1 00:00:06,340 --> 00:00:08,042 (male announcer) In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:08,076 --> 00:00:09,777 the people are represented by two separate 3 00:00:09,810 --> 00:00:11,712 yet equally important groups-- 4 00:00:11,745 --> 00:00:12,946 the police who investigate crime 5 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:16,217 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:16,250 --> 00:00:18,352 These are their stories. 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,224 [yelling] 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,330 You okay? 9 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:32,032 Doctor's ready. 10 00:00:36,704 --> 00:00:39,507 (Doctor) The procedure's scheduled for 2:00. 11 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:41,309 They'll remove the feeding tube. 12 00:00:41,342 --> 00:00:42,643 If you have any questions-- 13 00:00:42,676 --> 00:00:44,378 No. 14 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:51,785 Sweetheart. 15 00:00:53,221 --> 00:00:55,256 This is what I promised you. 16 00:00:58,659 --> 00:00:59,827 Remember? 17 00:00:59,860 --> 00:01:03,364 [indistinct utterance] 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,342 I love you. 19 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:30,858 (woman) He's here! 20 00:01:30,891 --> 00:01:32,726 He's out here! 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,761 (man) Murderer! 22 00:01:33,794 --> 00:01:35,429 (woman) Who made you God? 23 00:01:35,463 --> 00:01:38,399 [yelling] 24 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:41,435 [crowd chanting] Murderer! Murderer! Murderer! 25 00:01:44,338 --> 00:01:46,307 Robert, call me later. 26 00:02:12,433 --> 00:02:14,635 (Green) We got one DOA, four injured. 27 00:02:14,668 --> 00:02:16,537 Of the four injured, none of them are likely. 28 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:18,639 Lucky they were on the doorstep of the ER. 29 00:02:18,672 --> 00:02:21,875 The DOA, the driver is a Robert Barrows. 30 00:02:21,909 --> 00:02:22,676 Detective. 31 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:23,811 Where's the mobile command center? 32 00:02:23,844 --> 00:02:24,878 On its way, Lieutenant. 33 00:02:24,912 --> 00:02:26,780 Well, until it's here or we're sure 34 00:02:26,814 --> 00:02:28,716 there's not another bomb around here some where, 35 00:02:28,749 --> 00:02:31,719 everyone is to stay off cell phones and radios. 36 00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:34,455 Well, we don't have to look too far for a motive. 37 00:02:34,488 --> 00:02:36,457 Seems pretty obvious. To anyone watching the news. 38 00:02:36,490 --> 00:02:40,328 Karen Barrows has been on a feeding tube for 11 years. 39 00:02:40,361 --> 00:02:41,862 Her husband tried to get it removed. 40 00:02:41,895 --> 00:02:43,764 That tube was supposed to be taken out today. 41 00:02:43,797 --> 00:02:45,766 We got at least a dozen organized protest groups. 42 00:02:45,799 --> 00:02:46,734 Citizens for Life. 43 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:48,902 (Green) Disabled Rights, Christians Unified. 44 00:02:48,936 --> 00:02:51,672 Not counting the people who came here on their own, 45 00:02:51,705 --> 00:02:52,906 which is probably most of them. 46 00:02:52,940 --> 00:02:54,808 Yeah, no shortage of suspects. 47 00:02:54,842 --> 00:02:57,711 Just a couple of hundred. Give or take. 48 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:52,366 Fragments taken from the chassis of the car. 49 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,468 Looks like a pipe bomb. Home workshop model. 50 00:03:54,502 --> 00:03:56,837 It didn't go off when Barrows started the car. 51 00:03:56,870 --> 00:03:58,272 Remote detonator. 52 00:03:58,306 --> 00:03:59,807 You can download plans off the Internet 53 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,311 and buy the electronics from 100 different places. 54 00:04:03,344 --> 00:04:04,645 Which means the killer was watching 55 00:04:04,678 --> 00:04:07,515 this whole thing happen from some place nearby. 56 00:04:07,548 --> 00:04:08,749 Nature of the detonator. 57 00:04:08,782 --> 00:04:10,684 They'd have had to be within 200 yards. 58 00:04:10,718 --> 00:04:12,886 Well, we'll get a couple of guys from the 11th Squad 59 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,389 to help with the canvass. 60 00:04:15,423 --> 00:04:16,824 And pull the hospital surveillance tapes. 61 00:04:16,857 --> 00:04:18,326 And these news crews, 62 00:04:18,359 --> 00:04:20,060 we need to check out what they shot. 63 00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:21,829 Now when was this bomb planted? 64 00:04:21,862 --> 00:04:23,997 It didn't happen around all these people? 65 00:04:24,031 --> 00:04:26,767 We'll find out where Barrows kept his car. 66 00:04:30,571 --> 00:04:32,373 (woman) Robert parked it on the street. 67 00:04:32,406 --> 00:04:33,741 A lotta access. 68 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:36,310 You think the police would have checked it. 69 00:04:36,344 --> 00:04:38,379 They gave him a police escort to the hospital. 70 00:04:38,412 --> 00:04:40,614 They put up bullet proof curtains. 71 00:04:40,648 --> 00:04:42,082 They even gave him a police radio. 72 00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:44,585 Well, has the car been out of your possession recently? 73 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:47,855 Three days ago, it was serviced at my cousin's shop in Queens. 74 00:04:47,888 --> 00:04:49,022 But he wouldn't plan a bomb. 75 00:04:49,056 --> 00:04:51,592 Well, has anyone shown up to threaten him personally? 76 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:53,761 Besides her parents? 77 00:04:53,794 --> 00:04:54,828 Karen's parents? 78 00:04:54,862 --> 00:04:55,829 You haven't seen them? 79 00:04:55,863 --> 00:04:57,931 They went on the news. 80 00:04:57,965 --> 00:04:59,667 They called him a monster. 81 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:02,436 They called me a whore for having kids with him. 82 00:05:02,470 --> 00:05:05,439 When I met him, she had been like that 83 00:05:05,473 --> 00:05:08,376 for six years. 84 00:05:08,409 --> 00:05:10,010 Robert dedicated his life to her. 85 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:12,780 He fought to get money for her care. 86 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:14,582 Fought how? A malpractice suit. 87 00:05:14,615 --> 00:05:18,419 It took him four years to get a settlement. 88 00:05:18,452 --> 00:05:20,854 How much money are we talking about? 89 00:05:20,888 --> 00:05:23,323 3.2 million. 90 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:27,928 And who will control this money now? 91 00:05:27,961 --> 00:05:30,864 Guess. 92 00:05:30,898 --> 00:05:33,467 Of course we'll control the trust. 93 00:05:33,501 --> 00:05:35,603 How it should have been since the settlement. 94 00:05:35,636 --> 00:05:37,371 But this isn't about money. 95 00:05:37,405 --> 00:05:38,939 At least not for us. 96 00:05:38,972 --> 00:05:41,141 You weren't too pleased with the way Robert handled things. 97 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:44,111 Robert was spending Karen's money on his girlfriend. 98 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:46,647 Buying her clothes, redoing their apartment. 99 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,116 Why do you think he wanted Karen dead? 100 00:05:49,149 --> 00:05:51,819 It's been a hard couple of days. 101 00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:53,954 Good to meet you. Reverend Harlan Dwyre. 102 00:05:53,987 --> 00:05:54,955 How do you do? 103 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:56,457 Yeah, I've seen you on the news. 104 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:58,592 Harlan's been a crucial advocate in our fight 105 00:05:58,626 --> 00:05:59,993 and a good friend. 106 00:06:00,027 --> 00:06:01,762 (Green) Were any of you at the hospital 107 00:06:01,795 --> 00:06:03,731 when Robert was killed? 108 00:06:03,764 --> 00:06:04,932 We don't go when Robert's there. 109 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:06,099 It's too painful. 110 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:06,900 Well, when you are there, 111 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:08,502 do you ever hear anybody say anything 112 00:06:08,536 --> 00:06:09,670 about hurting him? 113 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:12,105 No. And we would never encourage that. 114 00:06:12,139 --> 00:06:14,041 You were pretty harsh towards him on the news. 115 00:06:14,074 --> 00:06:15,476 (Karen's mom) He's been trying to kill our child. 116 00:06:15,509 --> 00:06:17,778 I'm sure that they understand. 117 00:06:17,811 --> 00:06:19,112 And she's still in danger. 118 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:20,313 The police should be helping us 119 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:22,950 instead of making us feel like we've done something wrong. 120 00:06:22,983 --> 00:06:23,984 [cell phone ringing] 121 00:06:24,017 --> 00:06:25,753 Excuse me. 122 00:06:25,786 --> 00:06:28,188 It's Steven. 123 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:29,857 Hey, any news? 124 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:32,460 Yes, I'll tell them. 125 00:06:32,493 --> 00:06:35,696 The court has agreed to hear Karen's petition. 126 00:06:35,729 --> 00:06:37,598 Until then the feeding tube stays in. 127 00:06:37,631 --> 00:06:39,166 Oh, that's good news. 128 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,435 Such good news. 129 00:06:41,469 --> 00:06:43,604 If you don't mind me asking, who's Steven? 130 00:06:43,637 --> 00:06:45,172 Karen's brother. 131 00:06:45,205 --> 00:06:47,475 Where does he live? 132 00:06:47,508 --> 00:06:49,677 (man) I was getting gas downtown 133 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:52,913 on my way to the hospital, and I caught something 134 00:06:52,946 --> 00:06:55,949 on the radio about a car bomb. 135 00:06:55,983 --> 00:06:57,184 Oh, yeah? 136 00:06:57,217 --> 00:06:59,019 What time was that? 137 00:06:59,052 --> 00:07:02,022 Just before 11:00. They said it had just happened. 