1 00:00:01,635 --> 00:00:02,368 on, everybody. 2 00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:03,787 WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SOCIAL 3 00:00:03,788 --> 00:00:04,335 DISTANCING SHOW." 4 00:00:04,369 --> 00:00:05,587 I’M TREVOR NOAH. 5 00:00:05,622 --> 00:00:07,678 TODAY IS TUESDAY, THE 15th OF 6 00:00:07,712 --> 00:00:10,262 DECEMBER, WHICH MEANS CHRISTMAS 7 00:00:10,264 --> 00:00:12,085 IS ONLY 10 DAYS AWAY. 8 00:00:12,087 --> 00:00:13,482 NOW REMEMBER, WHEN YOU WRAP UP 9 00:00:13,483 --> 00:00:15,812 THE TWO TURTLE DOVES, PUT SOME 10 00:00:15,814 --> 00:00:17,560 AIR HOLES IN THE BOX. 11 00:00:17,561 --> 00:00:19,775 YOU DON’T WANT 12 00:00:19,810 --> 00:00:21,584 CHRISTMAS DAY DIGGING A GRAVE. 13 00:00:21,619 --> 00:00:23,347 ANYWAY, COMING UP ON TONIGHT’S 14 00:00:23,381 --> 00:00:23,624 SHOW: 15 00:00:23,626 --> 00:00:26,271 PRESIDENT TRUMP IS ON HIS WAY 16 00:00:26,272 --> 00:00:27,743 OUT, PRESIDENT BIDEN IS ON HIS 17 00:00:27,777 --> 00:00:28,832 WAY IN, AND PRESIDENT OBAMA IS 18 00:00:28,834 --> 00:00:29,733 HERE ON THE SHOW! 19 00:00:29,735 --> 00:00:30,487 SO LET’S DO THIS, PEOPLE! 20 00:00:30,522 --> 00:00:33,032 WELCOME TO "THE DAILY SOCIAL DISTANCING SHOW." 21 00:00:36,304 --> 00:00:36,870 Announcer: FROM TREVOR’S 22 00:00:36,904 --> 00:00:37,658 Announcer: FROM TREVOR’S 23 00:00:37,659 --> 00:00:40,265 COUCH IN NEW YORK CITY TO YOUR 24 00:00:40,299 --> 00:00:41,649 COUCH SOWHERE IN THE WORLD, 25 00:00:41,684 --> 00:00:42,607 THIS IS "THE DAILY SOCIAL 26 00:00:42,608 --> 00:00:44,919 DISTANCING SHOW," WITH TREVOR 27 00:00:44,953 --> 00:00:45,860 NOAH." 28 00:00:45,861 --> 00:00:48,212 Trevor: LET’S TALK ABOUT 29 00:00:48,246 --> 00:00:49,637 CHRISTMAS TRADITIONS. 30 00:00:49,671 --> 00:00:52,196 EVERY CULTURE HAS THEM, WHETHER 31 00:00:52,197 --> 00:00:53,410 IT’S AMERICANS LEAVING COOKIES 32 00:00:53,411 --> 00:00:56,321 FOR SANTA, THE DUTCH PUTTING ON 33 00:00:56,355 --> 00:00:57,308 BLACKFACE TO PLAY SANTA’S 34 00:00:57,342 --> 00:00:59,210 MAGICAL NEGRO HELPER, OR BRAZIL, 35 00:00:59,244 --> 00:01:00,294 WHERE SANTA GROOMS HIS BEARD 36 00:01:00,328 --> 00:01:02,224 SPECIALLY FOR THE OCCASION. 37 00:01:02,225 --> 00:01:03,353 BUT IN WISCONSIN, THE GOVERNMENT 38 00:01:03,354 --> 00:01:04,830 GRINCH IS TRYING TO STEAL ONE 39 00:01:04,864 --> 00:01:05,866 VERY SPECIAL CHRISTMAS 40 00:01:05,867 --> 00:01:06,408 TRADITION. 41 00:01:06,409 --> 00:01:08,828 A WISCONSIN TRADITION MAY BE 42 00:01:08,829 --> 00:01:10,755 UNDER ATTACK AFTER THE WISCONSIN 43 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:11,853 D.H.S. WARNED AGAINST CONSUMING 44 00:01:11,854 --> 00:01:13,144 RAW BEEF SANDWICHES THIS HOLIDAY 45 00:01:13,179 --> 00:01:13,844 SEASON. 46 00:01:13,845 --> 00:01:16,034 THE POPULAR TREAT, KNOWN AS 47 00:01:16,035 --> 00:01:17,190 "CANNIBAL SANDWICH" OR "THE 48 00:01:17,191 --> 00:01:18,658 WILDCAT," IS OFTEN SERVED AT 49 00:01:18,660 --> 00:01:20,585 HOLIDAY PARTIES AND OTHER 50 00:01:20,586 --> 00:01:21,751 GATHERINGS HERE IN WISCONSIN. 51 00:01:21,785 --> 00:01:24,098 SINCE 1986, THERE HAVE BEEN 52 00:01:24,133 --> 00:01:25,161 EIGHT RAW-MEAT RELATED 53 00:01:25,163 --> 00:01:27,024 OUTBREAKS IN THE STATE OF 54 00:01:27,025 --> 00:01:28,972 WISCONSIN, AND THAT INCLUDES A 55 00:01:28,973 --> 00:01:29,765 SALMONELLA OUTBREAK AFFECTING 56 00:01:29,766 --> 00:01:32,417 MORE THAN 150 PEOPLE IN DECEMBER 57 00:01:32,419 --> 00:01:33,059 OF 1994. 58 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:34,853 DESPITE THE WARNINGS THOUGH, 59 00:01:34,854 --> 00:01:36,404 MANY PEOPLE SAY THEY HAVE NO 60 00:01:36,438 --> 00:01:37,623 PLANS OF ENDING THEIR TRADITION. 61 00:01:37,657 --> 00:01:39,330 IT’S A CHRISTMAS TRADITION. 62 00:01:39,331 --> 00:01:40,957 EVERY YEAR, OUR FAMILY EATS IT. 63 00:01:40,958 --> 00:01:46,574 BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND NEW 64 00:01:46,575 --> 00:01:49,443 YEARS, WE MIGHT GO THROUGH THREE 65 00:01:49,444 --> 00:01:50,811 TO FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS EACH DAY. 66 00:01:50,846 --> 00:01:51,517 WE WARN THE PEOPLE. 67 00:01:51,551 --> 00:01:52,348 WE SAY, "THIS IS RAW MEAT. 68 00:01:52,349 --> 00:01:52,955 YOU SHOULD BE COOKING IT." 69 00:01:52,956 --> 00:01:53,637 BUT WHEN THEY TAKE IT HOME, THEY 70 00:01:53,639 --> 00:01:54,159 CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. 71 00:01:54,194 --> 00:01:54,654 Trevor: "A CANNIBAL 72 00:01:54,688 --> 00:01:54,975 SANDWICH?" 73 00:01:54,976 --> 00:01:56,160 OKAY, I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANY 74 00:01:56,162 --> 00:01:56,954 MORE SHIT FROM AMERICANS ABOUT 75 00:01:56,988 --> 00:01:57,634 WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES EAT. 76 00:01:57,668 --> 00:01:58,701 "EW! 77 00:01:58,703 --> 00:02:00,278 AFRICANS EAT BUGS!" 78 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,748 YEAH, BUT WE COOK THEM FIRST. 79 00:02:02,783 --> 00:02:05,536 I MEAN, RAW GROUND BEEF? 80 00:02:05,537 --> 00:02:06,053 YOU SAVAGES! 81 00:02:06,087 --> 00:02:08,149 WHY WOULD YOU EVEN DO THAT? 82 00:02:08,183 --> 00:02:10,138 I’VE NEVER EATEN A BURGER AND 83 00:02:10,139 --> 00:02:13,870 SAID, "THIS IS GOOD, BUT I WISH 84 00:02:13,905 --> 00:02:16,204 THERE WAS A CHANCE I WOULD DIE. 85 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:17,711 ALTHOUGH, I LOVE HOW THEY DRESS 86 00:02:17,746 --> 00:02:18,521 IT UP WITH THE ONION. 87 00:02:18,555 --> 00:02:19,228 BECAUSE RAW BEEF BY ITSELF IS 88 00:02:19,262 --> 00:02:19,934 GROSS, BUT YOU ADD A RAW ONION, 89 00:02:19,935 --> 00:02:20,362 AND NOW IT’S LIKE, "OOH, 90 00:02:20,396 --> 00:02:20,604 CUISINE!" 91 00:02:20,605 --> 00:02:24,072 HONESTLY, GUYS, I CAN’T EVEN 92 00:02:24,073 --> 00:02:24,845 FOLLOW CHRISTMAS ANYMORE. 93 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:26,614 IT JUST STARTED OUT AS THE BIRTH 94 00:02:26,615 --> 00:02:27,720 OF JESUS, THEN WE ADDED ELVES IN 95 00:02:27,721 --> 00:02:28,643 THE NORTH POLE AND MAGICAL 96 00:02:28,677 --> 00:02:32,172 SNOWMEN, AND NOW YOU GUYS ARE 97 00:02:32,206 --> 00:02:32,897 ADDING CANNIBAL SANDWICHES? 98 00:02:32,931 --> 00:02:34,539 I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, THERE 99 00:02:34,540 --> 00:02:36,026 WON’T BE ANYTHING THE HOLIDAYS 100 00:02:36,027 --> 00:02:36,506 AREN’T ABOUT. 101 00:02:36,507 --> 00:02:38,414 GUYS WILL BE LIKE, "YES, BABY, 102 00:02:38,415 --> 00:02:39,855 I TEXTED MY EX, BUT IT’S A 103 00:02:39,890 --> 00:02:42,957 CHRISTMAS TRADITION. 104 00:02:42,991 --> 00:02:46,069 IT’S NOT CHEATING, ALL RIGHT?" 105 00:02:46,070 --> 00:02:47,834 MOVING ON TO VIDEO GAMES-- THE 106 00:02:47,868 --> 00:02:49,112 OTHER REASON YOUR NEPHEW’S WRIST 107 00:02:49,113 --> 00:02:49,410 HURTS. 108 00:02:49,444 --> 00:02:50,386 BLOCKBUSTER GAMES THESE DAYS ARE 109 00:02:50,421 --> 00:02:51,251 SO HUGE THAT SOMETIMES EVEN WITH 110 00:02:51,285 --> 00:02:52,377 YEARS OF TESTING, DEVELOPERS 111 00:02:52,379 --> 00:02:53,115 STILL CAN’T GET EVERYTHING 112 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:53,636 RIGHT. 113 00:02:53,637 --> 00:02:55,242 BUT ONE NEW GAME HAS SO MANY 114 00:02:55,276 --> 00:02:59,590 BUGS, THE COMPANY WAS FORCED TO 115 00:02:59,624 --> 00:03:00,215 ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY. 116 00:03:00,216 --> 00:03:03,292 THE CREATORS OF ONE OF THE 117 00:03:03,293 --> 00:03:04,362 YEAR’S MOST-ANTICIPATED VIDEO 118 00:03:04,363 --> 00:03:05,894 GAMES IS APOLOGIZING JUST DAYS 119 00:03:05,895 --> 00:03:07,832 AFTER ITS RELEASE. 120 00:03:07,833 --> 00:03:08,996 "CYBERPUNK 2077" HAS BEEN 121 00:03:08,998 --> 00:03:11,584 PLAGUED WITH BUGS AND CRASHES 122 00:03:11,585 --> 00:03:12,406 SINCE ITS DEBUT. 123 00:03:12,407 --> 00:03:16,267 NOW CD PROJEKT RED IS OFFERING 124 00:03:16,268 --> 00:03:17,526 REFUNDS FOR CUSTOMERS 125 00:03:17,528 --> 00:03:19,999 UNSATISFIED WITH THE GAME. 126 00:03:20,001 --> 00:03:21,076 CYBERPUNK 2077, WHICH FEATURES 127 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:23,115 CAMEOS FROM KEANU REEVES AND 128 00:03:23,150 --> 00:03:27,451 ELON MUSK, IS AN ACTION ROLE- 129 00:03:27,453 --> 00:03:30,407 PLAYING GAME SET IN MEGALOPOLIS. 130 00:03:30,408 --> 00:03:32,262 DEVELOPERS SAY THE $60 GAME WAS 131 00:03:32,264 --> 00:03:33,051 PRE-ORDERED MORE THAN EIGHT 132 00:03:33,052 --> 00:03:33,817 MILLION TIMES. 133 00:03:33,818 --> 00:03:34,597 Trevor: WOW, GUYS. 134 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:35,347 DO YOU KNOW HOW BAD SOMETHING 135 00:03:35,348 --> 00:03:36,050 HAS TO BE TO HAVE KEANU REEVES 136 00:03:36,051 --> 00:03:37,938 IN IT AND PEOPLE STILL DON’T 137 00:03:37,939 --> 00:03:38,498 LIKE IT? 138 00:03:38,532 --> 00:03:39,691 I MEAN, SOMEONE COULD SERVE ME 139 00:03:39,692 --> 00:03:41,670 THE CANNIBAL SANDWICH, BUT IF 140 00:03:41,705 --> 00:03:43,200 THEY SAID IT WAS KEANU REEVES, 141 00:03:43,235 --> 00:03:45,013 I’D BE LIKE, "I HATE WHAT YOU 142 00:03:45,047 --> 00:03:46,700 DID TO KEANU, BUT THAT’S 143 00:03:46,702 --> 00:03:49,010 PROBABLY A GHD SANDWICH. 144 00:03:49,011 --> 00:03:50,953 AM I RIGHT IN? 145 00:03:50,954 --> 00:03:52,346 AND IN CASE YOU’RE WONDERING 146 00:03:52,380 --> 00:03:54,206 WHAT KIND OF GLITCHES WOULD BE 147 00:03:54,241 --> 00:03:55,405 SO BAD THAT PEOPLE WOULD DEMAND 148 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,530 THEIR MONEY BACK, WELL, IN SOME 149 00:03:56,531 --> 00:03:57,158 CASES, PLAYERS WOULD SUDDENLY 150 00:03:57,193 --> 00:03:58,789 SEE THEIR CHARACTER’S PENIS 151 00:03:58,824 --> 00:04:00,170 POKING OUT THROUGH THEIR PANTS. 152 00:04:00,172 --> 00:04:00,430 YEAH. 153 00:04:00,431 --> 00:04:01,323 AND THAT IS A HUGE GLITCH! 154 00:04:01,357 --> 00:04:03,415 I MEAN, NOT LIKE A HUGE GLITCH, 155 00:04:03,449 --> 00:04:04,676 AN AVERAGE-SIZED GLITCH, REALLY. 156 00:04:04,711 --> 00:04:07,323 LOOK, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE SIZE OF 157 00:04:07,324 --> 00:04:08,319 THE GLITCH ANYWAY. 158 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,553 LET’S MOVE ON! 159 00:04:10,555 --> 00:04:13,982 STILL, I CAN’T BELIEVE THERE ARE 160 00:04:14,016 --> 00:04:17,326 IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT PENISES, 161 00:04:17,359 --> 00:04:17,703 EITHER. 162 00:04:17,705 --> 00:04:18,784 SOME CHARACTERS WOULD HAVE 163 00:04:18,785 --> 00:04:19,908 THEIR BREASTS POP OUT OF THEIR 164 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:20,194 SHIRTS, TOO. 165 00:04:20,196 --> 00:04:21,047 AND CAN I JUST SAY, KIDS TODAY 166 00:04:21,048 --> 00:04:21,689 ARE SOFT, MAN. 167 00:04:21,690 --> 00:04:23,347 YOU’RE SEEING DICKS AND BOOBS IN 168 00:04:23,381 --> 00:04:25,201 A GAME, AND YOU WANT YOUR MONEY BACK? 169 00:04:25,235 --> 00:04:30,108 IN MY DAY, IF THERE WAS A GLITCH 170 00:04:30,110 --> 00:04:32,295 WHERE YOU COULD SEE BOOBS AND 171 00:04:32,296 --> 00:04:32,926 DICKS, WE’D PAY 172 00:04:32,927 --> 00:04:33,380 DOUBLE FOR THAT. 173 00:04:33,381 --> 00:04:34,404 I DREAMED OF GETTING TO SEE ANY 174 00:04:34,406 --> 00:04:35,272 KIND OF GENITALIA IN A VIDEO 175 00:04:35,273 --> 00:04:35,420 GAME! 176 00:04:35,454 --> 00:04:36,277 I USED TO HAVE TO TAKE A SHARPIE 177 00:04:36,278 --> 00:04:40,252 AND DRAW A DICK ON 178 00:04:40,253 --> 00:04:40,573 PAC-MAN! 179 00:04:40,608 --> 00:04:43,550 YOU YOUNGBLOODS KNOW NOTHING 180 00:04:43,551 --> 00:04:44,385 ABOUT THE STRUGGLE! 181 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:46,129 MOVING ON TO SOMETHING WITH EVEN 182 00:04:46,130 --> 00:04:47,791 MORE BUGS THAN CYBERPUNK 2077-- 183 00:04:47,825 --> 00:04:48,197 AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. 184 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:50,359 IT HAS BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE 185 00:04:50,361 --> 00:04:52,695 JOE BIDEN WON THE 2020 186 00:04:52,696 --> 00:04:53,102 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. 187 00:04:53,136 --> 00:04:54,298 BUT YESTERDAY, HE DID IT AGAIN. 