1 00:00:10,510 --> 00:00:10,719 . 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:11,720 - In the criminal justice system, 3 00:00:12,512 --> 00:00:13,847 the people are represented 4 00:00:13,888 --> 00:00:16,391 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 5 00:00:16,433 --> 00:00:18,184 the police, who investigate crime, 6 00:00:18,226 --> 00:00:21,146 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 7 00:00:21,187 --> 00:00:23,398 These are their stories. 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,026 - * Okay, stress me on checkers or chess * 9 00:00:26,067 --> 00:00:29,279 * I don't play by the rules if you guessed it * 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,781 * We about to run it up, run it up * 11 00:00:31,823 --> 00:00:35,660 * We about to run it up, run it up, run * 12 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:38,204 * We about to run it up, run it up * 13 00:00:38,246 --> 00:00:42,292 [engine revving] [alarm blaring] 14 00:00:42,334 --> 00:00:45,253 [tense music] 15 00:00:45,295 --> 00:00:46,671 * * 16 00:00:46,713 --> 00:00:48,673 [gun clicks] 17 00:00:51,092 --> 00:00:52,677 [siren wailing] 18 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:54,596 - Hell of a way to start your day, huh? 19 00:00:54,637 --> 00:00:56,806 - Yeah, I'm not sure it's actually started yet. 20 00:00:56,848 --> 00:00:58,058 - Not a morning person? 21 00:00:58,099 --> 00:00:59,476 - Oh, I love a morning. 22 00:00:59,517 --> 00:01:02,729 4:00 a.m.? Still last night. 23 00:01:02,771 --> 00:01:03,730 What are we looking at? 24 00:01:03,772 --> 00:01:06,232 - Oh, DOA, took one in the chest. 25 00:01:06,274 --> 00:01:07,984 No wallet, no phone. 26 00:01:08,026 --> 00:01:10,195 Bodega owner down the street heard the shot around 2:00 a.m. 27 00:01:10,236 --> 00:01:11,905 and called it in but didn't see anything. 28 00:01:11,946 --> 00:01:13,365 - Okay. 29 00:01:13,406 --> 00:01:14,741 Pricey clothes. 30 00:01:14,783 --> 00:01:16,201 Bet he had an expensive watch too. 31 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:17,535 - Yeah. 32 00:01:17,577 --> 00:01:18,828 Could be looking at an old-fashioned robbery. 33 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:20,330 - Maybe. - Detectives. 34 00:01:20,372 --> 00:01:21,873 We found this in the bushes over there. 35 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:23,958 - Thank you. - Empty. 36 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,961 - So the killer took the cash, tossed the wallet. 37 00:01:27,003 --> 00:01:28,463 - Evan Marks. 38 00:01:30,131 --> 00:01:32,801 - The tech guy. - CEO of VenZip? 39 00:01:32,842 --> 00:01:35,887 - Damn, VenZip is how I pay for everything these days. 40 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:37,555 You don't use it? - No, man. 41 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:39,516 I'm not trusting my bank info to an app. 42 00:01:39,557 --> 00:01:41,351 - [laughs] 43 00:01:41,393 --> 00:01:44,104 Okay, so the headquarters is across the street. 44 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:46,773 - He's at the office late. 45 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:49,442 - The guy's a billionaire, bragging about the fact 46 00:01:49,484 --> 00:01:52,278 that he's about to single- handedly make cash obsolete. 47 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,822 - So what's a guy like that doing at an ATM 48 00:01:53,863 --> 00:01:55,198 at 2:00 in the morning? 49 00:01:58,451 --> 00:02:01,621 [dramatic music] 50 00:02:01,663 --> 00:02:08,586 * * 51 00:02:44,706 --> 00:02:46,499 - Bank records confirm Evan Marks 52 00:02:46,541 --> 00:02:48,668 made a withdrawal from the ATM just before the shooting. 53 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:49,711 Thanks. 54 00:02:49,753 --> 00:02:52,547 2 grand, maximum amount allowed. 55 00:02:52,589 --> 00:02:54,215 - That's a lot of money for that hour of night. 56 00:02:54,257 --> 00:02:55,675 - Mm. 57 00:02:55,717 --> 00:02:57,385 We're agreeing to call it night now. 58 00:02:57,427 --> 00:02:59,596 - Hey, does anyone know who James Sawyer is? 59 00:02:59,637 --> 00:03:01,306 - Yeah, he's like a god in the tech world. 60 00:03:01,348 --> 00:03:03,558 - Well, apparently, he is also a co-founder 61 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,060 of our vic's company. 62 00:03:05,101 --> 00:03:07,479 - Evan Marks and James Sawyer are like the dream team 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,523 of Silicon Valley-- or at least they were. 64 00:03:10,565 --> 00:03:12,901 - Well, Sawyer just posted this on his social media. 65 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:15,528 "Evan Marks was one of the greatest minds 66 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:18,406 "of our generation. The NYPD should be ashamed. 67 00:03:18,448 --> 00:03:20,408 "Violent street crime is out of control, 68 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:23,578 and Evan's blood is on their hands." 69 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:25,705 - So Marks's murder is somehow our fault now? 70 00:03:25,747 --> 00:03:28,541 - Well, apparently, according to James Sawyer, it is. 71 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:30,418 - And that guy has got millions of followers 72 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:31,961 that worship him as a genius. 73 00:03:32,003 --> 00:03:34,714 - And every one of them is reposting this nonsense. 74 00:03:34,756 --> 00:03:36,716 Look, we gotta wrap this up. What do we got? 75 00:03:36,758 --> 00:03:38,677 - We tried pinging Marks's stolen phone, 76 00:03:38,718 --> 00:03:40,845 but we didn't get anything. Killer likely turned it off. 77 00:03:40,887 --> 00:03:43,223 - Still canvassing for video, but so far, nothing. 78 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:44,974 - But he still slipped up. 79 00:03:45,016 --> 00:03:46,393 Techs were able to lift a partial print 80 00:03:46,434 --> 00:03:49,020 from Marks's wallet, and I got a hit. 81 00:03:49,062 --> 00:03:51,439 Blake Hughes, also known as G-Ticket. 82 00:03:51,481 --> 00:03:53,066 - G-Ticket? - He's a rapper. 83 00:03:53,108 --> 00:03:56,111 And it actually looks like he's pretty popular on SoundCloud. 84 00:03:56,152 --> 00:03:59,030 But what is of interest is his list of priors-- 85 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:02,450 possession with intent to sell, aggravated assault, 86 00:04:02,492 --> 00:04:03,952 robbery in the first degree. 87 00:04:03,993 --> 00:04:05,787 - Go, go. 88 00:04:08,957 --> 00:04:12,002 [hip-hop music playing indistinctly] 89 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:16,131 * * 90 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:18,925 - That part was fire. 91 00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:20,218 Yo, yo, yo. What's going on? Can I help you? 92 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:21,553 - Yeah, NYPD, my guy. 93 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:23,096 We need to talk to your friend right there. 94 00:04:23,138 --> 00:04:25,598 [suspenseful music] 95 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,642 - Come on. Let's go. - Oh, come on. 96 00:04:29,978 --> 00:04:31,813 - Hey! - Yo! 97 00:04:31,855 --> 00:04:38,445 * * 98 00:04:41,322 --> 00:04:43,908 - [groans] Get off me! 99 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:45,368 I ain't done nothing. - Yeah? 100 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:46,411 Well, we both know that's not true. 101 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:48,121 Just stop, all right? Stop. 102 00:04:48,163 --> 00:04:49,414 Stop. 103 00:04:52,625 --> 00:04:53,752 Give me your arm. Give me your arm. 104 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:56,004 - Well, this looks like 2,000 bucks. 105 00:04:56,046 --> 00:05:00,258 - Blake Hughes, you're under arrest. 106 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,135 - We know it was you. 107 00:05:02,177 --> 00:05:04,387 Your cell phone data puts you in the Meatpacking District 108 00:05:04,429 --> 00:05:05,889 last night, right around the area 109 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:07,057 Marks was murdered. 110 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:08,558 - We got your fingerprints on his wallet. 111 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,684 We caught you with his phone and his watch. 112 00:05:09,726 --> 00:05:11,519 - Nah, man, that ain't it. 113 00:05:11,561 --> 00:05:15,231 Look, I was there, but... 114 00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:16,941 I knew the guy. We were friends. 115 00:05:16,983 --> 00:05:18,610 - Oh, you and Evan Marks were friends. 116 00:05:18,651 --> 00:05:19,944 I gotta hear this one. 117 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:21,696 - We met last year at Coachella. 118 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:23,031 He was a fan of my music. 119 00:05:23,073 --> 00:05:24,616 - All right, so what were you doing 120 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:26,451 outside his place of business at 2:00 a.m. last night? 121 00:05:26,493 --> 00:05:28,828 - He asked me to come meet him. 122 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:32,457 He--he would buy off of me sometimes. 123 00:05:32,499 --> 00:05:34,209 Dude love to party. 124 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:35,669 I mean, party. 125 00:05:35,710 --> 00:05:37,671 Like, he wanted ketamine, acid, shrooms. 126 00:05:37,712 --> 00:05:39,673 - Okay, so you were there to sell him drugs. 