1 00:00:04,265 --> 00:00:06,309 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:06,310 --> 00:00:07,658 the people are represented 3 00:00:07,659 --> 00:00:10,139 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:10,140 --> 00:00:11,967 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:11,968 --> 00:00:14,883 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:14,884 --> 00:00:16,581 These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,192 --> 00:00:19,322 Let's go, Bridge. 8 00:00:19,323 --> 00:00:20,584 You're going to make me late. 9 00:00:20,585 --> 00:00:22,064 Sorry. 10 00:00:22,065 --> 00:00:24,675 I didn't like my outfit. 11 00:00:24,676 --> 00:00:26,721 So that's the solve? 12 00:00:26,722 --> 00:00:28,201 What do you mean? 13 00:00:28,202 --> 00:00:30,246 I mean, you're dressed for Miami, kid. 14 00:00:30,247 --> 00:00:32,466 It's what girls wear, Dad. 15 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:35,034 All right, you can all get hypothermia together, I guess. 16 00:00:37,385 --> 00:00:39,908 And hey, 17 00:00:39,909 --> 00:00:43,520 from now on, let's get up a little bit earlier, OK? 18 00:00:43,521 --> 00:00:46,567 Sorry, the group chat blew up last night. 19 00:00:46,568 --> 00:00:48,177 Tragic. 20 00:00:49,353 --> 00:00:52,399 You don't take me seriously. 21 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,618 No, I don't take group chats seriously. 22 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:57,709 Because you gotta deal with criminals and corpses all day? 23 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:06,108 One last time. 24 00:01:06,109 --> 00:01:09,720 X squared plus 8X plus 16 equals 0. 25 00:01:09,721 --> 00:01:11,113 X is? 26 00:01:11,114 --> 00:01:12,245 Negative 4. 27 00:01:12,246 --> 00:01:13,811 Yeah, you got this. 28 00:01:13,812 --> 00:01:14,899 I hope so. 29 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:17,815 No, it's not about hope or luck. 30 00:01:17,816 --> 00:01:19,817 You studied hard. 31 00:01:19,818 --> 00:01:22,124 Every battle is won... 32 00:01:22,125 --> 00:01:23,517 Before it's fought. I know. 33 00:01:23,518 --> 00:01:24,692 Exactly. 34 00:01:24,693 --> 00:01:28,043 So you just stay focused and do your best. 35 00:01:28,044 --> 00:01:29,784 You're going to crush this, kiddo. 36 00:01:29,785 --> 00:01:31,655 Come here. 37 00:01:31,656 --> 00:01:34,223 Love you. 38 00:01:35,791 --> 00:01:38,140 Jesus. A kid? 39 00:01:38,141 --> 00:01:39,924 How old? - Not sure. 40 00:01:39,925 --> 00:01:41,274 I'm guessing 12 or 13. 41 00:01:41,275 --> 00:01:42,884 We don't have an ID. 42 00:01:42,885 --> 00:01:45,626 Just this from her backpack. 43 00:01:45,627 --> 00:01:47,193 All right. 44 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:49,369 - Hey. - Hey. 45 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:52,285 Jalen's still sick. It's just me and you. 46 00:01:52,286 --> 00:01:55,592 My God, she's a baby. - Yeah. 47 00:01:55,593 --> 00:01:58,204 It's, like, a 30-foot drop. 48 00:01:58,205 --> 00:01:59,683 Big fall for a little body. 49 00:01:59,684 --> 00:02:01,555 Yeah, she fractured some ribs, 50 00:02:01,556 --> 00:02:03,600 plus her skull, which caused the cerebral hemorrhaging. 51 00:02:03,601 --> 00:02:05,863 You think she might have jumped? 52 00:02:05,864 --> 00:02:07,430 The guy who called 911 said 53 00:02:07,431 --> 00:02:09,171 there was some sort of altercation. 54 00:02:09,172 --> 00:02:11,391 Thinks someone pushed her. 55 00:02:11,392 --> 00:02:14,872 She's wearing an Apple Watch and a gold necklace. 56 00:02:14,873 --> 00:02:18,267 It doesn't look like someone tried to rob her. 57 00:02:18,268 --> 00:02:20,226 An iPhone in the side pocket. 58 00:02:22,533 --> 00:02:27,450 A half-eaten bagel from Sal's and a day planner. 59 00:02:27,451 --> 00:02:28,973 Anything on the agenda? 60 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:34,109 "Happy Friday." 61 00:03:26,075 --> 00:03:27,728 I set up every day at 7:00. 62 00:03:27,729 --> 00:03:30,252 Usually see the girl on her way to school around 7:20. 63 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:31,514 You told police 64 00:03:31,515 --> 00:03:33,168 she was arguing with someone this morning? 65 00:03:33,169 --> 00:03:36,302 Yeah, heard her up there getting upset with someone. 66 00:03:36,303 --> 00:03:37,825 Can you describe this person? 67 00:03:37,826 --> 00:03:39,000 Medium height. 68 00:03:39,001 --> 00:03:40,306 Dark coat. Dark hat. 69 00:03:40,307 --> 00:03:41,698 Man? Woman? 70 00:03:41,699 --> 00:03:43,309 Can't say. 71 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:44,745 Did you actually see the girl get shoved? 72 00:03:44,746 --> 00:03:47,051 No, I was down here unloading my fruit. 73 00:03:47,052 --> 00:03:49,532 You can't see the High Line from behind the truck. 74 00:03:49,533 --> 00:03:51,230 But when the truck pulled away... 75 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,623 You saw the body? 76 00:03:53,624 --> 00:03:56,800 She was lying there, blood around her head. 77 00:03:56,801 --> 00:03:58,062 I called 911. 78 00:03:58,063 --> 00:03:59,542 You know this girl's name, where she lives, 79 00:03:59,543 --> 00:04:00,804 where she goes to school? 80 00:04:00,805 --> 00:04:03,503 No, but she walks past me every morning 81 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:05,244 coming from downtown. 82 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:07,594 There's only one set of steps downtown from here, 83 00:04:07,595 --> 00:04:09,552 at Gansevoort Street. 84 00:04:09,553 --> 00:04:12,294 There's a Sal's Bagel there too. 85 00:04:12,295 --> 00:04:13,818 Thank you. 86 00:04:16,778 --> 00:04:19,606 We are very sorry to inform you that the cashier 87 00:04:19,607 --> 00:04:21,434 at the bagel store down the street 88 00:04:21,435 --> 00:04:23,784 identified your daughter Emily Chapman. 89 00:04:23,785 --> 00:04:26,395 Why? I don't understand. 90 00:04:26,396 --> 00:04:28,092 She was found dead this morning 91 00:04:28,093 --> 00:04:29,833 next to the High Line. 92 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:31,313 What? 93 00:04:31,314 --> 00:04:33,228 Were these your daughter's belongings? 94 00:04:33,229 --> 00:04:35,274 Uh--I-- 95 00:04:35,275 --> 00:04:37,319 no, this isn't possible. 96 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,712 If it's all right, we do have some questions that we need-- 97 00:04:38,713 --> 00:04:40,888 Mel? Mel? 98 00:04:40,889 --> 00:04:42,281 The precinct called, left a message. 99 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:44,108 Something about Emily. 100 00:04:44,109 --> 00:04:46,546 What's going on? 101 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:48,809 - I don't-- - Honey. 102 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:52,856 What's going on? Come here. - No! 103 00:04:52,857 --> 00:04:54,118 Emily's 12. 104 00:04:54,119 --> 00:04:56,338 Our oldest. 105 00:04:56,339 --> 00:05:00,777 We have, uh--had three girls. 106 00:05:00,778 --> 00:05:04,868 Was Emily having any problems lately? 107 00:05:04,869 --> 00:05:06,130 No. 108 00:05:06,131 --> 00:05:07,523 She was a great kid. 109 00:05:07,524 --> 00:05:09,438 Smart. Happy. 110 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,920 Any issues at school? 111 00:05:12,921 --> 00:05:14,791 Nothing serious. 112 00:05:14,792 --> 00:05:18,621 Run-of-the-mill mean girl-type stuff, but no. 113 00:05:18,622 --> 00:05:20,144 If there's any reason to believe 114 00:05:20,145 --> 00:05:21,842 that she might have jumped... 115 00:05:21,843 --> 00:05:23,147 Not a chance. 116 00:05:23,148 --> 00:05:24,845 She was strong. 117 00:05:24,846 --> 00:05:26,586 Oh, God, how are we going to tell Amanda? 118 00:05:26,587 --> 00:05:29,589 Hey. Hey. It's OK. 119 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:31,112 Amanda's our ten-year-old. 120 00:05:31,113 --> 00:05:32,940 She and Emily were very close. 121 00:05:32,941 --> 00:05:34,637 She's on her way home from school right now. 122 00:05:34,638 --> 00:05:36,552 I'll be here. It's OK. 123 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:39,990 Ugh, I'm sorry. 