1 00:00:00,534 --> 00:00:01,768 [music playing] 2 00:00:01,869 --> 00:00:04,538 ANNOUNCER: From New York City, the only city in America, 3 00:00:04,638 --> 00:00:07,207 it's the show that invented news. 4 00:00:07,307 --> 00:00:12,079 This is The Daily Show, with your host, Sarah Silverman. 5 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:19,186 [applause] 6 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:34,268 Welcome to The Daily Show. 7 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:35,369 I'm Sarah Silverman. 8 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:37,738 And this is my last night hosting the show. 9 00:00:37,838 --> 00:00:40,941 And I'm so sad to leave because I was just getting comfortable 10 00:00:41,041 --> 00:00:43,577 doing that thing where you're mean to the crew guys, 11 00:00:43,677 --> 00:00:45,612 but like, in a loving way. 12 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:49,049 I'm going to miss you Rich, you dumb bastard. 13 00:00:49,149 --> 00:00:52,819 Take care of Charlie, you ugly piece of shit. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,590 Steve, your wife's cheating on you. 15 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:58,325 We've got a great show for you tonight, 16 00:00:58,425 --> 00:00:59,426 so let's get into headlines. 17 00:00:59,526 --> 00:01:01,328 [music playing] 18 00:01:01,428 --> 00:01:05,065 [applause] 19 00:01:05,165 --> 00:01:08,902 Let's begin with Kim Jong-un, the only brutal dictator made 20 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:11,939 in a Build-A-Bear workshop. 21 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:15,075 This week, the North Korean leader announced a new law 22 00:01:15,108 --> 00:01:17,077 that no one else in the country can 23 00:01:17,144 --> 00:01:20,347 have the same name as his 10-year-old daughter, Ju Ae. 24 00:01:20,447 --> 00:01:24,985 And this hits me personally because I'm-- 25 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:26,854 you're ahead of it. 26 00:01:26,954 --> 00:01:31,558 I'm pretty "Jew-ay." 27 00:01:31,658 --> 00:01:33,260 But just imagine how much this would 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,296 suck for all the other Ju Ae's out there, you know? 29 00:01:36,396 --> 00:01:38,498 They got to change their name now. 30 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:40,834 You got to switch your name on your internet bill, 31 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:43,170 your cable bill, your newspaper subscription. 32 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:47,474 I mean, they don't have those there, but still. 33 00:01:47,574 --> 00:01:49,142 Moving on to some important news 34 00:01:49,243 --> 00:01:51,912 from the world of science, I was listening to the radio 35 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:53,347 yesterday, and I heard something 36 00:01:53,447 --> 00:01:54,548 that stopped me short. 37 00:01:54,648 --> 00:01:55,883 Take a listen. 38 00:01:55,983 --> 00:02:02,756 REPORTER: It's now 5:03, and penis length is on the rise. 39 00:02:05,826 --> 00:02:09,363 I'm sorry, what kind of radio station is this? 40 00:02:09,463 --> 00:02:14,468 We've got weather on the ones and penis on the threes. 41 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:16,503 But yes, according to a new study, 42 00:02:16,603 --> 00:02:18,472 the average erect penis length has 43 00:02:18,572 --> 00:02:24,244 increased 24%, over the last three decades, to 5.5 inches. 44 00:02:24,344 --> 00:02:25,612 [applause] 45 00:02:25,712 --> 00:02:28,382 Yeah, I know, right? 46 00:02:28,482 --> 00:02:29,583 Look at that. 47 00:02:29,683 --> 00:02:31,485 Women in the audience are going, that's it? 48 00:02:31,585 --> 00:02:35,155 And the men are like, oh, thank God. 49 00:02:35,255 --> 00:02:37,558 Now no one is sure why this happened. 50 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:41,328 My theory is that at some point around 1993, 51 00:02:41,428 --> 00:02:43,363 men started measuring their penises 52 00:02:43,463 --> 00:02:49,703 starting from their assholes. 53 00:02:49,803 --> 00:02:56,643 This is-- this is not how we expected men to evolve 54 00:02:57,644 --> 00:02:59,479 over the last 30 years. 55 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:01,915 Women have been saying, please, we just want you to be more 56 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:03,250 in touch with your emotions. 57 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:05,352 And men are like, all we can give you is a longer dick. 58 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:09,256 And we're like, OK, we'll take it. 59 00:03:09,356 --> 00:03:12,392 Well, let's move on to the 2024 presidential race, 60 00:03:12,492 --> 00:03:14,695 where GOP candidate Nikki Haley launched 61 00:03:14,795 --> 00:03:17,097 her campaign with a rally that featured a very 62 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:18,532 interesting opening act. 63 00:03:18,632 --> 00:03:20,601 This is John Hagee. 64 00:03:20,701 --> 00:03:22,970 He's an American pastor and a televangelist 65 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:24,972 with a history of making outlandishly 66 00:03:25,072 --> 00:03:26,073 offensive comments. 67 00:03:26,173 --> 00:03:28,542 In 2006, he claimed that Hurricane Katrina 68 00:03:28,642 --> 00:03:31,211 was God's way of punishing the city for allowing 69 00:03:31,311 --> 00:03:32,513 a gay pride parade. 70 00:03:32,613 --> 00:03:34,248 He once claimed that God sent Hitler 71 00:03:34,348 --> 00:03:37,084 to hunt the Jewish people as part of a divine plan 72 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:39,386 to drive them back to the land of Israel. 73 00:03:39,486 --> 00:03:41,388 And he claimed women are only meant to be 74 00:03:41,488 --> 00:03:43,290 mothers and bear children. 75 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:45,626 But Pastor Hagee has found a presidential candidate 76 00:03:45,726 --> 00:03:47,394 who is willing to embrace him. 77 00:03:47,494 --> 00:03:49,096 Today he gave the opening prayer 78 00:03:49,129 --> 00:03:50,831 for the presidential campaign kickoff 79 00:03:50,931 --> 00:03:52,900 for former governor Nikki Haley. 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,469 To Pastor Hagee, I still say I 81 00:03:55,569 --> 00:04:00,440 want to be you when I grow up. 82 00:04:00,541 --> 00:04:03,310 Oh, Pastor Hagee, I hope one day I can appreciate 83 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:04,811 Hitler as much as you do. 84 00:04:04,912 --> 00:04:07,314 I mean, right now my appreciation of Hitler 85 00:04:07,414 --> 00:04:10,884 is like here. 86 00:04:11,051 --> 00:04:17,958 I want to get it up, get it up to about here. 87 00:04:20,727 --> 00:04:24,865 And look, you know, sure, this guy thinks the Holocaust 88 00:04:24,965 --> 00:04:26,366 is good, and that's not good. 89 00:04:26,466 --> 00:04:29,236 But on the bright side, he does believe it happened. 90 00:04:29,336 --> 00:04:34,074 You know, you got to take the W's where you can. 91 00:04:34,174 --> 00:04:36,476 But Pastor Hagee wasn't the only notable person 92 00:04:36,577 --> 00:04:37,778 there last night. 93 00:04:37,878 --> 00:04:40,714 Jordan Klepper also headed down to Nikki Haley's rally 94 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:43,584 for another installment of Fingers the Pulse. 