1 00:00:00,534 --> 00:00:01,602 [theme music] 2 00:00:01,702 --> 00:00:04,638 From New York City, the only city in America, 3 00:00:04,738 --> 00:00:07,574 it's the show that invented news! 4 00:00:07,674 --> 00:00:12,145 This is The Daily Show, with your host, Kal Penn! 5 00:00:12,246 --> 00:00:14,548 [applause] 6 00:00:14,648 --> 00:00:21,655 [cheering] 7 00:00:27,294 --> 00:00:29,796 Welcome to The Daily Show. 8 00:00:29,897 --> 00:00:34,535 My name is Kal Penn, and I will be your host this week. 9 00:00:34,635 --> 00:00:37,104 Now, you might know me from my work as an actor, 10 00:00:37,204 --> 00:00:40,340 or my work with President Barack Obama. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,276 [cheering] 12 00:00:42,376 --> 00:00:43,343 Yeah. 13 00:00:43,443 --> 00:00:47,915 Yeah, I plan on dropping his name all week. 14 00:00:48,015 --> 00:00:49,583 Anyway, we've got a great show for you 15 00:00:49,683 --> 00:00:52,186 tonight, including a very special interview 16 00:00:52,286 --> 00:00:54,655 with President Joe Biden. 17 00:00:54,755 --> 00:00:59,493 [cheering] 18 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:03,363 He is a man who I know well from my time 19 00:01:03,463 --> 00:01:06,099 working for Barack Obama. 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,768 But first, let's get into the headlines. 21 00:01:07,868 --> 00:01:13,140 [audio logo] 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,943 Of course, last night was the Academy Awards, 23 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:19,446 and hashtag #OscarsSoAsian? 24 00:01:19,546 --> 00:01:20,447 [cheering] 25 00:01:20,547 --> 00:01:23,083 Hell, yeah, that's right! 26 00:01:23,150 --> 00:01:24,451 That's right. 27 00:01:24,551 --> 00:01:27,221 It was an incredible night for the Asian-American community. 28 00:01:27,321 --> 00:01:31,358 So many Asian artists won and thanked their parents, 29 00:01:31,458 --> 00:01:34,161 which was like, so nice. 30 00:01:34,261 --> 00:01:35,762 Although honestly, if their parents 31 00:01:35,863 --> 00:01:41,668 are anything like mine, they were probably just like, OK. 32 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:44,104 Let's move on from movies to music, 33 00:01:44,171 --> 00:01:46,974 and some big news for a hot new artist. 34 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:49,109 A new song credited to Donald Trump 35 00:01:49,176 --> 00:01:52,713 and the J6 Choir is now topping the iTunes music chart, 36 00:01:52,813 --> 00:01:56,116 "Justice for All" features the former President, along 37 00:01:56,149 --> 00:01:58,352 with a group of men in prison for the January 38 00:01:58,452 --> 00:01:59,753 6 attack on the Capitol. 39 00:01:59,853 --> 00:02:06,827 (SINGING) What's so proudly we hailed at the twilight's 40 00:02:07,928 --> 00:02:12,399 last gleaming. 41 00:02:12,499 --> 00:02:16,303 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 42 00:02:16,403 --> 00:02:17,504 of America. 43 00:02:17,604 --> 00:02:23,944 (SINGING) Whose broad stripes and bright stars. 44 00:02:24,077 --> 00:02:26,346 Wow. 45 00:02:26,446 --> 00:02:27,648 I can't believe I'm saying this, 46 00:02:27,748 --> 00:02:31,218 but those guys should stick to insurrecting. 47 00:02:31,318 --> 00:02:35,122 This song is such a turd, I'm surprised it's on iTunes 48 00:02:35,222 --> 00:02:37,658 and not Nancy Pelosi's desk. 49 00:02:37,758 --> 00:02:41,295 This is so bad, Mike Pence heard it 50 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:44,798 and he hanged himself. 51 00:02:44,898 --> 00:02:47,534 And why are they calling themselves Donald 52 00:02:47,634 --> 00:02:49,536 Trump and the January 6 Choir? 53 00:02:49,636 --> 00:02:52,306 Coup and the Gang is right there! 54 00:02:52,406 --> 00:02:54,274 [applause] 55 00:02:54,374 --> 00:02:59,279 Anyway, let's get to today's big news, the collapse 56 00:02:59,379 --> 00:03:00,714 of Silicon Valley Bank. 57 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:04,585 I know, it's impossible to believe that a town that could 58 00:03:04,685 --> 00:03:07,554 spend half a million dollars on this ape 59 00:03:07,654 --> 00:03:10,424 would have financial problems. 60 00:03:10,524 --> 00:03:12,459 But somehow, it happened. 61 00:03:12,559 --> 00:03:16,330 SVB was the 16th largest bank in the country, 62 00:03:16,430 --> 00:03:18,765 and the favorite bank of tech bros, 63 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:21,068 disruptors, and anyone who's ever 64 00:03:21,101 --> 00:03:26,240 invented Uber, but for weed. 65 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:28,141 So here's what happened, OK. 66 00:03:28,242 --> 00:03:31,512 SVB invested a lot of their clients' money on a bet 67 00:03:31,612 --> 00:03:33,514 that interest rates wouldn't go up. 68 00:03:33,614 --> 00:03:35,382 And when interest rates did go up, 69 00:03:35,482 --> 00:03:37,251 they started losing their clients' money. 70 00:03:37,351 --> 00:03:41,121 Then they told their clients, hey, don't freak out, 71 00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:42,256 but we're losing your money. 72 00:03:42,356 --> 00:03:44,791 So, of course, everyone immediately freaked out 73 00:03:44,892 --> 00:03:46,493 and ran to the bank to take out all 74 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:47,794 their money before it collapsed, 75 00:03:47,895 --> 00:03:50,664 which then caused the bank to collapse. 76 00:03:50,764 --> 00:03:53,433 It was like that bank run scene from It's a Wonderful Life, 77 00:03:53,534 --> 00:03:57,771 but if everyone was wearing Patagonia vests. 78 00:03:57,871 --> 00:03:59,806 And look, people are legitimately 79 00:03:59,907 --> 00:04:02,342 scared this could spread to banks across the country. 80 00:04:02,442 --> 00:04:04,845 So to stop the panic, the federal government 81 00:04:04,945 --> 00:04:07,614 took the bank over and promised everyone that they'd 82 00:04:07,714 --> 00:04:09,149 get their money back. 83 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:12,586 And it's kind of funny, because some of the companies who 84 00:04:12,686 --> 00:04:15,789 had money at the bank were screaming on social media 85 00:04:15,889 --> 00:04:18,692 that the government needed to come and save them. 86 00:04:18,792 --> 00:04:20,093 That's right, all those tech bros 87 00:04:20,194 --> 00:04:22,829 who complain about being under the government's yoke 88 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:26,633 were suddenly like, oh, no, my money's gone? 89 00:04:26,733 --> 00:04:30,370 (WHINING) Yoke me, Daddy! 90 00:04:30,470 --> 00:04:33,507 So, that's basically what happened. 91 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:37,644 But if you're looking for an explanation of why SVB failed 92 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:40,113 that doesn't require you to learn about interest rates, 93 00:04:40,214 --> 00:04:42,583 well, Fox News got you covered. 94 00:04:42,683 --> 00:04:44,484 Part of the problem was, is that this 95 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:46,386 was one of those woke banks. 96 00:04:46,486 --> 00:04:50,157 They were one of the most woke banks in their quest 97 00:04:50,257 --> 00:04:53,994 for the ESG top, top policy. 98 00:04:54,094 --> 00:04:56,263 This bank, they're so concerned 99 00:04:56,363 --> 00:04:59,867 with DEI and politics and all kinds of stuff. 