188 00:04:54,333 --> 00:04:56,332 PRESIDENT-ELECT JOE BIDEN 189 00:04:56,334 --> 00:04:59,227 TOOK ANOTHER CRITICAL STEP 190 00:04:59,228 --> 00:05:01,055 TOWARD THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY 191 00:05:01,089 --> 00:05:02,290 WITH THE VOTE BY THE COUNTRY’S 192 00:05:02,325 --> 00:05:03,490 ELECTORS KNOWN AS THE ELECTORAL 193 00:05:03,491 --> 00:05:03,990 COLLEGE, FORMALIZING HIS 194 00:05:03,991 --> 00:05:04,390 VICTORY. 195 00:05:04,424 --> 00:05:05,847 THE CEREMONIES AT STATE 196 00:05:05,848 --> 00:05:07,601 CAPITOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE 197 00:05:07,602 --> 00:05:09,052 USUALLY A MERE FORMALITY, BUT 198 00:05:09,054 --> 00:05:10,930 WITH THE PRESIDENT REFUSING TO 199 00:05:10,931 --> 00:05:12,253 ACCEPT DEFEAT, THE ELECTORS 200 00:05:12,287 --> 00:05:13,417 TODAY FOUND THEMSELVES 201 00:05:13,418 --> 00:05:15,138 IN THE SPOTLIGHT. 202 00:05:15,139 --> 00:05:16,826 LEGISLATIVE OFFICES IN 203 00:05:16,861 --> 00:05:18,116 MICHIGAN WERE CLOSED YESTERDAY 204 00:05:18,150 --> 00:05:19,787 AMID THREATS OF VIOLENCE, AND 205 00:05:19,822 --> 00:05:21,240 STATE POLICE HAD TO BLOCK A 206 00:05:21,274 --> 00:05:22,864 GROUP OF PRO-TRUMP SUPPORTERS 207 00:05:22,865 --> 00:05:25,096 FROM ENTERING THE CAPITOL. 208 00:05:25,131 --> 00:05:27,163 THE CAPITOL IS CLOSED UNLESS 209 00:05:27,165 --> 00:05:28,876 YOU HAVE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS OR 210 00:05:28,910 --> 00:05:30,635 IF YOU’RE TAKING PART IN THE 211 00:05:30,636 --> 00:05:31,615 ELECTORAL COLLEGE PROCESS. 212 00:05:31,616 --> 00:05:33,643 ANYONE ELSE, NOT PERMITTED. 213 00:05:33,644 --> 00:05:35,663 WE’RE ELECTORS. 214 00:05:35,664 --> 00:05:36,490 WE’RE ELECTORS. 215 00:05:36,524 --> 00:05:37,566 THE ELECTORS ARE ALREADY 216 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,135 HERE. 217 00:05:38,137 --> 00:05:39,357 THEY HAVE BEEN CHECKED IN. 218 00:05:39,391 --> 00:05:42,054 Trevor: I LOVE THAT OFFICER’S 219 00:05:42,088 --> 00:05:42,673 PATIENCE. 220 00:05:42,708 --> 00:05:44,295 "BUT WE’RE ALSO ELECTORS!" 221 00:05:44,297 --> 00:05:47,161 "YES, YOU ARE, AND YOU LOOK SO 222 00:05:47,195 --> 00:05:48,188 GOOD IN YOUR ELECTOR COSTUMES! 223 00:05:48,189 --> 00:05:49,320 BUT THIS MEETING IS ONLY FOR 224 00:05:49,321 --> 00:05:51,014 GROWN-UPS, SO WHY DON’T YOU GUYS 225 00:05:51,048 --> 00:05:52,576 GO TO THE PARK AND PLAY YOUR 226 00:05:52,577 --> 00:05:53,863 SORE-LOSER GAME OVER THERE, 227 00:05:53,864 --> 00:05:55,693 MM-KAY?" 228 00:05:55,727 --> 00:06:00,840 AND DON’T GET ME WRONG, I’M GLAD 229 00:06:00,842 --> 00:06:02,624 THAT THE SYSTEM WORKED, BUT IT 230 00:06:02,659 --> 00:06:03,925 IS WEIRD THAT THIS IS THE 231 00:06:03,927 --> 00:06:04,290 SYSTEM. 232 00:06:04,324 --> 00:06:05,268 EVERYONE HAS KNOWN THAT JOE 233 00:06:05,269 --> 00:06:06,314 BIDEN WAS ELECTED FOR A MONTH, 234 00:06:06,315 --> 00:06:07,307 BUT IF THOSE GUYS HAD SOMEHOW 235 00:06:07,308 --> 00:06:08,061 MANAGED TO SNEAK INTO THE ROOM, 236 00:06:08,062 --> 00:06:10,524 THEY COULD HAVE SCREWED UP THE 237 00:06:10,559 --> 00:06:10,944 WHOLE THING? 238 00:06:10,979 --> 00:06:13,344 I MEAN, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED 239 00:06:13,379 --> 00:06:16,564 IF THAT COP HAD BEEN 50% DUMBER 240 00:06:16,598 --> 00:06:17,929 AND LET THOSE GUYS IN? 241 00:06:17,963 --> 00:06:19,019 YOU DON’T WANT YOUR DEMOCRACY TO 242 00:06:19,053 --> 00:06:19,894 DEPEND ON A BOUNCER. 243 00:06:19,928 --> 00:06:21,134 BUT, YES, FOR THE 30th TIME, 244 00:06:21,135 --> 00:06:21,902 DONALD TRUMP’S ATTEMPTS TO UNDO 245 00:06:21,936 --> 00:06:23,592 THE ELECTION HAVE ONCE AGAIN 246 00:06:23,593 --> 00:06:27,134 FINALLY COME TO AN END. 247 00:06:27,135 --> 00:06:29,703 AND EVEN SOME OF HIS BIGGEST 248 00:06:29,705 --> 00:06:30,765 ENABLERS ARE ACCEPTING REALITY. 249 00:06:30,766 --> 00:06:32,019 PRESIDENT TRUMP REFUSES TO 250 00:06:32,053 --> 00:06:33,333 CONCEDE BUT TOP REPUBLICANS NOW 251 00:06:33,368 --> 00:06:33,806 CONGRATULATING BIDEN. 252 00:06:33,807 --> 00:06:35,246 I THINK HE SHOULD CONCEDE. 253 00:06:35,247 --> 00:06:37,236 I THINK THE RACE IS OVER. 254 00:06:37,238 --> 00:06:38,400 PENNSYLVANIA REPUBLICAN 255 00:06:38,401 --> 00:06:39,582 SENATOR PAT TOOMEY IS TELLING 256 00:06:39,583 --> 00:06:40,460 "THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER," 257 00:06:40,494 --> 00:06:41,601 "THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION IS 258 00:06:41,602 --> 00:06:43,706 CLEAR, AND THAT IS THAT JOE 259 00:06:43,740 --> 00:06:45,657 BIDEN WON THE ELECTION." 260 00:06:45,691 --> 00:06:47,694 SENATE MAJORITY WHIP JOHN 261 00:06:47,728 --> 00:06:50,812 THUNE OF SOUTH DAKOTA SAID, 262 00:06:50,846 --> 00:06:53,585 "IT’S TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO MOVE 263 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:53,899 ON." 264 00:06:53,934 --> 00:06:55,523 THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE HAS 265 00:06:55,524 --> 00:06:55,831 SPOKEN. 266 00:06:55,865 --> 00:06:57,316 SO TODAY I WANT TO CONGRATULATE 267 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:59,140 PRESIDENT-ELECT JOE BIDEN. 268 00:06:59,175 --> 00:07:00,398 OVERNIGHT, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT 269 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:01,994 VLADIMIR PUTIN FINALLY 270 00:07:01,996 --> 00:07:03,595 ACKNOWLEDGING BIDEN’S VICTORY, 271 00:07:03,596 --> 00:07:05,195 CONGRATULATING HIM IN A 272 00:07:05,197 --> 00:07:06,489 TELEGRAM, REPORTEDLY WRITING IN 273 00:07:06,490 --> 00:07:07,486 PART, "I AM READY FOR 274 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,246 INTERACTION AND CONTACTS WITH 275 00:07:09,281 --> 00:07:09,610 YOU." 276 00:07:09,644 --> 00:07:14,257 Trevor: "I AM READY FOR 277 00:07:14,258 --> 00:07:16,346 INTERACTION AND CONTACTS WITH 278 00:07:16,347 --> 00:07:16,655 YOU"? 279 00:07:16,690 --> 00:07:17,648 PUTIN SOUNDS LIKE A 280 00:07:17,649 --> 00:07:18,422 SELF-CHECKOUT AT CVS. 281 00:07:18,423 --> 00:07:18,966 "READY FOR INTERACTION. 282 00:07:18,967 --> 00:07:22,671 PLEASE TO PLACE ITEM IN THE 283 00:07:22,672 --> 00:07:23,531 BAG." 284 00:07:23,533 --> 00:07:25,510 SERIOUSLY, GUYS, WHAT A WEIRD 285 00:07:25,545 --> 00:07:26,658 PHRASE: "I AM READY FOR 286 00:07:26,659 --> 00:07:27,659 INTERACTION AND CONTACTS WITH 287 00:07:27,694 --> 00:07:28,250 YOU." 288 00:07:28,251 --> 00:07:31,455 IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT MIKE PENCE 289 00:07:31,456 --> 00:07:32,029 GETTING FRISKY. 290 00:07:32,030 --> 00:07:33,137 AND YOU KNOW TRUMP’S LUCK HAS 291 00:07:33,138 --> 00:07:33,952 RUN OUT NOW THAT MITCH McCONNELL 292 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:34,951 HAS CONCEDED THE ELECTION, 293 00:07:34,952 --> 00:07:35,817 BECAUSE FORGET PUTIN. 294 00:07:35,818 --> 00:07:38,075 IF MITCH CAN’T FIND A WAY TO 295 00:07:38,109 --> 00:07:40,223 SUBVERT AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, THEN 296 00:07:40,257 --> 00:07:41,685 IT JUST CAN’T BE DONE. 297 00:07:41,686 --> 00:07:42,528 AND THERE’S ANOTHER SURE SIGN 298 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:43,390 THAT TRUMP’S TIME IS COMING TO 299 00:07:43,392 --> 00:07:44,115 AN END. 300 00:07:44,116 --> 00:07:45,333 ONE OF HIS MOST-LOYAL MINIONS IS 301 00:07:45,334 --> 00:07:47,025 PEACE-ING OUT. 302 00:07:47,026 --> 00:07:49,814 MOMENTS AFTER THE ELECTORAL 303 00:07:49,815 --> 00:07:53,475 COLLEGE MADE MR. BIDEN’S VICTORY 304 00:07:53,509 --> 00:07:53,865 OFFICIAL, 305 00:07:53,866 --> 00:07:55,503 PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID WILLIAM 306 00:07:55,538 --> 00:07:56,065 BARR RESIGNED. 307 00:07:56,099 --> 00:07:57,197 HE WILL LEAVE HIS POST NEXT WEEK 308 00:07:57,231 --> 00:07:58,098 AFTER THE PAIR MET YESTERDAY AT 309 00:07:58,100 --> 00:07:58,875 THE WHITE HOUSE. 310 00:07:58,909 --> 00:07:59,943 LATELY, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS 311 00:07:59,978 --> 00:08:01,136 BEEN UPSET THAT BARR SAID THE 312 00:08:01,137 --> 00:08:03,015 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FOUND NO 313 00:08:03,016 --> 00:08:04,709 EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD FRAUD IN 314 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:05,734 THE 2020 ELECTION, A DIRECT 315 00:08:05,768 --> 00:08:07,086 CONTRADICTION OF THE PRESIDENT’S 316 00:08:07,121 --> 00:08:08,026 FALSE CLAIMS. 317 00:08:08,028 --> 00:08:09,813 BARR HAS ALSO ADMITTED THE 318 00:08:09,814 --> 00:08:11,074 PRESIDENT’S INTERFERENCE AT THE 319 00:08:11,075 --> 00:08:15,563 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE MADE HIS 320 00:08:15,597 --> 00:08:17,993 JOB IMPOSSIBLE. 321 00:08:18,028 --> 00:08:21,824 Trevor: YES, BILL BARR HAS 322 00:08:21,825 --> 00:08:22,854 OFICIALLY RESIGNED, WHICH 323 00:08:22,855 --> 00:08:23,559 SURPRISED SOME PEOPLE, BECAUSE 324 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,359 FOR A LONG TIME, IT SEEMED LIKE 325 00:08:24,393 --> 00:08:25,098 HE WAS RIDE OR DIE WITH TRUMP. 326 00:08:25,132 --> 00:08:25,523 HE WHITEWASHED THE MUELLER 327 00:08:25,558 --> 00:08:26,564 REPORT. 328 00:08:26,598 --> 00:08:28,630 HE PROTECTED TRUMP’S CRONIES 329 00:08:28,632 --> 00:08:29,842 HE EVEN REPORTEDLY ORDERED 330 00:08:29,843 --> 00:08:30,708 PEACEFUL PROTESTORS TO BE 331 00:08:30,709 --> 00:08:31,674 TEARGASSED SO TRUMP COULD WALK 332 00:08:31,675 --> 00:08:33,619 OVER TO A CHURCH AND WAVE A 333 00:08:33,654 --> 00:08:36,555 BIBLE NEXT TO IT. 334 00:08:36,589 --> 00:08:39,140 AND WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE CHEF 335 00:08:39,141 --> 00:08:40,355 PREPARED BRUSSELS SPROUTS, BARR 336 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:41,491 WOULD HIDE UNDER THE TABLE SO 337 00:08:41,526 --> 00:08:42,630 TRUMP COULD FEED THEM TO HIM. 338 00:08:42,665 --> 00:08:44,636 THE POINT IS THESE TWO WERE LIKE 339 00:08:44,638 --> 00:08:45,667 BATMAN AND ROBIN-- IF BATMAN AND 340 00:08:45,669 --> 00:08:51,184 ROBIN COULDN’T FIT INTO THEIR 341 00:08:51,219 --> 00:08:51,664 TIGHTS. 342 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:53,169 BUT TRUMP ALSO WANTED BARR TO 343 00:08:53,171 --> 00:08:54,102 OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULTS, 344 00:08:54,137 --> 00:08:55,397 AND BARR WOULDN’T DO THAT. 345 00:08:55,431 --> 00:08:56,958 SO ONE OF TWO THINGS HAPPENED: 346 00:08:56,993 --> 00:08:57,992 EITHER BARR QUIT BECAUSE TRUMP 347 00:08:57,993 --> 00:09:00,026 BECAME TOO BATSHIT CRAZY EVEN 348 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:01,368 FOR HIM, OR TRUMP FIRED BARR 349 00:09:01,369 --> 00:09:02,063 BECAUSE HE’S NOT BATSHIT CRAZY 350 00:09:02,064 --> 00:09:04,140 ENOUGH TO ROLL IN THIS WHITE 351 00:09:04,174 --> 00:09:04,868 HOUSE. 352 00:09:04,902 --> 00:09:08,067 EITHER WAY, THIS WORKS OUT THE 353 00:09:08,069 --> 00:09:09,203 BEST FOR BARR, BECAUSE EVERYONE 354 00:09:09,237 --> 00:09:10,371 IS HEADING OUT ON JANUARY 20, SO 355 00:09:10,406 --> 00:09:12,556 THIS WAY, AT LEAST BILL BARR IS 356 00:09:12,591 --> 00:09:13,207 BEATING THE TRAFFIC. 357 00:09:13,242 --> 00:09:14,676 BUT LET’S MOVE ON, BECAUSE IT’S 358 00:09:14,677 --> 00:09:15,906 EASY TO FORGET THAT DONALD TRUMP 359 00:09:15,941 --> 00:09:17,497 HASN’T ALWAYS BEEN THE 360 00:09:17,531 --> 00:09:18,447 PRESIDENT. 361 00:09:18,448 --> 00:09:21,261 AND EARLIER THIS WEEK, I SAT 362 00:09:21,263 --> 00:09:23,662 DOWN WITH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA 363 00:09:23,697 --> 00:09:25,083 FOR A WIDE-RANGING CONVERSATION. 364 00:09:25,117 --> 00:09:27,243 WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES 365 00:09:27,278 --> 00:09:29,028 FACING THE WORLD, HIS MESSAGE TO 366 00:09:29,062 --> 00:09:29,715 YOUNG ACTIVISTS, AND 367 00:09:29,716 --> 00:09:32,740 WORKSHOPPING SLOGANS WITH 368 00:09:32,741 --> 00:09:33,321 MICHELLE. 369 00:09:33,322 --> 00:09:33,852 ENJOY. 370 00:09:33,887 --> 00:09:35,939 ARE YOU GOING TO FILIBUSTER ME. 371 00:09:35,973 --> 00:09:37,859 I DON’T HAVE ALL THE TIME-- 372 00:09:37,860 --> 00:09:40,100 DO YOU WANT ME TO BE-- IS 373 00:09:40,134 --> 00:09:41,625 THIS A ROUNDABOUT WAY OF SAYING 374 00:09:41,659 --> 00:09:43,541 YOU WANT ME TO GIVE SHORT,. 375 00:09:43,543 --> 00:09:44,207 IY ANSWERS. 376 00:09:44,242 --> 00:09:45,879 Trevor: no, I don’t want 377 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:46,673 quick answers. 