1 00:00:16,449 --> 00:00:17,317 >> THERE'S BLOOD ALL OVER MY 2 00:00:17,317 --> 00:00:22,722 HUSBAND. >> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU SEE 3 00:00:22,722 --> 00:00:25,558 WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE BEDROOM >> A DECEASED MALE LAYING ON THE 4 00:00:25,558 --> 00:00:27,560 BED, BLOOD ON HIM. >> MY BROTHER HAS BEEN MURDERED. 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,397 THINGS LIKE THAT JUST DON'T HAPPEN TO A PERSON 6 00:00:30,397 --> 00:00:33,800 BUT THEY WERE HAPPENING. >> SHE SAID TO ME, "THEY 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,102 BUTCHERED MY KENNY." >> Reporter: HOW SCARED WERE YOU 8 00:00:36,102 --> 00:00:38,938 FOR YOUR SISTER? >> OH, I WAS TERRIFIED 9 00:00:38,938 --> 00:00:42,375 >> THERE WAS A PIECE OF PAPER ON THE BED WITH A KNIFE THROUGH IT 10 00:00:42,375 --> 00:00:46,046 THAT SAID, "BITCH. I BELIEVE THEY CAME IN THERE TO 11 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:47,447 KILL MY SISTER >> Reporter: THIS IS A REAL 12 00:00:47,447 --> 00:00:50,316 WHODUNIT >> CORRECT 13 00:00:50,316 --> 00:00:54,487 WE HAD A CAST OF CHARACTERS THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK INTO 14 00:00:54,487 --> 00:00:58,558 >> Reporter: TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WEIRDER, ONE OF THESE MEN WAS 15 00:00:58,558 --> 00:01:00,860 EDDIE MUNSTER. >> YES, YES. 16 00:01:00,860 --> 00:01:04,264 >> Reporter: AN ACTOR FROM, LIKE -- BLAST FROM THE PAST. 17 00:01:04,264 --> 00:01:05,665 >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH 18 00:01:05,665 --> 00:01:07,934 >> IT'S LIKE, "WHAT DO WE GOT HERE?" 19 00:01:07,934 --> 00:01:11,371 >> MURDER ON THE FARM -- A MYSTERY FROM THE HEARTLAND THAT 20 00:01:11,371 --> 00:01:20,280 WILL HAUNT YOU I'M LESTER HOLT, AND THIS IS 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:20,513 I'M LESTER HOLT, AND THIS IS "DATELINE. 22 00:01:33,693 --> 00:01:38,531 TROUBLE AT DILL CREEK FARM." >> Reporter: YOU'LL FIND IT AT 23 00:01:38,531 --> 00:01:43,937 THE END OF MAPLE ROAD, A FARM WHERE YEARS AGO CHILDREN PLAYED 24 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:47,107 IN THE CREEK AND RODE THEIR FATHER'S PRIZE HORSES, WHERE 25 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:50,210 LIFE WAS GOOD. HE WAS A GENTLE GIANT. 26 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:55,248 AND THE FARM, NESTLED IN THE HEART OF WISCONSIN, WAS HIS VERY 27 00:01:55,248 --> 00:02:00,153 OWN SHANGRI-LA UNTIL THE VIOLENCE CAME, RIPPING 28 00:02:00,153 --> 00:02:04,157 THEM ALL APART >> 911 EMERGENCY 29 00:02:04,157 --> 00:02:05,925 CAN I HELP YOU >> Reporter: IT WAS EARLY 30 00:02:05,925 --> 00:02:08,428 MORNING, AUGUST 2006 A WOMAN IN A CAR TORE OUT OF THE 31 00:02:08,428 --> 00:02:13,233 DRIVEWAY AND LURCHED TO A STOP AT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. 32 00:02:13,233 --> 00:02:17,771 SHE HAMMERED ON THE DOOR, DESPERATE TO USE THE PHONE 33 00:02:17,771 --> 00:02:19,205 HER CRIES PIERCED THE COUNTRY STILLNESS. 34 00:02:19,205 --> 00:02:21,775 >> WHAT'S THE PROBLEM, MA'AM >> THERE'S BLOOD ALL OVER MY 35 00:02:21,775 --> 00:02:33,887 HUSBAND. HE'S JUST THERE LAYING THERE 36 00:02:33,887 --> 00:02:36,156 WITH ALL THIS BLOOD. >> Reporter: THEN, JUST AS 37 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:37,323 SUDDENLY, SHE WAS GONE, RACING TO ANOTHER NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, 38 00:02:37,323 --> 00:02:41,561 BEGGING THAT NEIGHBOR TO CALL 911 TOO. 39 00:02:41,561 --> 00:02:43,263 >> I'M CALLING FOR KEN -- UH, MRS. KEN JUEDES. 40 00:02:43,263 --> 00:02:44,464 SHE'S IN THE HOUSE HERE, AND SHE SAID HER HUSBAND IS IN THEIR 41 00:02:44,464 --> 00:02:51,104 HOUSE ALL FULL OF BLOOD AND HER PHONE WON'T WORK 42 00:02:51,104 --> 00:02:52,105 >> TELL HER -- DO WE KNOW IF HE'S BREATHING AT ALL? 43 00:02:52,105 --> 00:02:52,972 >> IS HE BREATHING HONEY >> I DON'T KNOW. 44 00:02:52,972 --> 00:02:54,808 >> YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S UNCONSCIOUS OR - 45 00:02:54,808 --> 00:02:59,913 >> I DON'T KNOW. >> SHE DOESN'T KNOW. 46 00:02:59,913 --> 00:03:01,047 >> THEY'LL GET SOME HELP QUICK, HONEY, ALL RIGHT 47 00:03:01,047 --> 00:03:06,052 DON'T WORRY. THEY'LL GET HELP 48 00:03:06,052 --> 00:03:09,055 >> Reporter: AN AMBULANCE SPED DOWN THE COUNTRY ROADS AND WORD 49 00:03:09,055 --> 00:03:11,057 SPREAD LAURIE JUEDES WAS ON THE OTHER 50 00:03:11,057 --> 00:03:14,961 SIDE OF THE COUNTRY IN WASHINGTON STATE WHEN SHE GOT A 51 00:03:14,961 --> 00:03:17,263 CALL THAT SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED TO HER OLDER BROTHER, KEN. 52 00:03:17,263 --> 00:03:19,532 MAYBE A FARMING ACCIDENT OF SOME KIND 53 00:03:19,532 --> 00:03:27,207 >> I CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND SAY, "WHAT 54 00:03:27,207 --> 00:03:29,509 HAPPENED?" AND THEY SAID, "OH, HANG UP THE 55 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:31,778 PHONE AND WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. >> Reporter: IS YOUR HEART 56 00:03:31,778 --> 00:03:33,713 POUNDING AT THIS POINT LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON 57 00:03:33,713 --> 00:03:36,583 >> YES >> Reporter: IT MUST BE SCARY. 58 00:03:36,583 --> 00:03:41,855 >> I'M DRIVING THE CAR I GOT MY KIDS IN THE BACKSEAT. 59 00:03:41,855 --> 00:03:45,992 AND THEN, LIKE, THE HEAVENS OPEN UP AND THE WORLD'S CRACKED 60 00:03:45,992 --> 00:03:48,528 >> Reporter: WITHIN MINUTES OF ARRIVING AT THE FARM, AN EMT 61 00:03:48,528 --> 00:03:51,398 CALLED THE MARATHON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT 62 00:03:51,398 --> 00:03:52,599 >> UM, WE'RE GOING TO NEED AT LEAST ONE DETECTIVE, POSSIBLY 63 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:56,503 TWO. >> I WAS ACTUALLY IN MY SQUAD 64 00:03:56,503 --> 00:03:59,105 CAR WHEN THE CALL CAME IN. >> IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A 65 00:03:59,105 --> 00:04:02,142 POSSIBLE HOMICIDE. >> Reporter: DETECTIVE 66 00:04:02,142 --> 00:04:08,481 SEAN McCARTHY KNEW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE. 67 00:04:08,481 --> 00:04:09,683 DILL CREEK FARM BELONGED TO 58-YEAR-OLD KEN JUEDES, A LOCAL 68 00:04:09,683 --> 00:04:12,719 PHARMACIST MARRIED TO HIS SECOND WIFE, CINDY. 69 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,055 SHE WAS THE WOMAN WHO'D CALLED 911 AND WAS NOW HOLED UP AT HER 70 00:04:15,055 --> 00:04:17,590 NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE THE DETECTIVE MET UP WITH HIS 71 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:20,126 PARTNER GREG BEAN AT THE FARMHOUSE. 72 00:04:20,126 --> 00:04:21,561 >> Reporter: THIS WAS AN ACTIVE SCENE ALREADY, DEPUTIES 73 00:04:21,561 --> 00:04:28,101 EVERYWHERE >> ACTIVE SCENE. 74 00:04:28,101 --> 00:04:30,337 WE -- WE HAD THE YELLOW TAPE CORDONING OFF THE AREA THERE AT 75 00:04:30,337 --> 00:04:31,504 THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY. >> Reporter: YOU COME INSIDE 76 00:04:31,504 --> 00:04:36,076 WHAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE >> FIRST THING I SEE IS THE 77 00:04:36,076 --> 00:04:40,313 BUTLER OFF TO MY RIGHT >> Reporter: NOT A REAL BUTLER 78 00:04:40,313 --> 00:04:42,716 A LIFE-SIZE HALLOWEEN MANNEQUIN. IT WAS A GHOULISH INTRODUCTION 79 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:46,886 TO WHAT WAS GOING TO BE A VERY STRANGE CASE 80 00:04:46,886 --> 00:04:51,691 DID IT SCARE THE RESPONDING OFFICERS AT FIRST? 81 00:04:51,691 --> 00:04:53,226 >> YES YEAH 82 00:04:53,226 --> 00:04:54,394 >> Reporter: IT'S ALMOST LIKE GUNS DRAWN, THEN, "THERE'S A 83 00:04:54,394 --> 00:04:55,128 BUTLER OH, IT'S NOT REAL. 84 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:56,262 >> RIGHT RIGHT. 85 00:04:56,262 --> 00:04:58,531 EXACTLY. YEAH 86 00:04:58,531 --> 00:05:04,270 AND YOU HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THIS MASTER BEDROOM. 87 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:05,305 >> Reporter: THEIR NEXT STOP WAS THE BEDROOM. 88 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:07,707 >> AND ON THE BED WAS THE VICTIM 89 00:05:07,707 --> 00:05:08,808 HE WAS LAYING UNCLOTHED WITH SOME MAJOR INJURIES TO HIS 90 00:05:08,808 --> 00:05:10,276 CHEST. >> Reporter: BULLET WOUNDS - 91 00:05:10,276 --> 00:05:11,411 >> BULLET WOUNDS >> Reporter: -- TO THE CHEST 92 00:05:11,411 --> 00:05:13,146 KEN HAD BEEN SHOT TWICE AT CLOSE RANGE. 93 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:17,217 AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAUGHT THE DETECTIVES' EYE. 94 00:05:17,217 --> 00:05:19,185 >> ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BED, THERE WAS A KNIFE STICKING 95 00:05:19,185 --> 00:05:20,320 THROUGH A PILLOW IT HAD A WHITE NOTE ON IT. 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,755 AND ON THE NOTE WAS WRITTEN THE WORD "BITCH. 97 00:05:21,755 --> 00:05:23,189 >> Reporter: WOW THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SEE IN THE 98 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:24,891 MOVIES >> IT DEFINITELY GOT OUR 99 00:05:24,891 --> 00:05:27,460 ATTENTION. LIKE, WE HADN'T SEEN THAT 100 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:29,162 BEFORE >> Reporter: THAT SOUNDS LIKE A 101 00:05:29,162 --> 00:05:34,701 REVENGE THING. >> AND THEN YOU WONDER WHAT'S 102 00:05:34,701 --> 00:05:36,703 GOING ON HERE AND WHAT WAS REALLY MEANT TO HAPPEN THAT 103 00:05:36,703 --> 00:05:39,105 NIGHT. RIGHT? 104 00:05:39,105 --> 00:05:40,306 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES WONDERED WHETHER THE NOTE WAS A 105 00:05:40,306 --> 00:05:45,378 MESSAGE NOT FOR KEN BUT FOR HIS WIFE 106 00:05:45,378 --> 00:05:49,082 >> YOU'VE GOT TO THINK, "WAS SHE A TARGET AS WELL?" 107 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:50,917 >> Reporter: ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN WASHINGTON, KEN'S SISTER 108 00:05:50,917 --> 00:05:52,218 LAURIE GOT A CALL BACK FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT 109 00:05:52,218 --> 00:05:58,425 >> AND THEY SAID, "OH, YES, YOUR BROTHER IS DEAD. 110 00:05:58,425 --> 00:06:00,694 >> Reporter: WOW >> I -- I THINK I STOPPED 111 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:02,862 BREATHING 'CAUSE I JUST -- I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. 112 00:06:02,862 --> 00:06:03,797 >> Reporter: DID YOU SAY, "HOW, WHY, WHERE?" 113 00:06:03,797 --> 00:06:04,330 I MEAN - >> YES 114 00:06:04,330 --> 00:06:09,536 >> Reporter: THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS. 115 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:11,037 >> ALL OF THOSE. AND ALL THEY WOULD SAY IS, "HE 116 00:06:11,037 --> 00:06:12,872 WAS KILLED WITH TWO SHOTS TO THE TORSO. 117 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:14,374 >> Reporter: NOW IT'S MURDER >> YEAH. 118 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:17,510 NOW MY BROTHER HAS BEEN MURDERED 119 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:19,579 THINGS LIKE THAT JUST DON'T HAPPEN TO A PERSON 120 00:06:19,579 --> 00:06:24,918 BUT THEY WERE HAPPENING. I FELT LIKE THIS WAS A 121 00:06:24,918 --> 00:06:27,454 NIGHTMARE. >>> WHEN WE COME BACK -- 122 00:06:27,454 --> 00:06:32,058 WHO WOULD WANT TO KILL KEN JUEDES 123 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:33,159 INVESTIGATORS DIG IN >> Reporter: YOU'RE ACTIVELY 124 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:37,630 LOOKING FOR THE MURDER WEAPON IN THE HOUSE? 125 00:06:37,630 --> 00:06:41,101 >> YOU'RE TALKING, LIKE, A 105-ACRE FARM. 126 00:06:41,101 --> 00:06:42,168 SO THAT'S A LOT OF PROPERTY TO COVER. 127 00:06:42,168 --> 00:06:43,470 >> Reporter: ANY SECURITY CAMERA, SECURITY SYSTEM? 128 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:45,572 >> THEY DID HAVE A CAMERA ON THE GARAGE 129 00:06:45,572 --> 00:07:05,258 >> WHAT WOULD THE FIRST CLUES >> Reporter: PHARMACIST AND 130 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:09,529 FARMER KEN JUEDES HAD BEEN SHOT TO DEATH IN HIS BED. 131 00:07:09,529 --> 00:07:12,665 DETECTIVES AND CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATORS WERE SEARCHING 132 00:07:12,665 --> 00:07:17,203 DILL CREEK FARM. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAID KEN 133 00:07:17,203 --> 00:07:21,608 HAD BEEN KILLED WITH A SHOTGUN YOU'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR THE 134 00:07:21,608 --> 00:07:25,445 MURDER WEAPON IN THE HOUSE >> NOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING, 135 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:26,646 LIKE, A 105 ACRE FARM. SO THAT'S A LOT OF PROPERTY TO 136 00:07:26,646 --> 00:07:32,318 COVER. >> Reporter: AND HE HAS A LOT OF 137 00:07:32,318 --> 00:07:35,388 GUNS >> HE'S GOT A LOT OF GUNS. 138 00:07:35,388 --> 00:07:36,556 >> Reporter: 'CAUSE HE'S A HUNTER 139 00:07:36,556 --> 00:07:37,691 >> YES >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES 140 00:07:37,691 --> 00:07:38,892 CHECKED TO SEE IF ANY OF THE DOZEN OR SO RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS 141 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:44,197 KEN OWNED WERE USED IN THE MURDER 142 00:07:44,197 --> 00:07:46,666 >> WE DID AN INSPECTION OF THEM. THERE WAS DUST ON THEM, NO 143 00:07:46,666 --> 00:07:48,134 EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAD BEEN RECENTLY HANDLED OR ANYTHING 144 00:07:48,134 --> 00:07:50,203 LIKE THAT. >> Reporter: ANY SECURITY 145 00:07:50,203 --> 00:07:54,607 CAMERA, SECURITY SYSTEM? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION 146 00:07:54,607 --> 00:07:58,645 'CAUSE THEY DID HAVE A CAMERA ON THE GARAGE WHICH WOULD BE FACING 147 00:07:58,645 --> 00:08:00,080 THE DRIVEWAY, AND I THINK ONE TOWARDS THE -- THE BACK OF THE 148 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,181 HOUSE. >> Reporter: DID THE CAMERAS 149 00:08:01,181 --> 00:08:02,515 PICK ANYTHING UP, ANYTHING UNUSUAL, ANY - 150 00:08:02,515 --> 00:08:03,516 ANYBODY WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE, SUSPECTS? 151 00:08:03,516 --> 00:08:05,452 >> NO. WE LOOKED AT IT. 152 00:08:05,452 --> 00:08:09,723 THERE WAS NO FOOTAGE OF THAT NIGHT. 153 00:08:09,723 --> 00:08:13,693 >> Reporter: AS INVESTIGATORS WORKED AND DAY TURNED TO NIGHT, 154 00:08:13,693 --> 00:08:17,697 THERE WAS STILL ONE IMPORTANT PERSON WHO HAD NO IDEA KEN WAS 155 00:08:17,697 --> 00:08:21,935 DEAD HIS MOTHER, MARGARET 156 00:08:21,935 --> 00:08:23,737 SHE'D SEEN KEN JUST THE DAY BEFORE WHEN HE DROPPED BY TO MOW 157 00:08:23,737 --> 00:08:27,640 THE LAWN AND TAKE HER TO VISIT HIS FATHER AT A NEARBY NURSING 158 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,176 HOME >> HE CAME TO SAY GOODBYE, AND, 159 00:08:30,176 --> 00:08:34,481 WELL, I NEVER WILL FORGET IS HE SAID, "YOU ARE THE BEST PARENTS 160 00:08:34,481 --> 00:08:37,884 A GUY COULD HAVE." >> Reporter: 12 HOURS AFTER 161 00:08:37,884 --> 00:08:42,422 KEN'S BLOODIED BODY HAD BEEN FOUND, A PASTOR AND TWO POLICE 162 00:08:42,422 --> 00:08:45,058 OFFICERS KNOCKED ON HER DOOR >> SO THEY CAME IN, AND THAT'S 163 00:08:45,058 --> 00:08:53,466 WHEN THEY TOLD ME THAT KEN HAD BEEN MURDERED. 164 00:08:53,466 --> 00:08:54,701 >> Reporter: KEN'S KID SISTER LAURIE AND YOUNGER BROTHER DON, 165 00:08:54,701 --> 00:08:57,170 WHO BOTH LIVED OUT OF STATE, RUSHED HOME TO BE WITH THEIR 166 00:08:57,170 --> 00:09:00,240 MOM. HOW WAS YOUR MOM DOING WHEN YOU 167 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,111 GET TO HER IN WISCONSIN? >> SHE IS MADE OUT OF SOME 168 00:09:05,111 --> 00:09:08,782 STRONG STUFF BUT SHE -- IT TOTALLY DESTROYED 169 00:09:08,782 --> 00:09:12,719 HER. >> SHE HAD TO GO UP AND INFORM 170 00:09:12,719 --> 00:09:16,189 MY FATHER, WHO WAS IN A NURSING HOME, THAT HIS OLDEST SON HAD 171 00:09:16,189 --> 00:09:25,598 BEEN -- JUST BEEN MURDERED AND THAT HAD TO BE TOUGH ALSO. 172 00:09:25,598 --> 00:09:28,134 >> Reporter: LAURIE SAYS KEN WAS HER MOM'S FAVORITE, ALTHOUGH SHE 173 00:09:28,134 --> 00:09:30,437 PROBABLY WOULDN'T ADMIT IT A STAND OUT ATHLETE IN HIGH 174 00:09:30,437 --> 00:09:33,540 SCHOOL LETTERING IN FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL, HE'D SCORED TOP 175 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:37,544 GRADES AND WORKED A PART TIME JOB AT McDONALD'S. 176 00:09:37,544 --> 00:09:40,814 >> AND ON TOP OF THAT, HAD A VERY GOOD PARTY LIFE 177 00:09:40,814 --> 00:09:42,649 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DID THAT. >> Reporter: HOW DID HE DO ALL 178 00:09:42,649 --> 00:09:46,052 THIS >> IN 24 HOURS IN A DAY. 179 00:09:46,052 --> 00:09:51,191 HE JUST DIDN'T STOP. HE WAS JUST FUN. 180 00:09:51,191 --> 00:09:54,928 WHEN YOU WERE AROUND HIM, YOU FELT WARM JUST BECAUSE HE HAD SO 181 00:09:54,928 --> 00:09:58,865 MUCH ENERGY. >> Reporter: LAURIE SAYS KEN 182 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:02,869 POWERED THROUGH COLLEGE TOO, THE FIRST IN HIS FAMILY TO GRADUATE. 