138 00:07:02,055 --> 00:07:04,725 Did you happen to get a receipt for that gas? 139 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:08,662 Come on, guys. 140 00:07:08,696 --> 00:07:10,764 You want me to look for it? 141 00:07:10,798 --> 00:07:13,467 That'd be great. 142 00:07:16,637 --> 00:07:19,139 You guys questioned my parents. 143 00:07:19,172 --> 00:07:21,141 A couple of 60-year-old retirees. 144 00:07:21,174 --> 00:07:22,910 They seem like the car bombing type to you? 145 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:24,244 We're just gathering information, sir. 146 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:25,212 (Steven) Don't confuse us 147 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:27,147 with the protestors down at the hospital. 148 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,717 They've never met Karen. 149 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:32,586 Hey, did any of them ever contact you? 150 00:07:32,620 --> 00:07:35,055 No. And I don't go near them. 151 00:07:35,088 --> 00:07:37,224 The reason some idiot planted a bomb, 152 00:07:37,257 --> 00:07:40,060 to them, Karen stands for something. 153 00:07:40,093 --> 00:07:43,564 To me, she's my little sister. 154 00:07:43,597 --> 00:07:44,898 I just want her alive. 155 00:07:44,932 --> 00:07:47,635 Here you go. 156 00:07:49,870 --> 00:07:51,672 And talk to the guy driving that fuel tanker. 157 00:07:51,705 --> 00:07:54,642 He almost hit my car on the way out of the station. 158 00:07:54,675 --> 00:07:56,677 (Fontana) The brother's gas station receipt checks out. 159 00:07:56,710 --> 00:07:57,978 And there was a fuel tanker there 160 00:07:58,011 --> 00:07:59,212 when he said there was. 161 00:07:59,246 --> 00:08:01,114 What about the cousin who serviced Barrow's car 162 00:08:01,148 --> 00:08:02,082 three days ago? 163 00:08:02,115 --> 00:08:04,017 He has no record and no pro-life involvement 164 00:08:04,051 --> 00:08:05,118 that we could find. 165 00:08:05,152 --> 00:08:07,788 Does the bomb squad know exactly where it was planted? 166 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:10,123 It was on the chassis underneath the driver's seat. 167 00:08:10,157 --> 00:08:11,525 So the cousin would have noticed it 168 00:08:11,559 --> 00:08:12,826 when he changed the transmission fluid. 169 00:08:12,860 --> 00:08:15,195 Meaning our bomb was planted in the last three days. 170 00:08:15,228 --> 00:08:17,230 That's our window. 171 00:08:17,264 --> 00:08:19,667 Lieutenant, this is Detective Garcia with Intell. 172 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:21,034 He's assigned to Threat Assessment. 173 00:08:21,068 --> 00:08:22,736 He's helping us sort out this hate mail. 174 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:24,304 Nice to meet you. Anything? 175 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:26,073 You remember the Women's Center on 30th Street 176 00:08:26,106 --> 00:08:27,240 was bombed last year? 177 00:08:27,274 --> 00:08:28,642 Yeah, in the middle of the night. 178 00:08:28,676 --> 00:08:30,043 This is a copy of the letter 179 00:08:30,077 --> 00:08:32,646 the Center got two days before it happened. 180 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:35,616 (Van Buren) "I am the instrument of God's vengeance." 181 00:08:35,649 --> 00:08:36,917 The guy couldn't spell "vengeance." 182 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:39,086 Robert Barrows got this four days ago. 183 00:08:39,119 --> 00:08:41,021 Never opened it. 184 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:42,155 "I am the instrument of--" 185 00:08:42,189 --> 00:08:43,891 It's the same phrase. 186 00:08:43,924 --> 00:08:46,159 Same font, same layout. 187 00:08:46,193 --> 00:08:49,597 Who caught this case? 188 00:08:53,634 --> 00:08:54,868 (Koniak) What a heartbreaker. 189 00:08:54,902 --> 00:08:57,137 It was a ground ball then it all fell apart. 190 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:58,338 Who was the suspect? 191 00:08:58,371 --> 00:08:59,673 Walter Byrd, some pro-life nut-job. 192 00:08:59,707 --> 00:09:01,274 Too perfect, right? 193 00:09:01,308 --> 00:09:04,678 Witness saw him hanging around the clinic at 4:00 a.m. 194 00:09:04,712 --> 00:09:06,814 A minute later, the whole storefront blows off. 195 00:09:06,847 --> 00:09:08,081 How come it didn't stick? 196 00:09:08,115 --> 00:09:09,783 Well, he had no trace explosives on him. 197 00:09:09,817 --> 00:09:10,884 We got no prints. 198 00:09:10,918 --> 00:09:12,653 No one saw him plant the bomb. 199 00:09:12,686 --> 00:09:14,187 So we cut him loose. 200 00:09:14,221 --> 00:09:15,889 A week later he's gone. 201 00:09:15,923 --> 00:09:16,890 No forwarding address, nothing. 202 00:09:16,924 --> 00:09:18,058 What type device was it? 203 00:09:18,091 --> 00:09:20,761 First page. 204 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:23,831 Pipe bomb. 205 00:09:23,864 --> 00:09:25,699 Bleach-based explosive, potassium nitrate, 206 00:09:25,733 --> 00:09:26,767 remote detonator. 207 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,001 Sounds like it could be our boy. 208 00:09:28,035 --> 00:09:28,936 Well, we got his photo. 209 00:09:28,969 --> 00:09:30,370 So if he was hanging out with the protestors 210 00:09:30,403 --> 00:09:31,605 at the hospital then... 211 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:33,073 We'll check it out. 212 00:09:33,106 --> 00:09:36,677 (man) Karen feels the presence of those who love her. 213 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:37,911 She feels joy and pain. 214 00:09:37,945 --> 00:09:39,680 She is not in a vegetative state. 215 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:41,248 (Fontana) 'Scuse me. She is cognizant. 216 00:09:41,281 --> 00:09:43,183 Pardon me. Karen can make hand signals. 217 00:09:43,216 --> 00:09:45,085 Yo. Yo! Yo! 218 00:09:45,118 --> 00:09:46,654 Come here. 219 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:47,855 Seems like you've been around here 220 00:09:47,888 --> 00:09:49,322 for a few days. 221 00:09:49,356 --> 00:09:50,691 Have you seen this man? 222 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:51,892 This about the car bomb? 223 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:53,360 Yes, it is. What do you know about it? 224 00:09:53,393 --> 00:09:54,361 Someone had to stop Robert Barrows, 225 00:09:54,394 --> 00:09:56,263 but that was not the way to do it. 226 00:09:56,296 --> 00:09:58,198 I'm not asking you how it should have been done. 227 00:09:58,231 --> 00:09:59,700 All I'm asking you is this. 228 00:09:59,733 --> 00:10:01,735 Have you seen this man or not? 229 00:10:01,769 --> 00:10:03,904 Don't think so. 230 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:05,673 Anybody? 231 00:10:05,706 --> 00:10:06,907 (woman) Definitely. 232 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:08,876 He was handing out flyers. 233 00:10:08,909 --> 00:10:09,877 When was this? 234 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:10,878 About a week ago. 235 00:10:10,911 --> 00:10:12,312 I saw him a couple times. 236 00:10:12,345 --> 00:10:13,914 Did you take a flyer? 237 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:16,216 He's pro-life, which sort of bothers me 238 00:10:16,249 --> 00:10:17,718 'cause I'm pro-choice. 239 00:10:17,751 --> 00:10:19,887 Wait, do you know where I can find one? 240 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,354 Maybe on the ground. 241 00:10:21,388 --> 00:10:22,422 They were orange with black lettering. 242 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:24,391 Thanks. 243 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:26,393 (Fontana) Hey! 244 00:10:26,426 --> 00:10:28,261 I have two witnesses who saw him with these. 245 00:10:28,295 --> 00:10:29,262 This it? 246 00:10:29,296 --> 00:10:30,397 I think so. 247 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:34,067 Check this out. 248 00:10:34,101 --> 00:10:35,936 P.O. Box to send donations. 249 00:10:40,407 --> 00:10:41,909 (Marianne) Whatever he's done, 250 00:10:41,942 --> 00:10:43,076 I can't help you. 251 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:45,178 He gave your apartment as a billing address. 252 00:10:45,212 --> 00:10:46,346 Billing address? 253 00:10:46,379 --> 00:10:48,448 Yeah, for a P.O. Box. 254 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:50,017 Do you recognize this? 255 00:10:50,050 --> 00:10:51,919 No, I don't. 256 00:10:51,952 --> 00:10:54,922 He stayed over a couple of times last winter. 257 00:10:54,955 --> 00:10:56,790 Sometimes he gets mail here. 258 00:10:56,824 --> 00:10:58,258 (Green) Does he ever come and get it? 259 00:10:58,291 --> 00:10:59,359 Not for awhile. 260 00:10:59,392 --> 00:11:02,429 Anyway, I threw it all out. I don't want him here. 261 00:11:02,462 --> 00:11:03,797 Why? He wasn't the ideal house guest? 262 00:11:03,831 --> 00:11:05,032 He damn near caught 263 00:11:05,065 --> 00:11:07,768 my curtains on fire soldering something in the back room. 264 00:11:07,801 --> 00:11:10,470 Soldering what? 265 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,906 Who knows? I threw it all out. 266 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:16,343 And when he called, I told him he was not staying here again. 267 00:11:16,376 --> 00:11:18,345 Do you know where he called from? 268 00:11:18,378 --> 00:11:19,747 Didn't ask. 269 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:21,048 I heard kids in the background. 270 00:11:21,081 --> 00:11:22,415 (Fontana) Does Walter have kids? 271 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:24,051 None I know of. 272 00:11:24,084 --> 00:11:26,720 His ex has kids. Maybe they're back together. 273 00:11:26,754 --> 00:11:28,321 [knocking on door] 274 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:31,491 You know, I don't think anyone is at home. 275 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:33,226 I hear something. 