378 00:09:46,674 --> 00:09:48,824 DO YOU WANT ME TO SPEED UP? 379 00:09:48,858 --> 00:09:49,435 Trevor: no, 380 00:09:49,436 --> 00:09:50,362 Mr. President-- 381 00:09:50,397 --> 00:09:51,719 I WILL NOT PURPOSELY 382 00:09:51,753 --> 00:09:53,177 FILIBUSTER, BUT SOMETIMES I WILL 383 00:09:53,178 --> 00:09:55,827 HAVE A PAUSE AS I’M FORMULATING 384 00:09:55,862 --> 00:09:57,259 MY THOUGHTS, AS YOU WELL KNOW. 385 00:09:57,293 --> 00:09:59,567 MICHELLE-- MICHELLE HAS BEEN 386 00:09:59,568 --> 00:10:01,480 SPEEDING UP MY AUTO-- MY AUDIO 387 00:10:01,481 --> 00:10:01,671 BOOK. 388 00:10:01,673 --> 00:10:03,208 SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU CAN 389 00:10:03,209 --> 00:10:05,911 PRESS A BUTTON SO IT PLAYS -- 390 00:10:05,945 --> 00:10:07,386 YEAH, YEAH, YOU CAN TWO 1.25 391 00:10:07,420 --> 00:10:09,775 OR ONE AND A HALF. 392 00:10:09,776 --> 00:10:11,247 YOU’RE A ONE-AND-A-HALF-GUY. 393 00:10:11,249 --> 00:10:12,217 YOU’RE DEFINITELY A 394 00:10:12,251 --> 00:10:12,551 ONE-AND-A-HALF-GUY. 395 00:10:12,585 --> 00:10:15,050 I WAS A LITTLE OFFENDED BY 396 00:10:15,051 --> 00:10:16,414 THAT, BUT THAT’S OKAY. 397 00:10:16,415 --> 00:10:16,921 THAT’S FINE. 398 00:10:16,923 --> 00:10:18,277 IT DOESN’T COMMUNICATE THE DEPTH 399 00:10:18,278 --> 00:10:20,004 OF FEELING WITH WHICH I’M DOING 400 00:10:20,005 --> 00:10:20,555 THE READING. 401 00:10:20,589 --> 00:10:21,641 BUT IT’S OKAY. 402 00:10:21,676 --> 00:10:23,345 Trevor: how do you like 403 00:10:23,379 --> 00:10:24,319 being referred to, like, just as 404 00:10:24,354 --> 00:10:25,781 a human being? 405 00:10:25,815 --> 00:10:28,648 DO YOU LIKE "MR. PRESIDENT?" 406 00:10:28,683 --> 00:10:31,098 PEOPLE CALL ME BARACK, BUT 407 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:32,630 SOMETIMES SOME FOLKS FEEL 408 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:33,396 AWKWARD DOING IT. 409 00:10:33,397 --> 00:10:34,859 OBVIOUSLY, THAT’S WHAT MY 410 00:10:34,860 --> 00:10:35,974 FRIENDS CALL ME. 411 00:10:35,975 --> 00:10:37,810 SO I CONSIDER YOU A FRIEND, BUT 412 00:10:37,844 --> 00:10:39,367 YOU MAY FEEL, YOU KNOW, SO... 413 00:10:39,401 --> 00:10:41,528 Trevor: no, no, the people 414 00:10:41,529 --> 00:10:44,211 will feel like-- like, even 415 00:10:44,212 --> 00:10:46,062 Africans, they’ll write me 416 00:10:46,063 --> 00:10:47,823 letters saying, "how dare you--" 417 00:10:47,858 --> 00:10:49,038 THIS IS MY POINT. 418 00:10:49,073 --> 00:10:50,114 I DON’T WANT TO GET YOU IN 419 00:10:50,115 --> 00:10:50,908 TROUBLE. 420 00:10:50,909 --> 00:10:53,565 YOU CAN SAY, "MR. PRESIDENT." 421 00:10:53,566 --> 00:10:56,664 YOU CAN CALL ME "POTUS." 422 00:10:56,698 --> 00:10:58,301 Trevor: my favorite was 423 00:10:58,335 --> 00:10:58,866 obizal. 424 00:10:58,868 --> 00:11:00,271 PLEASE CALL ME THAT. 425 00:11:00,272 --> 00:11:00,986 Trevor: Mr. President, 426 00:11:00,988 --> 00:11:01,998 welcome to "The Daily Social 427 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,011 Distancing Show." 428 00:11:03,013 --> 00:11:05,049 I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE 429 00:11:05,050 --> 00:11:05,652 WITH YOU. 430 00:11:05,653 --> 00:11:07,044 Trevor: you’re out there 431 00:11:07,045 --> 00:11:08,576 promoting a brand-new book "A 432 00:11:08,577 --> 00:11:10,314 Promised Land," a 700-page book, 433 00:11:10,315 --> 00:11:12,256 if I may add. 434 00:11:12,257 --> 00:11:14,576 I LOVE READING YOUR STF-- DON’T 435 00:11:14,610 --> 00:11:16,777 GET ME LONG, BUT I WOULD HAVE 436 00:11:16,779 --> 00:11:17,715 LIKED 350, 350. 437 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:18,858 WHY 700 PAGES? 438 00:11:18,859 --> 00:11:21,936 I WOULD HAVE BROKEN IT UP 439 00:11:21,937 --> 00:11:23,877 EVEN MORE BUT, YOU KNOW, THE 440 00:11:23,878 --> 00:11:26,359 PUBLISHERS THOUGHT THAT BREAKING 441 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:29,687 IT UP INTO TWO VOLUMES WOULD BE 442 00:11:29,688 --> 00:11:30,544 ABOUT RIGHT. 443 00:11:30,579 --> 00:11:33,392 AND... LOOK, THE GOAL OF THE 444 00:11:33,394 --> 00:11:36,284 BOOK WAS TO GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE 445 00:11:36,286 --> 00:11:38,020 OF WHAT IT’S LIKE TO BE IN THE 446 00:11:38,021 --> 00:11:38,373 WHITE HOUSE. 447 00:11:38,374 --> 00:11:39,957 Trevor: right. 448 00:11:39,992 --> 00:11:42,158 AS A NORMAL PERSON, FINDING 449 00:11:42,193 --> 00:11:42,949 THEMSELVES IN EXTRAORDINARY 450 00:11:42,951 --> 00:11:43,467 CIRCUMSTANCES. 451 00:11:43,468 --> 00:11:46,621 AND I THINK PART OF THE GOAL, 452 00:11:46,622 --> 00:11:48,402 PARTICULARLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, I 453 00:11:48,403 --> 00:11:50,230 WANTED THEM TO GET A SENSE THAT, 454 00:11:50,232 --> 00:11:51,844 YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY’S GOING 455 00:11:51,846 --> 00:11:53,684 TO END UP BEING PRESIDENT. 456 00:11:53,685 --> 00:11:55,554 BUT IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOUR 457 00:11:55,555 --> 00:11:57,701 VOICE MAKES A DIFFERENCE, IF YOU 458 00:11:57,736 --> 00:11:59,073 DECIDE THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN 459 00:11:59,107 --> 00:12:01,288 IMPACT, THEN THROUGH THE UPS AND 460 00:12:01,322 --> 00:12:03,882 DOWNS, YOU WILL END UP HAVING 461 00:12:03,916 --> 00:12:05,072 SOME PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY 462 00:12:05,073 --> 00:12:05,404 EXPERIENCES. 463 00:12:05,405 --> 00:12:07,567 AND I WANTED TO BE AN 464 00:12:07,568 --> 00:12:09,214 ENCOURAGEMENT FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, 465 00:12:09,215 --> 00:12:12,276 "EH, YOU KNOW, THE GUY, YEAH, 466 00:12:12,277 --> 00:12:14,086 HE’S OKAY, BUT HE’S NOT SO 467 00:12:14,121 --> 00:12:15,362 SPECIAL AND LOOK WHAT HE ENDED 468 00:12:15,397 --> 00:12:16,148 UP DOING. 469 00:12:16,149 --> 00:12:17,375 MAYBE I CAN DO SOMETHING AS 470 00:12:17,376 --> 00:12:18,351 WELL." 471 00:12:18,352 --> 00:12:21,644 Trevor: it feels like this 472 00:12:21,645 --> 00:12:23,982 book is Barack Obama convincing 473 00:12:23,983 --> 00:12:25,081 Barack Obama to remain 474 00:12:25,082 --> 00:12:25,507 optimistic. 475 00:12:25,508 --> 00:12:27,239 AND WHAT I MEAN BY "CONVINCING 476 00:12:27,273 --> 00:12:28,651 BARACK OBAMA," I THINK OF, LIKE, 477 00:12:28,652 --> 00:12:29,759 A YOUNG BARACK OBAMA. 478 00:12:29,794 --> 00:12:30,744 I THINK OF A FLEDGLING BARACK 479 00:12:30,745 --> 00:12:31,256 OBAMA. 480 00:12:31,258 --> 00:12:34,385 NOT TRYING TO EMULATE YOU PER 481 00:12:34,419 --> 00:12:36,704 SE, BUT RATHER KNRN ANYONE WHO I 482 00:12:36,739 --> 00:12:38,574 TRYING TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THEIR 483 00:12:38,575 --> 00:12:39,759 WORLD OR THE WORLD. 484 00:12:39,761 --> 00:12:41,411 THAT’S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. 485 00:12:41,412 --> 00:12:43,762 IF YOU ARE WRITING TO YOUNG 486 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,747 PEOPLE TO BE OPTIMISTIC IN THE 487 00:12:45,748 --> 00:12:47,459 BOOK, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE 488 00:12:47,494 --> 00:12:49,374 FRUSTRATIONS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND 489 00:12:49,409 --> 00:12:50,977 ON THEIR SIDE THAT MAY HINDER 490 00:12:51,012 --> 00:12:51,885 THAT OPTIMISM? 491 00:12:51,886 --> 00:12:54,528 IF A YOUNG PERSON SAYS, "YEAH, 492 00:12:54,529 --> 00:12:56,143 BUT THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS 493 00:12:56,144 --> 00:12:58,016 CRUMBLING MORE AND MORE," HOW DO 494 00:12:58,017 --> 00:12:59,127 YOU-- HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT 495 00:12:59,161 --> 00:12:59,452 OPTIMISM? 496 00:12:59,486 --> 00:13:01,913 OR DO YOU THINK THERE HAS TO BE 497 00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:03,231 A POINT WHERE THEY GO, "I’M NOT 498 00:13:03,232 --> 00:13:03,644 OPTIMISTIC. 499 00:13:03,678 --> 00:13:05,254 I’M JUST FIGHTING TO BREAK 500 00:13:05,255 --> 00:13:06,231 WHATEVER IT IS TO CREATE 501 00:13:06,265 --> 00:13:07,306 SOMETHING NEW." 502 00:13:07,307 --> 00:13:09,787 PART OF THE REASON IT’S 700 503 00:13:09,821 --> 00:13:11,462 PAGES LONG IS BECAUSE BY READING 504 00:13:11,496 --> 00:13:13,343 THE BOOK THEY’LL SEE, MAN, THERE 505 00:13:13,344 --> 00:13:15,494 ARE A LOT OF STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS 506 00:13:15,496 --> 00:13:16,669 OR BARRIERS IN MAKING THIS PLACE 507 00:13:16,704 --> 00:13:17,966 BETTER. 508 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,423 WE’RE LEARNING RIGHT NOW IN 509 00:13:21,424 --> 00:13:25,317 VIVID-- A VIVID EXAMPLE OF THE 510 00:13:25,351 --> 00:13:28,370 FACT THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS NOT 511 00:13:28,404 --> 00:13:30,221 THE WAY WE WOULD IMAGINE IT TO 512 00:13:30,222 --> 00:13:30,862 BE. 513 00:13:30,896 --> 00:13:34,332 THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ELEMENTS 514 00:13:34,367 --> 00:13:37,723 TO IT WHERE THE MOST VOTES DON’T 515 00:13:37,758 --> 00:13:40,816 NECESSARILY TRANSLATE INTO THE 516 00:13:40,851 --> 00:13:42,526 EQUIVALENT AMOUNT OF POWER. 517 00:13:42,527 --> 00:13:43,987 VERY POPULAR PROPOSALS CAN 518 00:13:43,988 --> 00:13:47,317 WHITHER ON THE VINE BECAUSE OF A 519 00:13:47,318 --> 00:13:48,948 FILIBUSTER IN THE SENATE. 520 00:13:48,982 --> 00:13:51,769 AND SO I DON’T TRY TO GLOSS 521 00:13:51,804 --> 00:13:52,825 THOSE OVER. 522 00:13:52,859 --> 00:13:55,326 YOU KNOW, THE PARIS ACCORD DID 523 00:13:55,361 --> 00:13:57,415 NOT SOLVE CLIMB CHANGE, BUT IT 524 00:13:57,450 --> 00:13:59,081 CREATED THE FIRST GLOBAL 525 00:13:59,082 --> 00:14:00,224 FRAMEWORK, WHEREBY ALL COUNTRIES 526 00:14:00,258 --> 00:14:01,899 AGREED WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING 527 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:02,888 ABOUT THIS AND HERE’S A 528 00:14:02,889 --> 00:14:04,778 MECHANISM TO DO IT. 529 00:14:04,812 --> 00:14:06,763 YOU CAN STILL BE TERRIFIED ABOUT 530 00:14:06,765 --> 00:14:09,886 THE PACE AT WHICH WE ARE BURNING 531 00:14:09,888 --> 00:14:12,433 UP THE PLANET, AND YET THINK 532 00:14:12,467 --> 00:14:14,602 THAT WAS A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR 533 00:14:14,603 --> 00:14:17,192 BECAUSE IT GIVES US AT LEAST THE 534 00:14:17,193 --> 00:14:18,654 OPPORTUNITY MAYBE THREE, FOUR, 535 00:14:18,655 --> 00:14:20,093 FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TO KEEP 536 00:14:20,094 --> 00:14:20,974 BUILDING ON THAT. 537 00:14:20,975 --> 00:14:23,806 SO THAT IS THE KIND OF MENTALITY 538 00:14:23,841 --> 00:14:26,841 I WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO HAVE, A 539 00:14:26,876 --> 00:14:27,909 CERTAIN IMPATIENCE, A CERTAIN 540 00:14:27,943 --> 00:14:30,178 FRUSTRATION, A CERTAIN ANGER 541 00:14:30,212 --> 00:14:31,755 ABOUT THE STATUS QUO. 542 00:14:31,756 --> 00:14:34,706 THERE ARE TIMES NOW WHERE, YOU 543 00:14:34,741 --> 00:14:37,293 KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUNGER ACTIVISTS 544 00:14:37,327 --> 00:14:38,976 CRITICIZING ME FOR-- "OBAMA, WHY 545 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:40,956 DIDN’T YOU TAKE CARE OF THIS OR 546 00:14:40,991 --> 00:14:43,429 THAT OR THE OTHER?" 547 00:14:43,431 --> 00:14:45,988 AND I-- I WELCOME THEM FEELING 548 00:14:45,989 --> 00:14:47,025 FRUSTRATED AND IMPATIENT, 549 00:14:47,026 --> 00:14:48,816 BECAUSE THAT’S HOW I WAS BEFORE 550 00:14:48,817 --> 00:14:50,074 I GOT STARTED. 551 00:14:50,108 --> 00:14:53,048 AND THEN THEY’LL GET THEIR OWN 552 00:14:53,083 --> 00:14:54,718 KNOCKS ON THE HEAD AND SOME 553 00:14:54,719 --> 00:14:55,960 STUFF WON’T WORK OUT EXACTLY THE 554 00:14:55,961 --> 00:14:57,997 WAY THEY WANT. 555 00:14:57,999 --> 00:15:00,780 BUT THE INTULS IMPULSE IS THE ON 556 00:15:00,781 --> 00:15:02,429 WANT TO ENCOURAGE. 557 00:15:02,430 --> 00:15:05,392 BECAUSE IT’S AS A CONSEQUENCE OF 558 00:15:05,394 --> 00:15:07,030 THAT CONSTANT STRIVING AND 559 00:15:07,031 --> 00:15:08,318 IMAGINING SOMETHING BETTER THAT 560 00:15:08,319 --> 00:15:11,297 THINGS DON’T GET EXACTLY AS WE 561 00:15:11,299 --> 00:15:13,399 WANT IT, BUT THEY GET BETTER. 