1 00:00:05,273 --> 00:00:07,641 (male announcer) In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,675 --> 00:00:10,144 the people are represented by two separate 3 00:00:10,178 --> 00:00:12,113 yet equally important groups-- 4 00:00:12,146 --> 00:00:14,048 the police who investigate crime 5 00:00:14,082 --> 00:00:16,484 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:16,517 --> 00:00:18,819 These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,852 --> 00:00:20,388 Thank you for coming. 8 00:00:20,421 --> 00:00:22,190 Hi. How are you? 9 00:00:22,223 --> 00:00:25,126 Nice sermon today, Reverend. 10 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:30,098 Very powerful, especially the part 11 00:00:30,131 --> 00:00:32,166 about the homosexuals being unholy. 12 00:00:33,534 --> 00:00:36,570 Ask me, they should all die. 13 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:41,142 While, uh, I concur that God did not intend 14 00:00:41,175 --> 00:00:43,277 for man to lie with another man, 15 00:00:43,311 --> 00:00:45,479 as Christians, we must find forgiveness in our hearts. 16 00:00:45,513 --> 00:00:49,283 Forgiveness? I don't think so. 17 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:58,859 You guys are the first to arrive. 18 00:00:58,892 --> 00:01:01,429 Maybe we can get a bowl of soup or something. 19 00:01:01,462 --> 00:01:02,863 The only thing you're gonna get here 20 00:01:02,896 --> 00:01:05,299 is a dead 25-year-old named Jeff Cantwell. 21 00:01:05,333 --> 00:01:06,334 What time was he shot? 22 00:01:06,367 --> 00:01:08,169 About 10:15. 23 00:01:19,447 --> 00:01:20,648 No forced entry. 24 00:01:20,681 --> 00:01:22,483 (Green) A single shot... 25 00:01:22,516 --> 00:01:23,717 close range... 26 00:01:23,751 --> 00:01:25,486 side of the head, 27 00:01:25,519 --> 00:01:26,720 looks self-inflicted. 28 00:01:26,754 --> 00:01:28,356 Take a look at this. 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,463 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind 30 00:01:35,496 --> 00:01:36,730 "as with womankind. 31 00:01:36,764 --> 00:01:38,199 It is abomination." 32 00:01:38,232 --> 00:01:39,500 Mm-hmm. Leviticus. 33 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:41,235 (Green) You think this is his suicide note? 34 00:01:41,269 --> 00:01:42,636 He's gay, and he hates himself? 35 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:44,205 I don't know. Maybe. 36 00:01:44,238 --> 00:01:45,639 I'll take the back. 37 00:02:24,412 --> 00:02:26,247 What are you thinkin'? 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,749 I'm thinkin' if this dude wanted to shoot himself in the head, 39 00:02:28,782 --> 00:02:31,151 he would've used his left hand. 40 00:03:26,474 --> 00:03:27,441 What about the gun? 41 00:03:27,475 --> 00:03:28,276 It's unlicensed, 42 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:29,477 and the residue test was negative. 43 00:03:29,510 --> 00:03:30,811 Well, it doesn't mean for sure 44 00:03:30,844 --> 00:03:31,945 Cantwell didn't pull the trigger. 45 00:03:31,979 --> 00:03:33,747 Well, the odds just went way down. 46 00:03:33,781 --> 00:03:34,882 Well, does he have any priors? 47 00:03:34,915 --> 00:03:35,883 None. 48 00:03:35,916 --> 00:03:37,351 He's a struggling actor, 49 00:03:37,385 --> 00:03:39,353 bit parts here and there, nothing to speak of. 50 00:03:39,387 --> 00:03:40,788 But according to the ME, 51 00:03:40,821 --> 00:03:42,790 he had alcohol and marijuana in his bloodstream. 52 00:03:42,823 --> 00:03:44,258 Wives? Girlfriends? 53 00:03:44,292 --> 00:03:45,259 Boyfriends. 54 00:03:45,293 --> 00:03:46,427 Just spoke to his mother. 55 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:47,795 He's been out a couple of years. 56 00:03:47,828 --> 00:03:48,862 Did she say if he was seeing anyone? 57 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:52,666 She lives in Dayton, Ohio. They weren't very close. 58 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:53,901 Anything else? 59 00:03:53,934 --> 00:03:54,968 On the dresser, 60 00:03:55,002 --> 00:03:57,505 there was a Bible opened to this anti-gay passage. 61 00:03:57,538 --> 00:03:59,407 "A man shall not lie with a man as with a woman." 62 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,342 Is it Cantwell's Bible? 63 00:04:01,375 --> 00:04:02,376 We're assuming it is. 64 00:04:02,410 --> 00:04:03,977 The shooter could've put it there. 65 00:04:04,011 --> 00:04:05,479 Well, now that's a crazy thought. 66 00:04:05,513 --> 00:04:06,880 We're checkin' it for prints. 67 00:04:06,914 --> 00:04:08,416 All right, continue your canvass. 68 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:10,818 See what you can find. 69 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:15,523 (Cassady) How well did you know him? 70 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:17,391 I moved in ten months ago. 71 00:04:17,425 --> 00:04:18,959 We became friends right away. 72 00:04:18,992 --> 00:04:21,362 Did he have a boyfriend? 73 00:04:21,395 --> 00:04:23,030 I don't think so. 74 00:04:23,063 --> 00:04:24,898 Good-looking young actor in New York. 75 00:04:24,932 --> 00:04:26,867 He wasn't dating anybody? 76 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:28,068 [scoffs] 77 00:04:28,101 --> 00:04:29,803 He wasn't into the whole party scene. 78 00:04:29,837 --> 00:04:31,905 He took his career pretty seriously. 79 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:33,974 He was always taking a class, 80 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:36,377 writing a script, working on a friend's play. 81 00:04:36,410 --> 00:04:38,011 I mean, doing what we out-of-work actors do 82 00:04:38,045 --> 00:04:39,413 to keep from going crazy. 83 00:04:39,447 --> 00:04:40,948 Well, did he have any financial problems 84 00:04:40,981 --> 00:04:42,816 or personal problems? 85 00:04:42,850 --> 00:04:44,485 Not that I know of. 86 00:04:44,518 --> 00:04:47,488 Did he go to church a lot? 87 00:04:47,521 --> 00:04:48,856 I don't know. 88 00:04:48,889 --> 00:04:49,923 How about his mood? 89 00:04:49,957 --> 00:04:51,959 Was he depressed, upbeat? 90 00:04:51,992 --> 00:04:53,727 Upbeat, definitely. 91 00:04:53,761 --> 00:04:55,729 He had a big audition this week for a new TV show. 92 00:04:55,763 --> 00:04:56,797 Really? 93 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:57,965 Yeah, his friend Chris 94 00:04:57,998 --> 00:04:59,433 is some big shot writer/producer. 95 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:00,968 Do you know Chris' last name? 96 00:05:01,001 --> 00:05:02,936 Borrato. 97 00:05:02,970 --> 00:05:05,739 Chris Borrato. 98 00:05:05,773 --> 00:05:07,475 We worked together on a movie I wrote 99 00:05:07,508 --> 00:05:09,510 about five years ago called Tragic Man. 100 00:05:09,543 --> 00:05:10,944 A piece of crap, frankly, 101 00:05:10,978 --> 00:05:12,045 but, uh, you know, it got made. 102 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:14,948 Anyways, Jeff and I have been friendly ever since. 103 00:05:14,982 --> 00:05:17,751 So you were gonna audition him for your new TV show? 104 00:05:17,785 --> 00:05:19,119 Well, yeah, poor guy needed a break. 105 00:05:19,152 --> 00:05:20,854 I mean, he's not exactly Brando, 106 00:05:20,888 --> 00:05:21,889 but he's a good guy. 107 00:05:21,922 --> 00:05:22,756 I figured, why not? 108 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:24,124 When was the last time you two talked? 109 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:26,494 On the phone, day before he died. 110 00:05:26,527 --> 00:05:27,861 He mention any problems or arguments or anything? 111 00:05:27,895 --> 00:05:29,963 No. He talked about the role of Jake Falls, 112 00:05:29,997 --> 00:05:32,966 a 26-year-old lawyer married to his college sweetheart, 113 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,869 struggling with his meaningless middle-class existence. 114 00:05:35,903 --> 00:05:38,005 Did Jeff have a boyfriend? 115 00:05:38,038 --> 00:05:39,473 Uh, last dude I remember him with 116 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:41,375 is some banker named Mike Gorman? 117 00:05:41,409 --> 00:05:42,910 He worked for Goldman Sachs, I think. 118 00:05:42,943 --> 00:05:45,145 Was he religious? 119 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:46,279 Uh, last week he asked me 120 00:05:46,313 --> 00:05:48,549 if I heard of something called The New Promise Church. 121 00:05:48,582 --> 00:05:50,951 The New Promise Church? Yeah. 122 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:52,085 I just rolled my eyes. 123 00:05:52,119 --> 00:05:53,954 I mean, please, enough already 124 00:05:53,987 --> 00:05:56,056 with the spiritual journey thing. 125 00:05:59,527 --> 00:06:00,628 (Green) Wow, I guess religion 126 00:06:00,661 --> 00:06:02,463 really pays off. 127 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:04,097 (Patty) Can I help you? 128 00:06:04,131 --> 00:06:07,568 Hi. We need to speak to your minister. 129 00:06:07,601 --> 00:06:08,902 Reverend Sterling, the senior pastor, 130 00:06:08,936 --> 00:06:10,904 is giving a sermon in Tampa today. 131 00:06:10,938 --> 00:06:13,006 Okay, is there someone else we could talk to? 132 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,508 Mr. Jepson, the CEO is here. 133 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:15,809 The CEO? 134 00:06:15,843 --> 00:06:17,445 Mm-hmm. 135 00:06:17,478 --> 00:06:20,013 What can I do for you folks? 136 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:21,048 Hi. 137 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:23,451 Listen, we believe that a member of your church 138 00:06:23,484 --> 00:06:24,585 was murdered. 139 00:06:24,618 --> 00:06:27,054 Really? Uh... I had no idea. 140 00:06:27,087 --> 00:06:28,556 That's terrible. 141 00:06:28,589 --> 00:06:29,857 Who is it? 142 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:32,025 His name was Jeff Cantwell. 143 00:06:32,059 --> 00:06:34,562 I'll have to check our database. 144 00:06:34,595 --> 00:06:37,865 We have over 150,000 members. 