1 00:00:01,369 --> 00:00:04,036 the people are represented 2 00:00:04,038 --> 00:00:06,372 by two separate yet equally important groups: 3 00:00:06,374 --> 00:00:08,307 The police, who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,309 --> 00:00:11,543 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,545 --> 00:00:13,145 These are their stories. 6 00:00:15,149 --> 00:00:16,148 We got you. 7 00:00:16,150 --> 00:00:19,151 I got you. 8 00:00:19,153 --> 00:00:20,386 What is it? 9 00:00:20,388 --> 00:00:23,122 Ooh, that's a globe thistle pod 10 00:00:23,124 --> 00:00:24,790 from a globe thistle tree. 11 00:00:24,792 --> 00:00:26,291 Oh, okay. 12 00:00:28,229 --> 00:00:29,495 Oh, get real. 13 00:00:29,497 --> 00:00:31,630 I can't just leave for lunch. 14 00:00:31,632 --> 00:00:33,632 Who says you got to leave? 15 00:00:33,634 --> 00:00:36,235 I'm sure you've got a peanut butter sandwich for me. 16 00:00:36,237 --> 00:00:38,303 What have you got to trade? 17 00:00:38,305 --> 00:00:40,572 Dinner in Soho, tonight? 18 00:00:40,574 --> 00:00:44,109 Okay, but I get to keep my Twinkies. 19 00:00:44,111 --> 00:00:45,110 Hey, Tisha! 20 00:00:45,112 --> 00:00:49,114 Tisha, stay away from the dog. 21 00:00:49,116 --> 00:00:50,516 That's not a stray. 22 00:00:50,518 --> 00:00:52,317 It has a collar. 23 00:00:52,319 --> 00:00:54,553 ( screaming ) 24 00:00:56,057 --> 00:00:57,222 Are you okay? 25 00:00:57,224 --> 00:00:58,390 Did he bite you? 26 00:00:58,392 --> 00:01:00,192 ( sobs ) 27 00:01:05,332 --> 00:01:06,532 ( gasps ) 28 00:01:14,108 --> 00:01:15,791 She's real cold. 29 00:01:15,792 --> 00:01:17,475 They say she's been out here for hours. 30 00:01:17,478 --> 00:01:19,111 What is it-- a rape, or a mugging? 31 00:01:19,113 --> 00:01:20,112 Don't know. She's in bad shape. 32 00:01:20,114 --> 00:01:21,080 Skull's fractured. 33 00:01:21,082 --> 00:01:23,082 Looks like she's been choked. 34 00:01:23,084 --> 00:01:25,117 They think she'll make it? 35 00:01:25,119 --> 00:01:26,669 I don't know. 36 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:28,220 They can barely find blood pressure. 37 00:01:28,222 --> 00:01:29,488 Hey, guys, move. 38 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:30,622 Where to? 39 00:01:30,624 --> 00:01:32,124 Saint Teresa's. 40 00:01:32,126 --> 00:01:34,126 Found this... 41 00:01:34,128 --> 00:01:35,628 on the path. 42 00:01:35,629 --> 00:01:37,129 coming through! Coming through, PARAMEDIC: 43 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:45,437 CERRETA: Has she been conscious? Has she said anything? 44 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:46,538 She's in a coma, Detective; 45 00:01:46,540 --> 00:01:48,307 that tends to prevent speech. 46 00:01:48,309 --> 00:01:51,176 Go to the park, get your head crushed? 47 00:01:51,178 --> 00:01:52,578 Makes you want to move someplace safe. 48 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:53,679 Didn't know there were any left. 49 00:01:53,681 --> 00:01:55,581 Is she gonna get out of this? 50 00:01:55,583 --> 00:01:58,317 Cerebral hemorrhage, skull fractures, 51 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,252 damage to the vocal chords-- 52 00:02:00,254 --> 00:02:03,322 add the exposure, it's a miracle she's alive. 53 00:02:03,324 --> 00:02:04,556 She survives this, 54 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:07,259 she's in for a long recovery. 55 00:02:10,698 --> 00:02:13,599 You the cops who sent us the Jane Doe? 56 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:15,134 Yup. 57 00:02:16,704 --> 00:02:19,705 Lucy Neven. 568 Central Park West. 58 00:02:19,707 --> 00:02:21,206 You're kidding. 59 00:02:21,208 --> 00:02:22,574 No, I made it up. Why? 60 00:02:22,576 --> 00:02:24,209 Major soap star. 61 00:02:24,211 --> 00:02:26,378 Delia Mason on World Without End. 62 00:02:26,380 --> 00:02:28,030 My mother watches it. 63 00:02:28,031 --> 00:02:29,681 She follows the stories like it happened to the neighbors. 64 00:02:29,683 --> 00:02:31,183 Tell your mom, 65 00:02:31,185 --> 00:02:32,751 she's in for a plot twist. 66 00:04:00,507 --> 00:04:01,640 You believe this? 67 00:04:01,642 --> 00:04:03,675 They already got her buried. 68 00:04:03,677 --> 00:04:04,943 She's not in great shape. 69 00:04:04,945 --> 00:04:08,280 We don't crack this quick, we won't be either. 70 00:04:08,282 --> 00:04:10,782 Whatever's on your plate, clean it. 71 00:04:10,784 --> 00:04:11,850 This comes first. 72 00:04:11,852 --> 00:04:13,585 Well, it ain't a mugging, 73 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:15,754 'cause she still had cash with her. 74 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:18,557 Could have been interrupted-- caught in the act. 75 00:04:18,559 --> 00:04:20,125 She's recognizable. 76 00:04:20,126 --> 00:04:21,692 This woman is on a soap opera every day. 77 00:04:21,695 --> 00:04:23,462 LOGAN: John Lennon theory. 78 00:04:23,464 --> 00:04:24,763 It's not possible heard of her?e never 79 00:04:24,765 --> 00:04:26,498 The fact of the matter is, 80 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:27,599 these people get accosted in the supermarket, 81 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:28,700 for crying out loud. 82 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:30,702 Phil, nobody's saying no. Okay? 83 00:04:30,704 --> 00:04:31,937 It's a possibility. 84 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:33,639 Now, what about the girl? 85 00:04:33,641 --> 00:04:34,906 Is she in any shape to talk to us? 86 00:04:34,908 --> 00:04:36,808 Barely breathing. 87 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:40,512 Get what you can without her then, okay? 88 00:04:40,514 --> 00:04:42,548 I'm on double shifts. 89 00:04:42,549 --> 00:04:44,583 These days, you got to take all the work you can get. 90 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:46,285 Do you have people hanging around for her? 91 00:04:46,287 --> 00:04:47,819 Fans? Autograph hounds? 92 00:04:47,821 --> 00:04:49,588 Five, six a year. 93 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:51,623 Miss Neven-- she keeps her address a secret. 94 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:52,758 MAN: Thank you. 95 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,527 She was almost killed on the show. 96 00:04:55,529 --> 00:04:57,529 Do you believe in destiny, karma, 97 00:04:57,531 --> 00:04:58,797 that kind of thing? 98 00:04:58,799 --> 00:05:00,666 She was mugged not on TV.k, 99 00:05:00,668 --> 00:05:02,701 Does she walk her dog on a schedule? 100 00:05:02,703 --> 00:05:05,737 10:00, every night. I give Roxy a biscuit as they go out. 101 00:05:05,739 --> 00:05:06,872 Does Miss Neven have a busy social life? 102 00:05:06,874 --> 00:05:08,774 A good-looking lady like that? 103 00:05:08,776 --> 00:05:11,076 My aunt gets more action; she's 60. 104 00:05:13,347 --> 00:05:16,682 They had to write her out of the show. 105 00:05:16,684 --> 00:05:20,585 My mother thinks Lucy is so glamorous. 106 00:05:20,587 --> 00:05:22,721 I've got it easy being her secretary. 107 00:05:22,723 --> 00:05:25,324 She has to work 12 hours a day. 108 00:05:25,326 --> 00:05:26,958 She have time to make enemies? 109 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,361 She's up at 5:30; she's at the studio by 7:00. 110 00:05:29,363 --> 00:05:30,595 She gets home, 111 00:05:30,597 --> 00:05:32,731 she's too tired to brush her teeth. 112 00:05:32,733 --> 00:05:34,066 That's hardly time for friends, 113 00:05:34,068 --> 00:05:35,600 let alone enemies. 114 00:05:35,602 --> 00:05:36,935 Could you tell us if anything 115 00:05:36,937 --> 00:05:39,905 she'd have with her is missing? 116 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:49,681 A ring, her... grandmother's wedding band, 117 00:05:49,683 --> 00:05:53,618 and a medal-- her father gave it to her. 118 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:55,053 St. Genesius. 119 00:05:55,055 --> 00:05:56,121 St. Genesius. That's..? 120 00:05:56,123 --> 00:05:58,924 WOMAN: The patron saint of actors. 121 00:05:58,926 --> 00:06:00,625 But why take that? 122 00:06:00,627 --> 00:06:02,794 They didn't take the money; that's crazy. 123 00:06:02,796 --> 00:06:06,064 Do you get requests from people who ask for things like that? 124 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:07,733 I sort them-- 125 00:06:08,669 --> 00:06:12,938 weird, weirder, weirdest. 126 00:06:12,940 --> 00:06:15,407 These are just the past three months. 127 00:06:16,944 --> 00:06:20,879 "I cannot live with the idea that you are angry with me." 128 00:06:20,881 --> 00:06:23,148 "I know you would love my daughter." 129 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:26,685 "I didn't like it when you wouldn't talk to us." 130 00:06:26,687 --> 00:06:28,687 A woman broke Lucy's skull? No. 131 00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:29,955 Pardon me, Dr. Freud. 132 00:06:29,957 --> 00:06:32,591 Women don't get angry and violent? 133 00:06:32,593 --> 00:06:35,093 I hope her mail is more interesting than mine. 134 00:06:35,095 --> 00:06:37,696 No contest. These should be postmarked "Bellevue." 