124 00:05:39,991 --> 00:05:41,340 I have to feed the baby. 125 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:43,472 I've been home all morning 126 00:05:43,473 --> 00:05:45,648 trying to get her to take a bottle. 127 00:05:45,649 --> 00:05:47,955 Sophie's seven months. 128 00:05:55,137 --> 00:05:58,835 If you think of anything else that might be helpful. 129 00:05:58,836 --> 00:06:00,359 Thank you. 130 00:06:02,971 --> 00:06:05,668 Emily's been with us since she was six years old. 131 00:06:05,669 --> 00:06:07,757 Always willing to roll up her sleeves, 132 00:06:07,758 --> 00:06:09,193 work hard. 133 00:06:09,194 --> 00:06:11,935 No sense of entitlement despite her family being-- 134 00:06:11,936 --> 00:06:13,633 Loaded? 135 00:06:13,634 --> 00:06:15,635 Her father runs a hedge fund, and he has been 136 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:18,159 very generous to the school. - Mm. 137 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,423 Was Emily having any problems in school that you know of? 138 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:22,903 No. 139 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:25,427 Well, her father mentioned that she was having 140 00:06:25,428 --> 00:06:27,298 some mean girl issues. 141 00:06:27,299 --> 00:06:28,735 Do you know anything about that? 142 00:06:28,736 --> 00:06:31,564 Middle school is an emotional minefield. 143 00:06:31,565 --> 00:06:35,959 Emily was a thoughtful and sensitive girl. 144 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,483 I think she just couldn't understand 145 00:06:37,484 --> 00:06:39,702 how anyone could be so cruel to her. 146 00:06:39,703 --> 00:06:41,443 Well, who was being so cruel? 147 00:06:41,444 --> 00:06:43,576 Do you have a name? 148 00:06:43,577 --> 00:06:45,708 Gabby Feliciano. 149 00:06:45,709 --> 00:06:48,711 She trashed Emily's locker a week back. 150 00:06:48,712 --> 00:06:52,933 Tore up her posters and her notebooks. 151 00:06:52,934 --> 00:06:57,024 Emily and I were besties since kindergarten. 152 00:06:57,025 --> 00:07:00,419 Then a few months ago, she starts ignoring me, 153 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,421 stops inviting me over. 154 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,335 You see her on the way to school today? 155 00:07:04,336 --> 00:07:05,554 No. 156 00:07:05,555 --> 00:07:07,121 You sure about that, Gabby? 157 00:07:07,122 --> 00:07:08,209 Positive. 158 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:09,471 I was at my psychologist's office 159 00:07:09,472 --> 00:07:11,081 this morning until 11:00 AM. 160 00:07:11,082 --> 00:07:13,215 OK, we're going to need that name and number. 161 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:20,003 My parents are convinced I have anger issues. 162 00:07:20,004 --> 00:07:23,093 Because you trashed Emily's locker? 163 00:07:23,094 --> 00:07:27,271 Dr. Kay thinks it's more about insecurity and jealousy 164 00:07:27,272 --> 00:07:30,579 because Coach Redmond liked Emily more than me. 165 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:31,885 Who's Coach Redmond? 166 00:07:31,886 --> 00:07:34,017 The new volleyball coach. 167 00:07:34,018 --> 00:07:34,931 He's really hot. 168 00:07:34,932 --> 00:07:37,368 Looks like Timothée Chalamet. 169 00:07:37,369 --> 00:07:38,892 Emily was his favorite. 170 00:07:38,893 --> 00:07:40,415 What do you mean by that? 171 00:07:40,416 --> 00:07:44,201 He picked her out of nowhere to be the main setter. 172 00:07:44,202 --> 00:07:47,161 He gave her private practice sessions too. 173 00:07:50,861 --> 00:07:54,124 I'm not seeing the Timothée Chalamet thing here. 174 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:55,952 Well, you're not a 13-year-old girl 175 00:07:55,953 --> 00:07:57,780 stuck at a single-sex school. 176 00:07:57,781 --> 00:07:59,260 Does our coach have a record? 177 00:07:59,261 --> 00:08:01,392 Nope, and no civil suits. 178 00:08:01,393 --> 00:08:02,959 He joined Liberty Girls Volleyball 179 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,874 this year after a two-year stint 180 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:07,268 in an all-girls school in Boston. 181 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:09,357 Before that, he coached a girls' volleyball club 182 00:08:09,358 --> 00:08:10,445 up in Maine. 183 00:08:10,446 --> 00:08:11,838 So he doesn't stay put for long. 184 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:13,666 Yeah, and he only coaches young girls. 185 00:08:13,667 --> 00:08:15,537 So do we have any kind of electronic trail 186 00:08:15,538 --> 00:08:16,625 between him and our vic? 187 00:08:16,626 --> 00:08:18,148 Nothing in her call or text logs. 188 00:08:18,149 --> 00:08:19,628 But she did have a Quickchat account, 189 00:08:19,629 --> 00:08:21,412 and there was a long streak of messages 190 00:08:21,413 --> 00:08:23,589 between her and someone named Coach. 191 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:24,938 Were they all deleted? 192 00:08:24,939 --> 00:08:27,462 They auto-deleted after 24 hours. 193 00:08:27,463 --> 00:08:31,248 But actually, I think we can read her last message. 194 00:08:31,249 --> 00:08:34,991 It was sent this morning an hour before the murder. 195 00:08:34,992 --> 00:08:38,342 "Sorry, Coach, I can't do this anymore." 196 00:08:40,258 --> 00:08:41,520 Let's go. 197 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:53,793 Come on, girls. Game speed. 198 00:08:53,794 --> 00:08:55,099 Hey. 199 00:08:57,145 --> 00:08:59,886 Quickchatting with a 12-year-old? 200 00:08:59,887 --> 00:09:01,540 Excuse me? 201 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,324 Emily Chapman. 202 00:09:03,325 --> 00:09:04,499 You've been Quickchatting with her 203 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:07,589 for 20 days straight now, huh? 204 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:08,764 How dare you suggest-- 205 00:09:08,765 --> 00:09:10,287 Spare me your outrage, Coach, all right? 206 00:09:10,288 --> 00:09:11,811 Because I'm really not in the mood for it right now. 207 00:09:11,812 --> 00:09:13,552 What happened, huh? 208 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:16,032 That text she sent you this morning really piss you off? 209 00:09:16,033 --> 00:09:17,512 What are you talking about? 210 00:09:17,513 --> 00:09:18,948 Emily is dead. 211 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:20,429 What? 212 00:09:23,824 --> 00:09:27,130 Emily. 213 00:09:27,131 --> 00:09:29,916 I was worried about her. 214 00:09:29,917 --> 00:09:31,439 Did she-- 215 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,354 We found her underneath the High Line this morning. 216 00:09:33,355 --> 00:09:36,662 What makes you think she might have killed herself? 217 00:09:36,663 --> 00:09:41,405 Something was going on at school or at home. 218 00:09:41,406 --> 00:09:42,842 She wouldn't confide. 219 00:09:42,843 --> 00:09:45,540 So yeah, I got a little more involved in her life. 220 00:09:45,541 --> 00:09:47,455 With private coaching sessions 221 00:09:47,456 --> 00:09:49,457 and disappearing messages on an app 222 00:09:49,458 --> 00:09:51,067 with a known pedophile fan base, huh? 223 00:09:51,068 --> 00:09:53,679 I offered her one-on-one coaching. 224 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:57,030 Thought maybe she just needed some attention. 225 00:09:57,031 --> 00:09:59,206 She sent you a text this morning 226 00:09:59,207 --> 00:10:01,164 an hour before she died. 227 00:10:01,165 --> 00:10:05,386 "I can't do this anymore." 228 00:10:05,387 --> 00:10:07,040 So it doesn't seem like Emily was enjoying 229 00:10:07,041 --> 00:10:09,651 all of this attention that you were showering upon her. 230 00:10:09,652 --> 00:10:13,176 No, she meant the private workouts. 231 00:10:13,177 --> 00:10:14,743 Her mother thought I was corrupting her. 232 00:10:14,744 --> 00:10:17,050 Yeah, I can't imagine why a mother would have a problem 233 00:10:17,051 --> 00:10:18,486 with this relationship. 234 00:10:18,487 --> 00:10:20,880 You don't happen to have an alibi for this morning 235 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:24,057 between 7:00 and 7:30 AM? 236 00:10:24,058 --> 00:10:25,885 I was home. 237 00:10:25,886 --> 00:10:27,103 By myself. 