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Well, hello, everybody.
What's going on?
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I'm Trevor Noah, and this is
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The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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Today is February 11,
which means, my friends,
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Valentine's Day
is only three days away.
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I repeat: three days away.
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So just remember
to leave out a plate
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of milk and cookies for Cupid,
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or else he'll make you
get a divorce.
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Anyway, on tonight's show,
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Democrats make
their closing arguments
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against Donald J. Trump,
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Jordan Klepper is back in D.C.
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for the first time
since the riots,
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and why being nice
to your mee-maw
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might get you vaccinated.
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Plus Daniel Kaluuya joins us
on the show to talk about
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his brand-new movie,
Judas and the Black Messiah.
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So let's do this, people.
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Welcome to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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-? ? -ANNOUNCER: From Trevor's
couch in New York City
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to your couch
somewhere in the world, this is
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The Daily Social Distancing
Show with Trevor Noah.
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Let's talk about
the coronavirus,
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the only thing with more
mutations than Rudy Giuliani.
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There's good news in America,
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as cases and hospitalizations
continue to fall.
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But with dangerous coronavirus
variants spreading
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around the country,
the race is now on
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to get as many people vaccinated
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as quickly as possible.
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Which is why, in Massachusetts,
they started doing this.
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NEWSWOMAN: Starting today
in Massachusetts,
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vaccine eligibility begins
for friends and family members
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who accompany a person
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who is 75 years of age or older
to their vaccine appointment.
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Only one companion per person
is allowed to sign up
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for this vaccine appointment
at a mass vaccination site,
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regardless of their age
or health.
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Hell yeah, Massachusetts.
Oh!
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This is just like the club,
but the exact opposite.
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The shots are free, and if you
have your grandma with you,
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you get in right away.
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But, yes, anyone can
get a vaccine in Massachusetts,
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as long as they roll up
with someone 75 or over.
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And you know
what this means, right?
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It means everyone is gonna
want to make friends
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with old people
in Massachusetts now.
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In fact, they should
just make this
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the next season
of The Bachelorette.
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Who will get Gladys' syringe?
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Stay tuned to find out.
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And this could also make for
some awkward situations,
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because this is when
the grandkids find out
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which one is the favorite,
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or that grandma has been
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having an affair
with the pool boy all along.
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I love you all equally,
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but Javier has abs of steel.
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And, look, I know there's gonna
be a run on octogenarians now,
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but if you ask me, we shouldn't
need any more incentives
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to hang out with old people.
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Guys, old people are the best.
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They're full of wisdom,
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they usually have
free candy in their pockets,
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and they have lots
of practical advice about
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defeating Nazis, which
is super useful these days.
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But America
isn't the only country
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taking creative measures
to combat coronavirus.
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They're also making
big changes in France,
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aka horny Belgium,
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where office culture
may never be the same.
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NEWSMAN: Employees in France
will soon be allowed
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to eat at their desks at work.
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Currently, the French labor
code actually prohibits
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businesses from allowing
employees to eat meals
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in areas that are
dedicated to work.
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But the labor minister will be
making the changes as part
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of new COVID restrictions as
employees return to the office.
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Now, it could signal a change
for a country with a very strong
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work-life balance,
with one French woman
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telling The New York Times
the amendment
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is "a catastrophe."
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I agree.
This is a catastrophe
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for French culture.
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First, they start
eating at their desks,
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and what's next--
working at their desks?
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Sacrebleu!
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But this is kind of wild.
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Apparently, up until now,
it had been illegal in France
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to eat lunch at your desk,
because they think
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if it's allowed, workers
are gonna be pressured to do it
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instead of taking
a lunch break.
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Not to mention,
it's really hard to get
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fresh ground pepper
out of a keyboard.
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And I'm not gonna lie.
I was really surprised
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to learn about this rule.
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I mean, I would have thought
that if anyone
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ate while they were working,
it would be the French.
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I mean, their main pastry
doubles as a phone.
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(French accent):
Allo? Marguerette,
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I need those documents
on my desk
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by the end of the day.
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
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Okay, magnifique.
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(regular accent):
And, finally, a story
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about some people
in the Caribbean
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who were quarantining
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NEWSWOMAN: This morning,
three Cuban nationals
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are recovering
after being stranded
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on a remote, deserted island
for five weeks.
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The married couple and another
man were found on Anguilla Cay,
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a small island between
Key West and the Bahamas.
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MAN:
We actually discovered them
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waving, uh, next to their,
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that they had built
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NEWSWOMAN: Pictures show
the shelter the three had made.
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With little food and water,
they reportedly survived
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off rats and conch shells.