276 00:11:39,432 --> 00:11:41,802 Oh, hello there. What's your name? 277 00:11:43,837 --> 00:11:45,405 Is Walter home? 278 00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:47,107 [door opens] 279 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:48,275 Back door. Got it. 280 00:11:48,308 --> 00:11:50,177 Come out here, honey. That's it. 281 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:52,880 [door creaks open and slams] 282 00:11:55,182 --> 00:11:58,051 Police! I heard you go in there. 283 00:12:02,856 --> 00:12:04,758 Step out slowly. 284 00:12:04,792 --> 00:12:06,059 I wanna see your hands. 285 00:12:06,093 --> 00:12:07,394 (man) I'm coming out. 286 00:12:07,427 --> 00:12:08,862 [liquid splashing] 287 00:12:10,297 --> 00:12:12,833 [man screaming] 288 00:12:12,866 --> 00:12:15,502 Help! Help! 289 00:12:15,535 --> 00:12:17,204 Help! Help! 290 00:12:21,842 --> 00:12:23,110 You okay? Yeah, help me. 291 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,316 Easy, easy, easy. 292 00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:34,321 I lit a cigarette, which was stupid 293 00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:36,089 'cause I had paint thinner on the table, 294 00:12:36,123 --> 00:12:38,291 and a second later, there's flames everywhere. 295 00:12:38,325 --> 00:12:40,493 I was glad to see this guy. 296 00:12:40,527 --> 00:12:42,029 Don't give us that bull, man. 297 00:12:42,062 --> 00:12:43,496 You were trying to torch the place. 298 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:45,332 Why would I want to do that? 299 00:12:45,365 --> 00:12:47,534 Because you had more than paint thinner in that shed. 300 00:12:47,567 --> 00:12:49,837 You had potassium nitrate, aluminum fillings, 301 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:51,438 blasting caps. And a bag of rusty nails 302 00:12:51,471 --> 00:12:53,340 like the ones used in the car bomb. 303 00:12:53,373 --> 00:12:55,275 Like the ones they pulled out of Robert Barrows. 304 00:12:55,308 --> 00:12:57,277 Look, I'm not saying I don't make bombs, I do. 305 00:12:57,310 --> 00:12:59,913 But, you know, I use them to go fishing. Fishing? 306 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:02,149 Yeah, you throw 'em in the water. 307 00:13:02,182 --> 00:13:04,885 All the fish float to the top. You've heard of that. 308 00:13:04,918 --> 00:13:07,287 (Green) Anyway, You said you were at the hospital four days ago. 309 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,889 What were you doing there? 310 00:13:08,922 --> 00:13:10,323 It's wrong what's happening to that girl. 311 00:13:10,357 --> 00:13:11,925 I was speaking out. (Fontana) Speaking to who? 312 00:13:11,959 --> 00:13:13,493 Who'd you talk to? Lots of people. 313 00:13:13,526 --> 00:13:15,495 We're gonna dump your ex-wife's phones. 314 00:13:15,528 --> 00:13:17,197 We're gonna run down every call. 315 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:19,066 Go ahead. 316 00:13:19,099 --> 00:13:20,868 The labs are gonna know if the explosive used 317 00:13:20,901 --> 00:13:23,303 in that car bomb matches the batch we found in your shed. 318 00:13:23,336 --> 00:13:26,273 You know, somebody broke into the shed last week, 319 00:13:26,306 --> 00:13:27,540 took a whole bunch of stuff. 320 00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:31,945 Are you trying to amuse us? 321 00:13:31,979 --> 00:13:34,581 Or do you really think we're that stupid? 322 00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:41,588 Byrd's ex-wife backs his alibi. 323 00:13:41,621 --> 00:13:43,323 He spent the last four days with her. 324 00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:44,892 Ex or no, still doesn't mean much. 325 00:13:44,925 --> 00:13:46,159 It goes beyond her. 326 00:13:46,193 --> 00:13:48,495 At the time of the explosion, she and Byrd were firing guns 327 00:13:48,528 --> 00:13:50,430 at a range in Arden Heights. 328 00:13:50,463 --> 00:13:51,899 And the range confirms it. 329 00:13:51,932 --> 00:13:53,333 Interesting couple. 330 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:56,203 Where's the lab on the chemicals in Byrd's shed? 331 00:13:56,236 --> 00:13:58,171 It matches the explosives used at the hospital. 332 00:13:58,205 --> 00:13:59,907 Any prints on the bomb fragment? 333 00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:01,608 No, and the Crime Scene Unit is not hopeful. 334 00:14:01,641 --> 00:14:03,310 What about the ex-wife's phone records? 335 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,012 So far just friends and family. 336 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:07,114 We don't think Byrd used the phone at the house. 337 00:14:07,147 --> 00:14:08,415 Well, someone had to detonate that bomb. 338 00:14:08,448 --> 00:14:09,516 Who was he working with? 339 00:14:09,549 --> 00:14:12,252 It could be somebody from the Calvary Hill Foundation. 340 00:14:12,285 --> 00:14:13,653 Religious group. 341 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:16,189 Last year Byrd took an "inciting to riot" collar 342 00:14:16,223 --> 00:14:18,425 at an anti-evolution rally in Tulsa. 343 00:14:18,458 --> 00:14:20,127 Sponsored by Calvary Hill. 344 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,962 I'm sure they'll be very talkative. 345 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:23,163 Good luck. 346 00:14:25,398 --> 00:14:27,567 (woman) Of course we'd like to be of help, 347 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,502 but we don't discuss our membership. 348 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:31,371 Even if they're a homicidal bomber. 349 00:14:31,404 --> 00:14:33,907 Having our literature doesn't make him a member. 350 00:14:33,941 --> 00:14:35,642 And that kind of violent activity 351 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:37,210 has no place in our ideology. 352 00:14:37,244 --> 00:14:38,678 Well, except for that riot in Tulsa 353 00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:40,347 where there were 16 arrests made outside 354 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:42,015 of the school board meeting. 355 00:14:42,049 --> 00:14:44,617 We didn't bring the batons and tear gas, Detective. 356 00:14:44,651 --> 00:14:46,153 If Walter Byrd is a member 357 00:14:46,186 --> 00:14:48,588 of our organization and he did this bombing, 358 00:14:48,621 --> 00:14:50,924 it's purely coincidental. Joe. 359 00:14:50,958 --> 00:14:53,426 Is Reverend Dwyre a member of your foundation? 360 00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:55,562 A supporter. 361 00:14:59,332 --> 00:15:00,700 Was he also in Tulsa with you? 362 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:02,970 He spoke at the rally. 363 00:15:03,003 --> 00:15:06,339 Oh, now you think he's involved? 364 00:15:06,373 --> 00:15:09,676 (Dwyre) Heated emotional situations 365 00:15:09,709 --> 00:15:12,045 like Karen's, like in Tulsa, 366 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:14,047 they bring out passionate people. 367 00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:15,182 Also, the extreme. 368 00:15:15,215 --> 00:15:16,383 Like Walter Byrd. 369 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:17,417 Unfortunately. 370 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:18,986 How well do you know him? 371 00:15:19,019 --> 00:15:21,254 Well, we've just been at the same rallies. 372 00:15:21,288 --> 00:15:24,424 You just happen to cross paths with a bomb maker at a rally? 373 00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:27,194 Our center supports religious and ethical causes. 374 00:15:27,227 --> 00:15:29,196 Now he may believe in the same causes, 375 00:15:29,229 --> 00:15:30,430 but I deplore his tactics. 376 00:15:30,463 --> 00:15:32,032 Explosion's put your face on the news. 377 00:15:32,065 --> 00:15:34,434 I mean, you're getting a lot of air time out of this. 378 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:36,503 Well, I have a feeling that will end soon. 379 00:15:36,536 --> 00:15:38,471 Do you know the name Mitch Randolph? 380 00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:39,772 Mitch Randolph? 381 00:15:39,806 --> 00:15:42,609 Is he the guy who blew up those four abortion clinics in Oregon? 382 00:15:42,642 --> 00:15:45,212 Half the country's been looking for him for two years. 383 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:46,613 He's always one step ahead. 384 00:15:46,646 --> 00:15:47,747 Randolph's anonymous blog 385 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:50,450 says that he was in New York recently. 386 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:52,519 That goes for a lot of other people. 387 00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:54,354 He wrote he was supporting violent action 388 00:15:54,387 --> 00:15:56,056 to save Karen's life. 389 00:15:56,089 --> 00:15:58,091 And he was here to offer support and knowledge. 390 00:15:58,125 --> 00:16:00,127 And you think he's going to take responsibility for this. 391 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,161 Yes, I do. 392 00:16:01,194 --> 00:16:03,530 This Mitch Randolph idea 393 00:16:03,563 --> 00:16:05,365 just came to you now, did it? 394 00:16:05,398 --> 00:16:11,538 In my work, it's not a name you drop lightly. 395 00:16:14,441 --> 00:16:16,309 (woman) Mitch Randolph is a hero. 396 00:16:16,343 --> 00:16:18,511 Willing to put his ass on the line, you know. 397 00:16:18,545 --> 00:16:20,547 And that you'd think we'd help you find him 398 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:22,049 is incomprehensible. 399 00:16:22,082 --> 00:16:24,551 Look you guys are pro-life, right? 400 00:16:24,584 --> 00:16:26,286 Vehemently. 401 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:28,421 Well, our murder victim has two kids, 402 00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:30,490 so why aren't you pro-life about him? 403 00:16:30,523 --> 00:16:32,459 A man with a gun to his wife's head, 404 00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:35,228 waiting for a Godless court system to pull the trigger? 405 00:16:35,262 --> 00:16:36,629 Sorry. 