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Hey! What's going on, everybody?
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Welcome to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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I'm Trevor Noah.
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Today is Tuesday,
the eighth of December,
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which means
Christmas is only 17 days away.
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And if your kids are sad
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because they can't go see Santa
at the mall this year,
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remember, you can recreate
that experience at home.
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Just have them stand in line
in the living room for two hours
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and then tell them
Santa took a lunch break
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and they have to leave.
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It's the same thing.
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Anyway,
coming up on tonight's show,
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Trump finally leaves
the Oval Office,
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we look at the top tech of 2020,
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and Busta Rhymes is our guest
on the show.
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So let's do this, people.
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Welcome to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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ANNOUNCER: From Trevor's couch
in New York City
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to your couch
somewhere in the world,
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this is The Daily
Social Distancing Show
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with Trevor Noah.
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Let's kick things off
with Mount Everest.
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It's the reverse Grand Canyon.
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Everyone knows that it's the
highest mountain in the world,
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but it turns out that,
like Seth Rogen,
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it's even higher
than we thought.
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NEWSWOMAN: If you were planning
to scale Mount Everest
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anytime soon,
it just got a little bit taller.
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After more than a decade
of dispute and controversy,
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China and Nepal
have finally agreed
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on how tall the peak
actually is.
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They agreed to add
about a meter.
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The world's highest summit
now climbs 29,032 feet.
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That means it is
almost three feet taller now.
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Yeah. It turns out Mount Everest
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is almost three feet taller
than we thought it was before
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and, technically,
almost four feet taller
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when you factor in its new afro.
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And here's my question.
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Who is stretching
the measuring tape
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all the way up to the top
of the mountain?
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Because when I measure anything
over 20 feet,
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it always lets go
and then flies back at my hand.
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I can't imagine
this person's bravery.
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So it turns out
Mount Everest isn't just taller.
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It turns out
that it keeps growing taller,
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partly because of all
of the dead bodies
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from failed climbers
that keep piling up
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but also because
the tectonic plates beneath it
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are pushing into each other,
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pushing the mountain up.
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So, as mountains get older,
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they get bigger.
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But as people get older,
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they tend to shrink.
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I guess
that's just one more way
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that mountains and people
are different.
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Mountains...
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are bigger...
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than people.
Huh.
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And can I just say,
measuring mountains?
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I didn't even know
that that was a job.
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Measuring mountains sounds
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like the worst possible job
in the world.
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Do you have to climb up
to the snow and then do you--
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Like, I'm glad
my mom didn't know
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that measuring mountains
was a job when I was a kid,
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'cause she would have definitely
used that to punish me.
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"Trevor,
you didn't clean your room
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"when I told you to clean it.
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"You know
what your punishment is.
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You're going to measure..."
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"No, Mommy."
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-"...the..."
-"Don't say it!"
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"...mountain..."
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"Please!"
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"...again."
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(wailing)
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Speaking of things
that scientists
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still can't figure out--
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Donald J. Trump.
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He's only president
of the United States
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for another six weeks,
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but that's still plenty of time
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for him to embarrass everyone
in super random ways.
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NEWSWOMAN: President Trump
abruptly walks out
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of a Medal of Freedom ceremony,
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leaving the recipient shrugging
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-Thank you. Thank you very much.
-(shutters clicking)
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Thank you, everybody.
Appreciate it.
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-Thank you.
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REPORTER:
Mr. President, one more question
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about the inauguration.
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Thank you very much.
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REPORTER 2:
Anything on Bill Barr, sir?
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(exhales)
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-MAN: Congratulations, sir.
-He's gone.
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(chuckling)
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Yo, guys,
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Trump has checked out
from the presidency.
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Right now, he's got that energy
of a T.J. Maxx employee
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on his last day.
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You know,
when you're walking in, like,
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"Scuse me,
do you have this in a large?"
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"Nope, try Kohl's."
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"Uh, do you want to check
in the back?"
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"I already did."
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I mean, this guy walked out
of a Medal of Freedom ceremony
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in his own house!
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He just left the dude
in the Oval Office.
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Isn't that guy
the president now?
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That's how this works, right?
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And, look, maybe if it was
a different president,
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you'd be like,
"Wow, there must have been
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some national emergency."
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But you know
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He's like, "Oh, boy.
Hannity starts in 20 minutes.
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"Got to get ready for Hannity.
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"Hannity. Hannity.
Hannity's on.
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It's The Hannity Show.
I can't wait!"
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You know, for a dude
who refuses to leave office,
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Donald Trump is awfully eager
to leave his office.
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Who knows? Maybe that's
how Trump will concede.
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You know?
Trump will get distracted
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and forget what he's doing
and then just wanders off
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and then, boom, Biden forgets
what he's doing and wanders in.
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Peaceful transition of power.
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But, once again, the big story
is the coronavirus pandemic.
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You know,
it's the reason you give
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for why you haven't had sex
in nine months.
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So let's check out the latest
news about the pandemic
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in another episode
of Keeping Up with Corona.
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Let's begin
with the United Kingdom,
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America's estranged dad.
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Today, the U.K. began giving
its people the vaccine.
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Yeah.
Officially.
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Starting
with a 90-year-old woman.
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Which is great for her.
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Although, on the other hand,
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she's the only person
in the whole country
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who's now safe to go out.
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So she's just gonna be out
hitting the club, like,
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(English accent): "Whoo!
Where are all my party girls at?
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Seriously, where is everybody?"
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Meanwhile,
in the United States,
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it might take a little longer
for everyone to get vaccinated,
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because somebody--
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and I'm not saying
which president--
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well, he done (bleep)ed up.
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NEWSMAN: With cases of COVID
surging across the country,
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we're learning millions of
Americans may now have to wait
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months longer
to receive a vaccine
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because the U.S. opted
to get fewer doses from Pfizer
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than it could have.
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The U.S. bought enough to
vaccinate 50 million Americans.
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By contrast,
the European Union bought enough
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for 100 million people,
with an option to buy more.
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Now ABC News confirms
a New York Times report
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that, over the summer,
Pfizer offered to sell
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the U.S. government
additional doses
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but the Trump administration
turned them down.
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Now Pfizer says it might not be
able to get the U.S. more doses
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until June of 2021.
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Whew!
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That's the art of the deal
right there, baby.