135 00:06:37,698 --> 00:06:40,699 We have three solid cuckoos in town-- one in Atlanta, 136 00:06:40,701 --> 00:06:42,701 two in St. Louis, three in L.A., 137 00:06:42,703 --> 00:06:43,969 and one in Denver. 138 00:06:43,971 --> 00:06:45,537 Had to be local. 139 00:06:45,538 --> 00:06:47,104 Stalked her, knew when she walked the dog. 140 00:06:47,107 --> 00:06:49,674 Still, I'll check the out-of-town alibis. 141 00:06:49,676 --> 00:06:51,410 You guys knock on doors. 142 00:06:51,412 --> 00:06:54,713 First we get fettuccini, then knock on doors. 143 00:06:54,715 --> 00:06:55,881 ( knocking ) 144 00:06:55,883 --> 00:06:57,149 Hello? 145 00:06:57,151 --> 00:06:58,784 Mr. Wadsworth? 146 00:06:58,786 --> 00:06:59,885 MAN: Who's asking? 147 00:06:59,887 --> 00:07:00,952 Police. 148 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:06,691 We're looking for nominations for Citizen of the Week, sir. 149 00:07:06,693 --> 00:07:09,694 I'm Mr. Wadsworth. 150 00:07:09,695 --> 00:07:12,696 And there's not a person on this damn block worth nominating. 151 00:07:12,699 --> 00:07:16,668 Yes, and you're not the first one to say so, sir. 152 00:07:16,670 --> 00:07:19,338 I wrote her letters. 153 00:07:19,339 --> 00:07:22,007 She said in lots of interviews that she likes to get them. 154 00:07:22,009 --> 00:07:23,675 If you could tell us 155 00:07:23,677 --> 00:07:25,710 where you were at 10:00 or 11:00? 156 00:07:25,712 --> 00:07:27,679 My girlfriend's apartment, 157 00:07:27,681 --> 00:07:29,681 and then I got home... 158 00:07:29,683 --> 00:07:32,083 um, I don't know... Dad? 159 00:07:32,085 --> 00:07:35,954 Oh, I got home from the office at 9:00. 160 00:07:35,956 --> 00:07:38,123 Jesse got home... 161 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:39,691 What, Jesse? 10:00? 162 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:41,159 Yeah, I think so. 163 00:07:41,161 --> 00:07:44,863 Ah, Olivia, our housekeeper, she'd remember. 164 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:50,502 Olivia? 165 00:07:57,778 --> 00:08:00,512 Olivia, Thursday night-- 166 00:08:00,514 --> 00:08:03,682 what time did Jesse get home? 167 00:08:03,684 --> 00:08:06,051 Around 10:30. 168 00:08:06,053 --> 00:08:10,188 I was watching the news-- channel nine. 169 00:08:10,190 --> 00:08:11,723 Thank you. 170 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:14,926 The biggest soap convention of the year. 171 00:08:14,928 --> 00:08:16,194 I wouldn't miss that. 172 00:08:16,196 --> 00:08:17,529 I was there Thursday morning 173 00:08:17,531 --> 00:08:20,198 to be there before the good stuff got sold. 174 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,933 That's dedication for you. 175 00:08:21,935 --> 00:08:25,203 That comb-- only $60. 176 00:08:25,205 --> 00:08:27,372 Delia was using it 177 00:08:27,373 --> 00:08:29,540 when she told Joel she wouldn't marry him. 178 00:08:29,543 --> 00:08:31,209 She's too good for him. 179 00:08:31,211 --> 00:08:33,578 All the people there-- 180 00:08:33,579 --> 00:08:35,946 maybe some dealers or somebody might remember you? 181 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:37,949 Oh, I don't know. 182 00:08:37,951 --> 00:08:39,818 There were 6,000 people. 183 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:41,953 Oh, I took the shuttle back. 184 00:08:41,955 --> 00:08:43,522 I threw out the ticket. 185 00:08:43,524 --> 00:08:45,557 I think it's right here. 186 00:09:07,114 --> 00:09:09,080 Was he taller than you? 187 00:09:09,082 --> 00:09:10,782 Or the same height? 188 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:14,286 LOGAN: Taller. 189 00:09:14,288 --> 00:09:16,321 You got a good look at him? 190 00:09:19,326 --> 00:09:21,226 ARTIST: He was dark? 191 00:09:21,228 --> 00:09:23,595 He had a dark complexion? 192 00:09:30,804 --> 00:09:33,338 CERRETA: Is this the best you can do? 193 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:35,206 With a woman who can't talk? 194 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:37,943 She's good for 15 minutes at a stretch. 195 00:09:37,945 --> 00:09:39,578 Thanks anyway. 196 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,212 You got the staff list of the soap? Yeah. 197 00:09:41,214 --> 00:09:44,816 Maybe someone was hanging around that door bothering her. 198 00:09:44,818 --> 00:09:46,084 It's worth a shot. 199 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:49,321 To me, they all look the same-- 200 00:09:49,323 --> 00:09:53,224 autograph pads, sparkly pens with big white balls on top. 201 00:09:53,226 --> 00:09:54,626 They line up outside. 202 00:09:54,628 --> 00:09:56,227 They can be difficult. 203 00:09:56,229 --> 00:09:59,297 Maybe Miss Neven made one of her fans angry? 204 00:09:59,299 --> 00:10:00,932 She was very gracious. 205 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:02,067 More than me. 206 00:10:02,069 --> 00:10:03,301 The end of a day, I want to get home. 207 00:10:03,303 --> 00:10:05,170 I got a two-year-old kid. 208 00:10:05,171 --> 00:10:07,038 Did Lucy get close to anybody on the crew? 209 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,307 I guess Sara was the closest. 210 00:10:09,309 --> 00:10:11,309 CERRETA: "Was"? 211 00:10:11,311 --> 00:10:12,911 Lucy had her fired. 212 00:10:12,913 --> 00:10:14,913 Something about stuff missing. 213 00:10:14,915 --> 00:10:17,182 You mean, she was stealing? 214 00:10:17,184 --> 00:10:18,316 Sara said no. 215 00:10:18,318 --> 00:10:19,651 I like her, 216 00:10:19,653 --> 00:10:22,320 but she didn't file a union grievance 217 00:10:22,322 --> 00:10:23,922 when she got canned. 218 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:26,191 Did she have the right to file one? 219 00:10:26,193 --> 00:10:29,194 Lucy was probably right. 220 00:10:29,196 --> 00:10:31,329 I got her another job-- costume house. 221 00:10:31,331 --> 00:10:35,200 They supply us, other shows. 222 00:10:35,202 --> 00:10:37,369 I'd heard of Lucy turning on people, 223 00:10:37,371 --> 00:10:39,304 but I thought we got along. 224 00:10:39,306 --> 00:10:41,306 Must have done wonders for your reputation. 225 00:10:41,308 --> 00:10:42,907 I'm happy to have a job. 226 00:10:42,909 --> 00:10:44,643 CERRETA: Why didn't you tell your union? 227 00:10:44,645 --> 00:10:45,910 I did. 228 00:10:45,912 --> 00:10:47,178 I did. 229 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:49,014 You think we didn't check? 230 00:10:49,016 --> 00:10:50,882 I'll put you on the phone with your shop steward. 231 00:10:50,884 --> 00:10:53,685 You know what they do with old costumes? 232 00:10:53,687 --> 00:10:55,353 Actors take them home. 233 00:10:55,355 --> 00:10:57,956 A guy corners me outside the studio, 234 00:10:57,958 --> 00:11:00,358 hands me 200-- anything of Lucy's. 235 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Who would it hurt? 236 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:03,912 What the hell's that? 237 00:11:03,913 --> 00:11:05,663 Thou shalt not steal, except when nobody gets hurt? 238 00:11:05,666 --> 00:11:07,065 I needed the money. 239 00:11:07,067 --> 00:11:09,934 But then he started wanting slips, bras... 240 00:11:09,936 --> 00:11:12,337 that stuff doesn't belong to wardrobe. 241 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:14,205 That's a fine distinction. 242 00:11:14,207 --> 00:11:15,974 Who was your source of income? 243 00:11:15,976 --> 00:11:18,943 Mitchell Burkitt-- down on the Lower Eastside somewhere. 244 00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:20,979 What'd he do with Lucy's underwear? 245 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:24,382 I really didn't want to know. 246 00:11:24,384 --> 00:11:26,451 Burkitt, Michael W.-- 247 00:11:26,453 --> 00:11:29,354 criminal trespass two, burglary three. 248 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:30,388 What does he like? 249 00:11:30,390 --> 00:11:32,924 Soap opera studios, movie locations. 250 00:11:32,926 --> 00:11:35,427 Also assaulted a guard who tried to stop him. 251 00:11:35,429 --> 00:11:37,195 His supplier gets canned, 252 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:38,930 no more underwear to sell. 253 00:11:38,932 --> 00:11:41,199 A ring and a medal-- bigger bucks. 254 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:42,434 Draw some arrest papers. 255 00:11:42,436 --> 00:11:44,202 Phil, we're not even pregnant yet. 256 00:11:44,204 --> 00:11:45,336 Assault record? 257 00:11:45,338 --> 00:11:47,338 I want to be prepared. 258 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:50,075 ( loud music playing ) 259 00:11:50,077 --> 00:11:52,410 ( whispering: ) The stereo's on. 260 00:11:52,412 --> 00:11:54,079 He's at home. 261 00:12:02,289 --> 00:12:03,988 MAN: Who is it? 262 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:07,125 Con Ed-- checking for a gas leak! 263 00:12:09,196 --> 00:12:10,228 Drop it! 264 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,197 Don't even think about it, Mitch! 265 00:12:12,199 --> 00:12:14,165 Now! 266 00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:17,302 You are under arrest for the attempted murder 267 00:12:17,304 --> 00:12:18,303 of Lucy Neven. 268 00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:20,305 Why didn't you say you were cops? 269 00:12:20,307 --> 00:12:22,307 You have the right to remain silent... 