406 00:16:36,663 --> 00:16:38,398 We don't know where Mitch Randolph is. 407 00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:40,167 And we wouldn't tell you if we did. 408 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,502 You're gonna wanna watch that attitude. 409 00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:44,471 We could subpoena your computer files. 410 00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:46,439 Tracked where he blogged from. 411 00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:48,141 You really want all of those hassles? 412 00:16:48,175 --> 00:16:49,509 You mean again? 413 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:51,378 What are you talking about? 414 00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:53,546 Before you harass people doing God's work, 415 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:57,317 try talking to your pals at the FBI. 416 00:16:57,350 --> 00:17:00,087 The government is run by fools who condone murder 417 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,189 and the bloodshed of innocents, 418 00:17:02,222 --> 00:17:04,491 it is the responsibility of the people 419 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,759 to respond in kind. 420 00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:09,829 It was posted on the Save Our Homeland website 421 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:11,431 as a kind of moral video. 422 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:12,699 Did you figure out where it was shot? 423 00:17:12,732 --> 00:17:14,134 We matched the wallpaper and window curtains 424 00:17:14,167 --> 00:17:16,103 to the Bandicott Hotel in mid-town 425 00:17:16,136 --> 00:17:17,504 three weeks ago. 426 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:19,206 What was on the Bandicott's surveillance cameras? 427 00:17:19,239 --> 00:17:20,673 (Connolley) Randolph strolling through the lobby. 428 00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:21,808 We need to see that. 429 00:17:21,841 --> 00:17:23,243 There's nothing there. 430 00:17:23,276 --> 00:17:24,377 And neither us or ATF 431 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:26,746 have anything connecting him to this car bombing. 432 00:17:26,779 --> 00:17:29,549 Just him promoting violence on a website. 433 00:17:29,582 --> 00:17:31,418 Generic wacko rambling. 434 00:17:31,451 --> 00:17:33,286 (Green) What about the fact he's in the city? 435 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,488 (Connolley) Two weeks ago we had him allegedly spotted 436 00:17:35,522 --> 00:17:36,723 in Montana. 437 00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:39,359 Then a tip came in he might be hiding out in South Carolina 438 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:40,760 would the survivalist dirt farmers. 439 00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:42,429 We don't know where he is. 440 00:17:42,462 --> 00:17:46,833 We still want to see the Bandicott surveillance videos. 441 00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:52,505 (Connolley) There, that's him. 442 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:57,144 He waits for the elevator. 443 00:17:57,177 --> 00:18:00,613 Elevator doors open. 444 00:18:00,647 --> 00:18:03,650 He gets in. Doors close. 445 00:18:03,683 --> 00:18:05,718 Can we see it again? 446 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:20,400 All right. 447 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:22,101 No, let it keep playing. 448 00:18:28,375 --> 00:18:30,510 (Fontana) Who's the guy in the back doorway? 449 00:18:37,684 --> 00:18:40,720 (Green) That looks like Walter Byrd. 450 00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:43,623 I'm starting to see a bigger picture here, Mr. Byrd. 451 00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:46,559 Maybe you weren't the only one involved with this bombing. 452 00:18:46,593 --> 00:18:47,627 I wasn't involved at all. 453 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:50,330 We want to move forward. 454 00:18:50,363 --> 00:18:51,498 Trade up. 455 00:18:51,531 --> 00:18:52,899 You familiar with the concept? 456 00:18:52,932 --> 00:18:54,467 I am. What's the offer? 457 00:18:54,501 --> 00:18:56,503 20 years. 458 00:18:56,536 --> 00:18:58,238 Eight, max. 459 00:18:58,271 --> 00:18:59,639 18, concurrent with the clinic bombing 460 00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:01,308 after a full allocution on both. 461 00:19:01,341 --> 00:19:03,210 No. 462 00:19:04,611 --> 00:19:06,546 No. 463 00:19:06,579 --> 00:19:08,348 I mean, you people got no concept 464 00:19:08,381 --> 00:19:09,616 of believing in a cause. 465 00:19:09,649 --> 00:19:12,719 Conviction on one, you do at least 25 years. 466 00:19:12,752 --> 00:19:14,487 50 if you get consecutive sentences. 467 00:19:14,521 --> 00:19:17,657 You know there are people in the world that truly care 468 00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:18,425 about human life. 469 00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:21,628 Ten seconds and the deal's gone. 470 00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:24,631 People who think that killing is abhorrent. 471 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:26,633 Anathema. 472 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:28,601 Against the will of God. 473 00:19:28,635 --> 00:19:30,303 Do you even believe in God, Ms. Borgia? 474 00:19:30,337 --> 00:19:31,904 I do. Good-bye. 475 00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:33,573 Walter... 476 00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:35,875 [sighs] 477 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,646 What do you want to know about the Reverend? 478 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:43,416 Reverend? 479 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:48,621 Dwyre. 480 00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:51,624 (Borgia) He says Dwyre contracted him to build a bomb. 481 00:19:51,658 --> 00:19:53,360 Byrd delivered it to the Reverend's hotel room. 482 00:19:53,393 --> 00:19:55,695 Three days later, Robert Barrows blew up. 483 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:57,630 Where does this Mitch Randolph fit in? 484 00:19:57,664 --> 00:19:58,898 Byrd says he doesn't know him. 485 00:19:58,931 --> 00:19:59,999 He never met him. 486 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,735 How does he explain the Bandicott surveillance tape? 487 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:05,672 He says it was a set-up orchestrated by Dwyre. How? 488 00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:07,674 Dwyre told Byrd to meet him at the hotel, 489 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,676 then he never showed. 490 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,644 Knowing Byrd and Randolph would cross paths 491 00:20:11,678 --> 00:20:13,346 and we'd look at Byrd for the bombing. 492 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:14,581 That's what he says. 493 00:20:14,614 --> 00:20:16,649 And Byrd wasn't just blowing smoke? 494 00:20:16,683 --> 00:20:18,618 All the specifics point to Byrd and Dwyre. 495 00:20:20,487 --> 00:20:23,656 (Van Buren) Did you find any calls between Byrd and the Reverend? 496 00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:24,791 None. 497 00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:26,993 Well, they could've had contact outside the hospital. 498 00:20:27,026 --> 00:20:28,728 Is there anything that Byrd knew about Dwyre 499 00:20:28,761 --> 00:20:30,497 that he couldn't have just made up, 500 00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:31,998 something we can confirm? 501 00:20:32,031 --> 00:20:34,434 (Green) Was that a yes? 502 00:20:34,467 --> 00:20:35,535 Okay, thanks. 503 00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,770 Byrd told you that he delivered the bomb to Dwyre 504 00:20:37,804 --> 00:20:39,439 at the Leister Inn, room 1602? 505 00:20:39,472 --> 00:20:40,473 (Borgia) Yeah. 506 00:20:40,507 --> 00:20:41,674 Dwyre's in 1602. 507 00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:43,810 Pick him up. 508 00:20:43,843 --> 00:20:46,479 (Dwyre) Every one, I have some wonderful news. 509 00:20:46,513 --> 00:20:48,481 The Lamar family was just informed 510 00:20:48,515 --> 00:20:50,417 that the court has granted our motion 511 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:52,885 to vacate prior rulings to terminate Karen's life. 512 00:20:52,919 --> 00:20:56,623 [cheering] 513 00:20:56,656 --> 00:20:59,426 Now, her feeding tube will remain in place 514 00:20:59,459 --> 00:21:01,728 and we will keep it in place until she is well enough 515 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:03,396 to feed herself. 516 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:04,831 [cheers and applause] 517 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:06,733 Detectives, did you hear? 518 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:08,735 Yes, great news. Could we talk to you for a minute? 519 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,671 Not now, they need me. 520 00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:13,039 Listen, you're under arrest. 521 00:21:13,072 --> 00:21:14,941 Now you wanna come calmly 'cause we don't want 522 00:21:14,974 --> 00:21:16,576 to stir up the crowd. 523 00:21:16,609 --> 00:21:20,813 Or are you just all about making the news, Reverend? 524 00:21:22,715 --> 00:21:23,950 No, no, no, it's all right. 525 00:21:23,983 --> 00:21:25,785 It's all right, everyone. 526 00:21:25,818 --> 00:21:27,554 What ever happens to me is nothing. 527 00:21:27,587 --> 00:21:29,856 This is about Karen, about her right to life. 528 00:21:29,889 --> 00:21:31,958 [cheers and applause] 529 00:21:31,991 --> 00:21:34,627 Make yourself comfortable, Reverend. 530 00:21:34,661 --> 00:21:36,729 You're making a huge mistake, gentlemen. 531 00:21:36,763 --> 00:21:37,997 Oh, I don't think so. 532 00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:40,500 An ordained minister who orders a pipe bomb 533 00:21:40,533 --> 00:21:41,834 through room service. 