1 00:00:17,784 --> 00:00:19,185 IT'S OUR MOST TWISTED MYSTERY 2 00:00:19,185 --> 00:00:23,957 EVER, UNFOLDING FOR YEARS ON "DATELINE" BEFORE BECOMING A 3 00:00:23,957 --> 00:00:28,728 PODCAST AND A SERIES STARRING RENEE ZELLWEGER IN "THE THING 4 00:00:28,728 --> 00:00:29,829 ABOUT PAM. >> WAIT, WHAT? 5 00:00:29,829 --> 00:00:34,734 WHOA, WHOA, WHOA WHOA, WHOA, WHOA 6 00:00:34,734 --> 00:00:37,771 >> TONIGHT, A JAW-DROPPING NEW DEVELOPMENT. 7 00:00:37,771 --> 00:00:41,775 AND A KEY FIGURE IN THE CASE FINALLY SITS DOWN WITH US. 8 00:00:41,775 --> 00:00:43,677 >> Reporter: THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT YOU HAVE 9 00:00:43,677 --> 00:00:45,779 BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS. >> YEAH, I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE 10 00:00:45,779 --> 00:00:48,014 THAT SAY THAT. >> HE WAS POUNDING ON THE DOOR, 11 00:00:48,014 --> 00:00:53,353 AND ONCE IT FLEW OPEN, THAT'S WHEN I SHOT HIM. 12 00:00:53,353 --> 00:00:55,955 AND I JUST KEPT ON SHOOTING HIM. >> THREE PEOPLE DIED 13 00:00:55,955 --> 00:00:57,824 SUSPICIOUSLY, AND SHE'S BEEN THE LAST PERSON WITH THEM. 14 00:00:57,824 --> 00:01:00,160 >> HOW IS THIS WOMAN NOT A SUSPECT? 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,329 >> I WOULD'VE NEVER THOUGHT THAT PAM WOULD'VE KEPT GOIN' AFTER 16 00:01:03,329 --> 00:01:04,497 OTHER PEOPLE >> LADY IN A BLACK SUV PICKING 17 00:01:04,497 --> 00:01:06,533 PEOPLE UP, CLAIMING TO BE WITH "DATELINE. 18 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:07,834 JUST MY GUT TOLD ME SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT WITH THIS LADY 19 00:01:07,834 --> 00:01:11,338 >> YOU CAN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF HER MOUTH. 20 00:01:11,338 --> 00:01:13,440 >> THE FACT THAT NOBODY LOOKED AT PAM HUPP, BOUGHT INTO 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,177 EVERYTHING SHE SAID, HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER, IS WHY WE'RE STILL 22 00:01:17,177 --> 00:01:18,345 HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT THIS. >> YOU CAN'T JUST PROSECUTE 23 00:01:18,345 --> 00:01:24,084 SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THEM OR BECAUSE THEY DO ODD 24 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:26,152 THINGS >> ALL THIS AS THIS DECADE-LONG 25 00:01:26,152 --> 00:01:38,331 CASE GETS TURNED UPSIDE DOWN >> I WAS BEGINNING TO THINK IT 26 00:01:38,331 --> 00:01:46,339 WOULD NEVER HAPPEN >> HERE'S KEITH MORRISON WITH 27 00:01:46,339 --> 00:01:53,580 "THE REAL THING ABOUT PAM. >> Reporter: WHAT IS THE THING 28 00:01:53,580 --> 00:01:57,117 ABOUT PAM? >> WAIT, WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA 29 00:01:57,117 --> 00:01:58,718 WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA. >> Reporter: PAMELA HUPP, THAT 30 00:01:58,718 --> 00:02:00,387 IS >> SAY HI TO CATHY 31 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:01,888 >> Reporter: DID ANYONE REALLY KNOW HER, HER FRIENDS, HER 32 00:02:01,888 --> 00:02:05,592 ENEMIES? >> TRYING TO PIN PAM DOWN IS 33 00:02:05,592 --> 00:02:08,795 LIKE TRYING TO CATCH A FISH WITH YOUR HANDS 34 00:02:08,795 --> 00:02:13,066 >> YOU CAN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF HER MOUTH. 35 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:16,236 >> I SAID, "WHO WAS THIS PERSON THAT I KNEW? 36 00:02:16,236 --> 00:02:23,109 >> I CALL HER EVIL INCARNATE SHE'S A MONSTER WHO DOESN'T EVEN 37 00:02:23,109 --> 00:02:25,745 DESERVE TO WALK THE PRISON YARD. >> Reporter: BUT AS MUCH AS THIS 38 00:02:25,745 --> 00:02:31,084 STORY IS ABOUT PAM HUPP, NEW REVELATIONS ABOUT HER AND 39 00:02:31,084 --> 00:02:34,788 ACCUSATIONS AND FORMAL CHARGES, IT IS ALSO ABOUT THIS WOMAN. 40 00:02:34,788 --> 00:02:36,489 >> I'M NOT A PERSON THAT'S GONNA SIT IN JUDGMENT OF ANYBODY ELSE. 41 00:02:36,489 --> 00:02:41,661 >> Reporter: HER NAME IS LEAH ASKEY 42 00:02:41,661 --> 00:02:44,297 >> BUT I WILL PUT MY MORALS AND MY ETHICS UP AGAINST ANYONE. 43 00:02:44,297 --> 00:02:47,100 >> Reporter: THE WOMAN WHOSE PROSECUTION OF THE WRONG PERSON 44 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:50,670 BROUGHT THE WHOLE BIZARRE STORY TO OUR ATTENTION IN THE FIRST 45 00:02:50,670 --> 00:02:53,873 PLACE. WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO TALK TO 46 00:02:53,873 --> 00:03:01,381 HER FOR YEARS. AND NOW, FINALLY, WE HAVE. 47 00:03:01,381 --> 00:03:04,050 >> THEY ACT LIKE I HAVE HORNS AND I JUST CAME OUT AFTER THIS 48 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:06,519 GUY, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT OCCURRED AT ALL. 49 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:08,221 >> Reporter: IN TONIGHT'S EPISODE, LEAH ASKEY WILL TELL US 50 00:03:08,221 --> 00:03:10,757 HER SIDE OF THE STORY. AND WHY SHE SAYS SHE WAS RIGHT 51 00:03:10,757 --> 00:03:13,426 ALL ALONG. >> I DID MY JOB. 52 00:03:13,426 --> 00:03:14,561 AND I DID IT WELL. AND HAD I NOT DONE IT WELL, WE 53 00:03:14,561 --> 00:03:20,700 WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION 54 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:22,402 >> Reporter: BUT AT THE HEART OF IT, WHAT WAS THAT THING ABOUT 55 00:03:22,402 --> 00:03:23,937 PAM? >> IT'S PAM. 56 00:03:23,937 --> 00:03:26,072 ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. >> I HAD A SACK OF CASH. 57 00:03:26,072 --> 00:03:27,640 AM I NOT CLEAR SHE LOVED ME 58 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:34,581 I LOVED HER. WE HAD A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP. 59 00:03:34,581 --> 00:03:43,123 >> I HAD NO IDEA THINGS WOULD GET THIS CRAZY 60 00:03:43,123 --> 00:03:49,396 >> Reporter: NO, NOT EVEN ON THAT FIRST TERRIBLE NIGHT, 61 00:03:49,396 --> 00:03:55,235 DECEMBER 27th, 2011, 9:40 P.M. IN A QUIET, LITTLE TOWN NEAR 62 00:03:55,235 --> 00:03:57,437 ST. LOUIS CALLED TROY, MISSOURI, IN A QUIET, LITTLE HOUSE, A MAN 63 00:03:57,437 --> 00:03:59,472 WALKED IN, TOOK ONE LOOK, AND CALLED 911 64 00:03:59,472 --> 00:04:03,743 >> 911, WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF YOUR EMERGENCY 65 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:05,478 [ HEAVY BREATHING [ CRYING ] 66 00:04:05,478 --> 00:04:08,048 >> OKAY, I NEED YOU TO TAKE A COUPLE DEEP BREATHS SO I CAN SEE 67 00:04:08,048 --> 00:04:13,787 WHAT'S GOING ON. >> I JUST GOT HOME FROM A 68 00:04:13,787 --> 00:04:17,490 FRIEND'S HOUSE AND -- AND MY WIFE -- MY WIFE KILLED HERSELF 69 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:22,295 >> Reporter: THE MAN, SO APPARENTLY DISTRAUGHT, SO BESIDE 70 00:04:22,295 --> 00:04:24,964 HIMSELF, IS RUSS FARIA, TELLING THE DISPATCHER HE'D ARRIVED HOME 71 00:04:24,964 --> 00:04:26,599 TO FIND HIS WIFE, BETSY, LYING ON THE LIVING ROOM FLOOR, A 72 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:28,702 KNIFE STILL EMBEDDED FIRMLY IN HER NECK 73 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:30,270 >> OH, MY GOD. NO 74 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:36,643 >> RUSSELL, SHE -- DO YOU THINK THAT SHE'S BEYOND HELP RIGHT 75 00:04:36,643 --> 00:04:37,744 NOW? >> YEAH, I THINK SHE'S DEAD. 76 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:40,347 >> OKAY. >> OH, MY GOD. 77 00:04:40,347 --> 00:04:42,782 SHE'S GONE >> Reporter: OFFICERS ARRIVED, 78 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:48,321 LOOKED AROUND, AND TOOK RUSS TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE 79 00:04:48,321 --> 00:04:49,356 >> NO, NO, NO, NO. [ SCREAMING 80 00:04:49,356 --> 00:04:52,559 >> TAKE A DEEP BREATH FOR ME, RUSS 81 00:04:52,559 --> 00:04:57,330 >> Reporter: AND ASKED HIM -- WHY DID HE SAY IT WAS SUICIDE? 82 00:04:57,330 --> 00:05:01,634 >> DID SHE WANT TO HURT HERSELF? >> I DON'T KNOW IF SHE JUST 83 00:05:01,634 --> 00:05:05,338 WANTED TO SCARE ME OR WHAT, BUT SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO KILL 84 00:05:05,338 --> 00:05:07,040 HERSELF. >> Reporter: BETSY HAD TRIED IT 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,576 TWICE BEFORE, ONCE WITH A KNIFE, RUSS TOLD THEM 86 00:05:09,576 --> 00:05:12,779 AND SHE WAS ON AN ANTIDEPRESSANT 87 00:05:12,779 --> 00:05:17,584 AND SHE HAD STAGE 4 CANCER IT HAD STARTED IN HER BREAST 88 00:05:17,584 --> 00:05:20,186 >> BUT IT'S ON HER LIVER NOW SHE HAD HER WHOLE BOOB -- ONE OF 89 00:05:20,186 --> 00:05:27,093 THEM REMOVED AND THEN WENT THROUGH CHEMO AND 90 00:05:27,093 --> 00:05:29,763 RADIATION, AND THEN WE GOT -- SHE GOT SCANNED LAST FEBRUARY, 91 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:33,066 AND THERE WAS NO CANCER. >> OKAY. 92 00:05:33,066 --> 00:05:38,238 >> AND THEN IN OCTOBER, THERE WAS CANCER 93 00:05:38,238 --> 00:05:41,408 >> OKAY. >> AND -- AND THE DOCTOR TOLD US 94 00:05:41,408 --> 00:05:45,145 THAT WE HAD THREE TO FIVE YEARS. >> Reporter: SO IT WOULD NOT 95 00:05:45,145 --> 00:05:47,247 HAVE SURPRISED RUSS IF SHE HAD CHOSEN TO END HER LIFE EVEN 96 00:05:47,247 --> 00:05:50,984 THOUGH SHE HAD SEEMED UPBEAT OVER CHRISTMAS, HER USUAL SELF, 97 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:54,688 HAPPY AND LIVELY THOUGH MAYBE IT WAS A FRONT TO 98 00:05:54,688 --> 00:05:58,958 HIDE HER DEPRESSION, SOMETHING SHE WAS GOOD AT. 99 00:05:58,958 --> 00:06:00,160 >> AND IF THIS COMES BACK THAT IT'S NOT A SUICIDE, YOU DON'T 100 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:08,535 HAVE ANY IDEA WHO MAY HAVE HARMED BETSY 101 00:06:08,535 --> 00:06:11,538 >> NO, EVERYBODY LOVED BETSY SHE WAS A POSITIVE SOUL. 102 00:06:11,538 --> 00:06:12,806 SHE ALWAYS BROUGHT SMILES TO PEOPLE 103 00:06:12,806 --> 00:06:20,246 AND SHE MADE ME SMILE ALL THE TIME 104 00:06:20,246 --> 00:06:24,117 SHE MADE ME SO PROUD >> IT'S NOT TYPICAL FOR SOMEONE 105 00:06:24,117 --> 00:06:25,919 THAT'S GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE TO DO IT BY THE WAY THAT SHE 106 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:28,221 DONE IT. AND THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT 107 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:31,424 CONCERNS US. >> Reporter: WELL, IN FACT, IT 108 00:06:31,424 --> 00:06:34,394 WAS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE. BETSY HAD BEEN STABBED MANY 109 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:41,534 TIMES IN PLACES SHE COULDN'T HAVE REACHED 110 00:06:41,534 --> 00:06:45,238 SOME POSTMORTEM. SO SUSPICION HAD SET IN BEFORE 111 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:48,408 THEY ASKED RUSS -- WHAT DID HE AND BETSY DO, DAY OF THE MURDER? 112 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:49,509 HERE'S WHAT HE SAID. THAT AFTERNOON BETSY WENT TO 113 00:06:49,509 --> 00:06:53,179 CHEMO TREATMENT AND LATER TO HER MOM'S PLACE. 114 00:06:53,179 --> 00:06:56,383 HE WORKED ALL AFTERNOON AT HIS HOME OFFICE. 115 00:06:56,383 --> 00:07:00,687 AND AFTER? >> SO I GOT CIGARETTES AND DOG 116 00:07:00,687 --> 00:07:05,925 FOOD, AND THEN I WENT OVER TO MY FRIEND MIKE'S HOUSE. 117 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:09,662 >> Reporter: MIKE'S HOUSE, WHERE HE WENT FOR HIS REGULAR TUESDAY 118 00:07:09,662 --> 00:07:11,231 GAME NIGHT WITH FRIENDS. HE SAID HE CALLED BETSY ON THE 119 00:07:11,231 --> 00:07:16,569 WAY. >> I ASKED HER IF SHE NEEDED A 120 00:07:16,569 --> 00:07:18,705 RIDE ON MY WAY HOME, AND SHE SAID NO, THAT HER FRIEND WAS 121 00:07:18,705 --> 00:07:20,407 GOING TO BRING HER HOME. AND I SAID, "OKAY, WELL, I'LL 122 00:07:20,407 --> 00:07:25,078 SEE YOU AT HOME LATER. AND I LOVE YOU." 123 00:07:25,078 --> 00:07:28,782 >> Reporter: THEN, AT 9:00, SAID RUSS, HE LEFT MIKE'S PLACE, 124 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:35,689 STOPPED AT ARBY'S, DROVE THE HALF HOUR HOME, OPENED THE DOOR 125 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:39,926 JUST BEFORE 9:40 AND THERE SHE WAS. 126 00:07:39,926 --> 00:07:46,800 AND NOW HERE HE WAS, TEETERING BETWEEN ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND 127 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,935 WEEPING UNCONTROLLABLY >> Reporter: IT WAS THAT 128 00:07:48,935 --> 00:08:02,749 INTENSITY THAT CAUGHT THE PROSECUTOR'S ATTENTION 129 00:08:02,749 --> 00:08:03,850 TO HER, IT LOOKED FAKE >> HE APPEARED TO BE SOBBING AND 130 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:06,019 REALLY HYSTERICAL WHENEVER THE DETECTIVE WOULD STEP OUT OF THE 131 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:08,688 ROOM BUT NEVER DID HE HAVE ANY TEARS. 132 00:08:08,688 --> 00:08:11,257 NEVER DID HE NEED A KLEENEX OR WIPE HIS NOSE. 133 00:08:11,257 --> 00:08:15,028 I WOULD LOVE TO THINK I COULD CRY AND NOT NEED A KLEENEX 134 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:19,199 >> HEY, RUSS YOU NEED SOME KLEENEX OR 135 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:20,834 SOMETHING, MAN >> Reporter: SHE MUST HAVE 136 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:25,605 MISSED THIS PART OF THE INTERVIEW. 137 00:08:25,605 --> 00:08:28,241 BUT RUSS'S HYSTERIA MADE AN IMPRESSION ON THE DETECTIVES, 138 00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:33,046 TOO. THAT AND HIS MISTAKEN BELIEF 139 00:08:33,046 --> 00:08:37,784 THAT BETSY KILLED HERSELF. BECAUSE BETSY'S DAUGHTER, 140 00:08:37,784 --> 00:08:39,452 MARIAH, SPEAKING TO US FOR THE FIRST TIME, SAID SHE HEARD ONE 141 00:08:39,452 --> 00:08:44,758 THING QUITE CLEARLY THROUGH HER HAZE OF GRIEF. 142 00:08:44,758 --> 00:08:47,861 >> THE DETECTIVES TOLD MY AUNTS THAT RUSS IS THE MAIN PERSON OF 143 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:56,369 INTEREST >> Reporter: IN PART BECAUSE 144 00:08:56,369 --> 00:09:02,175 SOMEONE WAS TELLING TALES. >>> BETSY FARIA'S SUDDEN, SAVAGE 145 00:09:02,175 --> 00:09:06,279 DEATH WOULD BE JUST THE BEGINNING OF A PAINFUL AND 146 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:08,548 LETHAL ODYSSEY WHEN WE COME BACK -- 147 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:10,684 >> IT WAS A LOT OF SHOCK JUST A LOT OF TEARS STREAMING 148 00:09:10,684 --> 00:09:12,886 DOWN MY FACE >> AS MARIAH REELS WITH GRIEF, 149 00:09:12,886 --> 00:09:16,022 PAM REELS OFF ACCUSATIONS AGAINST RUSS 150 00:09:16,022 --> 00:09:18,658 >> HE MAKES COMMENTS ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY HE'LL HAVE AFTER 151 00:09:18,658 --> 00:09:36,176 SHE'S GONE BECAUSE HE'S GOT LIFE >> Reporter: EARLY THE MORNING 152 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:40,313 AFTER BETSY'S MURDER, THERE WAS A LOUD KNOCK AT THE DOOR OF 153 00:09:40,313 --> 00:09:44,584 BETSY'S MOTHER, JANET. >> FOUR SERGEANTS MARCHED RIGHT 154 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:46,686 IN ONE OF THEM JUST LOOKED RIGHT AT 155 00:09:46,686 --> 00:09:47,854 ME AND SAID, "BETSY'S DEAD." >> Reporter: THAT'S THE WAY IT 156 00:09:47,854 --> 00:09:49,356 WAS ANNOUNCED? >> THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS TOLD TO 157 00:09:49,356 --> 00:09:52,525 ME BLUNT, LIKE THAT 158 00:09:52,525 --> 00:09:54,661 AND THEN I SAID, "WHAT HAPPENED? CAR ACCIDENT?" 159 00:09:54,661 --> 00:10:00,066 HE SAID, "NO, IT WAS A VIOLENT DEATH. 160 00:10:00,066 --> 00:10:01,534 >> Reporter: MARIAH, THE YOUNGER OF BETSY'S TWO DAUGHTERS, WAS AT 161 00:10:01,534 --> 00:10:08,441 HER GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE THAT DAY. 162 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:09,642 >> IT WAS JUST A LOT OF SHOCK. JUST A LOT OF TEARS STREAMING 163 00:10:09,642 --> 00:10:11,111 DOWN MY FACE I JUST REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT 164 00:10:11,111 --> 00:10:12,746 TO THINK >> Reporter: AND THAT SENSE OF 165 00:10:12,746 --> 00:10:18,018 SUDDEN LOSS MUST BE OVERPOWERING 166 00:10:18,018 --> 00:10:22,255 >> I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED LOSS BEFORE MY MOM. 167 00:10:22,255 --> 00:10:26,493 >> Reporter: WORSE, SAID MARIAH, THE POLICE SEEMED TO THINK RUSS 168 00:10:26,493 --> 00:10:28,128 DID IT RUSS, THE ONLY FATHER FIGURE 169 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:31,197 SHE'D EVER KNOWN SHE WAS 3 WHEN HE MET BETSY. 