145 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:40,868 No, I'm sorry, 146 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:43,003 but I don't see the name "Cantwell" in our files. 147 00:06:43,036 --> 00:06:45,138 How many churches do you have? 148 00:06:45,172 --> 00:06:48,609 In the tri-state area, 15. Nationwide, 125. 149 00:06:48,642 --> 00:06:50,478 That's a lot of churches. 150 00:06:50,511 --> 00:06:53,113 If you sell a quality product, people will buy it. 151 00:06:54,982 --> 00:06:56,684 (Cassady) "If you are lost, 152 00:06:56,717 --> 00:06:58,886 "confused, homosexual, 153 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:01,121 we can help you find salvation through God's loving spirit." 154 00:07:01,154 --> 00:07:02,022 [phone beeps] 155 00:07:02,055 --> 00:07:03,991 Maybe Cantwell was trying to cure himself. 156 00:07:04,024 --> 00:07:06,960 Well, maybe. 157 00:07:06,994 --> 00:07:11,231 Cantwell's ex-boyfriend just got back from London. 158 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:13,033 (Gorman) I haven't seen Jeff in about six months. 159 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:14,635 We've talked a few times, but that's about it. 160 00:07:14,668 --> 00:07:16,504 How long did you two date? 161 00:07:16,537 --> 00:07:18,005 About six months, maybe less. 162 00:07:18,038 --> 00:07:19,239 It wasn't very serious. 163 00:07:19,272 --> 00:07:21,709 Was Jeff born-again, by any chance? 164 00:07:21,742 --> 00:07:23,977 Not that I know of, no. 165 00:07:24,011 --> 00:07:25,579 What about you? Are you into religion? 166 00:07:25,613 --> 00:07:27,114 Uh, reformed Jew: 167 00:07:27,147 --> 00:07:29,883 Passover dinner, temple on Yom Kippur. 168 00:07:29,917 --> 00:07:32,720 Was he uncomfortable with his sexuality? 169 00:07:32,753 --> 00:07:34,021 Uncomfortable? 170 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:36,256 No, he was the gayest man I've ever met. 171 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:39,993 He was proud, strong, active in gay causes. 172 00:07:40,027 --> 00:07:40,861 So he wouldn't be the type 173 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:42,996 to try to cure himself through religion? 174 00:07:43,030 --> 00:07:44,965 [chuckles] God, no. No. 175 00:07:44,998 --> 00:07:47,134 No pun intended. 176 00:07:47,167 --> 00:07:49,937 Did Jeff have any enemies? 177 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:52,005 Enemies. Uh... 178 00:07:52,039 --> 00:07:54,007 The only one I can think of is his ex-agent. 179 00:07:54,041 --> 00:07:55,609 They hated each other. 180 00:07:55,643 --> 00:07:56,910 (Cassady) Why? 181 00:07:56,944 --> 00:07:59,146 Well, Jeff claims that he stole an idea 182 00:07:59,179 --> 00:08:00,313 from a screenplay he'd written. 183 00:08:00,347 --> 00:08:03,116 Agent denies it, of course, but Jeff sued him anyway. 184 00:08:03,150 --> 00:08:04,084 He sued over that? 185 00:08:04,117 --> 00:08:06,153 Well, turns out the idea he claims was stolen 186 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:09,923 is about to be made into a $100-million movie. 187 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:14,294 (Bryce) Look, I'm sorry Jeff's dead, I am, 188 00:08:14,327 --> 00:08:16,163 but I gotta be honest with ya, 189 00:08:16,196 --> 00:08:18,065 he was a pain in the ass. 190 00:08:18,098 --> 00:08:19,633 Were you concerned that his lawsuit 191 00:08:19,667 --> 00:08:22,102 was gonna screw up that $100-million movie? 192 00:08:22,135 --> 00:08:25,072 Oh, please. Jeff's script was a joke, okay? 193 00:08:25,105 --> 00:08:28,742 A gay romantic comedy about three actors from Queens? 194 00:08:28,776 --> 00:08:30,043 The movie in pre-production 195 00:08:30,077 --> 00:08:31,178 is a Wall Street murder/thriller. 196 00:08:31,211 --> 00:08:32,546 The only thing the same 197 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:34,047 is they're both written on paper. 198 00:08:34,081 --> 00:08:35,949 When was the last time you saw him? 199 00:08:35,983 --> 00:08:37,618 A few months ago when I let him go. 200 00:08:37,651 --> 00:08:38,752 You let him go? He wasn't bookin' jobs. 201 00:08:38,786 --> 00:08:40,053 I had no choice. 202 00:08:40,087 --> 00:08:42,656 Do you read the Bible? 203 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:44,658 I read the Daily Variety and the NY Post. 204 00:08:44,692 --> 00:08:46,960 Where were you the night Cantwell was killed? 205 00:08:46,994 --> 00:08:49,963 At the Knicks game with a client, 206 00:08:49,997 --> 00:08:53,300 on the floor, three seats away from Spike. 207 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:55,202 (Green) The agent's alibi checks out. 208 00:08:55,235 --> 00:08:56,570 So what now? 209 00:08:56,604 --> 00:08:57,470 We start all over again. 210 00:08:57,504 --> 00:08:59,139 We check his phone calls, his emails, 211 00:08:59,172 --> 00:09:00,173 see if we missed anything. 212 00:09:00,207 --> 00:09:01,975 Just got off the phone with TARU. 213 00:09:02,009 --> 00:09:04,645 Turns out Cantwell has five different email addresses. 214 00:09:04,678 --> 00:09:05,613 (Van Buren) And? 215 00:09:05,646 --> 00:09:07,748 Well, on the night of the murder, at 9:30 p.m., 216 00:09:07,781 --> 00:09:11,051 there was an email sent to jlove@toomail.net-- 217 00:09:11,084 --> 00:09:12,219 one of Cantwell's addresses-- 218 00:09:12,252 --> 00:09:14,688 "Can I see you tonight, sweetie?" 219 00:09:14,722 --> 00:09:15,689 Who sent it? 220 00:09:15,723 --> 00:09:19,059 Uh, Steevo@gbc.bz. 221 00:09:19,092 --> 00:09:20,327 (Van Buren) Well, let's find out 222 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,164 who Steevo is and pay him a visit. 223 00:09:24,197 --> 00:09:27,234 I--I--I don't normally-- I'm not the kind of guy that-- 224 00:09:27,267 --> 00:09:31,171 Look--look, I work 20 hours a day. 225 00:09:31,204 --> 00:09:33,641 I'm old, tired, fat. 226 00:09:33,674 --> 00:09:35,308 I mean, what am I supposed to do, 227 00:09:35,342 --> 00:09:38,111 hit all the clubs in Chelsea with all the beautiful people? 228 00:09:38,145 --> 00:09:39,713 Oh, I'd really clean up down there, huh? 229 00:09:39,747 --> 00:09:42,282 "Hi, I'm Steve, the fat accountant, 230 00:09:42,315 --> 00:09:45,085 want to drop some X, maybe dance all night?" 231 00:09:45,118 --> 00:09:46,053 Please. 232 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:48,155 What are you trying to say, Mr. Franklin? 233 00:09:48,188 --> 00:09:49,389 Well, I found his photo 234 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:52,059 on this website... 235 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:53,126 [typing] 236 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,729 BootyBoys.bz. 237 00:09:55,763 --> 00:09:57,798 I figured, what the hell? Have some fun, right? 238 00:09:57,831 --> 00:10:00,634 So I emailed him, but he didn't respond. 239 00:10:00,668 --> 00:10:02,169 BootyBoys? Yeah. 240 00:10:02,202 --> 00:10:03,804 Check it out for yourself. 241 00:10:11,011 --> 00:10:12,946 So Jeff Cantwell was an escort? 242 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:14,882 You mean "J-Love." 243 00:10:14,915 --> 00:10:18,185 Well, are we sure J-Love and the chubby accountant 244 00:10:18,218 --> 00:10:19,687 never hooked up that night? 245 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,154 Positive. He got off work at 10:00, and he went 246 00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:22,856 to the Silver Spoon Diner on Second Avenue. 247 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:24,357 He have a receipt? 248 00:10:24,391 --> 00:10:25,993 No. But he used his corporate AMEX. 249 00:10:26,026 --> 00:10:28,228 Time of payment was 10:36 p.m. 250 00:10:28,261 --> 00:10:31,431 All right, look through Cantwell's email correspondence, 251 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:34,101 see if he had any connection to a religious organization. 252 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:38,005 That open Bible wasn't a coincidence. 253 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:43,110 Well, the incoming emails aren't that interesting: 254 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,444 "You're hot, wanna hookup?", 255 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:47,447 "You bring the meth, I'll bring my ass. Deal?" 256 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,317 [chuckles] "How much to lick your knee?" 257 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:52,285 Well, the outgoing ones are a whole lot better, 258 00:10:52,319 --> 00:10:53,453 I can promise you that. Oh, yeah? 259 00:10:53,486 --> 00:10:54,354 Yeah, listen to this. 260 00:10:54,387 --> 00:10:58,058 This is from Jeff Cantwell to a NormS. 261 00:10:58,091 --> 00:11:00,393 "I know who you are, and your name's not Norm. 262 00:11:00,427 --> 00:11:03,430 "You're a hypocritical pig who deserves to be outed, 263 00:11:03,463 --> 00:11:05,733 "to be exposed for the fraud that you are. 264 00:11:05,766 --> 00:11:08,736 "You make me sick. Never call me again, faggot. 265 00:11:08,769 --> 00:11:11,471 "That's right, dude, you're gay--G-A-Y. 266 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:12,305 Deal with it." 267 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:14,975 We know who this NormS is? Get this. 268 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:19,146 The Reverend James Sterling, The New Promise Church. 269 00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:24,852 Can I help you? 270 00:11:24,885 --> 00:11:27,020 We need to speak with Reverend Sterling. 271 00:11:27,054 --> 00:11:28,155 About what? 272 00:11:28,188 --> 00:11:29,322 Is he home? 273 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:30,758 I'm his wife. Perhaps I can help. 274 00:11:30,791 --> 00:11:32,292 You can help by answering the question: 275 00:11:32,325 --> 00:11:33,260 is your husband home? 276 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:34,227 (Reverend Sterling) Hi there. 