1 00:00:12,078 --> 00:00:14,647 SHE WAS EVERYTHING -- SHE WAS 2 00:00:14,647 --> 00:00:20,420 EVERYTHING TO ME WHO COULD DO THAT TO MY SISTER 3 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:24,124 WHO WOULD DO THIS TO CATHY >> THERE'S BEEN, I THINK, A 4 00:00:24,124 --> 00:00:28,461 MURDER, ACROSS THE STREET. >> A MAN CAME HOME, DISCOVERED 5 00:00:28,461 --> 00:00:30,063 HIS WIFE, UH, IN BED MURDERED. >> THE POLICE OFFICER CAME IN 6 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:32,165 AND SAID, "WE BELIEVE THERE WAS A BURGLARY." 7 00:00:32,165 --> 00:00:33,767 >> Reporter: WAS THE THOUGHT THAT THIS HAD TO BE SOME RANDOM 8 00:00:33,767 --> 00:00:37,003 PERSON ON THE LOOSE? >> I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT THAT 9 00:00:37,003 --> 00:00:39,172 >> Reporter: THEIR 3 1/2-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WAS HOME 10 00:00:39,172 --> 00:00:43,943 WHEN CATHY WAS DISCOVERED. >> SHE HAD BEEN IN THE HOME ALL 11 00:00:43,943 --> 00:00:47,113 DAY UNATTENDED >> SHE WAS DRAWING A PICTURE OF 12 00:00:47,113 --> 00:00:49,749 THE BED AND A STICK PERSON >> Reporter: WHAT DID SHE SEE? 13 00:00:49,749 --> 00:00:54,988 >> SHE SAW A BAD MAN IN THE HOUSE AND HE WAS IN MOMMY'S BED. 14 00:00:54,988 --> 00:01:00,226 >> Reporter: IT'S JUST HEART BRAKEING 15 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:08,535 >> IT IS >> THAT POOR LITTLE ANGEL. 16 00:01:08,535 --> 00:01:11,938 >> IT WAS A CASE THAT HAD GROWN COLD 17 00:01:11,938 --> 00:01:13,073 >> SHE WAS 3 1/2 WHEN THE CRIME HAPPENED 18 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:15,175 AND NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO INTERVIEW HER SINCE. 19 00:01:15,175 --> 00:01:16,276 >> SO I REMEMBER WAKING UP, AND I REMEMBER SEEING HER. 20 00:01:16,276 --> 00:01:18,311 AND THEN, LIKE, SITTING IN MY BEDROOM, LIKE, TELLING MY 21 00:01:18,311 --> 00:01:20,847 DOLLIES IT WOULD BE OKAY >> SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THAT 22 00:01:20,847 --> 00:01:22,115 HOME THAT NIGHT. THIS WAS A CASE THAT WE NEEDED 23 00:01:22,115 --> 00:01:24,184 TO SOLVE >>> A MOTHER MURDERED. 24 00:01:24,184 --> 00:01:26,119 A KILLER, VANISHED A TEAM OF DETECTIVES HAUNTED 25 00:01:26,119 --> 00:01:33,259 THIS ONE WILL GIVE YOU CHILLS. I'M LESTER HOLT, AND THIS IS 26 00:01:33,259 --> 00:01:40,767 "DATELINE. HERE'S ANDREA CANNING WITH "THE 27 00:01:40,767 --> 00:01:46,139 BAD MAN. >> Reporter: A BLANKET OF SNOW 28 00:01:46,139 --> 00:01:49,342 COVERED THE GROUND THAT COLD MORNING, FEBRUARY 19, 1982, HERE 29 00:01:49,342 --> 00:01:52,512 ON THIS QUIET STREET CALLED DEL RIO DRIVE. 30 00:01:52,512 --> 00:01:55,148 WINTER TEMPERATURES HOVERED JUST ABOVE FREEZING 31 00:01:55,148 --> 00:01:59,519 WINDOWS WERE SHUT TIGHT, FURNACES TURNED UP 32 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:02,055 AROUND 6:30 AM, JAMES KRAUSENECK, A BUSINESSMAN 33 00:02:02,055 --> 00:02:05,792 AT KODAK, LEFT HIS HOUSE AND HEADED TO WORK IN DOWNTOWN 34 00:02:05,792 --> 00:02:07,694 ROCHESTER, NEW YORK. HIS 3-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER SARA AND 35 00:02:07,694 --> 00:02:11,865 HIS WIFE CATHY WERE STILL IN BED. 36 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:13,767 LATER THAT DAY, A CLOSE FRIEND, GLORIA WINKOWSKI, PLANNED TO 37 00:02:13,767 --> 00:02:16,436 DRIVE THEM TO A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT. 38 00:02:16,436 --> 00:02:18,772 >> I TRIED CALLING HER ALL DAY AND THERE WAS NO ANSWER AT HER 39 00:02:18,772 --> 00:02:20,707 HOUSE. >> Reporter: DID YOU THINK THAT 40 00:02:20,707 --> 00:02:23,943 MAYBE JAMES JUST ENDED UP TAKING HER TO THE DOCTOR? 41 00:02:23,943 --> 00:02:27,147 >> BY 5:00 I FIGURED, "OH, HE MUSTA TAKEN HER. 42 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:30,417 >> Reporter: THAT'S AROUND THE TIME JAMES KRAUSENECK ARRIVED 43 00:02:30,417 --> 00:02:33,586 BACK HOME, ONLY TO MAKE A HORRIFIC DISCOVERY 44 00:02:33,586 --> 00:02:36,790 HE RAN TO THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET WHERE A NEIGHBOR CALLED 45 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:41,127 9-1-1. >> BRIGHTON POLICE, HELLO? 46 00:02:41,127 --> 00:02:43,763 >> THERE'S BEEN, I THINK, A MURDER, UH, ACROSS THE STREET. 47 00:02:43,763 --> 00:02:45,865 >> OKAY, CALM DOWN NOW WHAT HAPPENED? 48 00:02:45,865 --> 00:02:50,704 >> I DON'T KNOW. HER HUSBAND'S HERE AND HE CAN'T 49 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:54,908 EVEN TALK. SHE'S IN HER BED, AND SHE- 50 00:02:54,908 --> 00:02:57,010 PLEASE, UM, HURRY. >> OKAY, I'LL HAVE SOMEONE RIGHT 51 00:02:57,010 --> 00:03:00,146 OVER THERE >> Reporter: BRIGHTON POLICE 52 00:03:00,146 --> 00:03:01,881 OFFICER MARKUS SPAKER WAS ON PATROL THAT DAY. 53 00:03:01,881 --> 00:03:04,751 AS HE RUSHED TO THE SCENE, HIS RADIO WAS MALFUNCTIONING SO HE 54 00:03:04,751 --> 00:03:07,754 COULDN'T HEAR ALL THE DETAILS. >> I WENT LIGHTS AND SIREN 55 00:03:07,754 --> 00:03:12,859 'CAUSE IT WAS A CAUSE UNKNOWN. AND AS I NEARED THIS LOCATION, I 56 00:03:12,859 --> 00:03:14,227 HEARD ON THE DISPATCH SOMETHING ABOUT ACROSS THE STREET. 57 00:03:14,227 --> 00:03:16,329 >> Reporter: SO YOU -- YOU PULL UP HERE -- 58 00:03:16,329 --> 00:03:18,465 >> PULL UP HERE AND PULLED INTO THIS DRIVEWAY -- 59 00:03:18,465 --> 00:03:21,668 >> Reporter: INTO THIS DRIVEWAY. >> AND THE LADY OF THE HOUSE WAS 60 00:03:21,668 --> 00:03:24,270 STANDING ON THAT SIDEWALK. I WALKED UP TO HER, AND SHE 61 00:03:24,270 --> 00:03:28,074 IMMEDIATELY SAID, "HE THINKS HIS WIFE'S BEEN MURDERED." 62 00:03:28,074 --> 00:03:31,678 >> Reporter: OH, MY GOSH ACROSS THE STREET, THE 63 00:03:31,678 --> 00:03:33,780 KRAUSENECK'S FRONT DOOR WAS WIDE OPEN 64 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:37,083 >> SO I RAN ACROSS, YELLING, "IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE 65 00:03:37,083 --> 00:03:40,253 HOUSE? >> Reporter: NO ONE ANSWERED 66 00:03:40,253 --> 00:03:44,491 HE MADE HIS WAY INSIDE, NOT KNOWING WHAT HE MIGHT FIND 67 00:03:44,491 --> 00:03:48,228 OFF TO THE RIGHT IN THE DINING ROOM, HE SAW ITEMS ON THE 68 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:49,896 CARPET -- A SILVER SERVING SET, A WOMAN'S PURSE, THE CONTENTS 69 00:03:49,896 --> 00:03:52,332 SPILLED OUT. >> AT THAT POINT I DECIDED TO GO 70 00:03:52,332 --> 00:03:54,634 UP THE STAIRS. >> Reporter: UP THE STAIRS AND 71 00:03:54,634 --> 00:04:00,040 INTO THE MAIN BEDROOM, WHERE HE ENCOUNTERED A SIGHT HE WOULD 72 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,175 NEVER FORGET >> I WALKED IN AND LOOKED TO THE 73 00:04:02,175 --> 00:04:05,779 RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHEN I FIRST SAW THE VICTIM 74 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:08,448 SHE LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS SLEEPING WITH AN AX BURIED INTO HER HEAD. 75 00:04:08,448 --> 00:04:11,651 >> Reporter: HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN YOUR -- 76 00:04:11,651 --> 00:04:14,888 IN YOUR WHOLE LIFE >> WELL, OTHER THAN ON '50S 77 00:04:14,888 --> 00:04:17,057 SCIENCE FICTION MOVIES, THAT'S ABOUT IT 78 00:04:17,057 --> 00:04:19,659 NEVER SAW ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN REALITY. 79 00:04:19,659 --> 00:04:22,862 IT WAS JOLTING AND SHOCKING, AND IT, UH, ALMOST LEFT ME THINKING, 80 00:04:22,862 --> 00:04:27,233 "IS THIS REAL, OR IS THIS A MANNEQUIN? 81 00:04:27,233 --> 00:04:31,971 AND "IS THIS AN EVIL TRICK, OR A PRANK THAT SOMEONE'S TRYIN' TO 82 00:04:31,971 --> 00:04:35,208 PULL HERE? >> Reporter: THE OFFICER LIFTED 83 00:04:35,208 --> 00:04:38,945 THE BLANKET BY THE FOOT OF THE BED, AND THEN HE KNEW FOR SURE 84 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:41,114 THIS WAS NO PRANK. >> Reporter: IT'S SOMETHING YOU 85 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:43,249 CAN'T UNSEE. >> STANDIN' RIGHT HERE NOW, I 86 00:04:43,249 --> 00:04:46,953 CAN SEE THE BED, I CAN SEE HER, AND I CAN SEE THE AX IN HER 87 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:50,156 HEAD >> Reporter: THE VICTIM WAS 88 00:04:50,156 --> 00:04:53,893 29-YEAR-OLD CATHY KRAUSENECK THE OFFICER CALLED FOR BACKUP. 89 00:04:53,893 --> 00:04:57,097 INVESTIGATOR RICHARD CORRIGAN QUICKLY ARRIVED ON THE SCENE 90 00:04:57,097 --> 00:04:59,232 WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT IT WAS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? 91 00:04:59,232 --> 00:05:01,935 >> THIS WAS A LOW-PROFILE NEIGHBORHOOD 92 00:05:01,935 --> 00:05:04,070 UH, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CRIME THERE WOULD BE, UH, A 93 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:05,705 HIGH-PRICED BICYCLE OUT OF A GARAGE 94 00:05:05,705 --> 00:05:07,841 SO YES, THIS IS -- THIS IS A QUIET -- QUIET COMMUNITY 95 00:05:07,841 --> 00:05:12,579 >> Reporter: WHAT DETAILS ARE BEING SHARED WITH YOU? 96 00:05:12,579 --> 00:05:15,281 >> A MAN CAME HOME, DISCOVERED HIS WIFE, UH, IN BED MURDERED. 97 00:05:15,281 --> 00:05:22,756 THERE WAS A SMALL CHILD THAT WAS IN THE HOUSE 98 00:05:22,756 --> 00:05:23,923 >> Reporter: A CHILD AT THE SCENE OF A BRUTAL CRIME -- IT 99 00:05:23,923 --> 00:05:26,292 WAS THE KRAUSENECK'S DAUGHTER, 3-YEAR-OLD SARA. 100 00:05:26,292 --> 00:05:29,796 LUCKILY, SHE WAS UNHARMED. HER FATHER HAD FOUND HER IN THE 101 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:33,400 HOUSE AND SCOOPED HER UP AS HE RAN FOR HELP 102 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,535 THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SOON ARRIVED. 103 00:05:35,535 --> 00:05:38,171 WHAT IS THE MEDICAL EXAMINER TELLING YOU? 104 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:40,306 >> APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN DEAD FOR A WHILE. 105 00:05:40,306 --> 00:05:43,076 RIGOR MORTIS HAS STARTED TO SET IN 106 00:05:43,076 --> 00:05:45,078 SHE HAD BEEN DEAD MORE THAN PROBABLY EIGHT HOURS 107 00:05:45,078 --> 00:05:48,281 >> Reporter: THAT MEANT THAT THE LITTLE GIRL HAD BEEN INSIDE THE 108 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:51,084 HOME ALONE WITH HER DECEASED MOTHER FOR HOURS AND HOURS 109 00:05:51,084 --> 00:05:54,721 NO ONE HAD BEEN THERE TO MAKE HER BREAKFAST THAT MORNING, TO 110 00:05:54,721 --> 00:05:57,424 DRESS HER, TO COMFORT HER. >> WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT HER 111 00:05:57,424 --> 00:06:00,060 PHYSICAL WELL-BEING, HER -- YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS HER MENTAL 112 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:02,729 WELL-BEING >> I'VE HAD NIGHTMARES ABOUT IT 113 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:05,932 BECAUSE THE THOUGHT THAT THE LITTLE GIRL WAS IN THE HOUSE ALL 114 00:06:05,932 --> 00:06:09,135 DAY WITH HER MOTHER. I JUST COULDN'T GET MY ARMS 115 00:06:09,135 --> 00:06:13,373 AROUND THAT. >> Reporter: WHAT HAD SHE SEEN 116 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:17,277 WHAT DID SHE KNOW? QUESTIONS THAT WOULD HANG OVER 117 00:06:17,277 --> 00:06:21,915 THIS FAMILY, THIS ENTIRE TOWN, LONGER THAN ANYONE COULD HAVE 118 00:06:21,915 --> 00:06:27,487 IMAGINED >>> WHO COULD BE BEHIND SUCH A 119 00:06:27,487 --> 00:06:30,323 HORRIFIC KILLING WHEN WE COME BACK -- 120 00:06:30,323 --> 00:06:33,093 >> THE POLICE OFFICER SAID, "WE BELIEVE THERE WAS A BURGLARY." 121 00:06:33,093 --> 00:06:34,527 I SAW THIS MAN I HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE 122 00:06:34,527 --> 00:06:36,262 BEFORE >> WHY WOULD THEY PICK THAT 123 00:06:57,717 --> 00:07:01,488 FAMILY BACK IN MICHIGAN WAS LEARNING THE TRAGIC NEWS 124 00:07:01,488 --> 00:07:05,725 HER YOUNGER SISTER, ANNET WAS AWAY AT COLLEGE. 125 00:07:05,725 --> 00:07:07,861 >> I REMEMBER COMIN' BACK TO MY DORM ROOM, AND MY FATHER WAS 126 00:07:07,861 --> 00:07:10,530 CALLING ME HE SAYS, "WELL, SOMETHIN' 127 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:14,534 HORRIBLE HAS HAPPENED. HE SAYS, "YOUR SISTER WAS 128 00:07:14,534 --> 00:07:19,039 BLUDGEONED TO DEATH. I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT PHONE 129 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:21,141 CALL >> Reporter: THE DETAILS WERE 130 00:07:21,141 --> 00:07:24,344 ALMOST TOO MUCH TO ABSORB. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER BELIEVED 131 00:07:24,344 --> 00:07:27,047 CATHY HAD BEEN KILLED WITH ONE BLOW TO THE HEAD 132 00:07:27,047 --> 00:07:32,686 >> ONCE, AND ONCE ONLY, WITH GREAT FORCE. 133 00:07:32,686 --> 00:07:33,953 >> Reporter: ALL MURDER IS AWFUL. 134 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:36,089 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT AN AX THAT JUST, FOR SOME REASON, 135 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:38,758 SEEMS TO TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL OF GRUESOME AND JUST 136 00:07:38,758 --> 00:07:42,062 HORRIFYING >> YEAH. 137 00:07:42,062 --> 00:07:45,699 I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S AN ULTIMATE INSTRUMENT. 138 00:07:45,699 --> 00:07:48,368 IT'S AN INSTRUMENT OF FORCE. >> Reporter: BACK ON THE STREET, 139 00:07:48,368 --> 00:07:51,571 NEIGHBORS WERE AWARE OF ALL THE COMMOTION. 140 00:07:51,571 --> 00:07:54,240 JOANNE BOUVIER, WHO LIVED A FEW HOUSES AWAY, HAD JUST RETURNED 141 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:00,613 FROM WORK. >> AS I PASSED THE KRAUSENECK 142 00:08:00,613 --> 00:08:04,884 HOME, I SAW THE MEDICAL EXAMINER VEHICLE IN THEIR DRIVEWAY. 143 00:08:04,884 --> 00:08:08,655 THE POLICE OFFICER CAME IN AND SAID, "WE BELIEVE THERE WAS A 144 00:08:08,655 --> 00:08:12,926 BURGLARY." >> Reporter: INVESTIGATOR 145 00:08:12,926 --> 00:08:16,596 RICHARD CORRIGAN HAD BEEN CANVASSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 146 00:08:16,596 --> 00:08:22,469 MOST OF THE NIGHT. >> Reporter: DID ANYONE HAVE ANY 147 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:24,671 CLUES THAT WOULD HELP YOU WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION 148 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:27,941 >> NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS REPORTED. IT WAS A COLD WINTER DAY 149 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:29,542 >> Reporter: JOANNE REMEMBERED SEEING A JOGGER THAT MORNING BY 150 00:08:29,542 --> 00:08:31,678 THE KRAUSENECK'S HOUSE >> I SAW THIS MAN I HAD NEVER 151 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:34,347 SEEN BEFORE JOGGING TOWARD ME. HE WAS SLOWLY JOGGING. 152 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:36,516 >> Reporter: DID THAT MEAN ANYTHING 153 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:39,219 SO MANY QUESTIONS. >> WHAT YOU DO, IS YOU START 154 00:08:39,219 --> 00:08:43,056 TRYIN' TO PUT TOGETHER A -- A BIOGRAPHY OF THESE FOLKS OR -- 155 00:08:43,056 --> 00:08:44,524 OR, YOU KNOW, TRYIN' TO FIGURE OUT WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, HOW, 156 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:47,193 WHY, AND WHO COULD POSSIBLY DO THIS 157 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:50,463 >> Reporter: IT WAS HARD FOR CATHY'S FAMILY TO IMAGINE ANYONE 158 00:08:50,463 --> 00:08:56,136 WANTING TO HURT HER. HER LITTLE SISTER, ANNET, HAD 159 00:08:56,136 --> 00:08:57,170 ALWAYS LOOKED UP TO HER. >> SHE WAS JUST -- SHE WAS 160 00:08:57,170 --> 00:09:00,040 EVERYTHING SHE WAS EVERYTHING TO ME 161 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:06,880 BY THE TIME I WAS 5-YEARS-OLD, SHE WAS ALREADY TELLIN' ME, 162 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,517 "YOU'RE GOIN' TO COLLEGE." >> Reporter: WHAT WAS HER 163 00:09:10,517 --> 00:09:11,718 PERSONALITY LIKE >> SHE WAS GIVING. 164 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:13,853 SHE WAS NURTURING. SHE WAS CARING 165 00:09:13,853 --> 00:09:16,022 EVERYONE LOVED MY SISTER SHE WAS BEAUTIFUL, TOO 166 00:09:16,022 --> 00:09:20,760 I MEAN, WHEN SHE WALKED INTO A ROOM, HEADS WOULD TURN, 167 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,930 LITERALLY. >> Reporter: CANDY STEVENS GREW 168 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:25,532 UP AROUND THE CORNER FROM CATHY'S FAMILY IN 169 00:09:25,532 --> 00:09:27,634 MOUNT CLEMENS, MICHIGAN. >> SHE HAD THE SWEETEST 170 00:09:27,634 --> 00:09:29,302 PERSONALITY. SHE WAS HAPPY-GO-LUCKY 171 00:09:29,302 --> 00:09:33,273 ALWAYS SMILING ALWAYS PERKY 172 00:09:33,273 --> 00:09:35,642 >> Reporter: IT WAS BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL WHEN CATHY MET HER FUTURE 173 00:09:35,642 --> 00:09:38,311 HUSBAND, JAMES KRAUSENECK. THE KRAUSENECK FAMILY OWNED A 174 00:09:38,311 --> 00:09:41,047 CARPET BUSINESS. >> EVERYBODY'S CARPET IN 175 00:09:41,047 --> 00:09:45,785 MOUNT CLEMENS CAME FROM KRAUSENECK'S 176 00:09:45,785 --> 00:09:47,921 >> Reporter: DID IT? >> OH, YEAH. 177 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:49,522 >> Reporter: SO THEY -- THEY SUPPLIED ALL THE - 178 00:09:49,522 --> 00:09:51,391 >> WAS JUST WHERE YOU WENT THAT'S WHERE -- MY FIRST HOUSE, 179 00:09:51,391 --> 00:09:52,692 THAT'S WHERE MY CARPET CAME FROM 180 00:09:52,692 --> 00:09:54,861 MY PARENTS' HOUSE. >> EVERYONE KNEW THE 181 00:09:54,861 --> 00:09:56,963 KRAUSENECKS, THE KRAUSENECKS, THE KRAUSENECKS. 182 00:09:56,963 --> 00:09:59,065 AND THEY HAD A NICE HOME ON THE WATER. 183 00:09:59,065 --> 00:10:01,201 THEY WERE JUST A BEAUTIFUL COUPLE 184 00:10:01,201 --> 00:10:04,404 AND CATHY LOVED JIM'S SOCIAL STATUS 185 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:06,339 MY MOM, SHE ALWAYS SAID, "YOU MARRY UP 186 00:10:06,339 --> 00:10:08,141 MARRY UP MARRY UP." 187 00:10:08,141 --> 00:10:12,445 AND SO THAT'S WHAT CATHY WAS DOING. 188 00:10:12,445 --> 00:10:15,648 AND MY MOM WAS EXTREMELY HAPPY THAT, UM, SHE WAS MARRYIN' 189 00:10:15,648 --> 00:10:19,352 JIM KRAUSENECK >> Reporter: SO, AS YOU'RE 190 00:10:19,352 --> 00:10:21,087 STANDING THERE, AND -- AND YOU -- YOU'RE WATCHING THESE TWO 191 00:10:21,087 --> 00:10:23,123 EXCHANGE THEIR VOWS, CATHY AND JAMES, HOW ARE YOU 192 00:10:23,123 --> 00:10:25,258 >> I'M CRYING. I REMEMBER LITERALLY CRYING, 193 00:10:25,258 --> 00:10:29,963 BECAUSE I WAS JUST SO HAPPY FOR MY SISTER. 194 00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:33,299 I LOVED HER SO MUCH. I WANTED HER JUST TO GO AND HAVE 195 00:10:33,299 --> 00:10:40,340 THIS BEAUTIFUL LIFE. >> Reporter: THEY MOVED OUT WEST 196 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:44,844 TO COLORADO WHERE JAMES WORKED TOWARD HIS Ph.D. IN ECONOMICS. 197 00:10:44,844 --> 00:10:46,946 THAT'S WHERE BABY SARA WAS BORN. >> SARA WAS JUST A LITTLE BALL 198 00:10:46,946 --> 00:10:49,082 OF JUST HAPPINESS AND JOY. AND MY PARENTS' FIRST 199 00:10:49,082 --> 00:10:50,717 GRANDCHILD SARA WAS -- IT WAS A GREAT 200 00:10:50,717 --> 00:10:52,852 WELCOME TO OUR FAMILY, A GREAT ADDITION 201 00:10:52,852 --> 00:10:54,988 >> Reporter: MORE GOOD NEWS CAME A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, WHEN 202 00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:58,224 JAMES ANNOUNCED HE'D COMPLETED HIS DOCTORATE. 