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Good lord, people.
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That sounds
absolutely traumatic.
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To be on a beach and not
be able to Instagram it?
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Ooh!
That is a punishment
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I wish on nobody.
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But, yeah, that's right:
a married couple and another man
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were stranded on an island
for 33 days.
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And the person I feel worst for
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because not only
are you the third wheel,
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but once that
rat supply dries up,
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you know you're
the first thing on the menu.
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Why you guys... why you guys
looking at me like?
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D-Do you guys want to have,
like, a threesome?
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I mean, something like that.
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But for real,
actually being stranded
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on a tropical island
seems way less fun
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than they made it seem
on Gilligan's Island.
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I don't remember ever seeing
Mary Ann walking around
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covered in rat blood.
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But let's move on
to our top story:
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the second impeachment
of Donald Trump,
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former president
of the United States
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and current
Mar-a-Lago toilet clogger.
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Today was day three of the
trial, and we'll catch you up
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on all of the latest
in another episode of
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The Magical, Wonderful Road
to Impeachment.
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That's probably
presidential harassment.
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So, today was the final day
of the Democrats
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presenting their case
against Trump.
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And one of the more shocking
revelations of the presentation
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has been never-before-seen
footage of the riot,
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which showed us just how close
some senators came
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to meeting the world's
worst tour group.
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House impeachment managers
used graphic new video
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and audio to recreate moments
from the Capitol siege,
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and some of that footage
showed just how close
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lawmakers and their staffers
came to the pro-Trump mob
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that stormed the Capitol.
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NEWSWOMAN:
Among the very close calls,
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this security video showing
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Senate majority leader
Chuck Schumer
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being escorted
by his security detail,
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then quickly turning around
after spotting nearby rioters.
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Another video shows Capitol
police officer Eugene Goodman
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redirecting Senator Mitt Romney
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away from rioters
just down the hall.
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All right, that is terrifying.
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There were so many rioters
in so many parts of the Capitol,
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that these senators
were just running around
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like they were stuck
in the Weeknd's halftime maze.
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And you can understand
why Mitt Romney, especially,
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would be sprinting
away from this mob.
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I mean, these are the people
who were chanting
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"Hang Mike Pence."
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Mike Pence. The man
who's spent the last four years
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eye-banging
the back of Trump's head.
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So, to them, Mitt Romney
is basically Mormon AOC.
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I mean, I don't know
what Mitt would have done
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if he had run into them.
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He would have had to try
and blend in with them.
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Let's find these traitors!
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It's time to kill
the Deep State!
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"I heartily agree,
my good friends.
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"And, afterwards, let's go
to the local confectionary
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and enjoy
some vanilla milkshakes."
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"What?!
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"Great idea!
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This guy's all right!"
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But this isn't
an impeachment trial
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of a few thousand
insane QAnon followers. No.
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This is the impeachment
of Donald Trump.
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So, once again today,
the Democrats focused
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on how Donald Trump
incited the riot.
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And what was really helpful
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was that the rioters themselves
provided the evidence.
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Even after the attack,
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the insurrectionists made clear
to law enforcement
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that they were just following
President Trump's orders.
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They didn't shy away
from their crimes
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because they thought
they were following orders
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from the commander in chief.
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MAN:
We were invited here!
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We were invited!
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Hey, we were invited here!
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We were invited by the
president of the United States!
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There's a (bleep) million
of us out there,
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and we are listening to Trump,
your boss!
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Let's call Trump! Yes!
(laughs)
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Dude! Dude,
let-let's tell Trump what's up.
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We're fighting for Trump.
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Guys, come on!
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Don't call Trump
in the middle of the riot.
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You just saw him at the rally
a couple hours ago.
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You got to be chill.
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You call the morning
after the insurrection.
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You know,
you got to play the game.
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Also, how embarrassing is this
for Trump?
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Even his supporters knew
they can call him anytime
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and he won't be busy.
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But, overall, these videos
make it pretty obvious
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that Trump incited the rioters.
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They were wearing Trump hats,
carrying Trump flags,
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and they all just watched Trump
speak
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and they were chanting
"Fight for Trump."
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Even that dog from Blue's Clues
is like,
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"I need a challenge here, guys.
We-we all--
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we all know what this is,
right?"
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I mean, if one guy
stormed the Capitol
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because he thought
you said it to him,
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maybe you can just blame him.
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But if an entire stadium
of people
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misunderstood you
in the exact same way...
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(hisses) I don't know, man--
that shit's on you.
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But if there's one theme
of this trial,
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aside from Trump
being super guilty,
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it's Republican senators
not caring
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that Trump is super guilty.
