1 00:00:01,135 --> 00:00:02,842 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:02,903 --> 00:00:06,851 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:06,907 --> 00:00:08,750 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,809 --> 00:00:11,585 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,645 --> 00:00:12,885 These are their stories. 6 00:00:17,650 --> 00:00:22,292 Unbelievable. That moron in 6B still doesn't recycle. 7 00:00:22,355 --> 00:00:24,028 The building could get a citation. 8 00:00:24,090 --> 00:00:26,434 I should drop these on his doorstep. What do you think? 9 00:00:26,492 --> 00:00:28,028 Don't be such a stone-crusher, Frank. 10 00:00:28,094 --> 00:00:29,539 He's just having a rough time, is all. 11 00:00:29,596 --> 00:00:31,405 What are you talking about? How do you know? 12 00:00:31,464 --> 00:00:33,808 Help-wanted section. Circled ads. 13 00:00:33,866 --> 00:00:38,042 Come on, look. He's got kids to support, huh? 14 00:00:38,104 --> 00:00:39,741 So, cut the guy a little slack, all right? 15 00:00:39,805 --> 00:00:41,478 You're always so quick to Judge people. 16 00:00:41,540 --> 00:00:44,282 Yeah, well, if he is not responsible enough to recycle, 17 00:00:44,343 --> 00:00:47,290 it's probably why he lost his job in the first place. 18 00:00:48,013 --> 00:00:50,516 Miguel, give me your cell phone. 19 00:00:50,582 --> 00:00:52,425 Frank, you're not gonna call him now, are you? 20 00:00:52,484 --> 00:00:54,589 No, no, we got a real problem here. 21 00:00:59,191 --> 00:01:01,171 I didn't know we were selling tickets to this one. 22 00:01:01,226 --> 00:01:03,866 They all live on the block, Detective, they just wanna know what's going on. 23 00:01:03,929 --> 00:01:05,067 Yeah, well, unless they're witnesses, 24 00:01:05,130 --> 00:01:06,733 they're gonna have to read about it in the paper tomorrow. 25 00:01:06,797 --> 00:01:09,175 All right, you got it. All right everybody, let's go. 26 00:01:09,233 --> 00:01:10,644 I'm sorry, you gotta move it back. 27 00:01:10,701 --> 00:01:12,305 What's the flavor this morning? 28 00:01:12,370 --> 00:01:15,112 Stabbing. Couple of maintenance men over there found her under 29 00:01:15,172 --> 00:01:16,480 a pile of trash bags. 30 00:01:16,540 --> 00:01:17,985 She been out here all night? 31 00:01:18,042 --> 00:01:20,818 Body temp's ice cold. Looks like multiple wounds. 32 00:01:20,878 --> 00:01:22,118 Did you get an ID? 33 00:01:22,179 --> 00:01:23,590 Haven't found a purse or a wallet yet. 34 00:01:23,648 --> 00:01:27,425 Wait a minute. Movie tickets. From the Trudeau. 35 00:01:27,518 --> 00:01:29,691 The art house? That's a couple of blocks from here. 36 00:01:29,754 --> 00:01:31,165 8:00 p.m. show last night. 37 00:01:31,222 --> 00:01:35,033 All right. So, she got out around 10:00, 10:30, she's on her way home... 38 00:01:35,091 --> 00:01:38,004 Runs into the wrong guy... Show's over. 39 00:02:29,711 --> 00:02:31,315 This woman's really dead, huh? 40 00:02:31,379 --> 00:02:33,222 Well, it ain't a bad hair day. 41 00:02:33,281 --> 00:02:37,752 I sell, like, 200 tickets a night. That's pretty hard, just to remember one person. 42 00:02:37,819 --> 00:02:39,890 Okay, what if this woman bought them with a credit card? 43 00:02:39,954 --> 00:02:41,365 Do you have a stub? Uh-huh. 44 00:02:42,256 --> 00:02:44,497 Yeah, actually, these were bought through Moviefone. 45 00:02:44,559 --> 00:02:46,436 It'll just take a minute. 46 00:02:46,494 --> 00:02:47,632 If you know the name of the person 47 00:02:47,695 --> 00:02:49,572 you'd like to ID, press one. 48 00:02:51,131 --> 00:02:54,408 This is the one she saw. Yeah, Les Artistes d'Amour. 49 00:02:54,468 --> 00:02:57,779 The painter shows why passion is the highest form of art. 50 00:02:57,838 --> 00:02:59,215 Sound like a date movie. 51 00:02:59,272 --> 00:03:01,081 Sounds like I'm home watching the Knicks game. 52 00:03:01,274 --> 00:03:03,880 Well... Two tickets. She had to go with somebody. 53 00:03:04,177 --> 00:03:05,349 Here you go. 54 00:03:05,846 --> 00:03:08,224 The person's name on the credit card is Tracy Conley. 55 00:03:08,281 --> 00:03:09,521 Hey, can I keep this? 56 00:03:09,583 --> 00:03:12,496 Uh, would you just spell the name for us, please? 57 00:03:14,221 --> 00:03:16,666 PATRICIA: Tracy was supposed to come by for dinner tonight. 58 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:20,133 Her message is still on the machine. 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,464 It was so rare that we actually got a chance to see our daughter these days. 60 00:03:25,197 --> 00:03:26,232 Why is that? 61 00:03:26,298 --> 00:03:28,869 Tracy just finished her PhD in psychology. 62 00:03:28,934 --> 00:03:30,675 She was always working so hard. 63 00:03:31,137 --> 00:03:34,209 Yeah, we saw the diploma in her apartment. Columbia? 64 00:03:36,375 --> 00:03:38,514 She followed in her father's footsteps. 65 00:03:38,577 --> 00:03:39,715 You're a psychologist? 66 00:03:39,779 --> 00:03:42,725 I mostly teach. I don't have a practice anymore. 67 00:03:43,047 --> 00:03:46,290 (SOBS) Her whole life, she just wanted to help people. 68 00:03:47,385 --> 00:03:49,865 How God could take away somebody like that. 69 00:03:50,855 --> 00:03:54,769 We're very sorry, ma'am. I know how hard it is to lose a daughter. 70 00:03:55,827 --> 00:03:57,602 Who did this to her? 71 00:03:57,662 --> 00:03:58,868 ED: Right now, we don't know. 72 00:03:58,930 --> 00:04:02,400 But we think she may have gone to the movies with someone prior to the attack. 73 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:03,971 Who? 74 00:04:04,035 --> 00:04:07,710 We don't know that either. Right now, we're hoping to find this person 75 00:04:07,772 --> 00:04:09,409 and that he or she may be able 76 00:04:09,473 --> 00:04:11,384 to provide us information about what happened. 77 00:04:12,109 --> 00:04:15,682 Are there any names that pop into your head? Maybe a boyfriend? 78 00:04:15,746 --> 00:04:18,852 Tracy never really shared much about her personal life. 79 00:04:22,619 --> 00:04:24,428 She was 34, 80 00:04:26,123 --> 00:04:28,467 and we wanted to see her get married and have kids. 81 00:04:29,693 --> 00:04:31,764 I think she just got tired of us asking. 82 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:36,005 Was there anybody that you might have asked about recently? 83 00:04:36,933 --> 00:04:41,382 Last time she said something about someone who coached basketball. 84 00:04:42,104 --> 00:04:43,674 At a high school, I think. 85 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:48,654 But I don't think it was very serious. 86 00:04:55,251 --> 00:04:56,662 (WHISTLE BLOWING) 87 00:04:59,789 --> 00:05:01,734 Sorry about that, I just wanted to get practice started. 88 00:05:01,790 --> 00:05:02,791 It's okay. 89 00:05:03,358 --> 00:05:06,339 Like I was saying, Tracy and I went out a few months. 90 00:05:06,394 --> 00:05:07,998 When's the last time you saw her? 91 00:05:08,063 --> 00:05:10,441 Maybe four, five weeks ago. 92 00:05:10,499 --> 00:05:14,003 Was this a serious thing? I mean, you just seem pretty upset. 93 00:05:15,103 --> 00:05:17,344 Well, there was just some unfinished business between us. 94 00:05:17,405 --> 00:05:20,443 Unfinished business? I was never quite sure why she left. 95 00:05:21,476 --> 00:05:22,853 Oh, so she broke it off. 96 00:05:23,445 --> 00:05:24,822 First few months everything was great. 97 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,918 Then Tracy, she just backed the hell off. Stopped returning my calls. 98 00:05:30,050 --> 00:05:31,927 Guess now I'll never have the chance to find out why. 99 00:05:32,553 --> 00:05:34,931 Is it possible there was somebody else? 100 00:05:34,989 --> 00:05:36,696 Could have been 10 other guys, for all I know. 101 00:05:37,625 --> 00:05:41,402 You never could tell with Tracy. She was pretty hard to read sometimes. 102 00:05:42,530 --> 00:05:44,441 Where were you last night, Matt? Home. 103 00:05:45,032 --> 00:05:46,136 Anybody with you? 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,649 No. I live alone. I spoke to a couple of friends on the phone. 105 00:05:51,405 --> 00:05:53,680 I'm sure there's a way you guys can check on that, or something. 106 00:05:57,277 --> 00:05:59,814 You know what the last thing I said to her was? 107 00:05:59,879 --> 00:06:00,880 ED: What's that? 108 00:06:02,815 --> 00:06:04,192 Have a good life. 109 00:06:06,252 --> 00:06:08,493 Tracy Conley, 34 years young. 110 00:06:08,555 --> 00:06:10,364 Just finished her dissertation. 111 00:06:10,423 --> 00:06:12,903 Had a therapy practice up on 60th Street. 112 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:17,408 The preliminary M.E. report puts time of death sometime around 11:00,11:30. 113 00:06:17,463 --> 00:06:19,636 Cause was multiple stab wounds to the upper torso. 114 00:06:19,698 --> 00:06:21,974 Multiple as in how many? Nine. 115 00:06:22,568 --> 00:06:24,775 So we're looking for an overachiever. 116 00:06:24,836 --> 00:06:28,113 What about witnesses? Anyone find a weapon? 117 00:06:28,173 --> 00:06:29,550 We should be so lucky. 