203 00:10:58,224 --> 00:11:01,928 >> THE WHOLE FAMILY WAS ECSTATIC THAT JIM FINALLY GRADUATED 204 00:11:01,928 --> 00:11:05,565 HE WAS DR. KRAUSENECK, BIG-TIME DR. KRAUSENECK 205 00:11:05,565 --> 00:11:08,902 >> Reporter: JAMES AND CATHY AND SARA EVENTUALLY MOVE TO 206 00:11:08,902 --> 00:11:12,639 ROCHESTER. IN 1981, JAMES GETS A NEW JOB? 207 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:15,709 >> CORRECT IT WAS A PROMOTION FOR JIM, MORE 208 00:11:15,709 --> 00:11:21,448 MONEY. AND JIM WAS FINALLY GONNA BE 209 00:11:21,448 --> 00:11:25,218 ABLE TO USE HIS Ph.D AND THEY WERE GOING TO LIVE THE 210 00:11:25,218 --> 00:11:28,388 LIFE THEY WANTED TO LIVE >> Reporter: BACK THEN, EASTMAN 211 00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:30,523 KODAK WAS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN ROCHESTER, AND IT HAD OFFERED 212 00:11:30,523 --> 00:11:33,193 JAMES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WORKING AS AN ECONOMIST. 213 00:11:33,193 --> 00:11:36,162 THEY BOUGHT THE QUAINT HOME ON DEL RIO DRIVE IN UPSCALE 214 00:11:36,162 --> 00:11:38,698 BRIGHTON AND THAT'S WHEN CATHY MET 215 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:41,201 GLORIA WINKOWSKI >> AND WE HAD JUST BOTH MOVED TO 216 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:44,204 ROCHESTER. AND WE KINDA JUST CLICKED AS 217 00:11:44,204 --> 00:11:45,939 FRIENDS. WE'D HAVE PLAY DATES AT HER 218 00:11:45,939 --> 00:11:48,108 HOUSE AND AT MY HOUSE. >> Reporter: WHAT WAS SARA LIKE? 219 00:11:48,108 --> 00:11:51,277 >> SHE WAS A LITTLE DOLL MY DAUGHTER WAS A YEAR YOUNGER 220 00:11:51,277 --> 00:11:53,480 SO SHE GOT ALONG WITH SARA REALLY WELL. 221 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,648 THEY'D PLAY THEIR DOLLS TOGETHER 222 00:11:55,648 --> 00:11:57,784 >> Reporter: THEY DID EVERYTHING TOGETHER 223 00:11:57,784 --> 00:12:00,653 REMEMBER ON THE DAY OF THE MURDER GLORIA HAD BEEN TRYING TO 224 00:12:00,653 --> 00:12:04,758 REACH CATHY TO TAKE HER AND SARA TO THAT DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT 225 00:12:04,758 --> 00:12:07,427 BUT AFTER NOT HEARING FROM HER ALL DAY AND INTO THE EVENING - 226 00:12:07,427 --> 00:12:11,631 >> I WAS GETTING VERY WORRIED. >> Reporter: GLORIA KEPT 227 00:12:11,631 --> 00:12:13,333 CALLING. >> AND A POLICEMAN ANSWERED. 228 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,435 AND I -- BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS JIM. 229 00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:17,570 SO I SAYS, "JIM? AND HE GOES, "NO, THIS IS 230 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:20,607 OFFICER SO-AND-SO. AND I GO, "OH, MY GOD. 231 00:12:20,607 --> 00:12:23,476 >> Reporter: THE OFFICER CONFIRMED HARROWING NEWS, THAT 232 00:12:23,476 --> 00:12:25,578 HER FRIEND WAS DEAD. >> AND I JUST BURST OUT CRYING, 233 00:12:25,578 --> 00:12:29,149 'CAUSE I STILL DIDN'T WANNA BELIEVE IT 234 00:12:29,149 --> 00:12:33,086 BRIGHTON WAS A BEDROOM TOWN, JUST A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE, YOU 235 00:12:33,086 --> 00:12:36,256 KNOW, HAMLET IN ROCHESTER. AND NOTHING LIKE THAT EVER 236 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:39,426 HAPPENED WHY WOULD THEY PICK THAT HOUSE 237 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:43,630 >> Reporter: THAT HOUSE WITH THE LITTLE GIRL IN IT, ALL DAY, ALL 238 00:12:43,630 --> 00:12:46,933 ALONE. >> THAT BREAKS MY HEART. 239 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:51,771 I COULD JUST SEE SARA GOING OVER AND WANTING TO GRAB HER MOM AND 240 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:59,813 JUST HUG HER I MEAN, THAT POOR LITTLE ANGEL 241 00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:01,948 >> Reporter: WHAT HAD HAPPENED ON THAT COLD, BRUTAL MORNING 242 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:06,219 POLICE WERE ABOUT TO SPEAK WITH, NOT JUST THE HUSBAND, BUT THAT 243 00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:07,821 VERY YOUNG WITNESS, SARA, JUST 3-YEARS-OLD. 244 00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:09,956 >> Reporter: THAT IS A TOUGH WITNESS. 245 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:12,592 >> A NEAR IMPOSSIBLE WITNESS >>> COMING UP -- 246 00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:14,928 >> HER CLOTHES WERE MISMATCHED IT LOOKED LIKE SHE HAD MAYBE 247 00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:16,363 DRESSED HERSELF THAT DAY >> Reporter: IT'S JUST 248 00:13:16,363 --> 00:13:19,566 HEARTBREAKING. >> IT IS 249 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:20,567 >> IT IS >> SHE SAW A BAD MAN IN THE 250 00:13:39,652 --> 00:13:42,088 KRAUSENECK'S HOME ON DEL RIO DRIVE NOW A CRIME SCENE, 251 00:13:42,088 --> 00:13:44,758 JAMES KRAUSENECK AND HIS DAUGHTER SARA WERE DOWN AT THE 252 00:13:44,758 --> 00:13:47,427 BRIGHTON POLICE DEPARTMENT LITTLE SARA SAT WITH NEIGHBORS 253 00:13:47,427 --> 00:13:50,597 WHILE JAMES SPOKE WITH DETECTIVES 254 00:13:50,597 --> 00:13:53,233 WHAT WAS JAMES'S DEMEANOR BY THE TIME YOU WERE ABLE TO INTERVIEW 255 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:57,203 HIM? >> HE WAS VERY QUIET 256 00:13:57,203 --> 00:13:59,639 OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED OF -- WORRIED ABOUT HIS -- HIS 257 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:01,608 DAUGHTER, AND WHAT HAPPENED. YOU KNOW, ANSWERING YOUR 258 00:14:01,608 --> 00:14:02,842 QUESTIONS. BASICALLY HE WAS COOPERATIVE 259 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:05,045 >> Reporter: DID HE HAVE ANY IDEA WHO WOULD WANT TO HARM HIS 260 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:07,681 WIFE >> HE INDICATED NO -- NO ONE TO 261 00:14:07,681 --> 00:14:09,816 US >> Reporter: WAS ANYTHING OUT OF 262 00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:13,053 THE ORDINARY, DID HE EXPRESS WHEN HE WAS LEAVING THE HOUSE 263 00:14:13,053 --> 00:14:15,855 THAT MORNING >> HE SAID EVERYONE WAS ASLEEP 264 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:18,358 AND HE GOES TO WORK. HE HAD SOME MEETINGS 265 00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:20,827 HE HAD GONE WITH SOME OTHER CO-WORKERS TO MEETINGS OUTSIDE 266 00:14:20,827 --> 00:14:23,196 THEIR IMMEDIATE OFFICE AREA, ANOTHER PART OF KODAK. 267 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,865 I THINK HE SAID HE ATE LUNCH BY HIMSELF. 268 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,068 AND, UH, HE CAME BACK AND THEN HE, AT THE END OF THE DAY WENT 269 00:14:28,068 --> 00:14:31,237 HOME >> Reporter: JAMES SAID HE 270 00:14:31,237 --> 00:14:33,807 ARRIVED HOME A LITTLE BEFORE 5:00 P.M., SAW A WINDOW PANE 271 00:14:33,807 --> 00:14:36,576 SMASHED ON THE DOOR THAT LED FROM THE GARAGE INTO THE HOUSE 272 00:14:36,576 --> 00:14:44,084 AND IMMEDIATELY KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG. 273 00:14:44,084 --> 00:14:50,457 >> HE SAID HE CAME HOME, FOUND THE BROKEN DOOR, WENT IN AND 274 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:55,762 DISCOVERED HIS WIFE, UH, IN BED WITH THE AX IN HER HEAD. 275 00:14:55,762 --> 00:14:57,430 >> Reporter: HE SAID HE DIDN'T TOUCH HER, INSTEAD, RAN TO HIS 276 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:59,099 DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM WHERE HE FOUND LITTLE SARA SNUGGLED UP IN 277 00:14:59,099 --> 00:15:01,167 THE CORNER OF HER BED IN A DAZE. >> AND IMMEDIATELY RAN TO THE 278 00:15:01,167 --> 00:15:02,736 NEIGHBOR WITH THE -- WITH THE CHILD. 279 00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:04,838 >> Reporter: SO HE TAKES HER -- HIS DAUGHTER OVER TO THE 280 00:15:04,838 --> 00:15:09,609 NEIGHBOR >> HE LEAVES THE HOME WITH 281 00:15:09,609 --> 00:15:11,177 THE -- WITH THE DAUGHTER, YES, AND RUNS - 282 00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:13,313 >> Reporter: AND - >> -- TO THE NEIGHBOR. 283 00:15:13,313 --> 00:15:16,082 >> Reporter: WHILE JAMES TALKED WITH THE POLICE, NEIGHBOR JOANNE 284 00:15:16,082 --> 00:15:17,083 WAS KEEPING SARA COMPANY IN ANOTHER ROOM 285 00:15:17,083 --> 00:15:20,387 >> SHE WAS DRAWING AND ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT I 286 00:15:20,387 --> 00:15:26,192 RECALL HER DRAWING WAS A PICTURE OF THE BED, AND LOOKED LIKE A -- 287 00:15:26,192 --> 00:15:29,929 A STICK PERSON KIND OF DRAWING >> Reporter: THIS TODDLER, THIS 288 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:32,065 LITTLE GIRL IS - >> WALKING A HOUSE WITH HER 289 00:15:32,065 --> 00:15:33,667 MURDERED MOTHER LAYING IN THE BED WITH AN AX IN HER HEAD, YES. 290 00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:38,505 >> Reporter: IT'S JUST HEARTBREAKING. 291 00:15:38,505 --> 00:15:41,508 >> IT IS OUR YOUTH OFFICER HA 292 00:15:41,508 --> 00:15:44,611 A CHANCE TO TALK TO HER A LITTLE BIT. 293 00:15:44,611 --> 00:15:45,812 BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 3 1/2-YEAR-OLD, JUST A TODDLER 294 00:15:45,812 --> 00:15:47,947 >> Reporter: COULD SARA HELP THE POLICE FIND OUT WHAT HAD 295 00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:50,316 HAPPENED I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING 296 00:15:50,316 --> 00:15:51,685 ANYTHING OUT OF MY 3 1/2-YEAR-OLD SON ABOUT WHAT 297 00:15:51,685 --> 00:15:53,853 HAPPENED AT SCHOOL THAT DAY. >> BUT IF IT WAS SOMETHING 298 00:15:53,853 --> 00:15:55,522 HORRIBLE, HE -- HE SAW SOMEBODY - 299 00:15:55,522 --> 00:15:57,590 >> Reporter: YEAH, MAYBE - >> -- GET HIT WITH A BASEBALL 300 00:15:57,590 --> 00:16:00,593 BAT, LET'S SAY >> Reporter: YES, MAYBE HE 301 00:16:00,593 --> 00:16:02,429 WOULD. SARA WAS ABLE TO GIVE POLICE 302 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:06,199 SOME DETAILS SHE TOLD THE OFFICER THAT WHEN 303 00:16:06,199 --> 00:16:08,335 SHE WOKE UP HER DADDY HAD ALREADY LEFT FOR WORK, HOW NO 304 00:16:08,335 --> 00:16:11,037 ONE WAS HOME TO MAKE HER BREAKFAST. 305 00:16:11,037 --> 00:16:13,773 AND IT APPEARED AS THOUGH NO ONE WAS THERE TO HELP HER GET 306 00:16:13,773 --> 00:16:16,443 DRESSED. SHE WAS WEARING A RED SWEATER 307 00:16:16,443 --> 00:16:19,212 OVER A PINK SWEATER AND TWO PAIRS OF SOCKS 308 00:16:19,212 --> 00:16:24,584 >> HER CLOTHES WERE MISMATCHED IT LOOKED LIKE SHE HAD MAYBE 309 00:16:24,584 --> 00:16:27,454 DRESSED HERSELF THAT DAY WE DON'T KNOW -- WE WERE 310 00:16:27,454 --> 00:16:30,290 TRYIN' TO DETERMINE IF SHE WAS ABLE TO GET ANYTHING TO EAT OR 311 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:31,291 DRINK DURING THE DAY >> Reporter: SHE TOLD POLICE 312 00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:33,326 WHAT SHE SAW WHEN SHE WENT INTO HER PARENT'S BEDROOM THAT 313 00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:35,295 MORNING. >> SHE SAW A BAD MAN IN THE 314 00:16:35,295 --> 00:16:37,063 HOUSE. AND, UH, HE WAS IN MOMMY'S BED 315 00:16:37,063 --> 00:16:38,665 >> Reporter: REALLY HARD TO HEAR THAT -- THAT A, YOU KNOW, 316 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:40,266 3 1/2-YEAR-OLD IS GIVING THIS ACCOUNT. 317 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:42,402 SHE ALSO SAID THAT HE MIGHT HAVE HAD A HAMMER 318 00:16:42,402 --> 00:16:47,307 >> I BELIEVE SOMETHIN' TO THAT EFFECT, YES. 319 00:16:47,307 --> 00:16:49,809 >> Reporter: IN FACT, THE OFFICER TAKING NOTES WROTE DOWN 320 00:16:49,809 --> 00:16:53,580 THAT SARA LATER CORRECTED HERSELF, SAYING IT WAS AN AX 321 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:56,216 THAT SHE SAW AND SARA SEEMED TO HAVE A 322 00:16:56,216 --> 00:17:00,020 DESCRIPTION OF THE BAD MAN SHE SAID HE HAD LONG BLOND HAIR, 323 00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:06,393 HAD NO CLOTHES, NO GLASSES AND STAYED A LONG TIME IN THE HOUSE. 324 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:09,562 IT SEEMED, AT FIRST ANYHOW, THAT THE LITTLE GIRL HAD SEEN HER 325 00:17:09,562 --> 00:17:12,232 MOTHER'S KILLER. BUT AS SARA SPOKE IT BECAME 326 00:17:12,232 --> 00:17:15,068 APPARENT, SHE WASN'T DESCRIBING THE KILLER. 327 00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:19,039 SHE WAS DESCRIBING THE CRIME SCENE WITH HER MOTHER IN THE 328 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:20,674 BED. >> SHE PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN 329 00:17:20,674 --> 00:17:22,342 RECOGNIZE HER MOTHER SO -- YOU KNOW, BEING WITH ALL THE MASSIVE 330 00:17:22,342 --> 00:17:24,477 TRAUMA THAT SHE PROBABLY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HER MOTHER 331 00:17:24,477 --> 00:17:26,646 >> Reporter: I MEAN, I JUST HOPE THAT SHE DIDN'T SEE IT ACTUALLY 332 00:17:26,646 --> 00:17:28,782 HAPPEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S-- 333 00:17:28,782 --> 00:17:30,950 >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> Reporter: BY MIDNIGHT, JAMES 334 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:34,888 AND SARA WERE DRIVEN BACK TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE 335 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:37,857 AND THE POLICE, AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE, VERIFIED JAMES' 336 00:17:37,857 --> 00:17:40,060 WHEREABOUTS THAT DAY HE'D BEEN AT WORK. 337 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:42,696 HAD HIS ALIBI CHECKED OUT AT -- BY THIS POINT? 338 00:17:42,696 --> 00:17:44,831 >> WE HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM KODAK. 339 00:17:44,831 --> 00:17:47,500 OR ONE OR TWO WHO ACTUALLY SHOWED UP AT THE POLICE 340 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,737 DEPARTMENT HE WAS AT WORK THAT DAY. 341 00:17:50,737 --> 00:17:53,907 >> Reporter: POLICE REQUESTED THAT THE FAMILY MONITOR SARA'S 342 00:17:53,907 --> 00:17:57,210 CONVERSATIONS AND ANY NEW DRAWINGS 343 00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:59,279 THE NEXT DAY, JAMES AND SARA WENT TO MICHIGAN TO BE WITH 344 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,550 FAMILY THAT'S WHERE THEY LAID CATHY TO 345 00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:05,685 REST >> I WAS DEVASTATED. 346 00:18:05,685 --> 00:18:08,355 AND HERE I AM AT MY SISTER'S FUNERAL -- MY BEST FRIEND, MY 347 00:18:08,355 --> 00:18:11,524 MENTOR, MY WORLD >> Reporter: THIS IS CATHY 348 00:18:11,524 --> 00:18:14,160 THIS IS THE ONE WHO MADE EVERYONE PROUD 349 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,296 >> RIGHT THIS BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL, 350 00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:20,500 LOVING PERSON. WHO COULD BE SO CRUEL TO DO THAT 351 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:25,905 TO HER >> Reporter: AND NOW SARA WAS 352 00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:28,575 LEFT MOTHERLESS AT JUST 3-YEARS-OLD. 353 00:18:28,575 --> 00:18:30,710 IN THE DAYS AFTER THE MURDER, POLICE NOTED THAT SARA TALKED TO 354 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:33,346 HER DAD ABOUT THAT MORNING, SAYING "I COULDN'T FIND YOU. 355 00:18:33,346 --> 00:18:36,783 "I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO CALL YOU." "I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT STREET TO 356 00:18:36,783 --> 00:18:40,820 RIDE MY BIKE ON. WAS SHE SAYING, "WHERE'S MOMMY?" 357 00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:44,591 >> I DO RECALL HER SAYIN' THAT, "A BAD MAN HURT MY MOMMY." 358 00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:46,960 THAT'S WHAT SHE WOULD SAY. >> Reporter: AND POLICE LOOKING 359 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,665 FOR CATHY'S KILLER FOUND OUT THERE WAS A VERY BAD MAN WHO 360 00:18:52,665 --> 00:18:56,503 LIVED JUST A FEW MILES AWAY. >>> COMING UP -- 361 00:18:56,503 --> 00:18:57,971 >> Reporter: WAS THE THOUGHT THAT THIS HAD TO BE SOME, YOU 362 00:18:57,971 --> 00:19:00,106 KNOW, CRAZED PERSON ON THE LOOSE? 363 00:19:00,106 --> 00:19:08,648 >> I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT THAT >> Reporter: A NEW LEAD. 364 00:19:08,648 --> 00:19:11,017 A MAN WITH A VIOLENT PAST. >> ED LARABY IS A NAME THAT CAME 365 00:19:11,017 --> 00:19:12,419 UP >> IT DID. 366 00:19:12,419 --> 00:19:14,020 >> Reporter: A KNOWN RAPIST -- >> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 367 00:19:14,020 --> 00:19:15,522 >> Reporter: HE WAS VERY HOSTILE. 368 00:19:34,341 --> 00:19:36,409 >> Reporter: THE DAY AFTER HEARING ABOUT HER SISTER'S 369 00:19:36,409 --> 00:19:38,511 MURDER, COLLEGE STUDENT, ANNET SCHLOSSER, SAYS POLICE 370 00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:40,613 OFFICERS KNOCKED ON HER DORM ROOM DOOR. 371 00:19:40,613 --> 00:19:47,554 WHAT WERE THE POLICE ASKING YOU IN THE DORM? 372 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:52,392 WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS >> THEY WOULD ASK ME IF I KNEW 373 00:19:52,392 --> 00:19:55,595 ANYBODY THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS 374 00:19:55,595 --> 00:19:57,197 YOU KNOW, I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT QUESTIONS. 375 00:19:57,197 --> 00:19:59,332 TO BE HONEST, I WAS STILL IN SHOCK. 376 00:19:59,332 --> 00:20:01,468 JUST NUMB. >> Reporter: AND DESPERATELY 377 00:20:01,468 --> 00:20:03,636 AFRAID SHE LIVED HUNDREDS OF MILES FROM 378 00:20:03,636 --> 00:20:06,873 BRIGHTON, NEW YORK, BUT ANNET SAID SHE WAS TERRIFIED OF THE 379 00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:13,847 UNKNOWN KILLER >> I WOULD SOMETIMES HAVE 380 00:20:13,847 --> 00:20:16,416 FRIENDS COME OVER AND JUST STAY THE NIGHT BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID 381 00:20:16,416 --> 00:20:18,318 AND I'D BE LOOKIN' OUT MY WINDOW A LOT. 382 00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:20,286 >> THIS CHANGED YOU? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY CHANGED MY 383 00:20:20,286 --> 00:20:24,057 LIFE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO I WOULD'VE 384 00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:26,726 BEEN IF THIS HADN'T HAPPENED >> Reporter: SHE SAYS NONE OF IT 385 00:20:26,726 --> 00:20:30,463 MADE SENSE HER SWEET, SUNNY SISTER, KILLED 386 00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:33,667 IN HER BED LITTLE SARA LEFT ALL ALONE 387 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:38,471 WAS THE THOUGHT AMONGST THE FAMILY THAT THIS HAD TO BE SOME, 388 00:20:38,471 --> 00:20:40,640 YOU KNOW, CRAZED, LIKE RANDOM PERSON ON THE LOOSE. 389 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,513 >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT. 390 00:20:46,513 --> 00:20:51,317 I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT THAT. >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS TRIED 391 00:20:51,317 --> 00:20:55,055 TO PUT A FACE ON WHO THAT RANDOM PERSON MIGHT BE. 392 00:20:55,055 --> 00:20:59,392 THEY CHECKED IN WITH NEIGHBORING POLICE DEPARTMENTS ABOUT RECENT 393 00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:02,562 BURGLARIES AND ASSAULTS IN THE AREA 394 00:21:02,562 --> 00:21:04,664 A SOLID TIP CAME IN ABOUT A SEX OFFENDER FRESH OUT OF PRISON 395 00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:06,966 ED LARABY IS A NAME THAT CAME UP IN THIS INVESTIGATION. 396 00:21:06,966 --> 00:21:08,401 >> THAT DID. >> Reporter: A KNOWN RAPIST. 