1 00:00:05,673 --> 00:00:08,309 (male announcer) In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:08,342 --> 00:00:10,478 the people are represented by two separate 3 00:00:10,511 --> 00:00:12,246 yet equally important groups-- 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,315 the police who investigate crime 5 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:17,218 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:17,251 --> 00:00:19,019 These are their stories. 7 00:00:23,524 --> 00:00:25,559 (male host) Each of these men expected to find 8 00:00:25,593 --> 00:00:27,528 a 12-year-old girl named Tiffany 9 00:00:27,561 --> 00:00:29,230 who they chatted with online. 10 00:00:29,263 --> 00:00:31,132 It's clear what they came for. 11 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:33,367 "R U as horny as I am?" 12 00:00:33,401 --> 00:00:36,204 (woman) I know they always catch the bad guys. 13 00:00:36,237 --> 00:00:38,406 If they didn't, they'd be schlubs. 14 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:40,308 You wouldn't watch. 15 00:00:40,341 --> 00:00:42,310 (male host) Reuben thought an underage girl was home alone. 16 00:00:42,343 --> 00:00:46,447 (woman) Fine, if you don't like it, change the channel. 17 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,149 (male host) While some of the predators 18 00:00:48,182 --> 00:00:49,517 tried to talk themselves out of the situation 19 00:00:49,550 --> 00:00:51,419 like Manhattan resident Carl Mullaly... 20 00:00:51,452 --> 00:00:53,254 (Carl) She said she was 19. 21 00:00:53,287 --> 00:00:54,688 Oh, my God! 22 00:00:54,722 --> 00:00:56,424 (male host) We have copies of your online chat. 23 00:00:56,457 --> 00:00:57,858 My neighbor's on TV! 24 00:00:57,891 --> 00:00:59,660 I am so sorry. 25 00:00:59,693 --> 00:01:02,263 I've never done anything like this before. 26 00:01:02,296 --> 00:01:05,065 It was a terrible, terrible mistake. 27 00:01:09,303 --> 00:01:14,142 [dog barking] 28 00:01:14,175 --> 00:01:15,243 [rings doorbell] 29 00:01:15,276 --> 00:01:16,377 Delivery. 30 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:18,579 [dog barking] 31 00:01:18,612 --> 00:01:20,681 [rings doorbell] 32 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:23,517 [dog barking] 33 00:01:23,551 --> 00:01:28,156 Lemon chicken, brown rice. 34 00:01:28,189 --> 00:01:29,623 Lemon chicken. 35 00:01:42,636 --> 00:01:44,272 (man) Carl Mullaly. 36 00:01:44,305 --> 00:01:47,208 44, 6'2". Weighing in at 195. 37 00:01:47,241 --> 00:01:48,142 He's a Leo with brown eyes. 38 00:01:48,176 --> 00:01:50,278 All right, so they didn't lift his wallet. 39 00:01:50,311 --> 00:01:52,313 Or anything else worth taking. 40 00:01:52,346 --> 00:01:53,647 That ain't saying much. 41 00:01:55,416 --> 00:01:57,218 No forced entry. 42 00:01:57,251 --> 00:01:58,386 Doesn't look like there was a struggle, 43 00:01:58,419 --> 00:02:00,188 and this Mullaly dude is big. 44 00:02:00,221 --> 00:02:01,389 So either he didn't see it coming... 45 00:02:01,422 --> 00:02:02,556 Or he knew who was coming. 46 00:02:02,590 --> 00:02:04,592 What time did the delivery guy find him? 47 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:06,660 About ten after 11:00. 48 00:02:08,262 --> 00:02:09,530 What you smilin' about? 49 00:02:09,563 --> 00:02:10,731 Novelty. 50 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:14,368 It's not every day you get one of these. 51 00:02:14,402 --> 00:02:16,770 He's fresh, I get it. You got a window? 52 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:19,607 With multiple stabs wounds, I'm counting three hours tops. 53 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,942 Partner's calling for you. 2E. 54 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:23,211 All right. I'll be right back. 55 00:02:24,245 --> 00:02:25,613 You know that show Hardfocus? 56 00:02:25,646 --> 00:02:27,381 Yeah, on the 24-7 news network? 57 00:02:27,415 --> 00:02:29,383 Yeah, Ms. Wallace was watching it tonight. 58 00:02:29,417 --> 00:02:31,285 Hi, Detective Green. Hi. 59 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:32,520 Thank God for TiVo. 60 00:02:32,553 --> 00:02:34,722 You're telling us that this is the first time 61 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:36,657 you've sought out a minor-- 62 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:38,659 (Ms. Wallace) I was on the phone with my mother 63 00:02:38,692 --> 00:02:40,394 watching one of those episodes outing pedophiles. 64 00:02:40,428 --> 00:02:41,529 And look who pops up. 65 00:02:41,562 --> 00:02:42,863 I've had urges in the past, 66 00:02:42,896 --> 00:02:45,499 but I knew they were wrong and I never acted on them. 67 00:02:45,533 --> 00:02:46,634 What made this time different? 68 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:48,402 I really felt like I connected to Tiffany, 69 00:02:48,436 --> 00:02:49,537 like we understood each other. 70 00:02:49,570 --> 00:02:51,772 I know that's sick, it's wrong. 71 00:02:51,805 --> 00:02:52,973 And I apologize 72 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:55,543 from the bottom of my heart. 73 00:02:55,576 --> 00:02:57,411 This aired just after 9:00 tonight. 74 00:02:57,445 --> 00:02:59,447 No wonder Mr. Mullaly's dead. 75 00:03:49,997 --> 00:03:50,831 What a dirt bag. 76 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:52,466 How many times you say he got stabbed? 77 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:53,634 Please sir, just answer the question. 78 00:03:53,667 --> 00:03:55,469 How well did you know him? 79 00:03:55,503 --> 00:03:57,305 (Ali) Well, he picked up our mail once 80 00:03:57,338 --> 00:03:58,506 when we were out of town. 81 00:03:58,539 --> 00:04:00,308 He seemed pretty harmless. 82 00:04:00,341 --> 00:04:01,975 But it's not like he's gonna wear a T-shirt 83 00:04:02,009 --> 00:04:03,444 with "Pedophile" stamped across the front. 84 00:04:03,477 --> 00:04:05,313 You seen anybody coming in and out 85 00:04:05,346 --> 00:04:06,480 of his apartment on a regular basis? 86 00:04:06,514 --> 00:04:08,349 Not that we noticed. 87 00:04:08,382 --> 00:04:10,318 You know of anyone with a beef with Mullaly? 88 00:04:10,351 --> 00:04:11,519 Ever heard any arguments? 89 00:04:11,552 --> 00:04:12,986 No. 90 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:14,422 But have you checked with his next door neighbor, 91 00:04:14,455 --> 00:04:15,389 Evan Fleming? 92 00:04:15,423 --> 00:04:16,657 He's next on the list. 93 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:18,459 He wouldn't do this, David. He's a doctor. 94 00:04:18,492 --> 00:04:19,993 Why do you bring him up? 95 00:04:20,027 --> 00:04:23,364 His daughter is eight. 96 00:04:23,397 --> 00:04:25,499 (Evan) I was in the ER till 10:00. 97 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:26,534 Home around 10:30. 98 00:04:26,567 --> 00:04:27,901 Where was your daughter? 99 00:04:27,935 --> 00:04:29,470 Here in bed. 100 00:04:29,503 --> 00:04:30,671 I got in, the babysitter left. 101 00:04:30,704 --> 00:04:31,939 I checked in on Abigail, 102 00:04:31,972 --> 00:04:33,974 knocked off about two seconds later. 103 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:36,410 On your way in, did you see anyone in the hall? 104 00:04:36,444 --> 00:04:37,478 Anyone out of place? 105 00:04:37,511 --> 00:04:38,979 No one. 106 00:04:39,012 --> 00:04:41,715 Well, after you got home... 107 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:44,352 After you got home, did you hear anybody 108 00:04:44,385 --> 00:04:46,654 in Mr. Mullaly's apartment or out here in the hallway? 109 00:04:46,687 --> 00:04:48,656 I was on my feet 12 hours yesterday. 110 00:04:48,689 --> 00:04:50,057 I was out cold. 111 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:51,325 How about you, Abigail? 112 00:04:51,359 --> 00:04:52,626 Did you hear anything next door? 113 00:04:52,660 --> 00:04:54,628 She was asleep. 114 00:04:54,662 --> 00:04:56,029 Were you, sweetie? 115 00:04:56,063 --> 00:04:58,366 Yeah. Can I watch some TV? 116 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:00,067 For ten minutes. 117 00:05:02,470 --> 00:05:04,505 How'd you get along with Mr. Mullaly? 118 00:05:04,538 --> 00:05:05,506 Barely saw him. 119 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:07,541 Abigail ever home alone? 120 00:05:07,575 --> 00:05:09,343 Never. She's all I got. 121 00:05:09,377 --> 00:05:10,711 Did you see this Hardfocus segment? 122 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:14,448 It was on in the break room. 123 00:05:14,482 --> 00:05:17,418 You're pretty calm about all this, Mr. Fleming, 124 00:05:17,451 --> 00:05:19,353 considering you live next door to a child molester. 125 00:05:20,588 --> 00:05:23,557 I don't work in an ER 'cause I'm prone to panic. 126 00:05:23,591 --> 00:05:26,326 And Mr. Mullaly's not living next door anymore, is he? 127 00:05:27,828 --> 00:05:29,430 Carl Mullaly had no record 128 00:05:29,463 --> 00:05:30,698 until Ulster County collared him 129 00:05:30,731 --> 00:05:32,500 after the Hardfocus segment. 130 00:05:32,533 --> 00:05:34,602 So what's Ulster know about him? 131 00:05:34,635 --> 00:05:36,404 No kiddy porn on his computer, 132 00:05:36,437 --> 00:05:37,538 no threats in his emails. 133 00:05:37,571 --> 00:05:39,540 How'd the TV show dig him up? 134 00:05:39,573 --> 00:05:41,108 Mullaly was trolling the chat rooms 135 00:05:41,141 --> 00:05:43,744 and took the bait on a decoy 12-year-old 136 00:05:43,777 --> 00:05:46,079 set up by this online vigilante group 137 00:05:46,113 --> 00:05:47,615 called Scum Watch. 138 00:05:47,648 --> 00:05:50,818 Their motto is "We fill the gap in law enforcement." 139 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:52,820 And now there's a murder. 140 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:55,989 What about the delivery guy who found Mullaly? 141 00:05:56,023 --> 00:05:57,458 Didn't see a soul in the hall. 142 00:05:57,491 --> 00:06:00,428 And the babysitter confirms Fleming's timeline. 143 00:06:00,461 --> 00:06:01,995 So that puts Fleming next door 144 00:06:02,029 --> 00:06:04,498 at the time of the homicide. 145 00:06:04,532 --> 00:06:05,566 He have a record? 146 00:06:05,599 --> 00:06:06,434 Clean. 147 00:06:06,467 --> 00:06:08,736 What about the little girl's mother? 