238 00:10:29,411 --> 00:10:32,848 Well, the jury's really going to love that. 239 00:10:32,849 --> 00:10:36,461 We'll be in touch, Coach. 240 00:10:38,594 --> 00:10:41,161 Well, he knows all the right buzzwords, that's for sure. 241 00:10:41,162 --> 00:10:43,206 Mm-hmm, caring and empathetic coach. 242 00:10:43,207 --> 00:10:44,730 Girls fall for it all the time. 243 00:10:44,731 --> 00:10:47,776 Say for the moment that we believe Coach Redmond. 244 00:10:47,777 --> 00:10:49,343 It seems like there's a possibility 245 00:10:49,344 --> 00:10:50,910 that something's off at home. 246 00:10:50,911 --> 00:10:52,215 No, he's deflecting. 247 00:10:52,216 --> 00:10:53,695 He's blaming the parents, the family. 248 00:10:53,696 --> 00:10:55,523 I mean, that's how these pricks operate. 249 00:10:55,524 --> 00:10:57,917 Either way, I think we should talk to the mom one more time. 250 00:10:57,918 --> 00:10:59,353 All right. 251 00:10:59,354 --> 00:11:00,571 You know what? 252 00:11:00,572 --> 00:11:02,922 I just want to make one stop first. 253 00:11:04,707 --> 00:11:06,882 Hey, I thought you weren't supposed to be 254 00:11:06,883 --> 00:11:08,492 checking your phone in school. 255 00:11:08,493 --> 00:11:09,929 Did you really send me a 256 00:11:09,930 --> 00:11:13,280 "Bridge, I need to talk to you ASAP" text as a test? 257 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:16,762 No, I really need to talk to you. 258 00:11:16,763 --> 00:11:19,025 Wait, is everything OK? 259 00:11:19,026 --> 00:11:20,287 Is Mom-- 260 00:11:20,288 --> 00:11:21,941 No, no, no. Everything's fine. 261 00:11:21,942 --> 00:11:23,377 Everything's fine. 262 00:11:23,378 --> 00:11:26,032 Look, I'm sorry if I haven't been taking 263 00:11:26,033 --> 00:11:28,121 your problems seriously. 264 00:11:30,515 --> 00:11:32,603 I mean, you know that if there's ever anything wrong, 265 00:11:32,604 --> 00:11:35,781 you can talk to me, right? 266 00:11:35,782 --> 00:11:37,347 You know, if I'm not paying attention 267 00:11:37,348 --> 00:11:40,263 or if I'm checked out 268 00:11:40,264 --> 00:11:41,743 or if I'm just being an idiot or something, 269 00:11:41,744 --> 00:11:45,094 I mean, you just-- you keep talking, all right? 270 00:11:47,358 --> 00:11:48,402 You promise? 271 00:11:51,798 --> 00:11:53,276 Bad day at work? 272 00:11:56,019 --> 00:11:58,325 Yeah, a bad day. 273 00:11:58,326 --> 00:12:00,240 Can I get you some coffee? 274 00:12:00,241 --> 00:12:02,808 I don't know where the filters are, 275 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:04,157 but I know we have some. 276 00:12:04,158 --> 00:12:05,332 We're OK. 277 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:08,552 We just have a few more questions. 278 00:12:08,553 --> 00:12:10,511 OK. 279 00:12:10,512 --> 00:12:12,905 Derek had to run out for a minute, 280 00:12:12,906 --> 00:12:15,603 and the baby's been crying. 281 00:12:15,604 --> 00:12:17,431 Honestly, it's just a couple questions, 282 00:12:17,432 --> 00:12:18,606 if that's all right. 283 00:12:18,607 --> 00:12:20,042 Yeah. 284 00:12:22,698 --> 00:12:24,917 How was Emily doing here at home? 285 00:12:24,918 --> 00:12:26,832 Was everything OK? 286 00:12:26,833 --> 00:12:28,355 What do you mean? 287 00:12:28,356 --> 00:12:31,445 Was she having any problems with her sister Amanda, 288 00:12:31,446 --> 00:12:34,100 with her dad, with you? 289 00:12:34,101 --> 00:12:35,449 It's--it's always hard 290 00:12:35,450 --> 00:12:37,321 to bring a new baby into the home. 291 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,674 I think Emily and Amanda were both feeling kind of ignored, 292 00:12:43,675 --> 00:12:48,289 but, I mean, she seemed fine. 293 00:12:49,464 --> 00:12:51,334 We spoke to her volleyball coach. 294 00:12:51,335 --> 00:12:52,727 Coach Redmond? 295 00:12:52,728 --> 00:12:55,469 Yeah, what'd that creep have to say? 296 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:56,949 Not a fan, huh? 297 00:12:56,950 --> 00:13:00,169 He is a grown man who spends way too much time 298 00:13:00,170 --> 00:13:01,562 talking to a 12-year-old girl. 299 00:13:01,563 --> 00:13:03,216 And the other day, I see him near our building. 300 00:13:03,217 --> 00:13:04,391 He was here? 301 00:13:04,392 --> 00:13:05,740 Like, you think he was stalking her? 302 00:13:05,741 --> 00:13:07,786 Yes. Yeah, he was obsessed. 303 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:10,876 Did you file a police report? 304 00:13:10,877 --> 00:13:14,357 No, I confronted him 305 00:13:14,358 --> 00:13:16,533 and I told him I knew what he was up to. 306 00:13:16,534 --> 00:13:20,755 But he lied and said he was just getting coffee. 307 00:13:20,756 --> 00:13:22,235 That's why you wanted to yank her 308 00:13:22,236 --> 00:13:23,236 from the volleyball club? 309 00:13:23,237 --> 00:13:24,585 Exactly. 310 00:13:24,586 --> 00:13:28,937 I didn't need dark intentions around my child. 311 00:13:28,938 --> 00:13:30,460 Dark intentions? 312 00:13:32,768 --> 00:13:37,816 Yeah, I'm really good at sensing people's true motives. 313 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:41,428 I'm sorry, can I ask why you didn't mention this earlier? 314 00:13:41,429 --> 00:13:45,911 I--my mind-- I can't explain it. 315 00:13:45,912 --> 00:13:47,913 My mind just kind of switched to something else, 316 00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:51,133 to my--to my other girls, 317 00:13:51,134 --> 00:13:54,006 Amanda and Sophie. 318 00:13:54,007 --> 00:13:56,095 They're all that matter. 319 00:14:00,752 --> 00:14:02,579 Anything more on Coach Redmond? 320 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:05,104 I've been scouring video from outside the coffee shop 321 00:14:05,105 --> 00:14:07,019 where Melinda Chapman saw him. 322 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:08,759 No evidence this guy was anywhere in the vicinity 323 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,413 the morning of the murder. 324 00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:12,589 So Mom thinks the coach is an obsessed creep, 325 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:14,417 but we can't put him anywhere near the Chapmans' 326 00:14:14,418 --> 00:14:15,810 or the High Line that morning. 327 00:14:15,811 --> 00:14:17,551 I respect a mom's intuition. 328 00:14:17,552 --> 00:14:19,031 OK, keep looking, but we're going to need 329 00:14:19,032 --> 00:14:20,380 some actual evidence. 330 00:14:20,381 --> 00:14:22,862 Wait a second. Check this out. 331 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:28,431 Look who was outside the coffee shop at 7:40 AM. 332 00:14:28,432 --> 00:14:30,607 Five minutes after the 911 call. 333 00:14:34,395 --> 00:14:36,222 Good morning, guys. 334 00:14:36,223 --> 00:14:37,571 You must be Amanda. 335 00:14:37,572 --> 00:14:39,790 Hey, I can't really talk right now. 336 00:14:39,791 --> 00:14:41,053 Oh, this will just take a second. 337 00:14:41,054 --> 00:14:42,924 Need a little clarification on something. 338 00:14:42,925 --> 00:14:44,665 Would you mind stepping over here with me? 339 00:14:44,666 --> 00:14:46,623 Yeah. Mom, will you watch them for a second? 340 00:14:46,624 --> 00:14:48,930 - I got it. - OK. 341 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:49,931 How can I help? 342 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:51,672 Well, yesterday you mentioned 343 00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:54,370 that you were stuck at home with the baby all morning. 344 00:14:54,371 --> 00:14:55,502 Yeah, that's right. 345 00:14:55,503 --> 00:14:57,460 So at the time of Emily's death, 346 00:14:57,461 --> 00:15:00,072 7:20, 7:30 AM, you were... 347 00:15:00,073 --> 00:15:01,421 Why are you asking? 348 00:15:01,422 --> 00:15:03,031 Oh, well, we just, you know, have to cross off 349 00:15:03,032 --> 00:15:04,815 certain scenarios, eliminate suspects. 350 00:15:04,816 --> 00:15:06,165 Just a matter of protocol. 351 00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:07,775 Right. 