170 00:10:31,197 --> 00:10:32,899 DID HE FEEL LIKE A DAD, LIKE A FATHER 171 00:10:32,899 --> 00:10:37,837 >> OH, YEAH. I'VE ALWAYS CALLED HIM "DAD" 172 00:10:37,837 --> 00:10:38,972 FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER >> Reporter: POLICE LEANED HARD 173 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:42,642 ON RUSS. >> I DID NOT STAB MY WIFE. 174 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:46,846 I DID NOT DO IT. >> Reporter: WAS RUSS CAPABLE OF 175 00:10:46,846 --> 00:10:50,150 SUCH A THING NO, SAID BETSY'S MOTHER, THAT 176 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:51,751 FIRST DAY. >> RUSS HAD BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME 177 00:10:51,751 --> 00:10:53,253 ALL THESE YEARS. >> Reporter: YOU WERE CLOSE TO 178 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:54,788 HIM. >> I WAS CLOSE TO HIM. 179 00:10:54,788 --> 00:10:56,990 >> Reporter: IT'S LIKE HE WAS A SON, IN A WAY. 180 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,558 >> UH-HUH. >> Reporter: BUT EARLY ON, 181 00:10:58,558 --> 00:11:00,694 INVESTIGATORS WERE ALSO TALKING TO - 182 00:11:00,694 --> 00:11:02,829 >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR LAST NAME FOR US, PLEASE 183 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:06,066 >> HUPP. "H-U-P-P." 184 00:11:06,066 --> 00:11:07,734 [ CRYING ] >> Reporter: PAM HUPP, THE 185 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:10,770 FRIEND WHO DROVE BETSY HOME THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER. 186 00:11:10,770 --> 00:11:14,507 THE TWO WOMEN MET A DECADE EARLIER WHEN THEY BOTH WORKED AT 187 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:17,143 THE SAME INSURANCE AGENCY. OFFICERS TALKED TO PAM AT HER 188 00:11:17,143 --> 00:11:19,279 HOME THE MORNING AFTER IT HAPPENED 189 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:22,449 >> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF AS -- YOUR FRIENDSHIP AS BEST 190 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:26,720 FRIENDS OR - >> UM, BETSY HAD A LOT OF BEST 191 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,822 FRIENDS. BUT YES, I -- I SAW HER ALMOST 192 00:11:28,822 --> 00:11:31,491 EVERY DAY, EVERY OTHER DAY >> Reporter: THEY ASKED RUSS 193 00:11:31,491 --> 00:11:33,626 ABOUT PAM. >> SHE'S A GOOD PERSON 194 00:11:33,626 --> 00:11:37,163 SHE'S VERY FRIENDLY. >> YOU DON'T THINK SHE'D HAVE 195 00:11:37,163 --> 00:11:40,533 ANYTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT YOU? >> NO. 196 00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:42,902 >> Reporter: AND LATER ASKED HIM WHO ELSE THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING 197 00:11:42,902 --> 00:11:45,839 AT >> WHO COULD HAVE BEEN OVER AT 198 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:47,974 THE HOUSE DURING THE TIME -- THAT TIME? 199 00:11:47,974 --> 00:11:50,744 >> THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN 200 00:11:50,744 --> 00:11:53,813 PAM, BUT I DON'T THINK PAM WOULD DO THAT. 201 00:11:53,813 --> 00:11:59,619 >> Reporter: OF COURSE, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SHE WAS SAYING. 202 00:11:59,619 --> 00:12:03,857 >> HE'S VERBALLY MEAN TO HER HE SMOKES IN THE HOUSE, EVEN 203 00:12:03,857 --> 00:12:06,192 THOUGH SHE'S BEEN SICK, AND DOESN'T CARE 204 00:12:06,192 --> 00:12:09,262 >> SORT OF DISRESPECTFUL >> OH, HE'S VERY DISRESPECTFUL 205 00:12:09,262 --> 00:12:11,531 HE MAKES COMMENTS ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY HE'LL HAVE AFTER SHE'S 206 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:17,671 GONE 'CAUSE HE'S GOT LIFE INSURANCE ON HER AT WORK 207 00:12:17,671 --> 00:12:24,077 SHE'S GOT LIFE INSURANCE JUST INSENSITIVE STUFF WHICH 208 00:12:24,077 --> 00:12:25,645 WOULD UPSET HER. >> Reporter: GOT SO BAD, SAID 209 00:12:25,645 --> 00:12:27,781 PAM, THAT BETSY WAS SECRETLY PLANNING TO DIVORCE HIM. 210 00:12:27,781 --> 00:12:30,950 THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT HOW RUSS WAS DESCRIBING HIS MARRIAGE TO 211 00:12:30,950 --> 00:12:33,486 DETECTIVES >> WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD 212 00:12:33,486 --> 00:12:37,323 RELATIONSHIP >> OKAY. 213 00:12:37,323 --> 00:12:39,993 NO HISTORY OF ANY KIND OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BETWEEN YOU OR 214 00:12:39,993 --> 00:12:42,696 HER OR - >> WE -- WE WERE -- WE ARGUED 215 00:12:42,696 --> 00:12:45,799 QUITE A BIT A FEW -- QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, 216 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:49,536 SIX YEARS AGO. WE SEPARATED BECAUSE WE COULDN'T 217 00:12:49,536 --> 00:12:54,307 GET ALONG. BUT THERE WAS NO VIOLENCE OR 218 00:12:54,307 --> 00:12:56,443 ANYTHING INVOLVED. >> Reporter: AND THEN THEY 219 00:12:56,443 --> 00:12:59,112 JOINED A NEW CHURCH AND FELL IN LOVE AGAIN 220 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:01,214 >> WE WENT AND TALKED TO PASTOR MIKE, AND HE GAVE US SOME 221 00:13:01,214 --> 00:13:04,417 COUNSELING >> YOU GO TO MORNING STAR? 222 00:13:04,417 --> 00:13:06,519 >> YOU KNOW MIKE >> I KNOW PASTOR MIKE. 223 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:15,562 >> MIKE'S A GREAT GUY. >> MIKE IS A GOOD GUY. 224 00:13:15,562 --> 00:13:16,930 >> HE'S A GOOD FRIEND. >> Reporter: MEANWHILE, THIS 225 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:21,368 FROM PAM >> HE'D START PLAYING THIS GAME 226 00:13:21,368 --> 00:13:23,503 OF PUTTING A PILLOW OVER HER FACE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD FEEL 227 00:13:23,503 --> 00:13:26,139 LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW IF HE SAID, "THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO FEEL 228 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:27,741 AND THEN ACT LIKE HE WAS KIDDING. 229 00:13:27,741 --> 00:13:33,680 >> UH-HUH. >> SHE WAS VERY UPSET. 230 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,148 >> Reporter: AND AS PAM ACCUSED, DETECTIVES CONFRONTED RUSS 231 00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,283 >> YOU NEVER PUT A PILLOW OVER HER FACE AND SAID -- 232 00:13:37,283 --> 00:13:38,885 >> NO. >> -- YOU KNOW, "THIS IS WHAT IT 233 00:13:38,885 --> 00:13:42,088 WOULD FEEL LIKE TO DIE"? >> NO. 234 00:13:42,088 --> 00:13:44,190 >> WHY WOULD HER FRIENDS TELL THE POLICE THAT YOU HAD DONE 235 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:46,693 THAT AND SHE WAS SCARED OF YOU >> SHE HAD NO REASON TO BE 236 00:13:46,693 --> 00:13:52,098 SCARED OF ME SHE'S NEVER BEEN SCARED OF ME. 237 00:13:52,098 --> 00:13:53,767 >> Reporter: BUT ONCE POLICE LOOKED AT THE CRIME SCENE, 238 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:56,936 PAM HUPP'S VERSION OF THINGS SEEMED TO THEM MORE LIKELY 239 00:13:56,936 --> 00:14:00,140 THEY FOUND RUSS'S SLIPPERS IN HIS BEDROOM CLOSET, STAINED WITH 240 00:14:00,140 --> 00:14:02,776 BETSY'S BLOOD. AND HER BLOOD ON A LIGHT SWITCH 241 00:14:02,776 --> 00:14:04,744 IN THE BEDROOM MUST HAVE BEEN RUSS, THEY 242 00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:09,683 THOUGHT, WITH HIS BLOODY HANDS WHO PUT IT THERE 243 00:14:09,683 --> 00:14:10,784 >> THERE'S BLOOD ON YOUR CLOTHES, IN YOUR RESIDENCE, IN 244 00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:12,886 YOUR BEDROOM >> I DIDN'T EVEN GO TO MY 245 00:14:12,886 --> 00:14:18,224 BEDROOM. >> Reporter: OFF AND ON THEY 246 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:21,895 QUESTIONED HIM FOR 16 HOURS. RUSS DID NOT GIVE THEM THE 247 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:25,598 CONFESSION THEY WANTED BUT MAYBE THERE WAS A WAY TO GET 248 00:14:25,598 --> 00:14:31,438 THERE. AND THEY HOOKED HIM UP TO A 249 00:14:31,438 --> 00:14:35,175 POLYGRAPH. >>> COMING UP, BETSY'S DAUGHTER 250 00:14:35,175 --> 00:14:37,811 SAYS INVESTIGATORS PUSHED THE FAMILY HARD TO BELIEVE RUSS WAS 251 00:14:37,811 --> 00:14:40,480 A KILLER >> Reporter: THAT'S AN AMAZING 252 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:46,086 TURN, ISN'T IT A PERSON YOU LOVED IS SUDDENLY, 253 00:14:46,086 --> 00:14:49,823 BOOM, THE ENEMY. >> YEAH, IT WAS JUST KIND OF 254 00:14:49,823 --> 00:15:07,240 >>> ALL RIGHT. HOW DO YOU THINK YOU DID 255 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,478 >> Reporter: IT WAS A TRICK QUESTION OF SORTS. 256 00:15:11,478 --> 00:15:13,113 RUSS WAS OPERATING ON NO SLEEP, GRILLED FOR MANY HOURS, TOLD 257 00:15:13,113 --> 00:15:17,851 THEM HE'D SMOKED WEED AT GAME NIGHT. 258 00:15:17,851 --> 00:15:21,054 NOT THE RIGHT CONDITIONS FOR A POLYGRAPH. 259 00:15:21,054 --> 00:15:23,156 BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND IF THE COPS KNEW, WELL, 260 00:15:23,156 --> 00:15:25,291 MAYBE THEY DIDN'T CARE >> I HAD TO HAVE PASSED. 261 00:15:25,291 --> 00:15:28,461 >> YOU HAD TO HAVE PASSED. OKAY 262 00:15:28,461 --> 00:15:33,867 I DO THIS FOR A LIVING YOU ARE NOT 100% HONEST WITH ME. 263 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:35,335 >> I WAS I WAS HONEST 264 00:15:35,335 --> 00:15:37,437 HONESTLY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE THING WAS ON OR NOT. 265 00:15:37,437 --> 00:15:39,739 >> Reporter: THEN THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD HIM -- 266 00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:41,207 >> YOUR WIFE WAS STABBED OVER 25 TIMES, RUSS 267 00:15:41,207 --> 00:15:43,843 >> OH, MY GOD. NO 268 00:15:43,843 --> 00:15:45,979 >> OVER 25 TIMES THEY'RE STILL COUNTING 269 00:15:45,979 --> 00:15:55,555 >> THAT'S SOMEBODY WHO LOST CONTROL OF THEIR EMOTIONS AND 270 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:58,091 COULDN'T STOP. >> THERE'S NO WAY THAT I DID 271 00:15:58,091 --> 00:15:59,259 THIS >> THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THAT HAS 272 00:15:59,259 --> 00:16:00,360 ANY KIND OF MOTIVE, MONETARY OR -- CRIME OF PASSION 273 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,462 >> I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT I DON'T KNOW 274 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:05,632 I DON'T KNOW >> Reporter: AFTER THAT 275 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:07,434 POLYGRAPH, DETECTIVES HAD HAD ENOUGH OF RUSS'S DENIALS - 276 00:16:07,434 --> 00:16:08,835 >> ALL OF THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO YOU. 277 00:16:08,835 --> 00:16:15,742 >> Reporter: -- AND ARRESTED HIM. 278 00:16:15,742 --> 00:16:18,411 >> TURN AROUND AND PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK 279 00:16:18,411 --> 00:16:20,547 >> Reporter: PROSECUTOR ASKEY THOUGHT THE CRIME SCREAMED RAGE 280 00:16:20,547 --> 00:16:26,886 MURDER, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PATHOLOGIST ULTIMATELY COUNTED 281 00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:29,055 56 STAB WOUNDS AND RUSS CALLING IT IN AS A 282 00:16:29,055 --> 00:16:32,726 SUICIDE, SHE SAID, WAS FURTHER PROOF HE DID IT. 283 00:16:32,726 --> 00:16:37,063 BUT WE WONDERED. DO YOU THINK HE WOULD'VE CALLED 284 00:16:37,063 --> 00:16:38,164 IN AND SAID SHE COMMITTED SUICIDE WHEN HE WOULD KNOW THAT 285 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:39,766 THEY WOULD BE THERE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AND THEY WOULD LOOK 286 00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:43,703 AT HER BODY AND REALIZE, "THIS AIN'T A SUICIDE -- IT'S A 287 00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:46,072 HOMICIDE"? >> WELL, I THINK THAT THE -- THE 288 00:16:46,072 --> 00:16:48,775 HOPE IS THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT OF SOPHISTICATED 289 00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:50,810 LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT IN THIS AREA 290 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:52,479 >> Reporter: STILL, LEAH ASKEY TOLD THE DETECTIVES, SHE NEEDED 291 00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:54,514 MORE THAN A POLYGRAPH, FAILED OR NOT. 292 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:57,183 WHY DIDN'T YOU CHARGE HIM RIGHT THEN 293 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:59,819 >> BECAUSE A POLYGRAPH ISN'T ADMISSIBLE 294 00:16:59,819 --> 00:17:04,591 >> Reporter: ADMISSIBLE IN COURT, THAT IS 295 00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:06,159 SO WITHOUT CHARGES, 24 HOURS AFTER HIS ARREST, THEY HAD TO 296 00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:08,828 RELEASE HIM. >> NO COMMENT. 297 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:10,397 >> DID YOU KILL YOU WIFE >> NO COMMENT. 298 00:17:10,397 --> 00:17:13,600 >> Reporter: AND IN NO TIME AT ALL, THE STORY WAS ALL OVER TOWN 299 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:21,541 THAT RUSS WAS THE PRIME AND ONLY SUSPECT. 300 00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:22,609 >> I'D LIKE TO SAY GET OUT OF MY FACE 301 00:17:22,609 --> 00:17:24,210 >> AND BOY, THIS CASE HAS REALLY BEEN TAKING A LOT OF TURNS 302 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:25,412 TODAY. >> Reporter: YES, AND MORE TO 303 00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:30,116 COME BECAUSE THE LINCOLN COUNTY 304 00:17:30,116 --> 00:17:31,785 DETECTIVES SEEMED CONVINCED. >> THEY BROUGHT MY MOM'S ENTIRE 305 00:17:31,785 --> 00:17:34,888 FAMILY INTO LINCOLN COUNTY THAT WEEK, AND THEY TOLD US, "THIS IS 306 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,489 OUR GUY. >> Reporter: AND YOU KIND OF 307 00:17:36,489 --> 00:17:39,359 FELT THAT THERE WAS NO OPTION BUT TO ACCEPT THAT 308 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,429 >> RIGHT >> Reporter: THAT'S AN AMAZING 309 00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:44,898 TURN, ISN'T IT A PERSON YOU HAD LOVED AND 310 00:17:44,898 --> 00:17:46,566 LAUGHED WITH AND HAD ADMIRED FOR A LONG TIME IS SUDDENLY, BOOM, 311 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:50,770 THE ENEMY. >> YEAH. 312 00:17:50,770 --> 00:17:53,406 WELL, IT TOOK A LOT OF PERSUADING FOR ME. 313 00:17:53,406 --> 00:18:04,718 SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF THEM BULLYING AND USING THEIR POWER 314 00:18:04,718 --> 00:18:05,719 TO MANIPULATE US >> Reporter: BUT THE DETECTIVES 315 00:18:05,719 --> 00:18:07,721 NEEDED MORE EVIDENCE SO A WEEK AFTER THE MURDER, 316 00:18:07,721 --> 00:18:09,322 AFTER FAMILY HAD BEEN IN AND OUT, OFFICERS RETURNED TO THE 317 00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,458 FARIA HOUSE AND SPRAYED THE INTERIOR WITH LUMINOL, THAT 318 00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:13,059 CHEMICAL THAT LIGHTS UP WHEN TRACE AMOUNTS OF BLOOD OR 319 00:18:13,059 --> 00:18:17,263 CLEANING CHEMICALS ARE DETECTED. AND VOILA! 320 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:20,433 THEY SAID THEY COULD SEE GLOWING SPOTS LEADING TO A KITCHEN TOWEL 321 00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:31,077 DRAWER WHICH THEY FIGURED ONLY SOMEONE WHO LIVED THERE WOULD 322 00:18:31,077 --> 00:18:32,078 KNOW HOW TO FIND SO RUSS MUST HAVE CLEANED UP THE 323 00:18:32,078 --> 00:18:32,779 BLOOD. THEY TOOK PICTURES OF IT 324 00:18:32,779 --> 00:18:36,516 BUT THEY DIDN'T TURN OUT CAMERA MALFUNCTIONED, THEY SAID. 325 00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:37,951 WOULDN'T YOU WANNA SEE THE -- THE RESULTS OF THE TEST? 326 00:18:37,951 --> 00:18:39,052 WOULDN'T YOU WANNA SEE THE PHOTOGRAPHS? 327 00:18:39,052 --> 00:18:40,620 >> I MEAN, IN THE PERFECT WORLD, I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL KINDS OF 328 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,390 THINGS I MEAN, BUT IT ISN'T TELEVISION. 329 00:18:43,390 --> 00:18:45,692 PEOPLE DON'T DROP THE GUN -- >> Reporter: BUT - 330 00:18:45,692 --> 00:18:48,728 >> -- DOWN THE DRAIN AND THEN FIND IT IN TWO -- TEN MINUTES. 331 00:18:48,728 --> 00:18:51,498 THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS. >> Reporter: AND SO LEAH ASKEY 332 00:18:51,498 --> 00:18:57,604 TOOK THEIR WORD FOR IT AND FILED A MURDER CHARGE. 333 00:18:57,604 --> 00:18:59,773 >> LITERALLY THE DAY AFTER THE FUNERAL, THEY CAME AND GOT ME 334 00:18:59,773 --> 00:19:03,443 FROM MY MOM'S HOUSE AND CHARGED ME WITH MURDER 335 00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:05,011 >> Reporter: THEY TOOK RUSS TO THE LINCOLN COUNTY JAIL. 336 00:19:05,011 --> 00:19:13,253 HIS COUSIN MARY WENT TO VISIT HIM THERE. 337 00:19:13,253 --> 00:19:14,821 HOW'S HE TAKING IT >> NOT GOOD. 338 00:19:14,821 --> 00:19:17,023 I MEAN, I THINK HE'S CONFUSED. HE'S HURT. 339 00:19:17,023 --> 00:19:18,158 HE NEVER GOT TO GRIEVE HIS WIFE. HOW DO YOU PROVE TO SOMEBODY 340 00:19:18,158 --> 00:19:21,761 THAT, WITHOUT A DOUBT, YOU DID NOT DO THIS? 341 00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:26,032 >> Reporter: HOW INDEED. >>> COMING UP -- 342 00:19:26,032 --> 00:19:29,469 RUSS'S GAME NIGHT BUDDIES PROVIDE WHAT SOUNDS LIKE A SLAM 343 00:19:29,469 --> 00:19:31,838 DUNK ALIBI >> ONCE WE HEARD THE TIMELINE, 344 00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:34,040 WE KNEW THAT HE COULD NOT HAVE COMMITTED THIS CRIME 345 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,609 >> Reporter: IMPOSSIBLE? >> A MAN CANNOT BE IN TWO PLACES 346 00:19:36,609 --> 00:19:37,711 AT THE SAME TIME >> BUT - 347 00:19:37,711 --> 00:19:44,584 >> Reporter: ISN'T THAT A PRETTY IRONCLAD ALIBI 348 00:19:44,584 --> 00:19:45,051 IRONCLAD ALIBI >> I DIDN'T THINK SO 349 00:20:05,372 --> 00:20:06,639 AGAINST RUSS FARIA, NOW CHARGED WITH MURDER, HIS COUSIN MARY GOT 350 00:20:06,639 --> 00:20:08,508 BUSY AS IT HAPPENED, ONE OF LIFE'S 351 00:20:08,508 --> 00:20:13,813 COINCIDENCES, MARY KNEW WHO TO CALL 352 00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:16,483 SHE WAS A LEGAL SECRETARY ONCE AND HER BOSS WAS JOEL SCHWARTZ 353 00:20:16,483 --> 00:20:19,652 >> JOEL'S A VERY GOOD ATTORNEY, COMES FROM A VERY GOOD FIRM. 354 00:20:19,652 --> 00:20:22,322 HE HAS A VERY GOOD BACKGROUND. >> Reporter: SO ATTORNEY 355 00:20:22,322 --> 00:20:25,525 SCHWARTZ GOT BUSY, TOO AND AS HE DUG IN, HE COULD SEE 356 00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:30,830 THE CASE AGAINST RUSS DID NOT MAKE SENSE 357 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:34,000 FIRST HE DISCOVERED THAT THE STORY ABOUT A BAD MARRIAGE JUST 358 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,670 WASN'T TRUE. >> THE PEOPLE WHO I'VE SPOKEN TO 359 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:42,509 TOLD ME THAT THE TWO OF THEM HAD FALLEN BACK IN LOVE. 360 00:20:42,509 --> 00:20:44,577 >> Reporter: NEXT HE CHECKED RUSS'S ALIBI, WHICH WAS A 361 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:50,450 REGULAR, WEEKLY GAME NIGHT WITH FRIENDS EVERY TUESDAY, 6:00 TO 362 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:51,618 9:00, MIKE CORBIN'S HOUSE. >> WE WERE ALL WITHIN EIGHT FEET 363 00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:52,852 OF EACH OTHER THE WHOLE NIGHT. >> Reporter: DID HE ACT THE SAME 364 00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:55,855 AS USUAL >> OH, YEAH. 365 00:20:55,855 --> 00:21:01,695 >> Reporter: AND THEN RUSS LEFT AT 9:00, STOPPED AT AN ARBY'S 366 00:21:01,695 --> 00:21:04,798 DRIVE-THROUGH, AND LEFT WITH TWO JUNIOR CHEDDAR MELTS AND A 367 00:21:04,798 --> 00:21:11,404 RECEIPT STAMPED 9:09 P.M AND THEN HE DROVE 25 MILES TO 368 00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:13,573 HIS HOUSE ARRIVING JUST BEFORE 9:40 369 00:21:13,573 --> 00:21:15,842 WALKED IN, SAW HIS WIFE ON THE FLOOR AND CALLED 911 370 00:21:15,842 --> 00:21:17,077 >> ONCE WE HEARD THE TIMELINE, WE KNEW THAT HE COULD NOT HAVE 371 00:21:17,077 --> 00:21:20,080 COMMITTED THIS CRIME >> Reporter: IMPOSSIBLE? 