1 00:00:12,112 --> 00:00:12,746 >> YOU GOT FOUR LIVES, FOUR 2 00:00:12,746 --> 00:00:20,820 BEAUTIFUL, YOUNG LIVES MY DAUGHTER LITERALLY FOUGHT FOR 3 00:00:20,820 --> 00:00:22,389 THE VERY LAST MOMENT >> KAYLEE AND MADDIE WERE DOING 4 00:00:22,389 --> 00:00:27,927 EVERYTHING RIGHT THAT NIGHT. THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS ABOUT 5 00:00:27,927 --> 00:00:31,898 TO HAPPEN. >> IT'S AMERICA'S MOST 6 00:00:31,898 --> 00:00:32,999 HEARTBREAKING MYSTERY. >> Reporter: FOUR STUDENTS IN 7 00:00:32,999 --> 00:00:36,202 THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT STABBED TO DEATH 8 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:38,738 >> MY HEART SANK HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? 9 00:00:38,738 --> 00:00:40,840 >> NOW EXCLUSIVE NEW INFORMATION. 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:47,681 >> I TEXTED XANA, "I LOVE YOU. >> A FRIEND SPEAKS OUT FOR THE 11 00:00:47,681 --> 00:00:50,350 VERY FIRST TIME. >> THE FIRST 48 HOURS WERE LIKE 12 00:00:50,350 --> 00:00:56,723 A MOVIE. >> REVEALING NEW DETAILS ABOUT 13 00:00:56,723 --> 00:00:57,791 THE INVESTIGATION. >> AMAZING 14 00:00:57,791 --> 00:00:58,858 THE INCREDIBLE STUFF THEY DID WITH THE CAR AND THE 15 00:00:58,858 --> 00:01:08,902 ELECTRONICS. >> THE DNA ON THE KNIFE 16 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:09,936 SHEATH -- THAT IS EXTREMELY STRONG EVIDENCE. 17 00:01:09,936 --> 00:01:11,204 >> THE MANHUNT >> I WENT, "WHAT 18 00:01:11,204 --> 00:01:12,105 THE IDAHO MURDER SUSPECT IN PENNSYLVANIA?" 19 00:01:12,105 --> 00:01:13,106 >> YOU CANNOT LET THIS GUY OUT OF EYESIGHT. 20 00:01:13,106 --> 00:01:14,674 >> THEY ACTUALLY JUST BARGED IN. >> THE SUSPECT 21 00:01:14,674 --> 00:01:16,276 >> I FEEL LIKE I WITNESSED A SIDE OF BRYAN THAT OTHER PEOPLE 22 00:01:16,276 --> 00:01:20,213 MIGHT NOT HAVE >> THIS IS SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO 23 00:01:20,213 --> 00:01:23,149 SHOW US THAT HE HAS POWER. >> Reporter: WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO 24 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:25,251 SIT IN THAT ROOM AND WATCH HIM >> HE LOOKED SCARED, AS HE 25 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:28,955 SHOULD BE. >> WE'RE READY 26 00:01:28,955 --> 00:01:30,090 WE'RE READY FOR THIS CASE. >> TONIGHT WE TAKE YOU INSIDE 27 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:32,125 THE CASE THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS WATCHING 28 00:01:32,125 --> 00:01:46,940 I'M LESTER HOLT, AND THIS IS "DATELINE. 29 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:57,017 HERE'S KEITH MORRISON WITH "KILLINGS IN A COLLEGE TOWN. 30 00:01:57,017 --> 00:02:03,323 >> Reporter: IT WAS SUNDAY AND ALL AROUND WAS A DAMP, GREY 31 00:02:03,323 --> 00:02:05,425 GLOOM. AND THE HUSH THAT HAD FINALLY 32 00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:10,797 SETTLED ON STUDENT HOUSING AT 3:00 A.M. OR 4:00 LINGERED ALL 33 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:14,401 MORNING LONG THE MORNING AFTER THE NIGHT BEFORE 34 00:02:14,401 --> 00:02:20,740 AFTER THE BIG HOMETOWN FOOTBALL GAME AND THE NOISY PARTIES THAT 35 00:02:20,740 --> 00:02:22,308 FOLLOWED >> WE'D GONE TO A FRATERNITY 36 00:02:22,308 --> 00:02:27,113 UNTIL, LIKE, PRETTY LATE THAT NIGHT. 37 00:02:27,113 --> 00:02:34,487 >> Reporter: IN MOSCOW, HOME OF THE UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO AND THE 38 00:02:34,487 --> 00:02:37,657 FRATERNITIES AND SORORITIES THAT WERE A SECOND FAMILY TO A 39 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:39,259 SOPHOMORE NAMED MARTHA >> I GOT UP PROBABLY AROUND 40 00:02:39,259 --> 00:02:41,895 10:45, 11:00, GOT READY TO GO DO SOME HOMEWORK. 41 00:02:41,895 --> 00:02:46,766 >> Reporter: SO THAT NOVEMBER 13th, MARTHA DROVE THE 42 00:02:46,766 --> 00:02:48,001 FEW BLOCKS OVER TO THE SIGMA CHI FRATERNITY WHERE SHE AND SOME 43 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:50,870 FRIENDS PLANNED TO WORK TOGETHER 44 00:02:50,870 --> 00:02:53,106 WHAT WAS THIS PROJECT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WORKING ON 45 00:02:53,106 --> 00:02:56,142 >> IT WAS JUST A GROUP PROJECT FOR ONE OF OUR CLASSES 46 00:02:56,142 --> 00:03:02,048 AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET AT 12:30 AND WERE WAITING FOR ONE 47 00:03:02,048 --> 00:03:04,651 OTHER PERSON, AND IT WAS HUNTER CHAPIN. 48 00:03:04,651 --> 00:03:08,888 >> Reporter: HUNTER WAS LATE HE WAS ONE OF THE CHAPIN 49 00:03:08,888 --> 00:03:10,457 TRIPLETS, THE INSTANTLY RECOGNIZABLE SIBLINGS WHO ALL 50 00:03:10,457 --> 00:03:16,262 ATTENDED "U" OF "I." EVERYONE SEEMED TO KNOW HUNTER 51 00:03:16,262 --> 00:03:17,831 AND MAIZIE AND ETHAN >> ALL THREE ARE IN GREEK LIFE, 52 00:03:17,831 --> 00:03:22,068 SO WE GOT TO KNOW ALL OF THEM PRETTY WELL. 53 00:03:22,068 --> 00:03:25,839 IT WAS A FAMILY AFFAIR >> Reporter: BUT MARTHA WAITED 54 00:03:25,839 --> 00:03:30,076 NO SIGN OF HUNTER. GETTING CLOSER TO 1:00 NOW 55 00:03:30,076 --> 00:03:34,247 AND ACROSS TOWN, SENIOR KATARINA HOCKEMA WAS WAKING UP 56 00:03:34,247 --> 00:03:38,585 TO SOME NEWS >> I SAW A REGULAR TEXT MESSAGE 57 00:03:38,585 --> 00:03:41,121 NOTIFICATION FROM THE MOSCOW POLICE DEPARTMENT. 58 00:03:41,121 --> 00:03:45,925 >> Reporter: IT TOOK A MINUTE TO REGISTER 59 00:03:45,925 --> 00:03:50,630 THE TEXT WAS SOMETHING NAMED FOR THE COLLEGE MASCOT, A VANDAL 60 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:53,333 ALERT. >> MOSCOW PD INVESTIGATING A 61 00:03:53,333 --> 00:03:55,402 HOMICIDE ON KING ROAD NEAR CAMPUS 62 00:03:55,402 --> 00:03:59,105 STAY AWAY FROM THE AREA AND SHELTER IN PLACE 63 00:03:59,105 --> 00:04:00,740 >> Reporter: BACK AT SIGMA CHI, MARTHA'S GROUP DECIDED TO BE 64 00:04:00,740 --> 00:04:05,445 PROACTIVE WITH THEIR FRIEND HUNTER CHAPIN. 65 00:04:05,445 --> 00:04:10,917 >> WE CALLED HIM AND WE SAID, "HEY, ARE YOU COMING?" 66 00:04:10,917 --> 00:04:13,920 AND HE SAID, "NO, I THINK ETHAN'S DEAD." 67 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,158 >> Reporter: HUNTER SAYS, "I THINK ETHAN'S DEAD." 68 00:04:18,158 --> 00:04:19,726 WHAT WAS THAT LIKE TO HEAR THAT? >> IT WAS SO BEYOND. 69 00:04:19,726 --> 00:04:23,430 I HONESTLY DIDN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT 70 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:26,166 >> Reporter: MARTHA'S THOUGHTS IMMEDIATELY TURNED TO ETHAN'S 71 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:28,201 GIRLFRIEND, XANA KERNODLE. >> I TEXTED XANA AND SAID, "I 72 00:04:28,201 --> 00:04:30,337 LOVE YOU." I DIDN'T WANT TO CALL HER 73 00:04:30,337 --> 00:04:34,974 BECAUSE I IMAGINED THAT WHATEVER WAS GOING ON WAS PROBABLY FAIRLY 74 00:04:34,974 --> 00:04:43,183 OVERWHELMING AND THEN WE WALKED OUT INTO THE 75 00:04:43,183 --> 00:04:44,150 COURTYARD. AND SOMEBODY SAID THAT XANA WAS 76 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:46,186 DEAD AND AGAIN, IT DIDN'T REALLY EVEN 77 00:04:46,186 --> 00:04:49,356 CHECK OUT WITH ME. >> Reporter: WHAT WAS GOING ON 78 00:04:49,356 --> 00:04:53,560 THE HOUSE XANA SHARED WITH HER ROOMMATES ON KING ROAD WAS 79 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,796 CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM SIGMA CHI WHAT WAS GOING ON OVER THERE 80 00:04:56,796 --> 00:05:01,568 >> JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY IN SHOCK 81 00:05:01,568 --> 00:05:03,603 AND SO WE DIDN'T KNOW IF -- IF IT WAS A CARBON MONOXIDE THING 82 00:05:03,603 --> 00:05:09,409 WE DIDN'T KNOW AND SO WE ALL BASICALLY STOOD IN 83 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:13,413 A BIG, QUIET CIRCLE AND WATCHED ALL THE BEGINNING STUFF HAPPEN 84 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:15,749 >> Reporter: THE "BEGINNING STUFF" WAS THIS. 85 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:19,519 JUST BEFORE NOON, AUTHORITIES RESPONDED TO A 911 CALLER WHO 86 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:22,589 HAD REPORTED AN UNCONSCIOUS PERSON AT THE HOME 87 00:05:22,589 --> 00:05:27,861 STRANGE, GIVEN WHAT HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED 88 00:05:27,861 --> 00:05:31,564 BUT THEN THE MERE THOUGHT OF ANYTHING TERRIBLE HAPPENING ON 89 00:05:31,564 --> 00:05:39,472 KING ROAD? WELL, UNTHINKABLE. 90 00:05:39,472 --> 00:05:42,108 AND THAT AFTERNOON, 95 MILES NORTH OF MOSCOW, IN THE TOWN OF 91 00:05:42,108 --> 00:05:47,914 RATHDRUM, IDAHO, THE PARENTS OF ANOTHER UNIVERSITY STUDENT, 92 00:05:47,914 --> 00:05:50,150 KAYLEE GONCALVES, STEVE AND KRISTI, WERE WATCHING A FOOTBALL 93 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:51,618 GAME >> MY NIECE CALLED ME. 94 00:05:51,618 --> 00:05:55,321 AND SHE WAS VERY UPSET AND CRYING 95 00:05:55,321 --> 00:05:56,956 AND SHE SAID, "SOMETHING BAD HAS HAPPENED TO KAYLEE." 96 00:05:56,956 --> 00:06:02,729 AND I SAID, "WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?" 97 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:05,365 AND SHE SAID, "I HAVE A FRIEND DOWN THERE, AND THEY CALLED ME 98 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:07,033 AND TOLD ME THAT KAYLEE GONCALVES WAS KILLED, HAD 99 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:08,134 BEEN KILLED. AND I IMMEDIATELY STARTED TRYING 100 00:06:08,134 --> 00:06:10,637 TO CALL KAYLEE AND HER PHONE WAS GOING STRAIGHT 101 00:06:10,637 --> 00:06:14,341 TO VOICEMAIL SO THEN I STARTED CALLING 102 00:06:14,341 --> 00:06:18,578 MADDIE >> Reporter: MADDIE MOGEN, 103 00:06:18,578 --> 00:06:20,146 KAYLEE'S LONGTIME BEST FRIEND. >> HER PHONE WOULD RING AND RING 104 00:06:20,146 --> 00:06:22,282 AND RING AND RING AND RING AND THEN I SAID, "OKAY, 105 00:06:22,282 --> 00:06:25,952 EVERYBODY NEEDS TO, LIKE, RELAX BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO 106 00:06:25,952 --> 00:06:30,190 KAYLEE LAST NIGHT, MADDIE WOULD'VE CALLED ME." 107 00:06:30,190 --> 00:06:35,462 >> Reporter: KAYLEE HAD RECENTLY MOVED OUT OF THE HOUSE AT 108 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:37,564 1122 KING ROAD, BUT HAD RETURNED TO SPEND THE NIGHT WITH MADDIE 109 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:43,937 BEFORE LONG, THERE WAS A KNOCK AT THE GONCALVES' DOOR 110 00:06:43,937 --> 00:06:49,209 >> AND MY SON SAID, "THE SHERIFF'S HERE." 111 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:54,981 AND I ACTUALLY TOOK OFF TO MY BEDROOM, AND THE REST OF THE 112 00:06:54,981 --> 00:06:56,082 FAMILY ANSWERED THE DOOR >> Reporter: IT WAS TRUE 113 00:06:56,082 --> 00:06:58,685 SHE WAS DEAD THEY WERE BOTH DEAD. 114 00:06:58,685 --> 00:07:02,922 >> MY KNEES WERE SHAKING I MEAN, MY WHOLE BODY WAS 115 00:07:02,922 --> 00:07:06,159 SHAKING. >> THAT'S WHEN YOU LOSE HOPE 116 00:07:06,159 --> 00:07:09,796 Y'KNOW, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HOPE, AND THEN IT SMACKS YOU 117 00:07:09,796 --> 00:07:12,432 THAT THERE IS NO HOPE. >> Reporter: YEAH. 118 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:17,704 WOULDN'T WISH IT ON YOUR WORST ENEMY. 119 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:18,938 >> NO. >> Reporter: AND THEN THE NEWS 120 00:07:18,938 --> 00:07:23,076 WENT EVERYWHERE. FOUR STUDENTS HAD BEEN MURDERED 121 00:07:23,076 --> 00:07:27,747 IN THIS HOME JUST BLOCKS FROM CAMPUS 122 00:07:27,747 --> 00:07:29,849 21-YEAR-OLD MADISON MOGEN, A SENIOR FROM COEUR D'ALENE, 123 00:07:29,849 --> 00:07:34,587 IDAHO. KAYLEE GONCALVES, ALSO 21. 124 00:07:34,587 --> 00:07:37,223 ETHAN CHAPIN, THE 20 YEAR OLD FRESHMEN FROM CONWAY, 125 00:07:37,223 --> 00:07:41,961 WASHINGTON AND ETHAN'S GIRLFRIEND, 126 00:07:41,961 --> 00:07:47,767 20-YEAR-OLD JUNIOR XANA KERNODLE OF AVONDALE, ARIZONA 127 00:07:47,767 --> 00:07:49,869 INCREDIBLY, TWO ROOMMATES SURVIVED -- BETHANY FUNKE AND 128 00:07:49,869 --> 00:07:55,141 DYLAN MORTENSEN. FOR REASONS THAT WERE UNCLEAR, 129 00:07:55,141 --> 00:08:01,014 THEY WERE NOT HURT POLICE ALSO ANNOUNCED THERE WAS 130 00:08:01,014 --> 00:08:04,184 NO ONGOING COMMUNITY RISK. REPORTER JOHN WEBB WORKS AT OUR 131 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:06,186 NBC AFFILIATE, KHQ >> I THINK IT WAS UNEASY FOR THE 132 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:10,423 PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT FOUR PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THEIR TOWN. 133 00:08:10,423 --> 00:08:12,792 AND THEN TO HEAR THAT THERE'S NO THREAT TO THE PUBLIC, BUT NOT BE 134 00:08:12,792 --> 00:08:16,730 DESCRIBED WHY THERE'S NO THREAT TO THE PUBLIC. 135 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:18,865 >> Reporter: THAT NIGHT, STUDENTS RECEIVED MULTIPLE 136 00:08:18,865 --> 00:08:22,202 UPDATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY. BUT NONE OF THEM EASED ANY MINDS 137 00:08:22,202 --> 00:08:27,273 OR MADE ANYONE FEEL SAFER. AND CLASSES WERE CANCELED FOR 138 00:08:27,273 --> 00:08:31,044 THE FOLLOWING DAY. MARTHA RETURNED TO HER SORORITY 139 00:08:31,044 --> 00:08:37,283 HOUSE, AND ALONG WITH DOZENS OF YOUNG WOMEN, GATHERED ALL THEIR 140 00:08:37,283 --> 00:08:41,054 BEDS IN ONE BIG ROOM >> AND JUST CRIED, CRIED, CRIED. 141 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:47,827 AND AT THIS POINT, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS 142 00:08:47,827 --> 00:08:49,062 LIKE, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING. >> Reporter: EXCEPT THAT THEIR 143 00:08:49,062 --> 00:08:52,065 INNOCENT COLLEGE TOWN, SWEET LITTLE MOSCOW, IDAHO, WASN'T THE 144 00:08:52,065 --> 00:08:58,872 SAME ANYMORE IT WAS GOING TO BE FAMOUS, WORLD 145 00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:04,144 FAMOUS, IN THE WORST IMAGINABLE WAY. 146 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:06,212 FOUR FRIENDS DEAD, INCLUDING ONE WHO WASN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE 147 00:09:26,099 --> 00:09:32,439 >> Reporter: MORNING CAME. MONDAY MORNING, THE DAY AFTER. 148 00:09:32,439 --> 00:09:35,075 AND ALONG WITH IT CONFUSION, ANXIETY, ANGER, AND UNMEASURABLE 149 00:09:35,075 --> 00:09:36,643 GRIEF. >> YOU JUST FEEL SICK. 150 00:09:36,643 --> 00:09:39,279 >> UH, YEAH, I WENT INTO COMPLETE SHOCK 151 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:43,483 ABSOLUTE, COMPLETE SHOCK I -- I -- I COULDN'T CRY 152 00:09:43,483 --> 00:09:45,618 I COULDN'T THINK >> Reporter: THE GONCALVES 153 00:09:45,618 --> 00:09:48,788 FAMILY'S DAUGHTER KAYLEE, ALONG WITH HER BEST FRIEND 154 00:09:48,788 --> 00:09:52,459 MADDIE MOGEN, ROOMMATE XANA KERNODLE, AND XANA'S 155 00:09:52,459 --> 00:09:55,762 BOYFRIEND ETHAN CHAPIN, HAD ALL BEEN FOUND DEAD IN THIS HOUSE ON 156 00:09:55,762 --> 00:10:00,400 KING ROAD JUST A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM CAMPUS 157 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:06,039 KILLED JUST HOURS, REALLY, AFTER THIS -- ALL FOUR DECKED OUT IN 158 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:12,512 GAME DAY GEAR BEFORE THAT VANDAL FOOTBALL GAME. 159 00:10:12,512 --> 00:10:15,148 WHAT'S IT LIKE SEEING ALL THIS HAPPEN IN YOUR HOMETOWN, IN THAT 160 00:10:15,148 --> 00:10:17,250 PLACE YOU LOVE SO MUCH >> IT BREAKS MY HEART. 161 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:18,852 >> Reporter: HAYLEY GUENTHNER IS A REPORTER FOR KHQ, OUR LOCAL 162 00:10:18,852 --> 00:10:22,555 NBC AFFILIATE. SHE GREW UP IN MOSCOW, ATTENDED 163 00:10:22,555 --> 00:10:24,724 THE UNIVERSITY, AND ONCE LIVED JUST OFF KING, A BELOVED STRIP 164 00:10:24,724 --> 00:10:32,599 OF HOMES WHERE SORORITY AND FRATERNITY MEMBERS OFTEN MOVED 165 00:10:32,599 --> 00:10:36,269 AT SCHOOL. >> I LIVED THE EXACT LIFE THAT 166 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:43,143 THEY WERE LIVING AND SO IT JUST -- IT REALLY HIT 167 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:45,278 CLOSE TO HOME. LIKE, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN? 168 00:10:45,278 --> 00:10:49,015 >> Reporter: NO ONE, IT SEEMED, HAD A CLUE ABOUT THAT, OR WHAT 169 00:10:49,015 --> 00:10:52,619 TO THINK OR FEEL AFTER THE CITY'S FIRST HOMICIDE IN SEVEN 170 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:56,856 YEARS. MOSCOW POLICE WERE CLEARLY 171 00:10:56,856 --> 00:11:01,094 WORKING THE CRIME SCENE. BUT PUBLICLY WERE SAYING NOT A 172 00:11:01,094 --> 00:11:04,364 WORD ABOUT WHAT THEY'D FOUND INSIDE, ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED 173 00:11:04,364 --> 00:11:09,602 OR WHO MIGHT HAVE DONE IT. SO LOCAL NBC REPORTER JOHN WEBB 174 00:11:09,602 --> 00:11:10,737 WENT TO CITY HALL TO SEE MOSCOW'S MAYOR AND ASK HIM 175 00:11:10,737 --> 00:11:11,638 >> HE TOLD US IT WAS A CRIME OF PASSION. 