118 00:06:29,608 --> 00:06:32,714 Nine stab wounds. What about an EDP? 119 00:06:32,778 --> 00:06:34,223 You talk to the precinct yet? 120 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,783 Unfortunately for us, the neighborhood has a clean bill of mental health. 121 00:06:37,849 --> 00:06:39,988 Do we at least know who she went to the movies with? 122 00:06:40,352 --> 00:06:43,265 Well, the ex that we talked to was at home with an alibi. 123 00:06:43,322 --> 00:06:45,700 He couldn't tell us whether she was seeing somebody else or not. 124 00:06:46,157 --> 00:06:47,568 So, what's next? 125 00:06:47,625 --> 00:06:49,002 Well, talk to the parents again. 126 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:51,097 See if we can find out who her girlfriends were. 127 00:06:51,162 --> 00:06:53,972 If she met someone new, she may have told one of them. 128 00:06:54,432 --> 00:06:55,604 All right. 129 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:58,337 Tracy didn't stay in relationships very long. 130 00:06:58,970 --> 00:07:00,381 You mean like with Matt? 131 00:07:00,972 --> 00:07:03,043 He made the classic mistake they all did with her. 132 00:07:03,107 --> 00:07:04,108 Which was what? 133 00:07:04,542 --> 00:07:05,816 He cared. 134 00:07:06,544 --> 00:07:10,048 Tracy had a commitment problem. 135 00:07:10,881 --> 00:07:14,191 Whenever anyone got too close for comfort, she'd push them away. 136 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:16,560 Just what you look for in a therapist. 137 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:18,463 It never interfered with her work. 138 00:07:19,022 --> 00:07:21,332 Actually, in a way, it gave her a little more insight into people. 139 00:07:21,391 --> 00:07:24,998 Okay, what about other exes. I mean, did she generally leave them on good terms? 140 00:07:25,061 --> 00:07:27,541 There weren't any stalkers hanging around, if that's what you're asking. 141 00:07:27,597 --> 00:07:30,168 Was there anybody new on the scene? 142 00:07:30,233 --> 00:07:33,237 Somebody she might have gone to the movies with Monday night? 143 00:07:33,303 --> 00:07:36,375 A new guy? No, I would have heard about that. 144 00:07:37,674 --> 00:07:39,277 Wait a minute. You said Monday night? 145 00:07:39,341 --> 00:07:40,376 BRISCOE: Right. 146 00:07:40,442 --> 00:07:42,547 Tracy always spent Mondays with her little sister. 147 00:07:43,212 --> 00:07:46,352 Her parents never mentioned anything about her having a sister. 148 00:07:46,682 --> 00:07:48,423 Tracy and Monique weren't related. 149 00:07:55,858 --> 00:07:58,964 We tell everyone interested in volunteering for Mentor Alliance 150 00:07:59,028 --> 00:08:01,975 that it's more than just taking a kid out to lunch once a week. 151 00:08:02,031 --> 00:08:04,533 You are looking at a potential five-to-10 year commitment. 152 00:08:04,599 --> 00:08:06,078 That must weed out a lot of people. 153 00:08:06,467 --> 00:08:08,276 It's definitely not for everyone. 154 00:08:08,336 --> 00:08:10,373 Tracy was the perfect candidate though. 155 00:08:10,438 --> 00:08:12,509 Why is that? She had roots here. 156 00:08:13,141 --> 00:08:16,520 Steady job. I remember her interview, too. 157 00:08:17,278 --> 00:08:19,815 She said that she wanted the most difficult girl we had. 158 00:08:19,881 --> 00:08:20,916 ED: Really? 159 00:08:20,982 --> 00:08:23,724 She said the whole point of volunteering was to help someone 160 00:08:23,785 --> 00:08:25,321 before they fell through the cracks. 161 00:08:25,687 --> 00:08:28,031 Monique Thomas, 15. 162 00:08:28,956 --> 00:08:30,957 Father was killed when she was 11. 163 00:08:31,525 --> 00:08:33,198 Discipline problems in school. 164 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:34,705 Sounds like a tough customer. 165 00:08:34,761 --> 00:08:36,365 She had three previous mentors 166 00:08:36,430 --> 00:08:37,966 prior to her placement with Tracy. 167 00:08:38,532 --> 00:08:39,772 How was it going? 168 00:08:39,833 --> 00:08:41,073 There were some rough spots, 169 00:08:41,134 --> 00:08:43,512 but Tracy said that she wanted to stick with it. 170 00:08:45,772 --> 00:08:47,274 And you guys tried her at home? 171 00:08:47,340 --> 00:08:49,946 No. We had this strange notion that, in the middle of the day, 172 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:52,320 a 15-year-old might actually be in school. 173 00:08:52,379 --> 00:08:55,952 Monique doesn't exactly make education a priority in her schedule. 174 00:08:56,016 --> 00:08:57,460 When was the last time she was here? 175 00:08:58,350 --> 00:09:00,694 Tuesday. Day after the murder. 176 00:09:03,189 --> 00:09:06,102 As you can see, she doesn't exactly spend a lot of time here. 177 00:09:08,294 --> 00:09:10,205 This has gotta be the boyfriend. 178 00:09:11,797 --> 00:09:13,208 Recognize this guy? 179 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:15,779 Andre Suarez. 180 00:09:15,835 --> 00:09:18,247 He was a senior until he dropped out a month ago. 181 00:09:18,537 --> 00:09:20,346 What are the chances these two love birds 182 00:09:20,406 --> 00:09:21,783 are together right now? 183 00:09:24,609 --> 00:09:25,747 Yeah? 184 00:09:26,111 --> 00:09:27,181 Monique here? 185 00:09:27,245 --> 00:09:28,622 Who? Monique. 186 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,058 Then one whose name's all over your chest, Romeo. 187 00:09:31,950 --> 00:09:33,156 No, man, she ain't here. 188 00:09:33,218 --> 00:09:35,255 BRISCOE: We already tried her house. 189 00:09:36,454 --> 00:09:39,128 You know the age of consent for somebody in this state, Andre? 190 00:09:42,393 --> 00:09:44,304 Monique? Who are you? 191 00:09:44,829 --> 00:09:47,639 We're not truant officers. So, what do you want? 192 00:09:47,699 --> 00:09:48,700 You gotta take a ride with us. 193 00:09:48,767 --> 00:09:51,076 We need to ask you some questions about Tracy Conley. 194 00:09:51,135 --> 00:09:53,115 Hey, yo, man, you can't be asking her no questions, man. 195 00:09:53,170 --> 00:09:54,171 She's only 15. 196 00:09:54,238 --> 00:09:56,047 Oh, so you Johnnie Cochrane now? Shut up. 197 00:09:56,106 --> 00:09:58,848 Don't worry about it, slick. We already talked to her mom. 198 00:09:58,909 --> 00:10:00,217 You called my mother? 199 00:10:00,277 --> 00:10:02,314 Yeah, she's waiting for us down at the precinct. Come on. 200 00:10:04,214 --> 00:10:07,354 If my daughter said she went to the movies with Tracy, and then straight home, 201 00:10:07,417 --> 00:10:08,760 then that's what happened. 202 00:10:08,819 --> 00:10:10,264 Ms. Thomas, if you don't let Monique answer the... 203 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,628 She doesn't need to. 204 00:10:12,289 --> 00:10:13,825 Look, are we done here? 205 00:10:14,291 --> 00:10:15,701 I gotta get back to work. 206 00:10:20,263 --> 00:10:23,369 She makes legal aid feel like a day at the beach. 207 00:10:23,432 --> 00:10:24,911 Let me take a shot. 208 00:10:24,967 --> 00:10:26,207 She's all yours. 209 00:10:32,475 --> 00:10:34,455 Ms. Thomas. Monique. 210 00:10:35,044 --> 00:10:36,614 I'm Lieutenant Van Buren. 211 00:10:36,712 --> 00:10:39,716 Oh, great. So you gonna tell us we can't leave now? 212 00:10:39,782 --> 00:10:42,455 'Cause if you think you're gonna rail road my daughter, you're not. 213 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:44,360 No one's trying to rail road anyone. 214 00:10:44,419 --> 00:10:46,023 Well, then this is just a waste of time. 215 00:10:46,087 --> 00:10:47,725 Well, I know how it can feel that way, 216 00:10:47,789 --> 00:10:50,998 especially since you probably don't have a lot of free time either, do you? 217 00:10:51,059 --> 00:10:52,367 That's right. 218 00:10:52,427 --> 00:10:56,204 Look, I'm a working mother raising two boys. I know how hard it is. 219 00:10:57,599 --> 00:10:59,579 Why do you think your mother does that, Monique? 220 00:11:00,869 --> 00:11:03,042 So you can have a better life. 221 00:11:03,638 --> 00:11:06,084 Same reason she probably got you the mentor, right? 222 00:11:06,508 --> 00:11:07,542 Tracy was a good influence. 223 00:11:07,608 --> 00:11:09,178 I'm sure she was. 224 00:11:09,243 --> 00:11:12,417 But what I can't figure out is if Tracy helped Monique, 225 00:11:12,813 --> 00:11:15,157 why you won't let Monique help Tracy now? 226 00:11:15,683 --> 00:11:17,924 Because she doesn't know anything. 227 00:11:18,485 --> 00:11:21,728 Well, now, see, I think maybe she does know something 228 00:11:22,356 --> 00:11:24,632 and is just afraid to say. 229 00:11:24,692 --> 00:11:28,105 And if you want to protect your daughter, Ms. Thomas, 230 00:11:28,429 --> 00:11:33,435 she needs to tell us the truth, right here, right now. 231 00:11:40,540 --> 00:11:42,042 Look at me. 232 00:11:43,209 --> 00:11:45,485 You telling the whole story here? 233 00:11:46,346 --> 00:11:48,087 Don't you look away from me. 234 00:11:49,115 --> 00:11:51,493 You wanna earn respect in this world, you look a person in the eye 235 00:11:51,551 --> 00:11:52,962 when they ask you a question. 236 00:11:55,321 --> 00:11:56,425 Now, 237 00:11:57,690 --> 00:12:01,193 do you know anything about what happened to Tracy? 238 00:12:14,139 --> 00:12:18,315 He was just supposed to grab her purse, not kill her. 239 00:12:19,945 --> 00:12:21,788 VAN BUREN: Who are you talking about, Monique? 