372 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,815 >> IT'S IMPOSSIBLE A MAN CANNOT BE IN TWO PLACES AT 373 00:21:21,815 --> 00:21:24,184 THE SAME TIME. >> Reporter: SCHWARTZ THOUGHT 374 00:21:24,184 --> 00:21:26,453 THE SAME THING IN FACT, IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST 375 00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:29,122 ALIBIS HE'D EVER HEARD BUT LEAH ASKEY 376 00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:39,766 ISN'T THAT A PRETTY IRONCLAD ALIBI? 377 00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:41,334 >> I DIDN'T THINK SO >> I DIDN'T THINK SO 378 00:21:41,334 --> 00:21:42,936 >> Reporter: I MEAN, HOW - >> I MEAN -- 379 00:21:42,936 --> 00:21:44,537 [ LAUGHTER ] >> Reporter: HOW GOOD DOES AN 380 00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:45,739 ALIBI HAVE TO BE TO SATISFY YOU? >> I -- I JUST -- THERE WERE 381 00:21:45,739 --> 00:21:47,240 LOTS OF THINGS ABOUT IT THAT GAVE ME PAUSE. 382 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,809 >> Reporter: ALL THOSE FOUR PEOPLE MIGHT'VE BEEN LYING TO 383 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:54,614 PROTECT HIM TO COVER FOR THE MURDER OF HIS WIFE 384 00:21:54,614 --> 00:21:56,750 >> WELL, I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW THAT -- IT WAS NEVER MY -- 385 00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:59,386 NECESSARILY MY -- MY THOUGHT PROCESS THAT THEY WERE COVERING 386 00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:05,258 FOR THAT I THOUGHT POTENTIALLY THEY 387 00:22:05,258 --> 00:22:09,162 THOUGHT HE WAS OFF HAVING A RENDEZVOUS WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND, 388 00:22:09,162 --> 00:22:10,063 WHICH WAS A CONSISTENT THING THAT HAPPENED. 389 00:22:10,063 --> 00:22:11,297 >> Reporter: RIDICULOUS, SAID SCHWARTZ 390 00:22:11,297 --> 00:22:15,535 AND ANYWAY, HE'D QUICKLY LEARNED THERE WAS NO GIRLFRIEND. 391 00:22:15,535 --> 00:22:21,441 AND WHEN HE READ REPORTS FROM FIRST RESPONDERS WHO ARRIVED 392 00:22:21,441 --> 00:22:24,844 TEN MINUTES AFTER RUSS CALLED 911, SCHWARTZ SAW EVIDENCE BETSY 393 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:27,981 WAS VERY LIKELY KILLED WHILE RUSS WAS WITH HIS FRIENDS AT 394 00:22:27,981 --> 00:22:30,083 GAME NIGHT >> A FIREMAN AND AN EMS 395 00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:31,685 SUPERVISOR STATED THAT THE BODY WAS STIFF, THAT THE BODY WAS 396 00:22:31,685 --> 00:22:34,320 COOLING, AND THAT THE BLOOD WAS POOLING AND DRYING 397 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,091 SO IT -- >> Reporter: WHICH MEANT WHAT? 398 00:22:38,091 --> 00:22:45,665 >> IT MEANT THAT A COUPLE HOURS HAD PASSED SINCE THE TIME SHE 399 00:22:45,665 --> 00:22:47,100 HAD BEEN MURDERED. PUTS THE DEATH AROUND 7:15 TO 400 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:49,235 7:30, IN MY MIND >> Reporter: LEAH ASKEY HAD 401 00:22:49,235 --> 00:22:51,304 HEARD THAT, TOO. BUT DISMISSED IT 402 00:22:51,304 --> 00:22:52,906 >> THE WAY THEY CHECKED FOR RIGOR MORTIS IS WITH THEIR -- I 403 00:22:52,906 --> 00:22:54,574 MEAN, IT WAS COLD. IT WAS -- IT WAS A COLD NIGHT. 404 00:22:54,574 --> 00:22:59,179 THEY HAD THE DOORS OPEN IN THE HOUSE. 405 00:22:59,179 --> 00:23:05,118 AND THEY HAD GLOVES ON THEY HAD FULL COATS ON 406 00:23:05,118 --> 00:23:07,253 AND THEY TOUCHED HER FOREARM FOR A MANNER OF ABOUT A SECOND 407 00:23:07,253 --> 00:23:11,491 >> Reporter: AS FOR ALL THOSE STAB WOUNDS? 408 00:23:11,491 --> 00:23:13,727 SCHWARTZ DISCOVERED THAT MANY OF THEM WERE INFLICTED AFTER BETSY 409 00:23:13,727 --> 00:23:18,932 WAS DEAD AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ODD 410 00:23:18,932 --> 00:23:21,134 ABOUT THEM >> THERE WAS NO IRREGULARITIES 411 00:23:21,134 --> 00:23:25,839 IN THE WOUND, MEANING NO SIDE TO SIDE MOVEMENT OF THE KNIFE 412 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,073 >> Reporter: THIS WASN'T SOMEBODY MADLY SLASHING AWAY 413 00:23:27,073 --> 00:23:29,075 >> IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SOMEONE MADLY SLASHING AWAY 414 00:23:29,075 --> 00:23:32,746 IT SEEMS TO BE EXTREMELY METHODICAL, SOMEBODY WHO - 415 00:23:32,746 --> 00:23:34,347 >> Reporter: AS IF SOMEBODY KILLED HER AND THEN AFTERWARDS 416 00:23:34,347 --> 00:23:36,082 WENT ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF MAKING IT LOOK AS IF SOMEBODY 417 00:23:36,082 --> 00:23:40,854 HAD BEEN SLASHING HER? >> NOT "AS IF. 418 00:23:40,854 --> 00:23:44,424 SOMEBODY DID THAT. >> Reporter: A FRAME-UP, IN 419 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:47,594 OTHER WORDS. LIKEWISE, THE SLIPPERS 420 00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:54,834 RUSS'S SLIPPERS WITH BETSY'S BLOOD ON THEM FOUND IN HIS 421 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:55,702 CLOSET WHERE HE SAID HE NEVER KEPT THEM. 422 00:23:55,702 --> 00:23:58,104 >> THERE WAS NO IMPRINT OF A SHOE IN THE BLOOD, NOR WAS THERE 423 00:23:58,104 --> 00:23:59,539 ANY FOOTPRINT LEADING BACK TO WHERE THE SLIPPERS WERE FOUND. 424 00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:00,573 SOMEBODY ATTEMPTED TO STAGE THIS 425 00:24:00,573 --> 00:24:03,777 >> Reporter: DIPPED IT IN THE BLOOD? 426 00:24:03,777 --> 00:24:05,111 >> DIPPED IT IN THE BLOOD. >> Reporter: BUT WHEN POLICE 427 00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:08,048 EXAMINED RUSS AND THE CLOTHES HE WAS WEARING -- 428 00:24:08,048 --> 00:24:10,684 >> THERE WAS NOT A SPECK OF BLOOD. 429 00:24:10,684 --> 00:24:11,885 AND THE -- EVEN THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAID, "YEAH, YOU WOULD 430 00:24:11,885 --> 00:24:13,853 EXPECT TO FIND BLOOD ALL OVER SOMEBODY WHO COMMITTED THIS 431 00:24:13,853 --> 00:24:17,891 CRIME. OR AT LEAST SOME BLOOD ON THEM." 432 00:24:17,891 --> 00:24:20,226 >> Reporter: SO AFTER HIS OWN INITIAL INVESTIGATION, SCHWARTZ 433 00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:23,430 WAS PUZZLED. THERE SEEMED TO BE NO REAL 434 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:27,133 EVIDENCE AGAINST RUSS. >> THE INVESTIGATORS, I THINK, 435 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,135 MADE A SNAP JUDGMENT THAT THE HUSBAND KILLED THE WIFE. 436 00:24:29,135 --> 00:24:30,337 AND I THINK THAT CLOUDED THEIR JUDGMENT AND THEIR 437 00:24:30,337 --> 00:24:31,905 INVESTIGATION. AND THEN IT SORT OF SNOWBALLED 438 00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:34,774 FROM THERE >> Reporter: "SO," SCHWARTZ 439 00:24:34,774 --> 00:24:38,311 THOUGHT, "IF IT WASN'T RUSS, WHO WAS IT 440 00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:44,684 WHO ELSE WAS WITH BETSY THAT DAY AND NIGHT? 441 00:24:44,684 --> 00:24:49,522 THE ANSWER WAS PAM PAM WHO SEEMED ALMOST TO HAVE 442 00:24:49,522 --> 00:24:53,193 BEEN STALKING BETSY AS SHE NAVIGATED CHEMO AND A VISIT WITH 443 00:24:53,193 --> 00:24:57,964 HER MOM. >> SHE RECEIVED A TEXT FROM 444 00:24:57,964 --> 00:24:59,899 PAM HUPP PAM WANTED TO JOIN HER AT CHEMO. 445 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:02,202 AND SHE TEXTED BACK TO PAM SAYING, "IT'S OKAY 446 00:25:02,202 --> 00:25:04,337 I DON'T NEED A RIDE. MY MOTHER'S FRIEND IS IN TOWN, 447 00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:07,874 AND SHE'S GONNA TAKE ME. >> Reporter: DAUGHTER MARIAH 448 00:25:07,874 --> 00:25:11,811 OVERHEARD ALL THIS >> I JUST REMEMBER PAM HUPP 449 00:25:11,811 --> 00:25:14,481 WANTING TO COME. AND MY MOM WAS JUST LIKE, "I 450 00:25:14,481 --> 00:25:18,151 REALLY HOPE THAT PAM HUPP DOESN'T COME." 451 00:25:18,151 --> 00:25:24,524 AND SHE TOLD HER NOT TO COME AND NEXT THING WE KNOW, SHE 452 00:25:24,524 --> 00:25:25,658 SHOWED UP AT CHEMOTHERAPY. >> Reporter: AND LATER SEEMED 453 00:25:25,658 --> 00:25:27,727 DETERMINED TO GIVE BETSY A RIDE HOME FROM HER MOM'S PLACE. 454 00:25:27,727 --> 00:25:30,363 >> NOW, THIS WAS APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES OUT OF MISS HUPP'S 455 00:25:30,363 --> 00:25:33,667 WAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE OFFERED TO 456 00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:35,635 DO IT, BECAUSE BETSY ALREADY HAD A RIDE HOME FROM RUSSELL 457 00:25:35,635 --> 00:25:39,372 THEY LEFT BETSY'S MOTHER'S HOUSE AROUND 6:30 IN THE EVENING 458 00:25:39,372 --> 00:25:43,076 >> Reporter: PAM AND BETSY ARRIVED BACK IN TROY AT THE 459 00:25:43,076 --> 00:25:47,347 FARIA HOUSE JUST AFTER 7:00. SCHWARTZ PICKED UP THE TRAIL 460 00:25:47,347 --> 00:25:51,685 WITH CELL PHONE DATA >> AT 7:04, THERE'S A CALL FROM 461 00:25:51,685 --> 00:25:53,753 PAM'S PHONE TO PAM'S HUSBAND AND IN THAT CALL, BETSY GETS ON 462 00:25:53,753 --> 00:26:01,161 THE PHONE. >> Reporter: VERY MUCH ALIVE 463 00:26:01,161 --> 00:26:03,263 BUT 17 MINUTES LATER - >> AT 7:21, THERE'S A CALL FROM 464 00:26:03,263 --> 00:26:07,534 BETSY'S DAUGHTER, UNANSWERED, TO BETSY. 465 00:26:07,534 --> 00:26:10,737 AT 7:26, THERE'S AN UNANSWERED CALL TO BETSY. 466 00:26:10,737 --> 00:26:13,373 AT 7:27, THERE'S A CALL FROM PAM HUPP'S CELL PHONE TO BETSY'S 467 00:26:13,373 --> 00:26:17,610 CELL PHONE >> Reporter: ALSO UNANSWERED 468 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:22,382 THAT CALL, PAM TOLD THE DETECTIVES, WAS TO LET BETSY 469 00:26:22,382 --> 00:26:25,552 KNOW SHE WAS HOME SAFE EXCEPT, SAID SCHWARTZ, THAT 470 00:26:25,552 --> 00:26:29,789 WASN'T POSSIBLE. >> IF YOU CALLED -- YOUR HUSBAND 471 00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:31,958 AT 7:04 AND THE NEXT CALL'S AT 7:27, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO 472 00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:33,727 HAVE BEEN HOME AT THAT TIME. IT'S AT LEAST A HALF AN HOUR'S 473 00:26:33,727 --> 00:26:35,762 DRIVE. AND SHE SAID SHE WENT INSIDE FOR 474 00:26:35,762 --> 00:26:38,832 10 TO 15 MINUTES SO SHE THEN SAID, "WELL, I WAS 475 00:26:38,832 --> 00:26:40,066 ALMOST HOME. >> Reporter: WHERE ACTUALLY WAS 476 00:26:40,066 --> 00:26:43,069 SHE, BASED ON THE CELL TOWER TRIANGULATION? 477 00:26:43,069 --> 00:26:44,137 >> AT THE VERY MOST, ABOUT THREE MILES FROM THE HOUSE 478 00:26:44,137 --> 00:26:49,509 AT THE VERY LEAST, SHE WAS STILL AT THE HOUSE 479 00:26:49,509 --> 00:26:51,111 >> Reporter: BUT THEN PAM QUICKLY ALTERED HER STORY. 480 00:26:51,111 --> 00:26:53,079 >> I CALLED HER BECAUSE SHE'S AFRAID 481 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:54,814 I ALWAYS GET LOST IN TROY, AND IT'S REALLY DARK 482 00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:58,551 >> UH-HUH. >> SO ACTUALLY, I WAS STILL IN 483 00:26:58,551 --> 00:27:00,120 TROY AND SAID, "OH" -- I EITHER SAID, "I'M ON MY WAY," OR, "I'M 484 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,721 HOME ALREADY." >> OKAY. 485 00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:04,924 >> SO SHE WOULDN'T WORRY >> Reporter: SCHWARTZ READ THE 486 00:27:04,924 --> 00:27:06,493 TRANSCRIPTS. HER STORY KEPT CHANGING. 487 00:27:06,493 --> 00:27:09,129 SHE DIDN'T GO INTO BETSY'S HOUSE. 488 00:27:09,129 --> 00:27:13,400 SHE DID GO IN. SHE STAYED FOR A LITTLE BIT. 489 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,502 SHE'D DIDN'T STAY. WHEN SHE LEFT, BETSY WAS ON THE 490 00:27:15,502 --> 00:27:20,807 COUCH. OR MAYBE NOT 491 00:27:20,807 --> 00:27:22,042 >> SHE MAY HAVE STILL BEEN ON THE COUCH, BUT TODAY IT MAKES 492 00:27:22,042 --> 00:27:25,612 SENSE THAT SHE WALKED ME TO THE DOOR 493 00:27:25,612 --> 00:27:31,951 >> Reporter: SCHWARTZ WAS CONVINCED THAT THE WRONG PERSON 494 00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:35,655 HAD BEEN ARRESTED. >>> COMING UP, BETSY'S FAMILY 495 00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:38,324 GETS STARTLING NEWS ABOUT PAM AND BETSY'S LIFE INSURANCE 496 00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:42,562 PAYOUT >> SHE CAME TO SHOW HER 497 00:27:42,562 --> 00:27:45,165 CONDOLENCES. THAT'S WHEN MY AUNTS FOUND OUT 498 00:27:45,165 --> 00:27:46,766 THAT SHE WAS THE BENEFICIARY MY AUNTS WERE JUST KIND OF, 499 00:27:46,766 --> 00:28:03,583 LIKE, IN SHOCK ABOUT IT. >>> I THINK THIS CRIME SCENE WAS 500 00:28:03,583 --> 00:28:06,753 STAGED AND IT WAS STAGED TO LOOK LIKE 501 00:28:06,753 --> 00:28:10,490 RUSS FARIA DID IT. >> Reporter: THE MURDER OF 502 00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:13,126 BETSY FARIA, JOEL SCHWARTZ CAME TO BELIEVE, WAS A STRAIGHT-OUT 503 00:28:13,126 --> 00:28:15,795 FRAME-UP OF BETSY'S HUSBAND RUSS, CARRIED OUT BY BETSY'S 504 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:22,736 FRIEND PAM HUPP. BUT WHY? 505 00:28:22,736 --> 00:28:24,037 ONE WORD INSURANCE. 506 00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:25,905 AS PAM HERSELF TOLD THE DETECTIVES - 507 00:28:25,905 --> 00:28:28,575 >> SHE SAID, "I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU THE BENEFICIARY. 508 00:28:28,575 --> 00:28:32,312 IF YOU COULD, WHEN MY DAUGHTERS ARE OLDER, GIVE THEM SOME 509 00:28:32,312 --> 00:28:37,617 MONEY. I SAID, "OKAY, WELL, HOW MUCH IS 510 00:28:37,617 --> 00:28:40,820 IT FOR?" "$150,000. 511 00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,922 >> Reporter: 150,000 IT WAS JUST TOO CONVENIENT 512 00:28:42,922 --> 00:28:48,895 BECAUSE SCHWARTZ LEARNED PAM BECAME THE BENEFICIARY FOUR DAYS 513 00:28:48,895 --> 00:28:50,930 BEFORE THE MURDER. AND IT WAS TRUE THAT BETSY 514 00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:53,600 WORRIED RUSS MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST STEWARD OF MONEY MEANT FOR 515 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,802 HER DAUGHTERS. BUT THE PERSON SHE'D FIRST ASKED 516 00:28:55,802 --> 00:29:01,508 TO TAKE CARE OF THE MONEY WAS NOT PAM BUT A FRIEND NAMED 517 00:29:01,508 --> 00:29:04,177 RITA WOLF. >> WHAT SHE TOLD ME WAS THAT SHE 518 00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:07,881 REALLY FELT THAT RUSS WOULD BE SO GRIEF STRICKEN THAT HE WOULD 519 00:29:07,881 --> 00:29:10,016 BLOW THE MONEY ON TOYS AND FUN AND WOULD NOT SPEND IT ON THE 520 00:29:10,016 --> 00:29:13,186 GIRLS AND HELPING THE GIRLS START A LIFE 521 00:29:13,186 --> 00:29:14,821 >> AND SO SHE ASKED RITA, "WELL, COULD YOU TAKE CARE OF IT TO 522 00:29:14,821 --> 00:29:16,389 MAKE SURE THE MONEY'S THERE FOR THE GIRLS? 523 00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:18,792 >> Reporter: THIS IS NATE SWANSON, SCHWARTZ'S 524 00:29:18,792 --> 00:29:25,932 CO-COUNSEL >> RITA SAID, "I'M NOT 525 00:29:25,932 --> 00:29:27,033 COMFORTABLE DOING THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A 526 00:29:27,033 --> 00:29:29,135 TRUST SET UP, SOMETHING THAT IS LEGALLY BINDING TO MAKE SURE 527 00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:31,438 THAT MONEY'S THERE DON'T JUST GIVE IT TO SOMEONE. 528 00:29:31,438 --> 00:29:32,939 WHICH JUST BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY WOULD BETSY, HAVING HEARD 529 00:29:32,939 --> 00:29:35,075 THIS FROM RITA, TURN AROUND AND DO EXACTLY THAT THING TO SOMEONE 530 00:29:35,075 --> 00:29:39,779 ELSE >> Reporter: WHAT DID YOU THINK 531 00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:41,881 ABOUT THAT >> I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT HOW 532 00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:44,050 WEIRD IT WAS >> Reporter: WEIRDER STILL THE 533 00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:46,653 WAY THAT CHANGE OF BENEFICIARY WAS MADE 534 00:29:46,653 --> 00:29:50,056 >> SHE HAD ME MEET HER AT THE LIBRARY HERE IN WINGHAVEN. 535 00:29:50,056 --> 00:29:54,060 SHE WAS THERE ALREADY. SHE FILLED OUT THE FORM, SIGNED 536 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:56,062 IT WE WENT UP TO THE GIRL AT THE 537 00:29:56,062 --> 00:30:03,570 COUNTER, SHOWED HER OUR I.D.s, AND SHE WITNESSED IT 538 00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:05,805 >> Reporter: SEEMED FISHY TO SCHWARTZ 539 00:30:05,805 --> 00:30:07,407 HE FOUND THAT "GIRL AT THE COUNTER," AND SHE SAID IT WASN'T 540 00:30:07,407 --> 00:30:13,279 THE WAY PAM DESCRIBED IT AT ALL. SHE SAID PAM WAS IN CHARGE 541 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:14,280 PAM DID THE TALKING. BETSY HUNG BACK. 542 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:21,755 IT WAS A CHANGE OF BENEFICIARY RUSS KNEW NOTHING ABOUT. 543 00:30:21,755 --> 00:30:22,922 NOR DID ANY OF BETSY'S FRIENDS OR FAMILY UNTIL PAM VISITED 544 00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:25,458 BETSY'S MOM. >> SHE CAME TO SHOW HER 545 00:30:25,458 --> 00:30:28,161 CONDOLENCES. SHE GAVE MY GRANDMA A NECKLACE 546 00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:30,764 BUT THAT'S WHEN MY AUNTS FOUND OUT THAT SHE WAS THE 547 00:30:30,764 --> 00:30:36,636 BENEFICIARY. SHE JUST CASUALLY SAID IT. 548 00:30:36,636 --> 00:30:38,171 AND MY AUNTS WERE JUST KIND OF, LIKE, IN SHOCK ABOUT IT. 549 00:30:38,171 --> 00:30:47,747 >> Reporter: "WHAT?" >> YEAH. 550 00:30:47,747 --> 00:30:49,349 "WELL, YOU KNOW THAT MONEY'S FOR THE GIRLS, RIGHT?" 