176 00:11:11,638 --> 00:11:17,444 AND SO WE ASKED, "HOW DID YOU >> Reporter: THIS WAS THE 177 00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:19,546 MAYOR'S ANSWER.. >> BECAUSE THERE WAS NO 178 00:11:19,546 --> 00:11:23,249 BURGLARY THERE WAS NO ROBBERY 179 00:11:23,249 --> 00:11:30,123 THERE WAS NO HOSTAGE TAKEN >> AND SO HE BELIEVED IT WAS A 180 00:11:30,123 --> 00:11:34,361 CRIME OF PASSION >> Reporter: THAT, ALONG WITH AN 181 00:11:34,361 --> 00:11:36,563 EARLIER POLICE COMMENT THAT THERE WAS NO ONGOING THREAT TO 182 00:11:36,563 --> 00:11:37,964 THE COMMUNITY, LED VETERAN IDAHO MAJOR CASE INVESTIGATORS LIKE 183 00:11:37,964 --> 00:11:39,099 BRAD MASKELL TO SOME CONCLUSIONS. 184 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:42,869 MASKELL WAS NOT WORKING THE CASE BUT KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON IT. 185 00:11:42,869 --> 00:11:49,642 >> MY INITIAL THOUGHTS WERE, "OKAY, THEN IT'S VERY LIKELY A 186 00:11:49,642 --> 00:11:50,810 MURDER- SUICIDE TYPE INCIDENT. POSSIBLY THEY'RE COMFORTABLE 187 00:11:50,810 --> 00:11:58,118 SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE SUSPECT IS RIGHT 188 00:11:58,118 --> 00:11:59,152 THERE IN THE ROOM WITH THE REST OF THE VICTIMS 189 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:02,322 >> Reporter: BUT NO, IT WASN'T THAT 190 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:04,924 IN FACT, THE GRUESOME TRUTH WAS ALREADY BEING WHISPERED AROUND 191 00:12:04,924 --> 00:12:09,162 TOWN THE FOUR HAD BEEN STABBED TO 192 00:12:09,162 --> 00:12:10,296 DEATH. KAYLEE AND MADDIE, TOGETHER IN 193 00:12:10,296 --> 00:12:14,434 ONE BED ON THE HOME'S THIRD FLOOR. 194 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:18,638 ETHAN AND XANA ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN XANA'S BEDROOM WHERE 195 00:12:18,638 --> 00:12:19,806 THEY WERE STAYING. A SCENE SO TROUBLING SOME FIRST 196 00:12:19,806 --> 00:12:23,910 RESPONDERS WERE KEPT OUT ALTOGETHER 197 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:27,614 >> MY FRIEND HAS A FRIEND, KNEW AN EMT 198 00:12:27,614 --> 00:12:29,182 AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO GO IN. 199 00:12:29,182 --> 00:12:30,784 >> Reporter: BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A VIOLENT SCENE? 200 00:12:30,784 --> 00:12:33,953 >> YEAH, SOMEBODY HAD DONE SOMETHING REALLY BAD 201 00:12:33,953 --> 00:12:35,522 >> Reporter: THIS WAS A VERY VIOLENT CRIME. 202 00:12:35,522 --> 00:12:40,827 HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? >> NOT EASILY. 203 00:12:40,827 --> 00:12:42,295 I CANNOT ESCAPE IT AND HE -- "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 204 00:12:42,295 --> 00:12:42,996 STOP, STOP, STOP DON'T GO THERE 205 00:12:42,996 --> 00:12:48,201 WHY ARE YOU GOIN' THERE? >> WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR 206 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:52,972 27 YEARS, SO WE HAVE TO HELP THE OTHER PARTNER FIGURE OUT A WAY 207 00:12:52,972 --> 00:12:54,007 TO NOT CRUSH THEMSELVES. >> Reporter: PROBABLY THE 208 00:12:54,007 --> 00:12:57,711 HARDEST THING A MARRIED COUPLE CAN DO 209 00:12:57,711 --> 00:12:59,813 >> YEAH, IT BREAKS A LOT APART >> Reporter: AND COMMUNITIES 210 00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:05,085 TOO. IN FACT, ONCE WORD GOT AROUND, 211 00:13:05,085 --> 00:13:11,958 AND WITH CLASSES CANCELED, WELL, LIFE IN THIS LIVELY TOWN WAS 212 00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:14,627 STILLED. AND THOSE WHO LIVED ALONG ON 213 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:16,196 KING ROAD EITHER HOLED UP AT HOME OR JUST LEFT. 214 00:13:16,196 --> 00:13:20,667 >> I'VE NEVER BEEN ON THAT ROAD AND IT BE SO EERILY QUIET. 215 00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:24,671 >> SOME PEOPLE SOBBED AND JUST, LIKE, UNCONTROLLABLY CRIED 216 00:13:24,671 --> 00:13:26,740 SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. SOME PEOPLE WOULDN'T TALK, 217 00:13:26,740 --> 00:13:34,114 REALLY SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T EAT 218 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:35,181 >> Reporter: THE DEAD HAD BEEN LIKE FAMILY. 219 00:13:35,181 --> 00:13:40,453 THE ONLY MALE VICTIM, ETHAN CHAPIN, GREW UP NORTH OF 220 00:13:40,453 --> 00:13:45,725 SEATTLE. FIRST BORN OF THE CHAPIN 221 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:51,097 TRIPLETS, ETHAN GREW TALL AND ESPECIALLY LOVED BASKETBALL. 222 00:13:51,097 --> 00:13:52,599 >> ETHAN WAS JUST INCREDIBLE AND HE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE GENTLE 223 00:13:52,599 --> 00:13:53,800 GIANT THAT WAS JUST SWEET AND ALWAYS THE PERSON -- WHEN YOU 224 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,769 WALKED INTO A ROOM, HE'D ALWAYS KINDA PERK UP AND BE LIKE, "OH, 225 00:13:55,769 --> 00:13:57,337 MY GOSH," LIKE, "YOU'RE HERE." >> Reporter: ETHAN AND HIS 226 00:13:57,337 --> 00:13:59,439 SIBLINGS ALL SPENT SUMMERS IN HIGH SCHOOL WORKING AT A RESORT 227 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:04,210 IN NORTH IDAHO SO IT MADE SENSE ETHAN'S MAJOR 228 00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:13,687 WAS RECREATION, SPORT, TOURISM ETHAN'S GIRLFRIEND XANA KERNODLE 229 00:14:13,687 --> 00:14:15,288 LIVED IN IDAHO, THEN ARIZONA SHE WAS A PROMISING YOUNG 230 00:14:15,288 --> 00:14:18,958 GYMNAST AND PLAYED SEVERAL SPORTS IN HIGH SCHOOL. 231 00:14:18,958 --> 00:14:21,061 SHE HAD MAJORED IN MARKETING >> XANA WAS JUST ONE OF THE 232 00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:23,229 COOLEST PEOPLE ON GREEK ROW. AND EVERYBODY KNEW XANA. 233 00:14:23,229 --> 00:14:24,397 LIKE, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHO YOU WERE, YOU KNEW WHO XANA WAS 234 00:14:24,397 --> 00:14:29,636 'CAUSE SHE WAS JUST SO AWESOME AND A FRIEND TO EVERYONE 235 00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:32,138 >> Reporter: XANA ALSO WORKED PART TIME AT THE MAD GREEK 236 00:14:32,138 --> 00:14:36,943 RESTAURANT IN DOWNTOWN MOSCOW, AS DID HER ROOMMATE, 237 00:14:36,943 --> 00:14:40,613 MADDIE MOGEN >> MADDIE WAS OUR FAMILY AS 238 00:14:40,613 --> 00:14:41,715 WELL >> Reporter: KAYLEE GONCALVES' 239 00:14:41,715 --> 00:14:44,818 PARENTS CAN'T TALK ABOUT THEIR OWN DAUGHTER WITHOUT TALKING 240 00:14:44,818 --> 00:14:47,587 ABOUT MADDIE >> THESE GIRLS WERE BEST FRIENDS 241 00:14:47,587 --> 00:14:51,691 SINCE SIXTH GRADE. LIKE, INSEPARABLE. 242 00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:52,759 >> THEY WERE IN -- LIVED IN A HOUSE TOGETHER 243 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:56,963 THEY WERE TRUE, ULTIMATE BEST FRIENDS. 244 00:14:56,963 --> 00:15:04,337 AND MADDIE HAD BEEN A HUGE PART OF OUR LIFE. 245 00:15:04,337 --> 00:15:05,538 >> Reporter: LIKE MADDIE, KAYLEE WAS A HIGH ACHIEVER, DUE TO 246 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:07,507 GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE EARLY AND HAD A JOB LINED UP WITH AN 247 00:15:07,507 --> 00:15:10,143 I.T. FIRM IN AUSTIN, TEXAS SO SHE'D JUST MOVED OUT OF THE 248 00:15:10,143 --> 00:15:15,515 HOUSE ON KING ROAD, BOUGHT A NEW CAR, A RANGE ROVER, AND HAD GONE 249 00:15:15,515 --> 00:15:18,051 BACK TO MOSCOW FOR ONE LAST WEEKEND. 250 00:15:18,051 --> 00:15:20,186 >> SHE SAID, "WELL, I WANT TO GO SHOW MADDIE MY CAR 251 00:15:20,186 --> 00:15:23,356 AND THERE'S A PI PHI PARTY TONIGHT, AND I WANT TO GO TO THE 252 00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:27,060 PI PHI PARTY." THAT WAS THE LAST TIME THAT I 253 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:28,395 SAW KAYLEE >> Reporter: TWO DAYS AFTER THE 254 00:15:28,395 --> 00:15:34,534 MURDERS, AND A FULL WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING BREAK, AN EXODUS OF 255 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:35,735 STUDENTS HAD BEGUN >> A LOT OF STUDENTS LEFT 256 00:15:35,735 --> 00:15:39,205 COMPLETELY I THINK FEAR WAS THE DRIVING 257 00:15:39,205 --> 00:15:41,841 DECISION BEHIND THAT >> Reporter: OH, AND THE FEAR? 258 00:15:41,841 --> 00:15:49,749 IT WAS JUST GETTING STARTED. BECAUSE WHEN POLICE DID TELL THE 259 00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:51,518 PUBLIC WHAT WAS KNOWN ABOUT THIS CRIME, WELL, LET'S JUST SAY IT 260 00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:14,674 >> Reporter: QUITE SUDDENLY, FAME, OF THE VERY WORST KIND, 261 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:20,513 HAD COME TO MOSCOW, IDAHO. SEEMED LIKE THE WHOLE WORLD WAS 262 00:16:20,513 --> 00:16:21,448 WATCHING >> ANOTHER DEADLY SCHOOL 263 00:16:21,448 --> 00:16:23,049 TRAGEDY, THIS ONE INVOLVING FOUR STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 264 00:16:23,049 --> 00:16:24,317 IDAHO. >> IT COULD BE ANY STUDENT HOUSE 265 00:16:24,317 --> 00:16:25,652 IN THE REMOTE TOWN OF MOSCOW, IDAHO. 266 00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:33,059 >> WHILE AUTHORITIES IN IDAHO HUNT FOR A MASS MURDERER - 267 00:16:33,059 --> 00:16:34,294 >> Reporter: MUCH TO THE DISMAY OF THOSE WHO WANTED MOSCOW NOT 268 00:16:34,294 --> 00:16:35,295 TO BE KNOWN FOR THIS >> WE WANT OUR HIDDEN GEM TO 269 00:16:35,295 --> 00:16:38,365 STAY HIDDEN. SO TO SEE THAT WE ARE MAKING 270 00:16:38,365 --> 00:16:46,272 INTERNATIONAL HEADLINES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT REALLY 271 00:16:46,272 --> 00:16:51,077 IS LIKE A GUT PUNCH. >> OKAY, SO I KEEP GOING BACK 272 00:16:51,077 --> 00:16:56,816 ABOUT IF THERE'S ONE SUSPECT OR THERE'S MULTIPLE SUSPECTS. 273 00:16:56,816 --> 00:16:57,984 >> THIS IS MY THEORY >> Reporter: IT WASN'T LONG, OF 274 00:16:57,984 --> 00:16:59,085 COURSE, UNTIL THE INTERNET CRIME SLEUTHS LATCHED ON 275 00:16:59,085 --> 00:17:00,553 >> THERE'S NO DRIED BLOOD, NO BLOOD AT ALL 276 00:17:00,553 --> 00:17:01,755 >> Reporter: AND HERE, UNCHECKED AND UNRESTRAINED, TRUE CRIME 277 00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:07,427 FANS SECOND-GUESSED AND NAMED INNOCENTS AS POSSIBLE SUSPECTS 278 00:17:07,427 --> 00:17:08,461 >> WE JUST GOT ANOTHER MAJOR PUZZLE PIECE 279 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:12,165 >> Reporter: VIRALIZED SPECULATION. 280 00:17:12,165 --> 00:17:15,835 >> AND I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE PEOPLE GETTING MURDERED 281 00:17:15,835 --> 00:17:17,037 WERE NOT SCREAMING >> EVERYONE'S COME OUT ON THIS 282 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:21,241 ONE. >> Reporter: LAUREN MATTHIAS, A 283 00:17:21,241 --> 00:17:25,345 FORMER JOURNALIST IN IDAHO, AND HER HUSBAND, FORENSIC 284 00:17:25,345 --> 00:17:31,184 PSYCHOLOGIST DR. JOHN MATTHIAS, HOST A PODCAST CALLED "HIDDEN 285 00:17:31,184 --> 00:17:32,218 TRUE CRIME." DR. MATTHIAS HAS MORE THAN 286 00:17:32,218 --> 00:17:36,823 25 YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A LICENSED CLINICAL AND FORENSIC 287 00:17:36,823 --> 00:17:38,058 PSYCHOLOGIST, EVALUATING THE ACCUSED AND THE CONVICTED FOR 288 00:17:38,058 --> 00:17:44,898 THE COURT SYSTEM >> I THINK THE LACK OF 289 00:17:44,898 --> 00:17:46,166 INFORMATION FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, COMBINED WITH THE 290 00:17:46,166 --> 00:17:50,704 INTENSE FEAR THAT'S BUILDING AROUND THIS CASE, CREATES A LOT 291 00:17:50,704 --> 00:17:51,738 OF MISINFORMATION, AND IT CREATES A LOT OF WILD 292 00:17:51,738 --> 00:17:53,840 SPECULATION. >> KAYLEE THOUGHT SHE HAD A 293 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,544 STALKER. >> Reporter: THAT SPECULATION, 294 00:17:57,544 --> 00:17:59,646 EVERYTHING FROM A STALKER TO A SPURNED LOVER TO A CARTEL HIT, 295 00:17:59,646 --> 00:18:08,088 WAS A WAVE THAT REFUSED TO CREST. 296 00:18:08,088 --> 00:18:09,255 >> EVERYTHING THAT THE PSYCHIC MEDIUM WAS SAYING, LIKE, ALL 297 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:10,924 ADDED UP >> Reporter: BUT THEN? 298 00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:12,092 TUESDAY, 48 HOURS AFTER THE BODIES WERE DISCOVERED, MOSCOW 299 00:18:12,092 --> 00:18:17,097 POLICE RELEASED A STATEMENT THAT SAID THIS. 300 00:18:17,097 --> 00:18:22,902 "INVESTIGATORS BELIEVE THAT AN EDGED WEAPON SUCH AS A KNIFE WAS 301 00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:24,270 USED" IN THE MURDERS A LOCAL SHOP OWNER REPORTED 302 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:30,877 DETECTIVES HAD STOPPED BY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE 303 00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:32,879 THIS -- A KA-BAR COMBAT KNIFE. AND SUDDENLY ALL THE RUMORS OF A 304 00:18:32,879 --> 00:18:39,753 HORRIFYING CRIME SCENE SEEMED TO BE CONFIRMED 305 00:18:39,753 --> 00:18:41,321 >> WE SPOKE TO THE CORONER, AND SHE SAID SHE'S NEVER SEEN 306 00:18:41,321 --> 00:18:45,558 ANYTHING LIKE THAT EVER. IT WAS GRUESOME, IS THE WORD SHE 307 00:18:45,558 --> 00:18:46,893 USED >> Reporter: AND AS FOR THAT 308 00:18:46,893 --> 00:18:48,695 PIECE OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE KNIFE BEING THE FIRST 309 00:18:48,695 --> 00:18:54,067 INVESTIGATIVE DETAIL RELEASED BY POLICE 310 00:18:54,067 --> 00:18:58,405 WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY WAS 311 00:18:58,405 --> 00:18:59,506 KIND OF SHOCKED THAT THAT INFORMATION WOULD HAVE BEEN 312 00:18:59,506 --> 00:19:03,610 RELEASED I MEAN, INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO 313 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:04,778 THE TYPE OF MURDER WEAPON IS SOMETHING THAT INVESTIGATORS 314 00:19:04,778 --> 00:19:10,350 REALLY TRY TO KEEP CLOSE TO THE VEST 315 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:11,418 >> MY NAME IS CHIEF JAMES FRY WITH THE MOSCOW POLICE 316 00:19:11,418 --> 00:19:17,190 DEPARTMENT >> Reporter: AND THEN ON 317 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:18,525 WEDNESDAY, THREE DAYS AFTER THE MURDERS, MOSCOW POLICE FINALLY 318 00:19:18,525 --> 00:19:19,859 APPEARED BEFORE REPORTERS. BUT FROM THE FIRST WORDS 319 00:19:19,859 --> 00:19:24,364 SPOKEN - >> WE KNOW YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, 320 00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:25,265 AND SO DO WE >> Reporter: -- IF ANYONE FELT 321 00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:30,904 THAT THERE WAS NO ONGOING THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY, WELL, THAT HAD 322 00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:32,305 CHANGED DRAMATICALLY >> WE DO NOT HAVE A SUSPECT AT 323 00:19:32,305 --> 00:19:36,176 THIS TIME. AND THAT INDIVIDUAL IS STILL OUT 324 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:37,444 THERE. >> YOU GUYS HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY 325 00:19:37,444 --> 00:19:38,278 THAT THERE'S NO THREAT TO PUBLIC 326 00:19:38,278 --> 00:19:39,879 BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO SUSPECT IS 327 00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:43,917 WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S AT. HOW IS THERE NO THREAT TO THE 328 00:19:43,917 --> 00:19:44,884 PUBLIC AT THIS POINT >> WELL, THAT'S KIND OF AN 329 00:19:44,884 --> 00:19:45,685 UNKNOWN. LIKE I SAID, WE TOOK THE 330 00:19:45,685 --> 00:19:48,855 INFORMATION WE HAD AT THE TIME - 331 00:19:48,855 --> 00:19:51,491 >> Reporter: INFORMATION WHICH WAS NOW UPDATED TO THIS. 332 00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:54,694 >> WHAT WE DON'T KNOW -- THE IDENTIFY AND LOCATION OF THE 333 00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:59,399 SUSPECT, THE LOCATION OF THE KNIFE OR ANY CLOTHING THAT WAS 334 00:19:59,399 --> 00:20:02,035 WORN BY THE SUSPECT. >> Reporter: IN OTHER WORDS, 335 00:20:02,035 --> 00:20:05,739 WHAT DID POLICE NOT KNOW A LOT. 336 00:20:05,739 --> 00:20:08,908 BUT THE CHIEF DID SAY THERE HAD BEEN NO FORCED ENTRY 337 00:20:08,908 --> 00:20:12,612 WHICH WAS NO SURPRISE TO FORMER KING ROAD RESIDENT JOHN WEBB 338 00:20:12,612 --> 00:20:15,281 >> WE NEVER LOCKED OUR DOORS WE NEVER LOCKED OUR WINDOWS. 339 00:20:15,281 --> 00:20:18,985 WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD EVER BE ANYTHING REMOTELY 340 00:20:18,985 --> 00:20:23,189 SIMILAR TO THIS HAPPENING IN KING STREET, LET ALONE MOSCOW. 