127 00:05:39,714 --> 00:05:41,132 - Just so we're clear, I'm out of that game. 128 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:43,051 - [laughs] - Clearly. 129 00:05:43,093 --> 00:05:45,220 - I would make an exception for Evan. 130 00:05:45,261 --> 00:05:47,305 That stuff you found, I mean, I only had it 131 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:50,517 because I wanted to stay on his good side, you know? 132 00:05:50,558 --> 00:05:54,187 Look, I was hoping he'd give me money to-- 133 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:55,522 to produce my album. 134 00:05:55,563 --> 00:05:57,607 - Okay, so just help me out. 135 00:05:57,649 --> 00:05:59,192 What went wrong? Why did you shoot him? 136 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:00,443 - I didn't. 137 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:02,112 When I got there, he was already 138 00:06:02,153 --> 00:06:03,613 arguing with some other guy. 139 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:05,532 So I didn't wanna get involved. 140 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:07,450 I hung back, stayed out of sight. 141 00:06:07,492 --> 00:06:08,868 They started yelling at each other. 142 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:10,662 Next thing I knew, there was a gunshot, 143 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:12,330 and the other dude ran off. 144 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:15,333 - And how did you end up with Marks's money and his watch? 145 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:18,545 - After the guy ran away, I went to go check on Evan, 146 00:06:18,586 --> 00:06:20,338 see if he was okay. 147 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:23,591 But he was already dead. 148 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:26,511 - So you're telling me you robbed your dead friend? 149 00:06:26,553 --> 00:06:29,556 - Look, I'm not proud of it, but studio time is expensive. 150 00:06:29,597 --> 00:06:31,391 - All right, in any event, 151 00:06:31,433 --> 00:06:32,434 you didn't happen to get a good look 152 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:34,060 at this other guy, did you? 153 00:06:34,102 --> 00:06:37,647 - No, but I did overhear some of their conversation. 154 00:06:37,689 --> 00:06:39,441 Their argument, they were-- 155 00:06:40,775 --> 00:06:43,236 They were fighting over a woman. 156 00:06:43,278 --> 00:06:44,529 - What makes you say that? 157 00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:47,407 - The dude said, "You turned her against me," 158 00:06:47,449 --> 00:06:48,908 or something like that. 159 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:53,121 And Marks was all, "She doesn't need you anymore." 160 00:06:53,163 --> 00:06:56,082 [suspenseful music] 161 00:06:56,124 --> 00:07:00,086 * * 162 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:01,588 - We found some pretty raunchy texts 163 00:07:01,629 --> 00:07:03,673 between you and Evan Marks. 164 00:07:03,715 --> 00:07:06,134 What was the nature of your relationship with him? 165 00:07:06,176 --> 00:07:07,177 - Oh, God. 166 00:07:07,218 --> 00:07:09,346 I've known Evan forever. 167 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:12,140 We first met in Aspen, I think. 168 00:07:12,182 --> 00:07:14,768 - Were you two romantically involved? 169 00:07:14,809 --> 00:07:17,479 - You mean, were we sleeping together? 170 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,481 Yeah, sometimes. 171 00:07:19,522 --> 00:07:22,400 But we weren't dating or anything. 172 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:25,820 It was just two friends exploring, 173 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:27,906 finding joy together. 174 00:07:27,947 --> 00:07:30,200 - You know anybody who might have been jealous of this joy? 175 00:07:30,241 --> 00:07:33,411 - Jealous of me and Evan sleeping together? 176 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:34,454 No. 177 00:07:34,496 --> 00:07:35,872 - Hey, Lace. 178 00:07:35,914 --> 00:07:37,207 I have to be at the gallery till 3:00, 179 00:07:37,248 --> 00:07:39,459 so I picked us up some lunch. 180 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:41,211 - Afternoon. 181 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:42,545 - What's going on? 182 00:07:42,587 --> 00:07:46,508 - Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw. 183 00:07:46,549 --> 00:07:47,550 And you are? 184 00:07:47,592 --> 00:07:49,135 - Craig Walsh. 185 00:07:49,177 --> 00:07:50,136 Is this about Evan? 186 00:07:50,178 --> 00:07:52,180 - It is. 187 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:53,306 How well do you know him? 188 00:07:53,348 --> 00:07:54,766 - Mm, well. 189 00:07:54,808 --> 00:07:56,017 He officiated our wedding. 190 00:07:58,687 --> 00:08:00,980 - You guys are married? - Yeah. 191 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:04,984 - Mr. Walsh, where were you last night around 2:00 a.m.? 192 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:05,944 - [scoffs] 193 00:08:08,113 --> 00:08:09,572 I want a lawyer. 194 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:13,702 - Magic word, okay. Call him to the precinct. 195 00:08:13,743 --> 00:08:18,081 * * 196 00:08:23,378 --> 00:08:23,753 . 197 00:08:23,795 --> 00:08:24,379 - Spoke to your doorman. 198 00:08:25,338 --> 00:08:26,715 According to him, you and your wife 199 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:29,134 didn't get home last night until after 4:00 a.m. 200 00:08:29,175 --> 00:08:31,511 - Which does not look good since Marks 201 00:08:31,553 --> 00:08:32,804 was killed around 2:00. 202 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:34,681 - I would never kill Evan. 203 00:08:34,723 --> 00:08:36,182 I loved the guy. 204 00:08:36,224 --> 00:08:37,225 - Bet you didn't love him 205 00:08:37,267 --> 00:08:38,435 sleeping with your wife, though, huh? 206 00:08:38,476 --> 00:08:42,063 - Lacy and I have an open marriage. 207 00:08:42,105 --> 00:08:43,773 - Okay. 208 00:08:43,815 --> 00:08:46,609 Then where were you last night? 209 00:08:46,651 --> 00:08:48,570 - It'll be fine. Just tell them. 210 00:08:48,611 --> 00:08:50,655 [suspenseful music] 211 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:54,117 - I was at the VenZip offices. So was Lacy. 212 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:55,910 - So you were with him Evan Marks. 213 00:08:55,952 --> 00:08:57,704 - And a lot of other people. 214 00:08:57,746 --> 00:08:58,913 There was a party. 215 00:08:58,955 --> 00:09:00,999 - Oh, yeah? What kind of party was that? 216 00:09:04,085 --> 00:09:06,880 - There's an underground scene for people 217 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:09,674 of a certain caliber. 218 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:11,217 It's called the Lifestyle. 219 00:09:11,259 --> 00:09:14,054 - Lifestyle? - I did not name it. 220 00:09:14,095 --> 00:09:16,556 Evan was super into the whole thing. 221 00:09:16,598 --> 00:09:19,601 It was his idea to throw one of the parties at his office. 222 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:21,978 - You know, you really didn't need a lawyer to tell us this. 223 00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:26,232 - We're talking about an invite-only situation here. 224 00:09:26,274 --> 00:09:28,860 And people that attend these things are big time. 225 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:31,363 Guests have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. 226 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:33,073 I wanted to make sure I wouldn't get in trouble. 227 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:35,075 - And what kind of things are going on at this party 228 00:09:35,116 --> 00:09:36,534 that people have to sign an NDA? 229 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:37,911 - Nothing bad. 230 00:09:37,952 --> 00:09:41,081 It's just a way to create safe space for powerful 231 00:09:41,122 --> 00:09:43,750 and, you know, famous people to relax, 232 00:09:43,792 --> 00:09:47,921 expanding the mind to break old paradigms. 233 00:09:47,962 --> 00:09:50,590 - And by expanding the mind, you mean... 234 00:09:50,632 --> 00:09:52,676 taking ketamine, mushrooms? 235 00:09:54,803 --> 00:09:56,179 We're Homicide detectives, okay? 236 00:09:56,221 --> 00:09:57,681 We're not here to bust you for recreational drug use. 237 00:09:57,722 --> 00:09:59,474 - Yeah. 238 00:09:59,516 --> 00:10:01,810 Everyone parties. 239 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:03,978 And at some point, Evan got worried 240 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:06,439 supplies were running low, so he left for a re-up. 241 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:08,942 But he never came back. 242 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:10,944 Then someone looked down and saw 243 00:10:10,985 --> 00:10:12,987 the police cars on the street. 244 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:17,951 Everyone freaked out. 245 00:10:17,992 --> 00:10:21,079 So we left out the back exit of the building. 246 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:23,707 - Well, the point is, my client and his wife 247 00:10:23,748 --> 00:10:25,959 were in the VenZip offices on the 27th floor 248 00:10:26,001 --> 00:10:27,502 when Evan Marks was shot. 249 00:10:27,544 --> 00:10:30,964 - No, the point is, Counselor, your client has to prove it. 250 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:35,635 [upbeat dance music playing] 251 00:10:35,677 --> 00:10:42,767 * * 252 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:48,857 - The planet is gonna run out of water, like, soon. 253 00:10:48,898 --> 00:10:53,236 That's something everyone needs to survive. 