1 00:00:01,209 --> 00:00:02,950 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:03,011 --> 00:00:06,892 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:06,949 --> 00:00:08,758 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,818 --> 00:00:11,628 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,687 --> 00:00:13,223 These are their stories. 6 00:00:15,858 --> 00:00:17,497 We're obviously not hitting it off 7 00:00:17,561 --> 00:00:19,438 like Bob and Marcy thought we would. 8 00:00:19,496 --> 00:00:22,340 We don't have to go eat dinner, okay? We could just call it a night. 9 00:00:22,399 --> 00:00:23,969 (EXHALES) We already came this far. 10 00:00:24,034 --> 00:00:28,984 We might as well find this place and get some tofu or whatever. 11 00:00:29,207 --> 00:00:31,050 Now you're being hostile. 12 00:00:31,109 --> 00:00:33,316 Look, I'm not judging you for eating meat, okay? 13 00:00:33,378 --> 00:00:35,949 I just prefer not to eat beings with souls. 14 00:00:36,014 --> 00:00:37,049 (CHUCKLES) 15 00:00:37,115 --> 00:00:39,722 The Pantheists believed plants had souls. 16 00:00:39,785 --> 00:00:42,026 How does that fit into your paradigm? 17 00:00:42,088 --> 00:00:44,591 I choose to draw the line at animal matter. 18 00:00:44,657 --> 00:00:47,604 And you shouldn't litter. We're all custodians of the earth. 19 00:00:49,362 --> 00:00:51,364 Oh, my God. What now? 20 00:00:56,670 --> 00:00:57,808 How long's he been here? 21 00:00:57,871 --> 00:01:01,115 Well, the body's still warm. M.E. says no more than an hour. 22 00:01:01,175 --> 00:01:04,213 Looks like he was shot on the street and then dragged down here. 23 00:01:04,278 --> 00:01:06,224 Yeah, he took one in the chest. 24 00:01:07,081 --> 00:01:09,426 CSU's got the shell casings. 25 00:01:10,586 --> 00:01:11,860 Looks like his early 50s? 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,628 Yeah. He did pretty well, from the looks of his clothes. 27 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:16,067 Any ID? 28 00:01:16,125 --> 00:01:18,696 The money's still here, so it's probably not a robbery. 29 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:19,864 Let's see. 30 00:01:21,264 --> 00:01:24,302 Thomas Reddick. Pavilion Publishing. CEO. 31 00:01:24,901 --> 00:01:26,437 (SIREN WAILS) 32 00:01:26,769 --> 00:01:30,877 Looks like they publish a string of magazines. News, fashion. 33 00:01:30,941 --> 00:01:33,444 Well, he's on the other side of the camera now. 34 00:01:33,511 --> 00:01:35,388 He's on the other side, period. 35 00:02:26,569 --> 00:02:28,640 Tomorrow's our anniversary. 36 00:02:29,838 --> 00:02:31,340 Twenty-three years. 37 00:02:32,007 --> 00:02:34,419 ED: We're very sorry for your loss, Mrs. Reddick. 38 00:02:36,146 --> 00:02:38,820 Our son Ted is a senior at Brown and... 39 00:02:40,984 --> 00:02:42,964 I don't know how I'm going to tell him. 40 00:02:43,787 --> 00:02:47,065 The last time you spoke to your husband, he was in his office? 41 00:02:48,893 --> 00:02:53,535 He called me at about 5:00, just to say hi. 42 00:02:57,769 --> 00:03:01,808 I hurried him off the phone because I was late for my pilates class. 43 00:03:01,873 --> 00:03:03,819 ED: What time did you get home? 44 00:03:03,875 --> 00:03:06,048 Around 7:00 or so. 45 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,783 Were you concerned at all that he wasn't here? 46 00:03:09,849 --> 00:03:12,989 Ever since they made him CEO at Pavilion, 47 00:03:13,052 --> 00:03:15,430 he's had an enormous demand on his time. 48 00:03:15,955 --> 00:03:17,993 His office is at Midtown. 49 00:03:18,258 --> 00:03:20,864 Any idea why he was five blocks from here? 50 00:03:21,462 --> 00:03:24,602 (SIGHS) The only thing I can think is that, 51 00:03:24,665 --> 00:03:27,977 he stopped to get a last minute anniversary gift. 52 00:03:29,070 --> 00:03:31,050 ED: ls there anybody in the area he would have visited? 53 00:03:31,106 --> 00:03:33,108 (SIGHS) Not that I know of. 54 00:03:34,943 --> 00:03:36,786 I hate to ask you this but, 55 00:03:37,979 --> 00:03:41,052 could there have been another party involved? 56 00:03:42,952 --> 00:03:47,697 The only other party in our marriage was that job, Detective. 57 00:03:48,591 --> 00:03:50,128 I used to joke that 58 00:03:52,095 --> 00:03:54,166 that job would make me a widow. 59 00:03:58,535 --> 00:04:00,777 You know, this is pretty impressive. Yeah. 60 00:04:00,838 --> 00:04:03,978 And for all that the guy ends up dead at the bottom of a stairwell. 61 00:04:04,042 --> 00:04:05,919 I've got his appointment book. 62 00:04:05,977 --> 00:04:08,014 I'm not sure you should be going through that. 63 00:04:08,079 --> 00:04:10,252 Look, we're dealing with a homicide investigation. 64 00:04:10,314 --> 00:04:12,693 Oh, I just meant there might be some sensitive material there. 65 00:04:12,751 --> 00:04:14,424 That's exactly what we're looking for. 66 00:04:14,486 --> 00:04:17,160 I was referring to the corporate financial information 67 00:04:17,222 --> 00:04:18,257 about the buyouts. 68 00:04:18,323 --> 00:04:20,303 Buyouts? Of the other magazines. 69 00:04:20,526 --> 00:04:22,734 That's what Mr. Reddick's meetings were about yesterday. 70 00:04:22,796 --> 00:04:24,537 When was his last appointment? 71 00:04:25,799 --> 00:04:28,245 That would have been his 6:30 with Legal. 72 00:04:28,335 --> 00:04:30,178 And that was the last time you saw him? 73 00:04:30,236 --> 00:04:32,979 On his way upstairs. He wasn't very happy. 74 00:04:33,474 --> 00:04:36,080 Mr. Reddick didn't really look forward to meetings with lawyers. 75 00:04:36,143 --> 00:04:37,588 I know the feeling. 76 00:04:39,046 --> 00:04:41,424 Pavilion Publishing just bought out several magazines 77 00:04:41,482 --> 00:04:43,224 to bring under our umbrella. 78 00:04:43,585 --> 00:04:45,861 Naturally, it came with residual baggage. 79 00:04:46,221 --> 00:04:47,928 Meaning? Lawsuits. 80 00:04:48,724 --> 00:04:52,228 Thomas was here for an hour or so to discuss potential resolutions. 81 00:04:54,864 --> 00:04:57,868 Thomas was such a driving force in this company. 82 00:04:59,335 --> 00:05:01,042 I can't believe he's gone. 83 00:05:01,104 --> 00:05:03,311 Was there anybody else here besides you two? 84 00:05:04,007 --> 00:05:07,477 Several of our in-house attorneys, a paralegal. 85 00:05:07,978 --> 00:05:11,357 We were evaluating the cases and preparing settlement offers. 86 00:05:11,415 --> 00:05:14,021 Do you recall what time Mr. Reddick left the meeting? 87 00:05:14,084 --> 00:05:16,326 I know it was around 7:30. 88 00:05:16,454 --> 00:05:19,663 I just assumed he was going back to his office. 89 00:05:19,724 --> 00:05:22,136 I was on duty last night when Mr. Reddick left. 90 00:05:22,594 --> 00:05:24,904 We've all been working double shifts these last few months. 91 00:05:24,963 --> 00:05:27,103 Do people sign in and out of the building after hours? 92 00:05:27,166 --> 00:05:30,443 If they don't have IDs, anyone in after 6:00 signs a sheet 93 00:05:30,503 --> 00:05:31,743 and again when they leave. 94 00:05:31,804 --> 00:05:34,648 Does that show anybody signing out around the time Mr. Reddick left? 95 00:05:34,707 --> 00:05:36,745 No, sir. Not until 10 minutes later. 96 00:05:38,011 --> 00:05:40,582 This doesn't say which offices half the people went to. 97 00:05:40,647 --> 00:05:42,126 And some of them didn't even sign out. 98 00:05:42,282 --> 00:05:44,853 Phone rings, I can't do six things at once. 99 00:05:44,918 --> 00:05:47,627 Was anybody with Mr. Reddick when he went out? 100 00:05:47,688 --> 00:05:48,860 He was by himself. 101 00:05:48,923 --> 00:05:50,994 I offered to get him a cab, it was freezing out, 102 00:05:51,058 --> 00:05:52,503 but he said I should stay warm. 103 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:53,595 Decent guy. 104 00:05:53,661 --> 00:05:54,969 Did you see him get in the cab? 105 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:56,474 I saw it pull up. 106 00:05:56,531 --> 00:05:58,910 I remember because there were a few other people out there. 107 00:05:58,967 --> 00:06:00,378 Looked like he was talking to one of them. 108 00:06:00,436 --> 00:06:02,882 I looked again, the cab was gone, so was Mr. Reddick. 109 00:06:02,938 --> 00:06:05,384 So you didn't see if Mr. Reddick got in the taxi by himself? 110 00:06:05,441 --> 00:06:07,114 I wasn't paying close attention. 111 00:06:07,176 --> 00:06:08,986 Do you remember what this person looked like? 112 00:06:09,045 --> 00:06:11,047 The one that Reddick was talking to? 113 00:06:11,114 --> 00:06:12,491 A white guy. 114 00:06:12,549 --> 00:06:14,722 Suit and tie, overcoat. 115 00:06:14,784 --> 00:06:15,819 That's about it. 116 00:06:15,885 --> 00:06:16,886 Thanks. 