148 00:06:08,769 --> 00:06:11,505 She hit the road six years ago. 149 00:06:11,539 --> 00:06:12,806 So we've got a single father who finds out 150 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,075 he has a pedophile living next door. 151 00:06:15,108 --> 00:06:16,176 And does the world a solid. 152 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:18,446 Public service homicide? 153 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:20,681 Boss, have you seen the Hardfoc segments? 154 00:06:20,714 --> 00:06:22,716 I mean, one guy walked into their house naked. 155 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:24,552 Another perp, he brought his own kid along. 156 00:06:24,585 --> 00:06:25,586 It's sick stuff. 157 00:06:25,619 --> 00:06:27,488 Yeah, but it's train wreck TV. 158 00:06:27,521 --> 00:06:28,556 It's not an investigation. 159 00:06:28,589 --> 00:06:30,190 Hey. 160 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:31,592 The LUDs from Mullaly's home phone 161 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:33,461 show a whole bunch of short cell phone calls 162 00:06:33,494 --> 00:06:35,663 from a woman named Hannah Welch. 163 00:06:35,696 --> 00:06:38,098 Look at that, 15 seconds, 5 seconds, 10 seconds. 164 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:39,800 And one of 'em was an hour before he was murdered. 165 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:41,569 Track her down. 166 00:06:44,805 --> 00:06:47,140 (Becca) Hannah's holed-up in the bathroom. 167 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:49,142 She won't come out. 168 00:06:49,176 --> 00:06:50,143 I'll talk to her. 169 00:06:50,177 --> 00:06:51,178 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 170 00:06:51,211 --> 00:06:52,546 How are you gonna start? 171 00:06:52,580 --> 00:06:54,548 Ascertain her relationship with Mullaly. 172 00:06:54,582 --> 00:06:56,216 And then you're gonna dig for an alibi, right? 173 00:06:56,249 --> 00:06:57,751 Not ask her her favorite color? 174 00:06:57,785 --> 00:06:58,886 Come on. 175 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:01,522 I can handle a girl locked in a bathroom. 176 00:07:01,555 --> 00:07:05,493 (Cassady) How long had you and Carl been seeing each other? 177 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:08,596 Maybe a month. 178 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:09,497 God, I can't believe this. 179 00:07:09,530 --> 00:07:14,067 He ever mention anyone bothering him? 180 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:16,604 Nothing like that. 181 00:07:16,637 --> 00:07:19,206 When was the last time you saw him? 182 00:07:19,239 --> 00:07:20,641 A few days ago. 183 00:07:20,674 --> 00:07:22,610 Not at all last night? 184 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:25,178 No, I went to a movie last night. 185 00:07:25,212 --> 00:07:27,581 When'd you get wind of the Hardfocus segment? 186 00:07:27,615 --> 00:07:29,917 This morning. 187 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:33,687 It's being passed around online. 188 00:07:33,721 --> 00:07:35,823 And a few days ago, that's the last contact 189 00:07:35,856 --> 00:07:37,457 you had with Carl? 190 00:07:38,659 --> 00:07:40,528 Yeah. 191 00:07:41,562 --> 00:07:43,497 No phone calls? 192 00:07:43,531 --> 00:07:46,534 Um... 193 00:07:46,567 --> 00:07:49,537 I'm sorry, I'm not thinking real clear. 194 00:07:49,570 --> 00:07:51,739 I tried getting in touch 195 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:53,641 at his work earlier in the day. 196 00:07:53,674 --> 00:07:54,842 And they said he'd been fired. 197 00:07:54,875 --> 00:07:57,578 So I called him to ask about it, 198 00:07:57,611 --> 00:07:58,946 and he wouldn't talk to me. 199 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:01,148 Wait, he was fired before the segment aired? 200 00:08:01,181 --> 00:08:02,616 Yeah. Where'd he been working? 201 00:08:02,650 --> 00:08:04,552 A community center. 202 00:08:04,585 --> 00:08:05,819 Around kids? 203 00:08:05,853 --> 00:08:07,220 Yeah. 204 00:08:07,254 --> 00:08:10,791 Oh, my God. 205 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:12,593 (Cruz) Carl was our fix-it man. 206 00:08:12,626 --> 00:08:13,627 (Green) Why'd you fire him? 207 00:08:13,661 --> 00:08:16,196 It was time he moved on. 208 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:17,798 Did anything happen with the kids? 209 00:08:17,831 --> 00:08:19,232 No. 210 00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:21,201 Program director said she heard you and Carl 211 00:08:21,234 --> 00:08:22,636 screaming behind closed doors 212 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:24,938 and then he wasn't working here anymore. 213 00:08:28,742 --> 00:08:30,177 I saw him on that show. 214 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:32,580 Made me sick to my stomach. 215 00:08:32,613 --> 00:08:33,480 That was after you fired him. 216 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:35,583 Yeah, but a few weeks ago, I got tipped off 217 00:08:35,616 --> 00:08:36,584 the guy was a molester. 218 00:08:36,617 --> 00:08:37,585 By who? 219 00:08:37,618 --> 00:08:38,385 I didn't know him. 220 00:08:38,418 --> 00:08:39,987 But he said that Carl was a bad guy. 221 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:42,723 So I sat Carl down about it, and he went crazy. 222 00:08:42,756 --> 00:08:43,991 This tip, did someone call you? 223 00:08:44,024 --> 00:08:45,158 No, they stopped in. 224 00:08:45,192 --> 00:08:47,728 What'd the guy look like? 225 00:08:47,761 --> 00:08:49,697 He was white, 30s. 226 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:51,899 He said he was Carl's neighbor. 227 00:08:51,932 --> 00:08:53,634 He said I should watch out for the kids. 228 00:08:53,667 --> 00:08:54,668 Thank you. 229 00:08:56,604 --> 00:08:58,739 (Green) Why did you go to Mullaly's job? 230 00:08:58,772 --> 00:09:00,741 (Cassady) You buried the lead, Fleming. 231 00:09:00,774 --> 00:09:03,243 I mean, why not start with the guy's a scumbag pedophile? 232 00:09:03,276 --> 00:09:04,612 'Cause it's over with. 233 00:09:04,645 --> 00:09:05,512 Why do I have to get involved? 234 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:07,581 You went to his job to get him fired. 235 00:09:07,615 --> 00:09:08,649 Isn't that getting involved? 236 00:09:08,682 --> 00:09:09,850 That's keeping kids safe. 237 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:11,619 How'd you know Mullaly was dangerous? 238 00:09:11,652 --> 00:09:14,688 I got an anonymous note under my door that said as much. 239 00:09:14,722 --> 00:09:16,356 Do you have this note? 240 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:17,357 I got rid of it. 241 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:20,193 All right, so maybe there wasn't really a note? 242 00:09:20,227 --> 00:09:22,663 Maybe there really was an incident 243 00:09:22,696 --> 00:09:23,664 between Mullaly and your daughter? 244 00:09:23,697 --> 00:09:24,898 No. 245 00:09:24,932 --> 00:09:25,899 After the note, I thought there might have been. 246 00:09:25,933 --> 00:09:28,301 I had a friend, a psychiatrist. Talk to Abigail. 247 00:09:28,335 --> 00:09:29,637 [cell phone ringing] 248 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:31,772 Everything seemed okay. 249 00:09:31,805 --> 00:09:33,741 Mullaly didn't do anything. 250 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,676 And why didn't you tell us this earlier? 251 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:36,844 Look, I didn't kill him, okay? 252 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:38,846 But when you find out who did, let me know. 253 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:40,313 I'd like to buy him a steak. 254 00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:42,249 Yeah. 255 00:09:42,282 --> 00:09:43,651 We'll be right there. 256 00:09:43,684 --> 00:09:45,252 Don't move. 257 00:09:47,688 --> 00:09:49,657 Guy named Greg Hightower. 258 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:51,024 Married, father of two. 259 00:09:51,058 --> 00:09:52,960 And the other star of last night's Hardfocus. 260 00:09:52,993 --> 00:09:54,261 Where'd you find him? 261 00:09:54,294 --> 00:09:57,030 At a bus stop on 59th street. Unconscious. 262 00:09:57,064 --> 00:09:58,231 He gonna make it? 263 00:09:58,265 --> 00:09:59,800 Doc said he would. 264 00:10:02,970 --> 00:10:06,339 We looking at a copycat? 265 00:10:06,373 --> 00:10:08,275 If we are, these dudes are walking around 266 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:09,743 with targets on their backs. 267 00:10:13,714 --> 00:10:14,514 Come on. 268 00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:21,989 Son of a bitch attacked me from behind. 269 00:10:22,022 --> 00:10:23,290 He wanted to kill me. 270 00:10:23,323 --> 00:10:24,925 What'd he look like? 271 00:10:24,958 --> 00:10:27,695 Six foot, brown hair. 272 00:10:27,728 --> 00:10:30,130 He was driving in a Chevy. 273 00:10:30,163 --> 00:10:31,398 You know, I should sue. 274 00:10:31,431 --> 00:10:33,366 This never would have happened 275 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,003 if that show hadn't violated my civil rights. 276 00:10:36,036 --> 00:10:39,039 So you just walked into the Hardfocus thing 277 00:10:39,072 --> 00:10:40,373 to ask for directions? 278 00:10:40,407 --> 00:10:42,910 I wasn't there for anything sexual. 279 00:10:42,943 --> 00:10:45,445 Anything else about this guy outside your building? 280 00:10:45,478 --> 00:10:46,914 License plate. 281 00:10:46,947 --> 00:10:49,016 it started with 123. 282 00:10:49,049 --> 00:10:51,151 I made a mental note. 283 00:10:51,184 --> 00:10:53,053 Just don't forget that I'm the victim here. 284 00:10:55,055 --> 00:10:56,289 We won't. 285 00:10:57,290 --> 00:10:58,258 (Lowe) How bad is he? 286 00:10:58,291 --> 00:11:01,128 He's out of ICU. 287 00:11:01,161 --> 00:11:02,162 Okay. 288 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:04,464 Disappointed, Mr. Lowe? 289 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:06,366 I don't wanna say too much, but yeah. 290 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:07,367 A little. 291 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,037 Princeton grad, place up at Irvington, no record. 292 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:13,941 How's a guy like you end up vigilante? 