270 00:12:22,309 --> 00:12:24,342 You didn't say you were cops! 271 00:12:26,847 --> 00:12:28,397 In my neighborhood, man, 272 00:12:28,398 --> 00:12:29,948 you wouldn't answer my door without a gun. 273 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:32,050 Next time, get one that's licensed. 274 00:12:32,052 --> 00:12:33,952 I didn't do the lady. 275 00:12:33,954 --> 00:12:35,954 What, do you think I'm crazy? 276 00:12:35,956 --> 00:12:38,823 Actually, you're about the sanest person 277 00:12:38,825 --> 00:12:39,991 we've met all week. 278 00:12:39,993 --> 00:12:42,293 Why would I do her, huh? 279 00:12:42,295 --> 00:12:43,862 She's a cash cow. 280 00:12:43,864 --> 00:12:45,997 I survive on her stuff. 281 00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:49,000 Not since you lost your source. 282 00:12:49,002 --> 00:12:54,539 So, Mr. Burkitt, where were you Thursday night? 283 00:12:54,541 --> 00:12:56,875 I was alone. 284 00:12:56,877 --> 00:12:58,409 Prove I wasn't. 285 00:12:58,411 --> 00:13:00,411 Prove you were! 286 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:03,948 Your Lucy stuff-- who buys it? 287 00:13:03,950 --> 00:13:05,917 Kleinman, down on 15th Street. 288 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:06,951 I want a lawyer. 289 00:13:06,953 --> 00:13:08,419 You'll get a lawyer. 290 00:13:08,421 --> 00:13:10,321 I'll even pay for the call. 291 00:13:10,323 --> 00:13:13,992 Don't ever say cops aren't generous. 292 00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:16,327 You want stills from South Pacific? 293 00:13:16,329 --> 00:13:18,029 Mitzi Gaynor's shoes? Fine. 294 00:13:18,031 --> 00:13:20,165 LOGAN: Not Lucy Neven's underwear? 295 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:21,966 Do I look like a pervert? 296 00:13:21,968 --> 00:13:24,536 Who buys Lucy's clothes? 297 00:13:24,538 --> 00:13:26,571 Customer's names-- it's private. 298 00:13:26,573 --> 00:13:28,106 Did you give Burkitt an order 299 00:13:28,108 --> 00:13:29,908 to steal Lucy's jewelry? 300 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:30,992 I sell memorabilia. 301 00:13:30,993 --> 00:13:32,075 You think this is a hot car business? 302 00:13:32,078 --> 00:13:34,179 Give me an order, I get it stolen? 303 00:13:34,181 --> 00:13:36,848 Suppose we get a warrant, Mr. Kleinman, 304 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:38,917 and we do an inventory? 305 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:40,451 Think we'll find stolen goods? 306 00:13:40,453 --> 00:13:42,453 From a soap opera studio maybe? 307 00:13:42,455 --> 00:13:43,988 I'd never accept... 308 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:46,925 You want us to start checking? 309 00:13:46,927 --> 00:13:49,861 You're starting to make me a little impatient. 310 00:13:49,863 --> 00:13:51,863 Voorman. 311 00:13:51,865 --> 00:13:53,865 Tim Voorman. 312 00:13:53,867 --> 00:13:56,000 He works at the Club Vivant. 313 00:13:56,002 --> 00:13:58,102 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, Tim Voorman. 314 00:13:58,104 --> 00:13:59,604 CERRETA: Mr. Voorman? 315 00:13:59,606 --> 00:14:01,840 Sergeant Cerreta, Detective Logan. 316 00:14:01,842 --> 00:14:05,143 Very impressive. 317 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:08,445 Louie Kleinman says you ordered Lucy Neven's intimate apparel. 318 00:14:08,448 --> 00:14:11,916 You think I was involved with... 319 00:14:11,918 --> 00:14:14,953 Yeah, well, I also ordered Joan Collins's costumes. 320 00:14:14,955 --> 00:14:17,088 They help me get into character. 321 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:18,556 And they fit you? 322 00:14:18,558 --> 00:14:21,209 Well, I'm very petite. 323 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:23,861 Mr. Voorman, Thursday night, did you take a walk in the park? 324 00:14:23,864 --> 00:14:25,430 I don't believe this. 325 00:14:25,432 --> 00:14:26,431 I was here. 326 00:14:26,433 --> 00:14:28,533 Two shows-- 8:00 and 10:00. 327 00:14:32,873 --> 00:14:35,640 You happen to leave between shows? 328 00:14:35,642 --> 00:14:38,109 Do you have any idea how long it takes 329 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:39,510 to put on this face? 330 00:14:39,512 --> 00:14:41,646 And contrary to what you might think, 331 00:14:41,648 --> 00:14:44,182 I don't go out in public in drag. 332 00:14:44,184 --> 00:14:45,650 I do this for a living. 333 00:14:45,652 --> 00:14:47,118 CERRETA: This isn't your stage act, 334 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,519 so you can pack in the attitude. 335 00:14:48,521 --> 00:14:50,588 Do you have any witnesses who saw you here? 336 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:54,125 What's the mystery? 337 00:14:54,127 --> 00:14:55,660 I got a guy from Jersey 338 00:14:55,662 --> 00:14:58,663 who sees my Lucy act six nights a week. 339 00:14:58,665 --> 00:15:01,065 One guy, he wants to talk with Lucy 340 00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:03,101 about the plot on the show. 341 00:15:03,103 --> 00:15:05,570 Another one, a real weirdo, 342 00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:06,671 buys my Lucy dress. 343 00:15:06,673 --> 00:15:08,072 Who attacked her? 344 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:09,073 One of them. 345 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:10,575 Who bought the dress? 346 00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:12,510 Out of his mind. 347 00:15:12,512 --> 00:15:13,678 He loved Lucy. 348 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,280 He wanted to be with her. 349 00:15:15,282 --> 00:15:16,681 Offers 250. 350 00:15:16,683 --> 00:15:18,283 I thought he was kidding. 351 00:15:18,285 --> 00:15:19,684 500-- I said no. 352 00:15:19,686 --> 00:15:21,019 1,000... 353 00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:23,488 I didn't want to sell it, but... 354 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:25,089 he scared me a little. 355 00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:26,557 You got the name? 356 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:29,494 He didn't ask for a receipt. 357 00:15:29,496 --> 00:15:31,663 Mr. Webster? Hi. 358 00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:34,532 This is Joe Harris from the Club Vivant. 359 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:36,034 Mr. Nichols? 360 00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:37,702 Sam Jones, the Club Vivant. 361 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:40,204 Mr. Voorman... he'd like to buy back 362 00:15:40,206 --> 00:15:41,706 that dress he sold you. 363 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:44,175 The dress you bought from Tim Voorman... 364 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:45,944 Okay. Sorry. 365 00:15:45,946 --> 00:15:47,278 Thank you. 366 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,613 Sorry to bother you. 367 00:15:48,615 --> 00:15:50,615 We thought the letters were bad. 368 00:15:50,617 --> 00:15:52,016 They're worse 369 00:15:52,018 --> 00:15:53,151 in person. 370 00:15:53,153 --> 00:15:55,053 Hello? Jesse Unger, please. 371 00:15:55,055 --> 00:15:57,722 Could you give me his work number then? 372 00:15:57,724 --> 00:15:59,223 Thank you. 373 00:15:59,225 --> 00:16:00,658 Mr. Markson? Hi. 374 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:03,728 This is Sam Jones from the Club Vivant. 375 00:16:03,730 --> 00:16:05,697 Mr. Unger? Yeah, I'll wait. 376 00:16:05,699 --> 00:16:08,733 That Lucy Neven dress you bought from Tim Voorman? 377 00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:11,569 Well, he would like... 378 00:16:11,571 --> 00:16:12,737 Sorry to bother you. 379 00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:14,172 Mr. Unger? 380 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:16,708 Yeah, this is Joe Harris, Club Vivant. 381 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:19,610 You know, Mr. Voorman would like to buy back 382 00:16:19,612 --> 00:16:21,012 his Lucy Neven dress. 383 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:22,146 Uh-huh. 384 00:16:22,148 --> 00:16:23,247 Oh. Yeah. 385 00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,615 Well, certainly. 386 00:16:24,617 --> 00:16:25,717 Well, thank you. 387 00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:30,722 Mr. Unger wants to keep his dress. 388 00:16:30,724 --> 00:16:33,624 Really? 389 00:16:33,626 --> 00:16:34,592 I can't stop. 390 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:36,728 This has to be done by tonight. 391 00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:38,663 LOGAN: Did you buy the dress? 392 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:40,631 Yes, I did-- for my collection. 393 00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:43,735 I needed something special. 394 00:16:43,737 --> 00:16:46,037 Terrible, Lucy dying, hmm? 395 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:47,705 Oh, Lucy didn't die, Jesse. 396 00:16:47,707 --> 00:16:49,007 No. On the show. 397 00:16:49,009 --> 00:16:50,775 They had to get rid of her. 398 00:16:50,777 --> 00:16:52,610 Thursday night, at your girlfriend's-- 399 00:16:52,612 --> 00:16:54,645 what time did you leave? 