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I'm Sarah Silverman.
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And this is my last
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And I'm so sad to leave because
I was just getting comfortable
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doing that thing where
you're mean to the crew guys,
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but like, in a loving way.
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I'm going to miss you
Rich, you dumb bastard.
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Take care of Charlie,
you ugly piece of shit.
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Steve, your wife's
cheating on you.
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We've got a great
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so let's get into headlines.
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Let's begin with Kim Jong-un,
the only brutal dictator made
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in a Build-A-Bear workshop.
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This week, the North Korean
leader announced a new law
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that no one else
in the country can
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have the same name as his
10-year-old daughter, Ju Ae.
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And this hits me
personally because I'm--
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you're ahead of it.
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I'm pretty "Jew-ay."
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But just imagine
how much this would
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suck for all the other Ju
Ae's out there, you know?
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They got to change
their name now.
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You got to switch your
name on your internet bill,
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your cable bill, your
newspaper subscription.
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I mean, they don't have
those there, but still.
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Moving on to some
important news
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from the world of science,
I was listening to the radio
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yesterday, and I
heard something
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that stopped me short.
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Take a listen.
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REPORTER: It's now 5:03, and
penis length is on the rise.
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I'm sorry, what kind
of radio station is this?
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We've got weather on the
ones and penis on the threes.
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But yes, according
to a new study,
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the average erect
penis length has
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increased 24%, over the last
three decades, to 5.5 inches.
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Yeah, I know, right?
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Look at that.
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Women in the audience
are going, that's it?
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And the men are
like, oh, thank God.
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Now no one is sure
why this happened.
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My theory is that at
some point around 1993,
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men started measuring
their penises
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starting from their assholes.
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This is-- this is not how
we expected men to evolve
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over the last 30 years.
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Women have been saying, please,
we just want you to be more
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in touch with your emotions.
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And men are like, all we can
give you is a longer dick.
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And we're like,
OK, we'll take it.
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Well, let's move on to the
2024 presidential race,
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where GOP candidate
Nikki Haley launched
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her campaign with a rally
that featured a very
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interesting opening act.
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This is John Hagee.
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He's an American pastor
and a televangelist
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with a history of
making outlandishly
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offensive comments.
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In 2006, he claimed
that Hurricane Katrina
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was God's way of punishing
the city for allowing
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a gay pride parade.
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He once claimed
that God sent Hitler
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to hunt the Jewish people
as part of a divine plan
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to drive them back to
the land of Israel.
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And he claimed women
are only meant to be
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mothers and bear children.
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But Pastor Hagee has found
a presidential candidate
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who is willing to embrace him.
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Today he gave the
opening prayer
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for the presidential
campaign kickoff
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for former governor
Nikki Haley.
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To Pastor Hagee,
I still say I
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want to be you when I grow up.
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Oh, Pastor Hagee, I hope
one day I can appreciate
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Hitler as much as you do.
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I mean, right now my
appreciation of Hitler
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is like here.
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I want to get it up,
get it up to about here.
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And look, you know, sure,
this guy thinks the Holocaust
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is good, and that's not good.
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But on the bright side, he
does believe it happened.
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You know, you got to take
the W's where you can.
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But Pastor Hagee wasn't
the only notable person
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there last night.
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Jordan Klepper also headed
down to Nikki Haley's rally
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for another installment
of Fingers the Pulse.
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Check it out.
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JORDAN KLEPPER: Nikki Haley,
the former South Carolina
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governor and Trump
UN ambassador
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has decided to throw
her hat in the ring
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and run against her old boss.
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So I went to her campaign
launch in South Carolina
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to see if the party was
really ready to turn the page.
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Are you excited about
Nikki Haley for president?
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Very excited.
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She has done great things
for South Carolina.
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She's tough.
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She's a woman.
Women rule.
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The Republican
Party needs a change,
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and we need someone
with Nikki's
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foreign policy expertise.
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I love Donald Trump,
but I think that she has
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more of a feminine finesse.
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You think Trump has a
harder time with communicating
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with ladies?
- Yes.
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Yes.
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He has a harsher approach
when it comes to women.
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He does.
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And he sometimes
has to pay for it.
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He sometimes has a hard
time navigating it.
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Yes.
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I mean, I think she's
really running to get-- like,
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I don't think she'll win.
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Oh, so--
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I think it's for VP.
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So this is just sort
of like batting practice?
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It's just fun to be here.
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Why not?
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JORDAN KLEPPER:
VP or president, I
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was curious to see
how Haley could win
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over ardent Trump supporters.
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I voted for Trump,
but I certainly
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will not be doing that again.
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When did Trump
lose your support?
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The nail in the coffin
for me with Donald Trump--
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Let me guess--
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Charlottesville?
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No.
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OK, let me--
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- You're not going to guess it.
- Kids in cages?
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Nope.
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The insurrection, January 6.
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The-- no.
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Oh, OK.
Wait, hold on.
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First impeachment?
- No.
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- Second impeachment?
- Nope.
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OK, inviting
white supremacists
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over to Mar-a-Lago?
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No, but that--
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I mean, you know, criticizing
DeSantis before his election.
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Wouldn't have guessed it.
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So that's the line right there?
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That was a nail in
the coffin for me.
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I would have
guessed kids in cages.
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I told you you
wouldn't have guessed it.
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I know.
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I would have saved
you 30 minutes.
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This is why you come
out and talk to people.
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You're constantly surprised.
- Yep.