117 00:06:19,557 --> 00:06:21,127 So he leaves his office at 7:30 118 00:06:21,192 --> 00:06:24,571 and winds up dead five blocks from home a half hour later. 119 00:06:24,628 --> 00:06:28,007 The canvass didn't turn up any witnesses in the vicinity of the attack. 120 00:06:28,065 --> 00:06:32,344 Well, Ballistics said the gun used to kill Mr. Reddick was a Glock 9mm. 121 00:06:32,404 --> 00:06:34,213 Anything recovered from the search of the area? 122 00:06:34,272 --> 00:06:35,444 Nothing so far. 123 00:06:35,507 --> 00:06:37,783 There were a couple of gift shops and florists in the area. 124 00:06:37,843 --> 00:06:41,587 So if his wife was right about him stopping for an anniversary present, 125 00:06:41,647 --> 00:06:43,217 he never made it. 126 00:06:43,282 --> 00:06:45,125 Wallet full of cash, nothing taken. 127 00:06:45,184 --> 00:06:46,322 It still could have been a robbery. 128 00:06:46,385 --> 00:06:48,387 Somebody comes along, they scare the attacker off. 129 00:06:48,454 --> 00:06:51,299 So we're right back to the last people who saw him alive. 130 00:06:51,391 --> 00:06:53,803 Security guard said Reddick left the building alone 131 00:06:53,861 --> 00:06:57,468 and then was talking to a white guy in a suit just before he got into the cab. 132 00:06:57,564 --> 00:07:00,477 Only he wasn't sure if this guy got in the cab with Reddick. 133 00:07:00,534 --> 00:07:02,139 Now, that lawyer you spoke with, 134 00:07:02,203 --> 00:07:04,308 didn't he say there were other people at the meeting? 135 00:07:04,372 --> 00:07:07,581 Well, maybe this guy in the suit was one of them. 136 00:07:07,642 --> 00:07:09,553 Mr. Reddick left by himself. 137 00:07:09,611 --> 00:07:12,354 He didn't offer to maybe share a cab with anybody? 138 00:07:12,481 --> 00:07:14,757 Mmm-mmm. The rest of us continued working on the cases. 139 00:07:14,817 --> 00:07:15,989 The lawsuits? 140 00:07:16,051 --> 00:07:17,325 Are those them? Yes. 141 00:07:17,386 --> 00:07:18,626 Mind if we take a look? 142 00:07:18,687 --> 00:07:20,826 Actually, all those files are privileged. 143 00:07:21,056 --> 00:07:24,095 Okay. Can you tell us the nature of the litigations? 144 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,698 They run the gamut from slip-and-falls to contract disputes, 145 00:07:27,764 --> 00:07:29,937 a few sexual harassment suits. 146 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,804 Just one big happy company. 147 00:07:32,235 --> 00:07:33,738 ED: Were there any plaintiffs that were a problem? 148 00:07:33,804 --> 00:07:35,579 They are all a problem. 149 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,883 But it wouldn't have been in anyone's interest to harm Thomas. 150 00:07:38,943 --> 00:07:41,719 He was the one anxious to dispose of the suits. 151 00:07:42,146 --> 00:07:43,284 BRISCOE: Well, what we're thinking is, 152 00:07:43,347 --> 00:07:46,659 would anybody on this list have been interested in disposing of him? 153 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:53,133 IRWIN: I filed the suit because as a stockholder 154 00:07:53,192 --> 00:07:55,571 I disagree with the management decisions of the company. 155 00:07:55,628 --> 00:07:58,006 I'm guessing you're a minority shareholder. 156 00:07:58,064 --> 00:08:00,010 I'm entitled to express my views. 157 00:08:00,066 --> 00:08:02,205 Please don't lean on the Chippendale. 158 00:08:02,969 --> 00:08:07,077 Maybe you wanted to express your views directly to Thomas Reddick. 159 00:08:07,141 --> 00:08:09,348 That's why I sued. But as for killing him... 160 00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:11,947 Look, we spoke to the lawyers at the publishing company. 161 00:08:12,012 --> 00:08:14,458 They got a whole stack of letters that you wrote to Mr. Reddick. 162 00:08:14,515 --> 00:08:15,961 Threatening letters, Irwin. 163 00:08:16,017 --> 00:08:18,520 Look, I believe in the pen, not the sword. 164 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:20,761 In fact, I got a file cabinet full of complaint letters 165 00:08:20,822 --> 00:08:23,393 just like the one I sent to Pavilion. 166 00:08:23,458 --> 00:08:25,438 How come I have no problem believing that? 167 00:08:25,493 --> 00:08:27,303 So what the hell were you so upset about? 168 00:08:27,763 --> 00:08:29,299 Pavilion is expanding into areas 169 00:08:29,365 --> 00:08:30,969 I don't think are in its best interest. 170 00:08:32,268 --> 00:08:33,542 Such as... 171 00:08:34,003 --> 00:08:37,213 Porn. I mean, they were soft core magazines, 172 00:08:37,274 --> 00:08:41,745 but buying them out was a fundamental violation of Pavilion's corporate mission. 173 00:08:41,812 --> 00:08:44,759 The guy sells Chippendales, but he objects to porn. 174 00:08:44,815 --> 00:08:45,953 (LAUGHS MOCKINGLY) 175 00:08:46,016 --> 00:08:48,429 Wonder why Pavilion's lawyers never mentioned it. 176 00:08:48,486 --> 00:08:50,557 It's their dirty little secret. 177 00:08:50,622 --> 00:08:52,067 A profitable one. 178 00:08:52,123 --> 00:08:54,364 You know, we can cross-reference the list of plaintiffs 179 00:08:54,425 --> 00:08:56,769 from the magazine and see what turns up. 180 00:09:00,132 --> 00:09:02,476 My agent told me it was away to make some easy money. 181 00:09:02,534 --> 00:09:04,275 You mean posing for those photos? 182 00:09:04,336 --> 00:09:07,340 (SIGHS) Rent, acting classes, time off for auditions. 183 00:09:07,406 --> 00:09:09,148 It all takes money, Detective. 184 00:09:09,209 --> 00:09:10,381 Money I don't have. 185 00:09:10,443 --> 00:09:12,184 So, why did you sue? 186 00:09:13,046 --> 00:09:14,389 'Cause your boyfriend didn't like it? 187 00:09:15,081 --> 00:09:16,788 Doug doesn't understand what it's like. 188 00:09:16,883 --> 00:09:18,829 How much competition there is out there. 189 00:09:19,219 --> 00:09:21,791 So, he's the one who didn't want the photos published? 190 00:09:22,390 --> 00:09:24,961 Well, they were supposed to be for a private collection. 191 00:09:25,026 --> 00:09:26,937 Then about six months ago, I got a letter in the mail 192 00:09:26,994 --> 00:09:29,304 saying they were going to run them in one of their magazines. 193 00:09:29,363 --> 00:09:30,707 ED: How did Doug take that? 194 00:09:30,766 --> 00:09:32,177 (SIGHS) Not real well. 195 00:09:33,001 --> 00:09:35,880 Is there any chance that your boyfriend could have known 196 00:09:35,937 --> 00:09:38,417 Pavilion was going to talk about your lawsuit that night? 197 00:09:38,473 --> 00:09:39,508 AMANDA: Why? 198 00:09:39,574 --> 00:09:42,055 We just need to speak to anybody that might have been involved. 199 00:09:42,111 --> 00:09:44,284 Look, Doug was pissed, but that's all. 200 00:09:45,081 --> 00:09:46,685 He couldn't have had anything to do with it. 201 00:09:46,749 --> 00:09:48,922 He works two jobs. Nights he tends bar. 202 00:09:51,354 --> 00:09:53,096 Doug never showed up that night. He say why? 203 00:09:53,157 --> 00:09:54,795 Said he forgot. 204 00:09:54,858 --> 00:09:56,098 Kid's been with me over a year. 205 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,071 I gotta cut him some slack, you know. 206 00:09:58,128 --> 00:09:59,732 What do you guys want to talk to him about? 207 00:09:59,797 --> 00:10:01,003 His girlfriend. 208 00:10:01,065 --> 00:10:02,636 Amanda. You know her? 209 00:10:03,234 --> 00:10:05,214 Yeah, sure. She comes in here all the time. 210 00:10:05,270 --> 00:10:07,443 Whoa, whoa. Doug didn't do something stupid, now did he? 211 00:10:07,505 --> 00:10:08,745 Why do you say that? 212 00:10:08,807 --> 00:10:10,184 Well, the kid's upset, you know. 213 00:10:10,241 --> 00:10:12,084 I mean, this girl's the girl of his dreams, 214 00:10:12,143 --> 00:10:13,987 if we can all remember what that's like. 215 00:10:14,046 --> 00:10:16,549 You know, the stuff about the pictures comes out, you know. 216 00:10:16,615 --> 00:10:17,753 He talked about it? 217 00:10:17,817 --> 00:10:20,297 Yeah, sure. It's all he could talk about. I tried to tell him, 218 00:10:20,352 --> 00:10:22,491 I said, "Look, it's not the end of the world or anything." 219 00:10:22,555 --> 00:10:24,467 But he didn't see it that way. No. 220 00:10:24,524 --> 00:10:25,969 The guys at the construction job 221 00:10:26,026 --> 00:10:27,505 started giving him the grief, you know. 222 00:10:27,561 --> 00:10:29,097 We get lawyers in here from time to time. 223 00:10:29,162 --> 00:10:31,574 He was always asking 'em what he could do, you know. 224 00:10:31,631 --> 00:10:33,508 But they kept telling him there's nothing he could do. 225 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:35,741 So Doug didn't take no for an answer. 226 00:10:36,637 --> 00:10:37,672 BRISCOE: Douglas Larson? 227 00:10:37,739 --> 00:10:39,047 DOUG: That's right. 