1 00:00:00,289 --> 00:00:02,074 - In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:02,117 --> 00:00:03,379 the people are represented 3 00:00:03,423 --> 00:00:05,773 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:05,816 --> 00:00:07,731 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:07,775 --> 00:00:10,691 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:10,734 --> 00:00:13,781 These are their stories. 7 00:00:13,824 --> 00:00:15,609 - We're trying to carve out a middle ground-- 8 00:00:15,652 --> 00:00:17,263 a place where these issues can be discussed 9 00:00:17,306 --> 00:00:19,004 in a civil manner. - Only if we agree with you. 10 00:00:19,047 --> 00:00:22,094 If we disagree, then we're suddenly idiots or hicks. 11 00:00:22,137 --> 00:00:23,617 - That's not true. - I see and hear it 12 00:00:23,660 --> 00:00:25,140 every day, Derek-- 13 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:27,969 liberals refusing to discuss issues that really matter: 14 00:00:28,013 --> 00:00:29,840 economic issues, geopolitical issues-- 15 00:00:29,884 --> 00:00:32,713 as far as I can see, the only thing you guys wanna talk about 16 00:00:32,756 --> 00:00:34,323 is identity politics; 17 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:36,673 gender, race, sexual identity. 18 00:00:36,717 --> 00:00:38,371 I swear to God, it's like you spend 19 00:00:38,414 --> 00:00:41,330 all your time and energy just inventing ways to be offended. 20 00:00:41,374 --> 00:00:42,418 - But it's more complicated than that. 21 00:00:42,462 --> 00:00:43,767 - No! No. 22 00:00:43,811 --> 00:00:45,508 See, there you go again, pandering to us morons, 23 00:00:45,552 --> 00:00:47,467 'cause we can't quite grasp the subtleties 24 00:00:47,510 --> 00:00:49,425 of the complex liberal platform. 25 00:00:49,469 --> 00:00:51,079 - I just think we need to talk about these issues 26 00:00:51,123 --> 00:00:52,863 in a serious, honest way. 27 00:00:52,907 --> 00:00:55,605 There's a middle road here, a way to bridge the gap. 28 00:00:55,649 --> 00:00:57,520 We need to have more conversations-- 29 00:00:57,564 --> 00:00:59,479 - Do you believe the leaders of the Democratic Party 30 00:00:59,522 --> 00:01:01,263 are involved in the sexual exploitation 31 00:01:01,307 --> 00:01:02,612 of underage boys and girls? 32 00:01:02,656 --> 00:01:05,485 [dramatic music] 33 00:01:05,528 --> 00:01:07,313 - Are you really doing this? - Doing what? 34 00:01:07,356 --> 00:01:09,097 - Talking about this QAnon crap. 35 00:01:09,141 --> 00:01:10,838 You told me-- 36 00:01:10,881 --> 00:01:12,927 you promised me this would be a civil, 37 00:01:12,970 --> 00:01:14,885 constructive conversation, 38 00:01:14,929 --> 00:01:17,453 that we'd debate the issues. 39 00:01:18,846 --> 00:01:22,154 - You still haven't answered the question, Mr. Hoyt. 40 00:01:22,197 --> 00:01:24,112 [tense, dramatic music] 41 00:01:24,156 --> 00:01:25,113 - Go to hell. 42 00:01:25,157 --> 00:01:29,683 ♪ 43 00:01:29,726 --> 00:01:30,945 [door clicks shut] 44 00:01:30,988 --> 00:01:32,642 - People can sit in their basement apartment 45 00:01:32,686 --> 00:01:36,298 surrounded by cats and pizza boxes and just spew hate. 46 00:01:36,342 --> 00:01:37,865 - Yeah, 'cause there aren't any consequences. 47 00:01:37,908 --> 00:01:39,345 - You can't fight back either. 48 00:01:39,388 --> 00:01:41,608 You tweet back? You're a troll. 49 00:01:41,651 --> 00:01:44,306 - Two weeks ago, this idiot called me a racist, 50 00:01:44,350 --> 00:01:46,134 because I said Jay-Z is overrated. 51 00:01:46,178 --> 00:01:47,744 Like, what? 52 00:01:47,788 --> 00:01:49,572 - Back in the day, if you wanted to call out someone, 53 00:01:49,616 --> 00:01:51,444 you did it in person, face-to-face. 54 00:01:51,487 --> 00:01:52,706 - And you just might get your damn ass kicked too-- 55 00:01:52,749 --> 00:01:55,665 [tires squeal and crash, screaming] 56 00:01:55,709 --> 00:01:57,145 [line ringing] 57 00:01:57,189 --> 00:01:58,755 - 911. What's your emergency? 58 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:00,844 - I'm on the corner of 29th and 10th. 59 00:02:00,888 --> 00:02:03,195 Someone just got hit by a bus. - And what's his condition? 60 00:02:03,238 --> 00:02:05,110 - He's bleeding. It's really bad. 61 00:02:05,153 --> 00:02:07,677 ♪ 62 00:02:07,721 --> 00:02:09,070 - [groans] 63 00:02:09,114 --> 00:02:10,985 ♪ 64 00:02:11,028 --> 00:02:13,683 - [indistinct shouting] You all witnessed it. 65 00:02:13,727 --> 00:02:16,556 - Why are we here, Officer Washington? 66 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:18,166 - 'Cause it wasn't an accident. 67 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:19,602 Two witnesses saw some dude 68 00:02:19,646 --> 00:02:21,735 push the DOA in front of the bus. 69 00:02:21,778 --> 00:02:23,650 - These witnesses get a good look at the guy? 70 00:02:23,693 --> 00:02:24,999 - No. 71 00:02:25,042 --> 00:02:27,915 He was wearing a facemask and a dark winter hat. 72 00:02:27,958 --> 00:02:29,438 - What about the bus driver? 73 00:02:29,482 --> 00:02:32,267 - She didn't wanna talk. 74 00:02:32,311 --> 00:02:33,877 Said she's too upset. 75 00:02:35,444 --> 00:02:37,577 - Did he seem mentally ill? 76 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:39,231 Did he say anything specific? 77 00:02:39,274 --> 00:02:40,623 - No, he just rolled up on the dude 78 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:42,234 and shoved him into the street. 79 00:02:42,277 --> 00:02:44,714 - You got a good look at him. Did you see his complexion? 80 00:02:44,758 --> 00:02:46,760 - Uh, he was white, 81 00:02:46,803 --> 00:02:48,109 maybe brown. 82 00:02:48,153 --> 00:02:49,284 I couldn't really tell, 'cause he was wearing 83 00:02:49,328 --> 00:02:51,504 a facemask and a dark ski hat. 84 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:53,375 - Okay. What was his body type? 85 00:02:53,419 --> 00:02:56,378 Was he tall, or short, heavyset, thin? 86 00:02:56,422 --> 00:02:58,685 - 5'10", but he definitely wasn't skinny. 87 00:02:58,728 --> 00:03:00,817 More like beefy. 88 00:03:00,861 --> 00:03:02,254 - Thank you. 89 00:03:02,297 --> 00:03:03,690 What do you got? 90 00:03:03,733 --> 00:03:05,866 - Downloaded the bus cam footage. 91 00:03:07,911 --> 00:03:08,999 - Wow. 92 00:03:09,043 --> 00:03:11,176 That's a lot of hate behind that push. 93 00:03:11,219 --> 00:03:12,699 - Question is why? 94 00:03:12,742 --> 00:03:16,268 ♪ 95 00:03:16,311 --> 00:03:19,358 [dramatic music] 96 00:03:19,401 --> 00:03:26,539 ♪ 97 00:03:36,418 --> 00:03:43,556 ♪ 98 00:03:53,435 --> 00:04:00,573 ♪ 99 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:07,275 - I have no idea why someone would wanna kill Derek. 100 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:09,321 It doesn't make sense. 101 00:04:09,364 --> 00:04:11,497 - Did you and Derek have any problems? 102 00:04:11,540 --> 00:04:14,151 - No. Everything was great. 103 00:04:14,195 --> 00:04:16,632 - Forgive me for asking, it's just part of the process. 104 00:04:16,676 --> 00:04:19,853 Were either you or your husband involved with anyone else? 105 00:04:19,896 --> 00:04:22,072 - No, nothing like that. 106 00:04:22,116 --> 00:04:25,685 - Did Derek gamble, drink? 107 00:04:25,728 --> 00:04:27,469 - Uh, 108 00:04:27,513 --> 00:04:29,254 maybe a glass of wine here and there, but... 109 00:04:32,344 --> 00:04:34,824 He was a good person. 110 00:04:34,868 --> 00:04:39,394 He loved being a father, a husband. 111 00:04:39,438 --> 00:04:41,527 He was going to run for Congress too. 112 00:04:41,570 --> 00:04:44,181 He wanted to... 113 00:04:44,225 --> 00:04:46,532 give back, make a difference. 114 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,406 It sounds cliché, but he really meant it. 115 00:04:51,450 --> 00:04:54,279 [indistinct chatter] 116 00:04:54,322 --> 00:04:55,932 I'll be there in a minute. 117 00:04:55,976 --> 00:04:57,325 Go play with Laura, okay? 118 00:04:57,369 --> 00:05:04,463 ♪ 119 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,513 - Uh, if you can think of anything else, 120 00:05:11,557 --> 00:05:13,210 would you give us a call? 121 00:05:13,254 --> 00:05:14,255 - Yeah. 122 00:05:14,299 --> 00:05:16,779 ♪ 123 00:05:16,823 --> 00:05:20,348 It might be nothing, but Derek got into an argument 124 00:05:20,392 --> 00:05:23,612 with another man a few weeks ago. 125 00:05:23,656 --> 00:05:26,702 We were having dinner, and... 126 00:05:26,746 --> 00:05:29,314 this guy started yelling at him. 127 00:05:29,357 --> 00:05:31,533 It got really heated. 128 00:05:31,577 --> 00:05:34,057 - Do you remember what they were arguing about? 129 00:05:34,101 --> 00:05:38,192 - No, he just kept calling Derek a liar and a phony. 