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JORDAN KLEPPER: Haley has
been either a strong Trump
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critic or a vocal Trump ally
depending on the time of day.
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Could this pose a problem?
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Did you feel like
she sufficiently
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stood up to Donald Trump
when she needed to?
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I think she has.
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And I think Nikki Haley's
not afraid to stand
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up to any male or female
with her voice of opinion.
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Yeah, so after January 6,
she wasn't afraid to say,
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this is disgusting?
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That's right.
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And then a couple
of weeks later,
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to say they were
being too hard on him?
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Yes.
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Yes, we agree.
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I agree totally.
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An individual respects you
if you can stand up to them.
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So if something awful
happens like Charlottesville--
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She speaks her mind.
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Charlottesville happens,
she's not afraid to criticize
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Trump, walk right in there,
and hand in her 52-week notice.
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Right is right.
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She knows right from wrong.
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JORDAN KLEPPER: It's a campaign
that's distancing itself
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from the far right fringe,
except if you look closely
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at Haley's first speaker,
Pastor John Hagee, who has
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unusual views on the weather.
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As a candidate, you
have that responsibility
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to not get in the gutter.
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So hopefully we can stay
in a more positive place.
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Well, the first
person I saw on stage
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was Pastor Hagee, who
thinks hurricanes are
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a punishment for gay people.
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Is that really what he said?
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How long ago that?
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That was-- that
was around Katrina.
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That's an interesting
opening act.
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Pastor Hagee has said
that hurricanes were
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God's punishment for gays.
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Oh, no.
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He preaches the gospel.
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I mean, I've followed
him for years.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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But maybe if she wants to
attract moderates, come
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in with a little bit more of
a moderate pastor who thinks
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something more acceptable,
like tornadoes are caused
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by too much masturbation.
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Oh my goodness, yeah,
that's way out there, no.
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- That's too far?
- Oh, yeah.
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JORDAN KLEPPER: And
there's that line again.
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Good to know.
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Thank you, Jordan.
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All right, when
we come back, I'll
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tell you why you're so mad.
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So don't go away.
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Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
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Ever notice how
you hate everyone
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who disagrees with you?
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If you said yes, then
you're not alone.
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And if you said no,
then [bleep] you.
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[laughter]
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But you're not the only
one who feels this way.
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REPORTER: After 244 years
together as a nation,
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we seem to be growing apart.
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REPORTER: Americans
are fiercely
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split not only about policy,
but on the basic decency
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of the other side.
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REPORTER: Growing
shares in each party
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now describe those
in the other party
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as more closed
minded, dishonest,
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immoral, and unintelligent.
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REPORTER: According to an NBC
poll, 62% of college Democrats
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say they would not
dorm with a Republican.
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REPORTER: 80% of Americans
now have few or no
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friends across the aisle.
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REPORTER: In a poll
before the last election,
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15% of Republicans
and 20% of Democrats
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agreed that the
country would be
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better off if large numbers of
the opposing party just died.
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[laughter]
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We'd be better off if
the other side just died?
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What?
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That's crazy.
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Please, think about it.
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The entire country would
be haunted by the ghosts
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of your enemies--
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enemies who, by the way, can
and will watch you masturbate.
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And why can't you share
a dorm room with someone
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you disagree with politically?
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It's a difference of opinion,
not airborne chlamydia.
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[laughter]
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Also, it would be great
to dorm with a Republican.
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Do you know how fun
it would be to sexile
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someone who doesn't even
believe in premarital sex?
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[laughter]
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Sorry, don't come in.
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We're drying our wet spot with
your all lives matter shirt.
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[laughter]
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[cheering]
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So the question is,
how did we as a country
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become this divided?
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Let's talk about it in
our latest installment
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of Long Story Short.
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[cheering]
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Outrage in America isn't new.
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It's one of our
oldest pastimes right
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behind baseball and racism.
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But what is new is
just how much money
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entire industries are
making off our outrage,
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starting with social media.
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Their entire business
model depends
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on keeping your
eyeballs on the screen
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until your tuchus gets
numb on the toilet seat.
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And nothing does that
better than anger.
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I've actually been on
the toilet with my phone
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so long that I pee again.
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[laughter]
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In 2018, an internal
Facebook report
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showed that their
algorithm purposely
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feeds users divisive
content in order to increase
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time on their platform.
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We've all experienced this.
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I mean, personally, I am
way more likely to click
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on some dude's
transphobic rants
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than another picture
of my cousin's twins.
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I mean, don't get me wrong.
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Both those kids are [bleep]
up in their own truly
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fascinating way, but
they're not keeping
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me scrolling till 2:00 AM.
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And once the algorithm figures
out what pisses you off,
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it runs with it
right off a cliff.
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REPORTER: In the
summer of 2019,
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Facebook ran an experiment.
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It created a fake account
for a 41-year-old mom living
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in North Carolina.
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They called her Carol Smith.
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Carol started off by liking
a few popular conservative
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Facebook pages like
Fox News, Donald
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Trump, and Melania Trump.
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But quickly Facebook began
dragging her down a rabbit
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hole of misinformation.
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After only two
days-- two days--
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Facebook recommended
Carol follow a QAnon page.
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And a few days later it
suggested she follow another.
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By week three of
the experiment,
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Carol's feed had become
quote, "a constant flow
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of misleading and
polarizing content."
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And so Facebook began
sending push notifications.
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One notification was
actually to a Facebook post
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claiming Barack Obama
was born in Kenya.
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Wow, Facebook radicalized
a person in just three weeks.