397 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:09,969 >> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> Reporter: WHO LIVED VERY 398 00:21:09,969 --> 00:21:12,672 CLOSE. >> WITHIN A MILE, IF I'M NOT 399 00:21:12,672 --> 00:21:15,075 MISTAKEN YES. 400 00:21:15,075 --> 00:21:16,409 >> Reporter: CLOSE ENOUGH TO CROSS PATHS WITH CATHY 401 00:21:16,409 --> 00:21:18,078 AN INVESTIGATOR WENT TO INTERVIEW LARABY AT HIS 402 00:21:18,078 --> 00:21:19,612 APARTMENT. HE WAS VERY HOSTILE. 403 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:21,214 >> HE WAS HOSTILE TO MY COLLEAGUE, YES 404 00:21:21,214 --> 00:21:23,249 >> Reporter: TOLD HIM TO EFF OFF. 405 00:21:23,249 --> 00:21:25,085 >> CORRECT AND GET OFF HIS PORCH, GET OFF 406 00:21:25,085 --> 00:21:27,120 HIS STEPS. "NO WAY I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU. 407 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,722 YOU -- YOU HAVE NO RIGHT YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE YOU 408 00:21:28,722 --> 00:21:30,390 ARRESTED." >> Reporter: SOUNDS VERY ANGRY 409 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:32,559 >> YES >> Reporter: DID ANYONE CHECK 410 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:34,094 OUT HIS ALIBI? >> YES 411 00:21:34,094 --> 00:21:36,196 AS FAR AS -- >> Reporter: WHERE WAS HE? 412 00:21:36,196 --> 00:21:38,865 >> HE WAS AT WORK. >> Reporter: BUT HIS ALIBI WAS 413 00:21:38,865 --> 00:21:41,434 NOT EXACTLY AIRTIGHT LARABY'S SHIFT STARTED AT 414 00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:42,635 7:00 A.M., AND THE INVESTIGATORS HAD NO IDEA WHERE HE'D BEEN 415 00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:45,205 BEFORE THAT. >> IF HE DOESN'T TALK TO YOU, 416 00:21:45,205 --> 00:21:47,507 HE'S NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT HE DID BEFORE HE WENT TO WORK 417 00:21:47,507 --> 00:21:50,010 BEST YOU CAN DO IS TRY TO PLACE HIM BEST YOU CAN 418 00:21:50,010 --> 00:21:53,279 BUT IF A PERSON DOESN'T COOPERATE WITH YOU, AND YOU'RE 419 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:54,781 ASKING ME, CAN WE TELL YOU WHAT HE WAS DOING 420 00:21:54,781 --> 00:21:56,916 I DON'T KNOW >> Reporter: 'CAUSE -- 421 00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:59,019 >> HE WOULDN'T TALK TO US. >> Reporter: FRUSTRATING, BUT 422 00:21:59,019 --> 00:22:01,187 INVESTIGATORS DID HAVE OTHER WAYS TO CHECK HIM OUT. 423 00:22:01,187 --> 00:22:03,256 THEY LEARNED THAT ED LARABY DROVE A YELLOW CAR, THOUGH NONE 424 00:22:03,256 --> 00:22:05,525 OF THE NEIGHBORS MENTIONED SEEING IT ON THE MORNING OF THE 425 00:22:05,525 --> 00:22:08,628 MURDER LARABY'S FINGERPRINTS WERE ALSO 426 00:22:08,628 --> 00:22:11,965 ON FILE. BUT CRIME SCENE TECHNICIANS 427 00:22:11,965 --> 00:22:13,967 FOUND NO TRACE OF THEM AT THE KRAUSENECK HOUSE 428 00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:16,636 AND EVEN THOUGH LARABY HAD A LENGTHY RAP SHEET, HE HAD NEVER 429 00:22:16,636 --> 00:22:19,806 BEEN ACCUSED OF MURDER LARABY'S PREVIOUS CRIMES HAD 430 00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:24,611 MOSTLY BEEN SEXUAL OFFENSES. THERE WAS NO SIGN CATHY HAD BEEN 431 00:22:24,611 --> 00:22:29,749 RAPED. >> HIS METHOD OF CRIME DIDN'T 432 00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:34,721 SEEM TO FIT WHAT WE HAD. >> Reporter: SO, THE 433 00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:38,958 INVESTIGATOR RULED LARABY OUT FOR THE TIME BEING 434 00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:45,098 HE WAS MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT HE COULD LEARN FROM THE CRIME 435 00:22:45,098 --> 00:22:48,101 SCENE ITSELF HE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHEN 436 00:22:48,101 --> 00:22:50,203 HE STUDIED PHOTOS OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE 437 00:22:50,203 --> 00:22:51,805 WHAT HE SAW DIDN'T RESEMBLE ANY BURGLARY HE'D EVER WORKED 438 00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,440 BEFORE >> THE BEDROOM HAD VALUABLE 439 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,010 ITEMS AROUND NOTHING WAS STREWN, THROWN 440 00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:58,144 ABOUT, LIKE -- LIKE, DRAWERS WERE EMPTIED, DUMPED ON THE 441 00:22:58,144 --> 00:22:59,279 GROUND OR THROWN OPEN AND GONE THROUGH. 442 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,715 >> Reporter: YOU SAW NONE OF THAT 443 00:23:01,715 --> 00:23:03,550 >> NONE OF THAT AT ALL >> Reporter: IN THE DINING ROOM, 444 00:23:03,550 --> 00:23:06,219 THE CONTENTS OF CATHY'S PURSE WERE SPILLED OUT, BUT HER WALLET 445 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:08,388 AND CREDIT CARDS WERE THERE FOR THE TAKING 446 00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:11,057 THERE WAS A PILE OF STERLING SILVER NEATLY STACKED NEARBY 447 00:23:11,057 --> 00:23:13,159 ONE SILVER TRAY PLACED SO CAREFULLY ON THE FLOOR THAT THE 448 00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:15,328 MAIL WAS STILL STANDING UPRIGHT BETWEEN THE SALT AND PEPPER 449 00:23:15,328 --> 00:23:17,430 SHAKERS. THIS WAS NOT THE USUAL CALLING 450 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:21,267 CARD OF A BURGLAR. >> BURGLARS, THEY'RE LIKE 451 00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:23,837 VIKINGS. THEY PILLAGE 452 00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:28,074 THEY BURN. THEY GRAB ALL THEY CAN 453 00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:32,078 SO, THIS IS -- THERE WAS NO -- USUALLY THEY'LL GRAB A BAG 454 00:23:32,078 --> 00:23:35,081 AND -- THEY -- THEY DUMP VALUABLE ITEMS INTO IT 455 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:39,252 OR IN THEIR POCKETS. THIS WAS NOT DONE. 456 00:23:39,252 --> 00:23:43,189 >> Reporter: MAYBE SOMEBODY WAS TRYIN' TO TAKE THE TEA SET AND 457 00:23:43,189 --> 00:23:47,227 THEY GOT INTERRUPTED OR -- >> YES 458 00:23:47,227 --> 00:23:51,464 BUT, IF YOU'RE INTERRUPTED, AND YOU GO TO THE EXTENT OF 459 00:23:51,464 --> 00:23:54,167 MURDERING SOMEONE, WHY DON'T YOU COMPLETE, AT LEAST, WHAT YOU'RE 460 00:23:54,167 --> 00:23:58,405 THERE FOR? >> Reporter: HAD THERE BEEN 461 00:23:58,405 --> 00:24:00,040 BURGLARIES IN THE AREA WAS THAT A CONCERN 462 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,142 >> NO. WE HADN'T HAD ANY SERIOUS 463 00:24:02,142 --> 00:24:04,144 PROBLEMS IN THE AREA RECENTLY, PRIOR TO THE EVENTS. 464 00:24:04,144 --> 00:24:05,879 >> Reporter: THE INVESTIGATOR SUSPECTED THE BURGLARY WAS FAKE. 465 00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:08,048 SOMEONE HAD STAGED IT. STARTING WITH THAT BROKEN 466 00:24:08,048 --> 00:24:10,183 WINDOWPANE ON THE DOOR THAT LED FROM THE GARAGE INTO THE HOUSE 467 00:24:10,183 --> 00:24:11,851 THERE WAS A WOODEN TOOL UNRELATED TO THE MURDER WEAPON 468 00:24:11,851 --> 00:24:13,920 SITTING BY THE DOOR. INVESTIGATORS BELIEVED IT HAD 469 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,289 BEEN USED TO SMASH THE GLASS, PART OF THE STAGING. 470 00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:17,657 >> SO IF A BURGLAR WAS GOING TO REACH IN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT 471 00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:19,292 YOUR HAND THROUGH BROKEN GLASS AND POSSIBLY RISK CUTTING 472 00:24:19,292 --> 00:24:21,828 YOURSELF WE SHOULD HAVE HAD BLOOD ON IT, 473 00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:23,063 OR SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE INJURED THEMSELVES, POSSIBLY 474 00:24:23,063 --> 00:24:24,931 >> Reporter: WHAT IF THEY'RE WEARING LEATHER GLOVES 475 00:24:24,931 --> 00:24:26,766 >> IT'S POSSIBLE BUT IT LOOKED MORE LIKE SOMEONE 476 00:24:26,766 --> 00:24:28,868 HAD BROKEN A GLASS EVEN THOUGH THE DOOR WAS ALREADY UNLOCKED. 477 00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:31,738 >> Reporter: IF THERE WAS NO BURGLARY, THAT MEANT CATHY HAD 478 00:24:31,738 --> 00:24:33,106 NOT BEEN KILLED BY A RANDOM THIEF. 479 00:24:33,106 --> 00:24:35,775 IN FACT, THE INVESTIGATOR SUSPECTED CATHY'S KILLER HAD 480 00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:41,348 STAGED THE BURGLARY TO COVER UP A VERY DELIBERATE ACT OF MURDER. 481 00:24:41,348 --> 00:24:43,817 DID THAT SAY ANYTHING TO YOU, AS FAR AS A PROFILING, IF YOU WILL, 482 00:24:43,817 --> 00:24:54,494 OF -- THAT AN AX WAS USED TO THE HEAD? 483 00:24:54,494 --> 00:24:58,264 I MEAN, IT'S VERY PERSONAL AND JUST GRUESOME. 484 00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:02,535 >> AND FINAL THIS IS A ONCE ANGRY FORCEFUL 485 00:25:02,535 --> 00:25:06,306 FATAL BLOW I'M JUST GONNA DO THIS ONCE, AND 486 00:25:06,306 --> 00:25:10,577 ONCE ONLY. AND I'M VERY ANGRY 487 00:25:10,577 --> 00:25:12,178 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT WHO COULD 488 00:25:12,178 --> 00:25:13,780 POSSIBLY BE ANGRY AT CATHY KRAUSENECK 489 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:15,782 AND THEN A NEW CLUE LANDED ON THEIR DESK 490 00:25:15,782 --> 00:25:17,884 >>> COMING UP -- >> THERE WAS A POSTCARD THAT GOT 491 00:25:17,884 --> 00:25:19,185 SENT IN THAT MADE IT SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WAS HAVIN' AN AFFAIR 492 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:22,956 WITH CATHY >> HINTS OF AN AFFAIR, AND A 493 00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:24,591 SUDDEN, SURPRISING MOMENT! >> JIM BECAME VERY UPSET 494 00:25:24,591 --> 00:25:26,059 >> JIM BECAME VERY UPSET JUMPED UP, "I DON'T WANT TO HEAR 495 00:25:43,777 --> 00:25:46,413 PANE THE FAMILY SILVER NEATLY PILED 496 00:25:46,413 --> 00:25:49,616 UP NEXT TO A GARBAGE BAG IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE ANY BURGLARY 497 00:25:49,616 --> 00:25:51,751 INVESTIGATOR CORRIGAN HAD EVER SEEN 498 00:25:51,751 --> 00:25:55,488 HE SUSPECTED CATHY'S KILLER HAD STAGED THE BURGLARY TO THROW 499 00:25:55,488 --> 00:25:58,158 INVESTIGATORS OFF THE TRAIL, WHICH MEANT CATHY'S MURDER 500 00:25:58,158 --> 00:26:00,794 WASN'T RANDOM AT ALL YOU HAD A LOT TO FIGURE OUT. 501 00:26:00,794 --> 00:26:06,099 >> WE HAD A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. 502 00:26:06,099 --> 00:26:13,073 >> Reporter: THEN A FEW DAYS AFTER THE MURDER, A TANTALIZING 503 00:26:13,073 --> 00:26:16,810 LEAD SHOWED UP AT THE POLICE STATION. 504 00:26:16,810 --> 00:26:19,479 >> THERE WAS A LETTER THAT GOT SENT IN, THAT MADE IT SOUND LIKE 505 00:26:19,479 --> 00:26:21,081 SOMEONE WAS HAVIN' AN AFFAIR WITH CATHY 506 00:26:21,081 --> 00:26:24,050 >> Reporter: REALLY? >> AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE 507 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:26,453 GIST OF IT >> Reporter: BRIGHTON POLICE 508 00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:28,788 DETECTIVES STEPHEN HUNT AND MARK LIBERATORE WHO WORKED THE 509 00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:31,224 CASE YEARS LATER STUDIED THE LETTER CAREFULLY 510 00:26:31,224 --> 00:26:35,495 IT APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN MAILED LOCALLY, AND THERE WAS NO 511 00:26:35,495 --> 00:26:38,698 SIGNATURE. >> IT WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO SAID 512 00:26:38,698 --> 00:26:41,835 THAT HE HAD GONE TO THE DOOR THAT MORNING OF THE INCIDENT 513 00:26:41,835 --> 00:26:45,638 >> Reporter: THE LETTER BEGAN, "I AM A FRIEND OF KATHLEEN 514 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:47,741 I WAITED FOR HER HUSBAND TO LEAVE YESTERDAY, AND I WENT TO 515 00:26:47,741 --> 00:26:51,478 HER HOUSE AND SHE DID NOT ANSWER THE DOOR." 516 00:26:51,478 --> 00:26:58,084 AND PERHAPS MOST CHILLING OF ALL, THE WRITER SAID 517 00:26:58,084 --> 00:26:59,652 3-YEAR-OLD SARA HAD COME TO THE DOOR 518 00:26:59,652 --> 00:27:02,355 >> THE CHILD COULDN'T GET THE DOOR OPEN. 519 00:27:02,355 --> 00:27:04,457 WHETHER HE COULD SEE THE CHILD OR NOT, IT DIDN'T SAY. 520 00:27:04,457 --> 00:27:06,126 AND WHOEVER WROTE THE LETTER SAID THAT "I'M A MARRIED MAN SO 521 00:27:06,126 --> 00:27:08,161 I CAN'T GET INVOLVED." >> Reporter: WAS THAT ALLUDING 522 00:27:08,161 --> 00:27:11,364 TO THAT HE HAD BEEN WITH CATHY >> WE DON'T KNOW 523 00:27:11,364 --> 00:27:15,101 >> YEAH. IT WAS KIND OF A MYSTERY 524 00:27:15,101 --> 00:27:22,275 >> Reporter: SO MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO 525 00:27:22,275 --> 00:27:24,911 SAY? "I'M A MARRIED MAN, I WAS HAVING 526 00:27:24,911 --> 00:27:26,880 AN AFFAIR. >> MAYBE 527 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,782 >> Reporter: WHAT A CRYPTIC CLUE 528 00:27:28,782 --> 00:27:30,617 SO WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE STATE OF THE KRAUSENECKS' MARRIAGE? 529 00:27:30,617 --> 00:27:32,218 INVESTIGATOR CORRIGAN HEADED TO THE PLACE WHERE IT ALL BEGAN 530 00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:34,354 YOU GET ON A PLANE >> YES 531 00:27:34,354 --> 00:27:36,456 >> Reporter: AND YOU GO TO MICHIGAN 532 00:27:36,456 --> 00:27:39,125 >> YES YOU KNOW, A FAMILY WOULD KNOW 533 00:27:39,125 --> 00:27:40,293 BETTER -- POSSIBLY WOULD KNOW BETTER IF THEY WERE ARGUING 534 00:27:40,293 --> 00:27:42,328 ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MONEY -- 535 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:43,897 >> Reporter: ANYTHING? >> -- AN ADDICTION 536 00:27:43,897 --> 00:27:46,066 NOTHING WAS COMING >> Reporter: NOTHING 537 00:27:46,066 --> 00:27:48,201 >> NOTHING >> Reporter: CATHY'S FAMILY TOLD 538 00:27:48,201 --> 00:27:49,803 THE INVESTIGATOR THE COUPLE WERE INSEPARABLE. 539 00:27:49,803 --> 00:27:51,938 TWO PEAS IN A POD WHO ONLY HAD EYES FOR EACH OTHER. 540 00:27:51,938 --> 00:27:54,074 BUT THEY SAID THE RECENT MOVE TO BRIGHTON HAD BEEN A LITTLE 541 00:27:54,074 --> 00:27:56,209 ROCKY. ESPECIALLY FOR CATHY 542 00:27:56,209 --> 00:27:59,879 >> THE WASHING MACHINE WAS BROKE AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY TO 543 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:02,148 FIX IT AND THEY ONLY HAD ONE CAR AND 544 00:28:02,148 --> 00:28:04,284 JIM WOULD TAKE THAT TO WORK EVERY DAY. 545 00:28:04,284 --> 00:28:06,419 >> Reporter: AND JUST BEING ALONE IN THAT HOUSE WITH NO CAR? 546 00:28:06,419 --> 00:28:09,489 AND A TODDLER? THAT COULD GET REALLY 547 00:28:09,489 --> 00:28:12,292 OVERWHELMING AND LONELY? >> ABSOLUTELY. 548 00:28:12,292 --> 00:28:14,928 >> Reporter: JAMES AGREED TO MEET THE INVESTIGATOR TOO. 549 00:28:14,928 --> 00:28:17,030 HE BROUGHT HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW AND DAD FOR SUPPORT. 550 00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:20,166 DID JAMES EXPRESS THAT THEY WERE HAPPY, THAT THIS WAS A NORMAL 551 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:20,834 FAMILY >> YES 552 00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:23,036 HE INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE VERY MUCH IN LOVE 553 00:28:23,036 --> 00:28:25,739 NO INDICATION OF A THIRD PARTY OR AFFAIRS OR -- A SECRET SIDE 554 00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:26,873 >> Reporter: AND NO TRACE OF ANY FINANCIAL MOTIVE EITHER. 555 00:28:26,873 --> 00:28:32,645 DID JAMES HAVE A BIG LIFE INSURANCE POLICY ON CATHY? 556 00:28:32,645 --> 00:28:34,247 >> NOT THAT WE FOUND >> Reporter: THE INVESTIGATOR 557 00:28:34,247 --> 00:28:37,450 NOTICED HOW QUIET JAMES SEEMED DURING THE 90 MINUTE INTERVIEW 558 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:38,585 UNTIL -- >> HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW ASKED, 559 00:28:38,585 --> 00:28:40,220 "SO -- WHERE -- WHERE'S IT GOING WITH THE BURGLARY? 560 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:41,888 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND AT THAT, JIM BECAME VERY 561 00:28:41,888 --> 00:28:43,490 UPSET, JUMPED UP "I'M NOT -- I DON'T WANT TO HEAR 562 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:45,625 THIS I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. 563 00:28:45,625 --> 00:28:47,727 AND, YOU KNOW, BECAME VERY, VERY EMOTIONAL. 564 00:28:47,727 --> 00:28:49,863 AND YOU KNOW, HAD -- WE HAD TO CALM HIM DOWN. 565 00:28:49,863 --> 00:28:53,700 >> Reporter: JAMES SAID HE WAS TIRED AND ENDED THE INTERVIEW. 566 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,269 THAT DIDN'T SURPRISE ANNET SHE SAID JAMES HADN'T BEEN 567 00:28:56,269 --> 00:29:00,040 ACTING LIKE HIMSELF IN THOSE EARLY DAYS 568 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,743 HE'D BARELY SPOKEN TO THE FAMILY, EVEN PULLING LITTLE SARA 569 00:29:03,743 --> 00:29:05,345 AWAY FROM HER AT THE FUNERAL >> AND I'M THINKING, THAT'S 570 00:29:05,345 --> 00:29:08,181 KINDA ODD. I KNOW I'M UPSET AND EVERYTHING, 571 00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:10,150 BUT -- >> Reporter: YEAH, AND YOU-- 572 00:29:10,150 --> 00:29:12,786 >> YOU WOULDN'T EVEN LET ME TALK TO SARA? 573 00:29:12,786 --> 00:29:16,022 >> Reporter: AFTER ENDING HIS INTERVIEW SO ABRUPTLY, JAMES DID 574 00:29:16,022 --> 00:29:19,259 TALK TO INVESTIGATORS SEVERAL MORE TIMES 575 00:29:19,259 --> 00:29:22,462 AND ACCORDING TO ONE POLICE REPORT HE BEGGED THEM "PLEASE 576 00:29:22,462 --> 00:29:26,633 DON'T GIVE UP WORKING ON MY CASE 577 00:29:26,633 --> 00:29:29,436 I NEED TO KNOW WHO DID THIS. BUT THE INVESTIGATOR WONDERED 578 00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:32,105 HOW SERIOUSLY TO TAKE HIM WHEN HE FOUND OUT JAMES HAD GOTTEN 579 00:29:32,105 --> 00:29:34,274 HIS OWN ATTORNEY >> THE FACT THAT HE LAWYERED UP 580 00:29:34,274 --> 00:29:36,476 PUT STRONG SUSPICION ON HIM. >> Reporter: I FEEL LIKE THE 581 00:29:36,476 --> 00:29:38,044 WHOLE LAWYER THING IS SO TRICKY BECAUSE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE 582 00:29:38,044 --> 00:29:40,146 GONNA TELL YOU TO GET A LAWYER, YOU KNOW 583 00:29:40,146 --> 00:29:42,916 >> OF COURSE >> Reporter: JUST TO PROTECT 584 00:29:42,916 --> 00:29:45,118 YOURSELF AND THEN POLICE OR, YOU KNOW, 585 00:29:45,118 --> 00:29:47,654 PEOPLE CAN SEE IT AS, YOU KNOW, A SIGN OF GUILT. 586 00:29:47,654 --> 00:29:49,789 IT'S LIKE YOU'RE DAMMED IF YOU DO, YOU'RE DAMMED IF YOU DON'T 587 00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:53,059 >> WELL, IF YOU COME HOME AND YOU FIND -- FIND YOUR SPOUSE 588 00:29:53,059 --> 00:29:55,195 MURDERED, WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO GET AN ATTORNEY? 589 00:29:55,195 --> 00:30:00,266 >> Reporter: NOT EVERYONE TRUSTS THE POLICE 590 00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:02,168 >> WELL -- BUT THIS IS NOT A PERSON WHO HAS HAD A LOT OF -- 591 00:30:02,168 --> 00:30:05,939 NEGATIVE POLICE CONTACT THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE. 592 00:30:05,939 --> 00:30:08,608 IT DIDN'T FIT THE MOLD >> Reporter: AS THE WEEKS 593 00:30:08,608 --> 00:30:10,744 PASSED, THE INVESTIGATOR'S OTHER LEADS STARTED TO FIZZLE. 594 00:30:10,744 --> 00:30:12,379 YOU ENDED UP INTERVIEWING SOME 300 PEOPLE - 595 00:30:12,379 --> 00:30:14,514 >> OR MORE, YES. >> Reporter: -- IN THIS CASE 596 00:30:14,514 --> 00:30:16,683 >> YES >> Reporter: THAT'S A LOT OF 597 00:30:16,683 --> 00:30:18,351 PEOPLE >> WE TRIED TO TURN OVER EVERY 598 00:30:18,351 --> 00:30:20,687 STONE, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T OVERLOOK ANYTHING. 