100 00:05:00,033 --> 00:05:01,635 This bank, Silicon Valley Bank, 101 00:05:01,735 --> 00:05:05,205 they had been focused on a lot of these social issues 102 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:07,341 in the last weeks and months leading up to this collapse. 103 00:05:07,441 --> 00:05:12,279 They had a month-long LGBTQ month of activities just 104 00:05:12,379 --> 00:05:13,413 before the bank collapsed! 105 00:05:13,514 --> 00:05:15,816 I think the senior vice president of risk 106 00:05:15,916 --> 00:05:18,752 management at the bank was heavily 107 00:05:18,852 --> 00:05:21,488 focused on LGBTQ+ programs. 108 00:05:21,588 --> 00:05:24,324 The female head of risk management spent a lot of time 109 00:05:24,424 --> 00:05:26,159 spearheading what critics would call, 110 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:30,497 woke programs, such as a safe space for coming out stories. 111 00:05:30,597 --> 00:05:32,499 Oh, right. 112 00:05:32,599 --> 00:05:36,069 The female head of risk management. 113 00:05:36,103 --> 00:05:37,504 That explains it. 114 00:05:37,604 --> 00:05:42,676 She probably spent the bank's money on shoes and abortions. 115 00:05:42,776 --> 00:05:46,780 For more on Silicon Valley Bank, we go to Michael Kosta. 116 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,781 Whoa! 117 00:05:47,881 --> 00:05:50,184 [applause] 118 00:05:50,284 --> 00:05:53,187 Michael, where are you? 119 00:05:53,287 --> 00:05:54,988 Well, where does it look like I am? 120 00:05:55,088 --> 00:05:58,258 I'm at Silicon Valley Bank's headquarters. 121 00:05:58,358 --> 00:06:01,028 Looks like you're at a gay nightclub, man. 122 00:06:01,061 --> 00:06:05,232 This is just what a woke bank looks like, Kal. 123 00:06:05,332 --> 00:06:07,134 The first floor is a gay nightclub, 124 00:06:07,234 --> 00:06:09,136 second floor is a gay bathhouse, 125 00:06:09,236 --> 00:06:12,840 and the third floor is gay accounting. 126 00:06:12,940 --> 00:06:16,043 OK, well, what's your impression of SVB's collapse? 127 00:06:16,143 --> 00:06:17,878 Seems clear to me that it's a result 128 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:19,780 of rising interest rates forcing the bank 129 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,216 to sell its bonds at a loss. 130 00:06:22,316 --> 00:06:24,251 That's so naive, Kal. 131 00:06:24,351 --> 00:06:29,156 No, the reason the bank collapsed is because of woke. 132 00:06:29,256 --> 00:06:30,123 What do you mean, woke? 133 00:06:30,224 --> 00:06:31,692 How did that collapse a bank? 134 00:06:31,792 --> 00:06:33,894 It just did, Kal, woke. 135 00:06:34,061 --> 00:06:39,967 DEI, ESG, POC, AOC, BET. 136 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:44,438 The list is endless, and the list is woke. 137 00:06:44,538 --> 00:06:47,140 I don't see what any of this has to do with a bank failing. 138 00:06:47,241 --> 00:06:49,109 Well, that's because you're not a trained economist 139 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:50,110 like I am. 140 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:51,912 But once you learn the history, you 141 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:55,215 discover that every bank crisis that has ever happened 142 00:06:55,315 --> 00:06:56,884 has happened because of woke. 143 00:06:56,984 --> 00:06:58,919 There's no way that's true. 144 00:06:59,086 --> 00:07:00,220 Oh, come on. 145 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,457 Women get the right to vote in 1920, nine years later, 146 00:07:03,557 --> 00:07:04,558 the Great Depression? 147 00:07:04,658 --> 00:07:05,559 OK. 148 00:07:05,659 --> 00:07:06,560 How about this? 149 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:08,228 Segregation ends in '64. 150 00:07:08,328 --> 00:07:11,465 17 years later, the recession of '81 hits. 151 00:07:11,565 --> 00:07:12,499 Coincidence? 152 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:14,268 Come on, man, you can't connect these. 153 00:07:14,368 --> 00:07:17,104 Women and Black people are not behind all bank collapses. 154 00:07:17,204 --> 00:07:18,138 Of course not, Kal. 155 00:07:18,238 --> 00:07:21,175 Sometimes it's gay people's fault, OK. 156 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:25,245 Just look at the names behind the 2008 financial crisis. 157 00:07:25,345 --> 00:07:27,748 Lehman Brothers? 158 00:07:27,848 --> 00:07:30,951 Goldman Sachs? 159 00:07:31,051 --> 00:07:32,886 Bear Stearn? 160 00:07:33,053 --> 00:07:35,255 Rusty Trombone Investments? 161 00:07:35,355 --> 00:07:39,459 It's all major gay financial institutions that lost money. 162 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,930 I've never heard of Rusty Trombone Investments. 163 00:07:43,063 --> 00:07:45,165 Well, they lost a lot of my money. 164 00:07:45,265 --> 00:07:48,168 Look, forget your theories for a minute. 165 00:07:48,268 --> 00:07:50,470 What can consumers do to keep their money safe? 166 00:07:50,571 --> 00:07:51,772 It's easy. 167 00:07:51,872 --> 00:07:54,074 Skip the banks and keep all your money in your wallet, 168 00:07:54,174 --> 00:07:55,075 like I do. 169 00:07:55,175 --> 00:07:57,344 That way, when I need some money, 170 00:07:57,444 --> 00:08:00,814 that way when I need some, oh, my God, someone 171 00:08:00,914 --> 00:08:02,382 stole my wallet. 172 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:03,383 I know who it was. 173 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:04,384 Oh, that's terrible. 174 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:05,385 Who was it? 175 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:06,887 It was woke. 176 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:08,722 All right, man, OK. Good luck with that. 177 00:08:08,822 --> 00:08:09,890 Michael Kosta, everybody! 178 00:08:10,023 --> 00:08:12,226 Where's my--? 179 00:08:12,326 --> 00:08:14,928 All right, when we come back, my interview 180 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:16,663 with President Joe Biden. 181 00:08:16,763 --> 00:08:17,664 Don't go away. 182 00:08:17,764 --> 00:08:20,534 [cheering] 183 00:08:35,983 --> 00:08:38,118 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 184 00:08:38,218 --> 00:08:40,020 Last week, I had the opportunity 185 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,489 to interview the president of the United States 186 00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:44,291 at the White House. 187 00:08:44,391 --> 00:08:46,426 We talked about our divided country 188 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:50,063 and how young people's advocacy can affect policy on climate, 189 00:08:50,163 --> 00:08:51,999 drilling, and human rights. 190 00:08:52,099 --> 00:08:53,867 Mr. President, welcome to The Daily Show. 191 00:08:53,967 --> 00:08:55,202 Well, welcome back to the White House. 192 00:08:55,302 --> 00:08:56,937 Thank you. It's very nice to be back. 193 00:08:57,037 --> 00:08:59,139 I was trying to figure out when the last time you 194 00:08:59,239 --> 00:09:00,540 and I had a conversation was. 195 00:09:00,641 --> 00:09:05,712 And I realized it was November 2016 at a very diverse Diwali 196 00:09:05,812 --> 00:09:10,083 party that you hosted, just a few weeks after Trump 197 00:09:10,183 --> 00:09:11,618 became the president-elect. 198 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:14,121 And I remember that you described that night 199 00:09:14,221 --> 00:09:17,124 as an Irish Catholic vice president 200 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:21,194 and a Muslim gold star family celebrating a reception 201 00:09:21,295 --> 00:09:23,664 observing a Hindu holiday. 