352 00:15:07,776 --> 00:15:11,344 Well, I was home, so you can go ahead and cross me off. 353 00:15:11,345 --> 00:15:12,519 If you don't mind... 354 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,216 Actually, you know what? I do mind. 355 00:15:14,217 --> 00:15:16,871 Because we've got video of you 356 00:15:16,872 --> 00:15:18,917 out on the street that morning. 357 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,963 That's you, black coat, burgundy hat, 358 00:15:21,964 --> 00:15:23,834 in front of the coffee shop a block from your house 359 00:15:23,835 --> 00:15:26,185 not five minutes after the 911 call came in. 360 00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:30,798 I want a lawyer. 361 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:32,582 I think that'd be a good idea. 362 00:15:35,673 --> 00:15:36,717 What's going on? 363 00:15:36,718 --> 00:15:38,284 Hey, I love you, all right? 364 00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:39,938 Keep an eye on Sophie, all right? 365 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:42,201 It's OK. 366 00:15:49,122 --> 00:15:51,819 Come on, Lieutenant, haven't you heard of mommy brain? 367 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:53,690 My client had an innocent slip of memory. 368 00:15:53,691 --> 00:15:54,996 Tell her, Melinda. 369 00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,998 Yeah, I ran out for baby wipes. 370 00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:58,478 Totally forgot. 371 00:15:58,479 --> 00:16:00,480 Are you really going to grill a sleep-deprived mom 372 00:16:00,481 --> 00:16:02,003 of a seven-month-old 373 00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:03,874 whose daughter was just murdered 374 00:16:03,875 --> 00:16:06,486 over a blurred recollection? 375 00:16:06,487 --> 00:16:08,009 You're right. 376 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:10,185 I mean, I remember the first few months with an infant. 377 00:16:10,186 --> 00:16:14,407 The days are blurry and everything is just foggy. 378 00:16:14,408 --> 00:16:17,845 So we got ahold of some additional surveillance video 379 00:16:17,846 --> 00:16:22,589 to remind your client what she was doing that morning. 380 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:25,026 So that's you right there at 7:08, 381 00:16:25,027 --> 00:16:27,246 leaving your apartment building a few minutes after 382 00:16:27,247 --> 00:16:28,943 your husband left with Emily, 383 00:16:28,944 --> 00:16:31,946 wearing that same dark coat and burgundy hat 384 00:16:31,947 --> 00:16:34,209 we saw you wearing near the coffee shop. 385 00:16:34,210 --> 00:16:38,039 And we found some more video of someone wearing 386 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,435 the same coat and hat entering the High Line at 7:20, 387 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:44,306 just minutes before Emily died. 388 00:16:46,483 --> 00:16:49,007 And then this last one. 389 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:50,965 We tracked down all of the buses 390 00:16:50,966 --> 00:16:53,968 parked on 10th Avenue, near where Emily was killed, 391 00:16:53,969 --> 00:16:56,405 and we found some dash cam footage... 392 00:16:59,888 --> 00:17:03,673 Of you pushing your daughter over the railing. 393 00:17:03,674 --> 00:17:06,372 Does that jog your memory, or do you want to stick 394 00:17:06,373 --> 00:17:09,244 with the baby wipe story? 395 00:17:09,245 --> 00:17:10,506 My client is done here. 396 00:17:10,507 --> 00:17:11,594 That's one way to put it. 397 00:17:15,295 --> 00:17:16,643 Melinda Chapman, stand up 398 00:17:16,644 --> 00:17:17,774 and place your hands behind your back. 399 00:17:17,775 --> 00:17:20,429 You're under arrest. 400 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:24,303 I mean, what kind of woman kills her own child? 401 00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:26,044 A saint. 402 00:17:35,184 --> 00:17:37,620 - How did she plea? - Not guilty, as expected. 403 00:17:37,621 --> 00:17:39,187 Are you seeking the death penalty? 404 00:17:39,188 --> 00:17:41,407 New York outlawed the death penalty years ago. 405 00:17:41,408 --> 00:17:43,104 Is it true that Melinda was smiling 406 00:17:43,105 --> 00:17:44,105 throughout the entire arraignment? 407 00:17:44,106 --> 00:17:45,454 No comment. 408 00:17:45,455 --> 00:17:46,803 Melinda may have been abusing her daughter-- 409 00:17:46,804 --> 00:17:48,718 I have no comment. We're still investigating. 410 00:17:48,719 --> 00:17:50,459 Thank you. I have no comment. - Why are you hiding the facts? 411 00:17:50,460 --> 00:17:52,113 - Thank you. - Why are you hiding the facts? 412 00:17:52,114 --> 00:17:53,593 We have a right to know why this monster 413 00:17:53,594 --> 00:17:55,073 killed her daughter. 414 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:58,293 It's funny, the reporters thought I was deflecting, 415 00:17:58,294 --> 00:18:00,208 that I didn't want to tell them 416 00:18:00,209 --> 00:18:02,297 why Melinda killed her daughter. 417 00:18:02,298 --> 00:18:05,953 But I still truly have no idea. 418 00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:08,738 Apparently, she was a great mom, 419 00:18:08,739 --> 00:18:10,653 great wife, great friend. 420 00:18:10,654 --> 00:18:15,223 No suspicious emails or texts between Emily and her either. 421 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:18,183 Nothing that can explain this act of violence. 422 00:18:18,184 --> 00:18:20,968 Good news is, we don't need motive. 423 00:18:20,969 --> 00:18:23,666 We don't have to establish why Melinda killed Emily. 424 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:25,190 We just need to prove that she did. 425 00:18:30,718 --> 00:18:33,023 That is her attorney. 426 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,330 Plans to change Melinda's plea. 427 00:18:35,331 --> 00:18:38,028 Not guilty by reason of insanity? 428 00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:39,639 Legally, it's a stretch. 429 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,554 But based on what her attorney told us 430 00:18:41,555 --> 00:18:43,164 and the defendant's medical records, 431 00:18:43,165 --> 00:18:44,513 it's clear she had been struggling 432 00:18:44,514 --> 00:18:46,907 with postpartum depression prior to the murder. 433 00:18:46,908 --> 00:18:48,387 The victim was 12 years old. 434 00:18:48,388 --> 00:18:50,389 Yes, but there was a baby in the house, 435 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:52,434 a seven-months-old sister. 436 00:18:52,435 --> 00:18:54,871 But the mother killed Emily, her oldest daughter? 437 00:18:54,872 --> 00:18:57,178 Yeah, I'm not an expert in how this works, Nick. 438 00:18:57,179 --> 00:18:59,180 All I'm saying is, there is credible evidence 439 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,356 that Melinda sought psychiatric help 440 00:19:01,357 --> 00:19:02,836 prior to the murder. 441 00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:04,838 Have one of our psychiatrists evaluate her. 442 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:08,058 Let's see how real her postpartum is. 443 00:19:12,238 --> 00:19:13,977 I need to see Sophie, please. 444 00:19:13,978 --> 00:19:15,936 Please, can I see my baby? 445 00:19:15,937 --> 00:19:18,895 We can't let you do that right now, Melinda. 446 00:19:18,896 --> 00:19:20,201 But she's OK? 447 00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:21,898 Yes, she's fine. 448 00:19:21,899 --> 00:19:23,291 OK. 449 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:24,771 Do you know why you're here, Melinda? 450 00:19:24,772 --> 00:19:26,207 In jail? 451 00:19:26,208 --> 00:19:29,079 Yeah, because I had to protect my baby. 452 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,256 - Protect Sophie? - Mm. 453 00:19:31,257 --> 00:19:32,257 From what? 454 00:19:32,258 --> 00:19:35,434 From Emily. 455 00:19:35,435 --> 00:19:39,089 I couldn't just let it happen. 456 00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:40,917 Let what happen? 457 00:19:40,918 --> 00:19:42,223 Let Emily kill her. 458 00:19:44,313 --> 00:19:46,749 Emily was going to kill her sister? 