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From New York City,
the only city in America,
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it's the show that
invented news.
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This is The Daily Show
with your host, DL Hughley.
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[applause]
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[cheering]
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Hey, everybody,
how you guys doing?
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[cheering]
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Good to see you,
good to see you.
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Well, I, I'm DL Hughley, and
welcome to The Daily Show.
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Of course, between me
and Leslie and Wanda,
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this is starting to look a
lot like BET, I tell you that.
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Do not be shocked if you see
those diabetes commercials,
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you know.
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(SINGING) Oh, oh,
oh, oh, Ozempic.
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Black people love that song.
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You could have one foot and
you still dance to that song,
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we don't even care.
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All right, of
course, we have a lot
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that we need to talk about.
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So we're going to
get right to it.
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So I'm sure many
of you heard by now
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that a young Black
man in Memphis
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was pulled over by the police.
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And we all saw
how it went down.
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For the first time, we are
seeing the violent arrest
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of Tyre Nichols.
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What began as a traffic stop--
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[overlapping speech]
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--quickly turned
violent, as captured
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on multiple videos
released tonight
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by the city of Memphis.
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Officers are seen pulling
Nichols out of the car.
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[overlapping speech]
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They use pepper spray
and deploy a taser
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during a struggle.
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Then for roughly three
minutes, officers
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are seen repeatedly kicking
and punching Nichols
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while he was handcuffed.
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As Nichols lay on the
ground, bloodied and bruised,
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several minutes go by
without any of the officers
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administering first aid.
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Nichols died in the
hospital three days later.
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Is it a shocking video?
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Yes.
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Shocking.
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You know who wasn't
shocked by that?
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Black people.
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I know, we were like,
we were not, like,
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it just, like I think that
is a word we should throw out
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of our lexicon, because
the one thing we were not,
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you didn't see Black
people sitting around,
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can you believe
they beat the shit
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out of another nigger on TV?
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Can you believe that?
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Because it's pretty
commonplace for us.
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The only people who are
probably shocked by this
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are people who haven't
been paying attention.
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But for us, that's
just like a flashback.
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So those videos are
like so commonplace,
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it's hard to be shocked.
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That's like watching
a porno and saying,
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he's going to stick that where?
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Ain't no way in hell
that's going to fit.
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I mean, I don't know,
I'm just making a point.
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I don't watch porno.
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Let's stick with the
story, all right?
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It is not shocking
to Black people,
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because that is probably every
Black parent's nightmare.
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It's like, that's why
we train our children
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to deal with police.
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We act like they going
on safari or something.
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They like, don't
make a sudden noise,
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don't make any sudden moves,
don't smile, don't run.
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So you can't be
shocked when the media,
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also the media
spend a whole week
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prepping us for the video.
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They told us how violent
it was going to be.
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To be real, that video got more
pro than I did for this show.
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Like, I haven't, I
haven't, I haven't
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seen a TV show that
anticipated since the remake
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of Night Court.
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They wasn't playing around.
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It was like they were rolling
out a new movie release.
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Brought to you from the
people that brought you
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George Floyd and Rodney King.
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Um, I can tell you what
I did find shocking,
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was how fast those
cops got arrested.
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Yeah!
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Nam damn.
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They got arrested
so fast, they didn't
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even give us time to riot.
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Like, I'm like nam,
damn, what am I going
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to do with all this gasoline?
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I got to pour it back
in the lawnmower.
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Because usually, it takes a
considerable amount of time.
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More like usually when they
tell us a cop got indicted,
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a reporter's wiping tear gas
out of her eyes, so it's.
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And it's just
interesting, because they
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did get arrested fast.
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And I just, these cops
got arrested so fast,
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I got to wonder, why did, oh,
there's something about them.
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That looks fast, arrest-worthy.
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Like I can't put
my finger on it,
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but I want to
arrest them myself.
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I don't.
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I don't know.
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Maybe they get their hair
cut at the same place,
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I don't know.