240 00:12:25,017 --> 00:12:26,757 His name's Arnold. 241 00:12:26,817 --> 00:12:28,956 What else can you tell me about him? 242 00:12:31,222 --> 00:12:33,725 I just have his cell number. That's all I know. 243 00:12:35,726 --> 00:12:37,637 Mom, I'm so sorry. 244 00:12:48,239 --> 00:12:50,276 ED: It's cold out here. Try him again. 245 00:12:57,314 --> 00:13:00,124 Yo, Arnold. What's up, man? It's E.D., Monique's friend. 246 00:13:00,183 --> 00:13:01,355 You said 10 minutes. 247 00:13:01,418 --> 00:13:03,329 Turn around. Yo. 248 00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:05,993 So, what you want? Weed, coke? 249 00:13:06,056 --> 00:13:07,729 Just a little bit of... (GRUNTS) 250 00:13:08,892 --> 00:13:12,396 Down on the ground! One more step and you're dead! Get down! 251 00:13:12,462 --> 00:13:14,806 You okay? Yeah, man. Get up! 252 00:13:15,565 --> 00:13:16,669 Assaulting a police officer. 253 00:13:16,733 --> 00:13:17,939 You're in big leagues now, bro. 254 00:13:18,734 --> 00:13:19,735 Spread 'em! 255 00:13:23,539 --> 00:13:26,452 Give me that. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a base hit. 256 00:13:28,377 --> 00:13:31,324 Check this out Tracy Conley. 257 00:13:31,380 --> 00:13:33,417 You just hit one out of the park, kid. 258 00:13:35,718 --> 00:13:37,026 BRISCOE: Down. 259 00:13:41,023 --> 00:13:45,095 Looks like Arnold here's been a guest of ours before, Lennie. 260 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,106 Apparently, he beat up a girlfriend, took 1-to-3 for it. 261 00:13:48,496 --> 00:13:52,103 Well, Arnold, let me just say on behalf of the New York City Police Department, 262 00:13:52,166 --> 00:13:54,271 it's a pleasure to have you back with us. 263 00:13:54,335 --> 00:13:56,372 ED: You got a history of assaulting women, huh? 264 00:13:58,306 --> 00:14:00,081 Yeah, that's me. 265 00:14:00,141 --> 00:14:01,745 They make easy targets, don't they? 266 00:14:01,809 --> 00:14:03,220 Especially for somebody as big as you. 267 00:14:04,145 --> 00:14:05,215 That's what you were thinking 268 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:06,383 when you saw Tracy Conley, right? 269 00:14:06,447 --> 00:14:09,223 Who? The woman Monique set up for you. 270 00:14:12,052 --> 00:14:14,259 Mmm-hmm. That's right. She gave you up. 271 00:14:15,255 --> 00:14:17,235 Okay, so now what? 272 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:19,031 BRISCOE: So, you're admitting you robbed her? 273 00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:21,038 You already have the plastic. 274 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:23,001 And that woman's probably in there right now, 275 00:14:23,063 --> 00:14:24,838 pointing her finger at me. What woman? 276 00:14:25,832 --> 00:14:27,368 The one I took off, Tracy. 277 00:14:27,434 --> 00:14:28,913 Oh, so now you crazy? 278 00:14:29,469 --> 00:14:32,473 Look, I already confessed. Y'all need to back up off me 279 00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:33,950 and tell me what the damn plea is. 280 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:36,419 Tracy's not in there because you killed her, Arnold. 281 00:14:37,443 --> 00:14:38,717 What are you talking about? 282 00:14:38,778 --> 00:14:41,657 You stabbed her nine times, Arnold, you think she was gonna live? 283 00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:43,091 No, I didn't stab nobody. 284 00:14:43,149 --> 00:14:45,186 You took her money, and when she resisted you stuck that knife... 285 00:14:45,251 --> 00:14:46,525 No, I didn't do nothing! 286 00:14:46,585 --> 00:14:49,566 If I gotta knock your head on all four of these walls, I will. 287 00:14:49,789 --> 00:14:52,668 Look, I split when some guy ran up to try to help her. 288 00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:54,796 I swear, I don't know nothing about her being dead. 289 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:55,861 VAN BUREN: Detective! 290 00:14:57,296 --> 00:14:58,639 Let him go. 291 00:15:09,274 --> 00:15:11,584 You wanna tell me what the hell happened in there? 292 00:15:11,643 --> 00:15:13,782 Kid got a little personal when we collared him. 293 00:15:14,045 --> 00:15:15,115 And? 294 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:16,989 And I was trying to get a statement. 295 00:15:17,048 --> 00:15:19,324 Preliminary forensics on his knife. 296 00:15:19,384 --> 00:15:20,863 It wasn't the murder weapon. 297 00:15:21,352 --> 00:15:24,265 The kid's still got a record for this kind of thing, Lou. 298 00:15:24,322 --> 00:15:26,529 Fine. We'll hold him on the robbery for now. 299 00:15:26,591 --> 00:15:28,628 But in the meantime, we just got a call 300 00:15:28,693 --> 00:15:30,933 from Conley's office. Something's going on there, 301 00:15:30,994 --> 00:15:33,065 and you two need to check it out right away. 302 00:15:39,403 --> 00:15:42,145 We got here and these two therapists are arguing, 303 00:15:42,206 --> 00:15:44,447 accusing each other for stealing from your vic. 304 00:15:44,508 --> 00:15:46,545 We figured it's your case, you sort it out. 305 00:15:48,779 --> 00:15:51,225 Okay, who wants to tell us what happened? 306 00:15:51,715 --> 00:15:52,955 (BOTH ARGUING) 307 00:15:53,016 --> 00:15:55,257 Whoa, whoa. One doc: at a time. 308 00:15:55,985 --> 00:15:58,363 Last night, Tracy's parents called me to ask if I could 309 00:15:58,421 --> 00:15:59,695 come in and pack up her belongings. 310 00:15:59,755 --> 00:16:00,961 You never told me that. 311 00:16:01,023 --> 00:16:02,661 Wait a minute. Who actually works in this office? 312 00:16:02,725 --> 00:16:03,760 There are three of us. 313 00:16:03,826 --> 00:16:05,772 Myself, Dr. McBride, and Tracy. 314 00:16:05,828 --> 00:16:07,364 We see clients different days, split the rent. 315 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:10,536 Yeah, but the rule is you're not allowed to come in when you are not seeing patients. 316 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,670 So, that's what this is about? 317 00:16:11,734 --> 00:16:13,111 Your boundaries being violated? 318 00:16:13,169 --> 00:16:15,115 I came in, the office door was open, 319 00:16:15,171 --> 00:16:17,310 Dr. Gerring was packing up Tracy's laptop. 320 00:16:17,373 --> 00:16:18,647 BRISCOE: Is that right? Yes, but I... 321 00:16:18,708 --> 00:16:20,745 I told him to stop, but he refused. 322 00:16:21,043 --> 00:16:22,715 Said it was none of my business. 323 00:16:22,777 --> 00:16:24,450 That's when I called the cops. 324 00:16:24,513 --> 00:16:27,585 Dr. Gerring, you are aware that there's a criminal investigation 325 00:16:27,649 --> 00:16:30,152 going on regarding Tracy Conley's murder? 326 00:16:30,218 --> 00:16:31,856 I was just trying to save some research. 327 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,092 ED: What research? 328 00:16:35,390 --> 00:16:38,269 Tracy and I had been working on a book for over a year. 329 00:16:38,326 --> 00:16:39,361 (SCOFFS) 330 00:16:39,427 --> 00:16:41,634 We were trying to keep it quiet until we had a publisher, 331 00:16:41,696 --> 00:16:43,835 lest anyone steal our idea. 332 00:16:43,899 --> 00:16:47,403 You two see other patients, or you just treat each other? 333 00:16:47,868 --> 00:16:51,247 So, you saw Tracy regularly outside this office? 334 00:16:51,305 --> 00:16:52,943 We'd meet, we'd work over the Internet. 335 00:16:53,007 --> 00:16:55,487 BRISCOE: When you heard about Tracy's murder, your first reaction 336 00:16:55,543 --> 00:16:57,318 was to worry about your research? 337 00:16:58,279 --> 00:17:01,158 I know how it sounds, but we put a lot of work into this project. 338 00:17:01,215 --> 00:17:02,455 Tracy would have wanted me to finish. 339 00:17:02,516 --> 00:17:03,824 And you'll take all the credit. 340 00:17:03,884 --> 00:17:06,125 Well, we're still gonna have to take this. 341 00:17:06,187 --> 00:17:07,996 GERRING: But I haven't downloaded the files yet. 342 00:17:08,389 --> 00:17:10,096 If I were you, I'd be more concerned about 343 00:17:10,157 --> 00:17:13,502 downloading the details of your alibi for Monday night. 344 00:17:15,528 --> 00:17:18,031 And we're sure Gerring's relationship with Conley 345 00:17:18,097 --> 00:17:19,303 was strictly professional? 346 00:17:19,365 --> 00:17:20,366 His wife seems to think so. 347 00:17:20,433 --> 00:17:22,606 Also, his alibi checks out. 348 00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:25,650 Hotel receipts and airline tickets prove he was in Boston 349 00:17:25,705 --> 00:17:27,116 at the time of the murder. 350 00:17:27,173 --> 00:17:28,550 I'd still like another crack at Arnold. 351 00:17:28,608 --> 00:17:32,920 Well, he lawyered up once Monique agreed to cooperate against him for the robbery. 352 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,593 Look, he's not going anywhere, Detective. 353 00:17:36,649 --> 00:17:40,062 You find a murder weapon or a witness, I'll bring it to the D.A. 354 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,691 In the meantime, we follow this investigation where it leads us. 355 00:17:43,755 --> 00:17:46,668 Now, what was so important about this research 356 00:17:46,725 --> 00:17:49,069 that Gerring tried to steal her computer? 