599 00:30:20,687 --> 00:30:22,555 >> Reporter: BUT YOU NEVER -- WITH ALL OF THESE INTERVIEWS, 600 00:30:22,555 --> 00:30:24,157 YOU NEVER COME ACROSS THE SMOKING GUN OR THE SMOKING AX IN 601 00:30:24,157 --> 00:30:26,292 THIS CASE. >> NO. 602 00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:28,461 >> Reporter: THE CASE WENT COLD. IT SEEMED LIKE ANY HOPE OF 603 00:30:28,461 --> 00:30:32,732 FINDING CATHY'S KILLER WAS MELTING AWAY WITH THE SNOW 604 00:30:32,732 --> 00:30:35,135 >>> COMING UP -- >> MY MOM WOULD JUST CRY, EVERY 605 00:30:35,135 --> 00:30:39,172 DAY. IT JUST BROKE MY HEART 606 00:30:39,172 --> 00:30:42,308 >> NOTHING WAS BEING DONE. AND WE JUST COULDN'T LET THAT 607 00:30:42,308 --> 00:30:43,977 HAPPEN >> ANOTHER KILLING 608 00:30:43,977 --> 00:30:47,714 ANOTHER TOWN AND A SUSPECT WHO WAS VERY 609 00:31:05,331 --> 00:31:07,734 >> Reporter: AFTER THE MURDER OF HIS WIFE, JAMES KRAUSENECK 610 00:31:07,734 --> 00:31:09,903 DECIDED TO LEAVE BRIGHTON BEHIND FOR GOOD 611 00:31:09,903 --> 00:31:13,106 HE AND SARA MOVED IN WITH HIS PARENTS IN MICHIGAN. 612 00:31:13,106 --> 00:31:15,775 HE TOOK A JOB AT THE FAMILY CARPET STORE 613 00:31:15,775 --> 00:31:18,778 ANNET SAW SARA WHEN JAMES BROUGHT HER BY TO VISIT. 614 00:31:18,778 --> 00:31:20,613 COULD YOU SEE IF SHE HAD BEEN TRAUMATIZED? 615 00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:24,351 OR -- I MEAN, SHE'S SO LITTLE. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON 616 00:31:24,351 --> 00:31:28,121 IN THAT LITTLE HEAD OF HERS? >> YEAH, WE DIDN'T KNOW. 617 00:31:28,121 --> 00:31:33,993 WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT POOR LITTLE GIRL WAS THINKING 618 00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:35,595 >> Reporter: AS SARA GOT BIGGER, HER MOTHER'S CASE WAS GOING 619 00:31:35,595 --> 00:31:38,231 NOWHERE. FIVE YEARS WENT BY 620 00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:41,768 AND THEN TEN YOU END UP RETIRING? 621 00:31:41,768 --> 00:31:44,637 >> YEAH, I LEFT, YES >> Reporter: AND THIS IS NOT 622 00:31:44,637 --> 00:31:46,773 SOLVED >> CORRECT 623 00:31:46,773 --> 00:31:50,010 >> Reporter: CATHY'S FRIENDS AND FAMILY TRIED TO KEEP THE CASE 624 00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:54,814 ALIVE. >> IT WAS IMPORTANT TO FIND WHO 625 00:31:54,814 --> 00:31:58,618 DID IT AND BRING 'EM TO JUSTICE. >> Reporter: GLORIA BUGGED ANY 626 00:31:58,618 --> 00:32:01,287 POLICE OFFICER WHO VISITED THE LOCAL PHARMACY SHE OWNED 627 00:32:01,287 --> 00:32:05,125 >> I ALWAYS BROUGHT IT UP. I -- ANY POLICEMAN THAT CAME IN, 628 00:32:05,125 --> 00:32:08,294 I WOULD SIT THERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, "WHAT -- WHAT ABOUT THE 629 00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:11,498 KRAUSENECK CASE? S -- YOU EVER GONNA DO SOMETHING 630 00:32:11,498 --> 00:32:15,201 ABOUT IT?" >> WE HAD A LOT OF TIME THAT 631 00:32:15,201 --> 00:32:17,370 PASSED, AND NOTHING WAS BEIN' DONE 632 00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:25,378 AND WE JUST COULDN'T LET THAT HAPPEN 633 00:32:25,378 --> 00:32:28,148 >> Reporter: ANNET WASN'T THAT FRIGHTENED COLLEGE KID ANYMORE 634 00:32:28,148 --> 00:32:30,717 SHE WAS OLDER AND WISER, AND HER SISTER'S BIGGEST CHAMPION. 635 00:32:30,717 --> 00:32:33,386 IS THIS GETTING CONTENTIOUS AT ALL, THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN 636 00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:35,455 NO MOVEMENT, THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF 637 00:32:35,455 --> 00:32:36,589 >> YOU KNOW, CONTENTIOUS IS A VERY GOOD WORD 638 00:32:36,589 --> 00:32:38,258 EVERY TIME A NEW POLICE CHIEF WOULD COME ON, I WOULD TRY TO 639 00:32:38,258 --> 00:32:40,326 MAKE CONTACT, OR THEY WOULD CONTACT ME 640 00:32:40,326 --> 00:32:41,961 AND THEY WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, "THE FILE'S SITTIN' HERE ON MY 641 00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:44,397 DESK." >> Reporter: IT WAS THERE, BUT 642 00:32:44,397 --> 00:32:45,165 WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING? >> RIGHT 643 00:32:45,165 --> 00:32:47,267 WE USED TO SIT AROUND MY PARENTS' DINING ROOM TABLE A 644 00:32:47,267 --> 00:32:49,636 LOT, AND I REMEMBER MY MOM WOULD JUST CRY, EVERY DAY. 645 00:32:49,636 --> 00:32:50,970 IT JUST BROKE MY HEART SHE WOULD JUST BREAK DOWN AND 646 00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:52,639 CRY. >> Reporter: WHAT ANNET DIDN'T 647 00:32:52,639 --> 00:32:54,741 KNOW, WAS THAT IN A NEARBY TOWN, LESS THAN 20 MILES FROM THE 648 00:32:54,741 --> 00:32:57,277 HOUSE WHERE HER SISTER WAS MURDERED, ANOTHER WOMAN HAD BEEN 649 00:32:57,277 --> 00:33:02,782 MURDERED AND HER FAMILY WAS GRIEVING AND 650 00:33:02,782 --> 00:33:05,485 WAITING FOR ANSWERS, TOO TEN YEARS AFTER CATHY'S MURDER, 651 00:33:05,485 --> 00:33:07,620 A BUBBLY MUSIC TEACHER NAMED STEPHANIE KUPCHYNSKY VANISHED 652 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:10,657 FROM HER APARTMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 653 00:33:10,657 --> 00:33:12,058 AND JUST LIKE CATHY, SHE WAS NEW TO TOWN. 654 00:33:12,058 --> 00:33:14,060 >> Reporter: THIS WAS HER FRESH START HERE 655 00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,429 >> YES, IT WAS IT WAS 656 00:33:16,429 --> 00:33:21,067 AND SHE WAS CUT DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF IT 657 00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:23,670 >> Reporter: RACHEL REAR IS STEPHANIE'S STEPSISTER 658 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:27,407 HER MOTHER MARRIED STEPHANIE'S DAD SEVERAL YEARS AFTER 659 00:33:27,407 --> 00:33:31,711 STEPHANIE DISAPPEARED. >> ABOUT SIX MONTHS AFTER THE 660 00:33:31,711 --> 00:33:34,547 WEDDING, TWO LITTLE BOYS DISCOVERED STEPHANIE'S SKULL AND 661 00:33:34,547 --> 00:33:38,084 REMAINS IN A CREEK IN HOLLEY, NEW YORK 662 00:33:38,084 --> 00:33:40,754 >> Reporter: OH, MY GOSH >> SO, IT OFFICIALLY BECAME A 663 00:33:40,754 --> 00:33:43,490 HOMICIDE >> Reporter: AND THE PRIME 664 00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:46,126 SUSPECT WAS SOMEONE YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE. 665 00:33:46,126 --> 00:33:49,295 >> HE WAS A SERIAL RAPIST. >> Reporter: WHO'S LIVING RIGHT 666 00:33:49,295 --> 00:33:53,099 NEAR STEPHANIE >> THAT'S RIGHT. 667 00:33:53,099 --> 00:33:55,702 >> Reporter: ED LARABY WAS THE SEX OFFENDER INVESTIGATORS HAD 668 00:33:55,702 --> 00:33:58,371 INTERVIEWED YEARS BEFORE ABOUT CATHY'S MURDER 669 00:33:58,371 --> 00:34:02,442 HE'D BEEN A MAINTENANCE WORKER AT STEPHANIE'S APARTMENT 670 00:34:02,442 --> 00:34:03,309 COMPLEX. AFTER STEPHANIE'S DISAPPEARANCE, 671 00:34:03,309 --> 00:34:05,345 POLICE FOUND OUT SEVERAL RESIDENTS HAD COMPLAINED ABOUT 672 00:34:05,345 --> 00:34:09,382 HIM. >> A COUPLE WOMEN THOUGHT MAYBE 673 00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:11,284 HE ILLEGALLY ENTERED THEIR APARTMENTS 674 00:34:11,284 --> 00:34:13,953 >> Reporter: OH, WOW >> ONE WOMAN THOUGHT HE HAD BEEN 675 00:34:13,953 --> 00:34:16,656 WATCHING HER SLEEP >> Reporter: BY THE TIME 676 00:34:16,656 --> 00:34:20,060 STEPHANIE'S SKULL WAS DISCOVERED, LARABY WAS BACK IN 677 00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:20,894 PRISON, CONVICTED OF ANOTHER SEXUAL ASSAULT 678 00:34:20,894 --> 00:34:24,097 HE WAS GREY-HAIRED AND SICK WHEN DETECTIVE, SERGEANT STAN CHIZUK, 679 00:34:24,097 --> 00:34:27,067 THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR ON STEPHANIE'S CASE WENT TO PAY HIM 680 00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:28,935 A VISIT BEHIND BARS. >> Reporter: AND HE MET WITH 681 00:34:28,935 --> 00:34:31,104 YOU? >> HE DID. 682 00:34:31,104 --> 00:34:33,173 BUT HE WASN'T GONNA TALK TO US HE BASICALLY TOLD US TO EFF OFF, 683 00:34:33,173 --> 00:34:38,078 AND HE WASN'T GONNA TALK TO US >> Reporter: JUST LIKE HE'D TOLD 684 00:34:38,078 --> 00:34:41,848 INVESTIGATORS IN CATHY'S CASE NEARLY 30 YEARS EARLIER. 685 00:34:41,848 --> 00:34:42,949 BUT THE DETECTIVE INVESTIGATING STEPHANIE'S MURDER WAS 686 00:34:42,949 --> 00:34:46,186 DETERMINED TO GET LARABY TALKING. 687 00:34:46,186 --> 00:34:53,593 HE AND A COLLEAGUE STARTED WRITING LETTERS TO HIM IN JAIL 688 00:34:53,593 --> 00:34:56,796 SURPRISINGLY, LARABY WROTE BACK. >> WE BUILT A RELATIONSHIP WITH 689 00:34:56,796 --> 00:35:00,033 HIM. AND IN ORDER FOR US TO BUILD A 690 00:35:00,033 --> 00:35:03,236 RELATIONSHIP, YOU KNOW, HE HAD TO TRUST US. 691 00:35:03,236 --> 00:35:07,140 SO, I MEAN, HE WOULD ASK FOR CANDY, LITTLE STUFF THAT WE 692 00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:10,210 WOULD SEND HIM >> Reporter: HE'D ASK FOR 693 00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:12,278 SOMETHING, AND THEN YOU'D GIVE A LITTLE 694 00:35:12,278 --> 00:35:15,048 >> YES >> Reporter: YOU'RE SLOWLY 695 00:35:15,048 --> 00:35:16,750 REELING HIM IN >> YES 696 00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:18,685 >> Reporter: EVENTUALLY, LARABY CRACKED. 697 00:35:18,685 --> 00:35:20,820 HE CONFESSED THAT HE WAS STEPHANIE'S KILLER 698 00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:22,956 DID HE HAVE ANY REMORSE WHEN HE CONFESSED TO STEPHANIE'S MURDER? 699 00:35:22,956 --> 00:35:26,159 >> NOT AT ALL. NOT AT ALL 700 00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:31,464 HE TALKED ABOUT IT JUST VERY MATTER OF FACTLY 701 00:35:31,464 --> 00:35:37,303 >> IT WAS PROBABLY AROUND MIDNIGHT, I WENT TO HER 702 00:35:37,303 --> 00:35:39,439 APARTMENT, AND SINCE I USED TO WORK THERE, I HAD MASTER KEYS. 703 00:35:39,439 --> 00:35:41,641 >> Reporter: LARABY SAID HE SURPRISED STEPHANIE IN HER 704 00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:49,082 APARTMENT. FIRST, HE RAPED HER. 705 00:35:49,082 --> 00:35:52,285 >> AFTER SOME THOUGHT, I DECIDED THAT THE THING TO DO WAS 706 00:35:52,285 --> 00:35:54,421 ELIMINATE THE WITNESS. >> SO, YOU DECIDED AT THAT 707 00:35:54,421 --> 00:35:56,589 POINT, YOU WERE GONNA KILL HER >> YEAH. 708 00:35:56,589 --> 00:36:00,860 >> Reporter: NOT LONG AFTER HE CONFESSED, ED LARABY WAS CHARGED 709 00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:05,699 WITH TWO COUNTS OF SECOND-DEGREE MURDER 710 00:36:05,699 --> 00:36:08,902 AND WITH THAT, THE RAPIST BECAME AN ALLEGED KILLER. 711 00:36:08,902 --> 00:36:11,638 BACK IN THE DAY, DETECTIVES INVESTIGATING CATHY KRAUSENECK'S 712 00:36:11,638 --> 00:36:14,774 MURDER HAD DISCOUNTED LARABY, IN PART, BECAUSE HE'D NEVER BEEN 713 00:36:14,774 --> 00:36:17,477 ACCUSED OF MURDER. BUT HERE HE WAS, CONFESSING TO 714 00:36:17,477 --> 00:36:21,181 JUST THAT. AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE 715 00:36:21,181 --> 00:36:25,085 THAT POSSIBLY TIED HIM TO CATHY'S KILLING. 716 00:36:25,085 --> 00:36:26,553 ED LARABY HAD COMMITTED AT LEAST ONE RAPE WEARING A SKI MASK? 717 00:36:26,553 --> 00:36:29,255 >> YEAH. A SKI MASK 718 00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:33,560 HE ALSO, I THINK, WORE HOCKEY MASKS IN OTHER RAPES 719 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,466 YEAH, IT WAS PRETTY CREEPY AND SCARY. 720 00:36:39,466 --> 00:36:42,135 >> Reporter: REMEMBER CATHY'S NEIGHBOR SAID SHE SAW A JOGGER 721 00:36:42,135 --> 00:36:44,237 RUNNING NEAR THE KRAUSENECK'S HOUSE ON THE MORNING OF THE 722 00:36:44,237 --> 00:36:46,940 MURDER SHE SAYS THERE WAS ONE OTHER 723 00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:50,176 THING SHE NOTICED ABOUT THE JOGGER 724 00:36:50,176 --> 00:36:52,312 >> HE WAS WEARING A ROYAL BLUE SKI MASK 725 00:36:52,312 --> 00:36:54,981 >> Reporter: COULD THE NEIGHBOR HAVE SEEN ED LARABY THAT 726 00:36:54,981 --> 00:36:57,650 MORNING, RUNNING FROM THE SCENE? HE CERTAINLY HAD SOMETHING TO 727 00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:59,819 TELL INVESTIGATORS ABOUT THE CASE 728 00:36:59,819 --> 00:37:02,188 IN 2014, BEHIND BARS AND WEEKS AWAY FROM DEATH, LARABY MADE ONE 729 00:37:02,188 --> 00:37:05,125 MORE CONFESSION. >>> COMING UP -- 730 00:37:05,125 --> 00:37:07,794 >> Reporter: THIS IS THE BIGGEST NEWS YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS HAD IN 731 00:37:07,794 --> 00:37:12,098 A REALLY LONG TIME >> YES 732 00:37:12,098 --> 00:37:14,768 >> ED LARABY HAS A NEW STORY FOR INVESTIGATORS. 733 00:37:14,768 --> 00:37:17,404 AND, A NEW LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE. >> THE AX HAD NEVER BEEN 734 00:37:17,404 --> 00:37:19,572 >> THE AX HAD NEVER BEEN EXAMINED 735 00:37:41,461 --> 00:37:46,332 CONTINUED TO HAUNT BRIGHTON, NEW YORK 736 00:37:46,332 --> 00:37:49,536 >> IN TIME, THE INTENSITY OF THE CRIME FADED, BUT THE FACT THAT 737 00:37:49,536 --> 00:37:54,974 THERE WAS A HOMICIDE AND IT HAD GONE UNRESOLVED, YOU KNOW, IT 738 00:37:54,974 --> 00:37:57,711 WAS STILL THOUGHT ABOUT. >> Reporter: MARK HENDERSON 739 00:37:57,711 --> 00:38:00,246 BECAME BRIGHTON'S POLICE CHIEF NEARLY 30 YEARS AFTER CATHY'S 740 00:38:00,246 --> 00:38:05,618 MURDER LIMBO FOR DECADES. 741 00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:08,822 UNTIL, ONE DAY IN 2014, HE GOT WORD OF A POSSIBLE BREAK IN THE 742 00:38:08,822 --> 00:38:12,559 CASE >> THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL IN 743 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:14,194 PRISON, AND HE WANTED TO CONFESS TO THE AX MURDER 744 00:38:14,194 --> 00:38:17,430 >> Reporter: IT WAS ED LARABY, THE MAN WHO ADMITTED TO RAPING 745 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:21,201 AND KILLING A LOCAL MUSIC TEACHER IN A NEIGHBORING TOWN. 746 00:38:21,201 --> 00:38:23,336 THIS IS THE BIGGEST NEWS YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS HAD IN A REALLY 747 00:38:23,336 --> 00:38:26,539 LONG TIME? >> RELATIVE TO THE AX MURDER, 748 00:38:26,539 --> 00:38:28,675 YES. >> Reporter: BACK IN 1982, 749 00:38:28,675 --> 00:38:30,844 LARABY HAD RUDELY TOLD INVESTIGATORS HE DIDN'T WANT TO 750 00:38:30,844 --> 00:38:34,714 TALK WHAT WOULD HE SAY NOW? 751 00:38:34,714 --> 00:38:38,318 WHAT HAPPENS >> SO THE INVESTIGATOR WHO WAS 752 00:38:38,318 --> 00:38:43,289 ASSIGNED THE CASE WORKED WITH THE STATE POLICE AND REPORTED 753 00:38:43,289 --> 00:38:47,394 BACK THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BEIN' REPORTED BY ED LARABY 754 00:38:47,394 --> 00:38:52,198 DID NOT MATCH WHAT WAS IN THE INVESTIGATORY FILE 755 00:38:52,198 --> 00:38:54,834 >> Reporter: LARABY'S PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION OF CATHY COULD NOT 756 00:38:54,834 --> 00:38:57,504 HAVE BEEN MORE WRONG -- TELLING INVESTIGATORS SHE HAD SHORT DARK 757 00:38:57,504 --> 00:39:01,074 HAIR AND GLASSES. HE DIDN'T EVEN USE HER NAME. 758 00:39:01,074 --> 00:39:04,444 INVESTIGATORS DECIDED HE WAS MAKING THE WHOLE THING UP. 759 00:39:04,444 --> 00:39:08,148 BUT INSTEAD OF GIVING UP, THE NEW CHIEF KEPT CATHY'S CASE ON 760 00:39:08,148 --> 00:39:12,552 THE FRONT BURNER HE ASKED THE FBI FOR HELP AND 761 00:39:12,552 --> 00:39:15,055 TEAMED UP WITH SANDRA DOORLEY, THE MONROE COUNTY DISTRICT 762 00:39:15,055 --> 00:39:18,825 ATTORNEY >> WE WERE IN A CONFERENCE ROOM 763 00:39:18,825 --> 00:39:21,227 FOR A COUPLE HOURS, AND JUST WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE PIECE 764 00:39:21,227 --> 00:39:24,197 OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS I KEPT THINKING, "THERE'S GOTTA 765 00:39:24,197 --> 00:39:27,934 BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TEST FOR DNA. 766 00:39:27,934 --> 00:39:30,070 >> Reporter: A LOT OF ITEMS HAD BEEN BAGGED AT THE CRIME 767 00:39:30,070 --> 00:39:32,205 SCENE -- A SOCK, A SCREW DRIVER, SHARDS OF GLASS FROM THE BROKEN 768 00:39:32,205 --> 00:39:34,941 DOOR >> YOU KNOW, THE AX HAD NEVER 769 00:39:34,941 --> 00:39:38,678 BEEN EXAMINED. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS 770 00:39:38,678 --> 00:39:42,382 BLOOD -- >> Reporter: THAT'S THE MURDER 771 00:39:42,382 --> 00:39:44,551 WEAPON >> THERE WAS BLOOD ON IT 772 00:39:44,551 --> 00:39:47,220 SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TESTED. 773 00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:48,855 >> Reporter: THEY PACKED IT ALL UP AND SENT IT TO THE FBI. 774 00:39:48,855 --> 00:39:51,124 >> THE HOPE WAS, AND -- AND THE FBI AGREED, THAT THEY COULD 775 00:39:51,124 --> 00:39:54,060 PROCESS THAT EVIDENCE TO THOSE STANDARDS THAT WERE NOT AROUND 776 00:39:54,060 --> 00:39:55,762 IN 1982. >> Reporter: AND THE POLICE 777 00:39:55,762 --> 00:39:58,965 CHIEF ASSIGNED INVESTIGATORS STEPHEN HUNT AND MARK LIBERATORE 778 00:39:58,965 --> 00:40:01,134 TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT THE CASE FILE 779 00:40:01,134 --> 00:40:03,770 >> IT'S SEVERAL THOUSAND PAGES OF PAPER 780 00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:06,473 >> Reporter: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANTED TO DO IN YOUR NEW 781 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:09,142 INVESTIGATION WAS COME TO THE HOUSE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF -- 782 00:40:09,142 --> 00:40:11,244 >> UH-HUH, UH-HUH. >> Reporter: AT THE -- NOT THE 783 00:40:11,244 --> 00:40:16,549 SCENE OF THE CRIME, BUT AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET TO IT DECADES 784 00:40:16,549 --> 00:40:19,252 LATER? >> YEAH, 'CAUSE PICTURES DON'T 785 00:40:19,252 --> 00:40:22,422 PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, NOT WHEN YOU'RE THERE AND YOU CAN 786 00:40:22,422 --> 00:40:25,525 SEE DISTANCES AND -- AND JUST FEEL IT AND JUST SEE IT. 787 00:40:25,525 --> 00:40:29,896 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS RIGHT 788 00:40:29,896 --> 00:40:32,632 AWAY THAT THE BURGLARY WAS STAGED 789 00:40:32,632 --> 00:40:40,106 LIKE THE ORIGINAL INVESTIGATORS, THEY SAID THE BROKEN WINDOW ON 790 00:40:40,106 --> 00:40:42,275 THE DOOR LEADING INTO THE HOUSE WAS A GIVEAWAY 791 00:40:42,275 --> 00:40:44,310 >> THE PERPETRATOR WANTED US TO THINK THAT THEY BROKE A WINDOW 792 00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:48,048 HERE IN THE DOOR, AND THEN UNLOCKED IT. 793 00:40:48,048 --> 00:40:52,585 BUT IF YOU THINK -- REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, AND YOU LOOK AT THE 794 00:40:52,585 --> 00:40:54,954 PICTURES FROM BACK IN 1982, THERE'S PIECES OF GLASS THAT ARE 795 00:40:54,954 --> 00:40:57,590 STILL IN THAT -- THAT PANE AND IF YOU PUT YOUR HAND IN 796 00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:01,061 THERE, AND YOU BUTTON HOOK AROUND TRYIN' TO UNLOCK IT, 797 00:41:01,061 --> 00:41:02,429 YOU'D MOST LIKELY GET CAUGHT ON ONE OF THE TWO PIECES. 798 00:41:02,429 --> 00:41:04,798 THERE'S A REALLY, REALLY LARGE PIECE -- 799 00:41:04,798 --> 00:41:06,166 >> Reporter: PROBABLY PULLING THE GLASS OUT? 800 00:41:06,166 --> 00:41:08,668 >> RIGHT, YEAH, PULLIN' THE GLASS OUT, CUTTIN' YOUR ARM. 801 00:41:08,668 --> 00:41:09,936 AND THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN SOME FIBERS LEFT BEHIND ON THAT 802 00:41:09,936 --> 00:41:12,105 BUT THERE WAS NOTHIN'. >> Reporter: SO YOU THINK THIS 803 00:41:12,105 --> 00:41:14,774 WAS PART OF THE -- THE -- THE SCRIPT TO JUST -- JUST SMASH THE 804 00:41:14,774 --> 00:41:17,444 WINDOW TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS IS WHERE THE INTRUDER CAME IN? 805 00:41:17,444 --> 00:41:20,146 >> EXACTLY RIGHT. 