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Pfizer thought that they
could pull a fast one on Trump
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by offering to sell him
lifesaving vaccines,
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but my man Trump was like,
"No deal."
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So now Europe is stuck
with all those vaccines,
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and that means more corona
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for everyone here in America,
baby. Wait.
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Seriously though,
this may seem
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like it was a dumb decision
by Trump,
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but if you take a moment
to think about it,
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you'll realize that it was a
really (bleep)ing dumb decision
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by Trump.
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And let's be very clear
about something.
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Even with a vaccine,
social distancing
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and wearing masks
is still extremely important.
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And that's why people need
to keep following
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public health guidelines.
And I know,
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I know a lot of Americans
are like,
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"All these rules are
government oppression.
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"They're taking away
our freedom.
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"It is my right to go to Walmart
without a mask
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"and to legally marry my gun.
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"My gun's name is Mark. That's
right. My gun and I are gay.
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Did I challenge
your stereotypes?"
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But I got to tell you this.
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If Americans think
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that the rules in this country
are too strict,
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Americans need to see how social
distancing is being enforced
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in some other countries
around the globe.
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For example,
if you're upset because, oh,
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people give you dirty looks when
you go outside without a mask,
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imagine if, instead of that,
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the police pulled up
in their cars
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and then roasted you
over the P.A. system.
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Because that's what's going on
in South Africa,
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where videos like this one
are going viral.
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(reverb)
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Yeah. That's right.
In South Africa,
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the police and the military
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are being tasked
with enforcing the lockdown,
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which is basically
a recipe for disaster.
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Oh, and in case
you're wondering, yes,
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the South African version
of Law & Order
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is a very different show.
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"In the criminal justice system,
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"the people are represented
by two separate
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"yet equally important groups,
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"the police
who roast your ass hard
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"and the district attorneys
who stand behind them, going,
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"'Damn, son, he got you good.'
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-These are their stories."
-(Law & Order clang)
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Here's an interesting fact.
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That cop is also South Africa's
top hostage negotiator.
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-(walkie hisses, squeaks)
-(with accent): Hey!
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Hey, why you kidnapping
that guy?
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Let him go! What would
your mother say about you, huh?
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Look at you
with that funny haircut.
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Look like you (bleep)
a lawnmower, yeah?
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Then you lost. Huh?
Just go home.
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But as harsh as South Africa's
mask justice might seem,
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what they do in Rwanda
can be even worse.
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Man, that is intense.
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Rwandans are being forced
to attend night school
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if they broke some COVID rules.
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Imagine that. If you don't like
watching Dr. Fauci come on TV
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and ask you to wear a mask
for 30 seconds,
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if you lived in Rwanda,
you'd be forced
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to listen to Dr. Fauci all night
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in a cold stadium!
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The only way
that could be more boring is
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if there was also a baseball
game going on at the same time.
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Although, one benefit
of teaching about COVID rules
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in a sports stadium is
that you can use the kiss cam
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to test how much
everyone has learned.
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Joseph, you and Keza are
on the kiss cam.
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Why don't you kiss?
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No, you shouldn't have kissed.
It was a trap.
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You must come back
tomorrow night, huh?
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By the way, I love how that guy
pulled down his mask
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to show how he broke the rules
by pulling down his mask.
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It's a good thing he wasn't
arrested for public indecency.
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I was arrested
for exposing myself like this,
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and everyone was so upset,
just like everyone is right now.
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And finally,
to any American who's upset
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because they can't go to the gym
to work out during COVID,
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imagine if, instead of that,
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you were forced to work out
in front of all your neighbors.
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NEWSMAN:
Like many countries
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battling
the coronavirus pandemic,
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India is in lockdown.
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The police here have resorted
to physical punishments
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for those who breach it.
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At one point, police are seen
ordering locals to do squats.
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Some were made to do press-ups
at the side of the street.
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(shouting in native language)
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Goddamn, guys.
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That is humiliating
and unnecessary.
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I mean, what happened
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to just shouting at people
to wear a mask?
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Forced exercise is so extreme.
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And let me
tell you something now.
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I would rather staple a mask
onto my face
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than have to exercise in public.
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That's like all
your grade-school nightmares
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coming back to life.
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You couldn't be bothered
to wear a mask,
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and now all your friends know
you can't do five push-ups?
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On the other hand,
it's a good alternative
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for people who can't afford
a gym membership.
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Just pull down your mask,
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and the next thing you know,
you got a personal trainer.
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In fact, if they keep this up,
people from all over the world
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are gonna be flying to India
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just to take advantage
of this policy.
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Oh, my God, Deborah,
you look amazing.
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What are you doing?
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Let's just say
I ignored a few rules in India.
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What? What does...
what does that even mean?
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All right, we're gonna take
a quick break,
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but when we come back,
Ronny Chieng will look back
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on the technology
that made 2020 so amazing.
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And Busta Rhymes is still
joining us on the show,
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so stick around.
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Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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2020 is almost over,
and we can all agree
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that it has pretty much been
a perfect year.
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I mean, did anything bad happen?
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No. I can't think of anything.
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And, so,
for the rest of the month,
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we'll be remembering all
of 2020's best moments.
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Today,
Ronny Chieng takes a look back
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at the year in technology.
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(fanfare plays)
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2020 has been a year
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where people have depended
on technology more than ever.
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I mean, I don't know
how I would have made it
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living through the pandemic
in 1918.
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What were you supposed to do
back then while quarantining?
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Read? Ugh! Gross.
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Listen to a gramophone?
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Music sucked back then.
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It was all guys
with weird voices
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singing about how their sweetie
loves apples or whatever.
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The biggest tech product
this year by a mile was Zoom.
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And if it took a pandemic
to get rid of Skype,
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then I say, worth it.
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Skype was great if your goal was
to not have a meeting.
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And some people complain
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that Zoom charges you
for longer sessions.
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But you know what?
I say, thank God.
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The only thing getting me
through a call with my family
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is knowing that's there's
a 45-minute escape hatch.
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I mean, I'd pay a premium
for even shorter sessions.
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Is there a five-minute plan,
Zoom?
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Because if so,
shut up and take my money.
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But 2020 didn't just
bring us Zoom.
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It also brought us
Zoom terrorism.
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NEWSWOMAN: Zoom. So many of us
are using it to stay in touch.
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But now,
some are having major issues,
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as Zoom meetings
are getting hijacked
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in a new trend
called "Zoom bombing."