202 00:09:23,764 --> 00:09:24,731 That's America. 203 00:09:24,831 --> 00:09:26,333 KAL PENN: Well, exactly, that's how I felt. 204 00:09:26,433 --> 00:09:30,537 I mean, I remember just feeling so positive and so much 205 00:09:30,637 --> 00:09:31,538 hope there. 206 00:09:31,638 --> 00:09:32,839 And then. 207 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:33,941 JOE BIDEN: That was Mr. Khan. 208 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:37,211 That was Mr. Khan, yes, exactly. 209 00:09:37,311 --> 00:09:41,882 Then I remember just four years of policy and vitriol 210 00:09:41,982 --> 00:09:43,016 under Trump. 211 00:09:43,116 --> 00:09:44,918 And now things feel more divided. 212 00:09:45,018 --> 00:09:49,690 So I was curious how you feel that we can stay hopeful 213 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:52,559 and how can we get the country to unify. 214 00:09:52,659 --> 00:09:53,860 The truth of the matter is I've never 215 00:09:53,961 --> 00:09:55,829 more optimistic in my entire life about-- 216 00:09:55,929 --> 00:09:56,830 KAL PENN: Than now? 217 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:58,532 No, I mean it, now. 218 00:09:58,632 --> 00:10:01,368 I tell you what, look, if you think about it, the reason 219 00:10:01,468 --> 00:10:02,669 I had not-- 220 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:05,706 I'll give my word, I hadn't planned on running again. 221 00:10:05,806 --> 00:10:08,675 I had lost my son, Beau. 222 00:10:08,775 --> 00:10:10,677 It was a tough, tough time. 223 00:10:10,777 --> 00:10:14,181 And I wasn't going to run at all for real. 224 00:10:14,281 --> 00:10:17,818 And then remember what happened in Charlottesville? 225 00:10:17,918 --> 00:10:19,586 When those folks came out of the fields 226 00:10:19,686 --> 00:10:20,954 at night with torches and swastikas? 227 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:22,289 Of course 228 00:10:22,389 --> 00:10:25,626 And the white supremacists and a young woman was killed. 229 00:10:25,726 --> 00:10:27,427 I spoke to her mom. 230 00:10:27,527 --> 00:10:29,463 Then President Trump said there were very 231 00:10:29,563 --> 00:10:31,899 fine people on both sides. 232 00:10:31,999 --> 00:10:33,066 And I give my word, that's when I 233 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:34,868 decided I'm going to do this. 234 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:36,703 But I was worried about doing it because I 235 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:38,906 knew how bitter it would be. 236 00:10:39,006 --> 00:10:42,042 And so I got a phone call from my-- 237 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:45,045 true story-- from my eldest granddaughter saying, 238 00:10:45,145 --> 00:10:46,179 can we have a family meeting? 239 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,582 You probably are aware of what's around here. 240 00:10:48,682 --> 00:10:50,250 We have a tradition in the Biden family, 241 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:52,352 any child can ask for a family meeting. 242 00:10:52,452 --> 00:10:55,455 It doesn't often happen, but you take it seriously. 243 00:10:55,522 --> 00:10:59,560 So my grandchildren, my four granddaughters and grandson, 244 00:10:59,660 --> 00:11:02,095 Beau's children and Hunter's children, 245 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:04,464 came down on a Saturday. 246 00:11:04,565 --> 00:11:07,334 And we sat and talked. 247 00:11:07,467 --> 00:11:09,269 And they said, trying to convince-- they said, 248 00:11:09,369 --> 00:11:10,604 we know you're thinking of running, Pop. 249 00:11:10,704 --> 00:11:12,105 But you ought to do it. 250 00:11:12,205 --> 00:11:14,474 Daddy wants you to do it, talking about Beau and the-- 251 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:17,544 and I said, well, it's going to be pretty tough. 252 00:11:17,644 --> 00:11:19,680 And they said, you got to do it. 253 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:21,348 And we decided to do it. 254 00:11:21,481 --> 00:11:23,083 And I did it for three reasons. 255 00:11:23,183 --> 00:11:26,353 One, to restore the soul of this country. 256 00:11:26,486 --> 00:11:27,955 That's not who we are. 257 00:11:28,055 --> 00:11:30,624 We're a decent, honorable country that cares. 258 00:11:30,724 --> 00:11:31,625 We really are. 259 00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:32,993 We still are. 260 00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:34,995 Second one is to, you know, begin 261 00:11:35,095 --> 00:11:37,064 to take care of the middle class 262 00:11:37,164 --> 00:11:38,732 because the middle class does well, 263 00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:41,802 the poor have a real shot, and the wealthy do very well. 264 00:11:41,902 --> 00:11:44,171 And thirdly to unite the country. 265 00:11:44,271 --> 00:11:46,340 And at the time, thought-- people thought, 266 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,574 well, maybe the first two, but you'll 267 00:11:47,674 --> 00:11:48,942 never unite the country. 268 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:50,344 But look what we did. 269 00:11:50,444 --> 00:11:51,678 We got a lot done. 270 00:11:51,778 --> 00:11:55,182 No one thought I could ever pass the infrastructure bill. 271 00:11:55,282 --> 00:11:57,718 No one thought I could ever do anything about making sure 272 00:11:57,818 --> 00:12:01,188 that we took care of people with disabilities, 273 00:12:01,288 --> 00:12:04,925 and drug prices, and a whole range of-- no one 274 00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:06,526 thought we could do anything on the environment. 275 00:12:06,627 --> 00:12:07,694 No one thought we could do anything 276 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:10,130 about same-sex marriage. 277 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,866 I mean, we did-- we did not all of it, 278 00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:15,869 but a significant portion of it was done in a bipartisan way. 279 00:12:15,969 --> 00:12:17,070 When I was a White House aide, 280 00:12:17,170 --> 00:12:21,041 I remember having meetings in this room on climate. 281 00:12:21,141 --> 00:12:22,576 They didn't always go so well. 282 00:12:22,676 --> 00:12:26,346 And I never would have imagined 12 years ago that something 283 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:32,286 as sweeping on climate as the Inflation Reduction Act 284 00:12:32,419 --> 00:12:33,687 would have happened. 285 00:12:33,787 --> 00:12:36,857 So my question, really, and I was watching 286 00:12:36,957 --> 00:12:40,160 all of this unfold is who or what 287 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:42,329 created the political space for you 288 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:44,164 to take that kind of action? 289 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:45,933 Young people. 290 00:12:46,033 --> 00:12:49,436 Young people, the generation-- that generation 291 00:12:49,536 --> 00:12:51,939 between 18 and 35 now. 292 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:53,774 They're the ones who created the space. 293 00:12:53,874 --> 00:12:55,175 They had enough of it. 294 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:56,510 They had enough of it. 295 00:12:56,610 --> 00:12:59,713 And so what I did was, when I tried 296 00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:01,648 to figure out whether I could put something together, 297 00:13:01,748 --> 00:13:02,649 I met with them. 298 00:13:02,749 --> 00:13:03,884 We had rallies. 