183 00:10:02,869 --> 00:10:06,272 HE TRAINED TO BE A PHARMACIST. >> THAT WAS BEYOND ANYTHING MY 184 00:10:06,272 --> 00:10:08,541 PARENTS EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE. >> Reporter: THEY MUST'VE BEEN 185 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:16,483 SO PROUD OF KEN. >> MY MOTHER JUST REVERED HIM. 186 00:10:16,483 --> 00:10:20,487 HE WAS LIKE THE SHINING STAR >> Reporter: AND KEN ADORED HER. 187 00:10:20,487 --> 00:10:22,789 HE'D DROP BY AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK TO HELP WITH CHORES AND TO 188 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:24,758 HUG HIS MOTHER >> HE WOULD COME RIGHT UP TO HER 189 00:10:24,758 --> 00:10:28,728 AND WRAP HIS ARMS AROUND HER, GIVE HER A BIG OLD BEAR HUG, AND 190 00:10:28,728 --> 00:10:30,730 LIFT HER UP OFF THE GROUND >> Reporter: HE BOUGHT AN OLD 191 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:34,401 FARM NEARBY. THAT'S WHERE HE PROPOSED TO HIS 192 00:10:34,401 --> 00:10:37,604 FIRST WIFE, BETTY. >> IT WAS ACTUALLY, "YA THINK 193 00:10:37,604 --> 00:10:39,839 YOU WANNA LIVE HERE WITH ME AND DO THIS TOGETHER?" 194 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:43,810 AND, I MEAN, THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL 195 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:45,078 >> Reporter: TOGETHER THEY FIXED UP THE FARM, TURNING IT INTO THE 196 00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:52,519 PERFECT PLACE TO RAISE THEIR FOUR KIDS. 197 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:54,621 >> WHEN IT CAME MAPLE SYRUP TIME IN THE SPRING, THEY WERE OUT 198 00:10:54,621 --> 00:11:00,060 THERE WITH HIM COLLECTING THE SAP. 199 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:01,461 THEY WERE PROPPED UP ON THE BACKS OF THE HORSES. 200 00:11:01,461 --> 00:11:05,699 THEY GOT TO RIDE IN THE PARADES THAT THE HORSES WERE PULLING THE 201 00:11:05,699 --> 00:11:06,866 WAGONS IN. >> Reporter: SOUNDS LIKE YOU 202 00:11:06,866 --> 00:11:08,568 WERE A HAPPY FAMILY. >> WE WERE 203 00:11:08,568 --> 00:11:15,241 WE WERE. UNTIL THINGS CHANGED 204 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:16,543 >> Reporter: THEY'D BEEN MARRIED ABOUT 20 YEARS WHEN BETTY SAYS 205 00:11:16,543 --> 00:11:19,646 SHE NOTICED KEN GROWING INCREASINGLY RESTLESS. 206 00:11:19,646 --> 00:11:22,816 DO YOU THINK FOR YOU TWO IT WAS LESS ABOUT DISAGREEMENTS OR 207 00:11:22,816 --> 00:11:26,753 FIGHTING, MORE ABOUT JUST KIND OF YOU DRIFTING APART? 208 00:11:26,753 --> 00:11:28,154 >> I BELIEVE SO. IT WAS JUST GROWING APART IN OUR 209 00:11:28,154 --> 00:11:31,591 INTERESTS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE 210 00:11:31,591 --> 00:11:37,597 >> Reporter: IN 1998, HE ASKED HER FOR A DIVORCE. 211 00:11:37,597 --> 00:11:42,402 KEN KEPT THE FARM AND THEY SHARED CUSTODY OF THE KIDS 212 00:11:42,402 --> 00:11:45,105 HE STARTED DATING AGAIN, AND A FEW YEARS LATER, HE INTRODUCED 213 00:11:45,105 --> 00:11:48,675 THE FAMILY TO CINDY SCHULZ, HIS NEW GIRLFRIEND 214 00:11:48,675 --> 00:11:56,282 >> SHE DID SEEM QUITE FRIENDLY, QUITE NICE 215 00:11:56,282 --> 00:11:57,117 >> Reporter: KEN'S MOM LIKED HER TOO. 216 00:11:57,117 --> 00:11:58,218 >> YOU KNOW, SHE WOULD HELP ME SHE'D HAVE THE WHOLE HOUSE 217 00:11:58,218 --> 00:11:59,753 CLEANED. >> Reporter: WOW 218 00:11:59,753 --> 00:12:02,055 >> AND JUST REALLY NICE. >> I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE IT AS ONE 219 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:04,624 THING. THEY WERE IN LOVE. 220 00:12:04,624 --> 00:12:11,765 >> Reporter: PAM EWER IS CINDY'S YOUNGER SISTER 221 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:12,899 I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT KEN AND CINDY HAD MAJOR 222 00:12:12,899 --> 00:12:14,067 CHEMISTRY WITH EACH OTHER. >> RIGHT 223 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:19,105 YOU -- YOU COULD SEE IT WHEN THEY WALKED INTO THE ROOM. 224 00:12:19,105 --> 00:12:23,943 THEY WERE ARM IN ARM, HAND IN HAND, HIS ARM AROUND HER NECK, 225 00:12:23,943 --> 00:12:26,246 HERS AROUND HIS SHOULDER PEOPLE SAID NOBODY COULD BE THAT 226 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:27,947 HAPPY. >> Reporter: IN 2004, CINDY 227 00:12:27,947 --> 00:12:31,184 MOVED TO THE FARM. AND THEY GOT MARRIED A FEW 228 00:12:31,184 --> 00:12:32,452 MONTHS LATER >> IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT CINDY 229 00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:33,920 LOOKED LIKE. IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT SHE WAS 230 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,624 WEARING. THAT WAS HIS BEAUTIFUL 231 00:12:37,624 --> 00:12:38,758 AND THAT'S WHAT HE CALLED HER. >> Reporter: THAT WAS HIS 232 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:41,695 NICKNAME FOR HER >> BEAUTIFUL 233 00:12:41,695 --> 00:12:44,130 >> HI, BEAUTIFUL I WASN'T GOING TO CALL - 234 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:45,799 >> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT HE CALLED CINDY IN A MESSAGE HE 235 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:52,872 LEFT HER A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE MURDER 236 00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:54,974 >> I'LL BE HERE UNTIL 6:30 OKAY 237 00:12:54,974 --> 00:12:55,742 BYE. >> Reporter: SO WHAT HAD KEN'S 238 00:12:55,742 --> 00:13:00,046 BEAUTIFUL SEEN THAT NIGHT AT THE FARMHOUSE? 239 00:13:00,046 --> 00:13:05,352 >>> COMING UP -- >> I OPENED UP THE DOOR. 240 00:13:05,352 --> 00:13:06,820 AND THEN I SAW HIM >> CINDY RECOUNTS THAT AWFUL 241 00:13:06,820 --> 00:13:09,956 MORNING. BUT WAS SHE THE ONE NOW IN 242 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:14,794 DANGER >> THEY SAID THERE WAS A PIECE 243 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:16,062 OF PAPER ON THE BED WITH A KNIFE THROUGH IT THAT SAID, "BITCH." 244 00:13:16,062 --> 00:13:18,498 >> Reporter: DID YOU THINK THAT WAS FOR CINDY? 245 00:13:18,498 --> 00:13:39,619 >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS 246 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:41,221 NEEDED TO TALK TO THE WIFE OF MURDER VICTIM KEN JUEDES 247 00:13:41,221 --> 00:13:48,328 SHE WAS THE ONE WHO HAD FOUND HIM LYING ON THE BED IN A POOL 248 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:49,763 OF BLOOD SHE WAS THE ONE WHO HAD MADE 249 00:13:49,763 --> 00:13:50,764 THOSE FRANTIC 911 CALLS FROM HER NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE 250 00:13:50,764 --> 00:13:54,868 THAT'S WHERE DETECTIVES WENT TO INTERVIEW HER IN THE HOURS AFTER 251 00:13:54,868 --> 00:13:56,102 KEN'S BODY WAS FOUND >> THESE TWO GENTLEMEN WOULD 252 00:13:56,102 --> 00:13:59,506 LIKE TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS. >> WHERE IS MY HUSBAND 253 00:13:59,506 --> 00:14:02,275 >> Reporter: CINDY DIDN'T SEEM TO KNOW YET THAT HER HUSBAND WAS 254 00:14:02,275 --> 00:14:05,111 DEAD OR WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> THEY HAVEN'T GONE IN TO TAKE 255 00:14:05,111 --> 00:14:08,548 CARE OF HIM? >> Reporter: BEFORE BREAKING THE 256 00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:10,250 NEWS THAT KEN WAS GONE, DETECTIVES ASKED CINDY TO GO 257 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:15,655 BACK TO THE BEGINNING, TO TELL THEM EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT 258 00:14:15,655 --> 00:14:18,858 MORNING. SHE TOLD THEM SHE HADN'T SLEPT 259 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:20,193 IN THE HOUSE THE NIGHT BEFORE. >> I'VE HAD A HEADACHE 260 00:14:20,193 --> 00:14:25,598 THIS'LL BE GOING ON MY THIRD WEEK 261 00:14:25,598 --> 00:14:30,270 >> Reporter: CINDY SAID SHE'D BEEN STRUGGLING TO SLEEP FOR 262 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:31,404 DAYS, PLAGUED BY MIGRAINES SHE SAID SHE WAS STILL GROGGY 263 00:14:31,404 --> 00:14:35,542 FROM HER MEDICATION AS SHE WAS TALKING TO THEM. 264 00:14:35,542 --> 00:14:38,978 >> I'VE TRIED TO REST IN THE HOUSE BUT THE PHONE RINGS ALL 265 00:14:38,978 --> 00:14:47,253 THE TIME WHEN HE'S ON CALL, EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 266 00:14:47,253 --> 00:14:54,227 >> OKAY. >> SO TWO NIGHTS AGO HE SAID, 267 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:55,428 "WHY DON'T YOU TRY RESTING DOWN IN THE DUCKLING SO YOU DON'T 268 00:14:55,428 --> 00:14:58,331 HEAR THE PHONE?" >> Reporter: THE DUCKLING WAS 269 00:14:58,331 --> 00:15:00,266 WHAT KEN AND CINDY CALLED A CAMPER THEY PARKED IN THE 270 00:15:00,266 --> 00:15:04,137 BACKYARD, THEIR SPECIAL PLACE TO RELAX. 271 00:15:04,137 --> 00:15:08,775 WITH THE HELP OF SOME SLEEP MEDICATION, CINDY SAID SHE'D 272 00:15:08,775 --> 00:15:10,543 SLEPT SOUNDLY THERE ALL NIGHT. SHE SAID SHE KNEW SOMETHING WAS 273 00:15:10,543 --> 00:15:14,047 WRONG WHEN SHE WENT INTO THE HOUSE THE NEXT MORNING AND SAW 274 00:15:14,047 --> 00:15:16,249 KEN HADN'T MADE COFFEE HIS CAR WAS STILL IN THE 275 00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:18,818 DRIVEWAY SHE REALIZED HE HADN'T LEFT FOR 276 00:15:18,818 --> 00:15:25,358 WORK >> SO THEN I WENT INTO THE 277 00:15:25,358 --> 00:15:33,933 BATHROOM AND OPENED UP THE DOOR. AND THEN I SAW HIM 278 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,436 AND HE WAS A VERY WEIRD COLOR. AND I SAID, "KENNY." 279 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:47,247 AND THEN ALLS I COULD HEAR IS SCREAMING. 280 00:15:47,247 --> 00:15:49,816 AND I WENT TO THE PHONE BY THE BED AND TO DIAL 911, AND THE 281 00:15:49,816 --> 00:15:53,520 PHONE WOULDN'T WORK. AND THEN I WENT TO THE KITCHEN 282 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,358 PHONE, AND ALLS I COULD HEAR WAS SCREAMING. 283 00:15:58,358 --> 00:16:01,494 >> Reporter: CINDY SAID SHE WAS IN SHOCK AND LATER REALIZED SHE 284 00:16:01,494 --> 00:16:08,601 WAS THE ONE SCREAMING. >> I SHOULD'VE GAVE HIM CPR. 285 00:16:08,601 --> 00:16:13,707 I WENT DOWN THE ROAD TO GET A PHONE, TO GET SOMEBODY TO CALL 286 00:16:13,707 --> 00:16:15,709 AN AMBULANCE >> Reporter: CINDY, STILL AT HER 287 00:16:15,709 --> 00:16:23,717 NEIGHBOR MARIAN'S HOUSE, ASKED DETECTIVES HOW HER HUSBAND WAS 288 00:16:23,717 --> 00:16:27,287 DOING. >> WELL, CINDY, WHAT I'M GOING 289 00:16:27,287 --> 00:16:31,424 TO TELL YOU IS GOING TO BE TOUGH, BUT KENNY IS DEAD 290 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:36,329 >> OH, MARIAN. >> I KNOW. 291 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,064 >> OH. >> I GOT A PHONE CALL AT A 292 00:16:38,064 --> 00:16:41,067 QUARTER AFTER 10:00. AND AN OFFICER SAID -- TOLD ME 293 00:16:41,067 --> 00:16:44,304 THAT KEN HAD PASSED AND THAT MY SISTER NEEDED ME 294 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:46,873 >> Reporter: CINDY'S SISTER PAM WENT TO PICK HER UP AT THE 295 00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:53,413 NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE >> SHE WAS SITTING IN A 296 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:55,415 RECLINER, AND THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN DESCRIBE -- SHE 297 00:16:55,415 --> 00:17:02,022 LOOKED HOLLOW. I HAD NEVER SEEN HER LOOK LIKE 298 00:17:02,022 --> 00:17:05,925 THAT EVER, YOU KNOW. AND I SAID, "CIN, WHAT 299 00:17:05,925 --> 00:17:08,828 HAPPENED?" AND SHE SAID TO ME, "THEY 300 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:11,064 BUTCHERED MY KENNY." >> Reporter: DID YOU HAVE 301 00:17:11,064 --> 00:17:12,232 QUESTIONS? LIKE, "WHO'S THEY, AND WHAT DO 302 00:17:12,232 --> 00:17:14,467 YOU MEAN BUTCHERED?" AND -- 303 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:16,503 >> OH, OH, I -- OH, I HAD -- I HAD TONS OF QUESTIONS. 304 00:17:16,503 --> 00:17:20,240 >> Reporter: THE NEXT DAY, SHE HAD EVEN MORE QUESTIONS. 305 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,576 WHEN PAM ASKED DETECTIVES IF CINDY COULD STOP BY THE 306 00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:26,413 FARMHOUSE, SHE SAYS THEY TOLD HER ABOUT THAT NOTE LEFT ON 307 00:17:26,413 --> 00:17:29,049 CINDY'S SIDE OF THE BED. DID YOU THINK THAT WAS FOR 308 00:17:29,049 --> 00:17:33,553 CINDY? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. 309 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:37,223 I BELIEVE THEY CAME IN THERE TO KILL MY SISTER, 100% 310 00:17:37,223 --> 00:17:39,926 THEY CAME IN THERE TO KILL MY SISTER AND THEY DIDN'T FIND HER. 311 00:17:39,926 --> 00:17:44,631 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS AGREED THAT THE MURDER SEEMED 312 00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:47,167 LIKE A TARGETED KILLING. >> WHEN YOU HAVE AN ARMED 313 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:50,303 ROBBERY OR AN UNKNOWN SUSPECT ENTERING A HOME, THERE'S BROKEN 314 00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:51,971 WINDOWS. THERE'S BUSTED OPEN DOORS. 315 00:17:51,971 --> 00:17:57,711 AND THERE WAS NONE OF THAT AT THIS SCENE 316 00:17:57,711 --> 00:18:00,814 >> Reporter: SO THEY BEGAN LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO 317 00:18:00,814 --> 00:18:04,017 THE COUPLE, THOSE WITH ACCESS TO THE FARMHOUSE. 318 00:18:04,017 --> 00:18:07,721 IT TURNED OUT THERE WERE QUITE A FEW, STARTING WITH A HANDFUL OF 319 00:18:07,721 --> 00:18:09,656 TEENAGERS. CINDY WAS LICENSED TO TAKE CARE 320 00:18:09,656 --> 00:18:12,726 OF FOSTER KIDS WHO HAD BEEN IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW 321 00:18:12,726 --> 00:18:19,866 SHE AND KEN HAD TAKEN IN HALF A DOZEN BOYS OVER THE YEARS. 322 00:18:19,866 --> 00:18:21,034 SOME OF THESE KIDS WERE HIGH RISK 323 00:18:21,034 --> 00:18:22,235 >> YES >> Reporter: WITH VIOLENT PASTS? 324 00:18:22,235 --> 00:18:25,872 >> VIOLENT PASTS DIFFICULT FOR THE PARENTS TO 325 00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:27,574 CONTROL. >> Reporter: DETECTIVE McCARTHY 326 00:18:27,574 --> 00:18:33,847 REMEMBERED INTERVIEWING KEN AND CINDY ABOUT ONE OF THE FOSTER 327 00:18:33,847 --> 00:18:36,116 KIDS JUST THE YEAR BEFORE. >> I WAS CALLED TO RESPOND TO 328 00:18:36,116 --> 00:18:37,317 ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT >> Reporter: DETECTIVES QUICKLY 329 00:18:37,317 --> 00:18:44,057 LEARNED THERE HAD BEEN OTHER INCIDENTS. 330 00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:45,258 ONE OF THE FOSTER KIDS HAD GOTTEN IN TROUBLE FOR TAKING A 331 00:18:45,258 --> 00:18:46,192 KNIFE TO SCHOOL. CINDY SAID ANOTHER BOY MADE 332 00:18:46,192 --> 00:18:51,364 THREATS AGAINST HER. YOU REALLY HAD TO LOOK AT THESE 333 00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:56,870 TEENAGE BOYS >> OH, YEAH. 334 00:18:56,870 --> 00:19:01,708 >> WE TRAVELED TO GO GET THE BACKGROUNDS OF THESE TROUBLED 335 00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:03,410 YOUTH AND TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S SIMILARITIES IN THE CRIMES THAT 336 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:04,844 THEY ALREADY COMMITTED TO THE CRIME WE WERE INVESTIGATING. 337 00:19:04,844 --> 00:19:06,579 >> Reporter: DETECTIVES HAD BARELY STARTED TRACKING DOWN THE 338 00:19:06,579 --> 00:19:09,115 FOSTER KIDS WHEN CINDY TOLD THEM ABOUT AN EVEN MORE DISTURBING 339 00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:12,519 SUSPICION. SHE SAID THEY SHOULD TAKE A LOOK 340 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:20,193 AT ANOTHER KID, SOMEONE EVEN CLOSER TO KEN. 341 00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:21,561 >>> COMING UP -- >> Reporter: THE POLICE 342 00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:23,396 INTERVIEW YOUR CHILDREN. >> OH, YES 343 00:19:23,396 --> 00:19:24,664 >> Reporter: TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THEY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 344 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:27,033 IT >> YES 345 00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:31,871 >> Reporter: SEEMS LIKE NONE OF THE KIDS LIKED CINDY 346 00:19:31,871 --> 00:19:48,722 >> THERE WAS A WEDGE THERE AND JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT AT 347 00:19:48,722 --> 00:19:52,492 >> Reporter: TUCKED AWAY IN THE HEART OF WISCONSIN FARM COUNTRY 348 00:19:52,492 --> 00:19:57,530 WAS DILL CREEK FARM, KEN JUEDES' HAVEN. 349 00:19:57,530 --> 00:20:01,234 HIS SPECIAL PLACE. AFTER CINDY MOVED IN, THEY 350 00:20:01,234 --> 00:20:04,104 DECIDED TO SHARE IT WITH A GROUP OF FOSTER KIDS, SOME OF THEM 351 00:20:04,104 --> 00:20:07,207 WITH VIOLENT PASTS CINDY HAD BEEN A PROFESSIONAL 352 00:20:07,207 --> 00:20:09,476 CAREGIVER MOST OF HER LIFE BEFORE SHE MET KEN, SHE RAN A 353 00:20:09,476 --> 00:20:14,047 GROUP HOME FOR ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES 354 00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:15,715 WHAT WAS IT ABOUT CINDY'S PERSONALITY THAT WAS A GOOD FIT 355 00:20:15,715 --> 00:20:20,854 WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO NEEDED HELP? 356 00:20:20,854 --> 00:20:22,022 >> JUST A CARETAKER. SHE WAS JUST A GOOD CARETAKER, 357 00:20:22,022 --> 00:20:24,557 YOU KNOW WASN'T -- WASN'T IN IT FOR THE 358 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:28,261 MONEY BUT WAS IN IT TO MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER 359 00:20:28,261 --> 00:20:29,696 >> Reporter: NOW THAT KEN WAS DEAD, INVESTIGATORS WONDERED IF 360 00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:36,236 THAT KINDNESS HAD COME AT A TERRIBLE COST. 361 00:20:36,236 --> 00:20:38,104 COULD ONE OF THE COUPLE'S FOSTER CHILDREN BE KEN'S KILLER 362 00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:39,305 WERE ANY OF THE TEENAGE BOYS LIVING IN THE HOUSE AT THE TIME? 363 00:20:39,305 --> 00:20:41,341 >> YES BUT THEY WEREN'T THERE THAT 364 00:20:41,341 --> 00:20:42,776 EVENING. >> Reporter: WHERE WERE THEY 365 00:20:42,776 --> 00:20:45,378 >> ONE WAS IN A TREATMENT FACILITY 366 00:20:45,378 --> 00:20:46,479 ANOTHER ONE WAS IN A SECURE DETENTION. 