95 00:04:43,684 --> 00:04:44,585 Check it out. 96 00:04:44,685 --> 00:04:45,586 [music playing] 97 00:04:45,686 --> 00:04:51,959 [applause] 98 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:53,961 JORDAN KLEPPER: Nikki Haley, the former South Carolina 99 00:04:54,094 --> 00:04:55,896 governor and Trump UN ambassador 100 00:04:55,996 --> 00:04:57,698 has decided to throw her hat in the ring 101 00:04:57,798 --> 00:04:59,466 and run against her old boss. 102 00:04:59,566 --> 00:05:02,035 So I went to her campaign launch in South Carolina 103 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:05,105 to see if the party was really ready to turn the page. 104 00:05:05,205 --> 00:05:07,541 Are you excited about Nikki Haley for president? 105 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:08,709 Very excited. 106 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:10,377 She has done great things for South Carolina. 107 00:05:10,477 --> 00:05:11,378 She's tough. 108 00:05:11,478 --> 00:05:13,146 She's a woman. Women rule. 109 00:05:13,247 --> 00:05:14,615 The Republican Party needs a change, 110 00:05:14,715 --> 00:05:15,849 and we need someone with Nikki's 111 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:17,317 foreign policy expertise. 112 00:05:17,417 --> 00:05:20,787 I love Donald Trump, but I think that she has 113 00:05:20,888 --> 00:05:23,056 more of a feminine finesse. 114 00:05:23,123 --> 00:05:25,259 You think Trump has a harder time with communicating 115 00:05:25,359 --> 00:05:26,460 with ladies? - Yes. 116 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,661 Yes. 117 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:28,729 He has a harsher approach when it comes to women. 118 00:05:28,829 --> 00:05:30,063 He does. 119 00:05:30,097 --> 00:05:31,231 And he sometimes has to pay for it. 120 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:32,499 He sometimes has a hard time navigating it. 121 00:05:32,599 --> 00:05:33,767 Yes. 122 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:35,235 I mean, I think she's really running to get-- like, 123 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:36,937 I don't think she'll win. 124 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:37,938 Oh, so-- 125 00:05:38,071 --> 00:05:39,206 I think it's for VP. 126 00:05:39,306 --> 00:05:41,308 So this is just sort of like batting practice? 127 00:05:41,408 --> 00:05:42,309 It's just fun to be here. 128 00:05:42,409 --> 00:05:43,310 Why not? 129 00:05:43,410 --> 00:05:44,645 JORDAN KLEPPER: VP or president, I 130 00:05:44,745 --> 00:05:46,847 was curious to see how Haley could win 131 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:49,283 over ardent Trump supporters. 132 00:05:49,383 --> 00:05:50,951 I voted for Trump, but I certainly 133 00:05:51,084 --> 00:05:52,085 will not be doing that again. 134 00:05:52,152 --> 00:05:54,621 When did Trump lose your support? 135 00:05:54,721 --> 00:05:57,124 The nail in the coffin for me with Donald Trump-- 136 00:05:57,224 --> 00:05:58,392 Let me guess-- 137 00:05:58,492 --> 00:05:59,393 Charlottesville? 138 00:05:59,493 --> 00:06:00,494 No. 139 00:06:00,594 --> 00:06:01,895 OK, let me-- 140 00:06:02,029 --> 00:06:03,497 - You're not going to guess it. - Kids in cages? 141 00:06:03,597 --> 00:06:04,498 Nope. 142 00:06:04,598 --> 00:06:05,499 The insurrection, January 6. 143 00:06:05,599 --> 00:06:06,834 The-- no. 144 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:08,535 Oh, OK. Wait, hold on. 145 00:06:08,635 --> 00:06:09,870 First impeachment? - No. 146 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:10,871 - Second impeachment? - Nope. 147 00:06:11,038 --> 00:06:13,207 OK, inviting white supremacists 148 00:06:13,307 --> 00:06:14,741 over to Mar-a-Lago? 149 00:06:14,842 --> 00:06:16,143 No, but that-- 150 00:06:16,243 --> 00:06:20,547 I mean, you know, criticizing DeSantis before his election. 151 00:06:20,647 --> 00:06:21,915 Wouldn't have guessed it. 152 00:06:22,049 --> 00:06:23,050 So that's the line right there? 153 00:06:23,083 --> 00:06:24,117 That was a nail in the coffin for me. 154 00:06:24,218 --> 00:06:25,352 I would have guessed kids in cages. 155 00:06:25,452 --> 00:06:26,753 I told you you wouldn't have guessed it. 156 00:06:26,854 --> 00:06:27,754 I know. 157 00:06:27,855 --> 00:06:29,089 I would have saved you 30 minutes. 158 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:30,624 This is why you come out and talk to people. 159 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:32,059 You're constantly surprised. - Yep. 160 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:33,760 JORDAN KLEPPER: Haley has been either a strong Trump 161 00:06:33,861 --> 00:06:38,065 critic or a vocal Trump ally depending on the time of day. 162 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:39,800 Could this pose a problem? 163 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:40,934 Did you feel like she sufficiently 164 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:43,971 stood up to Donald Trump when she needed to? 165 00:06:44,071 --> 00:06:45,138 I think she has. 166 00:06:45,239 --> 00:06:47,074 And I think Nikki Haley's not afraid to stand 167 00:06:47,107 --> 00:06:50,911 up to any male or female with her voice of opinion. 168 00:06:51,078 --> 00:06:53,313 Yeah, so after January 6, she wasn't afraid to say, 169 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:54,314 this is disgusting? 170 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:55,315 That's right. 171 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,184 And then a couple of weeks later, 172 00:06:57,284 --> 00:06:58,886 to say they were being too hard on him? 173 00:06:58,986 --> 00:06:59,887 Yes. 174 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:01,255 Yes, we agree. 175 00:07:01,355 --> 00:07:02,789 I agree totally. 176 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:06,193 An individual respects you if you can stand up to them. 177 00:07:06,293 --> 00:07:09,162 So if something awful happens like Charlottesville-- 178 00:07:09,263 --> 00:07:10,430 She speaks her mind. 179 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:12,065 Charlottesville happens, she's not afraid to criticize 180 00:07:12,165 --> 00:07:15,035 Trump, walk right in there, and hand in her 52-week notice. 181 00:07:15,068 --> 00:07:16,036 Right is right. 182 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:17,905 She knows right from wrong. 183 00:07:18,038 --> 00:07:20,140 JORDAN KLEPPER: It's a campaign that's distancing itself 184 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,810 from the far right fringe, except if you look closely 185 00:07:23,911 --> 00:07:27,214 at Haley's first speaker, Pastor John Hagee, who has 186 00:07:27,314 --> 00:07:29,183 unusual views on the weather. 187 00:07:29,283 --> 00:07:30,751 As a candidate, you have that responsibility 188 00:07:30,851 --> 00:07:31,952 to not get in the gutter. 189 00:07:32,052 --> 00:07:34,288 So hopefully we can stay in a more positive place. 190 00:07:34,388 --> 00:07:36,156 Well, the first person I saw on stage 191 00:07:36,256 --> 00:07:38,625 was Pastor Hagee, who thinks hurricanes are 192 00:07:38,725 --> 00:07:41,094 a punishment for gay people. 193 00:07:41,195 --> 00:07:42,095 Is that really what he said? 194 00:07:42,196 --> 00:07:43,163 How long ago that? 195 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:44,898 That was-- that was around Katrina. 196 00:07:45,065 --> 00:07:45,899 Yeah. 197 00:07:46,066 --> 00:07:46,967 Yeah. 198 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:48,669 That's an interesting opening act. 199 00:07:48,769 --> 00:07:51,772 Pastor Hagee has said that hurricanes were 200 00:07:51,872 --> 00:07:53,574 God's punishment for gays. 201 00:07:53,674 --> 00:07:54,575 Oh, no. 202 00:07:54,675 --> 00:07:56,510 He preaches the gospel. 203 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:58,078 I mean, I've followed him for years. 