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Even Isis was like, why can't
we get numbers like that?
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And that's just one example.
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Everything on the
internet is so sweaty.
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I bought one credenza
from West Elm in 2016,
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and ever since then, they've
been emailing me, like,
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five times a day.
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And by the fifth one,
they're so desperate.
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They're like, if you check
out our new throw pillows,
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we'll suck your [bleep].
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[laughter]
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But as bad as the
internet is, studies
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show that it's nothing
compared to how cable
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news increases polarization.
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Because at least
on the internet,
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different viewpoints sneak
their way into your feeds.
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But nobody on Earth is flipping
back and forth between MSNBC
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and Fox News, except for me.
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Because I like to
break out of my bubble
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and watch the reverse mortgage
commercials from both sides.
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[laughter]
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Now, all the major cable
news networks rile you up.
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But no one is better
at it than Fox News.
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They've become the
top cable news network
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by making their viewers livid.
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And they're not subtle
about it either.
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This story will have
you fired up this morning.
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US soldiers now learning
about the dangers
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of white privilege.
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We have a story that
will make your blood boil.
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Infamous social
justice warrior Colin
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Kaepernick is now the brand
new face of a Nike ad campaign.
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If you just paid your
taxes, this next story
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will piss you off.
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This is going to enrage you.
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You're going to
be outraged when
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we tell you what happened.
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Prepare to be outraged.
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Get ready to be angry.
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This story is going
to make you sick.
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This story will make you
want to throw your newspaper,
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make your blood boil.
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This next news story is
going to make you so mad--
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you'll want to punch
yourself in the butthole.
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[laughter]
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You'll be so mad--
you'll puke on your nana.
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You'll be so outraged by this
next story-- you'll rip out
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all your pubes in one pull.
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[laughter]
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So thank you, cable news.
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Now, at the top of
the anchor food chain
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are the politicians who benefit
the most from our outrage.
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Because politicians know
that rage equals donations.
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That's why they're constantly
pushing stupid culture
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war issues on us,
whether they're
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real or completely made up.
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This morning, a new
warning about the dangers
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of misinformation
spreading online and making
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its way into political races.
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And this latest claim
that some school districts
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are providing cat litter
boxes for students
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who identify as cats.
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REPORTER: The first sign
of the rumor in the US
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appears to have been this
Michigan School board meeting
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last December, where it
was discussed by a parent
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without proof, then
shared on Facebook
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by a chairwoman of the
Michigan Republican Party,
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referring to furries.
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The false story snaking
its way across the country
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and now into Republican
stump speeches.
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Have you heard about
the litter boxes stuff?
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[crowd agrees]
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If we don't push back
on the craziness,
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it's not going to end.
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A cat-- they put tails on,
and they demand that they have
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a litter box in the school.
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Not because there's
actual cats in the room,
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but because there's kids going
around licking themselves
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as though they're cats.
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We've literally
got kids who think
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they're cats and dogs, using
litter boxes in classrooms.
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No, you don't.
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[laughter]
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[applause]
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You literally don't.
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Kids are not trying to shit
in litter boxes in school--
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or at all.
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I mean, most kids won't
shit in toilets in school.
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Are you kidding me?
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Other kids might know that
you shit, and that's a secret.
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[laughter]
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This is how I know it's a lie--
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because they don't
have one example
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of it happening-- not one.
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But that didn't stop
them from spreading
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it because it benefits them.
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So long story short,
if you're wondering
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why you're so angry all the
time, it's not a coincidence.
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The system is designed
to provoke you.
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And politicians
like this system
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because they profit from it.
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They survive from it.
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They can say anything as long
as it's what their audience
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wants to believe.
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That's why when there was a
bill that would have required
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fundraising emails
to be fact checked,
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00:17:25,190 --> 00:17:28,393
Marjorie Taylor
Greene blocked it.
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Now that was a lie
I just made up.
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[laughter]
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But you all licked
it up, didn't you?
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You're so ready to
donate to my campaign.
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[applause]
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00:17:43,242 --> 00:17:46,979
And once you notice how
much this system profits off
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your anger, it's not surprising
that people would like
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the other side to just die.
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It's not surprising
that people are
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afraid to dorm with the
monsters who believe
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different lies than us.
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It's not even surprising when
a mob of people believing they
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are righteous
stormed the Capitol,
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an event where, ironically,
a bunch of furries
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00:18:09,301 --> 00:18:11,737
used Nancy Pelosi's
office as a litter box.
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[laughter]
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All right, stay tuned
because when we come back,
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we'll talk more
about this with New
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Yorker writer Jia Tolentino.
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[cheering]
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[cheering]
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Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
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My guest tonight is a staff
writer at The New Yorker
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and author of the best
seller, Trick Mirror--
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Reflections on Self Delusion.
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She's here to talk
about social media
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companies monetizing hate and
how we can use the internet
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as a force for good.
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Please, welcome Jia Tolentino.
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[cheering]
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Yes!
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So you've written about
social media companies
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and how they monetize rage.
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Is there any way to--
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is there any way
that they could
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be incentivized to stop this?
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One way that I think
about it is, like,
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did corporations all
throughout, like,
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the last century until the
'70s have any incentive
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to stop poisoning rivers
and dumping their waste
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all over the place?
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They didn't.
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It's cheaper to
be shitty, right?
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Like, it is in their
financial best interest
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to just keep poisoning
the river until someone
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makes them stop,
which we could.
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But it's in their best interest
for us to feel bad, right?