254 00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:58,074 - Whoever figures that out is gonna make a lot of money. 255 00:10:58,116 --> 00:11:02,162 - And change the world. - And change the world. 256 00:11:02,203 --> 00:11:03,997 - That's the video Craig Walsh shot at the party. 257 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:05,165 - People are higher than 258 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:06,332 the Chrysler Building in that thing. 259 00:11:06,374 --> 00:11:08,168 - Maybe so, but the time stamp proves 260 00:11:08,209 --> 00:11:10,295 that they were at the party when Marks was shot. 261 00:11:10,337 --> 00:11:14,674 - So if Marks was killed over a woman, it wasn't Lacy Stevens. 262 00:11:14,716 --> 00:11:16,509 - Doesn't look like it. 263 00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:19,596 - Yeah, but those Lifestyle parties are basically just 264 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:21,639 orgies for tech nerds, right? 265 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:22,932 Odds are Lacy wasn't the only one 266 00:11:22,974 --> 00:11:24,601 he was romantically involved with. 267 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:26,061 [knocking] - Hey. 268 00:11:26,102 --> 00:11:28,229 I scrubbed through Marks's phone and email 269 00:11:28,271 --> 00:11:30,482 like you asked, looking for other possible girlfriends, 270 00:11:30,523 --> 00:11:32,359 and I might have something. 271 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,944 I found several references to a woman named Eva, 272 00:11:34,986 --> 00:11:36,946 messages that he sent to friends saying 273 00:11:36,988 --> 00:11:38,656 he couldn't wait to introduce them to her. 274 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:40,617 - You get a last name? - Negative. 275 00:11:40,658 --> 00:11:43,370 And I also couldn't find any Eva in his contact lists. 276 00:11:43,411 --> 00:11:45,372 - What's the over/under this Eva also has a husband? 277 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:47,207 - You know, Craig Walsh did eventually give up 278 00:11:47,248 --> 00:11:49,709 the contact info for the woman who runs the invite list 279 00:11:49,751 --> 00:11:50,835 for those Lifestyle parties. 280 00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:52,420 - Let's go talk to her. 281 00:11:52,462 --> 00:11:55,924 If she made up the guest list, maybe she knows who Eva is. 282 00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,595 - Never heard of her. 283 00:12:00,637 --> 00:12:02,639 - But you're the one who puts these parties together, right? 284 00:12:02,681 --> 00:12:04,516 - I'm not a party promoter. 285 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:06,893 I'm a psychedelic doula. 286 00:12:06,935 --> 00:12:08,561 - And that entails what, exactly? 287 00:12:08,603 --> 00:12:12,315 - I curate bespoke experiences for high-end clients 288 00:12:12,357 --> 00:12:15,026 interested in exploring the psychological 289 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:17,946 and intellectual benefits of psychotropic substances. 290 00:12:17,987 --> 00:12:19,531 - You do realize that those substances 291 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:20,865 are against the law? 292 00:12:20,907 --> 00:12:22,909 - I neither provide nor partake myself. 293 00:12:22,951 --> 00:12:25,495 Everything I do is perfectly legal. 294 00:12:25,537 --> 00:12:28,915 Clients come to me, and I coordinate groups whose auras 295 00:12:28,957 --> 00:12:31,751 are a good match and make arrangements for them 296 00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:34,212 to exchange energies and ideas. 297 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:38,174 - This aura matching, it never involved a woman named Eva? 298 00:12:38,216 --> 00:12:39,509 - No. 299 00:12:39,551 --> 00:12:40,885 - What about any men that might have had an issue 300 00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:43,096 with Marks's relationships with other women? 301 00:12:43,138 --> 00:12:45,098 - Evan did mention that earlier that day 302 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:47,642 he'd gotten into a big fight with James, 303 00:12:47,684 --> 00:12:48,810 his business partner. 304 00:12:48,852 --> 00:12:50,437 - You mean James Sawyer? - Yeah. 305 00:12:50,478 --> 00:12:52,564 Evan said the fight was intense. 306 00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:55,483 Apparently, James was so upset he punched a hole in the wall. 307 00:12:55,525 --> 00:12:57,485 - Did Evan ever tell you what the fight was about? 308 00:12:57,527 --> 00:12:59,946 - No, but I do know that James does not 309 00:12:59,988 --> 00:13:02,115 approve of the Lifestyle. 310 00:13:02,157 --> 00:13:04,325 He's very uptight-- 311 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:07,037 much more the type to be territorial over a woman. 312 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:13,543 - I'm sorry, Mr. Sawyer, but your plane's been grounded, 313 00:13:13,585 --> 00:13:14,711 and I'm being told to wait. 314 00:13:14,753 --> 00:13:16,713 - I wanna talk to your manager. 315 00:13:16,755 --> 00:13:19,424 - You can talk to us. 316 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:22,427 Hi. Detective Riley. This is Detective Shaw. 317 00:13:22,469 --> 00:13:23,928 We tried stopping by your office, 318 00:13:23,970 --> 00:13:24,971 and your assistant told us were making 319 00:13:25,013 --> 00:13:26,097 a little unexpected trip. 320 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:27,349 - Did you ground my plane? 321 00:13:27,390 --> 00:13:28,558 - It seems like you're in a rush. 322 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,102 Where you headed? - Why does that matter? 323 00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:32,979 - Let's go have a little talk over here, okay? 324 00:13:35,774 --> 00:13:37,817 - Word on the street is that you and Evan Marks 325 00:13:37,859 --> 00:13:39,486 had quite the fight last night. 326 00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:42,113 - We had an argument. It's not uncommon. 327 00:13:42,155 --> 00:13:43,698 We're both passionate people. 328 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:45,075 - You guys argue about a woman? 329 00:13:45,116 --> 00:13:46,993 - A woman? No. 330 00:13:47,035 --> 00:13:49,079 If word got out that the C-suite is throwing 331 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,498 drug-fueled sex parties at corporate HQ, 332 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:52,832 it's gonna be a problem. 333 00:13:52,874 --> 00:13:54,376 - Marks didn't agree? 334 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:56,044 - Evan didn't care that his Burning Man nonsense 335 00:13:56,086 --> 00:13:58,046 doesn't exactly fly with investors. 336 00:13:58,088 --> 00:14:00,548 But if you think I had anything to do 337 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:02,884 with what happened, you're crazy. 338 00:14:02,926 --> 00:14:05,178 Evan wasn't just my business partner. 339 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:06,721 He was my best friend. 340 00:14:06,763 --> 00:14:10,016 - If you had nothing to do with his murder, why skip town? 341 00:14:10,058 --> 00:14:12,227 - I'm not skipping town. 342 00:14:12,268 --> 00:14:15,355 I'm flying to San Francisco to meet with a crisis PR team. 343 00:14:15,397 --> 00:14:18,066 Evan's death sent the company's stock into a spiral. 344 00:14:18,108 --> 00:14:19,484 I'm gonna go mitigate the fallout. 345 00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:21,027 - All right, where were you last night? 346 00:14:21,069 --> 00:14:23,780 - D.C. Flew back this morning. 347 00:14:23,822 --> 00:14:27,367 Look, Evan was like a brother to me, 348 00:14:27,409 --> 00:14:29,744 which meant sometimes we fought like brothers too. 349 00:14:29,786 --> 00:14:32,664 - You guys ever fight over Eva? 350 00:14:32,706 --> 00:14:34,374 - Eva? 351 00:14:34,416 --> 00:14:36,876 No, that was completely under Evan's purview. 352 00:14:36,918 --> 00:14:39,421 I didn't really get involved. 353 00:14:39,462 --> 00:14:41,297 What does Eva have to do with any of this? 354 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:43,341 - You tell us. We don't even know who she is. 355 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:47,512 - Eva isn't a woman. 356 00:14:47,554 --> 00:14:49,556 She's a software program, 357 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:52,017 specifically artificial intelligence. 358 00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:54,978 She's the most advanced AI ever achieved. 359 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:59,482 * * 360 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:06,531 . 361 00:15:06,573 --> 00:15:07,532 - Allow me to introduce you to EVA, 362 00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:11,995 short for Electronic Virtual Assistant. 363 00:15:12,037 --> 00:15:13,955 She's artificial intelligence on a level 364 00:15:13,997 --> 00:15:16,374 no one's ever seen before. 365 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,543 - You and Evan Marks ever have any disagreements 366 00:15:18,585 --> 00:15:21,296 about her or it? 367 00:15:21,338 --> 00:15:22,922 - Research shows that people prefer 368 00:15:22,964 --> 00:15:25,759 giving artificial intelligence a female name and pronouns. 369 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,177 Makes it less creepy. 