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NEWSMAN: Zoom bombings range
from pranks to pornography.
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It even happened during
a streaming news conference
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in which pornography popped up
on the screen
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as health authorities
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and elected officials
discussed the pandemic.
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At first, it just seemed
like people were checking in,
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and then, very quickly,
it devolved
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into a lot
of pornographic images
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being dumped as screen...
screen shots.
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Yeah. Of course Zoom meetings
got hit with dick pics.
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Each new form of technology
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is just another way
to send dick pics.
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I mean, if you look close
enough, you can see the dick
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Neil Armstrong drew
on the moon.
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-? ?
-One small dick for man.
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One giant dick
we all have to see at night.
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Inspiring.
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2020 also left us
with more free time
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than ever to improve ourselves,
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like learning a new language
or baking your own bred.
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But thankfully,
video games were there
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to save us from all that crap.
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Nintendo saw
a big boost in sales
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as more people need
to be entertained at home
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because of the pandemic.
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Animal Crossing: New Horizons--
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26 million copies have been sold
of this wildly popular game.
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Yes, 2020 gave us the video game
Animal Crossing,
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which let us create
our own perfect little world
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while the real world
was going to shit.
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Although, we all ended up
making the same mistakes
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in Animal Crossing
that we did in real life.
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You start the game free and
happy on an unspoiled island.
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But then,
three raccoons convince you
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to become a land developer.
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One things leads to another,
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and let's just say
my residents were not happy
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when I let BP start fracking
on my island.
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But, hey, sorry, guys.
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Daddy's got
to get those turnips somehow.
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(inhales sharply)
Whew.
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So while technology did a lot
of great things for 2020,
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just like everything else
this year, it got politicized.
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We've got breaking news
this morning.
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The Trump administration
announcing
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it will block downloads
of Chinese-owned apps
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TikTok and WeChat
starting Sunday.
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Yeah, President Trump tried
to ban TikTok.
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And you know what?
I'm with Trump on this one.
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It's a horrible app.
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TikTok is more responsible
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for convincing white people
they can dance
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than the DJ throwing on
"Cotton Eye Joe."
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White people used
to be ashamed to dance,
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and now they all think
they're Jabbawockeez.
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But if Trump was smart,
he wouldn't ban TikTok.
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He'd just get on TikTok.
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It's a perfect showcase
for how he dances.
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? Y, M, C, A... ?
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Ugh! This makes me want
to follow his advice
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of injecting bleach,
but into my eyes.
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But tech companies got
the last laugh in 2020,
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because while Trump was trying
to ban TikTok,
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Twitter and Facebook were trying
to ban Trump's bullshit.
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Facebook has taken action
against what it calls
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harmful misinformation
from President Trump.
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The company deleted a post
by the president
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that included a false statement
about children and the virus.
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And Twitter hit
President Donald Trump
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with a warning label on one of
his tweets about vote-by-mail,
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saying the post violated
the company's rules
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around elections.
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I'm glad
they finally get around
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to fact-chucking
Trump's new lies.
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But don't expect credit
for standing up
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to the president
after five years of this shit.
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That's like claiming you beat up
The Rock when he's 90 years old.
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That's not winning a fight.
It's elder abuse.
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Okay? I'm just saying,
social media companies
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should've been
fact-checking Trump earlier.
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He's spread so much
damaging false information
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over the years.
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From saying Obama's
a secret Muslim born in Kenya
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to claiming Meryl Streep
is overrated.
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She is
the greatest living actress.
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And I know
all about good acting, okay?
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After my critically acclaimed
performance
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in Crazy Rich Asians.
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Shut up, Twitter.
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But many people would say
the greatest tech news this year
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is that we have several vaccines
in development
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that actually seem to work.
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And, of course, we all know
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the people who need to get
a vaccine first are the elderly.
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Like my grandma,
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Ronnyella Chieng.
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No, that is not me
in a wig, okay?
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I just take after her.
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00:17:15,935 --> 00:17:18,337
Now, give her the vaccine--
preferably in her right arm,
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00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:19,572
because I'm left-handed.
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00:17:19,605 --> 00:17:21,674
But just in case
the vaccines don't work out,
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there's still the option
of hitting the eject button
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on this whole planet.
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NEWSWOMAN: A giant leap
for Elon Musk's SpaceX.
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The company has launched
four astronauts into orbit.
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00:17:32,685 --> 00:17:35,154
Elon Musk says
he is highly confident
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he is gonna put people
on Mars by 2026.
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The key to achieving this goal
is SpaceX's development
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00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,495
of its Starship rocket.
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The vehicle's being built
to launch cargo
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and as many as a hundred people
at a time to the Moon and Mars.
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Yes. Private citizens
without astronaut training
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will be able to travel to space.
444
00:17:52,204 --> 00:17:54,740
Which means
I can finally add the balls
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00:17:54,773 --> 00:17:56,475
to Armstrong's Moon dick.
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00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:59,278
Everyone always forgets
the balls.
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So 2020 was a bullshit year,
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00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:04,150
but at least technology made it
a little bearable.
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00:18:04,183 --> 00:18:06,218
And, hey, we made it through.
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It's almost 2021.
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Things can only get better
from here.
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(sighs)
Goddamn it.
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00:18:13,792 --> 00:18:15,261
Thank you so much
for that, Ronny.
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00:18:15,294 --> 00:18:17,730
All right, when we come back,
I'll talk about race
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with the best-selling author
of the book,
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So You Want to Talk About Race.
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00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,369
Huh. That makes sense.
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00:18:23,402 --> 00:18:26,172
And then Busta Rhymes
will be joining us on the show.
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Stick around.
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Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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Earlier today,
I spoke with acclaimed writer,
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Ijeoma Oluo.
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We talked about her new book,
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Examining White Male Supremacy
in America,
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and so much more.
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Check it out.
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Ijeoma Oluo, welcome to The
Daily Social Distancing Show.
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Thanks for having me.
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You wrote a book entitled
So You Want to Talk About Race.
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This was in 2018.
It was a hit.
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People loved it.
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But I think it is fair to say
that 2020 saw a resurgence
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of not just the book, but
the conversations of the book,
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00:19:01,173 --> 00:19:03,475
in a really interesting
and unique way
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00:19:03,509 --> 00:19:05,477
because of what the country
was going through
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post George Floyd.