130 00:05:38,235 --> 00:05:40,063 Then Derek pushed him away. 131 00:05:40,107 --> 00:05:45,373 ♪ 132 00:05:45,417 --> 00:05:49,072 - Yeah, Derek and I got into it pretty good that night. 133 00:05:49,116 --> 00:05:50,509 Wasn't a big deal, though. 134 00:05:50,552 --> 00:05:53,599 Just a couple of alpha dogs barking at each other. 135 00:05:53,642 --> 00:05:56,863 - What were you two barking about? 136 00:05:56,906 --> 00:05:59,431 - I tried to buy his firm, but he sold it to someone else. 137 00:05:59,474 --> 00:06:00,997 Offered him 50% more than I did. 138 00:06:01,041 --> 00:06:03,435 - You were pissed that another company 139 00:06:03,478 --> 00:06:04,827 wanted to pay more money? 140 00:06:04,871 --> 00:06:06,046 - I was pissed because he didn't give me 141 00:06:06,089 --> 00:06:07,395 a chance to counter. 142 00:06:07,439 --> 00:06:09,484 - Pissed enough to shove him in front of a bus? 143 00:06:09,528 --> 00:06:10,877 - [scoffs] Please. 144 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,792 I loved Derek. - I saw the video. 145 00:06:12,835 --> 00:06:15,011 I didn't see a lot of love there. 146 00:06:15,055 --> 00:06:18,667 - What you saw was two real men talking business-- 147 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:23,063 face-to-face, no lawyers, no PR, no social media. 148 00:06:23,106 --> 00:06:25,544 Just a couple of grown-ass men gettin' after it. 149 00:06:25,587 --> 00:06:30,026 - Unfortunately, Derek is now dead. 150 00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:31,593 - And that sucks. 151 00:06:31,637 --> 00:06:33,987 Like I said, he was a good dude. 152 00:06:34,030 --> 00:06:36,772 - Did you talk to or see him after the altercation 153 00:06:36,816 --> 00:06:38,948 at the restaurant? - Yeah, met him for coffee 154 00:06:38,992 --> 00:06:40,254 a few days ago. 155 00:06:40,297 --> 00:06:41,603 - Like a real man? 156 00:06:41,647 --> 00:06:43,997 - Pledged a million dollars to his campaign too. 157 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,434 - Hm. - And that was the last time 158 00:06:46,478 --> 00:06:47,957 you saw him? - Well, technically, 159 00:06:48,001 --> 00:06:49,872 the last time was in front of his building. 160 00:06:49,916 --> 00:06:52,614 He shook my hand, said thanks, and that was that. 161 00:06:52,658 --> 00:06:55,704 - Did he mention anything unusual, 162 00:06:55,748 --> 00:06:57,053 maybe somebody harassing him? 163 00:06:57,097 --> 00:06:58,794 - There was this guy following us. 164 00:06:58,838 --> 00:07:00,927 Looked like he was taking photos too. 165 00:07:00,970 --> 00:07:02,668 - Do you remember what he looked like? 166 00:07:02,711 --> 00:07:04,931 - White, about 50, 167 00:07:04,974 --> 00:07:06,759 average height. 168 00:07:06,802 --> 00:07:09,065 He was wearing a Phillies hat. 169 00:07:09,109 --> 00:07:12,112 [indistinct chatter, phones ringing] 170 00:07:12,155 --> 00:07:13,722 [ominous music] 171 00:07:13,766 --> 00:07:15,594 - Think I got something. 172 00:07:15,637 --> 00:07:17,552 - What do you got? 173 00:07:17,596 --> 00:07:20,903 - Look at this guy with the camera. 174 00:07:20,947 --> 00:07:23,471 - Can you zoom in, get a better look at his face? 175 00:07:25,517 --> 00:07:26,866 - No, that's the best I can do. 176 00:07:26,909 --> 00:07:29,216 - Take a look at that jacket. 177 00:07:29,259 --> 00:07:33,394 NYPD Fighting 19th Softball. 178 00:07:33,438 --> 00:07:35,309 - Guy's a cop. 179 00:07:35,352 --> 00:07:37,137 - Or a softball groupie. 180 00:07:37,180 --> 00:07:40,401 - Send that over to the 19th. See if anyone recognizes him. 181 00:07:40,445 --> 00:07:45,101 ♪ 182 00:07:45,145 --> 00:07:46,494 - Yeah, that's me. 183 00:07:46,538 --> 00:07:49,454 I was followin' the guy on the right, Derek Hoyt. 184 00:07:49,497 --> 00:07:50,977 - Why? 185 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:53,240 - Got hired about a month ago to find some dirt. 186 00:07:53,283 --> 00:07:56,069 But I came up empty. Guy's squeaky clean. 187 00:07:56,112 --> 00:07:58,637 Then last week, they asked me to give it another whirl. 188 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,508 - What were they hoping to find? 189 00:08:00,552 --> 00:08:02,423 - Don't know. Didn't ask. 190 00:08:02,467 --> 00:08:03,816 Gotta pay the bills, bro. 191 00:08:03,859 --> 00:08:05,861 - Hell of a way to do it. 192 00:08:05,905 --> 00:08:08,951 - Do me a favor. Don't judge. 193 00:08:08,995 --> 00:08:11,214 - During the course of your, uh, investigation, 194 00:08:11,258 --> 00:08:13,782 did you happen to find anything of concern? 195 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:16,132 - No, nothing even close. 196 00:08:17,525 --> 00:08:19,135 - So who hired you? 197 00:08:19,179 --> 00:08:22,182 Who was looking for all this dirt on Derek Hoyt? 198 00:08:26,055 --> 00:08:28,144 ♪ 199 00:08:28,188 --> 00:08:29,276 - That's so crazy. 200 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:30,799 I just interviewed him this morning. 201 00:08:30,843 --> 00:08:34,411 - Mm. - So how can I help? 202 00:08:34,455 --> 00:08:37,937 - Well, you can start by, uh, telling us why you hired 203 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:40,809 a P.I. to dig up dirt on Mr. Hoyt. 204 00:08:40,853 --> 00:08:42,985 - What's that got to do with him gettin' hit by a bus? 205 00:08:43,029 --> 00:08:44,639 - I don't know, maybe nothin'. 206 00:08:44,683 --> 00:08:45,814 - We're trying to figure out 207 00:08:45,858 --> 00:08:47,860 why someone would try to kill him. 208 00:08:49,035 --> 00:08:50,602 - I don't know. I know he was planning 209 00:08:50,645 --> 00:08:52,168 on running for Congress, 210 00:08:52,212 --> 00:08:54,562 and that the power brokers in the Democratic Party 211 00:08:54,606 --> 00:08:58,740 were talking about him like he was the, uh, next big thing-- 212 00:08:58,784 --> 00:09:02,004 AOC with some brains. [chuckles] 213 00:09:02,048 --> 00:09:04,877 Uh, that was a joke. Sorry. 214 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,619 Didn't mean to offend your left-wing sensibilities. 215 00:09:07,662 --> 00:09:10,360 - No, you didn't offend us. It wasn't funny. 216 00:09:10,404 --> 00:09:12,232 - Oh, tough crowd. 217 00:09:12,275 --> 00:09:15,017 - More like impatient. We're investigating a murder. 218 00:09:15,061 --> 00:09:17,019 - You're right, you're right. I'm sorry. 219 00:09:17,063 --> 00:09:18,630 I'd heard some rumors about Hoyt, 220 00:09:18,673 --> 00:09:21,023 so I hired a P.I. for him, to look into him. 221 00:09:21,067 --> 00:09:23,156 I didn't want to publish anything without confirmation. 222 00:09:23,199 --> 00:09:26,812 - Hm, because of your journalistic integrity? 223 00:09:26,855 --> 00:09:28,553 - What kind of rumors? 224 00:09:28,596 --> 00:09:30,598 - I'd rather not comment on that. 225 00:09:30,642 --> 00:09:31,817 You know, now that he's gone, 226 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:34,254 there's no need to besmirch the deceased. 227 00:09:34,297 --> 00:09:35,864 - Ha! [laughs] 228 00:09:35,908 --> 00:09:37,257 - Yeah. - Now, that's funny. 229 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:40,042 You know, you pretending to have ethical standards. 230 00:09:40,086 --> 00:09:42,871 Your whole mission is to cultivate hate and mistrust. 231 00:09:42,915 --> 00:09:45,613 - I run a media business, all right? 232 00:09:45,657 --> 00:09:47,267 I give the people what they want-- 233 00:09:47,310 --> 00:09:48,616 real people-- 234 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:51,576 real, honest, hardworking, middle-class people 235 00:09:51,619 --> 00:09:53,316 who love this country 236 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,449 who can't relate to the rich, coastal elites 237 00:09:55,492 --> 00:09:58,887 who control the media and the political narrative. 238 00:09:58,931 --> 00:10:01,498 Come on, you really think some roofer from Akron 239 00:10:01,542 --> 00:10:02,804 with a mortgage and three kids 240 00:10:02,848 --> 00:10:05,328 gives a rat's ass about somebody's pronoun? 241 00:10:05,372 --> 00:10:09,376 - So you...don't believe liberals eat babies, 242 00:10:09,419 --> 00:10:11,900 or that Black people's obsession with racism 243 00:10:11,944 --> 00:10:13,336 is destroying the country? 244 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:15,600 - It doesn't matter what I believe. 245 00:10:15,643 --> 00:10:17,645 It matters what sells. 246 00:10:17,689 --> 00:10:20,082 - And destroying Hoyt would sell? 247 00:10:20,126 --> 00:10:23,608 - Yeah, destroying him would've been a home run. 248 00:10:23,651 --> 00:10:24,696 But he's gone. 249 00:10:24,739 --> 00:10:25,958 So we'll just have to find 250 00:10:26,001 --> 00:10:28,090 another Democratic heartthrob to lambaste. 