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You never hear someone being
like, I had an amazing day.
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I just sat, and I scrolled
for six hours, right?
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It's like you only do that
when you feel-- you only scroll
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that long when you feel bad.
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And when you do that, when
you scroll for that long,
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you feel even worse.
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And then you do it more.
477
00:20:04,851 --> 00:20:07,521
And that cycle is
the primary way--
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SARAH SILVERMAN:
It's like cocaine.
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It is like cocaine,
except less fun.
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Right.
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00:20:13,193 --> 00:20:14,828
I'm chasing that first one.
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It's just not going
to come back to you.
483
00:20:16,563 --> 00:20:17,698
Yeah, exactly.
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00:20:17,831 --> 00:20:22,202
But it's interesting
because I see stories
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pop up that give me outrage.
486
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And I realize that
they're designed to do it.
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Like, it took me a second.
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A friend of mine who
leans a little right
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texted me this story about
how the LGBT community wants
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to ban "Natural
Woman"-- you make
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me feel like a natural
woman by Aretha Franklin.
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And I did, like, two clicks
of research, and, of course,
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it was from a parody account,
but picked up from papers.
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And then the
parity account even
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said afterwards, like, nobody
called us for a comment--
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not one person.
- Right.
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And then--
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JIA TOLENTINO: No one checked
the about page on the website.
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Yeah, and then on
the left, you know,
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I read an article about
the Missouri Senate
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making women senators--
they couldn't wear
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sleeveless shirts.
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And I was about to go apeshit.
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And then I went,
oh, but the men
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have to wear ties and suits.
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It's just a dress code.
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00:21:18,892 --> 00:21:21,028
But it was designed to make
me go bananas, and it did.
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Right.
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I mean, everything-- like,
if you are on a social media
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platform that what you see
is governed by an algorithm,
511
00:21:28,569 --> 00:21:29,970
which is basically
all the major ones,
512
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:32,506
it's all designed to make
you feel like the best
513
00:21:32,606 --> 00:21:34,608
person possible
and that everyone
514
00:21:34,775 --> 00:21:37,644
else is a dumb piece of shit.
515
00:21:37,778 --> 00:21:40,047
That is what gets us to
spend as much time on there
516
00:21:40,147 --> 00:21:41,048
as possible.
517
00:21:41,148 --> 00:21:42,049
SARAH SILVERMAN:
Yeah, I used to call
518
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:43,050
that righteousness porn.
519
00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:44,484
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
520
00:21:44,585 --> 00:21:45,786
Yeah, and then you
realize you don't
521
00:21:45,852 --> 00:21:47,220
actually want to see
these male lawmakers
522
00:21:47,321 --> 00:21:48,322
wearing tank tops anyway.
523
00:21:48,422 --> 00:21:49,323
You don't see them--
524
00:21:49,423 --> 00:21:50,691
we don't see
anyone's upper arms.
525
00:21:50,791 --> 00:21:53,260
You just want to be able to
say, point to someone as wrong
526
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:54,394
and me as right.
- Right.
527
00:21:54,494 --> 00:21:55,696
And you get off on it.
528
00:21:55,796 --> 00:21:56,863
And it's also, like,
there's so many things
529
00:21:56,964 --> 00:21:57,998
to actually be mad about.
530
00:21:58,098 --> 00:21:59,266
And a lot of the stuff
that's-- it's like, some
531
00:21:59,366 --> 00:22:00,267
celebrity said something dumb.
532
00:22:00,367 --> 00:22:02,102
It's like, do we care?
533
00:22:02,202 --> 00:22:04,404
Does this matter?
534
00:22:04,504 --> 00:22:06,807
Like, I think one of the
things that drives me
535
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,809
personally nuts about
all of it is that there's
536
00:22:08,909 --> 00:22:10,277
no sense of scale.
537
00:22:10,377 --> 00:22:12,512
It's like everything
is presented as equally
538
00:22:12,613 --> 00:22:15,015
and maximally enraging
when, actually, there are
539
00:22:15,115 --> 00:22:16,216
some things that matter a lot.
540
00:22:16,316 --> 00:22:19,019
Most things matter very
little or nothing at all.
541
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,655
And we're taught that we should
all be as mad as possible
542
00:22:21,822 --> 00:22:23,023
about all of it all
the time, right?
543
00:22:23,123 --> 00:22:24,291
Well, yeah.
544
00:22:24,391 --> 00:22:27,227
I mean, like, you went off
Twitter a few years ago--
545
00:22:27,327 --> 00:22:28,228
congratulations.
546
00:22:28,328 --> 00:22:29,830
Thank you so much.
547
00:22:29,897 --> 00:22:30,831
Thank you.
548
00:22:30,898 --> 00:22:31,832
Thank you.
549
00:22:31,899 --> 00:22:33,000
[applause]
550
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,534
I thought it would
turn me into, like,
551
00:22:34,635 --> 00:22:37,838
a genius and, like, a great
happy person, and it just--
552
00:22:37,938 --> 00:22:39,106
I'm wasting just a
little less time.
553
00:22:39,206 --> 00:22:40,140
SARAH SILVERMAN: Right, right.
554
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,875
But, I mean, like,
I definitely-- like,
555
00:22:41,975 --> 00:22:44,177
I'm kind of exit
only on there now.
556
00:22:44,278 --> 00:22:45,545
And is that right?
557
00:22:45,646 --> 00:22:47,180
I just will post stuff
I need to post for--
558
00:22:47,281 --> 00:22:48,181
You get in and out.