341 00:20:23,189 --> 00:20:26,926 >> Reporter: THE HOUSE WAS ON A HILL AND HAD AN UNUSUAL ENTRY 342 00:20:26,926 --> 00:20:31,631 POINT IN THE BACK ON WHAT WAS TECHNICALLY THE SECOND FLOOR 343 00:20:31,631 --> 00:20:33,867 IT'S POSSIBLE THE KILLER HAD SIMPLY WALKED IN THROUGH AN 344 00:20:33,867 --> 00:20:39,873 UNLOCKED SLIDER INTO THE SECOND FLOOR KITCHEN, AND FROM THERE 345 00:20:39,873 --> 00:20:41,141 DOWN A SHORT HALLWAY TOWARD XANA'S BEDROOM, AS YOU CAN SEE 346 00:20:41,141 --> 00:20:44,344 IN THIS VIRTUAL TOUR POSTED ONLINE OF THE HOUSE, WHERE THE 347 00:20:44,344 --> 00:20:48,481 KILLER MAY HAVE ENCOUNTERED A SURPRISE 348 00:20:48,481 --> 00:20:52,185 ETHAN, TALL AND ATHLETIC, HAPPENED TO BE SPENDING THE 349 00:20:52,185 --> 00:20:58,491 NIGHT WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND. >> I THINK THAT ETHAN WAS THE 350 00:20:58,491 --> 00:21:00,593 BIGGEST THREAT IN THE HOUSE. AND IF HIS DESIRE WAS TO GO UP 351 00:21:00,593 --> 00:21:03,763 TO THAT THIRD FLOOR, YOU TAKE THE THREAT OUT 352 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:08,535 WHERE HE REALLY WANTED TO GO WAS THAT THIRD FLOOR 353 00:21:08,535 --> 00:21:12,939 HE WANTED TO GO TO SEE KAYLEE -- KAYLEE AND/OR MADDIE OR BOTH 354 00:21:12,939 --> 00:21:15,909 >> Reporter: THE CORONER HINTED AT WHAT HAPPENED 355 00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:20,647 SOME OF THE VICTIMS HAD DEFENSIVE WOUNDS, BUT THERE WAS 356 00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:22,248 NO SIGN OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. DOES THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO 357 00:21:22,248 --> 00:21:28,288 SEXUAL ASSAULT SAY ANYTHING TO YOU? 358 00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:32,792 >> YOU KNOW, TO ME, THE PERPETRATOR FELT TO GET WHATEVER 359 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:33,960 IT WAS HE WAS DOING DONE AND GET OUT OF THERE, AND THAT HIS 360 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,564 MOTIVATION IS NOT A SEXUAL MOTIVATION 361 00:21:37,564 --> 00:21:41,101 >> Reporter: BUT THE FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST, JOHN MATTHIAS, 362 00:21:41,101 --> 00:21:49,142 DEEPLY VERSED IN THE BEHAVIORAL MOTIVATIONS BEHIND VIOLENT 363 00:21:49,142 --> 00:21:50,810 ATTACKS ON WOMEN, HAD A DIFFERENT TAKE ONCE HE READ A 364 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:51,778 REPORT FROM THE MEDICAL EXAMINER 365 00:21:51,778 --> 00:21:52,946 EXCEPT - >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE 366 00:21:52,946 --> 00:21:57,117 MURDERER NEEDED TO GET IN AND OUT QUICKLY. 367 00:21:57,117 --> 00:22:00,220 SO IF THERE WERE FANTASIES ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT, HE PROBABLY 368 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:02,922 REALIZED THAT HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF WITH SO 369 00:22:02,922 --> 00:22:11,297 MANY PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE AND SO MANY PEOPLE IN SUCH CLOSE 370 00:22:11,297 --> 00:22:12,432 PROXIMITY. >> Reporter: AS THE FBI SENT A 371 00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:13,967 COMMAND CENTER TO ASSIST IN THE INVESTIGATION, PROFILERS WERE 372 00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:19,272 ASSIGNED BUT THE SEARCH FOR THE KNIFE 373 00:22:19,272 --> 00:22:26,079 SEEMED THE MOST PRESSING TASK. IF YOU BRING YOUR OWN VERY 374 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:28,214 SPECIALIZED KNIFE TO ENACT THIS DAMAGE ON PEOPLE, DOES THAT SAY 375 00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:30,316 SOMETHING MORE >> I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING 376 00:22:30,316 --> 00:22:34,554 VERY FREUDIAN IN THE SENSE THAT THIS IS SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO 377 00:22:34,554 --> 00:22:39,292 SHOW US THAT HE HAS POWER. HE WANTS TO SHOW US THAT HE'S 378 00:22:39,292 --> 00:22:40,560 PROUD OF HIS KNIFE AND HE WANTS TO SHOW US THAT 379 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,496 HE'S CAPABLE OF INFLICTING A LOT OF PAIN. 380 00:22:43,496 --> 00:22:54,107 >> Reporter: THE PRESSURE WAS ON 381 00:22:54,107 --> 00:22:55,175 THE SMALL TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD SOME BIG LEAGUE HELP 382 00:22:55,175 --> 00:22:56,176 BUT FAME AND PUBLIC ATTENTION ARE FICKLE 383 00:22:56,176 --> 00:22:59,012 COPS WERE BEING JUDGED IN PUBLIC, SOMETIMES HARSHLY. 384 00:22:59,012 --> 00:23:05,118 DID THEY HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO CATCH THIS KILLER? 385 00:23:05,118 --> 00:23:11,958 MAYBE THEY COULD START, WENT THE CHATTER ON THE INTERNET, WITH 386 00:23:32,178 --> 00:23:33,346 >> Reporter: FOR A WEEK THEY CONTINUED, NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, 387 00:23:33,346 --> 00:23:37,617 AND ALL AROUND IDAHO VIGILS FOR ETHAN, XANA, MADDIE, 388 00:23:37,617 --> 00:23:39,085 AND KAYLEE A GREAT, COLLECTIVE SORROW 389 00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:42,255 >> I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE WHAT THESE FAMILIES ARE GOING 390 00:23:42,255 --> 00:23:46,192 THROUGH. YOU SEND YOUR BABY OFF TO 391 00:23:46,192 --> 00:23:47,093 COLLEGE. YOU EXPECT THEM TO COME HOME TO 392 00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:52,265 YOU WITH A DIPLOMA AND ALL OF THESE AMAZING MEMORIES 393 00:23:52,265 --> 00:23:58,104 AND INSTEAD, THAT'S IT THEY'RE GONE 394 00:23:58,104 --> 00:23:59,706 >> Reporter: AND WHILE THE INTERNET HAD BEEN CHURNING WITH 395 00:23:59,706 --> 00:24:04,477 A THOUSAND SPECULATIONS, THE COPS -- MOSCOW PD, IDAHO STATE 396 00:24:04,477 --> 00:24:07,647 POLICE, THE FBI -- PICKED OVER THE HOUSE ON KING 397 00:24:07,647 --> 00:24:14,454 ROAD, EXAMINED WHAT THEY FOUND, AND SAID NOTHING 398 00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:17,090 NOTHING AT ALL WOULD YOU EXPECT A LOT OF USEFUL 399 00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:21,294 PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT A CRIME SCENE LIKE -- OF THAT TYPE 400 00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:23,396 >> I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF BLOOD 401 00:24:23,396 --> 00:24:26,066 EVIDENCE ALONG WITH THAT WILL BE TOUCH 402 00:24:26,066 --> 00:24:30,236 DNA. THAT COULD POSSIBLY GIVE YOU AN 403 00:24:30,236 --> 00:24:31,604 IDENTITY OF THE -- OF THE PERPETRATOR. 404 00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:33,940 >> Reporter: BUT -- COMPLICATIONS. 405 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:37,677 THE HOUSE ON KING ROAD HAD BEEN THE REGULAR SETTING OF LARGE 406 00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:39,746 PARTIES, AND NOISE COMPLAINTS. LIKE THIS ONE THREE MONTHS 407 00:24:39,746 --> 00:24:45,285 BEFORE THE MURDERS, AS SHOWN ON THIS MOSCOW POLICE BODYCAM 408 00:24:45,285 --> 00:24:50,290 >> IS THIS YOUR PLACE? >> YEAH. 409 00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:51,358 >> Reporter: THAT'S KAYLEE TALKING TO THE OFFICERS. 410 00:24:51,358 --> 00:24:52,459 >> HEY, LADIES >> Reporter: HERE'S ANOTHER 411 00:24:52,459 --> 00:24:55,562 PARTY TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE MURDERS. 412 00:24:55,562 --> 00:24:57,964 >> Reporter: FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARTY, NONE OF THE ACTUAL 413 00:24:57,964 --> 00:24:59,766 RESIDENTS WAS EVEN PRESENT >> ALL RIGHT, CAN YOU HEAR ME, 414 00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:03,503 MADDIE >> Reporter: ALTHOUGH OFFICERS 415 00:25:03,503 --> 00:25:04,771 EVENTUALLY REACHED MADDIE MOGEN. >> SOUNDS GOOD, I'M -- I'M JUST 416 00:25:04,771 --> 00:25:09,275 AS FRUSTRATED. ALSO SO SORRY ONCE AGAIN 417 00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:13,046 >> Reporter: AND THE NEXT NIGHT, THERE WERE TWO MORE NOISE 418 00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:14,581 COMPLAINTS >> HELLO MISS, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? 419 00:25:14,581 --> 00:25:18,885 >> XANA. >> Reporter: ON THIS TAPE, XANA 420 00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:22,455 CAME TO THE DOOR >> WE CAN HEAR THE MUSIC 421 00:25:22,455 --> 00:25:29,329 >> I'M SO, SO SORRY. >> Reporter: THE WEEKEND OF THE 422 00:25:29,329 --> 00:25:32,499 MURDERS THERE WAS ANOTHER PARTY AT 1122 KING ROAD, FRIDAY NIGHT 423 00:25:32,499 --> 00:25:33,566 THROUGH EARLY SATURDAY SOURCES HAVE TOLD US THAT AS 424 00:25:33,566 --> 00:25:37,737 MANY AS 150 PEOPLE ATTENDED. AND THOUGH POLICE WERE NOT 425 00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:42,475 CALLED, THIS TIME THE MERE PRESENCE, 24 HOURS BEFORE THE 426 00:25:42,475 --> 00:25:46,179 KILLINGS, OF SO MANY PEOPLE -- ALL OF WHOM MAY HAVE LEFT THEIR 427 00:25:46,179 --> 00:25:52,485 DNA BEHIND -- MADE THE TASK OF PARSING OUT THE KILLERS -- 428 00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:54,587 IMPOSSIBLE HMM. 429 00:25:54,587 --> 00:25:57,223 IF THE COPS KNEW, THEY WEREN'T SAYING 430 00:25:57,223 --> 00:25:58,625 BUT, STANDARD PROCEDURE, THEY BUILT TIMELINES, AND LEARNED ALL 431 00:25:58,625 --> 00:26:05,131 THEY COULD ABOUT HOW EACH OF THE VICTIMS ENDED UP IN THAT HOUSE 432 00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:06,266 ON THAT NIGHT. HERE THEY WERE, TOGETHER, 433 00:26:06,266 --> 00:26:10,904 SATURDAY BEFORE THE VANDALS FOOTBALL GAME. 434 00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:16,710 12 HOURS BEFORE THEY WERE KILLED 435 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:17,844 WITH THEM WERE TWO MORE ROOMMATES, BETHANY AND DYLAN, 436 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:19,045 WHO SOMEHOW ESCAPED THE FATE OF THE OTHERS 437 00:26:19,045 --> 00:26:25,285 WHAT DID THEY KNOW, WHAT DID THEY SEE 438 00:26:25,285 --> 00:26:32,058 NO ONE WOULD SAY THAT SATURDAY EVENING, ETHAN AND 439 00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:33,093 XANA ARRIVED AT SIGMA CHI FOR A PARTY AROUND 9:00 P.M. 440 00:26:33,093 --> 00:26:34,094 ANYTHING MEMORABLE HAPPEN AT THAT PARTY 441 00:26:34,094 --> 00:26:35,662 >> I HUNG OUT WITH XANA FOR A LOT OF THAT NIGHT. 442 00:26:35,662 --> 00:26:38,932 AND I'M HAPPY IN RETROSPECT, BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO HAVE WHAT 443 00:26:38,932 --> 00:26:43,069 I DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME, BUT MY LAST SECONDS WITH XANA. 444 00:26:43,069 --> 00:26:44,104 >> WHAT SPIRITS WAS SHE IN >> XANA WAS ALWAYS HAPPY 445 00:26:44,104 --> 00:26:50,377 XANA WAS, LIKE, THE TRUE EPITOME OF, LIKE, A GOOD FRIEND. 446 00:26:50,377 --> 00:26:53,079 >> Reporter: KAYLEE AND MADDIE, THAT SATURDAY EVENING, WERE IN 447 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:57,751 DOWNTOWN MOSCOW AT A PLACE CALLED THE CORNER CLUB, ARRIVING 448 00:26:57,751 --> 00:26:59,853 SOMETIME AFTER 10:00 P.M THREE AND A HALF HOURS LATER, 449 00:26:59,853 --> 00:27:03,023 AROUND 1:30 A.M., THEY LEFT THE BAR TOGETHER, WALKED A COUPLE OF 450 00:27:03,023 --> 00:27:06,226 BLOCKS TO A PLACE CALLED THE GRUB TRUCK, AND GOT SOME FOOD, 451 00:27:06,226 --> 00:27:10,363 AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS VIDEO THAT'S THEM, ORDERING AT THE 452 00:27:10,363 --> 00:27:14,601 WINDOW >> IT JUST KILLS ME, KNOWING 453 00:27:14,601 --> 00:27:16,036 THAT THEY WERE ABOUT TO WALK INTO WHAT THEY WALKED INTO 454 00:27:16,036 --> 00:27:23,510 THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. 455 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:25,645 >> Reporter: AT PRECISELY 1:49 A.M., ONE OF THE WOMEN 456 00:27:25,645 --> 00:27:29,382 CALLED FOR A YOUNG FRATERNITY MEMBER WHO'D BEEN ASSIGNED TO 457 00:27:29,382 --> 00:27:32,085 HELP UPPERCLASSMEN AND WOMEN DRIVE HOME SAFELY. 458 00:27:32,085 --> 00:27:33,520 >> WE DON'T REALLY TAKE UBERS IN MOSCOW 459 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,156 IT'S A LOT CHEAPER, AND IT'S A LOT SAFER. 460 00:27:36,156 --> 00:27:37,257 YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. YOU JUST GET IN THE CAR WITH 461 00:27:37,257 --> 00:27:43,663 SOMEBODY YOU KNOW, AND KNOWS ALL YOUR FRIENDS 462 00:27:43,663 --> 00:27:44,964 >> Reporter: THE DRIVE HOME FOR KAYLEE AND MADDIE WAS A LITTLE 463 00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:48,802 MORE THAN A MILE THEY ARRIVED AT 1:56 A.M 464 00:27:48,802 --> 00:27:51,471 >> KAYLEE AND MADDIE WERE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT THAT NIGHT. 465 00:27:51,471 --> 00:27:54,074 THEY WERE TOGETHER THEY HAD A SAFE RIDE HOME. 466 00:27:54,074 --> 00:27:58,812 THEY WEREN'T OUT THERE, YOU KNOW - 467 00:27:58,812 --> 00:28:00,213 >> COMING BACK FROM A CLUB OR DOING ANY RISKY BE -- BEHAVIOR, 468 00:28:00,213 --> 00:28:03,016 OUT ON DATES, THAT -- THERE WAS NOTHING. 469 00:28:03,016 --> 00:28:04,684 >> Reporter: XANA AND ETHAN HAD ARRIVED AT THE HOUSE ALREADY, A 470 00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:08,254 FEW MINUTES BEFORE KAYLEE AND MADDIE 471 00:28:08,254 --> 00:28:15,628 SO BY 2:00 A.M., ALL 6 RESIDENTS WERE SAFELY HOME 472 00:28:15,628 --> 00:28:19,632 OR SO THEY MUST HAVE BELIEVED. THEN, SHORTLY BEFORE 3:00 A.M., 473 00:28:19,632 --> 00:28:24,037 THIS >> HEY, MOSCOW POLICE. 474 00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:25,138 COME BACK HERE >> Reporter: A COUPLE BLOCKS 475 00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:28,808 AWAY, MOSCOW PD RESPONDED TO A CALL 476 00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:32,712 AND HERE IS WHAT THE OFFICER FOUND, RECORDED ON HIS BODYCAM 477 00:28:32,712 --> 00:28:40,387 >> I TAKE IT YOU'RE NOT 21 >> Reporter: ALCOHOL OFFENSE 478 00:28:40,387 --> 00:28:44,691 NOTHING UNUSUAL. THEN, ON THAT BODYCAM -- IT'S 479 00:28:44,691 --> 00:28:52,532 VERY HARD TO HEAR, BUT WHAT SOUNDED TO SOME LIKE A BARELY 480 00:28:52,532 --> 00:28:54,701 AUDIBLE DISTANT SCREAM WHICH, WHEN THE VIDEO CAME OUT, 481 00:28:54,701 --> 00:28:58,838 SENT INTERNET TONGUES WAGGING AGAIN. 482 00:28:58,838 --> 00:29:05,211 >> OKAY, YOU GUYS, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY HUGE. 483 00:29:05,211 --> 00:29:08,848 AT EXACTLY 3:12 A.M., 45 SECONDS IN, YOU CAN HEAR, LIKE, THE 484 00:29:08,848 --> 00:29:11,017 SCREAMS OF A FEMALE. >> Reporter: BUT LATER, THE 485 00:29:11,017 --> 00:29:15,188 POLICE, MUM ABOUT MOST THINGS, SAID THE INCIDENT WAS NOT 486 00:29:15,188 --> 00:29:19,926 RELATED TO THE MURDERS STILL, THEY WERE LOOKING AT 487 00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:23,063 VIDEO, HOURS AND HOURS OF THAT, FROM HOME SECURITY SYSTEMS, AND 488 00:29:23,063 --> 00:29:26,566 DOORBELLS, AND ANYTHING THAT RECORDED WHATEVER MOVED AROUND 489 00:29:26,566 --> 00:29:29,903 KING ROAD FROM 3:00 UNTIL 6:00 A.M 490 00:29:29,903 --> 00:29:35,742 >> AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA EXPAND THAT OUT INTO THE FURTHER AREAS 491 00:29:35,742 --> 00:29:36,943 OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE ROUTES OF TRAVEL THAT 492 00:29:36,943 --> 00:29:42,148 THE PERPETRATOR MAY HAVE TAKEN SO YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO EXPLOIT 493 00:29:42,148 --> 00:29:43,583 AS MUCH OF THAT DIGITAL EVIDENCE THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE AS YOU 494 00:29:43,583 --> 00:29:45,685 CAN. >> Reporter: LIKE PANNING FOR 495 00:29:45,685 --> 00:29:50,957 GOLD LOTS OF BORING ROCK, AND MAYBE, 496 00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:54,127 HERE AND THERE, A VALUABLE LITTLE NUGGET. 497 00:29:54,127 --> 00:29:58,531 SUCH AS A YOUNG MAN ABOUT TO BE KNOWN FAR AND WIDE AS FOOD TRUCK 498 00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:21,521 >> Reporter: NATURE, AS WE KNOW, ABHORS A VACUUM. 499 00:30:21,521 --> 00:30:25,225 AND NO ONE KNOWS IT MORE THAN THE AMATEUR SLEUTHS OF SOCIAL 500 00:30:25,225 --> 00:30:31,531 MEDIA. THEORIES MULTIPLIED LIKE SPORES 501 00:30:31,531 --> 00:30:32,632 IN A WORLDWIDE PETRI DISH. NOTHING LIKE THE METHOD AND 502 00:30:32,632 --> 00:30:35,235 ORDER EX-DETECTIVE, BRAD MASKELL, HAD LONG 503 00:30:35,235 --> 00:30:38,371 PREFERRED. >> YOU'RE GONNA DISPATCH 504 00:30:38,371 --> 00:30:42,075 INVESTIGATORS TO DO INTERVIEWS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSEST TO 505 00:30:42,075 --> 00:30:48,415 THE VICTIMS AND WORKING OUTWARD. >> Reporter: BEFORE HE RETIRED, 506 00:30:48,415 --> 00:30:50,583 MASKELL HANDLED SOME OF IDAHO'S BIGGEST MURDER CASES 507 00:30:50,583 --> 00:30:54,788 HIS METHODS WERE TIME-TESTED >> I WANT TO KNOW AS MUCH AS I 508 00:30:54,788 --> 00:30:57,424 CAN ABOUT THEIR CONTACTS, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SOME 509 00:30:57,424 --> 00:31:02,162 RUB WITH A FAMILY MEMBER, WITH POSSIBLY ANOTHER FRIEND, WITH A 510 00:31:02,162 --> 00:31:03,196 RELATIONSHIP THAT POSSIBLY WENT BAD. 511 00:31:03,196 --> 00:31:06,466 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO AN INVESTIGATOR TO GET TO KNOW EACH 512 00:31:06,466 --> 00:31:12,706 VICTIM, ALMOST ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. 