251 00:10:28,134 --> 00:10:29,744 [chuckles] 252 00:10:29,788 --> 00:10:31,398 - So far, we're coming up empty. 253 00:10:31,441 --> 00:10:33,400 Victim is a choir boy. 254 00:10:33,443 --> 00:10:35,184 No vices, no motives, 255 00:10:35,228 --> 00:10:37,056 even that right-wing prick, Reed, 256 00:10:37,099 --> 00:10:38,448 can't dig up any dirt on him. 257 00:10:38,492 --> 00:10:40,407 - Yeah, could just be a random act of violence-- 258 00:10:40,450 --> 00:10:42,931 an emotionally unstable guy acting on impulse. 259 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:45,934 - Well, it's possible, but keep digging 260 00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:47,327 into this Jordan Reed angle. 261 00:10:47,370 --> 00:10:49,111 He said there were some rumors swirling, 262 00:10:49,155 --> 00:10:50,809 so let's find out what they were. 263 00:10:50,852 --> 00:10:52,724 - Mm-hmm. - Think I know! 264 00:10:52,767 --> 00:10:54,073 Computer Crimes just did a deep dive 265 00:10:54,116 --> 00:10:55,988 on the victim's electronic devices-- 266 00:10:56,031 --> 00:10:57,293 found some deleted emails 267 00:10:57,337 --> 00:10:59,078 filled with veiled death threats. 268 00:10:59,121 --> 00:11:01,558 "You're a gutless pig. You deserve to die." 269 00:11:01,602 --> 00:11:02,777 - Know where they came from? 270 00:11:02,821 --> 00:11:04,997 - No, they were sent from an untraceable app. 271 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,955 Good news is, if you want to call it that, 272 00:11:06,999 --> 00:11:09,958 pretty sure I know why these guys are threatening him. 273 00:11:10,002 --> 00:11:12,221 Found this on his deleted email folder. 274 00:11:12,265 --> 00:11:16,312 This young girl Hoyt's with is definitely not his daughter. 275 00:11:16,356 --> 00:11:18,575 ♪ 276 00:11:18,619 --> 00:11:20,229 - So much for being a choir boy. 277 00:11:20,273 --> 00:11:22,101 ♪ 278 00:11:23,929 --> 00:11:24,320 . 279 00:11:24,364 --> 00:11:26,801 - This doesn't make any sense. Where'd you get these photos? 280 00:11:26,845 --> 00:11:28,847 - Off his computer. 281 00:11:28,890 --> 00:11:30,849 - There's no way Derek would ever be involved. 282 00:11:30,892 --> 00:11:32,764 - No, well, these are just photos, ma'am, 283 00:11:32,807 --> 00:11:35,767 we don't have any proof of anything illegal at the moment. 284 00:11:35,810 --> 00:11:38,073 - We're just trying to ID the young girls in the photos 285 00:11:38,117 --> 00:11:40,554 so we can contact their parents. 286 00:11:40,597 --> 00:11:42,643 Sorry, it's just the way it is. 287 00:11:42,687 --> 00:11:43,731 - Do you know these two girls? 288 00:11:46,255 --> 00:11:47,692 - I know her. 289 00:11:47,735 --> 00:11:49,389 She goes to my daughter's school. 290 00:11:49,432 --> 00:11:52,087 [somber music] 291 00:11:52,131 --> 00:11:55,221 - It's a good thing this sick son of a bitch is dead. 292 00:11:55,264 --> 00:11:56,483 - Mm. 293 00:11:56,526 --> 00:11:58,441 So you were unaware of these pictures? 294 00:11:58,485 --> 00:12:00,705 Never seen them before? - Correct. 295 00:12:00,748 --> 00:12:04,186 - Mm-hmm, I'm gonna give you a mulligan on that one, Stewart. 296 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:05,448 - Excuse me? 297 00:12:05,492 --> 00:12:07,494 - Bad idea to lie to the police. 298 00:12:07,537 --> 00:12:10,105 - That's you, isn't it, bangin' on Hoyt's front door? 299 00:12:10,149 --> 00:12:12,804 - Okay, I was...aware. 300 00:12:12,847 --> 00:12:15,502 A friend called, said there were some photos circulating 301 00:12:15,545 --> 00:12:18,287 on some right-wing chat room. 302 00:12:18,331 --> 00:12:20,420 I flipped out. I ran over to Hoyt's building. 303 00:12:20,463 --> 00:12:23,162 I wanted to talk to him-- no, you know what? 304 00:12:23,205 --> 00:12:25,338 I wanted to beat his ass into the ground. 305 00:12:25,381 --> 00:12:26,731 But he wasn't home. 306 00:12:26,774 --> 00:12:29,211 - So you never got the chance to confront him 307 00:12:29,255 --> 00:12:30,778 about these photos? - No. 308 00:12:30,822 --> 00:12:33,650 I tried, trust me. But he died. 309 00:12:33,694 --> 00:12:36,523 Got hit by a car. - Bus. 310 00:12:36,566 --> 00:12:38,786 A bus someone pushed him in front of. 311 00:12:38,830 --> 00:12:42,485 - You asking me if I-- - We are. 312 00:12:42,529 --> 00:12:44,923 - No, I didn't kill him. 313 00:12:46,402 --> 00:12:47,752 - You know who this girl is? 314 00:12:47,795 --> 00:12:49,797 - Yeah, that's Kimberly Ryan. 315 00:12:49,841 --> 00:12:51,494 She's on the same basketball team 316 00:12:51,538 --> 00:12:54,280 as my daughter and Hoyt's daughter. 317 00:12:54,323 --> 00:12:55,716 - That's definitely my daughter, 318 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,242 but she's never been alone with Hoyt, ever. 319 00:13:00,286 --> 00:13:01,635 I'm not sure how he-- 320 00:13:01,678 --> 00:13:03,898 - Maybe at a basketball game, or a sleepover. 321 00:13:03,942 --> 00:13:07,206 - No, our kids aren't really friends. 322 00:13:07,249 --> 00:13:09,774 Can I look at those photos again? 323 00:13:11,906 --> 00:13:12,820 Yeah. 324 00:13:15,780 --> 00:13:19,000 My daughter's clothing and her facial expressions, 325 00:13:19,044 --> 00:13:22,221 they match what's on my wife's social media feed. 326 00:13:22,264 --> 00:13:24,789 Yeah, see? 327 00:13:24,832 --> 00:13:27,226 Same smile, same clothes, 328 00:13:27,269 --> 00:13:29,532 same body angle. 329 00:13:29,576 --> 00:13:31,186 Someone photoshopped these. 330 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:33,406 ♪ 331 00:13:33,449 --> 00:13:34,886 - Well, the techs just confirmed 332 00:13:34,929 --> 00:13:36,365 the pictures are fake. 333 00:13:36,409 --> 00:13:38,019 - So Hoyt wasn't a pedophile? 334 00:13:38,063 --> 00:13:39,978 He was a victim of an online smear campaign? 335 00:13:40,021 --> 00:13:41,414 - Ah, sure seems like that. 336 00:13:41,457 --> 00:13:42,850 - Hey, sorry to interrupt, 337 00:13:42,894 --> 00:13:44,678 but I'm scrolling through this online forum 338 00:13:44,721 --> 00:13:46,201 where the photos of Hoyt were circulating, 339 00:13:46,245 --> 00:13:47,768 and it is crazy. 340 00:13:47,812 --> 00:13:50,727 There's lots of chatter about JFK Jr. being alive, 341 00:13:50,771 --> 00:13:53,078 and high-ranking democrats sex-trafficking underage kids. 342 00:13:53,121 --> 00:13:57,169 But one guy stands out as being the craziest of the crazies. 343 00:13:57,212 --> 00:13:58,779 Someone named "Warri0r-p0se" 344 00:13:58,823 --> 00:14:00,607 posted some pretty outrageous statements. 345 00:14:00,650 --> 00:14:03,088 "Hoyt will never touch another young girl." 346 00:14:03,131 --> 00:14:05,612 And he posted one this morning too at 11:12 a.m. 347 00:14:05,655 --> 00:14:08,658 an hour after the murder. 348 00:14:08,702 --> 00:14:10,617 "Hoyt is no longer a problem. 349 00:14:10,660 --> 00:14:12,314 God bless America." 350 00:14:12,358 --> 00:14:14,229 - Run down the IP address right away. 351 00:14:14,273 --> 00:14:15,927 - I already did. Post was sent from a café 352 00:14:15,970 --> 00:14:18,016 in Brooklyn called Coffee and Smile. 353 00:14:18,059 --> 00:14:20,409 - Oh. - Mm. 354 00:14:20,453 --> 00:14:22,324 - Why has it become mandatory for coffee shops 355 00:14:22,368 --> 00:14:24,109 to be called stupid names? 356 00:14:24,152 --> 00:14:25,980 - That's why I drink tea. 357 00:14:26,024 --> 00:14:28,069 Talk to the manager. See if they have video, 358 00:14:28,113 --> 00:14:30,289 and see if you can find out who sent those posts. 359 00:14:30,332 --> 00:14:32,160 - All right. - You got it. 360 00:14:32,204 --> 00:14:35,337 [motor running] 361 00:14:38,036 --> 00:14:39,428 Hey. 362 00:14:39,472 --> 00:14:41,430 Manny Lopez! - Yeah? 363 00:14:41,474 --> 00:14:43,606 - Yeah, we need to talk. 364 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:45,652 - About what? - Is that you drinking coffee 365 00:14:45,695 --> 00:14:47,959 at a place called Coffee and Smile? 366 00:14:48,002 --> 00:14:49,961 - Is that a crime? - Uh, no, not yet. 367 00:14:50,004 --> 00:14:52,093 But the way things are going, who knows? 368 00:14:52,137 --> 00:14:54,487 Might be considered racist someday soon. 369 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:56,532 - It's only a matter of time, huh? 370 00:14:56,576 --> 00:14:57,838 - Well, there is a crime 371 00:14:57,882 --> 00:15:01,320 against pushing someone in front of a bus. 372 00:15:01,363 --> 00:15:03,148 That's why we're really here. 373 00:15:03,191 --> 00:15:04,714 Come on. 374 00:15:04,758 --> 00:15:06,978 Let's take a ride down to the precinct. 