459 00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:51,058 That's-- that's why I did what I-- 460 00:19:51,059 --> 00:19:52,059 but she's safe? 461 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:53,669 Sophie's OK? 462 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:56,716 Yes, she's home with your husband. 463 00:19:58,849 --> 00:20:02,243 What made you think Emily had this intention 464 00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:05,942 to kill her sister? 465 00:20:05,943 --> 00:20:07,640 The voice told me. 466 00:20:07,641 --> 00:20:11,252 This voice... 467 00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:14,124 do you still hear it? 468 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:16,997 All the time. 469 00:20:16,998 --> 00:20:19,129 I'm hearing it right now. 470 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:20,870 What's it saying? 471 00:20:22,569 --> 00:20:25,223 He doesn't think you're here to help. 472 00:20:28,270 --> 00:20:29,966 That poor woman. 473 00:20:29,967 --> 00:20:31,272 Look at her. 474 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:34,275 She could be a very good actress. 475 00:20:34,276 --> 00:20:37,060 It's possible, but we haven't been able 476 00:20:37,061 --> 00:20:39,759 to find a single logical reason for this murder 477 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,891 except for her being mentally ill. 478 00:20:43,894 --> 00:20:47,201 I have some more work to do, but it's clear she's struggling 479 00:20:47,202 --> 00:20:49,116 with severe mental illness. 480 00:20:49,117 --> 00:20:51,510 There's no chance she's faking it? 481 00:20:51,511 --> 00:20:53,642 Not in my opinion, but you should check 482 00:20:53,643 --> 00:20:55,296 with any other mental health professional 483 00:20:55,297 --> 00:20:57,167 she might have consulted prior to the murder. 484 00:21:00,171 --> 00:21:04,566 I met Melinda a week before her daughter passed away. 485 00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:08,831 She called our intake line early one morning very upset. 486 00:21:08,832 --> 00:21:12,139 Said she thought demons were being sent to kill her baby 487 00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:15,577 and that her daughter Emily was one of those demons. 488 00:21:15,578 --> 00:21:17,013 Right. 489 00:21:17,014 --> 00:21:19,842 And this--this was all due to postpartum depression? 490 00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:22,889 No, this was full-on postpartum psychosis. 491 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,587 The depression escalated and triggered 492 00:21:25,588 --> 00:21:28,024 the presentation of an underlying mental condition 493 00:21:28,025 --> 00:21:29,417 she never knew she had. 494 00:21:29,418 --> 00:21:31,506 So she came here to your office, and then what? 495 00:21:31,507 --> 00:21:34,553 I evaluated her and immediately recommended 496 00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:36,816 she check into our day hospital in Midtown, 497 00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:39,732 where we'd monitor her, medicate her, 498 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:42,212 help look after Sophie while she recovered. 499 00:21:42,213 --> 00:21:45,215 The condition is treatable. 500 00:21:45,216 --> 00:21:47,217 So what happened? 501 00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:49,002 Her husband wasn't interested. 502 00:21:49,003 --> 00:21:51,091 He thought I was making a big deal out of nothing. 503 00:21:51,092 --> 00:21:55,530 I tried to persuade Melinda to stay, but... 504 00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:57,271 Did you prescribe medication? 505 00:21:57,272 --> 00:21:58,359 Zyprexa. 506 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,230 It's an antipsychotic. 507 00:22:00,231 --> 00:22:03,364 I told her she needed to take it. 508 00:22:03,365 --> 00:22:06,933 But he ripped it up right in front of me, 509 00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:10,850 said he didn't believe in psych meds. 510 00:22:10,851 --> 00:22:12,678 When our detectives talked to Melinda, 511 00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:15,811 they said they didn't see any sign of psychosis. 512 00:22:15,812 --> 00:22:18,901 Patients can have moments of lucidity 513 00:22:18,902 --> 00:22:22,252 interrupted by bursts of 514 00:22:22,253 --> 00:22:25,908 what a layman would call total insanity. 515 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:29,390 The condition doesn't announce itself to the outside world. 516 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:31,349 But her husband knew. 517 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:34,439 I promise, he's the one responsible 518 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,788 for that girl's death. 519 00:22:42,883 --> 00:22:44,710 Both psychiatrists believe she's struggling 520 00:22:44,711 --> 00:22:45,798 with postpartum psychosis 521 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,408 seven months after she gave birth? 522 00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:51,238 Apparently, this disease can last a year or longer. 523 00:22:51,239 --> 00:22:53,545 OK, well, for now, let's concede 524 00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:56,199 that she's struggling with some form of mental illness. 525 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,985 Doesn't mean we should accept her insanity plea. 526 00:22:58,986 --> 00:23:00,421 She lied to the police. 527 00:23:00,422 --> 00:23:01,683 She lawyered up. 528 00:23:01,684 --> 00:23:02,728 Proves she knew right from wrong. 529 00:23:02,729 --> 00:23:04,251 Maybe. 530 00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:06,471 Either way, Sam and I both feel 531 00:23:06,472 --> 00:23:08,951 that the husband is actually more culpable. 532 00:23:08,952 --> 00:23:10,431 The husband? 533 00:23:10,432 --> 00:23:11,737 How's that? 534 00:23:11,738 --> 00:23:14,304 We talked to three of her closest friends. 535 00:23:14,305 --> 00:23:19,919 They all confirmed Derek is very intense and controlling. 536 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,400 Former Navy SEAL. All of that. 537 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,924 He actively prevented Melinda from taking 538 00:23:24,925 --> 00:23:27,405 antipsychotic medication prescribed by a doctor, 539 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:29,929 knowing that she was hearing voices, 540 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:31,278 was talking about demons... 541 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,454 And that she presented a legitimate threat 542 00:23:33,455 --> 00:23:34,803 to her children's lives. 543 00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:36,022 So you want to go after him for what, 544 00:23:36,023 --> 00:23:37,763 criminally negligent homicide? 545 00:23:37,764 --> 00:23:39,721 Man two. 546 00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:40,983 That's a big swing. 547 00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:42,376 No, that's the right move, Nick. 548 00:23:42,377 --> 00:23:45,423 This could set a dangerous precedent. 549 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,687 Legal insanity is an incredibly high threshold. 550 00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,689 If what we've heard is true, 551 00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:53,126 then Melinda was clearly suffering 552 00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:54,388 from severe psychosis. 553 00:23:54,389 --> 00:23:56,564 She literally thought her daughter Emily 554 00:23:56,565 --> 00:23:57,783 was trying to kill her baby. 555 00:23:57,784 --> 00:24:00,133 How is that not legal insanity? 556 00:24:00,134 --> 00:24:02,701 And if it isn't, well, that's on us, 557 00:24:02,702 --> 00:24:04,398 because it damn well should be. 558 00:24:04,399 --> 00:24:06,618 We should be trying to help Melinda, 559 00:24:06,619 --> 00:24:08,533 not crucify her. 560 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,668 You're right. 