513 00:31:12,706 --> 00:31:13,973 >> Reporter: THE ONLINE AMATEURS WERE DOING THE SAME THING, IN A 514 00:31:13,973 --> 00:31:17,977 WAY. EXCEPT -- WHEN THE INTERNET 515 00:31:17,977 --> 00:31:22,215 DISCOVERED THE EX-BOYFRIEND, INVESTIGATIVE RESTRAINT WAS 516 00:31:22,215 --> 00:31:25,352 ABANDONED ALTOGETHER KAYLEE GONCALVES' LONGTIME 517 00:31:25,352 --> 00:31:29,689 BOYFRIEND AND ENGINEERING STUDENT, JACK DUCOEUR, WAS SOON 518 00:31:29,689 --> 00:31:34,327 SOCIAL MEDIA SUSPECT NUMBER ONE. >> JACK IS A VERY SOFT-SPOKEN 519 00:31:34,327 --> 00:31:36,963 KID. HE ADORED KAYLEE 520 00:31:36,963 --> 00:31:40,133 HE COMES FROM A VERY NICE FAMILY 521 00:31:40,133 --> 00:31:44,337 JACK WAS THE KIND OF KID THAT, YOU KNOW, HE -- HE WOULD COME 522 00:31:44,337 --> 00:31:46,439 OVER, AND THE FIRST THING HE WOULD DO IS, YOU KNOW, TAKE OFF 523 00:31:46,439 --> 00:31:48,575 HIS SHOES AND -- >> HE'D TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT 524 00:31:48,575 --> 00:31:51,478 >> -- TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT >> THAT KIND OF WON ME OVER. 525 00:31:51,478 --> 00:31:52,979 >> Reporter: KAYLEE'S PARENTS GOT TO KNOW HIM WELL OVER THE 526 00:31:52,979 --> 00:31:58,118 FIVE YEARS HE DATED THEIR DAUGHTER 527 00:31:58,118 --> 00:31:59,185 BUT JUST A FEW WEEKS BEFORE KAYLEE WAS KILLED, THEY HAD 528 00:31:59,185 --> 00:32:01,221 BROKEN UP. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT 529 00:32:01,221 --> 00:32:04,891 RELATIONSHIP >> I THINK THAT THEY JUST GOT TO 530 00:32:04,891 --> 00:32:06,393 THE POINT THAT THEY HAD BEEN TOGETHER FOR SO LONG THAT THEY 531 00:32:06,393 --> 00:32:08,128 WERE KIN -- THEY WERE JUST KIND OF ON A BREAK, REALLY, LIKE, 532 00:32:08,128 --> 00:32:10,764 "LET'S JUST SEE WHERE IT GOES, AND IF WE WIND UP TO - 533 00:32:10,764 --> 00:32:17,070 TO -- TOGETHER, THEN WE WIND UP TOGETHER." 534 00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:18,138 BUT IT WAS VERY AMICABLE >> Reporter: JACK AND KAYLEE 535 00:32:18,138 --> 00:32:20,740 BOUGHT A DOG TOGETHER. THEY NAMED HIM MURPHY AND SHARED 536 00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:26,079 CUSTODY OF HIM ON THE NIGHT OF NOVEMBER 13th, 537 00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:32,852 MURPHY WAS STAYING WITH KAYLEE SO, NOW A BONFIRE OF RUMORS. 538 00:32:32,852 --> 00:32:34,287 WHY WAS MURPHY UNHARMED? WHY DIDN'T HE BARK AND WARN 539 00:32:34,287 --> 00:32:37,090 EVERYONE BECAUSE HE KNEW THE KILLER 540 00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:41,828 SO, IT WENT ONLINE AND THEN IT WAS DISCOVERED 541 00:32:41,828 --> 00:32:44,998 KAYLEE AND MADDIE TRIED CALLING JACK TEN TIMES THAT NIGHT 542 00:32:44,998 --> 00:32:48,702 BETWEEN 2:26 AND 2:52 A.M. HE DIDN'T ANSWER 543 00:32:48,702 --> 00:32:54,007 WHY, THE INTERNET DEMANDED TO KNOW 544 00:32:54,007 --> 00:32:55,175 YOU KNOW PEOPLE SAW THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS TO JACK THAT 545 00:32:55,175 --> 00:32:56,643 NIGHT. THEY -- THEY KEPT HEARING, 546 00:32:56,643 --> 00:33:00,313 "JACK, JACK, JACK. AND JACK BECAME SUSPECT. 547 00:33:00,313 --> 00:33:05,085 >> YEAH. >> Reporter: WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? 548 00:33:05,085 --> 00:33:08,788 >> IT WAS HARD >> Reporter: ONE WEEK AFTER THE 549 00:33:08,788 --> 00:33:13,059 KILLINGS, CHIEF JAMES FRY WAS ASKED ABOUT THOSE PHONE CALLS. 550 00:33:13,059 --> 00:33:15,228 >> EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TAKEN FROM THE -- FROM THOSE CALLS, WE 551 00:33:15,228 --> 00:33:18,264 HAVE FOLLOWED UP ON, WE HAVE CLEARED, AND WE BELIEVE THAT 552 00:33:18,264 --> 00:33:20,967 THERE'S NO CONNECTION THERE. >> Reporter: BUT EVEN THOUGH 553 00:33:20,967 --> 00:33:26,706 POLICE CLEARED JACK, THE ONLINE SCRUTINY REMAINED INTENSE. 554 00:33:26,706 --> 00:33:27,974 >> JACK WOULD COME OVER AND SHOW ME P -- PRIVATE MESSAGES THAT HE 555 00:33:27,974 --> 00:33:32,078 WAS GETTING AND STUFF. AND THEY WERE JUST HORRIBLE. 556 00:33:32,078 --> 00:33:36,716 >> Reporter: JACK WASN'T ALONE, MIND YOU 557 00:33:36,716 --> 00:33:39,085 THERE WAS THE GUY IN THE HOODIE HANGING OUT NEAR THE FOOD TRUCK. 558 00:33:39,085 --> 00:33:40,220 REMEMBER, KAYLEE AND MADDIE STOPPED BY THERE JUST BEFORE 559 00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:40,987 THEY WERE KILLED >> HI! 560 00:33:40,987 --> 00:33:43,189 >> WELCOME BACK! >> Reporter: AND JUST LIKE THAT, 561 00:33:43,189 --> 00:33:59,839 THIS GUY, CAUGHT ON VIDEO, WAS INTERNET SLEUTH. 562 00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,108 SUSTAINED SUSPEPECT NUMBER TWO. >> IT WAS KIND OF EERIE. 563 00:34:02,108 --> 00:34:03,343 >> Reporter: REPORTER JOHN WEBB SPOTTED HIM IN THE VIDEO NEAR 564 00:34:03,343 --> 00:34:04,577 KAYLEE AND MADDIE. >> AS THE GIRLS G 565 00:34:04,577 --> 00:34:09,816 STEPS BACK HE PUTS HIS HAT AROUND, PUTS HIS 566 00:34:09,816 --> 00:34:11,051 HOOD OVER, AND KINDA LURKS IN BETWEEN THE REST OF THE CROWD AS 567 00:34:11,051 --> 00:34:17,757 THE GIRLS ORDER THEIR FOOD THEN THEY WAIT FOR TEN OR SO 568 00:34:17,757 --> 00:34:19,059 MINUTES TO GO PICK UP THEIR FOOD ON THE UN -- OTHER END OF THE 569 00:34:19,059 --> 00:34:20,060 GRUB TRUCK >> AND THEN AS THE GIRLS LEAVE 570 00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:21,227 TO HOP INTO THAT PRIVATE PARTY RIDE, YOU COULD SEE HIM THROW 571 00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:22,062 HIS HANDS UP AND THEN HE STARTS WALKING 572 00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:24,064 TOWARDS THEM, WALKS AROUND A BENCH AND THEN GOES TOWARD THE 573 00:34:24,064 --> 00:34:25,632 DIRECTION WHERE THEY LIVED >> WE'LL CALL HIM FOOD TRUCK 574 00:34:25,632 --> 00:34:26,733 GUY. >> Reporter: LAUREN MATTHIAS 575 00:34:26,733 --> 00:34:33,073 LEARNED HE LIVED NEARBY AND LEARNED MUCH MORE. 576 00:34:33,073 --> 00:34:36,209 >> ON HIS MOTHER'S FACEBOOK PAGE, SLEUTHS HAVE DISCOVERED 577 00:34:36,209 --> 00:34:39,846 PHOTOS OF HIM WITH A VERY LARGE KNIFE IN FRONT OF SKINNED 578 00:34:39,846 --> 00:34:41,614 ANIMALS. AND HUNTING SEEMS TO BE A 579 00:34:41,614 --> 00:34:47,220 PASSION OF HIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN USING A KNIFE. 580 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:52,525 >> I WANT TO ADDRESS SEVERAL AREAS OF SPECULATION 581 00:34:52,525 --> 00:34:55,695 >> Reporter: BUT WITHIN DAYS, WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC EXPLANATION, 582 00:34:55,695 --> 00:35:01,067 POLICE CLEARED HIM AS WELL HE DID NOT DO IT 583 00:35:01,067 --> 00:35:03,103 IT WASN'T FOOD TRUCK GUY, AS POLICE CAPTAIN ROGER LANIER 584 00:35:03,103 --> 00:35:04,204 EMERGED TO TELL REPORTERS. >> WE DO NOT BELIEVE THE 585 00:35:04,204 --> 00:35:13,646 FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS ARE INVOLVED IN THIS CRIME 586 00:35:13,646 --> 00:35:14,881 THE TWO SURVIVING ROOMMATES, A MALE SEEN AT THE GRUB TRUCK FOOD 587 00:35:14,881 --> 00:35:17,851 VENDOR DOWNTOWN, SPECIFICALLY WEARING A WHITE HOODIE 588 00:35:17,851 --> 00:35:26,926 >> Reporter: AS WITH JACK DUCOEUR, EVEN AFTER POLICE 589 00:35:26,926 --> 00:35:28,061 CLEARED "THE FOOD TRUCK GUY," SO-CALLED INTERNET SLEUTHS 590 00:35:28,061 --> 00:35:29,462 WOULDN'T LET GO OF THEIR SUSPICIONS 591 00:35:29,462 --> 00:35:34,200 MARTHA READ SOME OF THOSE ONLINE THEORIES WITH DISBELIEF. 592 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,337 >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE IT THE TOUGHEST WAS THE TIKTOK 593 00:35:37,337 --> 00:35:39,472 SLEUTHS. >> Reporter: THE TIKTOK SLEUTHS. 594 00:35:39,472 --> 00:35:43,677 >> THE INDEPENDENT TIKTOK SLEUTHS AND THE PEOPLE WHO MADE 595 00:35:43,677 --> 00:35:47,914 OUT THE PEOPLE THAT I LOVE AND KNOW INTO MONSTERS ONLINE. 596 00:35:47,914 --> 00:35:50,617 THERE WAS SOME REALLY AWFUL THINGS WRITTEN ON THE INTERNET 597 00:35:50,617 --> 00:35:51,818 >> Reporter: GOT A REAL-LIFE LESSON ON HOW CRUEL THE INTERNET 598 00:35:51,818 --> 00:35:54,754 CAN BE >> YEAH. 599 00:35:54,754 --> 00:35:58,458 AND IT DEFINITELY -- IT WENT THROUGH ALL PARTS OF OUR CAMPUS. 600 00:35:58,458 --> 00:35:59,626 EVERY DIGITAL FOOTPRINT, EVERY VENMO TRANSACTION, EVERY -- 601 00:35:59,626 --> 00:36:03,730 EVERY -- EVERYTHING 602 00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:07,434 >> Reporter: ANY OF YOUR FRIENDS IN PARTICULAR GET HURT OR HIT BY 603 00:36:07,434 --> 00:36:09,502 THIS STUFF >> YEAH. 604 00:36:09,502 --> 00:36:11,638 AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS -- IT WAS ODD, BECAUSE YOU'D BE WITH 605 00:36:11,638 --> 00:36:14,307 PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE LITERALLY, LIKE, ACTIVELY GRIEVING WITH, 606 00:36:14,307 --> 00:36:17,944 AND THEN YOU'D, LIKE, OPEN FACEBOOK, OR YOU'D OPEN TIKTOK, 607 00:36:17,944 --> 00:36:22,682 AND THEN IT WOULD BE WHY THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO YOU IS 608 00:36:22,682 --> 00:36:29,055 THE ONE THAT DID IT. >> Reporter: BUT, AS WE SAY, 609 00:36:29,055 --> 00:36:30,623 NATURE ABHORS A VACUUM AND, ASIDE FROM THOSE FEW 610 00:36:30,623 --> 00:36:31,758 COMMENTS, THE POLICE JUST WEREN'T FILLING THE INCESSANT 611 00:36:31,758 --> 00:36:35,462 DEMAND FOR ANSWERS EVEN FROM VICTIMS' FAMILIES, AS 612 00:36:35,462 --> 00:36:38,064 KRISTI GONCALVES TOLD NBC'S GADI SCHWARTZ. 613 00:36:38,064 --> 00:36:41,167 >> WE DON'T KNOW MY HUSBAND IS IN CONTACT WITH 614 00:36:41,167 --> 00:36:43,303 THEM EVERYDAY. THE FBI, MOSCOW, IDAHO STATE 615 00:36:43,303 --> 00:36:45,939 POLICE AND EVERYDAY HE JUST SAYS, 616 00:36:45,939 --> 00:36:48,074 "NOTHING BABE. AND I'M LIKE, "NOTHING?" 617 00:36:48,074 --> 00:36:52,379 AND HE'S LIKE, "NOTHING. I MEAN, JUST NOTHING." 618 00:36:52,379 --> 00:36:55,448 >> Reporter: AND STEVE GONCALVES SAID THE VERY THING MILLIONS 619 00:36:55,448 --> 00:36:58,084 WERE THINKING. >> WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THINGS 620 00:36:58,084 --> 00:36:59,185 GOIN' COLD, YOU KNOW WE WERE -- WE WERE HONESTLY 621 00:36:59,185 --> 00:37:05,058 WORRIED ABOUT THAT >> Reporter: EXCEPT THEY DIDN'T 622 00:37:05,058 --> 00:37:10,764 KNOW -- COULDN'T KNOW ABOUT A MYSTERIOUS WHITE CAR THAT JUST 623 00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:11,798 MYSTERIOUS WHITE CAR THAT JUST MIGHT BE IMPORTANT 624 00:37:33,853 --> 00:37:37,057 AHEAD IN MOSCOW, IDAHO EARLY DECEMBER, THE BIG LIGHT UP 625 00:37:37,057 --> 00:37:44,397 THE SEASON EVENT WOULD MAKE ITS WAY DOWN MAIN STREET AS ALWAYS 626 00:37:44,397 --> 00:37:47,534 BUT THINGS WEREN'T THE SAME, OF COURSE, COULDN'T BE, HERE IN 627 00:37:47,534 --> 00:37:56,509 REPORTER HAYLEY GUENTHNER'S HOMETOWN 628 00:37:56,509 --> 00:37:57,711 >> YOU GO TO SAFEWAY, AND YOU WONDER, IS THE KILLER CHECKING 629 00:37:57,711 --> 00:38:01,014 OUT NEXT TO ME ARE THEY PUMPING GAS RIGHT 630 00:38:01,014 --> 00:38:01,881 ACROSS FROM ME >> Reporter: IT'S A WEIRD 631 00:38:01,881 --> 00:38:02,849 SITUATION. THAT'S FOR SURE. 632 00:38:02,849 --> 00:38:03,917 >> I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT 633 00:38:03,917 --> 00:38:05,151 YOU KEEP HOPING THAT YOU'LL GET SOME ANSWER, SOME CLARITY, AND 634 00:38:05,151 --> 00:38:06,152 THERE JUST ISN'T ANY >> Reporter: HOW ARE PEOPLE 635 00:38:06,152 --> 00:38:10,457 FEELING ABOUT THE MESSAGES THEY ARE GETTING FROM VARIOUS PEOPLE 636 00:38:10,457 --> 00:38:12,892 IN AUTHORITY >> PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED 637 00:38:12,892 --> 00:38:17,664 THEY'RE ANGRY. THEY'RE CONFUSED 638 00:38:17,664 --> 00:38:18,732 BUT WORST OF ALL, THEY'RE REALLY SCARED 639 00:38:18,732 --> 00:38:22,435 >> Reporter: A KILLER WAS STILL OUT THERE. 640 00:38:22,435 --> 00:38:24,537 WHICH WAS WHY KAYLEE'S FAMILY MADE THE DECISION TO DELAY HER 641 00:38:24,537 --> 00:38:29,309 FUNERAL. HER FATHER, STEVE. 642 00:38:29,309 --> 00:38:33,046 >> WE DON'T WANT TO DESTROY THAT CEREMONY WITH THAT GUY -- THAT 643 00:38:33,046 --> 00:38:39,853 MONSTER BEING THERE IN JUST FEEDING OFF EVERYBODY'S MISERY 644 00:38:39,853 --> 00:38:41,454 AND EVERYBODY'S TEARS. WE WANT TO GIVE ENOUGH TIME FOR 645 00:38:41,454 --> 00:38:43,556 THESE OFFICERS TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO 646 00:38:43,556 --> 00:38:49,462 >> Reporter: EXCEPT STEVE HAD BEGUN TO WORRY, AND HE WASN'T 647 00:38:49,462 --> 00:38:53,667 ALONE, THAT HIS DAUGHTER'S MURDER WOULD NEVER BE SOLVED 648 00:38:53,667 --> 00:38:55,735 >> IT'S GONNA BE A COLD CASE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING WITHIN THE 649 00:38:55,735 --> 00:38:56,803 NEXT WEEK OR TWO >> Reporter: SEEMED TO STEVE 650 00:38:56,803 --> 00:39:02,575 LIKE SOMEBODY HAD TO SAY IT. MIGHT AS WELL BE HIM 651 00:39:02,575 --> 00:39:08,415 >> I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT ANYTHING BEING RELEASED. 652 00:39:08,415 --> 00:39:09,549 AND MAYBE I'M A FOOL, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S OKAY. 653 00:39:09,549 --> 00:39:10,650 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING PAID FOR IF YOU'RE NOT 654 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:11,718 COMMUNICATING ANYTHING BUT I HONESTLY LAID IT ON THE 655 00:39:11,718 --> 00:39:15,021 LINE FOR THESE GUYS IN A ROOM AND SAID, "HEY, MAN, I'M A MAN 656 00:39:15,021 --> 00:39:21,094 OF HONOR I'M NOT GONNA LIE. 657 00:39:21,094 --> 00:39:23,830 HELP ME. I LITERALLY SAID, "HELP ME, HELP 658 00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:25,331 ME HELP ME FROM HURTING MYSELF. 659 00:39:25,331 --> 00:39:26,433 HELP ME FROM HURTING THIS CASE." AND THEY JUST LEFT ME. 660 00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:31,671 THEY JUST LEFT ME WITH NOTHING >> Reporter: AROUND THE COUNTRY, 661 00:39:31,671 --> 00:39:34,307 POLICE BECAME THE TARGET OF INTENSE CRITICISM. 662 00:39:34,307 --> 00:39:38,044 TO WHICH RETIRED DETECTIVE BRAD MASKELL RESPONDED, "BE 663 00:39:38,044 --> 00:39:40,680 PATIENT. >> IT JUST SAYS TO ME THAT THE 664 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,352 CASE WAS IN THE STAGES THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED SO MANY TIMES IN MY 665 00:39:45,352 --> 00:39:46,953 CAREER IT'S IN A CHAOTIC STAGE. 666 00:39:46,953 --> 00:39:53,827 AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE HAPPENING INITIALLY THAT DON'T 667 00:39:53,827 --> 00:39:58,098 MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT AT THE CORE 668 00:39:58,098 --> 00:39:59,366 OF THE INVESTIGATION, THEY'RE FOCUSED AND THEY'RE DOING WHAT 669 00:39:59,366 --> 00:40:01,835 THEY NEED TO DO. >> EVERY SINGLE WORD THEY SAY IS 670 00:40:01,835 --> 00:40:07,007 GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, DEEPLY SCRUTINIZED. 671 00:40:07,007 --> 00:40:10,777 >> Reporter: SO, SAID FORMER FBI AGENT AND NBC NEWS CONSULTANT 672 00:40:10,777 --> 00:40:11,878 GREG ROGERS, DETECTIVES TRYING TO SOLVE THE CASE OF THE 673 00:40:11,878 --> 00:40:15,015 MURDERED STUDENTS HAD GOOD REASON TO SHARE VERY LITTLE OF 674 00:40:15,015 --> 00:40:19,786 WHAT THEY WERE DISCOVERING AND TO TRY TO IGNORE THE CRITICS 675 00:40:19,786 --> 00:40:22,322 >> IT'S NOT HELPFUL. BUT TO BE BRUTALLY HONEST WITH 676 00:40:22,322 --> 00:40:29,696 YOU, THEY DON'T CARE THEY JUST WANNA DO THEIR JOB 677 00:40:29,696 --> 00:40:30,797 AND THEY WANNA SOLVE THIS CASE >> Reporter: FINALLY, ON 678 00:40:30,797 --> 00:40:32,732 DECEMBER 7th, 3 WEEKS AFTER THE MURDERS, THERE WAS A GLIMMER OF 679 00:40:32,732 --> 00:40:38,138 WHAT SEEMED LIKE PROGRESS. MOSCOW POLICE PUT OUT A PUBLIC 680 00:40:38,138 --> 00:40:39,272 APPEAL THEY WANTED TO SPEAK WITH THE 681 00:40:39,272 --> 00:40:46,079 OWNER OF A 2011 TO 2013 WHITE HYUNDAI ELANTRA. 682 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,249 P.I.O. ROBBIE JOHNSON PROVIDED A BIT MORE DETAIL FIVE DAYS LATER. 683 00:40:49,249 --> 00:40:51,351 >> WELL, WE KNOW THROUGH THE INFORMATION WE'VE GATHERED THAT 684 00:40:51,351 --> 00:40:56,122 THAT VEHICLE WAS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF WHERE THE 685 00:40:56,122 --> 00:40:58,224 HOMICIDES TOOK PLACE IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF 686 00:40:58,224 --> 00:41:00,360 NOVEMBER 13th. SO WE KNOW THE VEHICLE WAS 687 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,496 THERE. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHO WAS IN 688 00:41:03,496 --> 00:41:07,267 IT, WHO MAY HAVE OWNED THAT CAR, WHO MAY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT 689 00:41:07,267 --> 00:41:08,535 WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT SO THAT IS A REAL BIG FOCUS 690 00:41:08,535 --> 00:41:12,605 RIGHT NOW AS WE TRY TO GET THOSE ANSWERS. 691 00:41:12,605 --> 00:41:16,276 >> MY FIRST THOUGHT JUST STARTED BEING LIKE, "HOW LONG HAVE THEY 692 00:41:16,276 --> 00:41:17,210 HAD THIS INFORMATION WHERE DO THEY GET THIS 693 00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:19,846 INFORMATION? WAS IT ON A CAMERA?" 694 00:41:19,846 --> 00:41:24,084 >> Reporter: KAYLEE'S MOTHER, BY NO MEANS ALONE IN THIS, WAS 695 00:41:24,084 --> 00:41:27,787 FRUSTRATED THAT THE POLICE WOULDN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. 