299 00:13:03,984 --> 00:13:06,153 We had-- I mean, they showed up in the 2020 election. 300 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:08,455 They showed up in the 2022 election. 301 00:13:08,522 --> 00:13:12,226 And we passed the largest environmental plan in all 302 00:13:12,326 --> 00:13:15,128 of history, over $368 billion. 303 00:13:15,229 --> 00:13:16,563 We got it done. 304 00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:19,466 And what-- and what happened was 305 00:13:19,566 --> 00:13:23,637 mother nature let her wrath be seen over the last two years. 306 00:13:23,737 --> 00:13:25,839 For example, I have traveled in helicopter 307 00:13:25,939 --> 00:13:28,408 over more forest area burned to the ground 308 00:13:28,442 --> 00:13:31,678 than the entire state of Maryland. 309 00:13:31,778 --> 00:13:34,081 That's how much is burned to the ground. 310 00:13:34,181 --> 00:13:37,050 Floods, droughts, all the things. 311 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,286 And so people can't deny it anymore. 312 00:13:39,419 --> 00:13:41,188 They can't deny the fact. 313 00:13:41,288 --> 00:13:42,756 And I've traveled the world. 314 00:13:42,856 --> 00:13:44,858 I've gone to all the COP meetings around the world, 315 00:13:44,958 --> 00:13:47,194 meaning the meetings on climate. 316 00:13:47,294 --> 00:13:49,763 If we don't keep the temperature 317 00:13:49,863 --> 00:13:54,334 from going above 1.5 degrees Celsius raised, 318 00:13:54,434 --> 00:13:55,669 then we're in real trouble. 319 00:13:55,769 --> 00:13:58,071 That whole generation is damned. 320 00:13:58,171 --> 00:14:02,276 I mean, that's not hyperbole, really, truly in trouble. 321 00:14:02,442 --> 00:14:04,978 And that's why the first meeting I had with 322 00:14:05,078 --> 00:14:09,550 the so-called, you know, G7, the largest economies 323 00:14:09,650 --> 00:14:11,852 in the world, democracies in the world, 324 00:14:11,952 --> 00:14:13,453 the first thing we talked about was-- 325 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,924 they wanted to talk about what was my initiative on energy, 326 00:14:17,024 --> 00:14:19,793 on dealing with moving toward-- 327 00:14:19,893 --> 00:14:23,030 For example, I called all the automakers and truck makers. 328 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:26,099 And I asked them to come to the South Lawn the first year 329 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:29,770 and to try to talk them into doing something more, 330 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:31,238 going electric. 331 00:14:31,405 --> 00:14:35,409 And within five weeks, all of them 332 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:39,813 agreed they're going to go electric, 50% by 2030. 333 00:14:39,913 --> 00:14:42,716 And by 2050, all electric. 334 00:14:42,816 --> 00:14:44,785 And I think we can do it. 335 00:14:44,885 --> 00:14:48,422 You're also responsible for reviewing 336 00:14:48,488 --> 00:14:49,756 drilling and oil production. 337 00:14:49,856 --> 00:14:51,058 Yes. 338 00:14:51,158 --> 00:14:53,427 What would you say to those young people who want you 339 00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:54,861 to continue to be their champion 340 00:14:54,962 --> 00:14:57,064 but might not think that you're going far enough 341 00:14:57,164 --> 00:14:58,966 or fast enough on climate? 342 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:01,068 Well, first of all, we're going faster 343 00:15:01,168 --> 00:15:02,436 than anyone's ever gone. 344 00:15:02,469 --> 00:15:04,972 We're going to need fossil fuels for at least the next 345 00:15:05,072 --> 00:15:06,340 10 years. 346 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,810 It's not like tomorrow we can turn it all off, number one. 347 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:13,146 And so in addition to that, we've-- things got really 348 00:15:13,247 --> 00:15:19,219 complicated when Putin put 185,000 forces into Ukraine, 349 00:15:19,319 --> 00:15:23,090 having a profound impact on their energy ability to be 350 00:15:23,190 --> 00:15:26,560 able to keep the heat on in the winter and keep things moving. 351 00:15:26,660 --> 00:15:28,896 And so we're going to need fossil fuel. 352 00:15:28,996 --> 00:15:30,597 What we have to do is we have to-- 353 00:15:30,697 --> 00:15:33,767 I have-- I've said no more drilling off our ocean. 354 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:35,302 I mean, a whole range. 355 00:15:35,402 --> 00:15:36,770 But there still has to be-- 356 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:39,840 there has to be the ability to generate some energy. 357 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:43,010 But we can get rid of coal much more rapidly. 358 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:45,045 And-- and by the way, for example, 359 00:15:45,145 --> 00:15:49,316 I was up in Massachusetts, one of the largest 360 00:15:49,416 --> 00:15:52,219 coal-producing electric facilities in the nation. 361 00:15:52,319 --> 00:15:55,622 Well, guess what, we hooked it up to wind technology. 362 00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:58,258 And so now-- and it's cheaper. 363 00:15:58,425 --> 00:15:59,860 We can do solar. 364 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:04,298 We can do wind cheaper than we can do fossil fuels. 365 00:16:04,431 --> 00:16:05,799 So it's a matter of transitioning. 366 00:16:05,899 --> 00:16:10,537 But it's not like you can cut everything off immediately. 367 00:16:10,637 --> 00:16:12,940 You-- you obviously understand 368 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,275 the existential threat that young people 369 00:16:15,442 --> 00:16:16,443 feel when it comes to climate. 370 00:16:16,476 --> 00:16:17,444 JOE BIDEN: Sure. 371 00:16:17,477 --> 00:16:18,712 KAL PENN: How do you balance that 372 00:16:18,812 --> 00:16:22,149 with the immediate concerns of babysitting 373 00:16:22,249 --> 00:16:25,719 Congress or getting 51 or 60 votes on some of this? 374 00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:31,692 Well, look, I've been relatively-- 375 00:16:31,792 --> 00:16:33,660 I'm being careful here. KAL PENN: Sure. 376 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:34,761 [laughs] 377 00:16:34,861 --> 00:16:36,897 I've been relatively successful in working 378 00:16:36,997 --> 00:16:39,900 across the aisle. 379 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,403 There is a MAGA Republican portion of the party. 380 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:46,406 It makes up about a third of the Republican Party. 381 00:16:46,506 --> 00:16:49,877 I've had more than a half a dozen Republican senators I've 382 00:16:49,977 --> 00:16:52,579 known for years over the last two years 383 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:54,848 come to me individually, and I promise I'd never 384 00:16:54,948 --> 00:16:56,550 mention the names, and I' go to my grave 385 00:16:56,650 --> 00:16:58,118 never mentioning them. - You can tell me later. 386 00:16:58,218 --> 00:16:59,319 JOE BIDEN: No, I'm not telling. 