367 00:20:46,479 --> 00:20:52,152 >> Reporter: WERE THEY REALLY IN THESE PLACES 368 00:20:52,152 --> 00:20:54,154 >> YES >> EVERYTHING CHECKED OUT WITH 369 00:20:54,154 --> 00:20:56,956 THEM >> Reporter: PAM SAYS THAT 370 00:20:56,956 --> 00:20:57,791 DIDN'T MAKE HER SISTER FEEL ANY BETTER 371 00:20:57,791 --> 00:21:02,696 SHE SAYS CINDY WAS CONVINCED WHOEVER KILLED KEN COULD COME 372 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:07,067 FOR HER NEXT SHE INSTALLED A BRAND-NEW ALARM 373 00:21:07,067 --> 00:21:08,168 SYSTEM AT THE FARMHOUSE. >> AND I SAID, "CIN" -- I SAID, 374 00:21:08,168 --> 00:21:15,542 "WHY DON'T YOU COME AND STAY WITH ME? 375 00:21:15,542 --> 00:21:21,081 SHE SAID, "BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN DANGER." 376 00:21:21,081 --> 00:21:22,148 SHE SAID, "IF THEY KILL ME, I'LL BE WITH KEN. 377 00:21:22,148 --> 00:21:23,616 >> Reporter: DETECTIVES STOPPED BY A WEEK AFTER THE MURDER 378 00:21:23,616 --> 00:21:27,220 THEY NOTICED SOMETHING STRANGE >> THE PHOTOS OF KEN'S 379 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:30,290 BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN WERE TAKEN OFF THE WALL 380 00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:35,962 AND CINDY'S SISTER MADE THE COMMENT TO ME, "YEAH, CINDY TOOK 381 00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:39,466 THEM DOWN, AND SHE ACTUALLY SPIT ON THEM AND THREW THEM IN THE 382 00:21:39,466 --> 00:21:40,467 CORNER." >> Reporter: WHY WOULD SHE DO 383 00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:43,536 THAT REMEMBER THAT NOTE LEFT ON THE 384 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:46,406 PILLOW NEXT TO HER DEAD HUSBAND? >> SHE WENT, YOU KNOW, "THAT'S 385 00:21:46,406 --> 00:21:48,108 WHAT THE KIDS CALLED ME WAS 'THE BITCH. 386 00:21:48,108 --> 00:21:49,909 I WAS 'THE BITCH'. >> Reporter: CINDY'S THINKING 387 00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:53,513 MAYBE THE -- ONE OF THE KIDS DID IT 388 00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:58,918 >> YES, YES. >> Reporter: AT THE TIME OF HIS 389 00:21:58,918 --> 00:22:01,755 MURDER, KEN'S FOUR CHILDREN FROM HIS FIRST MARRIAGE RANGED IN AGE 390 00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:06,059 FROM 23 TO 16. ALEX WAS THE YOUNGEST. 391 00:22:06,059 --> 00:22:14,668 SPECIFICALLY SHE'S THINKING ALEX 392 00:22:14,668 --> 00:22:18,538 >> SHE -- SHE -- SHE DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 393 00:22:18,538 --> 00:22:21,408 THIS IS A 16-YEAR-OLD KID. YOU KNOW, SHE DON'T WANT TO 394 00:22:21,408 --> 00:22:25,345 THINK THAT BUT IT'S POSSIBLE. 395 00:22:25,345 --> 00:22:26,446 >> Reporter: CINDY TOLD DETECTIVES THAT ALEX WAS ANGRY 396 00:22:26,446 --> 00:22:28,214 AT HIS DAD ABOUT THE DIVORCE SHE SAID HE'D TOLD SOMEONE AT 397 00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:29,616 HIS HIGH SCHOOL THAT HE HATED HER AND KEN SO MUCH HE COULD 398 00:22:29,616 --> 00:22:33,086 KILL THEM. AND THERE WAS MORE 399 00:22:33,086 --> 00:22:37,624 CINDY SAID THAT HE HAD STOLE A GUN. 400 00:22:37,624 --> 00:22:39,292 >> SHE SAYS THAT ALEX WAS, LIKE, TAKING AMMUNITION, SOME OF DAD'S 401 00:22:39,292 --> 00:22:45,265 AMMUNITION, OUT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN SHE TALKED ABOUT THE 402 00:22:45,265 --> 00:22:48,668 SHOTGUN OF HERS THAT WAS STOLEN. >> Reporter: DETECTIVES WERE ALL 403 00:22:48,668 --> 00:22:52,372 EARS AS CINDY LAID OUT HER SUSPICIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY 404 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,941 FOUND OUT THAT THE MISSING SHOTGUN WAS A 20-GAUGE. 405 00:22:54,941 --> 00:22:56,443 JUST LIKE THE MURDER WEAPON. DID YOU THINK ALEX COULD'VE LEFT 406 00:22:56,443 --> 00:23:02,515 THE "BITCH" NOTE ON CINDY'S PILLOW 407 00:23:02,515 --> 00:23:04,884 >> CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY AT THIS POINT 408 00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:08,054 >> Reporter: BUT THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST KEN'S KIDS DIDN'T STOP 409 00:23:08,054 --> 00:23:10,590 WITH ALEX. CINDY TOLD INVESTIGATORS ABOUT A 410 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:17,964 CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER ONE OF HIS SONS -- NOAH 411 00:23:17,964 --> 00:23:22,335 >> NOAH HAD A VEHICLE THAT WAS -- CINDY LET HIM TAKE DOWN 412 00:23:22,335 --> 00:23:25,438 TO COLLEGE IN FLORIDA. AND NOAH WAS TRYING TO GET THE 413 00:23:25,438 --> 00:23:28,575 TITLE AND THE REGISTRATION IN HIS NAME IN FLORIDA. 414 00:23:28,575 --> 00:23:32,545 BUT CINDY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND WAS VERY UPSET AND -- VERY UPSET 415 00:23:32,545 --> 00:23:38,151 WITH NOAH AND ARRANGED TO HAVE THE CAR REMOVED FROM FLORIDA 416 00:23:38,151 --> 00:23:39,919 >> Reporter: OH. SO THAT WAS PAYBACK FOR HIM 417 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:41,121 TRYING TO -- >> THAT'S A BIG -- 418 00:23:41,121 --> 00:23:42,088 >> Reporter: -- TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE VEHICLE 419 00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:43,089 >> RIGHT YES. 420 00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,625 >> Reporter: SEEMS LIKE NONE OF THE KIDS LIKED CINDY 421 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,894 >> I THINK INITIALLY, AT THE ONSET, WHEN -- WHEN THEY FIRST 422 00:23:47,894 --> 00:23:51,998 MET, I THINK THAT SHE DID HAVE, LIKE, A STRONGER CONNECTION WITH 423 00:23:51,998 --> 00:23:54,934 ALEX AT -- AT THAT POINT I THINK THAT 424 00:23:54,934 --> 00:24:02,676 DISSOLVED RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND THERE WAS A WEDGE THERE. 425 00:24:02,676 --> 00:24:05,311 AND JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT WEDGE WAS AND WHAT ARE THE 426 00:24:05,311 --> 00:24:09,616 UNDERLYING FACTORS WHY ARE WE AT THIS POINT 427 00:24:09,616 --> 00:24:10,884 >> Reporter: DETECTIVES WENT TO TALK TO KEN'S FIRST WIFE, BETTY, 428 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:11,718 AND THE KIDS THE POLICE INTERVIEW YOUR 429 00:24:11,718 --> 00:24:13,186 CHILDREN >> OH, YES 430 00:24:13,186 --> 00:24:14,754 >> Reporter: TRYING TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANYTHING TO DO THIS 431 00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:21,828 >> YES THEY CAME TO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE 432 00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:24,664 WHERE WE WERE STAYING, AND THEY SEPARATED THE KIDS 433 00:24:24,664 --> 00:24:31,504 ONE WENT OUTSIDE ON A PICNIC TABLE, ONE IN THE HOUSE IN 434 00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:34,341 VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, POSITIONS AND INTERVIEWED THEM ABOUT THE 435 00:24:34,341 --> 00:24:36,142 MURDER >> Reporter: CINDY TOLD PEOPLE 436 00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:37,777 THAT THE KIDS YOU SHARE WITH KEN WOULD SWEAR AT HER AND CALL HER 437 00:24:37,777 --> 00:24:43,183 A BITCH. HAD YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT 438 00:24:43,183 --> 00:24:47,153 THAT >> I DON'T KNOW MY KIDS TO TALK 439 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:50,857 LIKE THAT OR BE LIKE THAT. ALTHOUGH ALSO BEING TEENAGERS, 440 00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:56,262 AND IF THEY WERE UPSET OR ANGRY, THEY COULD HAVE. 441 00:24:56,262 --> 00:24:57,330 >> Reporter: THE POLICE ALSO HAD QUESTIONS FOR BETTY. 442 00:24:57,330 --> 00:25:04,037 TURNS OUT IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE MURDER, KEN AND BETTY WERE 443 00:25:04,037 --> 00:25:05,138 BACK IN FAMILY COURT FIGHTIN OVER MONEY AND CUSTODY OF ALEX 444 00:25:05,138 --> 00:25:08,208 CINDY TOLD POLICE THINGS GOT UGLY AFTER ONE PARTICULAR 445 00:25:08,208 --> 00:25:10,510 HEARING. CINDY MADE THE ACCUSATION THAT 446 00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:12,479 YOU SAID THAT EVERYONE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF KEN WAS DEAD 447 00:25:12,479 --> 00:25:15,949 >> SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING CINDY WOULD SAY. 448 00:25:15,949 --> 00:25:18,051 >> Reporter: YOU NEVER SAID THAT 449 00:25:18,051 --> 00:25:22,789 >> I NEVER SAID THAT >> Reporter: BUT DETECTIVES WERE 450 00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:25,125 ABOUT TO LEARN KEN HAD OTHER STRAINED RELATIONSHIPS 451 00:25:25,125 --> 00:25:32,132 THE INVESTIGATION WAS HEADED TO A PLACE CALLED MONSTER HALL. 452 00:25:32,132 --> 00:25:38,104 >>> COMING UP -- >> A SPORTY NEW INVESTMENT FOR 453 00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:40,674 KEN -- THE MONSTER HALL RACEWAY. BUT THE DEAL WITH A BUSINESS 454 00:25:40,674 --> 00:25:44,911 PARTNER WAS ABOUT TO VEER WAY OFF TRACK. 455 00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:48,915 >> HE TOLD PEOPLE IF KEN CONTINUED TO TRY AND TAKE AWAY 456 00:25:48,915 --> 00:26:11,037 HIS BUSINESS, HE WOULD KILL HIM. KEN JUEDES' MURDER, HIS CURRENT 457 00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:14,140 WIFE CINDY SUGGESTED INVESTIGATORS CHECK OUT HIS 458 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:17,544 EX-WIFE, BETTY SIX YEARS AFTER THE DIVORCE, THE 459 00:26:17,544 --> 00:26:22,949 EXES HAD BEEN CLASHING IN COURT. WHAT DID YOU TELL THEM WHEN THEY 460 00:26:22,949 --> 00:26:26,953 ASK YOU, "DID YOU KILL KEN?" >> NO, I DID NOT 461 00:26:26,953 --> 00:26:29,789 >> Reporter: DETECTIVES SAID THEY BELIEVED BETTY. 462 00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:35,729 BUT THEY STILL NEEDED TO CHECK OUT KEN'S CHILDREN, STARTING 463 00:26:35,729 --> 00:26:37,063 WITH 16-YEAR-OLD ALEX. BETTY SAID THE CONFLICT BETWEEN 464 00:26:37,063 --> 00:26:41,701 FATHER AND SON CAME TO A HEAD ABOUT TWO YEARS BEFORE THE 465 00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:49,109 MURDER >> I DROVE ALEX OUT TO HIS DAD'S 466 00:26:49,109 --> 00:26:50,810 PLACE FOR HIS WEEK THERE, AND WE WERE MET WITH TWO BIG, BLACK 467 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:56,516 GARBAGE BAGS SITTING ON THE PORCH. 468 00:26:56,516 --> 00:26:59,352 AND CINDY CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE AND SHE SAID, "ALEX, YOU'RE NO 469 00:26:59,352 --> 00:27:01,054 LONGER WELCOME HERE. SHE SAID, "I PACKED UP YOUR 470 00:27:01,054 --> 00:27:03,123 STUFF. YOU CAN GO AND LIVE WITH YOUR 471 00:27:03,123 --> 00:27:08,728 MOM. >> Reporter: WOW 472 00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:14,901 >> YEAH. THAT WAS A HUGE SHOCK TO ME, AND 473 00:27:14,901 --> 00:27:16,703 I CAN -- I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW ALEX FELT BECAUSE HE LOVED BEING 474 00:27:16,703 --> 00:27:20,407 OUT ON THE FARM. >> Reporter: BETTY SAYS ALEX WAS 475 00:27:20,407 --> 00:27:22,108 CONFUSED AND HURT. BUT THAT DIDN'T MAKE HIM A 476 00:27:22,108 --> 00:27:26,880 KILLER WAS ALEX CAPABLE OF KILLING HIS 477 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:34,921 OWN FATHER >> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 478 00:27:34,921 --> 00:27:38,058 HE LOVED HIS DAD SO MUCH >> Reporter: ALEX TOLD 479 00:27:38,058 --> 00:27:41,461 DETECTIVES HE DIDN'T STEAL THE SHOTGUN AND HE DIDN'T THREATEN 480 00:27:41,461 --> 00:27:43,163 TO KILL HIS DAD. HE SAID HE'D ALWAYS HOPED TO 481 00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:45,732 PATCH THINGS UP WITH HIS DAD ONE DAY. 482 00:27:45,732 --> 00:27:48,301 AND HE SAID HE HAD A STRONG ALIBI. 483 00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:53,406 HE WAS AT HIS MOM'S HOUSE THAT NIGHT WITH TWO OF HIS SIBLINGS 484 00:27:53,406 --> 00:27:57,944 >> AFTER ALL WAS SAID AND DONE WITH -- WITH SPEAKING WITH ALEX, 485 00:27:57,944 --> 00:28:00,213 BASED ON YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT ALEX 486 00:28:00,213 --> 00:28:05,919 WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED HIS FATHER 487 00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:08,755 >> Reporter: AS FOR KEN'S SON NOAH, WHO'D BEEN BATTLING CINDY 488 00:28:08,755 --> 00:28:13,893 AND HIS DAD OVER THAT CAR, DETECTIVES DETERMINED WHERE HE 489 00:28:13,893 --> 00:28:16,196 WAS THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER TOO. >> HE WAS IN MINNESOTA AND WE 490 00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:21,568 HAD ALIBIED HIM THAT NIGHT AS WELL 491 00:28:21,568 --> 00:28:24,237 >> Reporter: KEN'S SISTER LAURIE NEVER THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE THAT 492 00:28:24,237 --> 00:28:25,038 HIS CHILDREN WERE BEHIND THE MURDER 493 00:28:25,038 --> 00:28:27,640 SHE SAYS EVERYTHING JUST FELT SO SURREAL WITH HER BIG BROTHER 494 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,410 GONE >> HE WAS SO FULL OF LIFE, YOU 495 00:28:30,410 --> 00:28:33,046 KNOW HE WAS BIGGER THAN LIFE. 496 00:28:33,046 --> 00:28:36,649 HOW COULD HE NOT BE HERE ANYMORE? 497 00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:39,119 >> Reporter: AND FOR A SISTER WHO LIVED THOUSANDS OF MILES 498 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:42,922 AWAY, SHE REALIZED HOW LITTLE SHE KNEW ABOUT KEN'S LIFE. 499 00:28:42,922 --> 00:28:45,191 OF COURSE, HE WAS A PHARMACIST, AND HE WAS DEVOTED TO HIS FARM 500 00:28:45,191 --> 00:28:52,298 BUT HE WAS ALSO PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE 501 00:28:52,298 --> 00:28:56,836 KEN WAS PART OWNER OF A LOCAL RACETRACK. 502 00:28:56,836 --> 00:28:58,571 >> OH, HE LOVED IT HE WAS PLAYING "KEN AT THE 503 00:28:58,571 --> 00:29:01,775 TRACK," YEAH HE HAD HIS CAMPER SITTING RIGHT 504 00:29:01,775 --> 00:29:09,149 THERE, AND THERE WERE ALWAYS THINGS GOING ON AND PEOPLE 505 00:29:09,149 --> 00:29:12,786 WALKING BY AND SAYING HI AND STOPPING IN AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 506 00:29:12,786 --> 00:29:17,624 SO IT WAS HAPPY TIMES. >> Reporter: IT WAS CALLED 507 00:29:17,624 --> 00:29:18,758 MONSTER HALL RACEWAY, A NOD TO THE OLD '60s SITCOM 508 00:29:18,758 --> 00:29:19,893 "THE MUNSTERS. BUTCH PATRICK, THE ACTOR WHO 509 00:29:19,893 --> 00:29:21,594 PLAYED EDDIE MUNSTER, WOULD COME AND SIGN AUTOGRAPHS. 510 00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:25,865 BUT THE PHARMACIST'S FUN SIDE HUSTLE HAD QUICKLY TURNED INTO A 511 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:27,033 DISASTROUS MONEY PIT LAURIE SAID THE WORST PART FOR 512 00:29:27,033 --> 00:29:30,403 HER BROTHER WASN'T HIS OWN FINANCIAL LOSS 513 00:29:30,403 --> 00:29:35,842 IT WAS THAT HE'D ENCOURAGED HIS FRIEND AND FELLOW PHARMACIST, 514 00:29:35,842 --> 00:29:43,783 ED KOSTLEVY, TO INVEST TOO >> I THINK HE FELT A SENSE OF 515 00:29:43,783 --> 00:29:44,884 RESPONSIBILITY THAT HE HAD GOTTEN HIS FRIEND INTO THIS 516 00:29:44,884 --> 00:29:49,489 LOSING BUSINESS AND THAT HIS FRIEND WAS SUFFERING THE 517 00:29:49,489 --> 00:29:50,857 CONSEQUENCES AS WELL >> Reporter: CINDY'S SISTER PAM 518 00:29:50,857 --> 00:29:55,795 SAID THAT WASN'T THE ONLY STRAIN ON THE FRIENDSHIP. 519 00:29:55,795 --> 00:30:01,701 >> BEFORE CINDY MET KEN, KEN WENT TO VEGAS. 520 00:30:01,701 --> 00:30:05,405 KEN DID THE OLD LAP DANCES OR WHATEVER THEY DO OR WHATEVER 521 00:30:05,405 --> 00:30:09,943 THAT WAS KEN AND ED WAS HIS NUMBER ONE PERSON 522 00:30:09,943 --> 00:30:15,248 THAT HE DRUG AROUND. >> Reporter: BUT YOU SAY THAT 523 00:30:15,248 --> 00:30:18,485 ALL STOPPED WHEN HE MET CINDY. >> BECAUSE HE WASN'T GOING TO 524 00:30:18,485 --> 00:30:20,020 WRECK THIS RELATIONSHIP. >> Reporter: SO BYE-BYE, NAKED 525 00:30:20,020 --> 00:30:20,720 LADIES >> BYE-BYE, NAKED LADIES 526 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,322 AND ED WASN'T HAPPY. >> Reporter: HE LOST HIS PARTNER 527 00:30:22,322 --> 00:30:23,289 IN CRIME, SO TO SPEAK. >> YEP 528 00:30:23,289 --> 00:30:25,859 >> Reporter: POLICE TRACKED ED DOWN VERY EARLY IN THE 529 00:30:25,859 --> 00:30:32,132 INVESTIGATION. >> THERE WERE A LOT OF 530 00:30:32,132 --> 00:30:33,466 INTERVIEWS, ESPECIALLY AT FIRST. >> Reporter: DETECTIVES ASKED ED 531 00:30:33,466 --> 00:30:36,336 WHERE HE WAS THE NIGHT KEN WAS KILLED 532 00:30:36,336 --> 00:30:42,642 HE SAID HE WAS AT HOME WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND, AN EXOTIC DANCER 533 00:30:42,642 --> 00:30:49,215 HE'D MET YEARS BEFORE. A FRIEND OF HERS WAS THERE TOO 534 00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:50,450 >> THEY MOVED IN WITH ME ABOUT THE THURSDAY BEFORE IT HAPPENED. 535 00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:51,651 AND THEN AFTER THE MURDER, I HELPED THEM GET AN APARTMENT IN 536 00:30:51,651 --> 00:30:53,219 WAUSAU >> Reporter: ED SAID HIS 537 00:30:53,219 --> 00:30:56,890 FRIENDSHIP WITH KEN WAS SOLID AND HIS ALIBI SEEMED TO CHECK 538 00:30:56,890 --> 00:31:00,894 OUT. BUT DETECTIVES WEREN'T DONE 539 00:31:00,894 --> 00:31:02,328 INVESTIGATING MONSTER HALL RACEWAY. 540 00:31:02,328 --> 00:31:06,066 THEY HAD PLENTY OF QUESTIONS FOR THE OTHER PART-OWNER OF THE 541 00:31:06,066 --> 00:31:10,270 RACEWAY. HIS NAME WAS RANDALL LANDWEHR. 542 00:31:10,270 --> 00:31:19,112 >> WE FOUND OUT THAT BEING IN BUSINESS WITH HIM, HE WASN'T THE 543 00:31:19,112 --> 00:31:20,580 PERSON WE THOUGHT HE WAS >> Reporter: RANDALL OWNED THE 544 00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:21,748 CAMPGROUND NEXT TO THE RACETRACK. 