806 00:41:20,146 --> 00:41:21,748 IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE >> Reporter: SAME WITH THAT 807 00:41:21,748 --> 00:41:22,816 SILVER TRAY SET DOWN SO CAREFULLY ON THE DINING ROOM 808 00:41:22,816 --> 00:41:26,086 FLOOR, NEXT TO THE GARBAGE BAG AND THERE WAS SOMETHING NEW THAT 809 00:41:26,086 --> 00:41:28,154 STRUCK DETECTIVE HUNT WHEN HE LOOKED MORE CLOSELY AT THAT BAG. 810 00:41:28,154 --> 00:41:29,756 >> ON THE INSIDE OF THIS BAG, THERE WAS A SHOE PRINT 811 00:41:29,756 --> 00:41:31,925 AND BACK IN '82, THEY LOOKED INTO IT, BUT THEY COULDN'T 812 00:41:31,925 --> 00:41:33,526 FIGURE IT OUT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO 813 00:41:33,526 --> 00:41:35,662 COMPARE IT TO. AND THEY JUST CHALKED IT UP AS, 814 00:41:35,662 --> 00:41:37,230 LIKE, A MOCCASIN STYLE TREAD >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE 815 00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:39,366 SCOURED THE INTERNET AND TRACKED DOWN THE BRAND OF SHOE THAT HE 816 00:41:39,366 --> 00:41:41,101 BELIEVED MATCHED THE SHOE PRINT. IT LOOKED LIKE IT CAME FROM A 817 00:41:41,101 --> 00:41:43,136 PAIR OF DOCKSIDES. IF THERE WAS AN INTRUDER AND IT 818 00:41:43,136 --> 00:41:44,771 WAS A BURGLARY, WOULD YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE WEARING DOCKSIDES 819 00:41:44,771 --> 00:41:46,906 I MEAN, NOT THAT IT -- >> IN FEBRUARY WHEN IT'S 820 00:41:46,906 --> 00:41:48,575 30 DEGREES WITH 9 INCHES OF SNOW ON THE GROUND, NO. 821 00:41:48,575 --> 00:41:50,176 >> Reporter: NOT THAT INTRUDERS HAVE A UNIFORM, BUT IT DIDN'T 822 00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:52,746 REALLY - >> THEY'RE NOT WEARIN' 823 00:41:52,746 --> 00:41:54,347 DOCKSIDERS CAN'T RUN FROM THE POLICE 824 00:41:54,347 --> 00:41:56,449 QUICKLY. >> Reporter: DETECTIVE HUNT 825 00:41:56,449 --> 00:41:58,618 THOUGHT HE MIGHT HAVE AN EXPLANATION. 826 00:41:58,618 --> 00:42:00,754 HE REMEMBERED SOMETHING HE'D SPOTTED IN ANOTHER ONE OF THE 827 00:42:00,754 --> 00:42:04,858 CRIME SCENE PHOTOS -- A PAIR OF BOAT SHOES IN THE ROOM WHERE 828 00:42:04,858 --> 00:42:07,127 CATHY WAS KILLED THEY LOOKED LIKE DOCKSIDES, AND 829 00:42:07,127 --> 00:42:09,262 THEY BELONGED TO JAMES >> Reporter: SEEMS LIKE KIND OF 830 00:42:09,262 --> 00:42:12,432 A LONG SHOT. BUT YOU'RE THINKING MAYBE THESE 831 00:42:12,432 --> 00:42:15,135 SHOES COULD BE A MATCH TO THE -- THE TREAD ON THE GARBAGE BAG 832 00:42:15,135 --> 00:42:18,838 >> RIGHT, BECAUSE I DUG DEEPER AND THESE ARE THE SHOES THAT HE 833 00:42:18,838 --> 00:42:20,440 WORE ALL THE TIME. I TALKED WITH CATHY'S SISTER, 834 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,076 ANNET. AND SHE SAID HE -- IF HE WASN'T 835 00:42:23,076 --> 00:42:25,278 WEARIN' BOAT SHOES, HE WASN'T WEARIN' ANYTHING AT ALL. 836 00:42:25,278 --> 00:42:27,480 >> Reporter: WAS THIS EVIDENCE THAT JAMES WAS THE ONE WHO 837 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,083 STAGED THE BURGLARY? >> THERE WAS A PROFILER BACK IN 838 00:42:30,083 --> 00:42:32,719 '82, FBI PROFILER THAT WROTE UP A LITTLE SYNOPSIS OF THE KILLER, 839 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,090 AND -- >> Reporter: OH, I'M SO CURIOUS. 840 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:40,760 WHAT DID THEY SAY? >> MY FAVORITE QUOTE IS -- IS 841 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,896 THAT "THE PERSON WHO DID THIS IS AN INTELLIGENT PERSON BUT NOT 842 00:42:42,896 --> 00:42:44,998 CRIMINALLY INTELLIGENT." >> Reporter: THAT COULD FIT PHD 843 00:42:44,998 --> 00:42:50,904 ECONOMIST JAMES KRAUSENECK THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY NOTICED 844 00:42:50,904 --> 00:42:56,142 SOMETHING ELSE IN THE CASEFILE THAT SEEMED SUSPICIOUS ABOUT 845 00:42:56,142 --> 00:43:00,313 CATHY'S HUSBAND. >> WHAT WE FOUND INTERESTING WAS 846 00:43:00,313 --> 00:43:02,048 WITHIN 24 HOURS, HE PACKS UP AND LEAVES ROCHESTER 847 00:43:02,048 --> 00:43:05,185 >> Reporter: I HAVE TO SAY, IF MY SPOUSE WAS MURDERED IN -- IN 848 00:43:05,185 --> 00:43:07,821 OUR BED WITH AN AX, I WOULD BE OUT OF THERE 849 00:43:07,821 --> 00:43:11,558 I WOULD TAKE MY KIDS AND LEAVE BECAUSE I'D BE SO TERRIFIED. 850 00:43:11,558 --> 00:43:14,227 >> BUT WOULD YOU CALL THE POLICE AND ASK THEM, "HOW ARE YOU DOING 851 00:43:14,227 --> 00:43:16,963 ON THE INVESTIGATION DO YOU HAVE ANY LEADS? 852 00:43:16,963 --> 00:43:19,566 WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP YOU? >> Reporter: JAMES HAD NOT 853 00:43:19,566 --> 00:43:22,202 AFTER TALKING TO DETECTIVES IN THOSE EARLY DAYS, HE HAD NEVER 854 00:43:22,202 --> 00:43:26,606 REACHED OUT TO CHECK IN WITH THEM 855 00:43:26,606 --> 00:43:28,641 NOT ONCE IN 30 YEARS INVESTIGATORS WANTED TO KNOW 856 00:43:28,641 --> 00:43:31,878 WHAT HE'D BEEN UP TO ALL THAT TIME 857 00:43:31,878 --> 00:43:34,948 BY 2016, HE WAS LIVING NEAR SEATTLE. 858 00:43:34,948 --> 00:43:37,283 WHAT WAS JAMES DOING IN WASHINGTON 859 00:43:37,283 --> 00:43:39,419 >> HE WAS A VICE PRESIDENT OF SALES FOR A LUMBER COMPANY OUT 860 00:43:39,419 --> 00:43:41,521 THERE. >> Reporter: SOUNDS LIKE HE HAD 861 00:43:41,521 --> 00:43:44,190 A GOOD JOB >> YES, I WOULD SAY -- 862 00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:46,393 >> NICE HOME, HAS A FAIRWAY IN HIS BACKYARD 863 00:43:46,393 --> 00:43:50,630 >> Reporter: AND HE WAS RE-MARRIED TO WIFE NUMBER FOUR 864 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:58,104 OH, SO HE'S BEEN MARRIED THREE TIMES SINCE CATHY'S DEATH? 865 00:43:58,104 --> 00:44:03,410 >> YES >> Reporter: I MEAN, THAT'S A 866 00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:07,147 WHOLE OTHER CAN OF WORMS TO UNPACK RIGHT THERE 867 00:44:07,147 --> 00:44:09,816 >> IT IS >> Reporter: DETECTIVE 868 00:44:09,816 --> 00:44:12,519 LIBERATORE INTERVIEWED JAMES' EX WIVES. 869 00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,221 HIS FIRST WIFE AFTER CATHY'S DEATH SAID THE MARRIAGE HAD 870 00:44:15,221 --> 00:44:18,458 LASTED LESS THAN A YEAR. >> I REMEMBER HER TELLIN' ME 871 00:44:18,458 --> 00:44:22,162 THAT, YOU KNOW, JAMES JUST ABRUPTLY ENDED IT. 872 00:44:22,162 --> 00:44:26,433 AND SHE, YOU KNOW- >> LIKE, REAL ABRUPTLY THOUGH. 873 00:44:26,433 --> 00:44:28,568 >> YES >> SHE CAME UPSTAIRS WITH SOME 874 00:44:28,568 --> 00:44:31,805 COFFEE HE'S, LIKE, "THIS ISN'T 875 00:44:31,805 --> 00:44:33,340 WORKING. AND SHE'S, LIKE, "WHAT, THE 876 00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:36,142 COFFEE?" AND SHE'S -- HE'S, LIKE, "NO, 877 00:44:36,142 --> 00:44:38,645 US." >> Reporter: OH, MY GOSH 878 00:44:38,645 --> 00:44:40,747 >> AND THAT WAS IT >> Reporter: HAD -- HAD SHE 879 00:44:40,747 --> 00:44:43,450 EXPRESSED IF HE HAD GOTTEN VIOLENT OR IF HE WAS AN ANGRY 880 00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:49,322 PERSON >> NONE OF THAT. 881 00:44:49,322 --> 00:44:52,125 HER -- HER -- HER EXPRESSION TO ME WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE NEVER 882 00:44:52,125 --> 00:44:53,259 EXPERIENCED ANY OF THAT. >> Reporter: NEITHER HAD JAMES' 883 00:44:53,259 --> 00:44:54,761 OTHER EX-WIFE. YOU'D THINK THOUGH IF SOMEONE'S 884 00:44:54,761 --> 00:44:56,796 CAPABLE OF KILLING THEIR WIFE WITH AN AX THAT HE MIGHT HAVE A 885 00:44:56,796 --> 00:45:00,533 TEMPER THAT -- THAT WOULD COME THROUGH. 886 00:45:00,533 --> 00:45:02,635 >> UH-HUH. >> Reporter: MILD-MANNERED, 887 00:45:02,635 --> 00:45:04,237 RESERVED THAT'S HOW CATHY'S FAMILY 888 00:45:04,237 --> 00:45:06,373 THOUGHT OF JAMES, TOO. YOU'RE THINKING THAT THERE'S NO 889 00:45:06,373 --> 00:45:08,041 WAY JAMES WOULD EVER KILL CATHY? >> ABSOLUTELY. 890 00:45:08,041 --> 00:45:09,743 THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKIN' NO WAY 891 00:45:09,743 --> 00:45:11,678 >> Reporter: WHY >> BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THAT 892 00:45:11,678 --> 00:45:13,279 HE HAD THAT -- THAT IN 'IM HE WAS-- HE -- HE DIDN'T SEEM 893 00:45:13,279 --> 00:45:14,881 LIKE THAT PERSONALITY TO ME. >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS 894 00:45:14,881 --> 00:45:17,517 WANTED TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES. SO THEY MADE A PLAN. 895 00:45:17,517 --> 00:45:18,651 THEY WERE GOING TO SHOW UP AT JAMES KRAUSENECK'S DOOR 896 00:45:18,651 --> 00:45:20,854 UNANNOUNCED, TAPE RECORDER ROLLING, LIKE GHOSTS FROM THE 897 00:45:20,854 --> 00:45:24,457 PAST >>> COMING UP -- 898 00:45:24,457 --> 00:45:28,328 >> THE FRONT DOOR OPENS AND HE COMES WALKIN' OUT. 899 00:45:28,328 --> 00:45:29,929 >> A CONVERSATION BECOMES A CONFRONTATION. 900 00:45:29,929 --> 00:45:32,098 >> WERE YOU HAVIN' TROUBLES WITH YOUR MARRIAGE? 901 00:45:32,098 --> 00:45:34,200 >> NO. WE HAD A ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL 902 00:45:53,586 --> 00:45:56,723 >> Reporter: IT'S PAINFUL FOR HER TO REMEMBER. 903 00:45:56,723 --> 00:45:58,858 THE CARE-FREE AFTERNOONS ANNET SAYS SHE SPENT PLAYING WITH 904 00:45:58,858 --> 00:46:02,062 CATHY AND BABY SARA BEFORE THE >> WE WOULD JUST ALL SIT IN THE 905 00:46:02,062 --> 00:46:04,230 PLAYROOM AND JUST PLAY TOGETHER. AND WE'D MAYBE ORDER A PIZZA, 906 00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:06,900 AND WE WOULD JUST HANG OUT I MEAN, WE WERE JUST -- IT WAS 907 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,170 THE MOST AWESOME TIME OF MY LIFE 908 00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:13,340 >> Reporter: BUT AFTER THE MURDER, AS THE YEARS PASSED, 909 00:46:13,340 --> 00:46:17,577 EVEN THOUGH SARA WAS LIVING BACK IN MICHIGAN, ANNET SAYS HER 910 00:46:17,577 --> 00:46:20,280 FAMILY SAW LESS AND LESS OF HER. SARA WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL WHEN 911 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,551 JAMES MOVED ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO WASHINGTON STATE. 912 00:46:24,551 --> 00:46:27,253 HIS PARENTS WENT TOO >> THEY ALL JUST GET UP AND MOVE 913 00:46:27,253 --> 00:46:30,957 TO WASHINGTON. AND THAT WAS IT. 914 00:46:30,957 --> 00:46:34,194 AND WE'RE THINKING, "WHY ARE THEY TAKING SARA AWAY? 915 00:46:34,194 --> 00:46:37,464 >> Reporter: ANNET SAYS THIS WAS THE MOMENT THE FAMILY DARED TO 916 00:46:37,464 --> 00:46:40,066 IMAGINE CATHY'S HUSBAND MIGHT BE HIDING SOMETHING 917 00:46:40,066 --> 00:46:43,803 >> I THINK MY MOM WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SAY IT. 918 00:46:43,803 --> 00:46:46,473 SHE SAYS, "I THINK JIM DID IT. >> Reporter: WHAT'S THE REACTION 919 00:46:46,473 --> 00:46:50,210 FROM EVERYBODY >> I KNOW IT MADE ME THINK IF MY 920 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:52,879 MOM BELIEVED IT, IT MADE ME START THINKING 921 00:46:52,879 --> 00:46:57,117 >> Reporter: LIKE INVESTIGATORS, CATHY'S FAMILY WONDERED WHY HE 922 00:46:57,117 --> 00:47:00,253 HADN'T STAYED TO HELP POLICE >> WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT JIM 923 00:47:00,253 --> 00:47:03,023 JUST LEAVING NEW YORK AND COMING TO MICHIGAN RIGHT AWAY 924 00:47:03,023 --> 00:47:05,125 >> Reporter: ANNET WAS THRILLED WHEN THE NEW DETECTIVES TOLD HER 925 00:47:05,125 --> 00:47:08,895 THEY WERE RE-INVESTIGATING THE CASE, AND JAMES WAS ON THEIR 926 00:47:08,895 --> 00:47:13,667 RADAR. IT HAD BEEN MORE THAN 30 YEARS 927 00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:16,336 SINCE JAMES LAST TALKED TO THE POLICE 928 00:47:16,336 --> 00:47:21,608 YOU RING THE DOORBELL, AND DOES JAMES ANSWER 929 00:47:21,608 --> 00:47:23,743 >> RANG THE DOORBELL NOBODY ANSWERED FOR A BIT. 930 00:47:23,743 --> 00:47:27,047 AND WE KINDA DID WHAT THE POLICE ALWAYS DO. 931 00:47:27,047 --> 00:47:30,717 WE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT - 932 00:47:30,717 --> 00:47:33,420 >> I STARTED LOOKING THROUGH THE DOORS AND WINDOWS. 933 00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:36,089 HE STAYED AT THE DOOR AND I STARTED LOOKING THROUGH THE 934 00:47:36,089 --> 00:47:37,257 GARAGE >> AND THEN -- FRONT DOOR OPENS, 935 00:47:37,257 --> 00:47:39,259 AND HE COMES WALKING OUT >> MARK LIBERATORE 936 00:47:39,259 --> 00:47:42,495 HOW ARE YOU? >> GOOD. 937 00:47:42,495 --> 00:47:45,732 >> YOU'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED WHY WE'RE HERE 938 00:47:45,732 --> 00:47:48,935 >> YEAH. HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE SOME GOOD 939 00:47:48,935 --> 00:47:50,537 NEWS >> Reporter: IT WAS THE 940 00:47:50,537 --> 00:47:52,272 BEGINNING OF A 90 MINUTE INTERVIEW DURING WHICH 941 00:47:52,272 --> 00:47:54,207 DETECTIVES DID MOST OF THE TALKING. 942 00:47:54,207 --> 00:47:55,809 AND THE SOFT-SPOKEN JAMES GAVE BRIEF, SOMETIMES HALTING 943 00:47:55,809 --> 00:47:57,844 ANSWERS. >> TELL ME, TO THE BEST OF YOUR 944 00:47:57,844 --> 00:47:59,579 RECOLLECTION OF WHAT HAPPENED 34 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU GOT HOME 945 00:47:59,579 --> 00:48:01,214 FROM WORK FROM KODAK >> SO I THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT 946 00:48:01,214 --> 00:48:03,350 I'M NEVER SURE IF I -- IF I REALLY REMEMBER. 947 00:48:03,350 --> 00:48:06,586 IT SEEMS AS IF THE GARAGE DOOR WAS OPEN 948 00:48:06,586 --> 00:48:09,923 >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH ONE WAS OPEN, MR. KRAUSENECK 949 00:48:09,923 --> 00:48:12,492 >> I'M NOT -- I WOULD SAY THAT ONE. 950 00:48:12,492 --> 00:48:17,630 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE HAD BROUGHT ALONG A DIAGRAM OF THE 951 00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:21,067 HOUSE TO HELP JOG HIS MEMORY >> I REMEMBER THE BACK DOOR WITH 952 00:48:21,067 --> 00:48:25,872 GLASS WAS BROKEN >> AND THEN, MR. KRAUSENECK, 953 00:48:25,872 --> 00:48:28,541 WHERE'D YOU GO AFTER THAT? >> JUST I THINK THIS WAY AND UP 954 00:48:28,541 --> 00:48:32,278 THE STAIRS, SEEING -- WELL, TRYING TO FIND WHERE CATHY WAS 955 00:48:32,278 --> 00:48:35,048 I THINK WHEN I WAS IN THE -- IN OUR ROOM, I THINK SARA CAME IN 956 00:48:35,048 --> 00:48:38,184 >> YOU THINK SARA CAME IN? >> I THINK 957 00:48:38,184 --> 00:48:41,921 >> Reporter: THAT WAS NEW. HE ORIGINALLY TOLD POLICE HE'D 958 00:48:41,921 --> 00:48:45,325 FOUND SARA IN HER ROOM >> AND SHE -- SHE HAD ON HER 959 00:48:45,325 --> 00:48:46,726 SWEATER ON BACKWARDS >> OH, SHE DID 960 00:48:46,726 --> 00:48:48,862 A LITTLE SWEATER ON BACKWARDS? >> YEAH. 961 00:48:48,862 --> 00:48:51,531 >> OKAY. AND THEN WHAT'D YOU SEE? 962 00:48:51,531 --> 00:48:55,835 I KNOW THIS IS HARD. >> CATHY 963 00:48:55,835 --> 00:48:57,971 >> Reporter: JAMES STARTED TO CRY BUT INVESTIGATORS PRESSED 964 00:48:57,971 --> 00:49:03,810 ON >> DID YOU TOUCH HER BODY? 965 00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:16,056 >> I DON'T KNOW. >> DID YOU MOVE ANY BLANKETS TO 966 00:49:16,056 --> 00:49:18,191 >> DID YOU MOVE ANY BLANKETS TO SEE? 967 00:49:18,191 --> 00:49:21,428 >> JUST SOME >> DO YOU REMEMBER IF YOU, LIKE, 968 00:49:21,428 --> 00:49:23,029 CHECKED FOR ANY SIGNS OF LIFE, BREATHING, HEART RATE, ANY OF 969 00:49:23,029 --> 00:49:25,699 THAT >> I THINK THAT'S WHEN SARA CAME 970 00:49:25,699 --> 00:49:27,834 IN AND THEN I -- I JUST GRABBED 971 00:49:27,834 --> 00:49:30,036 SARA >> Reporter: JAMES SAID THAT'S 972 00:49:30,036 --> 00:49:32,105 WHEN HE RAN TO THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET FOR HELP 973 00:49:32,105 --> 00:49:34,207 >> I FEEL BAD ABOUT IT SOMETIMES, 'CAUSE I THINK I WAS 974 00:49:34,207 --> 00:49:36,409 SCARED >> I WOULD BE TOO. 975 00:49:36,409 --> 00:49:39,512 >> 'CAUSE I KINDA WONDER WHY I JUST DIDN'T STAY IN THE HOUSE. 976 00:49:39,512 --> 00:49:43,049 WHY I LEFT CATHY >> Reporter: THE INVESTIGATORS 977 00:49:43,049 --> 00:49:45,185 ASKED HIM TO TELL THEM ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH CATHY. 978 00:49:45,185 --> 00:49:46,453 >> YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ISSUES FINANCIALLY? 979 00:49:46,453 --> 00:49:48,054 >> NO. >> NO? 980 00:49:48,054 --> 00:49:50,924 EVERYTHING WAS GOOD? YOU GUYS WEREN'T HAVING ANY KIND 981 00:49:50,924 --> 00:49:52,359 OF ISSUES IN YOUR MARRIAGE >> NO. 982 00:49:52,359 --> 00:49:55,061 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES STARTED TO QUESTION JAMES ABOUT 983 00:49:55,061 --> 00:49:57,197 DETAILS OF THE CRIME THEIR SUSPICIONS ABOUT THE 984 00:49:57,197 --> 00:50:00,900 BURGLARY >> IF I'M GONNA BAR -- 985 00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:02,569 BURGLARIZE A PLACE, AND I'M GONNA GO UPSTAIRS, AND -- AND 986 00:50:02,569 --> 00:50:04,637 PUT AN AX IN SOMEONE'S HEAD, I'M GONNA TAKE THE STUFF TOO. 987 00:50:04,637 --> 00:50:07,841 HOW 'BOUT EVEN GOING FURTHER, IF I'M A HOMICIDAL MANIAC THAT WAY, 988 00:50:07,841 --> 00:50:12,112 I'D BE TAKING CARE OF SARA TOO WHY LEAVE ANYBODY? 989 00:50:12,112 --> 00:50:14,814 >> WHY WOULD -- YOU'RE -- I JUST -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO 990 00:50:14,814 --> 00:50:16,950 WOULD WANT TO DO THAT. >> EXACTLY 991 00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:19,652 >> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE THINK 992 00:50:19,652 --> 00:50:22,288 >> Reporter: AND THAT'S WHEN THE INVESTIGATORS STARTED TO GET 993 00:50:22,288 --> 00:50:23,957 MORE CONFRONTATIONAL, CHALLENGING JAMES' VERSION OF 994 00:50:23,957 --> 00:50:26,026 EVENTS >> DO YOU REMEMBER IF YOU SLEPT 995 00:50:26,026 --> 00:50:29,696 IN THAT BED THAT NIGHT OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE HOUSE? 996 00:50:29,696 --> 00:50:31,364 >> YEAH, I SLEPT IN THAT BED >> YOU DID 997 00:50:31,364 --> 00:50:36,670 >> Reporter: AND YET POLICE FOUND A PULLOUT COUCH IN THE 998 00:50:36,670 --> 00:50:39,906 DEN, WITH PILLOWS AND BLANKETS PILED UP ON A CHAIR NEARBY 999 00:50:39,906 --> 00:50:42,942 AND AN ALARM CLOCK SET FOR THE TIME JAMES WOKE UP TO GO TO 1000 00:50:42,942 --> 00:50:48,415 WORK >> WERE YOU HAVING TROUBLES WITH 1001 00:50:48,415 --> 00:50:52,452 YOUR MARRIAGE? >> YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK ME A 1002 00:50:52,452 --> 00:50:53,219 THOUSAND TIMES >> I KNOW. 1003 00:50:53,219 --> 00:50:54,921 AND YOU'RE THE ONLY -- AND MR. KRAUSENECK, YOU'RE THE ONLY 1004 00:50:54,921 --> 00:50:56,990 ONE WE CAN ASK YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT. 1005 00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:59,659 >> OKAY. NO 1006 00:50:59,659 --> 00:51:01,795 WE HAD AN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL MARRIAGE 1007 00:51:01,795 --> 00:51:03,430 >> WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION TO THE CONTRARY BOTH FROM REPORTS 1008 00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:05,498 BACK THEN AND -- >> YOU KNOW WHAT 1009 00:51:05,498 --> 00:51:07,233 I DON'T -- IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY -- YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING YOU 1010 00:51:07,233 --> 00:51:09,502 WANNA SAY. BUT THERE -- THAT'S BALONEY. 1011 00:51:09,502 --> 00:51:11,871 >> Reporter: THEN OUT OF NOWHERE, JAMES SAID THIS - 1012 00:51:11,871 --> 00:51:15,075 >> I DIDN'T KILL CATHY >> I DISAGREE. 