534 00:21:41,868 --> 00:21:43,703 I think it's your mistake, not ours. 535 00:21:43,736 --> 00:21:46,739 Well, let me go on record that I did nothing of the sort. 536 00:21:46,773 --> 00:21:49,008 Then why'd you throw out Mitch Randolph's name 537 00:21:49,041 --> 00:21:50,977 unless it was to put this on Walter Byrd? 538 00:21:51,010 --> 00:21:52,412 Taking the word of that madman? 539 00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:53,312 (Fontana) Where were you 540 00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:54,814 when Robert Barrows got blown to pieces? 541 00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:57,650 In good time, gentlemen. In good time. 542 00:21:57,684 --> 00:21:59,852 You're can have all the time you need on Rikers Island. 543 00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:02,455 I know you're not from here, but I'm sure you heard of it. 544 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:03,790 [knock on door] 545 00:22:03,823 --> 00:22:05,057 Thought you'd want to see this. 546 00:22:05,091 --> 00:22:06,626 Thank you. 547 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:10,897 So that's how it's done in the blue states. 548 00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:12,832 Threats and intimidation. 549 00:22:12,865 --> 00:22:15,468 You've arrested me for what I stand for. 550 00:22:15,502 --> 00:22:18,471 Not what you think I did. 551 00:22:18,505 --> 00:22:19,572 Actually, we arrested you 552 00:22:19,606 --> 00:22:20,773 because you're a bomb throwing phony. 553 00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:22,775 (Green) Here's a report from the Bomb Squad. 554 00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:25,778 They found traces of potassium nitrate 555 00:22:25,812 --> 00:22:27,380 on the desk in your hotel room. 556 00:22:27,414 --> 00:22:29,849 The same compound they used in the explosives 557 00:22:29,882 --> 00:22:31,684 that killed Robert Barrows. 558 00:22:31,718 --> 00:22:33,920 Is there anything you'd like to say? 559 00:22:33,953 --> 00:22:34,987 Reverend? 560 00:22:35,021 --> 00:22:38,691 I want a lawyer. 561 00:22:48,701 --> 00:22:51,704 Docket number 5-3-8-3-2. People v. Harlan James Dwyre. 562 00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,573 Murder in the second degree. 563 00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:54,841 Criminal possession of a dangerous weapon 564 00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:55,875 in first degree. 565 00:22:55,908 --> 00:22:58,478 Four counts of assault in the first degree. 566 00:22:58,511 --> 00:22:59,879 I'd never thought I'd be saying this, 567 00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:01,681 but how do you plead, Reverend? 568 00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:02,849 I am not guilty, Your Honor. 569 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:04,484 (Kirby) We all know that 570 00:23:04,517 --> 00:23:07,086 the only reason Reverend Dwyre stands accused here today 571 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,621 is because he opposed the murder 572 00:23:08,655 --> 00:23:10,857 of a helpless young woman. 573 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:12,559 Because he stood up for life. 574 00:23:12,592 --> 00:23:14,727 He's here for his role in the death of one individual 575 00:23:14,761 --> 00:23:16,663 and the injury of four others. 576 00:23:16,696 --> 00:23:17,797 (woman) He saved Karen! 577 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:19,131 [all chanting] He saved Karen! 578 00:23:19,165 --> 00:23:20,667 Remove those people from the courtroom! 579 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:22,635 In fact, escort them out of the building. 580 00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:23,636 [gavel pounding] 581 00:23:23,670 --> 00:23:25,572 Any else hollering out will be locked up 582 00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:26,739 and charged with contempt. 583 00:23:26,773 --> 00:23:29,576 [gavel pounding] 584 00:23:29,609 --> 00:23:31,644 And if you continue to grandstand, Mr. Kirby, 585 00:23:31,678 --> 00:23:32,712 the same goes for you. 586 00:23:32,745 --> 00:23:34,614 You can lock us all up, Judge. 587 00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:36,082 But you will never silence us. 588 00:23:36,115 --> 00:23:37,850 Your Honor... 589 00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:39,018 You were warned. 590 00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:42,855 I find you in contempt of court, sir. 591 00:23:42,889 --> 00:23:45,024 Judge Torledsky gave Dwyre 100 grand bail 592 00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:46,859 and ten days on a contempt finding. 593 00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:49,228 He manipulated his arraignment into a pro-life media event. 594 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,997 (Branch) Well, you better get used to it. 595 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:54,734 This whole case is going to be The Harlan Dwyre Show. 596 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:56,102 We're going to look like patsies 597 00:23:56,135 --> 00:23:58,638 if it doesn't have the right ending. 598 00:23:58,671 --> 00:24:00,507 We flipped the bomb-maker. He'll testify against Dwyre. 599 00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:01,574 Walter Byrd, a zealot himself. 600 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:04,210 Not the most credible witness. 601 00:24:04,243 --> 00:24:05,645 (Borgia) Agreed. 602 00:24:05,678 --> 00:24:07,013 But the explosive residue in Dwyre's hotel room 603 00:24:07,046 --> 00:24:08,581 corroborates Byrd's story. 604 00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:09,882 (Branch) I don't see the Reverend Dwyre 605 00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:11,918 crawling under a car. 606 00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,953 Or pushing the button for that matter. 607 00:24:13,986 --> 00:24:15,822 He has thousands of supporters. 608 00:24:15,855 --> 00:24:17,724 I don't think we'll ever know who all the players were. 609 00:24:17,757 --> 00:24:18,725 Don't be so sure. 610 00:24:18,758 --> 00:24:19,892 When push comes to shove, 611 00:24:19,926 --> 00:24:22,094 I doubt Dwyre's gonna take one for the team. 612 00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:23,896 Harlan Dwyre will do whatever's best for Harlan Dwyre. 613 00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:25,598 (McCoy) Dwyre's notice of alibi. 614 00:24:25,632 --> 00:24:29,569 He was on a radio talk show at the time of the bombing. 615 00:24:29,602 --> 00:24:31,638 Green and Fontana asked for his whereabouts. 616 00:24:31,671 --> 00:24:32,839 He gave 'em the runaround. 617 00:24:32,872 --> 00:24:35,575 Timing's everything. 618 00:24:38,277 --> 00:24:39,746 (woman) Arthur Branch, closet Liberal. 619 00:24:39,779 --> 00:24:41,881 I always suspected. 620 00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:44,116 Trust me. You're wrong. 621 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:45,718 Something put Dwyre in his crosshairs, Alex. 622 00:24:45,752 --> 00:24:46,719 Can I call you Alex? 623 00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:48,187 We don't prosecute people 624 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,757 unless there's evidence, Miss Sanders. 625 00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:52,925 Or if it's, uh, election time 626 00:24:52,959 --> 00:24:54,894 with a bleeding heart constituency. 627 00:24:54,927 --> 00:24:56,929 Why else bare fangs at a reverend 628 00:24:56,963 --> 00:24:58,598 trying to save a woman 629 00:24:58,631 --> 00:24:59,699 from torture and murder 630 00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:00,800 by an adulterous husband? 631 00:25:00,833 --> 00:25:01,834 Was Reverend Dwyre here 632 00:25:01,868 --> 00:25:03,302 at the time of the bombing or not? 633 00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:04,837 He was in that chair 634 00:25:04,871 --> 00:25:07,840 from 10:00 to 11:00 that morning. 635 00:25:07,874 --> 00:25:09,041 Rodney's cued the tape 636 00:25:09,075 --> 00:25:10,877 for the exact time the bomb went off. 637 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:11,911 (Reverend Dwyre) Oh, yeah, absolutely right. 638 00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:13,212 It is madness. 639 00:25:13,245 --> 00:25:15,648 And if you think it's going to stop 640 00:25:15,682 --> 00:25:17,950 with Karen and the unborn children, 641 00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:19,251 open your eyes. 642 00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:20,787 (Sanders) We're on a ship called 643 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:21,854 the "culture of death", folks, 644 00:25:21,888 --> 00:25:24,023 with a legion of godless liberals at the helm. 645 00:25:24,056 --> 00:25:27,694 It's 10:45 here on WPLF radio. 646 00:25:27,727 --> 00:25:29,161 And if that's not good enough, 647 00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:31,063 I'd be happy to testify in court. 648 00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:32,765 It says in your program notes 649 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,634 that Phil Lamar was a guest that day 650 00:25:34,667 --> 00:25:36,302 but I didn't hear him say anything. 651 00:25:36,335 --> 00:25:39,238 That's because Mr. Lamar had to cancel that morning. 652 00:25:39,271 --> 00:25:41,674 (Lamar) The reason I didn't appear 653 00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:43,676 on the program was I had a call 654 00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:45,144 from Karen's lawyers. 655 00:25:45,177 --> 00:25:47,980 They were trying to get a last minute appeal. 656 00:25:48,014 --> 00:25:49,215 A stay. 657 00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:51,350 I had to go over there and sign an affidavit. 