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The new evidence
and the dramatic recreation
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of the January 6 mayhem
apparently did very little
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to sway most-most
of those Republican senators,
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uh, the jurors.
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Some of them
are explicitly not listening:
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feet up on desks,
they're reading books,
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they're reading, uh,
briefing papers on other topics.
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We are seeing more empty seats
on the-the floor of the Senate.
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Our colleague Manu Raju was in
the-the Senate chamber
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just a few moments ago.
He counted up to 15 empty seats.
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While the Democrats
were playing their video
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of rioters storming the Capitol,
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a handful
of Republican senators,
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including Rick Scott,
Tom Cotton, Marco Rubio,
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barely even looked
at the screen,
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according to, uh, reports.
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And Rand Paul was looking down
at a paper in his lap,
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where he had begun doodling
with a pencil.
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Okay, I'm sorry,
that is so disrespectful.
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Hey, Rand Paul! Why don't you
show us what you were doodling
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instead of paying attention
to the present...
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Oh, my God.
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It's beautiful.
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Wow, you... you should have been
an artist, Rand.
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You should...
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These senators are a jury
for a trial of the president,
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but, instead, they're acting
like bored middle schoolers.
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What do Democrats have to do to
make this interesting for them,
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bring in one of those math
teachers who raps everything?
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? My name is Doug
and I'm here to say ?
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? Democracy was threatened
in a major way. ?
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(beatboxes)
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So, for many Republicans,
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there's nothing
that could happen in this trial
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to change their minds.
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But if there's
a Republican senator out there
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who's still struggling to ignore
the evidence against Trump,
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well, good news,
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we have just the product
for you.
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senator feeling overwhelmed
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by overwhelming evidence?
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evidence-canceling technology,
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so you can ignore
even the loudest chants
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of "Hang Mike Pence."
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(muffled shouting)
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ImpeachPods also drown out
that little voice in your head
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that's disgusted
with what you've become.
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You've sold your soul, Josh.
You're a joke.
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(muffled):
You're a total joke.
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Plus, they work great
in TV interviews.
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This election was not stolen.
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Do you accept that fact?
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? ?
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I think we have
some audio problems right there.
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ImpeachPods.
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to sleep through the rest
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All right, when we come back,
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Jordan Klepper goes back to D.C.
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to see what happened
after the Capitol riots.
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And Daniel Kaluuya
is joining us on the show.
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So don't go away.
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Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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This is the second time
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that Democrats have impeached
Donald Trump,
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and it raises the question:
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have they learned any lessons
from the first time?
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Well, to find out,
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we sent Jordan Klepper down
to Washington, D.C.,
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for another episode
of Fingers the Pulse.
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? ?
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KLEPPER:
It's impeachment week.
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Again. So I'm back
in Washington, D.C.,
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where our Capitol is
a bit different
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from the last time I was here.
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It is hard to figure out how
to get in towards the Capitol.
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I want to get to the Capitol.
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-Could I... -Go all the way down
to Constitution.
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There are miles and miles
of fences.
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Could somebody get on Parler
or something
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to figure out how to get...
in there?
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And the thousands of screaming
MAGA folks is down to...
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two.
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What do you think
of the impeachment?
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What I saw and what there's
a lot of evidence showing
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is that many
of the initial people
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who entered the building
violently were leftists, antifa.
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I was here. It seemed like a lot
of people were Trump supporters.
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A thousand people
broke into the Capitol,
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erected a noose outside,
and tried to kill
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-the speaker of the house
and the vice president. -Hey.
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I-I literally think that you
have added the "tried to kill
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all those things"
and you have ignored...
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-I got to show you some videos.
I got to... -Me, too! (stammers)
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You want to trade videos?
'Cause I'd love to share a video
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-with you as well. -I'm-I'm
not gonna give you my e-mail.
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Yet the MAGA faithful
aren't the only ones
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who want to go to the video.
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House prosecutors plan to "have
a fast-paced, cinematic case."
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Raskin is aiming for
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a blockbuster action film
this week.
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Yes, Impeachment 2
is bigger and louder
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and more cinematic
than the first one.
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Because, as we all know,
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when you're dealing
with American audiences,
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stunning imagery
goes farther than facts.
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What are you doing?
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Are you doing
the spinny bad boy shot?
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We always do the bad boy shot.
Stop it.
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I understand the Democrats'
moviemaking angle,
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but how was
this blockbuster approach
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playing with the few locals
we could actually find?
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The first impeachment
gets in the weeds,
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feels a little bit more
like a complicated spy drama
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made by a foreign director.
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This new one?
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This new one, I think,
is just so obvious, you know?