562 00:15:13,433 --> 00:15:14,882 Trevor: you’re a very 563 00:15:14,916 --> 00:15:15,962 serious person because, I mean, 564 00:15:15,964 --> 00:15:17,249 you’re a president of the United 565 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:18,596 States, but at the same time, 566 00:15:18,597 --> 00:15:20,420 you’re a lot more fun than a lot 567 00:15:20,421 --> 00:15:21,002 of people think. 568 00:15:21,003 --> 00:15:21,870 YOU KNOW. 569 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:23,659 I’M CONSTANTLY TRYING TO 570 00:15:23,694 --> 00:15:25,765 EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE I’M A FUNNY 571 00:15:25,766 --> 00:15:27,123 GUY, BUT-- BUT, I DON’T KNOW. 572 00:15:27,157 --> 00:15:27,801 Trevor: but you really 573 00:15:27,836 --> 00:15:28,302 are. 574 00:15:28,337 --> 00:15:29,406 YOU REALLY, REALLY ARE. 575 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,306 WHAT I LIKED IN THE BOOK THERE 576 00:15:31,308 --> 00:15:32,625 ARE MOMENTS WHERE THERE’S JUST A 577 00:15:32,626 --> 00:15:34,305 ROASTING OF PEOPLE OR LIFE. 578 00:15:34,306 --> 00:15:35,742 LIKE THE G-20. 579 00:15:35,776 --> 00:15:37,839 I’VE NEVER-- I’VE NEVER HEARD A 580 00:15:37,841 --> 00:15:39,678 WORLD LEADER DESCRIBE THE G-20 581 00:15:39,712 --> 00:15:41,747 THE WAY YOU DO IN THE BOOK IT’S 582 00:15:41,748 --> 00:15:43,217 HIGH SCHOOL OF IT ALL. 583 00:15:43,251 --> 00:15:44,744 I WONDERED ON A PERSONAL LEVEL 584 00:15:44,779 --> 00:15:46,482 HAVE YOU MAINTAINED CONNECTIONS 585 00:15:46,484 --> 00:15:48,103 WITH THOSE LEADERS? 586 00:15:48,105 --> 00:15:50,506 DO YOU SEND ANGELA MERKEL MEMES. 587 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:52,012 WHO ARE YOU CLOSE WITH AS A 588 00:15:52,013 --> 00:15:53,072 HUMAN BEING? 589 00:15:53,106 --> 00:15:55,712 I DON’T SEND ANGELA MERKEL 590 00:15:55,746 --> 00:15:57,177 MEMES, BUT I TALK TO HER 591 00:15:57,211 --> 00:15:57,608 SOMETIMES. 592 00:15:57,609 --> 00:15:59,321 SOMETIMES SHE’LL GIVE ME A CALL. 593 00:15:59,322 --> 00:16:00,786 I’LL GIVE HER A CALL. 594 00:16:00,821 --> 00:16:03,242 WE’LL TRADE NOTES. 595 00:16:03,276 --> 00:16:07,032 THERE ARE A HAND FULL OF FOLKS 596 00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:09,051 WHO YOU’VE BEEN IN THE FOX HOLE 597 00:16:09,085 --> 00:16:10,472 WITH, RIGHT. 598 00:16:10,473 --> 00:16:12,268 YOU’VE DONE SOME GOOD, IMPORTANT 599 00:16:12,269 --> 00:16:12,953 WORK. 600 00:16:12,954 --> 00:16:16,575 SOME OF THEM ARE STILL IN POWER, 601 00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:19,839 SO I DON’T WANT TO MENTION THAT 602 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,870 KNOW-- THAT I’M GIVING THEM A 603 00:16:21,904 --> 00:16:23,273 CALL BECAUSE WHO KNOWS? 604 00:16:23,308 --> 00:16:25,453 IT MIGHT GET THEM INTO TROUBLE. 605 00:16:25,487 --> 00:16:26,849 YOU MENTIONED SOMEBODY LIKE AN 606 00:16:26,884 --> 00:16:27,622 ANGELA MERKEL. 607 00:16:27,623 --> 00:16:31,481 LOOK, THE STANCE SHE TOOK IN 608 00:16:31,483 --> 00:16:33,382 EUROPE RELATIVE TO IMMIGRATION 609 00:16:33,383 --> 00:16:35,064 AND THE ENORMOUS POLITICAL COST 610 00:16:35,066 --> 00:16:36,349 SHE PAID FOR THAT. 611 00:16:36,383 --> 00:16:38,094 AND, YET, THERE WAS SOMETHING 612 00:16:38,128 --> 00:16:40,950 INSIDE HER THAT SAID, LOOK, I’M 613 00:16:40,984 --> 00:16:43,371 NOT GOING TO SIMPLY ABANDON A 614 00:16:43,372 --> 00:16:44,628 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE IN 615 00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:45,797 DSPERATE NEED. 616 00:16:45,831 --> 00:16:50,802 YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THAT IN 617 00:16:50,804 --> 00:16:55,174 SOMEBODY, AND YOU SAY... IT-- IT 618 00:16:55,175 --> 00:16:58,932 ENCOURAGES YOU THAT FOR ALL THE 619 00:16:58,966 --> 00:17:00,486 CRUELTY AND VENALITY AND 620 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,251 CORRUPTION AROUND THE WORLD, 621 00:17:02,252 --> 00:17:04,405 THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE 622 00:17:04,406 --> 00:17:05,537 DOING GOOD WORK. 623 00:17:05,572 --> 00:17:08,188 AND SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY RISE 624 00:17:08,222 --> 00:17:10,407 TO SIGNIFICANT POSITIONS OF 625 00:17:10,409 --> 00:17:12,784 POWER, AND IN THAT SENSE, 626 00:17:12,785 --> 00:17:16,326 DEMOCRACY CAN WORK THE WAY IT’S 627 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:18,492 SUPPOSED TO IF WE HAVE A 628 00:17:18,494 --> 00:17:20,108 VIGILANT CITIZENRY, AND THAT’S 629 00:17:20,110 --> 00:17:21,037 NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. 630 00:17:21,038 --> 00:17:21,910 Trevor: all right, don’t 631 00:17:21,944 --> 00:17:22,868 go away. 632 00:17:22,869 --> 00:17:24,655 WHEN WE COME BACK, I SPEND MORE 633 00:17:24,656 --> 00:17:27,377 TIME WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HE 634 00:17:27,410 --> 00:17:28,824 TELLS ME THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE 635 00:17:28,858 --> 00:17:30,426 OF HIS PRESIDENCY. STAY TUNED. 636 00:17:32,819 --> 00:17:33,628 Trevor: back back to "The 637 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:34,709 Daily Social Distancing Show." 638 00:17:34,711 --> 00:17:36,193 HERE IS MORE OF MY CONVERSATION 639 00:17:36,195 --> 00:17:37,689 WITH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. 640 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:39,754 WE TALKED ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND 641 00:17:39,755 --> 00:17:41,845 WHAT HE WRESTLED WITH THE MOST 642 00:17:41,846 --> 00:17:42,820 AS PRESIDENT. 643 00:17:42,821 --> 00:17:44,355 YOU STARTED LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS, 644 00:17:44,356 --> 00:17:46,636 NOT JUST IN SOUTH AFRICA BUT ALL 645 00:17:46,670 --> 00:17:47,580 OVER THE WORLD. 646 00:17:47,614 --> 00:17:49,127 THE OBAMA FOUNDATION HAS SET 647 00:17:49,128 --> 00:17:50,733 ABOUT ON A JOURNEY TO INSPIRE 648 00:17:50,735 --> 00:17:51,765 YOUNG PEOPLE TO GROW UP TO 649 00:17:51,766 --> 00:17:52,575 BECOME LEADERS. 650 00:17:52,609 --> 00:17:54,857 GROWING UP IN SOUTH AFRICA, I 651 00:17:54,891 --> 00:17:55,972 WAS TAUGHT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT 652 00:17:56,006 --> 00:17:57,041 LEVELS OF WHAT A STRUGGLE IS 653 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,240 GOING TO BE. 654 00:17:58,241 --> 00:17:59,973 YOU KNOW, THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS 655 00:17:59,974 --> 00:18:02,257 MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE BEST 656 00:18:02,258 --> 00:18:02,574 POLITICIANS. 657 00:18:02,608 --> 00:18:04,403 THE BEST POLITICIANS MAY NOT 658 00:18:04,437 --> 00:18:05,862 NECESSARILY BE THE BEST LEADERS. 659 00:18:05,863 --> 00:18:07,456 THE BEST ACTIVISTS MAY NOT BE 660 00:18:07,457 --> 00:18:08,468 THE BEST ORGANIZERS AND SO ON 661 00:18:08,469 --> 00:18:09,970 AND SO FORTH. 662 00:18:09,971 --> 00:18:12,412 EVERYONE HAS A ROLE TO PLAY IN 663 00:18:12,413 --> 00:18:13,563 TRYING TO GET TO A CERTAIN 664 00:18:13,564 --> 00:18:13,999 PLACE. 665 00:18:14,001 --> 00:18:17,679 I WONDER, WHEN YOU SET UP THIS 666 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,763 LEADERSHIP ACADEMY THAT’S ALL 667 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:21,833 OVER THE GLOBE, YOU’RE CLEARLY 668 00:18:21,834 --> 00:18:23,502 TRYING TO CREATE MANY OBAMAS 669 00:18:23,503 --> 00:18:24,414 EVERYWHERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY A 670 00:18:24,415 --> 00:18:26,076 FEVER DREAM OF THE RIGHT. 671 00:18:26,077 --> 00:18:27,693 BUT WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO DO IS 672 00:18:27,695 --> 00:18:28,359 CREATE SOMETHING SPECIFIC. 673 00:18:28,393 --> 00:18:29,861 AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT 674 00:18:29,862 --> 00:18:30,400 THAT IS. 675 00:18:30,435 --> 00:18:32,241 WHAT DO YOU-- WHAT DO YOU 676 00:18:32,242 --> 00:18:33,474 BELIEVE A LEADER IS-- NOT JUST 677 00:18:33,475 --> 00:18:34,010 SOMEBODY WHO? 678 00:18:34,044 --> 00:18:35,842 POWER BUT A LEADER? 679 00:18:35,876 --> 00:18:38,117 THE PROGRAM WE DID IN 680 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:41,098 JOHANNAS BERG, WE GATHERED UP 681 00:18:41,099 --> 00:18:43,337 200 YOUNG LEADERS FROM 50 682 00:18:43,338 --> 00:18:44,901 COUNTRIES ON THE CONTINENT OF 683 00:18:44,902 --> 00:18:45,491 AFRICA. 684 00:18:45,493 --> 00:18:49,597 AND IT WAS AS VARIED-- YOU HAD 685 00:18:49,598 --> 00:18:51,051 YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAD STARTED 686 00:18:51,085 --> 00:18:53,484 RURAL HEALTH CLINICS. 687 00:18:53,485 --> 00:18:55,893 Trevor: yeah. 688 00:18:55,894 --> 00:18:58,676 YOU HAD M.P.s WHO HAD TAKEN 689 00:18:58,711 --> 00:19:01,878 A MORE CONVENTIONAL POLITICAL 690 00:19:01,879 --> 00:19:02,317 ROUTE. 691 00:19:02,318 --> 00:19:03,547 YOU HAD ENTREPRENEURS. 692 00:19:03,548 --> 00:19:07,124 THE THING THEY ALL IN COMMON, 693 00:19:07,125 --> 00:19:09,119 THOUGH, WAS THIS-- THIS SENSE 694 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:10,918 NOT ONLY THAT THE WORLD COULD BE 695 00:19:10,919 --> 00:19:13,653 BETTER AND THAT THEY HAD A ROLE 696 00:19:13,654 --> 00:19:15,918 TO PLAY IN IT, BUT ALSO THE 697 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,856 BELIEF THAT THEY COULDN’T DO IT 698 00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:20,103 BY THEMSELVES, AND THAT THEY HAD 699 00:19:20,104 --> 00:19:22,098 TO IN SOME WAYS UNLOCK THE 700 00:19:22,099 --> 00:19:23,032 POTENTIAL AND POWER OF OTHER 701 00:19:23,067 --> 00:19:23,665 PEOPLE. 702 00:19:23,699 --> 00:19:25,958 A SPEECH I GAVE IN JOHANNESBURG 703 00:19:25,959 --> 00:19:27,987 IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT-- IT 704 00:19:27,988 --> 00:19:30,946 WAS FOR THE ANNIVERSARY OF 705 00:19:30,947 --> 00:19:32,442 MANDELA’S 100th 706 00:19:32,444 --> 00:19:35,643 ANNIVERSARY-- WHERE I-- I 707 00:19:35,644 --> 00:19:38,117 CONTRASTED THAT SORT OF 708 00:19:38,118 --> 00:19:39,700 DEMOCRATIC INCLUSIVE LEADERSHIP 709 00:19:39,734 --> 00:19:42,177 TO THE STRONGMAN LEADERSHIP THAT 710 00:19:42,212 --> 00:19:44,505 IN SOME WAYS WE’VE SEEN 711 00:19:44,506 --> 00:19:47,837 ASCENDANT IN CERTAIN PARTS OF 712 00:19:47,871 --> 00:19:51,146 THE WORLD, IN SOME WAYS WAS 713 00:19:51,181 --> 00:19:52,612 ASCENDANT HERE IN THE UNITED 714 00:19:52,647 --> 00:19:53,150 STATES. 715 00:19:53,184 --> 00:19:56,507 AND THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT 716 00:19:56,508 --> 00:19:59,289 STORIES OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A 717 00:19:59,324 --> 00:19:59,862 LEADER. 718 00:19:59,896 --> 00:20:01,172 AND POWER. 719 00:20:01,173 --> 00:20:04,887 AND THAT CONFLICT, THAT BATTLE 720 00:20:04,888 --> 00:20:08,984 BETWEEN A MORE DEMOCRATIC, 721 00:20:08,985 --> 00:20:13,289 INCLUSIVE VISION, AND ONE THAT’S 722 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:14,688 TOP-DOWN, DOMINANT SUBORDINATE, 723 00:20:14,723 --> 00:20:15,893 THAT’S A CONTEST TAKING PLACE 724 00:20:15,928 --> 00:20:17,092 HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND 725 00:20:17,093 --> 00:20:17,772 AROUND THE WORLD. 726 00:20:17,806 --> 00:20:19,618 IT’S NOT GOING TO BE FINISHED 727 00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:21,287 JUST BECAUSE THE ELECTION’S OVER 728 00:20:21,321 --> 00:20:22,906 AND DONALD TRUMP WAS DEFEATED, 729 00:20:22,907 --> 00:20:26,020 BECAUSE YOU SEE EXAMPLES OF THIS 730 00:20:26,054 --> 00:20:29,027 IN THE FILL BEANS, IN HUNGARY, 731 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,004 IN A VARIETY OF COUNTRIES-- IN 732 00:20:31,038 --> 00:20:32,479 AFRICA AND ASIA. 733 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,398 AND SO THAT CONTEST IS GOING TO 734 00:20:34,432 --> 00:20:34,737 CONTINUE. 735 00:20:34,738 --> 00:20:35,685 Trevor: what I find 736 00:20:35,686 --> 00:20:36,404 fascinating about the 737 00:20:36,405 --> 00:20:37,382 conversation that a lot of 738 00:20:37,383 --> 00:20:38,500 Americans are having now-- and 739 00:20:38,534 --> 00:20:41,553 you talk about this in the book 740 00:20:41,587 --> 00:20:43,258 as well-- is how America’s 741 00:20:43,292 --> 00:20:44,783 influence in the world has 742 00:20:44,817 --> 00:20:45,881 diminished over the past few 743 00:20:45,882 --> 00:20:47,381 years, you know, how countries 744 00:20:47,382 --> 00:20:48,959 around the world have no longer 745 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,348 said, "what is America doing? 