658 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:54,020 I'll need the firm's name and address. 659 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:56,155 Pauley and Wyatt. They're in Tribeca. 660 00:25:56,188 --> 00:25:58,157 Canal and Greenwich. 661 00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:59,826 You don't believe me? 662 00:25:59,859 --> 00:26:02,862 I'm just doing my job, Mr. Lamar. 663 00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,832 Did Reverend Dwyre say something? 664 00:26:05,865 --> 00:26:08,868 The Reverend said a lot of things. 665 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:13,673 It just seems curious that you're here now 666 00:26:13,706 --> 00:26:16,075 after the police investigated. 667 00:26:16,108 --> 00:26:17,343 Well, we're discovering 668 00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:20,980 something new about the case almost every day. 669 00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:24,350 My father obviously wasn't involved 670 00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:25,885 in any of this. 671 00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:28,020 And if you want to speak to him in the future, 672 00:26:28,054 --> 00:26:29,889 you should contact our lawyers. 673 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:35,995 Bomb residue and a motive won't be enough 674 00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:37,129 to nail Dwyre. 675 00:26:37,163 --> 00:26:38,865 Any indication who did the dirty work? 676 00:26:38,898 --> 00:26:40,867 There was a three day window 677 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:42,902 when the bomb could've been planted in the car. 678 00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:44,403 We can't put Dwyre in it. 679 00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:45,905 Fontana and Green showed his picture 680 00:26:45,938 --> 00:26:48,374 up and down Barrow's neighborhood. 681 00:26:48,407 --> 00:26:49,575 Do me a favor. 682 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:52,812 Have them retrace their steps using a photo of Lamar Senior. 683 00:26:52,845 --> 00:26:54,046 Okay. 684 00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:59,886 This receipt is from here. 685 00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:01,187 I can tell by the station number. 686 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:02,755 They're father and son. 687 00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:03,823 Can you remember which one was here 688 00:27:03,856 --> 00:27:05,992 buying gas that day? Yeah, how can I remember? 689 00:27:06,025 --> 00:27:07,126 It's very busy here. 690 00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:09,395 Well, there was a tanker unloading fuel here at the time. 691 00:27:09,428 --> 00:27:10,930 It must be Tuesday morning. 692 00:27:10,963 --> 00:27:12,398 It was a blue Volvo station wagon. 693 00:27:12,431 --> 00:27:14,901 Had a bunch of bumper stickers on the back. 694 00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:17,236 "It's a child not a choice"? 695 00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:19,005 That would be the one. 696 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:20,840 Yeah, but these men were not in the car. 697 00:27:20,873 --> 00:27:21,874 It was a woman. 698 00:27:21,908 --> 00:27:22,909 What'd she look like? 699 00:27:22,942 --> 00:27:26,679 Gray hair. Maybe 60. 700 00:27:26,713 --> 00:27:28,848 The gas station manager 701 00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:30,750 picked Mrs. Lamar's photo out of the array. 702 00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:32,885 (Borgia) Well, if she faked an alibi for her son, 703 00:27:32,919 --> 00:27:34,687 it probably means he detonated the bomb. 704 00:27:34,721 --> 00:27:36,022 After his father located Barrow's car 705 00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:37,824 so they could plant the thing. 706 00:27:37,857 --> 00:27:39,225 Dwyre had a lot of help. 707 00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:42,361 Very nice. A family project. 708 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,801 I thought we told you to contact us 709 00:27:48,835 --> 00:27:49,902 through our lawyers. 710 00:27:49,936 --> 00:27:52,739 You did. Mr. Lamar, is the rest of your family here? 711 00:27:52,772 --> 00:27:55,074 Everyone but Karen. Why? 712 00:27:55,107 --> 00:27:56,075 What's going on, Phil? 713 00:27:56,108 --> 00:27:59,411 I hope you have a warrant. 714 00:27:59,445 --> 00:28:00,947 We do. 715 00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:03,215 As a matter of fact, we have one for each of you. 716 00:28:03,249 --> 00:28:05,051 You're all under arrest for conspiracy 717 00:28:05,084 --> 00:28:07,053 to murder Robert Barrows. 718 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,254 You have the right to remain silent. 719 00:28:08,287 --> 00:28:09,455 Anything you say can be used 720 00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:11,057 against you in a court of law. 721 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:12,258 You have the right to an attorney. 722 00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:14,093 If you cannot afford one... 723 00:28:14,126 --> 00:28:16,095 (Pam) I only got involved 724 00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:18,264 to save Karen's life, Miss Borgia. 725 00:28:18,297 --> 00:28:21,367 Which amounts to a textbook justification defense. 726 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,735 (Borgia) If she'll come forward 727 00:28:22,769 --> 00:28:24,203 and be honest about what happened, 728 00:28:24,236 --> 00:28:26,105 we might consider it in mitigation. 729 00:28:26,138 --> 00:28:29,208 I won't testify against anyone in my family. 730 00:28:29,241 --> 00:28:32,444 Who devised the plan to kill your son-in-law? 731 00:28:32,478 --> 00:28:34,847 What do we get in return? 732 00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:38,050 I can't commit to anything until I hear details. 733 00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:47,126 Reverend Dwyre said we had to be prepared 734 00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:50,462 if we lost Karen's case in court. 735 00:28:50,496 --> 00:28:52,999 She couldn't protect herself against Robert, 736 00:28:53,032 --> 00:28:55,835 so we had to do it for her. 737 00:28:55,868 --> 00:28:59,772 It sounded right in principle, but then... 738 00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:03,910 Then what, Mrs. Lamar? 739 00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:10,282 He started saying how everybody would be fine 740 00:29:10,316 --> 00:29:12,852 once Robert was gone. 741 00:29:12,885 --> 00:29:14,420 He was advocating murder. 742 00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:16,255 My husband thought it was just talk. 743 00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:20,326 But Steven... wouldn't let it go. 744 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:23,495 Why? 745 00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:25,164 (Phil) After we lost the last appeal, 746 00:29:25,197 --> 00:29:28,034 we all knew Karen was going to die. 747 00:29:28,067 --> 00:29:31,470 Dwyre started taking Steven's aside. 748 00:29:31,503 --> 00:29:34,073 They'd have these private talks. 749 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:36,943 Pray together. 750 00:29:36,976 --> 00:29:38,410 He got it in my son's head 751 00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:40,512 that something needed to be done. 752 00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,514 That something being a car bomb. 753 00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:44,183 Dwyre told him 754 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:46,185 that saving Karen was the most important thing 755 00:29:46,218 --> 00:29:49,055 he would ever do in his whole life. 756 00:29:49,088 --> 00:29:51,891 He also said we needed to make a statement 757 00:29:51,924 --> 00:29:54,426 for all the other Karens out there. 758 00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:59,365 Who planted the bomb, Mr. Lamar? 759 00:29:59,398 --> 00:30:05,905 Steven said he was going forward with or without our consent. 760 00:30:05,938 --> 00:30:12,144 He's our son. We had to protect him too. 761 00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:13,946 Was it Steven? 762 00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:20,920 I won't say that in court. 763 00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:23,622 That'll limit what I'm able to do for you. 764 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:26,959 Then can you do something for my son? 765 00:30:26,993 --> 00:30:31,998 He planted a bomb and killed a man. 766 00:30:32,031 --> 00:30:37,169 It was Robert's life or Karen's, his sister. 767 00:30:37,203 --> 00:30:40,306 What would you do? 768 00:30:40,339 --> 00:30:43,409 (Pam) Karen will recover. 769 00:30:43,442 --> 00:30:46,412 She will walk and talk again. 770 00:30:46,445 --> 00:30:50,416 So the threat of a court order to starve her to death 771 00:30:50,449 --> 00:30:54,620 keeps us awake at night 772 00:30:54,653 --> 00:30:58,457 with our stomachs twisted. 773 00:30:58,490 --> 00:31:02,294 It consumes our-- 774 00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:08,500 It consumes our lives. 775 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:19,645 They made some very bad choices 776 00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:21,180 in an impossible situation. 777 00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:22,348 What do you propose? 778 00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:23,549 Pleas down to Conspiracy. 779 00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:25,551 5 to 15 years for the father. 780 00:31:25,584 --> 00:31:28,020 Probation for the mother. 781 00:31:28,054 --> 00:31:30,089 If you're sure they're less culpable. 782 00:31:30,122 --> 00:31:31,357 I buy their story. 783 00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:33,192 Where are you on the other defendants? 