400 00:16:54,647 --> 00:16:56,647 I already told you. 401 00:16:56,649 --> 00:16:57,749 About 10:00. 402 00:16:57,751 --> 00:17:01,686 Is your girlfriend Sandy at home today? 403 00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,287 No, she's not. 404 00:17:03,289 --> 00:17:04,689 She's working. 405 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:06,657 You've got the wrong idea. 406 00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:09,260 Jesse is Lucy's scrapbook. 407 00:17:09,262 --> 00:17:10,695 It's a hobby. 408 00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:13,664 LOGAN: Does that include buying her dress? 409 00:17:13,666 --> 00:17:15,666 You don't understand. 410 00:17:15,668 --> 00:17:18,403 Well, you'll think I'm crazy. 411 00:17:18,405 --> 00:17:20,671 We went to a Tina Turner concert-- 412 00:17:20,673 --> 00:17:22,140 Jess and me-- 413 00:17:22,142 --> 00:17:23,574 I wanted her autograph. 414 00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:25,676 We waited in the cold two hours. 415 00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:27,812 But an autograph is not a dress. 416 00:17:27,814 --> 00:17:30,081 Lucy, to me she's boring. 417 00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:31,349 So what? 418 00:17:31,351 --> 00:17:33,651 Jesse doesn't like Tina Turner. 419 00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:36,621 I mean, didn't you ever collect anybody? 420 00:17:36,623 --> 00:17:39,257 My wife has a lot of Rosemary Clooney records. 421 00:17:39,259 --> 00:17:40,258 Who? 422 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:41,659 LOGAN: Miss Reynolds, 423 00:17:41,661 --> 00:17:43,694 Mr. Unger left at 10:00 p.m.? 424 00:17:43,696 --> 00:17:46,264 What you're thinking about Jesse, it couldn't be. 425 00:17:46,266 --> 00:17:48,433 Look, are you sure about the time? 426 00:17:48,435 --> 00:17:50,735 It might have been earlier. 427 00:17:50,737 --> 00:17:52,437 Maybe a quarter of. 428 00:17:52,439 --> 00:17:55,640 Um, we had an argument. 429 00:17:55,642 --> 00:17:58,443 He wanted me to try the dress on. 430 00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:01,179 I didn't think it was right. 431 00:18:01,181 --> 00:18:03,281 Quarter to 10:00? 10:00? Come on. 432 00:18:03,283 --> 00:18:05,249 15 minutes makes a difference? 433 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,419 15 minutes gives him more time to get to Lucy's. 434 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:10,288 Sandy's on 97th Street. 435 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:14,292 Jesse's home, 57th Street, 30 to 45 minutes later. 436 00:18:14,294 --> 00:18:17,161 And Lucy lives in between at 65th Street. 437 00:18:17,163 --> 00:18:20,698 It's enough time, barely, if he knew when Lucy walked the dog. 438 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:23,201 He stopped at Lucy's on his way home to what? 439 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:24,702 Talk to her? 440 00:18:24,704 --> 00:18:25,770 Hey, you're the one who talked to him. 441 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,371 He look goofy to you? 442 00:18:27,373 --> 00:18:30,108 Seemed fine, but who can tell anymore? 443 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,876 31 years old, he still lives at Daddy's. 444 00:18:31,878 --> 00:18:33,277 Also, he sprang 445 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:35,646 for 1,000 bucks to buy Lucy's dress. 446 00:18:35,648 --> 00:18:38,349 What about his arrival time at home? 447 00:18:38,351 --> 00:18:40,284 How solid is that alibi? 448 00:18:42,422 --> 00:18:45,823 I have friends in the fashion world. 449 00:18:45,825 --> 00:18:48,493 Is something wrong with that? 450 00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:50,428 You got your son his job. 451 00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:53,498 I arranged an interview, they offered him the job. 452 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:54,899 The woman's dress. 453 00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:56,467 That's $1,000. 454 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:59,904 Your son can afford that on the job he has? 455 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:01,439 Jesse's interests-- 456 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:04,909 he doesn't have to be like everybody else. 457 00:19:04,911 --> 00:19:08,479 Following an actress's career-- it's harmless. 458 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:10,281 Up to a point. 459 00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:11,749 Mr. Unger, 460 00:19:11,751 --> 00:19:13,217 when Jesse arrived home, 461 00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:14,919 your housekeeper said it was 10:30. 462 00:19:14,921 --> 00:19:15,920 You said 10:00. 463 00:19:15,922 --> 00:19:18,456 My son has problems. 464 00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:21,526 Violence is not one of them. 465 00:19:21,528 --> 00:19:22,527 Sandy was upset. 466 00:19:22,529 --> 00:19:23,928 The dress-- 467 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:27,298 I wanted to see, if she has such a good figure, 468 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:28,699 how she'd look in it. 469 00:19:28,701 --> 00:19:30,701 CERRETA: We can clear this up. 470 00:19:30,703 --> 00:19:32,537 You left Sandy's apartment at 10:00? 471 00:19:32,539 --> 00:19:33,504 Mm-hmm. 472 00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:34,805 How'd you get home? 473 00:19:34,807 --> 00:19:35,940 I walked. 474 00:19:35,942 --> 00:19:38,543 40 blocks in a half an hour? 475 00:19:38,545 --> 00:19:40,444 You must be a marathon walker. 476 00:19:40,446 --> 00:19:42,813 Maybe I took a cab. 477 00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:44,282 Well, you know what we ought to do? 478 00:19:44,284 --> 00:19:45,950 We ought to go down to the precinct. 479 00:19:45,952 --> 00:19:47,518 We'll talk the whole thing over. 480 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,489 We'll call the cab company, get the whole thing settled. 481 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:54,425 Um... 482 00:19:54,427 --> 00:19:55,526 Okay, fine. 483 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:56,527 Sure. 484 00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:57,428 Good. 485 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:59,964 Look, I'm sorry about Lucy. 486 00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:01,432 But hurting her? 487 00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:03,434 No. I loved watching her. 488 00:20:03,436 --> 00:20:05,836 I have a little television at work. 489 00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:09,574 We want to remind you that you're entitled to a lawyer. 490 00:20:09,576 --> 00:20:10,975 Sandy will tell you. 491 00:20:10,977 --> 00:20:13,978 Olivia, she said that I came home at 10:30. 492 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:15,813 I would never hurt Lucy. 493 00:20:15,815 --> 00:20:17,548 Will you excuse me? 494 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:26,490 He's in tooth fairy land and he's scared. 495 00:20:26,492 --> 00:20:29,527 The hospital says Lucy has some paralysis. 496 00:20:29,529 --> 00:20:31,395 She still has blurred vision, 497 00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:33,397 but they will bring her over. 498 00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:36,234 Do you think you can get this guy 499 00:20:36,236 --> 00:20:37,902 to volunteer for a lineup? 500 00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:39,470 I don't know. 501 00:20:39,472 --> 00:20:40,871 What if he won't? 502 00:20:40,873 --> 00:20:42,473 Heck if I know. 503 00:20:42,475 --> 00:20:43,541 Okay. 504 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:50,581 Jesse, would you like to be in a lineup? 505 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,985 If nobody identifies you, you go back to work. 506 00:20:53,987 --> 00:20:55,353 A lineup? 507 00:20:55,355 --> 00:20:56,520 For who? 508 00:20:56,522 --> 00:20:57,888 Lucy Neven. 509 00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:21,379 Take your time. 510 00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:23,047 There's no hurry. 511 00:21:32,659 --> 00:21:34,592 ( Neven gasping ) 512 00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:36,360 Oh, my God! 513 00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:38,929 That's... that's him. 514 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:43,367 He stopped me on the street a couple of times. 515 00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:44,535 Which one is he? 516 00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:45,536 Hmm? 517 00:21:45,538 --> 00:21:50,074 It's number four. 518 00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:52,576 He said that he needed me. 519 00:21:54,447 --> 00:21:56,447 Let's get the video camera. 