746 00:20:50,383 --> 00:20:51,951 WE’RE WORK WITH THEM." 747 00:20:51,985 --> 00:20:53,624 IT’S BEEN MORE LIKE, "NO, GUYS. 748 00:20:53,658 --> 00:20:55,401 WE CAN’T WAIT FOR AMERICA. 749 00:20:55,435 --> 00:20:56,657 WE’RE DOING OUR OWN THING." 750 00:20:56,658 --> 00:20:57,963 BUT I WONDER, AS SOMEBODY WHO 751 00:20:57,964 --> 00:20:59,524 HAS GROWN UP IN OTHER PARTS OF 752 00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:00,704 THE WORLD, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS 753 00:21:00,706 --> 00:21:01,977 FAMILY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE 754 00:21:02,011 --> 00:21:03,212 WORLD, IS THERE AN ARGUMENT THAT 755 00:21:03,214 --> 00:21:05,203 MAYBE THAT’S A GOOD THING THAT 756 00:21:05,204 --> 00:21:06,170 THE WORLD DOESN’T FOLLOW AMERICA 757 00:21:06,204 --> 00:21:06,511 ANYMORE? 758 00:21:06,545 --> 00:21:07,917 OR WHAT WOULD THE INVERSE OF 759 00:21:07,951 --> 00:21:09,234 THAT ARGUMENT BE? 760 00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:10,419 LIKE, SHOULD THE WORLD FOLLOW 761 00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:10,696 AMERICA? 762 00:21:10,697 --> 00:21:13,347 OR IS IT TIME FOR THE WORLD TO 763 00:21:13,348 --> 00:21:15,923 START DOING ITS OWN THING AND 764 00:21:15,924 --> 00:21:17,327 AMERICA TO BE LESS THE WORLD 765 00:21:17,329 --> 00:21:17,771 POLICE? 766 00:21:17,772 --> 00:21:21,767 I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING 767 00:21:21,769 --> 00:21:23,546 THAT OTHER COUNTRIES CATCH UP 768 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:25,742 AND HAVE THEIR OWN CAPABILITIES 769 00:21:25,776 --> 00:21:27,589 AND THEIR OWN AGENCY. 770 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:29,566 THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT I 771 00:21:29,567 --> 00:21:31,944 THINK AMERICA SHOULD FEAR. 772 00:21:31,945 --> 00:21:35,202 MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT EVEN 773 00:21:35,203 --> 00:21:37,978 IN A MORE MULTIPOLAR WORLD WHERE 774 00:21:37,979 --> 00:21:40,018 YOU DON’T HAVE JUST ONE BIG 775 00:21:40,019 --> 00:21:42,364 POWER BUT YOU HAVE OTHER 776 00:21:42,365 --> 00:21:45,081 COUNTRIES WHO ARE COMING INTO 777 00:21:45,083 --> 00:21:49,391 THEIR OWN, THE PRINCIPLES THAT 778 00:21:49,392 --> 00:21:52,364 AMERICA ARTICULATED AT ITS BEST 779 00:21:52,365 --> 00:21:54,619 ABOUT RULE OF LAW, HUMAN RIGHTS, 780 00:21:54,654 --> 00:21:56,047 FREEDOM OF SPEECH, DEMOCRACY-- 781 00:21:56,081 --> 00:21:59,323 THOSE VALUES, AT LEAST I CHOOSE 782 00:21:59,357 --> 00:22:00,958 TO BELIEVE, ARE NOT EXCLUSIVELY 783 00:22:00,992 --> 00:22:01,466 AMERICAN. 784 00:22:01,501 --> 00:22:04,395 YOU, AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVED IN 785 00:22:04,429 --> 00:22:06,503 SOUTH AFRICA KNOW THE PLAY IN 786 00:22:06,504 --> 00:22:08,843 OTHER COUNTRIES SOMETIMES YOU 787 00:22:08,844 --> 00:22:10,990 HEAR WHERE SOMEBODY WHO IS DOING 788 00:22:11,025 --> 00:22:13,976 SOMETHING ENTIRELY FOR POWER AND 789 00:22:14,011 --> 00:22:15,982 MONEY AND INFLUENCE WILL SAY-- 790 00:22:15,983 --> 00:22:17,645 I THEY’RE CRITICIZING-- SAY, 791 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,225 "YOU’VE BEEN JUST INFLUENCED BY 792 00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:20,859 WESTERN THINKING. 793 00:22:20,860 --> 00:22:22,136 THAT’S COLONIAL THINKING." 794 00:22:22,171 --> 00:22:23,701 NO, NO, NO, NO. 795 00:22:23,735 --> 00:22:24,896 YOU ARE STEALING FROM YOUR 796 00:22:24,897 --> 00:22:25,449 PEOPLE. 797 00:22:25,483 --> 00:22:28,939 DON’T-- AND WHEN WE CRITICIZE 798 00:22:28,974 --> 00:22:34,140 YOU, DON’T CLAIM THAT SOMEHOW 799 00:22:34,142 --> 00:22:37,392 THIS IS SOME AMERICAN HEGEMONY 800 00:22:37,393 --> 00:22:38,841 BEING ASSERTED AGAINST YOU. 801 00:22:38,842 --> 00:22:40,406 WE’RE CALLING YOU ON THE FACT 802 00:22:40,408 --> 00:22:43,179 THAT YOU’RE A THIEF. 803 00:22:43,213 --> 00:22:47,249 I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR US TO 804 00:22:47,283 --> 00:22:50,099 RECOGNIZE THAT FOR ALL ITS 805 00:22:50,133 --> 00:22:51,765 FAILINGS, THE VALUES THAT 806 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,126 AMERICA IS OFTEN ARTICULATE ON 807 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,693 THE WORLD STAGE HAD BEEN ONES 808 00:22:54,727 --> 00:22:56,633 THAT I WOULD STILL BELIEVE IN 809 00:22:56,634 --> 00:22:58,277 AND THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TOOK 810 00:22:58,279 --> 00:22:59,253 COMFORT FROM. 811 00:22:59,254 --> 00:23:02,852 AND WHEN WE ARE NOT ASSERTING 812 00:23:02,853 --> 00:23:04,811 THEM, OFTENTIMES, THEY DON’T-- 813 00:23:04,845 --> 00:23:06,851 YOU KNOW, THEY DON’T PLAY OUT ON 814 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:07,747 THE WORLD STAGE. 815 00:23:07,748 --> 00:23:09,231 Trevor: I sometimes 816 00:23:09,232 --> 00:23:13,386 wondered if you ever grappled 817 00:23:13,387 --> 00:23:16,217 with the dichment of difficulty 818 00:23:16,218 --> 00:23:17,402 paradox of what America was 819 00:23:17,404 --> 00:23:18,973 trying to do in the world and 820 00:23:18,974 --> 00:23:20,017 what its actions were sometimes 821 00:23:20,018 --> 00:23:21,254 creating in the world. 822 00:23:21,255 --> 00:23:23,011 I THINK ABOUT THAT IN THE MIDDLE 823 00:23:23,012 --> 00:23:24,832 EAST, WARS THAT HAVE BEEN 824 00:23:24,866 --> 00:23:26,190 STARTED UNDER FALSE PRETENSES. 825 00:23:26,224 --> 00:23:27,992 PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED WHO 826 00:23:27,993 --> 00:23:30,091 HAD NOTHING TO-- AS SOMEONE WHO 827 00:23:30,125 --> 00:23:31,350 HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS AND 828 00:23:31,351 --> 00:23:32,754 SOMEONE WHO WAS IN THAT 829 00:23:32,788 --> 00:23:34,251 LEADERSHIP POSITION, DO YOU 830 00:23:34,252 --> 00:23:35,747 SOMETIMES GRAP WELHOW AMERICA 831 00:23:35,781 --> 00:23:37,524 DID OR DID NOT HELP ITSELF IN 832 00:23:37,526 --> 00:23:39,100 HOW IT ACTED WITH THE WORLD? 833 00:23:39,101 --> 00:23:40,599 BECAUSE, IN THE WORLD, I’LL TELL 834 00:23:40,633 --> 00:23:42,850 YOU AN AN INTERNATIONAL PERSON, 835 00:23:42,851 --> 00:23:44,606 WE WOULD OFTENTIMES GO, "MAN, 836 00:23:44,608 --> 00:23:46,693 YES, AMERICA IS GREAT AND DOING 837 00:23:46,694 --> 00:23:48,807 WONDERFUL THINGS, BUT ALSO, MAN, 838 00:23:48,809 --> 00:23:50,553 SOMETIMES THEY BREAK THE RULES 839 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:52,218 AND NO ONE CAN SAY ANYTHING 840 00:23:52,252 --> 00:23:52,847 ABOUT THAT." 841 00:23:52,882 --> 00:23:54,758 ABSOLUTE, AND I RECORD 842 00:23:54,792 --> 00:23:56,368 EXAMPLES IN THE BOOK OF WHERE 843 00:23:56,369 --> 00:23:57,541 I’M GRAPPLING WITH THIS. 844 00:23:57,575 --> 00:23:58,863 AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING 845 00:23:58,864 --> 00:24:00,309 CHALLENGES OF BEING PRESIDENT OF 846 00:24:00,310 --> 00:24:02,711 THE UNITED STATES, BUT I THINK 847 00:24:02,712 --> 00:24:05,714 BEING HEAD OF GOVERNMENT OR 848 00:24:05,715 --> 00:24:09,459 STATE IN ANY COUNTRY, IS YOU 849 00:24:09,494 --> 00:24:13,359 INHERIT A LEGACY, RIGHT. 850 00:24:13,393 --> 00:24:17,709 SO IF I COME IN AS PRESIDENT-- I 851 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:20,594 CAN’T UNDO THE IRAQ WAR, THE 852 00:24:20,596 --> 00:24:23,561 DECISION TO GO INTO IRAQ. 853 00:24:23,562 --> 00:24:27,639 NOW, I CAN MANAGE AS BEST I CAN 854 00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:29,776 HOW WE CAN WIND DOWN THAT WAR, 855 00:24:29,777 --> 00:24:31,713 MITIGATE SOME OF THE DAMAGE 856 00:24:31,747 --> 00:24:33,367 THAT’S BEEN DONE, BUT I CAN’T 857 00:24:33,401 --> 00:24:34,197 REVERSE IT. 858 00:24:34,199 --> 00:24:36,741 Trevor: did you ever-- did 859 00:24:36,776 --> 00:24:39,368 you ever envy, though, how trump 860 00:24:39,369 --> 00:24:40,764 came in and basically broke 861 00:24:40,798 --> 00:24:41,391 shit, though? 862 00:24:41,425 --> 00:24:42,968 BECAUSE HE DIDN’T CARE. 863 00:24:42,969 --> 00:24:45,428 NO, I DIDN’T ENVY IT BECAUSE 864 00:24:45,429 --> 00:24:46,793 I DO CARE. 865 00:24:46,827 --> 00:24:51,899 AND I DO NOT THINK THAT IS AN 866 00:24:51,934 --> 00:24:54,995 OPTION TO SIMPLY PRETEND THAT 867 00:24:54,996 --> 00:24:58,143 THE LEGACY OF PROBLEMS OR ISSUES 868 00:24:58,177 --> 00:25:01,119 THAT YOU INHERIT ARE SOMEHOW 869 00:25:01,154 --> 00:25:05,378 THINGS YOU CAN JUST BRUSH ASIDE. 870 00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:08,620 SO THE ANSWER IS, YES, I-- I 871 00:25:08,622 --> 00:25:10,449 WOULD STRUGGLE WITH THE FACT 872 00:25:10,484 --> 00:25:13,688 THAT ANY ACTION I TOOK, 873 00:25:13,690 --> 00:25:16,985 PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU’RE TALKING 874 00:25:17,019 --> 00:25:18,420 ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 875 00:25:18,422 --> 00:25:18,674 COUNTER-TERRORISM. 876 00:25:18,675 --> 00:25:21,339 Trevor: right. 877 00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:24,686 THAT’S PROBABLY THE AREA 878 00:25:24,688 --> 00:25:27,094 WHERE I WRESTLED WITH THIS MOST. 879 00:25:27,095 --> 00:25:28,391 MY OBLIGATION FIRST AND FOREMOST 880 00:25:28,392 --> 00:25:30,092 IN THE UNITED STATES WAS TO MAKE 881 00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:31,577 SURE PEOPLE DIDN’T GET HURT. 882 00:25:31,578 --> 00:25:33,236 THAT’S SORT OF THE BARE MINIMUM 883 00:25:33,237 --> 00:25:35,665 THAT YOU EXPECT OUT OF A NATION 884 00:25:35,666 --> 00:25:38,731 STATE THAT YOU’RE LIVING IN IS 885 00:25:38,732 --> 00:25:40,318 THAT YOU CAN DEFEND AGAINST 886 00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:40,827 HARM. 887 00:25:40,861 --> 00:25:42,213 BECAUSE YOU’RE DEALING WITH 888 00:25:42,247 --> 00:25:44,267 NONSTATE ACTORS, THAT MEANT BY 889 00:25:44,268 --> 00:25:49,071 THE TIME I TOOK OFFICE, YOU HAD 890 00:25:49,072 --> 00:25:51,648 NETWORKS THAT WERE EMBEDDED IN 891 00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:53,474 SOCIETIES, NOT NECESSARILY 892 00:25:53,475 --> 00:25:55,146 SUPPORTED BY THOSE SOCIETIES, 893 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:57,062 BUT THEY’RE THERE, AND THEY ARE 894 00:25:57,097 --> 00:25:58,962 PLOTTING AND THEY ARE PLANNING. 895 00:25:58,963 --> 00:26:00,487 AND THAT WASN’T MADE UP. 896 00:26:00,488 --> 00:26:01,844 AND THERE WERE ORGANIZATIONS 897 00:26:01,846 --> 00:26:04,195 THAT IF THEY COULD BLOW YOU WANT 898 00:26:04,196 --> 00:26:05,449 NEW YORK SUBWAY SYSTEM, THEY 899 00:26:05,451 --> 00:26:07,408 WOULD, IF THEY COULD GET THEIR 900 00:26:07,442 --> 00:26:09,645 HANDS ON A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON, 901 00:26:09,646 --> 00:26:12,998 THEY WOULD USE IT. 902 00:26:13,032 --> 00:26:16,820 YOU THEN ARE WRESTLING WITH HOW 903 00:26:16,821 --> 00:26:20,103 DO I PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 904 00:26:20,104 --> 00:26:23,336 FROM THOSE ACTORS, BUT DO IT IN 905 00:26:23,337 --> 00:26:25,920 A WAY THAT IS MORALLY AND 906 00:26:25,954 --> 00:26:26,398 ETHICALLY JUSTIFIES? 907 00:26:26,399 --> 00:26:28,195 Trevor: right. 908 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:30,984 AND WAR IS MADNESS. 909 00:26:30,985 --> 00:26:33,772 KINETIC ACTION OF ANY SORT, 910 00:26:33,806 --> 00:26:37,158 MILITARY ACTION OF ANY SORT THAT 911 00:26:37,159 --> 00:26:39,557 RESULTS IN DEATH AND DESTRUCTION 912 00:26:39,592 --> 00:26:43,280 AT A CERTAIN LEVEL IS NOT THE 913 00:26:43,314 --> 00:26:45,214 THING I WOULD WANT HUMANITY TO 914 00:26:45,215 --> 00:26:46,080 DO. 915 00:26:46,081 --> 00:26:48,695 AND WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE IS 916 00:26:48,728 --> 00:26:49,688 TRAGIC. 