357 00:17:49,128 --> 00:17:51,699 Some psychology study he says they were working on. 358 00:17:51,763 --> 00:17:53,834 A study about what? We're not sure. 359 00:17:53,899 --> 00:17:56,277 Well, keep digging into what's left of her personal life 360 00:17:56,335 --> 00:17:58,008 or get someone to check out this research. 361 00:17:58,070 --> 00:18:00,778 Maybe there's a patient worth taking a look at. 362 00:18:05,377 --> 00:18:06,980 DR. SKODA: Certainly a wide cross-section of subjects 363 00:18:07,044 --> 00:18:08,546 your therapist had in this study. 364 00:18:08,613 --> 00:18:11,321 ED: We were hoping that somebody would just pop out at you. 365 00:18:11,916 --> 00:18:14,362 If I could've gotten into her individual session files, maybe, 366 00:18:14,418 --> 00:18:16,227 but those are all password protected. 367 00:18:17,021 --> 00:18:19,433 The only thing that's readable are her general notes. 368 00:18:19,891 --> 00:18:21,996 Anything interesting at least? 369 00:18:22,693 --> 00:18:25,196 Basically, those notes are clinical assessments of 370 00:18:25,263 --> 00:18:28,142 forty something males and females who correspond to research 371 00:18:28,199 --> 00:18:30,839 on early socialization attributed to pre-school exposure. 372 00:18:30,902 --> 00:18:33,006 You lost me after "basically." 373 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:36,717 Your shrink was trying to predict anti-social behavior 374 00:18:36,773 --> 00:18:39,413 by looking at her subjects' early childhood experience. 375 00:18:39,476 --> 00:18:42,980 Did she predict that somebody would grow up and murder their therapist? 376 00:18:43,947 --> 00:18:45,893 You'd have to get into her actual session notes. 377 00:18:45,949 --> 00:18:47,257 That's where any clues would be. 378 00:18:47,317 --> 00:18:48,762 BRISCOE: What kind of clues? 379 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:51,765 First thing I'd look for would be some sort of physical abuse. 380 00:18:51,821 --> 00:18:52,925 Possibly sexual. 381 00:18:53,456 --> 00:18:56,926 And because the nature of your murder was particularly vicious, 382 00:18:56,993 --> 00:18:59,302 I'd focus on anyone who could've felt betrayed by their therapist. 383 00:19:00,129 --> 00:19:03,201 At 150 an hour that'd be practically everybody, wouldn't it? 384 00:19:04,533 --> 00:19:06,979 So, how do you break somebody's password? 385 00:19:07,036 --> 00:19:09,414 If I told you, you wouldn't come to see me anymore. 386 00:19:10,506 --> 00:19:11,678 We're in. 387 00:19:12,107 --> 00:19:14,314 Can you print out the names of her patients? 388 00:19:14,643 --> 00:19:16,316 Just need to find the right file. 389 00:19:17,947 --> 00:19:20,120 Wait, that's pretty interesting. What's that? 390 00:19:20,916 --> 00:19:22,156 When did you say this murder occurred? 391 00:19:22,217 --> 00:19:23,423 It was the 19th. Why? 392 00:19:24,053 --> 00:19:26,054 Pretty much all word processing programs 393 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:27,656 record the time and date of files modified, 394 00:19:27,722 --> 00:19:29,565 let's you see the last time you worked on it. 395 00:19:29,624 --> 00:19:31,001 All these 396 00:19:31,059 --> 00:19:33,039 have dates showing they were accessed before the 19th, 397 00:19:33,094 --> 00:19:34,402 but this one... 398 00:19:34,963 --> 00:19:37,341 ED: Was modified the day after the murder. 399 00:19:37,398 --> 00:19:40,242 Wait. Can you pull up that file the way it was before it was changed? 400 00:19:40,301 --> 00:19:43,145 I told you, Detective, I can pull up anything. 401 00:19:45,073 --> 00:19:47,110 Virgil Rice, male, 42 years old. 402 00:19:47,175 --> 00:19:50,952 Treated for depression and anxiety related to stress in the workplace. 403 00:19:51,011 --> 00:19:53,184 That's what the file said after it was changed. 404 00:19:53,246 --> 00:19:55,192 This is how it read before. 405 00:19:56,416 --> 00:19:58,453 Four years on a rape charge, 406 00:19:58,518 --> 00:20:00,293 previous conviction for assault, 407 00:20:00,354 --> 00:20:02,960 released from Sing Sing six months ago. 408 00:20:03,023 --> 00:20:04,900 It's a whole different Virgil Rice. 409 00:20:04,958 --> 00:20:07,996 If he was seeing Tracy Conley as a condition of parole... 410 00:20:08,061 --> 00:20:10,098 Doesn't look like things went too well. 411 00:20:10,163 --> 00:20:12,040 Tracy's notes from the original file 412 00:20:12,099 --> 00:20:14,978 show Virgil's boss caught him downloading porn 413 00:20:15,035 --> 00:20:16,173 off the Internet at work. 414 00:20:16,236 --> 00:20:18,146 She was about to recommend a parole violation. 415 00:20:18,204 --> 00:20:19,706 He'd be facing five years. 416 00:20:19,772 --> 00:20:21,012 Only according to her notes, 417 00:20:21,073 --> 00:20:22,746 she never got to tell his P.O. 418 00:20:22,808 --> 00:20:24,754 Her next report wasn't due for a couple of weeks. 419 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:25,880 Rice found out. 420 00:20:25,945 --> 00:20:28,653 He was in her office three times a week, for six months. 421 00:20:28,714 --> 00:20:32,161 Yeah, so she turns her back, goes to the bathroom, 422 00:20:32,218 --> 00:20:35,097 he sees her notes, gets a hold of her password somehow. 423 00:20:35,154 --> 00:20:37,327 That's exactly the kind of betrayal scenario 424 00:20:37,390 --> 00:20:38,664 Skoda said we should be looking for. 425 00:20:39,158 --> 00:20:40,330 Pick him up. 426 00:20:50,769 --> 00:20:53,375 Would you say your orange juice had too little pulp, 427 00:20:53,905 --> 00:20:56,511 too much pulp, or just the right amount of pulp? 428 00:20:56,574 --> 00:20:58,884 It's The Three Bears. Virgil Rice. 429 00:20:59,477 --> 00:21:02,356 What's this about? It ain't about O.J. 430 00:21:08,186 --> 00:21:10,791 So, you been getting your head shrunk, Virgil? 431 00:21:10,854 --> 00:21:14,358 Three times a week, exactly like my P.O. told me. 432 00:21:15,325 --> 00:21:17,931 But then, I'm sure you know that. 433 00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:20,941 ED: So, you went on Tuesday? Yeah. 434 00:21:21,532 --> 00:21:24,035 I went. Dr. Conley wasn't there. 435 00:21:24,568 --> 00:21:25,876 I figured something came up. 436 00:21:26,437 --> 00:21:28,644 You know what I find curious, Virgil? 437 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,511 You haven't asked us what this is all about. 438 00:21:32,276 --> 00:21:34,483 Cops are like sharks. 439 00:21:35,112 --> 00:21:37,318 The more you thrash, the more they attack. 440 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,826 Is that what it's like when you rape women? 441 00:21:41,884 --> 00:21:43,261 I'm in recovery. 442 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:46,493 Does your recovery include downloading porn off the Internet? 443 00:21:46,989 --> 00:21:50,835 I don't do that. That violates parole. 444 00:21:50,893 --> 00:21:54,500 ED: That is exactly what we thought when we read about it in your file. 445 00:21:54,564 --> 00:21:57,636 BRISCOE: You know, they told us that the problem with that delete button 446 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:01,671 is that you always leave a little copy someplace on the hard drive. 447 00:22:02,504 --> 00:22:05,610 Now, tell me, what kind of a perv would stab 448 00:22:05,674 --> 00:22:07,551 the only person who's trying to help? 449 00:22:07,609 --> 00:22:09,282 He's a rapist. Any woman I know 450 00:22:09,344 --> 00:22:10,448 would want you to rot in jail. 451 00:22:10,512 --> 00:22:13,459 Tracy Conley at least thought you were worth trying to rehabilitate. 452 00:22:13,515 --> 00:22:14,687 You don't know what you're talking about. 453 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:16,354 She counseled you. She listened to you. 454 00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:18,625 She had her own agenda She was your therapist. 455 00:22:18,687 --> 00:22:20,223 Her agenda was trying to help you. 456 00:22:20,288 --> 00:22:22,199 She was out to screw me from the very beginning. 457 00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:24,498 She got what she deserved. 458 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:25,663 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 459 00:22:27,229 --> 00:22:30,038 Jasmine Kosovich, Mr. Rice's attorney. 460 00:22:30,097 --> 00:22:32,043 Sorry to break up the party. 461 00:22:36,403 --> 00:22:37,609 So, the theory is he killed her 462 00:22:37,671 --> 00:22:39,617 because she was about to violate his parole? 463 00:22:39,673 --> 00:22:41,152 He owed another five years. 464 00:22:41,675 --> 00:22:44,178 And she was foolish enough to disclose that, 465 00:22:44,245 --> 00:22:45,883 prior to filing her recommendation? 466 00:22:45,946 --> 00:22:48,654 I talked to his parole officer. She hadn't told him yet. 467 00:22:48,716 --> 00:22:51,060 So, how did Rice find out? 468 00:22:51,118 --> 00:22:54,031 Well, somehow he got access to her computer. 469 00:22:54,088 --> 00:22:57,125 And the day after the murder, Rice's file was altered. 470 00:22:57,557 --> 00:23:00,401 Anything mentioning his parole violation was deleted. 