520 00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:59,317 One more shot at him and he's going to talk. 521 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:00,551 Yeah. 522 00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:03,988 Your dad will be here soon. 523 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:06,390 You don't have to talk now. 524 00:22:06,392 --> 00:22:07,625 Was Lucy here? 525 00:22:07,627 --> 00:22:10,695 She says she saw you that night. 526 00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:17,635 ( knocking ) 527 00:22:25,445 --> 00:22:28,512 Had these on him when he was booked. 528 00:22:41,427 --> 00:22:43,427 Lucy's ring, Jesse. 529 00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:51,469 Her medal. 530 00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:58,376 Where did you get these? 531 00:23:00,446 --> 00:23:02,913 She wouldn't listen. 532 00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:05,549 I just wanted to talk. 533 00:23:07,086 --> 00:23:09,987 She told me to leave her alone. 534 00:23:09,989 --> 00:23:12,723 I didn't want to hurt her. 535 00:23:12,725 --> 00:23:14,692 God, her eyes! 536 00:23:16,496 --> 00:23:19,930 If you saw her eyes. 537 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:23,467 She walked right by me. 538 00:23:23,469 --> 00:23:26,437 She didn't say anything. 539 00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:30,508 I tried to tell her how I need her. 540 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:33,577 I didn't want to hurt her. 541 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:40,684 She just got tangled up in her dog leash, 542 00:23:40,686 --> 00:23:43,120 and I went to help her, 543 00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:45,723 and she started hitting at me, 544 00:23:45,725 --> 00:23:48,426 and the dog was barking, 545 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:52,997 and I just wanted to talk to her. 546 00:23:52,999 --> 00:23:54,465 That's all. 547 00:23:54,467 --> 00:23:56,467 I just wanted to talk to her. 548 00:23:58,438 --> 00:24:01,539 OLIVET: How long have you been aware of Lucy Neven? 549 00:24:01,541 --> 00:24:03,974 JESSE: Ever since I can remember. 550 00:24:03,976 --> 00:24:05,075 Come on, Ben. 551 00:24:05,077 --> 00:24:06,977 You saw that tape. 552 00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:09,513 This guy's got toys in the attic. 553 00:24:09,515 --> 00:24:13,083 Is he competent enough to help you with his case? 554 00:24:13,085 --> 00:24:15,886 I guarantee you, he didn't know what he was doing. 555 00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:17,988 That's not the issue here. 556 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:19,957 Can he help you defend him? 557 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:22,059 Maybe, but he's still bonkers. 558 00:24:22,061 --> 00:24:24,161 He didn't know what he was doing when he attacked her. 559 00:24:24,163 --> 00:24:27,465 You don't know that, and neither do I. 560 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:30,067 Let's first see if he can stand trial. 561 00:24:30,069 --> 00:24:32,069 I've seen trials on TV. 562 00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,804 Lucy was in one. 563 00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:35,940 OLIVET: What happens at a trial? 564 00:24:35,942 --> 00:24:37,875 Why are you asking me that? 565 00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:40,244 We both know they decide if you're guilty. 566 00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:42,513 What does your lawyer do? 567 00:24:42,515 --> 00:24:45,816 He tries to defend me from... 568 00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:48,953 He keeps me from going to jail. 569 00:24:48,955 --> 00:24:51,789 Why would you go to jail, Jesse? 570 00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:54,124 Sorry, Dr. Olivet. Off-limits. 571 00:24:54,126 --> 00:24:56,527 I'm not asking about the crime, Dr. Mandel. 572 00:24:56,529 --> 00:24:59,897 I'm asking if he understands why people go to jail. 573 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:01,232 Because they break the law. 574 00:25:01,234 --> 00:25:03,601 Hurting somebody, is that breaking the law? 575 00:25:03,603 --> 00:25:06,270 These are stupid questions. 576 00:25:06,272 --> 00:25:08,272 Jesse, please... 577 00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:11,275 Is it wrong to hurt somebody? 578 00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:14,044 I just wanted to talk to her. 579 00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:16,247 That's all. 580 00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:20,818 STONE: what is the argument? 581 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:23,187 Mr. Unger understands the legal process. 582 00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:25,022 He babbled a confession. 583 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:26,924 That doesn't give you a problem? 584 00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:28,125 He was frightened; that does not mean 585 00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:30,027 he's not competent to stand trial. 586 00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:32,229 He does not understand the criminal justice system. 587 00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:33,931 He knows what a trial is. 588 00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:35,132 Hey, hey, this isn't a free-for-all. 589 00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:37,902 I ask the questions. 590 00:25:37,904 --> 00:25:39,603 You honestly contend, 591 00:25:39,605 --> 00:25:42,039 he can't give you pertinent facts? 592 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:45,042 Judge, he is suffering a neurotic denial, 593 00:25:45,044 --> 00:25:47,311 and it's hard to get any information 594 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:49,179 out of him at all. 595 00:25:49,181 --> 00:25:52,082 I'll read the doctors' reports again. 596 00:25:52,084 --> 00:25:54,952 Meantime, Mr. Unger stays at Rikers. 597 00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:58,589 MAN: Come on, Lucy, you can do it. 598 00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:00,324 Right to the end. 599 00:26:00,326 --> 00:26:03,060 Keep walking. 600 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,596 It's a piece of cake. 601 00:26:08,568 --> 00:26:11,635 STONE: They say if we go to trial, 602 00:26:11,637 --> 00:26:13,938 that you'll be able to testify. 603 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:15,306 It's your choice. 604 00:26:15,308 --> 00:26:17,641 Don't force yourself, honey. 605 00:26:17,643 --> 00:26:24,949 ( raspy-voiced: ) I'll testify if I have to crawl into the courtroom. 606 00:26:24,951 --> 00:26:26,951 He came after me before. 607 00:26:26,953 --> 00:26:29,353 He called the house several times. 608 00:26:29,355 --> 00:26:31,689 Somehow, he got the number. 609 00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:33,958 If he doesn't go to jail... 610 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,026 ( violent coughing ) 611 00:26:51,677 --> 00:26:53,143 Lucy... 612 00:26:53,145 --> 00:26:57,681 I'll do everything I can to make sure that never happens. 613 00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:02,353 Schreiber says we can indict him. 614 00:27:02,355 --> 00:27:05,055 He's competent to stand trial. 615 00:27:07,893 --> 00:27:09,994 Does that serve justice? 616 00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:12,162 Jesse Unger on trial? In prison? 617 00:27:12,164 --> 00:27:14,898 If he's responsible for his actions, 618 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,067 yes, I think justice is served. 619 00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:18,969 Mr. Stone, my son, 620 00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:21,705 after he lost his mother... 621 00:27:21,707 --> 00:27:23,340 you can't imagine. 622 00:27:23,342 --> 00:27:25,342 I tried to help him. 623 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:27,911 Why didn't you seek professional help? 624 00:27:27,913 --> 00:27:30,114 He's not like other people. 625 00:27:30,116 --> 00:27:32,416 He never seemed dangerous. 626 00:27:32,418 --> 00:27:35,686 Jack, it's your meeting. 627 00:27:35,688 --> 00:27:36,987 Reconsider going to trial, Ben. 628 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,922 Work out some kind of treatment for him. 629 00:27:38,924 --> 00:27:41,659 If they can protect Lucy Neven from him... 630 00:27:41,661 --> 00:27:43,127 You know that they can't. 631 00:27:43,129 --> 00:27:44,428 A jury can. 632 00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:46,430 All I've got to do 633 00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:50,167 is prove he was insane at the moment he attacked her. 634 00:27:50,169 --> 00:27:52,770 Not a second before, not a second after. 635 00:27:52,772 --> 00:27:56,206 I've tried a lot of these cases, Ben; you haven't. 636 00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,976 I'm a quick study. 637 00:27:58,978 --> 00:28:00,978 Why is Gaffney so confident? 