293 00:11:13,974 --> 00:11:15,442 A week before my daughter's 13th birthday, 294 00:11:15,475 --> 00:11:18,311 she took a class trip into the city. 295 00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:21,048 She got split off from her class. 296 00:11:21,081 --> 00:11:23,050 A guy got her in his car. 297 00:11:23,083 --> 00:11:24,017 Found her in a suitcase. 298 00:11:24,051 --> 00:11:28,488 She'd been raped and sodomized and strangled. 299 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:30,991 Men who do that to children don't deserve to breathe. 300 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:32,459 Men like Carl Mullaly? 301 00:11:32,492 --> 00:11:33,761 I had nothing to do with that. 302 00:11:33,794 --> 00:11:34,728 But I applaud whoever did. 303 00:11:34,762 --> 00:11:36,429 Where were you on the night he was killed? 304 00:11:36,463 --> 00:11:39,066 In Boston on business. 305 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:40,467 That sicko's been flying under the radar for years. 306 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,202 You should see what he writes online 307 00:11:42,235 --> 00:11:43,470 to little girls. 308 00:11:43,503 --> 00:11:44,637 You seem to know an awful lot about these guys. 309 00:11:44,671 --> 00:11:47,808 How'd you track down that guy you clocked, Hightower? 310 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:50,043 Scum Watch keeps tabs on all the men they're targeting. 311 00:11:50,077 --> 00:11:51,011 They gave him up to you? 312 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,113 Yeah, they're almost as impotent as you are-- 313 00:11:53,146 --> 00:11:54,782 All right, watch your mouth! 314 00:11:54,815 --> 00:11:56,349 What's the point? 315 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:57,818 My daughter's dead. 316 00:11:57,851 --> 00:12:00,120 There's nothing more that you can do to me. 317 00:12:03,056 --> 00:12:04,524 (man) Howard came here because he couldn't process 318 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:06,126 his daughter's death. 319 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:08,295 Others are here because of personal experience. 320 00:12:08,328 --> 00:12:10,530 But if we get any indication that a member 321 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:14,101 desires physical retribution, then we ask them to leave. 322 00:12:14,134 --> 00:12:15,235 Just like we did with Howard Lowe 323 00:12:15,268 --> 00:12:16,469 a week after he got here. 324 00:12:16,503 --> 00:12:19,840 Any of your other volunteers agree with Mr. Lowe's approach? 325 00:12:19,873 --> 00:12:22,042 We keep close tabs on everyone. 326 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:24,444 We're gonna need a list of your volunteers 327 00:12:24,477 --> 00:12:26,113 and all their contact information. 328 00:12:26,146 --> 00:12:28,081 Anything to help. 329 00:12:28,115 --> 00:12:30,517 Anyone else have access to your files? 330 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:32,219 The addresses of guys you target? 331 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:34,087 They're strictly confidential. 332 00:12:34,121 --> 00:12:36,256 Except that Hardfocus gets copies of everything. 333 00:12:36,289 --> 00:12:37,557 [Ellie scoffs] 334 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:38,859 No. 335 00:12:38,892 --> 00:12:40,560 He looks like a wounded puppy. 336 00:12:40,593 --> 00:12:42,195 Not a menace to society. 337 00:12:42,229 --> 00:12:43,330 Run it again from the beginning. 338 00:12:43,363 --> 00:12:45,799 Look, I'm sorry, I have to get this locked by lunch. 339 00:12:45,833 --> 00:12:47,034 This airs tomorrow. 340 00:12:47,067 --> 00:12:50,403 Did Carl Mullaly's murder raise interest in your segments? 341 00:12:50,437 --> 00:12:53,040 What happened to Mr. Mullaly was tragic, 342 00:12:53,073 --> 00:12:54,274 but I have a hard time believing 343 00:12:54,307 --> 00:12:56,109 that you have a problem putting pedophiles 344 00:12:56,143 --> 00:12:57,210 behind bars, Detective. 345 00:12:57,244 --> 00:12:58,846 Be careful, Ms. Harper. 346 00:12:58,879 --> 00:12:59,880 What I have a problem with 347 00:12:59,913 --> 00:13:01,381 is your show inciting violence. 348 00:13:01,414 --> 00:13:05,285 No, we are well within our first amendment rights. 349 00:13:05,318 --> 00:13:06,887 This is a news program. 350 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,521 Journalists in Falluja don't pull over 351 00:13:08,555 --> 00:13:11,091 roadside bombers and ask them to sign release forms. 352 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:13,126 They're breaking the law, you just film it. 353 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,328 Carl Mullaly was a sick man. 354 00:13:15,362 --> 00:13:18,165 When he was online with the Scum Watch decoy, 355 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:20,133 he talked about his penis size. 356 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:22,836 And he asked if the decoy was on her period. 357 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:24,571 And he had all kinds of specific requests 358 00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:26,539 about the decoy's personal hygiene. 359 00:13:26,573 --> 00:13:28,175 It's all in there, I pulled it when you called. 360 00:13:28,208 --> 00:13:29,309 That's his transcript. 361 00:13:29,342 --> 00:13:31,912 And most of that is too graphic to air. 362 00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:33,246 Well, if I had to read this everyday 363 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,581 I might be tempted to take justice 364 00:13:34,614 --> 00:13:35,715 into my own hands. 365 00:13:35,748 --> 00:13:39,586 Look, we all knew Mr. Mullaly was a pervert weeks ago. 366 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:42,322 But if someone here wanted to cause him harm, 367 00:13:42,355 --> 00:13:44,324 they did not have to wait for this show to air. 368 00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:46,159 The 75 people on this crew list 369 00:13:46,193 --> 00:13:47,928 that Ellie Harper gave us, 370 00:13:47,961 --> 00:13:50,297 the worst record of any is a shoplifting charge. 371 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:51,932 Same song for the Scum Watch folks. 372 00:13:51,965 --> 00:13:53,934 Well, we need to check if any of these people 373 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:55,903 pop on Evan Fleming's phone records. 374 00:13:55,936 --> 00:13:56,937 Or Hannah Welch's. 375 00:13:56,970 --> 00:14:00,941 Her movie alibi bothering you? 376 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:02,910 No ticket stub, no one at the theater saw her. 377 00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:05,112 Give me a reason to like her. 378 00:14:05,145 --> 00:14:06,546 I can't yet. No record. 379 00:14:06,579 --> 00:14:08,348 Just started working at a temp agency. 380 00:14:08,381 --> 00:14:09,349 New to New York. 381 00:14:09,382 --> 00:14:11,218 (Green) Oh, damn. 382 00:14:11,251 --> 00:14:13,386 I'm reading Fleming's LUDs. 383 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:14,955 He called the Chinese place that night. 384 00:14:14,988 --> 00:14:16,523 For delivery to Mullaly? 385 00:14:16,556 --> 00:14:20,127 Who orders dinner for a dead man? 386 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,395 Your cell records show you made a call 387 00:14:22,429 --> 00:14:24,297 to the Red Dragon eight minutes 388 00:14:24,331 --> 00:14:25,598 before Mullaly's body was discovered 389 00:14:25,632 --> 00:14:27,234 by the delivery guy. 390 00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:29,236 I was hungry. Stop it. 391 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:30,503 Stop lying and stop wasting our time. 392 00:14:30,537 --> 00:14:32,205 That food never came to your door. 393 00:14:32,239 --> 00:14:33,306 Question is, how many years 394 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,242 do you wanna be away from your daughter? 395 00:14:35,275 --> 00:14:36,009 I didn't kill him. 396 00:14:36,043 --> 00:14:38,611 You got a chance at light weight 397 00:14:38,645 --> 00:14:40,948 if you cop to it, but you go to trial, 398 00:14:40,981 --> 00:14:42,415 that's 25 years. 399 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:44,584 (Green) Your little girl'll be 33 when you get out. 400 00:14:44,617 --> 00:14:45,618 No, come on! 401 00:14:45,652 --> 00:14:46,653 Mm-hmm. 402 00:14:50,257 --> 00:14:53,226 He was already dead when I got there. 403 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:53,860 I checked his pulse. He was dead. 404 00:14:53,893 --> 00:14:55,195 Why'd you order him dinner? 405 00:14:55,228 --> 00:14:56,529 So the delivery guy would find him 406 00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:57,931 and call it in. 407 00:14:57,965 --> 00:15:00,267 So I didn't have to get in the middle of it. 408 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:01,701 Okay. So what were you so worried about? 409 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:03,703 I was protecting my daughter. 410 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:05,538 I was asleep, I wake up. 411 00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:07,207 I see Abby standing in the door. 412 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,675 She said she heard a fight through her wall 413 00:15:08,708 --> 00:15:09,709 and went to look. 414 00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:12,212 She saw someone run out 415 00:15:12,245 --> 00:15:14,214 of Mullaly's apartment with a knife in her hand. 416 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:15,548 Her hand? A woman? 417 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:17,250 That's what she said. 418 00:15:17,284 --> 00:15:19,019 You've been changing your tune 419 00:15:19,052 --> 00:15:20,687 an awful lot, Mr. Fleming. 420 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,955 That son of a bitch 421 00:15:21,989 --> 00:15:25,993 babysat her twice. 422 00:15:26,026 --> 00:15:27,194 The shrink said nothing happened, 423 00:15:27,227 --> 00:15:30,463 but if it did... 424 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:32,632 I just don't want her traumatized. 