277 00:11:34,261 --> 00:11:37,164 I'm Reverend Sterling. How can I help you? 278 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:38,165 Detective Green, Detective Cassady. 279 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:40,100 We need to speak with you for a few moments. 280 00:11:40,133 --> 00:11:41,468 All right, um, darlin', 281 00:11:41,501 --> 00:11:42,770 would you give us a few minutes? 282 00:11:42,803 --> 00:11:44,371 All right. Thank you. 283 00:11:44,404 --> 00:11:45,939 Come on in. 284 00:11:50,343 --> 00:11:52,746 Do you know someone named Jeff Cantwell? 285 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:55,315 Uh, coffee? 286 00:11:55,348 --> 00:11:57,517 Uh, I can't say that the name rings a bell, 287 00:11:57,550 --> 00:11:58,518 but in my line of work, 288 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:00,187 I meet lots of wonderful people all the time. 289 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:02,790 Do you ever exchange emails 290 00:12:02,823 --> 00:12:04,324 with someone called "J-Love"? 291 00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:06,093 It's possible, 292 00:12:06,126 --> 00:12:08,461 but I get hundreds of emails every day. 293 00:12:08,495 --> 00:12:09,462 Please. 294 00:12:09,496 --> 00:12:11,364 From "wonderful people"? 295 00:12:11,398 --> 00:12:12,399 Yes. 296 00:12:12,432 --> 00:12:13,466 (Green) And you don't recall 297 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,969 an email address, "J-Love"? 298 00:12:16,003 --> 00:12:17,537 I'm afraid I don't, no. 299 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:21,474 Have you ever used the services of a gay escort? 300 00:12:21,508 --> 00:12:22,976 That's preposterous. 301 00:12:25,045 --> 00:12:27,080 Where were you last Tuesday night? 302 00:12:28,448 --> 00:12:30,017 If you would be kind enough 303 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:32,352 to let me know what this is all about, um, 304 00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:35,355 I might be able to be more helpful. 305 00:12:35,388 --> 00:12:37,490 Someone killed Jeff Cantwell last Tuesday. 306 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:40,093 We're trying to figure out who. 307 00:12:40,127 --> 00:12:42,229 Clear enough? 308 00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:43,530 [exhales] 309 00:12:43,563 --> 00:12:46,166 How is the family coping with the tragedy? 310 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:49,036 Where were you Tuesday night, Reverend? 311 00:12:51,071 --> 00:12:53,240 I'd love to continue this discussion, 312 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:56,543 um, but I feel I may need to consult an attorney. 313 00:12:56,576 --> 00:12:59,079 You almost sounded innocent. 314 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:01,014 Yeah, all right. 315 00:13:01,048 --> 00:13:03,383 You all have a nice day. 316 00:13:03,416 --> 00:13:07,154 And may the Lord be with you. 317 00:13:07,187 --> 00:13:08,288 (Cassady) Well, so now what? 318 00:13:08,321 --> 00:13:10,123 Let's go talk to Mr. CEO again. 319 00:13:10,157 --> 00:13:11,224 You think he's involved? 320 00:13:11,258 --> 00:13:15,062 He stands to lose a lot if this church disappears. 321 00:13:15,095 --> 00:13:16,263 (Green) So where were you last Tuesday? 322 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:18,866 During the day, I was in Erie, Pennsylvania, 323 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:21,034 talking to various members of our congregation. 324 00:13:21,068 --> 00:13:22,535 That night, I had dinner 325 00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:24,604 with our Board of Directors in Pittsburgh. 326 00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:26,439 Can you provide proof? 327 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:28,508 I'll have my secretary pull the receipts. 328 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:32,612 Was Reverend Sterling with you? 329 00:13:32,645 --> 00:13:34,214 No. 330 00:13:34,247 --> 00:13:36,183 Do you know where he was? 331 00:13:36,216 --> 00:13:38,251 No. I don't monitor his schedule. 332 00:13:38,285 --> 00:13:39,552 (Cassady) What do you think 333 00:13:39,586 --> 00:13:41,221 Sterling would do 334 00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:44,157 if someone threatened to tell the world he was gay? 335 00:13:44,191 --> 00:13:46,226 Excuse me? 336 00:13:46,259 --> 00:13:47,594 Hypothetical question. 337 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:52,165 (Jepson) Reverend Sterling is a wonderful man. 338 00:13:52,199 --> 00:13:54,134 He and his wife Dawn have created a church 339 00:13:54,167 --> 00:13:56,569 that embraces the forgotten, 340 00:13:56,603 --> 00:13:58,906 the disadvantaged, the disgraced-- 341 00:13:58,939 --> 00:14:00,507 Everyone except the gays. 342 00:14:00,540 --> 00:14:02,309 Excuse me? 343 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:03,110 Well, you don't seem 344 00:14:03,143 --> 00:14:06,146 to exactly embrace homosexuality. 345 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:08,515 It's not that we don't embrace it. 346 00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:09,649 We just don't believe 347 00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:13,086 that God intended for a man to be with another man. 348 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,354 What about Sterling? 349 00:14:14,387 --> 00:14:16,156 He ever enjoy the company of another man 350 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:17,624 every once in a while? 351 00:14:20,961 --> 00:14:23,396 He's happily and faithfully married 352 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:25,365 to a terrific woman. 353 00:14:26,967 --> 00:14:29,136 Thank you for your time, Mr. Jepson. 354 00:14:31,138 --> 00:14:33,573 I'm no Bible thumper, 355 00:14:33,606 --> 00:14:35,342 just a mother of two looking to make a living. 356 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:37,677 And these religious folks pay well. 357 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:40,313 What I'm saying is, I don't want to get fired. 358 00:14:40,347 --> 00:14:41,348 We understand. 359 00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:42,582 It's just between us. 360 00:14:42,615 --> 00:14:43,516 Good. 361 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:46,219 A year ago, there was a rumor going around 362 00:14:46,253 --> 00:14:48,121 that Reverend Sterling was involved 363 00:14:48,155 --> 00:14:49,923 with a male member of the congregation, 364 00:14:49,957 --> 00:14:51,691 a young kid, about 18 or 19. 365 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:53,293 Do you know the kid's name? 366 00:14:53,326 --> 00:14:57,164 I can find out. 367 00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:00,700 (Nick) Yeah, I know Reverend Sterling. 368 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,236 Were you ever involved with him? 369 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:04,437 What's that supposed to mean? 370 00:15:04,471 --> 00:15:06,339 Did you date? No. 371 00:15:06,373 --> 00:15:07,574 Why are you protecting him? 372 00:15:07,607 --> 00:15:08,976 I'm not. 373 00:15:09,009 --> 00:15:11,511 Look, we think that Reverend Sterling 374 00:15:11,544 --> 00:15:13,180 may have been involved in the murder 375 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:14,982 of a young gay male. 376 00:15:15,015 --> 00:15:16,984 I'm just trying to get an idea of what he might be like 377 00:15:17,017 --> 00:15:18,418 when he's not standing at the altar, preaching. 378 00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:20,153 You know what I'm saying? 379 00:15:30,998 --> 00:15:32,632 He's a fraud. 380 00:15:32,665 --> 00:15:34,301 That's what he's like. 381 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:36,403 He spends his days yapping about Jesus 382 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:37,670 and purity and family values, 383 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:39,206 And then his nights, 384 00:15:39,239 --> 00:15:40,740 he's snorting meth and screwing gay boys. 385 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:43,410 He's a poser. 386 00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:46,213 He's a self-righteous, self-hating poser. 387 00:15:46,246 --> 00:15:47,214 Okay, let's try this again. 388 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:49,282 Did you two date? 389 00:15:49,316 --> 00:15:51,684 Yeah, for about three months. 390 00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:54,387 Was he ever violent? 391 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:56,223 Once. He hit me in the face. 392 00:15:56,256 --> 00:15:58,225 Why? 393 00:15:58,258 --> 00:16:00,293 I said I loved him. 394 00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:02,562 [chuckles] 395 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,566 (Reverend Sterling) In fact, the Bible demands 396 00:16:06,599 --> 00:16:09,569 that we be fruitful and multiply. 397 00:16:09,602 --> 00:16:12,639 "But from the beginning, God made them male and female. 398 00:16:12,672 --> 00:16:15,775 "For this cause shall a man leave his mother and his father 399 00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:17,710 "and cleave to his wife. 400 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:19,646 "And they twain shall be one flesh. 401 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:22,315 So they are no more twain, but one flesh." 402 00:16:22,349 --> 00:16:24,384 So how can we, 403 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:26,686 as the descendants of God and his teachings, 404 00:16:26,719 --> 00:16:29,356 bless the union of two men? 405 00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:32,292 The answer, my friends is, we cannot. 406 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:36,563 It is degrading, it is unholy, 407 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:39,366 and most importantly, it is against God's will. 408 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:41,334 Leviticus 18:22 states, 409 00:16:41,368 --> 00:16:42,469 "Thou shalt not lie 410 00:16:42,502 --> 00:16:44,304 "with mankind as with womankind. 