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00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:08,747
What do you think it is
about America
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that that book
will stay consistent,
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-unfortunately, for a while?
-You know, I think a lot of it
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is, is that people
are very afraid
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00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:18,757
to have honest conversations
about race.
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00:19:18,790 --> 00:19:21,693
Um, it's been such a fraught,
you know, subject,
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00:19:21,727 --> 00:19:24,463
and unfortunately, that means
that people put it off,
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00:19:24,496 --> 00:19:26,465
until they feel like
they can't anymore,
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especially white people.
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00:19:27,933 --> 00:19:30,769
And so what happens then is,
something happens,
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00:19:30,802 --> 00:19:33,205
like the, you know, horrific
killings of George Floyd
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and Breonna Taylor,
and people realize,
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00:19:35,274 --> 00:19:37,042
"Oh, we have to talk
about this,"
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00:19:37,075 --> 00:19:39,511
and my book is,
you know, one that talks
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about how to make that a little
easier if people turn to it.
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00:19:42,247 --> 00:19:45,050
And it's sad, because I want
people to talk about this
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00:19:45,083 --> 00:19:46,618
so we can move on to action.
494
00:19:46,652 --> 00:19:48,854
And, you know, this is
one of the earlier steps,
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00:19:48,887 --> 00:19:51,223
is figuring out what's going on
and talking about it.
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00:19:51,256 --> 00:19:54,126
And I would hope, in 2020,
we would be further along,
497
00:19:54,159 --> 00:19:56,495
but we're not--
that's why I do the work.
498
00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:59,131
There's also no denying
that your writing
499
00:19:59,164 --> 00:20:02,367
has, I mean, made a lot
of people feel uncomfortable.
500
00:20:02,401 --> 00:20:04,403
A lot of white people,
a lot of white men,
501
00:20:04,436 --> 00:20:05,771
in particular, uncomfortable,
502
00:20:05,804 --> 00:20:07,539
and that was
before your current book,
503
00:20:07,573 --> 00:20:10,509
Mediocre,
which is about the dangers
504
00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:13,579
of white male mediocrity.
505
00:20:13,612 --> 00:20:15,814
Talk me through what that means.
506
00:20:15,848 --> 00:20:17,316
Absolutely.
So, this was a book
507
00:20:17,349 --> 00:20:19,017
kind of written
out of frustration.
508
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:21,687
If you write on issues
of race and gender in America,
509
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,190
especially since 2016,
you see all these think pieces.
510
00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:27,192
You know,
"Why is Chad so angry?"
511
00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,495
"Why is this white man
so upset?"
512
00:20:29,528 --> 00:20:32,564
And what I wanted people to look
at was the political structure
513
00:20:32,598 --> 00:20:35,000
behind the time that we're in.
514
00:20:35,033 --> 00:20:37,836
I wanted people to understand
that this rise in, like,
515
00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:41,373
you know, hate-filled,
racist, violent,
516
00:20:41,406 --> 00:20:44,443
white male political ideology
is by design.
517
00:20:44,476 --> 00:20:46,478
And so I wanted people
to look at that,
518
00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:50,115
because we have to change
how we act and what we value
519
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:52,317
as a society if we want
to solve this problem.
520
00:20:52,351 --> 00:20:54,453
So that's really
what we're looking at
521
00:20:54,486 --> 00:20:55,921
is a history in America
522
00:20:55,954 --> 00:21:00,025
of how we have
actually made it beneficial,
523
00:21:00,058 --> 00:21:02,194
or at least seem beneficial,
to white men
524
00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:04,663
to act like
the only definition of success
525
00:21:04,696 --> 00:21:06,932
is power over women
and people of color,
526
00:21:06,965 --> 00:21:10,102
and, really, what it's cost us
over multiple generations.
527
00:21:10,135 --> 00:21:11,970
When you... when you look
at this conversation, though,
528
00:21:12,004 --> 00:21:14,006
I mean, obviously,
there's so much resistance.
529
00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:15,774
There are a lot of white men
who are like,
530
00:21:15,808 --> 00:21:18,076
"I have nothing,
so how dare you say that I have
531
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:20,646
"any of this mediocrity or
this power that comes with it.
532
00:21:20,679 --> 00:21:22,648
"How can you say...
I don't see any of this power.
533
00:21:22,681 --> 00:21:25,050
"I live in West Virginia.
I have no... no money.
534
00:21:25,083 --> 00:21:27,486
"I have barely any food.
Where is this 'white power'
535
00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:29,188
that you are speaking of?"
536
00:21:29,221 --> 00:21:31,690
How do you try and...
and-and--
537
00:21:31,723 --> 00:21:34,593
if you even do try--
explain that to white people
538
00:21:34,626 --> 00:21:36,028
in those situations?
539
00:21:36,061 --> 00:21:38,463
'Cause oftentimes, I find
that will be some of the base
540
00:21:38,497 --> 00:21:40,532
that is riled up,
where they're told...
541
00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:42,534
"You have this 'privilege'
and these positions,"
542
00:21:42,568 --> 00:21:44,369
and they go,
"But I don't see it"?
543
00:21:44,403 --> 00:21:46,371
Absolutely. And I think
it important to recognize,
544
00:21:46,405 --> 00:21:49,908
first and foremost,
privilege is relative. Right?
545
00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,910
So if you're standing...
if you're an average,
546
00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:54,313
everyday white man standing
in a room with Oprah Winfrey,
547
00:21:54,346 --> 00:21:57,850
chances are, in many areas
she has more privilege than you.
548
00:21:57,883 --> 00:22:01,954
But if she is standing
next to a white millionaire
549
00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:04,089
or billionaire, chances are
she has less privilege.
550
00:22:04,122 --> 00:22:06,658
It's situational,
depending on where you're at.
551
00:22:06,692 --> 00:22:08,427
But I think it's
really important to recognize
552
00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:10,696
that white supremacy
in this country
553
00:22:10,729 --> 00:22:12,431
is a pyramid scheme.
554
00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:13,799
So it's really the idea:
555
00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:15,567
You play along,
and you will have more,
556
00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:17,369
you will have more
than black people,
557
00:22:17,402 --> 00:22:18,837
you will have more than women.
558
00:22:18,871 --> 00:22:21,039
-Right. -And often
it doesn't work out that way.
559
00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:23,108
And that's part
of why we see the anger,
560
00:22:23,142 --> 00:22:25,110
is that people
bought into this system.