228 00:10:39,107 --> 00:10:41,417 We need to talk to you about Thomas Reddick. 229 00:10:41,476 --> 00:10:42,750 What about? 230 00:10:42,810 --> 00:10:44,346 You don't seem surprised. 231 00:10:45,781 --> 00:10:47,852 Well, I figure it has something to do with Amanda. 232 00:10:47,916 --> 00:10:49,418 Then you know Mr. Reddick? 233 00:10:49,485 --> 00:10:51,089 I know who he is, yeah. 234 00:10:51,153 --> 00:10:52,860 When's the last time you saw him? 235 00:10:52,921 --> 00:10:55,869 I've never seen him. Look, what's this all about? 236 00:10:55,925 --> 00:10:58,531 BRISCOE: Maybe we better talk down at the precinct. 237 00:10:59,062 --> 00:11:00,439 Are You saying I gotta go with you? 238 00:11:00,497 --> 00:11:03,171 Look, it would help to clear some things up. 239 00:11:03,233 --> 00:11:04,405 About Amanda. 240 00:11:05,935 --> 00:11:07,176 Can I at least change? 241 00:11:07,238 --> 00:11:08,444 BRISCOE: Oh, don't worry about it. 242 00:11:08,506 --> 00:11:11,544 The kind of pictures we take are only from the neck up. 243 00:11:11,742 --> 00:11:12,743 Let's go. 244 00:11:17,983 --> 00:11:20,156 I told you, I never saw Reddick that night. 245 00:11:20,218 --> 00:11:21,663 But you did go to his office. 246 00:11:21,753 --> 00:11:24,495 Your name's on the building sign-in sheet. 247 00:11:27,359 --> 00:11:29,931 You recognize your signature, Mr. Larson? 248 00:11:30,963 --> 00:11:32,909 Okay, I went up to see Reddick, 249 00:11:32,965 --> 00:11:34,239 but he was already gone. 250 00:11:34,667 --> 00:11:36,044 Then why go there at all? 251 00:11:36,102 --> 00:11:37,206 I just wanted to talk to him. 252 00:11:37,270 --> 00:11:39,649 See if maybe they'd think about what they were doing to Amanda. 253 00:11:39,706 --> 00:11:41,413 You mean about what they were doing to you? 254 00:11:41,475 --> 00:11:45,321 People have told us you were pretty angry about those pictures, Mr. Larson. 255 00:11:46,046 --> 00:11:47,548 What are you saying? 256 00:11:47,614 --> 00:11:50,255 Why did you lie to your boss about where you were that night? 257 00:11:50,318 --> 00:11:52,093 I didn't think it was any of his business. 258 00:11:52,153 --> 00:11:55,225 The security guard said he saw you talkin' to Reddick 259 00:11:55,290 --> 00:11:57,133 that night in front of his building. 260 00:11:57,192 --> 00:11:59,194 I told you, I never saw him. 261 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:01,764 He said that you two were arguing. 262 00:12:01,831 --> 00:12:03,208 It never happened. 263 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,947 Look, I went up to Reddick's office, he wasn't there. 264 00:12:08,003 --> 00:12:10,848 I came back down, got in the car with my friend. That's all. 265 00:12:10,974 --> 00:12:13,011 BRISCOE: What friend? A guy I work at the site with. 266 00:12:13,076 --> 00:12:15,249 Danny Moreno. He gave me a ride. 267 00:12:15,912 --> 00:12:19,121 Look, you can ask him yourself. He was there when I came out. 268 00:12:19,716 --> 00:12:22,357 My wife temps three blocks away. I gave Doug a lift. 269 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,796 You drove into Midtown to pick your wife up? 270 00:12:24,889 --> 00:12:26,197 She broke her leg a few months ago. 271 00:12:26,257 --> 00:12:27,793 She still has trouble getting around. 272 00:12:27,858 --> 00:12:29,064 What's going on? 273 00:12:29,126 --> 00:12:32,506 Hey, did Doug tell you why he was going to Pavilion Publishing? 274 00:12:32,564 --> 00:12:34,771 To talk to some guy about his girlfriend's pictures. 275 00:12:34,833 --> 00:12:37,211 Was he angry? Of course he was. Wouldn't you be? 276 00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:39,749 BRISCOE: He said that you were there when he came out. 277 00:12:39,805 --> 00:12:43,049 Yeah, my wife doesn't get off till 8:00. I found a spot on the corner. 278 00:12:43,743 --> 00:12:46,349 A man was killed that night, Mr. Moreno. 279 00:12:46,946 --> 00:12:48,084 This man. 280 00:12:48,147 --> 00:12:50,354 Actually there were a couple of guys 281 00:12:50,416 --> 00:12:51,952 and I think one of them was a black guy. 282 00:12:52,018 --> 00:12:53,862 Looked to me like they had some sort of beef. 283 00:12:53,921 --> 00:12:55,298 Might've been him, I don't know. 284 00:12:55,356 --> 00:12:57,165 BRISCOE: Can you describe who was with him? 285 00:12:57,224 --> 00:12:58,532 Two white guys. ED: Two white guys? 286 00:12:58,592 --> 00:12:59,627 Right. 287 00:12:59,693 --> 00:13:02,264 Did you notice if they all came out of the same building? 288 00:13:02,329 --> 00:13:03,741 I didn't see. 289 00:13:03,798 --> 00:13:05,300 Did you see if they left together? 290 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,708 Black guy got in the cab, 291 00:13:06,768 --> 00:13:09,715 then the other two flagged down another one a couple of seconds later. 292 00:13:09,771 --> 00:13:10,841 Anything else you can tell us? 293 00:13:10,906 --> 00:13:12,852 Just that the white guys seemed in a hurry. 294 00:13:12,908 --> 00:13:14,513 I noticed that 'cause they started helping a lady 295 00:13:14,577 --> 00:13:16,853 who was already in the cab take her luggage out of the back. 296 00:13:16,913 --> 00:13:19,860 It was one of those, you know, minivan type taxis. 297 00:13:21,918 --> 00:13:24,194 So, we're not looking for one white guy in a suit. Now it's two. 298 00:13:24,253 --> 00:13:26,427 Oh, well, that just narrows it right down. 299 00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:28,595 And we're sure Doug Larson wasn't one of them? 300 00:13:28,659 --> 00:13:31,640 Only time you'd find him in a suit would be at a wedding or a funeral. 301 00:13:31,695 --> 00:13:35,268 Okay, so this witness sees these two guys with Reddick arguing. 302 00:13:35,332 --> 00:13:37,540 Although he's not sure he saw them come out of the same building. 303 00:13:37,602 --> 00:13:39,138 Well, if they had something to do with the murder, 304 00:13:39,203 --> 00:13:41,205 then they had to follow him in the second cab. 305 00:13:41,272 --> 00:13:43,843 Or they knew where Reddick was going in the first place. 306 00:13:43,908 --> 00:13:45,148 Well, the only way to find out 307 00:13:45,209 --> 00:13:46,951 is to talk to the second cabbie. 308 00:13:47,413 --> 00:13:48,824 Oh, that ought to be easy. 309 00:13:51,116 --> 00:13:55,155 Taxi and Limousine Commission says there's 382 minivan type cabs in the city. 310 00:13:55,220 --> 00:13:56,665 They tell you which companies use them? 311 00:13:56,722 --> 00:13:58,293 Yeah, mainly the independents. 312 00:13:58,358 --> 00:14:00,964 Guy said the sedans are lucky to have a three-year street life. 313 00:14:01,027 --> 00:14:02,768 Minivans go for five or more. 314 00:14:02,829 --> 00:14:03,967 There's three makes. 315 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:07,204 Isuzu Oasis, Chevy Venture and Honda Odyssey. 316 00:14:07,267 --> 00:14:08,941 Here's a list of the independents. 317 00:14:09,003 --> 00:14:11,279 We can pull the registrations from the DMV. 318 00:14:11,339 --> 00:14:14,115 Please tell me they weren't all on the road that night. 319 00:14:15,543 --> 00:14:17,250 I had just gotten back from JFK. 320 00:14:17,311 --> 00:14:20,191 I was about to go back to the airport when these two guys jumped in. 321 00:14:20,248 --> 00:14:21,522 One of them gave me $50. 322 00:14:21,583 --> 00:14:24,792 I figured, airport business isn't what it used to be anyway, so... 323 00:14:24,853 --> 00:14:25,957 Where'd you take 'em? 324 00:14:26,021 --> 00:14:27,830 The West Side. The Seventies. 325 00:14:27,889 --> 00:14:28,891 You're sure? 326 00:14:28,958 --> 00:14:31,370 Yes, one of them wanted me to follow this other cab. 327 00:14:31,427 --> 00:14:32,770 At first, I started to laugh. 328 00:14:32,829 --> 00:14:34,831 I thought maybe I was on Spy TV. 329 00:14:34,897 --> 00:14:36,376 But then the one guy, he tells me to shut up 330 00:14:36,432 --> 00:14:37,911 and keep my eyes on the other cab. 331 00:14:37,967 --> 00:14:39,412 That is why I remember. 332 00:14:39,837 --> 00:14:41,214 So what happened when you dropped them off? 333 00:14:41,438 --> 00:14:43,042 The one who gave me the money got out. 334 00:14:43,107 --> 00:14:45,212 The other one I took back across the park. 335 00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:46,379 BRISCOE: So, they didn't both get out? 336 00:14:46,443 --> 00:14:49,185 No, no, just the one. The other guy wanted to go home. 337 00:14:49,246 --> 00:14:51,693 So, what did the first guy do when he got out? 338 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:53,991 He went off into the direction of the other cab. 339 00:14:54,052 --> 00:14:55,531 After that, I didn't see. 340 00:14:55,587 --> 00:14:57,897 Do you remember where you dropped the second guy off? 341 00:14:57,956 --> 00:15:01,837 82nd and York, I think But I could check my trip sheet. 