425 00:15:32,665 --> 00:15:34,301 I don't want her on the stand 426 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:37,337 being cross-examined about it, okay? 427 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:48,448 All right, this is a third version of the story. 428 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:49,516 When does it end? 429 00:15:49,549 --> 00:15:52,319 We gotta bring the daughter in. 430 00:15:52,352 --> 00:15:53,987 If Fleming's telling the truth now, 431 00:15:54,021 --> 00:15:56,656 that means he coached his daughter earlier 432 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:58,325 to say that she didn't hear anything. 433 00:15:58,358 --> 00:16:00,560 So how reliable can she be? 434 00:16:00,593 --> 00:16:01,594 Still. 435 00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:04,297 You're buying it? 436 00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:05,332 Why would he go to Mullaly's work 437 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:07,534 to get him fired and then kill him? 438 00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:10,003 He saw that Hardfocus segment and he lost his mind. 439 00:16:10,037 --> 00:16:12,039 Then why call the delivery guy to find Mullaly? 440 00:16:12,072 --> 00:16:13,573 Why not just shut the door and take a powder? 441 00:16:13,606 --> 00:16:14,574 Guilt. 442 00:16:14,607 --> 00:16:16,076 Look, I get it. 443 00:16:16,109 --> 00:16:17,710 There's a lot of reasons to doubt him. 444 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:19,479 But my gut says pursue it. 445 00:16:19,512 --> 00:16:21,348 Your gut, huh? 446 00:16:24,684 --> 00:16:26,619 Yeah. 447 00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:30,323 All right, bring in the daughter. 448 00:16:30,357 --> 00:16:33,526 But I'll talk to her, all right? 449 00:16:36,363 --> 00:16:38,631 I was asleep. 450 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:40,767 And a noise next door woke me up. 451 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,670 It was Mr. Mullaly. He yelled out. 452 00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:46,506 And when you heard all this noise, 453 00:16:46,539 --> 00:16:47,540 where was your father? 454 00:16:47,574 --> 00:16:51,778 He was asleep in his chair in front of the TV. 455 00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:55,115 And then what did you do? 456 00:16:55,148 --> 00:16:57,117 I went to go look out the door. 457 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:58,651 Oh. 458 00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:00,653 What did you see? 459 00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:03,123 The woman. She has brown hair. 460 00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:05,325 The woman? 461 00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:06,759 Had you seen her before? 462 00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:09,496 Two weeks ago, I was doing homework 463 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:10,630 in the living room. 464 00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:14,301 And an envelope got slid under the door. 465 00:17:14,334 --> 00:17:16,069 I went to go look out the door, 466 00:17:16,103 --> 00:17:18,305 and I saw the same woman who ran out of 467 00:17:18,338 --> 00:17:19,672 Mr. Mullaly's apartment. 468 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:23,543 Now, did you look in the envelope? 469 00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:26,679 No, I gave it to my dad. 470 00:17:26,713 --> 00:17:30,483 He talked to my babysitter about it. 471 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:33,553 He told her it said Mr. Mullaly was a bad man. 472 00:17:33,586 --> 00:17:36,656 All right. 473 00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:38,725 The woman you saw... 474 00:17:38,758 --> 00:17:41,094 Tell me again what she looked like. 475 00:17:41,128 --> 00:17:44,431 (Kaitlin) Her hair was different. 476 00:17:44,464 --> 00:17:46,533 What do you mean? 477 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,368 It was up in a ponytail. 478 00:17:49,602 --> 00:17:51,871 Was this the night Mr. Mullaly was killed? 479 00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:53,873 Yeah. 480 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:55,508 Where'd you see her? 481 00:17:55,542 --> 00:17:57,444 In front of Mr. Mullaly's apartment. 482 00:17:57,477 --> 00:18:00,113 Then she ran down the hall. 483 00:18:03,883 --> 00:18:05,585 Hannah Welch, you're under arrest 484 00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:07,187 for the murder of Carl Mullaly. 485 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:08,054 You're kidding. 486 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:08,955 You have the right to remain silent. 487 00:18:08,988 --> 00:18:11,391 He's a pedophile. Anything you say... 488 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,193 He destroys lives and strips little girls 489 00:18:13,226 --> 00:18:14,194 of their youth, 490 00:18:14,227 --> 00:18:15,162 their innocence. 491 00:18:15,195 --> 00:18:18,398 He deserved to die, don't you understand that? 492 00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:20,533 He's a monster! 493 00:18:20,567 --> 00:18:22,369 It's still murder. 494 00:18:22,402 --> 00:18:23,803 If you cannot afford an attorney, 495 00:18:23,836 --> 00:18:25,605 one will be provided... 496 00:18:29,209 --> 00:18:31,178 Docket number 069236. People v. Hannah Welch. 497 00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:32,612 Charge is murder in the second degree. 498 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:34,247 How does the defendant plead? 499 00:18:35,415 --> 00:18:37,150 Not guilty. 500 00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:39,186 People request $1 million bail. 501 00:18:39,219 --> 00:18:40,153 The defendant, until recently, 502 00:18:40,187 --> 00:18:42,222 lived in Pittsburgh, has no ties to New York. 503 00:18:42,255 --> 00:18:43,756 And considering the gravity of the charges, 504 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:45,492 is a flight risk. 505 00:18:45,525 --> 00:18:47,194 Your Honor, 17 million viewers 506 00:18:47,227 --> 00:18:48,928 watched Mr. Mullaly outed as a pedophile. 507 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:50,630 Any one of them could have killed him. 508 00:18:50,663 --> 00:18:52,365 We have an eyewitness who saw the defendant 509 00:18:52,399 --> 00:18:54,734 flee the victim's apartment moments after the murder. 510 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,369 Miss Welch was dating the victim. 511 00:18:56,403 --> 00:18:57,604 There are thousands of reasons 512 00:18:57,637 --> 00:18:59,339 why she would have been in the vicinity 513 00:18:59,372 --> 00:19:00,373 of his apartment. 514 00:19:00,407 --> 00:19:01,241 Furthermore, this so-called witness 515 00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:03,376 was an eight-year-old girl whose father 516 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:04,644 was being investigated 517 00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:07,747 for the crime until my client was arrested. 518 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:09,416 She would have said it was the Tooth Fairy 519 00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:10,550 if it deflected blame from her father. 520 00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:11,584 (Judge Kaplan) I'd work on your material 521 00:19:11,618 --> 00:19:15,222 before facing the cameras outside, Mr. Depago. 522 00:19:15,255 --> 00:19:16,689 Especially since you went to such trouble 523 00:19:16,723 --> 00:19:18,258 getting them here. 524 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:20,627 Bail's set at $500,000. 525 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:23,530 You called, we're listening. 526 00:19:25,465 --> 00:19:28,535 Well, I saw the Hardfocus segment. 527 00:19:28,568 --> 00:19:29,669 It was... 528 00:19:29,702 --> 00:19:31,338 Well, you can imagine 529 00:19:31,371 --> 00:19:34,207 what was going through my mind. 530 00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:35,508 So I went over to Carl's apartment 531 00:19:35,542 --> 00:19:37,777 to tell him that I'd seen it. 532 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:40,647 Let him know what I thought of him. 533 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,681 What he'd done. 534 00:19:41,714 --> 00:19:43,983 You did more than talk. 535 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:46,386 Well, he kept telling me it was a mistake. 536 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:48,988 He'd been online... 537 00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:51,824 talking to a little girl about having sex. 538 00:19:51,858 --> 00:19:56,763 I mean, they caught him on TV 539 00:19:56,796 --> 00:19:59,332 walking into her house. 540 00:19:59,366 --> 00:20:00,633 How is that a mistake? 541 00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:04,537 So I called him a pervert 542 00:20:04,571 --> 00:20:07,574 and he--he lunged at me. 543 00:20:07,607 --> 00:20:10,009 A terrified woman acting in self-defense 544 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:13,012 when confronted by an enraged sexual predator. 545 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,482 Crim neg. 546 00:20:15,515 --> 00:20:17,817 No time served. Probation. 547 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:20,320 We might as well send out invitations 548 00:20:20,353 --> 00:20:24,257 to execute suspected pedophiles. 549 00:20:24,291 --> 00:20:26,559 That man sexually assaulted children. 550 00:20:26,593 --> 00:20:28,761 And was walking around free. 551 00:20:28,795 --> 00:20:31,831 All I did was defend myself and you wanna send me to jail? 552 00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:33,833 Whose side are you on? 553 00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:38,605 For the purposes of this trial, Mr. Mullaly's. 554 00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:39,472 Are we done here? 555 00:20:39,506 --> 00:20:44,243 Good luck, Mr. McCoy. You'll need it. 556 00:20:49,416 --> 00:20:52,585 No way this plays as self-defense. 557 00:20:52,619 --> 00:20:53,886 We have motive. 