545 00:31:21,748 --> 00:31:22,949 ED TOLD DETECTIVES HE HAD LIED TO HIM AND KEN ABOUT THE VALUE 546 00:31:22,949 --> 00:31:26,486 OF THE RACEWAY TO GET THEM TO INVEST 547 00:31:26,486 --> 00:31:32,225 THEY'D FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST HIM AND WERE HELPING POLICE 548 00:31:32,225 --> 00:31:34,461 INVESTIGATE HIM FOR FRAUD. SO HOW DID RANDALL TAKE ALL 549 00:31:34,461 --> 00:31:41,001 THIS, THAT THEY'RE COMING AT HIM TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET HIM IN 550 00:31:41,001 --> 00:31:43,837 TROUBLE AND DRIVE HIM OUT? >> I WAS TOLD THAT AT A TOWN 551 00:31:43,837 --> 00:31:50,310 HALL MEETING FOR THE TOWN THAT THIS -- THIS RACETRACK WAS IN, 552 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:55,648 RANDALL TOLD PEOPLE AT THIS MEETING IF KEN CONTINUED TO TRY 553 00:31:55,648 --> 00:31:57,984 AND TAKE AWAY HIS BUSINESS, HE WOULD KILL HIM 554 00:31:57,984 --> 00:32:05,458 >> Reporter: ED SAYS HE HEARD RANDALL THREATEN KEN TO HIS 555 00:32:05,458 --> 00:32:06,593 FACE IT HAPPENED AT THEIR REGULAR 556 00:32:06,593 --> 00:32:07,694 HANGOUT, THE BAR AT THE CAMPGROUND NEAR THE RACETRACK. 557 00:32:07,694 --> 00:32:17,704 >> AND I WAS STANDING IN BETWEEN THEM 558 00:32:17,704 --> 00:32:19,172 AND RANDALL KEPT REPEATING THAT HE WAS GOING TO KILL THIS -- 559 00:32:19,172 --> 00:32:20,340 I WAS SHOCKED. >> Reporter: DO YOU KNOW HOW KEN 560 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:21,174 RESPONDED TO THIS ALLEGED DEATH THREAT 561 00:32:21,174 --> 00:32:28,348 >> YES IT JUST MADE KEN MORE 562 00:32:28,348 --> 00:32:29,249 DETERMINED >> Reporter: MORE DETERMINED TO 563 00:32:29,249 --> 00:32:31,084 PUSH RANDALL OUT OF MONSTER HALL FOR GOOD 564 00:32:31,084 --> 00:32:35,422 BUT DETECTIVES WANTED TO KNOW -- HAD KEN PUSHED RANDALL TOO FAR 565 00:32:35,422 --> 00:32:41,327 THEY NEEDED TO TALK TO THE BUSINESS PARTNER RIGHT AWAY. 566 00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:43,830 >>> COMING UP -- >> Reporter: HE DOES HAVE A 567 00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:45,098 POSSIBLE MOTIVE. >> CERTAINLY NOT ONE TO CROSS 568 00:32:45,098 --> 00:32:46,733 OFF THE LIST >> THAT LIST OF POSSIBLE 569 00:32:46,733 --> 00:32:51,571 SUSPECTS WAS ABOUT TO GET LONGER 570 00:32:51,571 --> 00:32:53,606 >> "THEY FOUND A WILL. AND I SAID, "OH, MY GOSH, WHAT 571 00:32:53,606 --> 00:32:55,742 DOES THE WILL SAY? "CINDY GETS EVERYTHING." 572 00:33:13,626 --> 00:33:17,230 >> Reporter: LEADING UP TO HIS MURDER, KEN JUEDES HAD BEEN 573 00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:19,065 FEUDING WITH HIS BUSINESS PARTNER FROM MONSTER HALL 574 00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:21,568 RACEWAY, RANDALL LANDWEHR. HE'D BEEN HELPING POLICE 575 00:33:21,568 --> 00:33:26,973 INVESTIGATE RANDALL AND FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST HIM. 576 00:33:26,973 --> 00:33:31,544 >> RANDY HAD A REPUTATION AS BEING SOMEBODY WITH A HORRIBLE 577 00:33:31,544 --> 00:33:34,080 TEMPER IT WAS A VERY FLAMMABLE 578 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,752 SITUATION. >> Reporter: WHAT HAPPENED WHEN 579 00:33:38,752 --> 00:33:42,455 YOU WENT TO GO SEE RANDALL >> HE BASICALLY SAID, "I WANT TO 580 00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:44,958 MEET WITH AN ATTORNEY," WHICH WAS CERTAINLY HIS RIGHT. 581 00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:47,093 >> Reporter: WITH HIS ATTORNEY AT HIS SIDE A FEW DAYS LATER, 582 00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:48,928 RANDALL DENIED EVER THREATENING KEN AND TOLD POLICE THAT HE AND 583 00:33:48,928 --> 00:33:52,899 HIS NEPHEW WERE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER. 584 00:33:52,899 --> 00:33:54,834 >> I JUST DIDN'T THINK I HAD THE MURDERER AT THIS POINT 585 00:33:54,834 --> 00:33:57,170 >> Reporter: JUST INSTINCTS WERE TELLING YOU? 586 00:33:57,170 --> 00:33:58,304 >> YES >> Reporter: HE DOES HAVE A 587 00:33:58,304 --> 00:34:00,040 POSSIBLE MOTIVE. >> THERE'S A MOTIVE THERE. 588 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,708 THERE CERTAINLY IS AND CERTAINLY NOT ONE TO CROSS 589 00:34:01,708 --> 00:34:04,344 OFF THE LIST >> Reporter: BUT YOU PUT HIM ON 590 00:34:04,344 --> 00:34:05,145 THE BACK BURNER FOR NOW? >> YES 591 00:34:05,145 --> 00:34:08,548 >> Reporter: WHILE YOU CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE 592 00:34:08,548 --> 00:34:11,785 >> YES >> Reporter: AS MORE TIME WENT 593 00:34:11,785 --> 00:34:13,086 ON AND THE MURDER WENT UNSOLVED, PAM SAYS CINDY WAS LIVING IN 594 00:34:13,086 --> 00:34:17,223 FEAR SHE MADE PANICKED CALLS TO 595 00:34:17,223 --> 00:34:19,926 DETECTIVES AND 911 THERE WAS A STRANGE CAR IN HER 596 00:34:19,926 --> 00:34:21,361 DRIVEWAY SHE THOUGHT SOMEONE HAD OPENED 597 00:34:21,361 --> 00:34:25,065 HER DOORS. AND THOUGH IT TURNED OUT TO BE A 598 00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:28,768 FALSE ALARM, SHE ONCE REPORTED AN INTRUDER IN THE FARMHOUSE 599 00:34:28,768 --> 00:34:29,803 >> THIS IS THE MARATHON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT 600 00:34:29,803 --> 00:34:35,842 >> YES, GET A POLICE OFFICER HERE 601 00:34:35,842 --> 00:34:38,144 >> Reporter: HOW SCARED WERE YOU FOR YOUR SISTER? 602 00:34:38,144 --> 00:34:39,312 >> OH, I WAS TERRIFIED >> Reporter: KEN'S BROTHER DON 603 00:34:39,312 --> 00:34:40,747 SAYS HE HAD NO IDEA HOW CINDY WAS DOING AFTER KEN'S MURDER 604 00:34:40,747 --> 00:34:47,854 >> CINDY WAS NOT COMMUNICATIVE WITH US. 605 00:34:47,854 --> 00:34:50,190 I THINK I PLACED THREE CALLS TO HER AFTER KEN'S 606 00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:53,326 MURDER, AND SHE NEVER RETURNED ONE OF THEM. 607 00:34:53,326 --> 00:34:54,494 >> Reporter: LAURIE DIDN'T PARTICULARLY MISS HER. 608 00:34:54,494 --> 00:34:55,695 SHE SAYS SHE HADN'T LIKED CINDY FROM THEIR VERY FIRST PHONE 609 00:34:55,695 --> 00:34:58,732 CALL, BACK WHEN KEN AND CINDY WERE DATING. 610 00:34:58,732 --> 00:35:03,870 SHE SAYS CINDY LIED TO HER >> SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT 611 00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:07,273 KEN'S WEDDING EARLIER THAT SPRING TO HER IN LAS VEGAS 612 00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:09,909 >> Reporter: LAURIE KNEW CINDY AND HER BROTHER WEREN'T MARRIED 613 00:35:09,909 --> 00:35:13,847 YET, BUT SHE SAYS CINDY WENT ON AND ON ABOUT IT. 614 00:35:13,847 --> 00:35:17,851 >> IT WAS VERY ROMANTIC, AND KEN COULD BE VERY ROMANTIC 615 00:35:17,851 --> 00:35:24,057 AND I GUESS AS A LITTLE SISTER, I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT 616 00:35:24,057 --> 00:35:27,761 AND SO HERE I AM, TALKING TO THIS WOMAN ABOUT A WEDDING THAT 617 00:35:27,761 --> 00:35:28,795 I KNOW DIDN'T HAPPEN >> Reporter: DID YOU CALL HER 618 00:35:28,795 --> 00:35:31,464 OUT RIGHT THERE ON THE PHONE >> I DID 619 00:35:31,464 --> 00:35:33,166 >> Reporter: WOW, THIS IS -- THIS IS QUITE THE FIRST 620 00:35:33,166 --> 00:35:37,203 IMPRESSION >> BUT IT GETS EVEN WORSE THAN 621 00:35:37,203 --> 00:35:40,840 THAT SO UP TO THIS TIME, SHE WAS JUST 622 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,412 WARM AND BUTTERY "HI, I'M CINDY." 623 00:35:45,412 --> 00:35:49,949 HER VOICE WAS VERY SOFT AND MELLOW 624 00:35:49,949 --> 00:35:53,086 AS SOON AS I BROKE THAT NEWS TO HER, IT WAS LIKE I WAS TALKING 625 00:35:53,086 --> 00:35:58,692 TO A DIFFERENT PERSON. SHE WAS JUST ANGRY 626 00:35:58,692 --> 00:36:01,094 AND HER VOICE EVEN CHANGED >> Reporter: TWO YEARS LATER, 627 00:36:01,094 --> 00:36:05,298 LAURIE'S BROTHER WAS DEAD, HER MOTHER GRIEVING. 628 00:36:05,298 --> 00:36:10,170 AND NOT A WORD FROM CINDY TO ANYONE IN KEN'S FAMILY 629 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:13,039 LAURIE AND DON WERE SURPRISED TO FIND OUT CINDY HAD BEEN TALKING 630 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:17,844 TO THE TOWN FUNERAL DIRECTOR >> HE MENTIONED THAT MY 631 00:36:17,844 --> 00:36:20,513 BROTHER'S BODY WAS GOING TO BE CREMATED 632 00:36:20,513 --> 00:36:23,850 NOW, MY MOTHER IS VERY CATHOLIC. AND SHE ALREADY HAD A BURIAL 633 00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:28,121 PLOT SO SHE DIDN'T WANT HIM CREMATED. 634 00:36:28,121 --> 00:36:30,390 >> Reporter: IS IT POSSIBLE THAT KEN HAD TOLD CINDY THAT HE DID 635 00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:34,661 WANT TO BE CREMATED? >> I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS HIS 636 00:36:34,661 --> 00:36:39,766 WISHES OR NOT. BUT I KNEW IT CERTAINLY WASN'T 637 00:36:39,766 --> 00:36:42,902 MY MOTHER'S WISHES AND I THINK THAT KEN WAS A GOOD 638 00:36:42,902 --> 00:36:47,173 SON AND RESPECTED HIS MOM AND LOVED HER SO MUCH THAT I DOUBTED 639 00:36:47,173 --> 00:36:53,246 THAT HE WANTED TO BE CREMATED AGAINST HER WISHES 640 00:36:53,246 --> 00:36:54,614 >> Reporter: AND AT THE VERY LEAST, CINDY SHOULD BE HAVING A 641 00:36:54,614 --> 00:36:55,715 CONVERSATION WITH THE FAMILY ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS 642 00:36:55,715 --> 00:36:58,551 >> YES YES. 643 00:36:58,551 --> 00:37:02,022 >> Reporter: OF COURSE, AS THE SPOUSE, CINDY HAD BEEN ON THE 644 00:37:02,022 --> 00:37:06,226 DETECTIVES' RADAR SINCE DAY ONE, EVER SINCE HER FIRST INTERVIEW 645 00:37:06,226 --> 00:37:09,029 WITH THEM. THE MOMENT YOU INTERACT WITH 646 00:37:09,029 --> 00:37:12,766 CINDY AT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, HOW'S SHE DOING? 647 00:37:12,766 --> 00:37:20,573 WHAT'S HER DEMEANOR? >> SHE WAS FLAT. 648 00:37:20,573 --> 00:37:24,644 I WOULD CALL IT JUST FLAT. LIKE, TALKING REAL LOW, KIND OF 649 00:37:24,644 --> 00:37:26,046 MUTTERING. >> AND THEN I SAW HIM. 650 00:37:26,046 --> 00:37:27,781 AND HE WAS A VERY WEIRD COLOR. AND I SAID, "KENNY." 651 00:37:27,781 --> 00:37:31,184 >> AND JUST SITTING ON A RECLINER WITH HER FEET UP AS WE 652 00:37:31,184 --> 00:37:35,822 GO THROUGH THIS INTERVIEW. >> Reporter: A LITTLE TOO COMFY? 653 00:37:35,822 --> 00:37:38,591 >> COMFY IS A GOOD WORD, YES >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE SAID 654 00:37:38,591 --> 00:37:42,062 THERE WAS NO SIGN CINDY, WHO WAS RECENTLY TRAINED IN CPR, HAD 655 00:37:42,062 --> 00:37:45,965 TRIED TO HELP KEN WHEN SHE FOUND HIM COVERED IN BLOOD 656 00:37:45,965 --> 00:37:49,402 HER WHITE BATHROBE WAS SPOTLESS. BUT IT WAS TAKING A LOOK AT THE 657 00:37:49,402 --> 00:37:50,470 CAMPER PARKED OUTSIDE THE FARMHOUSE THAT REALLY MADE 658 00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:54,407 DETECTIVES START DOUBTING CINDY'S STORY. 659 00:37:54,407 --> 00:37:57,644 CINDY SAID SHE'D SLEPT THERE THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER BECAUSE SHE 660 00:37:57,644 --> 00:38:01,047 HAD A HEADACHE >> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE 661 00:38:01,047 --> 00:38:04,184 SOMETHING ANYONE WOULD DO ON -- ON A FAIRLY WARM SUMMER DAY HERE 662 00:38:04,184 --> 00:38:06,486 IN WISCONSIN THE THE CAMPER ITSELF DIDN'T 663 00:38:06,486 --> 00:38:07,587 HAVE AIR CONDITIONING. >> Reporter: THAT WAS SOMETHING 664 00:38:07,587 --> 00:38:10,457 YOU NOTICED RIGHT AWAY >> ABSOLUTELY. 665 00:38:10,457 --> 00:38:14,427 IT WAS VERY WARM THAT DAY. >> Reporter: BUT SHE DID NEED 666 00:38:14,427 --> 00:38:20,734 PEACE AND QUIET. SHE WANTED -- IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE 667 00:38:20,734 --> 00:38:24,504 KIND OF WANTED A COCOON WHERE SHE CAN JUST - 668 00:38:24,504 --> 00:38:26,039 >> YEAH, AND I WOULD SAY THE CAMPER WAS ALSO PAINTED IN A 669 00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:31,344 HARLEY-DAVIDSON MOTIF. SO IT WAS BLACK AND, YOU KNOW, 670 00:38:31,344 --> 00:38:32,712 AUGUST SUN BEATING DOWN ON THAT. BUT IT WAS HER COCOON, AS YOU 671 00:38:32,712 --> 00:38:33,913 SAID >> Reporter: DETECTIVES ASKED 672 00:38:33,913 --> 00:38:35,048 FRIENDS AND FAMILY ABOUT KEN AND CINDY'S RELATIONSHIP 673 00:38:35,048 --> 00:38:38,151 NEARLY EVERYONE SAID THEY SEEMED LIKE A GOOD MATCH. 674 00:38:38,151 --> 00:38:43,056 THEN INVESTIGATORS GOT A GLIMPSE OF SOMETHING AT THE FARMHOUSE, 675 00:38:43,056 --> 00:38:46,393 SOMETHING CINDY APPARENTLY DIDN'T WANT THEM TO SEE. 676 00:38:46,393 --> 00:38:49,262 >> DETECTIVE McCARTHY AND MYSELF WERE AGAIN SPEAKING WITH CINDY 677 00:38:49,262 --> 00:38:53,500 IN HER HOME, AND WE WERE AT THIS DESK 678 00:38:53,500 --> 00:39:00,907 AND I LOOKED DOWN BELOW THE DESK AND THERE WAS A CLOTHES BASKET 679 00:39:00,907 --> 00:39:02,275 FILLED WITH PAPERWORK. AND I HAPPENED TO LOOK UP AT 680 00:39:02,275 --> 00:39:03,777 CINDY. AND SHE NOTED THAT I WAS LOOKING 681 00:39:03,777 --> 00:39:07,447 AT THE STUFF AND SHE TOOK ANOTHER PILE OF 682 00:39:07,447 --> 00:39:09,749 PAPER AND PUT IT ON TOP OF THAT. >> Reporter: WHAT WAS IT 683 00:39:09,749 --> 00:39:12,052 >> WELL, I KNOW IT WAS LIFE INSURANCE DOCUMENTS. 684 00:39:12,052 --> 00:39:16,022 >> Reporter: AND IT WASN'T JUST LIFE INSURANCE 685 00:39:16,022 --> 00:39:18,558 A FEW WEEKS AFTER KEN'S DEATH, LAURIE GOT A CALL FROM HER 686 00:39:18,558 --> 00:39:26,232 BROTHER DON. >> AND DON SAID, "THEY FOUND A 687 00:39:26,232 --> 00:39:27,901 WILL." AND I SAID, "OH, MY GOSH, WHAT 688 00:39:27,901 --> 00:39:29,636 DOES THE WILL SAY? AND DON SAID, "OH, THE WILL SAYS 689 00:39:29,636 --> 00:39:31,338 THAT CINDY GETS EVERYTHING." >> Reporter: WHAT DID YOU MAKE 690 00:39:31,338 --> 00:39:34,474 OF THAT? >> WE COULDN'T FIGURE THAT ONE 691 00:39:34,474 --> 00:39:36,209 OUT. >> THE MARRIAGE WAS LESS THAN 692 00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:38,745 THREE YEARS OLD. AND SO FOR HIM TO CUT HIS OWN 693 00:39:38,745 --> 00:39:41,614 CHILDREN OUT, JUST, AGAIN, SEEMED INCONCEIVABLE 694 00:39:41,614 --> 00:39:44,718 >> Reporter: MAYBE THE PHARMACIST WITH THE RACETRACK 695 00:39:44,718 --> 00:39:51,057 WAS WORTH MORE TO CINDY DEAD THAN ALIVE 696 00:39:51,057 --> 00:39:55,261 DETECTIVES NAMED HER A PERSON OF INTEREST 697 00:39:55,261 --> 00:39:56,429 AND THEN A BRAND-NEW LEAD LANDED ON THE DETECTIVES' DESK, A 698 00:39:56,429 --> 00:40:02,068 STRANGE LETTER WITH SOMETHING EVEN STRANGER TUCKED INSIDE. 699 00:40:02,068 --> 00:40:03,770 >>> COMING UP -- >> THERE WAS, LIKE, A LITTLE 700 00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:08,641 JEWEL BAG. AND IT HAD A HAIR IN IT. 701 00:40:08,641 --> 00:40:09,609 >> Reporter: IN THIS LETTER? >> IN THIS LETTER. 702 00:40:09,609 --> 00:40:10,610 >> Reporter: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN 703 00:40:10,610 --> 00:40:11,811 >> I DON'T KNOW! >> Reporter: ARE THEY TRYING TO 704 00:40:11,811 --> 00:40:13,146 SAY THIS -- THE HAIR BELONGS TO THE KILLER 705 00:40:13,146 --> 00:40:15,115 >> I DON'T KNOW. >> Reporter: THIS IS A CRAZY 706 00:40:15,115 --> 00:40:33,333 TWIST TO THE STORY >> RIGHT 707 00:40:33,333 --> 00:40:35,335 >> Reporter: AS THE WEEKS PASSED, PAM SAYS CINDY LISTENED 708 00:40:35,335 --> 00:40:38,738 TO KEN'S VOICE ON THE ANSWERING MACHINE AGAIN AND AGAIN. 709 00:40:38,738 --> 00:40:44,878 >> HI, BEAUTIFUL I WASN'T GOING TO CALL BUT JUST 710 00:40:44,878 --> 00:40:48,214 CHECKING I'LL BE HERE UNTIL 6:30. 711 00:40:48,214 --> 00:40:49,416 OKAY BYE. 712 00:40:49,416 --> 00:40:52,819 >> EVERY DAY SHE WOULD LISTEN TO THIS SAME RECORDING OF KEN 713 00:40:52,819 --> 00:40:59,959 SHE'D GO ABOUT HER DAY CAUTIOUSLY, BELIEVING IT'S NOT 714 00:40:59,959 --> 00:41:01,161 REAL >> Reporter: PAM KNEW HER SISTER 715 00:41:01,161 --> 00:41:02,195 WAS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR HER HUSBAND KEN'S MURDER 716 00:41:02,195 --> 00:41:11,071 BUT SHE SAYS CINDY WAS NO KILLER 717 00:41:11,071 --> 00:41:20,947 >> I WOULD CONSIDER HER PERFECT. SHE'S CARING FOR EVERYBODY 718 00:41:20,947 --> 00:41:22,649 >> Reporter: AND THE PERSON SHE CARED FOR MOST OF ALL, ACCORDING 719 00:41:22,649 --> 00:41:23,616 TO PAM, WAS KEN. WHEN HE LOST HIS JOB EARLY IN 720 00:41:23,616 --> 00:41:24,784 THEIR RELATIONSHIP, SHE SAID CINDY HADN'T HESITATED TO STEP 721 00:41:24,784 --> 00:41:25,452 UP >> CINDY WAS THE ONE THAT 722 00:41:25,452 --> 00:41:29,489 STEPPED FORWARD AND LENT HIM MONEY. 723 00:41:29,489 --> 00:41:30,724 $18,000 TO LIVE BECAUSE HE WAS PAYING CHILD SUPPORT AND HAD HIS 724 00:41:30,724 --> 00:41:32,325 BILLS AND EVERYTHING >> Reporter: SHE WAS HELPING HIM 725 00:41:32,325 --> 00:41:33,626 GET BY >> YES, YES. 726 00:41:33,626 --> 00:41:38,098 DEFINITELY >> Reporter: AT THE TIME OF HIS 727 00:41:38,098 --> 00:41:40,600 DEATH, KEN WAS BACK TO EARNING GOOD MONEY AS A PHARMACIST 728 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,602 THE FAMILY, THE POLICE, THEY BELIEVE THIS IS ALL OVER THE 729 00:41:42,602 --> 00:41:47,140 MONEY, THE LIFE INSURANCE -- >> NEVER 730 00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:52,846 >> Reporter: -- MONEY. >> CINDY DIDN'T CARE 731 00:41:52,846 --> 00:41:54,781 >> Reporter: AS FOR KEN'S WILL, PAM SAYS CINDY KNEW NOTHING 732 00:41:54,781 --> 00:41:55,782 ABOUT THAT. SHE STUMBLED ACROSS IT STUFFED 733 00:41:55,782 --> 00:41:56,516 IN THE BACK OF HER WEDDING ALBUM. 