1013 00:51:15,075 --> 00:51:17,210 >> WELL, THEN -- >> I THINK YOU DID 1014 00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:19,346 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE SHARED HIS THEORY. 1015 00:51:19,346 --> 00:51:24,617 THAT CATHY AND JAMES HAD BEEN STRUGGLING EMOTIONALLY AND 1016 00:51:24,617 --> 00:51:27,287 FINANCIALLY. >> WE WEREN'T IN FINANCIAL 1017 00:51:27,287 --> 00:51:29,956 DIFFICULTY >> I'VE GOT HALF A DOZEN RECORDS 1018 00:51:29,956 --> 00:51:33,159 FROM COLLECTION AGENCIES FROM BACK THEN. 1019 00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,930 >> YOU DON'T HAVE THE -- ALL THAT STUFF IS ABSOLUTELY -- I'D 1020 00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:37,997 LOVE TO SEE THAT >> ALL RIGHT 1021 00:51:37,997 --> 00:51:39,699 WELL, EVENTUALLY YOU WILL. >> Reporter: WHAT WAS -- WHAT 1022 00:51:39,699 --> 00:51:41,201 WAS HIS BODY LANGUAGE LIKE THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT 1023 00:51:41,201 --> 00:51:43,336 >> BODY LANGUAGE, EVERYTHING FROM -- CAN'T SIT STILL. 1024 00:51:43,336 --> 00:51:44,938 BANGING HIS -- HIS HANDS ON HIS -- HIS LEGS. 1025 00:51:44,938 --> 00:51:47,007 >> HIS BREATHING AND HIS HEART RATE WERE SO EXCITED THAT YOU -- 1026 00:51:47,007 --> 00:51:48,208 LITERALLY HIS COLLAR ON HIS SHIRT WAS MOVING FROM HIM JUST 1027 00:51:48,208 --> 00:51:50,276 SITTING THERE. >> Reporter: WHAT'S THAT TELLING 1028 00:51:50,276 --> 00:51:51,878 YOU? >> WE'RE CAUSING HIM TO BE 1029 00:51:51,878 --> 00:51:54,381 UNCOMFORTABLE AT HIS KITCHEN TABLE. 1030 00:51:54,381 --> 00:51:56,116 >> Reporter: IS IT GUILT OR IS IT THE SHOCK OF TWO DETECTIVES 1031 00:51:56,116 --> 00:51:58,385 SHOWING UP ON HIS DOOR DECADES AFTER HIS WIFE'S DEATH 1032 00:51:58,385 --> 00:52:00,954 >> PROBABLY BOTH >> COULD BE BOTH, FOR SURE 1033 00:52:00,954 --> 00:52:04,824 >> Reporter: THE INVESTIGATORS DIDN'T HOLD BACK, PUSHING JAMES 1034 00:52:04,824 --> 00:52:07,360 TO COME CLEAN. >> YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GOTTA DO? 1035 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,631 YOU GOTTA THINK NOT ABOUT YOURSELF 1036 00:52:11,631 --> 00:52:18,104 YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT SARA YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT -- 1037 00:52:18,104 --> 00:52:20,206 >> COME ON OKAY 1038 00:52:20,206 --> 00:52:21,775 >> -- YOUR WIFE. >> TIME OUT. 1039 00:52:21,775 --> 00:52:23,410 TIME TO GO >> Reporter: JAMES HAD HAD 1040 00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:27,447 ENOUGH AND ASKED THE DETECTIVES TO LEAVE BUT THE DETECTIVES 1041 00:52:27,447 --> 00:52:28,381 WEREN'T DONE BECAUSE AT THE EXACT MOMENT THEY 1042 00:52:28,381 --> 00:52:29,883 WERE KNOCKING ON JAMES KRAUSENECK'S DOOR, TWO 1043 00:52:29,883 --> 00:52:34,087 INVESTIGATORS FROM THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE WALKED UP TO 1044 00:52:34,087 --> 00:52:36,089 A HOUSE 2,000 MILES AWAY IN HOUSTON, TEXAS 1045 00:52:36,089 --> 00:52:37,791 >> WE'RE APPROACHING THE FRONT DOOR NOW 1046 00:52:37,791 --> 00:52:39,359 >> Reporter: IT WAS SARA'S HOUSE. 1047 00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:41,461 THE LITTLE GIRL WAS A MOTHER HERSELF NOW. 1048 00:52:41,461 --> 00:52:43,129 WHAT WOULD SHE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT MORNING HER MOTHER WAS 1049 00:52:43,129 --> 00:52:46,299 MURDERED AND THE FATHER NOW UNDER 1050 00:52:46,299 --> 00:52:49,102 SUSPICION? >>> COMING UP -- 1051 00:52:49,102 --> 00:52:50,603 >> I REMEMBER GOING IN THERE TO GET A TISSUE 1052 00:52:50,603 --> 00:52:52,972 THIS IS HOW I REMEMBER IT. >> INTO YOUR MOTHER'S BEDROOM? 1053 00:52:52,972 --> 00:52:55,342 >> YES AND I REMEMBER SEEING HER. 1054 00:52:55,342 --> 00:52:58,678 AND I -- AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I REMEMBER SEEING SOMEBODY ELSE 1055 00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:01,648 WITH CURLY HAIR. >> Reporter: THIS IS DELICATE. 1056 00:53:17,464 --> 00:53:21,167 >> Reporter: MORE THAN 30 YEARS HAD PASSED SINCE SARA KRAUSENECK 1057 00:53:21,167 --> 00:53:24,904 SAT AT THE BRIGHTON POLICE STATION DRAWING STICK FIGURES OF 1058 00:53:24,904 --> 00:53:27,073 HER MOTHER'S MURDER. NOW, INVESTIGATORS WANTED TO 1059 00:53:27,073 --> 00:53:30,243 TALK TO HER AGAIN, ABOUT HER MEMORIES OF WHAT SHE'D SEEN BACK 1060 00:53:30,243 --> 00:53:33,847 THEN ABOUT THE FATHER WHO RAISED HER. 1061 00:53:33,847 --> 00:53:37,717 THIS IS DELICATE I MEAN, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY 1062 00:53:37,717 --> 00:53:40,420 AND SO MUCH TIME HAS PASSED. >> I -- I'D SAY IT WAS 1063 00:53:40,420 --> 00:53:43,723 NERVE-RACKING. >> IT WAS NERVE-RACKING. 1064 00:53:43,723 --> 00:53:46,559 >> Reporter: IT WAS HARD TO KNOW WHAT SARA THOUGHT OF HER DAD ALL 1065 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,095 THESE YEARS LATER. SHE WAS LIVING HUNDREDS OF MILES 1066 00:53:49,095 --> 00:53:52,265 AWAY IN HOUSTON, TEXAS IT WAS THE DAY AFTER HER 38TH 1067 00:53:52,265 --> 00:53:56,569 BIRTHDAY WHEN TWO INVESTIGATORS FROM THE D.A.'S OFFICE KNOCKED 1068 00:53:56,569 --> 00:54:02,409 ON HER DOOR. AT THE EXACT SAME TIME 1069 00:54:02,409 --> 00:54:04,577 INVESTIGATORS WERE TALKING TO HER FATHER 1070 00:54:04,577 --> 00:54:06,179 AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE? >> WE DON'T WANT ONE TALKING TO 1071 00:54:06,179 --> 00:54:07,747 THE OTHER. >> YOU WANT THE ELEMENT OF 1072 00:54:07,747 --> 00:54:09,416 SURPRISE FOR BOTH OF THEM. >> WE WANT THE ELEMENT OF 1073 00:54:09,416 --> 00:54:10,383 SURPRISE, YES. >> HI. 1074 00:54:10,383 --> 00:54:13,086 >> HI. >> HI SARA, I -- 1075 00:54:13,086 --> 00:54:14,688 >> WE APOLOGIZE FOR -- >> SORRY 1076 00:54:14,688 --> 00:54:16,856 I WAS WORKING OUT. >> THAT'S OKAY 1077 00:54:16,856 --> 00:54:19,059 >> NO PROBLEM. >> SORRY TO -- TO BOTHER YOU 1078 00:54:19,059 --> 00:54:20,827 WHEN YOU'RE WORKIN' OUT. >> Reporter: SARA USHERED THE 1079 00:54:20,827 --> 00:54:22,195 INVESTIGATORS INTO THE LIVING ROOM 1080 00:54:22,195 --> 00:54:24,330 >> AGAIN, WE APOLOGIZE FOR - >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 1081 00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:26,466 IT'S A LITTLE SHOCKING, BUT -- >> YEAH. 1082 00:54:26,466 --> 00:54:28,568 I'M SURE IT IS, SARA I'M SURE IT IS 1083 00:54:28,568 --> 00:54:32,072 >> JUST TALKIN' ABOUT IT THIS MORNING, STRANGELY ENOUGH. 1084 00:54:32,072 --> 00:54:35,542 >> OH, WERE YOU? >> YEAH, TO MY DAUGHTER. 1085 00:54:35,542 --> 00:54:38,378 >> Reporter: THE INVESTIGATORS EXPLAINED WHY THEY WERE THERE -- 1086 00:54:38,378 --> 00:54:39,479 HER MOTHER'S CASE HAD BEEN RE-OPENED AND THEY WANTED TO 1087 00:54:39,479 --> 00:54:41,915 HEAR SARA'S STORY. AND SO BEGAN A REMARKABLE 1088 00:54:41,915 --> 00:54:44,184 CONVERSATION IN WHICH YOU WILL HEAR A YOUNG WOMAN CONFRONT HER 1089 00:54:44,184 --> 00:54:46,319 MEMORIES, HER LIFE-LONG GRIEF AND EVERYTHING SHE THOUGHT SHE 1090 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:48,755 KNEW ABOUT HER FATHER. >> YOU WERE OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE 1091 00:54:48,755 --> 00:54:50,090 GIRL - >> YES 1092 00:54:50,090 --> 00:54:52,158 >> -- WHEN THIS HAPPENED >> YES 1093 00:54:52,158 --> 00:54:54,294 >> YOU WERE A LITTLE SHY OF 4 YEARS OLD. 1094 00:54:54,294 --> 00:54:56,429 >> YEAH, I WOULD SAY 3 1/2 >> 3 1/2 1095 00:54:56,429 --> 00:54:59,799 YEAH >> YEAH. 1096 00:54:59,799 --> 00:55:01,267 >> Reporter: SARA SAID HER MEMORIES WERE HAZY, JUMBLED. 1097 00:55:01,267 --> 00:55:04,471 BUT SHE WOULD DO HER BEST TO REMEMBER 1098 00:55:04,471 --> 00:55:08,775 SHE MADE SURE HER OWN KIDS WERE OUT OF EARSHOT AND THEN BEGAN. 1099 00:55:08,775 --> 00:55:11,111 >> SO I REMEMBER WAKING UP AND MY BEDROOM WAS ACROSS FROM 1100 00:55:11,111 --> 00:55:13,046 THEIR BEDROOM AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS 1101 00:55:13,046 --> 00:55:14,614 AND I REMEMBER GOING IN THERE TO GET A TISSUE 1102 00:55:14,614 --> 00:55:16,750 THIS IS HOW I REMEMBER IT. >> INTO YOUR MOTHER'S BEDROOM? 1103 00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:18,385 >> YES UH-HUH 1104 00:55:18,385 --> 00:55:21,154 AND I REMEMBER SEEING HER. AND I -- AT SOME POINT IN TIME, 1105 00:55:21,154 --> 00:55:22,622 I REMEMBER SEEING SOMEBODY ELSE WITH CURLY HAIR. 1106 00:55:22,622 --> 00:55:24,758 AND I DON'T KNOW IF I ACTUALLY SAW ANYBODY ELSE, OR IF I JUST 1107 00:55:24,758 --> 00:55:26,359 SAW HER AND I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS HER, AND SOMETHING LIKE 1108 00:55:26,359 --> 00:55:28,528 THAT AND THEN I JUST REMEMBER, LIKE, 1109 00:55:28,528 --> 00:55:30,663 SITTING IN MY BEDROOM, LIKE, TELLING MY DOLLIES IT WOULD BE 1110 00:55:30,663 --> 00:55:32,265 OKAY AND THEN WAITING UNTIL SOMEONE CAME 1111 00:55:32,265 --> 00:55:34,401 >> Reporter: SHE SAID SHE'D GONE DOWNSTAIRS AT ONE POINT AND SEEN 1112 00:55:34,401 --> 00:55:36,536 WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN BROKEN GLASS. 1113 00:55:36,536 --> 00:55:38,705 >> AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS, LIKE, GLASS OR ICE, 'CAUSE THERE 1114 00:55:38,705 --> 00:55:41,341 WAS SNOW OUTSIDE SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO WALK 1115 00:55:41,341 --> 00:55:42,942 OR WHAT TO DO. AND IT WAS SNOW. 1116 00:55:42,942 --> 00:55:45,111 AND I WAS CONFUSED SO I STAYED UPSTAIRS WITH MY 1117 00:55:45,111 --> 00:55:47,414 DOLLS. >> Reporter: SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T 1118 00:55:47,414 --> 00:55:49,416 REMEMBER WHO FOUND HER IN THE HOUSE. 1119 00:55:49,416 --> 00:55:52,118 SHE DID REMEMBER TALKING TO THE POLICE 1120 00:55:52,118 --> 00:55:53,720 >> WHAT HAS YOUR DAD TOLD YOU? >> UM, MY DAD DOESN'T LIKE TO 1121 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:56,856 TALK ABOUT IT VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. 1122 00:55:56,856 --> 00:55:58,792 >> UM, AND I THINK HE TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS A KID, 1123 00:55:58,792 --> 00:56:06,032 WHEN I WOULD ASK ABOUT IT. BUT MY DAD ISN'T A "TALK ABOUT 1124 00:56:06,032 --> 00:56:09,235 IT" KIND OF A GUY. >> Reporter: SHE TOLD THE 1125 00:56:09,235 --> 00:56:13,039 INVESTIGATORS SHE WASN'T SURPRISED HER DAD HADN'T BEEN IN 1126 00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:16,843 REGULAR CONTACT WITH THE POLICE. >> I THINK HE CAN'T CHANGE WHAT 1127 00:56:16,843 --> 00:56:19,479 HAPPENED HE CAN'T CHANGE IT 1128 00:56:19,479 --> 00:56:21,614 HE WISHES HE COULD BUT HE'S JUST GONNA TRY TO MOVE 1129 00:56:21,614 --> 00:56:24,317 ON AND NOT DWELL IN IT, TO BE EXTREMELY SAD ALL THE TIME 1130 00:56:24,317 --> 00:56:27,420 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN >> Reporter: SARA SAID SHE FELT 1131 00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:29,122 THE SAME WAY SHE HAD GROWN UP A MOTHERLESS 1132 00:56:29,122 --> 00:56:32,058 CHILD. THAT'S WHAT SHE KNEW 1133 00:56:32,058 --> 00:56:33,426 >> WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE AFTER YOUR MOTHER WAS KILLED 1134 00:56:33,426 --> 00:56:35,061 WHERE DO YOU RECALL THE NEXT CHAPTER OF LIFE FOR YOU? 1135 00:56:35,061 --> 00:56:37,163 >> SO THEN WE MOVED TO MICHIGAN. >> OKAY. 1136 00:56:37,163 --> 00:56:39,299 >> UM, WITH MY DAD'S PARENTS, AND WE MOVED IN WITH THEM. 1137 00:56:39,299 --> 00:56:40,900 >> HOW DID THAT GO >> I'M -- VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MY 1138 00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:42,502 DAD'S MOM THAT HAS NOW PASSED AWAY 1139 00:56:42,502 --> 00:56:44,637 >> OKAY. >> AND SO SHE WAS, LIKE, THE 1140 00:56:44,637 --> 00:56:47,273 WOMAN FIGURE IN MY LIFE. >> RIGHT 1141 00:56:47,273 --> 00:56:50,477 >> AND EXTREMELY CLOSE TO HER. >> Reporter: THEN SHE DESCRIBED 1142 00:56:50,477 --> 00:56:52,645 THE MOVE TO WASHINGTON STATE, FOLLOWED BY COLLEGE IN ARIZONA, 1143 00:56:52,645 --> 00:56:55,348 AND MOVING WITH HER YOUNG FAMILY TO TEXAS 1144 00:56:55,348 --> 00:56:58,651 ALWAYS THERE FOR HER AT THE END OF THE PHONE WAS HER DAD 1145 00:56:58,651 --> 00:57:00,186 >> HOW CLOSE ARE YOU WITH YOUR DAD? 1146 00:57:00,186 --> 00:57:01,821 >> I'M VERY CLOSE WITH MY DAD. >> VERY CLOSE WITH YOUR DAD? 1147 00:57:01,821 --> 00:57:04,524 >> YES >> OKAY. 1148 00:57:04,524 --> 00:57:07,160 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS HAD BEEN DOING ALL THE LISTENING 1149 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,829 BUT HALF AN HOUR INTO THE CONVERSATION THEY STARTED DOING 1150 00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:12,799 THE TELLING. LAYING OUT FOR SARA WHAT THEY 1151 00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:16,803 HAD DISCOVERED THEIR THEORY ABOUT THE STAGED 1152 00:57:16,803 --> 00:57:22,642 BURGLARY, AND SOMETHING NEW. SOME NEW SCIENCE 1153 00:57:22,642 --> 00:57:30,617 >> THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY 1154 00:57:30,617 --> 00:57:33,820 THE FORENSIC PEOPLE THAT, UH, HAVE HELPED TO VERY PRECISELY 1155 00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:35,955 AND NARROWLY -- NARROWLY, UH, DEFINE A TIME OF DEATH ON -- ON 1156 00:57:35,955 --> 00:57:39,125 A BODY >> OH. 1157 00:57:39,125 --> 00:57:42,328 OKAY >> Reporter: JAMES KRAUSENECK 1158 00:57:42,328 --> 00:57:45,532 TOLD POLICE THAT WHEN HE LEFT FOR WORK, CATHY WAS ALIVE. 1159 00:57:45,532 --> 00:57:48,735 BACK IN 1982 THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAID THAT COULD VERY 1160 00:57:48,735 --> 00:57:51,938 WELL BE TRUE BUT THE INVESTIGATORS TOLD SARA 1161 00:57:51,938 --> 00:57:54,574 THAT THANKS TO SCIENTIFIC ADVANCES THEY COULD PIN DOWN 1162 00:57:54,574 --> 00:57:58,678 EXACTLY WHAT TIME HER MOTHER DIED 1163 00:57:58,678 --> 00:58:00,447 AND THE ANSWER STRUCK RIGHT AT THE HEART OF EVERYTHING SHE HAD 1164 00:58:00,447 --> 00:58:02,582 BEEN TOLD ABOUT THE MURDER >> THERE'S NO EASY WAY TO SAY 1165 00:58:02,582 --> 00:58:07,887 IT THERE'S REASON TO CONCLUDE THAT 1166 00:58:07,887 --> 00:58:10,590 YOUR MOTHER WAS KILLED BEFORE YOUR DAD LEFT FOR WORK 1167 00:58:10,590 --> 00:58:12,726 NOW YOUR DAD LEFT FOR WORK ABOUT, UH -- 1168 00:58:12,726 --> 00:58:15,729 >> DO YOU THINK THAT MY DAD KILLED MY MOM? 1169 00:58:15,729 --> 00:58:17,931 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? 1170 00:58:17,931 --> 00:58:19,632 >> WELL, WE'LL -- WE'LL PROGRESS THROUGH THE CASE 1171 00:58:19,632 --> 00:58:21,768 >> CAN WE JUST -- CAN WE -- 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S 1172 00:58:21,768 --> 00:58:23,903 WHERE -- I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE VIBE I'M GETTING 1173 00:58:23,903 --> 00:58:26,606 >> OKAY. >> SO CAN WE -- CAN WE - 1174 00:58:26,606 --> 00:58:29,242 >> OKAY. THE -- THE -- THE INVESTIGATION 1175 00:58:29,242 --> 00:58:31,378 HAS CERTAINLY STARTED TO POINT THAT WAY 1176 00:58:31,378 --> 00:58:34,714 >> Reporter: THIS HAD TO BE JUST INCREDIBLY UNSETTLING FOR SARA 1177 00:58:34,714 --> 00:58:36,649 THAT SHE'S PROBABLY BEEN TOLD ONE THING, YOU KNOW, BY HER DAD 1178 00:58:36,649 --> 00:58:39,352 HER ENTIRE LIFE. AND NOW THE POLICE ARE TELLING 1179 00:58:39,352 --> 00:58:42,122 HER THEY THINK HER DAD'S A KILLER 1180 00:58:42,122 --> 00:58:44,691 >> CORRECT >> SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT IT 1181 00:58:44,691 --> 00:58:47,927 WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO COME DOWN HERE AND TALK TO YOU IN 1182 00:58:47,927 --> 00:58:49,496 PERSON - >> HOLY -- 1183 00:58:49,496 --> 00:58:51,164 >> YEAH. IT'S PROBABLY, LIKE, FEELIN' 1184 00:58:51,164 --> 00:58:53,233 LIKE - YOU GOT HIT WITH A TWO BY FOUR 1185 00:58:53,233 --> 00:58:55,368 RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. 1186 00:58:55,368 --> 00:58:57,470 GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. >> OKAY. 1187 00:58:57,470 --> 00:59:00,173 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> NOT OKAY WITH THIS ONE. 1188 00:59:00,173 --> 00:59:02,308 >> OKAY. TAKE YOUR TIME 1189 00:59:02,308 --> 00:59:04,010 >> SORRY >> NO. 1190 00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:06,079 NO, NO YOU DON'T -- 1191 00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,448 >> THAT'S -- >> LISTEN, JUST -- 1192 00:59:08,448 --> 00:59:09,349 >> SARA, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. 1193 00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:11,484 >> THE LAST THING IN THE FRICKIN' WORLD I WOULD EVER -- 1194 00:59:11,484 --> 00:59:13,086 >> YES >> -- IMAGINE. 1195 00:59:13,086 --> 00:59:14,688 >> RIGHT >> AND I'M STILL -- DON'T 1196 00:59:14,688 --> 00:59:18,358 BELIEVE YOU. >> Reporter: SARA'S THOUGHTS 1197 00:59:18,358 --> 00:59:19,592 QUICKLY JUMPED TO WHAT WAS AT STAKE FOR HER DAD -- AND HER -- 1198 00:59:19,592 --> 00:59:20,627 IF HE WAS ARRESTED >> NOW I JUST THINK MY KIDS ARE 1199 00:59:20,627 --> 00:59:23,163 GONNA GROW UP WITHOUT A GRANDPA. >> WELL, NO, NOT NECESSARILY 1200 00:59:23,163 --> 00:59:23,930 BECAUSE THAT'S STILL THEIR GRANDPA. 1201 00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:25,865 YOU KNOW >> I KNOW, BUT A GRANDPA THAT'S 1202 00:59:25,865 --> 00:59:27,467 IN JAIL OR SOMETHING YOU KNOW 1203 00:59:27,467 --> 00:59:29,202 THAT'S, LIKE - >> LET'S -- LET'S TAKE IT SLOW 1204 00:59:29,202 --> 00:59:31,204 >> I DON'T WANT MORE TAKEN FROM ME THAN I ALREADY GOT TAKEN FROM 1205 00:59:31,204 --> 00:59:32,806 ME >> RIGHT 1206 00:59:32,806 --> 00:59:35,041 >> I KNOW. >> Reporter: SARA SAID SHE'D 1207 00:59:35,041 --> 00:59:36,576 ALREADY LOST HER MOTHER. SHE COULDN'T LOSE HER DAD, TOO 1208 00:59:36,576 --> 00:59:38,278 >> NOW I DON'T WANT YOU TO INVESTIGATE ANYMORE, 'CAUSE I 1209 00:59:38,278 --> 00:59:40,347 DON'T -- >> RIGHT 1210 00:59:40,347 --> 00:59:43,350 BUT YOU SUFFERED A TERRIBLE LOSS GROWIN' UP WITHOUT YOUR MOTHER 1211 00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:44,351 >> WELL, AND SHE -- YEAH, THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER 1212 00:59:44,351 --> 00:59:46,219 BECAUSE SHE DESERVES -- IT'S -- YEAH, THAT'S NOT FAIR EITHER 1213 00:59:46,219 --> 00:59:48,555 >> SO YOU SUFFERED A TERRIBLE LOSS 1214 00:59:48,555 --> 00:59:50,523 AND YOUR MOTHER OBVIOUSLY LOST MAYBE ANOTHER 50 YEARS THAT SHE 1215 00:59:50,523 --> 00:59:52,659 COULD HAVE LIVED AND ENJOYED LIFE 1216 00:59:52,659 --> 00:59:56,730 >> Reporter: AND THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD SARA SOME OF 1217 00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:59,632 WHAT HE'D LEARNED ABOUT HER MOTHER BY WORKING ON THE CASE. 1218 00:59:59,632 --> 01:00:01,735 >> THE DAY BEFORE YOUR MOTHER LOST HER LIFE, SHE TOOK YOU 1219 01:00:01,735 --> 01:00:04,437 SLEDDING >> AWESOME 1220 01:00:04,437 --> 01:00:07,073 THAT'S GOOD. >> DID YOU KNOW THAT 1221 01:00:07,073 --> 01:00:09,743 >> NO. >> IF SHE GOT TO LIVE ANOTHER 1222 01:00:09,743 --> 01:00:11,845 DAY, THAT SATURDAY, YOU WERE GONNA GO TO THE CIRCUS TOO 1223 01:00:11,845 --> 01:00:14,547 >> THAT'S VERY COOL. >> Reporter: WERE INVESTIGATORS 1224 01:00:14,547 --> 01:00:17,183 HOPING THE WARM MEMORIES OF HER MOM WOULD MAKE HER TURN ON HER 1225 01:00:17,183 --> 01:00:19,853 DAD? MAYBE. 