558 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,289 The defendant learns her boyfriend 559 00:20:56,323 --> 00:20:59,459 is a pedophile on national TV. 560 00:20:59,492 --> 00:21:02,295 An eyewitness puts her at the scene. 561 00:21:02,329 --> 00:21:05,732 The victim has no defensive or offensive wounds. 562 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:08,868 His blood is found on the defendant's shoes. 563 00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:10,603 There were four stab wounds. 564 00:21:10,637 --> 00:21:12,339 Have we recovered the murder weapon? 565 00:21:12,372 --> 00:21:13,239 Not yet. 566 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:14,841 And the stab wounds don't match any knives 567 00:21:14,874 --> 00:21:15,875 in the victim's apartment. 568 00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,577 So Hannah brought her own. 569 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:19,312 Looks that way. 570 00:21:19,346 --> 00:21:21,514 The evidence is pretty solid, Arthur. 571 00:21:21,548 --> 00:21:23,416 Well, solid gets watery pretty fast 572 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:25,352 if your victim is a pedophile 573 00:21:25,385 --> 00:21:27,387 and your defendant is a sympathetic young woman 574 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:28,521 claiming self-defense. 575 00:21:28,555 --> 00:21:30,657 Whether we like it or not, 576 00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:33,360 Hannah Welch fulfilled the fantasies of every person 577 00:21:33,393 --> 00:21:34,861 who watched that TV show the other night. 578 00:21:34,894 --> 00:21:36,896 Television acting as judge and jury 579 00:21:36,929 --> 00:21:38,731 makes me a little queasy. 580 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:40,367 Well, if it wasn't a problem, 581 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,369 it wouldn't be anything to watch. 582 00:21:42,402 --> 00:21:43,870 I mean, we can't overlook the fact 583 00:21:43,903 --> 00:21:45,472 that they're helping to get child predators 584 00:21:45,505 --> 00:21:46,473 off the street. 585 00:21:46,506 --> 00:21:49,609 And helping defend anyone willing to kill them. 586 00:21:49,642 --> 00:21:50,777 Hardfocus put up Hannah's bail. 587 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:52,345 Which I can only assume 588 00:21:52,379 --> 00:21:54,547 was in exchange for an exclusive interview 589 00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:55,882 once all is said and done. 590 00:21:55,915 --> 00:21:57,917 Well, your arm's gonna get pretty tired 591 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:59,151 swimming upstream. 592 00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:01,488 People watch these shows because it makes them 593 00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:03,490 feel like they're doing something. 594 00:22:03,523 --> 00:22:06,359 Like cleansing the community. 595 00:22:06,393 --> 00:22:09,429 Are you suggesting that I plead this out, Arthur? 596 00:22:09,462 --> 00:22:12,331 I'm suggesting that the deck's stacked against you. 597 00:22:13,566 --> 00:22:14,734 I'm moving forward. 598 00:22:14,767 --> 00:22:16,736 Fine. 599 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,705 But you better find some skeleton 600 00:22:18,738 --> 00:22:21,374 in Hannah Welch's closet... fast. 601 00:22:21,408 --> 00:22:24,844 She moved here three months before the murder. 602 00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:25,712 Not much time for skeletons. 603 00:22:25,745 --> 00:22:28,347 In New York, but what about Pittsburgh? 604 00:22:29,416 --> 00:22:31,618 Looks like I'm taking a road trip. 605 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:35,988 (Cassady) You and Hannah broke off your engagement 606 00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:36,989 five years ago. 607 00:22:37,023 --> 00:22:38,525 Why? 608 00:22:38,558 --> 00:22:39,459 We were young. 609 00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:42,862 We needed to figure out who we really were. 610 00:22:42,895 --> 00:22:43,996 Do you two still talk? 611 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:45,732 Yeah, sure. 612 00:22:45,765 --> 00:22:48,801 The romance is over, but we managed to stay friends. 613 00:22:48,835 --> 00:22:51,170 Congratulations. 614 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:53,873 I know, it's not easy. 615 00:22:53,906 --> 00:22:55,742 When was the last time you spoke to Hannah? 616 00:22:55,775 --> 00:22:57,744 In person? 617 00:22:57,777 --> 00:22:58,945 Three weeks ago. 618 00:22:58,978 --> 00:23:01,481 Did she mention anything about a relationship 619 00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:02,549 with Carl Mullaly? 620 00:23:02,582 --> 00:23:05,852 No, never. 621 00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:06,953 Did she say anything strange? 622 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:08,855 Mention any new guy she'd met? 623 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:11,458 We only talked for a few minutes. 624 00:23:11,491 --> 00:23:12,992 She had to meet her roommates for dinner. 625 00:23:13,025 --> 00:23:14,794 Roommates? How many roommates? 626 00:23:14,827 --> 00:23:15,895 Five. 627 00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:18,565 The Upper West Side don't come cheap. 628 00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:19,566 We searched Hannah's apartment. 629 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:21,868 It was a week to week dump in the East Village. 630 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:24,637 That's news to me. 631 00:23:24,671 --> 00:23:26,639 I've got her address right here. 632 00:23:26,673 --> 00:23:28,508 There were at least six of 'em sharing that apartment. 633 00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:29,909 Were? 634 00:23:29,942 --> 00:23:32,879 Uh, yeah, moved out. They all did. 635 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:34,981 Building manager screamed bloody hell. 636 00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:38,451 Now he's got a whole floor sitting empty. 637 00:23:38,485 --> 00:23:41,454 I don't understand, they all moved out at the same time? 638 00:23:41,488 --> 00:23:43,823 Yeah, when Hardfocus stopped paying the rent. 639 00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:46,659 Hardfocus was paying their rent? 640 00:23:46,693 --> 00:23:49,562 Like any of those kids could afford this building? 641 00:23:49,596 --> 00:23:50,763 Do you have any idea why? 642 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:51,798 No clue. 643 00:23:51,831 --> 00:23:53,800 Do you know where any of them might have moved to? 644 00:23:53,833 --> 00:23:55,935 One of them asked me to forward his mail 645 00:23:55,968 --> 00:23:58,538 to an address in Brooklyn. 646 00:23:58,571 --> 00:24:00,439 I'm gonna need that address. 647 00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:08,815 I'd ask if you wanted to sit down, but... 648 00:24:08,848 --> 00:24:09,682 It's only temporary. 649 00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:11,618 A friend of mine's letting me crash here 650 00:24:11,651 --> 00:24:14,053 until I find a place of my own. 651 00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:16,088 Hardfocus gonna set you up with that? 652 00:24:16,122 --> 00:24:18,591 We signed non-disclosure agreements. 653 00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:21,060 I'm really not supposed to talk about it. 654 00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:23,563 I could subpoena you, Kyle, if you prefer. 655 00:24:23,596 --> 00:24:24,831 What does that mean? 656 00:24:24,864 --> 00:24:26,899 It means I could force you to tell the truth. 657 00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:28,267 In court. 658 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,869 I just don't wanna get in trouble, 659 00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:31,571 that's all. 660 00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:32,905 You won't, I promise. 661 00:24:32,939 --> 00:24:35,575 Well, what do you wanna know? 662 00:24:35,608 --> 00:24:37,777 Why was Hardfocus paying your rent? 663 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:40,046 'Cause they wanted to hear my story. 664 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:43,616 Which is? 665 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:44,951 I was molested by my soccer coach 666 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:46,118 when I was 12 years old. 667 00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:47,119 Really messed me up. 668 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:48,821 They interviewed you? 669 00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:51,624 A few months ago I saw an ad online. 670 00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:54,861 Reality show is looking for victims of sexual abuse 671 00:24:54,894 --> 00:24:55,995 who wanted to confront their abusers. 672 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:58,865 I answered it, they flew me to New York, 673 00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:02,735 interviewed me on tape and I was in. 674 00:25:02,769 --> 00:25:06,072 So Hannah's story about dating Mullaly is a lie? 675 00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:07,940 She moved here to be part of a TV show 676 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:09,976 where victims of sexual abuse 677 00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:11,778 confront their abusers. 678 00:25:11,811 --> 00:25:14,113 Are you saying Carl Mullaly molested Hannah? 679 00:25:14,146 --> 00:25:15,848 He's from Pittsburgh, she's from Pittsburgh. 680 00:25:15,882 --> 00:25:17,116 Big city. 681 00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:19,151 He also worked in the same insurance company 682 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:20,319 as her father. 683 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:24,023 The victim seeks out victimizer years after the abuse 684 00:25:24,056 --> 00:25:26,626 and stabs him four times in the chest? 685 00:25:26,659 --> 00:25:29,796 Sounds more like revenge than self-defense. 