696 00:41:27,787 --> 00:41:32,559 >> THEY BELIEVE THAT PERSON OR PERSONS HAS PERTINENT 697 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:38,898 INFORMATION TO THE CASE. SO THAT'S GOTTA GIVE ME SOME 698 00:41:38,898 --> 00:41:40,100 HOPE WHETHER IT'S A WITNESS, WHETHER 699 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:41,301 IT'S SOMEONE BEYOND A WITNESS, I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW. 700 00:41:41,301 --> 00:41:44,170 >> Reporter: BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THE POLICE DIDN'T SAY 701 00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:46,272 WHEN THEY APPEALED TO THE PUBLIC FOR HELP 702 00:41:46,272 --> 00:41:52,112 SEVERAL SOMETHINGS THINGS THEY KNEW ABOUT THAT 703 00:41:52,112 --> 00:41:53,646 WHITE ELANTRA AND ITS OWNER. SOMETHING SO SURPRISING, SO 704 00:41:53,646 --> 00:41:59,419 DEEPLY SHOCKING, IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO REMAIN A VERY DISTURBING 705 00:42:25,445 --> 00:42:30,483 >> (MUSICA). OF A WHITE VEHICLE THAT WAS IN 706 00:42:30,483 --> 00:42:32,218 THE AREA EITHER DURING THE TIMEFRAME OF THE HOMICIDE OR 707 00:42:32,218 --> 00:42:33,253 AROUND THE TIMEFRAME OF THE HOMICIDES. 708 00:42:33,253 --> 00:42:39,225 AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A 2011 TO A 2013 HYUNDAI ELANTRA 709 00:42:39,225 --> 00:42:40,460 >> Reporter: RARELY HAS A POLICE APPEAL FOR HELP BEEN MET BY SO 710 00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:44,898 ENTHUSIASTIC A RESPONSE OR SO MANY QUESTIONS 711 00:42:44,898 --> 00:42:47,000 >> THEY HOPE THAT THIS IS A BREAK IN THE CASE AS THIS 712 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,101 HEARTBROKEN COMMUNITY ATTEMPTS TO HEAL. 713 00:42:48,101 --> 00:42:55,975 >> Reporter: WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THIS WHITE 2011 TO 2013 HYUNDAI 714 00:42:55,975 --> 00:42:57,110 ELANTRA? >> WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING FOR 715 00:42:57,110 --> 00:42:58,278 THIS ELANTRA, WE THOUGHT, "IS THIS A SUSPECT THAT THEY'RE 716 00:42:58,278 --> 00:43:06,519 LOOKING FOR OR A WITNESS?" WE DIDN'T KNOW 717 00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:07,754 THE WAY THAT THEY HAD POSED IT WAS, "WE THINK THEY HAVE 718 00:43:07,754 --> 00:43:08,722 ANSWERS. >> Reporter: ANSWERS TO WHAT, 719 00:43:08,722 --> 00:43:09,823 THEY DIDN'T SAY. >> IF YOU OWN ONE OR IF YOU KNOW 720 00:43:09,823 --> 00:43:11,057 SOMEONE DRIVING ONE THE DAY BEFORE OR DAY AFTER, TO PLEASE 721 00:43:11,057 --> 00:43:18,865 SEND THAT TIP IN >> Reporter: DID PEOPLE RESPOND? 722 00:43:18,865 --> 00:43:31,878 OH, YES, THEY DID. IN MOSCOW, OF COURSE, BUT ACROSS 723 00:43:31,878 --> 00:43:33,079 THE STATE BORDER TOO, WHERE AUSTIN MORRISON IS A STUDENT IN 724 00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:34,381 THE OTHER COLLEGE TOWN A TEN-MILE DRIVE AWAY AT 725 00:43:34,381 --> 00:43:35,215 WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY IN PULLMAN. 726 00:43:35,215 --> 00:43:38,818 >> I DEFINITELY THINK THAT ONCE PEOPLE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE WHITE 727 00:43:38,818 --> 00:43:40,286 ELANTRA, THEY KEPT IN THE FRONT OF THEIR MINDS OF TRYING TO 728 00:43:40,286 --> 00:43:46,993 SOURCE AND FIND ANY CLUES THAT THEY COULD FOR THE POLICE. 729 00:43:46,993 --> 00:43:50,330 >> Reporter: TIPS ABOUT ELANTRA SIGHTINGS POURED IN, INCLUDING 730 00:43:50,330 --> 00:43:54,567 ONE FROM THIS GAS STATION A FEW MINUTES FROM THE SITE OF THE 731 00:43:54,567 --> 00:43:55,635 MURDERS. MURDERS. 732 00:43:55,635 --> 00:43:57,604 AN EMPLOYEE THERE SCROLLED THROUGH SECURITY FOOTAGE FROM 733 00:43:57,604 --> 00:44:04,611 NOVEMBER 13th AND SPOTTED A WHITE CAR DRIVE BY QUICKLY, 734 00:44:04,611 --> 00:44:05,812 3:45 A.M AND THEN, COULD THIS BE A BREAK? 735 00:44:05,812 --> 00:44:11,484 >> MORE THAN A MONTH AFTER THOSE FOUR COLLEGE STUDENTS WERE 736 00:44:11,484 --> 00:44:13,053 KILLED IN MOSCOW, IDAHO, POLICE ARE INVESTIGATING A HYUNDAI CAR 737 00:44:13,053 --> 00:44:15,321 LIKE THIS ONE FOUND ABANDONED IN EUGENE, OREGON 738 00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:17,257 >> Reporter: IN THE MORNING OF DECEMBER 17th, SOMEONE CALLED 739 00:44:17,257 --> 00:44:27,901 911 IN EUGENE, OREGON, REPORTED SEEING SOMEONE SLEEPING INSIDE 740 00:44:27,901 --> 00:44:28,868 OF A WHITE ELANTRA WITH A DAMAGED FRONT END. 741 00:44:28,868 --> 00:44:29,936 AND SUDDENLY THE EUGENE STORY WAS EVERYWHERE 742 00:44:29,936 --> 00:44:36,776 >> SO THIS IS PRETTY WILD. A WHITE HYUNDAI ELANTRA WAS 743 00:44:36,776 --> 00:44:37,944 FOUND ABANDONED. >> THIS CAR WAS FOUND IN EUGENE, 744 00:44:37,944 --> 00:44:38,912 OREGON >> IT'S SMASHED AND HAS NO 745 00:44:38,912 --> 00:44:44,150 LICENSE PLATE ON IT. >> Reporter: THAT MYSTERY GOT AN 746 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:45,385 ARMY OF WEB SLEUTHS FIRED UP, WATCHED BY TRUE CRIME PODCASTERS 747 00:44:45,385 --> 00:44:54,728 LAUREN AND JOHN MATTHIAS >> WE HAVE TRUE CRIME SLEUTHS 748 00:44:54,728 --> 00:44:55,762 WITH -- THAT PAY FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS 749 00:44:55,762 --> 00:44:57,330 AND THEY WERE PULLING UP THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE AND GETTING 750 00:44:57,330 --> 00:44:58,365 THE V.I.N. NUMBER. AND WE WERE GETTING CLOSEUPS OF 751 00:44:58,365 --> 00:44:58,965 THE V.I.N. NUMBER. I MEAN 752 00:44:58,965 --> 00:45:00,033 >> PARKING TICKETS >> PARKING TICKETS 753 00:45:00,033 --> 00:45:08,441 WE HAD EVERYTHING ON THIS ELANTRA. 754 00:45:08,441 --> 00:45:09,642 >> Reporter: BUT LIKE A LOT OF OTHER WEB-BASED FANTASIES, IN 755 00:45:09,642 --> 00:45:10,910 THE END, IT CAME TO NOTHING. POLICE INVESTIGATED AND 756 00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:19,185 DISCOVERED NEITHER THE CAR NOR OWNER HAD ANYTHING WHATEVER TO 757 00:45:19,185 --> 00:45:20,453 DO WITH THE MURDERS IN MOSCOW. AND IT WASN'T THE ONE. 758 00:45:20,453 --> 00:45:21,588 >> AND IT WASN'T THE ONE I GUESS THEY MAKE A LOT OF WHITE 759 00:45:21,588 --> 00:45:23,223 ELANTRAS >> Reporter: WHAT THE WEB 760 00:45:23,223 --> 00:45:25,859 SLEUTHS DIDN'T KNOW WAS THAT BEHIND THE SCENES, POLICE WERE 761 00:45:25,859 --> 00:45:31,664 GATHERING SECURITY CAMERA VIDEO CAPTURING IMAGES OF A WHITE 762 00:45:31,664 --> 00:45:33,867 HYUNDAI ELANTRA DRIVING PAST THE KING ROAD HOUSE THREE TIMES JUST 763 00:45:33,867 --> 00:45:41,741 BEFORE THE MURDERS, RETURNING A FOURTH TIME AT 4:04 A.M., AND 764 00:45:41,741 --> 00:45:48,548 LEAVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A VERY BIG HURRY 16 MINUTES LATER. 765 00:45:48,548 --> 00:45:50,216 NICK GIBSON IS A SENIOR AT WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY AND 766 00:45:50,216 --> 00:45:52,752 A FREELANCE REPORTER >> LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD AN IDEA 767 00:45:52,752 --> 00:45:54,354 OF WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR LONG BEFORE THE PUBLIC WAS AWARE 768 00:45:54,354 --> 00:45:59,125 OF IT. >> Reporter: THAT'S BECAUSE A 769 00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:04,397 B.O.L.O. ALERT -- BE ON THE LOOKOUT -- WAS DISTRIBUTED TO 770 00:46:04,397 --> 00:46:09,169 POLICE AGENCIES NEARLY TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE APPEAL TO THE PUBLIC 771 00:46:09,169 --> 00:46:10,570 FOR TIPS ABOUT A WHITE ELANTRA A CAMPUS COP AT WASHINGTON STATE 772 00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:15,508 UNIVERSITY SAW THAT B.O.L.O. AND TOOK SOME INITIATIVE 773 00:46:15,508 --> 00:46:17,610 >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND SNOBBY ABOUT IT, BUT 774 00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:20,046 YOU'RE NOT LOOKIN' TO CAMPUS POLICE OFFICERS USUALLY. 775 00:46:20,046 --> 00:46:27,754 THEY -- THEIR -- THEIR JOBS ARE BASICALLY WRITING TICKETS ON 776 00:46:27,754 --> 00:46:28,822 CAMPUS BUT THIS SHOWED SOME INITIATIVE, 777 00:46:28,822 --> 00:46:29,789 AND IT WAS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL TO THIS CASE. 778 00:46:29,789 --> 00:46:32,058 >> Reporter: ON NOVEMBER 29th, AFTER THE B.O.L.O. WENT OUT, 779 00:46:32,058 --> 00:46:37,664 THIS CAMPUS COP DID A LITTLE RESEARCH, AS NICK GIBSON TOLD 780 00:46:37,664 --> 00:46:38,732 US >> WSU HAS --, LIKE MANY 781 00:46:38,732 --> 00:46:42,969 UNIVERSITIES OR BIG ENTITIES, THEY HAVE A PARKING SERVICES 782 00:46:42,969 --> 00:46:46,940 DEPARTMENT AND SO ANY UNIVERSITY EMPLOYEES 783 00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:48,274 WILL HAVE THEIR PARKING PASS WITH THEIR REGISTRATION, THEIR 784 00:46:48,274 --> 00:46:54,581 LICENSE PLATE, YOU KNOW, MAKE AND MODEL IN THE SYSTEM ALREADY. 785 00:46:54,581 --> 00:46:57,751 >> Reporter: AND IN THAT SYSTEM IS WHERE THE CAMPUS COP FOUND A 786 00:46:57,751 --> 00:47:01,421 HYUNDAI ELANTRA, WHITE, WITH PENNSYLVANIA PLATES. 787 00:47:01,421 --> 00:47:02,489 THE CAR WAS REGISTERED TO A BRYAN KOHBERGER. 788 00:47:02,489 --> 00:47:07,761 FIRST TIME THAT NAME TURNED UP, ACTUALLY 789 00:47:07,761 --> 00:47:13,533 KOHBERGER WAS A PhD STUDENT IN CRIMINOLOGY AND PART TIME 790 00:47:13,533 --> 00:47:14,601 TEACHING ASSISTANT HE LIVED ON CAMPUS 791 00:47:14,601 --> 00:47:17,771 A SECOND CAMPUS COP WENT OUT TO TAKE A LOOK. 792 00:47:17,771 --> 00:47:19,339 >> SO THAT AREA IS ON CAMPUS HOUSING. 793 00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:22,509 IT'S POPULAR AMONG GRADUATE AND PROFESSIONAL STUDENTS. 794 00:47:22,509 --> 00:47:27,280 >> Reporter: AND THERE IT WAS, IN THE COMPLEX PARKING LOT -- A 795 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,916 WHITE ELANTRA. BUT WAS IT THE CAR THE POLICE 796 00:47:29,916 --> 00:47:32,052 WERE LOOKING FOR OR NOT? THE CAR IN THE LOT HAD 797 00:47:32,052 --> 00:47:36,222 WASHINGTON STATE LICENSE PLATES, NOT PENNSYLVANIA 798 00:47:36,222 --> 00:47:42,062 AND THE B.O.L.O. SAID 2011 TO '13 ELANTRA. 799 00:47:42,062 --> 00:47:43,196 THIS WAS A 2015. BUT THEY TURNED IN THE TIP 800 00:47:43,196 --> 00:47:46,900 ANYWAY AND THEIR SIGHTING WOUND UP ON A 801 00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:51,071 LIST WITH LOTS AND LOTS OF OTHER WHITE ELANTRAS 802 00:47:51,071 --> 00:47:54,174 CORRESPONDENT STEPHANIE GOSK HAS BEEN COVERING THE CASE FOR NBC 803 00:47:54,174 --> 00:47:59,079 NEWS >> WELL, THIS TIME, KEITH, THE 804 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:00,013 TASK FORCE ON THIS CASE IS GETTING INUNDATED WITH 805 00:48:00,013 --> 00:48:05,819 INFORMATION AND A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CAR 806 00:48:05,819 --> 00:48:11,091 SO THEY'VE GOT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION COMING IN, AND IT'S 807 00:48:11,091 --> 00:48:13,259 LIKE A DROP IN THE BUCKET. THEY DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT 808 00:48:13,259 --> 00:48:14,594 TO PURSUE THIS THEY DON'T -- THEY MAY NOT HAVE 809 00:48:14,594 --> 00:48:18,498 THE PEOPLE TO GO AND LOOK AT EVERYONE WITH A REGISTERED WHITE 810 00:48:18,498 --> 00:48:19,666 HYUNDAI ELANTRA WHO POPS >> Reporter: SO IT WAS ON THEIR 811 00:48:19,666 --> 00:48:23,870 LIST, BUT JUST NOT PROMINENTLY ON THEIR LIST? 812 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:29,609 >> IT MUST'VE BEEN A LONG LIST >> Reporter: SO ON THAT LIST IT 813 00:48:29,609 --> 00:48:35,915 SAT, WAITING FOR ATTENTION AND INVESTIGATORS REMAINED IN 814 00:48:35,915 --> 00:48:40,153 THE DARK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR 2015 ELANTRA AND ITS OWNER, 815 00:48:40,153 --> 00:48:44,891 QUITE UNAWARE OF HIM OR HIS PLAN TO TAKE A LONG TRIP CLEAR ACROSS 816 00:48:44,891 --> 00:48:47,060 THE COUNTRY FROM WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY AND FAR OUT OF 817 00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:51,231 REACH OF THOSE DETECTIVES WORKING SO HARD BACK IN MOSCOW 818 00:48:51,231 --> 00:48:53,433 OR SO HE MAY HAVE HOPED. BUT AS HE CELEBRATED THE SEASON, 819 00:48:53,433 --> 00:49:01,207 DID HE WORRY WHAT THEY MIGHT DISCOVER OR WHO MIGHT SOON BE 820 00:49:18,324 --> 00:49:21,494 >> Reporter: MONDAY, DECEMBER 12th, THE START OF 821 00:49:21,494 --> 00:49:30,503 FINAL EXAMS AT WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY ACROSS THE BORDER 822 00:49:30,503 --> 00:49:31,404 FROM IDAHO A PRESSURE COOKER OF A TIME, OF 823 00:49:31,404 --> 00:49:32,339 COURSE, BUT ESPECIALLY NOW SENIOR NICK GIBSON 824 00:49:32,339 --> 00:49:34,140 >> SO IT'S FINALS WEEKS. THEY'RE GRINDING 825 00:49:34,140 --> 00:49:37,811 MANY OF THEM ARE MOURNING. MANY OF THEM ARE FEARING FOR 826 00:49:37,811 --> 00:49:39,079 THEIR SAFETY >> Reporter: WINTER BREAK 827 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:43,616 COULDN'T COME SOON ENOUGH. NICK WAS HEADED HOME LIKE SO 828 00:49:43,616 --> 00:49:46,252 MANY OTHERS. BRYAN KOHBERGER TOO. 829 00:49:46,252 --> 00:49:48,922 HIS DAD HAD FLOWN OUT FROM PENNSYLVANIA TO MAKE A 830 00:49:48,922 --> 00:49:55,261 CROSS-COUNTRY DRIVE HOME WITH HIS SON, 2,800 MILES IN BRYAN'S 831 00:49:55,261 --> 00:49:59,499 WHITE ELANTRA, THE VERY TYPE OF CAR POLICE WERE LOOKING FOR. 832 00:49:59,499 --> 00:50:01,034 >> I WOULD KEEP AN EYE OUT IF I'M DRIVING. 833 00:50:01,034 --> 00:50:03,670 "OH, THERE'S A WHITE CAR IS THAT AN ELANTRA?" 834 00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:10,543 >> Reporter: BUT AS BRYAN AND HIS DAD PULLED OUT OF WASHINGTON 835 00:50:10,543 --> 00:50:11,644 STATE UNIVERSITY, THE POLICE DID NOT YET UNDERSTAND THE 836 00:50:11,644 --> 00:50:17,717 SIGNIFICANCE OF HIS ELANTRA BECAUSE IT WAS AT LEAST TWO 837 00:50:17,717 --> 00:50:19,519 YEARS NEWER THAN THE CAR THEY THOUGHT THEY'D SEEN ON SECURITY 838 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,189 VIDEO NEAR THE MURDERS NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT 839 00:50:23,189 --> 00:50:26,359 STEPHANIE GOSK >> IT WAS A 2015 HYUNDAI 840 00:50:26,359 --> 00:50:29,529 ELANTRA. SO SOMEBODY HAD IT WRONG 841 00:50:29,529 --> 00:50:34,267 >> Reporter: THE KOHBERGERS' CROSS-COUNTRY TRIP STARTED OUT 842 00:50:34,267 --> 00:50:35,435 UNEVENTFULLY ON DECEMBER 13th, THE ELANTRA 843 00:50:35,435 --> 00:50:37,971 PASSED UNDER AN AUTOMATIC LICENSE READER IN LOMA, 844 00:50:37,971 --> 00:50:40,707 COLORADO TWO DAYS LATER, DECEMBER 15th -- 845 00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:47,480 >> HELLO >> HOW YOU DOIN' 846 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,548 >> HOW Y'ALL DOIN' TODAY >> GOOD, GOOD. 847 00:50:48,548 --> 00:50:49,716 TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE REAL QUICK IF I COULD. 848 00:50:49,716 --> 00:50:54,354 >> Reporter: A TRAFFIC STOP IN INDIANA FOR TAILGATING, BRYAN AT 849 00:50:54,354 --> 00:50:56,990 THE WHEEL. >> WE'RE SLIGHTLY PUNCHY BECAUSE 850 00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:59,626 WE'VE BEEN DRIVING FOR HOURS >> HOURS, DAYS 851 00:50:59,626 --> 00:51:01,194 >> HOURS HE'S DRIVING -- WELL, ALMOST A 852 00:51:01,194 --> 00:51:03,830 DAY. IT'S FINE. 853 00:51:03,830 --> 00:51:06,066 DEPUTY: OKAY >> Reporter: MINUTES LATER, A 854 00:51:06,066 --> 00:51:11,237 SECOND TRAFFIC STOP JUST DOWN THE ROAD, STILL IN INDIANA 855 00:51:11,237 --> 00:51:14,407 NO CITATION EITHER TIME. WAS THAT JUST A COINCIDENCE OR 856 00:51:14,407 --> 00:51:16,509 SOMETHING MORE A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THE FBI 857 00:51:16,509 --> 00:51:19,145 WAS FOLLOWING THEM ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY 858 00:51:19,145 --> 00:51:24,951 NOT THE CASE >> AND THERE WAS A THEORY THAT 859 00:51:24,951 --> 00:51:27,620 THEY -- THAT THE FBI ASKED THE INDIANA STATE POLICE TO STOP 860 00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:32,292 THEM ON THE ROAD AND GET THIS VIDEO OF THEM, WHICH SOUNDED 861 00:51:32,292 --> 00:51:34,961 LIKE IT MADE SOME SENSE. BUT OUR SOURCES TELL US IT JUST 862 00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:36,529 WAS NOT THE CASE >> Reporter: ALL PURE 863 00:51:36,529 --> 00:51:42,869 COINCIDENCE? >> PURE COINCIDENCE. 864 00:51:42,869 --> 00:51:45,505 >> Reporter: A DAY LATER, FRIDAY THE 16th, THE ELANTRA ARRIVED AT 865 00:51:45,505 --> 00:51:48,675 ITS FINAL DESTINATION -- ALBRIGHTSVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA, 866 00:51:48,675 --> 00:51:52,912 90 MILES NORTH OF PHILADELPHIA THE KOHBERGER HOME IS IN A GATED 867 00:51:52,912 --> 00:51:54,481 COMMUNITY. BRYAN SETTLED IN FOR THE 868 00:51:54,481 --> 00:52:00,286 HOLIDAYS BACK IN IDAHO, THE WEEK BEFORE 869 00:52:00,286 --> 00:52:03,456 CHRISTMAS, THE INVESTIGATORS FINALLY CAUGHT A VERY BIG BREAK. 