471 00:23:01,528 --> 00:23:03,633 I thought those files were password protected. 472 00:23:03,696 --> 00:23:04,800 Well, according to our techie, 473 00:23:04,864 --> 00:23:06,434 they're not all that hard to break these days. 474 00:23:06,499 --> 00:23:09,810 And three sessions a week, he would have had plenty of opportunity. 475 00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:14,218 It also doesn't explain how the file was altered the day after she was killed. 476 00:23:14,874 --> 00:23:16,547 Unless he broke into her office. 477 00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:19,315 There weren't any signs of forced entry. 478 00:23:19,379 --> 00:23:21,187 The file wasn't altered on its own. 479 00:23:21,647 --> 00:23:23,957 Well, I'll have Briscoe and Green toss his place again. 480 00:23:26,385 --> 00:23:28,058 There's nothing in the kitchen. 481 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,461 I found some keys in a desk drawer, 482 00:23:30,522 --> 00:23:32,900 but nothing that looks like the key to the office. 483 00:23:32,958 --> 00:23:34,266 You know, Lennie, this doesn't make any sense. 484 00:23:34,326 --> 00:23:35,566 I checked this dude's rap sheet, 485 00:23:35,627 --> 00:23:37,470 his MO was deserted streets and parking lots. 486 00:23:37,529 --> 00:23:39,440 I figured, if he had the talent to break into somebody's place, 487 00:23:39,498 --> 00:23:40,738 he'd have done it already. 488 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,972 Maybe he never needed to break in before. 489 00:23:43,035 --> 00:23:45,208 What are you saying, this shrink made house calls? 490 00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:48,250 I'm saying maybe he got all his information over the phone. 491 00:23:48,906 --> 00:23:51,011 "A Cyberhead's Guide To Eavesdropping. " 492 00:23:51,075 --> 00:23:53,783 Yeah, let your fingers do the walking. 493 00:23:54,579 --> 00:23:56,855 Looks like he sent her a worm. Worm? 494 00:23:56,914 --> 00:23:58,587 It's sort of like a computer virus. 495 00:23:58,649 --> 00:24:00,287 It was probably sent to her as an attachment 496 00:24:00,351 --> 00:24:02,160 to an e-mail. She opens it, 497 00:24:03,221 --> 00:24:04,222 and he's in. 498 00:24:05,256 --> 00:24:08,203 Reason number 37 for me not to open my e-mail. 499 00:24:08,259 --> 00:24:09,897 Don't nobody send you e-mail. 500 00:24:10,428 --> 00:24:12,839 Whoever sent this was able to monitor her activity 501 00:24:12,896 --> 00:24:14,136 keystroke by keystroke. 502 00:24:14,197 --> 00:24:16,074 Oh, wait a minute, are you telling us that Rice was able to 503 00:24:16,132 --> 00:24:18,203 see everything that she typed as she typed it? 504 00:24:18,802 --> 00:24:21,510 Every website she visited, every document she worked on. 505 00:24:21,571 --> 00:24:23,050 What about altering her files? 506 00:24:23,106 --> 00:24:25,211 He would have had complete control of her laptop, 507 00:24:25,275 --> 00:24:26,948 as if he was sitting at the keyboard. 508 00:24:27,010 --> 00:24:28,353 BRISCOE: How hard is this to do? 509 00:24:28,411 --> 00:24:30,084 Anyone with a computer can do it. 510 00:24:30,146 --> 00:24:32,683 Can we prove Rice sent the worm that you found? 511 00:24:32,749 --> 00:24:34,285 CAMP: She deleted the e-mail. 512 00:24:34,351 --> 00:24:36,957 It still leaves a fragment on the hard drive, but... 513 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:39,158 ED: Not enough to reconstruct who actually sent it. 514 00:24:39,221 --> 00:24:40,894 So, as far as the court's concerned, 515 00:24:40,956 --> 00:24:42,958 we have an interesting theory and not much else. 516 00:24:43,025 --> 00:24:44,265 Not necessarily. 517 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,297 I also found something on his computer. 518 00:24:49,265 --> 00:24:52,405 Information he couldn't have gotten from the worm program by itself. 519 00:24:52,468 --> 00:24:54,175 What sort of information? 520 00:24:54,236 --> 00:24:56,147 CAMP: Bank accounts, credit history, 521 00:24:56,205 --> 00:24:58,981 her driving record. And this. 522 00:25:05,113 --> 00:25:07,218 Raped? In college. 523 00:25:07,282 --> 00:25:10,559 The computer tech found posts she'd made to a survivor chat room. 524 00:25:10,618 --> 00:25:12,325 They were in a file on Rice's computer. 525 00:25:12,387 --> 00:25:15,493 A rapist finds out his therapist is a rape victim. 526 00:25:15,556 --> 00:25:17,627 Explains what he meant when he said that she was out to get him. 527 00:25:18,026 --> 00:25:21,098 He fits Skoda's pattern of a patient who would have felt betrayed. 528 00:25:21,663 --> 00:25:24,837 And he obtained all this information from the computer worm program? 529 00:25:24,899 --> 00:25:28,472 No, he got the chat room posts before he ever sent Conley the worm. 530 00:25:28,536 --> 00:25:29,879 From where? 531 00:25:29,938 --> 00:25:33,316 An online data brokerage company called Access Nation. 532 00:25:33,373 --> 00:25:35,876 We think he came across the company while he was doing telemarketing. 533 00:25:35,943 --> 00:25:37,354 Data brokerage? 534 00:25:37,411 --> 00:25:39,982 They're kind of like an online Pl firm. 535 00:25:40,047 --> 00:25:41,958 We found the references to them on Rice's computer. 536 00:25:42,015 --> 00:25:44,359 They probably were the ones who sold him the chat room posts. 537 00:25:44,851 --> 00:25:46,489 If they did, we're gonna need a witness. 538 00:25:47,921 --> 00:25:48,956 Nail it down. 539 00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:54,899 Well, we've been pretty much immune from the whole tech downturn. 540 00:25:54,961 --> 00:25:57,497 In fact, the market for personal data just gets bigger and bigger, 541 00:25:57,563 --> 00:25:59,099 especially in the wake of September 11th. 542 00:25:59,165 --> 00:26:01,270 People want to know what their neighbors are up to, you know? 543 00:26:01,334 --> 00:26:03,541 Exactly what kind of services do you provide? 544 00:26:03,602 --> 00:26:06,412 We sell information gathering services, as well as software. 545 00:26:06,472 --> 00:26:08,179 In other words, spyware. 546 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,744 Well, the information's already out there. We just hunt and gather. 547 00:26:12,445 --> 00:26:14,356 What about chat room postings? 548 00:26:17,883 --> 00:26:19,123 May I ask why you want to know? 549 00:26:19,585 --> 00:26:21,758 We're investigating a case involving one of your clients. 550 00:26:21,821 --> 00:26:24,232 We're just trying to figure out what kind of information he bought here. 551 00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:26,030 I'm afraid I can't divulge that. 552 00:26:26,091 --> 00:26:27,832 It's a homicide investigation. 553 00:26:27,892 --> 00:26:29,428 I'm sorry, 554 00:26:29,494 --> 00:26:32,100 but we contractually guarantee the privacy of all our clients. 555 00:26:32,831 --> 00:26:35,038 I can be back here with a subpoena in an hour. 556 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,979 Divulging our techniques would be revealing trade secrets. 557 00:26:38,736 --> 00:26:41,273 If you're gonna come with a subpoena, you better bring a big one. 558 00:26:42,574 --> 00:26:44,520 They're hiding behind trade secrets. 559 00:26:45,577 --> 00:26:49,081 Which probably gives them enough of a legal argument to delay our subpoena. 560 00:26:49,147 --> 00:26:51,023 Is there any other way to tie Rice to them? 561 00:26:51,081 --> 00:26:54,619 We can link four charges on his credit card to Access Nation. 562 00:26:54,685 --> 00:26:56,392 The first ones were for information packages. 563 00:26:56,453 --> 00:26:58,194 The last one was for the worm. 564 00:26:58,255 --> 00:27:00,895 This guy was a stalker by nature, Jack. 565 00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:06,032 So, he stumbles on the fact that she's a rape survivor, he buys the worm... 566 00:27:06,396 --> 00:27:07,704 And the fuse is lit. 567 00:27:09,199 --> 00:27:11,839 It's hard to believe a person's life can be so easily accessed. 568 00:27:11,902 --> 00:27:12,937 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 569 00:27:13,537 --> 00:27:14,948 So much for chatting with 570 00:27:15,005 --> 00:27:18,178 my college roommate in London for the price of a local call. 571 00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:20,619 But all this is still speculation. 572 00:27:22,145 --> 00:27:25,649 Motion to suppress Rice's statement and the contents of his computer. 573 00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:34,230 SERENA: "She got what she deserved." That's an admission. 574 00:27:34,290 --> 00:27:36,930 What they did violates doctor-patient privilege. 575 00:27:36,993 --> 00:27:40,202 Virgil Rice signed a waiver of any privilege as a condition of parole. 576 00:27:40,263 --> 00:27:43,505 His therapist was free to share the contents of his file with his parole officer 577 00:27:43,565 --> 00:27:44,873 and the state of New York. 578 00:27:44,933 --> 00:27:46,310 Just because my client signed a waiver 579 00:27:46,368 --> 00:27:48,405 shouldn't give some guy from the Department of Transportation 580 00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:49,778 the right to read his medical file. 581 00:27:49,838 --> 00:27:51,408 Never happened. 