686 00:25:29,829 --> 00:25:32,031 Whether he's my boyfriend or not, 687 00:25:32,064 --> 00:25:34,133 Carl Mullaly came at me. 688 00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:36,736 And you stabbed him with a knife you brought 689 00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:38,037 for what purpose exactly? 690 00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:39,739 Don't answer. 691 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:42,541 Then why are we here, Mr. Depago? 692 00:25:45,111 --> 00:25:48,815 He raped me. When I was 12. 693 00:25:48,848 --> 00:25:51,818 He was a friend of my father's. 694 00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:54,053 There's a system in place to handle that crime 695 00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:54,921 and it's not on prime time. 696 00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:57,056 But I never would have confronted him 697 00:25:57,089 --> 00:25:58,591 if it weren't for the show! 698 00:25:58,625 --> 00:26:01,928 The show made you do it? Please, Ms. Welch. 699 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:03,963 They didn't force you to answer that ad. 700 00:26:03,996 --> 00:26:05,064 But she sent me there that night 701 00:26:05,097 --> 00:26:07,066 with a knife and a camera. 702 00:26:07,099 --> 00:26:09,969 You have a tape of the murder? 703 00:26:12,038 --> 00:26:14,741 I never turned it on. 704 00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:16,008 I got so scared. 705 00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:17,944 And the knife? 706 00:26:17,977 --> 00:26:21,147 Ellie Harper gave it to me. 707 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:22,081 To give me confidence. 708 00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:23,750 Why send you in for more footage 709 00:26:23,783 --> 00:26:26,118 if the show was already cancelled? 710 00:26:26,152 --> 00:26:28,154 To try and get it back on track. 711 00:26:28,187 --> 00:26:31,958 Prove how healing the confrontations could be. 712 00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:35,227 It's creative, I'll give you that. 713 00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:37,396 I have the knife. I hid it. 714 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,932 When Ellie gave it to me, it was in an orange bag 715 00:26:39,966 --> 00:26:41,167 from a sporting goods store. 716 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,202 I can't remember the name. 717 00:26:51,077 --> 00:26:53,045 We want to talk about your client's relationship 718 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:54,981 with Hannah Welch. 719 00:26:55,014 --> 00:26:56,282 Why? 720 00:26:56,315 --> 00:26:58,918 We just wanna understand... 721 00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,286 what happened the night of the murder. 722 00:27:01,754 --> 00:27:03,990 Seems pretty straightforward to me. 723 00:27:04,023 --> 00:27:06,392 Angry woman confronts the lunatic who raped her. 724 00:27:06,425 --> 00:27:07,994 She flips out 725 00:27:08,027 --> 00:27:09,128 and kills the guy. 726 00:27:09,161 --> 00:27:10,262 Yeah, that part we know. 727 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,932 What other part is there? 728 00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:15,902 The part where your client bought the angry woman 729 00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:16,869 the murder weapon. 730 00:27:16,903 --> 00:27:18,905 Told her to get something explosive on tape. 731 00:27:18,938 --> 00:27:20,940 That's crazy! That knife was for her-- 732 00:27:20,973 --> 00:27:22,975 Let me do the talking. 733 00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:26,212 Understand? Yeah. 734 00:27:26,245 --> 00:27:27,680 The knife was given to Ms. Welch 735 00:27:27,714 --> 00:27:28,848 for her protection. 736 00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:32,218 What you're describing is depraved indifference homicide. 737 00:27:32,251 --> 00:27:34,954 That's insane. 738 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:36,422 I'm a TV producer, not a killer. 739 00:27:36,455 --> 00:27:38,725 I create theater. 740 00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:40,760 And to do that, to create conflict, 741 00:27:40,793 --> 00:27:43,395 you have to put opposing forces together. 742 00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:44,430 So the drama can unfold. 743 00:27:44,463 --> 00:27:45,932 You mean the murder. 744 00:27:45,965 --> 00:27:47,767 She means she's a respected member 745 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,302 of the television community with a long list of awards 746 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:51,337 for excellence. 747 00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:53,205 We're done here. 748 00:27:59,345 --> 00:28:01,347 You think the network knew what she was doing? 749 00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:02,982 Let's find out. 750 00:28:05,351 --> 00:28:06,719 (man) Mr. McCoy... 751 00:28:06,753 --> 00:28:09,055 Ms. Rubirosa... 752 00:28:09,088 --> 00:28:10,122 I appreciate you coming uptown. 753 00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:13,760 But I oversee 24 hours of prime time programming 754 00:28:13,793 --> 00:28:16,262 as well as 400 or so different projects 755 00:28:16,295 --> 00:28:17,296 in development. 756 00:28:17,329 --> 00:28:19,031 I can't keep track of every detail. 757 00:28:19,065 --> 00:28:22,468 You pulled the plug on Confront and Heal. Why? 758 00:28:22,501 --> 00:28:24,103 Lost interest in it. 759 00:28:24,136 --> 00:28:26,438 Victims looking for closure, healing wounds. 760 00:28:26,472 --> 00:28:28,474 It's too soft for today's marketplace. 761 00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:30,309 Yet you found it interesting enough 762 00:28:30,342 --> 00:28:31,443 to greenlight a pilot. 763 00:28:31,477 --> 00:28:34,213 Well, you gotta sip the wine 764 00:28:34,246 --> 00:28:36,215 before you buy it. [knocking at door] 765 00:28:36,248 --> 00:28:37,784 Thank you for coming, Ken. 766 00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:39,085 Ken LeSaboy, general counsel. 767 00:28:39,118 --> 00:28:40,820 Good to meet you. 768 00:28:40,853 --> 00:28:42,221 Likewise and good timing. 769 00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:43,489 We're gonna need copies of all the records 770 00:28:43,522 --> 00:28:45,224 and tapes pertaining to the show. 771 00:28:47,026 --> 00:28:48,727 Why? 772 00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:52,164 It's relevant to our investigation. 773 00:28:52,198 --> 00:28:53,532 Into what? 774 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:57,203 Ellie Harper's role in Carl Mullaly's murder. 775 00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:59,839 Sounds like you're looking for headlines, Mr. McCoy. 776 00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:01,774 Just the truth. 777 00:29:01,808 --> 00:29:02,809 Except those documents and tapes 778 00:29:02,842 --> 00:29:03,810 contain privileged correspondence. 779 00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:04,811 Trade secrets. 780 00:29:04,844 --> 00:29:06,078 You can't expect us 781 00:29:06,112 --> 00:29:08,247 to just roll out the red carpet. 782 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,515 Exactly why I brought a subpoena. 783 00:29:09,548 --> 00:29:11,818 Gentlemen... 784 00:29:11,851 --> 00:29:13,385 we're not murderers. 785 00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:15,454 We're a television network. 786 00:29:15,487 --> 00:29:18,124 So read what you like, Mr. McCoy. 787 00:29:18,157 --> 00:29:19,558 Watch our tapes. 788 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:23,796 I hope you find them entertaining. 789 00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:26,132 If you saw Carl Mullaly again, 790 00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:27,800 what would you do? 791 00:29:27,834 --> 00:29:32,204 I'd tell him that he ruined my life. 792 00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:34,206 And that I think about what he did to me 793 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,374 every day. 794 00:29:35,407 --> 00:29:38,110 And every night. 795 00:29:38,144 --> 00:29:39,378 (Ellie) Then what? 796 00:29:39,411 --> 00:29:44,116 Then I'd like to cut his heart out. 797 00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:45,818 And watch him bleed. 798 00:29:45,852 --> 00:29:49,355 Ellie Harper knew Hannah was ready to kill. 799 00:29:49,388 --> 00:29:51,790 Well, hope you got more than that. 800 00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:55,261 The psychiatrist considered her 801 00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:57,563 psychologically unfit for the purposes 802 00:29:57,596 --> 00:29:59,365 of the proposed TV show. 803 00:29:59,398 --> 00:30:01,367 Do really think that you can prove 804 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,568 depraved indifference here? 805 00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,237 Ellie put two trains on a collision course 806 00:30:05,271 --> 00:30:06,305 and said, "Go." 807 00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:07,239 Well, if you prosecute 808 00:30:07,273 --> 00:30:09,842 the wrong defendant for the wrong crime, 809 00:30:09,876 --> 00:30:11,377 there's a chance that we're the ones 810 00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:12,478 who'll be flattened. 811 00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:16,148 Ellie calls herself a journalist. 812 00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:18,885 She arranged this disaster. 813 00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:22,288 And Hannah is willing to take 15 years and testify. 814 00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:24,156 Where is Ellie Harper? 815 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:25,291 To quote her counsel, 816 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:26,492 if you wanna talk to her again, 817 00:30:26,525 --> 00:30:28,560 indict her and put her on trial. 818 00:30:28,594 --> 00:30:30,529 And you're prepared to do that? 819 00:30:33,132 --> 00:30:34,833 She bought Hannah Welch a knife. 820 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:40,106 Make it happen. 