375 00:15:08,153 --> 00:15:09,067 [door shuts] 376 00:15:11,852 --> 00:15:14,072 - Manny, we, uh-- we analyzed your emails 377 00:15:14,115 --> 00:15:16,944 and your chat history. 378 00:15:16,988 --> 00:15:19,338 You weren't the biggest fan of Derek Hoyt. 379 00:15:19,381 --> 00:15:22,819 - Don't worry, bro. There's more. 380 00:15:22,863 --> 00:15:26,998 We found video of you near the intersection of 29th and 10th 381 00:15:27,041 --> 00:15:29,652 right around the time Hoyt was murdered. 382 00:15:29,696 --> 00:15:31,741 Look at you, plain as day, 383 00:15:31,785 --> 00:15:33,700 one block from the crime scene 384 00:15:33,743 --> 00:15:37,399 about 65 seconds before Hoyt was killed. 385 00:15:37,443 --> 00:15:39,314 [gasps sarcastically] 386 00:15:39,358 --> 00:15:42,056 There you are again, walking east on 29th Street 387 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:47,757 right behind Hoyt about 35 seconds before he was pushed. 388 00:15:47,801 --> 00:15:49,368 - You want to get ahead of this, 389 00:15:49,411 --> 00:15:51,326 tell us your side of the story? 390 00:15:51,370 --> 00:15:57,767 ♪ 391 00:15:57,811 --> 00:16:00,596 - Derek Hoyt was a senior member of the liberal, 392 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,558 sex-crazed cabal that is destroying our country. 393 00:16:05,601 --> 00:16:07,386 He planned to kidnap a young kid! 394 00:16:07,429 --> 00:16:09,997 ♪ 395 00:16:10,041 --> 00:16:11,346 - So you killed him? 396 00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:13,000 - Damn right! 397 00:16:13,044 --> 00:16:14,393 I love this country. 398 00:16:14,436 --> 00:16:16,134 So I did what I had to do. 399 00:16:16,177 --> 00:16:19,224 - Yeah, you sure did. Now you gotta pay the tab, bro. 400 00:16:19,267 --> 00:16:20,747 - What does that mean? 401 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:22,879 - It means you're under arrest for murder. 402 00:16:22,923 --> 00:16:24,620 - Hold on, big fella! Hold on. 403 00:16:31,671 --> 00:16:31,845 . 404 00:16:31,888 --> 00:16:34,065 - The People ask for remand, Your Honor. 405 00:16:34,108 --> 00:16:35,283 We believe the defendant is a flight risk, 406 00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:36,850 given the potential penalty he's facing. 407 00:16:36,893 --> 00:16:39,026 - Mr. Lopez has no priors, 408 00:16:39,070 --> 00:16:41,115 has substantial ties to New York. 409 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:43,074 - Bail is set at $2 million. 410 00:16:43,117 --> 00:16:44,553 - That's prohibitive. 411 00:16:44,597 --> 00:16:46,947 Mr. Lopez doesn't have access to that kind of money. 412 00:16:46,991 --> 00:16:49,167 - I'm not so sure about that. - Excuse me? 413 00:16:49,210 --> 00:16:50,777 - My clerk informed me that apparently 414 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:52,039 some self-proclaimed patriot 415 00:16:52,083 --> 00:16:55,086 started a GoFundMe page for Mr. Lopez. 416 00:16:55,129 --> 00:16:57,262 Already raised $900,000. 417 00:16:57,305 --> 00:16:59,220 Bail is set at $2 million. 418 00:16:59,264 --> 00:17:01,657 [gavel knocks] Next case. 419 00:17:03,659 --> 00:17:05,139 [knocks on door] 420 00:17:05,183 --> 00:17:06,880 - Been reviewing the most recent posts 421 00:17:06,923 --> 00:17:09,622 in Manny's favorite chat room, Rogue Wave. 422 00:17:09,665 --> 00:17:10,927 There's lots of crazy chatter 423 00:17:10,971 --> 00:17:13,060 about Hoyt trafficking young kids, 424 00:17:13,104 --> 00:17:16,107 straight out of the QAnon playbook. 425 00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:19,371 "Credible intel says Hoyt is abducting young children, 426 00:17:19,414 --> 00:17:20,720 "selling them to sex-traffickers 427 00:17:20,763 --> 00:17:22,156 in Washington, DC." 428 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,898 The next day, which is the actual day of the murder, 429 00:17:24,941 --> 00:17:26,552 the same person sent this: 430 00:17:26,595 --> 00:17:29,250 "FBI contact says Hoyt is carrying out 431 00:17:29,294 --> 00:17:30,860 "a kidnapping plot tonight. 432 00:17:30,904 --> 00:17:34,081 Unfortunately, feds don't have enough evidence to arrest." 433 00:17:34,125 --> 00:17:37,128 Right after that, the same person sent this: 434 00:17:37,171 --> 00:17:40,740 "Who out there is brave enough to take action and protect 435 00:17:40,783 --> 00:17:44,265 our great country from the corrupt liberal cabal?" 436 00:17:44,309 --> 00:17:48,095 - So this poster is just inventing inflammatory lies, 437 00:17:48,139 --> 00:17:49,749 hoping to rile up the masses? 438 00:17:49,792 --> 00:17:51,751 - It was even more targeted than that. 439 00:17:51,794 --> 00:17:53,840 He knew his audience. 440 00:17:53,883 --> 00:17:56,016 He was looking to rile up the specific people 441 00:17:56,060 --> 00:17:58,236 who already believe these ridiculous lies. 442 00:17:58,279 --> 00:17:59,672 - We know who this person is? 443 00:17:59,715 --> 00:18:01,195 - No, email address is encrypted, 444 00:18:01,239 --> 00:18:03,458 but he's definitely the ringleader. 445 00:18:03,502 --> 00:18:07,158 He's the one who posted the phony pedophile photos too. 446 00:18:08,246 --> 00:18:12,293 - So if Manny actually believed what this poster was saying, 447 00:18:12,337 --> 00:18:15,688 killing Hoyt to thwart the alleged kidnapping 448 00:18:15,731 --> 00:18:18,647 actually makes some sense. 449 00:18:18,691 --> 00:18:20,301 I mean, even though it's crazy. 450 00:18:20,345 --> 00:18:22,912 - Good chance Manny's going to claim justification-- 451 00:18:22,956 --> 00:18:25,001 thought Hoyt was going to kidnap a young girl, 452 00:18:25,045 --> 00:18:27,874 so he kills Hoyt to save the young girl. 453 00:18:27,917 --> 00:18:29,354 - Even though there really wasn't a young girl 454 00:18:29,397 --> 00:18:32,008 in harm's way. - Exactly. 455 00:18:32,052 --> 00:18:34,881 - That's obviously a stretch, but 456 00:18:34,924 --> 00:18:36,535 it'll give Manny's lawyer a chance 457 00:18:36,578 --> 00:18:38,537 to talk about the liberal lunatics, 458 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:40,365 the alleged sex trafficking ring-- 459 00:18:40,408 --> 00:18:41,931 - Make it about politics, not law. 460 00:18:41,975 --> 00:18:45,544 - Which means anything is possible. 461 00:18:45,587 --> 00:18:47,502 Call Cosgrove and Bernard. 462 00:18:47,546 --> 00:18:50,766 Have them talk to HTAU and track down the IP address 463 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:52,420 of this ringleader. 464 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:54,030 We need to figure out 465 00:18:54,074 --> 00:18:56,772 why he was so invested in destroying Hoyt, 466 00:18:56,816 --> 00:18:59,645 and if he's connected to this murder. 467 00:18:59,688 --> 00:19:00,776 - On it. 468 00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:03,649 ♪ 469 00:19:03,692 --> 00:19:05,172 - Sorry, guys. We're recording. 470 00:19:08,871 --> 00:19:11,309 - Kennel of troglodytes. The U.S. government has... 471 00:19:11,352 --> 00:19:12,745 - Reed. - Literally-- 472 00:19:12,788 --> 00:19:14,007 - We need to talk. 473 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:16,183 - What is goin' on? Wha-- 474 00:19:16,227 --> 00:19:21,754 ♪ 475 00:19:21,797 --> 00:19:23,408 Ladies and gentlemen, 476 00:19:23,451 --> 00:19:26,411 two policemen have just entered my studio. 477 00:19:26,454 --> 00:19:29,588 My guess is, the liberal mafia gave 'em a call, 478 00:19:29,631 --> 00:19:30,763 told 'em to come on down here, 479 00:19:30,806 --> 00:19:32,199 and stomp on my First Amendment rights, 480 00:19:32,243 --> 00:19:33,940 and that's how it is these days, right? 481 00:19:33,983 --> 00:19:35,420 You don't like what a true patriot is saying, 482 00:19:35,463 --> 00:19:37,335 you take away their voice. You stomp on their rights 483 00:19:37,378 --> 00:19:40,468 to say what they believe, or better yet, 484 00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:42,035 you send the police after 'em. 485 00:19:42,078 --> 00:19:44,298 - Get off the damn mic, man. We have business to discuss. 486 00:19:44,342 --> 00:19:45,647 - You have a warrant? 487 00:19:45,691 --> 00:19:47,301 - We'd just like to ask you a few questions. 488 00:19:47,345 --> 00:19:49,782 - I'm not saying a damn word. Get the hell out of my studio. 489 00:19:49,825 --> 00:19:51,349 - Watch yourself, Reed. 490 00:19:51,392 --> 00:19:56,005 - Oh, the, uh, Black detective is now threatening me. 491 00:19:56,049 --> 00:19:58,486 - Why did you post those crazy lies about Derek Hoyt? 492 00:19:58,530 --> 00:19:59,531 - Get out! - Hmm? 493 00:19:59,574 --> 00:20:01,272 - Now! - Why did you post-- 494 00:20:01,315 --> 00:20:02,490 - Detective, I'm not saying it again. 