734 00:41:56,516 --> 00:41:58,218 THE FAMILY FINDS THAT AWFULLY CONVENIENT THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE 735 00:41:58,218 --> 00:42:02,222 HAPPENS TO FIND THIS WILL IN THE WEDDING ALBUM AND THAT, YOU 736 00:42:02,222 --> 00:42:03,623 KNOW, EVERYTHING, LO AND BEHOLD, GOES TO HER, NOTHING TO THE 737 00:42:03,623 --> 00:42:05,325 CHILDREN >> THAT'S BECAUSE KEN WAS MAD AT 738 00:42:05,325 --> 00:42:12,732 THE KIDS KEN FINALLY STOOD UP TO THE KIDS 739 00:42:12,732 --> 00:42:14,200 AND WASN'T GOING TO LET THEM RULE WHO HE HAD A RELATIONSHIP 740 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,138 OR WHAT HE DID, THAT HE WAS NO LONGER GONNA GO BACK TO THEIR 741 00:42:18,138 --> 00:42:20,473 MOTHER >> Reporter: PAM SAYS THERE WAS 742 00:42:20,473 --> 00:42:21,675 ALSO NOTHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT CINDY SLEEPING IN THAT LITTLE 743 00:42:21,675 --> 00:42:25,845 CAMPER >> IT WAS KEN'S IDEA THAT CINDY 744 00:42:25,845 --> 00:42:27,547 SLEEP THERE. AND AS FAR AS IT BEING HOT, 745 00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:30,650 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE END OF AUGUST 746 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:34,654 BY THE TIME THE SUN STARTS GOING DOWN BEHIND THE TREES, IT COOLS 747 00:42:34,654 --> 00:42:35,555 DOWN >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, I'M FROM 748 00:42:35,555 --> 00:42:38,091 CANADA THE NIGHTS START TO GET A LITTLE 749 00:42:38,091 --> 00:42:41,461 CHILLY JUST -- >> ABSOLUTELY. 750 00:42:41,461 --> 00:42:42,595 >> Reporter: JUST LIKE WHILE WE'VE BEEN STAYING HERE THIS 751 00:42:42,595 --> 00:42:43,963 WEEK, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE TIME THAT THIS HAPPENED. 752 00:42:43,963 --> 00:42:44,898 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Reporter: AND IT'S COLD AT 753 00:42:44,898 --> 00:42:45,532 NIGHT. >> ABSOLUTELY. 754 00:42:45,532 --> 00:42:48,001 >> Reporter: PAM SAYS CINDY HAD NOTHING TO HIDE. 755 00:42:48,001 --> 00:42:52,005 SHE COOPERATED WITH INVESTIGATORS FROM DAY ONE, 756 00:42:52,005 --> 00:42:53,139 MEETING THEM WHENEVER THEY NEEDED HER 757 00:42:53,139 --> 00:42:54,874 >> YOU KNOW, SHE SAID, "WELL, YOU CAN LOOK AT ME 758 00:42:54,874 --> 00:42:58,244 IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU KNOW, "YOU'D BE REMISS IF 759 00:42:58,244 --> 00:43:03,650 YOU DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATE ME." 760 00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:04,851 >> Reporter: YOU'RE SAYING CINDY UNDERSTOOD SHE'S THE SPOUSE. 761 00:43:04,851 --> 00:43:06,353 >> RIGHT >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, THE 762 00:43:06,353 --> 00:43:07,087 POLICE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE SPOUSE 763 00:43:07,087 --> 00:43:08,221 THEY HAVE TO ASK - >> RIGHT 764 00:43:08,221 --> 00:43:09,356 >> Reporter: -- THOSE TOUGH QUESTIONS. 765 00:43:09,356 --> 00:43:10,523 >> RIGHT >> Reporter: IN FACT, PAM SAYS 766 00:43:10,523 --> 00:43:13,360 CINDY WAS SO DETERMINED TO PROVE HER INNOCENCE, SHE ARRANGED TO 767 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:20,734 TAKE A VOICE LAYER ANALYSIS AT A NEIGHBORING POLICE DEPARTMENT. 768 00:43:20,734 --> 00:43:21,868 THAT'S LIKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST BUT MEASURES YOUR VOICE. 769 00:43:21,868 --> 00:43:23,069 >> HI, CINDY, THIS IS DETECTIVE PATTY CRUMP. 770 00:43:23,069 --> 00:43:25,071 >> Reporter: SHE GOT THE RESULTS A WEEK LATER 771 00:43:25,071 --> 00:43:26,740 >> FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, YOU DID NOT SHOOT YOUR HUSBAND 772 00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:31,845 >> Reporter: BUT IF CINDY WASN'T THE SHOOTER, WHO WAS 773 00:43:31,845 --> 00:43:39,519 CINDY AND PAM PUT UP POSTERS AROUND TOWN OFFERING A 774 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:40,954 $25,000 REWARD FOR TIPS. PAM DIDN'T BARGAIN FOR WHAT 775 00:43:40,954 --> 00:43:41,921 HAPPENED NEXT. AN ANONYMOUS LETTER SHOWED UP IN 776 00:43:41,921 --> 00:43:44,357 HER P.O. BOX WHAT DID THE LETTER SAY? 777 00:43:44,357 --> 00:43:48,328 >> I HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER >> Reporter: JUST, YOU KNOW, 778 00:43:48,328 --> 00:43:57,737 PARAPHRASE FOR US WHAT - >> THAT, "HE WOULDN'T GIVE UP 779 00:43:57,737 --> 00:43:59,272 HIS BITCH, SO HE GOT HERS TOO. AND, "KEN WAS SHOT TWICE." 780 00:43:59,272 --> 00:44:01,408 >> Reporter: THIS IS VERY CRYPTIC. 781 00:44:01,408 --> 00:44:02,909 >> IT'S VERY CRYPTIC AND THEN, "IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE 782 00:44:02,909 --> 00:44:06,046 WHAT I'M SAYING, CHECK OUT THE BAGGIE." 783 00:44:06,046 --> 00:44:07,414 THERE WAS -- >> Reporter: WHAT BAGGIE 784 00:44:07,414 --> 00:44:10,250 >> THERE WAS A LITTLE, TINY, LIKE, A LITTLE JEWEL BAG 785 00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:13,820 AND IT HAD A HAIR IN IT. >> Reporter: IN THIS LETTER? 786 00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:14,788 >> IN THIS LETTER. >> Reporter: WHAT DOES THAT 787 00:44:14,788 --> 00:44:15,755 MEAN >> I DON'T KNOW. 788 00:44:15,755 --> 00:44:17,057 >> Reporter: ARE THEY TRYING TO SAY THIS -- THE HAIR BELONGS TO 789 00:44:17,057 --> 00:44:18,591 THE KILLER >> I DON'T KNOW. 790 00:44:18,591 --> 00:44:20,760 >> Reporter: THIS IS A CRAZY TWIST TO THE STORY 791 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,063 >> RIGHT RIGHT. 792 00:44:23,063 --> 00:44:27,300 CINDY OFFERS THE REWARD. THIS COMES IN. 793 00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:29,869 HERE WE'VE GOT THIS -- WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE A PUBIC HAIR -- 794 00:44:29,869 --> 00:44:30,937 >> Reporter: EW. >> -- THAT WASN'T KEN'S. 795 00:44:30,937 --> 00:44:33,640 YEAH THAT'S WHAT THE DETECTIVES SAID, 796 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,409 THAT IT WAS SENT IN. IT WASN'T KEN'S. 797 00:44:36,409 --> 00:44:38,978 >> Reporter: WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT? 798 00:44:38,978 --> 00:44:41,514 >> I DON'T KNOW. >> Reporter: EW. 799 00:44:41,514 --> 00:44:43,516 >> I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT THE DETECTIVES TOLD 800 00:44:43,516 --> 00:44:46,119 US THEY SAID IT WAS A PUBIC HAIR. 801 00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:51,091 >> Reporter: WHO ARE YOU THINKING THIS LETTER IS FROM 802 00:44:51,091 --> 00:44:54,894 >> WE HAVE NO IDEA >> Reporter: YOU THINK IT'S THE 803 00:44:54,894 --> 00:44:55,995 KILLER >> IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE 804 00:44:55,995 --> 00:44:58,098 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES SENT THE HAIR AND LETTER OFF FOR 805 00:44:58,098 --> 00:45:02,035 ANALYSIS BY THE STATE CRIME LAB AND THE FBI. 806 00:45:02,035 --> 00:45:05,372 BUT THEY GOT NO NEW LEADS. ALMOST A YEAR HAD GONE BY SINCE 807 00:45:05,372 --> 00:45:08,041 KEN'S DEATH. LAURIE SAYS THE WAIT FOR ANSWERS 808 00:45:08,041 --> 00:45:11,678 WAS TAKING ITS TOLL, ESPECIALLY ON HER FATHER. 809 00:45:11,678 --> 00:45:15,949 >> MY FATHER WAS IN THE LAST MONTHS OF HIS LIFE 810 00:45:15,949 --> 00:45:19,052 AND WE KNEW IT >> Reporter: BEFORE HE DIED, 811 00:45:19,052 --> 00:45:22,222 LAURIE'S DAD SAID HE WAS SURE LAURIE WOULD FIGURE OUT WHO 812 00:45:22,222 --> 00:45:27,794 KILLED KEN DID YOU TAKE THAT TO HEART, HIM 813 00:45:27,794 --> 00:45:30,096 SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT? 814 00:45:30,096 --> 00:45:31,197 >> ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY 815 00:45:31,197 --> 00:45:36,803 I DIDN'T CARE IF IT TOOK THE REST OF MY LIFE AND EVERY PENNY 816 00:45:36,803 --> 00:45:41,875 IN MY BANK ACCOUNT I WAS GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT 817 00:45:41,875 --> 00:45:48,715 FOR DAD AND FOR KEN. >>> COMING UP -- 818 00:45:48,715 --> 00:45:50,717 >> I SAID, "HEY, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT KEN'S MURDER? 819 00:45:50,717 --> 00:45:51,718 >> A SISTER TURNS SLEUTH QUESTIONING THE BUSINESS 820 00:45:51,718 --> 00:45:54,954 PARTNER. THE NEIGHBOR 821 00:45:54,954 --> 00:45:58,358 AND THAT WILL. >> IT DIDN'T LOOK LEGITIMATE AT 822 00:45:58,358 --> 00:46:16,743 >> Reporter: A YEAR AFTER KEN'S 823 00:46:16,743 --> 00:46:18,144 MURDER, THERE'D BEEN NO ARREST HIS CHILDREN AND CINDY WERE 824 00:46:18,144 --> 00:46:24,684 SLUGGING IT OUT IN COURT OVER HIS ESTATE 825 00:46:24,684 --> 00:46:27,220 >> SO THAT FIRST YEAR IT WAS DESTROYING ALL OF US 826 00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:29,522 IT WAS SOAKING UP OUR LIVES. >> Reporter: LAURIE WAS 827 00:46:29,522 --> 00:46:33,493 DETERMINED TO LIVE UP TO HER DAD'S FAITH IN HER, THAT SHE 828 00:46:33,493 --> 00:46:38,631 WOULD FIGURE OUT WHO KILLED KEN. SHE DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO ACT 829 00:46:38,631 --> 00:46:46,072 WHERE DO YOU START >> WELL, THAT'S JUST IT, RIGHT 830 00:46:46,072 --> 00:46:47,240 JUST IMAGINE ME. I KNOW NOTHING 831 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,709 I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ANY OF THIS 832 00:46:49,709 --> 00:46:51,444 WHERE DO I START >> Reporter: BEFORE SHE BECAME A 833 00:46:51,444 --> 00:46:55,982 STAY-AT-HOME MOM, LAURIE HAD WORKED AS A COMPUTER SYSTEMS 834 00:46:55,982 --> 00:46:58,251 ENGINEER >> SO I WENT BACK TO THE METHODS 835 00:46:58,251 --> 00:47:01,688 THAT I USED TO SOLVE COMPUTER PROBLEMS, 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL I 836 00:47:01,688 --> 00:47:05,692 KNEW AND THE THING THAT YOU DO IS 837 00:47:05,692 --> 00:47:09,429 GATHER DATA, RIGHT THAT'S HOW YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM 838 00:47:09,429 --> 00:47:12,799 >> Reporter: LAURIE FLEW HOME TO WISCONSIN AND STARTED HUNTING 839 00:47:12,799 --> 00:47:17,937 FOR CLUES. SHE KNOCKED ON DOORS AROUND 840 00:47:17,937 --> 00:47:19,906 KEN'S FARM, ASKING IF ANYONE HAD ANY INFORMATION. 841 00:47:19,906 --> 00:47:25,879 >> AND EVERYBODY POINTED TO THIS ONE NEIGHBOR -- HIS NAME WAS 842 00:47:25,879 --> 00:47:26,746 MARK -- THAT LIVED JUST A FEW MILES FROM 843 00:47:26,746 --> 00:47:31,851 KEN AND WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THE RACING THING 844 00:47:31,851 --> 00:47:36,122 >> Reporter: THE NEIGHBOR TOLD LAURIE KEN WASN'T ACTING LIKE 845 00:47:36,122 --> 00:47:37,557 HIMSELF RIGHT BEFORE HE DIED HE SEEMED ON EDGE. 846 00:47:37,557 --> 00:47:40,093 AND HE HAD A STRANGE STORY ABOUT GOING OVER TO THE FARMHOUSE ONE 847 00:47:40,093 --> 00:47:43,229 TIME WHEN KEN WAS OUT OF TOWN AND FINDING THE LOCKS TAMPERED 848 00:47:43,229 --> 00:47:46,066 WITH >> AND AT THE END OF MY TALKING 849 00:47:46,066 --> 00:47:49,769 WITH HIM, I SAID, "WELL, WHAT DID YOU TELL POLICE? 850 00:47:49,769 --> 00:47:53,073 AND HE SAID, "WELL, THEY NEVER ASKED ME ANYTHING. 851 00:47:53,073 --> 00:47:56,910 AND I JUST FOUND THAT INCREDIBLE 852 00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:58,578 >> Reporter: LAURIE ALSO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT COPY OF 853 00:47:58,578 --> 00:48:04,417 KEN'S WILL CINDY SAID SHE FOUND IN HER WEDDING ALBUM 854 00:48:04,417 --> 00:48:05,218 >> IT DIDN'T LOOK LEGITIMATE AT ALL. 855 00:48:05,218 --> 00:48:06,052 >> Reporter: YOU THINK CINDY MADE IT UP 856 00:48:06,052 --> 00:48:07,687 >> I DO. >> Reporter: SHE NOTICED THE 857 00:48:07,687 --> 00:48:11,691 WITNESS TO THE WILL WAS KEN'S FELLOW PHARMACIST AND FRIEND, 858 00:48:11,691 --> 00:48:16,796 ED KOSTLEVY. SO SHE ASKED HIM ABOUT IT. 859 00:48:16,796 --> 00:48:21,067 >> I DIDN'T SIGN IT. BOTH KEN JUEDES AND MYSELF WERE 860 00:48:21,067 --> 00:48:22,769 AT WORK THAT DAY, FOR ALL DAY. >> Reporter: LAURIE SENT A COPY 861 00:48:22,769 --> 00:48:26,473 OF THE WILL AND SOME OF KEN'S LIFE INSURANCE DOCUMENTS TO A 862 00:48:26,473 --> 00:48:31,878 HANDWRITING EXPERT WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU? 863 00:48:31,878 --> 00:48:33,380 WHAT WAS HER CONCLUSION? >> SHE TOLD ME THAT BECAUSE I 864 00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:38,151 HAD NOT SENT HER THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, SHE COULDN'T SAY 865 00:48:38,151 --> 00:48:40,687 CONCLUSIVELY BUT SHE DID SAY THERE WAS A HIGH 866 00:48:40,687 --> 00:48:44,557 PROBABILITY THAT THOSE SIGNATURES WERE FORGED 867 00:48:44,557 --> 00:48:46,960 >> Reporter: CINDY HAS ALWAYS DENIED FORGING THE WILL. 868 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,365 BUT LAURIE WASN'T JUST FOCUSED ON KEN'S WIDOW 869 00:48:52,365 --> 00:48:54,934 >> MY MOM WOULD BABYSIT THE KIDS 870 00:48:54,934 --> 00:48:56,569 AND I WOULD GO TALK TO EVERYBODY, INCLUDING PEOPLE THAT 871 00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:57,470 I THOUGHT WERE INVOLVED IN HIS MURDER 872 00:48:57,470 --> 00:49:00,206 >> Reporter: THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS. 873 00:49:00,206 --> 00:49:05,145 >> YES I REALLY DIDN'T CARE 874 00:49:05,145 --> 00:49:06,613 >> Reporter: SHE WANTED TO KNOW EVERYTHING SHE COULD ABOUT HER 875 00:49:06,613 --> 00:49:11,151 BROTHER'S FEUD WITH HIS BUSINESS PARTNER, RANDALL LANDWEHR. 876 00:49:11,151 --> 00:49:15,422 THIS IS A MAN THAT ALLEGEDLY PUBLICLY THREATENED TO KILL KEN. 877 00:49:15,422 --> 00:49:18,024 AND YOU'RE GOING TO CONFRONT HIM? 878 00:49:18,024 --> 00:49:21,661 >> YES >> Reporter: SHE TOOK KEN'S 879 00:49:21,661 --> 00:49:23,663 DAUGHTER WITH HER. THEY FOUND HIM AT THE CAMPGROUND 880 00:49:23,663 --> 00:49:27,067 BAR NEXT TO THE RACETRACK. >> IT'S LIKE ONE OF THOSE OLD 881 00:49:27,067 --> 00:49:33,606 WESTERNS WHERE THERE'S A BAR SCENE AND THE DOORS OPEN AND THE 882 00:49:33,606 --> 00:49:34,741 PERSON WALKS IN AND EVERYBODY STOPS TALKING. 883 00:49:34,741 --> 00:49:36,343 WELL, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED I WALKED DOWN THIS LONG, LONG 884 00:49:36,343 --> 00:49:40,714 BAR. AND I TAPPED HIM ON THE 885 00:49:40,714 --> 00:49:42,849 SHOULDER AND HE TURNED AROUND 886 00:49:42,849 --> 00:49:45,552 AND HE LOOKED AT ME. AND HIS EYES GOT WIDE LIKE HE 887 00:49:45,552 --> 00:49:47,187 HAD SEEN A GHOST >> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO 888 00:49:47,187 --> 00:49:49,823 HIM? >> I SAID, "HEY, DO YOU KNOW 889 00:49:49,823 --> 00:49:53,827 ANYTHING ABOUT KEN'S MURDER? AND HE SAID, "NO." 890 00:49:53,827 --> 00:50:02,435 HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING. HE DID GO OUT AND TALK WITH ME 891 00:50:02,435 --> 00:50:03,603 THOUGH HE SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT 892 00:50:03,603 --> 00:50:07,173 CINDY CAME TO HIS BAR, CAMPGROUND THING, HE SAID HE 893 00:50:07,173 --> 00:50:12,312 THOUGHT SHE LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS SURVEYING IT LIKE, "HOW CAN I 894 00:50:12,312 --> 00:50:13,713 GET MY HANDS ON THIS?" >> Reporter: DID YOU FEEL LIKE 895 00:50:13,713 --> 00:50:15,148 HE WAS POINTING THE FINGER AT CINDY? 896 00:50:15,148 --> 00:50:17,984 >> YES, I DID. >> Reporter: WERE THE POLICE 897 00:50:17,984 --> 00:50:20,954 INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE FINDING 898 00:50:20,954 --> 00:50:23,656 OUT? WERE THEY LISTENING TO YOU 899 00:50:23,656 --> 00:50:27,660 >> NO. NO 900 00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:28,661 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES SAY THAT'S NOT TRUE. 901 00:50:28,661 --> 00:50:33,366 THEY TOOK LAURIE'S CALLS AND SUGGESTIONS SERIOUSLY. 902 00:50:33,366 --> 00:50:35,335 BUT LAURIE STARTED BOMBARDING LOCAL OFFICIALS WITH COMPLAINTS 903 00:50:35,335 --> 00:50:37,070 ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION. SHE WANTED TO KNOW WHY 904 00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:40,740 DETECTIVES NEVER TESTED CINDY'S HANDS FOR GUNSHOT RESIDUE. 905 00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:45,612 AND SHE WONDERED WHY THEY'D GIVEN THE FARMHOUSE BACK TO 906 00:50:45,612 --> 00:50:48,214 CINDY AFTER LESS THAN 36 HOURS DID YOU THINK THAT IN HINDSIGHT 907 00:50:48,214 --> 00:50:55,622 MAYBE YOU SHOULD'VE KEPT THE HOUSE LONGER 908 00:50:55,622 --> 00:50:56,756 >> I THINK IN THIS CASE, I THINK, AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD 909 00:50:56,756 --> 00:50:58,391 AGREE WITH ME, MAYBE HOLDING THIS HOUSE FOR A LITTLE LONGER 910 00:50:58,391 --> 00:50:59,125 WOULD HELP TO MAYBE LOOK THROUGH. 911 00:50:59,125 --> 00:51:04,164 LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A LARGE PROPERTY 912 00:51:04,164 --> 00:51:05,298 WE FELT THAT WE HAD DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE. 913 00:51:05,298 --> 00:51:10,136 >> Reporter: LAURIE THINKS THAT YOU DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB? 914 00:51:10,136 --> 00:51:15,608 >> RIGHT >> Reporter: SHE STARTED 915 00:51:15,608 --> 00:51:16,776 INVESTIGATING ON HER OWN BECAUSE SHE FELT YOU WEREN'T DOING 916 00:51:16,776 --> 00:51:25,418 ENOUGH >> I'D LIKE TO SEE HER FINDINGS. 917 00:51:25,418 --> 00:51:26,486 >> RIGHT, AND I -- I WIL SAY -- AND I APPRECIATE, YOU 918 00:51:26,486 --> 00:51:27,721 KNOW, THAT HER -- HER BROTHER WHO -- WHO WAS KILLED IN SUCH A 919 00:51:27,721 --> 00:51:31,725 VIOLENT AND BRUTAL MANNER, I -- I -- I -- I GET THAT PART. 920 00:51:31,725 --> 00:51:35,128 WHAT LAURIE BECAME AND THE -- HER ALLEGATIONS REALLY HINDERED 921 00:51:35,128 --> 00:51:35,995 THIS CASE. >> Reporter: YOU FEEL LIKE SHE 922 00:51:35,995 --> 00:51:37,997 GOT IN THE WAY >> YES 923 00:51:37,997 --> 00:51:39,466 >> OH, YEAH. >> Reporter: THERE WERE TIMES 924 00:51:39,466 --> 00:51:43,670 WHEN THEY SAID THAT YOU -- YOU WERE GETTING A LITTLE TOO 925 00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:47,374 INVOLVED, TOO MUCH IN THE WAY. >> I MAY HAVE BEEN GETTING TOO 926 00:51:47,374 --> 00:51:49,542 INVOLVED AS FAR AS THEY WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE I WAS FINDING 927 00:51:49,542 --> 00:51:53,113 OUT THINGS THAT THEY HADN'T LOOKED INTO. 928 00:51:53,113 --> 00:51:56,216 >> Reporter: BUT DETECTIVES ALSO WEREN'T SHARING EVERYTHING THEY 929 00:51:56,216 --> 00:52:01,321 WERE UP TO THERE WERE NEW WITNESSES AND NEW 930 00:52:01,321 --> 00:52:04,724 STORIES. >>> COMING UP -- 931 00:52:04,724 --> 00:52:10,430 >> Reporter: DO YOU HAVE ANY FEARS ABOUT SITTING HERE TODAY 932 00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:11,564 AND TELLING YOUR STORY >> YES 933 00:52:11,564 --> 00:52:12,699 >> AND WHAT'S THIS GUY HAVE TO DO WITH THIS CASE? 934 00:52:12,699 --> 00:52:14,334 >> EDDIE MUNSTER >> Reporter: AN ACTOR FROM, 935 00:52:14,334 --> 00:52:16,403 LIKE, BLAST FROM THE PAST. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 936 00:52:16,403 --> 00:52:34,487 YEAH >> Reporter: IT WAS JUST AFTER 937 00:52:34,487 --> 00:52:35,889 DAWN, THE SUMMER AFTER KEN JUEDES' MURDER, WHEN 938 00:52:35,889 --> 00:52:39,559 DETECTIVE SEAN McCARTHY GOT WOKEN UP BY AN URGENT PHONE CALL 939 00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,395 FROM THE MARATHON COUNTY JAIL. SOMEONE HAS INFORMATION ABOUT 940 00:52:42,395 --> 00:52:45,832 THE CASE >> THAT'S RIGHT. 941 00:52:45,832 --> 00:52:48,101 >> Reporter: THAT SOMEONE WAS BRIAN DEMLER, A BARTENDER AT THE 942 00:52:48,101 --> 00:52:52,105 CAMPGROUND ATTACHED TO THE RACETRACK. 943 00:52:52,105 --> 00:52:54,407 BRIAN WAS UNDER ARREST FOR HIS FIFTH DRUNK DRIVING VIOLATION. 944 00:52:54,407 --> 00:52:57,510 WHY IS HE DOING THIS WHY IS HE CALLING YOU? 945 00:52:57,510 --> 00:53:00,647 >> I THINK HE WAS DEALING WITH SOME OF HIS OWN LEGAL TROUBLES 946 00:53:00,647 --> 00:53:02,615 AND I THINK HE WANTED SOME HELP THAT WAY 947 00:53:02,615 --> 00:53:04,584 >> Reporter: MAYBE CUT A DEAL? >> POSSIBLY. 948 00:53:04,584 --> 00:53:09,723 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE RUSHED TO THE JAIL WITH HIS TAPE 949 00:53:09,723 --> 00:53:12,292 RECORDER IN HAND >> WELL, APPARENTLY THERE ARE 950 00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:13,426 SOME THINGS YOU WANT TO GET OFF YOUR CHEST 951 00:53:13,426 --> 00:53:16,062 >> Reporter: THE BARTENDER SAID HE'D OVERHEARD SOME MEN TALKING 952 00:53:16,062 --> 00:53:17,964 ABOUT THE MURDER >> IT'S ONE OF THE GUYS AT 953 00:53:17,964 --> 00:53:21,434 MONSTER HALL WHO DID IT. >> Reporter: BRIAN SAID IT WAS 954 00:53:21,434 --> 00:53:24,738 NOT RANDALL LANDWEHR, KEN'S BUSINESS PARTNER AT MONSTER HALL 955 00:53:24,738 --> 00:53:25,705 RACEWAY. HE SAID THERE WERE THREE OTHER 956 00:53:25,705 --> 00:53:30,477 MEN DETECTIVES NEEDED TO INVESTIGATE. 957 00:53:30,477 --> 00:53:35,615 >> THE FEW CONVERSATIONS THEY'VE HAD AT BAR, CLOSING TIME, 958 00:53:35,615 --> 00:53:37,317 LAUGHING AND EVERYTHING, I THINK THEM THREE HAD SOMETHING OR 959 00:53:37,317 --> 00:53:38,451 KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED. >> THOSE THREE PRETTY TIGHT 960 00:53:38,451 --> 00:53:41,287 THEN >> YEAH. 961 00:53:41,287 --> 00:53:44,991 >> Reporter: SO WHO WERE THEY? ACCORDING TO THE BARTENDER, THE 962 00:53:44,991 --> 00:53:49,262 FIRST MAN WAS JERRY GENTRY, A BUSINESSMAN THEY CALLED 963 00:53:49,262 --> 00:53:54,434 CALIFORNIA JERRY THEN THERE WAS GARY UPTON, ALSO 964 00:53:54,434 --> 00:53:56,369 KNOWN AS DR. DIESECT, WHO SCARED VISITORS AT THE CAMPGROUND'S 965 00:53:56,369 --> 00:53:59,506 HAUNTED MANSION. BUT IT WAS THE THIRD NAME THAT 966 00:53:59,506 --> 00:54:00,940 REALLY GOT THE DETECTIVE'S ATTENTION. 967 00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:06,913 >> EDDIE MUNSTER >> Reporter: OR MORE PRECISELY, 968 00:54:06,913 --> 00:54:09,182 BUTCH PATRICK, THE CHILD ACTOR WHO PLAYED EDDIE MUNSTER IN THE 969 00:54:09,182 --> 00:54:10,316 TV SITCOM "THE MUNSTERS. AN ACTOR FROM, LIKE, BLAST FROM 970 00:54:10,316 --> 00:54:14,287 THE PAST >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 971 00:54:14,287 --> 00:54:15,622 >> Reporter: HE VISITED MONSTER HALL FROM TIME TO TIME, SIGNING 972 00:54:15,622 --> 00:54:18,291 AUTOGRAPHS AND HANGING OUT AT THE BAR. 973 00:54:18,291 --> 00:54:21,695 >> WHY WOULD SOMEONE HAVE ISSUES WITH KEN THOUGH? 974 00:54:21,695 --> 00:54:25,098 I MEAN, WHAT WAS -- WHAT DO YOU THINK WENT BAD 975 00:54:25,098 --> 00:54:30,804 >> I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS -- I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW WHAT 976 00:54:30,804 --> 00:54:36,209 HAPPENED BUT THEY HAD A FALLING OUT WITH 977 00:54:36,209 --> 00:54:39,179 [ BLEEP ] DRUGS AND EVERYTHING WITH THE RACETRACK 978 00:54:39,179 --> 00:54:40,814 >> Reporter: BRIAN THE BARTENDER SAID KEN HAD SOLD ILLEGAL DRUGS 979 00:54:40,814 --> 00:54:42,615 FROM TIME TO TIME. IN FACT, THE MORNING OF THE 980 00:54:42,615 --> 00:54:48,321 MURDER, HE SAID HE'D GIVEN CALIFORNIA JERRY A RIDE TO KEN'S 981 00:54:48,321 --> 00:54:50,090 HOUSE TO GET SOME COCAINE. >> AND, UH, WHEN HE CAME BACK IN 982 00:54:50,090 --> 00:54:51,091 THE TRUCK, HE WAS PISSED OFF ABOUT SOMETHING. 983 00:54:51,091 --> 00:55:03,236 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED 984 00:55:03,236 --> 00:55:05,205 HE SAID THAT [ BLEEP ] BLAH, BLAH, BLAH 985 00:55:05,205 --> 00:55:06,339 AND HE WAS JUST IRATE. >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE 986 00:55:06,339 --> 00:55:07,741 WASN'T SURE WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS 987 00:55:07,741 --> 00:55:08,875 HE THOUGHT THE GUY POINTING FINGERS STILL SEEMED DRUNK, 988 00:55:08,875 --> 00:55:09,909 TALKING IN CIRCLES >> YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY PERSONAL 989 00:55:09,909 --> 00:55:10,910 INVOLVEMENT WITH KEN'S DEATH AT ALL OR ANYTHING? 990 00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:16,316 >> NO. >> Reporter: AND THEN A FEW 991 00:55:16,316 --> 00:55:18,952 WEEKS LATER, DETECTIVES FOUND OUT BRIAN THE BARTENDER WAS 992 00:55:18,952 --> 00:55:22,055 TALKING ABOUT THE MURDER TO PEOPLE AT THE CAMPGROUND 993 00:55:22,055 --> 00:55:26,626 ONLY HIS STORY HAD CHANGED >> HE CHANGES HIS STORY TO WHERE 994 00:55:26,626 --> 00:55:32,232 HE WAS THE -- THE GETAWAY DRIVER OF THESE OTHER THREE AFTER THEY 995 00:55:32,232 --> 00:55:33,333 WENT IN AND KILLED KEN >> Reporter: THIS IS A BIG SHIFT 996 00:55:33,333 --> 00:55:35,368 FROM BEING SUSPICIOUS OF THESE THREE TO NOW HE'S ACTUALLY 997 00:55:35,368 --> 00:55:37,937 INVOLVED >> RIGHT 998 00:55:37,937 --> 00:55:41,074 >> Reporter: DO YOU BRING IN THE THREE GUYS THAT HE IMPLICATES? 999 00:55:41,074 --> 00:55:43,076 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Reporter: WELL, NOT QUITE 1000 00:55:43,076 --> 00:55:45,145 EVERYBODY. THE ACTOR WHO PLAYED 1001 00:55:45,145 --> 00:55:48,748 EDDIE MUNSTER WASN'T SO EASY TO REACH. 1002 00:55:48,748 --> 00:55:51,084 >> BUTCH PATRICK HAD TO BE REACHED VIA A PUBLICIST. 1003 00:55:51,084 --> 00:55:52,152 >> Reporter: HOLLYWOOD >> RIGHT 1004 00:55:52,152 --> 00:55:53,420 HOLLYWOOD. RIGHT. 1005 00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:54,721 YEAH SO HE -- HE -- HE WAS OUT AND 1006 00:55:54,721 --> 00:56:01,027 ABOUT. BUT WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION 1007 00:56:01,027 --> 00:56:03,263 WITH BOTH UPTON AND GENTRY >> Reporter: BOTH MEN DENIED THE 1008 00:56:03,263 --> 00:56:04,898 BARTENDER'S STORY. JERRY GENTRY SAID HE'D BEEN IN 1009 00:56:04,898 --> 00:56:09,836 CALIFORNIA THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER 1010 00:56:09,836 --> 00:56:11,037 GARY UPTON SAID HE'D BEEN HOME WHAT'S MORE, THE DETECTIVES 1011 00:56:11,037 --> 00:56:16,242 FOUND ZERO EVIDENCE KEN HAD BEEN DEALING DRUGS. 1012 00:56:16,242 --> 00:56:17,510 THERE'S A LOT OF DEAD ENDS IN THIS CASE. 1013 00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:19,479 >> LOT OF DEAD ENDS. >> Reporter: FOR A WHILE, THE 1014 00:56:19,479 --> 00:56:26,286 LEAD ABOUT THE THREE GUYS FROM MONSTER HALL WENT NOWHERE. 1015 00:56:26,286 --> 00:56:28,355 UNTIL SEVERAL YEARS LATER, A WOMAN POPPED UP WITH HER OWN 1016 00:56:28,355 --> 00:56:29,689 STORY ABOUT ONE OF THOSE GUYS. RAINI, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEARS 1017 00:56:29,689 --> 00:56:35,095 ABOUT SITTING HERE TODAY AND TELLING YOUR STORY 1018 00:56:35,095 --> 00:56:36,229 >> YES >> Reporter: RAINI IS THE 1019 00:56:36,229 --> 00:56:38,832 EX-WIFE OF GARY UPTON, THE GUY WHO WORKED IN THE HAUNTED HOUSE. 1020 00:56:38,832 --> 00:56:41,668 SHE SAYS GARY TOLD HER SOMETHING NEARLY EIGHT YEARS AFTER THE 1021 00:56:41,668 --> 00:56:46,573 MURDER ACCORDING TO RAINI, GARY SAID HE 1022 00:56:46,573 --> 00:56:47,774 WAS THERE AT KEN'S HOUSE WITH SOME OTHER GUYS THE NIGHT KEN 1023 00:56:47,774 --> 00:56:49,376 WAS MURDERED >> AND THEY WENT IN THE HOUSE. 1024 00:56:49,376 --> 00:56:51,211 AND HE SAYS, "BY THE TIME EVERYTHING WAS DONE, KEN WAS 1025 00:56:51,211 --> 00:56:56,349 DEAD HE WAS DEFINITELY DEAD." 1026 00:56:56,349 --> 00:56:58,151 >> Reporter: UNLIKE THE BARTENDER'S STORY, HER STORY PUT 1027 00:56:58,151 --> 00:57:00,453 KEN'S BUSINESS PARTNER RANDALL LANDWEHR SQUARELY AT THE 1028 00:57:00,453 --> 00:57:01,521 CENTER OF THE CRIME. >> RANDALL HAD ASKED GARY 1029 00:57:01,521 --> 00:57:03,857 SEVERAL TIMES IF HE WOULD KILL KEN. 1030 00:57:03,857 --> 00:57:07,260 AND GARY WOULD CONTINUOUSLY TELL HIM NO 1031 00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:09,029 AND HE SAYS, "FINALLY, ONE DAY, I JUST SAID, 'OKAY, I'LL DO 1032 00:57:09,029 --> 00:57:10,663 IT.' >> Reporter: SO HE'S, LIKE, A 1033 00:57:10,663 --> 00:57:17,504 HITMAN ESSENTIALLY >> YES 1034 00:57:17,504 --> 00:57:18,705 >> Reporter: RAINI SAYS GARY TOLD HER TO KEEP QUIET, BUT SHE 1035 00:57:18,705 --> 00:57:19,739 EVENTUALLY WORKED UP THE COURAGE TO CALL THE POLICE 1036 00:57:19,739 --> 00:57:23,777 >> IT WAS, LIKE, ALMOST A TWO-HOUR INTERVIEW THAT DAY. 1037 00:57:23,777 --> 00:57:25,445 >> Reporter: SHE EVEN HANDED OVER A SHOTGUN SHE SAYS SHE 1038 00:57:25,445 --> 00:57:26,179 FOUND HIDDEN IN GARY'S BELONGINGS 1039 00:57:26,179 --> 00:57:28,314 AND YOU THINK THIS MIGHT BE THE MURDER WEAPON? 1040 00:57:28,314 --> 00:57:36,056 >> YES >> Reporter: WAS THIS THE BREAK 1041 00:57:36,056 --> 00:57:40,560 EVERYONE HAD BEEN WAITING FOR? >>> COMING UP -- 1042 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,230 A NEW DETECTIVE WITH NEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTOR KNOWN 1043 00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:47,167 AS EDDIE MUNSTER AND ABOUT THE WIDOW CINDY. 1044 00:57:47,167 --> 00:58:05,585 >> Reporter: YOU THINK SHE'S COMPLETELY ACTING ON THOSE 1045 00:58:05,585 --> 00:58:07,887 >> Reporter: THERE WAS A BRAND-NEW WITNESS IN THE 1046 00:58:07,887 --> 00:58:10,190 KEN JUEDES MURDER INVESTIGATION, A WOMAN WHO SAID ONE OF THE GUYS 1047 00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:14,094 FROM MONSTER HALL TOLD HER HE WAS INVOLVED 1048 00:58:14,094 --> 00:58:19,032 AND A MYSTERY SHOTGUN STASHED AWAY IN HIS BELONGINGS 1049 00:58:19,032 --> 00:58:20,934 BUT WHEN INVESTIGATORS SAT HIM DOWN FOR AN INTERVIEW, 1050 00:58:20,934 --> 00:58:24,637 GARY UPTON SAID HIS EX-WIFE RAINI HAD GONE OFF THE RAILS 1051 00:58:24,637 --> 00:58:28,608 GARY TOLD THE INVESTIGATORS THAT YOU'RE A LIAR. 1052 00:58:28,608 --> 00:58:29,743 YOU MADE UP THE ENTIRE CONFESSION STORY 1053 00:58:29,743 --> 00:58:31,745 >> I'M SURE HE DID >> Reporter: NOT ONLY THAT, HE 1054 00:58:31,745 --> 00:58:38,585 SAYS THAT YOU WERE PAID OFF TO MAKE ALL THIS UP AND THAT HE HAS 1055 00:58:38,585 --> 00:58:39,719 EMAILS TO PROVE IT >> OH, HE SAID THAT? 1056 00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:40,887 >> Reporter: DID YOU EVER ACCEPT ANY MONEY FROM ANYONE TO - 1057 00:58:40,887 --> 00:58:41,721 >> NO. >> Reporter: -- MAKE UP STORIES 1058 00:58:41,721 --> 00:58:45,425 ABOUT GARY >> NO. 1059 00:58:45,425 --> 00:58:49,129 >> Reporter: THAT'S A HARSH ACCUSATION HE'S MAKING ABOUT 1060 00:58:49,129 --> 00:58:50,363 YOU. >> IF YOU WERE IN THAT PLACE, 1061 00:58:50,363 --> 00:58:51,731 YOU'D PROBABLY FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE I WAS 1062 00:58:51,731 --> 00:58:56,670 LYING ABOUT IT TOO, WOULDN'T YOU? 1063 00:58:56,670 --> 00:58:57,637 >> Reporter: AFTER A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH 1064 00:58:57,637 --> 00:59:02,575 INVESTIGATORS, RAINI SAYS THEY NEVER CONTACTED HER AGAIN. 1065 00:59:02,575 --> 00:59:09,315 THAT GUN SHE FOUND POLICE SAID IT WAS THE WRONG 1066 00:59:09,315 --> 00:59:10,383 GAUGE, NOT THE MURDER WEAPON THE CASE SEEMED TO STALL 1067 00:59:10,383 --> 00:59:13,887 YEARS PASSED AND KEN'S FAMILY STARTED TO LOSE HOPE 1068 00:59:13,887 --> 00:59:19,259 HOW FRUSTRATING WAS IT FOR YOU, MARGARET, THAT ALL THIS TIME WAS 1069 00:59:19,259 --> 00:59:21,795 PASSING AND THERE WAS NO ARREST? >> JUST WAS TERRIBLE, YEAH 1070 00:59:21,795 --> 00:59:27,667 AT NIGHT YOU'D -- COULDN'T SLEEP VERY WELL. 1071 00:59:27,667 --> 00:59:29,035 >> MY MOTHER WAITED EVERY DAY FOR A PHONE CALL FROM THE POLICE 1072 00:59:29,035 --> 00:59:32,906 THAT NEVER CAME. >> Reporter: YOUR FAMILY PUT ADS 1073 00:59:32,906 --> 00:59:37,944 IN THE NEWSPAPER ON THE ANNIVERSARIES -- 1074 00:59:37,944 --> 00:59:38,845 >> YES, YES. >> Reporter: -- OF KEN'S DEATH 1075 00:59:38,845 --> 00:59:40,046 >> YEP WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT 1076 00:59:40,046 --> 00:59:46,786 DIDN'T BECOME A DEAD CASE AND THE -- AND THAT -- THAT THEY 1077 00:59:46,786 --> 00:59:48,054 WERE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT. >> Reporter: AND THEN FINALLY, 1078 00:59:48,054 --> 00:59:49,255 TEN YEARS AFTER THE MURDER, THE FAMILY GOT A CALL ABOUT A NEW 1079 00:59:49,255 --> 00:59:55,295 DETECTIVE. HIS NAME 1080 00:59:55,295 --> 00:59:58,131 DENNIS BLASER. >> I HAD A REPUTATION OF LOOKING 1081 00:59:58,131 --> 01:00:02,135 AT CASES AND NOT LETTING IT GO UNTIL THERE WAS A RESOLUTION 1082 01:00:02,135 --> 01:00:04,637 >> Reporter: HE'D BEEN HANDPICKED BY THE ORIGINAL 1083 01:00:04,637 --> 01:00:07,807 DETECTIVES TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT THE CASE. 1084 01:00:07,807 --> 01:00:10,377 >> I HAD A WHITE BOARD THAT WAS, LIKE, FOUR BY SIX. 1085 01:00:10,377 --> 01:00:13,780 AND AT ONE POINT, IT WAS FULL OF PEOPLE THAT I NEEDED TO 1086 01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:18,118 INTERVIEW. >> Reporter: AS YOU'RE GOING 1087 01:00:18,118 --> 01:00:23,189 THROUGH ALL THESE SUSPECTS, ARE YOU KEEPING EVERYBODY ON THE 1088 01:00:23,189 --> 01:00:25,392 TABLE IN THE BEGINNING >> EVERYBODY STARTED ON IT 1089 01:00:25,392 --> 01:00:30,296 >> Reporter: DETECTIVE BLASER QUICKLY RULED OUT KEN'S KIDS AND 1090 01:00:30,296 --> 01:00:31,731 THE FOSTER KIDS. THAT STILL LEFT A LONG LIST OF 1091 01:00:31,731 --> 01:00:33,700 POTENTIAL SUSPECTS -- KEN'S WIDOW, CINDY 1092 01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:37,404 THE BUSINESS PARTNER THE BARTENDER. 1093 01:00:37,404 --> 01:00:43,943 AND THE THREE MEN THE BARTENDER IMPLICATED IN KEN'S KILLING. 1094 01:00:43,943 --> 01:00:45,378 THIS IS REALLY, LIKE, A CENTRAL PART OF THE MURDER 1095 01:00:45,378 --> 01:00:46,513 INVESTIGATION, THIS TRACK. >> YES 1096 01:00:46,513 --> 01:00:48,782 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE HEADED BACK TO MONSTER HALL 1097 01:00:48,782 --> 01:00:51,351 RACEWAY. RANDALL LANDWEHR NO LONGER OWNED 1098 01:00:51,351 --> 01:00:55,555 THE TRACK. HE'D MOVED OUT OF STATE. 1099 01:00:55,555 --> 01:00:58,158 BUT BLASER FOUND HIS SISTER WHO BACKED UP HIS ALIBI. 1100 01:00:58,158 --> 01:01:00,493 >> SHE SAID THAT HE WAS AT HOME WITH HER AND HER KIDS AND THEY 1101 01:01:00,493 --> 01:01:02,362 WERE WATCHING MOVIES AT -- THAT NIGHT. 1102 01:01:02,362 --> 01:01:04,164 >> Reporter: HOW IMPORTANT WAS THAT TO YOU TO GET THAT PIECE OF 1103 01:01:04,164 --> 01:01:07,834 INFORMATION? >> IT'S SOMEBODY WHO WAS ABLE TO 1104 01:01:07,834 --> 01:01:11,271 TELL ME WHERE RANDALL WAS AT THE TIME OF THE HOMICIDE 1105 01:01:11,271 --> 01:01:12,639 >> Reporter: HE STILL HAD TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THOUGH 1106 01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:17,510 DID RANDALL GET SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT? 1107 01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:20,080 THE DETECTIVE GOT RANDALL ON THE PHONE. 1108 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,816 >> YOU DIDN'T LINE ANYONE UP TO HELP KILL KEN, ANYTHING LIKE 1109 01:01:22,816 --> 01:01:29,489 THAT >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. 1110 01:01:29,489 --> 01:01:30,657 HOW WOULD A PERSON LIVE THEMSELVES 1111 01:01:30,657 --> 01:01:31,758 I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY. 1112 01:01:31,758 --> 01:01:32,926 >> Reporter: BUT WHAT ABOUT BRIAN THE BARTENDER'S STORY OF 1113 01:01:32,926 --> 01:01:38,865 DRIVING THREE MEN TO KEN'S HOUSE THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER? 1114 01:01:38,865 --> 01:01:40,133 THE BARTENDER TOLD THE DETECTIVE EVERYTHING HE SAID BEFORE WAS A 1115 01:01:40,133 --> 01:01:42,268 LIE. HE SAID HE HADN'T EVEN BEEN IN 1116 01:01:42,268 --> 01:01:44,270 TOWN THAT NIGHT. >> YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED? 1117 01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:45,972 >> NO, I WAS NOT INVOLVED. >> AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO WAS? 1118 01:01:45,972 --> 01:01:51,111 >> NO. >> Reporter: WHY MAKE IT UP 1119 01:01:51,111 --> 01:01:52,278 THOUGH WHY WOULD YOU PUT YOURSELF AT A 1120 01:01:52,278 --> 01:01:54,814 SCENE OF A CRIME THAT YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED IN? 1121 01:01:54,814 --> 01:01:58,752 >> WE TALK A LOT OF TIMES ABOUT PEOPLE NOT MAKING SENSE. 