561
00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:26,912
They're playing along.
They've been promised.
562
00:22:26,945 --> 00:22:30,182
And they voted accordingly, they
spent their money accordingly,
563
00:22:30,215 --> 00:22:32,684
that their greatness is coming,
and when it doesn't,
564
00:22:32,718 --> 00:22:34,353
who do they blame, often?
565
00:22:34,386 --> 00:22:37,289
People like me. People like you.
Because they've been told,
566
00:22:37,322 --> 00:22:39,158
"You're supposed to be
better off."
567
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,593
And so a lot of that anger
that says, "I don't have that,
568
00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:43,362
I don't have it,"
ignores the fact
569
00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:45,664
that you weren't
probably ever going to get it,
570
00:22:45,697 --> 00:22:47,199
but you were promised that,
571
00:22:47,232 --> 00:22:48,934
and that becomes
a political problem,
572
00:22:48,967 --> 00:22:50,769
and it becomes part
of the violence
573
00:22:50,802 --> 00:22:53,138
that often some white men
end up supporting.
574
00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:56,809
There's no denying, as America
becomes more and more diverse,
575
00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:59,678
the group of white men
that we are talking about
576
00:22:59,711 --> 00:23:01,747
are going to become
more and more resistant,
577
00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:04,049
'cause they're going,
"Oh, I'm losing my grip on,"
578
00:23:04,082 --> 00:23:07,419
as you said, "that promise
of my place in America."
579
00:23:07,452 --> 00:23:10,489
So how do we get to a place
where we invite people
580
00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:12,624
into the conversation,
without pandering,
581
00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:15,594
but still invites people in
and going like, "Oh, no, hey,
582
00:23:15,627 --> 00:23:17,596
"this is
for everybody's benefit.
583
00:23:17,629 --> 00:23:19,598
"It's not about you losing
and me winning.
584
00:23:19,631 --> 00:23:21,300
"It's about everybody winning
585
00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:22,935
as opposed to buying
into the pyramid scheme."
586
00:23:22,968 --> 00:23:24,503
You know, it's definitely
something I talk about
587
00:23:24,536 --> 00:23:26,071
a bit in the book, right?
588
00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:29,274
The real harm that this actually
does to white men, this system.
589
00:23:29,308 --> 00:23:31,410
Being told that, you know,
your payout's coming,
590
00:23:31,443 --> 00:23:33,512
and it never does,
and the sense of failure
591
00:23:33,545 --> 00:23:37,249
that often accompanies white men
when they've bought into this.
592
00:23:37,282 --> 00:23:39,251
But I think it's also
really important to recognize
593
00:23:39,284 --> 00:23:42,254
that I, personally,
am not writing to create
594
00:23:42,287 --> 00:23:44,022
kinder, gentler white men.
595
00:23:44,056 --> 00:23:45,891
I'm writing
because I am a black woman
596
00:23:45,924 --> 00:23:48,660
being harmed by this system
and the way it works.
597
00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:51,230
But I do hear
from white men who say,
598
00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:53,532
"You know, you've named a thing
I couldn't name.
599
00:23:53,565 --> 00:23:56,435
"You've named a disappointment,
a constant, you know,
600
00:23:56,468 --> 00:23:58,937
-yearning for more
that I couldn't name." -Right.
601
00:23:58,971 --> 00:24:01,507
But I don't expect that,
you know, a white man
602
00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:03,008
who's angry and, you know,
603
00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:05,043
is completely
a political opposite from me
604
00:24:05,077 --> 00:24:06,411
is gonna pick up my book.
605
00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:08,247
But what I do expect
is that people
606
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,349
who know something's wrong
are gonna start looking
607
00:24:10,382 --> 00:24:12,518
at our values, at our systems,
and changing it.
608
00:24:12,551 --> 00:24:15,420
And then the white men
who come up in these systems
609
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,022
come up differently, right?
610
00:24:17,055 --> 00:24:20,559
The way in which the power that
this violence has is lessened.
611
00:24:20,592 --> 00:24:22,494
And that's really
what my goal is.
612
00:24:22,528 --> 00:24:24,930
2020 was one of
the hardest years for everybody.
613
00:24:24,963 --> 00:24:28,267
For yourself, I feel like
it was an extreme version.
614
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,536
You had a fire
that burned down your home
615
00:24:30,569 --> 00:24:31,970
and everything that you owned.
616
00:24:32,004 --> 00:24:33,438
Um, you escaped
617
00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,874
with only the clothes
on your back with your partner.
618
00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:38,811
The next day,
you got a call from your son
619
00:24:38,844 --> 00:24:41,814
saying that he had
tested positive for COVID-19.
620
00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:43,882
And in the midst of all of this,
621
00:24:43,916 --> 00:24:46,285
you're dealing with
the death threats that you get
622
00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:49,888
and people calling SWAT teams
to your house,
623
00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:52,124
faking it and saying, like, "Oh,
there's somebody with a gun"
624
00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:53,392
and trying to SWAT you.
625
00:24:53,425 --> 00:24:56,795
How do you process all of that,
626
00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:58,197
and how do you exist in a state
627
00:24:58,230 --> 00:25:00,833
of not being perpetually enraged
or terrified
628
00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:03,068
but also still being
a human being
629
00:25:03,101 --> 00:25:06,205
who writes and, I mean,
informs so many of us?
630
00:25:06,238 --> 00:25:07,673
I had to make peace
with the fact
631
00:25:07,706 --> 00:25:11,009
that, yes, my work can make me
a target in many ways,
632
00:25:11,043 --> 00:25:12,578
but being a Black woman
in this country
633
00:25:12,611 --> 00:25:14,513
can make you a target
no matter what.
634
00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:16,081
And at least I have a platform.
635
00:25:16,114 --> 00:25:17,816
At least I can call it out.
636
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:19,918
And I believe that we can change
these systems.
637
00:25:19,952 --> 00:25:21,520
You know,
when you know these systems
638
00:25:21,553 --> 00:25:23,388
and you know these systems
were built by people,
639
00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:24,823
if you believe in people,
640
00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:27,192
then you have to believe
that we can change them,
641
00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:28,694
and I've seen evidence we can.