387 00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:02,289 I mean, seriously, I've never broken my word. 388 00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:04,892 And saying, Joe, I agree with you, 389 00:17:04,992 --> 00:17:08,262 but if I do anything publicly, they're going to primary, 390 00:17:08,428 --> 00:17:10,430 and I mean, I'll lose. 391 00:17:10,497 --> 00:17:11,965 The Republican Party has gone through 392 00:17:12,065 --> 00:17:14,167 a significant transition. 393 00:17:14,268 --> 00:17:17,304 And we're going to see in the next two years 394 00:17:17,437 --> 00:17:19,806 how they end up, whether the MAGA 395 00:17:19,907 --> 00:17:21,708 Republicans control the party or we 396 00:17:21,808 --> 00:17:23,610 get back to conservative. 397 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,313 Like, for example, a guy who's tough as can be 398 00:17:26,446 --> 00:17:29,082 is the Majority Leader of the United States-- 399 00:17:29,182 --> 00:17:32,119 the Minority in the United States Senate, McConnell. 400 00:17:32,219 --> 00:17:33,453 But he's straight. 401 00:17:33,554 --> 00:17:34,721 He's a traditional conservative. 402 00:17:34,821 --> 00:17:35,722 He's straight. 403 00:17:35,822 --> 00:17:36,890 What he says he does. 404 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:38,392 He probably doesn't even want me saying this. 405 00:17:38,458 --> 00:17:40,193 It would probably hurt his reputation. 406 00:17:40,294 --> 00:17:42,596 But there's a lot of people in the Republican Party 407 00:17:42,696 --> 00:17:44,798 who are traditional Republican-- 408 00:17:44,898 --> 00:17:47,868 conservative Republicans that you can deal with. 409 00:17:47,968 --> 00:17:51,171 But, you know, these-- you know, 410 00:17:51,271 --> 00:17:54,508 the gentlewoman from the state of Georgia 411 00:17:54,608 --> 00:17:58,845 in the mountains up there and others, Gaetz, and anyway-- 412 00:17:58,946 --> 00:17:59,880 That's very diplomatic. 413 00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:01,114 I would have used different language. 414 00:18:01,215 --> 00:18:02,549 But you're-- yeah, you have different-- 415 00:18:02,649 --> 00:18:04,918 JOE BIDEN: But no, it's a-- 416 00:18:05,018 --> 00:18:07,754 there's an existential question that the Republican Party 417 00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:08,822 is going to have to face. 418 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:10,324 And it's going to determine what happens 419 00:18:10,424 --> 00:18:11,758 in the next couple of years. 420 00:18:11,858 --> 00:18:16,697 But my focus is just stay focused, focused 421 00:18:16,797 --> 00:18:17,798 on the things that matter. 422 00:18:17,898 --> 00:18:19,132 We've got to deal with the climate. 423 00:18:19,233 --> 00:18:22,069 We've got to deal with civil liberties and voting rights. 424 00:18:22,169 --> 00:18:25,105 We've got to deal with issues relating to economic growth. 425 00:18:25,205 --> 00:18:29,176 Look, in this period, I inherited, 426 00:18:29,276 --> 00:18:32,512 I think it's fair to say, a gigantic mess 427 00:18:32,613 --> 00:18:33,847 economically and politically. 428 00:18:33,947 --> 00:18:34,848 KAL PENN: Of course. 429 00:18:34,948 --> 00:18:37,751 We've created 12 million new jobs 430 00:18:37,851 --> 00:18:40,821 since I've been president, more than any president 431 00:18:40,921 --> 00:18:43,090 has created in four years. 432 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:45,325 We've generated so much growth. 433 00:18:45,425 --> 00:18:49,596 We've created 800,000 manufacturing jobs 434 00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:52,332 with the bill that became a bipartisan bill, 435 00:18:52,432 --> 00:18:53,767 which no one thought could happen, 436 00:18:53,867 --> 00:18:56,637 the CHIPS and Science bill. 437 00:18:56,737 --> 00:19:00,440 We used to invest 2% of our GDP in research and development. 438 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:01,808 That's why we're the nation we were. 439 00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:02,943 Well, guess what? 440 00:19:03,043 --> 00:19:06,346 We decided to start-- we ended up being number 441 00:19:06,446 --> 00:19:08,782 8 or 10 instead of number one. 442 00:19:08,882 --> 00:19:11,218 Well, now we're doing it again through the CHIPS and Science 443 00:19:11,318 --> 00:19:12,786 bill. Guess what? 444 00:19:12,886 --> 00:19:19,359 Commitments for $300 billion in investments over the next 10 445 00:19:19,459 --> 00:19:20,961 years to build these chips. 446 00:19:21,061 --> 00:19:22,329 We invented the chips. 447 00:19:22,429 --> 00:19:23,497 We made them. 448 00:19:23,597 --> 00:19:26,233 We made them much more sophisticated. 449 00:19:26,333 --> 00:19:27,467 We used to be-- anyway. 450 00:19:27,568 --> 00:19:30,837 So there's so much going on that the country 451 00:19:30,938 --> 00:19:32,706 is hungry to move, I think. 452 00:19:32,806 --> 00:19:34,341 And I'm confident we can do it. 453 00:19:34,441 --> 00:19:37,311 It's reassuring to hear you talk about the ways young 454 00:19:37,444 --> 00:19:38,679 people can continue to get involved 455 00:19:38,779 --> 00:19:41,348 and that you feel like there's still bipartisan hope there, 456 00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:42,349 if it's-- 457 00:19:42,449 --> 00:19:43,350 JOE BIDEN: Oh, there is. 458 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:45,219 By the way, I mean, look, again, 459 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:50,757 if we had had this conversation immediately after Trump lost, 460 00:19:50,857 --> 00:19:52,826 although he's not sure he did, but-- 461 00:19:52,926 --> 00:19:54,161 [laughs] 462 00:19:54,261 --> 00:19:58,465 --and I told you we were going to get more done in two 463 00:19:58,565 --> 00:20:00,667 years than almost any president has done, period, 464 00:20:00,767 --> 00:20:02,502 and much of it in a bipartisan way, 465 00:20:02,603 --> 00:20:04,705 I think everybody would have looked at me, like, 466 00:20:04,805 --> 00:20:06,640 what's this guy been drinking? 467 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,508 What's going on here? 468 00:20:08,609 --> 00:20:09,776 But we have. 469 00:20:09,877 --> 00:20:11,144 We have. 470 00:20:11,245 --> 00:20:13,480 And I've been able-- we've been able to. 471 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:15,082 The leadership of the Democratic Party 472 00:20:15,182 --> 00:20:17,851 has been able to hold a Democratic Congress together. 473 00:20:17,951 --> 00:20:20,787 And we picked up a few Republicans along the way. 474 00:20:20,888 --> 00:20:23,724 And I think it's beginning to bear fruit that it's 475 00:20:23,824 --> 00:20:26,493 hard to deny that it works. 476 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,729 Speaking of young people, the Supreme Court 477 00:20:28,829 --> 00:20:31,265 is considering striking down your student 478 00:20:31,431 --> 00:20:33,233 debt relief decision. 479 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,235 What's the plan if that happens? 480 00:20:35,335 --> 00:20:38,071 Well, first of all, the constitutional scholars I've 481 00:20:38,171 --> 00:20:40,007 spoken to say the people that challenged it have 482 00:20:40,107 --> 00:20:42,943 no standing, meaning the court is 483 00:20:43,043 --> 00:20:43,944 ultimately, as much as they want to rule, 484 00:20:44,044 --> 00:20:44,912 they're going to-- 485 00:20:45,012 --> 00:20:46,146 I think they're going to have to rule 486 00:20:46,246 --> 00:20:49,216 that it was appropriate for what I did, number one. 487 00:20:49,316 --> 00:20:51,818 Number two, if you think about it, 488 00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:55,522 we had this PPP program, that is the program 489 00:20:55,622 --> 00:20:56,890 during the pandemic. 