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I can tell you
what did scare me,
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is that no one could tell
us what Tyre could have done
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to stop this from happening.
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I mean, usually, you
hear people saying,
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he should have followed orders.
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But they gave him 71 different
orders in 13 minutes,
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so not even Wendy's can turn
the order around that God
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damn fast.
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And then they gave orders
that didn't make any sense,
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like telling him
get on the ground
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when he was already
on the ground.
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Like, I don't know how
they do it in Memphis,
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but where I'm from, the ground
is as low as you can go,
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that's it.
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But you know, it
is a complex issue.
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And I know it helps
me whenever I'm
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delving into a complex issue
that affects Black people
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and I want an expert
opinion, what I do
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is, I turn to Fox News.
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I do.
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That's, I learned how to make
gumbo watching that show,
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too, so it's.
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It's the reason
that I found out
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why cops do bad things
in the first place,
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and it's apparently because
people are so mean to them.
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This is a direct
result of all this defund
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the police stuff, right?
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And if you vilify the
cops, you'll get less
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people wanting to be cops.
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These endless wars on
police departments now.
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They have dissuaded
a lot of good people
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from becoming police officers.
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That's a fact.
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They've had
recruitment problems
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and they've had
retention problems.
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You can look at the
data like I can.
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And what happens
is, you wind up
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getting stuck, plain and
simple, with just bad guys.
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Hmm.
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You would think he got
his ass whooped, right?
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Like, he-- But the
great thing about it
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is, I got a guy from Fox
to say they are bad cops.
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I got him to agree
with Antifa, see?
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I been here one day and
I'm changing shit already,
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it's going great.
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But there is one
guy on Fox News,
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and this dude came
up with something
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that I got to tell you, I
really did not see it coming.
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Looked like gang
violence to me.
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It looked like what young Black
men do when they're supervised
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by a single Black woman.
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And that's what they got
going on in the Memphis
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Police Department.
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They've elected some,
or put some Black woman
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in charge of the
police force, and we're
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getting the same kind of chaos
and disunity and violence
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that we see in a lot
of these cities that
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are run by single mothers.
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What the [bleep]
is he talking about?
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What?
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What is he?
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So, it is single Black
mothers that are the problem.
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So, wait a minute.
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All of these cops,
all of them, they
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had single Black mothers, too?
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And by the way, those
are the images that came
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up when I Googled good cops.
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If Jason Whitlock
proves anything,
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it's that you do not have to
be white to hate Black people.
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Right.
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Um, and I can understand.
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How can we expect Jason to
see the plight of Black people
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when this dude can't even
see his own dick, so?
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I'm DL Hughley, you
knew I was going to do
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a dick joke on Comedy Central.
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Stop it, stop it.
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All right, for
more on this story,
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I'm going to be joined by
Roy Wood Jr. What can you--
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[cheering]
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Hello.
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[laughs]
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You just, you just take,
just disagree with the man.
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You didn't have to break his
dick and then come to me.
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I'm sorry.
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Let's not let a dick
come between us.
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It's crazy.
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What can you tell me
about the police officers
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that committed this attack?
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Here's the thing, DL,
first and foremost, they're
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not just any police officers.
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They were actually
part of an elite unit
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within the department
with a special focus
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on violent crime.
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Elite unit.
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That was elite?
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Yeah, yeah, it was elite.
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It was elite.
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And the whole idea of
an elite unit, it's
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already kind of weird, right?
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Like shouldn't the whole
police force already be elite?
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I mean, you already got guns.
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But you know what it's like?
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This is like when
you get on the plane
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and the flight
attendant tell you,
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oh, well you're lucky today.
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This is one of
our elite pilots.
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Well, who the hell?
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Who was flying this
shit before, ma'am?
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But there's something even
weirder about this elite unit,
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and that's in the name
of this elite unit.
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They were actually
called The Scorpions.
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Oh, wow.
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The Scorpions.
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The acronym, the police,
they love the acronyms.
