1 00:00:01,135 --> 00:00:03,137 (male announcer) In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:03,171 --> 00:00:05,106 the people are represented by two separate 3 00:00:05,139 --> 00:00:07,108 yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:07,141 --> 00:00:08,809 the police who investigate crime 5 00:00:08,842 --> 00:00:11,479 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:11,512 --> 00:00:14,348 These are their stories. 7 00:00:14,382 --> 00:00:16,184 Officer. Officer. 8 00:00:16,217 --> 00:00:17,485 Whoa, whoa, street cleaning lady, 9 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:18,552 I already started writing the ticket. 10 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:20,821 Look what I found. From a chumosh. 11 00:00:20,854 --> 00:00:22,623 It's a shanda, I tell you. A shanda. 12 00:00:22,656 --> 00:00:24,092 Yeah, I'm sure it is. 13 00:00:24,125 --> 00:00:25,559 And people say it can't happen again. 14 00:00:25,593 --> 00:00:28,562 But look at this. You gotta do something. 15 00:00:28,596 --> 00:00:30,364 Look, lady, why don't you call the precinct 16 00:00:30,398 --> 00:00:32,233 and somebody might-- 17 00:00:32,266 --> 00:00:35,236 Hold it, looks like blood on there. 18 00:00:35,269 --> 00:00:36,804 Where'd you get these? 19 00:00:36,837 --> 00:00:39,673 There's one! There's one! 20 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:41,775 There's some! There's some! 21 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:44,245 What the hell? 22 00:00:44,278 --> 00:00:45,446 Stop him! 23 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,348 Stop the truck! 24 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:48,449 Stop. Just for a moment. 25 00:00:48,482 --> 00:00:49,817 Treat them gently! Gently! 26 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:52,520 Treat them gently. Get them all! 27 00:00:52,553 --> 00:00:53,721 Get all of them!! 28 00:00:53,754 --> 00:00:55,523 (elderly woman) Those pages are from a holy book. 29 00:00:55,556 --> 00:00:57,225 Central, this is Two-Seven Charlie. 30 00:00:57,258 --> 00:00:58,426 Let me get some traffic control 31 00:00:58,459 --> 00:01:00,461 down here at Hester and Eldridge. 32 00:01:00,494 --> 00:01:01,562 Stay right there, ma'am. 33 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:07,735 Central, 2-7 Charlie again. 34 00:01:07,768 --> 00:01:11,739 Make that a bus and a supervisor forthwith. 35 00:01:11,772 --> 00:01:13,707 I checked his vitals, then I called for a supervisor 36 00:01:13,741 --> 00:01:14,842 and a bus. 37 00:01:14,875 --> 00:01:15,843 Well, was anybody around the building? 38 00:01:15,876 --> 00:01:17,311 Are you kidding? 39 00:01:17,345 --> 00:01:18,412 There was like a mob of people out here 40 00:01:18,446 --> 00:01:19,680 chasing those pages. 41 00:01:19,713 --> 00:01:21,149 What the hell happened to 'em? 42 00:01:21,182 --> 00:01:22,283 They scattered when the RMPs showed up. 43 00:01:22,316 --> 00:01:24,185 Nobody said anything about what happened? 44 00:01:24,218 --> 00:01:25,519 They wouldn't even give me any names. 45 00:01:25,553 --> 00:01:26,520 They were really pissed off, though. 46 00:01:26,554 --> 00:01:28,156 Thanks. 47 00:01:28,189 --> 00:01:29,823 I live right around the corner from the shul. 48 00:01:29,857 --> 00:01:31,425 I walk by here every day. 49 00:01:31,459 --> 00:01:32,560 And when you came by here this morning, 50 00:01:32,593 --> 00:01:34,228 did you notice anything suspicious? 51 00:01:34,262 --> 00:01:36,830 The pages...torn up all over the ground 52 00:01:36,864 --> 00:01:38,299 where everybody can walk. 53 00:01:38,332 --> 00:01:40,834 Did you see anybody fighting around here? 54 00:01:40,868 --> 00:01:41,802 Nobody fighting. 55 00:01:41,835 --> 00:01:44,305 We need more police in this neighborhood. 56 00:01:44,338 --> 00:01:45,473 So things like this never happen anymore. 57 00:01:45,506 --> 00:01:46,707 Yes, Ma'am. 58 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:47,841 The sergeant's gonna make sure 59 00:01:47,875 --> 00:01:49,277 you get home safe, all right? 60 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:50,378 Thank you. 61 00:01:50,411 --> 00:01:53,181 Thank you very much. 62 00:01:53,214 --> 00:01:54,415 Blunt force trauma to the head. 63 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:55,749 Looks like a fractured skull. 64 00:01:55,783 --> 00:01:57,151 When? 65 00:01:57,185 --> 00:01:58,186 An hour or two. 66 00:01:58,219 --> 00:01:59,320 He's still warm. 67 00:01:59,353 --> 00:02:01,189 Any ID or a wallet? 68 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:02,456 Nothing in his pockets. 69 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:04,525 I didn't wanna move him until you had a look. 70 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:06,694 Okay, let's roll him. 71 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:12,166 Oh. 72 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,568 It's Hebrew. 73 00:02:14,602 --> 00:02:16,737 Must have been some special book. 74 00:02:16,770 --> 00:02:19,807 Fasten your seat belt. 75 00:03:07,855 --> 00:03:09,857 This is a Polish edition of the Hebrew Torah. 76 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:11,625 The Old Testament. 77 00:03:11,659 --> 00:03:13,594 Looks like it's 60 or 70 years old. 78 00:03:13,627 --> 00:03:15,429 And all that damage was done recently. 79 00:03:15,463 --> 00:03:16,930 Yeah, the tearing is fresh. 80 00:03:16,964 --> 00:03:18,766 You see, paper is organic, so when it oxidizes-- 81 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:19,667 Beck. 82 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:21,769 How fresh is the blood on these pages? 83 00:03:21,802 --> 00:03:23,804 Brand spanking new. Matches the victim's. 84 00:03:23,837 --> 00:03:25,506 But the test on the saliva won't be back 85 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:26,507 for a few days. 86 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:27,841 Saliva? Somebody spit on it? 87 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:28,976 Uh-huh. Is that a crime? 88 00:03:29,009 --> 00:03:30,811 Murder is. 89 00:03:30,844 --> 00:03:31,912 Okay, but how do you know if the dead guy 90 00:03:31,945 --> 00:03:33,347 was trying to protect the book 91 00:03:33,381 --> 00:03:34,615 or rip it up? 92 00:03:37,485 --> 00:03:38,852 Your John Doe's in his late 20s. 93 00:03:38,886 --> 00:03:40,454 Fit. 94 00:03:40,488 --> 00:03:41,989 From his tan line, it's probably a good bet 95 00:03:42,022 --> 00:03:42,856 that he works outdoors. 96 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:44,958 Any prison tats? Aryan Brotherhood stuff? 97 00:03:44,992 --> 00:03:46,727 No, clean as a baby. 98 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,828 According to the Old Testament, 99 00:03:47,861 --> 00:03:50,298 it's blasphemy to mark your body. 100 00:03:50,331 --> 00:03:53,534 Well, somebody marked him with something heavy. 101 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:55,503 It shattered his temporal bone. 102 00:03:55,536 --> 00:03:57,538 Subdural hematoma killed him. 103 00:03:57,571 --> 00:03:58,806 There's bruises on his shoulder. 104 00:03:58,839 --> 00:04:00,007 He's got half a dozen defensive wounds 105 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,941 on his arms too. 106 00:04:00,974 --> 00:04:02,810 From fending off whoever was wailing on him. 107 00:04:02,843 --> 00:04:04,578 Do you mind if I take a look? 108 00:04:04,612 --> 00:04:05,979 Knock yourself out. 109 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:11,285 Well, there's one clue. 110 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:13,754 Our John Doe is not circumcised. 111 00:04:13,787 --> 00:04:15,356 (Rosenburg) My constituents want answers. 112 00:04:15,389 --> 00:04:16,557 Information, anything. 113 00:04:16,590 --> 00:04:17,558 This was blasphemy. 114 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:19,493 And I'd be happy to work with you, Councilman-- 115 00:04:19,527 --> 00:04:21,295 Have you seen what's going on Delancy Street? 116 00:04:21,329 --> 00:04:22,763 Orthodox men are blocking traffic. 117 00:04:22,796 --> 00:04:25,299 Our Hate Crime Task Force and Community Affairs 118 00:04:25,333 --> 00:04:26,767 have already been notified. 119 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:27,901 You better get some boots on the ground 120 00:04:27,935 --> 00:04:29,470 before there's a riot out there. 121 00:04:29,503 --> 00:04:30,804 You know what, Councilman? 122 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:34,308 It's also your responsibility to keep the people calm. 123 00:04:34,342 --> 00:04:36,444 Easier done if their concerns were taken seriously 124 00:04:36,477 --> 00:04:38,746 by the police. The F.B.I. 125 00:04:38,779 --> 00:04:40,848 We're not ready to call this terrorism. 126 00:04:40,881 --> 00:04:41,982 What is it, then? 127 00:04:42,015 --> 00:04:43,784 Have you spoken to the Palestinian man 128 00:04:43,817 --> 00:04:46,019 working at the Laundromat on Grand Street? 129 00:04:46,053 --> 00:04:47,321 Fadi Abu Libdeh? 130 00:04:47,355 --> 00:04:50,358 He harasses the congregation walking to that synagogue 131 00:04:50,391 --> 00:04:51,659 on Saturdays. 132 00:04:51,692 --> 00:04:53,494 He says things to the children! 133 00:04:53,527 --> 00:04:55,596 Look, him being rude doesn't tie him 134 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:57,331 to this desecration. 135 00:04:57,365 --> 00:04:58,666 There was an arson at the Cultural Center 136 00:04:58,699 --> 00:04:59,800 on Forsythe Street last year. 137 00:04:59,833 --> 00:05:02,403 The police called him in for questioning. 138 00:05:02,436 --> 00:05:03,537 Was there an arrest? 139 00:05:03,571 --> 00:05:05,339 No. 140 00:05:05,373 --> 00:05:06,507 These people have lived in peace 141 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:08,442 on the Lower East Side for 100 years. 142 00:05:08,476 --> 00:05:09,710 The Arabs have opened up businesses. 143 00:05:09,743 --> 00:05:13,013 Now there is graffiti on the temples, insults. 144 00:05:13,046 --> 00:05:14,014 A fire? 145 00:05:14,047 --> 00:05:15,649 We'll talk to them. You better! 146 00:05:15,683 --> 00:05:18,786 Or I'm gonna raise hell like you've never seen before. 147 00:05:22,923 --> 00:05:25,659 Wow. 148 00:05:25,693 --> 00:05:27,060 With all due respect, Lieutenant, 149 00:05:27,094 --> 00:05:29,062 what does an Arab have to do 150 00:05:29,096 --> 00:05:30,631 with a dead white guy? 151 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:33,401 This wasn't some random murder. 