1226 01:00:19,853 --> 01:00:22,555 SARA SEEMED TO WAVER SHE AGREED IT WAS STRANGE HER 1227 01:00:22,555 --> 01:00:24,124 DAD LEFT TOWN SO SOON AFTER THE MURDER 1228 01:00:24,124 --> 01:00:26,226 >> YOU'D THINK YOU'D WANNA HELP IF YOUR -- 1229 01:00:26,226 --> 01:00:28,895 >> RIGHT >> WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANNA HELP? 1230 01:00:28,895 --> 01:00:31,564 THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. >> RIGHT 1231 01:00:31,564 --> 01:00:33,700 >> Reporter: BUT SHE INSISTED, THE DAD SHE KNEW WAS A GOOD MAN. 1232 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,770 >> MY DAD IS A WONDERFUL PERSON. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT - 1233 01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:37,971 >> WE SEE A LOTTA WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO MAKE SPLIT-SECOND 1234 01:00:37,971 --> 01:00:40,073 DECISIONS -- >> RIGHT 1235 01:00:40,073 --> 01:00:46,780 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING SO IF -- 1236 01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:47,781 >> -- THAT ARE TERRIBLE. >> IF THAT IS THE CASE - 1237 01:00:47,781 --> 01:00:48,682 >> RIGHT >> THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO 1238 01:00:48,682 --> 01:00:50,316 DOUBT -- >> YES 1239 01:00:50,316 --> 01:00:52,419 >> THAT -- >> IT DOES HAPPEN. 1240 01:00:52,419 --> 01:00:56,156 I MEAN, GOOD PEOPLE -- >> THAT GOOD PEOPLE DO BAD 1241 01:00:56,156 --> 01:00:58,291 THINGS >> YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT 1242 01:00:58,291 --> 01:01:00,427 OF MY MOUTH, SARA. >> Reporter: SARA BRIEFLY SEEMED 1243 01:01:00,427 --> 01:01:04,798 TO WRESTLE WITH THE IDEA HER DAD COULD BE BEHIND THE MURDER 1244 01:01:04,798 --> 01:01:07,400 >> IF THIS HAPPENED, IT WAS DEFINITELY A CRIME OF PASSION, A 1245 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,603 SPLIT SECOND >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 1246 01:01:10,603 --> 01:01:12,205 >> DO YOU THINK YOUR FATHER WOULD EVER OWN UP TO DOIN' 1247 01:01:12,205 --> 01:01:13,807 SOMETHIN' THAT HE REGRETS LIKE THIS 1248 01:01:13,807 --> 01:01:17,077 >> I HAVE NO IDEA. I -- I -- I CAN'T COMPREHE -- I 1249 01:01:17,077 --> 01:01:18,244 JUST CAN'T -- CAN'T COMPREHEND THAT HE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE 1250 01:01:18,244 --> 01:01:19,212 THIS >> Reporter: SARA PROMISED TO 1251 01:01:19,212 --> 01:01:21,314 THINK ABOUT WHAT THE INVESTIGATORS HAD TOLD HER 1252 01:01:21,314 --> 01:01:23,783 ABOUT WHAT IT ALL MEANT. FOR HER, AND HER FATHER. 1253 01:01:23,783 --> 01:01:27,187 BECAUSE THE WALLS WERE ABOUT TO CLOSE IN ON JAMES KRAUSENECK 1254 01:01:27,187 --> 01:01:30,924 >> COMING UP - >> WE WERE TRYING TO SEE IF 1255 01:01:30,924 --> 01:01:33,927 THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF SOMEONE OTHER THAN CATHY, OF JAMES, AND 1256 01:01:33,927 --> 01:01:38,431 THE LITTLE GIRL. >> THE RESULTS ARE IN FROM THE 1257 01:01:38,431 --> 01:01:40,867 CRIME LAB -- WHAT WOULD THE EVIDENCE REVEAL? 1258 01:01:40,867 --> 01:01:42,736 >> DID YOU EVER THINK, IN ALL THIS TIME, THAT YOU WOULD HEAR 1259 01:01:42,736 --> 01:02:02,889 NEWS LIKE THAT >> Reporter: DETECTIVES WORKING 1260 01:02:02,889 --> 01:02:04,591 THE CASE WERE MORE CONVINCED THAN EVER THAT JAMES KRAUSENECK 1261 01:02:04,591 --> 01:02:06,626 WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED HIS WIFE CATHY. 1262 01:02:06,626 --> 01:02:08,728 THEY WENT TO SEE THE PROSECUTOR TO ARGUE THEIR CASE. 1263 01:02:08,728 --> 01:02:11,398 >> SO ALL THE BUREAU CHIEFS COME IN, WE PUT A PRESENTATION 1264 01:02:11,398 --> 01:02:17,771 TOGETHER, AND WE PRESENTED IT. >> Reporter: DISTRICT ATTORNEY 1265 01:02:17,771 --> 01:02:21,508 SANDRA DOORLEY WAS ALL EARS. >> I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PROSECUTOR 1266 01:02:21,508 --> 01:02:23,643 AND A DISTRICT ATTORNEY WHO BELIEVES THAT ALL VICTIMS 1267 01:02:23,643 --> 01:02:25,812 DESERVE JUSTICE, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG, HOW MUCH TIME HAS 1268 01:02:25,812 --> 01:02:27,914 PASSED >> Reporter: DA DOORLEY HAD 1269 01:02:27,914 --> 01:02:30,583 REVIEWED THE RESULTS FROM THE FBI LAB. 1270 01:02:30,583 --> 01:02:34,521 ALL THOSE ITEMS OF EVIDENCE THEY HAD SENT OFF FOR TESTING TOLD 1271 01:02:34,521 --> 01:02:36,456 HER A STORY. >> THERE WAS NO OUTSIDE DNA 1272 01:02:36,456 --> 01:02:40,193 FOUND ON ANY OF THE ITEMS. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 1273 01:02:40,193 --> 01:02:42,896 WE WERE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF -- OF SOMEONE 1274 01:02:42,896 --> 01:02:45,565 OTHER THAN CATHY, OF JAMES, AND THE LITTLE GIRL. 1275 01:02:45,565 --> 01:02:49,302 >> Reporter: AND SOMETIMES THE LACK OF DNA, EXTERNAL DNA, TELLS 1276 01:02:49,302 --> 01:02:52,205 JUST AS BIG A STORY AS DNA DOES. >> ABSOLUTELY. 1277 01:02:52,205 --> 01:02:57,844 IT TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS NO OUTSIDE PERSON WHO CAME INTO 1278 01:02:57,844 --> 01:03:01,614 THAT HOUSE OTHER THAN THE RESIDENTS. 1279 01:03:01,614 --> 01:03:05,352 >> Reporter: WHY DO YOU THINK THERE WAS NOT AN ARREST ALL 1280 01:03:05,352 --> 01:03:07,687 THOSE DECADES AGO? >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY WERE 1281 01:03:07,687 --> 01:03:09,055 LOOKING FOR THE SMOKING GUN, THE PROVERBIAL SMOKING GUN 1282 01:03:09,055 --> 01:03:14,527 AND I'M WILLING TO TAKE A CHANCE AND THAT'S BEEN MY REPUTATION. 1283 01:03:14,527 --> 01:03:16,463 >> Reporter: IN LATE 2019, THE STATE FILED SECOND-DEGREE MURDER 1284 01:03:16,463 --> 01:03:19,299 CHARGES AGAINST 68-YEAR-OLD JAMES KRAUSENECK 1285 01:03:19,299 --> 01:03:22,869 BY THAT POINT, ALMOST FORTY YEARS HAD PASSED SINCE CATHY'S 1286 01:03:22,869 --> 01:03:25,205 MURDER DID YOU EVER THINK, IN ALL THIS 1287 01:03:25,205 --> 01:03:27,140 TIME, THAT YOU'D -- YOU WOULD HEAR NEWS LIKE THAT? 1288 01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:30,810 >> NEVER I MEAN THAT WAS HUGE 1289 01:03:30,810 --> 01:03:34,614 >> Reporter: THE CASE WENT TO TRIAL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 1290 01:03:34,614 --> 01:03:38,351 CATHY'S FAMILY MEMBERS, INCLUDING HER ELDERLY FATHER, 1291 01:03:38,351 --> 01:03:47,460 WERE THERE EVERYDAY. WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU AND 1292 01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:54,901 YOUR FAMILY TO BE THERE? >> WE HAD TO BE THERE, FOR 1293 01:03:54,901 --> 01:03:57,103 CATHY. I -- WE WOULDN'T'VE BEEN 1294 01:03:57,103 --> 01:03:59,172 ANYWHERE ELSE. >> Reporter: HOW DID HE GET 1295 01:03:59,172 --> 01:04:02,342 THROUGH ALL THIS HE'S IN HIS 90s? 1296 01:04:02,342 --> 01:04:07,180 >> 95. >> Reporter: YOUR MOM NEVER GOT 1297 01:04:07,180 --> 01:04:11,451 TO SEE JUSTICE, BUT WAS YOUR DAD DETERMINED TO BE THERE, AND SEE 1298 01:04:11,451 --> 01:04:13,053 THIS THROUGH >> UM, I BELIEVE HE WAS QUOTED, 1299 01:04:13,053 --> 01:04:16,256 "COME HELL OR HIGH WATER, I'M GOING TO BE AT THAT TRIAL. 1300 01:04:16,256 --> 01:04:19,059 >> IT'S BEEN 40 YEARS, SEVEN MONTHS, AND APPROXIMATELY FOUR 1301 01:04:19,059 --> 01:04:22,662 DAYS THAT'S HOW LONG CATHY'S FAMILY 1302 01:04:22,662 --> 01:04:24,798 HAS BEEN WAITING FOR JUSTICE >> Reporter: MONROE COUNTY 1303 01:04:24,798 --> 01:04:28,068 ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEYS PATRICK GALLAGHER AND CONSTANCE 1304 01:04:28,068 --> 01:04:31,738 PATTERSON KNEW THEY HAD A BIG CHALLENGE AHEAD. 1305 01:04:31,738 --> 01:04:33,873 NOT AN EASY CASE I MEAN, DID YOU WORRY ABOUT 1306 01:04:33,873 --> 01:04:36,543 THAT JUST HOW HIGHLY CIRCUMSTANTIAL 1307 01:04:36,543 --> 01:04:38,778 THIS CASE WAS? >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THOUGHT 1308 01:04:38,778 --> 01:04:40,914 IT WAS A SLAM DUNK UM, YOU KNOW, DID WE THINK IT 1309 01:04:40,914 --> 01:04:43,483 COULD BE AN UPHILL BATTLE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS CIRCUMSTANTIAL? 1310 01:04:43,483 --> 01:04:45,618 OF -- OF COURSE. >> THIS CASE REALLY WAS ABOUT 1311 01:04:45,618 --> 01:04:47,787 LOOKING AT THE -- ALL THE PIECES IN THIS CASE 1312 01:04:47,787 --> 01:04:49,923 LOOKING AT WHAT DOESN'T FIT. >> Reporter: AND THE JURY 1313 01:04:49,923 --> 01:04:52,592 LEARNED ALL ABOUT THOSE LITTLE PIECES 1314 01:04:52,592 --> 01:04:56,296 THE CLEARLY STAGED CRIME SCENE, THE SHOEPRINT THAT LOOKED JUST 1315 01:04:56,296 --> 01:04:58,965 LIKE JAMES'S BOAT SHOE, THE FACT THAT NO ONE ELSES DNA OR 1316 01:04:58,965 --> 01:05:01,668 FINGERPRINTS WERE FOUND INSIDE THE HOME, AND HOW JAMES SHOWED 1317 01:05:01,668 --> 01:05:07,207 LITTLE INTEREST IN THE INVESTIGATION DURING THE DECADES 1318 01:05:07,207 --> 01:05:09,676 THAT FOLLOWED HIS WIFE'S MURDER. >> OUR GOAL WAS TO JUST HAVE THE 1319 01:05:09,676 --> 01:05:13,446 JURY USE THEIR COMMON SENSE TO SEE THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE 1320 01:05:13,446 --> 01:05:16,649 ANSWER HERE AND -- THAT WAS THAT JAMES KRAUSENECK 1321 01:05:16,649 --> 01:05:18,785 COMMITTED THIS CRIME >> Reporter: AND THE STATE 1322 01:05:18,785 --> 01:05:26,760 ATTEMPTED TO BACK UP ITS CLAIM BY PUTTING ON TESTIMONY ABOUT 1323 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,862 CATHY'S TIME OF DEATH. FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST DR. MICHAEL 1324 01:05:28,862 --> 01:05:31,498 BADEN, FAMOUS FOR WORKING ON HIGH PROFILE CASES, TOLD THE 1325 01:05:31,498 --> 01:05:33,633 JURY THAT IN HIS OPINION CATHY DIED BEFORE JAMES WENT TO WORK 1326 01:05:33,633 --> 01:05:37,070 >> WE FELT CONFIDENT IN DR. BADEN'S EXPERIENCE AND HIS 1327 01:05:37,070 --> 01:05:40,473 OPINION THAT CATHY DIED BEFORE 6:30 1328 01:05:40,473 --> 01:05:42,208 I THINK HIS REASONING WAS -- WAS EASY TO FOLLOW FOR THE JURY, UM, 1329 01:05:42,208 --> 01:05:46,980 BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT THE CASE TO RISE AND FALL ON THAT 1330 01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:52,085 >> Reporter: ANOTHER PIECE OF THEIR PUZZLE, A 1331 01:05:52,085 --> 01:05:55,355 BURGLARY-GONE-BAD MADE NO SENSE. CASE IN POINT, THE MURDER 1332 01:05:55,355 --> 01:05:57,123 WEAPON, IT BELONGED TO THE KRAUSENECKS; HAD BEEEN STORED IN 1333 01:05:57,123 --> 01:05:59,292 THE FAMILY GARAGE. >> WOULDN'T YOU BRING A WEAPON 1334 01:05:59,292 --> 01:06:01,428 IF YOU'RE COMIN' TO COMMIT A MURDER, WOULDN'T YOU BRING 1335 01:06:01,428 --> 01:06:03,563 SOMETHING WITH YOU TO COMMIT THAT MURDER? 1336 01:06:03,563 --> 01:06:06,232 >> Reporter: WHAT IS THE STORY THAT YOU TOLD THE JURY ABOUT 1337 01:06:06,232 --> 01:06:09,469 WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT FEBRUARY MORNING? 1338 01:06:09,469 --> 01:06:14,207 >> WHAT HAPPENED THAT MORNING IS THAT JAMES KRAUSENECK SNAPPED. 1339 01:06:14,207 --> 01:06:21,614 AT SOME POINT, WE KNOW THAT CATHY GOES TO BED, UM, THAT 1340 01:06:21,614 --> 01:06:30,123 EVENING OF FEBRUARY 18th, 1982 AND SHE NEVER WAKES UP. 1341 01:06:30,123 --> 01:06:33,860 >> Reporter: I MEAN, SNAP AND GRAB AN AX 1342 01:06:33,860 --> 01:06:37,130 IT JUST SEEMS ALMOST FAR-FETCHED. 1343 01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:42,335 >> RIGHT I MEAN, THIS WAS SO PERSONAL 1344 01:06:42,335 --> 01:06:46,639 THIS WAS -- IT COULDN'T BE ANYBODY ELSE 1345 01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:49,809 >> Reporter: BUT WHY WHY WOULD THIS HIGHLY EDUCATED 1346 01:06:49,809 --> 01:06:53,580 MAN WITH NO HISTORY OF VIOLENCE KILL HIS WIFE? 1347 01:06:53,580 --> 01:06:57,317 THE STATE HAD A THEORY THAT IT ALL HAD TO DO WITH A SECRET 1348 01:06:57,317 --> 01:07:00,020 JAMES HAD BEEN KEEPING THE WEEK CATHY WAS MURDERED, 1349 01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:02,422 JAMES' EMPLOYER, KODAK WAS PRESSING HIM TO PROVIDE PROOF OF 1350 01:07:02,422 --> 01:07:04,290 HIS PH.D WELL, TURNS OUT, DESPITE ALL THE 1351 01:07:04,290 --> 01:07:06,860 FANFARE AROUND HIS GRADUATION, HE'D NEVER COMPLETED HIS DEGREE. 1352 01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:09,129 >> Reporter: THAT'S A JAW-DROPPER? 1353 01:07:09,129 --> 01:07:11,231 >> YEAH. THAT WAS DEFINITELY. 1354 01:07:11,231 --> 01:07:13,433 >> Reporter: HE GOT THE JOB AT KODAK. 1355 01:07:13,433 --> 01:07:15,035 >> YES >> Reporter: BECAUSE OF THE 1356 01:07:15,035 --> 01:07:16,603 DOCTORATE? >> YES 1357 01:07:16,603 --> 01:07:19,739 WHAT A LIE WHAT A HUGE LIE. 1358 01:07:19,739 --> 01:07:20,940 >> HE WAS CONFRONTED ABOUT NOT HAVING A PHD AND, YOU KNOW, HE 1359 01:07:20,940 --> 01:07:23,043 KNOWS THAT HE MOVED HIS FAMILY TO ROCHESTER BECAUSE HE HAD THIS 1360 01:07:23,043 --> 01:07:24,611 NICE JOB AND IF HE LOSES THAT JOB, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN 1361 01:07:24,611 --> 01:07:27,047 AND SO HE KNEW THAT WITHIN A SHORT TIME, THE TRUTH WAS GONNA 1362 01:07:27,047 --> 01:07:28,815 COME OUT >> Reporter: HOW COULD THAT LEAD 1363 01:07:28,815 --> 01:07:31,951 TO MURDER? PROSECUTORS BELIEVED THE STRESS 1364 01:07:31,951 --> 01:07:33,586 AT WORK HAD LED TO TENSION IN THE MARRIAGE 1365 01:07:33,586 --> 01:07:36,790 THEY CALLED CATHY'S FRIEND GLORIA TO THE STAND. 1366 01:07:36,790 --> 01:07:49,069 >> AT THE END JUST BEFORE SHE WAS MURDERED, UM, SHE TOLD ME 1367 01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:50,937 THAT, YOU KNOW, KODAK WAS BOTHERING HIM BECAUSE HE LIED TO 1368 01:07:50,937 --> 01:07:54,374 THEM ABOUT HIS PH.D. AND, UM, SHE SAID THAT BY THURSDAY OF THE 1369 01:07:54,374 --> 01:07:57,610 WEEK HE WAS A BEAR HE WASN'T VERY NICE. 1370 01:07:57,610 --> 01:07:59,212 SHE SAID HE JUST DIDN'T -- HE COULDN'T HANDLE IT ANYMORE 1371 01:07:59,212 --> 01:08:01,348 BECAUSE HE WAS JUST VERY UPSET ABOUT IT 1372 01:08:01,348 --> 01:08:03,717 >> Reporter: THE STATE ALSO TOLD THE JURY THERE WAS MORE EVIDENCE 1373 01:08:03,717 --> 01:08:05,051 THAT THE MARRIAGE WAS UNDER STRESS 1374 01:08:05,051 --> 01:08:07,754 INVESTIGATORS BELIEVED JAMES WAS SLEEPING ON THE PULL-OUT COUCH 1375 01:08:07,754 --> 01:08:09,923 PLUS THEY'D FOUND A PAMPHLET THAT INCLUDED INFORMATION ON 1376 01:08:09,923 --> 01:08:12,058 MARRIAGE COUNSELING IN THE FAMILY CAR 1377 01:08:12,058 --> 01:08:17,931 YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS ALL OVER A -- YOU KNOW, PH.D. THAT HE 1378 01:08:17,931 --> 01:08:20,066 ALMOST GOT, BUT DIDN'T AND WAS STRUGGLING AT WORK 1379 01:08:20,066 --> 01:08:22,736 I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A THIN MOTIVE 1380 01:08:22,736 --> 01:08:25,372 >> A LOT OF TIMES, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHY SOMETHING 1381 01:08:25,372 --> 01:08:28,041 HAPPENS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT -- WHAT 1382 01:08:28,041 --> 01:08:30,710 HAPPENED THAT NIGHT BEFORE CATHY WENT TO BED. 1383 01:08:30,710 --> 01:08:32,946 WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE A HOME, UM, YOU KNOW, STAYS INSIDE A HOME. 1384 01:08:32,946 --> 01:08:37,117 AND WE NEVER REALLY KNOW THE -- THE TRUTH BEHIND A LOT OF 1385 01:08:37,117 --> 01:08:40,854 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES. >> Reporter: THAT WAS SOME 1386 01:08:40,854 --> 01:08:46,760 SERIOUS RAGE TO PUT AN AX INTO SOMEONE'S HEAD 1387 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,064 >> YEAH. IT'S -- IT'S ONE OF THE MOST 1388 01:08:51,064 --> 01:08:53,667 HORRIFIC THINGS I'VE EVER SEE THE DEFENDANT IS GUILTY OF 1389 01:08:53,667 --> 01:08:56,836 MURDER >> Reporter: BUT HIS DEFENSE 1390 01:08:56,836 --> 01:08:58,972 ATTORNEYS HAD BEEN LISTENING AND THEY WERE FOCUSED ON WHAT THE 1391 01:08:58,972 --> 01:09:01,408 PROSEUCTION DID NOT HAVE THE PROSECUTION SAID THAT, YOU 1392 01:09:01,408 --> 01:09:02,375 KNOW, HE SNAPPED YOU KNOW, HIS WHOLE WORLD WAS 1393 01:09:02,375 --> 01:09:04,010 FALLING APART THAT WEEK, THE WEEK OF THE MURDER 1394 01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:10,483 >> GREAT THEORY. EXCEPT THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF 1395 01:09:10,483 --> 01:09:14,421 IT >>> COMING UP -- 1396 01:09:14,421 --> 01:09:16,022 >> WAS THIS ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO YOU 1397 01:09:16,022 --> 01:09:17,590 >> YES, YES, THAT'S RIGHT. >> IT WASNT JIM KRAUSENECK WHO 1398 01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:21,327 DID IT WE THINK LARABY. 1399 01:09:21,327 --> 01:09:23,697 ED LARABY! >> THE ONE WHO'D CONFESSED 1400 01:09:39,946 --> 01:09:43,149 >> Reporter: WHILE CATHY'S FAMILY HAD BEEN IN COURT EVERY 1401 01:09:43,149 --> 01:09:46,920 DAY, SO TOO HAD JAMES KRAUSENECK'S 1402 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,055 IN THE GALLERY, RIGHT BEHIND HIM, WAS HIS CURRENT WIFE 1403 01:09:49,055 --> 01:09:52,258 SHARON AND THERE WAS ALSO SARA, THE 1404 01:09:52,258 --> 01:09:55,895 LITTLE GIRL, NOW A GROWN WOMAN IN HER 40s. 1405 01:09:55,895 --> 01:09:59,099 SHE HAD LISTENED TO THE SUSPICIONS ABOUT HER DAD AND WAS 1406 01:09:59,099 --> 01:10:01,801 STANDING BY HIM. HERE YOU ARE, IN THE SAME ROOM 1407 01:10:01,801 --> 01:10:03,336 WITH SARA -- >> YES 1408 01:10:03,336 --> 01:10:05,505 >> Reporter: -- AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. 1409 01:10:05,505 --> 01:10:10,844 DO YOU TRY TO TALK TO HER? >> SHE REFUSED TO LOOK AT US OR 1410 01:10:10,844 --> 01:10:13,113 TALK TO US SO, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T PUSH 1411 01:10:13,113 --> 01:10:15,682 IT >> Reporter: SO THEY SAT CLOSE 1412 01:10:15,682 --> 01:10:18,885 BY, BUT AN OCEAN APART, AS THE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING JAMES -- 1413 01:10:18,885 --> 01:10:22,622 MICHAEL WOLFORD AND BILL EASTON -- PREPARED TO MAKE 1414 01:10:22,622 --> 01:10:24,724 THEIR CASE TO THE JURY >> JIM KRAUSENECK DIDN'T DO IT, 1415 01:10:24,724 --> 01:10:26,393 AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE DID IT 1416 01:10:26,393 --> 01:10:29,529 >> Reporter: WOLFORD WAS HIS ATTORNEY WAY BACK IN 1982, WHEN 1417 01:10:29,529 --> 01:10:32,198 THE MURDER HAPPENED. WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SUCH AN 1418 01:10:32,198 --> 01:10:37,003 USUAL CASE THAT'S SO OLD, WHAT TONE DO YOU WANT TO SET WITH THE 1419 01:10:37,003 --> 01:10:42,375 JURY WITH YOUR OPENING ARGUMENTS? 1420 01:10:42,375 --> 01:10:46,613 WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO KNOW, RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE? 1421 01:10:46,613 --> 01:10:49,783 >> WELL, IF YOU LOOKED AT JIM'S ENTIRE LIFE, HERE HE WAS, 1422 01:10:49,783 --> 01:10:53,053 70 YEARS OF AGE, AND DESPITE THE YEARS OF INVESTIGATION, THEY 1423 01:10:53,053 --> 01:10:57,857 COULD FIND ONE DEROGATORY THING THAT OCCURRED IN HIS LIFE, AND 1424 01:10:57,857 --> 01:11:01,494 THAT IS THAT HE MISREPRESENTED TO THE EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY 1425 01:11:01,494 --> 01:11:03,763 THAT HE HAD HIS PHD, RATHER THAN A PHD CANDIDATE. 