551 00:30:49,349 --> 00:30:51,151 AND SHE'S LIKE -- SHE JUST NODS HER HEAD 552 00:30:51,151 --> 00:30:54,154 >> Reporter: DO YOU THINK PAM HUPP PLAYED YOUR MOM 553 00:30:54,154 --> 00:30:56,222 >> OH, YEAH. >> BETSY WAS VERY GULLIBLE 554 00:30:56,222 --> 00:30:58,925 SHE'S A VERY TRUSTING AND LOYAL PERSON 555 00:30:58,925 --> 00:31:02,796 I THINK THAT SHE WAS MANIPULATED. 556 00:31:02,796 --> 00:31:04,197 AND I THINK SHE THOUGHT, "OKAY, I'LL JUST SIGN HERE BECAUSE THIS 557 00:31:04,197 --> 00:31:07,400 IS WHAT MY FRIEND PAM IS TELLING ME." 558 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,706 >> Reporter: THEN, FOUR DAYS AFTER THE BENEFICIARY CHANGE, 559 00:31:12,706 --> 00:31:18,945 PAM DROVE BETSY HOME, WHERE SHE WAS STABBED TO DEATH 560 00:31:18,945 --> 00:31:20,146 SEEMED CLEAR TO SCHWARTZ THAT PAM HAD THE MOTIVE, MEANS, AND 561 00:31:20,146 --> 00:31:25,418 OPPORTUNITY, HER TARGET WEAKENED BY CHEMO 562 00:31:25,418 --> 00:31:29,122 BUT WHILE SCHWARTZ THOUGHT THE WHOLE INSURANCE BUSINESS HELPED 563 00:31:29,122 --> 00:31:33,927 HIS CASE, ASKEY THOUGHT IT HELPED HERS. 564 00:31:33,927 --> 00:31:37,197 SHE FIGURED THAT RUSS MUST HAVE FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS BEING CUT 565 00:31:37,197 --> 00:31:40,867 OUT OF INSURANCE MONEY, MUST HAVE FLOWN INTO A RAGE AND 566 00:31:40,867 --> 00:31:44,004 MURDERED BETSY SO NO, PAM DIDN'T DO IT, SAID 567 00:31:44,004 --> 00:31:48,775 LEAH ASKEY SHE HELPED SOLVE IT. 568 00:31:48,775 --> 00:31:50,910 >> SHE HAD BEEN FORTHCOMING. SHE HAD BEEN HELPFUL 569 00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:53,113 SHE'D BEEN AGREEABLE TO DOING WHATEVER, LOOKING THROUGH 570 00:31:53,113 --> 00:31:55,181 WHATEVER >> Reporter: AND, IN FACT, JUST 571 00:31:55,181 --> 00:31:56,750 A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER BETSY WAS KILLED, THE LEAD DETECTIVE TOLD 572 00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:58,351 THE INSURANCE COMPANY -- >> "NO, SHE'S NOT A SUSPECT AT 573 00:31:58,351 --> 00:31:59,552 ALL. GO AHEAD." 574 00:31:59,552 --> 00:32:01,755 >> Reporter: AND SHE GOT THE MONEY? 575 00:32:01,755 --> 00:32:05,225 >> SHE GOT THE MONEY >> Reporter: SO WHAT DID SHE DO 576 00:32:05,225 --> 00:32:08,962 THEN THIS IS PAM'S FORMER FRIEND AND 577 00:32:08,962 --> 00:32:12,198 NEIGHBOR, BARBARA CONTE, WHO SAID PAM - 578 00:32:12,198 --> 00:32:15,902 >> DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE MURDER AND DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE MONEY. 579 00:32:15,902 --> 00:32:19,305 >> Reporter: BUT SOON AFTER THE MURDER, HER NORMALLY 580 00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:20,740 PENNY-PINCHING FRIEND -- >> SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO GO 581 00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:21,941 GET A MINI FACELIFT. AND DID I WANNA GO AND GET ONE, 582 00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:25,945 TOO? >> Reporter: WOW 583 00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:28,648 >> AND IN MY MIND I SAID, "I DON'T HAVE $10,000 TO PUT TO A 584 00:32:28,648 --> 00:32:33,920 FACELIFT." >> Reporter: APPARENTLY SHE DID. 585 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,123 >> APPARENTLY SHE DID. >> Reporter: WHAT SHE DID NOT DO 586 00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:41,861 WAS THE VERY THING BETSY HAD ASKED HER TO DO -- GIVE THE 587 00:32:41,861 --> 00:32:45,098 MONEY TO MARIAH AND HER SISTER >> THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM 588 00:32:45,098 --> 00:32:46,266 >> Reporter: BUT WHEN LEAD DETECTIVE RYAN McCARRICK ASKED 589 00:32:46,266 --> 00:32:49,336 PAM ABOUT THAT, HERE'S WHAT SHE SAID 590 00:32:49,336 --> 00:32:52,005 >> TO ME, IN MY WORLD, $150,000 IS NOT THAT MUCH. 591 00:32:52,005 --> 00:32:53,707 >> Reporter: STILL, SAID McCARRICK, IT WOULDN'T LOOK GOOD 592 00:32:53,707 --> 00:32:56,776 IF SHE DIDN'T SET UP A TRUST FOR THE GIRLS BEFORE RUSS WENT ON 593 00:32:56,776 --> 00:32:58,244 TRIAL FOR MURDER >> SO YOU STILL INTEND ON 594 00:32:58,244 --> 00:32:59,412 PUTTING THE TRUST TOGETHER FOR THEM 595 00:32:59,412 --> 00:33:03,149 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Reporter: SOON AFTER THAT, 596 00:33:03,149 --> 00:33:06,319 McCARRICK ASKED BETSY'S DAUGHTERS TO HOLD OFF SUING FOR 597 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:10,056 THE MONEY PAM HADN'T GIVEN THEM BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T LOOK GOOD, 598 00:33:10,056 --> 00:33:12,692 EITHER >> I REMEMBER RYAN McCARRICK 599 00:33:12,692 --> 00:33:16,730 TELLING US THE CIVIL TRIAL'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. 600 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:18,598 >> Reporter: BECAUSE IF YOUR CIVIL CASE WENT AHEAD FIRST, IT 601 00:33:18,598 --> 00:33:19,632 WOULD MAKE PAM HUPP LOOK BAD >> RIGHT 602 00:33:19,632 --> 00:33:20,667 >> Reporter: AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT. 603 00:33:20,667 --> 00:33:24,404 IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH. 604 00:33:24,404 --> 00:33:30,243 >> Reporter: AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE RUSS'S TRIAL BEGAN, 605 00:33:30,243 --> 00:33:33,980 LEAH ASKEY FILED A MOTION ASKING THAT SCHWARTZ BE PREVENTED FROM 606 00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:38,918 MENTIONING PAM'S INSURANCE WINDFALL OR FROM POINTING AT HER 607 00:33:38,918 --> 00:33:41,488 AS AN ALTERNATE SUSPECT. AND THE JUDGE, WHO KNEW ASKEY 608 00:33:41,488 --> 00:33:42,455 FROM HIGH SCHOOL, AGREED >> A WITNESS TESTIFIES 609 00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:45,625 YOU CAN CROSS-EXAMINE THE WITNESS. 610 00:33:45,625 --> 00:33:51,865 THAT'S A BASIC TENET OF LAW. THEIR BIAS, THEIR INTEREST, THE 611 00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:56,336 FACT THAT THEY ARE THE LAST PERSON WITH THE VICTIM 612 00:33:56,336 --> 00:33:57,470 THE FACT THAT THEY JUST RECENTLY WERE GIVEN THE VICTIM'S 613 00:33:57,470 --> 00:34:00,040 INSURANCE UNDER WHO KNOWS WHAT PRETENSES. 614 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,676 >> Reporter: ALL THAT WAS OFF THE TABLE. 615 00:34:02,676 --> 00:34:05,311 DIDN'T LOOK SO GOOD FOR RUSS NOW. 616 00:34:05,311 --> 00:34:08,515 >> I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT 617 00:34:08,515 --> 00:34:10,250 >>> COMING UP -- PAM IS THE PROSECUTION'S STAR 618 00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:13,286 WITNESS. BUT SHE'S NOT CONVINCING 619 00:34:13,286 --> 00:34:15,388 EVERYONE >> SHE SWITCHED UP HER STORY 620 00:34:15,388 --> 00:34:39,713 MULTIPLE TIMES AND I'M JUST LIKE, "HOW IS THIS 621 00:34:39,713 --> 00:34:42,349 >> Reporter: RUSS FARIA'S FIRST MURDER TRIAL WAS ALSO PROSECUTOR 622 00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:44,417 LEAH ASKEY'S FIRST MURDER TRIAL. SO SHE ASKED THE STATE ATTORNEY 623 00:34:44,417 --> 00:34:45,552 GENERAL'S OFFICE FOR HELP. ALL THOSE PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS 624 00:34:45,552 --> 00:34:51,691 STUFF AND THEY SAY, "YEAH, YEAH, HE KILLED HER" 625 00:34:51,691 --> 00:34:52,759 >> EVERY ONE OF THEM >> Reporter: WOW 626 00:34:52,759 --> 00:34:55,929 WOW. >> Reporter: THE STATE'S STAR 627 00:34:55,929 --> 00:34:59,132 WITNESS WAS PAM HUPP SUPPORTING CAST -- BETSY'S 628 00:34:59,132 --> 00:35:05,472 FAMILY, INCLUDING MARIAH WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO TESTIFY IN 629 00:35:05,472 --> 00:35:07,073 THAT TRIAL >> WE WERE JUST BASICALLY HIS 630 00:35:07,073 --> 00:35:12,379 CHARACTER TESTIMONIES. >> Reporter: TESTIMONY THAT WAS 631 00:35:12,379 --> 00:35:15,548 MOSTLY NEGATIVE. >> THEY ASKED US QUESTIONS ABOUT 632 00:35:15,548 --> 00:35:19,953 PREVIOUS FIGHTS MY PARENTS HAD NOT HE GOOD PARTS -- GOOD TIMES. 633 00:35:19,953 --> 00:35:24,057 >> Reporter: THIS SURPRISED AND DEEPLY WOUNDED RUSS, WHO HAD 634 00:35:24,057 --> 00:35:29,896 BEEN ESPECIALLY CLOSE TO MARIAH. ASKEY ALSO PRESENTED RUSS'S 635 00:35:29,896 --> 00:35:34,668 HYSTERICAL 911 CALL AS FAKE, HIS INITIAL CLAIM BETSY HAD KILLED 636 00:35:34,668 --> 00:35:38,905 HERSELF AS RIDICULOUS, SAID THE LUMINOL PROVED THAT HE CLEANED 637 00:35:38,905 --> 00:35:44,778 UP AND THAT BETSY'S BLOOD ON HIS SLIPPERS AND A LIGHT SWITCH 638 00:35:44,778 --> 00:35:47,414 CONFIRMED HE WAS THE KILLER. SCHWARTZ EMPHASIZED RUSS'S 639 00:35:47,414 --> 00:35:49,549 ALIBI, SURVEILLANCE VIDEO, THE GAME NIGHT FRIENDS WHO SAID HE 640 00:35:49,549 --> 00:35:53,253 WAS WITH THEM ALL EVENING, THE ARBY'S RECEIPT STAMPED 641 00:35:53,253 --> 00:35:55,388 9:09 P.M., THE TOTAL LACK OF BETSY'S BLOOD ON RUSS OR HIS 642 00:35:55,388 --> 00:35:59,626 CLOTHES. >> FORGET ABOUT BEYOND A 643 00:35:59,626 --> 00:36:06,499 REASONABLE DOUBT THERE'S NOT ONE SHRED OF PROOF 644 00:36:06,499 --> 00:36:08,635 THAT RUSSELL DID THIS. >> Reporter: WHAT REMAINED WAS 645 00:36:08,635 --> 00:36:14,474 LEAH ASKEY'S THEORY, PRESENTED IN CLOSING ARGUMENT. 646 00:36:14,474 --> 00:36:16,076 RUSS, SHE SAID, PLANNED THE MURDER WITH THE HELP OF HIS GAME 647 00:36:16,076 --> 00:36:17,644 NIGHT FRIENDS. IT WOULD BE, "THE ULTIMATE 648 00:36:17,644 --> 00:36:19,779 GAME." VERY ELABORATE 649 00:36:19,779 --> 00:36:23,483 FIRST HE ARRANGED TO BE ON THIS STORE VIDEO JUST 650 00:36:23,483 --> 00:36:26,152 BEFORE 6:00 P.M. THEN HE DROVE TO GAME NIGHT AND 651 00:36:26,152 --> 00:36:31,458 DROPPED OFF HIS CELL PHONE SO IT WOULD PING THERE FROM 6:00 TO 652 00:36:31,458 --> 00:36:33,126 9:00 WHILE HE DROVE THE HALF HOUR HOME AND STRIPPED NAKED, 653 00:36:33,126 --> 00:36:39,399 WHICH EXPLAINED NO BLOOD ON HIS CLOTHES. 654 00:36:39,399 --> 00:36:42,068 HE HAD SEX WITH BETSY, OR AS ASKEY PUT IT, "VIOLATES HER ONE 655 00:36:42,068 --> 00:36:44,170 MORE TIME. THEN HE REPEATEDLY STABBED HER, 656 00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:49,476 AND THEN CLEANED UP AND SHOWERED AND PUT HIS CLOTHES BACK ON. 657 00:36:49,476 --> 00:36:53,413 AT 9:00, ONE OF HIS GAME NIGHT BUDDIES DROVE HIS PHONE BACK TO 658 00:36:53,413 --> 00:37:01,121 HIS HOUSE, PICKING UP THE ARBY'S RECEIPT FOR HIM ON THE WAY 659 00:37:01,121 --> 00:37:05,091 REALLY THAT WAS HER THEORY, IN SPITE OF 660 00:37:05,091 --> 00:37:07,160 THE UNANIMOUS TESTIMONY OF HIS GAME NIGHT FRIENDS 661 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,195 FOUR PEOPLE CAME FORWARD TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED 662 00:37:09,195 --> 00:37:13,600 THAT EVENING, AND YOU CALLED THEM LIARS 663 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,238 EVERY ONE OF THEM. AND NOT ONLY CALLED THEM LIARS, 664 00:37:18,238 --> 00:37:24,044 BUT YOU IMPLIED THAT THEY ASSISTED IN A MURDER 665 00:37:24,044 --> 00:37:26,613 >> I IMPLIED -- WELL, I TOLD THE JURY THAT I DID NOT BELIEVE 666 00:37:26,613 --> 00:37:27,681 THEIR TESTIMONY. >> Reporter: YEAH. 667 00:37:27,681 --> 00:37:29,883 SO - >> AND I DON'T 668 00:37:29,883 --> 00:37:31,918 AND I DIDN'T >> Reporter: YOU STILL DON'T 669 00:37:31,918 --> 00:37:36,189 BELIEVE THEIR TESTIMONY? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. 670 00:37:36,189 --> 00:37:38,558 >> Reporter: THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO INDICATE 671 00:37:38,558 --> 00:37:40,827 THAT RUSS'S FRIENDS WERE ANYTHING BUT TRUTHFUL. 672 00:37:40,827 --> 00:37:45,732 BUT IN THE END, RUSS WAS CONVICTED. 673 00:37:45,732 --> 00:37:49,969 >> IT WAS DEVASTATING. >> I HAVEN'T LOST SLEEP IN A 674 00:37:49,969 --> 00:37:52,138 LONG TIME OVER SOMETHING IN THIS -- IN THIS BUSINESS 675 00:37:52,138 --> 00:37:55,842 AND I LOST SLEEP FOR A LONG TIME 676 00:37:55,842 --> 00:37:58,511 >> Reporter: THE TRIAL LEFT MARIAH CONFUSED ABOUT PAM. 677 00:37:58,511 --> 00:38:03,817 >> WHEN THEY HAD HER ON THE STAND AND SHE SWITCHED UP HER 678 00:38:03,817 --> 00:38:08,588 STORY MULTIPLE TIMES, I'M JUST LIKE, "HOW IS THIS WOMAN NOT A 679 00:38:08,588 --> 00:38:10,190 SUSPECT? AND THEY JUST USED THEIR POWER 680 00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:16,029 TO PERSUADE US AND SAY, "THERE'S JUST NO WAY SHE COULD'VE DONE 681 00:38:16,029 --> 00:38:17,130 IT." >> Reporter: HOW PERSUASIVE? 682 00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:22,369 THIS IS BETSY'S MOTHER SHORTLY AFTER THE TRIAL. 683 00:38:22,369 --> 00:38:26,106 IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME TO YOU WITH EVIDENCE, STRONG EVIDENCE 684 00:38:26,106 --> 00:38:29,042 THAT IT WASN'T RUSS, BUT IT WAS SOME OTHER PERSON, IS THAT 685 00:38:29,042 --> 00:38:37,283 SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ACCEPT? >> I WOULD STILL FEEL IT'S RUSS, 686 00:38:37,283 --> 00:38:40,520 100% >> Reporter: BUT REMEMBER THAT 687 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,656 BUSINESS ABOUT THE INSURANCE PAM TOLD DETECTIVES SHE WOULD 688 00:38:43,656 --> 00:38:45,759 GIVE SOME OF IT TO BETSY'S DAUGHTERS. 689 00:38:45,759 --> 00:38:48,962 BUT SHE DIDN'T SHE KEPT IT ALL. 690 00:38:48,962 --> 00:38:52,132 AND THAT IS HOW PAM HUPP'S WORLD BEGAN TO UNRAVEL 691 00:38:52,132 --> 00:38:56,936 BECAUSE BETSY'S FAMILY DID SUE HER. 692 00:38:56,936 --> 00:39:03,309 AND THUS, SHE SAT FOR A DEPOSITION, IN WHICH SHE MADE 693 00:39:03,309 --> 00:39:04,444 THIS 180 >> DID SHE MENTION TO YOU THAT 694 00:39:04,444 --> 00:39:07,547 SHE WANTED THE MONEY TO BE USED FOR HER DAUGHTERS? 695 00:39:07,547 --> 00:39:10,784 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> Reporter: PAM ALSO SAID THAT 696 00:39:10,784 --> 00:39:12,886 SHE HAD SET UP A TRUST FOR THE GIRLS BEFORE THE TRIAL, AS THE 697 00:39:12,886 --> 00:39:16,056 LEAD DETECTIVE PRESSURED HER TO DO 698 00:39:16,056 --> 00:39:18,158 BUT AFTER THE TRIAL? SHE REVOKED IT, TOOK IT ALL 699 00:39:18,158 --> 00:39:22,062 BACK WELL 700 00:39:22,062 --> 00:39:24,030 WHEN SCHWARTZ HEARD THAT, HE KNEW - 701 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:28,802 >> THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS SOMETHING THAT THE COURT OF 702 00:39:28,802 --> 00:39:31,471 APPEALS NEEDED TO HEAR ABOUT >> Reporter: SO AGAINST LONG 703 00:39:31,471 --> 00:39:35,709 ODDS, HE FILED AN APPEAL OF SORTS IN MISSOURI CALLED A 704 00:39:35,709 --> 00:39:38,878 MOONEY MOTION AND WON A SPECIAL HEARING TO RECONSIDER RUSS'S 705 00:39:38,878 --> 00:39:40,046 CONVICTION >> IT'S INCREDIBLY RARE, HAVING 706 00:39:40,046 --> 00:39:42,082 HAPPENED ONLY THREE TIMES PREVIOUSLY IN THE STATE OF 707 00:39:42,082 --> 00:39:45,251 MISSOURI >> Reporter: EVER? 708 00:39:45,251 --> 00:39:49,489 >> EVER. >> Reporter: AND THEN, JUST A 709 00:39:49,489 --> 00:39:53,760 WEEK BEFORE THAT HEARING, PAM WENT TO SEE LEAH ASKEY 710 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,930 THERE'D BE A DIFFERENT JUDGE AT THIS HEARING, AND PAM HAD A 711 00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:58,498 QUESTION >> SO WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF 712 00:39:58,498 --> 00:40:03,837 MAKING THE JUDGE BELIEVE US? >> Reporter: "WHAT ARE OUR 713 00:40:03,837 --> 00:40:06,473 CHANCES OF MAKING THE JUDGE BELIEVE US," LIKE YOU AND SHE 714 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:08,608 WERE ON THE SAME TEAM. >> WELL, I MEAN, SHE WAS A 715 00:40:08,608 --> 00:40:13,913 STATE'S WITNESS IN THE ORIGINAL TRIAL. 716 00:40:13,913 --> 00:40:16,049 >> Reporter: YEAH. >> I MEAN, HER POSITION WAS PRO, 717 00:40:16,049 --> 00:40:20,320 YOU KNOW, BETSY. >> Reporter: HOW WOULD ANYBODY 718 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,422 ELSE BE ANTI BETSY >> WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT 719 00:40:22,422 --> 00:40:23,556 SHE WAS A STATE'S WITNESS. SO THE PROSECUTION'S WITNESSES 720 00:40:23,556 --> 00:40:26,126 WOULD SAY, "WELL, HOW'S IT LOOKIN' FOR US?" 721 00:40:26,126 --> 00:40:28,862 THE SAME AS HER FAMILY WOULD PHRASE IT THAT WAY 722 00:40:28,862 --> 00:40:32,499 >> Reporter: ASKEY TOLD PAM SHE WASN'T WORRIED, THOUGH 723 00:40:32,499 --> 00:40:35,135 >> WE GOT A GOOD CASE. YOU KNOW 724 00:40:35,135 --> 00:40:38,872 AND I'M -- I'M A BETTER LAWYER TODAY THAN I WAS THREE YEARS 725 00:40:38,872 --> 00:40:41,074 AGO. >> Reporter: AND THIS WAS ONLY 726 00:40:41,074 --> 00:40:45,445 HAPPENING BECAUSE JOEL SCHWARTZ HAD A BRUISED EGO. 727 00:40:45,445 --> 00:40:46,913 >> JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY GOT THEIR, YOU KNOW, FEELINGS HURT 728 00:40:46,913 --> 00:40:47,847 BECAUSE THEY LOST. >> SCHWARTZ ISN'T USED TO 729 00:40:47,847 --> 00:40:50,016 LOSING >> RIGHT 730 00:40:50,016 --> 00:40:53,753 >> Reporter: YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT TO BE SO? 731 00:40:53,753 --> 00:40:54,788 HE REACTED BECAUSE HIS FEELINGS WERE HURT? 732 00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:57,991 >> I THINK THAT WAS CERTAINLY A DRIVING FORCE FOR HIM. 733 00:40:57,991 --> 00:41:00,360 >> Reporter: ASKEY ALSO COMPLAINED ABOUT THE UNFAIRNESS 734 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:09,436 OF IT ALL. UNFAIR TO HER, THAT IS 735 00:41:09,436 --> 00:41:12,872 IN A NORMAL WORLD, WHEN A PROSECUTOR WINS A MURDER CASE, 736 00:41:12,872 --> 00:41:14,641 EVERYONE IS LIKE, YAY. NOT IN MY WORLD. 