821 00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:45,878 (Hannah) Carl Mullaly worked with my dad. 822 00:30:45,912 --> 00:30:47,346 They were friends. 823 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:49,415 He used to go camping with us in the summer 824 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:51,150 and on the weekends. 825 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:53,852 He'd get me alone in the woods and then... 826 00:30:56,488 --> 00:30:58,624 And what, Ms. Welch? 827 00:31:00,459 --> 00:31:03,595 Rape me. 828 00:31:03,629 --> 00:31:04,596 He said if I ever told my parents, 829 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:06,465 he'd kill them. 830 00:31:06,498 --> 00:31:08,500 It finally stopped when I was 12. 831 00:31:08,534 --> 00:31:10,636 When my dad got transferred. 832 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:12,638 Once you agreed to participate in the show 833 00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:14,640 Confront and Heal, did the producers 834 00:31:14,673 --> 00:31:18,477 do anything to prepare you to confront Mr. Mullaly? 835 00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:20,279 Ellie Harper was the one who ran everything. 836 00:31:20,312 --> 00:31:22,681 She made me talk to a therapist 837 00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:25,384 about the abuse and how I was going to confront 838 00:31:25,417 --> 00:31:26,652 the perpetrator. 839 00:31:26,685 --> 00:31:28,687 We did role playing. 840 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,456 Ellie had me keep a video diary. 841 00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:32,691 She even brought in a Krav Maga trainer. 842 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:34,326 Krav Maga. 843 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,428 It's like judo, but it's Israeli. 844 00:31:36,462 --> 00:31:38,965 Ellie wanted me to be able to defend myself. 845 00:31:38,998 --> 00:31:40,199 From Carl. 846 00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:43,669 In case he got violent. 847 00:31:43,702 --> 00:31:45,671 Was anything else done by Ms. Harper 848 00:31:45,704 --> 00:31:47,306 to get you ready for this confrontation? 849 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:49,275 She bought me a hunting knife 850 00:31:49,308 --> 00:31:50,676 for protection. 851 00:31:50,709 --> 00:31:53,412 (McCoy) On the day you sought out 852 00:31:53,445 --> 00:31:54,913 Mr. Mullaly, what happened? 853 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:58,650 Ellie gave me a camera for my purse, 854 00:31:58,684 --> 00:32:00,719 showed me how to use it. 855 00:32:00,752 --> 00:32:02,688 Then she gave me a pep talk. 856 00:32:02,721 --> 00:32:05,324 She said that by putting this on television 857 00:32:05,357 --> 00:32:07,994 for everyone to see, this was my chance 858 00:32:08,027 --> 00:32:09,695 to finally give Carl what he deserved. 859 00:32:09,728 --> 00:32:11,663 And did you confront 860 00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:13,299 the man who raped you, Ms. Welch? 861 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,302 Carl opened the door. 862 00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:17,669 He knew right away who I was. 863 00:32:17,703 --> 00:32:20,039 His jaw almost hit the floor. 864 00:32:20,072 --> 00:32:23,242 I asked him if I could come in and talk to him for a minute. 865 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:26,312 Just like I practiced with Ellie. 866 00:32:26,345 --> 00:32:28,480 I asked him, 867 00:32:28,514 --> 00:32:32,718 "Why did you rape me?" 868 00:32:32,751 --> 00:32:34,020 He denied it. 869 00:32:34,053 --> 00:32:35,988 He said I was crazy. 870 00:32:36,022 --> 00:32:37,689 How did that make you feel? 871 00:32:37,723 --> 00:32:39,725 Angry. 872 00:32:39,758 --> 00:32:43,629 Really, really angry. 873 00:32:43,662 --> 00:32:45,664 I said I wasn't crazy. 874 00:32:45,697 --> 00:32:47,599 That he knew exactly what he did to me. 875 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:50,402 And all I wanted was for him to admit it. 876 00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:51,737 And did he? 877 00:32:53,272 --> 00:32:55,607 He said it was my fault. 878 00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:58,477 That I seduced him. 879 00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:01,347 An eight-year-old girl. 880 00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:09,021 What happened then, Ms. Welch? 881 00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:11,723 I guess I just... 882 00:33:11,757 --> 00:33:14,460 lost control. 883 00:33:14,493 --> 00:33:16,562 I grabbed the knife from my bag 884 00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:19,031 and I went after him. 885 00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:23,035 I started stabbing him. 886 00:33:23,069 --> 00:33:27,639 Then I ran outside and walked around for hours. 887 00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:29,808 Did you tell Ms. Harper what happened 888 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:31,477 in Mr. Mullaly's apartment? 889 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:34,446 She said not to say anything to anyone. 890 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,514 That she'd help me 891 00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,750 figure things out. 892 00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:44,590 You answered the ad, correct? 893 00:33:44,623 --> 00:33:46,392 Yes. 894 00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:47,493 And you went to the training, 895 00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:48,827 went to the therapy, went to the door 896 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,329 of the man who raped you. 897 00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:51,330 All totally voluntarily. 898 00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:53,499 Yes, but it was like they were brainwashing me 899 00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:54,500 for their show. 900 00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:55,534 And the doors weren't locked? 901 00:33:55,567 --> 00:33:57,436 You could have left at any time? 902 00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:58,804 Right, but they made me sign legal papers. 903 00:33:58,837 --> 00:34:00,839 A waiver, Ms. Welch, not a contract 904 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:01,840 of indentured servitude. 905 00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:03,409 Objection. Sustained. 906 00:34:03,442 --> 00:34:05,711 And after you killed Carl Mullaly, 907 00:34:05,744 --> 00:34:07,713 you hid the knife? 908 00:34:07,746 --> 00:34:08,747 Yes. 909 00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:10,749 And you lied to the police. 910 00:34:10,782 --> 00:34:13,319 And then you made a deal with the prosecution 911 00:34:13,352 --> 00:34:14,286 for leniency? 912 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,655 Because she was the one who made me do this 913 00:34:16,688 --> 00:34:17,856 for the television show. 914 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,859 None of it was for you? 915 00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:23,429 I recognize that a terrible thing 916 00:34:23,462 --> 00:34:25,431 happened to you when you were a child, Ms. Welch. 917 00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:26,865 But does that give you the right 918 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:28,434 to put the blame on somebody else 919 00:34:28,467 --> 00:34:30,536 for what you did? 920 00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:32,438 (McCoy) Objection. Withdrawn. 921 00:34:32,471 --> 00:34:33,739 I'm done with this witness. 922 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:41,113 Ms. Harper, on the night that Hannah Welch 923 00:34:41,147 --> 00:34:42,848 confronted Carl Mullaly, 924 00:34:42,881 --> 00:34:45,151 what were you hoping to capture on tape? 925 00:34:45,184 --> 00:34:47,586 A woman reclaiming her dignity. 926 00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:50,389 Why did you give Hannah Welch a knife? 927 00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:51,890 So she could protect herself 928 00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:53,759 in case Mullaly came at her. 929 00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:59,165 Did you ask Hannah Welch to kill Carl Mullaly? 930 00:34:59,198 --> 00:35:00,766 Of course not. 931 00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:03,802 Were you pleased that Hannah Welch 932 00:35:03,835 --> 00:35:05,371 killed Carl Mullaly? 933 00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:06,438 Pleased? 934 00:35:06,472 --> 00:35:07,873 I was devastated. 935 00:35:07,906 --> 00:35:10,809 Absolutely, 100% devastated. 936 00:35:10,842 --> 00:35:12,678 I'm a producer, for God's sakes. 937 00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:14,780 A journalist. Not a criminal. 938 00:35:19,818 --> 00:35:23,155 Journalists report the news, but you create it, don't you? 939 00:35:23,189 --> 00:35:26,792 I consider informative entertainment akin to news. 940 00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:30,396 Based on Hannah Welch's audition tape, 941 00:35:30,429 --> 00:35:31,763 you knew that she was predisposed 942 00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:33,232 to violence, correct? 943 00:35:33,265 --> 00:35:35,934 I knew she was angry and looking to heal. 944 00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:39,871 When she was asked what she might do 945 00:35:39,905 --> 00:35:43,475 if given the opportunity to confront Mullaly, 946 00:35:43,509 --> 00:35:45,844 Ms. Welch said, and I quote, 947 00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:50,249 "I'd cut his heart out and watch him bleed." 948 00:35:50,282 --> 00:35:53,852 What part of that statement suggests a desire to heal? 949 00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:55,921 Well, we talked after the audition 950 00:35:55,954 --> 00:35:57,589 after the camera stopped rolling and she-- 951 00:35:57,623 --> 00:36:00,626 But you turned Hannah Welch into a killing machine. 