638 00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:03,313 Insanity defenses are not easy to win. 639 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,049 Olivet will testify he's not delusional. 640 00:28:05,051 --> 00:28:06,984 What more can we do? 641 00:28:06,986 --> 00:28:08,986 "Delusional"-- fancy word. 642 00:28:08,988 --> 00:28:12,122 You might as well say "subordinated debenture." 643 00:28:12,124 --> 00:28:15,025 A jury knows crazy and not crazy, Paul. 644 00:28:15,027 --> 00:28:17,394 They don't know legally crazy. 645 00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:20,030 You know what really worries me-- 646 00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:22,332 I make my best case to prove he's sane. 647 00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:23,801 We lose. 648 00:28:23,803 --> 00:28:26,070 He goes to a hospital. 649 00:28:26,072 --> 00:28:28,005 I have to turn 180° 650 00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:31,008 and argue he is not sane so they keep him there. 651 00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:32,409 It's no-win. 652 00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:34,378 Maybe we make a deal-- assault. 653 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:37,247 for a couple of years-- Bad risk-- he goes away 654 00:28:37,249 --> 00:28:40,984 as soon as he gets out, he could kill that woman. 655 00:28:40,986 --> 00:28:43,053 ( phone buzzing ) 656 00:28:47,493 --> 00:28:49,760 Mm-hmm. 657 00:28:51,363 --> 00:28:53,097 Lucy Neven. 658 00:28:53,099 --> 00:28:55,099 Better talk to her. 659 00:28:55,101 --> 00:28:57,234 How could they let him mail it? 660 00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:59,403 Why didn't somebody stop him? 661 00:28:59,405 --> 00:29:01,338 "I never wanted to hurt you. 662 00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:03,140 "I had to bring you close. 663 00:29:03,142 --> 00:29:05,008 "We're the same person. 664 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:07,044 We'll always be close." 665 00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,747 I'm sorry. This shouldn't have happened. 666 00:29:09,749 --> 00:29:11,281 They put a watch 667 00:29:11,283 --> 00:29:13,117 on his mail today. 668 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,753 He said we're the same person. 669 00:29:15,755 --> 00:29:18,122 He sounds crazier than ever. 670 00:29:18,124 --> 00:29:19,823 He's shrewder than ever. 671 00:29:19,825 --> 00:29:21,325 He wants to sound crazy. 672 00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:24,394 Do we have to turn this over to Gaffney? 673 00:29:24,396 --> 00:29:28,265 STONE: We don't turn it over, he'll get a subpoena. 674 00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:31,034 Jesse will tell him he sent the letter. 675 00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:34,037 They're going to use it to show how crazy he is. 676 00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:35,839 That's what he wants. 677 00:29:37,409 --> 00:29:39,543 And after reading a report 678 00:29:39,545 --> 00:29:41,278 of his personal history? 679 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,080 I examined Mr. Unger. 680 00:29:43,082 --> 00:29:45,482 Did you reach any conclusions about his mental condition? 681 00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:47,451 Yes, I have. 682 00:29:47,453 --> 00:29:50,788 Mr. Unger has personality and character disorders. 683 00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:52,790 He's obsessive-compulsive, 684 00:29:52,792 --> 00:29:54,892 with signs of extreme depression. 685 00:29:54,894 --> 00:29:57,561 Does this mean he is incapable of understanding 686 00:29:57,563 --> 00:30:00,063 the consequences of his actions? 687 00:30:00,065 --> 00:30:04,468 No. It means he's unhappy, and in some ways dysfunctional. 688 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:06,520 In your expert opinion, 689 00:30:06,521 --> 00:30:08,571 does Mr. Unger suffer from any condition that would impair 690 00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:11,175 his ability to know right from wrong? 691 00:30:11,177 --> 00:30:12,876 Despite his emotional problems, 692 00:30:12,878 --> 00:30:15,479 in my opinion, Mr. Unger has a complete understanding 693 00:30:15,481 --> 00:30:18,348 of the consequences of his actions. 694 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,918 Thank you. No further questions. 695 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,586 Dr. Olivet, 696 00:30:22,588 --> 00:30:27,457 you spent three hours talking to Mr. Unger. 697 00:30:27,459 --> 00:30:30,394 Do you think that's sufficient time 698 00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:33,463 to make a judgment on his mental health? 699 00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:34,464 Yes, I do. 700 00:30:34,466 --> 00:30:36,533 Admirable. 701 00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:40,871 So, you are telling this court with absolute assurance 702 00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:44,208 that Mr. Unger did not have an episode 703 00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:46,210 in which he did not know 704 00:30:46,212 --> 00:30:48,512 the consequences of his behavior. 705 00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:52,349 In my opinion, Mr. Unger knows right from wrong. 706 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:55,352 He told me he'd been watching me 707 00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:58,222 because he knew I would... 708 00:30:58,224 --> 00:31:02,226 I would love him if only I met him. 709 00:31:02,228 --> 00:31:06,330 He was very excited, 710 00:31:06,332 --> 00:31:10,367 so I tried to keep him calm, 711 00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:13,503 and then I tried to get away. 712 00:31:13,505 --> 00:31:15,873 He told me to stop, 713 00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:17,875 and when I didn't, 714 00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:19,943 he attacked me. 715 00:31:22,147 --> 00:31:24,648 Miss Neven, prior to this attack, 716 00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:28,151 had you ever seen the defendant before? 717 00:31:28,153 --> 00:31:31,989 He accosted me on the street several times. 718 00:31:31,991 --> 00:31:35,659 I don't remember how many. 719 00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:39,963 He told me that he had called me on the phone. 720 00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:42,165 What is your profession? 721 00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:45,903 I... I was an actress. 722 00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:47,671 You were an actress? 723 00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:51,608 You don't expect to be able to continue your career? 724 00:31:51,610 --> 00:31:53,210 Objection-- relevance. 725 00:31:53,212 --> 00:31:54,678 The extent of her injuries 726 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,514 is relevant to the attempted murder charge. 727 00:31:57,516 --> 00:31:59,549 Overruled. 728 00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:02,419 The witness will answer. 729 00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:06,023 I'll be happy if I'm able to walk. 730 00:32:08,527 --> 00:32:11,361 Thank you. No further questions. 731 00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:14,498 Mr. Gaffney? 732 00:32:22,942 --> 00:32:26,009 I have no questions of this witness. 733 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:30,447 Olivet was convincing. 734 00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:32,482 Convincing isn't the point. 735 00:32:32,484 --> 00:32:34,217 Did they understand? 736 00:32:34,219 --> 00:32:36,353 Crazy versus legally crazy. 737 00:32:44,997 --> 00:32:46,997 Voices, delusions... 738 00:32:46,999 --> 00:32:48,699 Convenient. 739 00:32:48,701 --> 00:32:52,436 The one illness that wins insanity defense. 740 00:32:52,438 --> 00:32:54,671 You read Mandel's transcript. 741 00:32:54,673 --> 00:32:57,274 Did Jesse talk about voices then? 742 00:32:57,276 --> 00:32:59,576 Mandel interviewed him again. 743 00:32:59,578 --> 00:33:01,311 Yeah, I wonder why. 744 00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,613 Gaffney-- would he coach his client? 745 00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:05,382 It's hard to believe. 746 00:33:05,384 --> 00:33:06,750 It's not his style. 747 00:33:06,752 --> 00:33:10,053 I'll tell you one voice Jesse Unger is hearing-- 748 00:33:10,055 --> 00:33:13,223 the voice telling him how not to get convicted. 749 00:33:14,059 --> 00:33:15,625 Listen to this: 750 00:33:15,627 --> 00:33:18,662 "Mandel: Why didn't you tell me you heard voices? 751 00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:21,131 "Jesse: The voice said not to. 752 00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:22,599 My father said I should." 753 00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:25,168 "My father said I should." 754 00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:28,138 Your interviews-- no voices? 