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And Scorpion stands for
Street Crimes Operations
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to Restore Peace in
our Neighborhoods.
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- Oh.
- Scorpion.
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And look, I don't
know about you,
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DL, but look, as a rule
of thumb, no police unit
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should be named after a
Mortal Kombat character.
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I agree, agree.
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You can't name
a unit Scorpion,
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because once you give
them a name like Scorpion,
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it don't matter what
they're even there for.
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They're going to be
violent with the shit.
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You can have a police unit
that only does paperwork,
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but if you call them
Scorpions, they're
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going to be swooping in and
whipping ass with W-2 forms.
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Agree.
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Anyway.
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Agree, agree.
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And that's the
other thing, man.
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It's not that hard
for the police
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to name a unit after something
other than a deadly animal.
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You ain't got to name every
unit out a deadly animal.
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It's easy, watch
this, watch this.
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Securing Neighborhoods
Alongside Kind Enforcement.
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That's peaceful.
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Ain't that Snake?
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Don't, don't, interrupt
me, I'm still thinking.
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Give me a second.
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What about this one, what about
this one, this is peaceful.
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Securing Homes and
Rescuing Kids with Orderly
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Lawful Functionality.
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That's good.
- Shark Wolf.
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Damn!
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OK, OK, OK.
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It's tougher than I thought.
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Forget acronyms,
forget acronyms.
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We can do one.
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We can do a police unit,
it's peaceful and kind.
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Gentle Enforcement
Needs Officers Carefully
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Inspecting Downtown Elements.
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Don't you want me to
finish the week, man?
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That's genocide.
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OK, all right, well then,
just forget the names.
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Here's an idea.
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Here's an idea.
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Police got all
these elite units.
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Mm-hmm
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How about the police
form an elite unit
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that's specifically trained
to not kill Black People?
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[cheering]
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That's the unit.
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It's an all out unit, bro.
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Talking six months
of boot camp,
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learning how to
identify Black people.
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Identify when our hands are up.
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Identifying what compliant
looks like, all of it.
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I bet you could do that.
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If you did all of
that, you could
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drop the killings of Black
people by as much as 20%.
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[applause]
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20%.
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Just 20%.
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Hey, that's elite to me.
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We got to start somewhere.
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Thank you so much, Roy.
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Roy Wood Jr., everybody!
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All right, when
we come back, I'm
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going to talk to the attorney
representing Tyre Nichols'
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family, so do not go away.
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[applause]
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[cheering]
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[cheering and applause]
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All right.
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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My first guest is an
attorney who is representing
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the family of Tyre Nichols.
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Please put your hands
together for Ben Crump.
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How are you?
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I'm good, DL.
Good to see you, brother.
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How you doing, friend.
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You good?
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I'm good, friend, other
than this situation.
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Out of all the time--
like, usually, you called me,
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I think it's Tuesday.
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And whenever I hear from
you, I know it's bad news.
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Like you never call when you
won the Lotto or had a baby
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shower or nothing like that.
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It's always--
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But you told me about it
because my driver happened
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to be Tyre's stepfather.
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And he had told me
about it previously.
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And so it struck
me differently.
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Because I know Rodney and I--
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I remember when he
moved to Memphis.
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And I knew that you
were on the case,
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so I was certain that something
positive would happen.
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Do you think that the fact that
the officers were arrested so
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swiftly is an indicator of
things that are getting better
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or that just we got
five Black people,
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so we're going to
arrest them real fast?
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You know, that's an
interesting question,
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DL Hughley, but I think
when you look at the fact
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that they are Black officers,
it seemed to be that this
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moved awfully swiftly.
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What I mean, the
police chief said--
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Curiously swiftly--
very fast, very fast.
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[laughter]
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Very fast.
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The police Chief Davis
said it was important
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that they take swift
action, that they
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move swiftly to justice, DL.
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She said that
because this video
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was so clear that the
community needed to see that.
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And so I said to myself,
they got fired, arrested, and
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charged in less than 20 days.