917 00:26:49,689 --> 00:26:53,033 IT IS NOT-- IT IS NOT SOMETHING 918 00:26:53,035 --> 00:26:54,443 YOU GLOSS OVER. 919 00:26:54,444 --> 00:26:56,498 WHAT-- WHAT IT DOES TO OUR 920 00:26:56,499 --> 00:26:57,655 SOLDIERS AND OUR TROOPS, YOU 921 00:26:57,689 --> 00:26:58,619 KNOW, AS I TALK ABOUT IN THE 922 00:26:58,621 --> 00:26:58,946 BOOK. 923 00:26:58,948 --> 00:27:01,289 IT’S NOT JUST THE HARM THAT OUR 924 00:27:01,323 --> 00:27:03,430 YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN SUFFERED-- 925 00:27:03,431 --> 00:27:05,597 AND I WOULD WITNESS IN WALTER 926 00:27:05,631 --> 00:27:07,848 REED-- BUT IT’S ALSO HOW IT 927 00:27:07,849 --> 00:27:09,952 CHANGES THEM INTERNALLY WHEN 928 00:27:09,987 --> 00:27:11,786 THEY HAVE ENGAGED IN VIOLENCE, 929 00:27:11,821 --> 00:27:12,995 EVEN IF NECESSARY AND JUSTIFIED 930 00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:13,414 AGAINST OTHERS. 931 00:27:13,415 --> 00:27:15,664 Trevor: right. 932 00:27:15,698 --> 00:27:20,869 SO THE BEST I COULD COME UP 933 00:27:20,904 --> 00:27:23,841 WITH WAS TO NEVER GLORIFY IT, TO 934 00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:25,664 NEVER PRETEND LIKE IT ISN’T A 935 00:27:25,665 --> 00:27:26,686 DILEMMA. 936 00:27:26,721 --> 00:27:31,839 AND SO THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS 937 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,367 I THINK ARE ONES THAT NOT ONLY 938 00:27:35,368 --> 00:27:37,030 SHOULD AMERICAN LEADERS HAVE TO 939 00:27:37,031 --> 00:27:39,230 GRAPPLE WITH, BUT I THINK THE 940 00:27:39,232 --> 00:27:40,400 AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO BE AWARE 941 00:27:40,401 --> 00:27:40,733 OF. 942 00:27:40,734 --> 00:27:42,145 AND SOMETIMES THE MEDIA DOES NOT 943 00:27:42,146 --> 00:27:44,502 DO A VERY GOOD JOB. 944 00:27:44,536 --> 00:27:46,325 IT’S A VERY BINARY-- YOU KNOW, 945 00:27:46,327 --> 00:27:47,808 THE IRAQ WAR, IT’S GLORIOUS FOR 946 00:27:47,842 --> 00:27:49,622 THE FIRST YEAR AND A HALF, AND 947 00:27:49,656 --> 00:27:50,768 THEN SUDDENLY, IT’S NOT. 948 00:27:50,770 --> 00:27:53,403 Trevor: yes, yes. 949 00:27:53,438 --> 00:27:56,812 AND WE’RE SHOCKED THAT US 950 00:27:56,846 --> 00:27:58,702 INVAGD ANOTHER COUNTRY MIGHT 951 00:27:58,737 --> 00:28:00,257 TURN OUT TO BE MESSY. 952 00:28:00,258 --> 00:28:02,499 HOPEFULLY, THAT’S NOT A LESSON 953 00:28:02,501 --> 00:28:04,773 WE HAVE TO REPEATEDLY RELEARN. 954 00:28:04,807 --> 00:28:06,621 Trevor: when we come back, 955 00:28:06,655 --> 00:28:08,595 President Obama talks about how 956 00:28:08,597 --> 00:28:09,928 he really feels about the black 957 00:28:09,929 --> 00:28:12,329 lives matter movement. STAY TUNED. 958 00:28:14,212 --> 00:28:14,616 "The Daily Social Distancing 959 00:28:14,618 --> 00:28:15,003 Show." 960 00:28:15,037 --> 00:28:16,383 HERE IS MORE OF MY CONVERSATION 961 00:28:16,417 --> 00:28:17,297 WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA. 962 00:28:17,331 --> 00:28:19,222 HE TOLD ME HOW HE WOULD TALK 963 00:28:19,224 --> 00:28:20,551 ABOUT POLICE REFORM WITH WHITE 964 00:28:20,586 --> 00:28:22,682 FOLKS AND WITH PEOPLE LIKE 965 00:28:22,684 --> 00:28:23,918 MICHELLE’S MOM, AND WHY 966 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:25,962 PROGRESSIVES SHOULD AVOID TAKING 967 00:28:25,963 --> 00:28:29,598 CUES FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 968 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,293 2020 WAS A YEAR FOR MANY OF 969 00:28:32,327 --> 00:28:33,112 RACIAL RECKONING. 970 00:28:33,147 --> 00:28:35,358 IT WAS THE YEAR WHEN PEOPLE OF 971 00:28:35,393 --> 00:28:37,042 ALL AGES TO BE TO THE STREETS-- 972 00:28:37,043 --> 00:28:39,437 BLACK AND WHITE ALIKE-- AND SAID 973 00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:43,207 WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY THE 974 00:28:43,242 --> 00:28:45,167 POLICE DEAL WITH PEOPLE IN THIS 975 00:28:45,202 --> 00:28:46,242 COUNTRY, PREDOMINANTLY BLACK 976 00:28:46,243 --> 00:28:47,624 PEOPLE THIS THIS COUNTRY. 977 00:28:47,625 --> 00:28:48,765 IT WAS AN INTERESTING TIME AS 978 00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:49,432 WELL. 979 00:28:49,466 --> 00:28:51,312 YOUR PRESIDENCY, AS YOU KNOW, 980 00:28:51,346 --> 00:28:52,458 BETTER THAN EVERYONE, PEOPLE 981 00:28:52,492 --> 00:28:54,302 THOUGHT, THAT IS IT. 982 00:28:54,303 --> 00:28:55,543 WE’RE NOW IN A POST-RACIAL 983 00:28:55,545 --> 00:28:55,850 UTOPIA. 984 00:28:55,851 --> 00:28:56,880 BARACK OBAMA IS IN THE WHITE 985 00:28:56,915 --> 00:28:57,528 HOUSE. 986 00:28:57,529 --> 00:29:00,030 WE HAVE HALF BLARK HALF WHITE, 987 00:29:00,031 --> 00:29:01,664 LET’S HAVE A GOOD ONE. 988 00:29:01,699 --> 00:29:03,589 AND PEOPLE SAW THERE WAS A LOT 989 00:29:03,623 --> 00:29:04,707 OF WORK TO BE DONE. 990 00:29:04,708 --> 00:29:06,088 LET’S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 991 00:29:06,089 --> 00:29:07,518 THE MOVEMENT AS YOU SEE IT. 992 00:29:07,552 --> 00:29:08,777 THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH 993 00:29:08,812 --> 00:29:11,086 HEADLINES SOMETIMES IS PEOPLE 994 00:29:11,121 --> 00:29:13,301 TAKE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT, EBT. 995 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:13,580 ET 996 00:29:13,614 --> 00:29:14,182 CETERA. 997 00:29:14,216 --> 00:29:16,035 BUT SOME ACTIVISTS CRITICIZED 998 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:18,951 YOU FOR SAYING THEY HAVE TO BE 999 00:29:18,985 --> 00:29:20,735 CAREFUL OF SNAPPY SLOGANS LIKE 1000 00:29:20,769 --> 00:29:22,207 "DEFUND THE POLICE," BECAUSE IT 1001 00:29:22,208 --> 00:29:23,173 LOSES PEOPLE. 1002 00:29:23,174 --> 00:29:25,701 BUT I WONDER, DO YOU THINK THAT 1003 00:29:25,736 --> 00:29:28,324 THE SLOGAN IS-- IS THE THING 1004 00:29:28,358 --> 00:29:30,143 THAT MAKES PEOPLE FOR OR AGAINST 1005 00:29:30,177 --> 00:29:31,673 YOU, OR DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE 1006 00:29:31,707 --> 00:29:33,892 JUST GOING TO BE FOR OR AGAINST 1007 00:29:33,894 --> 00:29:35,737 YOU, AND THE SLOGAN DOESN’T 1008 00:29:35,739 --> 00:29:37,377 REALLY MEAN AS MUCH? 1009 00:29:37,378 --> 00:29:40,360 WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, LIKE DONALD 1010 00:29:40,362 --> 00:29:42,774 TRUMP’S "MAKE AMERICA GREAT 1011 00:29:42,775 --> 00:29:45,035 AGAIN IT’S IT’S NOT A VERY 1012 00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:46,123 DIVISIVE SLOGAN. 1013 00:29:46,157 --> 00:29:49,105 WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT WANT TO 1014 00:29:49,107 --> 00:29:50,754 MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. 1015 00:29:50,756 --> 00:29:52,958 AS SOMEONE WHO IS GREAT AT 1016 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:54,213 SLOGANS-- "YES, WE CAN." 1017 00:29:54,214 --> 00:29:54,600 IT’S SNAPPY. 1018 00:29:54,601 --> 00:29:55,321 IT WORKED. 1019 00:29:55,355 --> 00:29:56,928 AS I SAID IN THE BOOK I 1020 00:29:56,929 --> 00:29:58,347 ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WAS CORNY. 1021 00:29:58,381 --> 00:29:59,381 I DIDN’T LIKE IT THAT MUCH. 1022 00:29:59,383 --> 00:30:01,001 ( LAUGHTER ) 1023 00:30:01,002 --> 00:30:03,326 WHEN MY TEAM CAME UP WITH IT. 1024 00:30:03,361 --> 00:30:05,060 AND THEN THEY WENT TO ASK 1025 00:30:05,061 --> 00:30:06,224 MICHELLE, AND MICHELLE SAID, 1026 00:30:06,258 --> 00:30:07,517 "NO, IT’S NOT CORNY. 1027 00:30:07,551 --> 00:30:08,239 IT’S FINE." 1028 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,388 CLEARLY SHE HAD A BETTER 1029 00:30:10,423 --> 00:30:11,796 POLITICAL BRAIN THAN I DID ON 1030 00:30:11,798 --> 00:30:12,302 THIS. 1031 00:30:12,335 --> 00:30:14,927 I-- I’M GLAD YOU ACTUALLY 1032 00:30:14,962 --> 00:30:16,874 BROUGHT THIS UP. 1033 00:30:16,876 --> 00:30:18,734 BECAUSE WHAT’S BEEN FASCINATING 1034 00:30:18,768 --> 00:30:20,614 WHILE I’VE BEEN ON THIS BOOK 1035 00:30:20,615 --> 00:30:23,091 TOUR IS PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME 1036 00:30:23,126 --> 00:30:25,021 WHAT’S MY SOURCE OF OPTIMISM? 1037 00:30:25,022 --> 00:30:27,130 AND UNIFORMLY WHAT I HAVE SAID 1038 00:30:27,132 --> 00:30:29,651 IS NOTHING MADE ME MORE OPT MISH 1039 00:30:29,686 --> 00:30:31,974 DURING A VERY DIFFICULT YEAR 1040 00:30:32,008 --> 00:30:34,852 THAN THE ACTIVISM THAT WE SAW IN 1041 00:30:34,854 --> 00:30:35,955 THE WAKE OF GEORGE FLOYD’S 1042 00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:36,161 MURDER. 1043 00:30:36,162 --> 00:30:37,330 Trevor: right. 1044 00:30:37,365 --> 00:30:42,840 AND BLACK LIVES MATTER. 1045 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:49,134 AND I HAVE CONSISTENTLY BELIEVED 1046 00:30:49,135 --> 00:30:52,970 THAT THEIR COURAGE, ACTIVISM, 1047 00:30:52,971 --> 00:30:55,238 MEDIA SAVVY, STRATEGIC RESOLVE 1048 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,062 FAR EXEDZ ANYTHING THEY COULD 1049 00:30:57,097 --> 00:30:59,767 HAVE DONE AT THEIR AGE. 1050 00:30:59,802 --> 00:31:04,122 AND I THINK IT HAS SHIFTED THE 1051 00:31:04,123 --> 00:31:05,837 CONVERSATION IN WAYS THAT I 1052 00:31:05,838 --> 00:31:08,111 WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE IMAGINED A 1053 00:31:08,112 --> 00:31:11,431 COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 1054 00:31:11,432 --> 00:31:14,416 SO THROUGHOUT THIS SLEW OF 1055 00:31:14,418 --> 00:31:16,454 COMPLIMENTS, I THEN SAID, "WELL, 1056 00:31:16,456 --> 00:31:20,692 WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE 1057 00:31:20,726 --> 00:31:22,194 PARTICULAR SLOGAN ’DEFUND THE 1058 00:31:22,229 --> 00:31:22,600 POLICE’?" 1059 00:31:22,635 --> 00:31:24,791 AND I SAID, WELL, THAT 1060 00:31:24,825 --> 00:31:26,447 PARTICULAR SLOGAN, I THINK THE 1061 00:31:26,448 --> 00:31:28,043 CONCERN IS THAT THERE MAY BE 1062 00:31:28,078 --> 00:31:31,554 POTENTIAL ALLIES OUT THERE THAT 1063 00:31:31,588 --> 00:31:37,153 YOU LOSE, AND THE ISSUE ALWAYS 1064 00:31:37,155 --> 00:31:40,299 IS HOW DO YOU GET ENOUGH PEOPLE 1065 00:31:40,334 --> 00:31:42,517 SOSUPPORT YOUR CAUSE THAT YOU 1066 00:31:42,551 --> 00:31:45,436 CAN ACTUALLY INSTITUTIONALIZE IT 1067 00:31:45,438 --> 00:31:47,154 AND TRANSLATE IT INTO LAWS 1068 00:31:47,155 --> 00:31:48,082 STRUCTURURES, AND SO FORTH. 1069 00:31:48,116 --> 00:31:49,279 Trevor: right. 1070 00:31:49,314 --> 00:31:52,191 THERE WERE TWO OR THREE 1071 00:31:52,226 --> 00:31:54,964 WRITERS, WHO I ADMIRE, WHO BROT, 1072 00:31:54,965 --> 00:31:57,029 "OBAMA’S MAKING IT A MISSION TO 1073 00:31:57,064 --> 00:31:58,749 CHASTISE BLACK LIVES MATTER." 1074 00:31:58,783 --> 00:32:00,372 AND YOU’RE LIKE, WAIT, HOLD ON A 1075 00:32:00,406 --> 00:32:01,285 SECOND. 1076 00:32:01,286 --> 00:32:03,919 I JUST SPENT THE WHOLE SUMMER 1077 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,674 COMPLIMENTING THEM. 1078 00:32:04,708 --> 00:32:06,131 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?" 1079 00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:08,170 THE REASON IT CAUGHT ATTENTION, 1080 00:32:08,204 --> 00:32:10,351 I SUSPECT, IS THERE WERE SOME IN 1081 00:32:10,352 --> 00:32:12,392 THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO 1082 00:32:12,393 --> 00:32:15,653 SUGGESTED THE REASON WE DIDN’T 1083 00:32:15,687 --> 00:32:17,080 COBETTER IN THE CONGRESSIONAL 1084 00:32:17,081 --> 00:32:19,075 ELECTIONS THIS TIME AROUND WAS 1085 00:32:19,076 --> 00:32:19,947 BECAUSE OF THIS PHRASE. 1086 00:32:19,948 --> 00:32:20,711 Trevor: right. 1087 00:32:20,712 --> 00:32:22,263 AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE 1088 00:32:22,298 --> 00:32:24,018 ASSUMED THAT SOMEHOW I WAS 1089 00:32:24,019 --> 00:32:26,860 MAKING AN ARGUMENT THAT THAT’S 1090 00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:29,179 WHY WE DIDN’T GET, YOU KNOW, A 1091 00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:30,466 BIGGER DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY. 1092 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:31,902 THAT ACTUALLY WAS NOT THE POINT 1093 00:32:31,903 --> 00:32:33,178 I WAS MAKING. 