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It's full of drama and chaos,
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unfortunately,
murder and sedition, you know?
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It has all of the good
plot twists of a-a crime.
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I'm not excited about it,
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because the fact
that it had to happen
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is because something horrible
happened in the first place.
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You're not excited
for the new impeachment.
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Would you say you're
getting too old for this shit?
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I am Bruce Willis
too old for this shit.
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Technically, Danny Glover.
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-You know...
-Lethal Weapon. Danny Glover.
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I guess Bruce Willis
was getting too old
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for the Die Hard series
in and of itself.
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Uh, all I'm saying
is somebody needs to say,
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"Hasta la vista, baby."
Am I right?
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As long as there's not
a third movie, I'll be great.
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I hope you're right.
Although, we do have a villain
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who's never been
held accountable in his life.
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It kind of keeps
the franchise open.
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I think they had a good
opening day with the video,
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and I think Jamie Raskin did
a really good job of explaining
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that some people
were either getting ready
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to just hide behind their desk
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or, like, grab
a pair of scissors and go out.
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It's screenwriting 101.
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Make it personal.
Give us people to care about.
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Exactly. Where's Jordan...
Where's Jordan Peele?
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-Jordan really needs
to get up here. -He should be
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-an impeachment manager.
-I don't know. He's too busy
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making scary stuff
that I only stay through half of
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because it's both scary
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and I have
certain race guilt issues
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because of my privilege.
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Showing hours and hours
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of footage
of blatant criminality
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seems like a sound legal tactic.
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So, how does the 2020
lead impeachment manager,
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Adam Schiff, feel the sequel
stacks up to the original?
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Ours might have been more
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the Ken Burns democ...
documentary.
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This might be more
the HBO miniseries.
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But, uh, you know,
we had to try to bring to life
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events that were happening
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half a world away, uh,
in Ukraine.
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Here, you don't have to imagine,
uh, anything
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because senators were there.
403
00:16:24,282 --> 00:16:25,851
Uh, the House members
were there.
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We watched it
on our television screens.
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Why-why do you think
the impeachment is necessary?
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It's absolutely necessary.
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If he's not disqualified now,
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if the senators
don't follow their oath
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and don't follow the evidence,
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uh, and he's acquitted again
and he decides to run again,
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he will put the country
through hell again.
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Is accountability
really America's thing?
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I mean, that's...
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We're better at, like, barbecue
and wraparound sunglasses.
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I think that the lack
of priority on accountability
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over the last several years
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has been why
we're in this predicament.
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There are critics
who say Congress should go back
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to doing more important things,
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like stopping the space lasers
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that are causing
all the wildfires.
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Should we be focusing
on those big, important issues?
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Uh, this points
to another huge problem.
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-Not the lasers.
-The wildfires.
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(chuckles)
But the people who believe...
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-The people who believe.
-...in that kooky, crazy,
427
00:17:16,334 --> 00:17:19,671
uh, batshit
conspiracy theory stuff.
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00:17:19,704 --> 00:17:22,874
Um, they're members
of Congress now.
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How do you convince people
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who are both witnesses
and jurors to a crime
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that a crime actually occurred?
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The Republican party
needs to be a party
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of ide-ideas and ideology again.
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At the end of the day,
what this is really about is,
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uh, can they find the courage
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to tell
their constituents back home
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that what they were fed
by Donald Trump
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was a bunch of lies?
439
00:17:46,698 --> 00:17:48,266
So, you're banking
on the courage
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of someone like Ted Cruz.
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00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:51,937
-(laughs)
-Good luck with that.
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00:17:51,970 --> 00:17:53,305
-I mean...
-If I was gonna bank on that,
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I would be bankrupt
a long time ago.
444
00:17:54,773 --> 00:17:56,875
I was gonna say, he won't even
stand up for his wife
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let alone the country, so...
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So, the final jury
is the American people.
447
00:18:01,746 --> 00:18:03,281
Which, in, like,
Rotten Tomatoes,
448
00:18:03,315 --> 00:18:06,118
it's like the critics' score
versus the audience score.
449
00:18:06,151 --> 00:18:08,653
Now, the first impeachment
was great. Critics loved it.
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Audience was so-so on it.
But maybe for this new one,
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the audience score pops right up
and there's a conviction?
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Well, I-I'm hoping that the,
uh, the audience score
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and the senators' score
are in alignment
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and they both say,
"We never want to see
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the likes of Donald Trump
in office again."
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KLEPPER: So, will Impeachment
Two: Don't Rush to Judgment Day
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move any Senate Republicans
to convict Trump?
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As I look around
our transformed Capitol
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for signs of hope, I know...