495 00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:05,885 You heard me, Detective! Get out! 496 00:20:05,928 --> 00:20:08,192 - Kev, it's not worth it. 497 00:20:08,235 --> 00:20:10,411 ♪ 498 00:20:10,455 --> 00:20:11,456 - [chuckles] 499 00:20:11,499 --> 00:20:14,807 ♪ 500 00:20:14,850 --> 00:20:17,113 - You think Jordan Reed was an accomplice? 501 00:20:17,157 --> 00:20:19,725 - Oh, he stirred him up, that's for sure. 502 00:20:19,768 --> 00:20:21,901 He posted all kind of outrageous lies 503 00:20:21,944 --> 00:20:25,296 and made Hoyt into a pedophile, but there's more. 504 00:20:25,339 --> 00:20:29,169 Reed began to communicate directly with the defendant. 505 00:20:29,213 --> 00:20:31,258 - We found lots of phone calls between the two of them 506 00:20:31,302 --> 00:20:33,739 on the day prior to and on the day of the murder. 507 00:20:33,782 --> 00:20:37,221 - Any legitimate reason for these two to be communicating? 508 00:20:37,264 --> 00:20:41,137 - Reed is an Ivy League elitist who grew up on 5th Avenue, 509 00:20:41,181 --> 00:20:43,792 Manny's a day laborer from Staten Island. 510 00:20:43,836 --> 00:20:44,924 - You think they were discussing 511 00:20:44,967 --> 00:20:48,232 Hoyt's imminent demise? 512 00:20:48,275 --> 00:20:50,277 Wanna trade up, 513 00:20:50,321 --> 00:20:51,844 hold Reed accountable? 514 00:20:56,152 --> 00:20:57,806 Okay. 515 00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:58,938 Talk to the defendant. 516 00:20:58,981 --> 00:21:01,201 See if he'll cooperate. 517 00:21:04,378 --> 00:21:08,339 - We know you pushed Derek Hoyt in front of that bus. 518 00:21:08,382 --> 00:21:12,430 Good news, for you, is we think Jordan Reed 519 00:21:12,473 --> 00:21:13,996 is really the one responsible. 520 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,042 - We're happy to cooperate 521 00:21:16,085 --> 00:21:19,350 if you can reduce the charge to Man One. 522 00:21:19,393 --> 00:21:20,438 - No promises. 523 00:21:20,481 --> 00:21:21,961 We'll listen to what he has to say. 524 00:21:22,004 --> 00:21:24,093 Come back with a deal in writing. 525 00:21:24,137 --> 00:21:26,705 - Just answer their questions, Manny, and nothing you say 526 00:21:26,748 --> 00:21:29,098 can be used against you. 527 00:21:29,142 --> 00:21:31,884 - You and Reed talked on the phone several times 528 00:21:31,927 --> 00:21:33,538 before and after the murder. 529 00:21:33,581 --> 00:21:35,017 What did you two discuss? 530 00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:37,237 - We talked about a lot of things. 531 00:21:37,281 --> 00:21:38,717 The country, 532 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,328 the left-wing fascists trying to take over the country. 533 00:21:41,372 --> 00:21:44,375 - Did Reed talk to you about killing Derek Hoyt? 534 00:21:44,418 --> 00:21:46,028 - Reed's a good guy. 535 00:21:46,072 --> 00:21:47,508 He's a straight shooter. 536 00:21:47,552 --> 00:21:49,467 - No, he's a liar and a fraud. 537 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:51,512 He was playing you, Manny. 538 00:21:51,556 --> 00:21:53,253 Hoyt wasn't a pedophile. 539 00:21:53,297 --> 00:21:57,039 He was a law-abiding family man who wanted to run for Congress. 540 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,041 - Sure, that's what the liberal media says. 541 00:21:59,085 --> 00:22:00,608 - No, that's what the facts say. 542 00:22:00,652 --> 00:22:03,089 - Reed is using you and your chat room friends 543 00:22:03,132 --> 00:22:04,569 to become a billionaire. 544 00:22:04,612 --> 00:22:06,135 - For God sakes, Manny. 545 00:22:06,179 --> 00:22:09,574 You worry about you, not Reed. 546 00:22:09,617 --> 00:22:12,316 Now, you tell them what you two talked about. 547 00:22:16,276 --> 00:22:18,626 - He said Hoyt was very dangerous, 548 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,106 a threat to the country, 549 00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:22,413 that the wave was coming, and that he needed people 550 00:22:22,456 --> 00:22:25,285 to neutralize that left-wing threat, 551 00:22:25,329 --> 00:22:29,855 people willing to take bold and decisive action. 552 00:22:29,898 --> 00:22:31,291 - Did he ask you to kill him? 553 00:22:31,335 --> 00:22:33,772 - He kept using the word "neutralize," 554 00:22:33,815 --> 00:22:36,296 but I knew what he meant. 555 00:22:36,340 --> 00:22:38,603 - Did you expect anything in return for killing Hoyt-- 556 00:22:38,646 --> 00:22:41,170 money, a car? 557 00:22:41,214 --> 00:22:44,913 - He said that his company rewards true patriots, 558 00:22:44,957 --> 00:22:49,440 those willing to take action, that kind of thing, you know? 559 00:22:49,483 --> 00:22:53,444 ♪ 560 00:22:54,793 --> 00:22:55,184 . 561 00:22:55,228 --> 00:22:57,752 - Docket number CR 54378-22, 562 00:22:57,796 --> 00:23:01,756 People versus Jordan Reed, Murder in the First Degree. 563 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,497 - How does the defendant plead? 564 00:23:03,541 --> 00:23:05,891 - Not guilty, Your Honor. 565 00:23:05,934 --> 00:23:07,893 - People on bail? - Remand. 566 00:23:07,936 --> 00:23:09,242 The defendant is a flight risk. 567 00:23:09,285 --> 00:23:11,026 He has access to private jets, 568 00:23:11,070 --> 00:23:12,245 foreign political leaders-- 569 00:23:12,288 --> 00:23:14,247 - This is preposterous, Your Honor. 570 00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:15,988 My client has done nothing wrong. 571 00:23:16,031 --> 00:23:17,598 He's committed no crime. 572 00:23:17,642 --> 00:23:18,991 Not his fault some lunatic 573 00:23:19,034 --> 00:23:21,646 pushed Derek Hoyt in front of a bus. 574 00:23:21,689 --> 00:23:23,952 - Bail is set at $1 million. 575 00:23:23,996 --> 00:23:25,563 Next case. [gavel knocks] 576 00:23:27,303 --> 00:23:29,088 all chanting: Free Jordan Reed! 577 00:23:29,131 --> 00:23:32,091 Free Jordan Reed! Free Jordan Reed! 578 00:23:32,134 --> 00:23:34,398 - So much for the home field advantage. 579 00:23:34,441 --> 00:23:36,443 - Reed definitely has a hardcore following. 580 00:23:36,487 --> 00:23:38,271 - That's why we're here in the first place. 581 00:23:38,314 --> 00:23:39,751 all chanting: Free Jordan Reed! 582 00:23:39,794 --> 00:23:42,362 ♪ 583 00:23:42,406 --> 00:23:47,411 - Derek Hoyt was a kind, decent husband and father. 584 00:23:47,454 --> 00:23:49,630 He was also an aspiring politician 585 00:23:49,674 --> 00:23:52,459 with a bright future. 586 00:23:52,503 --> 00:23:55,636 So in search of salacious headlines, 587 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,117 the defendant created a false narrative 588 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,206 that Derek Hoyt was a pedophile-- 589 00:24:00,249 --> 00:24:03,601 that he was part of a depraved sex-trafficking ring 590 00:24:03,644 --> 00:24:06,473 that preyed on underage children. 591 00:24:06,517 --> 00:24:10,608 To help perpetuate this disgraceful fiction, 592 00:24:10,651 --> 00:24:13,959 he disseminated fake photos of Derek Hoyt 593 00:24:14,002 --> 00:24:15,656 and young girls on the internet. 594 00:24:19,486 --> 00:24:20,966 You see, 595 00:24:21,009 --> 00:24:23,490 inventing mythical enemies 596 00:24:23,534 --> 00:24:27,320 is a part of the defendant's business model. 597 00:24:27,363 --> 00:24:29,191 He creates clickbait. 598 00:24:29,235 --> 00:24:32,107 He provides exciting liberal enemies 599 00:24:32,151 --> 00:24:33,761 for his followers to hate. 600 00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:36,851 He then posts about these dangerous fascists 601 00:24:36,895 --> 00:24:39,158 and anti-Americans on his websites, 602 00:24:39,201 --> 00:24:41,073 talks about them on his streaming platforms 603 00:24:41,116 --> 00:24:44,337 and podcasts, but the only thing 604 00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:49,168 he really cares about is money. 605 00:24:49,211 --> 00:24:52,737 Monetizing the outrage and venom. 606 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:53,781 That's how the defendant built 607 00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:56,784 his billion dollar media empire. 608 00:24:56,828 --> 00:25:00,875 In simplest terms, the defendant made Derek Hoyt 609 00:25:00,919 --> 00:25:03,225 an enemy of the far-right, 610 00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:05,271 then offered Manny Lopez 611 00:25:05,314 --> 00:25:08,535 a misguided, but intelligent patriotic ex-marine 612 00:25:08,579 --> 00:25:12,060 a financial reward to kill that enemy, 613 00:25:12,104 --> 00:25:14,367 and Manny Lopez did. 614 00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:17,588 He pushed him in front of a bus. 615 00:25:17,631 --> 00:25:24,551 ♪ 616 00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:31,253 Tomorrow, you'll hear from Mr. Lopez himself. 