870 00:52:03,456 --> 00:52:06,059 DNA FROM THE KNIFE SHEATH FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE HAD BEEN 871 00:52:06,059 --> 00:52:11,931 ANALYZED BY FORENSIC GENETIC GENEALOGISTS 872 00:52:11,931 --> 00:52:13,366 A LAW ENFORCEMENT SOURCE TOLD US THE GENEALOGISTS SUGGESTED 873 00:52:13,366 --> 00:52:20,907 INVESTIGATORS FOCUS ON A PARTICULAR FAMILY TREE 874 00:52:20,907 --> 00:52:29,349 >> OUR SOURCE TELLS US THEY GOT A LIST, A SMALL ENOUGH LIST THAT 875 00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:30,417 THEY GOT A NAME. >> Reporter: A NAME IN THE 876 00:52:30,417 --> 00:52:31,985 IMMEDIATE FAMILY OF BRYAN KOHBERGER. 877 00:52:31,985 --> 00:52:34,754 THE COPS WENT INTO HYPERDRIVE. TWO DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS, THEY 878 00:52:34,754 --> 00:52:37,257 USED THAT DNA INFORMATION TO OBTAIN A SEARCH WARRANT FOR 879 00:52:37,257 --> 00:52:43,096 BRYAN'S CELL PHONE RECORDS AND FOUND A TREASURE TROVE 880 00:52:43,096 --> 00:52:46,766 LIKE THE FACT THAT KOHBERGER'S PHONE WAS NEARLY ALWAYS ON BUT 881 00:52:46,766 --> 00:52:52,539 APPEARED TO BE OFF ON NOVEMBER 13th FROM 2:47 A.M. TO 882 00:52:52,539 --> 00:52:54,274 4:48 A.M., A WINDOW THAT INCLUDES THE TIME POLICE BELIEVE 883 00:52:54,274 --> 00:53:00,046 THE FOUR UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO STUDENTS WERE MURDERED 884 00:53:00,046 --> 00:53:06,386 AND JUST A FEW HOURS LATER, KOHBERGER'S PHONE PINGED NEAR 885 00:53:06,386 --> 00:53:08,955 1122 KING ROAD, AS IF HE WERE REVISITING THE CRIME SCENE 886 00:53:08,955 --> 00:53:10,256 IT TURNED OUT HE WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE KING ROAD 887 00:53:10,256 --> 00:53:13,693 HOUSE. HIS PHONE PINGED NEAR IT 888 00:53:13,693 --> 00:53:16,863 REPEATEDLY IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS BEFORE THE MURDERS. 889 00:53:16,863 --> 00:53:21,101 >> NOT ONLY ONCE, NOT ONLY TWICE, BUT 12 TIMES. 890 00:53:21,101 --> 00:53:24,270 >> Reporter: NEXT INVESTIGATORS GOT THEIR HANDS ON COPIES OF 891 00:53:24,270 --> 00:53:28,508 SECURITY CAMERA VIDEO FROM WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY AND 892 00:53:28,508 --> 00:53:31,644 THE CITY OF PULLMAN, WHERE WSU IS LOCATED 893 00:53:31,644 --> 00:53:38,184 A WHITE ELANTRA WAS SEEN LEAVING AND REENTERING PULLMAN RIGHT 894 00:53:38,184 --> 00:53:39,386 AROUND THE TIME OF THE MURDERS THE ELANTRA POLICE WERE HOPING 895 00:53:39,386 --> 00:53:42,722 TO SEE >> KOHBERGER'S ELANTRA IS 896 00:53:42,722 --> 00:53:44,391 SPOTTED TRAVELING TOWARDS MOSCOW RIGHT BEFORE THE WINDOW WHERE 897 00:53:44,391 --> 00:53:49,629 THE ELANTRA IS SEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE KING ROAD 898 00:53:49,629 --> 00:53:52,799 RESIDENCE. THAT ELANTRA IS THEN SEEN AGAIN 899 00:53:52,799 --> 00:53:57,103 REENTERING TOWN AROUND 5:26 A.M. >> Reporter: THAT WHITE ELANTRA, 900 00:53:57,103 --> 00:53:59,139 POLICE FINALLY REALIZED, WAS IT, THE ONE THEY'D BEEN SEARCHING 901 00:53:59,139 --> 00:54:02,842 FOR. IT WAS A 2015, NOT AN EARLIER 902 00:54:02,842 --> 00:54:05,545 MODEL. THE SAME ELANTRA DISCOVERED BY 903 00:54:05,545 --> 00:54:08,648 THAT WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS SECURITY OFFICER WEEKS 904 00:54:08,648 --> 00:54:10,216 EARLIER. IT ALL CAME TOGETHER 905 00:54:10,216 --> 00:54:14,454 THE VIDEOS OF KOHBERGER'S MOVEMENTS. 906 00:54:14,454 --> 00:54:18,458 THE 2015 ELANTRA THE CELL RECORDS 907 00:54:18,458 --> 00:54:22,429 TOGETHER WITH THE DNA, THE POLICE FINALLY HAD A SUSPECT 908 00:54:22,429 --> 00:54:26,166 >> IF THEY HAD NOT USED THAT FORENSIC GENEALOGY, THEY MIGHT 909 00:54:26,166 --> 00:54:28,268 NEVER HAVE IDENTIFIED HIM. >> Reporter: THEY'D HAVE THE 910 00:54:28,268 --> 00:54:32,439 MATERIAL RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM UNDER A BIG STACK OF OTHER 911 00:54:32,439 --> 00:54:36,109 STUFF ABOUT WHITE ELANTRAS BUT NO WAY - 912 00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:37,377 >> RIGHT, HIS NAME GAVE THEM THE CELL PHONE NUMBER, AND IT WASN'T 913 00:54:37,377 --> 00:54:39,346 UNTIL THEY GOT THE CELL PHONE NUMBER THAT THEY COULD PUT THE 914 00:54:39,346 --> 00:54:46,686 CELL PHONE AND THE CAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE SAME TIME. 915 00:54:46,686 --> 00:54:48,788 >> Reporter: AS CHRISTMAS CAME AND WENT, FBI AGENTS WERE 916 00:54:48,788 --> 00:54:55,128 WATCHING THE KOHBERGER HOME IN PENNSYLVANIA 917 00:54:55,128 --> 00:54:56,596 ON DECEMBER 27th, THEY PULLED TRASH AT THE HOME AND FLEW IT 918 00:54:56,596 --> 00:54:59,899 ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO THE IDAHO STATE LAB FOR TESTING. 919 00:54:59,899 --> 00:55:02,535 THEY GOT THE RESULTS THE NEXT DAY. 920 00:55:02,535 --> 00:55:09,943 >> THE DNA THAT THEY GOT THEY REALIZED WAS FROM THE PERSON WHO 921 00:55:09,943 --> 00:55:13,646 WAS VERY, VERY, VERY LIKELY TO BE THE FATHER OF THE PERSON WHO 922 00:55:13,646 --> 00:55:15,749 COMMITTED THE CRIME. NOW, WE KNOW BRYAN KOHBERGER IS 923 00:55:15,749 --> 00:55:20,053 WITH HIS PARENTS SO THE DNA THAT THEY PULL THEY 924 00:55:20,053 --> 00:55:25,225 SUSPECT IS HIS FATHER, THE FATHER OF THE PERSON WHO 925 00:55:25,225 --> 00:55:27,861 COMMITTED THE MURDER >> Reporter: THINGS HAPPENED 926 00:55:27,861 --> 00:55:31,064 FAST AFTER THAT. IN THE PREDAWN DARKNESS OF 927 00:55:31,064 --> 00:55:33,133 DECEMBER 30th, 50 AGENTS FROM THE FBI AND THE PENNSYLVANIA 928 00:55:33,133 --> 00:55:39,472 STATE POLICE'S SPECIAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM SURROUNDED THE 929 00:55:39,472 --> 00:55:41,107 KOHBERGER HOUSE. >> KOHBERGER WOULD'VE BEEN 930 00:55:41,107 --> 00:55:43,176 CONSIDERED A VERY HIGH RISK TARGET 931 00:55:43,176 --> 00:55:47,414 >> Reporter: PAM FLICK, A FORMER FBI AGENT WITH THREE DECADES OF 932 00:55:47,414 --> 00:55:51,618 EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD. >> HE HAS ALLEGEDLY MURDERED 933 00:55:51,618 --> 00:55:56,923 FOUR PEOPLE USING A KNIFE. IT'S A PRETTY VIOLENT CRIME. 934 00:55:56,923 --> 00:55:57,957 >> Reporter: THE AGENTS WENT IN WITH FORCE 935 00:55:57,957 --> 00:56:00,093 THEY BROKE MULTIPLE WINDOWS AND DOORS TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE 936 00:56:00,093 --> 00:56:02,729 HOUSE. >> IT'S A DYNAMIC ENTRY. 937 00:56:02,729 --> 00:56:06,933 SO KICKING IN WINDOWS AND DOORS IS AN EXTREMELY DYNAMIC ENTRY, 938 00:56:06,933 --> 00:56:14,774 RIGHT? IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DONE 939 00:56:14,774 --> 00:56:15,909 TYPICALLY ALL THE TIME >> Reporter: BRYAN KOHBERGER WAS 940 00:56:15,909 --> 00:56:21,181 UNDER ARREST, TAKEN INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT INCIDENT 941 00:56:21,181 --> 00:56:25,518 IT WOULD BE SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE THE WORLD LEARNED THE NEWS 942 00:56:25,518 --> 00:56:29,122 AND AFTER THAT, ALL ANYBODY WANTED TO KNOW WAS -- WHO WAS 943 00:56:29,122 --> 00:56:34,361 BRYAN KOHBERGER? YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET SOME PEOPLE 944 00:56:54,614 --> 00:56:55,782 >> Reporter: BRIAN SHEEHAN, GENERAL ASSIGNMENT REPORTER AT 945 00:56:55,782 --> 00:57:04,190 NBC10 IN PHILADELPHIA, WAS ON THE EARLY SHIFT ON 946 00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:07,360 DECEMBER 30th. THE NEWS DAY LOOKED SLUGGISH 947 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,828 UNTIL A HOT TIP CAME IN. >> I GET A PHONE CALL FROM MY 948 00:57:08,828 --> 00:57:10,030 ASSIGNMENT MANAGER SAYING, "WE NEED YOU TO GET TO THE POCONOS 949 00:57:10,030 --> 00:57:15,802 WE THINK THEY HAVE THE SUSPECT IN THE IDAHO MURDER CASE." 950 00:57:15,802 --> 00:57:23,710 I WENT, "WHAT, THE IDAHO MURDER SUSPECT IN PENNSYLVANIA? 951 00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:25,812 >> Reporter: HE RACED TO THE POCONOS, A MOUNTAINOUS REGION 952 00:57:25,812 --> 00:57:29,549 90 MILES NORTH OF PHILADELPHIA HE WORKED HIS PHONES ON THE WAY. 953 00:57:29,549 --> 00:57:34,287 HIS COLLEAGUES WERE AT IT TOO. IF THEY WERE GOING TO BREAK ONE 954 00:57:34,287 --> 00:57:35,488 OF THE BIGGEST STORIES IN THE COUNTRY, THEY HAD TO NAIL THE 955 00:57:35,488 --> 00:57:36,456 FACTS. >> IT WAS A LOT OF BACK AND 956 00:57:36,456 --> 00:57:37,557 FORTH. AND WE HAD MULTIPLE SOURCES TELL 957 00:57:37,557 --> 00:57:38,758 US, "THIS IS THE GUY." >> LIVE IN EAST STROUDSBURG -- 958 00:57:38,758 --> 00:57:42,262 >> Reporter: BY MIDMORNING, THEY HAD IT BUTTONED UP 959 00:57:42,262 --> 00:57:46,433 A SUSPECT WAS IN CUSTODY BRIAN BROKE THE NEWS 960 00:57:46,433 --> 00:57:48,635 >> THIS MORNING WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT A PERSON OF INTEREST 961 00:57:48,635 --> 00:57:53,306 TAKEN INTO CUSTODY >> Reporter: AS THE DAY WENT BY, 962 00:57:53,306 --> 00:57:54,407 EVERYONE LEARNED MORE. >> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WE 963 00:57:54,407 --> 00:57:58,578 HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL IN CUSTODY WHO COMMITTED THESE HORRIBLE 964 00:57:58,578 --> 00:57:59,713 CRIMES >> Reporter: WHEN CASEY ARNTZ 965 00:57:59,713 --> 00:58:03,416 HEARD THE NAME BRYAN KOHBERGER, SHE WAS STUNNED AND TURNED TO 966 00:58:03,416 --> 00:58:04,918 TIKTOK >> I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH THE 967 00:58:04,918 --> 00:58:07,554 KID. I WAS FRIENDS WITH HIM 968 00:58:07,554 --> 00:58:08,588 I WOULDN'T MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP. 969 00:58:08,588 --> 00:58:14,394 I AM JUST IN ABSOLUTE SHOCK RIGHT NOW. 970 00:58:14,394 --> 00:58:15,895 >> Reporter: CASEY MET BRYAN KOHBERGER YEARS AGO WHEN 971 00:58:15,895 --> 00:58:16,830 THEY RODE THE SCHOOL BUS TOGETHER IN EASTERN 972 00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:29,209 PENNSYLVANIA HE WAS A YEAR YOUNGER THAN HER, 973 00:58:29,209 --> 00:58:36,649 AN OVERWEIGHT KID, SHE SAID, AND A MEMBER OF THEIR LITTLE GANG. 974 00:58:36,649 --> 00:58:38,184 >> HE WAS LAUGHING, AND HE WAS ALWAYS FUN AROUND OUR FRIEND 975 00:58:38,184 --> 00:58:39,319 GROUP 'CAUSE HE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH US, WHICH WAS NICE. 976 00:58:39,319 --> 00:58:41,321 BUT FROM -- I'M HEARING FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT HE GOT BULLIED 977 00:58:41,321 --> 00:58:45,558 FOR HIS WEIGHT >> Reporter: BULLIED EVEN BY 978 00:58:45,558 --> 00:58:47,127 SOME OF THE GIRLS, SAID CASEY. SHE THOUGHT AT ONE POINT BRYAN 979 00:58:47,127 --> 00:58:49,262 MIGHT HAVE HAD A CRUSH ON HER -- NOT THAT THEY EVER DATED 980 00:58:49,262 --> 00:58:52,432 >> HE WOULD, LIKE, COMPLIMENT ME AND STUFF. 981 00:58:52,432 --> 00:58:54,534 I REMEMBER I HAD DYED MY HAIR RED ONE TIME, AND IT WAS, LIKE, 982 00:58:54,534 --> 00:58:59,305 RED-RED. YEAH, IT WAS POPPED. 983 00:58:59,305 --> 00:59:03,009 AND HE SAID IT LOOKED GOOD AND THAT IT WAS MORE RED THAN 984 00:59:03,009 --> 00:59:04,244 ORANGE >> Reporter: CASEY GRADUATED 985 00:59:04,244 --> 00:59:09,349 FROM HIGH SCHOOL FIRST BUT STAYED IN TOUCH WITH BRYAN 986 00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:13,019 HE MESSAGED HER WHEN HE GRADUATED. 987 00:59:13,019 --> 00:59:14,154 AT SOME POINT, SHE LEARNED HE'D DEVELOPED A HEROIN HABIT 988 00:59:14,154 --> 00:59:20,627 BUT HE TOLD HER HE WENT TO REHAB. 989 00:59:20,627 --> 00:59:22,028 THEY LOST TOUCH AFTER THAT UNTIL, IN 2017, CASEY WENT TO A 990 00:59:22,028 --> 00:59:28,902 WEDDING, SAW BRYAN THERE, AND WAS STUNNED. 991 00:59:28,902 --> 00:59:31,037 HE WAS THIN NOW. LOOKED, SHE SAID, LIKE HE'D 992 00:59:31,037 --> 00:59:34,207 GOTTEN HIS LIFE BACK TOGETHER. >> IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE, 993 00:59:34,207 --> 00:59:37,310 "HOLY CRAP, THAT'S BRYAN HE LOOKS SO GOOD." 994 00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:41,114 >> Reporter: SHE GAVE HIM A HUG, WHICH IS WHEN SHE REALIZED, SHE 995 00:59:41,114 --> 00:59:46,319 SAID, HE WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE IN THAT SOCIAL SETTING 996 00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:47,887 >> I THINK BRYAN WAS KINDA WEIRDED OUT THAT I DID HUG HIM 997 00:59:47,887 --> 00:59:53,693 BUT HE STILL RETURNED THE HUG. IT WAS JUST A REALLY AWKWARD 998 00:59:53,693 --> 00:59:54,794 HUG. >> Reporter: THEY CAUGHT UP. 999 00:59:54,794 --> 01:00:00,567 HE TOLD HER HE WANTED TO STUDY CRIMINOLOGY. 1000 01:00:00,567 --> 01:00:04,771 BUT SHE DIDN'T SEE HIM ENGAGE WITH OTHERS ONCE THAT NIGHT. 1001 01:00:04,771 --> 01:00:06,573 SAID HE WAS CLOSED OFF, QUIET. >> HE DID NOT DANCE. 1002 01:00:06,573 --> 01:00:17,984 HE DID NOT TALK TO ANYONE ELSE HE WAS JUST KINDA THERE. 1003 01:00:17,984 --> 01:00:19,152 >> Reporter: CASEY WASN'T THE ONLY ONE FLOORED BY BRYAN'S 1004 01:00:19,152 --> 01:00:20,220 ARREST A FORMER CLASSMATE NAMED MADISON 1005 01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:24,858 WAS TOO. SHE STUDIED WITH HIM AT DeSALES 1006 01:00:24,858 --> 01:00:29,929 UNIVERSITY, A PRIVATE CATHOLIC COLLEGE SET IN THE HILLS OF 1007 01:00:29,929 --> 01:00:30,930 EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA >> IT DEFINITELY TOOK ME BY 1008 01:00:30,930 --> 01:00:32,432 SHOCK. AND ESPECIALLY HIS MUGSHOT 1009 01:00:32,432 --> 01:00:37,037 HE LOOKED A LOT SKINNIER THAN I REMEMBERED HIM BEING 1010 01:00:37,037 --> 01:00:41,274 >> Reporter: LAST TIME SHE SAW HIM, SHE THINKS, WAS IN 2020 1011 01:00:41,274 --> 01:00:46,012 THEY'D TAKEN A CRIMINOLOGY COURSE TOGETHER IN HER JUNIOR 1012 01:00:46,012 --> 01:00:48,248 YEAR THAT WAS 2018. 1013 01:00:48,248 --> 01:00:52,852 WHAT STUCK WITH HER WAS HOW BRYAN ALWAYS HAD TO LET EVERYONE 1014 01:00:52,852 --> 01:00:56,823 IN CLASS KNOW HE KNEW HIS STUFF. WHICH, SHE SAID, BECAME 1015 01:00:56,823 --> 01:01:02,896 ANNOYING >> WHENEVER HE RAISED HIS HAND, 1016 01:01:02,896 --> 01:01:04,531 HE DEFINITELY TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, 1017 01:01:04,531 --> 01:01:09,135 BUT YET THEN GIVE EVERY SINGLE DETAIL THAT HE POSSIBLY COULD TO 1018 01:01:09,135 --> 01:01:10,804 HELP FURTHER HIS POINT IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE, "OH, BRYAN'S 1019 01:01:10,804 --> 01:01:14,507 ANSWERING THIS QUESTION. THIS IS GONNA TAKE UP THE WHOLE 1020 01:01:14,507 --> 01:01:16,609 ENTIRE CLASS." >> Reporter: THERE WAS SOMETHING 1021 01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:21,614 ELSE, SHE SAID NOT QUITE CREEPY BUT ODD 1022 01:01:21,614 --> 01:01:26,119 >> HE WOULD STARE AT US. HE DEFINITELY HAD VERY PROMINENT 1023 01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:27,620 EYES SO I FELT LIKE WHENEVER ME AND 1024 01:01:27,620 --> 01:01:30,457 MY FRIENDS WOULD KINDA, LIKE, LOOK OVER TO THE SIDE, DEPENDING 1025 01:01:30,457 --> 01:01:34,627 ON WHERE HE WAS SITTING NEAR US, LIKE, I WOULD ALWAYS CATCH HIM 1026 01:01:34,627 --> 01:01:39,899 STARING AT US. HE WOULDN'T EVER REALLY TRY TO 1027 01:01:39,899 --> 01:01:40,967 TALK TO US >> Reporter: SMALL AS DeSALES 1028 01:01:40,967 --> 01:01:48,274 WAS, MADISON DOESN'T REMEMBER SEEING BRYAN ANYWHERE ELSE ON 1029 01:01:48,274 --> 01:01:49,409 CAMPUS NOT IN THE LIBRARY, NOT HANGING 1030 01:01:49,409 --> 01:01:53,013 IN THE CAFETERIA NO WALKING THROUGH CAMPUS. 1031 01:01:53,013 --> 01:01:56,182 >> I TRULY ONLY SAW HIM IN CLASS. 1032 01:01:56,182 --> 01:01:59,352 >> Reporter: ON JANUARY 3rd, BRYAN KOHBERGER APPEARED IN A 1033 01:01:59,352 --> 01:02:01,488 PENNSYLVANIA COURT JASON LaBAR, MONROE COUNTY'S 1034 01:02:01,488 --> 01:02:04,090 CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER, REPRESENTED HIM. 1035 01:02:04,090 --> 01:02:08,294 >> HE WAS VERY OPEN AND UPFRONT AND HONEST WITH ME 1036 01:02:08,294 --> 01:02:13,566 >> Reporter: LaBAR REPEATED WHAT BRYAN TOLD HIM FROM THE START -- 1037 01:02:13,566 --> 01:02:14,367 THAT HE WANTED TO WAIVE EXTRADITION. 1038 01:02:14,367 --> 01:02:17,270 >> HE'S EAGER TO GET BACK TO IDAHO SO THAT HE WILL BE 1039 01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:20,440 EXONERATED OF THE CHARGES, IMPLICITLY MEANING THAT HE'S 1040 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,977 INNOCENT OF THE CHARGES. >> Reporter: BRYAN'S FAMILY WAS 1041 01:02:23,977 --> 01:02:27,347 AT THE HEARING TOO MOM, DAD, TWO SISTERS. 1042 01:02:27,347 --> 01:02:34,187 THEY WERE SHOCKED, LaBAR SAID, BUT SUPPORTIVE 1043 01:02:34,187 --> 01:02:36,389 AND THEN IT WAS OVER BRYAN KOHBERGER WAS ON A PLANE, 1044 01:02:36,389 --> 01:02:44,297 HEADING WEST TO THE PLACE WHERE HE'D ARRIVED ONLY A FEW MONTHS 1045 01:02:44,297 --> 01:03:06,619 BEFORE, HIS WHOLE LIFE AHEAD OF HIM THEN 1046 01:03:06,619 --> 01:03:09,289 >> Reporter: BRYAN KOHBERGER, BY MANY ACCOUNTS, HAD GROWN UP AN 1047 01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:11,891 AWKWARD TEEN IN PENNSYLVANIA BUT BY LAST JUNE, IT SEEMED HE 1048 01:03:11,891 --> 01:03:13,460 HAD GOTTEN HIS LIFE TOGETHER, GRADUATING FROM DESALES 1049 01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:19,065 UNIVERSITY WITH A MASTERS IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE 1050 01:03:19,065 --> 01:03:24,571 SOON AFTER HE HEADED WEST TO WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY TO 1051 01:03:24,571 --> 01:03:26,172 START THE PhD PROGRAM IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE THERE 1052 01:03:26,172 --> 01:03:35,148 >> HE GRADED PAPERS AND OCCASIONALLY WOULD SPEAK TO THE 1053 01:03:35,148 --> 01:03:37,150 CLASS ABOUT STUFF. >> Reporter: HAYDEN STINCHFIELD 1054 01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:38,818 IS A JUNIOR IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROGRAM AT WSU 1055 01:03:38,818 --> 01:03:43,623 BRYAN WAS ONE OF HIS TEACHING ASSISTANTS 1056 01:03:43,623 --> 01:03:44,791 HAYDEN SAID HE WAS NOT THE KIND OF TA TO HANG AROUND AFTER 1057 01:03:44,791 --> 01:03:46,760 CLASS. >> I THINK HE GOT OUT BEFORE WE 1058 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,731 DID. PROBABLY 'CAUSE HE HAD TO BE 1059 01:03:51,731 --> 01:03:52,932 SOMEWHERE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE HE HAD NO REASON TO STICK AROUND. 