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No more Bad Boy shots, okay?
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00:18:37,849 --> 00:18:40,519
I-I'm-I'm... No. No.
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Thank you so much for that,
Jordan. All right,
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when we come back,
Daniel Kaluuya joins me
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on the show to talk
about his brand-new movie,
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Judas and the Black Messiah.
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You don't want to miss it.
467
00:18:52,297 --> 00:18:53,999
Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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Earlier today, I spoke
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with award-winning actor
Daniel Kaluuya.
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We talked
about his brand-new film
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where he portrays Black Panther
chairman Fred Hampton.
472
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(cheering)
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00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:08,346
You can murder a liberator,
but you can't murder liberation.
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You can murder a revolutionary,
but you can't murder revolution.
475
00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:13,652
And you can murder
a freedom fighter,
476
00:19:13,685 --> 00:19:15,420
but you can't murder freedom!
477
00:19:15,453 --> 00:19:17,856
(cheering)
478
00:19:17,889 --> 00:19:20,792
-Say, "I am..."
-CROWD: I am!
479
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-"A revolutionary."
-A revolutionary!
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00:19:22,861 --> 00:19:24,295
-I am...
-I am!
481
00:19:24,329 --> 00:19:26,031
-...a revolutionary!
-A revolutionary!
482
00:19:26,064 --> 00:19:27,766
-I am...
-I am!
483
00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:29,167
-...a revolutionary!
-A revolutionary!
484
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,503
I am a revolutionary!
485
00:19:31,536 --> 00:19:34,539
What's happening, Trevor, man?
What's going on?
486
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You can kill a revolutionary,
but you can't kill a revolution.
487
00:19:37,709 --> 00:19:39,878
-Yeah. -And that's... Can I tell
you something, Daniel Kaluuya?
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That is my favorite...
Let me tell you something, man.
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It's been a while
since I watched a movie.
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00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:48,687
Man, kudos to everyone.
Kudos to yourself.
491
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Kudos to LaKeith.
Kudos to Shaka King.
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This... This is... Yeah, man.
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I...
If I had the Oscars at my house,
494
00:19:54,626 --> 00:19:55,860
I would just give them
to you now.
495
00:19:55,894 --> 00:19:57,228
-(laughs) -You don't need
to go to the awards.
496
00:19:57,262 --> 00:19:59,197
We just take the Oscars,
we give them to you now,
497
00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:00,999
and you go home and you do
whatever you want with them.
498
00:20:01,032 --> 00:20:02,667
How are you doing, my dude?
499
00:20:02,701 --> 00:20:06,071
I'm going through it, bro.
This-this press run... (laughs)
500
00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:08,740
Speak about this. No, I'm good.
I'm good, I'm good.
501
00:20:08,773 --> 00:20:11,042
You know when you did something
that you're proud of?
502
00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:13,478
-Yeah. -You know, everyone
put everything into that.
503
00:20:13,511 --> 00:20:14,846
Everyone put everything
into that,
504
00:20:14,879 --> 00:20:16,881
so I'm feeling good, man.
How are you?
505
00:20:16,915 --> 00:20:18,750
-I like your hair, man.
-Thank you very much, man.
506
00:20:18,783 --> 00:20:20,618
I'm-I'm ready to join
the Black Panther party.
507
00:20:20,652 --> 00:20:22,220
-That's what I'm ready to do
right now. -Hey, bro.
508
00:20:22,253 --> 00:20:24,422
I can see you on the front line
with that hairstyle, brother.
509
00:20:24,456 --> 00:20:26,257
(both laugh)
510
00:20:26,291 --> 00:20:28,426
Feed some kids in
the breakfast program right now
511
00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:30,328
with that hairstyle right there.
512
00:20:30,362 --> 00:20:33,298
Oh, man, this movie... I-I...
You-you must be tired, man.
513
00:20:33,331 --> 00:20:34,933
You must be running around
doing press,
514
00:20:34,966 --> 00:20:37,836
because everybody should want
to speak to you about this film,
515
00:20:37,869 --> 00:20:39,671
Judas and the Black Messiah.
516
00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:41,573
Like, look, Daniel,
you've known for a long time
517
00:20:41,606 --> 00:20:43,475
I'm one of your biggest fans,
but there...
518
00:20:43,508 --> 00:20:44,709
You know, there are things
that... You know,
519
00:20:44,743 --> 00:20:45,944
even if you love Lionel Messi,
520
00:20:45,977 --> 00:20:47,379
there's still a goal
that he'll score
521
00:20:47,412 --> 00:20:49,114
where you're like,
"How did he do that?"