642
00:25:28,727 --> 00:25:31,230
And, you know, yes, absolutely,
it's a huge battle,
643
00:25:31,263 --> 00:25:33,031
but I believe in us,
644
00:25:33,065 --> 00:25:35,567
and I believe that Black people
are worth fighting for.
645
00:25:35,601 --> 00:25:37,469
I believe that people of color
are worth fighting for,
646
00:25:37,503 --> 00:25:39,171
that women of color
are worth fighting for.
647
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,874
I love what we create.
I love that we're still here.
648
00:25:41,907 --> 00:25:44,510
I am a survivor like
so many other Black women are,
649
00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:46,378
and that gives me strength.
650
00:25:46,411 --> 00:25:48,580
I take strength
in the fact that I am still here
651
00:25:48,614 --> 00:25:51,683
and I can still do this work,
and I absolutely believe
652
00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:54,586
that we can make real,
meaningful change to our systems
653
00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:56,288
that can improve our lives.
654
00:25:56,321 --> 00:25:58,257
Well, I will say this to you
over and over again.
655
00:25:58,290 --> 00:25:59,491
I'm eternally grateful.
656
00:25:59,525 --> 00:26:01,093
I think everyone is
who reads your books
657
00:26:01,126 --> 00:26:03,996
because, um, they don't come
from a place of hate
658
00:26:04,029 --> 00:26:05,531
but rather
a place of determination.
659
00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:07,733
They come from a place of, um,
of forcefulness
660
00:26:07,766 --> 00:26:09,268
where you go,
"Something needs to happen,"
661
00:26:09,301 --> 00:26:11,937
and you-you present the ideas
and the solutions.
662
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:13,438
So, um, thank you
for taking the time.
663
00:26:13,472 --> 00:26:15,107
Thank you for writing
another amazing book,
664
00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:16,608
and hopefully, we'll
have you again on the show.
665
00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:19,378
-Thank you. It's
a real pleasure. -Take care.
666
00:26:19,411 --> 00:26:21,847
Don't forget,
Mediocre: the Dangerous Legacy
667
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,183
of White Male America
is available now.
668
00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:26,018
All right, stick around,
because when we come back,
669
00:26:26,051 --> 00:26:26,118
Busta Rhymes
joins us on the show.
670
00:26:31,122 --> 00:26:32,790
Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
671
00:26:32,824 --> 00:26:34,225
Earlier today, I spoke
672
00:26:34,258 --> 00:26:37,161
with multiplatinum rap star
Busta Rhymes.
673
00:26:37,195 --> 00:26:39,664
We talked
about his prolific career
674
00:26:39,697 --> 00:26:42,567
and why we've waited 11 years
675
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,235
for a brand-new album.
676
00:26:44,268 --> 00:26:46,604
What's going on, Busta Bust?
677
00:26:46,637 --> 00:26:48,906
(chuckles)
What's happening, brother?
678
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:52,510
Oh, man. A dream is what's
happening right now for me, man.
679
00:26:52,543 --> 00:26:53,911
Thank you so much
for joining us.
680
00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:55,513
Welcome to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
681
00:26:55,546 --> 00:26:57,615
And thanks for having me.
682
00:26:57,648 --> 00:26:59,484
It's-it's an honor
and a pleasure.
683
00:26:59,517 --> 00:27:01,786
I'm a huge fan, brother.
684
00:27:01,819 --> 00:27:03,821
Are you kidding me, man?
685
00:27:03,855 --> 00:27:06,491
All of the honor is mine.
All of the pleasure is mine.
686
00:27:06,524 --> 00:27:08,693
You are one of the greatest
rappers of all time.
687
00:27:08,726 --> 00:27:10,695
You are, in my world,
688
00:27:10,728 --> 00:27:12,930
in my world,
the greatest rapper of all time.
689
00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,233
Um, and I'm excited
to have you on
690
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:17,635
because we're talking
about your brand-new album,
691
00:27:17,668 --> 00:27:19,637
Extinction Level Event 2.
692
00:27:19,670 --> 00:27:21,305
And can I say,
on a personal level,
693
00:27:21,339 --> 00:27:22,673
Busta, I'm-I'm...
694
00:27:22,707 --> 00:27:26,210
Why did we wait 11 years
for a new album?
695
00:27:26,244 --> 00:27:28,045
11 years I've been waiting.
696
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,581
(chuckles)
697
00:27:30,615 --> 00:27:33,417
Um,
698
00:27:33,451 --> 00:27:36,587
I think the first,
most important part
699
00:27:36,621 --> 00:27:39,590
of the delay was, um,
700
00:27:39,624 --> 00:27:42,160
not so much the creative
701
00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:45,897
but more so
702
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:48,065
me just making sure
that I was comfortable with them
703
00:27:48,099 --> 00:27:51,836
that I was gonna put this
body of work in the hands of.
704
00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:54,806
You know,
I'm at a point in my life
705
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,774
where, you know,
706
00:27:56,808 --> 00:27:59,043
having
the-the blessed opportunity
707
00:27:59,076 --> 00:28:00,545
to be able to experience
708
00:28:00,578 --> 00:28:04,515
what many different
support systems felt like.
709
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:06,417
Right.
710
00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:10,354
Being-being able put albums out
711
00:28:10,388 --> 00:28:12,890
at six different
record companies,
712
00:28:12,924 --> 00:28:15,359
I've been able to learn a lot
713
00:28:15,393 --> 00:28:17,595
as far as the difference
714
00:28:17,628 --> 00:28:21,933
between when
your support system is right
715
00:28:21,966 --> 00:28:24,569
and when it's wrong.
716
00:28:24,602 --> 00:28:27,472
-Yeah, I feel you.
-And, you know,
717
00:28:27,505 --> 00:28:31,509
a lot has changed
since the last album
718
00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:34,645
that I dropped at retail,
719
00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:37,348
um, in 2009.
720
00:28:37,381 --> 00:28:40,885
So, you know,
just trying to navigate
721
00:28:40,918 --> 00:28:44,322
and-and see and like
722
00:28:44,355 --> 00:28:47,592
I was putting this body of work
723
00:28:47,625 --> 00:28:50,862
in the hands of the right people
724
00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:53,931
that were going to be
deemed worthy to me
725
00:28:53,965 --> 00:28:57,268
and to the standards
of what I know I deserve
726
00:28:57,301 --> 00:28:59,337
at this stage in my career
727
00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:01,639
and what this project deserved.