1060 01:03:52,932 --> 01:03:54,100 LIKE, BECAUSE NO ONE WAS GONNA GO UP AND TALK TO HIM. 1061 01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:54,968 YOU KNOW, HE - >> Reporter: HE WAS NOT REALLY 1062 01:03:54,968 --> 01:03:55,835 APPROACHABLE >> YEAH, HE -- HE -- EXACTLY 1063 01:03:55,835 --> 01:03:58,405 HE WASN'T A SUPER APPROACHABLE GUY. 1064 01:03:58,405 --> 01:04:03,143 >> Reporter: INITIALLY, HAYDEN WAS NOT HAPPY WITH BRYAN, AND HE 1065 01:04:03,143 --> 01:04:05,278 WASN'T ALONE HE WAS THE GUY WHO WAS GRADING 1066 01:04:05,278 --> 01:04:06,846 YOUR PAPERS. AND HE GRADED THEM HARSHLY 1067 01:04:06,846 --> 01:04:10,050 >> YEAH. YEAH, DEFINITELY 1068 01:04:10,050 --> 01:04:12,152 HE HAD A TENDENCY TO GO THROUGH YOUR WORK. 1069 01:04:12,152 --> 01:04:15,321 HE WOULD BE LIKE, "WELL, WHAT I WOULD'VE DONE HERE IS I WOULD'VE 1070 01:04:15,321 --> 01:04:18,491 INCLUDED ALL THIS INFORMATION. AND I WOULD'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS 1071 01:04:18,491 --> 01:04:19,626 THIS WAY." AND THEN HE WOULD GRADE YOU DOWN 1072 01:04:19,626 --> 01:04:24,931 FOR THAT AND THAT WAS ALWAYS ANNOYING TO 1073 01:04:24,931 --> 01:04:27,567 US BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, "WELL, WE -- YOU'RE NOT TELLING US WE 1074 01:04:27,567 --> 01:04:28,501 DID IT WRONG YOU'RE TELLING US HOW YOU 1075 01:04:28,501 --> 01:04:30,303 WOULD'VE DONE IT AT YOUR PhD LEVEL. 1076 01:04:30,303 --> 01:04:31,171 AND THEN YOU'RE TAKING OUR POINTS FOR IT. 1077 01:04:31,171 --> 01:04:32,339 >> Reporter: HAYDEN SAID THAT GRADING STYLE CONTINUED FOR 1078 01:04:32,339 --> 01:04:36,443 WEEKS. AND THEN IT CHANGED. 1079 01:04:36,443 --> 01:04:38,545 QUITE SUDDENLY AND NOW HE WONDERS WAS THE 1080 01:04:38,545 --> 01:04:42,248 CHANGE SOMEHOW RELATED TO THE MURDERS? 1081 01:04:42,248 --> 01:04:44,417 >> AT A CERTAIN POINT, HE STARTED JUST GIVING EVERYONE 1082 01:04:44,417 --> 01:04:47,520 100s AND, LIKE -- OR, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SUPER HIGH MARKS 1083 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,690 AND HE STOPPED LEAVING NOTES AND SO THAT SORT OF, LIKE -- BY 1084 01:04:50,690 --> 01:04:54,928 THE END OF THE SEMESTER, NO ONE WAS THINKING ABOUT THE LITTLE 1085 01:04:54,928 --> 01:04:56,162 DEDUCTIONS FROM EARLIER BECAUSE A MONTH AND A HALF STRAIGHT OF 1086 01:04:56,162 --> 01:05:01,835 JUST 100s DOESN'T REALLY -- YOU KNOW, LIKE, KIND OF EVENS -- 1087 01:05:01,835 --> 01:05:03,370 >> Reporter: WHEN DID -- >> --IT OUT 1088 01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:04,437 >> Reporter: --THAT CHANGE? >> YEAH, EXACTLY, RIGHT? 1089 01:05:04,437 --> 01:05:05,705 LOOKING BACK, IT LINES UP PRETTY WELL ALSO WITH OBVIOUSLY, LIKE, 1090 01:05:05,705 --> 01:05:10,043 NOVEMBER 12th, 13th, LIKE, THROUGH THERE. 1091 01:05:10,043 --> 01:05:12,746 >> Reporter: WHICH WAS OF COURSE THE DATE OF THE MURDERS. 1092 01:05:12,746 --> 01:05:18,184 COULD HAVE BEEN A COINCIDENCE OF COURSE 1093 01:05:18,184 --> 01:05:19,452 HAYDEN IS PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY ONE LOOKING BACK NOW, WONDERING 1094 01:05:19,452 --> 01:05:26,626 IF BRYAN KOHBERGER'S BEHAVIOR CHANGED AFTER THE MURDERS. 1095 01:05:26,626 --> 01:05:30,063 DR. JOHN MATTHIAS, PODCAST HOST AND FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST, SAID 1096 01:05:30,063 --> 01:05:31,398 IT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING FOR THE KILLER -- WHOEVER IT IS -- 1097 01:05:31,398 --> 01:05:37,704 TO BE TRANSFORMED AFTER THE MURDERS. 1098 01:05:37,704 --> 01:05:44,077 >> I THINK THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD A LOT OF FANTASIES OF 1099 01:05:44,077 --> 01:05:55,288 REVENGE AND A LOT OF VIOLENT AND AGGRESSIVE IMPULSES OVER THE 1100 01:05:55,288 --> 01:05:56,423 YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WEIGHING HEAVILY ON HIM. 1101 01:05:56,423 --> 01:05:57,590 AND THEY'VE CREATED A LOT OF ANXIETY AND A LOT OF DISTRESS, 1102 01:05:57,590 --> 01:05:58,625 AND I SEE THIS AS BEING KIND OF A RELEASE FOR HIM. 1103 01:05:58,625 --> 01:06:00,460 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS KNOW CRIMINALS S 1104 01:06:00,460 --> 01:06:05,732 SCENE OF THEIR CRIME AND WE KNOW BRYAN DID DRIVE PAST 1105 01:06:05,732 --> 01:06:12,772 THE HOUSE ON KING ROAD HOURS AFTER THE MURDERS. 1106 01:06:12,772 --> 01:06:16,843 AND THEN THERE WAS THIS LOOK AT THESE IMAGES OF A VIGIL FOR THE 1107 01:06:16,843 --> 01:06:18,478 IDAHO VICTIMS ON NOVEMBER 30th ONLINE SLEUTHS GOT EXCITED BY 1108 01:06:18,478 --> 01:06:24,751 THIS MAN WALKING BY, HANDS IN HIS POCKET 1109 01:06:24,751 --> 01:06:28,722 "BLUE COAT GUY" THEY CALLED HIM. MANY ONLINE BELIEVED THIS WAS 1110 01:06:28,722 --> 01:06:30,957 BRYAN KOHBERGER. AND? 1111 01:06:30,957 --> 01:06:34,260 HE WAS NOT WASN'T HIM AT ALL. 1112 01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:37,964 AND THE VIRAL THEORY COLLAPSED SOUNDLY DEBUNKED 1113 01:06:37,964 --> 01:06:50,110 A CAUTIONARY TALE, GIVEN ALL THE RUMORS FLYING AROUND 1114 01:06:50,110 --> 01:06:51,711 ON THE OTHER HAND, AS THE INVESTIGATION CONTINUES, POLICE 1115 01:06:51,711 --> 01:06:52,979 ARE LOOKING SERIOUSLY AT ANOTHER POSSIBLE "SIGHTING" OF BRYAN -- 1116 01:06:52,979 --> 01:06:56,249 ON A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT BEARING THE NAME POPPA RODGER AND THIS 1117 01:06:56,249 --> 01:06:59,119 IMAGE. AMATEUR SLEUTHS AND POLICE 1118 01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:04,924 INVESTIGATORS ARE SIFTING THROUGH OLD POSTS, TRYING TO 1119 01:07:04,924 --> 01:07:06,292 DETERMINE IF PAPPA RODGER WAS ACTUALLY BRYAN KOHBERGER 1120 01:07:06,292 --> 01:07:08,628 HERE'S ONE OF PAPPA RODGER'S POSTS. 1121 01:07:08,628 --> 01:07:12,332 "OF THE EVIDENCE RELEASED THE MURDER WEAPON HAS BEEN 1122 01:07:12,332 --> 01:07:15,502 CONSISTENT AS A LARGE FIXED BLADE KNIFE. 1123 01:07:15,502 --> 01:07:19,172 THIS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THEY FOUND THE SHEATH." 1124 01:07:19,172 --> 01:07:20,774 BUT THAT WAS POSTED NOVEMBER 30th. 1125 01:07:20,774 --> 01:07:27,113 LAW ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T REVEAL THEY FOUND A KNIFE SHEATH UNTIL 1126 01:07:27,113 --> 01:07:33,453 JANUARY 5th. SO WAS IT A WILD GUESS 1127 01:07:33,453 --> 01:07:34,788 OR SOMETHING MORE? DR. JOHN AND LAUREN MATTHIAS 1128 01:07:34,788 --> 01:07:36,790 HAVE BEEN STUDYING PAPPA RODGER'S POSTS 1129 01:07:36,790 --> 01:07:39,292 >> THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WOULD -- THAT WOULD KNOW OR SPECULATE 1130 01:07:39,292 --> 01:07:45,065 THAT A SHEATH WAS LEFT BEHIND HAD TO BE VERY LIMITED 1131 01:07:45,065 --> 01:07:47,267 >> HE GOT IN AN ARGUMENT ABOUT SOMEONE WITH THE SHEATH, 1132 01:07:47,267 --> 01:07:48,535 DEFENDING WHY SOMEONE -- SOMEONE WAS, LIKE, "WHY WOULD SOMEONE BE 1133 01:07:48,535 --> 01:07:50,337 DUMB ENOUGH TO LEAVE A SHEATH BEHIND?" 1134 01:07:50,337 --> 01:07:53,606 AND THE GUY IS, LIKE, "WELL, YOU WOULD JUST CARRY A KNIFE AROUND 1135 01:07:53,606 --> 01:07:54,541 WITHOUT ONE?" LIKE, HE GOT REALLY DEFENSIVE - 1136 01:07:54,541 --> 01:07:56,242 >> RIGHT SOMEBODY WAS QUESTIONING THE -- 1137 01:07:56,242 --> 01:08:01,147 THE CRIMINAL'S INTELLIGENCE, WHICH YOU DON'T DO WITH 1138 01:08:01,147 --> 01:08:11,491 BRYAN KOHBERGER. >> Reporter: AND THIS WAS A KIND 1139 01:08:11,491 --> 01:08:12,559 OF AGGRESSIVE RESPONSE TO THAT -- TO THAT QUESTION 1140 01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:14,661 IN DECEMBER, PAPPA RODGER PEPPERED THE FORUM WITH 1141 01:08:14,661 --> 01:08:15,729 QUESTIONS. DELVING INTO DETAILED 1142 01:08:15,729 --> 01:08:17,297 DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE TIMELINE THE NIGHT OF THE MURDERS 1143 01:08:17,297 --> 01:08:20,033 SOUNDING LIKE A PERSON OBSESSED. OR SCARED. 1144 01:08:20,033 --> 01:08:27,907 THE MATTHIAS' SAY BRYAN HIMSELF COULD HAVE BEEN FEELING THAT 1145 01:08:27,907 --> 01:08:29,476 WAY. >> I THINK HE WAS SCARED 1146 01:08:29,476 --> 01:08:31,044 WITH THAT SHEATH MISSING, HE CERTAINLY WAS WORRIED. 1147 01:08:31,044 --> 01:08:31,945 >> Reporter: THERE WAS A LOOSE END OUT THERE. 1148 01:08:31,945 --> 01:08:33,813 HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE OTHER LOOSE ENDS, OF THE CAR 1149 01:08:33,813 --> 01:08:37,517 MOVEMENTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. BUT HE'D CERTAINLY KNOW THAT HE 1150 01:08:37,517 --> 01:08:39,519 LEFT THE SHEATH BEHIND >> YEAH. 1151 01:08:39,519 --> 01:08:40,653 >> Reporter: THOSE KNIVES WITHOUT A SHEATH ARE DANGEROUS 1152 01:08:40,653 --> 01:08:44,491 THINGS TO HAVE -- HOLDING IN YOUR HAND. 1153 01:08:44,491 --> 01:08:46,493 >> YEAH. >> Reporter: THERE IS THIS -- 1154 01:08:46,493 --> 01:08:54,334 AFTER THE ARREST, THOSE ONLINE SAY PAPPA RODGER FELL SILENT 1155 01:08:54,334 --> 01:08:57,070 MORE CURIOSITIES SURFACED, INCLUDING THIS, A RESEARCH 1156 01:08:57,070 --> 01:09:03,843 SURVEY WRITTEN BY KOHBERGER WHILE A GRAD STUDENT AT DESALES. 1157 01:09:03,843 --> 01:09:07,013 HE HAD POSTED IT ON REDDIT IT WAS DIRECTED TO CONVICTED 1158 01:09:07,013 --> 01:09:09,182 CRIMINALS, ASKING QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND HOW EMOTIONS AND 1159 01:09:09,182 --> 01:09:17,057 PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAITS INFLUENCE THE DECISION-MAKING INVOLVED IN 1160 01:09:17,057 --> 01:09:18,124 COMMITTING A CRIME QUESTIONS LIKE, "WHY DID YOU 1161 01:09:18,124 --> 01:09:20,560 CHOOSE THAT VICTIM, OR TARGET OVER OTHERS? 1162 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,464 AND, "AFTER COMMITTING THE CRIME, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING 1163 01:09:24,464 --> 01:09:27,100 AND FEELING? >> I KNOW HE'S DOING THIS FOR 1164 01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:31,838 OTHER PEOPLE, AND HE'S TRYING TO FIND SUBJECTS THAT HAVE 1165 01:09:31,838 --> 01:09:32,939 COMMITTED CRIMES AND HE'S INTERESTED IN THEIR 1166 01:09:32,939 --> 01:09:34,474 THOUGHT PROCESSES, BUT I THINK HE'S ALSO GIVING US A GLIMPSE 1167 01:09:34,474 --> 01:09:39,746 INTO HIS PSYCHE. INTO THE WAY HE'S THINKING ABOUT 1168 01:09:39,746 --> 01:09:41,047 COMMITTING A CRIME >> Reporter: BUT FOR ALL THE 1169 01:09:41,047 --> 01:09:44,517 THEORIES AND SPECULATION, THERE IS SOMETHING ONLY ONE PERSON IN 1170 01:09:44,517 --> 01:09:48,221 THE WORLD KNOWS RIGHT NOW. THE KILLER'S MOTIVE. 1171 01:09:48,221 --> 01:09:56,930 HAYDEN STINCHFIELD SPOKE FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY HERE. 1172 01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:58,131 >> I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO FIND OUT BECAUSE IT IS SO FAR FROM 1173 01:09:58,131 --> 01:09:59,332 WHAT, YOU KNOW, A NORMAL PERSON WOULD DO 1174 01:09:59,332 --> 01:10:02,502 >> Reporter: ON JANUARY 5TH, THE PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT WAS 1175 01:10:02,502 --> 01:10:06,673 UNSEALED REVEALING, FINALLY, EVIDENCE AND 1176 01:10:28,628 --> 01:10:29,863 NATION >> THE KILLING OF FOUR 1177 01:10:29,863 --> 01:10:35,669 UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO STUDENTS. >> MANY QUESTIONS UNANSWERED AND 1178 01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:37,771 NO ARRESTS >> FOR SIX WEEKS STUDENTS AT THE 1179 01:10:37,771 --> 01:10:42,542 UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO HAD LIVED AS IF THERE WAS A NIGHT-DWELLING, 1180 01:10:42,542 --> 01:10:51,484 MEDIEVAL MONSTER IN THEIR MIDST, TURNING THE MURDERS OF KAYLEE 1181 01:10:51,484 --> 01:10:52,686 AND MADISON AND XANA AND ETHAN INTO SOMETHING OF A FABLE-LIKE 1182 01:10:52,686 --> 01:10:53,687 HORROR STORY >> Reporter: SO WHEN 1183 01:10:53,687 --> 01:10:59,359 BRYAN KOHBERGER MADE HIS FIRST PUBLIC APPEARANCE IN A MOSCOW, 1184 01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:01,461 IDAHO, COURTROOM LAST THURSDAY, MILLIONS OF EYES WERE FOCUSED ON 1185 01:11:01,461 --> 01:11:05,699 HIM, TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A MONSTER BEHIND THAT FACE AS 1186 01:11:05,699 --> 01:11:08,401 THE JUDGE READ THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM. 1187 01:11:08,401 --> 01:11:10,437 >> COUNT TWO ALLEGES THAT YOU COMMITTED THE FELONY OFFENSE - 1188 01:11:10,437 --> 01:11:11,504 COUNT THREE ALLEGES THAT YOU COMMITTED -- 1189 01:11:11,504 --> 01:11:14,674 COUNT FOUR ALLEGES THAT YOU COMMITTED -- 1190 01:11:14,674 --> 01:11:18,411 COUNT FIVE ALLEGES THAT YOU COMMITTED THE FELONY OFFENSE OF 1191 01:11:18,411 --> 01:11:29,456 MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE THE MAXIMUM PENALTY FOR THIS 1192 01:11:29,456 --> 01:11:30,523 OFFENSE IS DEATH OR IMPRISONMENT FOR LIFE 1193 01:11:30,523 --> 01:11:31,558 DO YOU UNDERSTAND? >> YES 1194 01:11:31,558 --> 01:11:35,995 >> Reporter: STEVE AND KRISTI MADE A POINT OF DRIVING THE 1195 01:11:35,995 --> 01:11:37,197 95 MILES FROM THEIR HOME TO SIT BEHIND THE MAN INVESTIGATORS 1196 01:11:37,197 --> 01:11:38,398 THINK KILLED THEIR DAUGHTER. WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO SIT IN THAT 1197 01:11:38,398 --> 01:11:42,135 ROOM AND WATCH HIM >> HE LOOKED SCARED, AS HE 1198 01:11:42,135 --> 01:11:44,304 SHOULD BE. IF HE IS INDEED THE PERSON, I 1199 01:11:44,304 --> 01:11:50,543 FEEL THAT NO MERCY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO HIM 1200 01:11:50,543 --> 01:11:52,679 >> Reporter: BRYAN KOHBERGER, OF COURSE, HAS ONLY BEEN CHARGED 1201 01:11:52,679 --> 01:11:55,882 WITH THE FOUR MURDERS. HE HAS NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF 1202 01:11:55,882 --> 01:12:02,155 ANYTHING BUT BEFORE THIS HEARING STARTED, 1203 01:12:02,155 --> 01:12:04,324 THE STATE RELEASED THIS 18-PAGE AFFIDAVIT LAYING OUT THE CASE 1204 01:12:04,324 --> 01:12:05,325 AGAINST HIM. IT'S A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT 1205 01:12:05,325 --> 01:12:13,767 STARTS OFF LIKE -- WELL, LIKE A MEDIEVAL HORROR STORY. 1206 01:12:13,767 --> 01:12:17,971 BEGINNING WITH AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT FROM DYLAN MORTENSEN, 1207 01:12:17,971 --> 01:12:19,305 ONE OF THE ROOMMATES WHO SURVIVED WHO WAS NOT ASSAULTED 1208 01:12:19,305 --> 01:12:21,741 DYLAN SAID SHE WOKE AROUND 4:00 A.M. BY WHAT SOUNDED LIKE 1209 01:12:21,741 --> 01:12:25,879 KAYLEE GONCALVES PLAYING WITH HER DOG. 1210 01:12:25,879 --> 01:12:33,286 THEN A VOICE SAYING, "THERE'S SOMEONE HERE." 1211 01:12:33,286 --> 01:12:35,922 FOLLOWED BY CRYING AND A MALE VOICE SAYING, "IT'S OKAY 1212 01:12:35,922 --> 01:12:38,558 I'M GOING TO HELP YOU. DYLAN SAID SHE OPENED HER DOOR 1213 01:12:38,558 --> 01:12:39,726 TO CHECK ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND SAW A MAN CLAD IN BLACK 1214 01:12:39,726 --> 01:12:45,398 CLOTHING AND A MASK WALKING TOWARDS HER. 1215 01:12:45,398 --> 01:12:49,636 SHE SAID SHE STOOD IN A "FROZEN SHOCK PHASE" AS THE MAN WALKED 1216 01:12:49,636 --> 01:12:54,407 PAST HER AND TOWARDS THE BACK SLIDING GLASS DOOR 1217 01:12:54,407 --> 01:12:57,577 WE DON'T KNOW FROM THE AFFIDAVIT IF THE MAN SAW HER OR NOT. 1218 01:12:57,577 --> 01:13:02,349 THOUGH DYLAN DID SAY SHE LOCKED HER DOOR AND HID IN HER ROOM 1219 01:13:02,349 --> 01:13:07,587 AND FOR REASONS UNKNOWN, 8 HOURS PASSED BEFORE SOMEONE 1220 01:13:07,587 --> 01:13:10,223 CALLED 911 RETIRED FBI AGENT AND CURRENT 1221 01:13:10,223 --> 01:13:13,226 UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR GREG ROGERS TEACHES A COURSE ON 1222 01:13:13,226 --> 01:13:17,097 PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILING AND GAVE US HIS TAKE ON THE KILLER'S 1223 01:13:17,097 --> 01:13:18,131 BEHAVIOR THAT NIGHT. >> IF THE ONE ROOMMATE'S 1224 01:13:18,131 --> 01:13:24,504 STATEMENTS ARE ACCURATE ABOUT WHAT SHE HEARD THE MALE SAYING 1225 01:13:24,504 --> 01:13:27,640 "IT'S OKAY, DON'T WORRY, IT'S GONNA BE ALL RIGHT," HE WAS WELL 1226 01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,310 REHEARSED. HE'D BEEN THINKIN' ABOUT THIS 1227 01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:35,348 FOR A LONG TIME. HE WAS ACTING OUT A FANTASY, AND 1228 01:13:35,348 --> 01:13:36,716 HE WAS WELL PREPARED >> Reporter: WHAT DID YOU SEE 1229 01:13:36,716 --> 01:13:42,455 THAT -- THAT COMMENT, IF IT'S ACCURATE, WHAT WAS THAT INTENDED 1230 01:13:42,455 --> 01:13:43,590 TO DO? >> HIS STUDY IN HIS DOCTORAL AND 1231 01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:48,661 MASTER'S PROGRAMS WERE BEHAVIORAL ASPECTS 1232 01:13:48,661 --> 01:13:54,300 SO HE'S WELL VERSED IN THE PSYCHOLOGICAL ASPECTS OF HOW 1233 01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:57,337 PEOPLE THINK, HOW THEY BEHAVE. SO HE'S TRYIN' TO CALM HER DOWN 1234 01:13:57,337 --> 01:14:05,679 AND OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T WANT HER TO SCREAM AND ALERT HER 1235 01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:10,950 ROOMMATES. IT SHOWS A VERY CALM DEMEANOR ON 1236 01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:12,419 HIS PART TO HAVE THIS NORMAL CONVERSATION WITH -- IT'S -- 1237 01:14:12,419 --> 01:14:15,855 IT'S -- IT'S EERIE IT'S -- IT'S FRIGHTENING 1238 01:14:15,855 --> 01:14:20,060 >> Reporter: LATER, WHILE SEARCHING KAYLEE AND MADDIE'S 1239 01:14:20,060 --> 01:14:26,366 ROOM, INVESTIGATORS FOUND THAT KA-BAR KNIFE SHEATH ON THE BED 1240 01:14:26,366 --> 01:14:28,668 NEXT TO THE TWO FRIENDS. >> HE COULD'VE EASILY ACQUIRED A 1241 01:14:28,668 --> 01:14:31,571 HANDGUN IF HE WANTED ONE HE COULD'VE ACQUIRED IT LEGALLY 1242 01:14:31,571 --> 01:14:34,774 OR ILLEGALLY HE CHOSE A KNIFE ON PURPOSE. 