00:13:50,253
How long you gonna stick
with that story, Gavin?
346
00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:52,756
'Cause I'm just trying to
plan my day here, you know?
347
00:13:52,813 --> 00:13:54,623
I don't appreciate
your sarcasm, Detective.
348
00:13:54,682 --> 00:13:57,322
We don't appreciate your client not
telling us what happened on that roof.
349
00:13:57,385 --> 00:13:58,728
GAVIN: I don't know
what happened.
350
00:13:58,786 --> 00:14:01,062
Only it seems like
you do know.
351
00:14:01,522 --> 00:14:04,867
Look, you're either the bad guy
here, or you're a material witness
352
00:14:04,926 --> 00:14:06,564
obstructing
a murder investigation.
353
00:14:06,627 --> 00:14:07,765
How do you figure that?
354
00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:10,504
Your client ran away from
the scene of a homicide.
355
00:14:10,566 --> 00:14:12,671
Didn't even bother
to call 911.
356
00:14:12,735 --> 00:14:15,375
LAWYER: Which makes him
guilty of absolutely nothing.
357
00:14:15,437 --> 00:14:18,077
The law neither obligates him to
report a crime he's witnessed
358
00:14:18,140 --> 00:14:20,484
or to stick around to wait for
the police to show up if he had.
359
00:14:20,542 --> 00:14:23,046
But whatever happened to
being a good Samaritan?
360
00:14:24,481 --> 00:14:26,859
Victim of an overly litigious
society, I'm afraid.
361
00:14:26,916 --> 00:14:29,021
ED: Yeah, well, we got another
victim, a 20-year-old
362
00:14:29,085 --> 00:14:31,395
with a broken neck who
could've used a hand.
363
00:14:31,955 --> 00:14:33,935
Gavin, you don't tell us
what happened on that roof,
364
00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:35,765
I promise you,
lawyer or no lawyer,
365
00:14:35,825 --> 00:14:37,805
I will make your
situation very difficult.
366
00:14:37,861 --> 00:14:39,000
LAWYER: Is that a threat?
Mmm-hmm.
367
00:14:39,063 --> 00:14:41,270
Oh, just consider it
the rantings
368
00:14:41,332 --> 00:14:43,744
of an overly
litigious detective.
369
00:14:44,168 --> 00:14:47,172
We may not be able to charge
your client, Counselor,
370
00:14:47,238 --> 00:14:49,445
but now that he's here,
you and I both know
371
00:14:49,507 --> 00:14:52,647
the D.A.'s gonna be able to
get a material witness order.
372
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:54,452
ED: Oh, they hold you
in jail for that.
373
00:14:54,513 --> 00:14:56,823
What does he mean,
a "material witness order"?
374
00:14:58,050 --> 00:15:01,054
If the D.A. believes you possess
material information about a crime,
375
00:15:01,119 --> 00:15:04,362
he can ask the judge to detain you
in order to compel your testimony.
376
00:15:05,223 --> 00:15:07,601
I thought you said that I
didn't have to report anything.
377
00:15:07,659 --> 00:15:10,231
You didn't.
Now they know about you.
378
00:15:10,296 --> 00:15:11,798
Sort of changes things
a little.
379
00:15:11,864 --> 00:15:13,810
Law's a funny thing,
huh, Gavin?
380
00:15:17,370 --> 00:15:20,943
Look,
what happened is this.
381
00:15:21,674 --> 00:15:24,451
I was up on the roof, and
then the two of them came up
382
00:15:24,645 --> 00:15:26,056
and started going at it.
383
00:15:26,113 --> 00:15:27,456
The two of who?
384
00:15:27,981 --> 00:15:29,983
Wesley Tatum and Paul Wyler.
385
00:15:30,751 --> 00:15:32,128
Now Paul confronted Wes.
386
00:15:32,186 --> 00:15:33,529
ED: Confronted how?
387
00:15:34,421 --> 00:15:38,734
And then Wes slapped Paul, and things
just got out of hand from there.
388
00:15:38,793 --> 00:15:41,364
The next thing I know,
Wes is going over the side.
389
00:15:41,429 --> 00:15:44,103
BRISCOE: And you were doing what
while all this was going on?
390
00:15:44,165 --> 00:15:45,337
I'm shooting tape.
391
00:15:45,567 --> 00:15:46,910
You got this on film?
392
00:15:46,968 --> 00:15:48,675
No. I don't.
Well, who does?
393
00:15:48,937 --> 00:15:52,146
I gave it to post.
To post-production.
394
00:15:53,342 --> 00:15:56,255
The cameraman turned the tape in to
post-production that same night.
395
00:15:56,312 --> 00:15:57,347
Post-production?
396
00:15:57,413 --> 00:15:58,949
It's like the editors.
397
00:15:59,014 --> 00:16:00,789
Well, how'd he wind up
in Montreal?
398
00:16:00,850 --> 00:16:02,727
Hmm. A producer said
that he needed a break.
399
00:16:03,285 --> 00:16:04,821
I bet they did.
400
00:16:04,887 --> 00:16:07,527
Carmichael's faxing over
a warrant for the tape.
401
00:16:07,756 --> 00:16:10,897
Oh, I'm not waiting for a warrant.
We have an eye-witness.
402
00:16:10,961 --> 00:16:12,963
You go pick up the kid,
take Reina with you,
403
00:16:13,029 --> 00:16:15,373
and when the warrant
gets here, go get the tape.
404
00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:17,036
What, all by myself?
405
00:16:18,435 --> 00:16:20,039
I'm not supposed to be
talking with you guys.
406
00:16:20,103 --> 00:16:22,549
All right, let's dispense
with the preliminaries.
407
00:16:22,606 --> 00:16:24,883
I got a search warrant here.
If you don't cooperate,
408
00:16:24,942 --> 00:16:27,354
I'm gonna be forced
to place you under arrest.
409
00:16:27,745 --> 00:16:29,554
You're gonna place me
under arrest?
410
00:16:29,614 --> 00:16:32,060
I make $7.30 an hour,
411
00:16:32,116 --> 00:16:33,891
I log video tapes
for the editors,
412
00:16:33,951 --> 00:16:36,363
the producers don't even
call me by my right name,
413
00:16:36,420 --> 00:16:38,458
and you're gonna place me
under arrest?
414
00:16:38,524 --> 00:16:39,696
Justin, right?
415
00:16:39,992 --> 00:16:41,164
Right. Justin.
416
00:16:41,226 --> 00:16:42,398
All right,
take it easy, Justin.
417
00:16:42,461 --> 00:16:44,338
All I want you to do is
tell me whether or not
418
00:16:44,396 --> 00:16:47,605
you logged in a tape
the night of February 21st.
419
00:16:48,767 --> 00:16:50,838
February 21st.
420
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:52,910
Right.
421
00:16:58,044 --> 00:17:00,081
Gavin delivered a tape.
422
00:17:00,146 --> 00:17:03,286
From the hand-held camera.
I logged it in.