582 00:27:51,473 --> 00:27:54,579 When Tracy Conley was murdered, her possessions passed to her parents. 583 00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:56,512 They consented to a search of the laptop. 584 00:27:56,578 --> 00:27:58,023 But not her patients' files. 585 00:27:58,079 --> 00:27:59,217 When the police broke that password, 586 00:27:59,281 --> 00:28:02,091 it was the same as if they broke the lock on her file cabinet, 587 00:28:02,150 --> 00:28:04,926 then they used that information to obtain a statement from Mr. Rice 588 00:28:04,986 --> 00:28:06,795 and to search his apartment. 589 00:28:06,855 --> 00:28:08,095 I'm sorry, but I can't imagine 590 00:28:08,156 --> 00:28:10,294 anything more personal than a medical file. 591 00:28:10,758 --> 00:28:13,102 Parole or no parole, I am not comfortable 592 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,232 with the police sitting with a technician, breaking a password 593 00:28:16,297 --> 00:28:19,210 obviously intended by his therapist to keep the public out. 594 00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:21,644 Take the information in the medical file out of the equation, 595 00:28:21,702 --> 00:28:24,273 there is no reason for the police to search Mr. Rice's home. 596 00:28:24,338 --> 00:28:27,842 JACK: If Your Honor conducted a hearing, I'm sure these detectives would tell you 597 00:28:27,908 --> 00:28:29,910 that a violent felon with connections 598 00:28:29,977 --> 00:28:32,890 to the victim would be first on their list of people whose homes they'd search. 599 00:28:32,947 --> 00:28:35,017 People's position's correct. 600 00:28:35,582 --> 00:28:37,755 While the defendant's statement was obtained using 601 00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:39,353 the contents of his medical file, 602 00:28:39,419 --> 00:28:41,524 the items recovered from his apartment 603 00:28:41,588 --> 00:28:43,659 weren't and would have been inevitably discovered. 604 00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:47,663 Your client's statement is out. Everything else is in. 605 00:28:49,329 --> 00:28:51,832 She ruled Rice had a reasonable expectation of privacy 606 00:28:51,898 --> 00:28:52,968 in his therapy files. 607 00:28:53,032 --> 00:28:54,978 Despite the parole waiver? 608 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:58,481 Well, she still took issue how we accessed Tracy Conley's computer files. 609 00:28:58,872 --> 00:29:00,782 If we hadn't, Rice would still be out there. 610 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,183 So, we have no physical evidence, no witnesses. 611 00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:06,246 Everything still adds up, the motive, the worm program. 612 00:29:06,311 --> 00:29:08,188 I think we can get a jury to add two plus two. 613 00:29:08,247 --> 00:29:12,821 And a good defense attorney can get them to say it's 17. Offer him a plea. 614 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:19,893 So, this guy murders our daughter 615 00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:23,098 and all he gets is 10 years for manslaughter? 616 00:29:23,161 --> 00:29:25,698 Ten plus the five for violating parole. 617 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:27,071 He'll serve 15. 618 00:29:27,565 --> 00:29:29,977 But only 10 for Tracy's murder. 619 00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:32,812 PATRICIA: I can't believe this. 620 00:29:33,704 --> 00:29:35,581 How could his confession be suppressed? 621 00:29:36,507 --> 00:29:38,316 SERENA: I know that it's hard to understand. 622 00:29:39,677 --> 00:29:41,315 What does that mean exactly? 623 00:29:42,146 --> 00:29:43,750 PATRICIA: It means the police screwed up. 624 00:29:43,814 --> 00:29:45,760 Patricia, please... if they opened this guy's file 625 00:29:45,816 --> 00:29:47,523 when they weren't supposed to, they screwed up. 626 00:29:47,585 --> 00:29:49,656 Now, why should Tracy get penalized for that? Please. 627 00:29:50,321 --> 00:29:52,858 Let's try to figure out what's happening here. 628 00:29:55,125 --> 00:29:56,468 This isn't helping. 629 00:29:58,528 --> 00:29:59,836 I'm sorry. 630 00:30:00,931 --> 00:30:02,308 I just... 631 00:30:05,001 --> 00:30:07,277 Isn't there anything we can do? 632 00:30:08,205 --> 00:30:09,616 Can we talk to the judge? 633 00:30:10,707 --> 00:30:11,913 I'm afraid that won't help. 634 00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:15,353 PATRICIA: Our only child was murdered. 635 00:30:16,446 --> 00:30:17,550 And you come and tell us 636 00:30:17,614 --> 00:30:19,957 that the man who killed her had his privacy rights violated? 637 00:30:21,183 --> 00:30:23,424 But when that creep was stalking our daughter online, 638 00:30:23,485 --> 00:30:25,396 where was the law for her? 639 00:30:25,454 --> 00:30:27,229 Who was protecting her rights? 640 00:30:35,364 --> 00:30:39,278 Parents are right. Rice's privacy is protected by the court, 641 00:30:39,335 --> 00:30:43,181 while their daughter's life is an open book being read by a convicted rapist. 642 00:30:43,906 --> 00:30:47,182 Like it or not, judges are going to hold the government to a higher standard. 643 00:30:47,242 --> 00:30:49,518 The threat faced by Tracy Conley 644 00:30:49,577 --> 00:30:50,885 had nothing to do with the government. 645 00:30:51,412 --> 00:30:53,688 If you're talking about Access Nation, 646 00:30:53,748 --> 00:30:56,786 there's nothing in the law that prohibits what they did. 647 00:30:57,185 --> 00:31:01,031 They repeatedly sold personal information to a convicted criminal. 648 00:31:01,556 --> 00:31:04,059 Concern for Tracy Conley's safety was non-existent. 649 00:31:04,125 --> 00:31:05,160 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 650 00:31:05,226 --> 00:31:06,466 Yes. 651 00:31:07,762 --> 00:31:09,901 I've got those Grand Jury subpoenas. 652 00:31:09,964 --> 00:31:12,807 What subpoenas? Access Nation. 653 00:31:12,866 --> 00:31:13,867 LEWIN: Now, wait a minute. 654 00:31:14,501 --> 00:31:17,038 If we go after these people, we're going to have to prove they knew 655 00:31:17,104 --> 00:31:21,280 there was a danger here and that they recklessly chose to ignore it. 656 00:31:21,341 --> 00:31:23,184 SERENA: Take a look at what they're peddling. 657 00:31:23,243 --> 00:31:24,449 When they gave Rice the worm, 658 00:31:24,511 --> 00:31:27,355 they gave a predator the tools to stalk this woman. 659 00:31:28,482 --> 00:31:30,257 I've been doing some investigating on my own, 660 00:31:30,317 --> 00:31:31,990 and I've got both your files. 661 00:31:36,623 --> 00:31:39,125 You bank at Citibank. These are your account balances. 662 00:31:39,825 --> 00:31:41,566 I also got all the websites you've ever visited. 663 00:31:42,128 --> 00:31:44,472 And by the way, you really shouldn't use your grandmother's name 664 00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:46,703 as your password for absolutely everything. 665 00:31:47,533 --> 00:31:49,843 You're reading a biography by Eleanor Roosevelt. 666 00:31:49,902 --> 00:31:51,882 You listen to a lot of Beatles and fusion jazz, 667 00:31:51,937 --> 00:31:55,817 and you've got what I can only describe as a very weird obsession with the Clash. 668 00:31:55,875 --> 00:31:59,379 I know what movies you've rented and pretty much your entire medical history. 669 00:32:00,146 --> 00:32:02,854 And sumatriptan, is that for migraines? 670 00:32:04,015 --> 00:32:05,460 I could read yours. 671 00:32:10,889 --> 00:32:13,597 Rice may have killed her, but let's at least find out if Access Nation 672 00:32:13,658 --> 00:32:15,899 was the one who put the knife in his hand. 673 00:32:20,165 --> 00:32:22,611 Do you believe in the free flow of information, Mr. McCoy? 674 00:32:23,701 --> 00:32:26,705 Your willingness to apply that policy to a convicted rapist 675 00:32:26,771 --> 00:32:28,079 is precisely why we're here. 676 00:32:28,139 --> 00:32:30,084 Is there a question, Mr. McCoy? 677 00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:32,882 Virgil Rice retained the services of your company 678 00:32:32,943 --> 00:32:35,116 four different times. Each time he sought information about 679 00:32:35,179 --> 00:32:38,922 just one person. We'd like to know if you or anyone 680 00:32:38,982 --> 00:32:40,928 at Access Nation ever asked him why. 681 00:32:40,985 --> 00:32:42,828 BRANSON: You don't have to answer that, John. 682 00:32:42,886 --> 00:32:43,887 No, I wanna answer it. 683 00:32:44,488 --> 00:32:47,230 All of our clients fill out a detailed application, 684 00:32:47,291 --> 00:32:48,793 and in that application 685 00:32:48,859 --> 00:32:51,567 they're specifically asked whether or not they have a criminal record. 686 00:32:51,628 --> 00:32:53,665 And you just take their word for it? 687 00:32:54,364 --> 00:32:57,367 We're not selling guns, Ms. Southerlyn, we're selling information. 688 00:32:57,433 --> 00:32:58,935 Intimate information, 689 00:32:59,001 --> 00:33:01,447 which placed in the wrong hands led to a woman's death. 690 00:33:02,071 --> 00:33:03,744 If you're referring to Tracy Conley, 691 00:33:03,806 --> 00:33:05,911 you already have a defendant who pled guilty to her murder. 