342 00:15:01,894 --> 00:15:04,204 BRISCOE: You remember anything else about these guys? 343 00:15:04,263 --> 00:15:05,503 Just that the one was real angry. 344 00:15:05,564 --> 00:15:06,872 ED: Angry? Angry about what? 345 00:15:06,932 --> 00:15:08,843 I couldn't hear. Just the other one. 346 00:15:08,934 --> 00:15:10,811 He kept saying how it is not worth it. 347 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:12,851 Kept trying to get his friend to go back to some bar. 348 00:15:12,906 --> 00:15:13,976 What bar? 349 00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:15,486 Had to be near where I picked them up. 350 00:15:15,542 --> 00:15:18,386 He kept on talking about the waitress. A redhead. 351 00:15:19,312 --> 00:15:21,690 We get a lot of customers from the building after work. 352 00:15:21,748 --> 00:15:23,126 Brokers, lawyers. 353 00:15:23,184 --> 00:15:25,186 You made quite an impression on this guy. 354 00:15:25,253 --> 00:15:27,096 He was talking about you in the cab. 355 00:15:27,155 --> 00:15:28,429 Nothing stands out. 356 00:15:28,489 --> 00:15:31,436 Okay, this guy had a friend. They would have left around 7:30. 357 00:15:31,492 --> 00:15:33,530 That's happy hour. It's a mob scene in here. 358 00:15:33,595 --> 00:15:36,769 Well, we're gonna need all your charge receipts from that night. 359 00:15:36,832 --> 00:15:38,106 My manager could get those for you, 360 00:15:38,167 --> 00:15:40,147 but usually guys just pay cash. 361 00:15:40,202 --> 00:15:42,341 Hey, did anybody try to hook up with you? 362 00:15:42,404 --> 00:15:43,611 Ask for your number? 363 00:15:44,574 --> 00:15:46,076 Hang on a minute. 364 00:15:47,043 --> 00:15:50,684 Hook up? Were these guys trying to get laid or tow her car? 365 00:15:50,747 --> 00:15:52,055 (CHUCKLES) 366 00:15:52,348 --> 00:15:55,626 I don't give out my number. But sometimes guys give me their business cards. 367 00:15:55,686 --> 00:15:58,189 These are from the past couple of nights. 368 00:16:00,991 --> 00:16:03,904 I had no idea that was the guy who was killed. 369 00:16:04,996 --> 00:16:06,498 So, you don't read the paper? 370 00:16:06,565 --> 00:16:09,273 Look, if I would have known, I would have... 371 00:16:09,334 --> 00:16:13,510 Well, now you do know. So why don't you tell us what happened, Mr. Turner? 372 00:16:14,005 --> 00:16:16,543 Or we can put your ass in a line-up. 373 00:16:16,609 --> 00:16:18,145 Should I have a lawyer here? 374 00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:20,781 If you don't start telling us what happened, yeah. 375 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:26,191 I had a drink with Ray. Ray Burrows. 376 00:16:26,553 --> 00:16:27,998 Mr. Burrows works here, too? 377 00:16:28,055 --> 00:16:30,399 Used to. Not anymore. 378 00:16:30,457 --> 00:16:32,596 So you met him for a drink. Then what? 379 00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:33,729 I went home. 380 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,700 Mr. Turner, we know that you followed Mr. Reddick in a taxi. 381 00:16:38,166 --> 00:16:41,272 Then you know I'm telling the truth about going home. 382 00:16:41,336 --> 00:16:44,340 We think you know more about what happened than that. 383 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,344 Are you gonna tell us or am I gonna slap cuffs on you? 384 00:16:50,846 --> 00:16:52,621 We came out of the bar. 385 00:16:53,482 --> 00:16:55,223 Ray got a cab. 386 00:16:56,085 --> 00:16:57,792 This other guy walks up to it. 387 00:16:57,853 --> 00:16:58,992 BRISCOE: Thomas Reddick. 388 00:16:59,055 --> 00:17:01,057 The black guy who got killed. 389 00:17:01,124 --> 00:17:02,865 I didn't know his name. 390 00:17:04,261 --> 00:17:07,640 He starts to get in, Ray puts an arm on him, tells him that's our cab. 391 00:17:08,966 --> 00:17:10,707 It just escalated from there. 392 00:17:11,869 --> 00:17:13,143 Wait a minute. 393 00:17:13,204 --> 00:17:15,184 You're telling us that this whole thing 394 00:17:15,239 --> 00:17:17,082 was because of an argument over a taxi? 395 00:17:19,210 --> 00:17:20,451 Yeah. 396 00:17:23,482 --> 00:17:25,985 Great. Search warrant's in the building. 397 00:17:26,251 --> 00:17:28,629 Now, we're sure Turner's not gonna tip off his friend? 398 00:17:28,687 --> 00:17:30,759 Not from the jail cell we got him sitting in. 399 00:17:30,824 --> 00:17:32,997 We're holding him for a material witness order. 400 00:17:33,059 --> 00:17:34,970 Figure it's better to be safe than sorry 401 00:17:35,028 --> 00:17:36,336 till the warrant gets here. 402 00:17:36,396 --> 00:17:39,206 And this whole thing comes out of a dispute over a cab? 403 00:17:39,265 --> 00:17:40,836 BRISCOE: Looks that way. 404 00:17:40,901 --> 00:17:42,278 Here's the warrant, Lieutenant, 405 00:17:42,336 --> 00:17:44,009 signed, sealed and delivered. 406 00:17:44,071 --> 00:17:45,573 VAN BUREN: Thanks. 407 00:17:47,041 --> 00:17:48,850 Ain't this something? 408 00:17:48,909 --> 00:17:52,483 Black man finally gets a cab in this city and gets killed for it. 409 00:17:56,851 --> 00:17:58,091 BURROWS: This is way out of line. 410 00:17:58,153 --> 00:18:01,066 Most people would say killing a man for a taxi is way out of line. 411 00:18:01,122 --> 00:18:03,433 Yeah, most people don't know their ass from their elbow. 412 00:18:03,492 --> 00:18:05,597 You know your ass from your elbow, Detective? 413 00:18:05,661 --> 00:18:07,072 I know an ass when I see one. 414 00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:08,199 Well, I'll tell you what, Tonto, 415 00:18:08,264 --> 00:18:10,107 if that's all you've got, then get the hell out. 416 00:18:10,166 --> 00:18:11,611 I have a date tonight. 417 00:18:11,667 --> 00:18:13,978 Yeah, I bet you're a real pistol, too. 418 00:18:14,037 --> 00:18:15,209 Hey, Ed. ED: Yeah? 419 00:18:15,505 --> 00:18:17,314 Rounds for a 9mm. 420 00:18:17,374 --> 00:18:20,014 Oh, now you can show us where the gun is, Kemosabe. 421 00:18:20,344 --> 00:18:21,345 I don't have a gun. 422 00:18:21,411 --> 00:18:24,222 Oh, no? What do you do, throw the bullets? 423 00:18:24,282 --> 00:18:25,590 ED: Lennie. 424 00:18:30,221 --> 00:18:31,359 Take this. 425 00:18:34,193 --> 00:18:36,332 Put your hands behind your back. No, not for you. 426 00:18:36,395 --> 00:18:37,396 For him. 427 00:18:37,463 --> 00:18:39,409 You'll do whatever the hell I tell you to do. 428 00:18:39,465 --> 00:18:40,808 Now, turn around. 429 00:18:42,034 --> 00:18:43,172 (LAUGHS) 430 00:18:43,235 --> 00:18:44,578 I want to see my lawyer. 431 00:18:44,671 --> 00:18:46,548 Oh, sure. We'll just step outside 432 00:18:46,606 --> 00:18:48,882 and my partner here will flag you a cab. 433 00:18:48,942 --> 00:18:50,080 ED: Come on. 434 00:18:54,781 --> 00:18:58,924 Ballistics matched the gun as the weapon that killed Mr. Reddick. 435 00:18:58,986 --> 00:19:00,795 Burrows make any statements about the shooting? 436 00:19:00,855 --> 00:19:04,132 Never got a chance to. The guy lawyered up first thing. 437 00:19:04,191 --> 00:19:05,967 SERENA: He's got no prior criminal history. 438 00:19:06,028 --> 00:19:08,975 And we also haven't been able to establish any contact 439 00:19:09,031 --> 00:19:12,444 between him and Reddick prior to the argument over the cab. 440 00:19:12,701 --> 00:19:14,578 So what's the theory? He just snapped? 441 00:19:14,636 --> 00:19:17,174 According to Turner, they followed the victim's cab 442 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,914 for almost 20 minutes before the attack. 443 00:19:20,677 --> 00:19:23,487 Which should have been plenty of time to cool off. 444 00:19:24,514 --> 00:19:26,084 What the hell's his problem? 445 00:19:26,149 --> 00:19:28,756 We think he killed this man because he was black. 446 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:32,027 The guy went crazy when I tried to cuff him. 447 00:19:32,089 --> 00:19:33,193 SERENA: So it's a hate crime. 448 00:19:33,257 --> 00:19:35,737 VAN BUREN: Look, the man's walking around with a loaded 9mm, 449 00:19:35,793 --> 00:19:37,739 uses it without provocation. 450 00:19:37,963 --> 00:19:39,499 May not have been premeditated, 451 00:19:39,564 --> 00:19:42,272 but it sure seems pretty damned calculated. 452 00:19:45,837 --> 00:19:48,944 My client's been completely cooperative with this investigation. 453 00:19:49,008 --> 00:19:51,045 Which is the only reason he hasn't been indicted. 454 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:54,580 Indicted for what? Scott never even got out of that cab. 455 00:19:54,647 --> 00:19:56,456 Look, I told you what happened. 