204 00:07:58,145 --> 00:07:59,413 Yeah. Yeah. 205 00:07:59,513 --> 00:08:01,515 But maybe if she wants to attract moderates, come 206 00:08:01,615 --> 00:08:04,084 in with a little bit more of a moderate pastor who thinks 207 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:08,021 something more acceptable, like tornadoes are caused 208 00:08:08,088 --> 00:08:09,456 by too much masturbation. 209 00:08:09,556 --> 00:08:12,326 Oh my goodness, yeah, that's way out there, no. 210 00:08:12,426 --> 00:08:13,727 - That's too far? - Oh, yeah. 211 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:15,128 Gotcha. 212 00:08:15,229 --> 00:08:16,697 JORDAN KLEPPER: And there's that line again. 213 00:08:16,797 --> 00:08:17,698 Good to know. 214 00:08:17,798 --> 00:08:20,167 [applause] 215 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:21,668 Thank you, Jordan. 216 00:08:21,768 --> 00:08:23,136 All right, when we come back, I'll 217 00:08:23,237 --> 00:08:25,205 tell you why you're so mad. 218 00:08:25,305 --> 00:08:26,306 So don't go away. 219 00:08:26,406 --> 00:08:29,776 [applause] 220 00:08:38,697 --> 00:08:45,137 [cheering] 221 00:08:49,875 --> 00:08:51,844 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 222 00:08:51,944 --> 00:08:53,712 Ever notice how you hate everyone 223 00:08:53,812 --> 00:08:55,781 who disagrees with you? 224 00:08:55,881 --> 00:08:58,083 If you said yes, then you're not alone. 225 00:08:58,183 --> 00:09:00,119 And if you said no, then [bleep] you. 226 00:09:00,219 --> 00:09:01,954 [laughter] 227 00:09:02,054 --> 00:09:04,823 But you're not the only one who feels this way. 228 00:09:04,923 --> 00:09:08,360 REPORTER: After 244 years together as a nation, 229 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:10,362 we seem to be growing apart. 230 00:09:10,462 --> 00:09:11,630 REPORTER: Americans are fiercely 231 00:09:11,730 --> 00:09:15,234 split not only about policy, but on the basic decency 232 00:09:15,334 --> 00:09:16,268 of the other side. 233 00:09:16,368 --> 00:09:18,270 REPORTER: Growing shares in each party 234 00:09:18,370 --> 00:09:20,439 now describe those in the other party 235 00:09:20,539 --> 00:09:22,841 as more closed minded, dishonest, 236 00:09:22,941 --> 00:09:24,843 immoral, and unintelligent. 237 00:09:24,943 --> 00:09:29,314 REPORTER: According to an NBC poll, 62% of college Democrats 238 00:09:29,415 --> 00:09:31,884 say they would not dorm with a Republican. 239 00:09:31,984 --> 00:09:35,120 REPORTER: 80% of Americans now have few or no 240 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:36,522 friends across the aisle. 241 00:09:36,622 --> 00:09:38,390 REPORTER: In a poll before the last election, 242 00:09:38,490 --> 00:09:41,660 15% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats 243 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,562 agreed that the country would be 244 00:09:43,662 --> 00:09:47,833 better off if large numbers of the opposing party just died. 245 00:09:47,933 --> 00:09:54,106 [laughter] 246 00:09:54,206 --> 00:09:57,443 We'd be better off if the other side just died? 247 00:09:57,543 --> 00:09:58,744 What? 248 00:09:58,844 --> 00:09:59,778 That's crazy. 249 00:09:59,878 --> 00:10:01,480 Please, think about it. 250 00:10:01,580 --> 00:10:04,316 The entire country would be haunted by the ghosts 251 00:10:04,349 --> 00:10:07,019 of your enemies-- 252 00:10:07,119 --> 00:10:12,324 enemies who, by the way, can and will watch you masturbate. 253 00:10:12,391 --> 00:10:14,393 And why can't you share a dorm room with someone 254 00:10:14,493 --> 00:10:15,928 you disagree with politically? 255 00:10:16,028 --> 00:10:19,231 It's a difference of opinion, not airborne chlamydia. 256 00:10:19,331 --> 00:10:22,167 [laughter] 257 00:10:22,334 --> 00:10:24,903 Also, it would be great to dorm with a Republican. 258 00:10:25,003 --> 00:10:26,772 Do you know how fun it would be to sexile 259 00:10:26,872 --> 00:10:29,341 someone who doesn't even believe in premarital sex? 260 00:10:29,374 --> 00:10:31,643 [laughter] 261 00:10:31,744 --> 00:10:33,011 Sorry, don't come in. 262 00:10:33,112 --> 00:10:35,514 We're drying our wet spot with your all lives matter shirt. 263 00:10:35,614 --> 00:10:38,417 [laughter] 264 00:10:38,517 --> 00:10:43,722 [cheering] 265 00:10:43,822 --> 00:10:46,859 So the question is, how did we as a country 266 00:10:46,959 --> 00:10:48,961 become this divided? 267 00:10:49,061 --> 00:10:51,563 Let's talk about it in our latest installment 268 00:10:51,663 --> 00:10:53,732 of Long Story Short. 269 00:10:53,832 --> 00:11:00,305 [cheering] 270 00:11:00,406 --> 00:11:02,307 Outrage in America isn't new. 271 00:11:02,341 --> 00:11:04,076 It's one of our oldest pastimes right 272 00:11:04,176 --> 00:11:06,745 behind baseball and racism. 273 00:11:06,845 --> 00:11:09,548 But what is new is just how much money 274 00:11:09,648 --> 00:11:12,885 entire industries are making off our outrage, 275 00:11:12,985 --> 00:11:14,486 starting with social media. 276 00:11:14,586 --> 00:11:17,055 Their entire business model depends 277 00:11:17,156 --> 00:11:19,324 on keeping your eyeballs on the screen 278 00:11:19,425 --> 00:11:22,561 until your tuchus gets numb on the toilet seat. 279 00:11:22,661 --> 00:11:26,532 And nothing does that better than anger. 280 00:11:26,632 --> 00:11:28,434 I've actually been on the toilet with my phone 281 00:11:28,534 --> 00:11:30,736 so long that I pee again. 282 00:11:30,836 --> 00:11:35,074 [laughter] 283 00:11:35,174 --> 00:11:37,976 In 2018, an internal Facebook report 284 00:11:38,077 --> 00:11:40,412 showed that their algorithm purposely 285 00:11:40,512 --> 00:11:44,116 feeds users divisive content in order to increase 286 00:11:44,283 --> 00:11:46,018 time on their platform. 287 00:11:46,118 --> 00:11:47,553 We've all experienced this. 288 00:11:47,653 --> 00:11:50,456 I mean, personally, I am way more likely to click 289 00:11:50,556 --> 00:11:52,524 on some dude's transphobic rants 290 00:11:52,624 --> 00:11:55,461 than another picture of my cousin's twins. 291 00:11:55,561 --> 00:11:57,696 I mean, don't get me wrong. 292 00:11:57,796 --> 00:12:00,933 Both those kids are [bleep] up in their own truly 293 00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:03,802 fascinating way, but they're not keeping 294 00:12:03,902 --> 00:12:06,538 me scrolling till 2:00 AM. 295 00:12:06,638 --> 00:12:09,908 And once the algorithm figures out what pisses you off, 296 00:12:10,008 --> 00:12:12,778 it runs with it right off a cliff. 297 00:12:12,878 --> 00:12:14,813 REPORTER: In the summer of 2019, 298 00:12:14,913 --> 00:12:16,348 Facebook ran an experiment. 299 00:12:16,448 --> 00:12:20,486 It created a fake account for a 41-year-old mom living 300 00:12:20,586 --> 00:12:21,820 in North Carolina. 301 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,323 They called her Carol Smith. 302 00:12:24,356 --> 00:12:27,226 Carol started off by liking a few popular conservative 303 00:12:27,326 --> 00:12:29,495 Facebook pages like Fox News, Donald 304 00:12:29,595 --> 00:12:30,929 Trump, and Melania Trump. 305 00:12:31,029 --> 00:12:34,166 But quickly Facebook began dragging her down a rabbit 306 00:12:34,333 --> 00:12:36,068 hole of misinformation. 307 00:12:36,168 --> 00:12:39,071 After only two days-- two days-- 308 00:12:39,171 --> 00:12:42,374 Facebook recommended Carol follow a QAnon page. 309 00:12:42,474 --> 00:12:45,477 And a few days later it suggested she follow another. 310 00:12:45,577 --> 00:12:47,413 By week three of the experiment, 311 00:12:47,513 --> 00:12:50,315 Carol's feed had become quote, "a constant flow 312 00:12:50,416 --> 00:12:52,418 of misleading and polarizing content." 