152 00:05:33,434 --> 00:05:35,669 It's connected to that book. 153 00:05:35,703 --> 00:05:37,938 Figure out how. 154 00:05:40,941 --> 00:05:42,042 (Fadi) Who's saying these things about me? 155 00:05:42,075 --> 00:05:44,512 Do you yell insults at them or not? 156 00:05:44,545 --> 00:05:45,779 I have no interest in these people. 157 00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:47,415 Arabs, get out of here! 158 00:05:47,448 --> 00:05:49,417 Get out of here! 159 00:05:49,450 --> 00:05:50,818 I can see you're all good friends down here. 160 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:51,985 This is our store. 161 00:05:52,019 --> 00:05:53,687 I do laundry, that is all. 162 00:05:53,721 --> 00:05:54,888 What about the fire last year? 163 00:05:54,922 --> 00:05:56,490 I was cleared. 100%. 164 00:05:56,524 --> 00:05:57,591 Isn't this the flag of Hamas? 165 00:05:57,625 --> 00:05:58,859 It is a wall calendar. 166 00:05:58,892 --> 00:05:59,860 What does it mean to you? 167 00:05:59,893 --> 00:06:00,794 It tells me what day it is. 168 00:06:00,828 --> 00:06:02,763 And maybe how you feel about Jewish people? 169 00:06:02,796 --> 00:06:04,465 It's just a calendar. [cell phone rings] 170 00:06:04,498 --> 00:06:05,466 So it wouldn't spike your blood pressure 171 00:06:05,499 --> 00:06:07,435 if I threw it in the gutter. 172 00:06:07,468 --> 00:06:08,502 I may have a political disagreement 173 00:06:08,536 --> 00:06:11,439 with the people who illegally invaded my homeland, 174 00:06:11,472 --> 00:06:12,473 whose soldiers slaughtered-- 175 00:06:12,506 --> 00:06:14,608 If you have any involvement 176 00:06:14,642 --> 00:06:16,577 with the dead person at the synagogue, 177 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:18,746 let's get in front of it now. 178 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:21,181 He's no one I know. 179 00:06:21,214 --> 00:06:23,150 I heard it was a white guy. 180 00:06:23,183 --> 00:06:24,618 Okay, thanks. 181 00:06:24,652 --> 00:06:25,753 His name's Jeffrey Kilgore. 182 00:06:25,786 --> 00:06:27,921 For Jeffrey Kilgore, il-hamdu Allah. 183 00:06:27,955 --> 00:06:30,891 But I have nothing to do with this. 184 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:31,925 Excuse me. 185 00:06:33,026 --> 00:06:33,994 Jeffrey Kilgore? 186 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:34,995 Yeah, the prints came back. 187 00:06:35,028 --> 00:06:37,030 His last known was Patchogue in Suffolk County. 188 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:38,532 He did a bullet a few years back 189 00:06:38,566 --> 00:06:39,633 for commercial burglary. 190 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:40,601 Let's put a pin in this guy 191 00:06:40,634 --> 00:06:43,804 and see if anyone at synagogue knows Kilgore. 192 00:06:46,507 --> 00:06:49,042 Detectives, this is Father Royce. 193 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:50,077 And Imam Adjani. 194 00:06:50,110 --> 00:06:52,045 Sir. 195 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:53,514 Father. Sir. 196 00:06:53,547 --> 00:06:55,048 They came to offer their support 197 00:06:55,082 --> 00:06:56,717 in this terrible time. 198 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,586 We were hoping that we can ask you some questions 199 00:06:58,619 --> 00:07:00,921 privately, Rabbi. 200 00:07:00,954 --> 00:07:01,789 If you need anything, Rabbi. 201 00:07:01,822 --> 00:07:05,893 Let's all pray that cooler heads prevail. 202 00:07:11,699 --> 00:07:12,966 Rabbi, this is the man that was killed 203 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,067 outside your synagogue. 204 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:15,135 His name is Jeffrey Kilgore. 205 00:07:15,168 --> 00:07:19,006 I've never seen this man in my life. 206 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:22,209 Why would he come here and defile our shul like this? 207 00:07:22,242 --> 00:07:23,677 Well, our more immediate concern 208 00:07:23,711 --> 00:07:25,646 is why somebody would murder him. 209 00:07:25,679 --> 00:07:27,815 But surely it's no coincidence that he died 210 00:07:27,848 --> 00:07:30,250 holding a book from our sanctuary. 211 00:07:30,283 --> 00:07:32,152 This goes to a much larger issue. 212 00:07:32,185 --> 00:07:33,654 Would you mind if we saw the place 213 00:07:33,687 --> 00:07:34,722 where the book was kept? 214 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:39,693 After the incident, I found several torn pages 215 00:07:39,727 --> 00:07:41,829 scattered about here. 216 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:43,797 Exodus, chapter three. 217 00:07:43,831 --> 00:07:45,566 Moses and the burning bush. 218 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:47,167 Are you a religious man, Detective Green? 219 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,869 I was raised that way. 220 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:51,972 So what can you tell us about this Bible? 221 00:07:52,005 --> 00:07:53,941 It's a chumosh. 222 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:56,109 It's a copy of our Torah which we read from 223 00:07:56,143 --> 00:07:57,545 during the services. 224 00:07:57,578 --> 00:07:59,813 It's the lifeblood of our people. 225 00:07:59,847 --> 00:08:01,582 This one belonged to Barry Speicher 226 00:08:01,615 --> 00:08:03,751 who is the president of our congregation. 227 00:08:03,784 --> 00:08:05,753 He kept it on the bemah, right by his chair. 228 00:08:05,786 --> 00:08:08,922 Was this sanctuary in use yesterday morning, Rabbi? 229 00:08:08,956 --> 00:08:11,559 Morning prayers ended about 8:30. 230 00:08:11,592 --> 00:08:13,026 No one else in the building? 231 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:14,662 There were quite a few people upstairs. 232 00:08:14,695 --> 00:08:16,697 Teachers, children. 233 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:18,632 The girls in the synagogue office are on two. 234 00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:21,001 But...not down here. 235 00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:22,570 The man easily could have walked in here 236 00:08:22,603 --> 00:08:24,037 without anybody seeing him. 237 00:08:24,071 --> 00:08:25,205 So anybody could just walk through 238 00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:26,206 the front door? 239 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:27,741 We don't lock up until 240 00:08:27,775 --> 00:08:29,643 after evening service. 241 00:08:29,677 --> 00:08:31,745 We had a guard about five years ago 242 00:08:31,779 --> 00:08:33,246 when that neo-Nazi shot at the 243 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,215 Jewish schoolchildren in California. 244 00:08:35,248 --> 00:08:38,552 Thankfully that's not what this is about. 245 00:08:38,586 --> 00:08:40,253 But it was a man sending a message. 246 00:08:40,287 --> 00:08:44,224 We must always be vigilant. 247 00:08:45,593 --> 00:08:46,994 My father smuggled that chumosh 248 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:49,930 out of the Warsaw ghetto. 249 00:08:49,963 --> 00:08:53,834 He would have shot on sight if he was caught with it. 250 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:55,769 He hid it in a hayloft while he was on the run 251 00:08:55,803 --> 00:08:57,638 from the Nazis. 252 00:08:57,671 --> 00:09:01,208 35 years later, he went back to Poland. 253 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:03,911 He found it right where he left it. 254 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:07,147 My father passed away eight years ago. 255 00:09:07,180 --> 00:09:09,783 I read from that chumosh almost every day since. 256 00:09:09,817 --> 00:09:12,653 Listen, do you know this man? 257 00:09:12,686 --> 00:09:15,055 His name's Jeffrey Kilgore. 258 00:09:15,088 --> 00:09:17,591 No, is he the one who destroyed my book? 259 00:09:17,625 --> 00:09:18,892 You haven't seen him around the neighborhood at all? 260 00:09:18,926 --> 00:09:19,927 No. 261 00:09:20,961 --> 00:09:23,030 Have you talked to the man who shouts insults? 262 00:09:23,063 --> 00:09:24,698 The Palestinian? 263 00:09:24,732 --> 00:09:25,799 So far, we can't tie him to Kilgore. 264 00:09:25,833 --> 00:09:26,800 How about to everything else 265 00:09:26,834 --> 00:09:29,970 that's happened in this neighborhood recently? 266 00:09:30,003 --> 00:09:31,739 It's enough already. 267 00:09:31,772 --> 00:09:34,074 Our congregation has been on the Lower East Side 268 00:09:34,107 --> 00:09:36,710 since 1928. 269 00:09:36,744 --> 00:09:39,212 Maybe it's time to move on. 270 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:40,848 Well, we'll let you know 271 00:09:40,881 --> 00:09:43,717 if there's any new developments, all right? 272 00:09:46,219 --> 00:09:48,221 So where's the smart money? 273 00:09:48,255 --> 00:09:50,691 Somebody inside the building who caught Kilgore in the act? 274 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:52,793 Or somebody in the neighborhood who saw him coming out. 275 00:09:52,826 --> 00:09:53,961 What do you suggest, Detective? 276 00:09:53,994 --> 00:09:56,029 I say due diligence on Jeffrey Kilgore 277 00:09:56,063 --> 00:09:58,365 before we point any more fingers. 278 00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:02,836 (Green) Are you a relative? 279 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:04,371 Girlfriend. 280 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:06,006 We're sorry for your loss, Miss... 281 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:07,274 Kayla Watson. 282 00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:08,308 Miss Watson, what did your boyfriend 283 00:10:08,341 --> 00:10:09,309 do for a living? 284 00:10:09,342 --> 00:10:10,978 He was a mason. 285 00:10:11,011 --> 00:10:12,980 Stone walls, 286 00:10:13,013 --> 00:10:15,348 patios, stuff like that. 287 00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:19,386 This doesn't make any sense. 288 00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:22,690 They said on TV that Jeff tore up a Jewish Bible. 289 00:10:22,723 --> 00:10:26,259 Did he belong to any clubs or political groups? 290 00:10:26,293 --> 00:10:27,995 Political groups? 