411 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:46,039 It is an abomination." 412 00:16:46,073 --> 00:16:49,476 Nice to hear it from our pal Leviticus again. 413 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:51,744 What date did this piece run on CNBC? 414 00:16:51,778 --> 00:16:53,546 November 17th. 415 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:56,683 And when did Cantwell send Sterling the email? 416 00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:57,717 November 18th. 417 00:16:57,750 --> 00:17:01,321 Cantwell sees Norm, his lover of a year or so, 418 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,423 on TV dogging gay marriage. 419 00:17:03,456 --> 00:17:04,624 He gets pissed, 420 00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:07,627 fires off a email threatening to out him. 421 00:17:07,660 --> 00:17:09,262 Sterling freaks out. 422 00:17:09,296 --> 00:17:10,330 And shoots Cantwell in the head 423 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:11,531 before he has a chance to out him. 424 00:17:11,564 --> 00:17:12,832 Hey, good news. 425 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:15,268 The Reverend owns three licensed handguns, 426 00:17:15,302 --> 00:17:16,636 so we had his fingerprints on file. 427 00:17:16,669 --> 00:17:19,506 CSU found a positive match in Cantwell's bedroom. 428 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:20,640 What about the gun? 429 00:17:20,673 --> 00:17:22,342 Nothin'. 430 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:23,276 (Van Buren) And the Bible? No, nothin'. 431 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:26,313 It's still enough for a search warrant. 432 00:17:29,682 --> 00:17:33,120 My husband is a minister, a man of God. 433 00:17:33,153 --> 00:17:35,522 I mean, do you really think he'd be involved in the murder 434 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:38,525 of a homosexual prostitute? 435 00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:40,327 Look, why do you hate us so much? 436 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:41,428 Why, is it because we have the courage 437 00:17:41,461 --> 00:17:42,662 to worship the Lord, 438 00:17:42,695 --> 00:17:44,764 because we believe in the sanctity of marriage, 439 00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:47,734 because we renounce homosexuality? 440 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:51,404 Lieu, there you are. 441 00:17:51,438 --> 00:17:52,839 We found trace evidence of the victim's blood 442 00:17:52,872 --> 00:17:54,341 in the front seat of Sterling's car. 443 00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:56,409 Are you sure it's a match? Positive. 444 00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:57,610 Arrest him. 445 00:17:57,644 --> 00:17:59,112 Hey, Ed? 446 00:17:59,146 --> 00:18:00,680 Make this one public. 447 00:18:00,713 --> 00:18:04,884 I want that hypocritical preacher to feel some pain. 448 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,519 (Reverend Sterling) Thank you very much. No problem. 449 00:18:06,553 --> 00:18:08,888 Thank you very much. Come again, all right? 450 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:10,890 Thank you. Absolutely. No problem. 451 00:18:10,923 --> 00:18:12,692 James Sterling, you're under arrest 452 00:18:12,725 --> 00:18:13,826 for the murder of Jeff Cantwell. 453 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,128 [Congregationalists gasp] 454 00:18:15,162 --> 00:18:16,329 It's all right, everyone. 455 00:18:16,363 --> 00:18:18,531 Nothin' to worry about. 456 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:20,667 "So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west... 457 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:21,868 (Green) You have the right to remain silent... 458 00:18:21,901 --> 00:18:23,503 "And His glory from the rising of the sun... 459 00:18:23,536 --> 00:18:24,471 Anything you say 460 00:18:24,504 --> 00:18:25,872 can be used against you in a court of law... 461 00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:28,408 "When his enemy shall come in like a flood, 462 00:18:28,441 --> 00:18:31,544 the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him!" 463 00:18:31,578 --> 00:18:32,712 Do you understand these rights... 464 00:18:32,745 --> 00:18:34,847 Brothers and sisters, I'm innocent! 465 00:18:34,881 --> 00:18:35,882 Innocent! 466 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:41,754 (Clerk) Docket number 0241575: 467 00:18:41,788 --> 00:18:43,456 People v. James Sterling. 468 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:46,193 Charge is murder in the Second Degree. 469 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:47,394 How does the defendant plead? 470 00:18:47,427 --> 00:18:48,428 Not guilty. 471 00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:50,430 Bail? 472 00:18:50,463 --> 00:18:51,931 People request $1 million. 473 00:18:51,964 --> 00:18:53,266 Due to the gravity of the crime 474 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:54,467 and the defendant's financial means, 475 00:18:54,501 --> 00:18:55,868 we believe he's a flight risk. 476 00:18:55,902 --> 00:18:57,437 (Meyers) Your Honor, Reverend Sterling 477 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,872 has informed me that he will not post bail. 478 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:01,574 He is the Senior Pastor 479 00:19:01,608 --> 00:19:04,177 of The New Promise Church and wants to be remanded 480 00:19:04,211 --> 00:19:05,578 so that he may provide fellow inmates 481 00:19:05,612 --> 00:19:07,214 with much-needed spiritual 482 00:19:07,247 --> 00:19:09,216 and religious guidance. 483 00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:11,184 Is that true, Mr. Sterling? 484 00:19:11,218 --> 00:19:13,286 You wa to go to jail? 485 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,222 Yes, Your Honor. I'm looking forward to it. 486 00:19:15,255 --> 00:19:18,558 You want it, you got it, baby. 487 00:19:18,591 --> 00:19:21,394 The defendant is hereby remanded. 488 00:19:21,428 --> 00:19:23,196 Next case. 489 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:27,900 (Clerk) Docket number 0385726... 490 00:19:27,934 --> 00:19:29,202 Asking to go to prison 491 00:19:29,236 --> 00:19:31,304 so he could save thou fellow man? 492 00:19:31,338 --> 00:19:33,306 He sure knows how to generate press. What? 493 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:35,375 You're not buying the reverend's altruistic motives? 494 00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:36,609 He's a businessman, 495 00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:37,610 not a preacher. 496 00:19:37,644 --> 00:19:41,214 He and his wife have created a religious empire, 497 00:19:41,248 --> 00:19:42,949 an evangelical Starbucks. 498 00:19:42,982 --> 00:19:44,284 It wouldn't surprise me 499 00:19:44,317 --> 00:19:45,184 if they went public sometime soon. 500 00:19:45,218 --> 00:19:47,587 Probably be a hell of an offering too. 501 00:19:47,620 --> 00:19:49,256 125 churches, 502 00:19:49,289 --> 00:19:50,657 150,000 members, 503 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:54,261 not to mention merchandising and licensing division. 504 00:19:54,294 --> 00:19:56,563 $50 million in sales last year alone. 505 00:19:56,596 --> 00:19:58,998 Sounds to me like motive. 506 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:01,468 Super-conservative, anti-gay-preacher 507 00:20:01,501 --> 00:20:03,870 kills the man looking to out him 508 00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:07,240 to save profitable conglomerate. 509 00:20:07,274 --> 00:20:09,342 What kind of evidence do we have? 510 00:20:09,376 --> 00:20:11,544 Victim's blood in the defendant's car, 511 00:20:11,578 --> 00:20:14,881 threatening email from the victim to the defendant, 512 00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:18,285 a phone call to the victim on the night of the murder 513 00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:21,388 from a pay phone one mile from Sterling's home, 514 00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:24,357 his fingerprint at the crime scene. 515 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:26,025 What's Sterling's defense? 516 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:27,427 Your guess is as good as mine. 517 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:29,262 [knock on door] 518 00:20:29,296 --> 00:20:30,963 Sterling's attorney just called, 519 00:20:30,997 --> 00:20:32,265 and they want to meet today. 520 00:20:34,501 --> 00:20:36,336 (Reverend Sterling) I knew Jeff Cantwell, 521 00:20:36,369 --> 00:20:38,037 not well, but I knew him. 522 00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:41,341 But our relationship wasn't sexual, as you suggest. 523 00:20:41,374 --> 00:20:42,875 It was spiritual. 524 00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:45,312 I was trying to help Jeff cure his demons. 525 00:20:45,345 --> 00:20:46,979 (Rubirosa) You were trying to fix him? 526 00:20:47,013 --> 00:20:48,615 I was trying to save him. 527 00:20:48,648 --> 00:20:50,883 What happened the night of the murder, Mr. Sterling? 528 00:20:50,917 --> 00:20:52,485 Reverend Sterling. 529 00:20:54,421 --> 00:20:56,623 What happened on the night of the murder? 530 00:20:56,656 --> 00:20:57,990 We spent a few hours 531 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:01,428 together, talking about God, 532 00:21:01,461 --> 00:21:04,331 life, family... 533 00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:06,299 but Jeff wasn't doing too well. 534 00:21:06,333 --> 00:21:08,735 He was distraught, frustrated. 