313 00:12:52,518 --> 00:12:56,054 And so Facebook began sending push notifications. 314 00:12:56,155 --> 00:12:59,024 One notification was actually to a Facebook post 315 00:12:59,124 --> 00:13:03,462 claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya. 316 00:13:03,562 --> 00:13:07,499 Wow, Facebook radicalized a person in just three weeks. 317 00:13:07,599 --> 00:13:11,937 Even Isis was like, why can't we get numbers like that? 318 00:13:12,037 --> 00:13:14,106 And that's just one example. 319 00:13:14,206 --> 00:13:16,809 Everything on the internet is so sweaty. 320 00:13:16,909 --> 00:13:20,079 I bought one credenza from West Elm in 2016, 321 00:13:20,179 --> 00:13:22,314 and ever since then, they've been emailing me, like, 322 00:13:22,381 --> 00:13:23,715 five times a day. 323 00:13:23,816 --> 00:13:25,784 And by the fifth one, they're so desperate. 324 00:13:25,884 --> 00:13:28,187 They're like, if you check out our new throw pillows, 325 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,455 we'll suck your [bleep]. 326 00:13:29,555 --> 00:13:33,392 [laughter] 327 00:13:33,492 --> 00:13:35,794 But as bad as the internet is, studies 328 00:13:35,894 --> 00:13:38,263 show that it's nothing compared to how cable 329 00:13:38,363 --> 00:13:40,399 news increases polarization. 330 00:13:40,499 --> 00:13:42,501 Because at least on the internet, 331 00:13:42,601 --> 00:13:45,337 different viewpoints sneak their way into your feeds. 332 00:13:45,437 --> 00:13:49,174 But nobody on Earth is flipping back and forth between MSNBC 333 00:13:49,274 --> 00:13:53,278 and Fox News, except for me. 334 00:13:53,345 --> 00:13:55,314 Because I like to break out of my bubble 335 00:13:55,414 --> 00:13:58,684 and watch the reverse mortgage commercials from both sides. 336 00:13:58,784 --> 00:14:02,454 [laughter] 337 00:14:02,554 --> 00:14:06,625 Now, all the major cable news networks rile you up. 338 00:14:06,725 --> 00:14:09,528 But no one is better at it than Fox News. 339 00:14:09,628 --> 00:14:12,064 They've become the top cable news network 340 00:14:12,164 --> 00:14:14,066 by making their viewers livid. 341 00:14:14,166 --> 00:14:16,502 And they're not subtle about it either. 342 00:14:16,602 --> 00:14:18,937 This story will have you fired up this morning. 343 00:14:19,037 --> 00:14:21,673 US soldiers now learning about the dangers 344 00:14:21,774 --> 00:14:23,075 of white privilege. 345 00:14:23,175 --> 00:14:25,144 We have a story that will make your blood boil. 346 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:27,413 Infamous social justice warrior Colin 347 00:14:27,513 --> 00:14:31,383 Kaepernick is now the brand new face of a Nike ad campaign. 348 00:14:31,483 --> 00:14:34,553 If you just paid your taxes, this next story 349 00:14:34,653 --> 00:14:36,188 will piss you off. 350 00:14:36,321 --> 00:14:37,756 This is going to enrage you. 351 00:14:37,856 --> 00:14:39,258 You're going to be outraged when 352 00:14:39,324 --> 00:14:40,793 we tell you what happened. 353 00:14:40,893 --> 00:14:42,261 Prepare to be outraged. 354 00:14:42,327 --> 00:14:43,262 Get ready to be angry. 355 00:14:43,362 --> 00:14:44,530 This story is going to make you sick. 356 00:14:44,630 --> 00:14:46,398 This story will make you want to throw your newspaper, 357 00:14:46,498 --> 00:14:48,033 make your blood boil. 358 00:14:48,133 --> 00:14:50,302 This next news story is going to make you so mad-- 359 00:14:50,402 --> 00:14:51,937 you'll want to punch yourself in the butthole. 360 00:14:52,037 --> 00:14:53,739 [laughter] 361 00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:57,376 You'll be so mad-- you'll puke on your nana. 362 00:14:57,476 --> 00:15:00,446 You'll be so outraged by this next story-- you'll rip out 363 00:15:00,546 --> 00:15:02,281 all your pubes in one pull. 364 00:15:02,381 --> 00:15:06,752 [laughter] 365 00:15:06,852 --> 00:15:08,687 So thank you, cable news. 366 00:15:08,787 --> 00:15:11,623 Now, at the top of the anchor food chain 367 00:15:11,723 --> 00:15:15,294 are the politicians who benefit the most from our outrage. 368 00:15:15,327 --> 00:15:19,131 Because politicians know that rage equals donations. 369 00:15:19,298 --> 00:15:21,800 That's why they're constantly pushing stupid culture 370 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:23,368 war issues on us, whether they're 371 00:15:23,469 --> 00:15:25,604 real or completely made up. 372 00:15:25,704 --> 00:15:28,173 This morning, a new warning about the dangers 373 00:15:28,307 --> 00:15:30,843 of misinformation spreading online and making 374 00:15:30,943 --> 00:15:32,544 its way into political races. 375 00:15:32,644 --> 00:15:35,380 And this latest claim that some school districts 376 00:15:35,481 --> 00:15:38,150 are providing cat litter boxes for students 377 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:39,685 who identify as cats. 378 00:15:39,785 --> 00:15:41,754 REPORTER: The first sign of the rumor in the US 379 00:15:41,854 --> 00:15:44,356 appears to have been this Michigan School board meeting 380 00:15:44,456 --> 00:15:46,825 last December, where it was discussed by a parent 381 00:15:46,925 --> 00:15:49,428 without proof, then shared on Facebook 382 00:15:49,528 --> 00:15:52,064 by a chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party, 383 00:15:52,164 --> 00:15:53,365 referring to furries. 384 00:15:53,465 --> 00:15:56,869 The false story snaking its way across the country 385 00:15:56,969 --> 00:15:59,738 and now into Republican stump speeches. 386 00:15:59,838 --> 00:16:01,507 Have you heard about the litter boxes stuff? 387 00:16:01,607 --> 00:16:02,775 [crowd agrees] 388 00:16:02,875 --> 00:16:04,843 If we don't push back on the craziness, 389 00:16:04,943 --> 00:16:06,178 it's not going to end. 390 00:16:06,278 --> 00:16:10,449 A cat-- they put tails on, and they demand that they have 391 00:16:10,549 --> 00:16:11,850 a litter box in the school. 392 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:13,652 Not because there's actual cats in the room, 393 00:16:13,752 --> 00:16:16,088 but because there's kids going around licking themselves 394 00:16:16,188 --> 00:16:17,489 as though they're cats. 395 00:16:17,589 --> 00:16:19,525 We've literally got kids who think 396 00:16:19,625 --> 00:16:24,296 they're cats and dogs, using litter boxes in classrooms. 397 00:16:24,329 --> 00:16:25,297 No, you don't. 398 00:16:25,330 --> 00:16:28,100 [laughter] 399 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,937 [applause] 400 00:16:32,037 --> 00:16:34,440 You literally don't. 401 00:16:34,540 --> 00:16:38,143 Kids are not trying to shit in litter boxes in school-- 402 00:16:38,243 --> 00:16:39,478 or at all. 403 00:16:39,578 --> 00:16:43,082 I mean, most kids won't shit in toilets in school. 404 00:16:43,248 --> 00:16:44,783 Are you kidding me? 405 00:16:44,883 --> 00:16:48,253 Other kids might know that you shit, and that's a secret. 406 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,988 [laughter] 407 00:16:50,089 --> 00:16:51,723 This is how I know it's a lie-- 408 00:16:51,824 --> 00:16:54,326 because they don't have one example 409 00:16:54,426 --> 00:16:56,261 of it happening-- not one. 410 00:16:56,295 --> 00:16:58,163 But that didn't stop them from spreading 411 00:16:58,263 --> 00:17:00,132 it because it benefits them. 412 00:17:00,265 --> 00:17:02,634 So long story short, if you're wondering 413 00:17:02,735 --> 00:17:06,605 why you're so angry all the time, it's not a coincidence. 414 00:17:06,705 --> 00:17:09,074 The system is designed to provoke you. 415 00:17:09,174 --> 00:17:11,443 And politicians like this system 416 00:17:11,543 --> 00:17:13,278 because they profit from it. 417 00:17:13,345 --> 00:17:14,813 They survive from it. 418 00:17:14,913 --> 00:17:18,283 They can say anything as long as it's what their audience 419 00:17:18,383 --> 00:17:19,685 wants to believe. 