522
00:20:49,147 --> 00:20:50,548
Even if you love Ronaldo,
he'll do, like,
523
00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:52,117
a kick where you're like,
"How did he do that?"
524
00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:54,019
That's what I feel like
you do with your acting,
525
00:20:54,052 --> 00:20:56,421
is I know how you act.
I love how you act.
526
00:20:56,454 --> 00:20:58,923
Whether it's Queen & Slim,
you know, whether it's Get Out,
527
00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:00,392
it doesn't matter what it is.
528
00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,861
But in this film,
in Judas and the Black Messiah,
529
00:21:02,894 --> 00:21:05,630
we see a side of not just
the Black Panther party
530
00:21:05,664 --> 00:21:08,867
but Fred Hampton
that I think many people
531
00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:11,336
wouldn't know about
in American history.
532
00:21:11,369 --> 00:21:14,506
Tell me a little about the story
and why Daniel Kaluuya decided,
533
00:21:14,539 --> 00:21:16,775
"Nah, I-I think
I can bring this person to life
534
00:21:16,808 --> 00:21:18,777
in a way that a lot of people
haven't seen before."
535
00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:22,047
Yes, um... Yeah, do you know,
Chairman Fred,
536
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,582
uh, he was a man of the people,
you know?
537
00:21:24,616 --> 00:21:25,984
He was, uh, in Chicago,
538
00:21:26,017 --> 00:21:28,420
and he became chairman
of the Illinois chapter
539
00:21:28,453 --> 00:21:29,688
of the Black Panther party.
540
00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:32,023
And it-it-it...
541
00:21:32,057 --> 00:21:34,926
Ryan and Zinzi Coogler
actually pulled me to the side
542
00:21:34,959 --> 00:21:38,096
on the Black Panther reshoots
and asked me to be a part of it.
543
00:21:38,129 --> 00:21:40,098
And when I...
I just felt honored.
544
00:21:40,131 --> 00:21:42,934
I just felt honored that
they even saw me in that way.
545
00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:44,669
You know? It kind of is
something that came to me.
546
00:21:44,703 --> 00:21:45,971
They saw it before I saw it.
547
00:21:46,004 --> 00:21:48,640
And, um, and, uh...
And then, yeah,
548
00:21:48,673 --> 00:21:50,475
I just read the script,
and I was just like...
549
00:21:50,508 --> 00:21:51,876
You know,
550
00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:53,778
there's a lot of information
about how he died,
551
00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:54,980
but there's not
a lot of information
552
00:21:55,013 --> 00:21:56,548
about how remarkably he lived.
553
00:21:56,581 --> 00:21:58,216
-Right.
-You know? That's what it is.
554
00:21:58,249 --> 00:22:01,086
It's just like, "Wow.
This-this guy lived incredibly."
555
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,687
-You know what I'm saying?
-Right.
556
00:22:02,721 --> 00:22:06,024
He knew things on a deep,
deep, deep level,
557
00:22:06,057 --> 00:22:08,660
-and not only knew them,
executed them. -Right.
558
00:22:08,693 --> 00:22:11,696
It's the knowledge,
and he had original thoughts,
559
00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:14,132
and then he-he did something
about it in a way
560
00:22:14,165 --> 00:22:16,768
that was digestible
to people that were like him.
561
00:22:16,801 --> 00:22:19,771
You know, it's, like, there's so
much that has to happen there.
562
00:22:19,804 --> 00:22:22,507
-And he was 20, 21 for this?
-Right.
563
00:22:22,540 --> 00:22:23,975
You know, it's like
he was just...
564
00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:26,244
I say he's like a brilliant mind
and a brilliant heart.
565
00:22:26,277 --> 00:22:28,780
So for that, it's kind of like,
you know...
566
00:22:28,813 --> 00:22:31,416
It's kind of like a way
to serve something that...
567
00:22:31,449 --> 00:22:33,518
that was... that was
articulating stuff
568
00:22:33,551 --> 00:22:34,786
that you believed, but also,
569
00:22:34,819 --> 00:22:37,555
it's that kind of like,
it was...
570
00:22:37,589 --> 00:22:39,724
Learning
about chairman Fred allowed me
571
00:22:39,758 --> 00:22:42,594
-to grow as a man, you know?
-I can only imagine.
572
00:22:42,627 --> 00:22:46,331
So, I look at my preconceptions,
look at my fears
573
00:22:46,364 --> 00:22:48,733
and hang-ups that I had,
and kind of grow
574
00:22:48,767 --> 00:22:51,369
in order to kind of occupy
his words, you know?