1122 01:01:58,752 --> 01:02:02,455 BRIAN DIDN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE HE'S AN ALCOHOLIC TRYING TO GET 1123 01:02:02,455 --> 01:02:05,592 OUT OF A FELONY OWI CHARGE >> Reporter: DID BRIAN HAVE A 1124 01:02:05,592 --> 01:02:08,461 DECENT ALIBI >> NOT THAT I COULD EVER PROVE 1125 01:02:08,461 --> 01:02:11,297 NONE OF THESE PEOPLE I COULD PROVE. 1126 01:02:11,297 --> 01:02:18,405 >> Reporter: THERE WERE NO RECORDS TO PROVE CALIFORNIA 1127 01:02:18,405 --> 01:02:22,776 JERRY WAS IN CALIFORNIA. AND AS FOR THE ACTOR WHO ONCE 1128 01:02:22,776 --> 01:02:25,845 PLAYED EDDIE MUNSTER >> I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS AS 1129 01:02:25,845 --> 01:02:26,913 INFORMAL AS I CAN, SIR >> Reporter: DETECTIVE BLASER 1130 01:02:26,913 --> 01:02:27,814 SURPRISED THE ACTOR AT A WISCONSIN CAR SHOW 1131 01:02:27,814 --> 01:02:29,082 HE SAID HE COULDN'T REMEMBER WHERE HE'D BEEN THE NIGHT OF THE 1132 01:02:29,082 --> 01:02:30,283 MURDER >> OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T THERE. 1133 01:02:30,283 --> 01:02:34,187 BUT I TRAVEL SO MUCH IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT AN EXACT 1134 01:02:34,187 --> 01:02:38,091 DATE NINE OR TEN YEARS AGO >> Reporter: HE SAID HIS OLD 1135 01:02:38,091 --> 01:02:40,093 PROMOTER MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP BUT INSTEAD OF BACKING HIM UP, 1136 01:02:40,093 --> 01:02:43,263 THE PROMOTER TOLD THE DETECTIVE SHE WAS PRETTY SURE HE'D BEEN IN 1137 01:02:43,263 --> 01:02:47,467 WISCONSIN AROUND THE TIME OF THE MURDER 1138 01:02:47,467 --> 01:02:48,902 >> DID HE ADMIT TO YOU A ALL THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN 1139 01:02:48,902 --> 01:02:53,707 THIS >> I'M GOING TO SAY NO COMMENT 1140 01:02:53,707 --> 01:02:54,874 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE COULDN'T FIND ANY RECORDS TO 1141 01:02:54,874 --> 01:02:58,578 PROVE WHERE THE ACTOR HAD ACTUALLY BEEN. 1142 01:02:58,578 --> 01:03:03,416 FINALLY DETECTIVE BLASER HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH 1143 01:03:03,416 --> 01:03:05,251 RAINI, GARY UPTON'S EX-WIFE. HE LISTENED TO THE PREVIOUS 1144 01:03:05,251 --> 01:03:09,956 INVESTIGATORS' INTERVIEWS WITH BOTH HER AND UPTON 1145 01:03:09,956 --> 01:03:11,925 >> WHAT'S RAINI GOT HER TEETH OUT AGAINST YOU SO MUCH FOR? 1146 01:03:11,925 --> 01:03:13,660 >> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HER DEAL IS 1147 01:03:13,660 --> 01:03:18,198 WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A BAD MARRIAGE 1148 01:03:18,198 --> 01:03:21,067 >> Reporter: BLASER DECIDED RAINI WASN'T CREDIBLE. 1149 01:03:21,067 --> 01:03:24,471 HE BELIEVED SHE WAS JUST SORE ABOUT A BAD BREAK-UP 1150 01:03:24,471 --> 01:03:27,307 HE DIDN'T EVEN INTERVIEW HER WHY DIDN'T YOU INTERVIEW HER IF 1151 01:03:27,307 --> 01:03:28,742 YOU'RE TAKING A NEW LOOK AT THE CASE WHEN -- DON'T YOU THINK 1152 01:03:28,742 --> 01:03:32,145 THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO? 1153 01:03:32,145 --> 01:03:36,983 >> FROM WATCHING THE INTERVIEW THAT DCI DID WITH HER -- I 1154 01:03:36,983 --> 01:03:42,889 WATCHED IT MULTIPLE TIMES IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 1155 01:03:42,889 --> 01:03:45,525 >> Reporter: FOR THE RECORD, RAINI SAYS THAT SHE IS 1156 01:03:45,525 --> 01:03:46,760 100% TELLING THE TRUTH AND THAT THIS WAS NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 1157 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,794 REVENGE OR A GRUDGE. SHE WAS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT 1158 01:03:47,794 --> 01:03:54,801 THING. >> BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT 1159 01:03:54,801 --> 01:03:59,472 RAINI WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVE WAS 1160 01:03:59,472 --> 01:04:00,540 FAR MORE INTERESTED IN ANOTHER WOMAN IN THE CASE FILE 1161 01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:04,577 ANOTHER WOMAN HE THOUGHT WAS LYING. 1162 01:04:04,577 --> 01:04:05,578 KEN'S WIDOW, CINDY IN FACT, HE BELIEVED THE VERY 1163 01:04:05,578 --> 01:04:08,581 FIRST WORDS OUT OF HER MOUTH ABOUT KEN'S DEATH HAD BEEN LIES. 1164 01:04:08,581 --> 01:04:10,483 YOU THINK SHE'S COMPLETELY ACTING ON THE 911 CALLS. 1165 01:04:10,483 --> 01:04:13,119 >> YES YES. 1166 01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:16,523 >> I DIDN'T KNOW HE DIDN'T GO TO WORK 1167 01:04:16,523 --> 01:04:19,092 I JUST SAW HIS CAR >> Reporter: SOUNDS QUITE 1168 01:04:19,092 --> 01:04:21,928 FRANTIC. >> EVERYTHING IN THERE IS ABOUT 1169 01:04:21,928 --> 01:04:28,568 CINDY. "I, I, I 1170 01:04:28,568 --> 01:04:31,204 I FOUND MY HUSBAND." IT'S NOT ABOUT ASKING FOR HELP 1171 01:04:31,204 --> 01:04:32,605 FOR KEN. >> Reporter: HE THOUGHT CINDY'S 1172 01:04:32,605 --> 01:04:34,074 DESCRIPTION OF HOW SHE'D FOUND KEN'S BODY WAS JUST AS FISHY 1173 01:04:34,074 --> 01:04:38,078 >> SHE SAID WHEN SHE GOT UP IN THE MORNING, SHE WENT INTO THE 1174 01:04:38,078 --> 01:04:39,713 HOUSE AND SHE WENT TO THE BATHROOM 1175 01:04:39,713 --> 01:04:42,082 >> Reporter: CINDY TOLD DETECTIVES SHE WALKED THROUGH 1176 01:04:42,082 --> 01:04:46,286 THE HOUSE TO GET TO THE BATHROOM, THEN BACK INTO THE 1177 01:04:46,286 --> 01:04:49,689 LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN BEFORE FINALLY HEADING TO THE BEDROOM 1178 01:04:49,689 --> 01:04:53,393 BUT WHEN THE DETECTIVE MAPPED OUT HER ROUTE, IT DIDN'T MAKE 1179 01:04:53,393 --> 01:04:56,529 SENSE TO HIM >> THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE IS TO 1180 01:04:56,529 --> 01:04:59,366 COME INTO THE HOUSE AND MAKE A RIGHT TURN GO THROUGH THE 1181 01:04:59,366 --> 01:05:01,634 BEDROOM INTO THE MASTER BATH BUT THEN SHE WOULD'VE HAD TO 1182 01:05:01,634 --> 01:05:02,702 WALK RIGHT PAST KEN. >> Reporter: SHE WOULD HAVE SEEN 1183 01:05:02,702 --> 01:05:05,605 KEN RIGHT AWAY >> AS SOON AS SHE WALKED IN THE 1184 01:05:05,605 --> 01:05:07,807 BEDROOM DOOR >> Reporter: TOO HARD TO MISS, 1185 01:05:07,807 --> 01:05:10,443 IN YOUR OPINION, IF SHE CAME IN FROM THE CAMPER? 1186 01:05:10,443 --> 01:05:17,851 >> YES IT IS VERY OBVIOUS 1187 01:05:17,851 --> 01:05:19,052 >> Reporter: BUT THE CLINCHER FOR THE DETECTIVE WAS THIS 1188 01:05:19,052 --> 01:05:20,453 CERTAIN THINGS HAD TO BE IN PLACE FOR THE MURDER TO HAPPEN 1189 01:05:20,453 --> 01:05:23,823 THAT ONLY CINDY WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT. 1190 01:05:23,823 --> 01:05:25,825 KEN, USUALLY SO CONSCIOUS OF SECURITY, HAD LEFT ALL THE DOORS 1191 01:05:25,825 --> 01:05:28,661 UNLOCKED A HOUSE OFTEN FULL OF FOSTER 1192 01:05:28,661 --> 01:05:32,966 KIDS WAS EMPTY THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS WERE 1193 01:05:32,966 --> 01:05:35,201 SWITCHED OFF AND IT TURNS OUT KEN WASN'T JUST 1194 01:05:35,201 --> 01:05:39,172 NAKED. HE WAS PASSED OUT DRUNK ON HIS 1195 01:05:39,172 --> 01:05:41,174 BED, UNABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF. >> TO HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS 1196 01:05:41,174 --> 01:05:46,312 LINE UP, SHE HAD TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT 1197 01:05:46,312 --> 01:05:52,385 >> Reporter: IT HAD BEEN YEARS SINCE INVESTIGATORS HAD SPOKEN 1198 01:05:52,385 --> 01:05:53,219 TO CINDY SO DETECTIVE BLASER PICKED UP 1199 01:05:53,219 --> 01:05:55,422 THE PHONE AND CALLED HER >> WOULD I BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN 1200 01:05:55,422 --> 01:06:00,794 AND TALK WITH YOU? >> I SUPPOSED YOU COULD, YEAH. 1201 01:06:00,794 --> 01:06:02,128 >>> COMING UP -- >> WHEN THEY SAID THEY WERE 1202 01:06:02,128 --> 01:06:06,499 COMING, CINDY WAS JUST SO EXCITED. 1203 01:06:06,499 --> 01:06:07,934 "FINALLY FINALLY THEY'RE GOING TO DO 1204 01:06:07,934 --> 01:06:11,905 SOMETHING. >> CINDY'S EXCITEMENT WOULD NOT 1205 01:06:11,905 --> 01:06:13,306 LAST LONG. >> YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE I 1206 01:06:13,306 --> 01:06:33,960 COULD HAVE DONE THAT >> OH, DEFINITELY. 1207 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,196 >> Reporter: CINDY'S LIFE HAD CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE 1208 01:06:36,196 --> 01:06:41,801 YEARS SINCE THE MURDER SHE'D SOLD KEN'S FARMHOUSE, 1209 01:06:41,801 --> 01:06:42,969 MOVED IN WITH HER DAUGHTER, AND WRITTEN A NOVEL IN WHICH A 1210 01:06:42,969 --> 01:06:43,837 HUSBAND COVERS UP THE MURDER OF HIS WIFE 1211 01:06:43,837 --> 01:06:51,544 THE TITLE? "SPIDER LAKE." 1212 01:06:51,544 --> 01:06:52,879 BUT PAM SAYS KEN WAS NEVER FAR FROM HER SISTER'S MIND 1213 01:06:52,879 --> 01:06:56,082 >> WHEN THEY SAID THEY WERE COMING TO INTERVIEW HER, CINDY 1214 01:06:56,082 --> 01:06:58,651 WAS JUST SO EXCITED. BECAUSE SHE SAID, "FINALLY 1215 01:06:58,651 --> 01:07:07,460 FINALLY THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO FIND WHO KILLED MY 1216 01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:08,595 KENNY. >> WHERE ARE WE GOING? 1217 01:07:08,595 --> 01:07:09,562 >> IN MY KITCHEN >> Reporter: DETECTIVE BLASER 1218 01:07:09,562 --> 01:07:10,397 AND HIS PARTNER MET CINDY AT HER HOUSE. 1219 01:07:10,397 --> 01:07:16,870 THEY ASKED HER TO TELL HER STORY ONE MORE TIME. 1220 01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:18,271 SHE DESCRIBED THOSE TERRIBLE HEADACHES AND KEN TUCKING HER 1221 01:07:18,271 --> 01:07:20,407 INTO BED IN THE CAMPER TO SLEEP. >> HE SAID, "MAKE SURE YOU TAKE 1222 01:07:20,407 --> 01:07:24,044 YOUR MEDS AND TAKE EVERYTHING THAT I PUT OUT SO," I WAS REALLY 1223 01:07:24,044 --> 01:07:25,045 MEDICATED. >> Reporter: SHE SAID THE 1224 01:07:25,045 --> 01:07:26,813 SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS WERE SWITCHED OFF, BUT THAT WAS 1225 01:07:26,813 --> 01:07:30,850 NORMAL >> HE'D ALWAYS WANT IT OFF 1226 01:07:30,850 --> 01:07:32,118 BECAUSE THE HUMMING WAS SO LOUD. >> Reporter: IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG 1227 01:07:32,118 --> 01:07:36,489 FOR HER TO POINT HER FINGER YET AGAIN AT KEN'S KIDS. 1228 01:07:36,489 --> 01:07:39,626 AND NOT JUST THE KIDS. >> WELL, I THINK THAT ALEX 1229 01:07:39,626 --> 01:07:42,195 PROBABLY HAD THE GUN BUT I THINK THERE WAS MORE THAN 1230 01:07:42,195 --> 01:07:45,065 ONE INVOLVED AND I KNOW THAT BETTY -- WELL, 1231 01:07:45,065 --> 01:07:48,768 FOR ONE THING, I KNOW THAT BETTY JUEDES, HIS MOTHER, PUT 1232 01:07:48,768 --> 01:07:52,706 THAT IDEA IN HIS HEAD. AND LAURIE RENNE, KEN'S SISTER, 1233 01:07:52,706 --> 01:07:56,109 HATED KEN. >> DO YOU KNOW WHO SHOT KEN? 1234 01:07:56,109 --> 01:08:01,014 >> I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS - >> LET'S JUST GO YES OR NO 1235 01:08:01,014 --> 01:08:03,717 DO YOU KNOW WHO SHOT KEN >> NO, NOT POSITIVELY. 1236 01:08:03,717 --> 01:08:06,920 >> DID YOU SHOOT KEN >> NO, I DID NOT 1237 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,357 NO >> Reporter: HOW DOES SHE FEEL 1238 01:08:10,357 --> 01:08:13,159 AS YOU'RE KIND OF PUSHING BACK >> IT GOT PRETTY CONTENTIOUS 1239 01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:16,930 DURING THE COURSE OF THE INTERVIEW. 1240 01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:24,270 >> DO YOU THINK I'M LYING? >> I'M ON THE FENCE. 1241 01:08:24,270 --> 01:08:25,505 >> YOU'RE ON THE FENCE SO YOU THINK THAT IT'S POSSIBLE 1242 01:08:25,505 --> 01:08:27,674 THAT I COULD HAVE DONE THAT? >> OH, DEFINITELY. 1243 01:08:27,674 --> 01:08:31,644 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES SUGGESTED CINDY MIGHT HAVE SHOT 1244 01:08:31,644 --> 01:08:32,779 KEN DURING AN ARGUMENT SHE SAID THEY NEVER FOUGHT 1245 01:08:32,779 --> 01:08:37,650 >> SO YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS GOING ON. 1246 01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:38,785 THERE'S THREATS OF LAWSUITS AND LOSING MONEY 1247 01:08:38,785 --> 01:08:41,654 AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT 1248 01:08:41,654 --> 01:08:43,823 AND YET YOU GUYS NEVER BICKERED. TEMPERS NEVER GOT FLARED 1249 01:08:43,823 --> 01:08:49,796 NOBODY EVER GOT UPSET. >> NOPE, NOPE. 1250 01:08:49,796 --> 01:08:56,069 >> I'M GONNA -- I'M GONNA CALL [ BLEEP ] 1251 01:08:56,069 --> 01:08:57,103 >> YOU'RE GONNA CALL ME -- >> I'M GONNA CALL -- ON THAT 1252 01:08:57,103 --> 01:08:58,338 >> YOU'RE GONNA CALL ME A LIAR >> Reporter: IS SHE ASKING FOR A 1253 01:08:58,338 --> 01:08:59,139 LAWYER IS SHE TELLING YOU, "OKAY, YOU 1254 01:08:59,139 --> 01:09:00,006 CAN GO NOW?" >> NO. 1255 01:09:00,006 --> 01:09:02,242 >> Reporter: THE DETECTIVES PRESSED CINDY AGAIN AND AGAIN TO 1256 01:09:02,242 --> 01:09:03,476 GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF EXPLANATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. 1257 01:09:03,476 --> 01:09:08,248 >> I WANT YOU TO TELL US - >> YOU WANT ME TO MAKE UP A 1258 01:09:08,248 --> 01:09:09,449 STORY. >> I DON'T WANT YOU TO MAKE UP A 1259 01:09:09,449 --> 01:09:10,283 STORY. >> KEN WAS DRUNK AND I GRABBED A 1260 01:09:10,283 --> 01:09:11,351 GUN AND I SHOT HIM >> IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED 1261 01:09:11,351 --> 01:09:12,218 >> HA! -- NO. 1262 01:09:12,218 --> 01:09:14,754 >> THEN WHAT HAPPENED? >> I WENT TO BED 1263 01:09:14,754 --> 01:09:21,094 I WOKE UP TO A DEAD HUSBAND. WHAT DON'T YOU GET ABOUT THAT? 1264 01:09:21,094 --> 01:09:27,901 >> Reporter: AFTER SEVEN HOURS OF TALKING, CINDY ASKED THE 1265 01:09:27,901 --> 01:09:30,270 DETECTIVES TO LEAVE. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 1266 01:09:30,270 --> 01:09:31,438 BETWEEN -- AT THIS POINT, THIS IS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR GOD. 1267 01:09:31,438 --> 01:09:32,205 >> AND I'M GOOD WITH GOD >> AND KEN 1268 01:09:32,205 --> 01:09:33,239 >> AND I'M GOOD WITH KEN >> Reporter: THE INTERVIEW 1269 01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:38,678 PRODUCED FIREWORKS BUT NO SMOKING GUN. 1270 01:09:38,678 --> 01:09:41,314 EVEN SO, THE DETECTIVE SHARED EVERYTHING HE HAD WITH MARATHON 1271 01:09:41,314 --> 01:09:46,386 COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY THERESA WETZSTEON. 1272 01:09:46,386 --> 01:09:47,754 YOU DECIDED AFTER THAT FINAL INTERVIEW WITH CINDY THAT YOU 1273 01:09:47,754 --> 01:09:49,222 WOULD GO AHEAD AND PRESS CHARGES. 1274 01:09:49,222 --> 01:09:56,062 WHAT WAS THE TIPPING POINT THAT YOU FINALLY SAID, "AFTER ALL 1275 01:09:56,062 --> 01:09:57,797 THESE YEARS, LET'S GO GET HER" >> AT THAT POINT, I FELT THAT 1276 01:09:57,797 --> 01:10:06,039 THE DETECTIVES HAD DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY COULD DO. 1277 01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:07,207 THIS WAS THE CASE. THIS WAS AS GOOD AS IT WAS GONNA 1278 01:10:07,207 --> 01:10:08,575 GET. WITNESSES WERE GETTING OLDER 1279 01:10:08,575 --> 01:10:14,547 MEMORIES WERE FAILING. SO IT WAS TIME 1280 01:10:14,547 --> 01:10:21,354 IT WAS TIME TO BRING IT FORTH. >> Reporter: SHE SENT DETECTIVE 1281 01:10:21,354 --> 01:10:22,589 BLASER TO ARREST CINDY AT HOME WHAT'S HER LOOK ON HER FACE WHEN 1282 01:10:22,589 --> 01:10:27,627 YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, AND YOU'VE GOT THE 1283 01:10:27,627 --> 01:10:34,467 CUFFS? >> SHE KEPT SAYING THAT I DIDN'T 1284 01:10:34,467 --> 01:10:37,003 DO THIS. I DIDN'T SHOOT MY HUSBAND. 1285 01:10:37,003 --> 01:10:41,741 >> Reporter: HOW SURPRISED WAS SHE? 1286 01:10:41,741 --> 01:10:42,842 >> LET'S JUST SAY SH DOESN'T LIKE ME VERY WELL. 1287 01:10:42,842 --> 01:10:44,611 >> DENNIS SENT US A PICTURE OF HER MUGSHOT OF BEING BOOKED INTO 1288 01:10:44,611 --> 01:10:46,012 THE MARATHON COUNTY JAIL SO WE WERE HAPPY 1289 01:10:46,012 --> 01:10:48,281 WE WERE ALL VERY, VERY HAPPY >> AND FINALLY IT WAS A SENSE OF 1290 01:10:48,281 --> 01:10:51,284 RELIEF THAT THIS WAS -- WAS HAPPENING. 1291 01:10:51,284 --> 01:10:52,852 >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR WASN'T READY TO CELEBRATE JUST 1292 01:10:52,852 --> 01:10:55,689 YET. SHE KNEW HER CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE 1293 01:10:55,689 --> 01:11:00,527 WAS NO SLAM DUNK THERE WERE PLENTY OF ALTERNATE 1294 01:11:00,527 --> 01:11:04,497 SUSPECTS WITH SHAKY ALIBIS THE DEFENSE COULD POINT TO 1295 01:11:04,497 --> 01:11:09,069 SO SHE CHARGED CINDY NOT WITH PULLING THE TRIGGER HERSELF, BUT 1296 01:11:09,069 --> 01:11:15,608 WITH BEING PARTY TO THE MURDER ARE YOU ESSENTIALLY SAYING YOU 1297 01:11:15,608 --> 01:11:18,712 DON'T KNOW IF CINDY ACTED ALONE? >> I AM SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW 1298 01:11:18,712 --> 01:11:20,180 IF CINDY ACTED ALONE, YES. >> Reporter: BUT WHEN CINDY'S 1299 01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:26,720 MURDER TRIAL OPENED AT THE MARATHON COUNTY COURTHOUSE 1300 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:27,987 15 YEARS AFTER KEN'S DEATH, THE PROSECUTOR HAD ONE SOLE FOCUS -- 1301 01:11:27,987 --> 01:11:31,257 CINDY. >> THE DEFENDANT HAD FOUND 1302 01:11:31,257 --> 01:11:39,232 HERSELF THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGG 1303 01:11:39,232 --> 01:11:40,433 >> Reporter: GREED HAD DRIVEN CINDY TO KILL, THE PROSECUTOR 1304 01:11:40,433 --> 01:11:41,968 TOLD THE JURY. SHE SAID CINDY HAD BEEN 1305 01:11:41,968 --> 01:11:45,505 ATTRACTED TO KEN FOR HIS PHARMACIST'S INCOME AND THAT 1306 01:11:45,505 --> 01:11:54,114 BEAUTIFUL FARM BUT EVEN THAT WASN'T ENOUGH. 