952 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:02,794 You gave her combat training, 953 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:06,265 you filled her with rage. 954 00:36:06,298 --> 00:36:08,800 You put a knife in her hand and told her 955 00:36:08,834 --> 00:36:10,869 to confront the man who molested her. 956 00:36:10,902 --> 00:36:12,938 Objection. Sustained. 957 00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:14,940 You have to wonder if your goal 958 00:36:14,973 --> 00:36:17,209 was to capture a murder on film. 959 00:36:17,243 --> 00:36:18,677 Objection. 960 00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:19,711 Sustained. 961 00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:22,481 (McCoy) If the sum result... 962 00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:26,885 of Hannah Welch's going to Carl Mullaly's home 963 00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:28,787 had been a polite conversation, 964 00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:30,622 and healing... 965 00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:33,825 would that have re-invigorated the network's 966 00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:34,993 interest in the project? 967 00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:36,928 It may have. 968 00:36:38,297 --> 00:36:40,499 Then why pick a woman who'd said 969 00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:43,235 on her audition tape that she wanted to kill? 970 00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:57,883 Nothing further. 971 00:37:05,957 --> 00:37:09,661 So, it sounds like Hannah did pretty good on the stand. 972 00:37:09,695 --> 00:37:13,299 She has conviction, I'll give her that. 973 00:37:13,332 --> 00:37:15,734 And there's no part of us that's going after 974 00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:17,002 this woman because we're a couple 975 00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:18,604 of out-of-step old-timers? 976 00:37:18,637 --> 00:37:19,871 What's that supposed to mean? 977 00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:24,042 In my day, television was a different animal. 978 00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:26,545 Husbands and wives in separate beds. 979 00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:27,879 Picture postcard towns 980 00:37:27,913 --> 00:37:30,816 where the teenagers drank only malteds 981 00:37:30,849 --> 00:37:31,917 and went to sock hops together. 982 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:35,354 So the crap that passes for entertainment now is okay 983 00:37:35,387 --> 00:37:37,956 because the programmers have caught up with the reality? 984 00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:39,891 You tell me. 985 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:41,360 Nothing's changed. 986 00:37:41,393 --> 00:37:42,828 In Shakespeare's time, 987 00:37:42,861 --> 00:37:44,996 people thronged to watch the bear baiting. 988 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:46,632 You're right. 989 00:37:46,665 --> 00:37:47,966 There's an appetite for this stuff 990 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:49,968 and always will be. 991 00:37:50,001 --> 00:37:52,003 And you've got people on your jury 992 00:37:52,037 --> 00:37:53,104 who watch these shows. 993 00:37:53,138 --> 00:37:55,741 And I'd be careful not to alienate them 994 00:37:55,774 --> 00:37:58,009 in some hope of bringing down 995 00:37:58,043 --> 00:37:59,911 a cultural phenomenon that you can't 996 00:37:59,945 --> 00:38:01,046 do anything about anyway. 997 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:04,650 If people want to watch a man 998 00:38:04,683 --> 00:38:06,918 crawl through a tunnel full of rats, 999 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:09,054 I can only shake my head. 1000 00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:12,658 But nobody gets to sell tickets to a murder. 1001 00:38:17,863 --> 00:38:19,064 (woman) Last night... 1002 00:38:19,097 --> 00:38:21,700 29 million people 1003 00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:24,803 watched the most recent episode of Hardfocus, 1004 00:38:24,836 --> 00:38:27,739 where a 55-year-old orthopedic surgeon, 1005 00:38:27,773 --> 00:38:29,675 father of three, 1006 00:38:29,708 --> 00:38:31,610 was arrested after showing up 1007 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:32,811 at what he thought 1008 00:38:32,844 --> 00:38:34,813 was a ten-year-old girl's apartment. 1009 00:38:34,846 --> 00:38:38,950 The detective posing as the little girl 1010 00:38:38,984 --> 00:38:40,752 asked the man to take his clothes off. 1011 00:38:40,786 --> 00:38:41,787 He did. 1012 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:43,889 And put bunny ears on his head. 1013 00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:44,956 He did. 1014 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:46,692 Moments later, he was arrested. 1015 00:38:46,725 --> 00:38:50,061 Naked with bunny ears on his head. 1016 00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:52,598 This is what the public wants to see. 1017 00:38:52,631 --> 00:38:56,702 This is what you want Ellie Harper to deliver. 1018 00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,904 So why should she be blamed for 1019 00:38:58,937 --> 00:38:59,905 attempting to create another show 1020 00:38:59,938 --> 00:39:02,073 that deals with the exact same subject matter? 1021 00:39:02,107 --> 00:39:04,976 My client may be guilty 1022 00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:06,945 of being an ambitious producer. 1023 00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:10,949 Of pushing the entertainment envelope. 1024 00:39:10,982 --> 00:39:14,986 But she is certainly not guilty of murder. 1025 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:19,858 So please pay attention to the facts and the law. 1026 00:39:19,891 --> 00:39:23,729 And not the anti-reality TV rhetoric and vitriol 1027 00:39:23,762 --> 00:39:26,665 that the prosecution is attempting to pass off 1028 00:39:26,698 --> 00:39:28,934 as evidence. 1029 00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:38,644 Even reality TV's biggest fans know 1030 00:39:38,677 --> 00:39:41,079 that 20 people on a desert island 1031 00:39:41,112 --> 00:39:43,014 competing for a can of soup 1032 00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:47,018 or drinking goat's urine for $50,000 1033 00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:49,087 is not that real. 1034 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,822 Lots of people think it's fun. 1035 00:39:50,856 --> 00:39:55,093 Maybe some of you. It's entertainment. 1036 00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:56,995 Ellie Harper claims she's a journalist. 1037 00:39:57,028 --> 00:39:59,731 And the motto of a journalist used to be 1038 00:39:59,765 --> 00:40:01,733 you two fight and I'll write about it. 1039 00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:04,069 But the reporter didn't set up the fight. 1040 00:40:05,771 --> 00:40:09,975 Nowadays, the distinction between the news 1041 00:40:10,008 --> 00:40:12,143 and entertainment is not so clear. 1042 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:18,016 Staging events for the news cameras... 1043 00:40:18,049 --> 00:40:20,051 doctoring photographs... 1044 00:40:20,085 --> 00:40:23,088 planting pseudo-news on the news 1045 00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:24,956 without a disclaimer. 1046 00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:28,193 That's not fun. That does real harm. 1047 00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:34,199 Some of those situations are frustratingly unclear. 1048 00:40:34,232 --> 00:40:36,835 Or beyond our reach to correct. 1049 00:40:36,868 --> 00:40:39,705 But not this case. 1050 00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:44,109 Ellie Harper was looking for ratings. 1051 00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:46,512 She knew the danger, but did she care? 1052 00:40:46,545 --> 00:40:48,480 No. 1053 00:40:48,514 --> 00:40:52,250 Did she even care enough to send someone along 1054 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:53,418 with Hannah Welch 1055 00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:58,056 in case the staged encounter got out of hand? 1056 00:40:58,089 --> 00:41:00,091 No. 1057 00:41:00,125 --> 00:41:02,928 So tell her... 1058 00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:06,498 and anyone tempted to follow in her footsteps... 1059 00:41:06,532 --> 00:41:10,569 that an event where one of the participants 1060 00:41:10,602 --> 00:41:12,871 is trained, paid, 1061 00:41:12,904 --> 00:41:16,808 and armed by the producer... 1062 00:41:16,842 --> 00:41:19,845 is not journalism. 1063 00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:23,081 And a man being stabbed to death 1064 00:41:23,114 --> 00:41:27,085 is not entertainment. 1065 00:41:27,118 --> 00:41:28,787 It's murder. 1066 00:41:39,064 --> 00:41:41,166 Has the jury come to a verdict? 1067 00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:42,768 We have, Your Honor. 1068 00:41:42,801 --> 00:41:46,037 (Judge Davis) On the charge of murder in the second degree, 1069 00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:47,806 how do you find? 1070 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,142 We find the defendant, Ellie Harper... 1071 00:41:51,176 --> 00:41:53,178 guilty. 1072 00:42:07,826 --> 00:42:10,161 I hear someone from Hardfocus called. 1073 00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:12,263 They're doing a special on Carl Mullaly's murder 1074 00:42:12,297 --> 00:42:14,132 and Ellie Harper's trial. 1075 00:42:14,165 --> 00:42:16,902 They wanted to land an interview with Jack. 1076 00:42:16,935 --> 00:42:18,169 What'd you tell 'em? 1077 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:21,272 Something they can't quote on TV. 1078 00:42:21,306 --> 00:42:23,975 Well, I hate to say this, Jack, but with or without you, 1079 00:42:24,009 --> 00:42:25,343 it's gonna get a huge audience. 1080 00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:25,443 I'll be reading a book.