535 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,304 He wanted to embrace the Lord 536 00:21:11,338 --> 00:21:13,440 and give up his life of indulgence and immorality, 537 00:21:13,473 --> 00:21:14,641 but he couldn't. 538 00:21:14,674 --> 00:21:16,743 And it was destroying him. 539 00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:18,345 I could see it in his eyes. 540 00:21:18,378 --> 00:21:21,348 See what? 541 00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:23,015 Defeat. 542 00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:27,019 When I left that night, he said, "I would rather be dead 543 00:21:27,053 --> 00:21:31,458 than to live a life of impurity and degradation." 544 00:21:31,491 --> 00:21:32,992 I told him to stay strong, 545 00:21:33,025 --> 00:21:34,427 to maintain his faith in Jesus. 546 00:21:34,461 --> 00:21:37,029 Are you saying that he killed himself 547 00:21:37,063 --> 00:21:39,031 because he couldn't cope with being gay? 548 00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:42,101 Yes. 549 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,103 I don't believe you. 550 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:47,106 I did not kill that man, 551 00:21:47,139 --> 00:21:49,676 I swear to the Lord Jesus Christ. 552 00:21:49,709 --> 00:21:53,513 Please, save your hollow invocations for the jury. 553 00:21:57,717 --> 00:21:59,085 Last night, I watched some of Sterling's 554 00:21:59,118 --> 00:22:00,953 inspirational videos. 555 00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:02,054 Only cost 19.99. 556 00:22:02,088 --> 00:22:04,123 And? Meyers was right. 557 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,393 Sterling knows how to talk. And sell. 558 00:22:06,426 --> 00:22:07,760 I didn't agree with anything he said, 559 00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:09,762 and still I wanted to donate half my salary. 560 00:22:09,796 --> 00:22:11,130 That's why we need to limit his ability 561 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:12,665 to preach from the witness box. 562 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,067 [buzzer] What do you mean? 563 00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:17,370 The less he gets to talk 564 00:22:17,404 --> 00:22:19,071 about trying to save Cantwell, 565 00:22:19,105 --> 00:22:20,507 the better. 566 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:26,479 (McCoy) Unless the person confessing waives the privilege, 567 00:22:26,513 --> 00:22:30,450 a clergyman shall not disclose communications made to him 568 00:22:30,483 --> 00:22:32,084 in his capacity as a spiritual advisor. 569 00:22:32,118 --> 00:22:34,120 You're trying to prevent the defendant 570 00:22:34,153 --> 00:22:36,489 from discussing the content of his conversations 571 00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:37,557 with the deceased? 572 00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:39,091 The defendant is a clergyman. 573 00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:41,728 His defense says that he knew the victim, 574 00:22:41,761 --> 00:22:44,431 but not in a sexual capacity, only spiritual. 575 00:22:44,464 --> 00:22:46,666 If that's the case, he shouldn't be allowed 576 00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:48,435 to disclose the content 577 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:51,103 of those spiritual communications. 578 00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:52,439 First, Mr. McCoy has no standing 579 00:22:52,472 --> 00:22:53,506 to invoke the deceased's privilege. 580 00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:56,075 Unfortunately, Mr. Cantwell is dead, 581 00:22:56,108 --> 00:22:57,209 so he can't invoke it himself. 582 00:22:57,243 --> 00:23:00,112 Second, the priest-penitent privilege is statutory, 583 00:23:00,146 --> 00:23:01,013 and there's nothing in the statute 584 00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:03,149 suggesting the privilege survives death. 585 00:23:03,182 --> 00:23:05,084 Nor does it state that it doesn't. 586 00:23:05,117 --> 00:23:06,719 (Meyers) Third, my client has a constitutional right 587 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:08,154 to a fair trial. 588 00:23:08,187 --> 00:23:09,422 If he can't talk about 589 00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:10,557 his conversations with Cantwell, 590 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:12,459 we can't present our case. 591 00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:16,829 I agree with Ms. Meyers. 592 00:23:16,863 --> 00:23:18,498 This is a murder trial. 593 00:23:18,531 --> 00:23:19,499 The defendant 594 00:23:19,532 --> 00:23:21,501 should have the ability to present his defense. 595 00:23:21,534 --> 00:23:22,802 And if he needs to disclose the content 596 00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:25,738 of certain conversations with the deceased, so be it. 597 00:23:29,509 --> 00:23:31,444 (Reverend Sterling) I first met Jeff a year ago. 598 00:23:31,478 --> 00:23:32,745 He came to one of my sermons. 599 00:23:32,779 --> 00:23:35,214 Afterwards, he approached me and asked for my help. 600 00:23:35,247 --> 00:23:36,816 Help with what? 601 00:23:36,849 --> 00:23:39,085 To conquer the wanton and malignant spirits 602 00:23:39,118 --> 00:23:40,587 devouring his soul. 603 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:41,621 Could you be more specific? 604 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:45,692 Mr. Cantwell wanted to denounce his homosexuality 605 00:23:45,725 --> 00:23:47,560 and live out the life that God intended. 606 00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:48,628 I was determined 607 00:23:48,661 --> 00:23:49,896 that I was going to help him achieve that objective. 608 00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:52,231 (Meyers) How many times did you meet him? 609 00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:54,534 (Reverend Sterling) Twice a month. Sometimes more. 610 00:23:54,567 --> 00:23:56,569 Why'd you spend so much time with him? 611 00:23:56,603 --> 00:23:58,638 Why? 612 00:23:58,671 --> 00:24:00,773 Because he needed it. 613 00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:03,710 He was depressed, confused, suicidal. 614 00:24:03,743 --> 00:24:06,513 Suicidal? 615 00:24:06,546 --> 00:24:09,148 Yes. About five months ago, we were in my car 616 00:24:09,181 --> 00:24:10,917 when he tried to slit his own wrists. 617 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,185 Luckily, I managed to get the blade from him 618 00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:14,386 and stop the bleeding. 619 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:15,888 (Meyers) Did you take him to a hospital? 620 00:24:15,922 --> 00:24:17,657 No. The wounds weren't that deep, 621 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:20,126 And I was able to bandage it myself. 622 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:21,794 Were you with Mr. Cantwell the night he was died? 623 00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:23,596 Yes. 624 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:25,498 In the afternoon. 625 00:24:25,532 --> 00:24:27,534 He'd been drinking and doing drugs. 626 00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:28,935 He said he wanted to kill himself. 627 00:24:28,968 --> 00:24:30,537 (Meyers) What did you do? 628 00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:32,572 Read the Bible with him, 629 00:24:32,605 --> 00:24:35,742 and I tried my best to talk him out of his depression. 630 00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:37,777 What time did you leave? Around 6:00. 631 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:39,612 Was he alive? Yes. 632 00:24:39,646 --> 00:24:41,648 Where did you go after that? 633 00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:45,552 To my office in Peekskill to prepare a sermon. 634 00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:48,521 I worked until about 9:30, and then I drove home. 635 00:24:48,555 --> 00:24:50,222 Make any phone calls that night? 636 00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:51,691 I called my wife 637 00:24:51,724 --> 00:24:53,159 on her cell phone, I believe, 638 00:24:53,192 --> 00:24:54,561 to tell her that I was running late. 639 00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:57,564 Defense Exhibit 22: 640 00:24:57,597 --> 00:24:58,497 phone records relating 641 00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:00,533 to Reverend Sterling's Peekskill office. 642 00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:02,301 As you will see, 643 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:03,903 a call was made to his wife's cell phone 644 00:25:03,936 --> 00:25:05,738 at 8:20 p.m. that night. 645 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,176 What time did you get home that night, Reverend Sterling? 646 00:25:10,209 --> 00:25:11,043 Around 10:00. 647 00:25:11,077 --> 00:25:12,845 I watched a little TV with my wife, 648 00:25:12,879 --> 00:25:14,714 and then we went to bed. 649 00:25:14,747 --> 00:25:16,849 (Meyers) Reverend... 650 00:25:16,883 --> 00:25:18,818 did you kill Jeff Cantwell? 651 00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:21,253 Absolutely not. 652 00:25:21,287 --> 00:25:23,289 Nothing further. 653 00:25:29,295 --> 00:25:32,599 When you talked with Detectives Cassady and Green, 654 00:25:32,632 --> 00:25:35,802 how come you didn't tell them that you were in Peekskill, 655 00:25:35,835 --> 00:25:38,170 working, on the night of the murder? 656 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,206 I thought it was a waste of time. 657 00:25:40,239 --> 00:25:41,608 They were clearly only interested in only one thing. 658 00:25:41,641 --> 00:25:42,675 That was humiliation. 659 00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:46,212 When people don't want to hear the truth, Mr. McCoy, 660 00:25:46,245 --> 00:25:48,314 there's no point in speaking it. 661 00:25:48,347 --> 00:25:50,016 Did anyone see you in the church in Peekskill? 