456 00:19:56,716 --> 00:19:59,357 But you haven't told us why it happened, Mr. Turner. 457 00:19:59,419 --> 00:20:02,730 Yeah, like why your friend Ray was walkin' around with a gun. 458 00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:03,824 I never saw a gun. 459 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:05,733 ED: Yeah, but you knew he had one. 460 00:20:05,792 --> 00:20:07,567 That's why you and Ray were so brave that night. 461 00:20:07,627 --> 00:20:10,939 SHIELDS: Look, I represent this man as a material witness. 462 00:20:10,999 --> 00:20:12,808 If he's becoming a target in this investigation, 463 00:20:12,867 --> 00:20:14,505 he has a right to know. 464 00:20:14,569 --> 00:20:16,105 You knew your friend. 465 00:20:16,170 --> 00:20:18,116 You heard him ask the driver to follow the victim. 466 00:20:18,172 --> 00:20:20,551 Don't pretend you had no idea what would happen. 467 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:25,656 What are you after? 468 00:20:26,448 --> 00:20:29,258 All statements made by Ray Burrows during the initial altercation 469 00:20:29,318 --> 00:20:31,492 with the victim and throughout the cab ride. 470 00:20:31,554 --> 00:20:33,693 In other words, we want to know if your buddy Ray 471 00:20:33,757 --> 00:20:35,134 called him a nigger. 472 00:20:40,363 --> 00:20:42,674 Turner says Burrows used repeated racial epithets 473 00:20:42,733 --> 00:20:45,179 during the argument and throughout the cab ride. 474 00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:47,574 What about at the scene? 475 00:20:47,638 --> 00:20:49,174 There's no eyewitness. 476 00:20:50,274 --> 00:20:53,688 Which means that his lawyer can argue that racist or not, 477 00:20:53,745 --> 00:20:55,622 this was just a crime of opportunity. 478 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,183 Not if we can show Burrows has been involved in other incidents. 479 00:20:58,250 --> 00:21:01,163 Turner mentioned another altercation with a black salesman at work. 480 00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:02,254 Talk to him. 481 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,598 Before we play the race card, I want to see the whole deck. 482 00:21:09,696 --> 00:21:12,609 I'm not surprised. Frankly, it was only a matter of time. 483 00:21:12,665 --> 00:21:14,976 What makes you say that? 484 00:21:15,035 --> 00:21:17,276 A few months ago, Burrows barged into my office 485 00:21:17,338 --> 00:21:19,818 and accused me of stealing a client. 486 00:21:19,873 --> 00:21:21,443 Why did he think that? 487 00:21:21,508 --> 00:21:23,181 The client was black. 488 00:21:23,243 --> 00:21:25,884 Apparently he thought Ray was condescending. 489 00:21:25,947 --> 00:21:27,824 So what happened? 490 00:21:27,882 --> 00:21:29,953 The manager reassigned the client to me, 491 00:21:30,018 --> 00:21:31,827 and when Burrows found out, he hit the roof. 492 00:21:31,886 --> 00:21:33,729 He started screaming that we were all out to get him. 493 00:21:33,788 --> 00:21:35,234 You know, black people. 494 00:21:35,891 --> 00:21:39,998 And he called me an affirmative action incompetent 495 00:21:40,096 --> 00:21:43,202 and few other things I'd rather not repeat. 496 00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:45,476 What did you do? 497 00:21:45,534 --> 00:21:49,483 I was about to smack him in his mouth only that's when I saw his gun. 498 00:21:50,574 --> 00:21:52,247 He had a gun? 499 00:21:52,309 --> 00:21:53,788 In his waistband. 500 00:21:53,844 --> 00:21:55,289 Pulled back his jacket so I could see it. 501 00:21:55,345 --> 00:21:56,415 What did you do? 502 00:21:56,481 --> 00:21:58,392 I backed the hell off. 503 00:21:58,449 --> 00:22:01,293 I mean, I thought he was going to shoot me. 504 00:22:01,352 --> 00:22:03,730 And then something caught his attention and he walked out. 505 00:22:04,055 --> 00:22:05,659 Did you report this to anyone? 506 00:22:05,723 --> 00:22:07,328 Told the boss. 507 00:22:07,392 --> 00:22:08,393 What was done? 508 00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:10,840 Burrows was fired. 509 00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:16,344 You know, it took me over a month before I could sleep again. 510 00:22:17,871 --> 00:22:19,544 I still think about it. 511 00:22:22,976 --> 00:22:25,889 The incident with the co-worker was not an isolated event. 512 00:22:25,945 --> 00:22:28,118 Pretty much everybody I spoke to said the same thing. 513 00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:31,527 Burrows goes out of his way to let people know how he feels. 514 00:22:32,086 --> 00:22:34,566 He even wrote a letter to his co-op board 515 00:22:34,622 --> 00:22:37,762 trying to get them to reject a couple buying an apartment in his building. 516 00:22:39,127 --> 00:22:42,301 Apparently Mr. Burrows has a problem with interracial couples. 517 00:22:43,031 --> 00:22:45,671 You'd at least think he'd try to be subtle. 518 00:22:46,902 --> 00:22:49,007 Call his lawyer. Set up a meeting. 519 00:22:49,738 --> 00:22:51,480 We're going with a hate crime. 520 00:22:52,575 --> 00:22:53,815 (SIGHS) 521 00:22:55,811 --> 00:22:58,314 He deserves all the time we can give him. 522 00:23:00,984 --> 00:23:02,190 ARCHER: You can't be serious. 523 00:23:02,486 --> 00:23:04,523 That's five years on top of the murder charge. 524 00:23:04,588 --> 00:23:07,762 Your client hunted down a total stranger, killed him in cold blood. 525 00:23:07,824 --> 00:23:09,360 Offer's 20-to-life. 526 00:23:09,426 --> 00:23:12,704 It was rage reaction to a dispute over a taxi. 527 00:23:13,431 --> 00:23:16,605 He followed this man through traffic for over 20 minutes. 528 00:23:16,668 --> 00:23:19,308 Engaged in conversation, paid the driver. 529 00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:22,875 There's more than sufficient attenuation to preclude any rage defense. 530 00:23:22,942 --> 00:23:24,717 He's got no criminal record. 531 00:23:25,077 --> 00:23:27,853 Well, then, he hit the jackpot the first time out. 532 00:23:28,647 --> 00:23:30,593 At least let's take the hate crime off the table. 533 00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:33,290 Mr. Burrows put it on the table in the first place. 534 00:23:33,353 --> 00:23:34,525 In writing. 535 00:23:36,823 --> 00:23:39,269 Which leaves me no choice but to do the same. 536 00:23:39,326 --> 00:23:41,670 You'll have my motion by the end of the day. 537 00:23:46,467 --> 00:23:49,676 Not only can't they link this co-op board letter to the homicide, 538 00:23:49,737 --> 00:23:51,341 but they can't establish that the crime 539 00:23:51,405 --> 00:23:52,975 had anything to do with race at all. 540 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,180 We can show a history of racist attitudes 541 00:23:55,244 --> 00:23:57,190 and the statements he made in the cab. 542 00:23:57,245 --> 00:24:00,226 Your Honor, this letter would be so inflammatory. It would be so prejudicial. 543 00:24:00,282 --> 00:24:01,420 That's exactly the point. 544 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:03,224 The hate crime statute requires us to prove 545 00:24:03,285 --> 00:24:05,766 that the victim was targeted because of his race. 546 00:24:06,389 --> 00:24:10,804 This letter provides a jury with a context to evaluate the defendant's motive. 547 00:24:12,028 --> 00:24:13,371 Let it in. 548 00:24:13,429 --> 00:24:15,341 Ray. No, I'm tired of all of this. 549 00:24:15,399 --> 00:24:17,379 Tired of hiding. I did the right thing. 550 00:24:18,002 --> 00:24:20,004 Your Honor, please, I'd like to call for an immediate adjournment. 551 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:21,344 I don't want an adjournment. 552 00:24:21,405 --> 00:24:24,648 What I want is for a jury to hear why I shot the bastard. 553 00:24:24,708 --> 00:24:26,814 Judge, I object to this entire proceeding. 554 00:24:26,878 --> 00:24:28,687 It's your own motion, Mr. Archer. 555 00:24:29,481 --> 00:24:31,427 BURROWS: Let 'em see that letter, Judge. 556 00:24:31,483 --> 00:24:34,259 Let a jury hear the truth for once. 557 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:35,821 Once a jury of my peers does, 558 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,596 they'll see that we're the ones on the endangered species list. 559 00:24:39,659 --> 00:24:42,196 Obviously I have to consult with my client. 560 00:24:42,261 --> 00:24:44,901 JUDGE: Talk to him about anything you want, Counselor. 561 00:24:44,964 --> 00:24:46,341 I've heard enough. 