617 00:25:31,297 --> 00:25:35,083 He will describe this murder-for-hire arrangement 618 00:25:35,127 --> 00:25:37,521 in more detail and make it clear 619 00:25:37,564 --> 00:25:41,916 the defendant should be held accountable 620 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,875 for Mr. Hoyt's death. 621 00:25:43,918 --> 00:25:49,707 ♪ 622 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:51,709 - [sighs] 623 00:25:51,752 --> 00:25:53,493 Sometimes, 624 00:25:53,537 --> 00:25:57,410 murder trials can be complicated. 625 00:25:57,453 --> 00:26:00,631 Now, sometimes, there's-- there's lots of science, 626 00:26:00,674 --> 00:26:04,286 blood evidence, contradictory testimony. 627 00:26:05,505 --> 00:26:09,422 But sometimes, they're easy. 628 00:26:09,465 --> 00:26:13,513 The answer is sittin' there right in front of you. 629 00:26:13,557 --> 00:26:18,387 It's so simple and clear, it's almost confusing. 630 00:26:18,431 --> 00:26:20,694 This is one of those cases. 631 00:26:20,738 --> 00:26:26,178 Manny Lopez pushed Derek Hoyt in front of a bus. 632 00:26:26,221 --> 00:26:27,919 Jordan Reed didn't. 633 00:26:27,962 --> 00:26:31,183 To hold him guilty for another man's act of violence 634 00:26:31,226 --> 00:26:34,186 is contrary to the intent of the law, 635 00:26:34,229 --> 00:26:36,623 and a dangerous attempt to criminalize 636 00:26:36,667 --> 00:26:39,757 the expression of free speech. 637 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,412 If I say the coach of the New York Jets is terrible-- 638 00:26:43,456 --> 00:26:44,936 [chuckling] Right? I mean he's an idiot-- 639 00:26:44,979 --> 00:26:47,460 he deserves to die. 640 00:26:47,503 --> 00:26:50,942 And the next day, some lunatic kills him, 641 00:26:50,985 --> 00:26:53,684 pushes him in front of a bus, for example. 642 00:26:53,727 --> 00:26:59,646 Am I responsible for what this deranged football fan did? 643 00:26:59,690 --> 00:27:02,475 No, of course not. 644 00:27:02,518 --> 00:27:06,958 Manny Lopez killed Derek Hoyt. 645 00:27:07,001 --> 00:27:09,525 Jordan Reed did not. 646 00:27:11,832 --> 00:27:13,486 Like I said, 647 00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:16,358 sometimes, cases are easy. 648 00:27:19,361 --> 00:27:21,146 - Okay, we're adjourned. 649 00:27:21,189 --> 00:27:22,451 [gavel knocks] 650 00:27:24,192 --> 00:27:27,848 [cell phones vibrating] 651 00:27:27,892 --> 00:27:30,808 ♪ 652 00:27:30,851 --> 00:27:31,896 - Notify the judge. 653 00:27:31,939 --> 00:27:33,985 I'll--I'll head down to the hospital. 654 00:27:34,028 --> 00:27:40,426 ♪ 655 00:27:40,469 --> 00:27:43,385 [indistinct PA announcement] 656 00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:48,913 ♪ 657 00:27:48,956 --> 00:27:51,829 Excuse me, I'm looking for Manuel Lopez. 658 00:27:51,872 --> 00:27:54,048 I was told he was just rushed to the ER. 659 00:27:54,092 --> 00:27:56,529 - And you are? - Assistant District Attorney 660 00:27:56,572 --> 00:27:58,009 Nolan Price. Manny's supposed to be 661 00:27:58,052 --> 00:28:00,794 testifying in a murder trial tomorrow morning. 662 00:28:00,838 --> 00:28:03,101 - Well, I'm afraid that's not possible. 663 00:28:03,144 --> 00:28:04,755 He's dead. 664 00:28:04,798 --> 00:28:06,234 - He's dead? 665 00:28:06,278 --> 00:28:08,715 - He hanged himself earlier this morning in his cell. 666 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:10,891 We tried to revive him, but there was nothing we could do. 667 00:28:10,935 --> 00:28:17,898 ♪ 668 00:28:20,814 --> 00:28:21,206 . 669 00:28:21,249 --> 00:28:23,208 - Your Honor, the People's case was predicated 670 00:28:23,251 --> 00:28:25,689 on Manny Lopez's testimony. 671 00:28:25,732 --> 00:28:28,082 He was, in effect, the only piece of evidence 672 00:28:28,126 --> 00:28:30,606 that could establish that Mr. Reed hired him 673 00:28:30,650 --> 00:28:31,695 to kill the victim. 674 00:28:31,738 --> 00:28:33,131 So without Manny, 675 00:28:33,174 --> 00:28:36,003 it's literally impossible to prove murder-for-hire. 676 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:38,310 No Manny, no case. Simple as that. 677 00:28:38,353 --> 00:28:41,052 - Mr. Price, that true? 678 00:28:41,095 --> 00:28:43,968 Is Mr. Lopez the only ace up your sleeve? 679 00:28:44,011 --> 00:28:46,057 Do you have anything else that gives you a puncher's chance 680 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:48,450 to prove your case? - Not at the moment. 681 00:28:48,494 --> 00:28:50,409 - Then I'm going to grant the motion to dismiss. 682 00:28:50,452 --> 00:28:51,976 - I have no objection to dismissing 683 00:28:52,019 --> 00:28:53,978 the murder-for-hire charge. 684 00:28:54,021 --> 00:28:56,545 But we'd still like to proceed 685 00:28:56,589 --> 00:28:59,113 with the lesser-included offense, Murder Two. 686 00:28:59,157 --> 00:29:00,419 - Under what theory? 687 00:29:00,462 --> 00:29:02,290 - Your client showed a depraved indifference 688 00:29:02,334 --> 00:29:04,423 to human life. - Oh, this is ridiculous. 689 00:29:04,466 --> 00:29:08,732 - Reed's lies, his posts, and photos incited Manny Lopez 690 00:29:08,775 --> 00:29:09,776 to commit murder. 691 00:29:09,820 --> 00:29:12,605 He knew, or should have known, 692 00:29:12,648 --> 00:29:14,868 that his repeated fabrications would likely cause 693 00:29:14,912 --> 00:29:17,653 one of his ardent followers to kill Derek Hoyt. 694 00:29:17,697 --> 00:29:20,656 - Is this a joke? You wanna try Reed for murder 695 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,485 based on a series of stupid chat room posts? 696 00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:24,617 - That's exactly what I wanna do. 697 00:29:24,660 --> 00:29:25,749 - Chat room posts, 698 00:29:25,792 --> 00:29:27,707 social media rants, they're protected 699 00:29:27,751 --> 00:29:29,230 under the First Amendment. 700 00:29:29,274 --> 00:29:31,406 Jordan Reed can say whatever the hell he wants. 701 00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:33,495 He could talk about liberal cannibals 702 00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:36,063 and underage sex trafficking rings all day long. 703 00:29:36,107 --> 00:29:38,979 - Your client yelled "fire" in a crowded movie theater, 704 00:29:39,023 --> 00:29:42,504 and Derek Hoyt got trampled to death. 705 00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:45,507 We have every right to move forward on Murder Two. 706 00:29:47,292 --> 00:29:50,382 - I agree with Mr. Price. There's a case here. 707 00:29:50,425 --> 00:29:53,559 I'm not sure if it's winnable, but it's certainly triable. 708 00:29:53,602 --> 00:29:55,779 So let's do it. 709 00:29:55,822 --> 00:30:01,610 ♪ 710 00:30:01,654 --> 00:30:03,264 - When the photos were enlarged, 711 00:30:03,308 --> 00:30:06,354 significant pixelation and discoloring were evident-- 712 00:30:06,398 --> 00:30:08,530 two telltale signs of alteration. 713 00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:10,358 - So they're fake? They were photoshopped? 714 00:30:10,402 --> 00:30:12,578 - Yes, the images from the young girls' 715 00:30:12,621 --> 00:30:16,451 legitimate social accounts were copied and then transposed 716 00:30:16,495 --> 00:30:19,324 onto photos with Derek Hoyt and vice-versa. 717 00:30:19,367 --> 00:30:22,849 - These fake photos were posted to a virtual community 718 00:30:22,893 --> 00:30:25,373 called Rogue Wave, a place where believers 719 00:30:25,417 --> 00:30:27,854 in the so-called QAnon conspiracy theory 720 00:30:27,898 --> 00:30:30,291 gather to share ideas. 721 00:30:30,335 --> 00:30:31,553 Were you able to determine 722 00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:33,599 which IP address they were sent from? 723 00:30:33,642 --> 00:30:38,909 - Yes. IP address 198.51.100.0/24. 724 00:30:39,648 --> 00:30:42,869 - These statements were also posted to Rogue Wave. 725 00:30:42,913 --> 00:30:45,002 Do you know which IP address they came from? 726 00:30:45,045 --> 00:30:46,481 - Yes, same one. 727 00:30:46,525 --> 00:30:49,223 - And were you able to trace that IP address 728 00:30:49,267 --> 00:30:51,573 to a particular office? - Yes. 729 00:30:51,617 --> 00:30:53,967 It was located in a large corner office 730 00:30:54,011 --> 00:30:56,927 in a company called Audix, LLC. 731 00:30:56,970 --> 00:31:01,061 The nameplate on the door said, "Jordan Reed." 732 00:31:01,105 --> 00:31:02,280 - Nothing further. 733 00:31:07,894 --> 00:31:10,375 - You have no proof Mr. Reed 734 00:31:10,418 --> 00:31:13,726 actually created those photos, correct? 735 00:31:13,769 --> 00:31:15,859 - No, but they were sent from his computer. 