370 00:15:27,218 --> 00:15:29,220 - You still didn't answer my question. 371 00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:31,473 - No, I didn't have any problems with Evan 372 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:33,183 wanting to implement EVA. 373 00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:35,602 Honestly, I think it's exciting. 374 00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:37,062 But it was controversial. 375 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:39,189 There are definitely people who felt differently. 376 00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:41,232 - What was Evan Marks doing that was so controversial? 377 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,568 - As the name implies, EVA was initially designed 378 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:45,820 to assist our engineers and programmers. 379 00:15:45,862 --> 00:15:47,989 But she's self-learning. 380 00:15:48,031 --> 00:15:50,992 And within months, she advanced exponentially 381 00:15:51,034 --> 00:15:52,702 beyond her initial capabilities. 382 00:15:52,744 --> 00:15:55,663 The program is self-iterative, and its processes operate 383 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:58,083 in a kind of black box. 384 00:15:58,124 --> 00:15:59,918 There's no real way for us to track what algorithms 385 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:01,544 she's using to evolve. 386 00:16:01,586 --> 00:16:04,589 - Not my area of expertise, but doesn't that seem concerning? 387 00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:06,216 - Hence the controversy. 388 00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:07,384 - Aren't there regulations in place 389 00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:09,219 around this kind of thing? - Not really. 390 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:10,970 Evan was a big proponent of seeing 391 00:16:11,012 --> 00:16:13,556 how far EVA could go on her own. 392 00:16:13,598 --> 00:16:15,850 The goal is for her to assist the engineers and programmers, 393 00:16:15,892 --> 00:16:18,353 but she can actually do their jobs. 394 00:16:18,395 --> 00:16:19,604 - Except faster. 395 00:16:19,646 --> 00:16:20,939 - And for free. 396 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,732 - That must have pissed off a lot of employees. 397 00:16:22,774 --> 00:16:26,736 - Yeah, about 200 of them. 398 00:16:26,778 --> 00:16:28,279 [elevator dings] 399 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:30,490 - Last week, Evan Marks fired over half 400 00:16:30,532 --> 00:16:33,034 of his company's engineers and replaced them 401 00:16:33,076 --> 00:16:35,412 with the EVA AI system. 402 00:16:35,453 --> 00:16:38,081 - So you're saying that when our witness 403 00:16:38,123 --> 00:16:40,166 overheard Marks's killer say, 404 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:41,668 "You're turning her against me," 405 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:43,795 he was talking about a computer program? 406 00:16:43,837 --> 00:16:45,255 - That's what we're thinking. 407 00:16:45,296 --> 00:16:47,424 - And according to Kevin Wu, the operations manager, 408 00:16:47,465 --> 00:16:50,260 Marks was ruthless about the layoffs, right? 409 00:16:50,301 --> 00:16:52,137 He kicked out 200 employees on their asses 410 00:16:52,178 --> 00:16:53,888 just like that without warning. 411 00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:56,599 According to him, the future left these people behind. 412 00:16:56,641 --> 00:16:58,476 - All that mind expanding he had done 413 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,520 led him to innovating beyond human empathy. 414 00:17:00,562 --> 00:17:02,772 - That's a lot of suspects to sort through. 415 00:17:02,814 --> 00:17:04,065 - It is. 416 00:17:04,107 --> 00:17:05,859 However, we can put one of those suspects 417 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:07,152 at the crime scene. 418 00:17:07,193 --> 00:17:08,695 So Wu gave us all the data he had 419 00:17:08,737 --> 00:17:10,739 on all the fired employees, and it turns out, 420 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:14,200 the former chief programmer Ben Stafford 421 00:17:14,242 --> 00:17:17,454 used his key card at the VenZip offices 422 00:17:17,495 --> 00:17:19,664 the night Marks was murdered. 423 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:21,583 - We checked with our psychedelic doula friend too. 424 00:17:21,624 --> 00:17:23,335 She confirmed he definitely was not 425 00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:25,295 on the list for the Lifestyle party that night. 426 00:17:25,337 --> 00:17:27,464 - I can do you one better. Listen to this. 427 00:17:27,505 --> 00:17:29,132 Stafford posted this on his social media 428 00:17:29,174 --> 00:17:30,550 the day before the murder. 429 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:32,927 "Evan Marks will be the downfall of humanity 430 00:17:32,969 --> 00:17:34,387 "as we know it. 431 00:17:34,429 --> 00:17:38,308 He's a plague that needs to be eradicated immediately." 432 00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:40,352 - That's enough for a search warrant. 433 00:17:40,393 --> 00:17:42,312 Why don't you see what you can turn up? 434 00:17:42,354 --> 00:17:45,023 [suspenseful music] 435 00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:46,274 - No, no, no, don't touch that. 436 00:17:46,316 --> 00:17:47,942 - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up. All right? 437 00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:49,527 Just stay where you are. 438 00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:51,154 - This is insane. 439 00:17:51,196 --> 00:17:52,739 I was just blowing off steam. 440 00:17:52,781 --> 00:17:55,283 I wasn't saying I was actually gonna kill him. 441 00:17:55,325 --> 00:17:56,785 - Then what were you doing at the VenZip offices 442 00:17:56,826 --> 00:17:58,119 the night of the murder? 443 00:17:58,161 --> 00:17:59,788 - I--I don't know what you're talking about. 444 00:17:59,829 --> 00:18:01,247 - Right. - Detectives? 445 00:18:01,289 --> 00:18:03,792 We found this in the dumpster behind the building. 446 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:05,710 - 9 millimeter. - Yep. 447 00:18:05,752 --> 00:18:07,712 - That means we're gonna finish this little conversation 448 00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:09,506 of ours downtown, okay? 449 00:18:09,547 --> 00:18:11,841 Let's go. 450 00:18:11,883 --> 00:18:14,678 - Ballistic tests prove that the gun that we found 451 00:18:14,719 --> 00:18:17,514 was the one used to kill Marks, the guy who had just fired you. 452 00:18:17,555 --> 00:18:19,849 - We know you were there. Just tell us what happened. 453 00:18:19,891 --> 00:18:22,936 - Any chance I could get some of my medication? 454 00:18:22,977 --> 00:18:24,604 - Medication? You mean the, uh, 455 00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:27,691 the Adderall that we found when we searched your apartment? 456 00:18:27,732 --> 00:18:29,567 You're gonna have to produce a doctor's prescription, 457 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:30,902 because the bottle that we found 458 00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:31,986 had no pharmacist label on it. 459 00:18:32,028 --> 00:18:34,572 - I don't have a prescription. 460 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:36,116 - Then you don't get the Adderall. 461 00:18:37,492 --> 00:18:39,869 - It helps me think straight. 462 00:18:39,911 --> 00:18:41,037 - How about this? 463 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:42,872 I'm happy to get you an aspirin, 464 00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:45,208 but until you start telling us the truth, 465 00:18:45,250 --> 00:18:46,876 it's the best I can do. 466 00:18:46,918 --> 00:18:51,047 - Ben, come on. 467 00:18:51,089 --> 00:18:52,716 I'm looking at you, and I can tell 468 00:18:52,757 --> 00:18:56,302 that this is not easy to keep this all bottled up inside. 469 00:18:56,344 --> 00:18:58,096 [apprehensive music] 470 00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:01,057 You're not a bad guy, are you? 471 00:19:01,099 --> 00:19:06,271 * * 472 00:19:06,312 --> 00:19:07,731 - I brought the gun to scare him. 473 00:19:07,772 --> 00:19:10,734 I just wanted him to give everyone their jobs back. 474 00:19:10,775 --> 00:19:13,862 - Guy like that, he wouldn't listen, would he? 475 00:19:13,903 --> 00:19:15,864 - No. 476 00:19:15,905 --> 00:19:19,576 The only people he cares about are his rich friends. 477 00:19:19,617 --> 00:19:21,286 Because of him, hundreds of people 478 00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:22,996 aren't gonna be able to support their families. 479 00:19:23,038 --> 00:19:26,541 Meanwhile, he's just up in his office, throwing a party. 480 00:19:26,583 --> 00:19:28,418 He wouldn't even have a company 481 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:31,212 if it wasn't for the work we all did. 482 00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:32,756 - Okay, good. 483 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:35,759 So, you had an argument. 484 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,094 - Uh... 485 00:19:38,136 --> 00:19:41,389 I was so angry. 486 00:19:41,431 --> 00:19:42,974 It just wasn't fair. 487 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:48,313 * * 488 00:19:48,355 --> 00:19:51,524 Next thing I knew... 489 00:19:51,566 --> 00:19:56,863 I followed him to the ATM, and I-- 490 00:19:59,324 --> 00:20:00,742 I shot him. 491 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:06,289 - Okay. 492 00:20:06,331 --> 00:20:07,749 - I'm so sorry. 