1094 00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:37,154 I WAS MAKING A VERY PARTICULAR 1095 00:32:37,189 --> 00:32:41,828 POINT AROUND IF WE IN FACT WANT 1096 00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:45,165 TO TRANSLATE THE-- THE VERY 1097 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,790 LEGITIMATE BELIEF THAT HOW WE DO 1098 00:32:47,791 --> 00:32:51,140 POLICING NEEDS TO CHANGE AND 1099 00:32:51,174 --> 00:32:53,843 THAT IF THERE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, A 1100 00:32:53,844 --> 00:32:58,075 HOMELESS GUY RANTING AND RAILING 1101 00:32:58,077 --> 00:33:01,493 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, 1102 00:33:01,494 --> 00:33:03,532 SENDING A MENTAL HEALTH WORKER, 1103 00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:05,725 RATHER THAN AN ARMED, UNTRAINED 1104 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,640 POLICE OFFICER, TO DEAL WITH 1105 00:33:07,674 --> 00:33:09,411 THAT PERSON MIGHT BE A BETTER 1106 00:33:09,412 --> 00:33:15,192 OUTCOME FOR ALL OF US AND MAKE 1107 00:33:15,193 --> 00:33:17,132 US SAFER, RIGHT. 1108 00:33:17,166 --> 00:33:21,655 IF WE DESCRIBE THAT TO NOT JUST 1109 00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:23,833 WHITE FOLKS BUT LET’S SAY 1110 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:25,250 MICHELLE’S MOM, THAT MAKES SENSE 1111 00:33:25,284 --> 00:33:26,313 TO THEM. 1112 00:33:26,348 --> 00:33:28,664 BUT IF WE SAY, "DEFUND THE 1113 00:33:28,699 --> 00:33:30,585 POLICE," NOT JUST WHITE FOLKS, 1114 00:33:30,586 --> 00:33:32,387 BUT MICHELLE’S MOM, MIGHT SAY, 1115 00:33:32,388 --> 00:33:35,302 "IF I’M GETTING ROBBED, WHO AM I 1116 00:33:35,303 --> 00:33:38,066 GOING TO CALL, AND IS SOMEBODY 1117 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:39,095 GOING TO SHOW UP?" 1118 00:33:39,097 --> 00:33:39,306 RIGHT. 1119 00:33:39,307 --> 00:33:40,529 Trevor: right. 1120 00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:43,210 SO THE ISSUE HERE BECOMES AT 1121 00:33:43,211 --> 00:33:46,073 ANY GIVEN TIME HOW ARE WE 1122 00:33:46,075 --> 00:33:48,517 TRANSLATING AND USING LANGUAGE 1123 00:33:48,551 --> 00:33:51,145 NOT TO MAKE PEOPLE MORE 1124 00:33:51,179 --> 00:33:52,364 COMORTABLE-- QUOTE, UNQUOTE-- 1125 00:33:52,398 --> 00:33:53,070 RIGHT. 1126 00:33:53,105 --> 00:33:55,434 BECAUSE THAT’S ALWAYS A STRAIN 1127 00:33:55,468 --> 00:33:56,043 HISTORICALLY. 1128 00:33:56,045 --> 00:33:58,931 THE CONCERN IN THESE DEBATES IS 1129 00:33:58,933 --> 00:34:02,118 ALSO-- IS OFTEN, "OH, ARE WE 1130 00:34:02,152 --> 00:34:04,172 JUST TRYING TO MAKE WHITE PEOPLE 1131 00:34:04,173 --> 00:34:05,827 COMFORTABLE RATHER THAN SPEAKING 1132 00:34:05,829 --> 00:34:06,531 TRUTH TO POWER?" 1133 00:34:06,532 --> 00:34:06,885 RIGHT? 1134 00:34:06,887 --> 00:34:08,284 THAT’S THE FRAMEWORK WE TEND TO 1135 00:34:08,285 --> 00:34:08,987 THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS. 1136 00:34:08,988 --> 00:34:10,101 Trevor: right. 1137 00:34:10,102 --> 00:34:12,396 THE ISSUE TO ME IS NOT MAKING 1138 00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:13,116 THEM COMFORTABLE. 1139 00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:15,696 IT IS CAN WE BE PRECISE WITH OUR 1140 00:34:15,697 --> 00:34:17,950 LANGUAGE ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE WHO 1141 00:34:17,984 --> 00:34:19,780 MIGHT BE PERSUADED AROUND THAT 1142 00:34:19,782 --> 00:34:21,680 PARTICULAR ISSUE TO MAKE A 1143 00:34:21,715 --> 00:34:23,026 PARTICULAR CHANGE THAT GETS A 1144 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:25,404 PARTICULAR RESULT THAT WE WANT, 1145 00:34:25,438 --> 00:34:27,415 WHAT’S THE BEST WAY FOR US TO 1146 00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:28,403 DESCRIBE THAT? 1147 00:34:28,438 --> 00:34:30,728 Trevor: so what you’re 1148 00:34:30,729 --> 00:34:33,079 basically saying is we should 1149 00:34:33,113 --> 00:34:34,646 workshop all of our slogans with 1150 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,012 Michelle. 1151 00:34:35,013 --> 00:34:36,679 THAT’S WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING. 1152 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,205 THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE WISE. 1153 00:34:38,206 --> 00:34:38,941 IT WOULD PROBABLY WORK. 1154 00:34:38,975 --> 00:34:40,249 BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO 1155 00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:41,561 SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER WHICH 1156 00:34:41,562 --> 00:34:43,501 I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 1157 00:34:43,536 --> 00:34:47,336 AND I-- I SAID THIS IN THE WAKE 1158 00:34:47,337 --> 00:34:49,493 OF SOME OF THIS CRITICISM. 1159 00:34:49,527 --> 00:34:51,412 I SAID, LOOK, PART OF THIS IS 1160 00:34:51,446 --> 00:34:53,082 ALSO EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT 1161 00:34:53,083 --> 00:34:55,494 ROLES TO PLAY. 1162 00:34:55,529 --> 00:35:00,146 AN ACTIVIST, A MOVEMENT LEADER 1163 00:35:00,148 --> 00:35:03,224 IS GOING TO PROVIDE A PROPHETIC 1164 00:35:03,259 --> 00:35:06,000 VOICE, AND SPEAK CERTAIN TRUTHS 1165 00:35:06,035 --> 00:35:08,528 THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO BE 1166 00:35:08,563 --> 00:35:11,984 ELECTED INTO OFFICE WILL NOT BE 1167 00:35:12,019 --> 00:35:13,547 ABLE TO SAY. 1168 00:35:13,548 --> 00:35:16,262 I RE-READ JAMES BALDWIN’S "A 1169 00:35:16,297 --> 00:35:18,270 FIRE NEXT TIME" THIS SUMMER. 1170 00:35:18,271 --> 00:35:20,317 HOW IS IT THAT SOMETHING WRITTEN 1171 00:35:20,351 --> 00:35:22,573 50 YEARS AGO, 55 YEARS AGO... 1172 00:35:22,607 --> 00:35:23,449 Trevor: right, yeah, 1173 00:35:23,484 --> 00:35:24,331 Germany. 1174 00:35:24,365 --> 00:35:26,964 ...APPLIES DIRECTLY TODAY, 1175 00:35:26,965 --> 00:35:29,365 RIGHT, DESPITE EVERYTHING THAT’S 1176 00:35:29,366 --> 00:35:30,439 HAPPENED? 1177 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,327 TO ME, THAT IS AS SEARING AND AS 1178 00:35:35,361 --> 00:35:39,763 HONEST A PORTRAYAL OF THE GAPING 1179 00:35:39,797 --> 00:35:42,841 WOUND OF RACE IN AMERICA. 1180 00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:46,097 BUT, OF COURSE, JAMES BALDWIN 1181 00:35:46,131 --> 00:35:48,556 CAN’T BE ELECTED TO THE U.S. 1182 00:35:48,590 --> 00:35:50,535 SENATE OR UNLIKELY THAT HE WOULD 1183 00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:53,706 WANT TO BE THE MAYOR OF A CITY, 1184 00:35:53,707 --> 00:35:54,800 WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR FIGURINGUT 1185 00:35:54,801 --> 00:35:56,255 HOW I DO DEAL WITH THE POLICE 1186 00:35:56,256 --> 00:35:56,623 UNION? 1187 00:35:56,624 --> 00:35:58,185 THAT’S SOMEBODY ELSE’S ROLE. 1188 00:35:58,186 --> 00:35:59,282 AND ALL THESE ROLES ARE 1189 00:35:59,316 --> 00:35:59,688 IMPORTANT. 1190 00:35:59,689 --> 00:36:00,609 AND SO KNOW-- 1191 00:36:00,643 --> 00:36:02,510 Trevor: why do you think-- 1192 00:36:02,511 --> 00:36:04,966 if I may interrupt-- why do you 1193 00:36:04,967 --> 00:36:06,823 think, though, that republicans 1194 00:36:06,857 --> 00:36:08,109 or right-wingers now do that, 1195 00:36:08,143 --> 00:36:08,819 though? 1196 00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:11,187 THAT’S SOMETHING THAT I’VE 1197 00:36:11,188 --> 00:36:12,381 STRUGGLED TO UNDERSTAND. 1198 00:36:12,416 --> 00:36:15,869 YOU SEE NOW, EVEN IN THIS 1199 00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:18,128 ELECTION, I MEAN, SOME OF THE 1200 00:36:18,163 --> 00:36:19,836 REPUBLICANS WHO WERE RUNNING 1201 00:36:19,871 --> 00:36:21,249 WERE QANON, AND SOME OF THEM 1202 00:36:21,283 --> 00:36:21,950 WERE WINNING. 1203 00:36:21,951 --> 00:36:23,498 SOME OF THEM WERE SO EXTREME AND 1204 00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:24,294 THEY’RE WINNING. 1205 00:36:24,295 --> 00:36:25,603 I SOMETIMES WONDER IF THERE’S 1206 00:36:25,604 --> 00:36:26,728 THIS-- IS IT JUST A POLITICAL 1207 00:36:26,729 --> 00:36:28,504 THING IN AMERICA WHERE IF YOU’RE 1208 00:36:28,505 --> 00:36:32,051 IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU CAN 1209 00:36:32,053 --> 00:36:34,202 BE COMPLETELY BOMBASTIC IN WHAT 1210 00:36:34,237 --> 00:36:36,017 YOU BELIEVE IN, AND THEN AS A 1211 00:36:36,052 --> 00:36:38,307 DEMOCRAT YOU’RE TRYING TO TOE 1212 00:36:38,308 --> 00:36:39,742 THE LINE BETWEEN CENTRIST AND 1213 00:36:39,777 --> 00:36:40,245 LEFT LEANING? 1214 00:36:40,279 --> 00:36:40,973 OR-- 1215 00:36:40,974 --> 00:36:44,404 WELL, BECAUSE I THINK IN FACT 1216 00:36:44,439 --> 00:36:46,897 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THE 1217 00:36:46,899 --> 00:36:48,615 MINORITY PARTY IN THIS COUNTRY. 1218 00:36:48,616 --> 00:36:50,497 THE ONLY REASON THAT IT DOESN’T 1219 00:36:50,531 --> 00:36:51,720 LOOK LIKE THEY’RE THE MINORITY 1220 00:36:51,721 --> 00:36:54,916 PARTY IS BECAUSE OF STRUCTURES 1221 00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:57,020 LIKE THE U.S. SENATE AND THE 1222 00:36:57,054 --> 00:36:59,435 ELECTORAL COLLEGE THAT DON’T 1223 00:36:59,436 --> 00:37:01,829 RENDER THEM THE MAJORITY PARTY. 1224 00:37:01,830 --> 00:37:03,842 SO THEY HAVE CERTAIN BUILT-IN 1225 00:37:03,876 --> 00:37:05,409 ADVANTAGES AROUND POWER GIVEN 1226 00:37:05,443 --> 00:37:07,200 THEIR POPULATION DISTRIBUTION 1227 00:37:07,201 --> 00:37:09,043 AND HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS. 1228 00:37:09,044 --> 00:37:12,202 BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS 1229 00:37:12,236 --> 00:37:16,041 THAT 60% OF THE PEOPLE ARE 1230 00:37:16,075 --> 00:37:19,076 OCCUPYING WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER 1231 00:37:19,077 --> 00:37:21,059 A MORE REALITY-BASED UNIVERSE, 1232 00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:23,825 AND THOSE ARE THE-- THOSE ARE 1233 00:37:23,827 --> 00:37:24,760 THE CONSTITUENTS WE’RE SPEAKING 1234 00:37:24,795 --> 00:37:25,691 TO. 1235 00:37:25,726 --> 00:37:28,021 AND THAT IS A MORE-DIVERSE 1236 00:37:28,023 --> 00:37:28,729 GROUP. 1237 00:37:28,731 --> 00:37:31,083 YOU KNOW, I DESCRIBE-- IN THE 1238 00:37:31,084 --> 00:37:33,004 BOOK, THE FIRST TIME I GO TO 1239 00:37:33,005 --> 00:37:35,307 THE-- TO THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE 1240 00:37:35,309 --> 00:37:37,771 CAUCUS TO SPEAK TO THEM. 1241 00:37:37,773 --> 00:37:40,389 AND I THINK THERE WAS AN ASIAN 1242 00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:45,430 GUY, OR GAL, AND MAYBE A COUPLE 1243 00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:49,084 OF HISPANICS, AND THAT WAS IT. 1244 00:37:49,086 --> 00:37:51,246 IT IS MUCH MORE HOMOGENEOUS. 1245 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,522 WHICH MEANS THAT, YES, THEY HAVE 1246 00:37:54,523 --> 00:37:58,999 TO DO LESS WORK, BUT IT ALSO 1247 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,743 MEANS THAT THEY CAN TALK TO 1248 00:38:01,744 --> 00:38:05,961 THEMSELVES AND, AS A CONSEQUENCE 1249 00:38:05,962 --> 00:38:08,410 OF THE WAY OUR DEMOCRACY, OUR 1250 00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:10,218 REPUBLIC IS STRUCTURED, THEY 1251 00:38:10,252 --> 00:38:12,396 DON’T HAVE TO APPEAL TO AS BROAD 1252 00:38:12,431 --> 00:38:14,682 OF A BASE. 1253 00:38:14,683 --> 00:38:18,519 THAT’S NOT FAIR, BUT, YOU KNOW, 1254 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,558 I AT LEAST WOULD PREFER NOT 1255 00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,449 HAVING THE PROGRESSIVES MODEL 1256 00:38:23,484 --> 00:38:26,858 OURSELVES OUT OF-- OR MODEL OURS 1257 00:38:26,893 --> 00:38:28,851 ON THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN PARTY. 1258 00:38:28,885 --> 00:38:31,361 THAT DOESN’T FEEL LIKE A GOOD 1259 00:38:31,396 --> 00:38:32,686 STRATEGY TO ME TO GET THE 1260 00:38:32,687 --> 00:38:33,905 OUTCOMES THAT WE WANT. 1261 00:38:33,906 --> 00:38:36,167 Trevor: when we come back, 1262 00:38:36,168 --> 00:38:37,686 President Obama reflects on 1263 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,422 whether he should have roasted 1264 00:38:39,457 --> 00:38:41,792 Donald Trump back in 2011. YOU DON’T WANT TO MISS IT. 1265 00:38:45,175 --> 00:38:45,579 "The Daily Social Distancing 1266 00:38:45,580 --> 00:38:46,004 Show." 1267 00:38:46,005 --> 00:38:47,705 HERE IS THE FINAL PART OF MY 1268 00:38:47,706 --> 00:38:49,513 INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA. 1269 00:38:49,514 --> 00:38:51,460 I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS LEGACY AND 1270 00:38:51,462 --> 00:38:53,596 WHAT PART HE MIGHT HAVE PLAYED 1271 00:38:53,631 --> 00:38:56,054 IN THE RISE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. 