1307 01:11:54,114 --> 01:11:58,918 >> SHE GREW IMPATIENT. SHE KNEW THE GOLDEN EGG'S REAL 1308 01:11:58,918 --> 01:12:01,955 WEALTH, $1.2 MILLION, WASN'T HERS UNTIL KEN WAS DEAD. 1309 01:12:01,955 --> 01:12:05,592 >> Reporter: AND THEN THE PROSECUTOR CALLED WITNESSES TO 1310 01:12:05,592 --> 01:12:10,397 SHOW HOW CINDY HAD METHODICALLY STACKED UP INSURANCE POLICY ON 1311 01:12:10,397 --> 01:12:16,236 TOP OF INSURANCE POLICY. >> THIS ONE IS JUST A FLAT FEE 1312 01:12:16,236 --> 01:12:20,206 $280,000 IF THE DEATH OCCURRED >> THE AMOUNT OF THE COVERAGE 1313 01:12:20,206 --> 01:12:25,345 WAS $301,000 >> Reporter: FIVE POLICIES THAT 1314 01:12:25,345 --> 01:12:28,715 ADDED UP TO NEARLY $1 MILLION. THROW IN THE PROPERTY CINDY 1315 01:12:28,715 --> 01:12:31,084 INHERITED FROM KEN, SHE STOOD TO MAKE A FORTUNE FROM HIS DEATH. 1316 01:12:31,084 --> 01:12:34,154 AND CONTRARY TO WHAT CINDY TOLD INVESTIGATORS, THE PROSECUTOR 1317 01:12:34,154 --> 01:12:41,528 SAID THERE WAS TENSION IN THE MARRIAGE OVER MONEY. 1318 01:12:41,528 --> 01:12:43,129 THE NEIGHBOR LAURIE FOUND? HE TOLD THE JURY HE OVERHEARD 1319 01:12:43,129 --> 01:12:44,664 CINDY PUSHING KEN TO SELL SOME LAND 1320 01:12:44,664 --> 01:12:47,100 >> WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID SHE SAY THEY NEEDED TO SELL THE LAND 1321 01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:50,370 FOR? >> THEY NEEDED MONEY 1322 01:12:50,370 --> 01:12:53,573 >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR ARGUED THIS IS WHY CINDY HAD SET 1323 01:12:53,573 --> 01:13:01,448 IN MOTION A MURDER ONLY SHE COULD HAVE PULLED OFF. 1324 01:13:01,448 --> 01:13:05,685 >> THE ONLY ONE TO KNOW THAT THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM WAS OFF, THE 1325 01:13:05,685 --> 01:13:07,454 DOORS WERE UNLOCKED, THE FOSTER CHILDREN WOULD NOT BE THERE, WAS 1326 01:13:07,454 --> 01:13:10,290 THE DEFENDANT. >> Reporter: AND IF IT WAS HARD 1327 01:13:10,290 --> 01:13:15,395 TO BELIEVE THAT CINDY COULD BE COLD ENOUGH TO SHOOT HER HUSBAND 1328 01:13:15,395 --> 01:13:18,264 TWICE AT CLOSE RANGE, THE PROSECUTOR ASKED THE JURY TO 1329 01:13:18,264 --> 01:13:23,069 LISTEN TO HIS MOTHER, MARGARET >> HOW OLD ARE YOU, MS. JUEDES 1330 01:13:23,069 --> 01:13:24,204 >> 102 >> Reporter: DID YOU LOOK AT 1331 01:13:24,204 --> 01:13:30,510 CINDY IN THE COURTROOM >> NOT DIRECTLY. 1332 01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:37,984 BECAUSE SHE SAT ON THE SIDE, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE JURY, YOU 1333 01:13:37,984 --> 01:13:39,753 KNOW, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO >> Reporter: MARGARET TOLD THE 1334 01:13:39,753 --> 01:13:40,920 JURY HOW NICE CINDY SEEMED BEFORE KEN'S DEATH 1335 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:46,259 AFTERWARDS SHE WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON 1336 01:13:46,259 --> 01:13:49,662 >> I ASKED HER IF WE COULD HAVE THE BODY BACK SO WE COULD HAVE A 1337 01:13:49,662 --> 01:13:51,765 CHRISTIAN BURIAL AND SHE SAID NO. 1338 01:13:51,765 --> 01:13:58,471 SHE WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT 1339 01:13:58,471 --> 01:14:03,043 >> DID YOU HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH CINDY ABOUT HAVING ANY OF YOUR 1340 01:14:03,043 --> 01:14:06,880 SON'S REMAINS GIVEN TO YOU >> YES, BUT SHE SAID NO. 1341 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,849 >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR PLAYED A PLEADING VOICEMAIL 1342 01:14:09,849 --> 01:14:12,118 MARGARET LEFT CINDY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DON'T 1343 01:14:12,118 --> 01:14:18,091 GIVE ME A CALL BACK. MAYBE YOU WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT 1344 01:14:18,091 --> 01:14:24,064 WHO MURDERED HIM THAN WE DO. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL BACK 1345 01:14:24,064 --> 01:14:27,200 >> Reporter: CINDY DIDN'T. FINALLY THE PROSECUTOR DIRECTED 1346 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:32,339 THE JURY TO TAKE A LOOK AT ONE OF THE FIRST CLUES DETECTIVES 1347 01:14:32,339 --> 01:14:33,740 FOUND AT THE SCENE THAT NOTE LEFT ON CINDY'S 1348 01:14:33,740 --> 01:14:36,076 PILLOW SHE ASKED THEM TO CONSIDER WHO 1349 01:14:36,076 --> 01:14:39,746 HAD WRITTEN IT >> THERE WERE NOTES ON THE 1350 01:14:39,746 --> 01:14:43,717 MIRROR THAT WERE ACTUALLY AFFECTIONATE NOTES THAT CINDY 1351 01:14:43,717 --> 01:14:47,687 SCHULZ-JUEDES HAD PRETTY CLEARLY STATED WERE FROM KEN TO HER. 1352 01:14:47,687 --> 01:14:51,091 AND THERE WAS A VERY DISTINCT WAY OF WRITING A "B" THAT LOOKED 1353 01:14:51,091 --> 01:14:54,527 LIKE THE NUMBER 6. >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR TOLD 1354 01:14:54,527 --> 01:14:57,964 THE JURY TO CHECK THE "B" ON THE NOTE FOUND NEXT TO KEN'S BODY. 1355 01:14:57,964 --> 01:15:03,069 COULD KEN HAVE WRITTEN THAT TOO? THE DETECTIVE CERTAINLY THOUGHT 1356 01:15:03,069 --> 01:15:08,775 SO >> MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT 1357 01:15:08,775 --> 01:15:09,909 KEN AND CINDY WERE ARGUING THERE WAS A NOTE STABBED INTO 1358 01:15:09,909 --> 01:15:11,044 THE PILLOW ON HER SIDE OF THE BED. 1359 01:15:11,044 --> 01:15:15,048 I THINK THAT KEN JUST HAD ENOUGH THAT DAY 1360 01:15:15,048 --> 01:15:19,419 AND WHEN CINDY CAME IN AND SAW THE NOTE IN THE BED, SHE HAD 1361 01:15:19,419 --> 01:15:25,825 ENOUGH AND SHE JUST WENT AND GOT A SHOTGUN AND SHOT HER HUSBAND 1362 01:15:25,825 --> 01:15:29,529 >> YOUR HONOR, THE DEFENSE CALLS CINDY SCHULZ-JUEDES TO THE 1363 01:15:29,529 --> 01:15:31,698 STAND. >> Reporter: BUT NOW IT WAS 1364 01:15:31,698 --> 01:15:37,470 CINDY'S TURN TO TELL HER STORY TO THE JURY. 1365 01:15:37,470 --> 01:15:41,741 AND SHE WAS READY. >>> COMING UP -- 1366 01:15:41,741 --> 01:15:44,878 >> I DIDN'T KILL MY HUSBAND. AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT, I 1367 01:15:44,878 --> 01:15:48,081 GUESS, WHO DID >> CINDY ON THE STAND. 1368 01:15:48,081 --> 01:15:51,084 AND THE OTHER SUSPECTS TOO WHO WOULD THE JURY BELIEVE 1369 01:16:06,566 --> 01:16:10,270 >> Reporter: PAM EWER SAYS THE PICTURE THE PROSECUTOR PAINTED 1370 01:16:10,270 --> 01:16:13,106 OF HER SISTER AS A MONEY HUNGRY MURDERER WAS PLAIN WRONG 1371 01:16:13,106 --> 01:16:18,778 SHE SAYS KEN WAS THE ONE WHO WANTED ALL THOSE INSURANCE 1372 01:16:18,778 --> 01:16:21,081 POLICIES, NOT CINDY. >> CINDY WASN'T PLANNING FOR KEN 1373 01:16:21,081 --> 01:16:25,618 TO DIE CINDY WANTED HER HUSBAND 1374 01:16:25,618 --> 01:16:29,055 CINDY WASN'T LOOKING FOR MONEY >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR SAID 1375 01:16:29,055 --> 01:16:30,523 THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO COULD'VE LINED EVERYTHING UP 1376 01:16:30,523 --> 01:16:31,891 PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, TO -- TO COMMIT THIS MURDER AND THAT WAS 1377 01:16:31,891 --> 01:16:34,427 CINDY. YOU KNOW, SHE HAD THE MOTIVE AND 1378 01:16:34,427 --> 01:16:40,066 THE MEANS TO PULL THIS OFF >> WHAT DO I SAY TO THAT 1379 01:16:40,066 --> 01:16:43,837 SOMEBODY PLANNED IT. AND IT WASN'T MY SISTER. 1380 01:16:43,837 --> 01:16:45,305 BELIEVE ME >> Reporter: SOMEONE ELSE DID 1381 01:16:45,305 --> 01:16:50,110 IT THAT WAS THE CRUX OF CINDY'S 1382 01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:53,480 DEFENSE IN COURT TOO >> THERE WAS A MAN AT THE 1383 01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:56,616 CAMPGROUND NAMED BRIAN THAT WAS TELLING PEOPLE THERE THAT HE WAS 1384 01:16:56,616 --> 01:17:00,687 THE DRIVER OF A GETAWAY CAR. >> Reporter: CINDY'S DEFENSE 1385 01:17:00,687 --> 01:17:04,024 ATTORNEY, EARL GRAY, CALLED ONE OF THE CAMPERS WHO'D HEARD 1386 01:17:04,024 --> 01:17:08,028 BRIAN'S STORIES TO THE STAND >> HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS THE 1387 01:17:08,028 --> 01:17:09,362 GETAWAY DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE. >> Reporter: THE DEFENSE 1388 01:17:09,362 --> 01:17:16,803 ATTORNEY ALSO CALLED BRIAN THE BARTENDER. 1389 01:17:16,803 --> 01:17:18,038 IT WAS SOMETHING THE PROSECUTOR HAD EXPECTED AND 1390 01:17:18,038 --> 01:17:18,872 PLANNED FOR. AND IT'S WHY SHE MADE A BOLD 1391 01:17:18,872 --> 01:17:23,043 DECISION BEFORE TRIAL. YOU DECIDED TO GIVE THESE MEN 1392 01:17:23,043 --> 01:17:25,311 IMMUNITY >> UH-HUH. 1393 01:17:25,311 --> 01:17:28,181 >> Reporter: WHAT WAS THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT SINCE YOU WEREN'T 1394 01:17:28,181 --> 01:17:32,719 EVEN SURE IF THEY WERE INVOLVED? >> BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE TRUTH 1395 01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:34,821 >> Reporter: IMMUNITY MEANT THE PROSECUTOR COULD NOT CRIMINALLY 1396 01:17:34,821 --> 01:17:37,057 CHARGE THE MEN FOR ANY SECRETS THEY REVEALED ON THE WITNESS 1397 01:17:37,057 --> 01:17:40,093 STAND. BRIAN THE BARTENDER DIDN'T 1398 01:17:40,093 --> 01:17:41,528 REVEAL MUCH. HE DENIED BEING INVOLVED IN THE 1399 01:17:41,528 --> 01:17:45,832 MURDER HE EVEN DENIED TELLING SOME OF 1400 01:17:45,832 --> 01:17:48,668 THOSE STORIES. >> DID YOU TELL HIM ANYTHING 1401 01:17:48,668 --> 01:17:53,506 ABOUT THE MURDER OF KEN JUEDES >> NO. 1402 01:17:53,506 --> 01:17:55,475 >> Reporter: RAINI'S EX, GARY UPTON, ALSO DENIED BEING 1403 01:17:55,475 --> 01:17:59,179 PART OF ANY MURDER PLOT. HE DID ADMIT TO KNOWING CINDY. 1404 01:17:59,179 --> 01:18:02,015 >> DID YOU EVER CALL HER A BITCH? 1405 01:18:02,015 --> 01:18:04,584 >> POSSIBLY. >> Reporter: BUTCH PATRICK WAS 1406 01:18:04,584 --> 01:18:06,853 ADAMANT TOO. HE DIDN'T KILL KEN 1407 01:18:06,853 --> 01:18:12,859 BUT THE DEFENSE ASKED HIM WHAT PROOF HE HAD 1408 01:18:12,859 --> 01:18:14,527 >> THE ONLY PROOF THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU WEREN'T HERE IS ZERO, 1409 01:18:14,527 --> 01:18:21,768 CORRECT? YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHERE YOU 1410 01:18:21,768 --> 01:18:26,506 WERE ON THE DAY OF THE SHOOTING, IS THAT RIGHT? 1411 01:18:26,506 --> 01:18:27,874 >> YES >> Reporter: THEN THERE WAS THIS 1412 01:18:27,874 --> 01:18:29,075 DEFENSE WITNESS, A FRIEND OF KEN'S, WHO SAID A FEW DAYS 1413 01:18:29,075 --> 01:18:33,613 BEFORE THE MURDER, KEN WAS AFRAID NOT OF HIS WIFE BUT 1414 01:18:33,613 --> 01:18:35,348 SOMETHING AT THE RACETRACK SO AFRAID, HE TOLD THE JURY, 1415 01:18:35,348 --> 01:18:37,884 THAT KEN ASKED HIM TO GO THERE WITH HIM BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT 1416 01:18:37,884 --> 01:18:44,391 TO GO ALONE. >> I OBSERVED HE WAS VERY 1417 01:18:44,391 --> 01:18:47,060 NERVOUS AND LOOKING AROUND A LOT MORE THAN HE USUALLY DID 1418 01:18:47,060 --> 01:18:49,863 >> Reporter: AND IN CASE THE JURY WAS WONDERING IF CINDY AND 1419 01:18:49,863 --> 01:18:54,434 THE GUYS FROM MONSTER HALL WERE IN IT TOGETHER, THE DEFENSE SAID 1420 01:18:54,434 --> 01:19:05,612 THERE WAS NO PROOF SHE CONSPIRED WITH THEM OR ANYONE ELSE 1421 01:19:05,612 --> 01:19:08,615 THEN IT CAME TIME FOR CINDY TO TAKE THE STAND 1422 01:19:08,615 --> 01:19:12,852 >> I SAW KEN ON THE BED. >> AND WHAT DID YOU DO 1423 01:19:12,852 --> 01:19:17,424 DID YOU DO ANYTHING? >> I REMEMBER MAKING MY WAY TO 1424 01:19:17,424 --> 01:19:20,827 THE PHONE. AND THEN AS I'M LOOKING AT -- AT 1425 01:19:20,827 --> 01:19:26,232 KEN TRYING TO USE THE PHONE, I FELT LIKE I WAS FLOATING ABOVE 1426 01:19:26,232 --> 01:19:30,203 HIM, LOOKING DOWN. AND I COULD HEAR SCREAMING 1427 01:19:30,203 --> 01:19:33,640 AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS ME 1428 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,409 >> Reporter: AND SHE EXPLAINED SHE'D DONE HER BEST TO HELP 1429 01:19:36,409 --> 01:19:39,612 DETECTIVES, TALKING TO THEM WHENEVER THEY NEEDED HER 1430 01:19:39,612 --> 01:19:47,053 >> WHY DID YOU AGREE TO ALL THESE INTERVIEWS 1431 01:19:47,053 --> 01:19:50,156 >> BECAUSE I DIDN'T KILL MY HUSBAND AND I WANTED TO FIND 1432 01:19:50,156 --> 01:19:55,662 OUT, I GUESS, WHO DID. >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR 1433 01:19:55,662 --> 01:19:58,264 POUNCED ON CINDY IN A TESTY CROSS-EXAMINATION. 1434 01:19:58,264 --> 01:20:01,668 >> YOU DO NOT ADMINISTER ANY AID WHATSOEVER, CORRECT? 1435 01:20:01,668 --> 01:20:03,069 >> THE FIRST RULE OF CPR - >> YOUR HONOR, I'D ASK THAT SHE 1436 01:20:03,069 --> 01:20:05,071 ANSWER THE QUESTION. YES OR NO? 1437 01:20:05,071 --> 01:20:08,475 >> ALL RIGHT ANSWER THE QUESTION, PLEASE. 1438 01:20:08,475 --> 01:20:10,710 >> I DID NOT ADMINISTER FIRST AID, NO. 1439 01:20:10,710 --> 01:20:13,613 >> WHEN YOU OPENED THE DOOR TO THE BEDROOM FROM THAT BATHROOM, 1440 01:20:13,613 --> 01:20:16,449 WHAT DID YOU SEE >> I THINK YOU'VE ASKED ME ABOUT 1441 01:20:16,449 --> 01:20:23,390 THIS BEFORE, AND I'VE ANSWERED IT BEFORE. 1442 01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:25,091 SO ASKED AND ANSWERED. >> Reporter: THE PROSECUTOR 1443 01:20:25,091 --> 01:20:26,726 ASKED CINDY HOW SHE COULD HAVE SLEPT THROUGH THE MURDER 1444 01:20:26,726 --> 01:20:30,797 THE CAMPER WAS PARKED JUST STEPS FROM THE HOUSE 1445 01:20:30,797 --> 01:20:32,799 >> I THINK THE VOLUME OF THE INCONSISTENCIES WAS COMPELLING 1446 01:20:32,799 --> 01:20:35,902 YOU DIDN'T HEAR TWO SHOTGUN BLASTS 1447 01:20:35,902 --> 01:20:40,473 >> NO. >> YOU SAID YOU'RE A LIGHT 1448 01:20:40,473 --> 01:20:43,877 SLEEPER, CORRECT >> ORDINARILY, YES 1449 01:20:43,877 --> 01:20:49,449 >> BUT NOT THAT NIGHT? >> I WAS MEDICATED 1450 01:20:49,449 --> 01:20:51,551 >> AND THE MEDICATION THAT YOU SAY YOU TOOK ALLOWED YOU TO 1451 01:20:51,551 --> 01:20:53,253 SLEEP SO SOUNDLY THAT YOU SLEPT THROUGH TWO SHOTGUN BLASTS 1452 01:20:53,253 --> 01:20:58,358 >> OBJECTION THAT IS ARGUMENTATIVE. 1453 01:20:58,358 --> 01:20:59,592 >> Reporter: AFTER NEARLY SIX HOURS OF TESTIMONY, CINDY WALKED 1454 01:20:59,592 --> 01:21:04,931 BACK TO THE DEFENSE TABLE. IT WAS TIME FOR THE JURY TO TAKE 1455 01:21:04,931 --> 01:21:08,635 THE CASE THEN AFTER 4 1/2 HOURS OF 1456 01:21:08,635 --> 01:21:12,605 DELIBERATION, A VERDICT. >> WE, THE JURY, AS FOR OUR 1457 01:21:12,605 --> 01:21:14,074 VERDICT, FIND THE DEFENDANT CINDY SCHULZ- JUEDES GUILTY OF 1458 01:21:14,074 --> 01:21:16,643 FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE AS A PARTY TO A CRIME 1459 01:21:16,643 --> 01:21:21,448 >> Reporter: WHAT'S THAT MOMENT LIKE 1460 01:21:21,448 --> 01:21:22,849 >> AH, IT WAS WONDERFUL. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL. 1461 01:21:22,849 --> 01:21:26,252 WE WERE -- EVERYBODY WAS HUGGING EACH OTHER 1462 01:21:26,252 --> 01:21:29,989 >> Reporter: AT THE SENTENCING, DON READ A LETTER WRITTEN BY HIS 1463 01:21:29,989 --> 01:21:35,962 MOTHER >> WERE IT NOT FOR CINDY'S 1464 01:21:35,962 --> 01:21:38,365 ACTIONS, KEN WOULD NOW BE 74 YEARS OLD, STILL PROVIDING 1465 01:21:38,365 --> 01:21:41,334 ASSISTANCE TO ME AND ENJOYING THE BEST YEARS OF HIS LIFE 1466 01:21:41,334 --> 01:21:44,571 >> Reporter: WAS THAT SO PAINFUL FOR YOU, READING THAT ON BEHALF 1467 01:21:44,571 --> 01:21:47,107 OF YOUR MOM IN THAT COURTROOM? >> IT WAS SAD THAT I HAD TO -- 1468 01:21:47,107 --> 01:21:50,377 THAT I HAD TO DO IT, YES >> Reporter: THE JUDGE SENTENCED 1469 01:21:50,377 --> 01:21:53,513 CINDY TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY TO HER 1470 01:21:53,513 --> 01:22:00,653 NOW? >> YOU'RE A BEAST, CINDY 1471 01:22:00,653 --> 01:22:01,788 THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY THAT'S HOW I FEEL. 1472 01:22:01,788 --> 01:22:05,492 >> Reporter: CINDY HAS NEW LAWYERS WHO ARE WORKING ON HER 1473 01:22:05,492 --> 01:22:08,228 APPEAL >> THE TRUTH IS GOING TO COME 1474 01:22:08,228 --> 01:22:10,797 OUT. THE TRUTH IS GOING TO COME OUT 1475 01:22:10,797 --> 01:22:12,065 >> Reporter: SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU'RE JUST 1476 01:22:12,065 --> 01:22:12,832 BLINDLY SUPPORTING HER, YOU'RE NAIVE? 1477 01:22:12,832 --> 01:22:14,834 >> NO. THEY'RE WRONG. 1478 01:22:14,834 --> 01:22:16,469 THEY'RE WRONG. >> Reporter: YOU THINK THE REAL 1479 01:22:16,469 --> 01:22:19,139 KILLER AND ACCOMPLICES ARE WALKING AROUND FREE? 1480 01:22:19,139 --> 01:22:21,675 >> OH, THE LIARS YES, THEY ARE. 1481 01:22:21,675 --> 01:22:24,878 >> Reporter: PAM ISN'T THE ONLY PERSON TO THINK THAT THE WHOLE 1482 01:22:24,878 --> 01:22:30,717 STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED AT DILL CREEK FARM IS YET TO BE TOLD 1483 01:22:30,717 --> 01:22:32,852 THE OTHER SISTER IN THIS STORY, KEN'S KID SISTER LAURIE, SAYS 1484 01:22:32,852 --> 01:22:36,322 SHE'S CONVINCED CINDY DIDN'T ACT ALONE. 1485 01:22:36,322 --> 01:22:38,191 AND SHE'S NOT DONE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. 1486 01:22:38,191 --> 01:22:42,262 YOU FEEL LIKE SOMEONE GOT AWAY WITH MURDER. 1487 01:22:42,262 --> 01:22:44,564 >> YES, I DO >> Reporter: THE REST OF KEN'S 1488 01:22:44,564 --> 01:22:50,537 FAMILY SAYS JUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR 1489 01:22:50,537 --> 01:22:56,276 PEACE, FINDING IT IN THEIR MEMORIES OF KEN -- A BROTHER, A 1490 01:22:56,276 --> 01:23:00,947 DAD, A SON A MAN WITH A GENTLE SMILE AND 1491 01:23:00,947 --> 01:23:02,682 BIG DREAMS WHO FOR A BRIEF MOMENT IN TIME CREATED HIS OWN 1492 01:23:02,682 --> 01:23:11,057 LITTLE HEAVEN AT THE END OF A WISCONSIN COUNTRY ROAD 1493 01:23:11,057 --> 01:23:14,194 >>> THAT'S ALL FOR THIS EDITION OF "DATELINE." 1494 01:23:14,194 --> 01:23:17,297 WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT FRIDAY AT 9:00, 8:00 CENTRAL. 1495 01:23:17,297 --> 01:23:19,132 AND, OF COURSE, I'LL SEE YOU EACH WEEKNIGHT FOR "NBC NIGHTLY 1496 01:23:19,132 --> 01:23:21,501 NEWS." I'M LESTER HOLT. 1497 01:23:21,501 --> 01:23:25,305 FOR ALL OF US AT NBC NEWS, GOOD NIGHT.