420 00:17:19,785 --> 00:17:22,788 That's why when there was a bill that would have required 421 00:17:22,888 --> 00:17:25,090 fundraising emails to be fact checked, 422 00:17:25,190 --> 00:17:28,393 Marjorie Taylor Greene blocked it. 423 00:17:28,494 --> 00:17:30,496 Now that was a lie I just made up. 424 00:17:30,596 --> 00:17:32,931 [laughter] 425 00:17:33,031 --> 00:17:36,835 But you all licked it up, didn't you? 426 00:17:36,935 --> 00:17:39,838 You're so ready to donate to my campaign. 427 00:17:39,938 --> 00:17:43,142 [applause] 428 00:17:43,242 --> 00:17:46,979 And once you notice how much this system profits off 429 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:50,449 your anger, it's not surprising that people would like 430 00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:52,785 the other side to just die. 431 00:17:52,885 --> 00:17:54,987 It's not surprising that people are 432 00:17:55,087 --> 00:17:57,756 afraid to dorm with the monsters who believe 433 00:17:57,856 --> 00:17:59,324 different lies than us. 434 00:17:59,425 --> 00:18:03,328 It's not even surprising when a mob of people believing they 435 00:18:03,429 --> 00:18:05,931 are righteous stormed the Capitol, 436 00:18:06,031 --> 00:18:09,268 an event where, ironically, a bunch of furries 437 00:18:09,301 --> 00:18:11,737 used Nancy Pelosi's office as a litter box. 438 00:18:11,837 --> 00:18:13,572 [laughter] 439 00:18:13,672 --> 00:18:17,309 All right, stay tuned because when we come back, 440 00:18:17,409 --> 00:18:19,278 we'll talk more about this with New 441 00:18:19,344 --> 00:18:20,846 Yorker writer Jia Tolentino. 442 00:18:20,946 --> 00:18:24,316 [cheering] 443 00:18:33,193 --> 00:18:39,633 [cheering] 444 00:18:40,634 --> 00:18:42,636 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 445 00:18:42,736 --> 00:18:45,572 My guest tonight is a staff writer at The New Yorker 446 00:18:45,672 --> 00:18:47,808 and author of the best seller, Trick Mirror-- 447 00:18:47,908 --> 00:18:49,710 Reflections on Self Delusion. 448 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:51,712 She's here to talk about social media 449 00:18:51,812 --> 00:18:54,681 companies monetizing hate and how we can use the internet 450 00:18:54,781 --> 00:18:55,882 as a force for good. 451 00:18:55,983 --> 00:18:57,784 Please, welcome Jia Tolentino. 452 00:18:57,884 --> 00:19:01,088 [cheering] 453 00:19:01,188 --> 00:19:08,195 Yes! 454 00:19:14,501 --> 00:19:17,004 So you've written about social media companies 455 00:19:17,104 --> 00:19:19,306 and how they monetize rage. 456 00:19:19,406 --> 00:19:21,942 Is there any way to-- 457 00:19:22,042 --> 00:19:23,110 is there any way that they could 458 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:25,879 be incentivized to stop this? 459 00:19:25,979 --> 00:19:27,514 One way that I think about it is, like, 460 00:19:27,614 --> 00:19:30,751 did corporations all throughout, like, 461 00:19:30,851 --> 00:19:33,020 the last century until the '70s have any incentive 462 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,622 to stop poisoning rivers and dumping their waste 463 00:19:35,789 --> 00:19:36,623 all over the place? 464 00:19:36,790 --> 00:19:37,624 They didn't. 465 00:19:37,791 --> 00:19:40,260 It's cheaper to be shitty, right? 466 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,163 Like, it is in their financial best interest 467 00:19:43,263 --> 00:19:45,432 to just keep poisoning the river until someone 468 00:19:45,532 --> 00:19:46,867 makes them stop, which we could. 469 00:19:46,967 --> 00:19:50,070 But it's in their best interest for us to feel bad, right? 470 00:19:50,170 --> 00:19:52,673 You never hear someone being like, I had an amazing day. 471 00:19:52,806 --> 00:19:56,610 I just sat, and I scrolled for six hours, right? 472 00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:59,279 It's like you only do that when you feel-- you only scroll 473 00:19:59,379 --> 00:20:00,547 that long when you feel bad. 474 00:20:00,647 --> 00:20:02,516 And when you do that, when you scroll for that long, 475 00:20:02,616 --> 00:20:03,684 you feel even worse. 476 00:20:03,817 --> 00:20:04,818 And then you do it more. 477 00:20:04,851 --> 00:20:07,521 And that cycle is the primary way-- 478 00:20:07,621 --> 00:20:08,822 SARAH SILVERMAN: It's like cocaine. 479 00:20:08,855 --> 00:20:11,992 It is like cocaine, except less fun. 480 00:20:12,092 --> 00:20:13,093 Right. 481 00:20:13,193 --> 00:20:14,828 I'm chasing that first one. 482 00:20:14,861 --> 00:20:16,463 It's just not going to come back to you. 483 00:20:16,563 --> 00:20:17,698 Yeah, exactly. 484 00:20:17,831 --> 00:20:22,202 But it's interesting because I see stories 485 00:20:22,302 --> 00:20:26,106 pop up that give me outrage. 486 00:20:26,206 --> 00:20:28,609 And I realize that they're designed to do it. 487 00:20:28,709 --> 00:20:30,210 Like, it took me a second. 488 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:33,280 A friend of mine who leans a little right 489 00:20:33,380 --> 00:20:39,052 texted me this story about how the LGBT community wants 490 00:20:39,152 --> 00:20:42,889 to ban "Natural Woman"-- you make 491 00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:45,192 me feel like a natural woman by Aretha Franklin. 492 00:20:45,292 --> 00:20:48,996 And I did, like, two clicks of research, and, of course, 493 00:20:49,096 --> 00:20:52,432 it was from a parody account, but picked up from papers. 494 00:20:52,532 --> 00:20:54,134 And then the parity account even 495 00:20:54,234 --> 00:20:56,904 said afterwards, like, nobody called us for a comment-- 496 00:20:57,004 --> 00:20:58,338 not one person. - Right. 497 00:20:58,438 --> 00:20:59,806 And then-- 498 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,408 JIA TOLENTINO: No one checked the about page on the website. 499 00:21:01,508 --> 00:21:03,810 Yeah, and then on the left, you know, 500 00:21:03,911 --> 00:21:07,147 I read an article about the Missouri Senate 501 00:21:07,247 --> 00:21:10,417 making women senators-- they couldn't wear 502 00:21:10,517 --> 00:21:11,418 sleeveless shirts. 503 00:21:11,518 --> 00:21:14,588 And I was about to go apeshit. 504 00:21:14,688 --> 00:21:16,290 And then I went, oh, but the men 505 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:17,491 have to wear ties and suits. 506 00:21:17,591 --> 00:21:18,825 It's just a dress code. 507 00:21:18,892 --> 00:21:21,028 But it was designed to make me go bananas, and it did. 508 00:21:21,128 --> 00:21:22,329 Right. 509 00:21:22,429 --> 00:21:25,399 I mean, everything-- like, if you are on a social media 510 00:21:25,499 --> 00:21:28,468 platform that what you see is governed by an algorithm, 511 00:21:28,569 --> 00:21:29,970 which is basically all the major ones, 512 00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:32,506 it's all designed to make you feel like the best 513 00:21:32,606 --> 00:21:34,608 person possible and that everyone 514 00:21:34,775 --> 00:21:37,644 else is a dumb piece of shit. 515 00:21:37,778 --> 00:21:40,047 That is what gets us to spend as much time on there 516 00:21:40,147 --> 00:21:41,048 as possible. 517 00:21:41,148 --> 00:21:42,049 SARAH SILVERMAN: Yeah, I used to call 518 00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:43,050 that righteousness porn. 519 00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:44,484 - Yeah. - Yeah. 520 00:21:44,585 --> 00:21:45,786 Yeah, and then you realize you don't 521 00:21:45,852 --> 00:21:47,220 actually want to see these male lawmakers 522 00:21:47,321 --> 00:21:48,322 wearing tank tops anyway. 