575
00:22:51,403 --> 00:22:53,038
I think "preconceptions"
is the perfect word,
576
00:22:53,071 --> 00:22:55,740
because the stories
that we've been told
577
00:22:55,774 --> 00:22:58,877
about so many historical
figures are told by the people
578
00:22:58,910 --> 00:23:01,846
who oftentimes either ended
their lives prematurely,
579
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,649
or didn't want them to free the
people they were trying to free.
580
00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:06,718
I mean, Nelson Mandela was
labeled as a terrorist.
581
00:23:06,751 --> 00:23:09,554
You know? Mahatma Gandhi
was persona non grata
582
00:23:09,587 --> 00:23:10,789
with the British.
583
00:23:10,822 --> 00:23:12,857
Um, Fred Hampton was
no different.
584
00:23:12,891 --> 00:23:14,726
And what I love
about this story is,
585
00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:16,628
it doesn't show us
a simplistic view
586
00:23:16,661 --> 00:23:19,531
of the Black Panther Party
or Fred Hampton.
587
00:23:19,564 --> 00:23:20,699
It shows us a holistic view.
588
00:23:20,732 --> 00:23:22,067
In this film, though, we go,
589
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,235
these are human beings
fighting for their rights.
590
00:23:24,269 --> 00:23:26,538
And what I loved was
how the story talks
591
00:23:26,571 --> 00:23:28,807
about how the Black Panther
Party built a coalition
592
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,244
of Black, white and Hispanic
to fight against oppression.
593
00:23:33,278 --> 00:23:35,513
Yeah, yeah, that was...
that was the scariest thing
594
00:23:35,547 --> 00:23:36,915
to the powers that be, you know,
595
00:23:36,948 --> 00:23:40,585
is that Chairman Fred
had the, uh, the knowledge,
596
00:23:40,618 --> 00:23:43,989
the clarity, and the ability
to kind of see people
597
00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:45,490
from different communities
and understand
598
00:23:45,523 --> 00:23:48,426
that they were... they were more
aligned than people would think,
599
00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:50,095
especially people
that they had conflicts with,
600
00:23:50,128 --> 00:23:51,863
like the Young Patriots,
you know?
601
00:23:51,896 --> 00:23:53,698
There's a scene in the film
where we go in there,
602
00:23:53,732 --> 00:23:56,534
-and we're greeted with
the Confederate flag. -Right.
603
00:23:56,568 --> 00:23:58,970
You know, and even in conflict,
Chairman Fred
604
00:23:59,004 --> 00:24:01,006
and the Black Panther Party
found points of interest.
605
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:04,743
You know? But not in sacrifice
606
00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:07,479
of their love of Blackness
and love of the Black community.
607
00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:09,748
-Right. -'Cause now we live
in a day and age, if you join
608
00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,950
with someone
that isn't aligned with you,
609
00:24:11,983 --> 00:24:13,852
you feel like
you're selling out,
610
00:24:13,885 --> 00:24:15,553
you're compromising yourself.
611
00:24:15,587 --> 00:24:17,822
That thought wasn't even
in their mind. They were...
612
00:24:17,856 --> 00:24:20,959
It was all to bolster their love
for the community.
613
00:24:20,992 --> 00:24:24,629
But they saw that,
um, uh, there were...
614
00:24:24,663 --> 00:24:26,131
It was better in solidarity
615
00:24:26,164 --> 00:24:27,966
than in fragmentation,
you know?
616
00:24:27,999 --> 00:24:30,402
I would love to know
from your side as Daniel,
617
00:24:30,435 --> 00:24:34,172
how did you begin to embody Fred
the way that you did?
618
00:24:34,205 --> 00:24:36,574
Like, what did you look for
in him
619
00:24:36,608 --> 00:24:39,577
that helped you bring him
to life in this movie?
620
00:24:39,611 --> 00:24:41,079
You know what it is, Trevor.
I kind of...
621
00:24:41,112 --> 00:24:44,549
I was in a space where
I would watch his speeches,
622
00:24:44,582 --> 00:24:48,987
and be aware of how I was
feeling as a result of it.
623
00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:51,289
You know what I'm saying?
And going, how I was feeling,
624
00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:54,492
mood and-and... and that.
So then, I was like,
625
00:24:54,526 --> 00:24:57,595
"Oh, my goal is to occupy his
spiritual space, that position."
626
00:24:57,629 --> 00:25:01,266
-Hmm. -And go, "I want to move
the audience in the way
627
00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:03,134
that he is moving me
at this moment."
628
00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,437
You know, and I don't really
know the words
629
00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:09,140
for that feeling that I felt,
but I knew I felt it.
630
00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:11,509
And I said... I knew
I was able to occupy it.