423
00:17:03,349 --> 00:17:06,193
Terrific. Now I'd like you
to get it for me.
424
00:17:08,923 --> 00:17:12,302
Yeah, well, the Kaufmans said not to
talk to you without a lawyer present.
425
00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,929
Yeah? Well, Paul Wyler's
the one we're looking for.
426
00:17:13,994 --> 00:17:16,235
If he wants to have a lawyer
present, it's his right.
427
00:17:16,297 --> 00:17:17,935
We don't know
where Paul is.
428
00:17:17,998 --> 00:17:20,205
That goes
for the rest of you?
429
00:17:22,169 --> 00:17:23,808
Come on, guys, there was
a fight on the roof.
430
00:17:23,872 --> 00:17:27,183
We don't know if Paul pushed Wes by
accident, or if it was self-defense,
431
00:17:27,242 --> 00:17:29,848
but there's a whole bunch of
ways that Paul can beat this.
432
00:17:29,911 --> 00:17:33,654
You're not helping him or yourselves
by not telling us where he is.
433
00:17:35,050 --> 00:17:36,085
I know where he is.
434
00:17:36,151 --> 00:17:37,824
Amber!
It's enough.
435
00:17:37,886 --> 00:17:39,389
The whole thing is enough.
436
00:17:40,156 --> 00:17:41,999
I have a phone number
where I can reach him.
437
00:17:42,058 --> 00:17:44,231
ED: So, let's call him
and arrange a meeting.
438
00:17:45,094 --> 00:17:46,767
There's no chance
the tape's just lost?
439
00:17:46,829 --> 00:17:49,139
I had the guy turn
the place upside down.
440
00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:50,871
The tape's not lost.
It's missing.
441
00:17:50,933 --> 00:17:52,105
Somebody took it.
442
00:17:52,168 --> 00:17:54,342
Yeah. My money's
on Fred and Ethel.
443
00:18:00,944 --> 00:18:02,514
Stay where you are.
444
00:18:03,647 --> 00:18:05,524
Get out of the car, Paul.
445
00:18:06,016 --> 00:18:07,757
Put your hands
on top of the cab.
446
00:18:08,152 --> 00:18:09,859
How could you
do this to me?
447
00:18:09,921 --> 00:18:11,264
I was trying to
help you.
448
00:18:11,322 --> 00:18:14,235
Oh, yeah? Yeah, you're
doing a great job so far.
449
00:18:14,292 --> 00:18:17,603
Paul Wyler, you're under arrest
for the murder of Wesley Tatum.
450
00:18:21,399 --> 00:18:23,107
AARONSON: This
was an accident.
451
00:18:23,168 --> 00:18:25,944
Then why didn't your client
come forward right away?
452
00:18:26,872 --> 00:18:32,151
We have a cameraman who'll say your
client pushed Wesley Tatum off that roof.
453
00:18:32,211 --> 00:18:34,919
That is a total misconstruing
of what happened.
454
00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:36,755
CARMICHAEL: It's easy to say
with the videotape missing.
455
00:18:36,815 --> 00:18:38,420
I've never seen
any videotape,
456
00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:39,987
and I resent
the implication.
457
00:18:40,053 --> 00:18:42,465
So you have no idea
how it came to be missing?
458
00:18:42,522 --> 00:18:45,128
None. But that doesn't change
the fact that it's missing.
459
00:18:45,192 --> 00:18:46,262
Meaning what?
460
00:18:46,326 --> 00:18:48,806
Meaning without it, you have a
substantially weakened case.
461
00:18:49,529 --> 00:18:51,668
Even without the videotape,
we have an eye-witness.
462
00:18:51,731 --> 00:18:53,177
With a camera
in front of his face,
463
00:18:53,234 --> 00:18:55,111
paying attention to a hundred
different things at once.
464
00:18:55,169 --> 00:18:56,842
CARMICHAEL: Who viewed
the murder through a lens.
465
00:18:56,904 --> 00:19:00,044
You keep mentioning lenses,
I'll keep asking for the tape.
466
00:19:00,107 --> 00:19:03,884
You don't think I can punch holes in
that, you are very much mistaken.
467
00:19:06,213 --> 00:19:09,058
She's right. If the jury hears
there's a tape of the crime
468
00:19:09,117 --> 00:19:10,425
and we can't produce it...
469
00:19:10,485 --> 00:19:12,522
They'll wonder why.
I wonder why.
470
00:19:13,322 --> 00:19:16,769
You know, it wouldn't be pretty if that
tape showed up in the middle of the trial.
471
00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:18,627
Get an order to show cause.
472
00:19:18,694 --> 00:19:20,571
Start with the producers.
473
00:19:24,567 --> 00:19:27,707
As my responding papers indicate,
Your Honor, neither myself,
474
00:19:27,770 --> 00:19:30,410
nor my clients are in
possession of this videotape.
475
00:19:30,707 --> 00:19:32,550
Your Honor, the People
have provided the court
476
00:19:32,608 --> 00:19:34,918
with an affidavit from
the editor of the show
477
00:19:34,978 --> 00:19:38,016
indicating there was a videotape
made, that it was logged in,
478
00:19:38,081 --> 00:19:40,392
and that the only people who had
the authority to remove that tape
479
00:19:40,451 --> 00:19:41,896
were the executive producers.
480
00:19:41,952 --> 00:19:45,297
How about it, Mr. Behrens? Did
your clients remove the tape?
481
00:19:46,323 --> 00:19:49,566
Unfortunately, Your Honor, any
response to the court's inquiry
482
00:19:49,627 --> 00:19:52,335
would constitute a breach of
the attorney-client privilege.
483
00:19:52,696 --> 00:19:54,142
Only if his answer is "yes."
484
00:19:54,199 --> 00:19:56,873
Judge, assuming arguendo
485
00:19:56,935 --> 00:20:00,246
that my clients, in fact, came to
my office with this videotape,
486
00:20:00,305 --> 00:20:02,876
professional ethics would have
precluded me from turning it over.
487
00:20:03,375 --> 00:20:04,979
To do so might have
incriminated them.
488
00:20:05,477 --> 00:20:06,683
What did you do with it?
489
00:20:08,113 --> 00:20:09,184
Hypothetically?
490
00:20:09,248 --> 00:20:12,195
Hypothetically, this is
a homicide, Mr. Behrens.
491
00:20:12,251 --> 00:20:14,731
Hypothetically,
somebody took that tape,
492
00:20:15,054 --> 00:20:17,796
and whoever it was better
tell me what happened to it
493
00:20:17,857 --> 00:20:22,328
or where it is, otherwise,
hypothetically somebody's going to jail.
494
00:20:23,597 --> 00:20:26,840
Judge, are you ordering me to
disclose the location of this tape?
495
00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:28,607
Now you've got it, Counselor.
496
00:20:30,904 --> 00:20:32,611
Well, in that case,
497
00:20:32,672 --> 00:20:37,052
at this time I would like to direct the
court's attention to in rem filing
498
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:41,992
New York State Supreme Court
index number 75936.