559
00:22:48,282 --> 00:22:49,182
--show dates or something.
560
00:22:49,283 --> 00:22:51,852
But that has made
my life a little--
561
00:22:51,952 --> 00:22:53,120
definitely a
little-- you realize
562
00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,155
that Twitter is not the world.
563
00:22:55,255 --> 00:22:56,156
Right, right.
564
00:22:56,256 --> 00:22:58,258
And, I mean, I
got off because--
565
00:22:58,358 --> 00:22:59,793
like, I don't know if
you had this experience,
566
00:22:59,893 --> 00:23:02,896
but it was like as soon
as the pandemic started--
567
00:23:02,996 --> 00:23:06,433
and my life shrank to one
room and a weekly trip
568
00:23:06,533 --> 00:23:07,834
to the grocery store.
569
00:23:07,935 --> 00:23:09,870
And the internet ballooned to
fill the rest of my existence.
570
00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:11,705
And I was like, this
sucks, you know?
571
00:23:11,805 --> 00:23:13,640
Like, the internet
is never supposed
572
00:23:13,807 --> 00:23:15,809
to be bigger than your life.
573
00:23:15,876 --> 00:23:18,111
And when the pandemic
made it bigger
574
00:23:18,211 --> 00:23:20,814
than actual, physical
life, I was like, I
575
00:23:20,847 --> 00:23:21,815
got to get out of here.
576
00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:23,650
Twitter is such
a cesspool now.
577
00:23:23,817 --> 00:23:25,719
It's so negative.
578
00:23:25,819 --> 00:23:29,690
How-- is there any
way to unravel this?
579
00:23:29,823 --> 00:23:34,561
Well, I think that as
long as these companies--
580
00:23:34,661 --> 00:23:37,464
the primary way they make
their money is for us to spend
581
00:23:37,564 --> 00:23:40,767
as much time as possible
on them, and the best way,
582
00:23:40,801 --> 00:23:43,270
as you were saying
in that segment,
583
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:45,339
for them to ensure that we
spend as much time on them
584
00:23:45,439 --> 00:23:48,442
as possible is through all of
the emotions that make us feel
585
00:23:48,542 --> 00:23:51,411
as bad as possible-- self
righteousness and anger
586
00:23:51,511 --> 00:23:54,681
and everyone getting
as mad as possible
587
00:23:54,781 --> 00:23:55,949
as a group about
something you're going
588
00:23:56,049 --> 00:23:57,985
to forget about the next day.
589
00:23:58,085 --> 00:24:00,821
As long as that is the economic
model, there is no hope.
590
00:24:00,921 --> 00:24:04,391
But I think, again, as
with the corporations that
591
00:24:04,491 --> 00:24:06,960
were making all the
fish die in the rivers,
592
00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:08,095
you can make them change.
593
00:24:08,195 --> 00:24:10,330
We could regulate this.
594
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:13,867
Right, if we put pressure
on our government or--
595
00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:15,102
Yeah, I mean, well--
596
00:24:15,202 --> 00:24:16,103
[laughs]
597
00:24:16,203 --> 00:24:19,439
Our government is,
like, also nursing
598
00:24:19,539 --> 00:24:21,942
at the teat of big tech.
599
00:24:22,042 --> 00:24:25,312
100% I think one
thing that's necessary
600
00:24:25,412 --> 00:24:28,448
is for people to
remember that we
601
00:24:28,548 --> 00:24:32,419
don't have to feel like,
yeah, yeah, the internet--
602
00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,588
we all feel insane
on the internet.
603
00:24:34,755 --> 00:24:35,856
We all feel so
bad all the time.
604
00:24:35,956 --> 00:24:38,492
And that's just the
way it is, right?
605
00:24:38,592 --> 00:24:43,630
I think that we are capable
of getting as mad about this
606
00:24:43,764 --> 00:24:45,265
as people did about--
607
00:24:45,365 --> 00:24:46,967
in the environmental
movement in the '70s, right?
608
00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:49,503
Like, we are capable
of generating pressure
609
00:24:49,603 --> 00:24:50,804
and putting it on lawmakers.
610
00:24:50,904 --> 00:24:54,775
And there are things
like you could
611
00:24:54,808 --> 00:24:57,277
end automated
recommendations, right?
612
00:24:57,377 --> 00:24:59,179
Automated recommendations
are the reasons
613
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,884
that a mom of two in
Cleveland starts looking up
614
00:25:03,984 --> 00:25:05,886
smoothie recipes
for her two-year-old
615
00:25:05,986 --> 00:25:09,022
and ends up believing
that Wayfair is shipping
616
00:25:09,122 --> 00:25:10,657
orphans in their things.
617
00:25:10,791 --> 00:25:11,658
And the--
618
00:25:11,792 --> 00:25:12,926
Designed to radicalize.
619
00:25:13,026 --> 00:25:15,662
Exactly right, and
so much of that--
620
00:25:15,796 --> 00:25:19,800
so much of that is automated
recommendations because that--
621
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:21,201
and people have
been recommending
622
00:25:21,301 --> 00:25:22,836
for years for that.
623
00:25:22,936 --> 00:25:26,573
Simply ending those, those
are one of the biggest reasons
624
00:25:26,673 --> 00:25:28,542
that the internet has gotten
so much worse, so much less
625
00:25:28,642 --> 00:25:32,145
fun, so much less surprising
is because these companies just
626
00:25:32,246 --> 00:25:33,580
identify the kind
of person you are,
627
00:25:33,747 --> 00:25:36,450
and then funnel you
towards whatever the worst
628
00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:37,751
version of that person is.