561 00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:16,192 And this father, 562 00:24:16,193 --> 00:24:18,281 if he truly could have prevented this tragedy 563 00:24:18,282 --> 00:24:22,460 and didn't, he needs to pay. 564 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:24,897 Based on a review of the evidence 565 00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,986 and conversations with medical experts, 566 00:24:26,987 --> 00:24:30,076 we are prepared to accept your insanity plea. 567 00:24:30,077 --> 00:24:34,776 We also intend to charge your husband 568 00:24:34,777 --> 00:24:36,822 with manslaughter, 569 00:24:36,823 --> 00:24:41,000 which means we will need your cooperation. 570 00:24:41,001 --> 00:24:43,481 What--what do you mean? 571 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,788 We want you to tell the jury what actually happened-- 572 00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:48,790 that Derek prevented you from getting 573 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:50,705 the psychiatric help that you needed. 574 00:24:53,448 --> 00:24:57,495 So you want to send Derek to prison? 575 00:24:57,496 --> 00:24:59,845 He needs to be held accountable. 576 00:24:59,846 --> 00:25:02,369 That means--no. 577 00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:06,416 I have two little girls at home, and they need him. 578 00:25:06,417 --> 00:25:08,201 If you continue to get better, 579 00:25:08,202 --> 00:25:09,855 you'll be able to go home pretty soon. 580 00:25:09,856 --> 00:25:12,031 Look, Ms. Chapman, the fact is, 581 00:25:12,032 --> 00:25:15,208 Derek committed a crime. 582 00:25:15,209 --> 00:25:18,037 His actions helped cause your daughter's death. 583 00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:24,565 So what do you want me to do? 584 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:31,920 The voices started a few weeks after Sophie was born. 585 00:25:31,921 --> 00:25:35,707 Can you be more specific? 586 00:25:35,708 --> 00:25:39,232 It's hard to explain, but... 587 00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:42,714 it's like someone else was in the room. 588 00:25:42,715 --> 00:25:47,675 And I couldn't see him, but he would talk to me, 589 00:25:47,676 --> 00:25:51,940 and I knew that he loved me. 590 00:25:51,941 --> 00:25:56,858 I'm not religious, but it was like I was talking to God. 591 00:25:56,859 --> 00:26:01,210 And he was telling me, warning me, 592 00:26:01,211 --> 00:26:05,345 that demons were trying to kill my baby. 593 00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:08,914 Was your husband aware you were hearing these voices? 594 00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,306 Yes. 595 00:26:10,307 --> 00:26:11,873 And what was his reaction? 596 00:26:11,874 --> 00:26:15,398 He said that they would go away. 597 00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:17,009 - Did you ask for help? - Yes. 598 00:26:17,010 --> 00:26:19,620 And was he supportive? 599 00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:20,969 Not really. 600 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:25,104 Derek doesn't believe in therapy or medication. 601 00:26:25,105 --> 00:26:26,758 Did you ever see a psychiatrist? 602 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:28,281 Once. 603 00:26:28,282 --> 00:26:31,632 Derek and I talked to someone named Dr. Burns. 604 00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:33,068 What did she recommend? 605 00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:35,723 She said that I should be admitted to her clinic 606 00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:39,988 and start taking an antipsychotic immediately-- 607 00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:41,076 Zyprexa. 608 00:26:41,077 --> 00:26:43,775 Did you follow her advice? 609 00:26:43,776 --> 00:26:44,776 No. 610 00:26:44,777 --> 00:26:45,951 Why not? 611 00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:48,257 Like I said, 612 00:26:48,258 --> 00:26:52,218 Derek doesn't believe in medication or therapy. 613 00:26:52,219 --> 00:26:54,263 Is there a reason for this? 614 00:26:54,264 --> 00:26:56,701 I think it has to do with his mother. 615 00:26:56,702 --> 00:27:01,314 She committed suicide when he was 16, 616 00:27:01,315 --> 00:27:04,491 and he blamed it on the medication she was taking. 617 00:27:04,492 --> 00:27:06,232 Why did you listen to your husband? 618 00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:08,016 Why didn't you just take the pills anyway? 619 00:27:08,017 --> 00:27:11,629 Because I--I was confused. 620 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,067 I wasn't well. I was ill. 621 00:27:16,373 --> 00:27:18,810 And I didn't want him to divorce me. 622 00:27:18,811 --> 00:27:20,333 Divorce you? 623 00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:23,423 Why'd you think that was even a possibility? 624 00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:28,080 Because he said it was, if I took the antipsychotic 625 00:27:28,081 --> 00:27:30,169 or went to the clinic. 626 00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:36,479 Can you please tell us the circumstances 627 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,221 surrounding your daughter Emily's death? 628 00:27:42,530 --> 00:27:46,794 The morning that Emily died, 629 00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:52,539 the voice was particularly loud and persuasive. 630 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:55,455 It was the most real thing in my mind. 631 00:27:55,456 --> 00:27:57,805 And... 632 00:27:57,806 --> 00:28:02,288 it told me that demons were going to kill my baby, Sophie, 633 00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:07,336 and that my daughter Emily 634 00:28:07,337 --> 00:28:11,950 was one of the demons. 635 00:28:11,951 --> 00:28:13,386 I found that hard to believe, 636 00:28:13,387 --> 00:28:16,258 but the voice said that's how demons present, 637 00:28:16,259 --> 00:28:19,218 as pretty, kind, caring. 638 00:28:19,219 --> 00:28:23,265 If they're young and innocent 639 00:28:23,266 --> 00:28:27,443 and you love them, that's how they succeed. 640 00:28:27,444 --> 00:28:30,577 I know it's hard to comprehend, but I literally thought 641 00:28:30,578 --> 00:28:32,840 that my beautiful daughter Emily was a monster 642 00:28:32,841 --> 00:28:36,235 and that she was going to kill her little sister. 643 00:28:36,236 --> 00:28:39,412 That's why I-- 644 00:28:39,413 --> 00:28:40,761 Thank you, Ms. Chapman. 645 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,589 I have nothing further. 646 00:28:47,421 --> 00:28:51,337 Ms. Chapman, you've accepted a plea 647 00:28:51,338 --> 00:28:53,513 with the district attorney's office acknowledging 648 00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:56,821 that you are legally insane, correct? 649 00:28:56,822 --> 00:28:58,083 That's correct. 650 00:28:58,084 --> 00:28:59,649 And legal insanity means 651 00:28:59,650 --> 00:29:01,347 that you can't tell the difference 652 00:29:01,348 --> 00:29:03,610 between right and wrong. 653 00:29:03,611 --> 00:29:06,918 You can't discern truth from hallucination. 654 00:29:06,919 --> 00:29:08,310 Correct? - Yes. 655 00:29:08,311 --> 00:29:11,226 So your testimony today about your husband 656 00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:13,228 is meaningless. 657 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:14,621 Objection. 658 00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:16,318 Sustained. 659 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:17,668 Ms. Wallace? 660 00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:26,241 Derek didn't physically prevent you from seeking help, 661 00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:27,503 did he? 662 00:29:27,504 --> 00:29:29,027 No. 663 00:29:29,028 --> 00:29:32,291 He didn't lock the door or handcuff you to a railing? 664 00:29:32,292 --> 00:29:33,814 No, of course not. 665 00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:36,338 So when you said Derek didn't allow you 666 00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:38,906 to get help, that's not true, is it? 667 00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:42,431 I suppose, but he definitely did not want me 668 00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:44,999 to take the antipsychotic or go back to that clinic. 