562 00:24:47,501 --> 00:24:50,573 The defendant's letter to the co-op board comes in. 563 00:24:51,538 --> 00:24:55,987 The defendant's history of his racist attitudes comes in. 564 00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:59,583 But what I will not do is allow the People 565 00:24:59,647 --> 00:25:03,151 to use what your client just said right here. 566 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:08,900 You're sure this wasn't some sort of stunt his lawyer pulled? 567 00:25:08,958 --> 00:25:11,564 Archer did everything but stuff a sock in his mouth. 568 00:25:11,627 --> 00:25:14,198 Well, maybe he should have. He just walked into a five-year enhancement 569 00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:16,743 of the murder charge. What is he, nuts? 570 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,506 You may not be far off. 571 00:25:18,567 --> 00:25:22,141 Archer just filed notice of his intent to offer psychiatric evidence. 572 00:25:22,739 --> 00:25:24,218 An insanity defense. 573 00:25:24,541 --> 00:25:26,316 Based on what? Racism. 574 00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:30,725 He claims Burrows' hatred of blacks rises to some sort of paranoid delusion. 575 00:25:31,449 --> 00:25:33,986 The only delusion here is Archer's. 576 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,830 I have a duty to defend my client any way I see fit. 577 00:25:38,889 --> 00:25:40,027 Within the bounds of law. 578 00:25:40,091 --> 00:25:42,971 Racism has never been legally recognized as a mental defect. 579 00:25:43,795 --> 00:25:47,800 I now have an expert witness, Your Honor, and he's willing to testify. 580 00:25:47,866 --> 00:25:49,743 Some rent-a-doc, Mr. Archer? 581 00:25:49,868 --> 00:25:52,315 No, a psychiatrist from the Yale Medical School 582 00:25:52,772 --> 00:25:54,342 and an African-American. 583 00:25:54,407 --> 00:25:57,320 JUDGE: And he will testify to exactly what, Mr. Archer? 584 00:25:57,376 --> 00:26:01,883 That extreme racism is a form of mental illness that should be recognized 585 00:26:01,949 --> 00:26:05,021 by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. 586 00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:06,860 Meaning that it isn't. 587 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,892 I'm not going to have my court turned upside down with speculation, Counselor. 588 00:26:11,959 --> 00:26:15,601 A Massachusetts court has already accepted the theory 589 00:26:15,663 --> 00:26:19,042 that racially paranoid beliefs constitute a mental defect. 590 00:26:20,135 --> 00:26:23,015 Look, all I am asking is for a chance to present my case. 591 00:26:23,072 --> 00:26:25,678 What he's asking for is a free pass. 592 00:26:25,741 --> 00:26:29,689 He does have the right to use any defense cognizable at law. 593 00:26:29,745 --> 00:26:32,692 And like it or not, this one is. 594 00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:40,461 No jury in New York's going to buy an insanity defense from an admitted racist. 595 00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:42,594 It gets a little easier when judges let experts 596 00:26:42,659 --> 00:26:44,537 testify he's delusional. 597 00:26:44,595 --> 00:26:46,131 Try selling it to a black juror. 598 00:26:46,197 --> 00:26:48,768 Only takes one to hang a jury, Jack. 599 00:26:48,833 --> 00:26:51,245 Have you taken a look at their expert's CV? 600 00:26:51,302 --> 00:26:52,975 I mean, this psychiatrist is no quack. 601 00:26:53,638 --> 00:26:56,518 If he believes what's in his own report, he's not far off. 602 00:26:57,075 --> 00:27:00,056 Why? Because psychiatry doesn't agree with him? 603 00:27:00,546 --> 00:27:02,184 You know, at one time or another 604 00:27:02,247 --> 00:27:04,454 there was no precedent for most of the mental disorders 605 00:27:04,516 --> 00:27:05,894 we now allow in court. 606 00:27:05,952 --> 00:27:08,159 JACK: And I've spent more than 20 years in this office 607 00:27:08,221 --> 00:27:10,428 making sure there are less of them, not more. 608 00:27:11,458 --> 00:27:13,802 The last time, it was a black defendant 609 00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:16,705 trying to justify a murder on black rage. 610 00:27:16,764 --> 00:27:18,675 I'd no more accept that nonsense than this. 611 00:27:19,533 --> 00:27:23,037 Yeah, the irony is though if there's any truth to this theory, 612 00:27:23,838 --> 00:27:28,151 and if we'd been treating racism as a mental illness all along, 613 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:30,747 maybe we wouldn't have a Ray Burrows. 614 00:27:31,046 --> 00:27:32,787 Or there'd be more of them. 615 00:27:33,882 --> 00:27:35,225 The only way to prevent that 616 00:27:35,283 --> 00:27:37,354 is to hold people responsible for their actions. 617 00:27:45,228 --> 00:27:47,708 You know what I read that crystallized it for me? 618 00:27:47,764 --> 00:27:49,802 Why don't you tell me? 619 00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:53,212 An account by a guy who went around shooting MRCs. 620 00:27:54,404 --> 00:27:55,747 MRCs? 621 00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:58,451 Mixed racial couples. 622 00:28:01,246 --> 00:28:05,285 See the key is, he always had to shoot the black guy first 623 00:28:05,617 --> 00:28:08,097 if he was going to shoot them both. 624 00:28:08,153 --> 00:28:10,134 Why is that, Ray? 625 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:12,032 Because if he shot the white woman first, 626 00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:14,264 then the black man would just run away. 627 00:28:14,627 --> 00:28:19,667 But if he shot him first, then the white woman would stay to help. 628 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:22,907 Then the shooter could get them both. 629 00:28:24,971 --> 00:28:27,679 The point is you believe black men are cowards. 630 00:28:27,741 --> 00:28:31,417 Well, the empirical evidence seems to bear that out, wouldn't you say? 631 00:28:31,479 --> 00:28:34,153 I'm more interested in what you have to say. 632 00:28:34,215 --> 00:28:36,217 You're aware your lawyer's claiming you're delusional 633 00:28:36,284 --> 00:28:37,957 because you hold just these kinds of views? 634 00:28:38,019 --> 00:28:39,191 (MUTTERS) 635 00:28:39,253 --> 00:28:41,460 Well, I'm not delusional. Anyone who doesn't see 636 00:28:41,522 --> 00:28:44,333 that this country's being taken away from guys like you and me 637 00:28:44,393 --> 00:28:46,168 is the one who's delusional. 638 00:28:47,429 --> 00:28:50,433 You think minorities are out to get you, Mr. Burrows? 639 00:28:51,333 --> 00:28:53,507 We both know that they are. 640 00:28:55,471 --> 00:28:57,917 Don't tell me that if you were about to get on an airplane 641 00:28:57,974 --> 00:29:00,580 and there was an Arab in line that you wouldn't check him out 642 00:29:00,643 --> 00:29:02,920 just a little bit harder? 643 00:29:04,782 --> 00:29:06,762 Is that delusion, Doc? 644 00:29:10,688 --> 00:29:12,565 What's your impression of him? 645 00:29:12,623 --> 00:29:15,161 In my opinion, Ray Burrows is one scary dude. 646 00:29:15,226 --> 00:29:18,036 But he fully appreciated the nature of his actions. 647 00:29:18,096 --> 00:29:19,666 You're basing this on what? 648 00:29:19,731 --> 00:29:22,644 The fact that racism is not a mental illness. 649 00:29:22,701 --> 00:29:24,409 Yale shrink or no Yale shrink. 650 00:29:24,504 --> 00:29:26,108 No matter how severe his delusions are 651 00:29:26,172 --> 00:29:28,277 that black people pose a threat to him? 652 00:29:28,341 --> 00:29:30,321 Mr. Burrows could use a course in anger management, 653 00:29:30,376 --> 00:29:32,754 but he definitely knew what he'd done was wrong. 654 00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:36,488 Believe me, nobody tries that hard to convince me they're right otherwise. 655 00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:42,467 So what did Skoda have to say? 656 00:29:42,522 --> 00:29:43,933 What we expected. 657 00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:46,203 Do you agree with him? 658 00:29:46,261 --> 00:29:47,740 I'm just second chair. 659 00:29:47,795 --> 00:29:49,672 Oh, you don't have an opinion? 660 00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:57,114 An opinion about whether a racist should escape responsibility for murder? 661 00:30:01,043 --> 00:30:03,284 (CLEARS THROAT) You mean you want the truth? 662 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,718 I've been with Jack for about six months, 663 00:30:06,782 --> 00:30:11,061 and all I ever hear are people making excuses about killing other people. 664 00:30:12,222 --> 00:30:13,758 We have to hold them accountable. 665 00:30:14,658 --> 00:30:16,865 So you'd just dismiss treatment options? 666 00:30:16,927 --> 00:30:20,034 You make it sound like there are treatment options for racists. 