692 00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:09,390 Any other questions about that seem a little irrelevant now. 693 00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:10,947 We do simple detective work. 694 00:33:11,381 --> 00:33:13,361 All we do is follow the bread crumbs 695 00:33:13,416 --> 00:33:15,418 people leave behind as they surf the net. 696 00:33:15,818 --> 00:33:20,096 It's who you sell the bread crumbs to that concerns us, Mr. McDowell. 697 00:33:20,556 --> 00:33:22,432 I'm afraid this conversation is over. 698 00:33:22,858 --> 00:33:23,928 If you have any further questions, 699 00:33:23,992 --> 00:33:25,733 they're going to have to be in front of a Grand Jury. 700 00:33:33,168 --> 00:33:36,149 All the information to anyone who can pay and damn the consequences. 701 00:33:36,204 --> 00:33:37,615 Why not? There aren't any. 702 00:33:37,672 --> 00:33:39,811 What gets me is how they can sit across the table from us 703 00:33:39,875 --> 00:33:42,515 and claim that if they ask a question on a form that that covers it. 704 00:33:42,577 --> 00:33:45,183 What gets me is they think we buy it. 705 00:33:45,247 --> 00:33:46,885 Find out who Rice was dealing with. 706 00:33:46,948 --> 00:33:49,553 I doubt a company with that much access to information 707 00:33:49,617 --> 00:33:52,097 is as ignorant about their clients as they claim to be. 708 00:33:54,989 --> 00:33:57,663 Actually, I don't do investigative work anymore. 709 00:33:57,725 --> 00:33:59,762 I'm a manager now. A promotion. 710 00:33:59,827 --> 00:34:01,329 Must have been fairly recent. 711 00:34:01,395 --> 00:34:02,703 A few weeks ago. 712 00:34:02,763 --> 00:34:05,073 But prior to that, you were an online investigator. 713 00:34:05,132 --> 00:34:06,202 Right. 714 00:34:06,967 --> 00:34:10,141 One of the people you tracked was a woman named Tracy Conley. 715 00:34:11,005 --> 00:34:12,484 Name doesn't ring a bell. 716 00:34:13,374 --> 00:34:15,114 What about Virgil Rice? 717 00:34:16,209 --> 00:34:17,449 Sorry. 718 00:34:18,244 --> 00:34:20,884 You know, that surprises me, Mr. Kitson. 719 00:34:21,448 --> 00:34:23,485 Since you worked with Mr. Rice on four separate occasions, 720 00:34:23,550 --> 00:34:25,860 each one involving Tracy Conley. 721 00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:32,367 He's a convicted rapist. 722 00:34:33,793 --> 00:34:36,899 He used the information you sold him to murder this young woman. 723 00:34:37,797 --> 00:34:39,708 I just compile what's already out there. 724 00:34:39,766 --> 00:34:42,268 You can call an invasion of privacy whatever you want, 725 00:34:42,334 --> 00:34:44,541 but my boss intends to make an example of somebody. 726 00:34:44,603 --> 00:34:46,742 It can either be you or this company. 727 00:34:49,274 --> 00:34:51,413 I told John he lied. 728 00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:53,111 John McDowell. 729 00:34:53,178 --> 00:34:55,681 I told him Rice had a rape conviction. 730 00:34:56,615 --> 00:34:58,026 How did you find that out? 731 00:34:58,450 --> 00:35:01,954 Rice had multiple requests on the same target. I got curious. 732 00:35:05,024 --> 00:35:07,970 Only when I told McDowell about it, he got pissed. 733 00:35:08,025 --> 00:35:12,132 Told me it wasn't my job to be checking into the backgrounds of our clients. 734 00:35:14,832 --> 00:35:17,836 There's no question these people sold Rice the chat room postings 735 00:35:17,902 --> 00:35:19,779 with full knowledge of who he was. 736 00:35:20,405 --> 00:35:23,318 When Kitson informed McDowell, he was told to forget it. 737 00:35:23,374 --> 00:35:24,648 Then he got a promotion. 738 00:35:24,909 --> 00:35:26,820 Probably hoping he'd keep his mouth shut. 739 00:35:26,878 --> 00:35:27,982 I don't even think most people know 740 00:35:28,045 --> 00:35:29,649 that their chats are being archived. 741 00:35:29,747 --> 00:35:33,250 But once someone like Kitson tracks how you access the Internet, 742 00:35:33,316 --> 00:35:35,421 they can pretty much find out every site you've ever been to, 743 00:35:35,485 --> 00:35:37,931 and everything you've ever said online. 744 00:35:37,988 --> 00:35:39,729 Perhaps the privacy we're used to 745 00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:41,929 is a luxury we can no longer afford. 746 00:35:42,025 --> 00:35:44,528 Since when did closing the curtains on my private life 747 00:35:44,594 --> 00:35:46,073 ever become a luxury? 748 00:35:46,129 --> 00:35:48,336 Since people started crashing planes into buildings 749 00:35:48,398 --> 00:35:50,275 and trying to set their shoes on fire. 750 00:35:50,333 --> 00:35:53,678 No one's talking about limiting our ability to go after terrorists. 751 00:35:53,737 --> 00:35:57,241 What we're talking about is holding this company responsible 752 00:35:57,307 --> 00:35:59,718 for invading a woman's privacy for profit. 753 00:35:59,775 --> 00:36:02,779 Yes, except that it's companies like Access Nation 754 00:36:02,845 --> 00:36:04,722 who develop the technologies. 755 00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:07,761 I mean, the Feds have a worm, Magic Lantern, 756 00:36:07,816 --> 00:36:10,490 only they use it to catch terrorists, drug dealers. 757 00:36:11,053 --> 00:36:14,262 If we take away the private sector as a market for these products, 758 00:36:14,323 --> 00:36:15,734 we may never get them. 759 00:36:15,791 --> 00:36:17,828 And McDowell just gets a pass? 760 00:36:17,893 --> 00:36:21,102 If we take down McDowell for his violation of privacy, 761 00:36:21,163 --> 00:36:25,077 that opens the floodgates for lawyers to attack us and our methods. 762 00:36:25,134 --> 00:36:28,512 A judge has already forced us to cut a deal with one murderer. 763 00:36:28,570 --> 00:36:31,050 You wanna train the police so the courts don't undermine us, 764 00:36:31,105 --> 00:36:32,846 there's a whole unit to do that with. 765 00:36:32,907 --> 00:36:34,818 Tactical Assistance Response Unit. 766 00:36:34,876 --> 00:36:36,651 But we can't let someone get away with murder 767 00:36:36,711 --> 00:36:39,624 just because it might make catching someone else tougher down the road. 768 00:36:44,986 --> 00:36:46,693 I believe my attorney said any more questions 769 00:36:46,754 --> 00:36:47,960 would have to be in front of a Grand Jury. 770 00:36:48,022 --> 00:36:50,127 Yeah, well, we're here to help arrange that. 771 00:36:50,191 --> 00:36:51,965 What are you doing? What are you talking about? 772 00:36:52,025 --> 00:36:54,369 John McDowell, you're under arrest for manslaughter 773 00:36:54,428 --> 00:36:55,668 in the death of Tracy Conley. 774 00:36:55,729 --> 00:36:57,936 You gotta be kidding me. I wanna call my lawyer. 775 00:36:57,998 --> 00:37:00,979 How about we just post your arrest on the Internet instead? 776 00:37:01,635 --> 00:37:02,909 You think about it. 777 00:37:08,742 --> 00:37:12,315 KITSON: Every e-mail you send contains a hidden header with your IP address. 778 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,454 Assume we're all a little computer illiterate. 779 00:37:16,516 --> 00:37:17,892 KITSON: It's the network address 780 00:37:17,950 --> 00:37:20,294 your Internet provider uses to connect you. 781 00:37:20,353 --> 00:37:22,162 Once I link a person with it, 782 00:37:22,221 --> 00:37:24,360 I can search wherever that person's been online 783 00:37:24,423 --> 00:37:26,630 and what they've said or done once they got there. 784 00:37:27,493 --> 00:37:30,235 Did you track Tracy Conley using this method? 785 00:37:30,296 --> 00:37:31,604 For Virgil Rice. 786 00:37:32,298 --> 00:37:36,110 Did there come a time when your work for Mr. Rice began to concern you? 787 00:37:36,969 --> 00:37:39,609 Yes. When I found out he had a criminal record. 788 00:37:39,672 --> 00:37:41,618 Did you tell anyone about those concerns? 789 00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:44,712 I told Mr. McDowell. 790 00:37:44,776 --> 00:37:46,050 What was his reaction? 791 00:37:46,711 --> 00:37:49,988 He ordered me to stop checking into the backgrounds of clients. 792 00:37:50,048 --> 00:37:53,257 He said that it was against everything that the company stood for, 793 00:37:53,318 --> 00:37:55,559 that it was bad for business. 794 00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:56,997 JACK: No further questions. 795 00:37:59,658 --> 00:38:03,333 So, you knew Virgil Rice was a rapist? 796 00:38:03,795 --> 00:38:04,796 KITSON: Yes. 797 00:38:04,863 --> 00:38:06,365 After you allegedly had this conversation, 798 00:38:06,431 --> 00:38:08,104 did you do anything about it? 799 00:38:09,034 --> 00:38:10,069 No. 800 00:38:10,135 --> 00:38:11,340 Did you contact Tracy Conley? 801 00:38:11,402 --> 00:38:12,437 No. 802 00:38:12,503 --> 00:38:14,005 Did you warn her in any way? 803 00:38:14,071 --> 00:38:16,608 Mr. McDowell told me not to do anything. 