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So this is the blueprint
going forward, DL Hughley.
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They cannot say anymore to
us, whether the cop is Black
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or white, when you see them
on video committing a crime,
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using excessive force against
us, that it takes six months,
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that it take a year.
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No, you can't tell
us that anymore.
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Because we're going to say
you remember those five Black
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police officers in Memphis?
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Y'all arrested
them immediately.
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[applause]
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What I do find
interesting is that I know
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that you have tried
to do what you
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can in terms of police reform.
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But let me tell you,
Congressman Jim Jordan,
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he said on, I think,
Meet the Press,
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that he's not sure that
any law, any training,
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or any reform
could have stopped
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what happened to Tyre Nichols.
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So that sounds like a
setup to not do anything.
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I'm tired of hearing
about rotten apples.
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We gotta start looking
at the trees and the soil
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that the trees grow on.
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If the premise-- if the
premise is already nothing
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could have stopped
that, that sounds
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a lot like their
approach on guns
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is we might just keep
everything the same
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because nothing will stop it.
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Yeah.
368
00:16:03,864 --> 00:16:08,502
You know, DL, it really is
troubling when they continue
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to see all this
evidence that we
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have a problem with the
culture of policing in America.
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One of the questions
I was often asked
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was, well, they're
Black officers,
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are you surprised
what they did?
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And I said no.
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Because the race of
the police officer
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isn't the determining
factor of whether they're
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going to commit
excessive use of force.
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But it is the race
of the victim.
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And it's often Black and
brown people who bear
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the brunt of police brutality.
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I mean, DL, we don't see
videos about white brothers
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and sisters who are
unarmed facing this kind
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of excessive use of force.
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I'm waiting to
see those videos.
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Because how often, DL, have we
seen Eric Garner in New York
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get choked-- the first
I can't breathe case--
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then Alton Sterling down
in Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
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then Pamela Turner, the
sister outside of Houston,
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who was having a
mental health crisis,
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and the police killed her--
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DL HUGHLEY: But what is--
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--and Laquon McDonald--
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What is their
incentive to stop?
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--walking away in
Chicago got shot 16 times.
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But what is their
incentive to stop?
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Because what happens is
police officers who kill Black
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people get a paid vacation.
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Then they come back.
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They have GoFundMe accounts.
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Then they say police
departments need to be--
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they need to be retrained,
so they get more money.
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So there's no real incentive
to make substantive change when
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nothing really severe-- and
what police, they'll tend
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to do, is they'll get rid
of the police officers
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and say now we can
start at ground zero.
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Everything's changed.
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00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:47,067
And I don't see anything
that has changed
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that is so remarkable
that it would lead me
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to believe that
these are going to be
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changes that are resonant.
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00:17:54,575 --> 00:17:58,078
Well, DL, we're
making some progress.
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We need to make a lot more,
but we're making some progress.
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Because you know what
a deterrent to them
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[crowd cheering]
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Thank you.
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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It's such a great audience.
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Y'all must be union.
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Jeez.
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This is my next two guests.
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They have collaborated on a new
book for young readers called
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How To Be a Young Antiracist.
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Won't you please
welcome Dr. Ibrahim
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X. Kendi and Nic Stone.
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[music playing]
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[applause]
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00:18:46,827 --> 00:18:53,700
NIC STONE: Thank you.
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00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,770
So, How To Be A
Young Antiracist.
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That means you're already
banned in Florida, so.
430
00:19:01,074 --> 00:19:02,876
It's funny when we talk
about race because we live
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in a country that the
Congress and Senate voted
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for Juneteenth bill, but we're
the same nation that don't
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want to talk about slavery.
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00:19:14,021 --> 00:19:15,922
They'll have Martin
Luther King and Robert
435
00:19:16,023 --> 00:19:18,392
E. Lee Day on the same days.
436
00:19:18,492 --> 00:19:20,160
So I think when it
comes to racism,
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00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:22,629
I think that a lot of people
believe that if they're not
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00:19:22,729 --> 00:19:24,998
actively saying the
n-word, or doing
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00:19:25,098 --> 00:19:27,334
or saying bigoted things,
that means they're not racist.