291 00:10:28,028 --> 00:10:29,697 People who might not think too kindly 292 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:30,964 of Jewish people. 293 00:10:30,998 --> 00:10:33,166 Jeff didn't have anything against them. 294 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,735 I mean, the ones he worked for 295 00:10:34,768 --> 00:10:36,169 would try to get out of their bills 296 00:10:36,203 --> 00:10:38,138 and say he didn't do the work right. 297 00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:42,710 But not all of them. Just sometimes. 298 00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:44,277 Like the rich ones in the Hamptons. 299 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:46,814 What was he doing in the city on Tuesday? 300 00:10:46,847 --> 00:10:48,782 I don't know. 301 00:10:48,816 --> 00:10:50,951 Did he have any friends or family there? 302 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:52,853 No, he hated New York. 303 00:10:52,886 --> 00:10:56,156 He wouldn't even go there to collect from a client. 304 00:10:56,189 --> 00:10:59,159 Some guy owed him money, he sent me to pick it up. 305 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:02,029 Who did you pick up from? 306 00:11:02,062 --> 00:11:04,431 I don't know his name. 307 00:11:04,464 --> 00:11:06,099 I just met him on a corner and he gave me cash. 308 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:08,301 $2,500. 309 00:11:08,335 --> 00:11:09,870 What did this guy look like? 310 00:11:09,903 --> 00:11:10,904 Shorter than Jeff. 311 00:11:10,938 --> 00:11:15,308 In his 30s or 40s. A Jewish guy. 312 00:11:15,342 --> 00:11:17,778 How do you know he was Jewish? 313 00:11:17,811 --> 00:11:18,812 I heard him talk. 314 00:11:18,846 --> 00:11:20,413 He was definitely a New York Jew. 315 00:11:23,751 --> 00:11:25,385 So did this man Kilgore belong to some 316 00:11:25,418 --> 00:11:27,054 anti-Semitic organization? 317 00:11:27,087 --> 00:11:29,056 We have no evidence of that. 318 00:11:29,089 --> 00:11:30,457 Rabbi, we're gonna wanna speak to the people 319 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:31,925 who were here at the time. 320 00:11:31,959 --> 00:11:33,026 Why? 321 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:34,795 You think somebody saw this and didn't come forward? 322 00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:37,064 The man was killed on your doorstep, Rabbi. 323 00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:39,733 You're saying you think it was someone here. 324 00:11:39,767 --> 00:11:41,869 Actually, we're gonna need the names 325 00:11:41,902 --> 00:11:43,203 and the addresses of all the members 326 00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:44,304 of your congregation. 327 00:11:44,337 --> 00:11:45,939 That's out of the question. 328 00:11:45,973 --> 00:11:47,340 We're not gonna supply the government 329 00:11:47,374 --> 00:11:48,909 with a list of people who worship here. 330 00:11:48,942 --> 00:11:51,378 We're investigating a murder, Rabbi. 331 00:11:51,411 --> 00:11:52,479 What the Rabbi's trying to say is, 332 00:11:52,512 --> 00:11:54,014 we're not authorized to disseminate 333 00:11:54,047 --> 00:11:55,749 personal information like that. 334 00:11:55,783 --> 00:11:58,986 You either help us solve this crime, 335 00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:01,221 or we're gonna bring it to the attention 336 00:12:01,254 --> 00:12:02,289 of the District Attorney's Office. 337 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:06,259 Go ahead, you're just here looking for a scapegoat. 338 00:12:08,962 --> 00:12:10,297 Michael, I'll call you back. 339 00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:13,433 This was just faxed to me from the mayor's office. 340 00:12:13,466 --> 00:12:16,970 It's a subpoena duces tecum to the Beth Tefiloh Synagogue 341 00:12:17,004 --> 00:12:18,438 for the names and address of any and all 342 00:12:18,471 --> 00:12:20,340 current members of the congregation. 343 00:12:20,373 --> 00:12:21,541 We needed to provide the police 344 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:23,510 with a finite list of suspects. 345 00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:26,313 It's a demand for a list of Jews, Alexandra. 346 00:12:26,346 --> 00:12:28,448 Sure, but if the murder scene was at a church, 347 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:30,250 we'd be asking for a list of Christians. 348 00:12:30,283 --> 00:12:33,186 Well, how about exercising a little historical sensitivity? 349 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:36,023 These aren't storm troopers, Arthur. 350 00:12:36,056 --> 00:12:38,892 They're police officers investigating a homicide. 351 00:12:38,926 --> 00:12:41,261 I'm getting calls from here to Tel Aviv on this case. 352 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,396 I want you to back off, withdraw the subpoena, 353 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:46,934 and tell the detectives to come up with plan B. 354 00:12:51,939 --> 00:12:53,240 The synagogue's newsletter says that there's 355 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:55,575 over 100 families in the congregation. 356 00:12:55,608 --> 00:12:57,177 Whose names we have no access to, 357 00:12:57,210 --> 00:12:58,511 thanks to the DA's office. 358 00:12:58,545 --> 00:12:59,813 And they won't get us a search warrant 359 00:12:59,847 --> 00:13:00,747 for the synagogue. 360 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:02,449 And the Rabbi has decided not to let us 361 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:03,851 back into the building. 362 00:13:03,884 --> 00:13:05,152 We're hitting brick walls left and right. 363 00:13:05,185 --> 00:13:08,321 Well, are you sure Kilgore was paid to do this? 364 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:10,457 When are we absolutely sure of anything? 365 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,125 The only political cause Kilgore had 366 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:14,227 were some posters from NASCAR. 367 00:13:14,261 --> 00:13:16,529 And nobody owed him that kind of money for masonry. 368 00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:17,965 Okay, but why would someone 369 00:13:17,998 --> 00:13:20,133 retain his services for this? 370 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:21,134 Maybe someone who had something 371 00:13:21,168 --> 00:13:22,870 against the congregation. 372 00:13:22,903 --> 00:13:25,438 Or a particular member. 373 00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:27,207 The book holds sentimental value 374 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,009 for the congregation's president. 375 00:13:29,042 --> 00:13:31,478 So if it's not political, maybe it's personal. 376 00:13:31,511 --> 00:13:33,914 Talk to Barry Speicher again. 377 00:13:36,984 --> 00:13:38,418 (Eric) Barry's downtown 378 00:13:38,451 --> 00:13:40,120 at a Preservation Committee hearing. 379 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:42,022 I'm his partner, Eric Speicher. 380 00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:43,323 You're his brother? 381 00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:44,457 Cousin. 382 00:13:44,491 --> 00:13:45,926 You guys here about Uncle Daniel's book? 383 00:13:45,959 --> 00:13:46,960 Well, and the murder. 384 00:13:46,994 --> 00:13:49,329 What a thing, huh? Makes me sick. 385 00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:51,231 The whole congregation's up in arms. 386 00:13:51,264 --> 00:13:53,233 Was your partner here on Tuesday morning? 387 00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:55,435 He got in around 10:00. Why? 388 00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:56,569 He seem okay to you? 389 00:13:56,603 --> 00:13:58,071 Yeah. Everything was cool. 390 00:13:58,105 --> 00:13:59,406 Did he having any ongoing problems 391 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:01,041 with anybody? 392 00:14:01,074 --> 00:14:02,943 Business disputes, tenant-landlord 393 00:14:02,976 --> 00:14:04,344 types of things? 394 00:14:04,377 --> 00:14:06,579 We hire a management firm for that. 395 00:14:06,613 --> 00:14:09,549 Keep it arm's length, so it's pretty low-key here. 396 00:14:09,582 --> 00:14:10,884 Ben-Daniel's a family company, 397 00:14:10,918 --> 00:14:12,319 as you can probably tell from the name. 398 00:14:12,352 --> 00:14:15,255 Ben and Daniel are your fathers. 399 00:14:15,288 --> 00:14:16,289 Yeah, it's a little old-fashioned, 400 00:14:16,323 --> 00:14:17,324 but we'd never change it. 401 00:14:17,357 --> 00:14:19,993 How about Barry's personal life? 402 00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:21,328 Fine, as far as I know. 403 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,596 Barry did have some issues in his first marriage, 404 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:25,132 but that was years ago. 405 00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:27,300 What kind of issues? 406 00:14:27,334 --> 00:14:28,902 His first wife couldn't have children. 407 00:14:28,936 --> 00:14:30,570 But Rachael's made him very happy. 408 00:14:30,603 --> 00:14:34,174 Five rugrats, unless I missed one. 409 00:14:34,207 --> 00:14:36,409 I lived in Philadelphia when my husband and I first met. 410 00:14:36,443 --> 00:14:38,478 We married nine years ago. 411 00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:41,114 Wow, you have a lot of kids. 412 00:14:41,148 --> 00:14:43,616 Uh, do you remember what time your husband left the house 413 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:45,618 last Tuesday, Mrs. Speicher? 414 00:14:45,652 --> 00:14:47,220 Uh, he was gone by 7:30. 415 00:14:47,254 --> 00:14:50,623 He always goes to morning services. 416 00:14:50,657 --> 00:14:52,292 That takes, what, about an hour? 417 00:14:52,325 --> 00:14:53,626 Except for Tuesdays. 418 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:54,962 He stays for a Talmud study 419 00:14:54,995 --> 00:14:56,263 with Rabbi Geller. 420 00:14:56,296 --> 00:14:58,231 Now, do you have any ideas who would wanna 421 00:14:58,265 --> 00:14:59,399 destroy this prayer book? 422 00:14:59,432 --> 00:15:01,234 Why would I know about any of this? 423 00:15:01,268 --> 00:15:03,403 Wasn't it somebody off the street? 424 00:15:03,436 --> 00:15:07,007 Has your husband had any difficulties recently? 