493 00:20:07,791 --> 00:20:09,334 I didn't mean to. 494 00:20:09,376 --> 00:20:10,919 [knock at door] - Come in. 495 00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:16,508 - Don't say another word. 496 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:19,803 I'm Mr. Stafford's attorney. This interview is over. 497 00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:21,971 - Ben Stafford, you are under arrest 498 00:20:22,013 --> 00:20:24,224 for the murder of Evan Marks. 499 00:20:24,265 --> 00:20:25,684 You have the right to remain silent 500 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:28,728 and refuse to answer questions, do you understand? 501 00:20:34,609 --> 00:20:34,776 . 502 00:20:34,818 --> 00:20:35,568 - People v. Benjamin Stafford, 503 00:20:36,695 --> 00:20:39,030 charging murder in the second degree. 504 00:20:39,072 --> 00:20:41,324 - How does the defendant plea? 505 00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:43,034 - Not guilty, Your Honor. 506 00:20:43,076 --> 00:20:44,661 - Tyrone, I'll hear you on bail. 507 00:20:44,703 --> 00:20:47,664 - Your Honor, Ben Stafford shot and killed Evan Marks 508 00:20:47,706 --> 00:20:50,583 as retribution for Marks firing him. 509 00:20:50,625 --> 00:20:53,378 We cannot only place the defendant near the crime scene 510 00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:54,671 around the time of the murder 511 00:20:54,713 --> 00:20:56,423 and tie the murder weapon to him, 512 00:20:56,464 --> 00:21:00,135 but Stafford himself confessed to detectives. 513 00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:02,554 Stafford lacks deep ties to the community 514 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:05,765 and is facing a potential 25-year sentence, 515 00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:07,976 making him a serious flight risk. 516 00:21:08,018 --> 00:21:09,436 We ask for remand. 517 00:21:09,477 --> 00:21:11,354 - Police coerced a false confession 518 00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:13,815 from an innocent man under extreme duress, 519 00:21:13,857 --> 00:21:16,526 an innocent man with no criminal history, I might add. 520 00:21:16,568 --> 00:21:18,028 We are confident that Mr. Stafford 521 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,155 will be fully exonerated and ask that he be released 522 00:21:20,196 --> 00:21:21,281 on his own recognizance. 523 00:21:21,322 --> 00:21:23,074 - Bail set at 1 million. 524 00:21:23,116 --> 00:21:25,118 [gavel bangs] Next case. 525 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,246 [indistinct chatter] 526 00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:32,584 - The jury is never gonna hear that confession. 527 00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:38,798 - Look, how about this? 528 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,091 I'm happy to get you an aspirin, 529 00:21:40,133 --> 00:21:41,426 but until you start telling us the truth, 530 00:21:41,468 --> 00:21:43,887 that's the best I can do. 531 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,766 - Ben Stafford developed a physical dependency 532 00:21:47,807 --> 00:21:50,310 on Adderall as a result of the grueling hours 533 00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:52,145 and high performance expectations 534 00:21:52,187 --> 00:21:53,730 of his job at VenZip. 535 00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:56,358 During the interrogation, he was suffering from withdrawal. 536 00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:58,193 He made multiple requests for the drug. 537 00:21:58,234 --> 00:21:59,819 - In the course of an interrogation, 538 00:21:59,861 --> 00:22:02,697 the suspect requested an illegally procured 539 00:22:02,739 --> 00:22:05,909 controlled substance and detectives, following protocol, 540 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,327 denied the request. 541 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,746 - Police capitalized on my client's compromised state 542 00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:12,082 by dangling a promise of access to the pills 543 00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:13,583 in exchange for a confession. 544 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:15,502 He would have confessed to anything in that moment 545 00:22:15,543 --> 00:22:17,170 if it meant he'd get a fix, and Detective Riley knew it. 546 00:22:17,212 --> 00:22:18,838 - Riley made no such promise. 547 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,466 - "Until you tell us the truth, that's the best I can do." 548 00:22:23,051 --> 00:22:24,552 It was heavily implied. 549 00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:28,390 - That is a wild distortion of Detective Riley's words. 550 00:22:29,891 --> 00:22:31,935 - I understand that the detective may not 551 00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:35,021 have intended to imply a quid pro quo, 552 00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,439 but there's sufficient evidence 553 00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:38,400 to support the argument that the defendant-- 554 00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:39,859 in his altered state-- 555 00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:42,570 interpreted it as such, making the confession 556 00:22:42,612 --> 00:22:46,199 involuntarily coerced and inherently unreliable. 557 00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:48,576 - Your Honor-- - The confession is out. 558 00:22:48,618 --> 00:22:50,620 [suspenseful music] 559 00:22:50,662 --> 00:22:53,373 - So you have a defendant who confessed to the crime, 560 00:22:53,415 --> 00:22:55,959 but the jury doesn't get to know that. 561 00:22:56,001 --> 00:22:59,421 Can we get a conviction without the confession? 562 00:22:59,462 --> 00:23:01,006 - I think so. 563 00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:04,050 Stafford's key card puts him at the VenZip offices 564 00:23:04,092 --> 00:23:06,052 right after midnight on the night of the murder. 565 00:23:06,094 --> 00:23:08,138 Marks was shot right outside the building. 566 00:23:08,179 --> 00:23:10,181 - And Stafford had already cleared out his office 567 00:23:10,223 --> 00:23:11,891 the week before. 568 00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,435 They're gonna have trouble coming up 569 00:23:13,476 --> 00:23:15,520 with a viable explanation for him being there 570 00:23:15,562 --> 00:23:17,731 other than confronting Marks, especially at that hour. 571 00:23:17,772 --> 00:23:20,567 - Plus, the murder weapon was recovered in his dumpster, 572 00:23:20,608 --> 00:23:22,068 and you add to that the clear-cut motive. 573 00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:23,361 Yes, I still think we can win. 574 00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:25,572 - Just be careful. 575 00:23:25,613 --> 00:23:27,532 The motive, in this case, has the potential 576 00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:29,659 to hurt as much as help. 577 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:34,539 Fear of losing one's livelihood to AI is pervasive these days. 578 00:23:34,581 --> 00:23:37,459 All I'm saying, Nolan, is, it's gonna be easier 579 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,044 to sympathize with the defendant 580 00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:42,881 than the billionaire who fired hundreds of employees. 581 00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:46,593 Humanize the victim, and remind them 582 00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:50,013 Ben Stafford is the villain in this story. 583 00:23:50,055 --> 00:23:53,808 * * 584 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:56,936 - Mr. Sawyer, you were present when Evan Marks notified 585 00:23:56,978 --> 00:23:59,022 the defendant that the company was letting him go, 586 00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:01,524 is that correct? - I was. 587 00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:04,736 As co-founders, Evan and I took our responsibilities 588 00:24:04,778 --> 00:24:06,905 to our employees very seriously. 589 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:10,492 We wanted to deliver the news as humanely as possible. 590 00:24:10,533 --> 00:24:12,869 - And how did the defendant react? 591 00:24:12,911 --> 00:24:14,412 - He was furious. 592 00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:17,957 He threw a fit, screaming, making threats. 593 00:24:17,999 --> 00:24:20,752 It was a lot to take given that it was his fault that 594 00:24:20,794 --> 00:24:22,879 it was happening in the first place. 595 00:24:22,921 --> 00:24:23,797 - How so? 596 00:24:23,838 --> 00:24:25,840 - He was the one who created EVA. 597 00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,635 - That's the artificial intelligence program 598 00:24:28,677 --> 00:24:29,969 that the company is now using? 599 00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:32,430 - Yes, we discovered that he had essentially 600 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:35,141 designed the software to do his job for him. 601 00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:39,145 He thought he was clever, that he could just sit around 602 00:24:39,187 --> 00:24:41,564 and do nothing while collecting a big fat paycheck. 