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00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:29,069
So how can we start
a conversation
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00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:31,104
about being anti-race
when you're not quite
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00:19:31,204 --> 00:19:32,506
sure how to quantify racism?
443
00:19:32,606 --> 00:19:34,741
We are, but I don't think
a lot of people are.
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00:19:34,908 --> 00:19:36,610
And I think that's
the very point.
445
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:38,812
Because if you're
not doing anything
446
00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:41,281
to challenge all
of the injustice
447
00:19:41,381 --> 00:19:44,584
and all of the inequity in our
society, then what happens?
448
00:19:44,685 --> 00:19:45,585
It persists.
449
00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:46,586
Sure.
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So therefore you're
reinforcing it.
451
00:19:47,921 --> 00:19:50,057
So therefore you're
being racist.
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00:19:50,157 --> 00:19:52,426
And so we're encouraging
people to actively
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try to dismantle
this structure,
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including young people.
455
00:19:55,595 --> 00:19:56,963
But what is their incentive?
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Like, what would
they be incent--
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00:19:58,332 --> 00:19:59,933
Nic, what is their--
if this system
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is working for you or not,
it doesn't cause you any--
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00:20:02,469 --> 00:20:03,704
because you can sleep at night.
460
00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:06,673
Why would you want to change
the system that seems to be
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00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:08,909
going just as you intended?
462
00:20:09,009 --> 00:20:11,011
But is it actually
working for you?
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00:20:11,111 --> 00:20:12,012
- Well, yeah.
- It seems to be.
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- Not me.
- Right.
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00:20:13,347 --> 00:20:14,514
It's clearly is not working
for you, but one of us.
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00:20:14,614 --> 00:20:16,049
I'm a temporary holds, but
I'm talking about, like--
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00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:17,250
Yes.
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00:20:17,351 --> 00:20:19,987
I think, for me, it's all
about children, right?
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00:20:20,087 --> 00:20:22,489
Like, even though
this is a system that
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might seem like it's
working for you,
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00:20:24,324 --> 00:20:25,759
the world is actively changing.
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If your children are not
prepared to live in a world
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and move to a world
that have people that
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are different from them
in positions of power,
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they're going to be in trouble.
- Yeah.
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But then they try
to remake the world.
477
00:20:35,168 --> 00:20:36,403
You'll see that.
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00:20:36,503 --> 00:20:40,107
Literally, we're a nation
that is run by the Flintstones
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and in the Jetsons.
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And the [bleep]
Flintstones are winning.
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You have to understand that I
don't believe a lot of people,
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for instance, I don't
believe white people--
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a lot of white people--
are actively racist.
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00:20:52,486 --> 00:20:56,490
But I do believe that the
notions of white supremacists,
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they don't agree
with their methods
486
00:20:57,924 --> 00:20:59,793
but they agree with the
goal, which is to keep
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white people in charge.
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00:21:01,428 --> 00:21:05,232
And so if that is the
premise, then what incentive--
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seriously-- would
there be to make
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these changes that
only destabilize
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00:21:08,969 --> 00:21:10,337
what you know works for you?
492
00:21:10,437 --> 00:21:12,606
I think one of the
things we've been showing
493
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in studying racism is that it's
actually harming white
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00:21:16,043 --> 00:21:17,377
people, too.
495
00:21:17,477 --> 00:21:20,881
It's not harming them at the
level it's harming people
496
00:21:20,947 --> 00:21:23,050
of color, but there are
actually white people who
497
00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:24,418
are dying of police violence.
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00:21:24,518 --> 00:21:27,888
They're not dying at the level
of Black and Brown people,
499
00:21:27,921 --> 00:21:29,623
but more white people
are dying of police
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violence in this country
than other countries.
501
00:21:31,725 --> 00:21:34,461
More white people are
incarcerated in this country
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than other countries.