1272 00:38:56,056 --> 00:38:59,427 LET’S TALK A LITTLE BIT-- LET’S 1273 00:38:59,428 --> 00:39:00,218 LOOSEN THINGS UP. 1274 00:39:00,252 --> 00:39:01,919 LET’S UNBUTTON ONE OF THOSE-- 1275 00:39:01,953 --> 00:39:03,202 ONE OF THOSE BUTONS ON THE 1276 00:39:03,204 --> 00:39:03,544 SHIRT. 1277 00:39:03,579 --> 00:39:04,667 ( LAUGHS ) 1278 00:39:04,701 --> 00:39:08,349 AS SOMEONE WHO I CONSIDER TO BE 1279 00:39:08,350 --> 00:39:10,059 ONE OF THE BEST DELIVERERS OF 1280 00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:11,897 JOKES AND ROASTS, ARE YOU GOING 1281 00:39:11,898 --> 00:39:13,487 TO BE MORE CAREFUL GOING FORWARD 1282 00:39:13,488 --> 00:39:15,258 ABOUT WHO YOU ROAST? 1283 00:39:15,259 --> 00:39:16,661 AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU 1284 00:39:16,695 --> 00:39:17,637 ROASTED DONALD TRUMP. 1285 00:39:17,672 --> 00:39:20,197 HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT. 1286 00:39:20,198 --> 00:39:22,107 YOU ROASTED KANYE WEST, HE RAN 1287 00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:23,276 FOR PRESIDENT. 1288 00:39:23,277 --> 00:39:25,434 SO I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE 1289 00:39:25,468 --> 00:39:27,159 NOTICED, BUT YOU HAVE AN ABILITY 1290 00:39:27,193 --> 00:39:28,831 TO INSPIRE PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THE 1291 00:39:28,832 --> 00:39:30,728 HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND WITH 1292 00:39:30,729 --> 00:39:31,959 SOME OF THE JOKES THAT YOU TELL 1293 00:39:31,961 --> 00:39:32,897 ABOUT THEM. 1294 00:39:32,899 --> 00:39:36,024 WELL, I SHOULD-- I SHOULD 1295 00:39:36,059 --> 00:39:37,525 ROAST PEOPLE-- PEOPLE I ADMIRE 1296 00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:38,211 MORE. 1297 00:39:38,212 --> 00:39:40,378 I’LL START ROASTING YOU, MAN. 1298 00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:42,364 WHO KNOWS. 1299 00:39:42,366 --> 00:39:44,737 ALTHOUGH, YOU WEREN’T BORN HERE 1300 00:39:44,739 --> 00:39:48,296 SO... YOU KNOW. 1301 00:39:48,298 --> 00:39:51,778 I WAS BORN IN HAWAII-- 1302 00:39:51,812 --> 00:39:53,118 WHO KNOWS? 1303 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,376 Trevor: uhm, before I let 1304 00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:57,312 you go, I wanted to know one 1305 00:39:57,314 --> 00:39:58,821 last thing and that is being 1306 00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:00,057 president of the United States 1307 00:40:00,091 --> 00:40:01,521 is arguably the toughest job in 1308 00:40:01,556 --> 00:40:02,520 the world. 1309 00:40:02,521 --> 00:40:04,330 WHEN YOU TRANSITION BACK TO 1310 00:40:04,365 --> 00:40:06,438 PERSONAL LIFE, I WONDER WHAT 1311 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:07,693 THAT IS LIKE. 1312 00:40:07,728 --> 00:40:09,044 BECAUSE, UNLIKE YOU, I DON’T 1313 00:40:09,046 --> 00:40:10,290 HAVE THAT POWER. 1314 00:40:10,291 --> 00:40:12,007 I’VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE A 1315 00:40:12,008 --> 00:40:13,637 THING IN THE WORLD OR DO 1316 00:40:13,638 --> 00:40:14,949 SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 1317 00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:17,134 BUT NOW IN MANY WAYS ARE YOU 1318 00:40:17,135 --> 00:40:18,954 LIKE ME IN THAT YOU SEE THE THE 1319 00:40:18,955 --> 00:40:20,295 THING ON THE TV AND YOU GET 1320 00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:22,266 ANGRY OR SAD BUT YOU CANNOT 1321 00:40:22,267 --> 00:40:24,030 REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 1322 00:40:24,031 --> 00:40:26,626 SO I WONDER, AS FORMER PRESIDENT 1323 00:40:26,627 --> 00:40:27,911 BARACK OBAMA, HAVE YOU 1324 00:40:27,912 --> 00:40:28,581 TRANSITIONED INTO THAT 1325 00:40:28,582 --> 00:40:28,850 COMPLETELY? 1326 00:40:28,852 --> 00:40:30,280 OR DO YOU FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO 1327 00:40:30,281 --> 00:40:31,584 TRY TO FIX THE PROBLEMS YOU SEE 1328 00:40:31,618 --> 00:40:32,839 IN THE WORLD? 1329 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,447 WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I’M NOT 1330 00:40:34,481 --> 00:40:35,490 ANYTHING LIKE YOU. 1331 00:40:35,525 --> 00:40:36,759 I STILL HAVE A LOT MORE 1332 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,350 INFLUENCE AND CLOUT. 1333 00:40:38,384 --> 00:40:41,111 SO LET’S JUST BE CLEAR. 1334 00:40:41,145 --> 00:40:42,616 ( LAUGHING ) 1335 00:40:42,618 --> 00:40:44,154 COME OMAN. 1336 00:40:44,156 --> 00:40:46,109 LET’S PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE 1337 00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:48,913 GLI I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD LET 1338 00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:51,015 THAT ONE SLIDE AND BE LIKE, 1339 00:40:51,016 --> 00:40:53,000 "TREVOR, IN MANY WAYS--" 1340 00:40:53,035 --> 00:40:55,988 THE TRUTH IS THAT I-- I DID 1341 00:40:55,989 --> 00:40:57,109 NOT HAVE THOSE KIND OF 1342 00:40:57,110 --> 00:40:57,512 WITHDRAWALS. 1343 00:40:57,513 --> 00:40:59,921 AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE 1344 00:40:59,922 --> 00:41:04,291 WHO I KNOW WHO HAVE HAD THEM 1345 00:41:04,325 --> 00:41:06,301 WHEN THEY LEAVE PUBLIC LIFE AND 1346 00:41:06,303 --> 00:41:06,836 VERY VISIBLY. 1347 00:41:06,871 --> 00:41:08,123 THEY WANT TO GET BACK ON STAGE. 1348 00:41:08,158 --> 00:41:09,108 Trevor: yeah. 1349 00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:10,814 MICHELLE AND I, THAT’S 1350 00:41:10,848 --> 00:41:12,318 SOMETHING WE SHARE. 1351 00:41:12,352 --> 00:41:14,922 WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE WORK WE 1352 00:41:14,923 --> 00:41:15,552 DID. 1353 00:41:15,587 --> 00:41:18,652 WE DON’T FEEL ANXIETY ABOUT NOT 1354 00:41:18,654 --> 00:41:21,086 BEING THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. 1355 00:41:21,088 --> 00:41:22,989 WE GET FRUSTRATED, LIKE I THINK 1356 00:41:23,023 --> 00:41:24,790 CITIZENS AROUND THE WORLD AND 1357 00:41:24,824 --> 00:41:29,112 HERE IN THE COUNTRY DO, WHEN WE 1358 00:41:29,113 --> 00:41:31,864 SEE SOMETHING UNJUST OR UNFAIR. 1359 00:41:31,899 --> 00:41:36,191 AND, YES, THE GOAL I THINK FOR 1360 00:41:36,226 --> 00:41:39,770 US IS TO FIND NEW WAYS TO HAVE 1361 00:41:39,771 --> 00:41:41,178 THAT SAME IMPACT, UNDERSTANDING 1362 00:41:41,212 --> 00:41:43,446 THAT WE’LL NEVER HAVE THE EXACT 1363 00:41:43,481 --> 00:41:45,071 SAME IMPACT AS YOU HAVE IN THE 1364 00:41:45,105 --> 00:41:46,194 OVAL OFFICE. 1365 00:41:46,195 --> 00:41:48,990 BUT A LOT OF THE WORK AROUND THE 1366 00:41:49,025 --> 00:41:50,481 FOUNDATION IS-- YOU KNOW, YOU 1367 00:41:50,483 --> 00:41:52,479 SAID CREATE A LOT OF OBAMAS. 1368 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,143 I’M NOT SURE THAT’S THE GOAL. 1369 00:41:54,177 --> 00:41:56,538 BUT IF 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS DOWN 1370 00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:58,558 THE ROAD, THERE ARE 1,000, 1371 00:41:58,592 --> 00:42:00,159 10,000, 100,000 YOUNG PEOPLE WHO 1372 00:42:00,193 --> 00:42:03,313 ARE NOW MOVING INTO POSITIONS OF 1373 00:42:03,347 --> 00:42:05,365 AUTHORITY AND POWER, AND IN SOME 1374 00:42:05,366 --> 00:42:07,762 WAYS HAVE BEEN SHAPED BY OUR 1375 00:42:07,796 --> 00:42:09,960 EXAMPLE IN A POSITIVE WAY, YOU 1376 00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:12,839 KNOW, THAT-- THAT’S THE LEGACY 1377 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,088 THAT MAY EXCEED ANYTHING THAT WE 1378 00:42:16,122 --> 00:42:18,611 DID WHILE WE WERE IN-- IN OUR 1379 00:42:18,645 --> 00:42:20,272 FORMAL POSITIONS. 1380 00:42:20,273 --> 00:42:22,524 AND THAT FEELS PRETTY GOOD. 1381 00:42:22,525 --> 00:42:24,726 Trevor: well, I could talk 1382 00:42:24,728 --> 00:42:26,513 to you for hours, but luckily, I 1383 00:42:26,514 --> 00:42:27,831 have a 700-page book to answer 1384 00:42:27,832 --> 00:42:28,953 the rest of my questions. 1385 00:42:28,955 --> 00:42:31,348 THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME. 1386 00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:34,252 THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. 1387 00:42:34,287 --> 00:42:35,762 AND, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BEING 1388 00:42:35,796 --> 00:42:37,593 YOU. 1389 00:42:37,594 --> 00:42:39,159 MR. PRESIDENT. 1390 00:42:39,161 --> 00:42:40,950 A.K.A. OBISALTHANK YOU FOR 1391 00:42:40,952 --> 00:42:42,426 JOINING ME ON THE "THE DAILY 1392 00:42:42,427 --> 00:42:43,012 SOCIAL DISTANCING SHOW." 1393 00:42:43,046 --> 00:42:45,817 I ENJOYED IT, MAN. 1394 00:42:45,851 --> 00:42:47,537 WE’LL DO IT AGAIN, VOLUME TWO. 1395 00:42:47,539 --> 00:42:48,520 Trevor: PRESIDENT OBAMA’S 1396 00:42:48,521 --> 00:42:49,277 MEMOIR "A PROMISED LAND" IS 1397 00:42:49,311 --> 00:42:49,567 AVAILABLE NOW. 1398 00:42:49,601 --> 00:42:50,279 OKAY, WE’RE GOING TO TAKE A 1399 00:42:50,314 --> 00:42:51,804 QUICK BREAK, BUT WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK AFTER THIS. 1400 00:42:53,303 --> 00:42:55,304 Trevor: THAT’S OUR SHOW FOR 1401 00:42:55,305 --> 00:42:55,971 TONIGHT. 1402 00:42:56,006 --> 00:42:58,172 BUT BEFORE WE GO: THIS HOLIDAY 1403 00:42:58,173 --> 00:42:59,532 SEASON, PLEASE DON’T FORGET TO 1404 00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:00,357 SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS. 1405 00:43:00,358 --> 00:43:01,162 THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO STAY OPEN 1406 00:43:01,196 --> 00:43:03,590 DURING THIS PANDEMIC, AND IF 1407 00:43:03,624 --> 00:43:05,050 THEY DON’T GET THE HELP THEY 1408 00:43:05,051 --> 00:43:07,187 NEED, THEY MIGHT NOT BE OPEN FOR 1409 00:43:07,221 --> 00:43:09,123 YOU WHEN THE PANDEMIC IS OVER. 1410 00:43:09,158 --> 00:43:12,714 IF YOU WANT TO HELP BEYOND JUST 1411 00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:13,207 BUYING FOOD, 1412 00:43:13,208 --> 00:43:14,052 PLEASE CONSIDER A DONATION TO 1413 00:43:14,053 --> 00:43:15,561 THE JAMES BEARD FOUNDATION’S 1414 00:43:15,596 --> 00:43:17,355 "OPEN FOR GOOD" CAMPAIGN, WHICH 1415 00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:18,119 HELPS INDEPENDENT RESTAURANTS 1416 00:43:18,153 --> 00:43:20,047 SURVIVE THE PANDEMIC AND 1417 00:43:20,049 --> 00:43:20,855 REBUILD STRONGER. 1418 00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:23,241 UNTIL TOMORROW, STAY SAFE OUT 1419 00:43:23,275 --> 00:43:24,503 THERE, WEAR A MASK, AND 1420 00:43:24,504 --> 00:43:26,503 REMEMBER: IF YOUR PENIS POPS 1421 00:43:26,538 --> 00:43:28,727 OUT, JUST SAY IT WAS A GLITCH 1422 00:43:28,761 --> 00:43:32,269 AND OFFER EVERYONE IN THE ROOM A 1423 00:43:32,304 --> 00:43:32,717 FULL REFUND. 1424 00:43:32,718 --> 00:43:33,550 NOW, HERE IT IS, YOUR MOMENT OF 1425 00:43:33,551 --> 00:43:34,301 ZEN. 1426 00:43:34,335 --> 00:43:37,725 IT’S THE HOTTEST NEW SHOW IN 1427 00:43:37,726 --> 00:43:39,110 AMERICA-- "WHO WANTS TO BE 1428 00:43:39,111 --> 00:43:39,570 VACCINATED?" 1429 00:43:39,571 --> 00:43:41,239 LET’S ACTUALLY GET SOME SHOTS 1430 00:43:41,274 --> 00:43:42,005 IN ARMS. 1431 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:43,637 YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THE FIRST 1432 00:43:43,638 --> 00:43:45,909 SHOT DONE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. 1433 00:43:45,911 --> 00:43:48,036 YOU GUYS READY TO GO? 1434 00:43:48,071 --> 00:43:49,709 NOT IN FRONT OF A STUDIO 1435 00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:50,092 AUDIENCE. 1436 00:43:50,127 --> 00:43:51,873 YOU DO I WANT WANT TO MISS YOUR 1437 00:43:51,907 --> 00:43:52,642 TO WIN. 1438 00:43:52,643 --> 00:43:54,280 WE’RE HERE TO WATCH YOU TAKE 1439 00:43:54,281 --> 00:43:54,859 THE FIRST SHOT. 1440 00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:56,135 ( APPLAUSE ). 1441 00:43:56,170 --> 00:43:57,450 JOHNNY, TELL THEM WHAT 1442 00:43:57,451 --> 00:43:59,137 VACCINATED PEOPLE GET. 1443 00:43:59,171 --> 00:44:02,472 YOU’LL BE TAKING HOME 1444 00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:04,531 VACCINATION AND A FREE TRIP TO 1445 00:44:04,532 --> 00:44:09,879 SANDALS JAMAICA. YOU DON’T WANT TO MISS OUT!