490 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:59,359 People lost their businesses because they had to shut down. 491 00:20:59,459 --> 00:21:01,361 Restaurants closed. 492 00:21:01,461 --> 00:21:05,832 And so we provided billions of dollars, significantly more 493 00:21:05,933 --> 00:21:09,269 than helping students with their debt. 494 00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:11,104 And a number of the very people who 495 00:21:11,204 --> 00:21:13,473 are criticizing me in Congress actually 496 00:21:13,574 --> 00:21:14,641 got benefits in the program. 497 00:21:14,741 --> 00:21:15,742 [chuckles] 498 00:21:15,842 --> 00:21:17,578 You don't hear them talking about it, right? 499 00:21:17,678 --> 00:21:19,479 The average student who will benefit 500 00:21:19,513 --> 00:21:22,950 from my student loan forgiveness program 501 00:21:23,050 --> 00:21:25,719 is somebody making less than 70-- 502 00:21:25,819 --> 00:21:29,022 90% make $70,000 or less. 503 00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:30,624 They're just trying to get out of the hole. 504 00:21:30,724 --> 00:21:31,992 They're just trying to get started. 505 00:21:32,092 --> 00:21:33,860 They're just trying to get up and running. 506 00:21:33,961 --> 00:21:36,997 And so it-- there is overwhelmingly 507 00:21:37,097 --> 00:21:38,899 interest in the economy. 508 00:21:38,999 --> 00:21:40,667 It's a fair thing to do. 509 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:42,803 And it's going to generate economic growth 510 00:21:42,903 --> 00:21:44,137 that's significant. 511 00:21:44,238 --> 00:21:46,607 I understand them worrying. 512 00:21:46,707 --> 00:21:48,442 I understand. 513 00:21:48,508 --> 00:21:50,310 I don't know whether people realize-- 514 00:21:50,444 --> 00:21:52,446 well, a lot of parents realize-- 515 00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:54,748 how much of a burden this is. 516 00:21:54,848 --> 00:21:56,250 You get out of school. 517 00:21:56,350 --> 00:21:58,619 There were no jobs when you graduated because-- 518 00:21:58,719 --> 00:22:01,455 initially, because of the pandemic. 519 00:22:01,521 --> 00:22:04,858 You got a debt that is, in most cases, 520 00:22:04,958 --> 00:22:09,930 exceeding the $10,000 loan you got or grant you got. 521 00:22:10,030 --> 00:22:13,934 And-- and it's really a gigantic burden. 522 00:22:14,034 --> 00:22:15,168 You want to grow the economy. 523 00:22:15,269 --> 00:22:18,238 You want these people being able to go out and make 524 00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:20,607 a down payment on a home, make-- be able to go out 525 00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:22,309 and start a business, be able to go out 526 00:22:22,476 --> 00:22:26,580 and be free to the debt so they can invest in things 527 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,981 that they care about. 528 00:22:28,081 --> 00:22:31,251 And it's just so shortsighted if they don't. 529 00:22:31,418 --> 00:22:32,753 I wanted-- I wanted to ask you 530 00:22:32,853 --> 00:22:34,154 a slightly different question. 531 00:22:34,254 --> 00:22:37,925 So my partner, Josh, and I have been engaged for the last five 532 00:22:38,025 --> 00:22:40,627 years, which really only means that every auntie and uncle 533 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:42,796 that I have is beyond disappointed that there 534 00:22:42,896 --> 00:22:43,830 hasn't been a wedding yet. 535 00:22:43,931 --> 00:22:46,433 But-- but Cardi B is going to marry us, 536 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:49,069 apparently, officiate our wedding, which would be nice. 537 00:22:49,169 --> 00:22:50,671 But my-- my question for you, Mr. 538 00:22:50,771 --> 00:22:54,208 President is you codified support 539 00:22:54,308 --> 00:22:57,444 for same-sex marriage and interracial marriages like-- 540 00:22:57,477 --> 00:22:58,779 like ours. 541 00:22:58,879 --> 00:23:03,684 I'm curious what your evolution was like on marriage equality 542 00:23:03,784 --> 00:23:07,554 and what the federal government might be able to do to protect 543 00:23:07,654 --> 00:23:12,659 LGBTQ Americans, especially trans kids who are dealing 544 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:14,461 with all these regressive state laws 545 00:23:14,561 --> 00:23:16,496 that are popping up right now. 546 00:23:16,597 --> 00:23:19,900 I can remember exactly where my epiphany was. 547 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,201 KAL PENN: OK. 548 00:23:21,301 --> 00:23:22,603 I hadn't thought much about it, to tell you the truth. 549 00:23:22,703 --> 00:23:23,637 And I was a-- 550 00:23:23,737 --> 00:23:25,505 I was a senior in high school. 551 00:23:25,606 --> 00:23:27,875 And I wanted to get a job being-- 552 00:23:27,975 --> 00:23:30,210 turned out the only-- it turned out 553 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:32,913 I was the only Caucasian lifeguard 554 00:23:33,013 --> 00:23:35,415 in the projects in the city of Wilmington, 555 00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:37,084 the big swimming pools. 556 00:23:37,184 --> 00:23:40,053 And my dad was dropping me off to go in and get 557 00:23:40,153 --> 00:23:42,623 an application at the City Hall in Wilmington, Rodney Square, 558 00:23:42,723 --> 00:23:43,824 it's called. 559 00:23:43,924 --> 00:23:45,492 And I remember, I'm about to get out of the car, 560 00:23:45,592 --> 00:23:46,827 and I look to my right. 561 00:23:46,927 --> 00:23:50,731 And two well-dressed men in suits kissed each other. 562 00:23:50,831 --> 00:23:52,566 I mean, they gave each other a kiss. 563 00:23:52,666 --> 00:23:55,002 And then one went, looked like he was heading to the DuPont 564 00:23:55,102 --> 00:23:57,304 building, and one looked like he headed to the Hercules 565 00:23:57,437 --> 00:23:58,739 Corporation building. 566 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:00,107 And I'll never forget it. 567 00:24:00,207 --> 00:24:03,176 I turned and looked at my dad, he said, Joey, it's simple. 568 00:24:03,277 --> 00:24:04,945 They love each other. 569 00:24:05,045 --> 00:24:05,946 It's simple. 570 00:24:06,046 --> 00:24:07,548 No, I'm not joking. 571 00:24:07,648 --> 00:24:10,350 It's simple, they love each other. 572 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:13,120 And it's never been-- 573 00:24:13,220 --> 00:24:16,523 it's never been. 574 00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:18,458 It's just that simple. 575 00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:20,994 And I remember-- you may remember because you 576 00:24:21,094 --> 00:24:22,829 may have been here when I-- 577 00:24:22,930 --> 00:24:26,633 in the-- our last administration, 578 00:24:26,733 --> 00:24:28,535 with Barack, I went on Meet the Press. 579 00:24:28,635 --> 00:24:29,536 Oh, I know. 580 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:32,806 And they asked me about the show-- 581 00:24:32,906 --> 00:24:35,242 I was telling them I had visited 582 00:24:35,409 --> 00:24:36,610 a family in another state. 583 00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:39,112 And-- and I watched these two-- 584 00:24:39,213 --> 00:24:41,315 this gay couple raising two kids 585 00:24:41,415 --> 00:24:44,051 and watching them run in and throw their arms around 586 00:24:44,151 --> 00:24:46,053 daddy and so on. 587 00:24:46,153 --> 00:24:49,790 And I told them, I said-- they said, well, what do you think? 