755 00:33:29,174 --> 00:33:30,374 Is he delusional? 756 00:33:30,376 --> 00:33:32,709 Am I 100% sure? 757 00:33:32,711 --> 00:33:34,177 99. 758 00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:35,779 I'd prefer 100. 759 00:33:35,781 --> 00:33:37,965 Never happens. 760 00:33:37,966 --> 00:33:40,150 Somebody told dad what would get Jesse off. 761 00:33:40,152 --> 00:33:42,119 Dad told Jesse. 762 00:33:42,121 --> 00:33:44,688 Voices are a very specific symptom. 763 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:45,689 Mandel. 764 00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:47,124 Intentionally? 765 00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,126 I doubt it. What about Gaffney? 766 00:33:49,128 --> 00:33:53,096 Paul read the transcripts of his other cases. 767 00:33:53,098 --> 00:33:55,032 But not all of them. 768 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:57,401 Well, dig up the ones you haven't read, 769 00:33:57,403 --> 00:34:01,171 and find out how crazy his other clients really were. 770 00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:05,175 After Jesse's mother died, 771 00:34:05,177 --> 00:34:08,045 he couldn't concentrate. 772 00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:10,747 He used to say he was going crazy. 773 00:34:10,749 --> 00:34:15,452 What was he most concerned about? 774 00:34:15,454 --> 00:34:18,321 He thought the world was going to blow up. 775 00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:21,124 What were some of his other problems? 776 00:34:23,062 --> 00:34:27,197 He said he heard voices in his head. 777 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,199 Like a radio. 778 00:34:29,201 --> 00:34:31,334 Thank you. 779 00:34:36,308 --> 00:34:38,375 Mr. Unger, 780 00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,677 when exactly 781 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,346 did Jesse tell you he heard voices? 782 00:34:43,348 --> 00:34:46,817 I think maybe in his sophomore year 783 00:34:46,819 --> 00:34:48,385 in high school. 784 00:34:48,387 --> 00:34:51,121 It could have been earlier, maybe later. 785 00:34:51,123 --> 00:34:52,756 I can't remember. 786 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:56,426 What did he say these voices told him? 787 00:34:58,831 --> 00:35:01,098 I can't remember. 788 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,867 You remember he heard voices. 789 00:35:03,869 --> 00:35:06,169 I do. Yes, I do. 790 00:35:06,171 --> 00:35:08,138 Did you seek 791 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:09,873 psychiatric care for your son 792 00:35:09,875 --> 00:35:11,208 at this time? 793 00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:15,846 No. 794 00:35:15,848 --> 00:35:17,414 Why not? 795 00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:19,850 Well... 796 00:35:19,852 --> 00:35:22,886 I'm not sure why I didn't. 797 00:35:22,888 --> 00:35:25,856 That's odd. 798 00:35:25,858 --> 00:35:28,158 Thank you. 799 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,129 Mr. Unger suffers from processive disintegration. 800 00:35:32,131 --> 00:35:35,899 One of the symptoms is "command" hallucinations-- 801 00:35:35,901 --> 00:35:38,401 voices telling him to do things. 802 00:35:38,403 --> 00:35:41,138 Now, Dr. Mandel, 803 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:46,143 Jesse Unger told you that he heard voices 804 00:35:46,145 --> 00:35:50,147 telling him to kill Lucy Neven. 805 00:35:50,149 --> 00:35:51,381 Would that mean 806 00:35:51,383 --> 00:35:53,850 he was out of control of his actions? 807 00:35:53,852 --> 00:35:55,886 In my opinion, yes. 808 00:35:55,888 --> 00:35:58,288 Mr. Unger is often guided 809 00:35:58,290 --> 00:36:00,490 by an overpowering voice 810 00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,259 he believes to be real. 811 00:36:02,261 --> 00:36:03,927 Thank you, Doctor. 812 00:36:07,399 --> 00:36:10,767 "Processive disintegration." 813 00:36:13,305 --> 00:36:17,174 Is that a recognized medical diagnosis? 814 00:36:17,176 --> 00:36:21,344 It's my language for a combination of disorders. 815 00:36:21,346 --> 00:36:24,447 So it does not exist in standard reference works? 816 00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:25,882 Yes, that's right. 817 00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:29,819 Now, you testified you interviewed Jesse twice. 818 00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:32,556 Did he mention hearing voices in the first interview? 819 00:36:32,558 --> 00:36:34,424 No, he was afraid to. 820 00:36:34,426 --> 00:36:37,928 So he never mentioned voices until you brought it up? 821 00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:38,929 Yes. 822 00:36:38,931 --> 00:36:39,763 Thank you. 823 00:36:39,765 --> 00:36:40,497 But... 824 00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:43,233 Thank you, Doctor. 825 00:36:43,235 --> 00:36:45,335 They're playing with the system. 826 00:36:45,337 --> 00:36:46,870 Lying? All of them? 827 00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:50,473 You think the shrink coached them? 828 00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:53,376 Maybe. 829 00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:54,945 Gaffney. 830 00:36:54,947 --> 00:36:57,280 You don't think a lawyer would do it. 831 00:36:57,282 --> 00:36:58,515 Olivet doesn't think a shrink would do it. 832 00:36:58,517 --> 00:36:59,849 We're right back where we started. 833 00:36:59,851 --> 00:37:01,384 He goes to a hospital. 834 00:37:01,386 --> 00:37:02,886 He says he's cured. 835 00:37:02,888 --> 00:37:04,988 He doesn't hear voices anymore. 836 00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:07,424 He's back on the street, 837 00:37:07,425 --> 00:37:09,859 faster than Lucy Neven can change her phone number. 838 00:37:09,861 --> 00:37:11,428 ( knock at door ) 839 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:13,430 Finished Gaffney's cases 840 00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:16,233 all the way back to '79. 841 00:37:16,235 --> 00:37:19,970 13 insanity defenses, seven acquittals. 842 00:37:19,972 --> 00:37:22,539 Three of them, the defendants were delusional 843 00:37:22,541 --> 00:37:24,407 after they started trial. 844 00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:25,942 It's not a clear pattern, 845 00:37:25,944 --> 00:37:28,411 but I grant you, it's questionable. 846 00:37:28,413 --> 00:37:29,813 STONE: Call Mr. Unger. 847 00:37:29,815 --> 00:37:31,381 Say if he agrees, 848 00:37:31,383 --> 00:37:34,451 we'd like to meet with him alone. 849 00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:38,255 That's absurd. 850 00:37:38,257 --> 00:37:41,258 Do you think I would lie under oath? 851 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:43,893 As a parent, yes, I think you would. 852 00:37:43,895 --> 00:37:46,396 You want my son in jail. 853 00:37:46,398 --> 00:37:48,598 You want me in jail too? 854 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,268 Do you have children, Mr. Stone? 855 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:53,036 Are they healthy? 856 00:37:53,038 --> 00:37:55,472 Happy? 857 00:37:55,474 --> 00:37:58,642 We all want our children to be happy. 858 00:37:58,644 --> 00:38:02,879 If not so, at least protected. 859 00:38:02,881 --> 00:38:05,382 My son is sick. 860 00:38:05,384 --> 00:38:08,852 There is no dispute. 861 00:38:08,854 --> 00:38:11,488 Good night. 862 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:19,462 He had no right 863 00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:21,031 to drag Bill Unger down here. 864 00:38:21,033 --> 00:38:23,366 Mr. Unger was invited. 865 00:38:23,368 --> 00:38:26,303 You wanted him to implicate me in perjury. 866 00:38:26,305 --> 00:38:27,971 Three cases, your clients 867 00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:30,307 never heard voices until trial. 868 00:38:30,309 --> 00:38:32,442 Mandel was your shrink on two of them. 869 00:38:32,444 --> 00:38:34,577 If I wanted to discuss Jesse's symptoms with his father, 870 00:38:34,579 --> 00:38:35,879 that's my job. 871 00:38:35,881 --> 00:38:37,447 Jack, you're overplaying your hand. 872 00:38:37,449 --> 00:38:39,349 There's an appearance of impropriety. 873 00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:43,086 File a complaint with the disciplinary committee. 874 00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:45,655 The ghost of John Hinckley. 875 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,057 That the problem? 876 00:38:47,059 --> 00:38:48,591 Shoots the President 877 00:38:48,593 --> 00:38:51,661 of the United States and gets off? 878 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:54,698 You're desperate, aren't you? 879 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:56,733 You want out of this? 880 00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,668 I'll plead it. 881 00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:00,470 Assault one. 882 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:03,406 Gentlemen, 883 00:39:03,408 --> 00:39:05,075 think about it. 884 00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:11,481 I don't know, Adam. 885 00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:13,917 Jesse Unger could walk. 886 00:39:13,919 --> 00:39:16,686 Gaffney's bluffing with assault. 