499
00:20:42,050 --> 00:20:43,427
What's the relevance of that?
500
00:20:43,985 --> 00:20:46,522
Well, the videotape's in the
basement of this courthouse.
501
00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:50,564
(SIGHS)
502
00:20:51,726 --> 00:20:52,966
I'd like to know
on what basis
503
00:20:53,027 --> 00:20:55,406
a potentially crucial piece
of evidence was concealed?
504
00:20:55,464 --> 00:20:56,670
Nothing was concealed.
505
00:20:56,732 --> 00:21:00,441
I was merely safeguarding the confidentiality
of a privileged communication
506
00:21:00,502 --> 00:21:03,415
by filing the videotape as
an exhibit to an application
507
00:21:03,472 --> 00:21:06,646
seeking direction from the
court as to how not to engage
508
00:21:06,709 --> 00:21:08,017
in an obstruction
of justice.
509
00:21:08,077 --> 00:21:10,786
Once again, in English,
Mr. Behrens.
510
00:21:10,847 --> 00:21:13,851
Your Honor, uh, suppose your
client comes into your office,
511
00:21:13,917 --> 00:21:15,294
drops a gun on your desk,
and tells you
512
00:21:15,351 --> 00:21:16,989
he just used it
to kill his wife.
513
00:21:17,053 --> 00:21:19,397
Now, the disciplinary rules
governing attorneys
514
00:21:19,456 --> 00:21:22,460
would forbid me from turning
that gun over to the police
515
00:21:22,525 --> 00:21:24,437
because to do so
would incriminate my client.
516
00:21:24,662 --> 00:21:26,232
At the same time I, uh...
517
00:21:26,597 --> 00:21:28,201
I can't keep that gun
in my office.
518
00:21:28,265 --> 00:21:30,370
So you filed the tape
with the civil court?
519
00:21:30,434 --> 00:21:31,435
Yes.
520
00:21:31,502 --> 00:21:33,880
It still constitutes concealment
of material evidence.
521
00:21:33,938 --> 00:21:37,317
And we still don't know who it was who
turned over the tape to Mr. Behrens.
522
00:21:37,575 --> 00:21:40,182
Judge, again,
as I said before,
523
00:21:40,245 --> 00:21:42,987
I'm not at liberty to reveal that.
Nor will I.
524
00:21:43,048 --> 00:21:46,996
Careful, Mr. Behrens. I don't like being
told what counsel will and won't do.
525
00:21:47,419 --> 00:21:48,830
I apologize, Your Honor.
526
00:21:49,187 --> 00:21:50,996
Trouble is, Judge,
I'm not really sure
527
00:21:51,056 --> 00:21:53,697
whose interests
Mr. Behrens represents here.
528
00:21:54,327 --> 00:21:57,137
Which is a clever way
for Mr. McCoy to access
529
00:21:57,196 --> 00:21:59,335
privileged information
through a back door
530
00:21:59,398 --> 00:22:02,004
he wouldn't otherwise be
entitled to through the front.
531
00:22:02,068 --> 00:22:05,777
Relax, Mr. Behrens. I'm not going
to make you kiss and tell.
532
00:22:06,139 --> 00:22:10,213
However, I see no problem with the People
now being able to view the videotape.
533
00:22:10,277 --> 00:22:12,587
Judge, since my client is
the defendant in this case,
534
00:22:12,646 --> 00:22:15,217
I'd like the opportunity to
prepare a motion to suppress.
535
00:22:15,282 --> 00:22:16,352
CARMICHAEL: On what grounds?
536
00:22:16,416 --> 00:22:18,726
Obviously it was someone from
the show who removed the tape,
537
00:22:18,786 --> 00:22:20,663
which means there's no violation
of the Fourth Amendment.
538
00:22:20,721 --> 00:22:23,862
I agree. There's been no search
or seizure by the police.
539
00:22:23,925 --> 00:22:27,236
In any event, you'd have no standing
to contest it even if there were.
540
00:22:27,295 --> 00:22:28,933
Now let's see what
we're talking about here.
541
00:22:28,997 --> 00:22:31,204
Judge, then I object to
the court viewing the tape
542
00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:33,371
before I've been given
an opportunity to do so.
543
00:22:33,434 --> 00:22:36,347
Objection noted, Counselor,
and overruled.
544
00:22:38,407 --> 00:22:42,014
Now if there are no other lawyers
who have something to say,
545
00:22:42,444 --> 00:22:44,481
the court wants to
see the tape.
546
00:22:48,284 --> 00:22:50,992
PAUL: Look, I just want to know, was
it you that let Amber's cat out?
547
00:22:51,053 --> 00:22:52,794
What's it to you?
Was it you?
548
00:22:52,855 --> 00:22:55,268
What are you, Amber's big,
strong protector now?
549
00:22:55,325 --> 00:22:56,599
I want you
out of the house
550
00:22:56,660 --> 00:22:59,402
Oh, really? Why? So you could tell
Amber how big and brave you were?
551
00:22:59,462 --> 00:23:00,873
Oh, shut up. Shut up.
Oh, maybe you'll get lucky.
552
00:23:00,931 --> 00:23:02,706
Shut your mouth, Wes.
Hey, look.
553
00:23:02,766 --> 00:23:03,836
You want to get
in Amber's pants,
554
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:05,811
you gotta do a little more than just talk.
Get off me, man.
555
00:23:05,869 --> 00:23:07,246
That the best you got?
556
00:23:07,304 --> 00:23:09,683
You're not gonna
mess with me, man, okay?
557
00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:13,017
Let's see, was it me
who let Amber's cat out?
558
00:23:13,077 --> 00:23:14,852
Yeah, I think it was.
Oh, yeah?
559
00:23:15,513 --> 00:23:16,958
Let me go!
560
00:23:19,717 --> 00:23:21,128
(BOTH GRUNTING)
561
00:23:22,854 --> 00:23:24,129
(WES SCREAMING)
562
00:23:29,127 --> 00:23:30,606
Mr. McCoy.
563
00:23:31,964 --> 00:23:33,875
I think we're ready
to talk about a plea.
564
00:23:33,932 --> 00:23:36,640
I'm not sure there's anything
left to talk about, Ms. Aaronson.
565
00:23:36,702 --> 00:23:38,876
Trust me. There is.
566
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,483
Dying declaration?
567
00:23:42,742 --> 00:23:44,551
Apparently, the fall
didn't kill him.
568
00:23:44,611 --> 00:23:47,421
At least not before
Paul Wyler spoke to him.
569
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,686
What did he say?
570
00:23:48,748 --> 00:23:50,489
Wyler will testify
that before he died,
571
00:23:50,550 --> 00:23:53,657
Wesley Tatum told him he'd been sent
up on that roof to pick a fight.
572
00:23:54,388 --> 00:23:56,061
It was staged?
573
00:23:56,123 --> 00:23:58,660
Only no one told
Paul Wyler about it.