603 00:24:41,606 --> 00:24:43,358 - The defendant wasn't the only employee 604 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,360 that you and Marks replaced with EVA. 605 00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:46,861 - Unfortunately, the software did 606 00:24:46,903 --> 00:24:49,030 make a number of jobs at the company redundant, 607 00:24:49,072 --> 00:24:52,409 and we struggled with what to do with that, 608 00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:54,119 Evan more than me, even. 609 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,580 But ultimately, he felt we had a responsibility 610 00:24:57,622 --> 00:24:59,833 to push the boundaries of science and technology 611 00:24:59,874 --> 00:25:04,587 that through innovation, some sort of utopia 612 00:25:04,629 --> 00:25:05,922 could be reached. 613 00:25:05,964 --> 00:25:07,674 - When you say that the defendant 614 00:25:07,716 --> 00:25:12,387 made threats to Marks, what did he say, exactly? 615 00:25:12,429 --> 00:25:14,014 - He got right up in Evan's face 616 00:25:14,055 --> 00:25:16,516 and said he was gonna pay for what he'd done. 617 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,101 - Thank you. 618 00:25:18,143 --> 00:25:19,602 No further questions. 619 00:25:23,481 --> 00:25:26,526 - Mr. Sawyer, how would you characterize 620 00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,028 your relationship with Evan Marks? 621 00:25:28,069 --> 00:25:29,821 - He was my best friend. 622 00:25:29,863 --> 00:25:31,531 - And on the business side, 623 00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:33,116 things between you two were good? 624 00:25:33,158 --> 00:25:36,703 - We had the perfect complement of skill sets. 625 00:25:36,745 --> 00:25:38,663 Evan excelled at the big picture stuff, 626 00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:40,206 while I'm good at executing. 627 00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:44,836 - Mr. Sawyer, do you recognize these emails? 628 00:25:50,633 --> 00:25:52,844 - It looks like correspondences between myself 629 00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:54,304 and some of our company board members. 630 00:25:54,346 --> 00:25:55,889 - Objection, relevance. 631 00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:59,642 - These emails establish that Mr. Sawyer is not being honest 632 00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,186 with the court about the state of affairs 633 00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:02,228 between him and Evan Marks. 634 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:03,438 - Overruled. 635 00:26:04,773 --> 00:26:07,067 - What was the nature of these exchanges? 636 00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:09,027 - I reached out to some of our board members 637 00:26:09,069 --> 00:26:10,862 to see if I could rely on their support. 638 00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:13,198 - Because Evan Marks was trying 639 00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:14,908 to push you out of the company? 640 00:26:14,949 --> 00:26:16,034 - Yes. 641 00:26:16,076 --> 00:26:17,911 He'd discussed that with a few people. 642 00:26:17,952 --> 00:26:19,788 - He felt like you were holding him back, 643 00:26:19,829 --> 00:26:23,583 squelching his creative genius, isn't that correct? 644 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:26,086 - We were in the process of sorting it all out. 645 00:26:26,127 --> 00:26:29,422 - What did you discover in your communication with the board? 646 00:26:29,464 --> 00:26:31,174 - That I-- 647 00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:34,469 [tense music] 648 00:26:34,511 --> 00:26:36,346 I didn't have the support I'd imagined. 649 00:26:36,388 --> 00:26:38,765 - Meaning Marks could effectively 650 00:26:38,807 --> 00:26:41,142 fire you at any time? 651 00:26:41,184 --> 00:26:43,103 - Yes. 652 00:26:43,144 --> 00:26:44,938 - But now that he's dead, 653 00:26:44,979 --> 00:26:48,441 you've been appointed sole CEO, correct? 654 00:26:48,483 --> 00:26:50,443 - If you're trying to imply 655 00:26:50,485 --> 00:26:53,196 that I'm the one who killed Evan, 656 00:26:53,238 --> 00:26:55,615 you're wasting your time. 657 00:26:55,657 --> 00:26:57,659 I was in D.C. the night he was shot. 658 00:26:57,701 --> 00:26:58,910 - That doesn't mean you couldn't pay somebody 659 00:26:58,952 --> 00:27:00,537 to do your dirty work. - Objection, Your Honor. 660 00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:01,705 The defense is trying to suggest-- 661 00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:04,457 - She's not suggesting, she's asserting. 662 00:27:04,499 --> 00:27:07,335 James Sawyer killed Evan Marks. 663 00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:08,962 - Objection. - Sustained. 664 00:27:09,004 --> 00:27:11,131 Please disregard defense counsel's statement. 665 00:27:11,172 --> 00:27:18,013 * * 666 00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:21,641 - You hung me out to dry up there. 667 00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,393 - I had no way of knowing they were coming for you. 668 00:27:23,435 --> 00:27:26,896 - Because you didn't tell us what was really going on. 669 00:27:26,938 --> 00:27:30,358 - How did the defense know about Marks's power grab? 670 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,110 - Great question. 671 00:27:32,152 --> 00:27:33,528 I have no idea. 672 00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:35,280 Those were all company emails. 673 00:27:35,321 --> 00:27:37,198 - Do you think Stafford hacked your server? 674 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,326 - For all I know, he had EVA do it for him. 675 00:27:40,368 --> 00:27:42,620 They're trying to make it look like I killed Evan. 676 00:27:42,662 --> 00:27:44,831 That's insane. 677 00:27:44,873 --> 00:27:46,332 He's gonna get away with murder. 678 00:27:46,374 --> 00:27:52,839 * * 679 00:27:53,631 --> 00:27:55,675 - Tell Detective Riley 680 00:27:55,717 --> 00:27:57,802 we're calling him first thing tomorrow. 681 00:27:57,844 --> 00:28:01,014 We need to refocus the jury. 682 00:28:01,056 --> 00:28:03,141 Remind them who the real killer is. 683 00:28:03,183 --> 00:28:06,061 - Like it or not, Nolan, the defense just offered up 684 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:09,564 a perfectly plausible alternative suspect. 685 00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:18,907 . 686 00:28:18,948 --> 00:28:20,283 - Detective Riley, in the course of your investigation, 687 00:28:21,242 --> 00:28:22,494 you discovered that the defendant 688 00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:24,037 had been present at the VenZip offices 689 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,164 the night Evan Marks was murdered, is that correct? 690 00:28:26,206 --> 00:28:28,792 - Yes, he entered the building at 12:14 a.m. 691 00:28:28,833 --> 00:28:31,378 - And Evan Marks was shot right outside of there 692 00:28:31,419 --> 00:28:32,629 not long after that. 693 00:28:32,671 --> 00:28:34,422 - Which is why the defendant immediately 694 00:28:34,464 --> 00:28:35,799 became a person of interest. 695 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,384 We then uncovered a series of threats 696 00:28:37,425 --> 00:28:39,052 that he had made against Marks, so we executed 697 00:28:39,094 --> 00:28:40,512 a search warrant of his apartment. 698 00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:41,805 - And what did you find? 699 00:28:41,846 --> 00:28:43,223 - We found a 9-millimeter pistol 700 00:28:43,264 --> 00:28:44,891 in the dumpster behind his building. 701 00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:48,228 - Is this the gun that you found? 702 00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:49,479 - That's the one. 703 00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:52,357 - And did you run ballistic tests on this gun? 704 00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:53,525 - We did. 705 00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:54,526 They confirmed that it was, in fact, 706 00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:55,694 the weapon used to kill Marks. 707 00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:57,696 - Thank you. No further questions. 708 00:28:57,737 --> 00:29:00,699 [tense music] 709 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,325 * * 710 00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:04,994 - Is there any evidence-- other than the keycard data-- 711 00:29:05,036 --> 00:29:08,540 that my client was in the office that night? 712 00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:11,001 For example, security video? 713 00:29:11,042 --> 00:29:12,585 - No, Evan Marks had turned off 714 00:29:12,627 --> 00:29:13,795 the security cameras that night. 715 00:29:13,837 --> 00:29:15,171 - So that there would be no evidence 716 00:29:15,213 --> 00:29:17,674 of his illicit sex party filled with illegal drugs? 717 00:29:17,716 --> 00:29:19,467 - Objection, calls for speculation. 718 00:29:19,509 --> 00:29:21,636 - Sustained. 719 00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:23,596 - Were Ben Stafford's fingerprints 720 00:29:23,638 --> 00:29:24,723 on the gun that you found? 721 00:29:24,764 --> 00:29:26,891 - No, it had been wiped clean. 722 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,101 - No further questions. 723 00:29:31,271 --> 00:29:35,358 - Detective, was the dumpster where you recovered the gun 724 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,985 accessible to just anyone? 