523 00:21:48,422 --> 00:21:49,323 You don't see them-- 524 00:21:49,423 --> 00:21:50,691 we don't see anyone's upper arms. 525 00:21:50,791 --> 00:21:53,260 You just want to be able to say, point to someone as wrong 526 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:54,394 and me as right. - Right. 527 00:21:54,494 --> 00:21:55,696 And you get off on it. 528 00:21:55,796 --> 00:21:56,863 And it's also, like, there's so many things 529 00:21:56,964 --> 00:21:57,998 to actually be mad about. 530 00:21:58,098 --> 00:21:59,266 And a lot of the stuff that's-- it's like, some 531 00:21:59,366 --> 00:22:00,267 celebrity said something dumb. 532 00:22:00,367 --> 00:22:02,102 It's like, do we care? 533 00:22:02,202 --> 00:22:04,404 Does this matter? 534 00:22:04,504 --> 00:22:06,807 Like, I think one of the things that drives me 535 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,809 personally nuts about all of it is that there's 536 00:22:08,909 --> 00:22:10,277 no sense of scale. 537 00:22:10,377 --> 00:22:12,512 It's like everything is presented as equally 538 00:22:12,613 --> 00:22:15,015 and maximally enraging when, actually, there are 539 00:22:15,115 --> 00:22:16,216 some things that matter a lot. 540 00:22:16,316 --> 00:22:19,019 Most things matter very little or nothing at all. 541 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,655 And we're taught that we should all be as mad as possible 542 00:22:21,822 --> 00:22:23,023 about all of it all the time, right? 543 00:22:23,123 --> 00:22:24,291 Well, yeah. 544 00:22:24,391 --> 00:22:27,227 I mean, like, you went off Twitter a few years ago-- 545 00:22:27,327 --> 00:22:28,228 congratulations. 546 00:22:28,328 --> 00:22:29,830 Thank you so much. 547 00:22:29,897 --> 00:22:30,831 Thank you. 548 00:22:30,898 --> 00:22:31,832 Thank you. 549 00:22:31,899 --> 00:22:33,000 [applause] 550 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,534 I thought it would turn me into, like, 551 00:22:34,635 --> 00:22:37,838 a genius and, like, a great happy person, and it just-- 552 00:22:37,938 --> 00:22:39,106 I'm wasting just a little less time. 553 00:22:39,206 --> 00:22:40,140 SARAH SILVERMAN: Right, right. 554 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,875 But, I mean, like, I definitely-- like, 555 00:22:41,975 --> 00:22:44,177 I'm kind of exit only on there now. 556 00:22:44,278 --> 00:22:45,545 And is that right? 557 00:22:45,646 --> 00:22:47,180 I just will post stuff I need to post for-- 558 00:22:47,281 --> 00:22:48,181 You get in and out. 559 00:22:48,282 --> 00:22:49,182 --show dates or something. 560 00:22:49,283 --> 00:22:51,852 But that has made my life a little-- 561 00:22:51,952 --> 00:22:53,120 definitely a little-- you realize 562 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,155 that Twitter is not the world. 563 00:22:55,255 --> 00:22:56,156 Right, right. 564 00:22:56,256 --> 00:22:58,258 And, I mean, I got off because-- 565 00:22:58,358 --> 00:22:59,793 like, I don't know if you had this experience, 566 00:22:59,893 --> 00:23:02,896 but it was like as soon as the pandemic started-- 567 00:23:02,996 --> 00:23:06,433 and my life shrank to one room and a weekly trip 568 00:23:06,533 --> 00:23:07,834 to the grocery store. 569 00:23:07,935 --> 00:23:09,870 And the internet ballooned to fill the rest of my existence. 570 00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:11,705 And I was like, this sucks, you know? 571 00:23:11,805 --> 00:23:13,640 Like, the internet is never supposed 572 00:23:13,807 --> 00:23:15,809 to be bigger than your life. 573 00:23:15,876 --> 00:23:18,111 And when the pandemic made it bigger 574 00:23:18,211 --> 00:23:20,814 than actual, physical life, I was like, I 575 00:23:20,847 --> 00:23:21,815 got to get out of here. 576 00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:23,650 Twitter is such a cesspool now. 577 00:23:23,817 --> 00:23:25,719 It's so negative. 578 00:23:25,819 --> 00:23:29,690 How-- is there any way to unravel this? 579 00:23:29,823 --> 00:23:34,561 Well, I think that as long as these companies-- 580 00:23:34,661 --> 00:23:37,464 the primary way they make their money is for us to spend 581 00:23:37,564 --> 00:23:40,767 as much time as possible on them, and the best way, 582 00:23:40,801 --> 00:23:43,270 as you were saying in that segment, 583 00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:45,339 for them to ensure that we spend as much time on them 584 00:23:45,439 --> 00:23:48,442 as possible is through all of the emotions that make us feel 585 00:23:48,542 --> 00:23:51,411 as bad as possible-- self righteousness and anger 586 00:23:51,511 --> 00:23:54,681 and everyone getting as mad as possible 587 00:23:54,781 --> 00:23:55,949 as a group about something you're going 588 00:23:56,049 --> 00:23:57,985 to forget about the next day. 589 00:23:58,085 --> 00:24:00,821 As long as that is the economic model, there is no hope. 590 00:24:00,921 --> 00:24:04,391 But I think, again, as with the corporations that 591 00:24:04,491 --> 00:24:06,960 were making all the fish die in the rivers, 592 00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:08,095 you can make them change. 593 00:24:08,195 --> 00:24:10,330 We could regulate this. 594 00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:13,867 Right, if we put pressure on our government or-- 595 00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:15,102 Yeah, I mean, well-- 596 00:24:15,202 --> 00:24:16,103 [laughs] 597 00:24:16,203 --> 00:24:19,439 Our government is, like, also nursing 598 00:24:19,539 --> 00:24:21,942 at the teat of big tech. 599 00:24:22,042 --> 00:24:25,312 100% I think one thing that's necessary 600 00:24:25,412 --> 00:24:28,448 is for people to remember that we 601 00:24:28,548 --> 00:24:32,419 don't have to feel like, yeah, yeah, the internet-- 602 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,588 we all feel insane on the internet. 603 00:24:34,755 --> 00:24:35,856 We all feel so bad all the time. 604 00:24:35,956 --> 00:24:38,492 And that's just the way it is, right? 605 00:24:38,592 --> 00:24:43,630 I think that we are capable of getting as mad about this 606 00:24:43,764 --> 00:24:45,265 as people did about-- 607 00:24:45,365 --> 00:24:46,967 in the environmental movement in the '70s, right? 608 00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:49,503 Like, we are capable of generating pressure 609 00:24:49,603 --> 00:24:50,804 and putting it on lawmakers. 610 00:24:50,904 --> 00:24:54,775 And there are things like you could 611 00:24:54,808 --> 00:24:57,277 end automated recommendations, right? 612 00:24:57,377 --> 00:24:59,179 Automated recommendations are the reasons 613 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,884 that a mom of two in Cleveland starts looking up 614 00:25:03,984 --> 00:25:05,886 smoothie recipes for her two-year-old 615 00:25:05,986 --> 00:25:09,022 and ends up believing that Wayfair is shipping 616 00:25:09,122 --> 00:25:10,657 orphans in their things. 617 00:25:10,791 --> 00:25:11,658 And the-- 618 00:25:11,792 --> 00:25:12,926 Designed to radicalize. 619 00:25:13,026 --> 00:25:15,662 Exactly right, and so much of that-- 620 00:25:15,796 --> 00:25:19,800 so much of that is automated recommendations because that-- 621 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:21,201 and people have been recommending 622 00:25:21,301 --> 00:25:22,836 for years for that. 623 00:25:22,936 --> 00:25:26,573 Simply ending those, those are one of the biggest reasons 624 00:25:26,673 --> 00:25:28,542 that the internet has gotten so much worse, so much less 625 00:25:28,642 --> 00:25:32,145 fun, so much less surprising is because these companies just 626 00:25:32,246 --> 00:25:33,580 identify the kind of person you are, 627 00:25:33,747 --> 00:25:36,450 and then funnel you towards whatever the worst 628 00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:37,751 version of that person is. 629 00:25:37,784 --> 00:25:39,186 YouTube is bizarre. 