784 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:35,461 Neither lawyer's returning my calls. 785 00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:37,396 Well, the son has no leverage. 786 00:31:37,429 --> 00:31:39,398 But you'd think the good Reverend Dwyre 787 00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:42,568 would be looking for a way to wiggle off the hook. 788 00:31:42,601 --> 00:31:44,403 Maybe he thinks the evidence against him 789 00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:45,537 is too tenuous. 790 00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,406 He supplied the weapon for the murder. 791 00:31:47,439 --> 00:31:49,075 But he stayed just far enough away 792 00:31:49,108 --> 00:31:52,078 from its execution to have plausible deniability. 793 00:31:52,111 --> 00:31:53,545 Or he believes he'll ride 794 00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:55,982 the Steven Lamar justification defense to an acquittal. 795 00:31:56,015 --> 00:31:57,549 And greater fame. 796 00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:00,619 Either way, I don't want him or need him. 797 00:32:00,652 --> 00:32:02,588 Okay then. Set a trial date. 798 00:32:05,457 --> 00:32:07,293 (Reverend Dwyre) Steven Lamar 799 00:32:07,326 --> 00:32:08,627 was legally justified in his actions 800 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:10,096 against Robert Barrows. 801 00:32:10,129 --> 00:32:11,597 And I sit next to him proudly 802 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,432 to defend this shameless attack 803 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:15,267 on the Lamar family. 804 00:32:15,301 --> 00:32:17,603 Aren't you afraid of going to jail, Reverend? 805 00:32:17,636 --> 00:32:18,971 For what? 806 00:32:19,005 --> 00:32:21,640 An innocent woman's life was saved. 807 00:32:21,673 --> 00:32:24,576 Why would anybody go to jail for anything? 808 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:26,545 Next question. 809 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:28,147 (Borgia) Should we bring the judge out here 810 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:29,715 and try it on the steps? 811 00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:31,617 Why bother with a judge? 812 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:33,986 We met in Central Park by the big fountain. 813 00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:36,588 The Reverend wanted to know if I could make a device 814 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:38,190 that could be planted under a car. 815 00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:39,691 What did you do? 816 00:32:39,725 --> 00:32:41,560 Filled his order. 817 00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:46,165 Bought some potassium nitrate, some PCP tubing, some nails. 818 00:32:46,198 --> 00:32:49,268 Put it together. Took it to his hotel room. 819 00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:51,370 Which was where? 820 00:32:51,403 --> 00:32:53,105 Leister Inn in Manhattan, room 1602. 821 00:32:53,139 --> 00:32:55,241 What happened when you arrived there? 822 00:32:55,274 --> 00:32:56,442 Knocked on the door. 823 00:32:56,475 --> 00:32:58,510 He opened it. 824 00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:03,282 Which defendant are you pointing to, Mr. Byrd? 825 00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:05,184 Steve Lamar. 826 00:33:05,217 --> 00:33:06,518 He said Harlan asked him 827 00:33:06,552 --> 00:33:07,686 to accept the package personally. 828 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:10,522 Harlan meaning? 829 00:33:10,556 --> 00:33:13,159 The Reverend Dwyre. 830 00:33:13,192 --> 00:33:15,627 Any question what the package was? 831 00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:18,330 Reverend ordered a bomb. That's what I delivered. 832 00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:23,669 (McCoy) Nothing further. 833 00:33:23,702 --> 00:33:24,703 (Green) My partner and I 834 00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:27,506 arrived on the scene to find a late model sedan 835 00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:28,707 that had been blown up 836 00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:31,510 by some kind of explosive device. 837 00:33:31,543 --> 00:33:33,445 What did your examination of the car reveal, 838 00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:35,214 Detective Green? 839 00:33:35,247 --> 00:33:36,748 There was a body in the driver's seat. 840 00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:38,784 And because the explosion was so powerful, 841 00:33:38,817 --> 00:33:41,787 we couldn't determine the race or the gender. 842 00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:44,223 But the car was registered to Robert Barrows. 843 00:33:44,256 --> 00:33:46,392 So what did you do? 844 00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:48,560 We went to Mr. Barrow's apartment. 845 00:33:48,594 --> 00:33:50,429 Was anybody home? 846 00:33:50,462 --> 00:33:52,264 Yes. His long time girlfriend, Susan Alfani, 847 00:33:52,298 --> 00:33:53,732 and their two sons. 848 00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:55,734 We broke the news to her. 849 00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:57,703 And she confirmed that he did take the car 850 00:33:57,736 --> 00:33:59,238 to the hospital that morning. 851 00:33:59,271 --> 00:34:00,572 (McCoy) What else 852 00:34:00,606 --> 00:34:01,840 did your conversation with her reveal? 853 00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:03,309 (Green) That there was bad blood 854 00:34:03,342 --> 00:34:06,145 between Robert and the Lamar family. 855 00:34:06,178 --> 00:34:07,846 (McCoy) Specifically? 856 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,215 (Green) That Robert had watched 857 00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:10,682 Karen waste away for six years 858 00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:12,284 and wanted to end her suffering. 859 00:34:12,318 --> 00:34:14,586 And the Lamar family 860 00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:17,823 didn't approve. 861 00:34:21,127 --> 00:34:23,429 As part of your investigation, Detective Green, 862 00:34:23,462 --> 00:34:26,465 did you scrutinize over 500 death threats? 863 00:34:26,498 --> 00:34:27,633 We knew of them. 864 00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:29,668 And how many of those did you trace back 865 00:34:29,701 --> 00:34:31,570 to the source of the threat? None. 866 00:34:31,603 --> 00:34:34,106 No further questions. 867 00:34:36,442 --> 00:34:38,777 Why didn't you trace the threats, Detective? 868 00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:41,480 Every one of those letters were anonymous. 869 00:34:41,513 --> 00:34:43,815 Plus we already had a positive ID on the bomb maker 870 00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:45,884 which led us directly to the arrest of Reverend Dwyre. 871 00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:50,756 (McCoy) Nothing further. 872 00:34:50,789 --> 00:34:55,294 Mr. McCoy, I think you've made your point... 873 00:34:55,327 --> 00:34:56,762 charging me in this case. 874 00:34:56,795 --> 00:35:01,467 And I'm willing to take my, uh, wrap on the knuckles. 875 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,302 But you know this was a matter 876 00:35:03,335 --> 00:35:04,636 of personal conscience. 877 00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:07,306 What was happening to Karen was murder 878 00:35:07,339 --> 00:35:09,575 in the eyes of God. 879 00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:11,910 That's why you suggested a bombing 880 00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,913 and procured a bomb for the Lamar family. 881 00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:16,782 Specifically Steven Lamar. 882 00:35:16,815 --> 00:35:18,784 He was the most devoted to the cause. 883 00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:20,319 He was the weakest, 884 00:35:20,352 --> 00:35:21,787 wasn't he? 885 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:24,756 And now you're throwing him under a bus. 886 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:26,292 Shadows your motivation, don't you think? 887 00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:29,328 There was no personal interest in this for me. 888 00:35:29,361 --> 00:35:31,797 Your press conferences say different. 889 00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:35,867 For testimony against Steven, 15 years. 890 00:35:35,901 --> 00:35:39,338 15 years for preaching his beliefs? 891 00:35:39,371 --> 00:35:41,373 He preyed on the Lamar family like a vulture. 892 00:35:41,407 --> 00:35:42,508 My only concern 893 00:35:42,541 --> 00:35:45,344 was saving Karen's life. 894 00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:46,845 That may work for the Lamar family, 895 00:35:46,878 --> 00:35:47,913 but not for you. 896 00:35:50,916 --> 00:35:54,553 Mr. McCoy, it's my understanding 897 00:35:54,586 --> 00:35:57,323 that Steven did this for money. 898 00:35:57,356 --> 00:36:01,193 To use the settlement to open a business 899 00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:04,863 to finally make something of himself. 900 00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:07,199 He told me directly. 901 00:36:09,935 --> 00:36:11,703 15 years. 902 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:16,908 I will not go to prison. 903 00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:21,980 That is in the hands of a higher power, Reverend. 904 00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:23,915 The criminal justice system. 905 00:36:35,361 --> 00:36:36,862 (Steven) My family and I were grateful 906 00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,697 that a man of Reverend Dwyre's stature 907 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:40,699 had taken on Karen's case. 908 00:36:40,732 --> 00:36:43,502 After that, we thought maybe there was a chance. 