629
00:25:37,784 --> 00:25:39,186
YouTube is bizarre.
630
00:25:39,286 --> 00:25:41,321
One time, I made the
mistake of going like,
631
00:25:41,421 --> 00:25:43,357
what is this globaliza--
632
00:25:43,457 --> 00:25:44,758
like, globalists?
633
00:25:44,858 --> 00:25:46,627
What do they mean
by globalists?
634
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,796
And I became an anti-Semite
within, like, 15 minutes.
635
00:25:49,897 --> 00:25:50,797
[laughter]
636
00:25:50,898 --> 00:25:53,367
Yeah, it's amazing
how well it works.
637
00:25:53,467 --> 00:25:56,770
And there are things like
you could end legal immunity
638
00:25:56,837 --> 00:25:58,505
for these companies
if violence is
639
00:25:58,605 --> 00:26:01,775
caused by something that was
generated on these platforms.
640
00:26:01,842 --> 00:26:04,211
The worst that
actual offline life
641
00:26:04,311 --> 00:26:06,213
is, the more people spend
on the internet, right?
642
00:26:06,313 --> 00:26:08,782
And we just have
really done very little
643
00:26:08,815 --> 00:26:11,351
in terms of public policy
to make actual life better
644
00:26:11,451 --> 00:26:14,121
for people, right, to give
people more money and more
645
00:26:14,221 --> 00:26:18,558
freedom and to give people
free public spaces to hang out
646
00:26:18,659 --> 00:26:21,428
so it's not like the only place
they hang out is the internet.
647
00:26:21,528 --> 00:26:25,799
We've done so little to improve
actual life that it, I think,
648
00:26:25,866 --> 00:26:28,535
is one of the things
that drives people over
649
00:26:28,635 --> 00:26:30,137
and over to just be like--
650
00:26:30,237 --> 00:26:31,138
SARAH SILVERMAN: Yeah.
651
00:26:31,238 --> 00:26:32,139
You know?
652
00:26:32,239 --> 00:26:33,740
Like, for hours at a time.
653
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,442
And, I mean, I feel like
a Boomer saying that,
654
00:26:35,542 --> 00:26:37,744
but I feel like that
would help a lot.
655
00:26:37,811 --> 00:26:38,745
Well, yeah.
656
00:26:38,812 --> 00:26:40,480
Also, it's like--
657
00:26:40,581 --> 00:26:43,450
I feel like social media
originally was designed--
658
00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:45,886
or its intention was
to connect, right?
659
00:26:45,986 --> 00:26:47,154
To connect people.
660
00:26:47,254 --> 00:26:50,090
But, instead, I think it's
kind of put us in silos,
661
00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:54,361
and it's given us this
existential, like, do I exist?
662
00:26:54,461 --> 00:26:59,132
Even selfies I feel like are
just a constant question of,
663
00:26:59,233 --> 00:27:00,434
do I exist?
I exist, right?
664
00:27:00,534 --> 00:27:01,501
JIA TOLENTINO: Right.
665
00:27:01,602 --> 00:27:05,372
And it's interesting,
but there's anger.
666
00:27:05,472 --> 00:27:07,841
People make money
from our anger.
667
00:27:07,941 --> 00:27:09,276
They get clicks from anger.
668
00:27:09,376 --> 00:27:13,013
But there's some good
anger on the internet,
669
00:27:13,113 --> 00:27:15,816
where people are organizing.
670
00:27:15,916 --> 00:27:16,984
JIA TOLENTINO: Right.
671
00:27:17,084 --> 00:27:18,285
So how do you--
672
00:27:18,385 --> 00:27:20,254
not how do you
differentiate, but how
673
00:27:20,354 --> 00:27:22,623
do you keep the
good anger and get
674
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:24,691
us away from the shitty anger?
675
00:27:24,791 --> 00:27:26,226
Well, what you were
saying about connection,
676
00:27:26,326 --> 00:27:27,694
it's like we--
677
00:27:27,794 --> 00:27:30,631
the version of connection
that is generated through hate
678
00:27:30,797 --> 00:27:35,202
is not a kind of connection
that makes sense in real life.
679
00:27:35,302 --> 00:27:37,237
It's only a kind
of connection that
680
00:27:37,337 --> 00:27:39,940
is incentivized and sounds
good on the internet, right?
681
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,042
Like, in real life, where
we actually, like, oh, I
682
00:27:42,142 --> 00:27:46,113
want to spend six hours
face deep in the business
683
00:27:46,213 --> 00:27:49,149
of someone I hate, no, right?
684
00:27:49,249 --> 00:27:51,518
We do our business based
on affinity and the things
685
00:27:51,618 --> 00:27:52,619
that we care about
and the things
686
00:27:52,753 --> 00:27:54,588
that we positively want.
687
00:27:54,755 --> 00:27:58,091
And I think about, as much as
I think the internet as it's
688
00:27:58,191 --> 00:28:00,193
structured right now
is kind of inevitably
689
00:28:00,294 --> 00:28:04,131
an existential and civic
net negative, that there
690
00:28:04,231 --> 00:28:05,365
are still these things.
691
00:28:05,465 --> 00:28:07,901
I mean, you think about
the protests, summer 2020.