737 00:41:14,641 --> 00:41:16,343 I'VE LOST PLENTY OF SLEEP OVER THIS CASE. 738 00:41:16,343 --> 00:41:17,844 DON'T GET ME WRONG BUT NOT BECAUSE RUSS FARIA IS IN 739 00:41:17,844 --> 00:41:19,079 PRISON >> Reporter: ON THE APPOINTED 740 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,081 DAY THEY ALL ASSEMBLED AND IT DIDN'T TAKE VERY LONG 741 00:41:21,081 --> 00:41:26,853 THE NEW JUDGE OVERTURNED RUSS'S CONVICTION 742 00:41:26,853 --> 00:41:31,124 HE WOULD GET A NEW TRIAL >> IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST 743 00:41:31,124 --> 00:41:34,294 MOMENTS OF MY LIFE FINALLY SOMETHING GOOD IN MY 744 00:41:34,294 --> 00:41:39,099 FAVOR. >> Reporter: BUT WAS IT OVER 745 00:41:39,099 --> 00:41:43,870 OH, NO PAM WAS TELLING STORIES AGAIN. 746 00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:46,006 >> I MEAN, WE JUST SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, 747 00:41:46,006 --> 00:41:53,446 AND I REPLACED WHAT A HUSBAND WOULD BE 748 00:41:53,446 --> 00:41:55,015 >> Reporter: MY, MY. >>> COMING UP, PROSECUTOR ASKEY 749 00:41:55,015 --> 00:41:59,119 SAYS NEW DISCOVERIES FROM THE CRIME SCENE HAVE HER FEELING 750 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:03,056 MORE CONFIDENT THAN EVER >> THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT I 751 00:42:03,056 --> 00:42:04,657 THOUGHT, "WOW, HAD I HAD THIS IN THE FIRST TRIAL, THERE MAY NOT 752 00:42:04,657 --> 00:42:24,411 HAVE EVEN BEEN A TRIAL >> Reporter: LEAH ASKEY, COUNTY 753 00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:27,080 PROSECUTOR, WAS CONFIDENT AS SHE PREPARED TO TRY RUSS FARIA FOR A 754 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:34,654 SECOND TIME. WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO TRY HIM 755 00:42:34,654 --> 00:42:40,860 AGAIN? >> BECAUSE A WOMAN HAD BEEN 756 00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:42,095 BRUTALLY MURDERED IN -- IN THE COUNTY THAT I WAS ELECTED TO 757 00:42:42,095 --> 00:42:43,263 SERVE. AND THE EVIDENCE THAT I HAD 758 00:42:43,263 --> 00:42:45,799 STILL POINTED IN THE SAME DIRECTION. 759 00:42:45,799 --> 00:42:47,867 >> Reporter: TO HELP BOLSTER THE STATE'S CASE, INVESTIGATORS RE- 760 00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:54,140 INTERVIEWED WITNESSES, LIKE PAM HUPP 761 00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:55,275 BUT HER STORY WAS A MOVING TARGET 762 00:42:55,275 --> 00:42:57,877 LIKE HER RELATIONSHIP WITH BETSY. 763 00:42:57,877 --> 00:43:01,581 JUST A FRIEND BEFORE THE FIRST TRIAL. 764 00:43:01,581 --> 00:43:03,183 BUT BEFORE THE SECOND TRIAL, LOVERS 765 00:43:03,183 --> 00:43:07,620 >> I REPLACED WHAT A HUSBAND WOULD BE 766 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:09,689 IT'S HONESTLY A RELATIONSHIP WITH TWO WOMEN WHO REALLY AREN'T 767 00:43:09,689 --> 00:43:11,691 ATTRACTED TO WOMEN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN 768 00:43:11,691 --> 00:43:15,595 THAT IT'S NOT -- I'M ATTRACTED TO 769 00:43:15,595 --> 00:43:20,734 MEN, LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM. CAN'T WAIT TILL "MAGIC MIKE XL" 770 00:43:20,734 --> 00:43:22,268 COMES OUT. BUT SHE'S THE SAME WAY 771 00:43:22,268 --> 00:43:25,505 IT'S NOT LIKE SHE WAS A LESBIAN OR ANYTHING. 772 00:43:25,505 --> 00:43:30,276 IT WASN'T LIKE THAT. IT WAS SUCH AN EVOLUTION OF 773 00:43:30,276 --> 00:43:32,946 EMOTIONAL TRAUMA FOR HER >> Reporter: AND THEN THAT STORY 774 00:43:32,946 --> 00:43:37,183 EVOLVED INTO A VERY COLORFUL CLAIM THAT RUSS -- 775 00:43:37,183 --> 00:43:40,887 >> PUSHED ME UP AGAINST THE WALL, AND HE SAID, "YOU EVER 776 00:43:40,887 --> 00:43:42,522 COME OVER HERE AGAIN." HE WAS ALL RED-FACED 777 00:43:42,522 --> 00:43:44,624 >> KIND OF LIKE A GRITTED TEETH? >> OH, HE'S, LIKE, TALKED ABOUT 778 00:43:44,624 --> 00:43:46,760 THIS FAR AWAY FROM MY FACE YEAH, HE WAS RIGHT THERE 779 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,997 I COULD FEEL HIS SPIT. NASTY. 780 00:43:50,997 --> 00:43:54,734 AND HE SAID, "YOU TWO MUFF THUMPERS," SOMETHING TO THAT 781 00:43:54,734 --> 00:43:55,835 EFFECT "IF I EVER CATCH YOU TOGETHER 782 00:43:55,835 --> 00:44:00,573 AGAIN, I'LL BURY YOU OUT IN THE BACKYARD." 783 00:44:00,573 --> 00:44:03,209 >> Reporter: AT THAT POINT, YOU MUST'VE LOOKED BACK AND SAID, 784 00:44:03,209 --> 00:44:05,378 "WELL, WAIT A MINUTE THIS WOMAN HAS BEEN TELLING 785 00:44:05,378 --> 00:44:07,547 DIFFERENT STORIES FOR YEARS, AND SHE IS THE LAST PERSON TO SEE 786 00:44:07,547 --> 00:44:11,184 HER ALIVE. MAYBE WE GOTTA CHANGE DIRECTION 787 00:44:11,184 --> 00:44:12,185 HERE." YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT? 788 00:44:12,185 --> 00:44:16,489 >> WELL, IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION 789 00:44:16,489 --> 00:44:17,657 BUT WHAT I DID DO -- >> Reporter: IT IS TOTALLY - 790 00:44:17,657 --> 00:44:18,692 >> -- IS SAY - >> Reporter: -- YOUR PLACE TO 791 00:44:18,692 --> 00:44:19,693 CHANGE THE DIRECTION THAT'S WHAT YOU DO 792 00:44:19,693 --> 00:44:21,361 YOU'RE A PROSECUTOR. YOU DECIDE WHO TO CHARGE AND WHO 793 00:44:21,361 --> 00:44:24,964 NOT TO CHARGE. >> BASED ON WHAT'S BROUGHT TO 794 00:44:24,964 --> 00:44:26,499 ME >> Reporter: AND WHAT 795 00:44:26,499 --> 00:44:30,303 INVESTIGATORS BROUGHT TO HER BEFORE THE SECOND TRIAL WAS GOOD 796 00:44:30,303 --> 00:44:35,608 EVIDENCE, SHE SAID >> THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT I 797 00:44:35,608 --> 00:44:37,177 THOUGHT, "WOW, HAD I HAD THIS IN THE FIRST TRIAL, THERE MAY NOT 798 00:44:37,177 --> 00:44:39,879 HAVE EVEN BEEN A TRIAL MAYBE IT WOULD'VE BEEN A PLEA. 799 00:44:39,879 --> 00:44:41,448 I DON'T KNOW." BUT -- 800 00:44:41,448 --> 00:44:47,420 >> Reporter: WHAT WAS THE EVIDENCE - 801 00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:50,090 >> I DID - >> Reporter: YOU'RE TALKING 802 00:44:50,090 --> 00:44:51,124 ABOUT THAT MADE IT SO MUCH BETTER 803 00:44:51,124 --> 00:44:53,326 >> THERE WAS BETSY'S BLOOD ON THE TOWEL IN THE BATHROOM THAT 804 00:44:53,326 --> 00:44:56,463 WAS NEVER TESTED THERE WAS BLOOD ON THE BOTTOM OF 805 00:44:56,463 --> 00:45:00,700 RUSS'S FEET THAT WAS NEVER TESTED 806 00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:02,268 >> Reporter: MIND YOU, IT TURNED OUT TO BE A TRACE AMOUNT OF 807 00:45:02,268 --> 00:45:09,709 RUSS'S BLOOD NOT BETSY'S. 808 00:45:09,709 --> 00:45:11,311 SO WHY WAS IT EVIDENCE AT ALL? WELL, WE WONDERED. 809 00:45:11,311 --> 00:45:14,047 YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS -- AS AN ARGUMENT THAT HE SOMEHOW WAS 810 00:45:14,047 --> 00:45:19,285 WALKING AROUND IN HER BLOOD IF THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT 811 00:45:19,285 --> 00:45:20,653 SUGGESTS THAT IT WAS HER BLOOD >> YOU COULD SWAB THE BOTTOMS OF 812 00:45:20,653 --> 00:45:21,488 MY FEET, AND I GUARANTEE YOU'RE NOT -- 813 00:45:21,488 --> 00:45:23,523 THEY'RE NOT GONNA TEST POSITIVE FOR BLOOD. 814 00:45:23,523 --> 00:45:26,192 SO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LARGE ENOUGH SAMPLE TO SAY WHOSE 815 00:45:26,192 --> 00:45:30,397 BLOOD IT IS, THE FACT THAT THERE'S BLOOD ON THE BOTTOMS OF 816 00:45:30,397 --> 00:45:31,498 HIS FEET IS -- IT -- IT'S NOT - 817 00:45:31,498 --> 00:45:33,099 >> Reporter: IS -- IS -- >> -- NORMAL 818 00:45:33,099 --> 00:45:41,408 >> Reporter: IS -- IS -- [ LAUGHTER ] 819 00:45:41,408 --> 00:45:42,742 [ LAUGHTER ] >> IT'S NOT A NORMAL SITUATION 820 00:45:42,742 --> 00:45:44,277 >> Reporter: BUT IT'S NOT EVIDENCE UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW 821 00:45:44,277 --> 00:45:45,845 THAT IT'S BETSY'S BLOOD. >> WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE 822 00:45:45,845 --> 00:45:47,547 I MEAN, ANYTHING -- ANY REPORT THAT YOU SEND OFF AND ANY RESULT 823 00:45:47,547 --> 00:45:49,082 THAT YOU GET - >> Reporter: IS SPECULATION -- 824 00:45:49,082 --> 00:45:50,617 >> -- CAN -- >> Reporter: -- THEN 825 00:45:50,617 --> 00:45:52,285 >> WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S BLOOD ON THE BOTTOMS OF YOUR FEET -- 826 00:45:52,285 --> 00:45:53,553 >> Reporter: LOOK, I'VE PROBABLY GOT SOME BLOOD ON THE BOTTOM OF 827 00:45:53,553 --> 00:45:55,388 MY FOOT RIGHT NOW. >> WELL, I -- THAT'S - 828 00:45:55,388 --> 00:45:57,123 >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, IF YOU TESTED MY FOOT RIGHT NOW, YOU'D 829 00:45:57,123 --> 00:45:58,591 PROBABLY FIND A COUPLE OF ALLELES OF BLOOD 830 00:45:58,591 --> 00:46:00,727 BUT THAT WOULDN'T MEAN I KILLED SOMEBODY 831 00:46:00,727 --> 00:46:02,395 >> NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE ANOTHER BRICK IN THE LAYER OF -- 832 00:46:02,395 --> 00:46:04,531 OF BRICKS. >> Reporter: BRICKS OF EVIDENCE, 833 00:46:04,531 --> 00:46:06,599 THAT IS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST OF WHICH 834 00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:13,473 TURNED UP JUST DAYS BEFORE THE TRIAL. 835 00:46:13,473 --> 00:46:19,179 IT WAS A LETTER, FOUND ON BETSY'S LAPTOP, ADDRESSED TO PAM 836 00:46:19,179 --> 00:46:21,348 BUT NEVER SENT WHAT DID IT SAY? 837 00:46:21,348 --> 00:46:22,949 >> "I'M SCARED TO GO HOME. I'M SCARED OF RUSS 838 00:46:22,949 --> 00:46:25,085 HE STARTED PUTTING A PILLOW OVER MY FACE SAYING, 'THIS IS WHAT IT 839 00:46:25,085 --> 00:46:28,788 FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU DIE. I WANNA GIVE YOU THE INSURANCE 840 00:46:28,788 --> 00:46:29,923 MONEY. >> Reporter: PAM HAD MENTIONED 841 00:46:29,923 --> 00:46:36,162 THIS LETTER TO DETECTIVES JUST AFTER BETSY'S MURDER 842 00:46:36,162 --> 00:46:40,533 >> SHE WAS AT TENNIS LAST WEEK, AND SHE SAID SHE TYPED ME AN 843 00:46:40,533 --> 00:46:42,602 EMAIL. MAYBE IF YOU GUYS CAN FIND THAT 844 00:46:42,602 --> 00:46:45,872 LETTER SHE WAS GOING TO SEND ME? >> Reporter: IT LOOKED BAD FOR 845 00:46:45,872 --> 00:46:49,476 RUSS FOR A MINUTE 846 00:46:49,476 --> 00:46:54,280 UNTIL THE DEFENSE CALLED A COMPUTER EXPERT WHO CONCLUDED 847 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,648 THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN ON A DIFFERENT COMPUTER AND THEN 848 00:46:55,648 --> 00:46:57,717 TRANSFERRED ONTO BETSY'S COMPUTER THE DAY BEFORE PAM 849 00:46:57,717 --> 00:47:03,823 BECAME THE BENEFICIARY OF BETSY'S INSURANCE. 850 00:47:03,823 --> 00:47:05,925 >> MISS HUPP KNEW WHAT COMPUTER IT WAS IN, WHERE IN THE COMPUTER 851 00:47:05,925 --> 00:47:08,028 IT WAS, AS WELL AS WHEN IT WAS CREATED. 852 00:47:08,028 --> 00:47:12,298 >> Reporter: IT HAD TO BE PART OF PAM'S PLAN TO FRAME RUSS, 853 00:47:12,298 --> 00:47:15,769 SAID SCHWARTZ. AND ONE MORE DISCOVERY 854 00:47:15,769 --> 00:47:17,604 REMEMBER HOW DETECTIVES SAID THEIR CAMERA MALFUNCTIONED WHEN 855 00:47:17,604 --> 00:47:20,240 THEY TRIED TO CAPTURE THE LUMINOL EVIDENCE SHOWING RUSS 856 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:24,477 CLEANED UP BLOOD WELL, WHAT DO YOU KNOW 857 00:47:24,477 --> 00:47:28,348 NOT LONG BEFORE THE SECOND TRIAL, A DELIVERY SHOWED UP AT 858 00:47:28,348 --> 00:47:32,952 SCHWARTZ'S OFFICE. >> WE GOT A CD THAT HAD 859 00:47:32,952 --> 00:47:35,622 132 PHOTOS, NOT 1 OF WHICH DIDN'T DEVELOP 860 00:47:35,622 --> 00:47:37,223 >> Reporter: AND NOT ONE OF WHICH SUPPORTED THE STATE'S 861 00:47:37,223 --> 00:47:41,861 CASE >> WHICH IS WHY WE DIDN'T SEE 862 00:47:41,861 --> 00:47:43,430 THEM IN THE FIRST TRIAL. >> Reporter: BUT THEY CERTAINLY 863 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:50,070 SHOWED UP IN THE SECOND TRIAL. WHICH, BY THE WAY, WAS BY JUDGE 864 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:51,671 ALONE, NO JURY AND NO PAM EITHER. 865 00:47:51,671 --> 00:47:53,239 NEITHER SIDE CALLED HER TO TESTIFY. 866 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,477 BUT SCHWARTZ WAS ABLE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO ESTABLISH PAM AS AN 867 00:47:57,477 --> 00:47:59,612 ALTERNATE SUSPECT. WHEN THE TIME CAME FOR THE JUDGE 868 00:47:59,612 --> 00:48:01,715 TO MAKE HIS DECISION - >> I'M SURE I WAS HOLDING MY 869 00:48:01,715 --> 00:48:05,452 BREATH, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST STANDING AS STRAIGHT AS I COULD. 870 00:48:05,452 --> 00:48:06,686 AND IT SEEMED LIKE AN ETERNITY >> Reporter: AND THEN THE JUDGE 871 00:48:06,686 --> 00:48:09,723 SAID - >> "I FIND YOU NOT GUILTY. 872 00:48:09,723 --> 00:48:14,027 LIKE, A HEAVY WEIGHT LIFTED OFF MY SHOULDERS 873 00:48:14,027 --> 00:48:17,397 >> Reporter: THE JUDGE CONDEMNED THE INVESTIGATION AS "RATHER 874 00:48:17,397 --> 00:48:25,105 DISTURBING," SAID IT, "RAISED MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. 875 00:48:25,105 --> 00:48:30,410 DOES THE POSSIBILITY EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT YOU HAVE FALLEN 876 00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:33,046 HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER FOR EVERY DODGE AND EVERY RUSE THAT PAM 877 00:48:33,046 --> 00:48:37,851 HAS PUT OUT THERE TO TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE RUSS COMMITTED THAT 878 00:48:37,851 --> 00:48:40,120 MURDER AND NOT HER THAT MAYBE IT'S YOU WHO ARE THE 879 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,054 DUPE AND, YOU KNOW - >> I'VE BEEN DUPED-- 880 00:48:41,054 --> 00:48:44,724 >> Reporter: -- NOT US >> -- BEFORE, OVER THE LAST 881 00:48:44,724 --> 00:48:45,792 DECADE SO YEAH, I -- IT WOULDN'T 882 00:48:45,792 --> 00:48:52,732 SURPRISE ME AT ALL TO THINK THAT I'D BEEN DUPED 883 00:48:52,732 --> 00:48:55,368 ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS I CAN ONLY BASE MY DECISIONS OFF OF MY 884 00:48:55,368 --> 00:49:00,707 TRAINING, MY EXPERIENCE, MY EDUCATION, AND MY MORAL COMPASS. 885 00:49:00,707 --> 00:49:06,646 >> Reporter: SHORTLY AFTER RUSS WAS ACQUITTED, BETSY'S DAUGHTERS 886 00:49:06,646 --> 00:49:08,682 WERE BACK IN COURT FIGHTING PAM FOR THE PROCEEDS OF THEIR 887 00:49:08,682 --> 00:49:11,851 MOTHER'S LIFE INSURANCE. AND ON THE STAND, PAM WAS VERY 888 00:49:11,851 --> 00:49:15,689 PAM. >> WHAT'D I JUST SAY 889 00:49:15,689 --> 00:49:17,157 I HAD A SACK OF CASH AM I NOT CLEAR 890 00:49:17,157 --> 00:49:19,259 WHAT WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA 891 00:49:19,259 --> 00:49:24,798 >> WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER? >> WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. 892 00:49:24,798 --> 00:49:27,233 WHOA WHOA WHOA. >> WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER? 893 00:49:27,233 --> 00:49:35,175 >> IT WAS VERY BIZARRE IT -- SHE -- THEY HAD HER GET ON 894 00:49:35,175 --> 00:49:39,446 THE STAND, AND SHE'S JUST WAIVING HER ARMS LIKE -- AND THE JUDGE 895 00:49:39,446 --> 00:49:41,348 IS LETTING HER DO ALL THAT >> Reporter: BUT IN THE END, 896 00:49:41,348 --> 00:49:42,649 MARIAH AND HER SISTER LOST THEIR CASE 897 00:49:42,649 --> 00:49:48,088 THE DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTED PAM. THERE IT WAS 898 00:49:48,088 --> 00:49:49,589 >> YEP. >> HAD TO BE DISAPPOINTING 899 00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:53,326 >> YEAH, I WONDER HOW THE JUDGE FEELS NOW. 900 00:49:53,326 --> 00:49:55,528 >> Reporter: GOOD QUESTION PAM WAS ALL SMILES AS SHE LEFT 901 00:49:55,528 --> 00:50:00,233 THE COURTHOUSE AND WALKED PAST OUR CAMERA AND SAID -- 902 00:50:00,233 --> 00:50:02,902 >> SAY HI TO CATHY >> Reporter: "SAY HI TO CATHY" 903 00:50:02,902 --> 00:50:06,072 CATHY HAPPENED TO BE OUR "DATELINE" PRODUCER. 904 00:50:06,072 --> 00:50:09,909 WE THOUGHT PERHAPS THAT WAS THE LAST WE'D SEE OR HEAR FROM PAM 905 00:50:09,909 --> 00:50:16,649 BUT NO IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT 906 00:50:16,649 --> 00:50:20,420 ANOTHER MURDER WAS COMING. >>> COMING UP -- 907 00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:22,589 >> HEY, HELLO, THERE'S SOMEONE BREAKING INTO MY HOUSE 908 00:50:22,589 --> 00:50:26,760 HELP >> PAM HUPP REPORTS AN INTRUDER! 909 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,361 >> HE WAS POUNDING ON THE DOOR AND ONCE IT FLEW OPEN, THAT'S 910 00:50:28,361 --> 00:50:30,463 WHEN I SHOT HIM. AND I JUST KEPT SHOOTING HIM 911 00:50:49,115 --> 00:50:50,684 >>> 911, WHERE'S YOUR EMERGENCY? >> Reporter: IT WAS AUGUST 2016, 912 00:50:50,684 --> 00:50:52,285 O'FALLON, MISSOURI >> HEY 913 00:50:52,285 --> 00:50:53,420 HELLO. THERE'S SOMEONE BREAKING IN MY 914 00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:56,523 HOUSE. HELP 915 00:50:56,523 --> 00:50:59,159 HELP >> WHAT'S THE ADDRESS YOU'RE AT? 916 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:00,260 >> SHOULD WE DO TO YOU WHAT WE DID TO YOUR WIFE 917 00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:01,394 >> NO. I'M NOT GETTING IN THE CAR WITH 918 00:51:01,394 --> 00:51:03,396 YOU. NO 919 00:51:03,396 --> 00:51:04,564 GET AWAY >> WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? 920 00:51:04,564 --> 00:51:07,667 >> Reporter: THE WOMAN ON THE PHONE WAS PAM HUPP 921 00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:11,638 AND MOMENTS LATER, THE MAN YOU HEARD BRIEFLY IN THE BACKGROUND 922 00:51:11,638 --> 00:51:14,874 WAS DEAD >> DOING OKAY? 923 00:51:14,874 --> 00:51:16,076 >> MM-HMM. >> Reporter: AND IN SHORT ORDER, 924 00:51:16,076 --> 00:51:17,210 PAM WAS SITTING WITH POLICE, TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT SHE HAD 925 00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:19,779 NO CHOICE. THAT MAN, WHOEVER HE WAS, 926 00:51:19,779 --> 00:51:22,482 ATTACKED HER WHILE SHE SAT IN HER OWN CAR IN HER OWN DRIVEWAY. 927 00:51:22,482 --> 00:51:24,584 AND OBVIOUSLY HE'D BEEN BROUGHT HERE TO KILL HER 928 00:51:24,584 --> 00:51:26,186 >> I THINK I WAS LIKE, "WHO ARE YOU? 929 00:51:26,186 --> 00:51:29,356 GET OUT OF MY CAR. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH 930 00:51:29,356 --> 00:51:31,491 AND HE GOES, "YOU'RE GOING TO THE BANK, AND WE'RE GETTING 931 00:51:31,491 --> 00:51:34,661 RUSS'S MONEY." >> Reporter: RUSS'S MONEY? 932 00:51:34,661 --> 00:51:37,330 THAT'S WHEN THE MAN PULLED OUT THE KNIFE, SHE SAID, HELD IT TO 933 00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:40,000 HER THROAT KEPT YELLING 934 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,202 SOMEHOW, SAID PAM, SHE WAS ABLE TO KNOCK THE KNIFE OUT OF THE 935 00:51:42,202 --> 00:51:44,871 MAN'S HAND AND THEN SHE JUMPED OUT OF HER 936 00:51:44,871 --> 00:51:47,474 CAR AND RAN INTO HER HOUSE, THE MAN IN HOT PURSUIT 937 00:51:47,474 --> 00:51:50,677 >> I RAN IN THE BEDROOM, TURNED AROUND, AND GOT MY GUN 938 00:51:50,677 --> 00:51:54,481 AND I STAND RIGHT THERE. AND HE WAS POUNDING ON THE DOOR. 939 00:51:54,481 --> 00:51:58,585 AND ONCE IT FLEW OPEN, THAT'S WHEN I SHOT HIM. 940 00:51:58,585 --> 00:51:59,786 AND I JUST KEPT SHOOTING HIM >> HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU SAY 941 00:51:59,786 --> 00:52:06,526 PULLED THE TRIGGER >> I UNLOADED THE WHOLE GUN. 942 00:52:06,526 --> 00:52:12,932 >> Reporter: CLEAR AS DAY, YOU CAN HEAR THE GUNSHOTS ON THE 943 00:52:12,932 --> 00:52:16,670 911 TAPE AS PAM KILLED THE GUY AS PAM TOLD THAT STORY, THE 944 00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:17,704 UNIDENTIFIED MAN WAS LYING DEAD IN HER HOUSE 945 00:52:17,704 --> 00:52:19,839 "BUT WHO BROUGHT HIM THERE," THEY ASKED 946 00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:21,708 >> WHAT WAS THE MOST DISTINCTIVE THING ABOUT THE DRIVER THAT YOU 947 00:52:21,708 --> 00:52:25,679 REMEMBER >> DARK HAIR, WAS KIND OF LIKE A 948 00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,984 BUZZ CUT AND DARK SKIN. 949 00:52:30,984 --> 00:52:34,187 >> Reporter: WHICH SOUNDED A LOT LIKE RUSS FARIA. 950 00:52:34,187 --> 00:52:37,924 LT. BRIAN HILKE OF THE O'FALLON PD TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT 951 00:52:37,924 --> 00:52:39,092 THE CRIME SCENE. >> IMMEDIATELY UPON ENTERING 952 00:52:39,092 --> 00:52:40,560 THROUGH THE GARAGE, THERE'S A GARAGE DOOR THAT LEADS INTO THE 953 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,162 HOUSE. THAT'S WHERE - 954 00:52:42,162 --> 00:52:45,331 >> Reporter: OKAY. >> -- THE GENTLEMAN WAS THAT HAD 955 00:52:45,331 --> 00:52:47,434 BEEN SHOT, LAYING RIGHT THERE. >> Reporter: THE MAN HAD NO 956 00:52:47,434 --> 00:52:58,111 IDENTIFICATION ON HIM. BUT THERE WAS A NOTE IN HIS 957 00:52:58,111 --> 00:53:02,082 POCKET IT SAID "GET HUP IN CAR. 958 00:53:02,082 --> 00:53:04,217 TAKE TO BANK." >> THE NOTE SPECIFICALLY SAID, 959 00:53:04,217 --> 00:53:05,385 "GET RUSS'S MONEY. >> Reporter: "SHOULD BE 100 TO 960 00:53:05,385 --> 00:53:06,920 150,000. TAKE HUP BACK TO HOUSE." 961 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,555 >> "AND THEN DISPOSE OF HER. >> Reporter: "MAKE IT LOOK LIKE 962 00:53:08,555 --> 00:53:10,056 RUSS WIFE. MAKE SURE NIFE IS STICKING OUT 963 00:53:10,056 --> 00:53:15,595 OF NECK. ALSO IN THE MAN'S POCKET 964 00:53:15,595 --> 00:53:18,531 9 $100 BILLS HAD PAM HUPP, ON THAT STEAMY 965 00:53:18,531 --> 00:53:24,904 SUBURBAN AFTERNOON, FOILED A CRUDE, HOMICIDAL PLOT BY 966 00:53:24,904 --> 00:53:28,074 RUSS FARIA, AN ATTEMPT TO GET BACK BETSY'S INSURANCE MONEY AND 967 00:53:28,074 --> 00:53:32,445 THEN KILL PAM? COPS REACHED OUT TO RUSS 968 00:53:32,445 --> 00:53:33,913 IT WAS A DIFFERENT POLICE FORCE THIS TIME. 969 00:53:33,913 --> 00:53:37,117 DID THEY ASK YOU SOME POINTED QUESTIONS? 970 00:53:37,117 --> 00:53:40,820 >> THEY DID. >> Reporter: HE GAVE HANDWRITING 971 00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:42,522 SAMPLES, DNA, FINGERPRINTS >> MR. FARIA WAS VERY 972 00:53:42,522 --> 00:53:45,091 COOPERATIVE. HE GAVE US A STATEMENT 973 00:53:45,091 --> 00:53:47,727 WE WERE ABLE TO ESTABLISH AND CONFIRM HIS ALIBI. 974 00:53:47,727 --> 00:53:53,099 >> Reporter: THEY THANKED RUSS AND LET HIM GO 975 00:53:53,099 --> 00:53:59,406 INVESTIGATORS WHO'D BEEN SEARCHING PAM'S HOUSE FOUND SOME 976 00:53:59,406 --> 00:54:01,541 CASH IN HER BEDROOM, INCLUDING A $100 BILL LINKED BY SERIAL 977 00:54:01,541 --> 00:54:05,779 NUMBERS TO SOME OF THE CASH IN THE DEAD MAN'S POCKET. 978 00:54:05,779 --> 00:54:07,113 AS IF SOMEBODY WENT TO THE BANK, GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF $100 BILLS, 979 00:54:07,113 --> 00:54:11,084 AND THEY WERE ALL IN SEQUENCE. >> YES 980 00:54:11,084 --> 00:54:13,219 >> THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING IN A VACUUM, IF YOU WILL, ARE -- 981 00:54:13,219 --> 00:54:16,389 >> ASTRONOMICAL. >> RIGHT, ASTRONOMICAL 982 00:54:16,389 --> 00:54:19,592 >> Reporter: BUT THE URGENT QUESTION -- WHO WAS THE GUY PAM 983 00:54:19,592 --> 00:54:22,262 SHOT TO DEATH? SINCE THERE WAS NO I.D. ON HIM, 984 00:54:22,262 --> 00:54:27,067 THEY SENT HIS PRINTS OUT FOR A DATABASE COMPARISON AND 985 00:54:27,067 --> 00:54:31,771 DISCOVERED THAT HIS NAME WAS LOUIS GUMPENBERGER 986 00:54:31,771 --> 00:54:33,907 HE WAS 33 YEARS OLD, LIVED WITH HIS MOTHER IN AN APARTMENT 987 00:54:33,907 --> 00:54:39,713 COMPLEX 13 MILES FROM PAM'S HOUSE. 988 00:54:39,713 --> 00:54:43,983 >> THE SUSPECT HAD BEEN IN A AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT. 989 00:54:43,983 --> 00:54:47,187 HAD A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY THIS PERSON WAS INCAPABLE OF 990 00:54:47,187 --> 00:54:49,789 FUNCTIONING AT A LEVEL TO DO WHAT WAS BEING PURPORTED THAT HE 991 00:54:49,789 --> 00:54:54,094 HAD DONE >> NOT ONLY DID HE NOT HAVE THE 992 00:54:54,094 --> 00:54:59,332 MENTAL CAPACITY TO PERFORM A RANSOM KIDNAPPING, 993 00:54:59,332 --> 00:55:03,603 MURDER-FOR-HIRE, BUT HE WAS ALSO PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO DO EVEN 994 00:55:03,603 --> 00:55:06,773 BASIC THINGS SUCH AS RUNNING >> Reporter: NO WAY PAM'S STORY 995 00:55:06,773 --> 00:55:12,612 COULD BE TRUE. BUT HOW DID THESE TWO COME INTO 996 00:55:12,612 --> 00:55:15,248 CONTACT? HOW DID LOUIS WIND UP AT PAM 997 00:55:15,248 --> 00:55:19,519 HUPP'S HOUSE A SCHEME LOW AND CRUEL, IT 998 00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,688 TURNED OUT AND SO DEVIOUS IT CAUGHT US 999 00:55:21,688 --> 00:55:25,058 COMPLETELY OFF GUARD >>> COMING UP -- 1000 00:55:25,058 --> 00:55:28,061 >> CHRONICLE OF A DEATH FORETOLD 1001 00:55:28,061 --> 00:55:30,663 >> I BELIEVE YOU SEE HIM IN THE PASSENGER SEAT GOING TO HIS 1002 00:55:30,663 --> 00:55:33,833 DEATH. HE'S A GHOST-LIKE FIGURE IN THE 1003 00:55:33,833 --> 00:55:36,069 PASSENGER SEAT OF HER VEHICLE BEFORE HE BECOMES AN ACTUAL 1004 00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:53,920 GHOST. >> Reporter: MURDER 1005 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,590 INVESTIGATIONS ARE SO OFTEN ACHINGLY SLOW. 1006 00:55:57,590 --> 00:55:58,658 CAN TAKE MONTHS. YEARS. 1007 00:55:58,658 --> 00:56:02,896 BUT NOT AFTER THE SHOOTING AT PAM HUPP'S HOUSE 1008 00:56:02,896 --> 00:56:05,565 THAT WAS DIFFERENT TIM LOHMAR IS THE ST. CHARLES 1009 00:56:05,565 --> 00:56:09,436 COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY. >> EACH AND EVERY DAY, A NEW 1010 00:56:09,436 --> 00:56:10,837 LEAD DEVELOPED >> Reporter: THIS IS GOING VERY 1011 00:56:10,837 --> 00:56:13,506 QUICKLY. >> VERY QUICKLY. 1012 00:56:13,506 --> 00:56:16,209 >> Reporter: AND VERY EARLY ON - 1013 00:56:16,209 --> 00:56:18,311 >> WE RECEIVED A CALL FROM ST. CHARLES COUNTY POLICE THAT 1014 00:56:18,311 --> 00:56:30,056 THEY HAD SOME VERY IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE INFORMATION FOR US. 1015 00:56:30,056 --> 00:56:32,092 >> Reporter: OH, YES, THEY CERTAINLY DID. 1016 00:56:32,092 --> 00:56:33,526 SIX DAYS BEFORE LOUIS WAS SHOT, THEY GOT A CALL FROM THIS WOMAN. 1017 00:56:33,526 --> 00:56:34,761 >> HI, YES MY NAME IS CAROL 1018 00:56:34,761 --> 00:56:36,363 >> Reporter: HER NAME IS CAROL McAFEE 1019 00:56:36,363 --> 00:56:38,465 AND HER STORY IS JUST ONE MORE THING YOU COULDN'T MAKE UP 1020 00:56:38,465 --> 00:56:40,233 SO, OF COURSE, THEY BROUGHT CAROL IN 1021 00:56:40,233 --> 00:56:42,202 >> CAROL, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SEAT RIGHT THERE 1022 00:56:42,202 --> 00:56:45,939 >> Reporter: IT HAPPENED RIGHT OUTSIDE HER HOUSE, SHE SAID. 1023 00:56:45,939 --> 00:56:49,609 SHE WAS WITH HER DOG, AND THIS WOMAN PULLED UP IN AN SUV. 1024 00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:54,414 AND THIS WAS BIZARRE >> SHE'S LIKE, "WELL, I'M FROM 1025 00:56:54,414 --> 00:56:57,584 'DATELINE.'" >> Reporter: THE WOMAN ALSO 1026 00:56:57,584 --> 00:57:02,889 CLAIMED TO BE FROM CHICAGO, SAID CAROL. 1027 00:57:02,889 --> 00:57:04,090 AND THEN LATER, SHE ADDED, THE WOMAN SAID HER NAME WAS CATHY. 1028 00:57:04,090 --> 00:57:07,127 JUST LIKE THE PRODUCER OF THIS VERY STORY 1029 00:57:07,127 --> 00:57:09,362 SHE'S LIKE, "I'D LIKE TO OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECORD A 1030 00:57:09,362 --> 00:57:10,830 SOUNDBITE FOR 'DATELINE' FOR $1,000 CASH. 1031 00:57:10,830 --> 00:57:12,432 NO TAXES, SO THERE'S NO PAPER TRAIL TO UNCLE SAM." 1032 00:57:12,432 --> 00:57:15,635 I SAID, "REALLY? SHE SAYS, "YEAH. 1033 00:57:15,635 --> 00:57:17,203 >> Reporter: JUST AN ASIDE, BY THE WAY. 1034 00:57:17,203 --> 00:57:19,339 WE DON'T PAY FOR SOUNDBITES OR INTERVIEWS 1035 00:57:19,339 --> 00:57:24,644 WE JUST DON'T. CAROL SAID SHE FIGURED THAT. 1036 00:57:24,644 --> 00:57:26,780 AND WHILE SHE'S NATURALLY A SKEPTICAL PERSON, SHE TOLD US 1037 00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:32,085 SHE WAS ALSO CURIOUS SO SHE AGREED. 1038 00:57:32,085 --> 00:57:34,721 GOT IN THE CAR AND THEN THE WOMAN STARTED 1039 00:57:34,721 --> 00:57:38,458 DRIVING IN A DIRECTION THAT JUST DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT. 1040 00:57:38,458 --> 00:57:40,593 >> AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS LIKE, "OKAY, I PROBABLY OUGHTA GET OUT 1041 00:57:40,593 --> 00:57:44,364 OF THIS CAR. >> Reporter: SO THEY RETURNED. 1042 00:57:44,364 --> 00:57:46,933 SHE HOPPED OUT AND TOLD THE WOMAN, "SORRY, COUNT ME OUT. 1043 00:57:46,933 --> 00:57:49,569 CAROL GAVE THE POLICE A DESCRIPTION. 1044 00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:52,238 >> SHE WAS SHORT, CHUNKY THE LOOK ON HER FACE -- SHE 1045 00:57:52,238 --> 00:57:53,406 WAS -- SHE HAD A PERMANENT, LIKE, GRIN- SMILE. 1046 00:57:53,406 --> 00:57:58,078 LIKE, IT WAS JUST WEIRD. >> Reporter: SMIRK 1047 00:57:58,078 --> 00:58:01,348 >> YEAH. >> Reporter: AND WHEN DETECTIVES 1048 00:58:01,348 --> 00:58:07,087 SHOWED CAROL A PHOTO LINEUP, SHE WAS CONFIDENT. 1049 00:58:07,087 --> 00:58:12,926 >> OKAY, YEAH, THAT'S HER. >> Reporter: FASCINATING TALE. 1050 00:58:12,926 --> 00:58:15,595 EXCEPT, AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, CAROL HAD CAMERAS ON HER HOUSE 1051 00:58:15,595 --> 00:58:20,900 AND ONE OF THEM GOT A GOOD LOOK AT THE WOMAN'S LICENSE PLATE 1052 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:24,204 PAM HUPP'S LICENSE PLATE NOW THEY WERE GETTING SOMEWHERE. 1053 00:58:24,204 --> 00:58:28,475 IT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS PAM WAS USING OUR IDENTITY TO TROLL FOR 1054 00:58:28,475 --> 00:58:30,443 A VICTIM SHE MUST HAVE USED THE VERY SAME 1055 00:58:30,443 --> 00:58:34,848 RUSE TO PICK UP THE VULNERABLE LOUIS GUMPENBERGER 1056 00:58:34,848 --> 00:58:42,155 BUT TO PROVE THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN SPECULATION 1057 00:58:42,155 --> 00:58:43,757 SO DET. McCLAIN SUBMITTED AN EMERGENCY SEARCH WARRANT TO 1058 00:58:43,757 --> 00:58:47,460 GOOGLE, REQUESTING A LOCATION HISTORY FOR PAM'S PHONE. 1059 00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:50,096 >> AND I GET THE DATA, AND I PULL IT INTO GOOGLE EARTH TO 1060 00:58:50,096 --> 00:58:54,401 PLOT IT. >> Reporter: AND UP POPPED 1061 00:58:54,401 --> 00:58:56,069 DOZENS OF TINY PINS. >> I CAN SEE WHEN SHE LEFT THE 1062 00:58:56,069 --> 00:59:00,273 HOUSE. I CAN SEE EVERYWHERE SHE WENT. 1063 00:59:00,273 --> 00:59:06,046 AND AS I SCROLL IN AND SCROLL IN, I STOPPED. 1064 00:59:06,046 --> 00:59:08,181 THERE'S A PIN ON HIS APARTMENT COMPLEX. 1065 00:59:08,181 --> 00:59:13,019 >> Reporter: WOW THERE'S YOUR PROOF 1066 00:59:13,019 --> 00:59:14,621 >> Reporter: CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT PAM'S PHONE WAS AT 1067 00:59:14,621 --> 00:59:17,190 LOUIS GUMPENBERGER'S APARTMENT MEANING PAM HERSELF MUST HAVE 1068 00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:26,800 BEEN THERE, TOO. BUT THEY HAD TO KNOW FOR SURE. 1069 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,335 >> WE JUST FLOODED THE ENTIRE ROUTE FOR ANY POSSIBLE CAMERA 1070 00:59:28,335 --> 00:59:31,538 FOOTAGE. AND IF GOOGLE SAID SHE WAS 1071 00:59:31,538 --> 00:59:33,673 THERE, AND THERE WAS A CAMERA, SHE WAS THERE. 1072 00:59:33,673 --> 00:59:35,241 >> Reporter: BUT ONE PARTICULAR BIT TOLD THE TALE. 1073 00:59:35,241 --> 00:59:37,911 A CAMERA ON A BAKERY ON THE ROUTE FROM LOUIS'S APARTMENT TO 1074 00:59:37,911 --> 00:59:40,046 PAM'S HOUSE. >> AND THEY HAD VIDEO. 1075 00:59:40,046 --> 00:59:44,784 IT'S VERY GRAINY IT'S TOUGH TO SEE. 1076 00:59:44,784 --> 00:59:46,419 >> Reporter: BUT THERE, IN PAM'S CAR, WAS LOUIS GUMPENBERGER. 1077 00:59:46,419 --> 00:59:51,124 AT LEAST IT SURE LOOKED LIKE IT TO THEM. 1078 00:59:51,124 --> 00:59:53,259 >> I BELIEVE YOU SEE HIM IN THE PASSENGER SEAT GOING TO HIS 1079 00:59:53,259 --> 00:59:57,497 DEATH. IT'S EERIE 1080 00:59:57,497 --> 00:59:59,632 HE'S A GHOST-LIKE FIGURE IN THE PASSENGER SEAT OF HER VEHICLE 1081 00:59:59,632 --> 01:00:02,268 BEFORE HE BECOMES AN ACTUAL GHOST. 1082 01:00:02,268 --> 01:00:04,871 >> Reporter: WITH ALL THAT EVIDENCE - 1083 01:00:04,871 --> 01:00:07,040 >> I THINK IT'S TIME TO TAKE HER INTO CUSTODY 1084 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,811 >> Reporter: A WEEK AFTER PAM SHOT LOUIS GUMPENBERGER TO 1085 01:00:11,811 --> 01:00:13,413 DEATH, THEY SLAPPED ON THE CUFFS, PUT HER IN THEIR CAR, AND 1086 01:00:13,413 --> 01:00:22,455 TOLD HER SHE WAS UNDER ARREST FOR MURDER 1087 01:00:22,455 --> 01:00:24,591 >> WHEN WE WERE EXPLAINING TO HER WHAT WAS TRANSPIRING, THAT, 1088 01:00:24,591 --> 01:00:27,227 "YOU'RE BEING ARRESTED FOR MURDER -- WE HAVE A MOUNTAIN OF 1089 01:00:27,227 --> 01:00:29,362 EVIDENCE, AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY WITH THIS," HER ONLY 1090 01:00:29,362 --> 01:00:32,699 STATEMENT TO ME WAS, "I'M A LITTLE COLD. 1091 01:00:32,699 --> 01:00:37,470 COULD YOU TURN DOWN THE AC?" >> Reporter: SO COLD, SAID 1092 01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:41,675 PROSECUTOR LOHMAR, PAM CAREFULLY, DELIBERATELY STALKED, 1093 01:00:41,675 --> 01:00:46,312 LIED TO, AND THEN KILLED LOUIS GUMPENBERGER, ALL TO 1094 01:00:46,312 --> 01:00:50,050 IMPLICATE RUSS >> I THINK THE WHOLE POINT WAS 1095 01:00:50,050 --> 01:00:53,319 TO POINT THE FINGER BACK AT HIM. TO SHOW THAT, "HEY, I'M RIGHT 1096 01:00:53,319 --> 01:00:56,089 AFTER ALL. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT 1097 01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:57,590 CASE AND LOOK HOW BAD HE WANTS ME TO 1098 01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:59,592 GO DOWN FOR IT BAD ENOUGH TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO 1099 01:00:59,592 --> 01:01:04,397 KILL ME. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT 1100 01:01:04,397 --> 01:01:06,066 >> Reporter: RIGHT AFTER DETECTIVES ARRESTED PAM, THEY 1101 01:01:06,066 --> 01:01:08,635 SAT DOWN TO BEGIN THEIR FORMAL INTERVIEW WITH HER 1102 01:01:08,635 --> 01:01:09,669 AND SHE QUICKLY ASKED FOR HER LAWYER 1103 01:01:09,669 --> 01:01:11,805 >> I'D LIKE HIM TO BE CALLED NOW. 1104 01:01:11,805 --> 01:01:17,110 >> Reporter: BUT THEN SHE DID SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED. 1105 01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:18,778 AFTER THE DETECTIVES LEFT THE ROOM TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS, PAM 1106 01:01:18,778 --> 01:01:24,084 SPOTTED A PEN BEHIND HER WATER BOTTLE 1107 01:01:24,084 --> 01:01:26,119 THEN REACHED FOR THE BOTTLE, PULLED IT WITH THE PEN, PALMED 1108 01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:29,956 IT, TUCKED IT INTO HER PANTS, AND ASKED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. 1109 01:01:29,956 --> 01:01:32,592 >> PAM PAM! 1110 01:01:32,592 --> 01:01:35,729 PAM! >> Reporter: IT WAS A MOMENT 1111 01:01:35,729 --> 01:01:38,865 BEFORE THEY REALIZED SHE WAS STABBING HERSELF 1112 01:01:38,865 --> 01:01:42,102 >> YOU NEVER WANT ANYONE TO DIE ON YOUR WATCH. 1113 01:01:42,102 --> 01:01:47,340 AND ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THERE'S A PRESS CONFERENCE IN 1114 01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:48,441 ABOUT 30 MINUTES, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO LEAD INTO THE 1115 01:01:48,441 --> 01:01:50,543 PRESS CONFERENCE WITH, "OH, AND BY THE WAY, PAM HUPP KILLED 1116 01:01:50,543 --> 01:01:54,781 HERSELF. >> Reporter: INDEED. 