804 00:38:17,074 --> 00:38:20,783 Do you have any proof of this conversation you said you had 805 00:38:20,844 --> 00:38:22,915 with Mr. McDowell a few months ago? 806 00:38:25,249 --> 00:38:26,887 No, but... Mr. Kitson, 807 00:38:27,551 --> 00:38:29,929 the prosecutor's office came to visit you a few weeks ago 808 00:38:29,987 --> 00:38:33,059 and asked you some questions about your online investigation, didn't they? 809 00:38:33,123 --> 00:38:34,158 Yes. 810 00:38:34,224 --> 00:38:37,136 Isn't it a fair statement that if you didn't implicate Mr. McDowell, 811 00:38:37,193 --> 00:38:39,673 you might very well be the one on trial here today? 812 00:38:39,729 --> 00:38:41,072 Objection. 813 00:38:41,564 --> 00:38:42,668 Withdrawn. 814 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,110 No further questions, Your Honor. 815 00:38:48,805 --> 00:38:51,513 BRANSON: How did you feel about the death of Tracy Conley? 816 00:38:51,808 --> 00:38:53,151 Just horrible. 817 00:38:53,643 --> 00:38:57,250 Did you have any idea that Virgil Rice posed a threat to her? 818 00:38:57,313 --> 00:38:58,417 No. 819 00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:00,984 Did Robert Kitson ever tell you that Virgil Rice had a criminal record? 820 00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:02,120 No. 821 00:39:02,185 --> 00:39:05,631 In his own application, Mr. Rice denied having a record? 822 00:39:05,687 --> 00:39:07,064 That's right. 823 00:39:08,056 --> 00:39:09,592 Did you ever check that information? 824 00:39:09,658 --> 00:39:12,969 In the first place, we guarantee the privacy of our clients. 825 00:39:13,028 --> 00:39:17,374 Secondly, we view ourselves as a company that helps people stay safe. 826 00:39:18,133 --> 00:39:19,908 The public uses our service 827 00:39:19,968 --> 00:39:22,539 to find out if a child's teacher has a drug problem, 828 00:39:23,738 --> 00:39:26,651 if their nannies or caregivers have a criminal record. 829 00:39:26,708 --> 00:39:28,585 We track deadbeat dads. 830 00:39:28,643 --> 00:39:30,451 The government even uses our service on occasion. 831 00:39:30,511 --> 00:39:33,117 But aren't you trading in people's secrets? 832 00:39:33,714 --> 00:39:36,627 I think we've all learned over these past months 833 00:39:36,684 --> 00:39:40,894 that the more information that is available to us, the better. 834 00:39:41,389 --> 00:39:43,630 There are plenty of dangerous people out there. 835 00:39:43,691 --> 00:39:46,365 And I think most people are more concerned with being safe 836 00:39:46,427 --> 00:39:48,634 than with hiding the books they read. 837 00:39:50,364 --> 00:39:52,071 SERENA: He's turning the trial into a referendum 838 00:39:52,133 --> 00:39:55,272 on whether the jury should be able to investigate their babysitters. 839 00:39:55,335 --> 00:39:57,076 Well, you can't blame them for wanting to know 840 00:39:57,137 --> 00:39:59,117 if their neighbor's part of a terrorist cell. 841 00:39:59,172 --> 00:40:02,346 What happens when the terrorist wants to know about them? 842 00:40:02,408 --> 00:40:05,355 Those chat room posts were a loaded gun. 843 00:40:05,412 --> 00:40:07,790 McDowell has to be held accountable for who he sold them to. 844 00:40:07,847 --> 00:40:10,088 I agree. There have to be standards for who gets access 845 00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:11,652 to that kind of information. 846 00:40:11,718 --> 00:40:13,129 You're talking about principles 847 00:40:13,186 --> 00:40:15,291 I've been fighting for my entire career. 848 00:40:15,355 --> 00:40:17,494 But when the bullets are flying... 849 00:40:18,725 --> 00:40:20,295 I had that tactical unit check to see 850 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,532 if they could find any internal memos or documents. 851 00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:24,267 They came up empty handed. 852 00:40:24,329 --> 00:40:27,242 Well, the government's always two steps behind the bad guys. 853 00:40:27,299 --> 00:40:28,505 One of our techies that I talked to 854 00:40:28,567 --> 00:40:31,946 told me that hackers actually chuckle at some of the technology we still use. 855 00:40:33,105 --> 00:40:35,176 Then maybe we should be talking to the hackers. 856 00:40:39,211 --> 00:40:41,350 JACK: Open access is a good thing? 857 00:40:42,414 --> 00:40:43,825 I believe so, yes. 858 00:40:44,516 --> 00:40:47,394 Should a child molester be able to get access 859 00:40:47,451 --> 00:40:49,658 to a list of children living in his neighborhood? 860 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,358 Ideally, no. 861 00:40:51,422 --> 00:40:53,698 But he could buy that information from your company. 862 00:40:53,758 --> 00:40:55,169 Yes, I suppose he could. 863 00:40:55,226 --> 00:40:58,264 However, we ask our customers about criminal records. 864 00:40:58,329 --> 00:40:59,706 Did you ever consider the possibility 865 00:40:59,764 --> 00:41:02,335 that someone with a criminal record might actually lie about it? 866 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,401 Objection! 867 00:41:03,701 --> 00:41:04,907 Overruled. 868 00:41:05,236 --> 00:41:08,649 It's not my responsibility to keep people from using information 869 00:41:08,706 --> 00:41:10,344 in away that might hurt others. 870 00:41:10,408 --> 00:41:13,082 Information doesn't kill people. People kill people. 871 00:41:14,144 --> 00:41:17,091 I understand that someone was hurt in this case. 872 00:41:17,614 --> 00:41:19,525 If I had any idea that that might happen, 873 00:41:19,583 --> 00:41:21,062 I never would have taken the risk. 874 00:41:21,117 --> 00:41:22,323 Really? Because that's not what you said 875 00:41:22,385 --> 00:41:24,331 in your e-mails, Mr. McDowell. 876 00:41:29,593 --> 00:41:30,936 I don't know what you're talking about. 877 00:41:31,561 --> 00:41:33,438 Didn't you ask your lawyers eight months ago 878 00:41:33,497 --> 00:41:35,875 whether your company might be liable 879 00:41:35,932 --> 00:41:37,878 if someone were harmed as a result of your service? 880 00:41:37,934 --> 00:41:39,004 Objection! 881 00:41:39,069 --> 00:41:40,877 Conversations with counsel are privileged. 882 00:41:40,936 --> 00:41:43,041 Judge, I can establish a crime fraud exception 883 00:41:43,105 --> 00:41:44,448 to any privilege claim here. 884 00:41:44,774 --> 00:41:46,754 Chambers, now. 885 00:41:48,477 --> 00:41:50,081 Just what are you doing, Mr. McCoy? 886 00:41:50,145 --> 00:41:53,058 Availing ourselves of the information age, Your Honor. 887 00:41:53,115 --> 00:41:55,493 Eight months ago another one of Mr. McDowell's investigators 888 00:41:55,551 --> 00:41:57,087 came to him with concerns about a client 889 00:41:57,153 --> 00:41:59,759 whose wife had an order of protection out against him. 890 00:41:59,822 --> 00:42:01,199 This client was trying to locate 891 00:42:01,257 --> 00:42:03,328 the shelter his wife was staying in. 892 00:42:03,392 --> 00:42:05,599 Mr. McDowell's counsel advised him 893 00:42:05,661 --> 00:42:07,936 to stop checking his clients' backgrounds. 894 00:42:07,996 --> 00:42:09,168 Where did you get all this? 895 00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:12,803 Your company is not the only game in town, Mr. McDowell. 896 00:42:13,668 --> 00:42:17,013 The People retained the services of one of your competitors. 897 00:42:17,071 --> 00:42:20,678 It took them less than a day to find the e-mails that went back and forth. 898 00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:23,555 Apparently nothing is ever really deleted. 899 00:42:24,579 --> 00:42:25,887 McDOWELL: This is outrageous. 900 00:42:25,947 --> 00:42:27,119 SERENA: It doesn't feel good, does it? 901 00:42:27,181 --> 00:42:28,455 None of this matters. 902 00:42:28,516 --> 00:42:30,757 Legal advice to a client is still privileged. 903 00:42:30,818 --> 00:42:33,354 Not if he was advised to act in a reckless manner. 904 00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:34,558 BRANSON: That is absurd. 905 00:42:34,621 --> 00:42:36,567 If Mr. McDowell sought the advice of counsel, 906 00:42:36,623 --> 00:42:38,603 how can he be considered reckless? 907 00:42:38,659 --> 00:42:40,935 JACK: The point of the crime fraud exception 908 00:42:40,994 --> 00:42:43,873 is to discourage attorneys from dispensing advice 909 00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:47,776 that counsels people to engage in criminal conduct, 910 00:42:47,834 --> 00:42:49,245 which is what your lawyer did 911 00:42:49,303 --> 00:42:51,806 when he advised you against background checks. 912 00:42:52,372 --> 00:42:54,875 Neither of them can hide behind the privilege shield. 913 00:42:56,510 --> 00:43:00,082 I suggest you talk to your client about a plea, Counselor, 914 00:43:00,146 --> 00:43:02,649 then I suggest you get your own lawyer. 915 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,461 Three-to-nine years in prison. 916 00:43:09,522 --> 00:43:11,661 Plus the 15 Virgil Rice got. 917 00:43:11,724 --> 00:43:14,796 That should give some peace to Tracy Conley's family. 918 00:43:15,361 --> 00:43:18,774 Internet-tracking, face-recognition software, 919 00:43:18,831 --> 00:43:21,141 national ID cards, it's getting really frightening. 920 00:43:21,701 --> 00:43:23,237 JACK: If people have to choose, 921 00:43:23,302 --> 00:43:26,009 they'll trade privacy for safety every time. 922 00:43:26,705 --> 00:43:30,778 That's the problem, though. You trade one for the other, you could end up losing both.