574
00:23:58,993 --> 00:24:00,700
More dramatic
if he didn't know.
575
00:24:02,563 --> 00:24:04,099
Then who did know?
576
00:24:04,965 --> 00:24:08,277
Well, apparently they were smart enough
not to put it in a production note.
577
00:24:08,336 --> 00:24:09,838
Production note?
578
00:24:10,472 --> 00:24:14,420
Yeah. It's how the producers know what's
gonna happen from episode to episode.
579
00:24:14,476 --> 00:24:16,285
They take each kid,
talk to them once a week,
580
00:24:16,344 --> 00:24:18,483
find out what their plans
are outside the loft,
581
00:24:18,546 --> 00:24:19,854
and then that helps them
to decide
582
00:24:19,914 --> 00:24:21,951
which ones they're gonna
follow with a camera crew.
583
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:25,265
And the night of the fight?
584
00:24:26,956 --> 00:24:29,493
They taped Jeremy
at a poetry reading.
585
00:24:30,026 --> 00:24:31,437
No mention of the roof.
586
00:24:31,961 --> 00:24:34,134
So how'd this cameraman
know to be there?
587
00:24:34,897 --> 00:24:37,400
Everyone in the crew is listed
in their production reports.
588
00:24:37,466 --> 00:24:39,310
Time in and time out.
589
00:24:39,836 --> 00:24:42,942
8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., 4:00
to 12:00, 12:00 to 8:00.
590
00:24:43,006 --> 00:24:44,679
That's eight-hour shifts.
591
00:24:45,642 --> 00:24:47,246
Everything after that,
time and a half?
592
00:24:48,312 --> 00:24:52,089
Yeah. This cameraman on
the roof worked 15 hours.
593
00:24:54,052 --> 00:24:56,555
I went up there because I
thought I might grab something.
594
00:24:56,988 --> 00:24:59,161
The footage of an argument
on the rooftop,
595
00:24:59,223 --> 00:25:01,396
the night sky, building
lit up in the background.
596
00:25:01,459 --> 00:25:03,496
So no one told you to
go up there beforehand?
597
00:25:03,561 --> 00:25:07,008
Gavin's got pretty good instincts
for where to be. No one has to.
598
00:25:07,432 --> 00:25:09,674
We're asking
if anyone did this time.
599
00:25:09,735 --> 00:25:12,113
Look, man, all I do
is run a camera.
600
00:25:13,138 --> 00:25:15,209
You put in for
seven hours of overtime
601
00:25:15,274 --> 00:25:18,016
in a company where no one
ever puts in for any.
602
00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:20,451
Are you gonna tell me that
wasn't by pre-arrangement?
603
00:25:20,512 --> 00:25:22,219
You can't pre-arrange
what happened.
604
00:25:22,281 --> 00:25:24,262
Are you really prepared to
deal with the consequences
605
00:25:24,317 --> 00:25:26,319
of when we find out
you're lying?
606
00:25:26,386 --> 00:25:27,456
I can't stand this.
607
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,965
GAVIN: Clair, I gotta work.
608
00:25:29,022 --> 00:25:31,059
No. Not like this.
609
00:25:32,259 --> 00:25:35,331
The producers knew that something
was gonna happen between them.
610
00:25:35,395 --> 00:25:37,773
They sent Gavin
to get it on tape. Okay?
611
00:25:38,131 --> 00:25:39,304
Done.
612
00:25:44,772 --> 00:25:46,046
Amber, I was just...
613
00:25:46,107 --> 00:25:47,984
COREY: I don't know, why don't
we just trim the headshot
614
00:25:48,042 --> 00:25:49,453
and go directly
to the kitchen?
615
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:51,717
Well, still we're gonna
be long 40 seconds.
616
00:25:51,779 --> 00:25:53,156
That's a wrap.
617
00:25:54,016 --> 00:25:55,188
How did you get in here?
618
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:56,285
With this.
619
00:25:56,351 --> 00:25:59,059
You're both under arrest for
the murder of Wesley Tatum.
620
00:25:59,121 --> 00:26:01,328
You can't arrest us.
We have a show to finish.
621
00:26:01,390 --> 00:26:03,529
Consider yourself canceled.
622
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:11,442
We got your message,
Mr. Kaufman,
623
00:26:11,501 --> 00:26:13,674
but you're both
represented by counsel.
624
00:26:13,736 --> 00:26:16,376
If you have something to say to us,
you need to go through Mr. Behrens.
625
00:26:16,439 --> 00:26:19,750
Behrens? His only
interest is the network.
626
00:26:19,809 --> 00:26:21,345
He doesn't care
what happens to us.
627
00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:23,357
Yeah. He came
down to see us.
628
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,523
To make sure we didn't
talk to anyone.
629
00:26:25,582 --> 00:26:27,084
We fired his ass.
630
00:26:27,151 --> 00:26:29,028
What was Behrens
afraid you'd say?
631
00:26:29,086 --> 00:26:30,463
First off,
I want to be clear.
632
00:26:30,521 --> 00:26:32,558
We never set our people
against each other.
633
00:26:32,623 --> 00:26:34,899
We watched those tapes.
That's exactly what you did.
634
00:26:34,958 --> 00:26:38,429
Never like that. We knew
our kids, Ms. Carmichael.
635
00:26:38,496 --> 00:26:40,169
Wes and Paul
were both volatile.
636
00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:43,007
It wasn't a situation
we'd have allowed to happen.
637
00:26:43,168 --> 00:26:45,842
We're not responsible for sending
those kids up to that roof.
638
00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:47,244
Who was?
639
00:26:48,673 --> 00:26:51,711
You have to understand,
this was our first hit show.
640
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:53,820
After almost 20 years.
641
00:26:53,879 --> 00:26:56,189
You pitch and you pitch,
and then you go in
642
00:26:56,248 --> 00:26:58,694
and some kid
with jelled hair says,
643
00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:00,662
"Sorry, we're going
in a different direction."
644
00:27:00,719 --> 00:27:03,097
But not this time.
This time they said "yes."
645
00:27:03,489 --> 00:27:05,196
Who?
MELANIE: Byron Stark.
646
00:27:05,491 --> 00:27:09,201
He's the network vice president
in charge of current programming.
647
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:11,434
The kid with the hair gel.
648
00:27:11,865 --> 00:27:12,935
Hmm.
649
00:27:14,101 --> 00:27:18,072
According to the Kaufmans, Stark didn't
trust them to get a real fight going.
650
00:27:18,138 --> 00:27:20,414
So he stepped in
and started it himself.
651
00:27:21,074 --> 00:27:22,451
Have you arranged to
have him to come in?
652
00:27:22,509 --> 00:27:23,716
I don't want to do that.
653
00:27:24,111 --> 00:27:26,489
Well, he's a network
vice president, Jack.
654
00:27:26,547 --> 00:27:29,084
Don't you think we should give him
the opportunity to surrender?