425 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,141 Maybe with his first wife? 426 00:15:08,175 --> 00:15:09,542 I wouldn't really know. 427 00:15:09,576 --> 00:15:11,979 Barry's a good provider. 428 00:15:12,012 --> 00:15:16,116 Our life was fine until that man mutilated... 429 00:15:16,149 --> 00:15:19,519 Did Barry tell you where that Torah was from? 430 00:15:19,552 --> 00:15:25,225 I don't want my children to know that kind of hatred. 431 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:27,660 Tell me you guys have something for me. 432 00:15:27,694 --> 00:15:29,062 Barry Speicher's financial records. 433 00:15:29,096 --> 00:15:30,630 So far, the guy's a boy scout. 434 00:15:30,663 --> 00:15:31,698 But we can put him at the temple 435 00:15:31,731 --> 00:15:32,732 at the time of the murder. 436 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:34,534 His charge accounts look spotless. 437 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:36,136 There's contributions to a half a dozen 438 00:15:36,169 --> 00:15:38,138 Jewish charities every month. 439 00:15:38,171 --> 00:15:40,273 And flowers to his wife every Friday. 440 00:15:40,307 --> 00:15:41,674 He's either a saint or a sinner. 441 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:42,976 Hey, check this out. 442 00:15:43,010 --> 00:15:44,111 This is his personal bank account. 443 00:15:44,144 --> 00:15:46,346 $400 withdrawals from the same ATM 444 00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:48,415 every Thursday night like clockwork. 445 00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:49,616 Cash for the weekend. 446 00:15:49,649 --> 00:15:51,184 The Orthodox don't bank on their Sabbath. 447 00:15:51,218 --> 00:15:53,320 No, but the location's not Speicher's normal 448 00:15:53,353 --> 00:15:55,055 stomping ground. 449 00:15:55,088 --> 00:15:57,557 It's 545 West 23rd. 450 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:58,625 545? 451 00:15:58,658 --> 00:16:01,294 I handled a double homicide in the hotel next door. 452 00:16:01,328 --> 00:16:03,096 It's a "gentlemen's club." 453 00:16:03,130 --> 00:16:05,398 Four Benjis buys a whole lot of lap dances. 454 00:16:05,432 --> 00:16:06,433 Or something even better. 455 00:16:06,466 --> 00:16:07,667 A regular girl. 456 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,137 We're missing a piece on Barry Speicher. 457 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:12,172 Catch him away from his Rabbi. 458 00:16:12,205 --> 00:16:14,741 We might be able to fill it in. 459 00:16:25,252 --> 00:16:26,753 Is Barry here yet? 460 00:16:26,786 --> 00:16:28,188 Barry who? Barry Speicher. 461 00:16:28,221 --> 00:16:29,189 He asked us to meet him here. 462 00:16:29,222 --> 00:16:30,057 Never heard of him. 463 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:32,292 Maybe we should take this conversation 464 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:34,127 out front so everyone can see how much 465 00:16:34,161 --> 00:16:35,795 you're enjoying yourselves. 466 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:39,332 Barry had to make a shivah call. 467 00:16:39,366 --> 00:16:41,268 This is about his chumosh, isn't it? 468 00:16:41,301 --> 00:16:42,669 Our holy book was defiled. 469 00:16:42,702 --> 00:16:44,271 Someone should be held accountable. 470 00:16:45,705 --> 00:16:47,140 What do you know about it? 471 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:48,541 Just that it happened. 472 00:16:48,575 --> 00:16:50,643 And the goy responsible is dead. 473 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:53,180 So why did Barry miss this little celebration? 474 00:16:53,213 --> 00:16:54,247 I'm serious. 475 00:16:54,281 --> 00:16:55,748 He's really making a shivah call. 476 00:16:55,782 --> 00:16:57,684 And he wouldn't skip this obligation 477 00:16:57,717 --> 00:16:59,452 to cry on his girlfriend's shoulder? 478 00:16:59,486 --> 00:17:00,787 There's no girlfriend. 479 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:03,223 He just comes in to relax, like the rest of us. 480 00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:06,626 The Rebbes say a happy husband makes a happy marriage. 481 00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:08,195 Which Barry has. 482 00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:09,796 His only flaw is being too trusting. 483 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:11,498 He should learn to put a lock on his building 484 00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:13,233 so things like this don't happen. 485 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:14,667 His building? The synagogue? 486 00:17:14,701 --> 00:17:18,571 He owns it. Him and his cousin. 487 00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,307 It's not a secret. 488 00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:22,242 Our congregation rents this property 489 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:24,377 from the Speichers' company. 490 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:25,745 Ben-Daniel Realty? 491 00:17:25,778 --> 00:17:27,314 They've been charging us the same rent 492 00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:30,617 since Daniel and Ben bought this place in 1952. 493 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:32,252 Which is what? 494 00:17:32,285 --> 00:17:34,287 $800 a month. 495 00:17:34,321 --> 00:17:35,322 For the whole building? 496 00:17:35,355 --> 00:17:36,856 We couldn't afford to operate here 497 00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:39,426 if we had to pay market rent. 498 00:17:39,459 --> 00:17:41,394 The Speichers could get 100 times that. 499 00:17:41,428 --> 00:17:43,796 Evicting your own synagogue must get you 500 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:44,864 in trouble with the man upstairs. 501 00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:47,200 It's forbidden by the Talmud. 502 00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:50,303 It's quite a mitzvah that Barry is doing for us. 503 00:17:50,337 --> 00:17:51,304 How about Eric? 504 00:17:51,338 --> 00:17:53,406 Eric. 505 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,108 After his Uncle Daniel died, 506 00:17:55,142 --> 00:17:56,676 Eric stopped coming to services. 507 00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:59,446 He doesn't even buy a seat on the High Holy Days. 508 00:17:59,479 --> 00:18:01,381 I tried talking to him about it. 509 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,283 He's not interested. 510 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:08,288 I already told you everything I know. 511 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:09,389 Yeah, like you said you were still 512 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:11,158 a member of the congregation. 513 00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:12,159 I never said that. 514 00:18:12,192 --> 00:18:13,360 You led us to believe that. 515 00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:15,162 Are you accusing my husband of misleading you? 516 00:18:15,195 --> 00:18:17,697 We're accusing him of lying. 517 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:19,432 I think we should continue this conversation 518 00:18:19,466 --> 00:18:20,433 at the precinct. 519 00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:21,701 Then let's go. 520 00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:23,370 Eric... 521 00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:24,504 Don't worry, baby, this is all 522 00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:25,772 just a big misunderstanding. 523 00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:28,308 Let me go clear it up. 524 00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:32,312 Why did you make it seem like 525 00:18:32,345 --> 00:18:34,347 you gave a damn about that book? 526 00:18:34,381 --> 00:18:37,184 You think I don't care? 527 00:18:37,217 --> 00:18:38,651 My Uncle Daniel and my father 528 00:18:38,685 --> 00:18:39,519 were Holocaust survivors. 529 00:18:39,552 --> 00:18:41,721 This is the holiest book in our religion. 530 00:18:41,754 --> 00:18:43,823 Which you don't even use anymore. 531 00:18:43,856 --> 00:18:45,425 I'm sorry, are you attacking my beliefs now? 532 00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:46,659 Don't get all high and mighty with us. 533 00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:48,861 Sit down. 534 00:18:48,895 --> 00:18:50,463 We know you don't go to synagogue 535 00:18:50,497 --> 00:18:51,898 and we know how you livin'. 536 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,236 You'll like this. 537 00:18:56,269 --> 00:18:57,670 Oh. 538 00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:59,472 You wanna tell us about the home that you own 539 00:18:59,506 --> 00:19:01,208 in Southampton? 540 00:19:01,241 --> 00:19:03,210 Home of the "Muffies" and the "Maxwells"? 541 00:19:03,243 --> 00:19:05,178 That was 20 years ago, okay? 542 00:19:05,212 --> 00:19:06,213 There are plenty of Jews there now. 543 00:19:06,246 --> 00:19:09,349 And I'm sure that all use the same ex-burglar 544 00:19:09,382 --> 00:19:10,850 that you used to build your patio. 545 00:19:10,883 --> 00:19:12,952 We're gonna bring in Kilgore's girlfriend 546 00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:15,188 from Long Island. Maybe you met her before. 547 00:19:15,222 --> 00:19:16,689 I might have, I know people in construction. 548 00:19:21,461 --> 00:19:24,664 Last week at 86th and Columbus? 549 00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:28,701 Okay. Okay. 550 00:19:32,639 --> 00:19:34,507 I paid Kilgore to go to the synagogue 551 00:19:34,541 --> 00:19:35,742 and mess up the book. 552 00:19:35,775 --> 00:19:38,811 Why? 553 00:19:38,845 --> 00:19:41,514 The synagogue got tagged a few times. 554 00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:42,915 There have been a lot of problems 555 00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:44,451 in the neighborhood with the Arabs. 556 00:19:44,484 --> 00:19:45,918 Barry's been threatening to sell the building 557 00:19:45,952 --> 00:19:47,554 and move the congregation, but he won't get off his ass 558 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:48,521 and do it. 559 00:19:48,555 --> 00:19:50,857 You used this as a prod to get him to sell it? 560 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:53,660 You know what we got offered for that building recently? 