1117 01:01:54,781 --> 01:01:58,118 OH, INDEED >>> COMING UP -- 1118 01:01:58,118 --> 01:02:01,354 PAM IN THE SLAMMER WILL IT HUMBLE HER 1119 01:02:01,354 --> 01:02:04,858 >> SHE TRIED TO PUT INMATES AGAINST EACH OTHER 1120 01:02:04,858 --> 01:02:06,459 SHE WOULD SAY, "DID YOU HEAR WHAT SO-AND-SO SAID ABOUT YOU? 1121 01:02:06,459 --> 01:02:07,327 IT WAS LIKE A MIND GAME EVERY DAY FOR HER. 1122 01:02:24,210 --> 01:02:26,346 >> Reporter: PAM HUPP DID NOT MANAGE TO KILL HERSELF WITH THE 1123 01:02:26,346 --> 01:02:29,516 BIC PEN SHE SNEAKED FROM THAT POLICE INTERVIEW ROOM WHEN SHE 1124 01:02:29,516 --> 01:02:30,617 WAS CHARGED WITH MURDER. >> DID SHE REALLY WANT TO KILL 1125 01:02:30,617 --> 01:02:32,719 HERSELF? I DON'T THINK SHE DID. 1126 01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:34,854 I THINK SHE'S TOO MUCH OF A COWARD FOR THAT. 1127 01:02:34,854 --> 01:02:37,524 WE CAME TO FIND OUT LATER THAT THE INJURIES WERE MOSTLY 1128 01:02:37,524 --> 01:02:39,626 SUPERFICIAL. >> Reporter: SO PROSECUTOR 1129 01:02:39,626 --> 01:02:42,262 LOHMAR PROCEEDED WITH HIS PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING THE 1130 01:02:42,262 --> 01:02:47,100 CHARGES. >> AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO 1131 01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,635 BRIEFLY OUTLINE THE FACTS. >> Reporter: PAM'S FORMER 1132 01:02:48,635 --> 01:02:54,507 NEIGHBOR BARBARA WATCHED IN DISBELIEF. 1133 01:02:54,507 --> 01:03:02,449 >> I SAID, "WHO WAS THIS PERSON THAT I KNEW? 1134 01:03:02,449 --> 01:03:05,719 BECAUSE SHE WASN'T LIKE THAT. WHY WOULD SHE DO SUCH A THING? 1135 01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:06,886 >> Reporter: PAM'S INCIDENT WITH THE PEN LANDED HER IN THE 1136 01:03:06,886 --> 01:03:09,856 SUICIDE WATCH UNIT OF THE ST. CHARLES COUNTY JAIL. 1137 01:03:09,856 --> 01:03:15,195 AND THAT IS WHERE A CORRECTIONS OFFICER, WHO ASKED TO REMAIN 1138 01:03:15,195 --> 01:03:20,066 ANONYMOUS, GOT TO KNOW HER >> I REMEMBER JUST SEEING HER 1139 01:03:20,066 --> 01:03:25,839 KIND OF A BLANK STARE ON HER FACE, NO CRYING, NO REMORSE, 1140 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:26,940 JUST KIND OF COLD. >> Reporter: THAT IS COLD AT 1141 01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:30,076 FIRST, BUT WHEN OTHER INMATES ARRIVED -- 1142 01:03:30,076 --> 01:03:33,780 >> SHE KIND OF ACTED AS THOUGH SHE WAS IN CHARGE. 1143 01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:37,517 SHE OFTEN TRIED TO PUT INMATES AGAINST EACH OTHER 1144 01:03:37,517 --> 01:03:40,720 SHE WOULD SAY, "DID YOU HEAR WHAT SO-AND-SO SAID ABOUT YOU 1145 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,789 EARLIER? AND IT -- IT WASN'T TRUE 1146 01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:47,594 BUT SHE WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO STIR THE POT 1147 01:03:47,594 --> 01:03:50,230 >> Reporter: TO WHAT END >> SHE KIND OF LIVED FOR THAT. 1148 01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:54,467 IT WAS LIKE A MIND GAME EVERY DAY FOR HER WITH THE OFFICERS 1149 01:03:54,467 --> 01:03:56,102 AND THE INMATES. >> Reporter: THIS OFFICER 1150 01:03:56,102 --> 01:04:03,476 WATCHED OVER PAM'S UNIT FOR THREE YEARS. 1151 01:04:03,476 --> 01:04:10,183 GOT TO KNOW HER PRETTY WELL. >> A MASTER MANIPULATOR, VERY 1152 01:04:10,183 --> 01:04:16,089 NARCISSISTIC, AND JUST COLD. THERE WAS NO SIGN OF EMPATHY OR 1153 01:04:16,089 --> 01:04:16,956 ANYTHING FOR HER FAMILY OR OTHER INMATES. 1154 01:04:16,956 --> 01:04:19,259 >> Reporter: PROSECUTOR TIM LOHMAR DECIDED TO SEEK THE 1155 01:04:19,259 --> 01:04:23,063 DEATH PENALTY IN PAM'S CASE. HER TRIAL WAS BOTH HIGHLY 1156 01:04:23,063 --> 01:04:26,700 ANTICIPATED AND DELAYED. DELAYED AND DELAYED. 1157 01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:32,539 WHICH GAVE PAM PLENTY OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT THINGS 1158 01:04:32,539 --> 01:04:35,208 SO WHEN THE PROSECUTOR DANGLED A POSSIBLE DEAL, PAM CALLED HER 1159 01:04:35,208 --> 01:04:37,844 HUSBAND MARK TO TALK IT OVER ALL CALLS ARE RECORDED OF 1160 01:04:37,844 --> 01:04:40,113 COURSE >> HELLO 1161 01:04:40,113 --> 01:04:43,683 >> HELLO >> HEY 1162 01:04:43,683 --> 01:04:44,818 WHAT ARE YOU DOING >> Reporter: PAM TOLD MARK SHE 1163 01:04:44,818 --> 01:04:45,719 WAS CONVINCED SHE COULDN'T GET A FAIR TRIAL 1164 01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:51,157 THERE WAS JUST TOO MUCH OUT THERE ABOUT HER. 1165 01:04:51,157 --> 01:04:59,099 >> I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT FOR YEARS IN PAPERS CONSTANTLY 1166 01:04:59,099 --> 01:05:00,233 AND MAGAZINES, "DATELINE." AND GO OUT AND PICK A JURY AND 1167 01:05:00,233 --> 01:05:02,268 THEY'RE ALREADY GOING, "YEAH, THIS PSYCHO. 1168 01:05:02,268 --> 01:05:06,039 YOU KNOW THAT. I WOULD PROBABLY THINK THAT. 1169 01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:08,108 >> Reporter: THOUGH SHE SAID SHE SHOT LOUIS GUMPENBERGER IN SELF 1170 01:05:08,108 --> 01:05:14,247 DEFENSE, SHE WAS THINKING MAYBE SHE SHOULD TAKE THAT DEAL. 1171 01:05:14,247 --> 01:05:15,548 MARK WASN'T SO SURE. >> I'M KIND OF IN A NO-WIN 1172 01:05:15,548 --> 01:05:19,919 SITUATION. YOU KNOW 1173 01:05:19,919 --> 01:05:23,056 >> WELL I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S NOT A WIN SITUATION IF YOU DID 1174 01:05:23,056 --> 01:05:27,727 WHAT YOU DID FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. 1175 01:05:27,727 --> 01:05:30,930 >> RIGHT AND I DID. 1176 01:05:30,930 --> 01:05:34,768 >> SO -- I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN BE HELD 1177 01:05:34,768 --> 01:05:40,473 ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT THEN. IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD NOT ADMIT 1178 01:05:40,473 --> 01:05:41,808 TO SOMETHING I DIDN'T DO >> Reporter: AND IN THE END SHE 1179 01:05:41,808 --> 01:05:47,914 DIDN'T ADMIT TO ANYTHING SHE TOOK WHAT THEY CALL AN 1180 01:05:47,914 --> 01:05:50,550 "ALFORD" PLEA. MEANING, SHE AGREED TO PLEAD 1181 01:05:50,550 --> 01:05:52,152 GUILTY BECAUSE THE STATE HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVICT HER, 1182 01:05:52,152 --> 01:05:57,457 BUT NOT BECAUSE SHE ADMITTED TO IT 1183 01:05:57,457 --> 01:05:58,525 ISN'T THAT KIND OF A HALF-HEARTED VICTORY 1184 01:05:58,525 --> 01:06:02,762 >> IT LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN SOME PEOPLE'S MOUTH, SURE 1185 01:06:02,762 --> 01:06:05,031 I -- I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HER STAND UP THERE AND EXPLAIN IN 1186 01:06:05,031 --> 01:06:07,567 GREAT DETAIL WHAT SHE WAS DOING AND WHY SHE DID IT AND HOW SHE 1187 01:06:07,567 --> 01:06:09,669 FEELS ABOUT IT NOW >> Reporter: BUT PROSECUTOR 1188 01:06:09,669 --> 01:06:15,141 LOHMAR HAD COME TO BELIEVE PAM WOULD NEVER DO THAT. 1189 01:06:15,141 --> 01:06:17,610 AND WITH THE EXTRAORDINARY COST OF A DEATH PENALTY CASE, LOHMAR 1190 01:06:17,610 --> 01:06:22,382 REASONED THAT SAVING THE MONEY, AND PUTTING PAM AWAY FOR LIFE 1191 01:06:22,382 --> 01:06:26,619 ANYWAY, MADE SENSE RUSS AND HIS COUSIN MARY WERE IN 1192 01:06:26,619 --> 01:06:27,821 THE COURTROOM TO WITNESS THE PLEA AND THEY BARELY RECOGNIZED 1193 01:06:27,821 --> 01:06:30,857 PAM. >> THE BEST DESCRIPTION OF HER 1194 01:06:30,857 --> 01:06:33,626 OF THAT I COULD COME UP WITH WAS THE OLD HAG THAT GAVE SNOW WHITE 1195 01:06:33,626 --> 01:06:36,196 THE APPLE, SHE LOOKS A BIT LIKE THAT NOW 1196 01:06:36,196 --> 01:06:38,331 >> SHE STILL HAD THAT GRIN ON HER FACE 1197 01:06:38,331 --> 01:06:43,636 SHE STILL HAD THAT ARROGANCE ABOUT HER. 1198 01:06:43,636 --> 01:06:45,872 >> Reporter: TWO MONTHS LATER, THE JUDGE GAVE HER THE MANDATORY 1199 01:06:45,872 --> 01:06:49,476 SENTENCE FOR MURDER. LIFE IN PRISON WITHOUT THE 1200 01:06:49,476 --> 01:06:53,713 POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE. PLUS 30 YEARS FOR ARMED CRIMINAL 1201 01:06:53,713 --> 01:06:57,984 ACTION >> THE SAME CHARGES THAT I GOT 1202 01:06:57,984 --> 01:07:01,221 CHARGED WITH I ALWAYS WANTED HER TO GET THE 1203 01:07:01,221 --> 01:07:06,459 SAME SENTENCE THAT I DID >> Reporter: AROUND TOWN, THE 1204 01:07:06,459 --> 01:07:09,396 BLAME WASN'T PUT ONLY ON PAM PEOPLE WONDERED. 1205 01:07:09,396 --> 01:07:11,765 DO YOU THINK THAT HAD LINCOLN COUNTY DONE AN ADEQUATE JOB THAT 1206 01:07:11,765 --> 01:07:14,067 LOUIS GUMPENBERGER WOULD STILL BE ALIVE TODAY 1207 01:07:14,067 --> 01:07:15,468 >> I THINK THAT'S A -- GOES WITHOUT SAYING 1208 01:07:15,468 --> 01:07:18,138 >> EASY. >> EASY ANSWER. 1209 01:07:18,138 --> 01:07:19,739 >> HMM DO THEY HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR 1210 01:07:19,739 --> 01:07:25,612 HANDS? >> SAME EASY ANSWER. 1211 01:07:25,612 --> 01:07:26,646 OF COURSE. >> Reporter: WHAT WOULD 1212 01:07:26,646 --> 01:07:30,917 LEAH ASKEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT 1213 01:07:30,917 --> 01:07:37,257 >> Reporter: COMING UP - WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT. 1214 01:07:37,257 --> 01:07:39,059 THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT LOUIS GUMPENBERGER WOULD BE 1215 01:07:39,059 --> 01:07:40,460 ALIVE TODAY HAD YOU CONCENTRATED ON PAM HUPP AND NOT ON 1216 01:07:40,460 --> 01:08:01,181 RUSS FARIA >> Reporter: LOUIS GUMPENBERGER 1217 01:08:01,181 --> 01:08:02,115 WAS PURELY COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN PAM'S SCHEME 1218 01:08:02,115 --> 01:08:04,150 SO, DID THAT FINALLY CHANGE LEAH ASKEY'S MIND ABOUT 1219 01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:08,488 PAM HUPP >> NO. 1220 01:08:08,488 --> 01:08:15,428 IT MADE ME THINK, "THAT'S A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY 1221 01:08:15,428 --> 01:08:17,163 AND SHE OBVIOUSLY LOST HER MARBLES. 1222 01:08:17,163 --> 01:08:19,699 LIKE, SHE SNAPPED. SHE'S DEFINITELY GONE OFF THE 1223 01:08:19,699 --> 01:08:20,700 DEEP END." >> Reporter: I THINK THAT 1224 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:21,735 PROBABLY A LOTTA PEOPLE WOULD AGREE THAT THERE'S - 1225 01:08:21,735 --> 01:08:25,472 [ LAUGHTER ] -- SOME STUFF ABOUT PAM WHICH IS 1226 01:08:25,472 --> 01:08:33,446 NOT ENTIRELY NORMAL. BUT THE FACT THAT SHE WOULD KILL 1227 01:08:33,446 --> 01:08:37,684 THAT PERSON, AND TRY TO FRAME THE MAN WHO WAS ACQUITTED OF THE 1228 01:08:37,684 --> 01:08:38,785 MURDER OF HIS WIFE -- THAT MUST'VE MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR 1229 01:08:38,785 --> 01:08:46,726 MIND ABOUT THIS CASE >> IT DEFINITELY MADE ME THINK, 1230 01:08:46,726 --> 01:08:48,862 YOU KNOW, "WOW SHE'S CAPABLE OF MORE THAN I -- 1231 01:08:48,862 --> 01:08:51,498 THAN I WOULD'VE GIVEN HER CREDIT FOR. 1232 01:08:51,498 --> 01:08:53,633 >> Reporter: THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO EVEN TO THIS DAY SAY 1233 01:08:53,633 --> 01:08:58,405 THAT YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS, THAT LOUIS GUMPENBERGER 1234 01:08:58,405 --> 01:09:05,311 WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY HAD YOU CONCENTRATED ON PAM HUPP AND NOT 1235 01:09:05,311 --> 01:09:06,479 ON RUSS FARIA. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY CULPABILITY 1236 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:13,787 IN ANYTHING TO DO WITH LOUIS GUMPENBERGER 1237 01:09:13,787 --> 01:09:15,922 IT IS A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY BUT I WAS ELECTED TO DO A JOB. 1238 01:09:15,922 --> 01:09:20,160 AND I DID MY JOB AND A JURY CONVICTED HIM 1239 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:26,533 ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER. 1240 01:09:26,533 --> 01:09:32,906 IT WAS NEVER MY JOB TO SEEK OUT A SUSPECT. 1241 01:09:32,906 --> 01:09:40,347 AND SO I COULDN'T HAVE DONE ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT I DID, 1242 01:09:40,347 --> 01:09:42,482 OTHER THAN NOT PROSECUTE, WHICH I WOULD'VE NOT PROSECUTED, HAD I 1243 01:09:42,482 --> 01:09:45,652 NOT BELIEVED THAT THE PERSON WE WERE PROSECUTING WAS CORRECT AT 1244 01:09:45,652 --> 01:09:49,389 THE TIME >> Reporter: BUT RUSS FARIA, 1245 01:09:49,389 --> 01:09:52,525 WHO'D SPENT THREE AND A HALF YEARS BEHIND BARS FOR A MURDER 1246 01:09:52,525 --> 01:09:55,161 HE DIDN'T COMMIT, BEGGED TO DISAGREE 1247 01:09:55,161 --> 01:09:59,432 >> WE FILED A LAWSUIT THAT THEY TRAMPLED ALL OVER MY HUMAN 1248 01:09:59,432 --> 01:10:03,670 RIGHTS >> Reporter: HE SUED 1249 01:10:03,670 --> 01:10:06,306 LINCOLN COUNTY AS WELL AS THE THREE MAIN INVESTIGATORS AND 1250 01:10:06,306 --> 01:10:07,941 PROSECUTOR LEAH ASKEY. BUT LINCOLN COUNTY AND ASKEY 1251 01:10:07,941 --> 01:10:08,975 WERE EVENTUALLY EXCUSED FROM THE LAWSUIT. 1252 01:10:08,975 --> 01:10:14,280 >> Reporter: WHY COULDN'T YOU GO AFTER HER? 1253 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,617 >> PROSECUTORIAL IMMUNITY, WHICH BASICALLY LETS PROSECUTORS DO 1254 01:10:17,617 --> 01:10:19,686 WHATEVER THEY WANT THEY CAN RUIN PEOPLE'S LIVES, 1255 01:10:19,686 --> 01:10:24,391 SEND YOU TO PRISON FOR LIFE. >> Reporter: IN THE END IT WAS A 1256 01:10:24,391 --> 01:10:27,327 LITTLE LIKE PAM'S PLEA THE INSURANCE COMPANY COVERING 1257 01:10:27,327 --> 01:10:29,796 THE DETECTIVES PAID RUSS $2 MILLION DOLLARS, BUT NO ONE 1258 01:10:29,796 --> 01:10:31,831 ADMITTED ANY WRONGDOING. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY 1259 01:10:31,831 --> 01:10:37,103 PAID US. SO YOU CAN TAKE FROM THAT WHAT 1260 01:10:37,103 --> 01:10:41,875 YOU WILL >> Reporter: IN 2018, THE JUDGE 1261 01:10:41,875 --> 01:10:46,146 IN RUSS FARIA'S FIRST TRIAL AND PROSECUTOR LEAH ASKEY WERE BOTH 1262 01:10:46,146 --> 01:10:49,416 VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. THE MAN WHO BEAT THE PROSECUTOR 1263 01:10:49,416 --> 01:10:53,019 IS MIKE WOOD HE WON IN A LANDSLIDE. 1264 01:10:53,019 --> 01:10:54,254 DURING HIS CAMPAIGN HE POSTED VIDEOS LIKE THIS ONE, PROMISING 1265 01:10:54,254 --> 01:10:58,324 TO REOPEN THE BETSY FARIA MURDER CASE 1266 01:10:58,324 --> 01:11:00,593 >> CERTAINLY WE WANT TO SEEK JUSTICE. 1267 01:11:00,593 --> 01:11:02,595 WE WANT ANSWERS FOR THE FAMILY AND THAT'S MY JOB TO TRY TO SEEK 1268 01:11:02,595 --> 01:11:08,435 THOSE. >> Reporter: THE GUMPENBERGER 1269 01:11:08,435 --> 01:11:13,740 CASE, WITH PAM'S APPARENT AIM TO FRAME RUSS AGAIN, PROVIDED THE 1270 01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:19,079 PROSECUTOR WITH SOME AMMUNITION. >> IF YOU'RE WILLING TO STAGE A 1271 01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:22,749 KILLING OF SOMEONE IN ORDER TO ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT OR COVER UP 1272 01:11:22,749 --> 01:11:25,952 ISSUES THAT WERE IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY, OUGHT TO 1273 01:11:25,952 --> 01:11:29,756 LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO KILL SOMEBODY 1274 01:11:29,756 --> 01:11:32,459 HERE, POTENTIALLY YOU'RE WILLING TO KILL SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE ELSE. 1275 01:11:32,459 --> 01:11:34,427 >> Reporter: A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION, PERHAPS. 1276 01:11:34,427 --> 01:11:37,630 SUBJECT TO INVESTIGATION BUT SOME BELIEVE THERE COULD BE 1277 01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:39,232 A THIRD VICTIM >> IT IS PAM HUPP WHO WAS THE 1278 01:11:39,232 --> 01:11:42,402 LAST ONE WITH HER. WE KNOW -- WE KNOW WHAT SHE'S 1279 01:11:42,402 --> 01:11:45,605 CAPABLE OF >> Reporter: JOEL SCHWARTZ WAS 1280 01:11:45,605 --> 01:11:51,444 TALKING ABOUT PAM'S OWN MOTHER, SHIRLEY NEUMANN. 1281 01:11:51,444 --> 01:11:54,614 HALLOWEEN DAY, 2013, SHIRLEY WAS FOUND DEAD ON THE GROUND BELOW 1282 01:11:54,614 --> 01:11:56,716 HER THIRD FLOOR UNIT AT A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY IN SUBURBAN 1283 01:11:56,716 --> 01:11:59,352 ST. LOUIS. IT APPEARED SHE MIGHT HAVE 1284 01:11:59,352 --> 01:12:05,725 TRIPPED AND FALLEN THROUGH THE RAILINGS ON HER BALCONY. 