655
00:27:29,150 --> 00:27:31,426
From the portrait
the Kaufmans paint,
656
00:27:31,486 --> 00:27:34,729
I doubt very seriously if this man even
believes he can be asked to surrender.
657
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:36,666
I don't want to give him the
chance to destroy evidence
658
00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:38,466
when he discovers
he's mistaken.
659
00:27:39,094 --> 00:27:40,539
Pick him up.
660
00:27:44,166 --> 00:27:45,611
BRISCOE: Byron Stark?
Yeah?
661
00:27:45,667 --> 00:27:46,907
I told them to
wait outside.
662
00:27:46,969 --> 00:27:49,074
New York City Police
Department, Mr. Stark.
663
00:27:49,138 --> 00:27:50,412
We need you to
take a ride with us.
664
00:27:50,472 --> 00:27:52,076
That's funny. (CHUCKLES)
I beg your pardon.
665
00:27:52,141 --> 00:27:54,782
No, that's good. That's a great bit.
Who sent you over here?
666
00:27:54,844 --> 00:27:56,152
Is this Brillstein
put you up to this?
667
00:27:56,212 --> 00:27:58,055
This ain't a joke, sir.
We need you to come with us.
668
00:27:58,114 --> 00:27:59,252
Maybe we should
come back later.
669
00:27:59,315 --> 00:28:01,761
Stay where you are.
You guys are both terrific.
670
00:28:01,818 --> 00:28:04,264
You should leave your head shots and
resumes with my assistant outside.
671
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,799
Cuff him. What? Are
you kidding me?
672
00:28:05,855 --> 00:28:07,425
No, we're placing you
under arrest.
673
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:08,993
All right,
now I'm getting mad.
674
00:28:09,059 --> 00:28:11,471
Call Brillstein. Tell him
this went way beyond funny,
675
00:28:11,529 --> 00:28:14,066
and then stay by the phone so
when these idiots drop me off,
676
00:28:14,131 --> 00:28:15,838
you can have a car sent
to pick me up.
677
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,504
Where are you taking him?
678
00:28:17,868 --> 00:28:21,145
You can't be serious about
charging a network vice president?
679
00:28:21,205 --> 00:28:23,151
Do we look
as if we aren't serious?
680
00:28:23,408 --> 00:28:27,788
Don't you people understand entertainment?
Wes was playacting.
681
00:28:27,846 --> 00:28:30,019
You forgot to tell that
to Paul Wyler.
682
00:28:30,081 --> 00:28:32,322
It's a reality show.
Understand?
683
00:28:32,651 --> 00:28:34,756
If Wyler had been
told that it was fake,
684
00:28:34,819 --> 00:28:36,765
his reactions wouldn't
have been real.
685
00:28:37,389 --> 00:28:41,395
So you pit one kid against another
in order to get better TV ratings
686
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:43,167
and to hell
with their well-being.
687
00:28:43,229 --> 00:28:46,608
These kids want to be on the show.
They beg to be on it.
688
00:28:46,932 --> 00:28:48,912
And millions of
Americans watch.
689
00:28:48,968 --> 00:28:50,606
How badly
could I be treating them?
690
00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:52,479
JACK: Let me give you
a quick sketch of what
691
00:28:52,538 --> 00:28:55,315
a manslaughter case
might look like, Mr. Stark.
692
00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:58,754
Someone incites someone else,
over whom they have authority
693
00:28:58,812 --> 00:29:01,793
or influence, to commit
an act of violence.
694
00:29:02,182 --> 00:29:04,025
They arrange for
the violence to occur.
695
00:29:04,084 --> 00:29:07,031
It does, in fact, occur,
and leads to someone's death.
696
00:29:07,988 --> 00:29:09,366
I didn't intend any harm.
697
00:29:09,657 --> 00:29:11,762
Your actual intent
is irrelevant.
698
00:29:12,427 --> 00:29:15,499
So, suddenly a television show's
responsible when some kid goes nuts?
699
00:29:15,563 --> 00:29:17,804
Not a television show,
Mr. Stark. You.
700
00:29:17,899 --> 00:29:19,936
Who's after ratings
now, McCoy?
701
00:29:27,609 --> 00:29:30,055
JACK: What was your
relationship with Wesley Tatum?
702
00:29:30,112 --> 00:29:33,992
Wes would go out of his way to provoke
people as a way of getting attention.
703
00:29:34,717 --> 00:29:38,894
Did one such provocation occur sometime
before the night of February 21st?
704
00:29:38,955 --> 00:29:40,263
Yes, sir.
705
00:29:40,657 --> 00:29:42,466
Would you tell the court
what that was?
706
00:29:42,525 --> 00:29:44,630
Amber, one of the girls
in the loft,
707
00:29:44,694 --> 00:29:48,904
had a cat she was very attached to.
The cat disappeared.
708
00:29:49,499 --> 00:29:51,638
Amber told me that Wes
left her with the impression
709
00:29:51,701 --> 00:29:53,909
that he deliberately
let the cat outside.
710
00:29:54,272 --> 00:29:55,615
Did you say something to him?
711
00:29:55,673 --> 00:29:57,380
I told him I wanted
to talk to him.
712
00:29:57,441 --> 00:29:58,852
What was his response?
713
00:29:59,243 --> 00:30:01,314
He suggested that
we go up on the roof.
714
00:30:01,379 --> 00:30:03,552
And what happened
when you got to the roof?
715
00:30:04,281 --> 00:30:06,283
He admitted about the cat,
716
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:09,127
he taunted me,
and then he slapped me.
717
00:30:09,454 --> 00:30:10,626
And what did you do?
718
00:30:10,689 --> 00:30:11,724
I lost it.
719
00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:14,896
I mean, uh, he said something
about Amber, and I just snapped.
720
00:30:15,294 --> 00:30:17,535
We started fighting.
721
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:23,610
Uh, then somehow I wound up
pushing him over the side.
722
00:30:23,803 --> 00:30:27,444
Would you tell the court
what you did following that?
723
00:30:27,907 --> 00:30:30,148
When I got to him,
he was lying there,
724
00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:33,622
his eyes looking
right up at me.
725
00:30:34,113 --> 00:30:35,990
I could see he wanted
to tell me something,
726
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:38,188
so I leaned down and...
Objection.
727
00:30:38,251 --> 00:30:39,697
Dying declaration,
Your Honor.
728
00:30:39,753 --> 00:30:42,359
Which must be made by a person
contemplating their own death.
729
00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:44,403
There's no evidence Mr. Tatum
believed he was dying
730
00:30:44,458 --> 00:30:45,766
at the time he made
the statement.
731
00:30:45,826 --> 00:30:48,466
He'd just been pushed off
a rooftop, Mr. Behrens.
732
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:51,806
I'd think that qualifies.
Your objection's overruled.
733
00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:57,238
What, if anything, did
Wesley Tatum say to you?
734
00:30:59,307 --> 00:31:00,684
He, uh...
735
00:31:02,143 --> 00:31:04,419
He just looked at me.