736 00:31:15,902 --> 00:31:20,515 - You also have no proof Mr. Reed wrote or posted 737 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:23,605 those statements to Rogue Wave? 738 00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:27,958 - I don't, but they were sent from his computer. 739 00:31:28,001 --> 00:31:29,133 - Nothing further. 740 00:31:31,526 --> 00:31:33,789 - We have the posts and the photos. 741 00:31:33,833 --> 00:31:36,792 It's not perfect, but it'll show that Reed 742 00:31:36,836 --> 00:31:39,143 wanted to incite action-- 743 00:31:39,186 --> 00:31:41,362 no, that his objective 744 00:31:41,406 --> 00:31:43,887 was to prompt his most zealous followers 745 00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:47,542 to commit an act of violence against Derek Hoyt. 746 00:31:47,586 --> 00:31:50,241 - It's a good start, but we need more 747 00:31:50,284 --> 00:31:52,808 to bolster our theory of depraved indifference. 748 00:31:52,852 --> 00:31:56,551 We need to show Reed knew there was a strong likelihood 749 00:31:56,595 --> 00:31:59,293 Manny would kill Hoyt based on his outrageous posts 750 00:31:59,337 --> 00:32:00,816 and only those outrageous posts. 751 00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:03,863 - We have what we have. I mean, it'd be great 752 00:32:03,907 --> 00:32:05,430 if I had a beach house in South Hampton, 753 00:32:05,473 --> 00:32:06,779 but I don't, so I make do 754 00:32:06,822 --> 00:32:08,912 with my cousin's cottage on the Jersey Shore 755 00:32:08,955 --> 00:32:11,001 for three days in August. 756 00:32:11,044 --> 00:32:14,569 - We're asking the jury to convict someone for murder, 757 00:32:14,613 --> 00:32:16,963 for spreading lies on the internet. 758 00:32:17,007 --> 00:32:18,965 This could be ground-breaking, 759 00:32:19,009 --> 00:32:20,575 like convicting Trump for the murders 760 00:32:20,619 --> 00:32:23,143 that took place on January 6th. 761 00:32:23,187 --> 00:32:25,189 We need to give the jury more. 762 00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:30,194 - We know Manny attended three recent rallies 763 00:32:30,237 --> 00:32:32,196 where Reed was the featured speaker. 764 00:32:32,239 --> 00:32:34,894 So let's start there. 765 00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:37,984 ♪ 766 00:32:38,028 --> 00:32:40,465 - Is that you standing beside Jordan Reed? 767 00:32:40,508 --> 00:32:42,075 - Yeah, that's me. 768 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:43,294 - What'd you two talk about? 769 00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:45,035 - Nothing too specific. 770 00:32:45,078 --> 00:32:47,733 - Did he ever mention a guy named Derek Hoyt? 771 00:32:47,776 --> 00:32:48,995 - No, Who's he? 772 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,866 - He got murdered a while ago. 773 00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:53,173 The guy you're standing next to, Manny Lopez, pushed him 774 00:32:53,217 --> 00:32:56,176 in front of a bus. - Damn. 775 00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:58,091 That's crazy. - Did Manny say anything 776 00:32:58,135 --> 00:33:01,181 to Reed that might suggest he'd do something violent? 777 00:33:01,225 --> 00:33:03,183 - No, he barely talked. 778 00:33:03,227 --> 00:33:04,402 - Did you guys talk about anything 779 00:33:04,445 --> 00:33:06,491 other than how screwed up the country is? 780 00:33:06,534 --> 00:33:09,015 - Yeah, lots of stuff. 781 00:33:09,059 --> 00:33:10,060 - Like what? 782 00:33:10,103 --> 00:33:11,670 - Uh, the Knicks. 783 00:33:11,713 --> 00:33:14,238 Me and Reed were pissed about Kemba Walker being benched. 784 00:33:16,457 --> 00:33:18,024 - They didn't talk about Derek Hoyt 785 00:33:18,068 --> 00:33:19,547 or committing acts of violence? 786 00:33:19,591 --> 00:33:20,940 It was just a pleasant chat 787 00:33:20,984 --> 00:33:23,812 about life in America, circa 2022? 788 00:33:23,856 --> 00:33:25,597 - According to Pond, they talked about 789 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,993 everything but Hoyt or committing acts of violence. 790 00:33:30,036 --> 00:33:31,472 - This is bad. 791 00:33:31,516 --> 00:33:33,387 - It's exculpatory too. 792 00:33:33,431 --> 00:33:34,954 - I'm not so sure. 793 00:33:34,998 --> 00:33:37,348 - It contradicts our entire thesis that Reed was baiting 794 00:33:37,391 --> 00:33:38,740 his followers to attack Hoyt. 795 00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:40,438 - This is just one conversation, 796 00:33:40,481 --> 00:33:43,006 one simple sound bite-- - A simple sound bite 797 00:33:43,049 --> 00:33:46,400 that favors the defendant. 798 00:33:46,444 --> 00:33:48,054 - [sighs] You're right. 799 00:33:48,098 --> 00:33:50,230 ♪ 800 00:33:50,274 --> 00:33:54,408 We need to notify defense. Let them know what we found, 801 00:33:54,452 --> 00:33:57,411 and then we need to get back to work, 802 00:33:57,455 --> 00:33:59,805 and figure out how to win this damn case. 803 00:33:59,848 --> 00:34:04,505 ♪ 804 00:34:06,203 --> 00:34:06,420 . 805 00:34:06,464 --> 00:34:08,683 - Did you attend a political rally 806 00:34:08,727 --> 00:34:11,121 at a restaurant called The Grey Lion on March 10th? 807 00:34:11,164 --> 00:34:14,472 - Yes. - At this event, 808 00:34:14,515 --> 00:34:17,997 did you happen to have a conversation with Jordan Reed 809 00:34:18,041 --> 00:34:19,999 and Manny Lopez? - I did. 810 00:34:20,043 --> 00:34:22,393 - What did you three discuss? 811 00:34:22,436 --> 00:34:24,917 - We talked about how screwed up our country is. 812 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,919 - Can you be more specific? 813 00:34:26,962 --> 00:34:29,095 - We talked about how much the liberals hate us, 814 00:34:29,139 --> 00:34:31,097 how stupid they think we are. 815 00:34:31,141 --> 00:34:33,404 If I dare to express a view contrary to theirs, 816 00:34:33,447 --> 00:34:37,016 I'm an idiot, a racist, homophobic... 817 00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:39,453 I mean, this is America. 818 00:34:39,497 --> 00:34:40,889 We should be able to express our views 819 00:34:40,933 --> 00:34:42,804 without being attacked. 820 00:34:42,848 --> 00:34:44,763 - Did you discuss anything else? 821 00:34:44,806 --> 00:34:46,373 - Yes. 822 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:47,766 The New York Knicks. 823 00:34:47,809 --> 00:34:51,204 - Ha. [chuckles] 824 00:34:51,248 --> 00:34:55,121 Did Jordan Reed ask you or Manny Lopez 825 00:34:55,165 --> 00:34:57,428 to commit an act of violence, 826 00:34:57,471 --> 00:35:01,214 to help protect the country against the liberal cabal? 827 00:35:01,258 --> 00:35:02,911 - No, sir. 828 00:35:05,131 --> 00:35:06,393 - Nothing further. 829 00:35:08,178 --> 00:35:09,614 - You weren't standing next to Manny Lopez 830 00:35:09,657 --> 00:35:10,789 the whole night, correct? 831 00:35:10,832 --> 00:35:12,138 - Correct. - You weren't standing 832 00:35:12,182 --> 00:35:13,835 next to Jordan Reed the whole night either? 833 00:35:13,879 --> 00:35:15,533 - Correct. - So it's possible 834 00:35:15,576 --> 00:35:17,578 Manny Lopez and Jordan Reed may have discussed something else 835 00:35:17,622 --> 00:35:20,103 including committing acts of violence, correct? 836 00:35:20,146 --> 00:35:22,279 - It's possible, but-- - This wasn't the only 837 00:35:22,322 --> 00:35:24,237 political event Mr. Reed ever sponsored, correct? 838 00:35:24,281 --> 00:35:26,500 - No. He puts on lots of rallies. 839 00:35:26,544 --> 00:35:28,067 Once a week, actually. 840 00:35:28,111 --> 00:35:31,592 [dramatic music] 841 00:35:31,636 --> 00:35:33,638 - How'd you find out about these rallies? 842 00:35:33,681 --> 00:35:34,856 - Word of mouth, mostly. 843 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,423 People usually text each other. 844 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:38,164 ♪ 845 00:35:38,208 --> 00:35:39,644 - Thank you. Nothing further. 846 00:35:39,687 --> 00:35:41,733 ♪ 847 00:35:41,776 --> 00:35:43,300 Get a subpoena for Pond's phone. 848 00:35:43,343 --> 00:35:46,172 We need to review his texts then do a deep dive 849 00:35:46,216 --> 00:35:47,826 into every rally Reed's attended 850 00:35:47,869 --> 00:35:49,262 for the past few months. 851 00:35:49,306 --> 00:35:52,047 Then have detectives scrub the surveillance footage. 852 00:35:52,091 --> 00:35:55,094 We need a clip, a quote, a sound bite, 853 00:35:55,138 --> 00:35:57,705 something that reveals who Jordan Reed really is. 854 00:35:57,749 --> 00:36:00,621 - Happy to do it, but why? 855 00:36:00,665 --> 00:36:02,057 - Excuse me? 856 00:36:02,101 --> 00:36:04,059 - We rested our case two days ago. 857 00:36:04,103 --> 00:36:05,844 Even if we find something interesting, 858 00:36:05,887 --> 00:36:07,193 we can't introduce it. 859 00:36:07,237 --> 00:36:09,195 - But we can use it on cross. 