503
00:21:35,529 --> 00:21:36,997
More white people
are struggling
504
00:21:37,097 --> 00:21:40,167
to vote in this country
compared to other countries.
505
00:21:40,267 --> 00:21:44,338
There were 5 million
about poor whites in 1860
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whose poverty was directly
connected to the enslavement
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00:21:47,908 --> 00:21:49,042
of Black people.
508
00:21:49,142 --> 00:21:50,577
But I think-- a lot of
white people don't get this--
509
00:21:50,677 --> 00:21:52,512
when you're poor,
you are nigger, too.
510
00:21:52,612 --> 00:21:54,481
You are You are.
511
00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:55,449
You are.
512
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:57,584
You are You are.
513
00:21:57,684 --> 00:21:59,353
You are.
514
00:21:59,453 --> 00:22:00,420
You are.
515
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,855
Like, I don't think
people understand--
516
00:22:01,922 --> 00:22:02,923
IBRAM KENDI: No, they don't.
517
00:22:03,023 --> 00:22:05,158
--that generally what
hurts me, hurts you.
518
00:22:05,258 --> 00:22:07,427
What is good for
me is good for you.
519
00:22:07,527 --> 00:22:12,232
And I think that but there is
that thing where people will
520
00:22:12,332 --> 00:22:13,767
give their last
dime to keep things
521
00:22:13,867 --> 00:22:15,302
a certain way as
long as it hurts you.
522
00:22:15,402 --> 00:22:17,471
Like, look at what happened
with the Obamacare Act.
523
00:22:17,571 --> 00:22:18,972
A lot of those people
in those poor states
524
00:22:19,072 --> 00:22:20,040
are being hurt
by that, but they
525
00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:21,241
don't care as long as you are.
526
00:22:21,341 --> 00:22:22,342
Yeah.
527
00:22:22,442 --> 00:22:24,544
And, but, the sense
of optimism is in what
528
00:22:24,644 --> 00:22:25,879
you said earlier children.
529
00:22:25,979 --> 00:22:27,447
Because in children you have--
530
00:22:27,547 --> 00:22:32,119
not mines, theirs-- a
whole different thing but--
531
00:22:32,219 --> 00:22:35,956
but in our children, we can
see the potential of things
532
00:22:36,056 --> 00:22:37,691
that we hope to never--
533
00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:39,926
that we hope we can realize
but probably never will.
534
00:22:40,027 --> 00:22:41,528
So that is an angle,
I think, that it's
535
00:22:41,628 --> 00:22:42,529
probably substantive.
536
00:22:42,629 --> 00:22:43,530
Yeah.
537
00:22:43,630 --> 00:22:44,898
I think when it
comes to children--
538
00:22:44,998 --> 00:22:46,099
I have two of my own--
539
00:22:46,199 --> 00:22:48,635
and it's important for me
that they enter a world
540
00:22:48,735 --> 00:22:51,371
that they feel empowered
to change, which
541
00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:52,906
is why we wrote this book.
542
00:22:52,973 --> 00:22:55,942
So Doctor Kendi wrote
his memoir years ago,
543
00:22:56,043 --> 00:22:59,246
and I latched on to
it, slid into his DMs,
544
00:22:59,346 --> 00:23:01,415
and asked if I could do
a young readers version.
545
00:23:01,515 --> 00:23:04,117
Because it's important that
young people have the tools.
546
00:23:04,217 --> 00:23:06,086
I get so many kids who are
asking, well, what do I do?
547
00:23:06,186 --> 00:23:07,087
How do I help?
548
00:23:07,187 --> 00:23:08,422
What do I change?
549
00:23:08,522 --> 00:23:11,425
How can I get into this fight
and do something about it?
550
00:23:11,525 --> 00:23:14,294
And so creating a text like
how to be a young anti-racist,
551
00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:16,063
we're giving them
information where they're
552
00:23:16,163 --> 00:23:17,631
learning these definitions,
they're learning
553
00:23:17,731 --> 00:23:18,865
what racism actually is.