909 00:36:43,535 --> 00:36:45,671 A chance for what, Steven? 910 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,973 To save Karen's life. 911 00:36:48,006 --> 00:36:50,276 And was Reverend Dwyre 912 00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:51,777 able to accomplish anything? 913 00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:53,445 He was tremendous. 914 00:36:53,479 --> 00:36:55,414 He brought out a lot of support for Karen. 915 00:36:55,447 --> 00:36:58,950 Made the whole country sit up and take notice. 916 00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:01,320 But it wasn't enough, was it? 917 00:37:01,353 --> 00:37:02,988 Well, the courts ruled against us. 918 00:37:03,021 --> 00:37:04,990 We hoped the Governor or maybe even the President 919 00:37:05,023 --> 00:37:09,295 would step in and stop Robert from killing Karen, 920 00:37:09,328 --> 00:37:12,264 but nobody did. 921 00:37:12,298 --> 00:37:13,999 There was only one thing we could do 922 00:37:14,032 --> 00:37:15,701 to save Karen's life. 923 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,035 (Barney) Which was what? 924 00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:18,370 (Steven) My parents had to get 925 00:37:18,404 --> 00:37:19,971 guardianship back. 926 00:37:20,005 --> 00:37:21,873 And Robert wouldn't give it up. 927 00:37:21,907 --> 00:37:24,042 So what happened? 928 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:28,714 We drew up a plan. I got the bomb. 929 00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:31,917 I put it under Robert's car with duct tape. 930 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:34,553 And, uh, 931 00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:39,024 I set it off when he was getting in at the hospital. 932 00:37:39,057 --> 00:37:41,927 I know it sounds terrible, 933 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,631 but isn't it like shooting a burglar in your home 934 00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:49,468 who's trying to harm your family? 935 00:37:57,876 --> 00:38:01,580 So why didn't you get a gun and shoot him, Mr. Lamar? 936 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:03,048 I don't know. 937 00:38:03,081 --> 00:38:04,950 And then turn yourself in 938 00:38:04,983 --> 00:38:08,354 as you would if you shot a burglar in your home. 939 00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:13,692 You killed Robert Barrows with a pipe bomb 940 00:38:13,725 --> 00:38:16,495 because you and Reverend Dwyre 941 00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:20,332 wanted the splashiest murder you could cook up 942 00:38:20,366 --> 00:38:21,500 for the news media. 943 00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:24,102 I never thought of it that way. 944 00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:25,971 Or maybe all you were concerned about 945 00:38:26,004 --> 00:38:28,974 was not getting caught. No. I mean... 946 00:38:29,007 --> 00:38:31,910 I just wanted my sister to stay alive. 947 00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:34,045 If this was such a noble cause, 948 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,648 why did you lie to the police? 949 00:38:36,682 --> 00:38:38,650 Why did you evade capture? 950 00:38:38,684 --> 00:38:39,951 Cause the justice system 951 00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:42,120 is controlled by godless politicians 952 00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:44,990 who don't care about human life. 953 00:38:45,023 --> 00:38:46,592 Is that something you believe 954 00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:49,828 or something you heard from Reverend Dwyre? 955 00:38:49,861 --> 00:38:52,498 He doesn't put words in my mouth. No. 956 00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:54,733 He just sends you out to plant a pipe bomb 957 00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:56,001 under your brother-in-law's car. 958 00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:59,505 It was my idea. Not his. 959 00:38:59,538 --> 00:39:02,140 You decided-- little old Steven Lamar-- 960 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:06,011 all by yourself to play God? 961 00:39:06,044 --> 00:39:08,547 No. 962 00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:10,549 It wasn't like that. 963 00:39:10,582 --> 00:39:14,920 Karen was a lamb that needed to be saved. 964 00:39:14,953 --> 00:39:16,488 I was doing his work. 965 00:39:16,522 --> 00:39:19,625 God's or Reverend Dwyre's? 966 00:39:19,658 --> 00:39:21,727 Why are you trying to blame this on him? 967 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,161 He would never kill anyone. 968 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:24,830 He's a great man. 969 00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:26,565 Who in your eyes was qualified 970 00:39:26,598 --> 00:39:29,568 to decide who should live and who should die. 971 00:39:29,601 --> 00:39:31,737 No. Well, 972 00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:33,071 who contacted Walter Byrd? 973 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,574 Who ordered a pipe bomb from him? 974 00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:38,977 Who had it delivered to his hotel room? 975 00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:49,688 I killed Robert. 976 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:52,057 So at the end of the day, Mr. Lamar, 977 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:55,527 only you get credit for saving Karen's life? 978 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:03,034 Reverend Dwyre inspired me to do the Lord's work. 979 00:40:03,068 --> 00:40:04,736 But I was his soldier. 980 00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:07,906 I was the one who carried out the mission. 981 00:40:07,939 --> 00:40:10,208 There's another name for that, Mr. Lamar, 982 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:12,077 it's called 983 00:40:12,110 --> 00:40:15,714 taking...the...wrap. 984 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,683 Objection. (Judge) Sustained. 985 00:40:17,716 --> 00:40:19,417 You've made your point, Mr. McCoy. 986 00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,203 Has the jury reached a verdict? 987 00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:39,705 We have, Your Honor. 988 00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:42,608 (Judge) As to the defendant Steven Lamar 989 00:40:42,641 --> 00:40:44,910 on the count of murder in the second degree, 990 00:40:44,943 --> 00:40:45,977 how do you find? 991 00:40:46,011 --> 00:40:47,479 We find Steven Lamar guilty. 992 00:40:50,248 --> 00:40:52,050 (Judge) As to the defendant Harlan James Dwyre, 993 00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:54,085 on the count of murder in the second degree, 994 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:55,153 how do you find? 995 00:40:55,186 --> 00:40:57,489 We've been unable to reach a unanimous verdict. 996 00:40:57,523 --> 00:40:59,124 (Judge) Are you hopelessly deadlocked? 997 00:40:59,157 --> 00:41:01,092 (woman) I'm afraid so, Your Honor. 998 00:41:01,126 --> 00:41:03,662 (Judge) In that case, I have no choice 999 00:41:03,695 --> 00:41:05,664 but to declare a mistrial as to Reverend Dwyre. 1000 00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:08,700 Mr. Lamar will be remanded until his sentence date. 1001 00:41:08,734 --> 00:41:10,502 This court is adjourned. 1002 00:41:10,536 --> 00:41:12,137 [gavel bangs] 1003 00:41:14,873 --> 00:41:17,242 I checked with the department of corrections. 1004 00:41:17,275 --> 00:41:20,011 The Reverend visited with Steve Lamar 1005 00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:23,248 at Rikers over the weekend before he testified. 1006 00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:26,051 Convinced him of his higher calling? 1007 00:41:26,084 --> 00:41:27,218 Nailed him to the cross. 1008 00:41:27,252 --> 00:41:29,888 Next time, the jury will see through it. 1009 00:41:29,921 --> 00:41:31,289 Assuming there is a next time. 1010 00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:32,257 If we try Dwyre again, 1011 00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:33,925 what's going to be different? 1012 00:41:33,959 --> 00:41:36,061 We'll be able to concentrate on one defendant. 1013 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:37,128 With the same evidence 1014 00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:38,630 you had the first go-around. 1015 00:41:38,664 --> 00:41:40,131 And there's always going to be folks 1016 00:41:40,165 --> 00:41:41,633 on the jury who are sympathetic 1017 00:41:41,667 --> 00:41:43,769 to Dwyre's position on the bigger issue. 1018 00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:47,539 Who decides who lives and dies? 1019 00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:48,674 You have to check this out. 1020 00:41:48,707 --> 00:41:50,508 The press conference. 1021 00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:53,244 When I explained to Karen 1022 00:41:53,278 --> 00:41:55,547 that she's not going to see her father 1023 00:41:55,581 --> 00:41:57,182 and her brother for a long time, 1024 00:41:57,215 --> 00:42:00,251 she got very sad. 1025 00:42:00,285 --> 00:42:02,788 Her lovely eyes... 1026 00:42:02,821 --> 00:42:04,255 there were tears in them. 1027 00:42:04,289 --> 00:42:07,058 But she understands 1028 00:42:07,092 --> 00:42:09,294 and she's grateful 1029 00:42:09,327 --> 00:42:11,563 to Steven and her father 1030 00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:15,634 for the sacrifice that they've...made. 1031 00:42:15,667 --> 00:42:17,636 It's all right. It's all right. 1032 00:42:17,669 --> 00:42:20,205 Thank you, everyone. That's all for today. 1033 00:42:20,238 --> 00:42:24,009 [reporters shouting] 1034 00:42:24,042 --> 00:42:26,978 Captioning by CaptionMax www.captionmax.com