860 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,892 - Once again, happy to do it, 861 00:36:10,936 --> 00:36:12,285 but there is no indication 862 00:36:12,329 --> 00:36:14,287 that Reed is actually going to testify. 863 00:36:14,331 --> 00:36:17,116 - You really think the biggest media whore in America 864 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,510 is gonna pass up the opportunity to wrap himself 865 00:36:19,553 --> 00:36:20,728 in the First Amendment, 866 00:36:20,772 --> 00:36:22,556 and provide free content 867 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,036 for his media company? 868 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,255 Not a chance. 869 00:36:25,298 --> 00:36:27,866 Get the subpoena, and start scrubbing. 870 00:36:27,909 --> 00:36:32,697 ♪ 871 00:36:32,740 --> 00:36:37,876 - Have you spent any time in a chat room called Rogue Wave? 872 00:36:37,919 --> 00:36:39,051 - I'm aware of it, 873 00:36:39,094 --> 00:36:42,054 but I've actually never participated 874 00:36:42,097 --> 00:36:45,275 in any online discussions. 875 00:36:45,318 --> 00:36:48,060 Like I said, we have over 500 employees at the company, 876 00:36:48,103 --> 00:36:50,236 and most of them are very patriotic too. 877 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,370 So it's possible one of them might have used my computer. 878 00:36:53,413 --> 00:36:54,806 - Mm-hmm. 879 00:36:54,849 --> 00:36:56,068 Nothing further. 880 00:36:58,113 --> 00:36:59,202 - You ready? 881 00:37:02,466 --> 00:37:04,772 Highly unusual for an employee 882 00:37:04,816 --> 00:37:07,079 to use the CEO's office without his knowledge 883 00:37:07,122 --> 00:37:08,733 or permission, correct? 884 00:37:08,776 --> 00:37:10,038 - Not at my company. 885 00:37:10,082 --> 00:37:12,171 We have an open and inclusive culture. 886 00:37:12,215 --> 00:37:13,259 Doors are never closed. 887 00:37:13,303 --> 00:37:14,739 In fact, most offices 888 00:37:14,782 --> 00:37:16,131 don't even have doors. 889 00:37:16,175 --> 00:37:18,177 - Your office has a door. - Yes. 890 00:37:18,221 --> 00:37:21,963 But I never close it or lock it. 891 00:37:22,007 --> 00:37:23,835 - Your computer has a password, correct? 892 00:37:23,878 --> 00:37:25,619 - It does, yes, but it's written 893 00:37:25,663 --> 00:37:27,882 on one of those yellow sticky things 894 00:37:27,926 --> 00:37:28,970 stuck to the computer. 895 00:37:29,014 --> 00:37:31,059 It's... it's low-tech, I know, 896 00:37:31,103 --> 00:37:33,279 but I'm always forgetting my damn passwords. 897 00:37:33,323 --> 00:37:36,587 You know, too many devices and subscriptions... 898 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:39,633 - You said it earlier a lot of your employees are patriotic. 899 00:37:39,677 --> 00:37:41,200 You consider yourself a patriot too? 900 00:37:41,244 --> 00:37:42,419 - Yes, of course. 901 00:37:42,462 --> 00:37:44,290 - I imagine you also consider yourself 902 00:37:44,334 --> 00:37:46,423 a proud proponent of the First Amendment. 903 00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:47,293 - I do. 904 00:37:47,337 --> 00:37:49,904 Freedom of speech is 905 00:37:49,948 --> 00:37:52,429 the cornerstone of our democracy. 906 00:37:52,472 --> 00:37:56,171 It's the defining feature of our country. 907 00:37:56,215 --> 00:37:59,174 People have the right to express 908 00:37:59,218 --> 00:38:01,351 their religious and political beliefs 909 00:38:01,394 --> 00:38:03,222 even if they're unpopular, 910 00:38:03,266 --> 00:38:07,052 even if the people in power find them abhorrent, 911 00:38:07,095 --> 00:38:09,881 and that open exchange right there, 912 00:38:09,924 --> 00:38:13,319 that is what makes America the greatest country on Earth. 913 00:38:13,363 --> 00:38:16,148 - So your goal was to foster 914 00:38:16,191 --> 00:38:19,325 the open exchange of opinions and ideas? 915 00:38:19,369 --> 00:38:22,720 - Yes, I just wanna give patriotic Americans a forum 916 00:38:22,763 --> 00:38:24,635 to express their thoughts. 917 00:38:24,678 --> 00:38:27,812 You know, contrary to popular opinion, Mr. Price, 918 00:38:27,855 --> 00:38:30,771 most conservatives don't enjoy the didactic rhetoric 919 00:38:30,815 --> 00:38:32,251 of the far-left. 920 00:38:32,295 --> 00:38:35,341 - So despite the outrageous and inflammatory posts 921 00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:37,648 sent from your office computer, 922 00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:39,084 your goal was simply 923 00:38:39,127 --> 00:38:42,043 to cultivate a peaceful exchange of ideas? 924 00:38:42,087 --> 00:38:43,654 - Yes. - You didn't want 925 00:38:43,697 --> 00:38:45,699 your followers to commit acts of violence? 926 00:38:45,743 --> 00:38:47,266 - No, no, no. 927 00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:49,399 No, that would be the last thing I'd ever want. 928 00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:54,186 - I'd like to show you a video clip of you talking 929 00:38:54,229 --> 00:38:56,623 to one of your employees at a recent rally-- 930 00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:59,104 - Objection. We haven't had a chance 931 00:38:59,147 --> 00:39:00,540 to review this material. 932 00:39:00,584 --> 00:39:02,368 - There was no reason to share it until now. 933 00:39:02,412 --> 00:39:04,544 We couldn't anticipate the defendant would testify, 934 00:39:04,588 --> 00:39:07,982 and open the door with his statements about cultivating 935 00:39:08,026 --> 00:39:10,550 the peaceful exchange of ideas. 936 00:39:10,594 --> 00:39:13,118 - And this video clip will rebut those statements? 937 00:39:13,161 --> 00:39:15,381 - It will directly contradict what the defendant just said 938 00:39:15,425 --> 00:39:19,037 regarding his goals and objectives. 939 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,473 - I'll allow it. 940 00:39:25,783 --> 00:39:27,393 - Look at these idiots, 941 00:39:27,437 --> 00:39:29,569 drinkin', gettin' all riled up. 942 00:39:31,876 --> 00:39:34,052 If we could just find a way to activate these morons 943 00:39:34,095 --> 00:39:35,314 to actually attack 944 00:39:35,358 --> 00:39:37,621 or even kill 945 00:39:37,664 --> 00:39:40,885 some trans-bathroom-loving liberal, 946 00:39:40,928 --> 00:39:43,844 we-- 947 00:39:43,888 --> 00:39:46,760 we'd be the number one media company in the world. 948 00:39:46,804 --> 00:39:48,545 [dramatic music] 949 00:39:48,588 --> 00:39:49,937 [chuckles] 950 00:39:49,981 --> 00:39:54,333 ♪ 951 00:39:54,377 --> 00:39:58,163 - A waiter took that video at a recent rally. 952 00:39:58,206 --> 00:40:02,428 It shows you saying you'd like to see one of "these morons" 953 00:40:02,472 --> 00:40:05,213 attack or kill someone. 954 00:40:05,257 --> 00:40:09,261 - I was kidding. Come on, that--I was joking. 955 00:40:09,304 --> 00:40:11,219 - That's a hell of a thing to joke about. 956 00:40:11,263 --> 00:40:17,008 ♪ 957 00:40:17,051 --> 00:40:18,183 Nothing further. 958 00:40:18,226 --> 00:40:19,663 ♪ 959 00:40:19,706 --> 00:40:20,794 - Defense? 960 00:40:20,838 --> 00:40:22,317 - Nothing at this time. 961 00:40:22,361 --> 00:40:28,193 ♪ 962 00:40:28,236 --> 00:40:30,195 - Has the jury reached a verdict? 963 00:40:30,238 --> 00:40:31,675 - We have, Your Honor. 964 00:40:31,718 --> 00:40:33,459 On the count of Murder in the Second Degree, 965 00:40:33,503 --> 00:40:35,113 we find the defendant... 966 00:40:35,156 --> 00:40:37,724 guilty. - [laughs] 967 00:40:37,768 --> 00:40:39,683 You've got to be-- 968 00:40:39,726 --> 00:40:42,163 get off of me. 969 00:40:42,207 --> 00:40:44,470 This isn't over. This isn't over! 970 00:40:44,514 --> 00:40:47,255 The true patriots will have the last say. 971 00:40:47,299 --> 00:40:49,214 They will not stand for this act of tyranny! 972 00:40:49,257 --> 00:40:52,478 ♪ 973 00:40:52,522 --> 00:40:53,958 - Hell of a verdict, Nolan. 974 00:40:54,001 --> 00:40:56,830 Will make people think twice before tweeting venom. 975 00:40:56,874 --> 00:40:58,049 - I'm not so sure. 976 00:40:58,092 --> 00:41:00,530 Someone called "garrett-from-the-country" 977 00:41:00,573 --> 00:41:03,097 just tweeted me a particularly venomous death threat. 978 00:41:03,141 --> 00:41:08,755 ♪ 979 00:41:12,542 --> 00:41:12,759 . 980 00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:15,719 [dramatic music] 981 00:41:15,762 --> 00:41:22,682 ♪ 982 00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:39,438 ♪ 983 00:41:42,049 --> 00:41:44,965 [wolf howls]