667 00:30:20,331 --> 00:30:21,639 There aren't. 668 00:30:21,699 --> 00:30:23,804 No. There may never be. 669 00:30:24,635 --> 00:30:26,546 But still, you know, you can't let fear 670 00:30:26,604 --> 00:30:28,744 dictate your decisions about criminal justice. 671 00:30:29,041 --> 00:30:32,045 Everyone's afraid, Nora. I'm afraid. 672 00:30:33,378 --> 00:30:35,688 And it just seems like after what happened with the Towers, 673 00:30:35,747 --> 00:30:39,855 the last thing we want to do is give people a blank check to act on their hatred. 674 00:30:42,255 --> 00:30:44,292 That's interesting. 675 00:30:48,361 --> 00:30:52,333 Doctor, is it your opinion that at the time of the crime 676 00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:55,005 my client suffered from a mental disease 677 00:30:55,102 --> 00:30:58,174 which precluded his capacity to appreciate right from wrong? 678 00:30:58,439 --> 00:30:59,440 Yes, it is. 679 00:30:59,506 --> 00:31:00,781 And what was that mental defect? 680 00:31:00,842 --> 00:31:01,877 Racism. 681 00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:03,320 That is an extreme belief 682 00:31:03,378 --> 00:31:06,416 that a racial group poses a threat, unsupported by reality. 683 00:31:06,481 --> 00:31:09,621 Hmm. So what about Ray Burrows? 684 00:31:09,684 --> 00:31:12,757 I believe his racist attitudes so interfered with his behavior 685 00:31:12,822 --> 00:31:14,096 that he thought that killing Mr. Reddick 686 00:31:14,156 --> 00:31:17,035 was not only not wrong, it actually was justified. 687 00:31:17,093 --> 00:31:19,630 You're not saying we shouldn't hold him accountable? 688 00:31:19,695 --> 00:31:21,767 I'm saying he's in need of psychiatric help. 689 00:31:22,132 --> 00:31:23,975 If we want to do anything about prevention, 690 00:31:24,034 --> 00:31:26,776 we must consider racism as a form of mental disorder. 691 00:31:27,504 --> 00:31:29,006 Thank you, Doctor. 692 00:31:33,744 --> 00:31:35,849 What about blacks killing whites? 693 00:31:35,913 --> 00:31:37,790 It doesn't matter who kills whom. 694 00:31:37,849 --> 00:31:41,092 Not as long as the individual suffers from racist delusions. 695 00:31:41,152 --> 00:31:43,429 You're not suggesting that African-Americans 696 00:31:43,489 --> 00:31:45,526 haven't been discriminated against in this country? 697 00:31:45,591 --> 00:31:46,934 Of course not. 698 00:31:46,992 --> 00:31:50,235 Meaning that you wouldn't consider those perceptions delusional. 699 00:31:51,096 --> 00:31:52,734 Perhaps not. 700 00:31:52,798 --> 00:31:54,039 So whites would be the only ones 701 00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,410 who could benefit from this diagnosis. 702 00:31:57,670 --> 00:32:01,880 You also maintain the defendant believes that what he did was right. 703 00:32:01,941 --> 00:32:03,147 Yes. 704 00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:06,683 How is it then that he concealed his crime from the police? 705 00:32:06,747 --> 00:32:09,853 Society doesn't encourage people to admit being racist. 706 00:32:09,917 --> 00:32:12,227 If fact, we ostracize them when they do. 707 00:32:12,286 --> 00:32:15,962 We did the same thing to people suffering from cancer in the '50s, 708 00:32:16,024 --> 00:32:17,662 AIDS in the '80s. 709 00:32:17,726 --> 00:32:20,468 You'd compare a racist to a cancer patient? 710 00:32:20,529 --> 00:32:23,408 Only in the way society considers them. 711 00:32:23,465 --> 00:32:26,879 Consider that Mr. Burrows wrote a racist letter to his co-op board. 712 00:32:26,936 --> 00:32:28,472 Nobody said anything to him. 713 00:32:28,538 --> 00:32:30,279 Now, had he said he was suffering from depression, 714 00:32:30,339 --> 00:32:33,252 they may very well have recommended psychological treatment. 715 00:32:33,309 --> 00:32:35,983 Only there is no treatment for the racist. 716 00:32:36,045 --> 00:32:38,993 Because your view has been specifically rejected 717 00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:41,529 by the American Psychiatric Association. 718 00:32:41,585 --> 00:32:43,064 Unfortunately, yes. 719 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,263 In fact, racism isn't mentioned anywhere in the DSM-IV, 720 00:32:47,325 --> 00:32:48,668 is it, Doctor? 721 00:32:48,726 --> 00:32:50,569 Until 1974, 722 00:32:50,628 --> 00:32:53,837 being gay was considered a mental disorder in this very book. 723 00:32:53,898 --> 00:32:58,473 Until a consensus was formed among psychiatrists that its inclusion was wrong. 724 00:32:59,705 --> 00:33:02,982 But there's no consensus for what you're proposing, is there, Doctor? 725 00:33:03,042 --> 00:33:04,885 Not at this time, no. 726 00:33:04,944 --> 00:33:08,791 A great many people think negative thoughts about other people, 727 00:33:09,249 --> 00:33:11,695 but they don't break the law because of them. 728 00:33:11,751 --> 00:33:15,028 But when racist thoughts are coupled with threats of violence, 729 00:33:15,088 --> 00:33:17,898 that moves into the territory of mental illness. 730 00:33:17,958 --> 00:33:20,337 So it's outcome determinative. 731 00:33:20,394 --> 00:33:22,772 The racist's views become delusional 732 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:25,401 only when they escalate into an act of violence. 733 00:33:25,833 --> 00:33:29,805 When the racist's mental processes interfere with normal functioning. 734 00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:34,211 Without regard to whether Mr. Burrows 735 00:33:34,443 --> 00:33:38,949 was actually able to appreciate the nature of his actions or not. 736 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:45,966 It's a theory in search of a patient. 737 00:33:47,757 --> 00:33:50,967 I know firsthand what it is to experience prejudice, Mr. McCoy. 738 00:33:51,996 --> 00:33:55,205 But if we continue to deny racism as a form of mental illness 739 00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,574 and attack it solely on cultural grounds, 740 00:33:57,635 --> 00:34:00,013 we lose any chance to treat it. 741 00:34:00,804 --> 00:34:02,250 No, sir. 742 00:34:02,307 --> 00:34:05,948 By creating an excuse, we lose any chance to punish it. 743 00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:17,125 In my opinion, at the time of the crime, 744 00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:20,865 Ray Burrows was oriented to reality and able to control his actions. 745 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,534 So you disagree with Dr. Bernard's theory 746 00:34:23,597 --> 00:34:26,601 that racism qualifies as a delusional disorder. 747 00:34:26,667 --> 00:34:29,477 It's pretty much the entire psychiatric community. 748 00:34:30,504 --> 00:34:32,484 I mean, if we're going to say everyone who espouses 749 00:34:32,539 --> 00:34:34,747 bigoted beliefs has a mental illness, 750 00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:38,454 we stretch the term mental illness beyond any usefulness. 751 00:34:38,513 --> 00:34:41,289 What about his assertion that racism can be treated? 752 00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:42,760 How? Through talk therapy? 753 00:34:42,817 --> 00:34:45,662 I doubt that's likely to be very effective. 754 00:34:46,088 --> 00:34:48,830 Racism simply is not a matter of individual pathology. 755 00:34:48,891 --> 00:34:51,872 That's why it's not included in the DSM-IV. 756 00:34:53,195 --> 00:34:54,469 Nothing further. 757 00:34:56,266 --> 00:35:00,180 So, exactly what research was done 758 00:35:00,237 --> 00:35:02,945 prior to removing homosexuality from the DSM-IV? 759 00:35:03,206 --> 00:35:04,810 A consensus was reached 760 00:35:04,874 --> 00:35:08,118 that homosexuality didn't meet the criteria for a mental disease. 761 00:35:08,179 --> 00:35:12,025 Well, the fact is, it was a social policy decision, wasn't it, Doctor? 762 00:35:12,083 --> 00:35:14,996 The decision wasn't based on any research at all. 763 00:35:15,853 --> 00:35:19,267 Now, what about racism? What's the research being done there? 764 00:35:19,324 --> 00:35:21,395 I'm not aware of any research being done. 765 00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:24,407 Again, because the psychiatric community 766 00:35:24,463 --> 00:35:27,172 continually rejects proposals to study the issue. 767 00:35:28,201 --> 00:35:31,876 Which means that any lack of inclusion of racism 768 00:35:31,938 --> 00:35:34,418 as a mental illness in this book, 769 00:35:34,707 --> 00:35:36,744 has very little to do with science 770 00:35:36,809 --> 00:35:39,848 and almost everything to do with politics. 