561 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:55,328 $15 million. 562 00:19:55,362 --> 00:19:57,764 So you paid somebody to destroy the Bible. 563 00:19:57,797 --> 00:19:59,599 It's a book! 564 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:01,368 You a book you just said your cousin's father 565 00:20:01,401 --> 00:20:02,702 saved from the Nazis. 566 00:20:02,735 --> 00:20:03,703 Oh please--you know, Barry's religion's 567 00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:04,871 all about him. 568 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:06,573 He loves to sit up there in that bemah 569 00:20:06,606 --> 00:20:07,674 and feel important. 570 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:08,708 Every Rosh Hashanah, he'll brag 571 00:20:08,741 --> 00:20:10,410 to anybody who'll listen about how 572 00:20:10,443 --> 00:20:11,878 he's leaving the business 573 00:20:11,911 --> 00:20:13,446 and moving to Israel. 574 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,647 Yeah, well, guess what? 575 00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:16,383 After five years of hearing that crap, 576 00:20:16,416 --> 00:20:17,484 I got tired of waiting. 577 00:20:17,517 --> 00:20:18,751 So you sent Kilgore there 578 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:19,952 to get his head beaten in. 579 00:20:19,986 --> 00:20:23,356 It wasn't supposed to happen like that. 580 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:26,326 How did you work this out with Kilgore? 581 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,328 Barry's in a study group on Tuesday mornings. 582 00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:30,563 I called his cell phone to tell him 583 00:20:30,597 --> 00:20:31,831 there was an emergency at work. 584 00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:35,435 So he'd be the one to find the book. 585 00:20:35,468 --> 00:20:37,537 I had no idea anybody would get hurt. 586 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:39,306 Beside your cousin. 587 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,309 Beside my cousin. 588 00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:48,948 [Rabbi singing] 589 00:20:48,981 --> 00:20:50,450 You're interrupting, Detectives. 590 00:20:50,483 --> 00:20:51,584 We have a warrant, Rabbi. 591 00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:52,552 We need to see Mr. Speicher. 592 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:54,721 We're in the middle of Marev, can't this wait? 593 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:55,755 No. What happened? 594 00:20:55,788 --> 00:20:56,923 We had a talk with your cousin. 595 00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:59,025 We found blood on the umbrella stand in the coatroom. 596 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:00,993 That bastard did this, didn't he? 597 00:21:01,027 --> 00:21:02,329 You're under arrest for the murder 598 00:21:02,362 --> 00:21:04,030 of Jeffrey Kilgore. 599 00:21:04,063 --> 00:21:06,699 Can we please take this outside? 600 00:21:06,733 --> 00:21:09,369 Too much has happened in here already. 601 00:21:14,073 --> 00:21:16,409 Docket number 5-7-5-03. 602 00:21:16,443 --> 00:21:18,778 People v. Barry Speicher. 603 00:21:18,811 --> 00:21:22,449 Charge of Murder in the Second Degree. 604 00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:23,983 How do you plead, Mr. Speicher? 605 00:21:24,016 --> 00:21:25,452 Not guilty. 606 00:21:25,485 --> 00:21:26,786 Co-owner of a real estate firm? 607 00:21:26,819 --> 00:21:28,788 President of his congregation. 608 00:21:28,821 --> 00:21:29,989 He looks like a pretty good 609 00:21:30,022 --> 00:21:31,358 bail risk to me. 610 00:21:31,391 --> 00:21:32,625 But he does have contacts in Israel. 611 00:21:32,659 --> 00:21:33,760 You wanna hold that against him? 612 00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:35,628 Mr. Speicher had an obvious motive 613 00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:37,730 and an exclusive opportunity 614 00:21:37,764 --> 00:21:38,931 to commit this crime. 615 00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:41,033 The police recovered an umbrella stand 616 00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:42,569 from Beth Tefiloh with traces 617 00:21:42,602 --> 00:21:43,870 of the victim's blood. 618 00:21:43,903 --> 00:21:45,505 And the defendant's fingerprints all over it. 619 00:21:45,538 --> 00:21:47,374 (Molloy) Along with God knows who else's. 620 00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:48,508 Let me remind the court that the so-called 621 00:21:48,541 --> 00:21:49,509 victim in this incident 622 00:21:49,542 --> 00:21:51,811 was a burglar who desecrated 623 00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:52,879 the holiest Judaic text. 624 00:21:52,912 --> 00:21:56,583 License to murder him in the street, Mr. Malloy? 625 00:21:56,616 --> 00:21:58,451 Whoever killed Mr. Kilgore was obviously 626 00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:00,920 responding to the severest form of provocation. 627 00:22:00,953 --> 00:22:03,356 Perhaps justifiably so. 628 00:22:03,390 --> 00:22:06,726 Uh, for the record... 629 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:10,096 my client intends to testify at the grand jury. 630 00:22:10,129 --> 00:22:12,732 I'm sure Ms. Borgia can arrange that. 631 00:22:12,765 --> 00:22:14,367 I won't set a parade for you yet, Mr. Speicher. 632 00:22:14,401 --> 00:22:15,368 Turn over your passport. 633 00:22:15,402 --> 00:22:17,704 I'll set bail at a quarter million dollars. 634 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:20,707 Barry Speicher made bail right after arraignment. 635 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:22,074 I booked some time in the grand jury 636 00:22:22,108 --> 00:22:23,543 to present the case. 637 00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:25,978 Your sense is that Speicher's grand jury notice 638 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:27,547 isn't a bluff. 639 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:28,915 It sounds like a prelude to some kind of 640 00:22:28,948 --> 00:22:30,483 justification defense. 641 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:31,784 I was protecting a book. 642 00:22:31,818 --> 00:22:34,053 More like I was protecting our faith. 643 00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:37,089 From his cousin's blasphemy for hire. 644 00:22:37,123 --> 00:22:38,458 You weren't in the courtroom, Jack. 645 00:22:38,491 --> 00:22:40,059 This isn't playing like a family dispute. 646 00:22:40,092 --> 00:22:42,829 Speicher's... some kind of hero. 647 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:46,165 Speicher's justification defense won't hold water. 648 00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:48,435 Inside the courtroom, maybe. 649 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:50,470 Have we had any plea discussions with Malloy? 650 00:22:50,503 --> 00:22:51,504 None. 651 00:22:51,538 --> 00:22:52,505 Well, set something up. 652 00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:53,506 What are you looking for? 653 00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:54,807 Man one. 654 00:22:54,841 --> 00:22:56,809 Sentence somewhere near the minimum. 655 00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:59,979 I don't know if that'll do it for me, Arthur. 656 00:23:00,012 --> 00:23:01,848 These cousins have done a lot of damage. 657 00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:04,050 Well, you don't have to tell me. 658 00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:08,087 That's why we need to do some fence mending. 659 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,089 (Malloy) I got my best suit dry-cleaned. 660 00:23:10,122 --> 00:23:12,559 I was expecting to be at the grand jury tomorrow 661 00:23:12,592 --> 00:23:14,461 with my client. 662 00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:16,529 You may still have a chance to wear it, Mr. Malloy, 663 00:23:16,563 --> 00:23:18,130 but I thought we should explore 664 00:23:18,164 --> 00:23:19,732 whether there's any common ground 665 00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:22,602 before we throw down the gauntlet. 666 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:24,136 The only common ground for my client 667 00:23:24,170 --> 00:23:25,171 is a dismissal. 668 00:23:26,539 --> 00:23:27,640 Do you think you should walk away 669 00:23:27,674 --> 00:23:29,008 scot-free, Mr. Speicher? 670 00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,010 I'm not a criminal. 671 00:23:31,043 --> 00:23:33,145 You beat somebody to death. 672 00:23:33,179 --> 00:23:35,615 Are you a religious man, Mr. McCoy? 673 00:23:35,648 --> 00:23:38,217 That's beside the point. 674 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:39,486 I don't think you can fully wrap your head 675 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:40,487 around what happened here. 676 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,889 Then talk to me, Mr. Malloy. 677 00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:44,991 Imagine finding someone defiling the place 678 00:23:45,024 --> 00:23:45,925 where you pray. 679 00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:48,728 Mutilating the cornerstone of your faith. 680 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:50,897 I would be very upset, but that doesn't-- 681 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,231 Spare me the sanctimony. 682 00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:54,501 We all know Mr. Speicher isn't a boy scout. 683 00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:56,035 (Malloy) This isn't just about faith. 684 00:23:56,068 --> 00:23:57,537 This is about family. 685 00:23:57,570 --> 00:24:00,807 Kilgore trashed his father's legacy. 686 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,908 If that's your defense, you're doing 687 00:24:01,941 --> 00:24:03,242 a disservice to your client. 688 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:06,112 The justification statute doesn't cover a Bible 689 00:24:06,145 --> 00:24:07,514 or a memory. 