887 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:19,956 He'll take manslaughter one, attempt. 888 00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:25,595 I should talk with Lucy Neven. 889 00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:28,998 What does it mean? 890 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,500 How long? 891 00:39:30,502 --> 00:39:34,971 A minimum of five years, a maximum of 15. 892 00:39:36,675 --> 00:39:38,775 What do you think? 893 00:39:38,777 --> 00:39:40,777 It's your life, 894 00:39:40,779 --> 00:39:45,382 but honestly, I don't know what that jury will do. 895 00:39:45,384 --> 00:39:52,655 Is there any way we can make sure it's 15? 896 00:39:52,657 --> 00:39:55,658 The parole board? 897 00:39:55,660 --> 00:39:57,660 We can recommend. 898 00:39:57,662 --> 00:40:00,130 We have no control over them, 899 00:40:00,132 --> 00:40:03,700 and they're just as unpredictable as juries. 900 00:40:03,702 --> 00:40:06,536 Why me? 901 00:40:06,538 --> 00:40:09,739 I can't give him anything. 902 00:40:13,445 --> 00:40:16,813 I'll take my chances with the jury 903 00:40:16,815 --> 00:40:19,749 if it's all right with you. 904 00:40:21,653 --> 00:40:24,154 Lucy, the jury... 905 00:40:25,724 --> 00:40:29,426 it may not give you what you want. 906 00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:34,030 What I want is what I had. 907 00:40:38,804 --> 00:40:42,205 How often do you hear this voice, Jesse? 908 00:40:42,207 --> 00:40:45,708 She talks to me when I get confused. 909 00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:47,744 It's a woman's voice? 910 00:40:47,746 --> 00:40:49,479 Mm-hmm. 911 00:40:49,481 --> 00:40:51,815 Does the voice have a name? 912 00:40:51,817 --> 00:40:55,685 No, she's.... she's just there. 913 00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:57,153 What does she tell you? 914 00:40:57,155 --> 00:40:59,856 I can't talk about that. 915 00:40:59,858 --> 00:41:00,857 ( clears throat ) 916 00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:03,126 GAFFNEY: Jesse... 917 00:41:03,128 --> 00:41:08,498 did this voice tell you to hurt Lucy Neven? 918 00:41:10,702 --> 00:41:14,237 She told me that if Lucy wouldn't love me, 919 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,774 that I had to kill her. 920 00:41:20,645 --> 00:41:23,646 Is this your handwriting? 921 00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:25,715 Mm-hmm. 922 00:41:25,717 --> 00:41:28,585 Did you write this to Lucy and send it to her? 923 00:41:28,587 --> 00:41:30,587 Yes, I did. 924 00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:33,156 I'd like you to read from the top, 925 00:41:33,158 --> 00:41:35,792 out loud to the court. 926 00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:39,662 "Dear Lucy, 927 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:41,798 "I know you understand I never meant to hurt you. 928 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,800 I wanted to protect you..." 929 00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:45,702 Louder, son. 930 00:41:45,704 --> 00:41:48,671 So everyone can hear. 931 00:41:50,509 --> 00:41:54,644 "I know you understand I never meant to hurt you. 932 00:41:54,646 --> 00:41:57,714 "I wanted to protect you. 933 00:41:57,716 --> 00:42:00,783 "I know that you care about me. 934 00:42:00,785 --> 00:42:01,918 "I know we could be together. 935 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,220 "I would do anything for you. 936 00:42:04,222 --> 00:42:06,756 "I didn't want to hit you. 937 00:42:06,758 --> 00:42:09,659 I love you." 938 00:42:09,661 --> 00:42:11,694 See, inside we're the same. 939 00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:14,597 We're the same people. 940 00:42:17,536 --> 00:42:19,602 GAFFNEY: Thank you, Jesse. 941 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,907 Mr. Unger, how old were you 942 00:42:23,909 --> 00:42:26,943 when you first heard this woman's voice? 943 00:42:26,945 --> 00:42:28,678 I don't remember. 944 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,747 She's always with me. 945 00:42:30,749 --> 00:42:33,550 And aside from Lucy Neven, 946 00:42:33,552 --> 00:42:35,685 did the voice ask you 947 00:42:35,687 --> 00:42:37,687 to hurt other people? 948 00:42:37,689 --> 00:42:39,289 I don't remember. 949 00:42:39,291 --> 00:42:41,758 If you had the opportunity, 950 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,694 would you still want to talk with Lucy Neven? 951 00:42:44,696 --> 00:42:46,129 Uh-huh. 952 00:42:46,131 --> 00:42:48,598 Would you continue to write to her? 953 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,700 Yes, I'd have to. 954 00:42:50,702 --> 00:42:52,735 STONE: If you had the opportunity, 955 00:42:52,737 --> 00:42:55,138 would you pursue a relationship with her? 956 00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:57,273 Well, I don't know. 957 00:42:57,275 --> 00:42:58,975 Maybe. 958 00:43:00,712 --> 00:43:02,712 Nothing's changed. 959 00:43:02,714 --> 00:43:05,214 STONE: Nothing's changed? 960 00:43:05,216 --> 00:43:06,783 No. 961 00:43:06,785 --> 00:43:08,751 Nothing. 962 00:43:11,323 --> 00:43:13,790 So, what are you to decide? 963 00:43:13,792 --> 00:43:15,792 In our society, 964 00:43:15,794 --> 00:43:18,695 we make exceptions for mental illness. 965 00:43:18,697 --> 00:43:20,997 But should that exception be made 966 00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:24,667 when it endangers the life of another human being? 967 00:43:24,669 --> 00:43:27,153 And Jesse Unger 968 00:43:27,154 --> 00:43:29,638 has made it perfectly clear that he will come after Lucy Neven 969 00:43:29,641 --> 00:43:33,776 again and again until he gets what he wants from her, 970 00:43:33,778 --> 00:43:36,212 and if he can't have her, 971 00:43:36,214 --> 00:43:38,881 he'll make sure no one else does. 972 00:43:38,883 --> 00:43:41,684 Now, is this obsession insane? 973 00:43:42,988 --> 00:43:46,990 No one can completely know the mind of another human being. 974 00:43:46,992 --> 00:43:51,628 We can't crawl inside his skin and see the world as he sees it. 975 00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:53,029 However, we do know 976 00:43:53,031 --> 00:43:56,766 that Jesse Unger had no documented history 977 00:43:56,768 --> 00:43:59,936 of delusional episodes prior to this case. 978 00:43:59,938 --> 00:44:04,641 In fact, he made no mention of delusions or hearing voices 979 00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:06,242 until after his father 980 00:44:06,244 --> 00:44:10,413 had asked for a second psychiatric evaluation. 981 00:44:10,415 --> 00:44:13,650 Now, under the law, we human beings 982 00:44:13,652 --> 00:44:16,919 are responsible for our actions except for one thing: 983 00:44:16,921 --> 00:44:19,756 delusional mental illness. 984 00:44:19,758 --> 00:44:24,260 Jesse Unger's convenient and last-minute reporting 985 00:44:24,262 --> 00:44:25,928 of this condition 986 00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:28,798 is a responsible act. 987 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,335 He knows, as clearly as you or I, 988 00:44:32,337 --> 00:44:35,071 that he brutally attacked Lucy Neven, 989 00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:37,674 and he knows, just as clearly, 990 00:44:37,676 --> 00:44:41,411 what he has to do to escape punishment. 991 00:44:41,413 --> 00:44:46,983 Now, he destroyed Lucy Neven's life. 992 00:44:46,985 --> 00:44:50,386 Hold him responsible for it. 993 00:44:54,959 --> 00:44:56,993 JUDGE: On the sole count of the indictment, 994 00:44:56,995 --> 00:44:58,761 attempted murder in the second degree, 995 00:44:58,763 --> 00:45:00,329 how do you find? 996 00:45:00,331 --> 00:45:02,732 We find the defendant guilty. 997 00:45:02,734 --> 00:45:05,868 JUDGE: I thank the jury for their service. 998 00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:07,770 ( gavel bangs ) Court is adjourned. 999 00:45:07,772 --> 00:45:09,405 Sentencing hearing to be scheduled. 1000 00:45:12,477 --> 00:45:14,744 Thank you. 1001 00:45:31,896 --> 00:45:33,896 Now, you may not be happy. 1002 00:45:33,898 --> 00:45:35,465 Lucy Neven is. 1003 00:45:35,467 --> 00:45:37,400 You know as well as I do 1004 00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:39,001 that the law ought to be changed. 1005 00:45:39,003 --> 00:45:40,870 Juries are not psychiatrists. 1006 00:45:40,872 --> 00:45:43,139 He never got the help he needed, Ben, 1007 00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:45,875 and the jury followed the only law we've got. 1008 00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:47,477 We're not gods. 1009 00:45:47,479 --> 00:45:50,413 We're not even angels. 1010 00:45:50,415 --> 00:45:52,148 He should be in the hospital. 1011 00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:54,350 We put him in jail. 1012 00:45:56,121 --> 00:46:00,123 Captioning sponsored by NBC/UNIVERSAL 1013 00:46:00,125 --> 00:46:04,360 Captioned by access.wgbh.org oup at WGBH