728
00:29:01,672 --> 00:29:04,142
What's been amazing
has been seeing
729
00:29:04,175 --> 00:29:07,111
how you've maintained
Busta Bust's flow
730
00:29:07,145 --> 00:29:09,881
and-and what makes you
such a great rapper
731
00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:11,916
whilst at the same time
732
00:29:11,949 --> 00:29:13,818
changing
what needs to be changed
733
00:29:13,851 --> 00:29:15,686
for the times
that we're living in today.
734
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,089
Because there's no denying,
Extinction Level Event,
735
00:29:18,122 --> 00:29:20,057
man, there was...
there was a bounce,
736
00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:21,492
and there was a joy to it,
you know?
737
00:29:21,526 --> 00:29:23,027
Every-every piece of it,
you know? You know...
738
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:25,329
? We were keepin' it comin,'
keepin' it movin' ?
739
00:29:25,363 --> 00:29:26,864
? Keepin' it wylin',
we gettin' the paper ?
740
00:29:26,898 --> 00:29:28,533
? Let's keep the cheddar
stacking and piling ?
741
00:29:28,566 --> 00:29:30,568
? And now we happy and smiling
'cause now we living good. ?
742
00:29:30,601 --> 00:29:31,969
You know what I mean?
That's what it was.
743
00:29:32,003 --> 00:29:33,504
-Wow. Wow.
-2009.
744
00:29:33,538 --> 00:29:34,906
That's what we were doing,
you know?
745
00:29:34,939 --> 00:29:36,741
That was 2009.
746
00:29:36,774 --> 00:29:38,943
And then 2020 comes along,
747
00:29:38,976 --> 00:29:40,812
and it's different.
748
00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:42,213
It's like... It-it feels like...
749
00:29:42,246 --> 00:29:45,149
It really feels like
an extinction level event now
750
00:29:45,183 --> 00:29:48,386
in a very different way,
and you rap about that.
751
00:29:48,419 --> 00:29:50,221
You know,
you rapped about George Floyd.
752
00:29:50,254 --> 00:29:52,790
You rap about police brutality.
You rap about what's going on.
753
00:29:52,824 --> 00:29:54,926
Talk me through
how Busta Rhymes went
754
00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:57,161
from the joy
that we know Busta Bust has--
755
00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:58,362
and there's still
songs of joy in here--
756
00:29:58,396 --> 00:30:00,198
but also talking
about the current moment
757
00:30:00,231 --> 00:30:01,966
that people are experiencing.
758
00:30:01,999 --> 00:30:04,068
I think
that it's always important
759
00:30:04,101 --> 00:30:06,537
to be informative in the music.
760
00:30:06,571 --> 00:30:08,639
I think we have a duty
and a responsibility.
761
00:30:08,673 --> 00:30:11,008
At least the way I was raised.
762
00:30:11,042 --> 00:30:14,712
You know, I was fortunate
to get my-my grooming firsthand
763
00:30:14,745 --> 00:30:17,081
and, you know,
my teaching firsthand
764
00:30:17,114 --> 00:30:18,649
on how to be
a well-rounded artist
765
00:30:18,683 --> 00:30:21,419
from the likes
of the incredible Chuck D
766
00:30:21,452 --> 00:30:23,421
and Public Enemy
and those type of guys.
767
00:30:23,454 --> 00:30:26,657
Like, you know,
when we was trying to do it
768
00:30:26,691 --> 00:30:28,526
and when we was coming up,
you know,
769
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:32,563
being informative in the music
was-was important.
770
00:30:32,597 --> 00:30:34,165
It was valued.
771
00:30:34,198 --> 00:30:36,868
It was a significant part
772
00:30:36,901 --> 00:30:39,637
of the way artists contributed
to the culture
773
00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:41,105
and to the art.
774
00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:44,342
And, you know, it was something
that was done with grace,
775
00:30:44,375 --> 00:30:47,245
and it was success
that was garnished
776
00:30:47,278 --> 00:30:49,413
from being informative
through your music.
777
00:30:49,447 --> 00:30:51,082
You know, it was a standard.
778
00:30:51,115 --> 00:30:52,850
It wasn't like...
You couldn't just come out
779
00:30:52,884 --> 00:30:55,786
and just put out
a bunch of nonsense
780
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:59,257
and think that it was gonna
help you establish credibility.
781
00:30:59,290 --> 00:31:01,559
Like, you might have had
a record that was nonsense,
782
00:31:01,592 --> 00:31:03,828
and it might have been,
you know, cool for a moment,
783
00:31:03,861 --> 00:31:07,498
but, you know, credibility
has always been important to me.
784
00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,902
And it was also a key component
785
00:31:10,935 --> 00:31:14,872
to what validated you as a...
as a real artist
786
00:31:14,906 --> 00:31:17,975
in the eyes of the public,
the consumer
787
00:31:18,009 --> 00:31:21,946
and your-your other peers
as other artists.
788
00:31:21,979 --> 00:31:24,649
You know, you've got the legends
of hip-hop on this album.
789
00:31:24,682 --> 00:31:27,418
You know, you've got the Q-Tips.
You've got the Rakims.
790
00:31:27,451 --> 00:31:30,988
But then one of the most,
in my opinion, prolific tracks
791
00:31:31,022 --> 00:31:33,724
is, um,
"Look Over Your Shoulder"
792
00:31:33,758 --> 00:31:35,193
featuring Kendrick Lamar.
793
00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:36,594
And then on top of that,
794
00:31:36,627 --> 00:31:38,396
you've got another legend,
Michael Jackson.
795
00:31:38,429 --> 00:31:39,797
And you-you've sampled...
796
00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:41,666
I don't even know how
you did it, but you, like,
797
00:31:41,699 --> 00:31:45,136
you-you isolated his lyrics
from the Jackson 5,
798
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:46,571
and it's crystal clear.
799
00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:48,573
It's almost like he was there
in the studio with me.
800
00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:50,708
Walk me through
how that song came together.
801
00:31:50,741 --> 00:31:54,445
Nottz, which is an incredible
producer from Virginia.
802
00:31:54,479 --> 00:31:56,981
I was going through
a bunch of music that I had
803
00:31:57,014 --> 00:31:58,783
that I never got
the opportunity to get to,
804
00:31:58,816 --> 00:32:00,918
and I finally heard this track.