690 00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:10,983 It's about defending an actual human being. 691 00:24:11,017 --> 00:24:12,051 But I think that we can all agree 692 00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:14,887 that Mr. Speicher acted in the heat of the moment. 693 00:24:14,921 --> 00:24:16,088 He hammered Kilgore with the 10-pound 694 00:24:16,122 --> 00:24:18,057 marble base of an umbrella stand 695 00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:19,792 and left him to bleed to death. 696 00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:23,496 And I admit that, but he had the book. 697 00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:24,864 So what does the Bible you defended 698 00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:26,933 deem appropriate, Mr. Speicher? 699 00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:27,934 A free pass? 700 00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:30,770 Of course not. 701 00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:32,004 Because maybe the book is more precious 702 00:24:32,038 --> 00:24:34,240 than a human life! 703 00:24:40,713 --> 00:24:43,182 So if I'm found guilty, how much time could I do? 704 00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:45,952 On murder two, 25 to life. 705 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:49,522 I have a wife, I have five children 706 00:24:49,556 --> 00:24:50,857 whose Bar Mitzvahs I'll miss. 707 00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:51,924 Weddings-- 708 00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:53,292 A plea to manslaughter would solve 709 00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,127 most of those problems. 710 00:24:58,731 --> 00:25:00,032 You'll recommend the minimum? 711 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:02,535 Five years, straight time. 712 00:25:07,574 --> 00:25:09,642 Today only. 713 00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:17,116 I guess that's fair. 714 00:25:20,286 --> 00:25:22,989 When do you wanna calendar Speicher's sentencing? 715 00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,324 Give him a month or two to get his affairs in order. 716 00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:27,827 She insisted on speaking to you, Alexandra. 717 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:29,161 I'm Barry Speicher's wife. 718 00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:30,029 I know. 719 00:25:30,062 --> 00:25:31,964 What can I do for you, Mrs. Speicher? 720 00:25:31,998 --> 00:25:33,866 My husband told me he's going to jail 721 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:35,034 for five years? 722 00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:38,137 He agreed to it. It was a plea bargain. 723 00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:39,872 My husband is a good man. 724 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:41,007 A family man. 725 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,108 I'm sure that he is. 726 00:25:42,141 --> 00:25:44,143 And now, because he can't work, 727 00:25:44,176 --> 00:25:45,845 we have to sell the synagogue. 728 00:25:45,878 --> 00:25:47,814 I'm sorry about that. 729 00:25:47,847 --> 00:25:49,616 What about the congregation? 730 00:25:49,649 --> 00:25:51,283 I don't know what's going to happen. 731 00:25:51,317 --> 00:25:52,885 But his cousin? 732 00:25:52,919 --> 00:25:54,754 Yeah, he got everything he wanted. 733 00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:56,789 First he sent that man into our shul. 734 00:25:56,823 --> 00:25:58,691 Paid him to use our chumosh... 735 00:25:58,725 --> 00:26:02,161 like toilet paper. 736 00:26:02,194 --> 00:26:04,363 That's our religion, Ms. Borgia. 737 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:07,299 And for doing that 738 00:26:07,333 --> 00:26:10,169 to his own people, you know what Eric gets? 739 00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:13,272 $7 million. 740 00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:18,678 That's all I want to say. 741 00:26:24,751 --> 00:26:26,252 He hired a man to mutilate a book. 742 00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:27,954 That doesn't translate into a homicide. 743 00:26:27,987 --> 00:26:30,322 Kilgore died because Eric Speicher's actions 744 00:26:30,356 --> 00:26:32,324 placed him in peril. It's manslaughter. 745 00:26:32,358 --> 00:26:33,926 He could foresee that his cousin 746 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,728 was gonna fly into a violent rage? 747 00:26:35,762 --> 00:26:37,196 That was his stated purpose. 748 00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:39,165 Without the homicide. 749 00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:40,800 You were out of the fire, now you wanna 750 00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:42,068 jump back into the frying pan. 751 00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:44,170 Kilgore's dead because Eric Speicher 752 00:26:44,203 --> 00:26:48,641 aimed the most powerful gun he could find at him. 753 00:26:48,675 --> 00:26:50,076 Religious fervor. 754 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:53,212 The nitroglycerine of the 21st century. 755 00:26:53,245 --> 00:26:55,181 That's what makes me so nervous. 756 00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:57,283 The Torah's been desecrated and the only people 757 00:26:57,316 --> 00:26:58,885 who are going to jail are Jewish. 758 00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:01,320 What Eric Speicher did is unconscionable. 759 00:27:01,353 --> 00:27:02,822 If we can't go after the bad guys, 760 00:27:02,855 --> 00:27:04,256 what's the point? 761 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,325 I'm all for going after the bad guys 762 00:27:06,358 --> 00:27:08,761 if we've got a legal theory to hang our hat on. 763 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:10,863 I'll tell you what. 764 00:27:10,897 --> 00:27:13,365 I'll handle the law if you'll handle 765 00:27:13,399 --> 00:27:15,835 the political fallout. 766 00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:19,005 And we can remind ourselves how noble our motives were 767 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:20,339 as we're both sitting around 768 00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:23,309 waiting for outplacement counseling. 769 00:27:26,445 --> 00:27:28,147 Manslaughter? 770 00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:31,718 You are pulling this one so far out of your-- 771 00:27:31,751 --> 00:27:32,852 It's textbook recklessness. 772 00:27:32,885 --> 00:27:34,821 Your client should have considered the consequences 773 00:27:34,854 --> 00:27:37,957 when he retained Kilgore to burglarize the synagogue 774 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:39,926 and desecrate a family Bible. 775 00:27:39,959 --> 00:27:43,429 Look, I admit I did a terrible thing. 776 00:27:43,462 --> 00:27:44,964 Never mind that a man was killed. 777 00:27:44,997 --> 00:27:46,332 You nearly started a race riot. 778 00:27:46,365 --> 00:27:48,067 I never thought it would turn out like that. 779 00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:48,935 (Borgia) Have you read the front page 780 00:27:48,968 --> 00:27:52,038 of a newspaper lately, Mr. Speicher? 781 00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:55,107 You used religious paranoia to shake down your cousin. 782 00:27:55,141 --> 00:27:57,877 And the bottom line is, you acted out of greed. 783 00:27:57,910 --> 00:28:00,012 You think it's that simple? 784 00:28:00,046 --> 00:28:03,249 From where I sit, it's about $7 million. 785 00:28:05,484 --> 00:28:06,819 I've been treated like garbage because 786 00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:10,022 I won't buy into what they believe. 787 00:28:10,056 --> 00:28:13,125 My father had to pay my Uncle Daniel 788 00:28:13,159 --> 00:28:15,061 to make me a partner. 789 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:16,763 My holier-than-thou cousin, 790 00:28:16,796 --> 00:28:18,965 he wouldn't even come to my wedding. 791 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:21,267 His family won't eat what my wife makes. 792 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:22,902 They bring their own food and paper plates. 793 00:28:22,935 --> 00:28:23,903 Eric... 794 00:28:23,936 --> 00:28:24,871 Why do--no! 795 00:28:24,904 --> 00:28:26,873 Why do have to live my life by their rules? 796 00:28:26,906 --> 00:28:29,175 You can live any way you want to, Mr. Speicher. 797 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:32,111 You don't have to savage other peoples' values. 798 00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:33,980 All this self-righteous hand-wringing. 799 00:28:34,013 --> 00:28:35,447 "Oh, my father's sacred book. 800 00:28:35,481 --> 00:28:37,183 He saved it from the Nazis." 801 00:28:37,216 --> 00:28:38,450 Please, okay? 802 00:28:38,484 --> 00:28:40,186 My Uncle Daniel was a hondler. 803 00:28:40,219 --> 00:28:41,921 A businessman. 804 00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:43,289 He survived on his wits. 805 00:28:43,322 --> 00:28:44,456 In the Warsaw Ghetto, 806 00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:45,825 he would have traded that book 807 00:28:45,858 --> 00:28:47,794 for three potatoes. 808 00:28:47,827 --> 00:28:49,128 And desecrating your cousin's Bible 809 00:28:49,161 --> 00:28:51,230 was gonna get you your three potatoes. 810 00:28:51,263 --> 00:28:54,166 I thought maybe they'd get scared and move. 811 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,804 And a part of me just wanted to lash out against Barry. 812 00:28:57,837 --> 00:29:00,439 But... 813 00:29:00,472 --> 00:29:05,111 I never expected...this. 814 00:29:08,014 --> 00:29:11,083 So what can you do for us, Mr. McCoy? 815 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:12,518 The same thing we do for a drunk driver 816 00:29:12,551 --> 00:29:15,888 who causes a fatality. 817 00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:19,826 Reckless manslaughter. Six years. 818 00:29:19,859 --> 00:29:23,095 But I didn't kill anybody. 819 00:29:25,832 --> 00:29:29,201 That's why we have trials. 