725 00:29:37,027 --> 00:29:38,570 - It was not. It was behind a locked gate. 726 00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:40,572 - Well, who had a key to that gate? 727 00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:41,906 - Only the tenants. 728 00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:44,451 - Do any of the tenants-- other than Ben Stafford-- 729 00:29:44,492 --> 00:29:46,619 have any ties to Evan Marks? 730 00:29:46,661 --> 00:29:48,079 - None that we could ascertain. 731 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:49,622 - Thank you. 732 00:29:49,664 --> 00:29:51,416 The prosecution rests. 733 00:29:51,458 --> 00:29:53,501 - You may call your first witness, Ms. Greenough. 734 00:29:53,543 --> 00:29:56,713 - Your Honor, the defense calls Ben Stafford to the stand. 735 00:29:59,424 --> 00:30:01,968 - I had nothing to do with what happened to Evan. 736 00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:04,095 - Then how do you explain all of the evidence 737 00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:06,389 that the prosecution has laid out? 738 00:30:06,431 --> 00:30:09,934 - I'M being set up by James Sawyer again. 739 00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:11,519 - What do you mean again? 740 00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:13,063 - Well, about six months ago, 741 00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:15,273 James and Evan called me into a meeting. 742 00:30:15,315 --> 00:30:17,275 They were frustrated that the company's 743 00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:20,612 engineers and programmers weren't working fast enough. 744 00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:22,322 It was absurd. 745 00:30:22,364 --> 00:30:27,202 Everyone was working 16 hours a day, seven days a week. 746 00:30:27,243 --> 00:30:29,954 I had to take Adderall just to keep up. 747 00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:31,706 - What did they wanna discuss? 748 00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:34,000 - They wanted me to create an AI program 749 00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:37,754 to carry some of the workload, make things go faster. 750 00:30:37,796 --> 00:30:39,089 - And what did you say? 751 00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:41,883 - I had real reservations about the idea. 752 00:30:41,925 --> 00:30:44,678 There were obvious ethical implications, 753 00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:46,471 but also, I didn't want to be responsible 754 00:30:46,513 --> 00:30:49,474 for putting my coworkers' jobs in jeopardy. 755 00:30:49,516 --> 00:30:51,601 But James and Evan made clear 756 00:30:51,643 --> 00:30:53,019 they'd fire me if I didn't do it. 757 00:30:53,061 --> 00:30:54,979 - So you did what they demanded. 758 00:30:55,021 --> 00:30:58,316 - And they ended up firing me anyway. 759 00:30:58,358 --> 00:31:00,860 And then when they fired everyone else, 760 00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:03,321 they told them that it was my fault, 761 00:31:03,363 --> 00:31:09,786 that I created EVA on my own so I didn't have to work. 762 00:31:09,828 --> 00:31:12,747 - They made you the fall guy. - Exactly. 763 00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:15,917 And now James Sawyer is doing it again. 764 00:31:15,959 --> 00:31:19,337 I was at home, asleep in my bed that night. 765 00:31:19,379 --> 00:31:21,506 I've never fired a gun in my life. 766 00:31:21,548 --> 00:31:23,925 - But your key card-- 767 00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:26,386 - Easiest thing in the world to clone. 768 00:31:26,428 --> 00:31:27,971 My ten-year-old niece could do it. 769 00:31:28,013 --> 00:31:29,806 - Well, what about the gun? 770 00:31:29,848 --> 00:31:31,474 It was found behind your apartment building. 771 00:31:31,516 --> 00:31:34,728 - James has access to my personnel files. 772 00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:36,021 He knows where I live. 773 00:31:36,062 --> 00:31:38,189 - But according to the detective, 774 00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:40,358 you need a key to access the dumpster. 775 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,278 - Half the time nobody remembers to lock that gate, 776 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,740 and even if it's locked, it's not hard to bypass. 777 00:31:46,781 --> 00:31:50,535 I swear, I'm being set up here. 778 00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:52,245 I'm innocent. 779 00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:55,707 - No further questions. 780 00:31:55,749 --> 00:31:58,668 [tense music] 781 00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,839 * * 782 00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:05,592 - So... [clears throat] 783 00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:07,093 By your own admission, 784 00:32:07,135 --> 00:32:10,472 you had plenty of reason to want Evan Marks dead. 785 00:32:10,513 --> 00:32:13,391 He fired you and made you 786 00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:15,226 the fall guy for all the other layoffs. 787 00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:18,063 And, in fact, you made multiple threats against him, 788 00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:20,440 both online and in person, isn't that true? 789 00:32:20,482 --> 00:32:23,985 - Which is how James knew I'd be the perfect patsy. 790 00:32:24,027 --> 00:32:25,987 - So we're to believe that James Sawyer, 791 00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:27,447 one of the most respected 792 00:32:27,489 --> 00:32:29,991 and accomplished businessmen of our time, 793 00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:32,577 somehow arranged the murder 794 00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:35,205 of his closest friend and business partner 795 00:32:35,246 --> 00:32:39,209 and then created some elaborate scheme to frame you? 796 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,252 - That's who these people are. 797 00:32:41,294 --> 00:32:46,925 Evan Marks and James Sawyer, they're all monsters. 798 00:32:46,966 --> 00:32:52,180 They use honest, hard-working people as pawns. 799 00:32:52,222 --> 00:32:55,934 I'm just one more meaningless no one 800 00:32:55,975 --> 00:32:59,396 easily sacrificed so that James Sawyer 801 00:32:59,437 --> 00:33:03,942 can gain more power and more profit. 802 00:33:03,983 --> 00:33:07,112 And the thing is, guys like him, 803 00:33:07,153 --> 00:33:09,531 they always get away with it too. 804 00:33:09,572 --> 00:33:16,496 * * 805 00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:19,290 - That was a hell of a performance. 806 00:33:19,332 --> 00:33:21,626 If I hadn't seen Stafford's confession with my own eyes-- 807 00:33:21,668 --> 00:33:23,128 - I know. 808 00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,547 - Good, caught you. - What's going on? 809 00:33:25,588 --> 00:33:27,173 - There's something I need you to see. 810 00:33:27,215 --> 00:33:29,592 Is there an office we can go to? 811 00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:31,219 Our offices were in the process 812 00:33:31,261 --> 00:33:32,679 of upgrading our security system 813 00:33:32,721 --> 00:33:34,347 right before Evan was murdered. 814 00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:36,266 So I took a look at one of the new cameras 815 00:33:36,307 --> 00:33:38,601 on the exterior of the building. 816 00:33:38,643 --> 00:33:43,189 There's a direct shot of the ATM where Evan was murdered. 817 00:33:43,231 --> 00:33:46,109 - How the hell did police miss that in their initial canvass? 818 00:33:46,151 --> 00:33:47,569 - Camera's so tiny, you can't even see it 819 00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:49,070 unless you to look for it. 820 00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:51,281 But it was operational that night 821 00:33:51,322 --> 00:33:53,241 even though it wasn't on the mainframe, 822 00:33:53,283 --> 00:33:56,077 meaning that it wasn't logged into the system. 823 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,039 [suspenseful music] 824 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:05,837 * * 825 00:34:05,879 --> 00:34:10,842 That's Ben Stafford, clear as day. 826 00:34:10,884 --> 00:34:13,511 - Oh, my God. 827 00:34:13,553 --> 00:34:15,388 We got him. 828 00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:27,233 . 829 00:34:27,275 --> 00:34:27,901 - Hey. You're in early. 830 00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:33,114 - Yeah, I couldn't sleep. 831 00:34:33,156 --> 00:34:35,825 Something was bugging me. 832 00:34:35,867 --> 00:34:36,951 Look at this. 833 00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:43,792 - What am I missing? 834 00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:45,293 - Well, this entire trial, 835 00:34:45,335 --> 00:34:48,129 Stafford has been taking meticulous notes 836 00:34:48,171 --> 00:34:49,881 as people testify, you noticed? 837 00:34:49,923 --> 00:34:53,259 - Yeah. Just figured he was-- 838 00:34:53,301 --> 00:34:54,803 [suspenseful music] 839 00:34:54,844 --> 00:34:56,554 Oh. 840 00:34:56,596 --> 00:34:59,140 Stafford is left-handed. 841 00:34:59,182 --> 00:35:01,601 - But the shooter in this video is using his right hand. 842 00:35:05,105 --> 00:35:08,191 - So what, you're worried the video isn't real? 843 00:35:08,233 --> 00:35:10,694 - The defense blaming James Sawyer for Marks's murder 844 00:35:10,735 --> 00:35:13,947 is the top headline in news outlets across the country. 