736
00:31:05,246 --> 00:31:06,657
It was, uh...
737
00:31:07,582 --> 00:31:10,154
It was hard
for him to speak.
738
00:31:13,823 --> 00:31:16,531
He said, "What'd you
do that for, man?
739
00:31:18,094 --> 00:31:19,732
"Didn't you talk to 'em?"
740
00:31:21,263 --> 00:31:23,471
And I just looked at him.
741
00:31:25,035 --> 00:31:26,673
Then he said,
742
00:31:28,004 --> 00:31:29,540
"It was an act."
743
00:31:29,606 --> 00:31:31,608
Did you ask him
what he meant by that?
744
00:31:31,675 --> 00:31:32,881
Yeah.
745
00:31:33,176 --> 00:31:34,553
What did he say?
746
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,050
Nothing. He died.
747
00:31:41,386 --> 00:31:43,161
I have no further questions.
748
00:31:48,226 --> 00:31:50,706
Did you ever meet
Mr. Stark before?
749
00:31:50,762 --> 00:31:54,074
PAUL: Once, at one of those network press
things kicking off the new season.
750
00:31:54,433 --> 00:31:56,504
I think he was at
my casting session.
751
00:31:56,568 --> 00:31:58,377
But did you know him
to be involved
752
00:31:58,437 --> 00:32:00,280
in the day-to-day
production of the show?
753
00:32:00,539 --> 00:32:01,609
No.
754
00:32:01,673 --> 00:32:04,153
He ever give you any directions
as to how to behave?
755
00:32:04,209 --> 00:32:05,313
No.
756
00:32:05,611 --> 00:32:07,522
He tell you to go up
on the roof with Wes?
757
00:32:08,748 --> 00:32:09,818
No.
758
00:32:09,883 --> 00:32:12,557
Did he tell you to physically
assault Wesley Tatum?
759
00:32:16,055 --> 00:32:17,261
No.
760
00:32:18,725 --> 00:32:19,965
No further questions.
761
00:32:23,329 --> 00:32:26,243
What was the role of the defendant
in the production of Deal With It?
762
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,712
He championed the show
when we first got going.
763
00:32:28,769 --> 00:32:32,273
When the show took off,
he thought of it as his.
764
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,418
How frequently did he
talk to you about it?
765
00:32:35,876 --> 00:32:37,219
Every day.
766
00:32:38,345 --> 00:32:41,725
Did he ever talk to people on
the show other than yourself?
767
00:32:41,783 --> 00:32:44,662
All the time. He talked to directors,
he talked to cast members,
768
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,996
he'd show up when we were
taping the one-on-ones.
769
00:32:47,055 --> 00:32:49,331
JACK: How about casting?
Was he part of that process?
770
00:32:49,391 --> 00:32:50,836
MELANIE: Bryon
had the final word.
771
00:32:50,892 --> 00:32:54,136
The final word?
Then there was disagreement?
772
00:32:55,398 --> 00:32:57,708
I didn't want Paul Wyler
or Wes Tatum.
773
00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:58,970
Why not?
774
00:32:59,035 --> 00:33:00,742
Wes just wasn't
a team player.
775
00:33:01,571 --> 00:33:03,380
Conflict is one thing.
776
00:33:03,439 --> 00:33:06,943
Perpetual obnoxiousness, that's
an entirely different matter.
777
00:33:07,176 --> 00:33:08,588
JACK: And Paul Wyler?
778
00:33:08,645 --> 00:33:11,649
He had a very questionable
psychological profile.
779
00:33:12,349 --> 00:33:14,955
Corey and I just didn't think
Paul could handle the stress.
780
00:33:15,018 --> 00:33:16,929
But the defendant
thought he could?
781
00:33:17,588 --> 00:33:20,535
Oh, Byron Stark thought that
would make good television.
782
00:33:20,591 --> 00:33:22,161
Especially if Paul
couldn't handle it.
783
00:33:22,226 --> 00:33:24,104
Objection.
Sustained.
784
00:33:24,329 --> 00:33:25,865
Jury will disregard.
785
00:33:27,499 --> 00:33:30,571
Did the defendant ever conduct
an off-camera interview
786
00:33:30,635 --> 00:33:32,205
with any member
of the cast?
787
00:33:32,337 --> 00:33:34,283
On one occasion.
With Wes Tatum.
788
00:33:34,339 --> 00:33:35,545
Present at the time?
789
00:33:35,607 --> 00:33:36,745
Yes.
790
00:33:36,808 --> 00:33:41,315
Would you tell the court what you
heard the defendant say to Mr. Tatum?
791
00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:44,953
He told him the show needed
fireworks going into sweeps.
792
00:33:45,017 --> 00:33:46,894
He told Wes he was
our "go-to guy,"
793
00:33:46,952 --> 00:33:48,625
that was the expression
he used,
794
00:33:48,687 --> 00:33:52,635
and he wanted Wes to get something going
physically with one of the cast members.
795
00:33:52,691 --> 00:33:54,467
Did he specify with whom?
796
00:33:54,528 --> 00:33:57,304
He went through a list
of possible altercations.
797
00:33:57,464 --> 00:33:59,410
Was Paul Wyler among them?
798
00:34:01,368 --> 00:34:04,349
That was Byron's first choice.
799
00:34:05,739 --> 00:34:07,150
JACK: Nothing further.
800
00:34:08,542 --> 00:34:12,013
What else was on the list
of possible altercations?
801
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,528
MELANIE: Walking in on Amber while she was
getting dressed and refusing to leave.
802
00:34:16,784 --> 00:34:18,923
Hiding Rocky's insulin.
803
00:34:19,553 --> 00:34:24,697
Telling Jeremy he questioned the
historical accuracy of the Holocaust.
804
00:34:25,627 --> 00:34:26,901
Did he do
any of those things?
805
00:34:26,962 --> 00:34:28,270
No.
806
00:34:28,831 --> 00:34:33,644
Are you aware of Byron Stark telling
Paul Wyler to push Mr. Tatum off a roof?
807
00:34:34,303 --> 00:34:35,338
No.
808
00:34:35,404 --> 00:34:38,283
Are you aware of Byron Stark telling
Paul Wyler anything at all?
809
00:34:39,876 --> 00:34:41,082
No. I'm not.
810
00:34:42,178 --> 00:34:43,589
No further questions.
811
00:34:48,017 --> 00:34:50,930
I've worked in network
television since I was 22.
812
00:34:51,587 --> 00:34:53,659
It's a very
competitive business,
813
00:34:53,724 --> 00:34:55,965
and I want to win
as much as anyone.
814
00:34:56,627 --> 00:35:00,598
Would I have someone physically
hurt or placed in real jeopardy?
815
00:35:01,131 --> 00:35:02,474
Not for anything.
816
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,645
You did have a conversation
with Wesley Tatum, did you not?
817
00:35:06,704 --> 00:35:08,742
Yes, I did.
What'd you say to him?