692
00:28:08,001 --> 00:28:10,304
They wouldn't have turned into
what they became with, like,
693
00:28:10,404 --> 00:28:13,640
a quarter of Americans hitting
the streets at some point
694
00:28:13,774 --> 00:28:17,044
if it wasn't for a continual
stream of videos on Twitter
695
00:28:17,144 --> 00:28:19,780
of police brutalizing the
protesters at the police
696
00:28:19,846 --> 00:28:22,249
brutality protests, right?
697
00:28:22,349 --> 00:28:24,651
There is still
radical potential.
698
00:28:24,785 --> 00:28:26,820
You think about what people
are doing with abortion access
699
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,022
right now on the
internet, forming
700
00:28:29,122 --> 00:28:30,624
these underground networks
and getting people
701
00:28:30,791 --> 00:28:32,626
to travel across state
lines and making sure anyone
702
00:28:32,726 --> 00:28:34,328
can get pills who needs them.
703
00:28:34,428 --> 00:28:37,864
You know, I try to remember
that we still can and will
704
00:28:37,965 --> 00:28:41,835
try to be human
within a mechanism
705
00:28:41,935 --> 00:28:44,204
that wants us to be less so.
706
00:28:44,304 --> 00:28:45,439
And we can keep doing it.
707
00:28:45,539 --> 00:28:48,008
SARAH SILVERMAN: Well, yeah,
it's like the Wild West,
708
00:28:48,108 --> 00:28:51,211
but the leaders
are billionaires.
709
00:28:51,311 --> 00:28:52,646
And, I mean, everything--
710
00:28:52,746 --> 00:28:55,215
I feel like every single
thing, every conversation
711
00:28:55,315 --> 00:28:58,518
I've had here, I feel like,
boils down to Citizens United.
712
00:28:58,619 --> 00:29:02,422
Because as long as people can
line politicians' pockets,
713
00:29:02,522 --> 00:29:03,657
they're buying policy.
714
00:29:03,757 --> 00:29:06,059
And our votes don't--
715
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:07,227
I mean, your vote counts.
716
00:29:07,327 --> 00:29:09,062
[laughter]
717
00:29:09,162 --> 00:29:10,631
Our votes just
simply don't count.
718
00:29:10,731 --> 00:29:11,632
[laughs]
719
00:29:11,732 --> 00:29:13,967
Yeah, but that's
very frustrating.
720
00:29:14,067 --> 00:29:16,770
It doesn't-- it's
clearly not right.
721
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:18,605
You know, but, of course,
they name it Citizens United.
722
00:29:18,705 --> 00:29:19,606
It sounds beautiful.
723
00:29:19,706 --> 00:29:20,807
Let's hold for the siren.
724
00:29:20,908 --> 00:29:21,942
No, I'm just kidding.
725
00:29:22,042 --> 00:29:23,543
Just wanted to show that
I'm in show business,
726
00:29:23,644 --> 00:29:25,579
and I know how things work.
727
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:27,414
Well, yeah, and I
think part of it--
728
00:29:27,514 --> 00:29:29,249
I mean, we see this
pushback now, right?
729
00:29:29,349 --> 00:29:31,618
There is a fomenting
sort of pushback
730
00:29:31,718 --> 00:29:32,920
and a dissatisfaction.
731
00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:36,256
And the hope is that it bubbles
over into actual pressure
732
00:29:36,356 --> 00:29:39,026
on lawmakers to do something.
733
00:29:39,126 --> 00:29:42,796
But for a long time we
accepted the general model
734
00:29:42,863 --> 00:29:44,131
of Silicon Valley,
the move fast,
735
00:29:44,231 --> 00:29:46,300
break things, sort of move
faster than regulation
736
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,467
could ever get you.
737
00:29:47,568 --> 00:29:49,636
We accepted that as
like, oh, that's amazing.
738
00:29:49,803 --> 00:29:51,838
That will result in
us pressing a button
739
00:29:51,939 --> 00:29:55,809
and getting, like, a car at our
doorstep and any kind of food
740
00:29:55,842 --> 00:29:56,810
we want.
741
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:59,379
Like, we for a really
long time accepted
742
00:29:59,479 --> 00:30:02,049
the conveniences that the
internet economy provides us.
743
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:03,450
We're such sluts
for convenience.
744
00:30:03,550 --> 00:30:05,819
We're such little
sluts for convenience.
745
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:08,689
And then they just snap those
little handcuffs of anger
746
00:30:08,822 --> 00:30:09,890
around us, and here we are.
747
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:14,995
Yeah, you go like, iPhones
are made by child labor.
748
00:30:15,095 --> 00:30:16,663
I'm going to-- well, let's see.
749
00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:17,731
JIA TOLENTINO:
Order some stuff.
750
00:30:17,831 --> 00:30:18,865
Yeah.
751
00:30:18,966 --> 00:30:20,500
JIA TOLENTINO: Click to order.
752
00:30:20,601 --> 00:30:22,436
Yeah, like Amazon, you know?
753
00:30:22,536 --> 00:30:24,938
I was like, no, no
one's boycotting Amazon.
754
00:30:25,038 --> 00:30:26,139
It's too convenient.
755
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,108
Yeah, but the
thing is you can.
756
00:30:28,208 --> 00:30:30,944
And I think that, like, the
real first step in all of this
757
00:30:31,044 --> 00:30:32,512
is remembering, like, we--
758
00:30:32,613 --> 00:30:34,781
I mean, I have to have--
it's very Orwellian.