630 00:25:39,286 --> 00:25:41,321 One time, I made the mistake of going like, 631 00:25:41,421 --> 00:25:43,357 what is this globaliza-- 632 00:25:43,457 --> 00:25:44,758 like, globalists? 633 00:25:44,858 --> 00:25:46,627 What do they mean by globalists? 634 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,796 And I became an anti-Semite within, like, 15 minutes. 635 00:25:49,897 --> 00:25:50,797 [laughter] 636 00:25:50,898 --> 00:25:53,367 Yeah, it's amazing how well it works. 637 00:25:53,467 --> 00:25:56,770 And there are things like you could end legal immunity 638 00:25:56,837 --> 00:25:58,505 for these companies if violence is 639 00:25:58,605 --> 00:26:01,775 caused by something that was generated on these platforms. 640 00:26:01,842 --> 00:26:04,211 The worst that actual offline life 641 00:26:04,311 --> 00:26:06,213 is, the more people spend on the internet, right? 642 00:26:06,313 --> 00:26:08,782 And we just have really done very little 643 00:26:08,815 --> 00:26:11,351 in terms of public policy to make actual life better 644 00:26:11,451 --> 00:26:14,121 for people, right, to give people more money and more 645 00:26:14,221 --> 00:26:18,558 freedom and to give people free public spaces to hang out 646 00:26:18,659 --> 00:26:21,428 so it's not like the only place they hang out is the internet. 647 00:26:21,528 --> 00:26:25,799 We've done so little to improve actual life that it, I think, 648 00:26:25,866 --> 00:26:28,535 is one of the things that drives people over 649 00:26:28,635 --> 00:26:30,137 and over to just be like-- 650 00:26:30,237 --> 00:26:31,138 SARAH SILVERMAN: Yeah. 651 00:26:31,238 --> 00:26:32,139 You know? 652 00:26:32,239 --> 00:26:33,740 Like, for hours at a time. 653 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,442 And, I mean, I feel like a Boomer saying that, 654 00:26:35,542 --> 00:26:37,744 but I feel like that would help a lot. 655 00:26:37,811 --> 00:26:38,745 Well, yeah. 656 00:26:38,812 --> 00:26:40,480 Also, it's like-- 657 00:26:40,581 --> 00:26:43,450 I feel like social media originally was designed-- 658 00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:45,886 or its intention was to connect, right? 659 00:26:45,986 --> 00:26:47,154 To connect people. 660 00:26:47,254 --> 00:26:50,090 But, instead, I think it's kind of put us in silos, 661 00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:54,361 and it's given us this existential, like, do I exist? 662 00:26:54,461 --> 00:26:59,132 Even selfies I feel like are just a constant question of, 663 00:26:59,233 --> 00:27:00,434 do I exist? I exist, right? 664 00:27:00,534 --> 00:27:01,501 JIA TOLENTINO: Right. 665 00:27:01,602 --> 00:27:05,372 And it's interesting, but there's anger. 666 00:27:05,472 --> 00:27:07,841 People make money from our anger. 667 00:27:07,941 --> 00:27:09,276 They get clicks from anger. 668 00:27:09,376 --> 00:27:13,013 But there's some good anger on the internet, 669 00:27:13,113 --> 00:27:15,816 where people are organizing. 670 00:27:15,916 --> 00:27:16,984 JIA TOLENTINO: Right. 671 00:27:17,084 --> 00:27:18,285 So how do you-- 672 00:27:18,385 --> 00:27:20,254 not how do you differentiate, but how 673 00:27:20,354 --> 00:27:22,623 do you keep the good anger and get 674 00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:24,691 us away from the shitty anger? 675 00:27:24,791 --> 00:27:26,226 Well, what you were saying about connection, 676 00:27:26,326 --> 00:27:27,694 it's like we-- 677 00:27:27,794 --> 00:27:30,631 the version of connection that is generated through hate 678 00:27:30,797 --> 00:27:35,202 is not a kind of connection that makes sense in real life. 679 00:27:35,302 --> 00:27:37,237 It's only a kind of connection that 680 00:27:37,337 --> 00:27:39,940 is incentivized and sounds good on the internet, right? 681 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,042 Like, in real life, where we actually, like, oh, I 682 00:27:42,142 --> 00:27:46,113 want to spend six hours face deep in the business 683 00:27:46,213 --> 00:27:49,149 of someone I hate, no, right? 684 00:27:49,249 --> 00:27:51,518 We do our business based on affinity and the things 685 00:27:51,618 --> 00:27:52,619 that we care about and the things 686 00:27:52,753 --> 00:27:54,588 that we positively want. 687 00:27:54,755 --> 00:27:58,091 And I think about, as much as I think the internet as it's 688 00:27:58,191 --> 00:28:00,193 structured right now is kind of inevitably 689 00:28:00,294 --> 00:28:04,131 an existential and civic net negative, that there 690 00:28:04,231 --> 00:28:05,365 are still these things. 691 00:28:05,465 --> 00:28:07,901 I mean, you think about the protests, summer 2020. 692 00:28:08,001 --> 00:28:10,304 They wouldn't have turned into what they became with, like, 693 00:28:10,404 --> 00:28:13,640 a quarter of Americans hitting the streets at some point 694 00:28:13,774 --> 00:28:17,044 if it wasn't for a continual stream of videos on Twitter 695 00:28:17,144 --> 00:28:19,780 of police brutalizing the protesters at the police 696 00:28:19,846 --> 00:28:22,249 brutality protests, right? 697 00:28:22,349 --> 00:28:24,651 There is still radical potential. 698 00:28:24,785 --> 00:28:26,820 You think about what people are doing with abortion access 699 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,022 right now on the internet, forming 700 00:28:29,122 --> 00:28:30,624 these underground networks and getting people 701 00:28:30,791 --> 00:28:32,626 to travel across state lines and making sure anyone 702 00:28:32,726 --> 00:28:34,328 can get pills who needs them. 703 00:28:34,428 --> 00:28:37,864 You know, I try to remember that we still can and will 704 00:28:37,965 --> 00:28:41,835 try to be human within a mechanism 705 00:28:41,935 --> 00:28:44,204 that wants us to be less so. 706 00:28:44,304 --> 00:28:45,439 And we can keep doing it. 707 00:28:45,539 --> 00:28:48,008 SARAH SILVERMAN: Well, yeah, it's like the Wild West, 708 00:28:48,108 --> 00:28:51,211 but the leaders are billionaires. 709 00:28:51,311 --> 00:28:52,646 And, I mean, everything-- 710 00:28:52,746 --> 00:28:55,215 I feel like every single thing, every conversation 711 00:28:55,315 --> 00:28:58,518 I've had here, I feel like, boils down to Citizens United. 712 00:28:58,619 --> 00:29:02,422 Because as long as people can line politicians' pockets, 713 00:29:02,522 --> 00:29:03,657 they're buying policy. 714 00:29:03,757 --> 00:29:06,059 And our votes don't-- 715 00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:07,227 I mean, your vote counts. 716 00:29:07,327 --> 00:29:09,062 [laughter] 717 00:29:09,162 --> 00:29:10,631 Our votes just simply don't count. 718 00:29:10,731 --> 00:29:11,632 [laughs] 719 00:29:11,732 --> 00:29:13,967 Yeah, but that's very frustrating. 720 00:29:14,067 --> 00:29:16,770 It doesn't-- it's clearly not right. 721 00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:18,605 You know, but, of course, they name it Citizens United. 722 00:29:18,705 --> 00:29:19,606 It sounds beautiful. 723 00:29:19,706 --> 00:29:20,807 Let's hold for the siren. 724 00:29:20,908 --> 00:29:21,942 No, I'm just kidding. 725 00:29:22,042 --> 00:29:23,543 Just wanted to show that I'm in show business, 726 00:29:23,644 --> 00:29:25,579 and I know how things work. 727 00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:27,414 Well, yeah, and I think part of it-- 728 00:29:27,514 --> 00:29:29,249 I mean, we see this pushback now, right? 