1243 01:14:34,774 --> 01:14:38,078 YOU PULL OUT A BIG KA-BAR LIKE THAT, IT'S INCREDIBLY 1244 01:14:38,078 --> 01:14:38,978 FRIGHTENING. THAT'S WHY THEY CHOOSE THESE 1245 01:14:38,978 --> 01:14:40,647 WEAPONS. IT'S TO -- TO JUST REALLY SCARE 1246 01:14:40,647 --> 01:14:46,319 THEIR VICTIMS AND TO GET -- TO GET CONTROL. 1247 01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:53,293 >> Reporter: AND YET THE KNIFE, OR THAT SHEATH, AT LEAST, ENDED 1248 01:14:53,293 --> 01:14:55,328 UP BEING THE KEY TO THE CASE >> LEAVING THE SHEATH IN THE 1249 01:14:55,328 --> 01:14:57,430 APARTMENT, THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE ON HIS PART. 1250 01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:59,532 PROBABLY FELL OUT OF THE BACKPACK, OR MAYBE HE WAS 1251 01:14:59,532 --> 01:15:03,203 PULLIN' THE KNIFE OUT AND IT SLID OFF 1252 01:15:03,203 --> 01:15:05,405 WHO KNOWS? BUT THAT'S AS GOOD AS IT GETS. 1253 01:15:05,405 --> 01:15:08,041 >> Reporter: STEVE AND KRISTI GONCALVES TAKE SOME 1254 01:15:08,041 --> 01:15:14,848 COMFORT IN THINKING, HOPING THEIR DAUGHTER KAYLEE PLAYED 1255 01:15:14,848 --> 01:15:16,916 SOME HAND IN SOLVING HER OWN MURDER BY SNATCHING THE SHEATH 1256 01:15:16,916 --> 01:15:21,154 FROM HER ASSAILANT >> WHEN WE READ WHERE IT WAS 1257 01:15:21,154 --> 01:15:22,722 FOUND, I JUST -- I JUST SAID, "CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? 1258 01:15:22,722 --> 01:15:24,290 AND I SAID, "I HOPE THAT MAYBE IN A STRUGGLE, SHE PULLED IT OFF 1259 01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:28,061 OF HIM." >> YEAH, IT'S A CHECKMATE TYPE 1260 01:15:28,061 --> 01:15:29,062 MOMENT >> YEAH. 1261 01:15:29,062 --> 01:15:33,266 >> AND OUR GIRLS WERE A PART OF IT 1262 01:15:33,266 --> 01:15:36,336 >> YUP >> Reporter: NOW THE MAN ACCUSED 1263 01:15:36,336 --> 01:15:40,173 OF COMMITTING THESE MONSTROUS MURDERS IS IN CUSTODY WAITING, 1264 01:15:40,173 --> 01:15:44,878 HE SAID, TO BE EXONERATED. WAITING FOR VINDICATION. 1265 01:15:44,878 --> 01:15:48,081 BUT GIVEN ALL THE DAMNING EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM, FROM DNA 1266 01:15:48,081 --> 01:15:49,649 TO CELL PHONE RECORDS TO SURVEILLANCE CAMERA FOOTAGE, 1267 01:15:49,649 --> 01:15:55,422 WHAT COULD KOHBERGER'S DEFENSE POSSIBLY BE? 1268 01:15:55,422 --> 01:15:56,990 ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF THAT YOU WOULD DO TO DEFEND A GUY 1269 01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:58,591 LIKE THIS, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS 1270 01:15:58,591 --> 01:16:00,660 THIS >> THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO 1271 01:16:24,651 --> 01:16:26,753 SHOWS THAT STARTED IT, PROSECUTORS WILL TELL YOU. 1272 01:16:26,753 --> 01:16:33,093 AND NOW JURORS TEND TO ASSUME EVERY TRIAL WILL INCLUDE 1273 01:16:33,093 --> 01:16:34,661 ROCK-SOLID EVIDENCE LIKE EITHER CELL PHONE RECORDS OR DNA. 1274 01:16:34,661 --> 01:16:37,897 THE CASE LAID OUT IN THIS AFFIDAVIT HAS BOTH CELL PHONE 1275 01:16:37,897 --> 01:16:42,736 AND DNA EVIDENCE, AND MORE SURVEILLANCE CAMERA FOOTAGE OF 1276 01:16:42,736 --> 01:16:45,238 THE WHITE ELANTRA. >> I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE 1277 01:16:45,238 --> 01:16:47,340 BETTER PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVITS I EVER READ, VERY TIGHT AND 1278 01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:50,510 WELL-WRITTEN >> Reporter: WE ASKED 1279 01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:52,612 JAMES SIEBE, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE IDAHO ASSOCIATION OF 1280 01:16:52,612 --> 01:16:57,384 CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS CASE AND REVIEW 1281 01:16:57,384 --> 01:16:59,519 THE AFFIDAVIT FOR US >> THIS IS A TOUGH CASE, NO 1282 01:16:59,519 --> 01:17:00,620 DOUBT ABOUT IT >> Reporter: IS THERE ANYTHING 1283 01:17:00,620 --> 01:17:09,562 ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT YOU FIND UNIQUE? 1284 01:17:09,562 --> 01:17:10,597 >> BOY, THAT'S A BIG QUESTION. AND, YES, OF COURSE. 1285 01:17:10,597 --> 01:17:13,266 STABBINGS. THAT'S SOMEWHAT ARCHAIC TO ME 1286 01:17:13,266 --> 01:17:18,538 WITH ALL THE FIREARMS EVERYBODY HAS. 1287 01:17:18,538 --> 01:17:20,206 IT'S REAL MACABRE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE STABBING 1288 01:17:20,206 --> 01:17:21,408 ASPECT THROWN IN THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE THING 1289 01:17:21,408 --> 01:17:22,542 THAT STICKS OUT IN MY MIND AND I'M SURE BOTHERS A LOT OF 1290 01:17:22,542 --> 01:17:23,543 OTHER PEOPLE >> Reporter: AT THE MOMENT THE 1291 01:17:23,543 --> 01:17:26,446 STATE'S CASE LOOKS STRONG TO YOU? 1292 01:17:26,446 --> 01:17:27,681 >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF -- I HESITATE TO SAY "STRONG," BUT IT 1293 01:17:27,681 --> 01:17:30,684 LOOKS PRETTY SOLID, THAT'S FOR SURE 1294 01:17:30,684 --> 01:17:31,918 >> Reporter: IF THERE'S A PLEA DEAL, ALL OF FAMILIES WOULD HAVE 1295 01:17:31,918 --> 01:17:35,422 TO AGREE TO A DEAL, WOULDN'T THEY 1296 01:17:35,422 --> 01:17:39,426 >> WELL, THE -- NOT TECHNICALLY AGREE, BUT NO PROSECUTOR WOULD, 1297 01:17:39,426 --> 01:17:43,897 IN MY MIND, WORTH THEIR SALT, WOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM 1298 01:17:43,897 --> 01:17:46,533 >> Reporter: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MADDIE, AND XANA, AND ETHAN'S 1299 01:17:46,533 --> 01:17:51,304 FAMILIES WOULD THINK ABOUT A POSSIBLE PLEA OFFER, BUT 1300 01:17:51,304 --> 01:17:54,074 KAYLEE'S PARENTS TOLD US IF KOHBERGER IS GUILTY, THEY HAVE 1301 01:17:54,074 --> 01:18:00,280 NO INTEREST IN STRIKING ANY KIND OF BARGAIN WITH HIM. 1302 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:01,715 >> WE LIVE IN IDAHO. AND IDAHO HAS THE DEATH PENALTY. 1303 01:18:01,715 --> 01:18:02,716 WE'RE HOPEFUL FOR THAT >> Reporter: FOR THE DEATH 1304 01:18:02,716 --> 01:18:05,719 PENALTY? >> YES 1305 01:18:05,719 --> 01:18:09,356 >> THAT'S THE CONSEQUENCES OF THESE -- IF ATTACKING SOMEBODY 1306 01:18:09,356 --> 01:18:12,025 WHILE THEY'RE SLEEPING IN THEIR BED ISN'T PROBABLE CAUSE FOR YOU 1307 01:18:12,025 --> 01:18:16,663 TO BE -- >> UNPROVOKED. 1308 01:18:16,663 --> 01:18:18,765 >> -- REMOVED FROM THE PLANET, WHAT DOES? 1309 01:18:18,765 --> 01:18:19,833 >> HE CHOOSE OVER AND OVER TO END PEOPLE'S LIVES 1310 01:18:19,833 --> 01:18:22,569 AND THAT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR. 1311 01:18:22,569 --> 01:18:27,774 >> YEP >> IT HAS TO BE. 1312 01:18:27,774 --> 01:18:29,376 >> Reporter: THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE GONCALVESES DON'T WANT 1313 01:18:29,376 --> 01:18:31,578 ANSWERS. THE BIGGEST QUESTION OF ALL, THE 1314 01:18:31,578 --> 01:18:35,482 ONE THAT TORTURES THE FAMILIES AND CONFOUNDS INVESTIGATORS, IS 1315 01:18:35,482 --> 01:18:40,453 WHY. IF BRYAN KOHBERGER IS THE 1316 01:18:40,453 --> 01:18:43,089 KILLER, WHY DID HE DO IT HE DIDN'T APPEAR TO KNOW ANYONE 1317 01:18:43,089 --> 01:18:48,395 LIVING IN THE KING ROAD HOUSE. WHAT IS KNOWN, ACCORDING TO THE 1318 01:18:48,395 --> 01:18:50,597 AFFIDAVIT, IS THAT KOHBERGER'S PHONE WAS DETECTED NEAR THE 1319 01:18:50,597 --> 01:18:55,769 HOUSE AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES PRIOR TO THE KILLINGS. 1320 01:18:55,769 --> 01:18:59,472 AND AS LONG AGO AS AUGUST 21, 2022 1321 01:18:59,472 --> 01:19:01,074 >> I THINK HE BECAME OBSESSED WITH ONE OF THESE VICTIMS. 1322 01:19:01,074 --> 01:19:05,311 COULD BE JUST AS SIMPLE AS SOMETHING HE -- SHE MIGHT'VE 1323 01:19:05,311 --> 01:19:06,880 SERVED HIM IN ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS THEY WORKED AT 1324 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,015 HE MIGHT HAVE JUST SEEN HER. YOU NEVER KNOW 1325 01:19:09,015 --> 01:19:11,918 >> Reporter: YOU HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE IN CASES YOU'VE COVERED 1326 01:19:11,918 --> 01:19:14,287 IN YOUR OWN CLASS? >> OH YEAH, YEAH 1327 01:19:14,287 --> 01:19:16,923 HE MAY NOT HAVE EVEN EVER SPOKEN TO ANY OF THEM 1328 01:19:16,923 --> 01:19:21,695 HE MAY HAVE SPOKEN TO ONE OF THEM AND DONE SOMETHING AWKWARD 1329 01:19:21,695 --> 01:19:24,831 AND ASKED FOR A NUMBER AND BEEN REJECTED AND GOT UPSET 1330 01:19:24,831 --> 01:19:30,670 >> Reporter: JUST A THEORY, MIND YOU, THERE'S NO PROOF. 1331 01:19:30,670 --> 01:19:34,341 BUT THE GONCALVES ALSO SUSPECT KOHBERGER WAS STALKING THEIR 1332 01:19:34,341 --> 01:19:38,578 DAUGHTER KAYLEE AND HER FRIENDS. >> OUR PI AND SOME RETIRED 1333 01:19:38,578 --> 01:19:43,083 OFFICERS TOLD US THAT HE -- TO EXPECT THAT HE MAY HAVE DONE DRY 1334 01:19:43,083 --> 01:19:44,918 RUNS WHERE HE GOT CLOSE, CHECKED DOORS, CHECKED WINDOWS 1335 01:19:44,918 --> 01:19:48,121 WE DON'T KNOW THIS FOR A FACT, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT HE WAS CLOSE 1336 01:19:48,121 --> 01:19:54,427 ENOUGH TO THE HOUSE THAT HIS PHONE ON SOME OF THESE OCCASIONS 1337 01:19:54,427 --> 01:19:55,595 THAT HE WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THEIR WIFI, WHICH EVERYBODY 1338 01:19:55,595 --> 01:19:57,630 KNOWS. >> YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CLOSE 1339 01:19:57,630 --> 01:20:00,600 >> THAT'S THE PSYCHOLOGY BEHIND IT 1340 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,937 THEY DIG IT. AND IF THIS WAS VERY SATISFYING 1341 01:20:03,937 --> 01:20:08,675 TO HIM, WHICH IT LIKELY WAS -- HE'D HAVE BEEN BACK OVER, AND 1342 01:20:08,675 --> 01:20:12,479 OVER, AND OVER >> Reporter: NOW, HE IS IN JAIL 1343 01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:22,956 AND THE LONG DELIBERATE SLOW WALK TOWARD JUSTICE CAN BEGIN. 1344 01:20:22,956 --> 01:20:24,190 STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO ARE BEGINNING TO RETURN TO 1345 01:20:24,190 --> 01:20:28,228 CAMPUS READY FOR A NEW SEMESTER, NO LONGER AFRAID OF A MONSTER 1346 01:20:28,228 --> 01:20:45,078 LURKING IN THE NIGHT >> I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT 1347 01:20:45,078 --> 01:20:45,845 YO KNOW THE INVESTIGATION HAS GONE 1348 01:20:45,845 --> 01:20:47,514 THE WAY IT HAS AND THERE'S SOMEONE THERE IN CUSTODY 1349 01:20:47,514 --> 01:20:48,782 >> IT DEFINITELY DOES FEELS BETTER KNOWING THAT THERE IS 1350 01:20:48,782 --> 01:20:50,016 SOMEONE WHO THE POLICE THINKS IS RESPONSIBLE THAT IS IN CUSTODY 1351 01:20:50,016 --> 01:20:51,117 >> IT FEELS GOOD OBVIOUSLY I LIKE TO BE HERE. 1352 01:20:51,117 --> 01:20:52,385 I LIKE TO BE LEARNING AND FURTHERING MY EDUCATION. 1353 01:20:52,385 --> 01:20:53,520 IT FEELS GOOD TO BE HOME >> Reporter: KOHBERGER WAS BACK 1354 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,587 IN COURT YESTERDAY FOR A "STATUS CONFERENCE." 1355 01:20:54,587 --> 01:20:59,859 A ROUTINE LEGAL PROCEEDING IN A CASE THAT'S ANYTHING BUT 1356 01:20:59,859 --> 01:21:01,061 >> ALL RISE. >> Reporter: THE SOLE ITEM ON 1357 01:21:01,061 --> 01:21:03,063 THE AGENDA WAS TO ESTABLISH A DATE FOR THE PRELIMINARY 1358 01:21:03,063 --> 01:21:06,733 HEARING. THAT IS WHEN PROSECUTORS WILL 1359 01:21:06,733 --> 01:21:10,970 ON KOHBERGER ENOUGH EVIDENCE, APPARENTLY, 1360 01:21:10,970 --> 01:21:16,743 THAT KOHBERGER'S ATTORNEY WHO SUBMITTED THIS LENGTHY REQUEST 1361 01:21:16,743 --> 01:21:17,911 FOR DISCOVERY, SAID SHE NEEDED MONTHS TO GO THROUGH IT ALL. 1362 01:21:17,911 --> 01:21:21,081 >> WE ARE GOING TO ASK THE COURT TO SET PRELIMINARY HEARING OUT 1363 01:21:21,081 --> 01:21:23,083 INTO JUNE. >> SO MR. KOHBERGER, HAVE YOU 1364 01:21:23,083 --> 01:21:27,887 HAD ENOUGH TIME TO SPEAK WITH MS. TAYLOR ABOUT YOUR DECISION 1365 01:21:27,887 --> 01:21:31,424 TO WAIVE YOUR RIGHT TO A SPEEDY PRELIMINARY HEARING? 1366 01:21:31,424 --> 01:21:39,432 >> YES >> I WILL GO AHEAD AND RESERVE 1367 01:21:39,432 --> 01:21:41,668 THE WEEK, SO JUNE 26th TO JUNE 30th, IN THE EVENT THAT WE 1368 01:21:41,668 --> 01:21:42,635 NEED ALL FIVE DAYS FOR PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE 1369 01:21:42,635 --> 01:21:46,306 >> Reporter: WHAT KOHBERGER'S DEFENSE ULTIMATELY WILL BE IS 1370 01:21:46,306 --> 01:21:49,509 STILL UNKNOWN. JAMES SIEBE, THOUGH, TOLD US 1371 01:21:49,509 --> 01:21:52,112 KOHBERGER'S COUNSEL, ANNE TAYLOR, IS A TOUGH, VETERAN 1372 01:21:52,112 --> 01:21:53,213 TRIAL ATTORNEY >> ANNE'S ONE OF THE -- ONE OF 1373 01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:54,714 THE BEST >> Reporter: WHAT MAKES HER ONE 1374 01:21:54,714 --> 01:22:00,120 OF THE BEST? >> WELL HER RANGE OF EXPERIENCE, 1375 01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,122 PERSONALITY, INTELLIGENCE. SHE'S A FORMER PROSECUTOR, BEEN 1376 01:22:02,122 --> 01:22:10,563 INVOLVED IN A LOTTA REALLY BIG TRIALS, HAD A GOOD SUCCESS RATE, 1377 01:22:10,563 --> 01:22:11,731 I'D SAY. SO I HAVE THE HIGHEST REGARD FOR 1378 01:22:11,731 --> 01:22:13,199 HER. >> Reporter: WE ASKED TO SPEAK 1379 01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:17,971 TO TAYLOR, BUT SHE, LIKE THE OTHER LAWYERS AND INVESTIGATORS 1380 01:22:17,971 --> 01:22:22,175 INVOLVED IN THE CASE, IS SUBJECT TO THE JUDGE'S GAG ORDER 1381 01:22:22,175 --> 01:22:27,981 >> Reporter: SO, THE QUEST FOR JUSTICE GRINDS SLOW, AS EVER, AS 1382 01:22:27,981 --> 01:22:30,083 PARENTS LEARN TO GO ON SOMEHOW WITHOUT THEIR CHILDREN 1383 01:22:30,083 --> 01:22:32,719 STEVE AND KRISTI TOLD US THEY ARE DETERMINED THAT KAYLEE BE 1384 01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:33,953 REMEMBERED NOT FOR THE TERRIBLE WAY SHE DIED, BUT FOR THE JOY 1385 01:22:33,953 --> 01:22:39,092 SHE BROUGHT TO THOSE WHO LOVED HER. 1386 01:22:39,092 --> 01:22:42,729 >> THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF LOVE AND SUPPORT THAT WE GOT. 1387 01:22:42,729 --> 01:22:45,398 WE HAD PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD REACHING OUT 1388 01:22:45,398 --> 01:22:49,636 WE -- WE GET LETTERS, HANDWRITTEN LETTERS THAT ARE 1389 01:22:49,636 --> 01:22:53,106 FIVE PAGES LONG. I'VE HAD BRACELETS MADE FOR ME 1390 01:22:53,106 --> 01:22:57,010 AND PEOPLE MAKING SPECIAL PICTURES WITH KAYLEE AND SENDING 1391 01:22:57,010 --> 01:22:58,645 'EM TO ME. >> AND IT MIGHT SEEM KIND OF 1392 01:22:58,645 --> 01:23:00,213 BIZARRE, BUT IT REALLY DOES HELP 1393 01:23:00,213 --> 01:23:04,417 >> I WISH THEY COULD SEE HOW MUCH THEIR LIVES MEANT TO SO 1394 01:23:04,417 --> 01:23:05,552 MANY >> Reporter: YOU WANT TO BE ABLE 1395 01:23:05,552 --> 01:23:09,689 TO GO AND TELL HER THAT. >> YES 1396 01:23:09,689 --> 01:23:10,890 I WOULD LOVE TO BE LIKE, "YOU -- MADDIE AND KAYLEE, YOU KNOW, 1397 01:23:10,890 --> 01:23:17,597 LOOK AT THIS." YEAH 1398 01:23:17,597 --> 01:23:26,072 "LOOK WHAT YOUR LIVES MEANT TO EVERYONE." 1399 01:23:26,072 --> 01:23:26,840 >> Reporter: FOUR BRIGHT YOUNG PEOPLE 1400 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:31,311 IMAGINE WHAT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN 1401 01:23:31,311 --> 01:23:33,246 THAT'S ALL FOR THIS EDITION OF "DATELINE. 1402 01:23:33,246 --> 01:23:36,616 WE'LL CONTINUE TO BRING YOU THE LATEST ON THIS CASE HERE ON 1403 01:23:36,616 --> 01:23:37,617 "DATELINE," ON NBC NIGHTLY NEWS, AND ON TODAY 1404 01:23:37,617 --> 01:23:44,457 I'M LESTER HOLT. FOR ALL OF US AT NBC NEWS,