818
00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:10,115
I wanted to know
how he felt about
819
00:35:10,175 --> 00:35:12,815
being the quote-unquote
"bad boy" of the household.
820
00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:14,283
How did he feel?
821
00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:16,326
I think Wes had
a sense of humor about it.
822
00:35:16,381 --> 00:35:19,191
He knew that as much as
it was a reality based show,
823
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:22,663
it was reality manipulated
to make for good storytelling.
824
00:35:22,721 --> 00:35:26,397
Did you suggest to Wesley Tatum that
he instigate a fight with Paul Wyler?
825
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:28,367
No. I did not.
826
00:35:28,427 --> 00:35:31,408
BEHRENS: Did you suggest to Wesley Tatum
that a fight take place on the roof?
827
00:35:31,764 --> 00:35:32,834
No.
828
00:35:32,899 --> 00:35:34,674
Well, what did you
suggest to Mr. Tatum?
829
00:35:34,734 --> 00:35:36,873
That provided
he was comfortable with it,
830
00:35:36,936 --> 00:35:40,350
the petty squabbles,
the interpersonal conflicts,
831
00:35:40,407 --> 00:35:42,887
"Who ate all the cookies
and didn't say anything?"
832
00:35:42,943 --> 00:35:44,320
could make for
good television.
833
00:35:44,378 --> 00:35:47,325
Did you have any indication
that this suggestion
834
00:35:47,381 --> 00:35:50,658
would lead to physical violence and
ultimately to Mr. Tatum's death?
835
00:35:51,752 --> 00:35:53,095
None whatsoever.
836
00:35:54,556 --> 00:35:55,830
Nothing further.
837
00:35:56,658 --> 00:35:59,696
No indication your suggestion
could lead to violence?
838
00:35:59,761 --> 00:36:01,206
BYRON: That's right.
839
00:36:01,262 --> 00:36:05,142
Had you read the psychological
profiles of either one of these kids?
840
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:06,303
No. I did not.
841
00:36:06,367 --> 00:36:10,373
But the executive producers objected
to this suggestion, did they not?
842
00:36:11,006 --> 00:36:14,010
Melanie and Corey wanted
to proceed more cautiously,
843
00:36:14,076 --> 00:36:16,317
but in the end they were
on board with my decision.
844
00:36:16,378 --> 00:36:17,823
So it was your decision?
845
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,018
Yes.
846
00:36:19,081 --> 00:36:20,651
What are sweeps, Mr. Stark?
847
00:36:20,916 --> 00:36:23,796
November, February, and May, that's
when ad rates are set based on ratings.
848
00:36:23,853 --> 00:36:25,696
What affect does this
have on programming?
849
00:36:25,755 --> 00:36:27,132
You try to put your
best foot forward,
850
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:30,603
event programming, special
episodes of current series.
851
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:32,970
You try to schedule the most
promotable shows you can.
852
00:36:33,029 --> 00:36:34,406
That's not just me,
that's everybody.
853
00:36:34,464 --> 00:36:37,604
When did your conversation
with Wesley Tatum take place?
854
00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:40,781
I'm really not sure.
855
00:36:43,374 --> 00:36:46,912
Ask that the day-planner
for Byron Stark
856
00:36:46,978 --> 00:36:50,084
be introduced into evidence
as People's Exhibit 19.
857
00:36:50,147 --> 00:36:51,148
JUDGE: So ordered.
858
00:36:51,215 --> 00:36:55,494
Reading from the day planner. "Meeting
with Wesley Tatum, December 17th."
859
00:36:56,488 --> 00:36:57,489
Okay.
860
00:36:57,556 --> 00:37:00,503
December is when you plan for
February sweeps, is it not?
861
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,038
I suppose so.
862
00:37:02,094 --> 00:37:04,734
And was the altercation
between Paul Wyler
863
00:37:04,796 --> 00:37:06,707
and Wesley Tatum
part of that plan?
864
00:37:07,666 --> 00:37:09,669
Absolutely not.
865
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:17,149
Ask that this memorandum be introduced
into evidence as People's Exhibit 20.
866
00:37:17,644 --> 00:37:18,748
So ordered.
867
00:37:18,811 --> 00:37:21,815
This memorandum says that it
was issued by your office,
868
00:37:21,881 --> 00:37:23,383
does It not, Mr. Stark?
869
00:37:23,449 --> 00:37:25,259
Yes.
Read us the title.
870
00:37:28,455 --> 00:37:30,799
"Sweeps Dreams."
Read us the entire title.
871
00:37:34,962 --> 00:37:37,772
"Sweeps Dreams, Cleaning
the Competition's Clock."
872
00:37:37,831 --> 00:37:40,779
Under "Proposed Programming
for Sweeps Dreams,"
873
00:37:40,835 --> 00:37:43,179
what's listed for
the show Deal With It?
874
00:37:45,673 --> 00:37:47,209
"Wes takes on the world."
875
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:51,787
It does not say, however, "Wes
has a fight on a rooftop."
876
00:37:51,846 --> 00:37:53,291
It doesn't say, "Wes dies."
877
00:37:53,348 --> 00:37:54,692
But he did die,
didn't he, Mr. Stark?
878
00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:55,956
BEHRENS: Objection.
879
00:37:56,018 --> 00:37:57,929
Withdrawn. Nothing further.
880
00:38:03,659 --> 00:38:06,799
I don't think that's
what we're talking about.
881
00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:09,504
I do understand
what you're saying.
882
00:38:10,267 --> 00:38:13,043
Yes. Yes. Thank you.
883
00:38:14,237 --> 00:38:18,617
Fifth call from Hollywood. Everybody's
very concerned about the First Amendment.
884
00:38:18,675 --> 00:38:20,348
More like their fall season.
885
00:38:21,411 --> 00:38:23,254
Is it possible Stark
was just talking?
886
00:38:23,848 --> 00:38:25,691
He knew that talking
to Wesley Tatum,
887
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:28,424
there was a better than 50-50
chance he'd be taken seriously.
888
00:38:28,486 --> 00:38:30,261
I'm just not sure
a jury's going to send
889
00:38:30,321 --> 00:38:33,700
this clean-cut young executive
to prison on the basis of
890
00:38:33,758 --> 00:38:35,260
something he might've
said casually.
891
00:38:35,326 --> 00:38:36,532
Do they ever do that?
892
00:38:36,594 --> 00:38:37,664
Do what?
893
00:38:37,729 --> 00:38:39,403
Well, say things casually.
894
00:38:40,165 --> 00:38:43,476
Whether it's missing children
or triumph over illness
895
00:38:43,535 --> 00:38:46,072
or 20-year-olds hanging
out at coffee houses,
896
00:38:46,138 --> 00:38:49,278
it just seems they adhere to trends
in a pretty calculated manner.
897
00:38:49,408 --> 00:38:53,117
Melanie Kaufman testified there was
a list of possible altercations.
898
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,953
He had research done.
899
00:39:00,954 --> 00:39:03,730
JACK: What is a media
consultant, Mr. Cardorette?