1285 01:12:05,725 --> 01:12:12,065 ODDLY ENOUGH, 16 MONTHS EARLIER, WHEN PAM WAS TALKING TO THE LEAD 1286 01:12:12,065 --> 01:12:14,200 DETECTIVE BUILDING A MURDER CASE AGAINST RUSS FARIA, SHE SAID 1287 01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,069 BETSY'S $150,000 OF LIFE INSURANCE WAS TOO PALTRY TO BE 1288 01:12:16,069 --> 01:12:22,142 ANY KIND OF MOTIVE FOR MURDER FOR HER. 1289 01:12:22,142 --> 01:12:24,277 >> IF I REALLY -- HATE TO SAY IT -- WANTED MONEY, MY MOM'S 1290 01:12:24,277 --> 01:12:29,082 WORTH A HALF A MILLION THAT I GET WHEN SHE DIES. 1291 01:12:29,082 --> 01:12:30,283 IF I REALLY WANTED MONEY, THERE WAS AN EASIER WAY THAN TRYING TO 1292 01:12:30,283 --> 01:12:32,252 COMBAT SOMEBODY THAT'S PHYSICALLY STRONGER THAN ME. 1293 01:12:32,252 --> 01:12:38,591 I'M JUST SAYING. >> Reporter: "MY MOM'S WORTH 1294 01:12:38,591 --> 01:12:42,829 HALF A MILLION"? PAM WAS THE LAST KNOWN PERSON 1295 01:12:42,829 --> 01:12:44,664 WITH HER MOM, AND AS SHE LEFT THE RETIREMENT HOME, SHE TOLD 1296 01:12:44,664 --> 01:12:47,600 THE STAFF HER MOM WOULD NOT BE COMING DOWN FOR DINNER, OR 1297 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:52,405 BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING THEY FOUND SHIRLEY'S BODY THE 1298 01:12:52,405 --> 01:12:55,108 NEXT AFTERNOON OF COURSE, THE POLICE CAME 1299 01:12:55,108 --> 01:12:57,177 THEY TOOK PICTURES THERE WAS AN AUTOPSY 1300 01:12:57,177 --> 01:13:05,151 BUT IT WAS RULED AN ACCIDENT 3 YEARS LATER IN 2016, WE DID 1301 01:13:05,151 --> 01:13:07,287 SOME POKING AROUND AND, THIS WAS CURIOUS, THAT 1302 01:13:07,287 --> 01:13:10,423 AUTOPSY REVEALED THAT SHIRLEY HAD ABOUT 14 TIMES THE 1303 01:13:10,423 --> 01:13:13,093 RECOMMENDED DOSE FOR A WOMAN HER AGE OF AMBIEN OR ITS EQUIVALENT 1304 01:13:13,093 --> 01:13:16,830 IN HER SYSTEM. >> SO WE HAVE SIX SPINDLES 1305 01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:20,533 >> Reporter: WHAT'S MORE, WE TALKED TO A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER 1306 01:13:20,533 --> 01:13:25,839 NAMED JUSTIN HALL, WHO SAID IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PERSON TO 1307 01:13:25,839 --> 01:13:29,576 HAVE FALLEN AND BROKEN THROUGH THE RAILING LIKE THAT. 1308 01:13:29,576 --> 01:13:31,411 AND AFTER PERFORMING HIS OWN DEMONSTRATION, HALL FIGURED IT 1309 01:13:31,411 --> 01:13:33,246 WOULD TAKE AT LEAST 2000 POUNDS OF FORCE TO BEND OR BREAK THE 1310 01:13:33,246 --> 01:13:34,848 SPINDLES OF THE RAILING. COULD THAT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN AN 1311 01:13:34,848 --> 01:13:36,950 ACCIDENT >> NO. 1312 01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:38,551 >> Reporter: NO WAY? >> NO WAY. 1313 01:13:38,551 --> 01:13:42,822 THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PROVEN RIGHT HERE 1314 01:13:42,822 --> 01:13:46,159 >> Reporter: PAM HAS DENIED SHE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER 1315 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:49,195 MOTHER'S DEATH THE ESTATE WAS DIVIDED AMONG PAM 1316 01:13:49,195 --> 01:13:52,265 AND HER SIBLINGS AND SHE RECEIVED ABOUT $120,000, 1317 01:13:52,265 --> 01:13:59,305 NOT THE HALF MILLION SHE BOASTED SHE'D GET. 1318 01:13:59,305 --> 01:14:00,573 >> AT THIS POINT NOW, SHE'S BEEN AROUND A MINIMUM OF THREE PEOPLE 1319 01:14:00,573 --> 01:14:01,808 WHO DIED SUSPICIOUSLY, AND SHE'S BEEN THE LAST PERSON WITH THEM 1320 01:14:01,808 --> 01:14:05,712 >> Reporter: BUT ANOTHER SHOE WAS ABOUT TO DROP -- 1321 01:14:05,712 --> 01:14:13,620 A RE-OPENED INVESTIGATION WAS CLOSING IN ON PAM. 1322 01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:17,157 >>> COMING UP -- A DRAMATIC NEW DEVELOPMENT IN 1323 01:14:17,157 --> 01:14:20,060 THE CASE OF BETSY FARIA. AND THEN, OUTRAGE FROM 1324 01:14:20,060 --> 01:14:21,361 PROSECUTOR ASKEY - >> Reporter: WHAT WERE YOU 1325 01:14:21,361 --> 01:14:42,515 THINKING AS YOU WATCHED IT >> I WAS THINKING I'VE BEEN 1326 01:14:42,515 --> 01:14:44,084 >> Reporter: NEARLY A DECADE HAD PASSED SINCE BETSY FARIA'S 1327 01:14:44,084 --> 01:14:47,821 BRUTAL MURDER, AND YET THERE WAS STILL NO JUSTICE 1328 01:14:47,821 --> 01:14:51,091 THAT IS UNTIL THE NEWLY ELECTED PROSECUTOR MIKE WOOD, WHO'D MADE 1329 01:14:51,091 --> 01:14:54,227 A PROMISE TO REINVESTIGATE, FOLLOWED THROUGH 1330 01:14:54,227 --> 01:15:00,600 AND IN JULY 2021, HE HELD A BIG PRESS CONFERENCE. 1331 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,372 FINALLY -- >> I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT 1332 01:15:05,372 --> 01:15:06,940 WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION TO GIVE IN THE 1333 01:15:06,940 --> 01:15:10,844 INVESTIGATION INTO THE DEATH OF BETSY FARIA. 1334 01:15:10,844 --> 01:15:14,047 >> Reporter: SIGNIFICANT INDEED. RUSS WAS THERE AND COUSIN MARY. 1335 01:15:14,047 --> 01:15:17,584 JOEL SCHWARTZ, TOO EAGER TO HEAR THE NEWS 1336 01:15:17,584 --> 01:15:20,253 >> WE HAVE FILED MURDER CHARGES IN THE FIRST DEGREE AGAINST 1337 01:15:20,253 --> 01:15:26,359 PAMELA HUPP IN THE STABBING DEATH OF BETSY FARIA 1338 01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:30,864 >> Reporter: THERE IT WAS: PAM HUPP CHARGED WITH MURDERING 1339 01:15:30,864 --> 01:15:33,333 HER GOOD FRIEND BETSY. PROSECUTOR WOOD SAID MOST OF THE 1340 01:15:33,333 --> 01:15:36,703 FACTS WERE AVAILABLE ALL ALONG, AND MAKE A STRONG CIRCUMSTANTIAL 1341 01:15:36,703 --> 01:15:40,073 CASE >> PAMELA HUPP WAS THE LAST 1342 01:15:40,073 --> 01:15:41,207 PERSON TO SEE BETSY ALIVE. CELL PHONE RECORDS INDICATE THAT 1343 01:15:41,207 --> 01:15:46,246 SHE WAS AT OR NEAR THE HOME AT THE TIME OF THE DEATH. 1344 01:15:46,246 --> 01:15:47,881 SHE LIED ABOUT THE WHEREABOUTS. SHE LIED ABOUT THE DETAILS AND 1345 01:15:47,881 --> 01:15:49,416 LASTLY, SHE MURDERED AN INNOCENT MAN IN COLD BLOOD TO PREVENT 1346 01:15:49,416 --> 01:15:55,221 HERSELF FROM BEING CONSIDERED A SUSPECT. 1347 01:15:55,221 --> 01:15:57,323 >> Reporter: BUT THE CHARGE AGAINST PAM HUPP WASN'T THE ONLY 1348 01:15:57,323 --> 01:15:59,459 REVELATION TO COME OUT OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE 1349 01:15:59,459 --> 01:16:03,730 PROSECUTOR WOOD ALSO REVIEWED THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION, AND 1350 01:16:03,730 --> 01:16:08,568 HE SAID THIS - >> THIS IS ONE OF THE POOREST 1351 01:16:08,568 --> 01:16:10,170 EXAMPLES OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK THAT I AS WELL AS MY TEAM HAVE 1352 01:16:10,170 --> 01:16:12,172 EVER ENCOUNTERED. DRIVEN LARGELY BY EGO WORKING 1353 01:16:12,172 --> 01:16:17,510 TOWARD AN AGENDA RATHER THAN TRUTH. 1354 01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:20,680 >> Reporter: AND SO, SAID WOOD, HE'D LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION 1355 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,282 INTO POSSIBLE PROSECUTORIAL AND POLICE MISCONDUCT. 1356 01:16:22,282 --> 01:16:30,790 NOT JUST FOR MISTAKES, HE SAID. WORSE THAN THAT -- 1357 01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:33,493 >> INFORMATION CAME TO MY ATTENTION FROM THREE SEPARATE 1358 01:16:33,493 --> 01:16:34,661 AND INDEPENDENT SOURCES THAT WITNESSES WERE ASKED TO LIE ON 1359 01:16:34,661 --> 01:16:39,265 THE STAND BY THE PROSECUTOR IN THAT CASE. 1360 01:16:39,265 --> 01:16:42,569 >> Reporter: THOSE WITNESSES WHO CAME FORWARD ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT 1361 01:16:42,569 --> 01:16:45,638 WHO WORKED ON THE INVESTIGATION. >> THEY BELIEVED THAT THE 1362 01:16:45,638 --> 01:16:49,376 PROSECUTOR WAS ASKING THEM TO TESTIFY A CERTAIN WAY IN ORDER 1363 01:16:49,376 --> 01:16:52,112 TO SUPPORT THEORIES THAT THE STATE HAD THAT INVESTIGATORS DID 1364 01:16:52,112 --> 01:16:54,681 NOT BELIEVE CONFORMED WITH THE FACTS OF THEIR FINDINGS. 1365 01:16:54,681 --> 01:17:00,020 SO LET ME UNDERSTAND, LEAH ASKEY, HER INVOLVEMENT 1366 01:17:00,020 --> 01:17:02,655 WOULD BE DIRECTING THE INVESTIGATION TOWARDS THE 1367 01:17:02,655 --> 01:17:04,791 ALLEGED GUILT OF RUSS FARIA, AND AWAY FROM PAM HUPP 1368 01:17:04,791 --> 01:17:10,563 >> ABSOLUTELY. I COULD SAY THAT 100%. 1369 01:17:10,563 --> 01:17:12,198 >> Reporter: LEAH ASKEY, THE EX-PROSECUTOR, DID NOT ATTEND 1370 01:17:12,198 --> 01:17:14,868 HER SUCCESSOR'S PRESS CONFERENCE IN PERSON, BUT SHE CERTAINLY SAW 1371 01:17:14,868 --> 01:17:17,537 IT WHAT WERE YOU THINKING AS YOU 1372 01:17:17,537 --> 01:17:19,139 WATCHED IT >> I WAS THINKING I'VE BEEN 1373 01:17:19,139 --> 01:17:23,376 DUPED. >> Reporter: BY? 1374 01:17:23,376 --> 01:17:27,614 >> BY MIKE WOOD. >> Reporter: NO POSSIBILITY 1375 01:17:27,614 --> 01:17:29,749 ANYTHING HE WAS SAYING WAS TRUE? >> ABSOLUTELY NO POSSIBILITY 1376 01:17:29,749 --> 01:17:31,818 THAT ANYTHING HE WAS SAYING WITH REGARD TO ME WAS TRUE. 1377 01:17:31,818 --> 01:17:35,588 >> Reporter: DID YOU ASK ANYONE TO LIE 1378 01:17:35,588 --> 01:17:37,757 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. NOT ON THIS CASE, NOT ON ANY 1379 01:17:37,757 --> 01:17:43,563 CASE. I WOULDN'T AND I HAVEN'T 1380 01:17:43,563 --> 01:17:46,766 >> Reporter: AND THE ALLEGATION THAT THE INVESTIGATION AND 1381 01:17:46,766 --> 01:17:52,072 PROSECUTION WERE BOTCHED >> BLATANTLY, NOT TRUE 1382 01:17:52,072 --> 01:17:54,674 >> Reporter: ALL POLITICS? >> POLITICS AND LACK OF 1383 01:17:54,674 --> 01:18:01,081 INTEGRITY IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. >> Reporter: YOU STILL BELIEVE 1384 01:18:01,081 --> 01:18:03,817 HE'S GUILTY, DON'T YOU >> I HAVE NEVER BEEN PRESENTED 1385 01:18:03,817 --> 01:18:11,157 WITH ANY INFORMATION THAT SUGGESTS THAT SOMEONE ELSE 1386 01:18:11,157 --> 01:18:15,895 COMMITTED THIS CRIME. I MEAN, I JUST HAVEN'T 1387 01:18:15,895 --> 01:18:19,632 >> Reporter: SO THERE IT WAS. THE ONE-TIME PROSECUTOR HAS NOT 1388 01:18:19,632 --> 01:18:21,801 CHANGED HER MIND BUT ABOUT ONE THING IN 1389 01:18:21,801 --> 01:18:25,505 PARTICULAR, SHE HAS. IT'S THE THING THAT CANNOT 1390 01:18:25,505 --> 01:18:28,775 CHANGE >> IF ONLY I HAD NEVER RUN FOR 1391 01:18:28,775 --> 01:18:33,046 PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, LIFE WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT TODAY. 1392 01:18:33,046 --> 01:18:38,251 THE EXPERIENCE IN GENERAL HAS BEEN TAXING. 1393 01:18:38,251 --> 01:18:44,391 IT'S BEEN -- IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR -- FOR ME, FOR MY FAMILY 1394 01:18:44,391 --> 01:18:45,558 >> Reporter: BUT LIFE GOES ON. SHE REMARRIED, GOES BY LEAH 1395 01:18:45,558 --> 01:18:48,328 CHANEY NOW, AND OPENED HER OWN LAW PRACTICE. 1396 01:18:48,328 --> 01:18:55,168 AND -- >> BUSINESS IS GREAT. 1397 01:18:55,168 --> 01:18:56,336 I ALWAYS BELIEVE GOD HAS US RIGHT WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO 1398 01:18:56,336 --> 01:18:57,237 BE, AND THIS IS WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE. 1399 01:18:57,237 --> 01:19:04,778 AND I'M THANKFUL THAT IT'S WORKED OUT THIS WAY. 1400 01:19:04,778 --> 01:19:08,515 >> Reporter: SOME OF BETSY'S FAMILY FEEL MISLED -- THEY 1401 01:19:08,515 --> 01:19:10,083 BELIEVED WHAT ASKEY AND THE DETECTIVES TOLD THEM, AND FOR 1402 01:19:10,083 --> 01:19:16,790 YEARS BETSY'S MOTHER JANET REMAINED CONVINCED: RUSS KILLED 1403 01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:18,591 HER DAUGHTER BUT AFTER PAM HUPP WAS CHARGED, 1404 01:19:18,591 --> 01:19:23,363 JOEL SCHWARTZ RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM JANET. 1405 01:19:23,363 --> 01:19:27,600 >> SHE WAS CRYING. AND SHE MADE ME PROMISE TO TELL 1406 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:35,041 RUSS FARIA THAT SHE WAS SORRY. AND SHE USED EXPLETIVES FOR MISS 1407 01:19:35,041 --> 01:19:36,609 ASKEY AS WELL AS RYAN MCCARRICK. AND SHE COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT 1408 01:19:36,609 --> 01:19:39,779 THEY CONVINCED HER AND BRAINWASHED HER INTO THE FACT 1409 01:19:39,779 --> 01:19:46,186 THAT RUSS FARIA, HER SON-IN-LAW, WHO SHE DID LOVE, HAD COMMITTED 1410 01:19:46,186 --> 01:19:47,654 THIS HORRIFIC CRIME. >> Reporter: BY THE WAY, WE 1411 01:19:47,654 --> 01:19:50,957 TRIED TO CONTACT DETECTIVE RYAN MCCARRICK BUT HE DID NOT 1412 01:19:50,957 --> 01:19:53,059 RESPOND. BETSY'S DAUGHTER MARIAH, WHO AS 1413 01:19:53,059 --> 01:19:58,398 A TEENAGER GAVE IN TO PRESSURE, SHE SAID, TO TESTIFY AGAINST 1414 01:19:58,398 --> 01:19:59,766 RUSS TWICE, IS HOPING THE REAL KILLER 1415 01:19:59,766 --> 01:20:04,237 WILL FINALLY BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. 1416 01:20:04,237 --> 01:20:06,873 DO YOU THINK YOU'LL WANT TO ATTEND THAT TRIAL? 1417 01:20:06,873 --> 01:20:09,009 >> I'M GOING TO FOR MY MOM >> Reporter: MARIAH IS A MOM OF 1418 01:20:09,009 --> 01:20:12,178 TWO. SINCE WE INTERVIEWED HER, SHE 1419 01:20:12,178 --> 01:20:14,814 GAVE BIRTH TO A DAUGHTER, NAMED HER ELIZABETH KAY AFTER HER 1420 01:20:14,814 --> 01:20:22,789 MOTHER. THEY'RE CALLING HER LIBBY. 1421 01:20:22,789 --> 01:20:26,493 IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO PAM HUPP RIGHT NOW, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU 1422 01:20:26,493 --> 01:20:28,628 WOULD SAY TO HER >> I'D -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'D 1423 01:20:28,628 --> 01:20:35,535 SAY TO HER, BUT I KNOW WHAT I'D SAY TO LINCOLN COUNTY. 1424 01:20:35,535 --> 01:20:38,171 >> Reporter: WHICH IS WHAT >> WELL, PAM HUPP MIGHT'VE TOOK 1425 01:20:38,171 --> 01:20:43,476 MY MOM, BUT LINCOLN COUNTY TOOK MY DAD AWAY FROM ME AND RUINED 1426 01:20:43,476 --> 01:20:45,045 OUR RELATIONSHIP >> Reporter: THAT HURTS, DOESN'T 1427 01:20:45,045 --> 01:20:52,485 IT >> YEAH. 1428 01:20:52,485 --> 01:20:59,959 I WAS -- I WAS A DADDY'S GIRL, AND MY SISTER WAS A MOMMY'S 1429 01:20:59,959 --> 01:21:02,629 GIRL. SO, IT'S BEEN HARD 1430 01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:05,265 >> Reporter: DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THIS CAN 1431 01:21:05,265 --> 01:21:11,104 BE REPAIRED? >> I HOPE ONE DAY. 1432 01:21:11,104 --> 01:21:17,444 I THINK HE -- HE FEELS BETRAYED, WHICH I DON'T BLAME HIM. 1433 01:21:17,444 --> 01:21:19,546 BUT A LOT OF IT WAS OUT OF MY CONTROL. 1434 01:21:19,546 --> 01:21:29,456 >> Reporter: YOU STILL FEEL PRETTY BETRAYED BY THEM, HUH 1435 01:21:29,456 --> 01:21:38,131 >> SOME CUTS GO VERY DEEP, YES. I MEAN, I RAISED THEM FROM A 1436 01:21:38,131 --> 01:21:41,134 VERY YOUNG AGE, SO IT WAS REALLY DISHEARTENING TO SEE AND HEAR 1437 01:21:41,134 --> 01:21:41,901 THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID AND DID. 1438 01:21:41,901 --> 01:21:44,337 AND YOU KNOW, IT STILL HURTS SOMETIMES. 1439 01:21:44,337 --> 01:21:48,108 >> Reporter: LAST SUMMER A SHACKLED AND NOW DIVORCED 1440 01:21:48,108 --> 01:21:49,175 PAM HUPP WAS LED INTO THE LINCOLN COUNTY JUSTICE CENTER. 1441 01:21:49,175 --> 01:21:51,244 AND INSIDE THE COURTROOM SAT IN THE APPOINTED PLACE. 1442 01:21:51,244 --> 01:21:55,482 >> WE'RE ON THE RECORD AND WE'LL CALL THE CASE OF STATE OF 1443 01:21:55,482 --> 01:21:58,151 MISSOURI VS. PAMELA HUPP >> Reporter: THE JUDGE READ THE 1444 01:21:58,151 --> 01:22:01,855 CHARGE, MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE 1445 01:22:01,855 --> 01:22:03,456 HER NOT GUILTY PLEA WAS ENTERED, THOUGH SHE HERSELF SAID NOT A 1446 01:22:03,456 --> 01:22:11,931 WORD THE STATE IS SEEKING THE DEATH 1447 01:22:11,931 --> 01:22:17,237 PENALTY. >> A CASE THIS GRUESOME AND THIS 1448 01:22:17,237 --> 01:22:19,539 HEINOUS WAS AS BAD AS IT COULD POSSIBLY GET, AND THAT THE 1449 01:22:19,539 --> 01:22:21,508 PENALTY ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING THAT HORRIBLE NEEDED 1450 01:22:21,508 --> 01:22:25,311 TO -- TO JUSTIFY THAT. >> Reporter: OH, AND BY THE WAY, 1451 01:22:25,311 --> 01:22:29,549 PROSECUTOR WOOD'S NEW INVESTIGATION HAS RECENTLY BEEN 1452 01:22:29,549 --> 01:22:33,687 EXPANDED TO INCLUDE THE DEATH OF PAM HUPP'S MOTHER. 1453 01:22:33,687 --> 01:22:41,127 THERE'S NO TRIAL DATE YET IN BETSY'S CASE, BUT RUSS IS WELL, 1454 01:22:41,127 --> 01:22:46,433 LET HIM SAY IT >> I AM EXCITED TO TAKE THE 1455 01:22:46,433 --> 01:22:50,704 STAND AND PUT THE TRUTH OUT THERE IN OPEN COURT AND DO MY 1456 01:22:50,704 --> 01:22:51,738 PART TO HELP PUNISH THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAD 1457 01:22:51,738 --> 01:22:54,374 HAPPENED >> Reporter: THESE DAYS RUSS 1458 01:22:54,374 --> 01:22:59,713 WORKS AT A MOTORCYCLE SHOP, LIVES A QUIET AND MODEST LIFE. 1459 01:22:59,713 --> 01:23:01,815 >> I NEVER THOUGHT THAT MY LIFE WOULD BE INTERESTING ENOUGH TO 1460 01:23:01,815 --> 01:23:06,619 MAKE A MOVIE, LET ALONE A MINISERIES ABOUT 1461 01:23:06,619 --> 01:23:10,857 >> Reporter: YET IT WAS IN NBC'S LIMITED SERIES STARRING 1462 01:23:10,857 --> 01:23:17,297 RENEE ZELLWEGER. AND ONE MORE THING RUSS DIDN'T 1463 01:23:17,297 --> 01:23:18,565 EXPECT REMEMBER CAROL, THE WOMAN PAM 1464 01:23:18,565 --> 01:23:24,137 HUPP TRIED TO LURE INTO HER CAR. HOW DID YOU TWO MEET 1465 01:23:24,137 --> 01:23:29,776 >> WELL, THAT KINDA GOES BACK TO THE PERSON WE'VE ALL BEEN 1466 01:23:29,776 --> 01:23:32,445 TALKING ABOUT, PAM HUPP. >> Reporter: CAROL JUST SO 1467 01:23:32,445 --> 01:23:34,080 HAPPENED TO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE OF RUSS'S GAME 1468 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,615 NIGHT FRIENDS. AND AFTER LOUIS GUMPENBERGER'S 1469 01:23:35,615 --> 01:23:37,717 MURDER, POLICE WERE OVER AT CAROL'S HOUSE. 1470 01:23:37,717 --> 01:23:43,590 >> MY FRIEND INFORMED ME WHY THAT POLICE DETAIL WAS THERE, 1471 01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:46,960 AND SO I KNEW THAT THIS PERSON WAS INVOLVED IN THE CASE. 1472 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:52,098 AND EVENTUALLY MY FRIEND INTRODUCED US. 1473 01:23:52,098 --> 01:23:53,233 >> AND WE LITERALLY HUNG OUT EVERY DAY FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS 1474 01:23:53,233 --> 01:23:57,370 AFTER THAT, BEFORE WE STARTED DATING. 1475 01:23:57,370 --> 01:24:03,743 >> Reporter: DO YOU TWO HAVE NEWS TO SHARE? 1476 01:24:03,743 --> 01:24:08,948 >> OH, A LITTLE BIT. BACK IN OCTOBER, YEAH, WE KINDA 1477 01:24:08,948 --> 01:24:12,719 GOT ENGAGED. >> Reporter: BUT THE TWO ARE IN 1478 01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:15,422 NO RUSH BECAUSE -- >> HE HAS UNFINISHED BUSINESS 1479 01:24:15,422 --> 01:24:17,057 THAT HE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF, FOR HIMSELF. 1480 01:24:17,057 --> 01:24:21,795 AND I'LL STAND BESIDE HIM, AS I ALWAYS HAVE, THROUGH THAT. 1481 01:24:21,795 --> 01:24:26,066 >> Reporter: THAT UNFINISHED BUSINESS, OF COURSE, IS 1482 01:24:26,066 --> 01:24:30,270 CONVICTING THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING BETSY. 1483 01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:37,877 ALL THIS TIME, RUSS HAS KEPT A SMALL URN, SOME OF BETSY'S 1484 01:24:37,877 --> 01:24:40,947 ASHES. SO IN A WAY, SHE'LL STILL BE 1485 01:24:40,947 --> 01:24:41,748 WITH HIM >> BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT 1486 01:24:41,748 --> 01:24:42,482 HER. IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, IT'S NOT 1487 01:24:42,482 --> 01:24:43,450 ABOUT PAM HUPP, IT'S NOT ABOUT CROOKED POLICE. 1488 01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:48,355 IT'S ABOUT GETTING JUSTICE FOR HER. 1489 01:24:48,355 --> 01:24:54,494 >> Reporter: AT LONG LAST, GETTING JUSTICE FOR BETSY. 1490 01:24:54,494 --> 01:24:57,897 >>> THAT'S ALL FOR THIS EDITION OF "DATELINE." 1491 01:24:57,897 --> 01:25:02,402 WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT FRIDAY AT 9:00/8:00 CENTRAL AND OF 1492 01:25:02,402 --> 01:25:05,672 COURSE, I'LL SEE YOU EACH WEEKNIGHT FOR NOOEK "NIGHTLY 1493 01:25:05,672 --> 01:25:06,172 NEWS." TH