771 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:48,662 They say I'm sick. I don't know. 772 00:35:48,723 --> 00:35:51,260 All I can tell you is that I feel pretty good about what I did. 773 00:35:51,493 --> 00:35:54,736 About killing Mr. Reddick? That's right. 774 00:35:54,796 --> 00:35:57,902 Social courtesies mean nothing to these people. 775 00:35:57,966 --> 00:35:59,537 I mean, you ever try to see a movie 776 00:35:59,602 --> 00:36:01,104 with black people in the audience? 777 00:36:01,170 --> 00:36:02,774 You can't hear a thing. 778 00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:06,986 I mean, the sign's up there, "Please, no talking." 779 00:36:07,043 --> 00:36:08,818 But do they listen? 780 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,450 When this guy jumped in front of me like that, 781 00:36:11,515 --> 00:36:14,155 like he thought he was better than me, that was it. 782 00:36:15,085 --> 00:36:16,530 The line was drawn. 783 00:36:17,187 --> 00:36:19,133 So what was going through your mind? 784 00:36:19,189 --> 00:36:21,534 Here he was, going wherever he wanted, 785 00:36:22,093 --> 00:36:24,300 doing whatever he wanted and me... 786 00:36:25,797 --> 00:36:28,573 I mean, they can decide they don't want to work with me, 787 00:36:28,633 --> 00:36:31,478 but I can't say I don't want to live with them? 788 00:36:32,671 --> 00:36:35,777 I lost my job because of these people. 789 00:36:35,841 --> 00:36:37,980 The bank is foreclosing on my home. 790 00:36:38,043 --> 00:36:40,546 I was not about to lose that cab. 791 00:36:49,222 --> 00:36:53,467 You feel justified taking Mr. Reddick's life because he took your cab? 792 00:36:53,527 --> 00:36:54,904 That's right. 793 00:36:58,499 --> 00:37:00,570 Then why didn't you tell your friend what you'd done? 794 00:37:01,035 --> 00:37:03,016 Why didn't you tell the police? 795 00:37:03,071 --> 00:37:04,516 They never asked. 796 00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:06,211 Because you requested a lawyer. 797 00:37:07,409 --> 00:37:09,320 Because from the very start, 798 00:37:09,378 --> 00:37:12,222 you were looking for a way out, weren't you, Mr. Burrows? 799 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,693 Because you didn't want to pay for what you'd done. 800 00:37:14,751 --> 00:37:16,059 Not true. 801 00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:21,493 But you made Mr. Reddick pay. Pay with his life. 802 00:37:23,927 --> 00:37:27,033 And then you dragged his body down those steps 803 00:37:27,097 --> 00:37:28,599 to hide your crime. 804 00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:30,507 I dragged his body down there 805 00:37:30,567 --> 00:37:33,241 because that's where the rest of the garbage was. 806 00:37:37,275 --> 00:37:40,620 Not all the garbage, Mr. Burrows, not all the garbage. 807 00:37:40,678 --> 00:37:42,555 ARCHER: Objection. JUDGE: Sustained. 808 00:37:52,525 --> 00:37:55,301 Do you think that African-Americans pose a threat? 809 00:37:56,229 --> 00:37:57,936 I know they do. 810 00:37:57,998 --> 00:38:00,638 But you've come into contact with other black people 811 00:38:00,701 --> 00:38:02,078 before Mr. Reddick. 812 00:38:02,135 --> 00:38:03,614 You never killed them. 813 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:10,048 What about this juror? 814 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,422 She's been here for the entire trial, 815 00:38:15,483 --> 00:38:18,192 and yet you don't seem to have had a problem. 816 00:38:18,253 --> 00:38:20,324 That's a very sensible attitude 817 00:38:20,389 --> 00:38:23,802 for a man in your position to take, isn't it, Mr. Burrows? 818 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,741 Because she's helping to decide your fate. 819 00:38:31,101 --> 00:38:33,081 So are you insane, Mr. Burrows? 820 00:38:34,838 --> 00:38:38,183 Or are you just a man who knows how to keep his mouth shut 821 00:38:38,241 --> 00:38:40,745 when he's supposed to and how to lose his mind 822 00:38:40,811 --> 00:38:42,848 when his lawyer tells him to? 823 00:38:53,492 --> 00:38:57,440 Is there anyone here who heard what Ray Burrows said in this courtroom 824 00:38:57,496 --> 00:39:00,273 who doesn't believe that he is sick? 825 00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:03,246 Who doesn't find his hatred of other human beings, 826 00:39:03,569 --> 00:39:08,075 solely based on the color of their skin, so twisted, 827 00:39:08,741 --> 00:39:12,189 so abnormal that you wouldn't be able to find mental illness? 828 00:39:12,813 --> 00:39:16,317 My client belongs in a psychiatric institution, not a prison. 829 00:39:16,583 --> 00:39:18,324 You know that, you know that. 830 00:39:18,952 --> 00:39:20,863 And yet, in a few moments, 831 00:39:20,921 --> 00:39:23,903 the D.A. is going to ask you to forget what you know. 832 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:25,903 Because as a prosecutor, 833 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,373 he is more interested in punishing Ray Burrows 834 00:39:29,631 --> 00:39:32,670 than he is in preventing more people from becoming like him. 835 00:39:33,702 --> 00:39:35,181 Spare the rod, spoil the racist. 836 00:39:35,237 --> 00:39:37,114 That's how his argument goes. 837 00:39:37,172 --> 00:39:39,948 But unless we recognize racism 838 00:39:40,009 --> 00:39:42,957 as the delusional mental disorder that it is, 839 00:39:43,313 --> 00:39:46,726 people like my client, they're not going to get the treatment they need. 840 00:39:46,783 --> 00:39:50,595 Which in the final analysis is what this case boils down to. 841 00:39:50,987 --> 00:39:52,432 Whether as a society, 842 00:39:53,023 --> 00:39:55,504 we stand a better chance of preventing racism 843 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,700 by punishing someone who commits a racist act 844 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,014 or treating them before they can. 845 00:40:17,884 --> 00:40:19,158 I'm sorry. 846 00:40:19,218 --> 00:40:22,665 This defense would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous. 847 00:40:24,057 --> 00:40:26,334 We live in a world where people commit 848 00:40:26,393 --> 00:40:29,897 unspeakable violent acts against other people. 849 00:40:31,098 --> 00:40:36,139 Terrorists, racists, anyone who kills out of hate. 850 00:40:38,406 --> 00:40:40,579 Do we hold them accountable, 851 00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:44,923 or do we excuse their acts and sit them down for a chat 852 00:40:45,447 --> 00:40:47,758 to tell them that it's wrong? 853 00:40:48,618 --> 00:40:51,622 In the world the defense would create, 854 00:40:51,687 --> 00:40:54,600 murderers would never be held responsible. 855 00:40:55,124 --> 00:40:58,402 In that world, right and wrong would lose all meaning. 856 00:40:59,229 --> 00:41:00,765 Killers would become victims. 857 00:41:01,832 --> 00:41:05,245 The only one who would benefit from the defendant 858 00:41:05,302 --> 00:41:08,682 being found mentally ill is the defendant. 859 00:41:10,274 --> 00:41:12,220 Not society. 860 00:41:12,276 --> 00:41:13,983 Certainly not the victim. 861 00:41:16,948 --> 00:41:20,158 Not Thomas Reddick or his family, 862 00:41:21,787 --> 00:41:24,267 or anyone else with his skin color. 863 00:41:25,491 --> 00:41:30,032 To excuse Ray Burrows because of his prejudice 864 00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:32,100 only promotes racism. 865 00:41:34,534 --> 00:41:36,912 What happened to Thomas Reddick 866 00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:39,143 is a crime of hate. 867 00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:46,822 To call it anything else is to deny justice. 868 00:41:59,161 --> 00:42:00,799 Madame Foreman, 869 00:42:01,631 --> 00:42:03,235 has the jury reached its verdict? 870 00:42:03,666 --> 00:42:04,974 We have, Your Honor. 871 00:42:05,034 --> 00:42:06,877 Will the defendant please rise? 872 00:42:10,873 --> 00:42:12,444 What is your verdict? 873 00:42:12,509 --> 00:42:16,047 On the charge of Murder in the Second Degree as a Hate Crime, 874 00:42:16,113 --> 00:42:17,854 we find the defendant guilty. 875 00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:34,638 I wonder if Burrows will still have a problem with minorities 876 00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:36,737 once he gets to prison and finds out he is one. 877 00:42:36,802 --> 00:42:38,008 Check back with him in 40 years. 878 00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:40,710 By then, he might be ready for an insanity defense. 879 00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:42,912 To kill out of hate, then be exempt from punishment, 880 00:42:42,975 --> 00:42:44,751 that'd be the real insanity.