662 00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:52,184 I don't believe so, no. 663 00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:54,286 And you didn't make any phone calls 664 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,656 or send any emails from your office 665 00:25:56,689 --> 00:26:00,192 after 8:20 that night, correct? 666 00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:01,694 Like I say, I was busy preparing an important sermon. 667 00:26:01,728 --> 00:26:02,995 And yet you were willing 668 00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:06,332 to drive into Manhattan earlier that day 669 00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:08,735 to meet with Jeff Cantwell? 670 00:26:08,768 --> 00:26:10,670 Well, helping other people is so much more important 671 00:26:10,703 --> 00:26:11,771 than writing a sermon. 672 00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:14,674 Is that what you were doing with Jeff Cantwell... 673 00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:15,775 helping? 674 00:26:15,808 --> 00:26:17,844 Yes. 675 00:26:17,877 --> 00:26:19,679 Not having sex? 676 00:26:19,712 --> 00:26:22,314 No. 677 00:26:22,348 --> 00:26:24,250 I am not a homosexual. 678 00:26:26,352 --> 00:26:28,287 People's 32, Your Honor. 679 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,322 This is an email 680 00:26:30,356 --> 00:26:37,864 sent by Jeff Cantwell to a NormS@pqmail.net. 681 00:26:37,897 --> 00:26:39,632 That's an email account 682 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:42,735 that's charged to your personal credit card. 683 00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:44,036 Would you please read it? 684 00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:51,310 "I know who you are, and you're name's not Norm. 685 00:26:51,343 --> 00:26:54,246 "You're a hypocritical pig who deserves to be outed, 686 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,815 "to be exposed for the fraud 687 00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:56,816 "that you are. 688 00:26:56,849 --> 00:26:58,284 "You make me sick. 689 00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,286 "Never call me again, faggot. 690 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,890 "That's right, dude, you're gay--G-A-Y. 691 00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:05,692 Deal with it." 692 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,699 But you've never had sex with a man, correct? 693 00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:14,834 No. 694 00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:15,868 Never. 695 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:19,005 Nothing further. 696 00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:26,713 Did you have sexual relations with Mr. Sterling? 697 00:27:26,746 --> 00:27:28,347 Yes. 698 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:30,783 How many times? 699 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:32,919 20, 30 times. 700 00:27:32,952 --> 00:27:35,321 You're positive that's the man you had sex with? 701 00:27:38,124 --> 00:27:39,291 Yes. 702 00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:41,427 Nothing further. 703 00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:45,998 You don't have any pictures or video 704 00:27:46,032 --> 00:27:48,434 of this so-called sexual relationship? 705 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:49,568 No. 706 00:27:49,601 --> 00:27:52,038 So you expect the jury to just take your word for it? 707 00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:53,773 Yes. 708 00:27:53,806 --> 00:27:56,709 You're an honest man? 709 00:27:56,743 --> 00:27:57,844 Yes. 710 00:27:57,877 --> 00:28:00,446 Is that why you were arrested for larceny last year, 711 00:28:00,479 --> 00:28:02,014 'cause you're an honest man? 712 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:05,918 Uh, I--I was working at a restaurant 713 00:28:05,952 --> 00:28:07,920 and the manager was screwing me out of some money, so I-- 714 00:28:07,954 --> 00:28:09,355 So you stole. 715 00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:11,457 [scoffs] 716 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:12,524 Yes. 717 00:28:12,558 --> 00:28:15,427 (Meyers) Are you a member of the ACLU? 718 00:28:15,461 --> 00:28:16,662 Yes. 719 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,431 Do you believe that men should be able to marry other men? 720 00:28:19,465 --> 00:28:20,767 I do. 721 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,768 Is that why you're lying about having sex 722 00:28:21,801 --> 00:28:22,701 with Reverend Sterling, 723 00:28:22,735 --> 00:28:24,170 to make a political statement, 724 00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:25,905 to humiliate him 725 00:28:25,938 --> 00:28:27,173 because he's against gay marriage? 726 00:28:27,206 --> 00:28:28,507 That has nothing to do with it. 727 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:29,909 Nothing further. 728 00:28:33,479 --> 00:28:35,782 (Rubirosa) Just because you steal 50 bucks from a register 729 00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:37,149 and vote Democratic doesn't mean 730 00:28:37,183 --> 00:28:39,118 you can't ID a guy you had sex with. 731 00:28:39,151 --> 00:28:40,452 I'm more concerned 732 00:28:40,486 --> 00:28:42,521 about that call he made to his wife at 8:20. 733 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:45,792 Peekskill to Chelsea, if there's no traffic, 734 00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:47,126 takes about an hour and 40 minutes. 735 00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:49,528 So if he left immediately after that call, 736 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:52,431 he's in the city around 10:00. 737 00:28:52,464 --> 00:28:55,534 Yeah, and it gives him 15 minutes to park the car, 738 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,469 walk to Cantwell's apartment, and kill him. 739 00:28:57,503 --> 00:28:58,537 Still plenty of time, 740 00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:01,207 but definitely cutting it close. 741 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,910 If Sterling actually made that call. 742 00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:07,046 Well, I'm on my way to Peekskill. 743 00:29:09,816 --> 00:29:12,418 Yeah, I was working that night. 744 00:29:12,451 --> 00:29:13,820 Did you see Reverend Sterling? 745 00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:14,987 Yeah. 746 00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:16,388 You're sure? 747 00:29:16,422 --> 00:29:17,990 Sure I'm sure. 748 00:29:18,024 --> 00:29:19,491 It was around 9:30. 749 00:29:19,525 --> 00:29:21,560 I was vacuuming the hallway, and he walked right by me. 750 00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:23,830 Only the sixth time I've ever seen him. 751 00:29:23,863 --> 00:29:26,065 Did he say anything? 752 00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:28,067 He said hi. Even knew my name. 753 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:29,902 Called me Gino. 754 00:29:29,936 --> 00:29:31,570 Did he say anything else? 755 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:34,240 He asked me how to get to Bedford. 756 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:35,842 Bedford? 757 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:36,843 Right. 758 00:29:36,876 --> 00:29:37,776 Bedford. 759 00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:39,545 Said he had to visit someone in the hospital. 760 00:29:43,215 --> 00:29:47,053 Be careful what you wish for, Jack. 761 00:29:47,086 --> 00:29:48,554 What are you talking about? 762 00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:51,223 Sterling has the perfect alibi for the night of the murder. 763 00:29:51,257 --> 00:29:53,059 What are you talking about? 764 00:29:53,092 --> 00:29:54,493 The church janitor is positive 765 00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:58,564 he saw Sterling at the church around 9:30. 766 00:29:58,597 --> 00:29:59,899 9:30 in Peekskill? 767 00:29:59,932 --> 00:30:01,200 Yep, and it gets even better. 768 00:30:01,233 --> 00:30:02,468 At 9:30, he drove 769 00:30:02,501 --> 00:30:04,170 to St. Ann's Hospital in Bedford. 770 00:30:04,203 --> 00:30:07,439 He was there from 10:00 to 11:00 on the night of the murder. 771 00:30:07,473 --> 00:30:10,977 Signed in at 10:06, left at 11:02. 772 00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:12,979 He was visiting a Mary Billings, 773 00:30:13,012 --> 00:30:14,146 age 75. 774 00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:16,582 Breast cancer. 775 00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:20,219 Call Meyers right away, tell her what you found. 776 00:30:20,252 --> 00:30:22,955 Set up a meeting for 8:00 a.m. tomorrow. 777 00:30:22,989 --> 00:30:28,260 Maybe Sterling will tell us why he's burying his own alibi. 778 00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:32,865 [buzzer] 779 00:30:32,899 --> 00:30:34,901 Your client ready to tell us what the hell's going on? 780 00:31:14,606 --> 00:31:16,175 "I can only hope that the Lord will find 781 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:17,977 "understanding in His Almighty heart 782 00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:21,480 and forgive me for taking the life of another man." 783 00:31:21,513 --> 00:31:22,982 I don't get it. 784 00:31:23,015 --> 00:31:24,984 We find proof that Sterling's innocent, 785 00:31:25,017 --> 00:31:26,085 tell his attorney, 786 00:31:26,118 --> 00:31:27,519 and he kills himself? 787 00:31:27,553 --> 00:31:29,588 It just doesn't make any sense. 788 00:31:31,123 --> 00:31:33,359 Sure it does. 789 00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:35,594 What am I missing here, Jack? 790 00:31:35,627 --> 00:31:38,430 Sterling was covering... for the person 791 00:31:38,464 --> 00:31:40,066 who really did kill Cantwell. 