554
00:23:18,932 --> 00:23:21,401
Give me an example of
what racism actually is.
555
00:23:21,501 --> 00:23:24,204
So racism is a
system of ideas.
556
00:23:24,304 --> 00:23:26,907
So you have racist ideas, and
they are, basically, they're
557
00:23:27,007 --> 00:23:28,141
made to keep inequities going.
558
00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:29,109
Right.
559
00:23:29,209 --> 00:23:30,410
Right?
560
00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:33,080
So the whole purpose of a
book like How To Be a Young
561
00:23:33,180 --> 00:23:35,415
Antiracist is to give
young people terms
562
00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:37,451
that we can all
agree on that way
563
00:23:37,551 --> 00:23:38,785
we know what we're
standing against.
564
00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:39,786
Like what?
565
00:23:39,886 --> 00:23:41,088
Like racism.
566
00:23:41,188 --> 00:23:44,091
Having a term, a definition,
for racism helps them see,
567
00:23:44,191 --> 00:23:46,893
OK, this is what
we're trying to fight.
568
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,061
Because one of
the things that
569
00:23:48,161 --> 00:23:51,798
happens is people who have
historically been racist
570
00:23:51,898 --> 00:23:52,933
refused to define that term.
571
00:23:53,033 --> 00:23:54,534
Of course.
Why would you?
572
00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:56,470
Because it allows them
to exonerate themselves
573
00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:58,472
consistently and constantly.
574
00:23:58,572 --> 00:24:00,640
And even young
people, therefore,
575
00:24:00,741 --> 00:24:02,642
don't know what it is, so they
can't even assess themselves
576
00:24:02,743 --> 00:24:03,643
and guide themselves.
577
00:24:03,744 --> 00:24:04,644
How would they know?
578
00:24:04,745 --> 00:24:06,046
We have a lot of
people who are raised
579
00:24:06,146 --> 00:24:07,681
by people who moved out
of places that Black
580
00:24:07,848 --> 00:24:09,082
people are moving into.
- Yeah.
581
00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:10,651
Right?
That was a predicate.
582
00:24:10,751 --> 00:24:12,119
We're going to move out
of places that Black
583
00:24:12,219 --> 00:24:13,320
people are moving into.
584
00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:15,022
But those are the people
who have the conversation
585
00:24:15,122 --> 00:24:16,723
with the people who are
now having the conversation
586
00:24:16,857 --> 00:24:18,058
with the people.
587
00:24:18,158 --> 00:24:19,893
So they don't think the thing
that they did was racist.
588
00:24:19,993 --> 00:24:20,227
That's a level of obliviousness
that you can't quite quantify.
589
00:24:20,694 --> 00:24:22,596
[cheering]
590
00:24:22,696 --> 00:24:24,465
Well, that is our
show for tonight,
591
00:24:24,565 --> 00:24:27,401
but before you go, please
consider supporting the Boris
592
00:24:27,501 --> 00:24:29,303
Lawrence Henson Foundation.
593
00:24:29,403 --> 00:24:30,871
They're a non-profit
that improves
594
00:24:30,971 --> 00:24:32,740
mental health services
for Black communities.
595
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,341
If you want to support
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596
00:24:34,441 --> 00:24:36,376
please donate to
the link below.
597
00:24:36,477 --> 00:24:39,146
Now, here is your
moment of zen.
598
00:24:39,246 --> 00:24:41,882
What do you love
most about your son?
599
00:24:41,982 --> 00:24:43,517
Is that even a fair question?
600
00:24:43,617 --> 00:24:45,886
It's not a fair question,
because everything
601
00:24:45,986 --> 00:24:47,955
about my son, I loved.
602
00:24:48,055 --> 00:24:53,227
But what I loved the most,
was the way he affected people
603
00:24:53,327 --> 00:24:55,429
and the way he touched people.
604
00:24:55,529 --> 00:24:57,131
(SINGING) MTV.