820 00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:34,073 (Borgia) We'll call you to the stand last, Mr. Speicher. 821 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:36,242 We'll put in all the pieces with our other witnesses 822 00:29:36,275 --> 00:29:37,810 and then you'll tie it all together. 823 00:29:37,844 --> 00:29:38,845 Okay. 824 00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:40,346 You'll have to be totally truthful 825 00:29:40,379 --> 00:29:41,447 about what you did to Jeff Kilgore. 826 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,182 I have no problem with that, 827 00:29:43,215 --> 00:29:45,084 as long as I get to say what Eric did. 828 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:47,887 We'll get most of that in through the other witnesses. 829 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,122 Your testimony is primarily to establish 830 00:29:50,156 --> 00:29:51,290 Eric's motive. 831 00:29:51,323 --> 00:29:52,859 Can I tell how he hated our religion? 832 00:29:52,892 --> 00:29:55,527 Facts, Mr. Speicher. 833 00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:57,063 That the only reason he ever set foot 834 00:29:57,096 --> 00:29:58,898 in Beth Tefiloh was so my father'd give him 835 00:29:58,931 --> 00:29:59,966 a piece of the business. 836 00:29:59,999 --> 00:30:03,235 We want to focus on your strained relationship. 837 00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:05,004 Can I testify about the time that son of a bitch 838 00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:06,038 threatened to kill me? 839 00:30:06,072 --> 00:30:08,407 Look, Mr. Speicher, 840 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,876 you can't come off like a hothead. 841 00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:11,377 The whole idea here, is that even though 842 00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:13,279 you killed somebody, you've also been victimized 843 00:30:13,312 --> 00:30:14,847 by your cousin's actions. 844 00:30:14,881 --> 00:30:15,982 It wasn't just me. 845 00:30:16,015 --> 00:30:18,517 Can I tell about all the arguments we had 846 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:20,552 over the synagogue? 847 00:30:20,586 --> 00:30:23,990 Let's go over these things one by one. 848 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:30,062 Jeff asked me to go into the city 849 00:30:30,096 --> 00:30:32,164 and pick up some money some guy owned him. 850 00:30:32,198 --> 00:30:34,266 (McCoy) Did he say what for? 851 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,035 A job. 852 00:30:36,068 --> 00:30:38,104 He was supposed to get $2,500 up front. 853 00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,239 What instructions did Jeff give you 854 00:30:40,272 --> 00:30:42,074 for the meeting? 855 00:30:42,108 --> 00:30:43,976 Just to go to the corner of 86th and Columbus. 856 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:46,045 The guy would know what I looked like 857 00:30:46,078 --> 00:30:47,579 and he'd give me the cash. 858 00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:48,614 (McCoy) And did you go there? 859 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:49,415 Yeah. 860 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:51,483 Do you see the man you met that day 861 00:30:51,517 --> 00:30:52,551 in the courtroom? 862 00:30:52,584 --> 00:30:54,987 Yeah. Him. 863 00:30:55,021 --> 00:30:56,956 The defendant. 864 00:30:56,989 --> 00:30:58,357 (McCoy) Did Mr. Speicher say anything to you 865 00:30:58,390 --> 00:31:00,026 at that time? 866 00:31:00,059 --> 00:31:02,428 To make sure I tell Jeff that the job needs to be done 867 00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:05,231 on Tuesday at 9:30, or else he wouldn't get 868 00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:07,433 the rest of the money. 869 00:31:07,466 --> 00:31:09,936 He set up my boyfriend to be killed. 870 00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:15,241 A group of men from our congregation 871 00:31:15,274 --> 00:31:17,609 meet every Tuesday morning at 8:45 872 00:31:17,643 --> 00:31:19,478 for Talmudic study. 873 00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:22,214 Barry Speicher was one of the group. 874 00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:25,084 How long do these sessions last, Rabbi Geller? 875 00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:27,153 An hour. 876 00:31:27,186 --> 00:31:31,958 So Barry Speicher would leave every Tuesday at 9:45? 877 00:31:31,991 --> 00:31:33,359 Usually, but this morning, 878 00:31:33,392 --> 00:31:36,362 he had a call on his mobile phone at 9:30. 879 00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:38,664 He said it was an emergency, 880 00:31:38,697 --> 00:31:41,633 and he had to leave. 881 00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:44,036 People's D. 882 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:45,671 Do you recognize this book, Rabbi? 883 00:31:45,704 --> 00:31:48,174 Yes, that was Barry's chumosh. 884 00:31:48,207 --> 00:31:50,176 He kept it in the sanctuary. 885 00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:53,045 Are you aware of the history of this book? 886 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,714 Yes, it belonged to Barry's father Daniel, 887 00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:57,649 who was also a member of the congregation 888 00:31:57,683 --> 00:31:59,518 before he passed away. 889 00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:01,287 (McCoy) And how did his father come by this book? 890 00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:07,526 You traveled with Daniel Speicher 891 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,596 to Poland to retrieve this book, didn't you? 892 00:32:10,629 --> 00:32:16,368 I traveled with Daniel to Poland in 1978, yes. 893 00:32:16,402 --> 00:32:20,572 Could you please elaborate, Rabbi? 894 00:32:20,606 --> 00:32:25,011 We drove to a village near Warsaw 895 00:32:25,044 --> 00:32:29,015 called...Glogowek. 896 00:32:29,048 --> 00:32:32,418 Daniel had passed through there in 1943 897 00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,653 as he was running away from the Nazis. 898 00:32:34,686 --> 00:32:36,122 We went to find where he hid 899 00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:37,990 the chumosh. 900 00:32:38,024 --> 00:32:39,591 Daniel had wrapped it in canvas 901 00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:42,561 so he was very sure that it would still be there. 902 00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:45,364 But when we drove down that road, 903 00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:48,567 the farm was gone. 904 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,336 It was a tire factory. 905 00:32:56,342 --> 00:32:59,078 Why didn't you ever mention this before, Rabbi? 906 00:32:59,111 --> 00:33:02,714 I've wrestled with this since the chumosh 907 00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:04,050 was destroyed. 908 00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:07,686 I know how hard it's going to be. 909 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:09,521 But with everything that's happened, 910 00:33:09,555 --> 00:33:11,357 I think it's finally time for the congregation 911 00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:12,624 to know the truth. 912 00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:16,628 So where did this book come from? 913 00:33:19,598 --> 00:33:22,068 It was purchased in a bookshop in Warsaw 914 00:33:22,101 --> 00:33:24,770 before Daniel and I left Poland. 915 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,614 No one knew about this 'til now. 916 00:33:35,647 --> 00:33:37,316 Not even his own family. 917 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:40,018 Why did you go along with this deception? 918 00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:47,159 How do I explain this to you, Mr. McCoy? 919 00:33:47,193 --> 00:33:49,361 The Bible is full of stories 920 00:33:49,395 --> 00:33:51,297 that may be apocryphal. 921 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:54,633 Do we believe that Methuselah lived 900 years? 922 00:33:54,666 --> 00:33:57,303 Or that Moses parted the Red Sea? 923 00:33:57,336 --> 00:34:00,339 Their truth is in the inspiration 924 00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:02,374 that we gather from them. 925 00:34:02,408 --> 00:34:06,545 And this particular book inspired a lot of people. 926 00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:08,347 Even if it isn't the same book, 927 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:11,450 it's a symbol of our survival. 928 00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:13,685 And I don't see what's wrong with that. 929 00:34:34,206 --> 00:34:35,407 Big surprise in there. 930 00:34:35,441 --> 00:34:36,408 And second thoughts, Jack? 931 00:34:36,442 --> 00:34:37,376 None. 932 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:38,777 Your client was acting under the assumption 933 00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:40,179 that that book was genuine. 934 00:34:40,212 --> 00:34:41,813 Look what this religious stuff does to people. 935 00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:44,683 Wasn't it enough that my uncle survived? 936 00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:47,219 Why did he have to come home with a fake book? 937 00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:48,887 I don't know, Mr. Speicher, 938 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,690 but none of it justifies what you did. 939 00:34:54,893 --> 00:34:57,796 As I was leaving the synagogue that morning, 940 00:34:57,829 --> 00:35:00,699 I saw the torn pages of a chumosh 941 00:35:00,732 --> 00:35:02,768 on the floor. 942 00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:05,371 Then I heard pages ripping. 943 00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:07,806 Then I saw a man tearing apart 944 00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:09,175 my father's book. 945 00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:11,343 What did you do? 946 00:35:11,377 --> 00:35:13,345 I screamed at him, "What are you doing?" 947 00:35:13,379 --> 00:35:16,215 He ran toward the door with the book in his hands. 