900
00:39:03,857 --> 00:39:07,862
I run focus groups, interpret data,
and advise networks on programming.
901
00:39:07,927 --> 00:39:10,636
Did you ever have occasion
to advise the defendant?
902
00:39:10,698 --> 00:39:11,938
Yes.
903
00:39:11,999 --> 00:39:15,173
Would you tell the court what
it was you advised him to do?
904
00:39:15,236 --> 00:39:19,878
I said his demographics were skewing
too far over to females 13-to-25.
905
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:22,819
I said the network needed to
address an erosion among males
906
00:39:22,877 --> 00:39:25,381
the same age group, and
also to broaden their reach
907
00:39:25,447 --> 00:39:28,087
by not conceding
the 26-to-49-year-olds.
908
00:39:28,149 --> 00:39:31,130
How, if at all, did that apply
to the show Deal With It?
909
00:39:31,186 --> 00:39:33,689
Well, the show had,
and has,
910
00:39:33,755 --> 00:39:36,634
an enormous untapped
potential, in my opinion.
911
00:39:36,691 --> 00:39:39,104
Since they change casts and
venues every three months,
912
00:39:39,161 --> 00:39:41,163
I provided input on how
they could help themselves
913
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:42,868
by who they cast
and where they shoot.
914
00:39:42,932 --> 00:39:47,074
Also, in the kind of events our focus
groups told us an audience wanted to see.
915
00:39:47,136 --> 00:39:48,979
And what kinds of events
were they?
916
00:39:49,372 --> 00:39:53,286
The data showed that the target
audience for this show wants conflict.
917
00:39:53,342 --> 00:39:56,449
Someone to root for.
Someone to root against.
918
00:39:56,513 --> 00:39:58,550
And an escalating conflict
between them.
919
00:39:58,615 --> 00:40:01,653
And did you convey
these results to Mr. Stark?
920
00:40:02,552 --> 00:40:04,088
Yes, I did.
921
00:40:06,623 --> 00:40:08,034
I have no further questions.
922
00:40:10,628 --> 00:40:14,007
Is Deaf With It the only show of the
defendant's on which you do research?
923
00:40:14,265 --> 00:40:16,939
No. I do research
on all his shows.
924
00:40:17,402 --> 00:40:21,407
And have you advised him that conflict
needed to be heightened on other shows?
925
00:40:21,472 --> 00:40:22,507
Objection. Irrelevant.
926
00:40:22,574 --> 00:40:25,522
Goes directly to the prosecution's
theory of causality, Your Honor.
927
00:40:26,011 --> 00:40:27,319
I'll allow it.
928
00:40:27,379 --> 00:40:28,517
Mr. Cardorette?
929
00:40:28,948 --> 00:40:31,451
It's quite common for a focus
group to come back with
930
00:40:31,517 --> 00:40:33,690
a stated preference
for heightened conflict.
931
00:40:33,752 --> 00:40:37,495
Did you advise Mr. Stark
of that on other shows?
932
00:40:39,125 --> 00:40:40,263
Yes.
933
00:40:40,327 --> 00:40:41,362
To the best of
your knowledge,
934
00:40:41,428 --> 00:40:44,204
was anybody ever killed
or injured as a result?
935
00:40:44,264 --> 00:40:46,437
To the best
of my knowledge, no.
936
00:40:47,701 --> 00:40:48,941
Nothing further.
937
00:40:50,103 --> 00:40:52,049
Re-direct, Your Honor.
Proceed.
938
00:40:52,305 --> 00:40:54,786
Mr. Cardorette,
did the defendant
939
00:40:54,842 --> 00:40:58,051
ever ask you to conduct
specific research
940
00:40:58,112 --> 00:41:00,683
as to any members of
the cast of Deal With It?
941
00:41:00,748 --> 00:41:02,455
Yes.
What did that entail?
942
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:05,087
I was given a list
of varying preferences,
943
00:41:05,152 --> 00:41:08,429
for example, least
objectionable character,
944
00:41:08,489 --> 00:41:10,936
character most desirable to
go away with for the weekend,
945
00:41:10,993 --> 00:41:12,097
things of that nature.
946
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,298
What about the
947
00:41:13,362 --> 00:41:17,310
character the death of whom would
be most cause for celebration?
948
00:41:18,233 --> 00:41:19,507
Yes.
949
00:41:19,901 --> 00:41:23,576
Was that the exact name of the category
given to you by the defendant?
950
00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:31,923
Yes, but I don't think it was
intended to be taken literally.
951
00:41:31,981 --> 00:41:34,222
It's simply dramatic license.
952
00:41:36,819 --> 00:41:38,389
Dramatic license.
953
00:41:39,390 --> 00:41:40,869
Tell us, Mr. Cardorette,
954
00:41:40,924 --> 00:41:43,461
who was it on the show the
audience wanted to see dead?
955
00:41:48,265 --> 00:41:50,802
Wesley Tatum. Hands down.
956
00:41:52,169 --> 00:41:53,546
JACK: Nothing further.
957
00:41:57,776 --> 00:41:59,517
What are you
looking for, McCoy?
958
00:42:00,412 --> 00:42:01,948
Man two.
959
00:42:06,384 --> 00:42:07,658
How much time?
960
00:42:08,219 --> 00:42:09,324
Two-to-six.
961
00:42:09,388 --> 00:42:11,265
I've never gotten so much
as a speeding ticket.
962
00:42:11,323 --> 00:42:13,269
He is the vice president
of a network.
963
00:42:13,326 --> 00:42:16,535
Who set in motion events
that led to someone's death.
964
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:18,932
Shouldn't make me responsible.
965
00:42:18,998 --> 00:42:22,377
Which is a position you're certainly
free to go to the jury with.
966
00:42:22,435 --> 00:42:25,076
They'll decide whether
or not you're responsible.
967
00:42:25,138 --> 00:42:29,177
I'm not sure that being a network vice
president is gonna help you there.
968
00:42:35,315 --> 00:42:37,056
Take the offer, Byron.
969
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:51,532
Was it me who
let Amber's cat out?
970
00:42:52,166 --> 00:42:54,078
Yeah, I think it was me.
Oh, yeah?
971
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:55,874
Let me go!
972
00:42:58,941 --> 00:43:00,386
(BOTH GRUNTING)
973
00:43:01,944 --> 00:43:03,423
(WES SCREAMING)
974
00:43:06,315 --> 00:43:07,885
Pretty horrifying.
975
00:43:09,085 --> 00:43:12,328
And the news organizations can't
wait to get their hands on it.
976
00:43:12,722 --> 00:43:13,996
I already have
their subpoena.
977
00:43:14,457 --> 00:43:15,663
You think they'll air it?
978
00:43:16,192 --> 00:43:17,865
It's reality television.
979
00:43:17,927 --> 00:43:19,429
Truth is, when Stark
gets out of prison,
980
00:43:19,496 --> 00:43:21,999
they'll probably make him
a network president.