669 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,480 He didn't want you to. 670 00:29:47,481 --> 00:29:51,919 That's a lot different than preventing you, isn't it? 671 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,490 What I'm getting at is that you and only you 672 00:29:57,491 --> 00:30:00,493 chose not to go to the motherhood clinic 673 00:30:00,494 --> 00:30:02,887 or call for another prescription. 674 00:30:02,888 --> 00:30:04,323 That is correct. 675 00:30:04,324 --> 00:30:06,804 But I was not well. 676 00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,631 But now you are? 677 00:30:08,632 --> 00:30:09,807 Yes. 678 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:11,373 I'm taking the medication that I needed, 679 00:30:11,374 --> 00:30:14,724 and I feel a lot more like myself. 680 00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:16,726 That's great. 681 00:30:16,727 --> 00:30:19,512 But it doesn't excuse what you did 682 00:30:19,513 --> 00:30:22,820 or justify the blame you are trying to pawn off on Derek. 683 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:24,212 I'm just telling you what happened. 684 00:30:24,213 --> 00:30:25,866 What happened? 685 00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:29,217 And by that, you mean killing your daughter Emily? 686 00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:30,741 Yes. 687 00:30:32,918 --> 00:30:35,354 This is you 688 00:30:35,355 --> 00:30:39,010 in this video obtained by police? 689 00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:42,143 Yes, that's me. 690 00:30:45,017 --> 00:30:47,888 And just so we're clear, 691 00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:50,499 you and only you 692 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,285 pushed her off the High Line, 693 00:30:53,286 --> 00:30:55,940 30 feet to her death? 694 00:30:59,031 --> 00:31:00,335 Yes. 695 00:31:00,336 --> 00:31:03,773 No further questions. 696 00:31:03,774 --> 00:31:04,905 People rest. 697 00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:11,259 Would you describe yourself as being perceptive? 698 00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:14,088 Someone capable of sensing problems, 699 00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:15,916 danger, imminent violence? 700 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:17,483 Yes, definitely. 701 00:31:17,484 --> 00:31:19,006 And why is that? 702 00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:20,703 It's just how I'm wired. 703 00:31:20,704 --> 00:31:23,184 And prior to my career in finance, 704 00:31:23,185 --> 00:31:24,751 I served in the navy. 705 00:31:24,752 --> 00:31:25,926 What division? 706 00:31:25,927 --> 00:31:27,710 Navy SEALS, Special Operations. 707 00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:30,235 So I've been trained to sense danger and react 708 00:31:30,236 --> 00:31:31,758 to potential threats. 709 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:35,240 Did you perceive that your wife was suffering 710 00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:37,807 from severe mental illness? 711 00:31:37,808 --> 00:31:39,374 No. 712 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:40,985 Did you think she posed a danger 713 00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:43,117 to herself or your family? 714 00:31:43,118 --> 00:31:44,249 Of course not. 715 00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:45,772 If I thought for one second 716 00:31:45,773 --> 00:31:47,208 any of my children were in danger, 717 00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:48,731 I would have done something about it. 718 00:31:48,732 --> 00:31:51,952 Mr. Chapman, why do you think 719 00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:55,695 Melinda killed your daughter Emily? 720 00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:57,349 When Sophie was born, 721 00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:59,394 Mel began to resent the other kids. 722 00:31:59,395 --> 00:32:01,222 She was feeling overwhelmed, 723 00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:03,485 said nothing was about her anymore, 724 00:32:03,486 --> 00:32:07,446 that no one was paying attention to her. 725 00:32:07,447 --> 00:32:11,145 And Emily and Mel were always fighting. 726 00:32:11,146 --> 00:32:14,235 She kept saying that life would be much easier 727 00:32:14,236 --> 00:32:15,845 without Emily here. 728 00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:18,979 I think she killed Emily because she was tired 729 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,547 of all the stress, all the fighting, 730 00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:24,463 and she wanted to put the focus back on herself. 731 00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:26,552 And not because she was suffering 732 00:32:26,553 --> 00:32:28,380 from postpartum psychosis? 733 00:32:28,381 --> 00:32:31,209 No, she was just using that psychobabble 734 00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:36,301 to justify the fact that she is a selfish and evil human being. 735 00:32:44,484 --> 00:32:46,572 That bastard has no shame. 736 00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:49,096 The jurors aren't stupid. They know he's lying. 737 00:32:49,097 --> 00:32:50,402 Maybe. 738 00:32:50,403 --> 00:32:52,882 Well, it turned into a "he said, she said." 739 00:32:52,883 --> 00:32:55,320 And problem is that she has admitted 740 00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:57,452 under oath to being legally insane 741 00:32:57,453 --> 00:32:58,932 and killing her daughter. 742 00:32:58,933 --> 00:33:02,544 If we cross him, he'll just keep lying. 743 00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:05,460 Well, now what? 744 00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:07,810 We find someone else to testify-- 745 00:33:07,811 --> 00:33:10,944 someone who can help us prove 746 00:33:10,945 --> 00:33:13,033 that Derek witnessed Melinda's psychosis 747 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:14,382 up close and personal. 748 00:33:14,383 --> 00:33:17,255 Someone who can 749 00:33:17,256 --> 00:33:20,736 prove that he knew his wife posed a threat. 750 00:33:20,737 --> 00:33:22,521 Like his daughter? 751 00:33:22,522 --> 00:33:24,524 Yeah. 752 00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:29,832 Amanda, after Sophie was born, 753 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:32,226 did your mom's behavior change? 754 00:33:32,227 --> 00:33:37,014 Yeah. She started acting weird. 755 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,841 Weird how? 756 00:33:38,842 --> 00:33:41,409 Can you give us an example? 757 00:33:41,410 --> 00:33:44,412 It's OK. 758 00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:46,545 She was just-- 759 00:33:46,546 --> 00:33:50,244 like, she'd be packing our lunches 760 00:33:50,245 --> 00:33:53,160 and then start talking to someone who wasn't there. 761 00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:55,554 So your dad noticed it too? 762 00:33:55,555 --> 00:34:00,124 Yeah, he said that if we ignored it 763 00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,951 that it would go away. 764 00:34:07,175 --> 00:34:11,744 Amanda, we would like you to say that in court. 765 00:34:11,745 --> 00:34:13,659 - Why? - Mandy. 766 00:34:13,660 --> 00:34:15,574 Sweetheart. Sweetie. 767 00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:18,707 How about you go start on that new puzzle we just got? 768 00:34:27,413 --> 00:34:29,544 Are you saying you want her to testify? 769 00:34:29,545 --> 00:34:31,720 Well, it's important that the jury knows 770 00:34:31,721 --> 00:34:33,722 that Derek was aware 771 00:34:33,723 --> 00:34:35,942 of Melinda's struggles with mental health. 772 00:34:35,943 --> 00:34:37,378 Emily would still be here 773 00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:40,555 if he had just taken it more seriously. 