948 00:35:16,248 --> 00:35:18,884 I picked up an umbrella stand 949 00:35:18,917 --> 00:35:20,386 and went after him. 950 00:35:20,419 --> 00:35:22,421 What then, Mr. Speicher? 951 00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:25,591 He got outside, and I started swinging at him. 952 00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:29,761 I hit him several times and he fell to the ground. 953 00:35:29,795 --> 00:35:31,697 (McCoy) Which is where you left him? 954 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:33,399 (Barry) Lying on the book. 955 00:35:33,432 --> 00:35:36,335 I took the umbrella stand and put it back 956 00:35:36,368 --> 00:35:40,472 in the coatroom and I got in a cab. 957 00:35:40,506 --> 00:35:42,608 (McCoy) Without telling anybody or getting help? 958 00:35:42,641 --> 00:35:45,177 (Barry) I was too angry and scared to think straight. 959 00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:47,246 Did your cousin Eric 960 00:35:47,279 --> 00:35:49,415 know how much this book meant to you? 961 00:35:53,852 --> 00:35:56,655 Mr. Speicher? 962 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,835 I killed Jeffrey Kilgore, not Eric. 963 00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:10,869 I did. 964 00:36:10,902 --> 00:36:12,504 I'm going to prison for it. 965 00:36:12,538 --> 00:36:15,307 This trial shouldn't be happening. 966 00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:19,911 At the time of this incident, 967 00:36:19,945 --> 00:36:22,414 how was your business relationship 968 00:36:22,448 --> 00:36:23,415 with your cousin? 969 00:36:23,449 --> 00:36:25,517 It was fine, really. 970 00:36:25,551 --> 00:36:27,253 Not bad at all. 971 00:36:27,286 --> 00:36:28,587 (McCoy) Weren't you having 972 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:30,356 a heated dispute about the building 973 00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:31,923 which housed Beth Tefiloh synagogue? 974 00:36:31,957 --> 00:36:33,725 Objection. Leading. 975 00:36:33,759 --> 00:36:34,893 Sustained. 976 00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:37,596 Did Eric ever threaten you because of this? 977 00:36:37,629 --> 00:36:38,597 (Quaid) Objection. 978 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:41,300 No, he never did. 979 00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:44,570 Could we have a 30-minute recess, 980 00:36:44,603 --> 00:36:45,804 Your Honor? 981 00:36:45,837 --> 00:36:47,373 (Judge Chapman) Take an hour, Mr. McCoy. 982 00:36:47,406 --> 00:36:49,508 I think you're going to need it. 983 00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:01,453 What's going on, Mr. Speicher? 984 00:37:01,487 --> 00:37:02,654 You're committing perjury. 985 00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:04,490 You're trying to put Eric in jail. 986 00:37:04,523 --> 00:37:06,692 I'm the one who did this. 987 00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:08,294 You know perfectly well he set everything in motion. 988 00:37:08,327 --> 00:37:09,795 You've blamed him yourself. 989 00:37:09,828 --> 00:37:12,531 Well, I don't anymore, not now. 990 00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:14,533 Because the book isn't real? 991 00:37:17,936 --> 00:37:20,372 Because my father lied to me. 992 00:37:20,406 --> 00:37:21,440 Your cousin didn't know that 993 00:37:21,473 --> 00:37:23,309 when he hired Kilgore. 994 00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:24,810 He used your religious faith 995 00:37:24,843 --> 00:37:26,312 as a weapon against you. 996 00:37:26,345 --> 00:37:28,614 Well, I'll say one thing about Eric. 997 00:37:28,647 --> 00:37:30,582 He was smart enough to put his faith 998 00:37:30,616 --> 00:37:33,319 into something that he could get his hands on. 999 00:37:33,352 --> 00:37:36,522 You're better than that, Mr. Speicher. 1000 00:37:36,555 --> 00:37:37,889 No, I'm not. 1001 00:37:37,923 --> 00:37:40,692 I wouldn't sell the building to teach him a lesson. 1002 00:37:40,726 --> 00:37:42,594 We're exactly alike. 1003 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:46,498 We ripped each other's throats out over a lie. 1004 00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:58,344 I killed a man. For what? 1005 00:37:58,377 --> 00:38:00,979 I can't go through with this now. 1006 00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:04,350 It isn't your decision, Mr. Speicher. 1007 00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:05,884 A man was murdered. 1008 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:07,753 And everyone who was involved 1009 00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:09,688 has to be held responsible. 1010 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:12,090 But it's too late. 1011 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:14,626 The people who are really responsible 1012 00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:16,962 are all dead. 1013 00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:25,804 Can I go now? 1014 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,786 Without Barry Speicher's testimony, 1015 00:38:40,819 --> 00:38:42,421 you can't prove motive. 1016 00:38:42,454 --> 00:38:44,390 What little case you had jumped the paddock fence. 1017 00:38:44,423 --> 00:38:46,124 I still have enough to go to a jury. 1018 00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:48,660 I'd dismiss the manslaughter count, 1019 00:38:48,694 --> 00:38:50,396 salvage a burglary conviction. 1020 00:38:50,429 --> 00:38:52,498 And forget that Eric Speicher masterminded the events 1021 00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:54,032 which led to a man's death? 1022 00:38:54,065 --> 00:38:55,401 It was a reach from the outset. 1023 00:38:55,434 --> 00:38:57,369 One supported by the law. 1024 00:38:57,403 --> 00:38:59,705 There are other concerns besides the law. 1025 00:38:59,738 --> 00:39:01,807 Politics? 1026 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,609 Credibility with a jury. 1027 00:39:03,642 --> 00:39:05,076 Which reminds me, I intend to file 1028 00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:06,978 perjury charges against Barry Speicher. 1029 00:39:07,012 --> 00:39:08,680 No, you won't. 1030 00:39:08,714 --> 00:39:10,482 We're not gonna prolong this battle royal 1031 00:39:10,516 --> 00:39:11,683 with the Speichers. 1032 00:39:11,717 --> 00:39:13,419 This isn't a vendetta, Arthur. 1033 00:39:13,452 --> 00:39:14,820 We're lucky that the only casualty here 1034 00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:15,654 was an accomplice. 1035 00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:17,856 Well, sometimes criminals get lucky. 1036 00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:20,559 And we don't charge them with what almost happened. 1037 00:39:20,592 --> 00:39:21,960 And when the next provocateur 1038 00:39:21,993 --> 00:39:23,595 desecrates a mosque-- 1039 00:39:23,629 --> 00:39:26,064 To make a political statement or insult a family member? 1040 00:39:26,097 --> 00:39:27,666 It doesn't matter why you yell fire 1041 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:28,700 in a crowded theater. 1042 00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:29,868 In this day and age, 1043 00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:31,803 you can't use religion as a provocation. 1044 00:39:31,837 --> 00:39:33,739 This is exactly the kind of situation 1045 00:39:33,772 --> 00:39:34,806 where you need to send a message. 1046 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,976 Not everything fits your little orthodoxy, Jack. 1047 00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:40,779 Interesting choice of words. 1048 00:39:40,812 --> 00:39:43,114 You're practicing your own form of fundamentalism. 1049 00:39:43,148 --> 00:39:44,916 Now, I gave you some lead, it's time to reel it in. 1050 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:46,952 Arthur! 1051 00:39:46,985 --> 00:39:48,654 Or do I have to tear up a copy of McKinney's 1052 00:39:48,687 --> 00:39:49,821 to make my point? 1053 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,029 (McCoy) Your honor, due to the recantation of crucial facts 1054 00:39:58,063 --> 00:40:00,599 by this witness, I move to withdraw 1055 00:40:00,632 --> 00:40:02,100 his previous testimony and have it stricken 1056 00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:03,101 from the record. 1057 00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:06,204 Is that true, Mr. Speicher? 1058 00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:08,073 Yes. 1059 00:40:08,106 --> 00:40:10,576 (Judge Chapman) I take it you won't oppose this, Ms. Quaid. 1060 00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:12,478 Of course not. 1061 00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:14,780 Motion's granted. 1062 00:40:14,813 --> 00:40:17,182 But will proceed to verdict with the burglary charge. 1063 00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:28,794 (Judge Chapman) Ladies and gentlemen, 1064 00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:30,529 have you reached a verdict? 1065 00:40:30,562 --> 00:40:32,598 We have, Your Honor. 1066 00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:43,809 Please rise, Mr. Speicher. 1067 00:40:43,842 --> 00:40:45,577 On count of burglary in the third degree, 1068 00:40:45,611 --> 00:40:46,578 how do you find? 1069 00:40:46,612 --> 00:40:50,048 We find the defendant Eric Speicher guilty. 1070 00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:55,687 One second. 1071 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:01,226 I'm sorry. 1072 00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:20,979 With the hate enhancement on his burglary conviction, 1073 00:41:21,012 --> 00:41:23,515 Eric Speicher's facing the same time as his cousin. 1074 00:41:23,549 --> 00:41:25,951 I suppose there's some rough justice in that. 1075 00:41:25,984 --> 00:41:28,253 Very rough. 1076 00:41:28,286 --> 00:41:29,821 They're asking the judge to send them 1077 00:41:29,855 --> 00:41:31,923 to the same correctional facility. 1078 00:41:31,957 --> 00:41:33,992 Talk about family values. 1079 00:41:34,025 --> 00:41:36,127 It took a shredded Bible and a homicide 1080 00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:37,729 to bring this bunch together. 1081 00:41:37,763 --> 00:41:39,831 And a lie.