588 00:24:49,890 --> 00:24:51,058 Russert asked me. 589 00:24:51,158 --> 00:24:53,727 I said, I think people should be able to get married. 590 00:24:53,827 --> 00:24:55,028 Married. 591 00:24:55,128 --> 00:24:57,130 It doesn't matter whether it's-- 592 00:24:57,231 --> 00:25:00,667 whether it's same sex or a heterosexual couple. 593 00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:02,603 You should be able to be married. 594 00:25:02,703 --> 00:25:04,938 What is the problem? 595 00:25:05,038 --> 00:25:07,107 So listen to your auntie and your uncle. 596 00:25:07,207 --> 00:25:08,775 Get married. 597 00:25:08,876 --> 00:25:10,544 Do it now. 598 00:25:10,644 --> 00:25:11,678 Don't wait. 599 00:25:11,778 --> 00:25:14,648 Now, transgender kids is a really harder ding-- 600 00:25:14,748 --> 00:25:15,949 thing. 601 00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:20,153 What's going on in Florida is, as my mother would say, 602 00:25:20,254 --> 00:25:21,321 close to sinful. 603 00:25:21,455 --> 00:25:23,690 I mean, it's just terrible what they're doing. 604 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:26,627 It's not like a kid wakes up one morning and says, 605 00:25:26,727 --> 00:25:29,796 you know, I decided I want to become a man, 606 00:25:29,897 --> 00:25:32,266 or I want to become a woman, or I want to change. 607 00:25:32,399 --> 00:25:37,237 I mean, what-- what are they thinking about here? 608 00:25:37,404 --> 00:25:39,039 They're human beings. They love. 609 00:25:39,139 --> 00:25:40,040 They have feelings. 610 00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:41,775 They have inclinations that are-- 611 00:25:41,875 --> 00:25:45,412 I mean, it just, to me, is-- 612 00:25:45,512 --> 00:25:47,881 I don't know, it's cruel. 613 00:25:47,981 --> 00:25:49,750 And the way we do it is we make sure 614 00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:52,786 we pass legislation like we passed on same-sex marriage. 615 00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:55,422 You mess with that, you're breaking the law, 616 00:25:55,489 --> 00:25:57,257 and you're going to be held accountable. 617 00:25:57,424 --> 00:25:58,492 Thank you, sir. 618 00:25:58,592 --> 00:26:00,961 I also can tell that, like, some auntie or my mom 619 00:26:01,061 --> 00:26:02,930 probably texted you beforehand if-- 620 00:26:03,030 --> 00:26:03,931 JOE BIDEN: No, no, no. 621 00:26:04,031 --> 00:26:05,198 If they're trying to pressure me to. 622 00:26:05,299 --> 00:26:06,199 No, no. 623 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:07,434 But get moving, man. 624 00:26:07,467 --> 00:26:08,435 [laughs] 625 00:26:08,468 --> 00:26:10,304 I don't want to hear you can't do it. 626 00:26:10,437 --> 00:26:12,172 I know we're on limited time. 627 00:26:12,272 --> 00:26:14,441 So I just want to ask you, looking ahead, 628 00:26:14,541 --> 00:26:16,810 there are a lot of names floated-- 629 00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:21,081 it's a crowded-- crowded field. 630 00:26:21,181 --> 00:26:22,950 Who should be the next permanent host 631 00:26:23,050 --> 00:26:25,052 of The Daily Show? 632 00:26:25,152 --> 00:26:27,654 Depending on how you edit this program, you. 633 00:26:27,754 --> 00:26:28,655 Yes! 634 00:26:28,755 --> 00:26:30,090 OK, that's a good answer. 635 00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:31,491 Solid answer. 636 00:26:31,592 --> 00:26:32,626 Solid answer. 637 00:26:32,726 --> 00:26:35,028 I don't think we need to edit anything then. 638 00:26:35,128 --> 00:26:36,763 Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you for your time. 639 00:26:36,863 --> 00:26:38,265 And I appreciate it. - Well, thank you. 640 00:26:38,398 --> 00:26:39,666 Thank you. 641 00:26:39,766 --> 00:26:42,135 All right, stay tuned because when we come back, 642 00:26:42,236 --> 00:26:45,405 President Biden takes us inside the Oval Office. 643 00:26:45,439 --> 00:26:46,506 Don't go away. 644 00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:49,676 [cheers and applause] 645 00:26:54,347 --> 00:27:00,653 [applause] 646 00:27:00,754 --> 00:27:02,455 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 647 00:27:02,555 --> 00:27:04,324 Let's take it back to the White House, 648 00:27:04,424 --> 00:27:06,292 or as my college buddies called it when I 649 00:27:06,393 --> 00:27:08,628 worked there, the tight house. 650 00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:11,331 Now I've been fortunate enough to be in the Oval Office 651 00:27:11,431 --> 00:27:12,365 a few times. 652 00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,834 But, today, I get to bring you with me. 653 00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:20,507 [music playing] 654 00:27:20,607 --> 00:27:22,575 Well, welcome to a place you've spent some time. 655 00:27:22,675 --> 00:27:23,576 Thank you, sir. 656 00:27:23,676 --> 00:27:25,145 I have-- the fireplace has never been 657 00:27:25,245 --> 00:27:26,146 on when I've been in here. 658 00:27:26,246 --> 00:27:27,113 I tell you what. 659 00:27:27,213 --> 00:27:30,050 I have it on all the time. 660 00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:31,584 It's kind of humbling walking in here. 661 00:27:31,684 --> 00:27:32,585 Absolutely. 662 00:27:32,685 --> 00:27:33,820 I mean, for real. 663 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,856 I had my brother, Jimmy, come in and, you know, 664 00:27:36,956 --> 00:27:39,626 pick the rug, and the desk, and all that stuff. 665 00:27:39,726 --> 00:27:43,396 And, make a long story short, I come walking in, like, 666 00:27:43,496 --> 00:27:45,198 5:00 on inauguration day. 667 00:27:45,298 --> 00:27:47,233 And I walked in and I said, jeez. 668 00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:51,404 I said, I've never seen Franklin Roosevelt. I'm 669 00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,640 an admirer, but it was always George Washington's 670 00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:54,774 small portrait there. 671 00:27:54,941 --> 00:27:55,775 Right. 672 00:27:55,942 --> 00:27:58,945 And Abraham Lincoln and Jon Meacham, 673 00:27:59,045 --> 00:28:00,246 the presidential historian. 674 00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:02,482 Jimmy had called him for some help. 675 00:28:02,582 --> 00:28:04,484 And he looked and he said, because no one's 676 00:28:04,584 --> 00:28:07,754 ever inherited a world economy in as much disarray as he had. 677 00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:08,955 And I thought, oh, that's wonderful. 678 00:28:09,022 --> 00:28:09,956 There you go. That tracks. 679 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:11,791 And I said, well, why Lincoln? 680 00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:13,526 And he said, the country has never been as divided 681 00:28:13,626 --> 00:28:15,161 since Lincoln was president. 682 00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:20,366 But what I did was I wanted to be able to sit here at my desk 683 00:28:20,467 --> 00:28:21,801 and look out. 684 00:28:21,968 --> 00:28:23,770 And I only had two political heroes 685 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:27,173 when I was getting involved. 686 00:28:27,273 --> 00:28:31,778 That fellow over there, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. 