759
00:30:34,848 --> 00:30:38,085
I have a program called
Self Control on my computer
760
00:30:38,185 --> 00:30:40,153
and a program called
Freedom on my phone.
761
00:30:40,254 --> 00:30:43,490
And those things because
I have neither, and both
762
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:45,826
of those things lock
me off of social media
763
00:30:45,926 --> 00:30:47,794
for, like, 15 hours a day.
764
00:30:47,828 --> 00:30:50,030
And I have needed to
do that because I'm
765
00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:54,067
such a little slut for all of
the things that makes me mad.
766
00:30:54,167 --> 00:30:55,569
And it does work.
767
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:58,438
Like, you can just
refuse to participate
768
00:30:58,538 --> 00:31:01,241
in little, little bits
until maybe, suddenly,
769
00:31:01,341 --> 00:31:02,476
your life has changed a little.
770
00:31:02,576 --> 00:31:05,846
And I would recommend--
it's worth a try.
771
00:31:05,946 --> 00:31:06,980
SARAH SILVERMAN:
Yeah, definitely.
772
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,515
I mean, they say,
like, of course,
773
00:31:08,615 --> 00:31:10,284
nobody can sleep because
you're on your phones.
774
00:31:10,384 --> 00:31:11,885
You've got to turn
the screens off.
775
00:31:11,985 --> 00:31:14,721
And I'm like, yeah,
but, also, no.
776
00:31:14,821 --> 00:31:16,690
But I prefer to drop
my phone on my forehead--
777
00:31:16,823 --> 00:31:17,691
That's exactly what I do.
778
00:31:17,824 --> 00:31:18,692
--seven times a night.
779
00:31:18,825 --> 00:31:20,327
This is when I go to sleep.
Oh, oh.
780
00:31:20,427 --> 00:31:21,328
Yeah, yeah.
781
00:31:21,428 --> 00:31:22,829
Oh, OK.
782
00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:24,831
How do we fix the internet?
783
00:31:24,932 --> 00:31:28,168
[laughter]
784
00:31:28,268 --> 00:31:30,270
Is there any hope
in all of this?
785
00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:31,972
Yeah, yeah.
786
00:31:32,072 --> 00:31:35,042
I think in regulation, and
I think in public pushback.
787
00:31:35,142 --> 00:31:36,977
And I think in all of
us spending less time
788
00:31:37,077 --> 00:31:38,478
on our phone,
whether that means
789
00:31:38,579 --> 00:31:41,548
refusing convenience, certain
things that are convenient.
790
00:31:41,648 --> 00:31:43,784
I think it means--
791
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:45,652
I think all of these
things are possible.
792
00:31:45,786 --> 00:31:51,491
But we have to maybe
accept that in order
793
00:31:51,592 --> 00:31:53,527
to resist social
media, in order
794
00:31:53,627 --> 00:31:56,230
to resist the constant
surveillance that's hitting us
795
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:58,365
on our phone that all these
companies are, like, tracking
796
00:31:58,465 --> 00:32:00,000
and reselling to
other companies
797
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,669
to make money off
of everything we do,
798
00:32:02,803 --> 00:32:04,071
we have to maybe
refuse a little bit
799
00:32:04,171 --> 00:32:05,606
of the cheap pleasure
and the convenience
800
00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:06,940
that the phone gives us.
801
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,875
But I think we can.
802
00:32:08,976 --> 00:32:10,210
All right, OK.
803
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:12,412
I think we can too.
804
00:32:12,512 --> 00:32:15,582
The paperback edition of
Trick Mirror is available now.
805
00:32:15,682 --> 00:32:17,150
Check this out.
806
00:32:17,251 --> 00:32:18,819
OK, we're going to
take a quick break,
807
00:32:18,885 --> 00:32:20,020
but we'll be right
back after this.
808
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,021
Thank you so much.
809
00:32:21,121 --> 00:32:22,022
Thank you.
810
00:32:22,122 --> 00:32:25,392
[cheering]
811
00:32:27,627 --> 00:32:28,695
[applause]
812
00:32:28,795 --> 00:32:30,330
Well, that's our
show for tonight,
813
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:32,165
and that's my time
for this week.
814
00:32:32,265 --> 00:32:34,534
But come back again
because your next host
815
00:32:34,634 --> 00:32:36,036
is Hasan Minhaj.
816
00:32:36,136 --> 00:32:38,405
And if you want to catch
a little more of me,
817
00:32:38,505 --> 00:32:40,306
come out and come
see me on tour.
818
00:32:40,407 --> 00:32:43,209
Check out the link or the
QR code below for dates.
819
00:32:43,309 --> 00:32:46,613
And now here it is,
your moment of zen.
820
00:32:46,713 --> 00:32:48,415
FEMALE REPORTER: Due to old
laws on the books in South
821
00:32:48,515 --> 00:32:51,685
Carolina, anyone under 18
playing pinball machines
822
00:32:51,785 --> 00:32:53,219
is breaking the law.
823
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:54,220
MAN: How old are you, Clark?
824
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,355
13.
825
00:32:55,455 --> 00:32:56,790
MAN: OK, Clark, did you
know in South Carolina,
826
00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:59,159
it's illegal for anybody 17
and under to play pinball?
827
00:32:59,259 --> 00:33:00,160
It is?
828
00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:02,696
MAN: It is.
829
00:33:02,796 --> 00:33:04,464
You going to keep
playing pinball, Clark?
830
00:33:04,564 --> 00:33:05,498
Probably.
831
00:33:05,598 --> 00:33:07,067
MTV.