792 00:31:40,099 --> 00:31:41,200 His wife. 793 00:31:41,233 --> 00:31:42,468 His wife? 794 00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:44,036 If you take Sterling out of the equation, 795 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:47,473 the evidence points to only one person--her. 796 00:31:47,506 --> 00:31:49,575 Blood in the car. No credible alibi. 797 00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:51,443 Desire to save the church. 798 00:31:51,477 --> 00:31:53,379 And a phone call on the night of the murder 799 00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:55,014 from a pay phone near her home. 800 00:31:55,047 --> 00:31:57,583 So why does Reverend Sterling commit suicide? 801 00:31:57,616 --> 00:32:00,586 He knows that we know the truth, 802 00:32:00,619 --> 00:32:02,654 did the only noble thing he can think of: 803 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,656 kills himself, takes the blame for the murder. 804 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:08,160 Go ahead and arrest her. 805 00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:11,297 What's your objective, Mr. McCoy? 806 00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:12,631 To destroy my church, 807 00:32:12,664 --> 00:32:16,168 to further humiliate me and my congregation? 808 00:32:16,202 --> 00:32:17,236 The truth. 809 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,472 The truth is: My husband killed that man, Cantwell. 810 00:32:20,506 --> 00:32:23,142 He even said so in his damn suicide note! 811 00:32:23,175 --> 00:32:25,544 I don't believe him or you. 812 00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:31,217 What are you looking for, Mr. Jeffers? 813 00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:32,218 Well, for starters, 814 00:32:32,251 --> 00:32:34,553 a little respect, Mr. McCoy. 815 00:32:34,586 --> 00:32:36,155 My client just lost her husband 816 00:32:36,188 --> 00:32:38,324 and the very day that he is pronounced dead, 817 00:32:38,357 --> 00:32:40,359 you arrest her for a murder that he's already confessed to. 818 00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:43,129 We don't believe his confession. 819 00:32:43,162 --> 00:32:45,597 A preacher doesn't lie in a suicide note. 820 00:32:45,631 --> 00:32:47,533 Unless he's trying to protect his wife. 821 00:32:47,566 --> 00:32:48,667 [Jeffers scoffs] 822 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,602 Okay, and you think 823 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,571 you can get a jury to believe that? 824 00:32:52,604 --> 00:32:53,639 They won't even consider it. 825 00:32:53,672 --> 00:32:56,208 Motion to exclude his suicide note. 826 00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:01,580 A suicide note is inadmissible hearsay. 827 00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:03,682 Correct, but this is a dying declaration. 828 00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,584 The dying declaration exception 829 00:33:05,617 --> 00:33:07,686 applies only to homicide victims. 830 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:09,621 The law does not address suicide. 831 00:33:09,655 --> 00:33:11,190 It should. 832 00:33:11,223 --> 00:33:13,725 I'm not too interested in "shoulds," Mr. Jeffers. 833 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,161 (Jeffers) What I'm saying, Your Honor, 834 00:33:15,194 --> 00:33:16,328 is the note should fit 835 00:33:16,362 --> 00:33:17,696 within the residual hearsay exception. 836 00:33:17,729 --> 00:33:19,165 People don't write lies 837 00:33:19,198 --> 00:33:20,732 moments before they die. 838 00:33:20,766 --> 00:33:23,469 (McCoy) I can't cross-examine a suicide note, Your Honor. 839 00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:25,571 I agree. Your Honor, there-- 840 00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:28,374 The suicide note is out, Mr. Jeffers. 841 00:33:30,676 --> 00:33:33,545 The good news is, the suicide note's out. 842 00:33:33,579 --> 00:33:36,682 The bad news is, they have three jailhouse witnesses 843 00:33:36,715 --> 00:33:40,219 who claim Sterling admitted to murdering Cantwell 844 00:33:40,252 --> 00:33:43,422 at a prayer meeting the night before he hanged himself. 845 00:33:45,257 --> 00:33:47,426 Which means you're gonna have to convince a jury 846 00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:49,495 that a preacher's final sermon-- 847 00:33:49,528 --> 00:33:51,230 his final confession-- was a lie. 848 00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:53,232 Not an easy task. 849 00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:55,634 The evidence is pretty solid. 850 00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:57,769 What about this cancer patient at St. Ann's? 851 00:33:57,803 --> 00:34:00,239 Did, uh, she see Sterling? 852 00:34:00,272 --> 00:34:02,608 No. She's pretty heavily medicated-- 853 00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:03,742 morphine and fentanyl. 854 00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:05,377 She's been in and out of consciousness 855 00:34:05,411 --> 00:34:06,512 the last couple months. 856 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,380 Does anybody remember seeing Sterling 857 00:34:08,414 --> 00:34:09,615 at the hospital that night? 858 00:34:09,648 --> 00:34:10,449 No. 859 00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:11,383 So the only evidence that you have 860 00:34:11,417 --> 00:34:14,253 that he was there is from the sign-in log? 861 00:34:14,286 --> 00:34:15,621 Right. 862 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:20,392 We'll be okay, Arthur. 863 00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:21,727 Yeah, well, maybe it's my southern roots, 864 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,628 but I tend to think 865 00:34:22,661 --> 00:34:24,496 a lot of people are probably gonna believe 866 00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:26,732 Reverend Sterling's deathbed confession, 867 00:34:26,765 --> 00:34:28,734 whether or not it was a bunch a crap. 868 00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:31,603 And that'll make them wonder what we're doing, 869 00:34:31,637 --> 00:34:33,205 trying the killer's wife 870 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,174 for a crime that he's already confessed to. 871 00:34:35,207 --> 00:34:37,576 I get it, Arthur. We need more evidence. 872 00:34:40,779 --> 00:34:42,381 Like I explained to your associate, 873 00:34:42,414 --> 00:34:43,749 I have nothing to say on this matter. 874 00:34:43,782 --> 00:34:45,617 (McCoy) "This matter" is a murder trial. 875 00:34:45,651 --> 00:34:48,287 Which means your involvement isn't optional, 876 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,189 it's mandatory. 877 00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:51,357 It's not that I don't want to cooperate, 878 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:52,591 I just don't know anything. 879 00:34:52,624 --> 00:34:53,625 I'm sorry. 880 00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:01,233 So? 881 00:35:01,267 --> 00:35:03,769 That's a pretty political "sermon," don't you think, 882 00:35:03,802 --> 00:35:05,837 especially in light of the fact that it was given 883 00:35:05,871 --> 00:35:07,706 three days before the general election? 884 00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:09,508 All that talk about electing a leader 885 00:35:09,541 --> 00:35:12,478 who understands traditional values, 886 00:35:12,511 --> 00:35:14,313 asking the congregation to vote for two 887 00:35:14,346 --> 00:35:16,415 ultra-conservative congressmen? 888 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:17,583 What is that rule again, Jack? 889 00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:21,220 Once a church is considered a political organization, 890 00:35:21,253 --> 00:35:23,322 it loses its non-profit status? 891 00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:24,590 I believe that's right. 892 00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:27,659 You brought in 35 million in donations last year. 893 00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:29,761 Plus another 50 in merchandising. 894 00:35:29,795 --> 00:35:33,732 That would be one hell of a tax bill. 895 00:35:38,337 --> 00:35:40,739 Dawn's dedicated her entire life to this church. 896 00:35:40,772 --> 00:35:43,675 She was terrified that Cantwell was gonna destroy it. 897 00:35:43,709 --> 00:35:45,644 She wasn't going to allow him to do that. 898 00:35:45,677 --> 00:35:48,347 Did she tell you she was going to kill him? 899 00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:50,749 No. She didn't get specific. 900 00:35:50,782 --> 00:35:53,452 Only thing she said was, 901 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:57,489 "I'm not gonna let that deviant ruin my church." 902 00:35:59,758 --> 00:36:02,361 (McCoy) The People call Scott Jepson. 903 00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:04,263 May I approach, Your Honor. 904 00:36:09,635 --> 00:36:12,638 Mr. Jepson is my client's spiritual advisor. 905 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:15,774 Any conversations between them pertaining to the alleged murder 906 00:36:15,807 --> 00:36:16,775 are protected under New York Law. 907 00:36:16,808 --> 00:36:18,844 Mr. Jepson is a former 908 00:36:18,877 --> 00:36:20,712 marketing executive, not a clergyman. 909 00:36:20,746 --> 00:36:24,683 He's the CEO of a 150,000-person church. 910 00:36:24,716 --> 00:36:27,319 (Jeffers) Clearly, he is a religious man and someone 911 00:36:27,353 --> 00:36:29,788 who a congregant might seek out for spiritual guidance. 912 00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:31,690 Your Honor, Mr. Jeffers is trying to hide 913 00:36:31,723 --> 00:36:33,625 behind the cloak of spirituality 914 00:36:33,659 --> 00:36:35,727 to avoid incriminating testimony. 