687 00:28:31,878 --> 00:28:33,980 I very admire John Kennedy. 688 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,616 I could never picture John Kennedy at my kitchen table. 689 00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:38,585 I could kind of picture maybe. 690 00:28:38,685 --> 00:28:42,589 And then the two people who I got involved, engaged with 691 00:28:42,689 --> 00:28:46,493 was Cesar Chavez because I got not involved, 692 00:28:46,593 --> 00:28:50,130 but I supported verbally the Farm Workers Union 693 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:52,465 they were trying to organize in Delaware when I was 694 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,234 running as a 29-year-old kid. 695 00:28:54,334 --> 00:28:55,935 And his granddaughter works for me. 696 00:28:56,035 --> 00:28:59,105 And then Rosa Parks, who's over here. 697 00:28:59,205 --> 00:29:01,775 And so I tried to-- 698 00:29:01,941 --> 00:29:08,415 I tried to make it kind of warm, like I thought about. 699 00:29:09,616 --> 00:29:12,252 The other guy never showed up on inauguration day, 700 00:29:12,352 --> 00:29:14,020 so I didn't have to worry about it. 701 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,021 But it's kind of neat. 702 00:29:15,121 --> 00:29:16,256 And the things I've done in here. 703 00:29:16,356 --> 00:29:19,225 Like, for example, I the moon rock over here. 704 00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:21,261 All right, I'm a huge NASA fan, a big astronomy fan. 705 00:29:21,361 --> 00:29:23,229 - Are you really? - So this is very cool. 706 00:29:23,329 --> 00:29:24,230 Well, this is cool. 707 00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:25,965 That's an actual moon rock. 708 00:29:26,066 --> 00:29:29,035 And one of the-- you know, that rover they have up there. 709 00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:30,170 Yeah. 710 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:31,771 My name is in the back with other presidents. 711 00:29:31,871 --> 00:29:32,772 Oh, that's cool. 712 00:29:32,872 --> 00:29:34,040 It's really cool, but I want to show 713 00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:35,475 you something really cool. 714 00:29:35,575 --> 00:29:37,977 Come on back here. 715 00:29:38,011 --> 00:29:40,013 Not many people come back this way, but come on in. 716 00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:41,014 Thank you, sir. 717 00:29:41,114 --> 00:29:42,015 Oh, yeah. 718 00:29:42,115 --> 00:29:44,584 Not only are we seeing the Oval Office, 719 00:29:44,684 --> 00:29:47,153 we're also getting a rare tour of the president's 720 00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:48,254 private study. 721 00:29:48,354 --> 00:29:50,356 This is like the world's most dignified episode 722 00:29:50,457 --> 00:29:51,991 of MTV Cribs. 723 00:29:52,058 --> 00:29:56,730 By the way, that is a Wyeth painting of-- 724 00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:58,832 by Jamie Wyeth, the son. 725 00:29:58,932 --> 00:30:00,934 And he told me the Kennedy family 726 00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:03,269 didn't like him because he made him look too contemplative. 727 00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:04,270 - Oh. - But-- 728 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:05,271 - He's got a smile. - I know. 729 00:30:05,371 --> 00:30:06,272 I think it's great. 730 00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:07,273 But anyway, and that's the house 731 00:30:07,373 --> 00:30:08,742 I was raised in in Scranton. 732 00:30:08,842 --> 00:30:09,809 Oh, that's awesome. 733 00:30:09,943 --> 00:30:10,810 Wow. 734 00:30:10,944 --> 00:30:12,112 Or as they say, Scra-on. 735 00:30:12,212 --> 00:30:13,213 Scra-on. 736 00:30:13,313 --> 00:30:15,348 So I went and spoke at the Kennedy Library 737 00:30:15,448 --> 00:30:16,349 a couple of times. 738 00:30:16,449 --> 00:30:19,052 The last time I spoke there, I get 739 00:30:19,152 --> 00:30:22,055 handed this by Caroline Kennedy. 740 00:30:22,155 --> 00:30:24,324 And it's that famous letter he wrote. 741 00:30:24,424 --> 00:30:25,392 KAL PENN: Wow. 742 00:30:25,492 --> 00:30:28,094 JOE BIDEN: And this is the actual copy. 743 00:30:28,194 --> 00:30:31,865 And it's, you know, why am I going? 744 00:30:31,965 --> 00:30:34,968 We chose to go to the moon in this decade 745 00:30:35,068 --> 00:30:38,271 because that goal will serve the origins of measure 746 00:30:38,371 --> 00:30:39,339 by the best of us. 747 00:30:39,439 --> 00:30:40,673 And it goes on and on. 748 00:30:40,774 --> 00:30:41,975 KAL PENN: Well, that's-- 749 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:45,979 I mean, the-- just even that top line, no prejudice, 750 00:30:46,012 --> 00:30:47,046 no hate in outer space. 751 00:30:47,147 --> 00:30:48,048 Bingo. 752 00:30:48,148 --> 00:30:49,349 I don't know if you have any tattoos. 753 00:30:49,449 --> 00:30:50,984 I've got some from the NASA Voyager, 754 00:30:51,084 --> 00:30:53,086 which was launched in '77. 755 00:30:53,186 --> 00:30:56,623 And the Golden Record, which had science, music, art. 756 00:30:56,723 --> 00:30:57,624 Yeah. 757 00:30:57,724 --> 00:31:00,326 But no politics, no war, no religion. 758 00:31:00,427 --> 00:31:01,795 None of the things that divide us. 759 00:31:01,928 --> 00:31:05,565 And so it's just the idea of hope through exploration. 760 00:31:05,665 --> 00:31:07,667 Unfortunately, before the president 761 00:31:07,767 --> 00:31:10,770 showed me all of his tattoos, it was time to go. 762 00:31:10,937 --> 00:31:12,238 - Thanks. - Thank you, sir. 763 00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:13,573 I really appreciate your time. 764 00:31:13,673 --> 00:31:15,975 And thank you so much for the stories and the Oval tour. 765 00:31:16,076 --> 00:31:17,610 [applause] 766 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,512 OK, we're going to take a quick break, 767 00:31:19,612 --> 00:31:20,780 but we'll be right back after this. 768 00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:23,950 [applause] 769 00:31:30,827 --> 00:31:32,295 [applause] 770 00:31:32,395 --> 00:31:33,930 That's our show for tonight. 771 00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:37,200 But before we go, please consider supporting the Magic 772 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:38,768 City Acceptance Center. 773 00:31:38,869 --> 00:31:40,937 They're a nonprofit dedicated to providing 774 00:31:41,037 --> 00:31:44,875 an inclusive space for the LGBTQ+ community in Alabama. 775 00:31:44,975 --> 00:31:46,343 If you can support them in their work, 776 00:31:46,443 --> 00:31:47,811 please donate at the link below. 777 00:31:47,911 --> 00:31:49,946 Now here it is, your moment of zen. 778 00:31:50,046 --> 00:31:52,582 If not this time to run for president, 779 00:31:52,682 --> 00:31:54,684 would you think at some time it's 780 00:31:54,784 --> 00:31:56,519 safe to say that would be one of your goals? 781 00:31:56,620 --> 00:31:58,555 I would only-- 782 00:31:58,655 --> 00:32:01,291 I would only do stuff if I thought 783 00:32:01,391 --> 00:32:04,060 there was a rationale for me to accomplish things 784 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,295 on behalf of the people. 785 00:32:05,395 --> 00:32:07,197 So it's all substance-driven about 786 00:32:07,297 --> 00:32:08,765 whether I could serve or not serve 787 00:32:08,865 --> 00:32:10,534 in a variety of capacities. 788 00:32:10,634 --> 00:32:12,235 (SINGING) MTV.