1426 01:11:03,763 --> 01:11:06,933 AND -- AND -- AND THAT WAS REALLY IT -- 1427 01:11:06,933 --> 01:11:09,069 >> Reporter: IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THIS -- THIS FAMILY 1428 01:11:09,069 --> 01:11:19,346 MAN FINDS OUT HE'S POSSIBLY GONNA GET IN TROUBLE AT WORK, 1429 01:11:19,346 --> 01:11:22,949 GOES HOME AND, YOU KNOW, KILLS HIS WIFE WITH AN AX. 1430 01:11:22,949 --> 01:11:26,152 >> YEAH, HE HAD, UH, THE WRITTEN DISSERTATION THAT HE PRESENTED 1431 01:11:26,152 --> 01:11:29,322 WAS -- WAS TURNED DOWN ON A 1432 01:11:29,322 --> 01:11:32,559 THREE-TO-TWO VOTE AND HE HAD TO REWRITE IT 1433 01:11:32,559 --> 01:11:34,694 IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT A MONTH TO DO IT. 1434 01:11:34,694 --> 01:11:36,796 AND HE JUST DIDN'T GET IT DONE AND HE MISREPRESENTED TO KODAK, 1435 01:11:36,796 --> 01:11:38,965 NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT TO SUGGEST THAT THAT LED HIM TO 1436 01:11:38,965 --> 01:11:41,101 KILL HIS WIFE MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE. 1437 01:11:41,101 --> 01:11:44,871 >> Reporter: SO THE MOTIVE WAS LACKING, ACCORDING TO THE 1438 01:11:44,871 --> 01:11:49,676 DEFENSE. AND THE REST OF THE STATE'S CASE 1439 01:11:49,676 --> 01:11:52,846 >> THERE IS NO DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT WAS THE CASE 40 YEARS AGO 1440 01:11:52,846 --> 01:11:55,582 AND THAT'S THE CASE NOW. >> Reporter: ONE OF THE THINGS 1441 01:11:55,582 --> 01:11:58,184 YOU WANTED THE JURY TO KNOW WAS THAT JAMES KRAUSENECK LOVED HIS 1442 01:11:58,184 --> 01:12:01,054 DAUGHTER AND THAT THIS MAN WAS INCAPABLE 1443 01:12:01,054 --> 01:12:06,192 OF LEAVING HER THERE WITH HER DEAD MOTHER. 1444 01:12:06,192 --> 01:12:11,164 >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE, THAT 1445 01:12:11,164 --> 01:12:12,665 IT'S INCONCEIVABLE, I THINK, FOR ANYONE, UH, TO DO THAT TO -- TO 1446 01:12:12,665 --> 01:12:15,635 THEIR KID. UH, FOR JAMES KRAUSENECK, 1447 01:12:15,635 --> 01:12:19,072 ABSOLUTELY INCONCEIVABLE AND IF IT DID HAPPEN, IF -- 1448 01:12:19,072 --> 01:12:26,079 IF -- IF -- IF BY SOME FLUKE OF NATURE HE POSSESSED THAT KIND OF 1449 01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:29,282 A SOCIOPATHY, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATED DURING 1450 01:12:29,282 --> 01:12:31,918 THE COURSE OF HIS LIFE >> Reporter: AND WHILE THE STATE 1451 01:12:31,918 --> 01:12:34,554 TOLD THE JURY THE KRAUSENECK'S MARRIAGE WAS UNDER STRESS BACK 1452 01:12:34,554 --> 01:12:37,424 IN 1982, THE DEFENSE DISAGREED THERE WAS A MARRIAGE COUNSELING, 1453 01:12:37,424 --> 01:12:39,359 YOU KNOW, PAMPHLET, HE WAS -- THEY THINK HE WASN'T SLEEPING IN 1454 01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:42,162 THE BED. >> THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF 1455 01:12:42,162 --> 01:12:45,732 THAT IT WASN'T A MARRIAGE COUNSELING 1456 01:12:45,732 --> 01:12:49,469 PAMPHLET, IT WAS A MARKETING BROCHURE THAT COVERED A NUMBER 1457 01:12:49,469 --> 01:12:54,741 OF "ILLS," YOU MIGHT SAY YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANTED TO 1458 01:12:54,741 --> 01:12:59,012 LOSE WEIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, STOP SMOKING, UH, AND MARRIAGE 1459 01:12:59,012 --> 01:13:01,181 COUNSELING >> Reporter: AND THE SHOE PRINT 1460 01:13:01,181 --> 01:13:03,817 DETECTIVES LINKED TO A PAIR OF JAMES' DOCKSIDES IN THE COUPLE'S 1461 01:13:03,817 --> 01:13:05,919 BEDROOM? PURE SPECULATION SAID THE 1462 01:13:05,919 --> 01:13:08,054 DEFENSE. >> YEARS LATER, IT'S, "WELL, 1463 01:13:08,054 --> 01:13:11,257 THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE SHOE. NO, IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN. 1464 01:13:11,257 --> 01:13:13,393 THEY CANNOT SAY THAT THAT IT -- IT'S THAT SHOE 1465 01:13:13,393 --> 01:13:16,062 THEY CAN'T EVEN COME NEAR SAYING THAT 1466 01:13:16,062 --> 01:13:20,266 >> Reporter: THEN THERE WAS THE TESTIMONY FROM THE STATE'S HIRED 1467 01:13:20,266 --> 01:13:21,401 FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST DR. MICHAEL BADEN, WHO TESTIFIED 1468 01:13:21,401 --> 01:13:24,104 THAT CATHY WAS KILLED BEFORE JAMES LEFT FOR WORK. 1469 01:13:24,104 --> 01:13:27,307 >> I'M NOT BUYING IT FOR A SECOND 1470 01:13:27,307 --> 01:13:31,077 DR. BADEN COMES IN AND SAYS, YEAH, BASED ON HIS EXPERIENCE -- 1471 01:13:31,077 --> 01:13:33,413 NOT A NEW METHODOLOGY OR ANYTHING THAT'S COME UP SINCE 1472 01:13:33,413 --> 01:13:34,781 1982 -- THAT HE HAS THE OPINION "IT MUST -- IT -- IT -- IT'S 1473 01:13:34,781 --> 01:13:40,153 6:30 BEFORE 6:30. 1474 01:13:40,153 --> 01:13:44,424 AND THAT'S IT. >> Reporter: TO COUNTER BADEN'S 1475 01:13:44,424 --> 01:13:49,229 TESTIMONY, THE DEFENSE CALLED NOT ONE BUT FOUR SEPARATE 1476 01:13:49,229 --> 01:13:54,567 MEDICAL EXAMINERS WHO UNANIMOUSLY DISAGREED WITH 1477 01:13:54,567 --> 01:13:57,203 BADEN. >> FOUR OTHER WITNESSES ALL SAY 1478 01:13:57,203 --> 01:14:01,641 YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS DEATH 1479 01:14:01,641 --> 01:14:04,144 OCCURRED AFTER 6:30. FORENSICALLY, THERE IS JUST NO 1480 01:14:04,144 --> 01:14:06,246 WAY TO DO IT >> WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THE MEDICAL 1481 01:14:06,246 --> 01:14:08,348 EXAMINER FOR MONROE COUNTY, WHO SAID BASICALLY SHE DOESN'T GIVE 1482 01:14:08,348 --> 01:14:10,050 OPINIONS ON TIME OF DEATH BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY 1483 01:14:10,050 --> 01:14:11,951 VARIABLES THAT THEY'RE UNCERTAIN. 1484 01:14:11,951 --> 01:14:14,054 >> Reporter: WAS THIS ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO YOU 1485 01:14:14,054 --> 01:14:15,321 >> YES, YES. >> Reporter: WHAT IS YOUR THEORY 1486 01:14:15,321 --> 01:14:17,457 OF -- OF WHAT HAPPENED >> WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE 1487 01:14:17,457 --> 01:14:19,092 CAN'T ANSWER THAT IT EITHER. AND THEY CAN'T ANSWER. 1488 01:14:19,092 --> 01:14:21,194 WE KNOW ONE THING, IT WASN'T JIM KRAUSENECK 1489 01:14:21,194 --> 01:14:23,329 WHO DID IT WE THINK IT'S LARABY 1490 01:14:23,329 --> 01:14:25,932 >> Reporter: ED LARABY -- THE MAN WHOSE NAME CAME UP SEVERAL 1491 01:14:25,932 --> 01:14:29,703 TIMES IN THE INVESTIGATION >> WE -- WE CAN SPECULATE AND 1492 01:14:29,703 --> 01:14:34,074 SAY, YOU KNOW, CATHLEEN WAS A VERY ATTRACTIVE YOUNG WOMAN, AND 1493 01:14:34,074 --> 01:14:37,210 AS HE DID WITH OTHER WOMEN, STALKED THEM, AND HE WAS 1494 01:14:37,210 --> 01:14:42,315 STALKING HER, AND AS SOON AS JIM KRAUSENECK LEFT AT 6:30, HE 1495 01:14:42,315 --> 01:14:45,719 WAS IN THAT HOUSE. UH, WE ARE RELYING IN PART THAT 1496 01:14:45,719 --> 01:14:52,625 HE DID CONFESS TO IT, NUMBER ONE. 1497 01:14:52,625 --> 01:14:54,728 NUMBER TWO, HE WAS A 4 1/2 MINUTE WALK FROM DEL RIO 1498 01:14:54,728 --> 01:14:57,464 DRIVE. >> Reporter: AND THE DEFENSE 1499 01:14:57,464 --> 01:15:00,133 BELIEVES LARABY COULD VERY WELL HAVE BEEN THE MAN SPOTTED BY 1500 01:15:00,133 --> 01:15:03,336 CATHY'S NEIGHBOR JOANNE THE MORNING OF THE MURDER. 1501 01:15:03,336 --> 01:15:06,539 JOANNE WAS A DEFENSE WITNESS >> I WAS, UM, JUST PASSING THE 1502 01:15:06,539 --> 01:15:15,048 KRAUSENECK HOME. THE JOGGER WAS COMING TOWARD ME, 1503 01:15:15,048 --> 01:15:18,251 AND HE WASN'T JOGGING WITH INTENSITY. 1504 01:15:18,251 --> 01:15:24,958 >> Reporter: THE DEFENSE NOTED THAT ED LARABY HAD WORN A SKI 1505 01:15:24,958 --> 01:15:26,059 MASK DURING SOME OF HIS VIOLENT CRIMES 1506 01:15:26,059 --> 01:15:31,898 >> AND HE WAS A BIG MAN. HE WAS ABOUT AT LEAST 6 FEET 1507 01:15:31,898 --> 01:15:36,636 TALL, 180, 200 POUNDS. HE WAS WEARING A GRAY SWEAT SUIT 1508 01:15:36,636 --> 01:15:41,474 AND A ROYAL BLUE, UM, SKI MASK >> WHO IS THIS MASKED GUY? 1509 01:15:41,474 --> 01:15:47,881 >> Reporter: THE DEFENSE SAID THE INVESTIGATION WAS SO SHODDY 1510 01:15:47,881 --> 01:15:51,451 BACK IN 1982 THEY JUST DROPPED LARABY AS A SUSPECT AFTER HE 1511 01:15:51,451 --> 01:15:54,320 REFUSED TO TALK WITH THE POLICE. >> THEY NEVER WENT BACK TO HIM 1512 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,956 THEY NEVER TALKED TO HIS NEIGHBORS. 1513 01:15:56,956 --> 01:15:59,592 THEY LITERALLY JUST FORGOT ABOUT ED LARABY. 1514 01:15:59,592 --> 01:16:02,262 >> Reporter: POLICE HAD A REASON TO DISCOUNT LARABY BACK THEN -- 1515 01:16:02,262 --> 01:16:04,431 HE WAS A CONVICTED RAPIST AND CATHY HAD NOT BEEN SEXUALLY 1516 01:16:04,431 --> 01:16:07,100 ASSAULTED. NOW, THE DEFENSE HAD AN 1517 01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:09,269 EXPLANATION FOR THAT BACK IN 1982 WHILE ON PAROLE, 1518 01:16:09,269 --> 01:16:11,371 LARABY WAS REQUIRED TO RECEIVE INJECTIONS OF A DRUG THAT 1519 01:16:11,371 --> 01:16:14,040 REDUCES SEX DRIVE. >> WE HAD A PSYCHIATRIST TESTIFY 1520 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,676 AT TRIAL THAT HE WAS ON CHEMICAL CASTRATION AT THE TIME 1521 01:16:16,676 --> 01:16:24,084 THE CHEMICAL CASTRATION DIDN'T- - DIDN'T ELIMINATE THE 1522 01:16:24,084 --> 01:16:26,786 RISK TO WOMEN, IT INCREASED IT BECAUSE HE WAS -- HE WAS FUELED 1523 01:16:26,786 --> 01:16:29,923 NOT BY SEX, IT WAS ANTI-WOMEN RAGE 1524 01:16:29,923 --> 01:16:31,591 WHEN HE COULDN'T RAPE HER, IT MADE IT WORSE. 1525 01:16:31,591 --> 01:16:34,294 AND THAT'S WHY HE KILLED HER IN SUCH A -- IN SUCH A WAY. 1526 01:16:34,294 --> 01:16:39,666 >> Reporter: AND OF COURSE, THERE WAS THE FACT THAT LARABY 1527 01:16:39,666 --> 01:16:42,335 HAD CONFESSED TO THE MURDER, A CONFESSION THAT WAS DISCOUNTED 1528 01:16:42,335 --> 01:16:44,437 ENTIRELY BY POLICE AND PROSECUTORS. 1529 01:16:44,437 --> 01:16:48,174 WHAT DO YOU MAKE THOUGH OF -- OF THE -- THE DISCREPANCIES WITH 1530 01:16:48,174 --> 01:16:51,945 HIS CONFESSION YOU KNOW, HE'S SAYING HE 1531 01:16:51,945 --> 01:16:55,215 SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER THERE'S NO, UH, EVIDENCE OF 1532 01:16:55,215 --> 01:16:57,884 SEXUAL ASSAULT WITH CATHY. UM, HE'S GETTING DETAILS WRONG 1533 01:16:57,884 --> 01:17:00,520 >> THE DETAILS ARE WRONG HE WAS WITHIN TEN DAYS OF HIS 1534 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,723 DEATH. HE'S DEBILITATED MENTALLY AND 1535 01:17:03,723 --> 01:17:06,393 HE'S DEBILITATED PHYSICALLY. >> AND IT'S 34 YEARS AFTER IT 1536 01:17:06,393 --> 01:17:09,396 OCCURRED >> Reporter: IN HIS CLOSING 1537 01:17:09,396 --> 01:17:12,265 ARGUMENT TO THE JURY, KRAUSENECK'S ATTORNEYS SAID THE 1538 01:17:12,265 --> 01:17:18,138 CASE WAS OVERFLOWING WITH REASONABLE DOUBT 1539 01:17:18,138 --> 01:17:23,043 >> THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE MYSTERY OF CATHY KRAUSENECK'S 1540 01:17:23,043 --> 01:17:26,680 DEATH REMAINS TO THIS DAY, AND WE SUBMIT IT HAS NOT BEEN 1541 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:32,052 RESOLVED BY THIS TRIAL >> Reporter: A 40 YEAR OLD CASE 1542 01:17:32,052 --> 01:17:36,322 NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE JURY >>> COMING UP -- 1543 01:17:36,322 --> 01:17:38,458 >> IT WAS VERY TENSE >> EVERYONE WANTED AN ANSWER TO 1544 01:17:38,458 --> 01:17:40,060 THE CASE >> FOUR DECADES LATER, WHAT 1545 01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:43,263 WOULD THE VERDICT BE >> WE'RE ALL HUDDLED 1546 01:17:43,263 --> 01:18:04,150 AND THERE'S SARA >> Reporter: CATHY KRAUSENECK 1547 01:18:04,150 --> 01:18:07,354 HAD BEEN KILLED IN ONE QUICK, EXPLOSIVE MOMENT OF RAGE 1548 01:18:07,354 --> 01:18:14,861 AND THE IMPACT HAD BEEN FELT FOR DECADES. 1549 01:18:14,861 --> 01:18:18,598 NOW, AS A JURY WENT OFF TO DECIDE THE FATE OF CATHY'S 1550 01:18:18,598 --> 01:18:21,801 HUSBAND, JAMES, ANNET WAS WELL AWARE OF WHAT WAS AT STAKE FOR 1551 01:18:21,801 --> 01:18:24,504 HER NIECE SARA, THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO HAD STOOD BY HER FATHER THIS 1552 01:18:24,504 --> 01:18:27,474 ENTIRE TIME. >> WELL, WHO ELSE WAS SHE GOING 1553 01:18:27,474 --> 01:18:29,309 TO SUPPORT HE RAISED HER. 1554 01:18:29,309 --> 01:18:35,749 SHE HAD NOBODY ELSE. >> Reporter: THIS ISN'T -- THIS 1555 01:18:35,749 --> 01:18:37,350 ISN'T YOU AGAINST HER, OR -- OR HER -- 1556 01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:38,952 >> NO. >> Reporter: IT'S JUST - 1557 01:18:38,952 --> 01:18:40,320 >> SHE'S A VICTIM. >> Reporter: -- UNCONDITIONAL 1558 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,122 LOVE >> CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY 1559 01:18:42,122 --> 01:18:44,457 >> Reporter: THE HOURS TICKED BY THAT FRIDAY, AS THE JURORS 1560 01:18:44,457 --> 01:18:45,692 DELIBERATED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. >> IT WAS VERY TENSE 1561 01:18:45,692 --> 01:18:47,060 THE NOTES THAT CAME OUT, WE COULDN'T TELL WHICH -- WHAT THEY 1562 01:18:47,060 --> 01:18:48,595 WERE THINKING, AND WHICH THEY WERE -- WHICH WAY THEY WERE 1563 01:18:48,595 --> 01:18:51,064 LEANING. >> Reporter: THE DEFENSE WAS ON 1564 01:18:51,064 --> 01:18:52,866 EDGE AS WELL >> WE WERE WORRIED BECAUSE A 1565 01:18:52,866 --> 01:18:54,734 PRESUMPTION OF GUILT THAT ATTACHES TO A HUSBAND, AND 1566 01:18:54,734 --> 01:18:59,239 EVERYONE WANTED AN ANSWER TO THE CASE 1567 01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:01,441 >> Reporter: BY DAY'S END, THE JURORS HADN'T REACHED A VERDICT. 1568 01:19:01,441 --> 01:19:05,211 THE JUDGE SENT THEM HOME FOR THE WEEKEND. 1569 01:19:05,211 --> 01:19:07,881 DELIBERATIONS RESUMED MONDAY MORNING, BUT NOT FOR LONG. 1570 01:19:07,881 --> 01:19:12,719 BY 10:30, THE JURY ANNOUNCED IT HAD A VERDICT. 1571 01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:14,854 >> I WAS CRYIN', BECAUSE THE JURY CAME IN SO QUICK. 1572 01:19:14,854 --> 01:19:16,523 >> SO, I'M STANDIN' THERE. AND I LOOK, AND WE'RE ALL 1573 01:19:16,523 --> 01:19:18,625 HUDDLED. AND THERE'S SARA 1574 01:19:18,625 --> 01:19:22,395 AND SHE'S STANDIN' THERE, CRYIN', TOO. 1575 01:19:22,395 --> 01:19:26,933 AND I LOOKED AT HER AND SAID, "NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, I WILL 1576 01:19:26,933 --> 01:19:34,140 ALWAYS LOVE YOU. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS, 1577 01:19:34,140 --> 01:19:36,276 SHE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, "THANK YOU FOR SAYIN' THAT." 1578 01:19:36,276 --> 01:19:37,877 >> MEMBERS OF THE JURY, HOW DO YOU FIND IN THE MATTER OF THE 1579 01:19:37,877 --> 01:19:40,580 PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK VERSUS JAMES KRAUSENECK? 1580 01:19:40,580 --> 01:19:46,386 >> GUILTY. >> SHE SAYS, "GUILTY." 1581 01:19:46,386 --> 01:19:51,224 AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THE LOOK ON MY FATHER'S FACE WHEN HE JUST 1582 01:19:51,224 --> 01:19:54,928 WENT -- HIS EYES GOT REAL BIG, AND HE 1583 01:19:54,928 --> 01:19:58,665 GOT A SMILE ON HIS FACE. >> Reporter: ACROSS THE ROOM, 1584 01:19:58,665 --> 01:20:00,367 SARA AND JAMES' CURRENT WIFE SHOOK THEIR HEADS IN DISBELIEF 1585 01:20:00,367 --> 01:20:03,536 >> I MEAN, NOT ONLY DID SHE LOSE HER MOTHER, SHE HAS NOW LOST HER 1586 01:20:03,536 --> 01:20:06,573 FATHER >> Reporter: JAMES, WHO HAD BEEN 1587 01:20:06,573 --> 01:20:08,408 FREE ON BAIL EVER SINCE HIS INDICTMENT, WAS HANDCUFFED AND 1588 01:20:08,408 --> 01:20:11,044 TAKEN INTO CUSTODY >> WE DID IT 1589 01:20:11,044 --> 01:20:15,882 WE DID IT. JUSTICE FOR CATHY. 1590 01:20:15,882 --> 01:20:19,686 WE DID IT. >> WE GOT OUR JUSTICE FOR 1591 01:20:19,686 --> 01:20:22,322 40 YEARS BUT THANK GOD WE GOT IT. 1592 01:20:22,322 --> 01:20:27,727 >> Reporter: THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS PROMISED TO FIGHT BACK 1593 01:20:27,727 --> 01:20:32,532 WITH AN APPEAL >> WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO 1594 01:20:32,532 --> 01:20:36,903 JUSTIFICATION FOR WAITING 37 YEARS FOR THIS INDICTMENT 1595 01:20:36,903 --> 01:20:40,240 WE THINK THE LAW IS ON OUR SIDE, AND WE'RE CONFIDENT WE ARE GOING 1596 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,208 TO HAVE A REVERSAL OF THIS CONVICTION 1597 01:20:42,208 --> 01:20:50,283 >> Reporter: SIX WEEKS LATER, JAMES KRAUSENECK WAS BACK IN 1598 01:20:50,283 --> 01:20:52,419 COURT FOR HIS SENTENCING SO WAS DAUGHTER, SARA, WHO'D 1599 01:20:52,419 --> 01:20:55,121 LOST HER MOTHER SO LONG AGO. AND NOW, ALL THESE YEARS LATER, 1600 01:20:55,121 --> 01:20:57,257 WAS LOSING HER FATHER. >> MY MOTHER'S KILLER GOT AWAY 1601 01:20:57,257 --> 01:21:01,561 WITH HER MURDER, AND MY FATHER'S LIFE HAS BEEN TAKEN BY A FAILED 1602 01:21:01,561 --> 01:21:03,730 JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT CONVICTED HIM OF A CRIME HE DID NOT 1603 01:21:03,730 --> 01:21:06,399 COMMIT IT IS ABSOLUTELY INCONCEIVABLE 1604 01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:09,102 THAT A PERSON CAPABLE OF THE HEINOUS BRUTALITY EXHIBITED IN 1605 01:21:09,102 --> 01:21:12,305 MY MOTHER'S MURDER WOULD BE CAPABLE OF SUPPRESSING THAT 1606 01:21:12,305 --> 01:21:16,576 ASPECT OF THEIR PERSONALITY ENTIRELY AND NOT LETTING IT LEAK 1607 01:21:16,576 --> 01:21:20,914 OUT OVER TIME. MY FATHER IS NOT VIOLENT, ANGRY, 1608 01:21:20,914 --> 01:21:25,418 ABUSIVE, CONTROLLING, AFRAID OF FAILURE, EGO DRIVEN OR ANYTHING 1609 01:21:25,418 --> 01:21:27,921 SIMILAR. THE JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS FAILED MY 1610 01:21:27,921 --> 01:21:30,590 PARENTS, MYSELF, AND BOTH SIDES OF MY FAMILY 1611 01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:34,861 IT HAS ALSO FAILED THIS COMMUNITY. 1612 01:21:34,861 --> 01:21:38,098 >> Reporter: CATHY'S 95-YEAR-OLD FATHER GOT UP NEXT, AND SEEMED 1613 01:21:38,098 --> 01:21:41,267 TO RESPOND TO WHAT SARA HAD JUST SAID 1614 01:21:41,267 --> 01:21:44,471 >> YOU BRAINWASHED MY GRANDDAUGHTER FOR 40 YEARS, 1615 01:21:44,471 --> 01:21:48,208 WE'VE LOST HER LOVE. WE STILL LOVE YOU, SARA, AND 1616 01:21:48,208 --> 01:21:51,478 ALWAYS WILL. AND, JIM, I HOPE YOU LIVE TO BE 1617 01:21:51,478 --> 01:21:54,147 100-YEARS-OLD AND ENJOY YOUR NEW HOME 1618 01:21:54,147 --> 01:21:57,384 AND THEN IT WAS JAMES KRAUSENECK'S TURN, 1619 01:21:57,384 --> 01:22:01,788 MAINTAINING HIS INNOCENCE TO THE END. 1620 01:22:01,788 --> 01:22:07,060 >> I DID NOT MURDER CATHY. I LOVED CATHY WITH ALL MY HEART 1621 01:22:07,060 --> 01:22:12,899 AND WITH ALL MY SOUL I CONTRIBUTE -- CONTINUE TO BE 1622 01:22:12,899 --> 01:22:17,737 HAUNTED AT WHY AND WHO SOMEONE WOULD HAVE MURDERED SUCH A 1623 01:22:17,737 --> 01:22:25,078 BEAUTIFUL PERSON >> Reporter: WITH THAT, THE 1624 01:22:25,078 --> 01:22:30,383 JUDGE SENTENCED HIM TO THE MAXIMUM TIME IN PRISON, 25 YEARS 1625 01:22:30,383 --> 01:22:31,851 TO LIFE. AS IT HAD BEEN FROM THE 1626 01:22:31,851 --> 01:22:34,120 BEGINNING, THOSE CLOSE TO CATHY WERE STILL THINKING ABOUT SARA, 1627 01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,157 THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WAITED ALONE IN A HOUSE WITH HER DOLLS AND 1628 01:22:37,157 --> 01:22:39,659 HER MURDERED MOTHER, A MOTHER SHE NEVER REALLY HAD THE CHANCE 1629 01:22:39,659 --> 01:22:41,828 TO KNOW. WHAT DO YOU WANT SARA TO KNOW 1630 01:22:41,828 --> 01:22:45,532 ABOUT HER MOM? >> I JUST WANT SARA TO KNOW THAT 1631 01:22:45,532 --> 01:22:48,568 HER MOTHER ADORED HER. SARA, SHE LOVED YOU. 1632 01:22:48,568 --> 01:22:55,608 I WANT SARA TO KNOW THAT SHE ADORED YOU, AND SHE WILL 1633 01:22:55,608 --> 01:22:59,145 ALWAYS BE WITH YOU >> SARA, IF YOU'RE WATCHIN', I 1634 01:22:59,145 --> 01:23:02,882 LOVE YOU I'LL ALWAYS LOVE YOU 1635 01:23:02,882 --> 01:23:05,618 AND, UM, JUST PLEASE, PLEASE CALL ME. 1636 01:23:05,618 --> 01:23:10,924 AND WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER 1637 01:23:10,924 --> 01:23:15,195 >> Reporter: GET THROUGH THE LOSS AND THE GRIEF THAT NEVER 1638 01:23:15,195 --> 01:23:19,265 GOES AWAY, EVEN AFTER SO MUCH TIME 1639 01:23:19,265 --> 01:23:27,407 >> I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO REMEMBER CATHY AS THE LOVING, 1640 01:23:27,407 --> 01:23:29,075 BEAUTIFUL, CARING PERSON THAT SHE WAS.