915 00:36:35,761 --> 00:36:38,397 There is no requirement that a spiritual advisor 916 00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:40,399 be an ordained minister or a priest. 917 00:36:40,432 --> 00:36:41,833 I agree with Mr. Jeffers. 918 00:36:41,867 --> 00:36:43,435 Your Honor-- I'm not gonna sit here 919 00:36:43,469 --> 00:36:45,804 and attempt to parse who's a minister 920 00:36:45,837 --> 00:36:47,673 and who's not, Mr. McCoy. 921 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,308 End of discussion. 922 00:36:52,344 --> 00:36:54,546 Religion tends to make judges nervous nowadays. 923 00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:55,581 Religion? 924 00:36:55,614 --> 00:36:57,683 Is that what you think this New Promise Church is? 925 00:36:57,716 --> 00:36:59,851 I don't judge what others believe. 926 00:36:59,885 --> 00:37:02,554 These guys are frauds, Arthur. 927 00:37:02,588 --> 00:37:04,490 CEOs, licenses, 928 00:37:04,523 --> 00:37:06,358 convention centers, video tapes... 929 00:37:06,392 --> 00:37:07,426 This is a business, not a church. 930 00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:08,860 Got your Irish up, huh? 931 00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:10,662 So tell me. 932 00:37:10,696 --> 00:37:12,898 Can we win the case without this CEO Jepson? 933 00:37:12,931 --> 00:37:13,899 It won't be easy. 934 00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:15,767 Dawn Sterling's a terrific liar. 935 00:37:15,801 --> 00:37:16,835 Yeah. 936 00:37:16,868 --> 00:37:19,571 Too bad she's not our witness. 937 00:37:20,806 --> 00:37:22,841 (Dawn) My husband was scared 938 00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:24,910 that Cantwell's lies and accusations 939 00:37:24,943 --> 00:37:27,413 would undercut all of our hard work. 940 00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:28,914 But most of all, he was worried 941 00:37:28,947 --> 00:37:30,882 about the members of our congregation. 942 00:37:30,916 --> 00:37:32,551 What do you mean? 943 00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:33,785 He was concerned 944 00:37:33,819 --> 00:37:34,686 about where they'd turn for guidance 945 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,822 if our church was destroyed. Hmm. 946 00:37:36,855 --> 00:37:39,891 Did your husband ever discuss killing Mr. Cantwell? 947 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:40,892 (McCoy) Objection. 948 00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:41,793 Marital privilege. 949 00:37:41,827 --> 00:37:42,828 Overruled. 950 00:37:42,861 --> 00:37:43,695 (McCoy) The defendant is attempting 951 00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:46,465 to disclose confidential communications. 952 00:37:46,498 --> 00:37:47,966 Overruled. 953 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:49,668 Continue, Mrs. Sterling. 954 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:52,871 [sighs] 955 00:37:52,904 --> 00:37:54,840 James told me 956 00:37:54,873 --> 00:37:57,476 that the only way he could save our church 957 00:37:57,509 --> 00:37:59,911 was to kill the man threatening to ruin it. 958 00:37:59,945 --> 00:38:05,884 He felt that by killing one to save 150,000 was worth it. 959 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,454 (Jeffers) What time did your husband come home that night? 960 00:38:08,487 --> 00:38:10,656 11:45. 961 00:38:10,689 --> 00:38:12,491 And what was his mood like? 962 00:38:12,524 --> 00:38:15,527 Nervous, scared... 963 00:38:15,561 --> 00:38:17,663 And what about his appearance? 964 00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:21,400 He was disheveled. 965 00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:24,936 And there was blood on his pants. 966 00:38:24,970 --> 00:38:28,507 "The blood of human sacrifice," 967 00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:29,941 he said. 968 00:38:29,975 --> 00:38:31,943 How come you didn't tell the police? 969 00:38:31,977 --> 00:38:34,746 Because... 970 00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:37,849 I loved my husband... 971 00:38:37,883 --> 00:38:40,986 more than anything in the world. 972 00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:44,523 (Jeffers) Nothing further. 973 00:38:44,556 --> 00:38:45,591 (Roth) That's all for today. 974 00:38:45,624 --> 00:38:46,625 [pounds gavel] 975 00:38:48,594 --> 00:38:52,898 Review every document we have one more time. 976 00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:55,801 We need to find some dirt. 977 00:38:59,638 --> 00:39:01,673 According to my friend at the FBI, 978 00:39:01,707 --> 00:39:02,941 Dawn Sterling from Rye, New York, 979 00:39:02,974 --> 00:39:06,945 used to be Maryann White from Atlanta, Georgia. 980 00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:08,914 She changed her name in 1991. 981 00:39:08,947 --> 00:39:09,948 Hmm. 982 00:39:09,981 --> 00:39:12,518 With good reason, I hope? 983 00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:14,586 Yeah, well, she was arrested 984 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:16,822 for cocaine possession in 1990 985 00:39:16,855 --> 00:39:18,957 and solicitation in 1991. 986 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,926 Dawn Sterling was a prostitute? 987 00:39:20,959 --> 00:39:23,028 According to Georgia's state records. 988 00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:26,698 I think my cross-examination just got a little stronger. 989 00:39:26,732 --> 00:39:28,033 Yeah, why bother? 990 00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:29,735 What do you mean? 991 00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:30,936 Oh, why not use it 992 00:39:30,969 --> 00:39:32,003 to push her into a guilty plea? 993 00:39:32,037 --> 00:39:33,672 Based on this? 994 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:35,974 Sterling's whole life is this church, right? 995 00:39:36,007 --> 00:39:37,676 If the congregation found out 996 00:39:37,709 --> 00:39:38,977 that she used to be a hooker, 997 00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:40,746 that they've been praying with a whore 998 00:39:40,779 --> 00:39:43,915 the past ten years, it's no way it'll survive. 999 00:39:43,949 --> 00:39:46,985 Look, I know that you want to use this information 1000 00:39:47,018 --> 00:39:49,655 and cross the hell out of her and blow up the church, 1001 00:39:49,688 --> 00:39:52,824 but it's not gonna ensure we get a guilty verdict. 1002 00:39:52,858 --> 00:39:53,959 I couldn't care less 1003 00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:55,794 about her damn church. 1004 00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:56,995 That why you refused 1005 00:39:57,028 --> 00:40:01,733 to refer to Reverend Sterling as "Reverend"? 1006 00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:03,602 We don't have a very strong case, Jack. 1007 00:40:03,635 --> 00:40:05,704 Doesn't mean we can't win. Okay, fine. 1008 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:06,838 Let's give Sterling a choice: 1009 00:40:06,872 --> 00:40:09,608 Plead guilty, and we will keep the hooker thing a secret 1010 00:40:09,641 --> 00:40:12,043 or finish the trial, tell the world the truth, 1011 00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:13,845 church goes bye-bye. 1012 00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:15,514 Or it gets even stronger. 1013 00:40:15,547 --> 00:40:17,649 The darker the past, the brighter the redemption. 1014 00:40:17,683 --> 00:40:20,018 If she thought being a hooker would help her church, 1015 00:40:20,051 --> 00:40:22,754 she would have told the congregation a long time ago. 1016 00:40:25,791 --> 00:40:28,159 (McCoy) It's up to you, Mrs. Sterling. 1017 00:40:28,193 --> 00:40:30,028 Murder two, 15 years. 1018 00:40:30,061 --> 00:40:32,030 [scoffs] Forget it. 1019 00:40:32,063 --> 00:40:32,998 I wasn't talking to you. 1020 00:40:33,031 --> 00:40:34,933 We're destroying them, okay? 1021 00:40:34,966 --> 00:40:37,135 There's no way that a jury can convict you. 1022 00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:40,706 A jury might not, but her congregation will. 1023 00:40:42,574 --> 00:40:45,777 You underestimate the human capacity to forgive. 1024 00:40:45,811 --> 00:40:46,912 Killing a gay man 1025 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:49,648 your "enlightened membership" might forgive you for. 1026 00:40:49,681 --> 00:40:53,552 Turning tricks? I don't think so. 1027 00:40:56,054 --> 00:40:58,123 People make mistakes. 1028 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:02,060 True Christians understand that. 1029 00:41:02,093 --> 00:41:03,161 Then tell us to go to hell. 1030 00:41:03,194 --> 00:41:04,095 Excuse me? 1031 00:41:04,129 --> 00:41:05,797 I'm happy to resume the trial 1032 00:41:05,831 --> 00:41:09,701 and cross-examine you. 1033 00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:26,151 I'm a good person, Mr. McCoy. 1034 00:41:26,184 --> 00:41:28,654 Maybe not then. 1035 00:41:28,687 --> 00:41:30,155 But now. 1036 00:41:30,188 --> 00:41:33,892 Because of this church. 1037 00:41:35,927 --> 00:41:40,031 Is that why you killed Jeff Cantwell? 1038 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,802 Yes. 1039 00:41:48,073 --> 00:41:51,176 Murder two, 15 years. 1040 00:41:51,209 --> 00:41:54,212 Yes or no, Mrs. Sterling? 1041 00:41:56,882 --> 00:41:57,883 Yes. 1042 00:41:57,916 --> 00:41:59,985 You don't mean that. 1043 00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:02,153 I am not gonna let Mr. McCoy 1044 00:42:02,187 --> 00:42:03,622 or anyone else for that matter, 1045 00:42:03,655 --> 00:42:05,056 to destroy my church. 1046 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:06,658 We can win this trial. 1047 00:42:06,692 --> 00:42:09,861 The church and my congregation, 1048 00:42:09,895 --> 00:42:12,898 that's all I care about. 1049 00:42:16,735 --> 00:42:18,136 [exhales] 1050 00:42:18,169 --> 00:42:20,105 I want to plead guilty.