845 00:35:13,988 --> 00:35:17,200 What are the chances that Sawyer just happens 846 00:35:17,242 --> 00:35:20,245 to be the one to find the perfect piece of evidence, 847 00:35:20,286 --> 00:35:23,957 evidence that nails Stafford and clears his name? 848 00:35:23,998 --> 00:35:26,126 - I get what you're saying. 849 00:35:27,919 --> 00:35:29,254 He is the CEO. 850 00:35:29,295 --> 00:35:31,131 They got all kinds of security cameras. 851 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:33,174 - But he didn't find the video until yesterday? 852 00:35:33,216 --> 00:35:35,677 - I know the timing is convenient, 853 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,887 but it doesn't prove anything. 854 00:35:37,929 --> 00:35:39,347 - No. 855 00:35:39,389 --> 00:35:43,018 But given Sawyer's access to advanced technology, 856 00:35:43,059 --> 00:35:44,978 a deepfake video of this caliber 857 00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:47,981 isn't outside the realm of possibility. 858 00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:51,401 - So what do you wanna do? 859 00:35:51,443 --> 00:35:55,447 - I am going to ask for a continuance 860 00:35:55,488 --> 00:35:59,534 while you get clarity on the video's authenticity. 861 00:35:59,576 --> 00:36:02,620 - ITB used every tool they have to analyze this thing, 862 00:36:02,662 --> 00:36:04,998 but the results were inconclusive. 863 00:36:06,624 --> 00:36:08,585 - So they can't tell if it's real or fake. 864 00:36:08,626 --> 00:36:10,628 - I mean, the biggest giveaway would be here. 865 00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:13,465 For whatever reason, even the most advanced AI 866 00:36:13,506 --> 00:36:16,593 still struggles to render human hands and fingers correctly. 867 00:36:16,634 --> 00:36:20,138 But from this far away and at this resolution, 868 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:22,015 it's impossible to zoom in enough 869 00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:24,059 to see Stafford's hands in detail. 870 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,853 - That could be by design to avoid detection. 871 00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:28,688 - It could be. 872 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:30,482 It could also just be a coincidence 873 00:36:30,523 --> 00:36:31,941 that the camera is that far away. 874 00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:35,070 - Yeah, well, the problem is, 875 00:36:35,111 --> 00:36:38,156 the coincidences are really piling up here. 876 00:36:38,198 --> 00:36:39,908 - If this is a deepfake, it is one 877 00:36:39,949 --> 00:36:41,826 of the best ones I've seen. 878 00:36:41,868 --> 00:36:44,954 But we just can't say conclusively 879 00:36:44,996 --> 00:36:47,123 one way or the other. 880 00:36:47,165 --> 00:36:48,708 - [knocks] Hey. 881 00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:51,336 So, um, Riley and Shaw went back out 882 00:36:51,378 --> 00:36:52,754 to the VenZip offices. 883 00:36:52,796 --> 00:36:54,964 They confirmed that there is, in fact, 884 00:36:55,006 --> 00:36:57,842 a camera on the exterior of the building facing the ATM. 885 00:36:57,884 --> 00:37:00,679 - Is there any way to verify how long that camera 886 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,138 has actually been there? 887 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,433 - There is documentation alleging when it was installed, 888 00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:09,187 but that would be easier to manufacture 889 00:37:09,229 --> 00:37:10,188 than a video, so-- 890 00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:12,691 - So no. - Correct. 891 00:37:12,732 --> 00:37:17,487 - Which means we don't actually know that it's false. 892 00:37:17,529 --> 00:37:20,699 - We don't know that it's real, either. 893 00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:25,870 - If we don't present the video, can we win? 894 00:37:25,912 --> 00:37:27,288 - I'm not sure. 895 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,333 It's a circumstantial case with an unlikable victim. 896 00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:35,338 - And a likable defendant who acts like he's the victim. 897 00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:39,134 - If the defense wants to challenge the video, 898 00:37:39,175 --> 00:37:41,511 they can call an expert and debunk it. 899 00:37:41,553 --> 00:37:43,430 - Jack, we don't know if it's actually real. 900 00:37:43,471 --> 00:37:44,764 - It's up to the judge. 901 00:37:44,806 --> 00:37:46,391 He can deny its admission, 902 00:37:46,433 --> 00:37:48,935 or he can leave it up to the jury. 903 00:37:48,977 --> 00:37:51,479 - But by presenting it, we're vouching for it. 904 00:37:52,897 --> 00:37:57,193 We are telling the jury we believe it's real. 905 00:37:57,235 --> 00:37:58,903 I know Stafford is guilty. 906 00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:01,489 He confessed, for God's sake, but if we don't start drawing 907 00:38:01,531 --> 00:38:04,451 the line between what's real and what's not, 908 00:38:04,492 --> 00:38:08,413 we'll be contributing to the very problem that could-- 909 00:38:08,455 --> 00:38:11,416 hell, if every deepfake video is admissible, 910 00:38:11,458 --> 00:38:13,752 we'll never get another conviction. 911 00:38:13,793 --> 00:38:16,921 All the defense has to do is show some perfectly credible 912 00:38:16,963 --> 00:38:18,965 video that disproves our case. 913 00:38:19,007 --> 00:38:21,760 We have a duty here. 914 00:38:21,801 --> 00:38:25,722 - Our duty is to the truth, and the truth, in this case, 915 00:38:25,764 --> 00:38:29,225 is that Ben Stafford murdered Evan Marks. 916 00:38:29,267 --> 00:38:31,603 [apprehensive music] 917 00:38:31,644 --> 00:38:34,147 Use the video. 918 00:38:34,189 --> 00:38:37,317 End of the day, it's up to the jury 919 00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:40,779 to determine what the truth is. 920 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:47,786 * * 921 00:38:48,953 --> 00:38:50,246 - That's--that's not me. 922 00:38:50,288 --> 00:38:52,123 That's--no, I don't-- 923 00:38:52,165 --> 00:38:55,335 - Sorry, you're--you're saying that's not you in the video? 924 00:38:55,377 --> 00:38:56,836 Right there. 925 00:38:56,878 --> 00:38:58,463 - No, I can see it's me. 926 00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:00,423 It must be a deepfake. 927 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:04,135 - So it is you, but what, it's the video that's not real? 928 00:39:04,177 --> 00:39:06,262 - First off, I'm left-handed. 929 00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:07,806 - But your right hand is functional. 930 00:39:07,847 --> 00:39:09,641 You can certainly shoot with that hand as well. 931 00:39:09,683 --> 00:39:11,726 - Maybe, but I don't, and I didn't. 932 00:39:11,768 --> 00:39:16,147 - So this video that we are all looking at with our eyes, 933 00:39:16,189 --> 00:39:18,149 you're saying, well, that's not real. 934 00:39:18,191 --> 00:39:19,776 - Objection, asked and answered. 935 00:39:19,818 --> 00:39:21,277 - Sustained. 936 00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:23,446 - You're trying to make it sound crazy, 937 00:39:23,488 --> 00:39:25,448 but with AI these days, 938 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:26,991 you can make something like this. 939 00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:29,494 You don't even need to doctor existing video. 940 00:39:29,536 --> 00:39:31,663 You could just make it whole cloth. 941 00:39:31,705 --> 00:39:36,251 - So you'd have us believe that your key card was cloned, 942 00:39:36,292 --> 00:39:38,003 that the murder weapon was planted, 943 00:39:38,044 --> 00:39:43,591 and now actual security footage was created from thin air 944 00:39:43,633 --> 00:39:47,262 using technology more advanced than anyone here has ever seen, 945 00:39:47,303 --> 00:39:51,099 all to frame you when the simpler, 946 00:39:51,141 --> 00:39:57,397 the more obvious answer is that you murdered Evan Marks. 947 00:39:57,439 --> 00:39:59,524 [tense music] 948 00:39:59,566 --> 00:40:01,943 - Please, you have to believe me. 949 00:40:01,985 --> 00:40:06,531 - Mr. Stafford, why should we believe you 950 00:40:06,573 --> 00:40:10,702 over what we can see with our own eyes? 951 00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:17,667 * * 952 00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:29,471 - Mr. Foreperson, has the jury reached a verdict? 953 00:40:29,512 --> 00:40:30,972 - We have, Your Honor. 954 00:40:31,014 --> 00:40:33,850 In the charge of murder in the second degree, 955 00:40:33,892 --> 00:40:38,188 we find the defendant, Benjamin Stafford, guilty. 956 00:40:38,229 --> 00:40:39,647 - Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 957 00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:41,441 thank you for your service. 958 00:40:41,483 --> 00:40:43,193 [gavel bangs] 959 00:40:43,234 --> 00:40:50,325 * * 960 00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:07,967 - It was the right verdict, put away a guilty man. 961 00:41:08,009 --> 00:41:09,761 - Yeah. 962 00:41:09,803 --> 00:41:14,933 But what happens the next time or the time after that? 963 00:41:14,974 --> 00:41:17,435 This job was hard enough when we knew the difference 964 00:41:17,477 --> 00:41:20,772 between real and fake. 965 00:41:20,814 --> 00:41:22,816 But now? 966 00:41:22,857 --> 00:41:29,781 * * 967 00:41:35,412 --> 00:41:38,373 [dramatic music] 968 00:41:38,415 --> 00:41:45,505 * * 969 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,528 [wolf howls]