729 00:29:29,349 --> 00:29:31,618 There is a fomenting sort of pushback 730 00:29:31,718 --> 00:29:32,920 and a dissatisfaction. 731 00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:36,256 And the hope is that it bubbles over into actual pressure 732 00:29:36,356 --> 00:29:39,026 on lawmakers to do something. 733 00:29:39,126 --> 00:29:42,796 But for a long time we accepted the general model 734 00:29:42,863 --> 00:29:44,131 of Silicon Valley, the move fast, 735 00:29:44,231 --> 00:29:46,300 break things, sort of move faster than regulation 736 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,467 could ever get you. 737 00:29:47,568 --> 00:29:49,636 We accepted that as like, oh, that's amazing. 738 00:29:49,803 --> 00:29:51,838 That will result in us pressing a button 739 00:29:51,939 --> 00:29:55,809 and getting, like, a car at our doorstep and any kind of food 740 00:29:55,842 --> 00:29:56,810 we want. 741 00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:59,379 Like, we for a really long time accepted 742 00:29:59,479 --> 00:30:02,049 the conveniences that the internet economy provides us. 743 00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:03,450 We're such sluts for convenience. 744 00:30:03,550 --> 00:30:05,819 We're such little sluts for convenience. 745 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:08,689 And then they just snap those little handcuffs of anger 746 00:30:08,822 --> 00:30:09,890 around us, and here we are. 747 00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:14,995 Yeah, you go like, iPhones are made by child labor. 748 00:30:15,095 --> 00:30:16,663 I'm going to-- well, let's see. 749 00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:17,731 JIA TOLENTINO: Order some stuff. 750 00:30:17,831 --> 00:30:18,865 Yeah. 751 00:30:18,966 --> 00:30:20,500 JIA TOLENTINO: Click to order. 752 00:30:20,601 --> 00:30:22,436 Yeah, like Amazon, you know? 753 00:30:22,536 --> 00:30:24,938 I was like, no, no one's boycotting Amazon. 754 00:30:25,038 --> 00:30:26,139 It's too convenient. 755 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,108 Yeah, but the thing is you can. 756 00:30:28,208 --> 00:30:30,944 And I think that, like, the real first step in all of this 757 00:30:31,044 --> 00:30:32,512 is remembering, like, we-- 758 00:30:32,613 --> 00:30:34,781 I mean, I have to have-- it's very Orwellian. 759 00:30:34,848 --> 00:30:38,085 I have a program called Self Control on my computer 760 00:30:38,185 --> 00:30:40,153 and a program called Freedom on my phone. 761 00:30:40,254 --> 00:30:43,490 And those things because I have neither, and both 762 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:45,826 of those things lock me off of social media 763 00:30:45,926 --> 00:30:47,794 for, like, 15 hours a day. 764 00:30:47,828 --> 00:30:50,030 And I have needed to do that because I'm 765 00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:54,067 such a little slut for all of the things that makes me mad. 766 00:30:54,167 --> 00:30:55,569 And it does work. 767 00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:58,438 Like, you can just refuse to participate 768 00:30:58,538 --> 00:31:01,241 in little, little bits until maybe, suddenly, 769 00:31:01,341 --> 00:31:02,476 your life has changed a little. 770 00:31:02,576 --> 00:31:05,846 And I would recommend-- it's worth a try. 771 00:31:05,946 --> 00:31:06,980 SARAH SILVERMAN: Yeah, definitely. 772 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,515 I mean, they say, like, of course, 773 00:31:08,615 --> 00:31:10,284 nobody can sleep because you're on your phones. 774 00:31:10,384 --> 00:31:11,885 You've got to turn the screens off. 775 00:31:11,985 --> 00:31:14,721 And I'm like, yeah, but, also, no. 776 00:31:14,821 --> 00:31:16,690 But I prefer to drop my phone on my forehead-- 777 00:31:16,823 --> 00:31:17,691 That's exactly what I do. 778 00:31:17,824 --> 00:31:18,692 --seven times a night. 779 00:31:18,825 --> 00:31:20,327 This is when I go to sleep. Oh, oh. 780 00:31:20,427 --> 00:31:21,328 Yeah, yeah. 781 00:31:21,428 --> 00:31:22,829 Oh, OK. 782 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:24,831 How do we fix the internet? 783 00:31:24,932 --> 00:31:28,168 [laughter] 784 00:31:28,268 --> 00:31:30,270 Is there any hope in all of this? 785 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:31,972 Yeah, yeah. 786 00:31:32,072 --> 00:31:35,042 I think in regulation, and I think in public pushback. 787 00:31:35,142 --> 00:31:36,977 And I think in all of us spending less time 788 00:31:37,077 --> 00:31:38,478 on our phone, whether that means 789 00:31:38,579 --> 00:31:41,548 refusing convenience, certain things that are convenient. 790 00:31:41,648 --> 00:31:43,784 I think it means-- 791 00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:45,652 I think all of these things are possible. 792 00:31:45,786 --> 00:31:51,491 But we have to maybe accept that in order 793 00:31:51,592 --> 00:31:53,527 to resist social media, in order 794 00:31:53,627 --> 00:31:56,230 to resist the constant surveillance that's hitting us 795 00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:58,365 on our phone that all these companies are, like, tracking 796 00:31:58,465 --> 00:32:00,000 and reselling to other companies 797 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,669 to make money off of everything we do, 798 00:32:02,803 --> 00:32:04,071 we have to maybe refuse a little bit 799 00:32:04,171 --> 00:32:05,606 of the cheap pleasure and the convenience 800 00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:06,940 that the phone gives us. 801 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,875 But I think we can. 802 00:32:08,976 --> 00:32:10,210 All right, OK. 803 00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:12,412 I think we can too. 804 00:32:12,512 --> 00:32:15,582 The paperback edition of Trick Mirror is available now. 805 00:32:15,682 --> 00:32:17,150 Check this out. 806 00:32:17,251 --> 00:32:18,819 OK, we're going to take a quick break, 807 00:32:18,885 --> 00:32:20,020 but we'll be right back after this. 808 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,021 Thank you so much. 809 00:32:21,121 --> 00:32:22,022 Thank you. 810 00:32:22,122 --> 00:32:25,392 [cheering] 811 00:32:27,627 --> 00:32:28,695 [applause] 812 00:32:28,795 --> 00:32:30,330 Well, that's our show for tonight, 813 00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:32,165 and that's my time for this week. 814 00:32:32,265 --> 00:32:34,534 But come back again because your next host 815 00:32:34,634 --> 00:32:36,036 is Hasan Minhaj. 816 00:32:36,136 --> 00:32:38,405 And if you want to catch a little more of me, 817 00:32:38,505 --> 00:32:40,306 come out and come see me on tour. 818 00:32:40,407 --> 00:32:43,209 Check out the link or the QR code below for dates. 819 00:32:43,309 --> 00:32:46,613 And now here it is, your moment of zen. 820 00:32:46,713 --> 00:32:48,415 FEMALE REPORTER: Due to old laws on the books in South 821 00:32:48,515 --> 00:32:51,685 Carolina, anyone under 18 playing pinball machines 822 00:32:51,785 --> 00:32:53,219 is breaking the law. 823 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:54,220 MAN: How old are you, Clark? 824 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,355 13. 825 00:32:55,455 --> 00:32:56,790 MAN: OK, Clark, did you know in South Carolina, 826 00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:59,159 it's illegal for anybody 17 and under to play pinball? 827 00:32:59,259 --> 00:33:00,160 It is? 828 00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:02,696 MAN: It is. 829 00:33:02,796 --> 00:33:04,464 You going to keep playing pinball, Clark? 830 00:33:04,564 --> 00:33:05,498 Probably. 831 00:33:05,598 --> 00:33:07,067 MTV.