774 00:34:40,556 --> 00:34:44,124 Amanda can make sure he is held accountable. 775 00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:48,259 But Amanda, she's ten. 776 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:53,002 She cries so much at night that she can't sleep. 777 00:34:53,003 --> 00:34:54,439 She's started saying things like 778 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,791 she shouldn't be here anymore if Emily isn't. 779 00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:01,576 Blames herself for this. 780 00:35:01,577 --> 00:35:03,404 So I'm worried. 781 00:35:03,405 --> 00:35:09,193 I'm worried about her getting up there in court, 782 00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:11,456 laying blame on her father. 783 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:23,946 We have an offer-- 784 00:35:23,947 --> 00:35:25,948 one that will spare your daughter 785 00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:27,602 from having to testify. 786 00:35:27,603 --> 00:35:30,736 OK, let's hear it. 787 00:35:30,737 --> 00:35:33,478 Mr. Chapman pleads guilty to man two. 788 00:35:33,479 --> 00:35:37,003 We will recommend a sentence of three to five years. 789 00:35:37,004 --> 00:35:39,614 Why on Earth would he accept that? 790 00:35:39,615 --> 00:35:43,183 Like I just said, if he pleads guilty, 791 00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:44,837 we won't have to call his daughter 792 00:35:44,838 --> 00:35:46,317 as an impeachment witness. 793 00:35:46,318 --> 00:35:48,145 We understand that Amanda is in a fragile-- 794 00:35:49,321 --> 00:35:51,104 You're leveraging my ten-year-old daughter 795 00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:52,323 for a guilty plea? 796 00:35:52,324 --> 00:35:53,628 - Control your client. - Don't look at her. 797 00:35:53,629 --> 00:35:55,152 Talk to me. I'm right here. - Derek. Derek. 798 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:56,892 Derek, please sit down. 799 00:35:56,893 --> 00:35:58,547 You need to sit down. 800 00:36:06,729 --> 00:36:07,774 Yes or no? 801 00:36:11,343 --> 00:36:14,736 Look, the only thing that matters to me right now 802 00:36:14,737 --> 00:36:17,261 is that I make it home to look after my two daughters. 803 00:36:17,262 --> 00:36:19,524 I'm not pleading a damn thing. 804 00:36:19,525 --> 00:36:21,178 And there's not a jury in this city 805 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,092 that is going to convict me, 806 00:36:23,093 --> 00:36:24,790 with or without Amanda's testimony. 807 00:36:24,791 --> 00:36:26,008 We'll see about that. 808 00:36:26,009 --> 00:36:28,054 Yeah, we will. 809 00:36:28,055 --> 00:36:29,795 Really, that pin? 810 00:36:29,796 --> 00:36:30,970 Navy SEALs? 811 00:36:30,971 --> 00:36:32,537 Is that a joke? 812 00:36:32,538 --> 00:36:34,147 What the hell do you know about the navy? 813 00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:35,192 - No, you're a coward. - Excuse me. 814 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,454 I'm going to file a complaint. 815 00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:37,716 Oh, file whatever the hell you want. 816 00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:39,892 Your client is a disgrace. - Sam, enough. 817 00:36:39,893 --> 00:36:41,328 I earned this pin, thank you. 818 00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:43,765 OK. That's all right. 819 00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:47,334 He's either a cold-blooded bastard, 820 00:36:47,335 --> 00:36:49,118 or he's calling your bluff. 821 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,338 Or both. 822 00:36:51,339 --> 00:36:53,601 Will the daughter's testimony put us over the top? 823 00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:56,343 Well, she can discredit Derek's testimony. 824 00:36:56,344 --> 00:36:58,911 She can also help us prove that he knew 825 00:36:58,912 --> 00:37:01,522 his wife was severely ill. 826 00:37:01,523 --> 00:37:03,568 But? 827 00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,440 Sounds like you're ambivalent about calling her. 828 00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:08,225 Her grandmother alluded to the girl 829 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:11,402 having suicidal thoughts. 830 00:37:11,403 --> 00:37:15,057 And what happens if you don't call her? 831 00:37:15,058 --> 00:37:16,799 We probably lose. 832 00:37:18,888 --> 00:37:20,846 So sweeten the plea? 833 00:37:20,847 --> 00:37:22,064 If he knows we're worried, 834 00:37:22,065 --> 00:37:23,544 it'll just make him more confident. 835 00:37:23,545 --> 00:37:25,242 You really think this Navy SEAL is going to let you 836 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:26,765 put his daughter on the stand? 837 00:37:26,766 --> 00:37:28,333 It looks that way. 838 00:37:30,422 --> 00:37:32,118 Well, then again, this guy doesn't actually 839 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:33,728 believe in psychological trauma, 840 00:37:33,729 --> 00:37:35,904 so this is probably pretty easy for him. 841 00:37:35,905 --> 00:37:38,385 I mean, we're talking about a guy who literally thinks 842 00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:41,519 psychoactive drugs are evil. 843 00:37:43,826 --> 00:37:46,654 Maybe that's your angle. 844 00:37:46,655 --> 00:37:48,440 What do you mean? 845 00:37:55,098 --> 00:37:56,883 People call Amanda Chapman. 846 00:38:12,377 --> 00:38:14,943 Are you really going to do this? 847 00:38:14,944 --> 00:38:16,075 Poor kid's going to spend 848 00:38:16,076 --> 00:38:17,816 the rest of her life in therapy, 849 00:38:17,817 --> 00:38:19,034 talking to shrinks, 850 00:38:19,035 --> 00:38:20,820 experimenting with different medication. 851 00:38:24,171 --> 00:38:26,173 You already lost one daughter. 852 00:38:31,657 --> 00:38:34,267 Mr. Price? 853 00:38:34,268 --> 00:38:36,356 Yeah. 854 00:39:00,207 --> 00:39:02,339 Please state your name. 855 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:05,342 My name is Amanda Chapman. 856 00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:08,693 Are you related to the defendant? 857 00:39:08,694 --> 00:39:12,392 To the man sitting at that table? 858 00:39:12,393 --> 00:39:16,309 Yes. He's my daddy. 859 00:39:24,231 --> 00:39:28,408 Amanda, in the weeks and months 860 00:39:28,409 --> 00:39:30,715 leading up to-- 861 00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:50,691 Your Honor, we actually have no questions for this witness, 862 00:39:50,692 --> 00:39:54,086 and we ask that she be dismissed. 863 00:39:57,743 --> 00:40:00,309 OK, Amanda, you may be excused. 864 00:40:07,056 --> 00:40:08,448 You can go home now. 865 00:40:24,247 --> 00:40:25,770 I couldn't. 866 00:40:32,386 --> 00:40:34,169 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 867 00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:35,257 have you reached a verdict? 868 00:40:35,258 --> 00:40:36,911 We have, Your Honor. 869 00:40:36,912 --> 00:40:39,740 On the charge of manslaughter in the second degree, 870 00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:40,872 how do you find? 871 00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:44,528 We find the defendant, Derek Chapman, 872 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:45,877 not guilty. 873 00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:47,313 Oh, thank you, God. 874 00:40:47,314 --> 00:40:49,707 Order, please. 875 00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:52,274 Jury, thank you for your service. 876 00:40:52,275 --> 00:40:54,494 The defendant is free to go. 877 00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:10,075 There she is. 878 00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:11,337 Daddy! 879 00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:13,034 Hey, hey. 880 00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:18,170 Son of a bitch got off easy. 881 00:41:18,171 --> 00:41:20,172 No. He knows what he did. 882 00:41:20,173 --> 00:41:23,480 He knows that he is responsible for his daughter's death. 883 00:41:26,135 --> 00:41:28,441 It's a life sentence.