805
00:32:00,952 --> 00:32:04,722
Nottz put it together
in an amazing way,
806
00:32:04,755 --> 00:32:07,859
and it just blew my mind
when I heard it.
807
00:32:07,892 --> 00:32:11,162
And I took the extra step
808
00:32:11,195 --> 00:32:13,264
in getting my hand
809
00:32:13,297 --> 00:32:17,201
on the actual original two-inch,
810
00:32:17,235 --> 00:32:20,037
16-track multi
of the original recording
811
00:32:20,071 --> 00:32:21,339
-of the song.
-Wow.
812
00:32:21,372 --> 00:32:23,374
And Kendrick heard it.
813
00:32:23,407 --> 00:32:25,076
And when he heard it,
814
00:32:25,109 --> 00:32:27,178
in about a couple of days,
815
00:32:27,211 --> 00:32:30,214
I got back that monster verse
that he put on there,
816
00:32:30,248 --> 00:32:32,783
and it was like, "All right,
817
00:32:32,817 --> 00:32:36,654
we're sitting on a different
type of gem with this piece."
818
00:32:36,687 --> 00:32:39,023
And once I heard his version,
819
00:32:39,056 --> 00:32:42,160
I heard the beat
and just realized
820
00:32:42,193 --> 00:32:44,562
the-the way the blend felt
821
00:32:44,595 --> 00:32:48,466
with the Michael Jackson sample
and Kendrick's verse
822
00:32:48,499 --> 00:32:51,402
and the music and my verse,
823
00:32:51,435 --> 00:32:52,837
I just was like,
824
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:56,374
"This is such a defining moment
825
00:32:56,407 --> 00:32:57,742
in this body of work."
826
00:32:57,775 --> 00:33:01,312
And, interestingly,
this record didn't get done
827
00:33:01,345 --> 00:33:04,448
until probably, like,
eight or nine years
828
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:07,185
into the recording
of the whole project.
829
00:33:07,218 --> 00:33:10,421
So it was kind of like
a testament to how incredible,
830
00:33:10,455 --> 00:33:13,825
you know, patience can be.
831
00:33:13,858 --> 00:33:16,861
Understand how
to appreciate patience.
832
00:33:16,894 --> 00:33:19,363
I kind of learned
how to appreciate patience
833
00:33:19,397 --> 00:33:21,799
through the experience
of working with Dr. Dre
834
00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:23,201
on The Big Bang album.
835
00:33:23,234 --> 00:33:25,436
And I applied all of that
to this album.
836
00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:27,805
And I'm super grateful,
'cause again,
837
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,575
like, we was talking about
earlier why it took so long.
838
00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:33,277
I didn't necessarily
choose to take this long.
839
00:33:33,311 --> 00:33:36,113
But in the process
of taking this long,
840
00:33:36,147 --> 00:33:40,017
I was able to get all
of these magical moments
841
00:33:40,051 --> 00:33:42,053
on one body of work.
842
00:33:42,086 --> 00:33:44,255
Everyone who's on it,
every beat,
843
00:33:44,288 --> 00:33:46,257
every moment feels
like it was curated.
844
00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:48,326
It feels
like Bus-a-Bus exploded.
845
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,928
Everyone who's waited
so many years
846
00:33:50,962 --> 00:33:52,396
for Extinction Level Event 2
847
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:54,265
finally got
what they waited for.
848
00:33:54,298 --> 00:33:56,100
And as you said, man,
the patience paid off.
849
00:33:56,134 --> 00:33:57,935
Busta Rhymes, thank you so much
for joining me on the show.
850
00:33:57,969 --> 00:33:59,837
-I appreciate you, man.
-I salute you.
851
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,940
Thank you... keep it going and
keep it growing, my brother.
852
00:34:02,974 --> 00:34:04,675
Thank you, my dude,
thank you so much.
853
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:06,544
Extinction Level Event 2:
854
00:34:06,577 --> 00:34:08,546
The Wrath of God is
available now.
855
00:34:08,579 --> 00:34:09,914
We're gonna take a quick break,
856
00:34:09,947 --> 00:34:10,014
but we'll be right back
after this.
857
00:34:12,916 --> 00:34:14,618
Well, that's our show
for tonight, but before we go,
858
00:34:14,651 --> 00:34:18,655
please don't forget to support
your local restaurants.
859
00:34:18,688 --> 00:34:21,625
They are struggling to stay open
during this pandemic
860
00:34:21,658 --> 00:34:23,560
and if they don't get
the help that they need,
861
00:34:23,593 --> 00:34:26,129
they might be shut down
for good.
862
00:34:26,162 --> 00:34:28,932
If you want to help them even
more than just buying food,
863
00:34:28,965 --> 00:34:32,836
then please consider a donation
to the James Beard foundation's
864
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:35,772
Open for Good campaign, which
helps independent restaurants
865
00:34:35,805 --> 00:34:38,308
to survive this pandemic.
866
00:34:38,341 --> 00:34:40,677
Until tomorrow,
stay safe out there,
867
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:43,480
wear a mask,
and if you don't wear a mask,
868
00:34:43,513 --> 00:34:45,749
you might want
to practice your pushups.
869
00:34:45,782 --> 00:34:48,084
Now here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
870
00:34:48,118 --> 00:34:50,987
Mr. Kenyon is 91 years old.
871
00:34:51,021 --> 00:34:53,189
And I'd like you to tell us
872
00:34:53,223 --> 00:34:56,159
how you came to get
the vaccine this morning.
873
00:34:56,192 --> 00:34:57,961
How it happened.
874
00:34:57,994 --> 00:35:00,263
I rang up, uh, Guy's Hospital.
875
00:35:00,297 --> 00:35:02,966
And they said, "Well,
come at half past 12."
876
00:35:02,999 --> 00:35:05,168
Of course, I couldn't damn well
find anybody to park my car,
877
00:35:05,201 --> 00:35:08,538
so I was late, went off
and had a rather nasty lunch,
878
00:35:08,571 --> 00:35:12,075
and then came back and, um,
they were ready for me.
879
00:35:12,108 --> 00:35:15,111
How do you feel that you're now
one of the first people
880
00:35:15,145 --> 00:35:17,914
in the country to have received
the first dose of this vaccine?
881
00:35:17,948 --> 00:35:20,150
Thrilled, well, there's
no point to dying now,
882
00:35:20,183 --> 00:35:20,250
when I have lived
as long as I have.