631
00:25:11,543 --> 00:25:13,044
And I was like, "All right,
cool, let me just go there
632
00:25:13,078 --> 00:25:16,214
and let me have that as my
aspiration in terms of this."
633
00:25:16,247 --> 00:25:18,216
And that's kind of...
it's kind of like
634
00:25:18,249 --> 00:25:20,051
you're a vessel
in those situations.
635
00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:21,953
In certain scenes
by saying his actual words.
636
00:25:21,987 --> 00:25:26,257
And you can't help but let the
words tell you how to play it,
637
00:25:26,291 --> 00:25:28,626
let the words
tell you how to be.
638
00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:31,062
The voice.
Talk me through the voice
639
00:25:31,096 --> 00:25:32,464
and how-how important that was.
640
00:25:32,497 --> 00:25:34,032
'Cause I feel like
Get Out was all about the eyes.
641
00:25:34,065 --> 00:25:37,102
You know, you-you made
those eyes come alive.
642
00:25:37,135 --> 00:25:38,503
It felt like
that was the whole story.
643
00:25:38,536 --> 00:25:41,406
And it felt like in this,
a lot of Fred is that voice.
644
00:25:41,439 --> 00:25:43,808
Yeah, it was.
The voice was everything,
645
00:25:43,842 --> 00:25:46,645
um, in-in approaching it,
so then I was...
646
00:25:46,678 --> 00:25:49,447
When I started dialect work
with Audrey LeCrone,
647
00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:50,849
an amazing dialect coach,
648
00:25:50,882 --> 00:25:53,184
it was a real...
kind of real challenge and...
649
00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:55,186
Also, another thing was, well,
I had to really watch my voice
650
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:58,089
because I'm not, um,
classically trained.
651
00:25:58,123 --> 00:25:59,524
Well, how I arrived to acting
652
00:25:59,557 --> 00:26:01,092
-was a very raw, improv way.
-Yeah.
653
00:26:01,126 --> 00:26:04,863
And I had a tendency when I did
plays, to kind of just go "Aah!"
654
00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:07,165
And just lead with emotion,
but damage my voice.
655
00:26:07,198 --> 00:26:08,933
And I knew on this one,
I couldn't afford to.
656
00:26:08,967 --> 00:26:10,168
You know what I'm saying?
657
00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:11,636
Because you're doing
12-hour days
658
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:13,238
with just doing speeches.
659
00:26:13,271 --> 00:26:16,841
So, Audrey said, "Yo, you should
look into a singing coach."
660
00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:18,843
-So I found an opera
singing coach. -Wow.
661
00:26:18,877 --> 00:26:22,147
Met with an opera singing coach,
and then, um... and then...
662
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:23,848
Because I just... I love the way
663
00:26:23,882 --> 00:26:27,719
-opera singers commanded
the space. -Uh-huh.
664
00:26:27,752 --> 00:26:31,323
And a call. Sonically,
Chairman Fred felt like that.
665
00:26:31,356 --> 00:26:33,958
-Yeah. -You know?
How he occupied a room.
666
00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:36,328
You know, he just occupied it.
667
00:26:36,361 --> 00:26:38,730
And, um... and because
of the amount I was doing,
668
00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:40,465
I needed to engage
with my diaphragm
669
00:26:40,498 --> 00:26:42,400
and condition my vocal chords
670
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:44,636
for those kind of days,
and so, I would do gospel songs,
671
00:26:44,669 --> 00:26:47,439
and I would do songs that felt
like Chairman Fred's speeches.
672
00:26:47,472 --> 00:26:50,041
Then I'll do the speeches. And
then, I would study in cadence.
673
00:26:50,075 --> 00:26:52,477
'Cause he had a different
cadence to when he spoke
674
00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:54,279
to a different cadence
to when he did speeches.
675
00:26:54,312 --> 00:26:56,982
-Right. Right.
-And so, I'm identifying
676
00:26:57,015 --> 00:26:58,550
and defining those differences,
but also, feeling
677
00:26:58,583 --> 00:27:00,118
-like the same person.
-Uh-uh.
678
00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:02,887
It's kind of like, it was a...
There was a kind of...
679
00:27:02,921 --> 00:27:05,357
But, also, for me,
what was his speech patterns
680
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:07,559
was, like, a clue
into his thought patterns.
681
00:27:07,592 --> 00:27:09,828
Having spent all this time
embodying the man,
682
00:27:09,861 --> 00:27:12,063
researching him, living in him,
683
00:27:12,097 --> 00:27:13,932
you know,
recreating that history,
684
00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:15,734
what do you think
some of the misconceptions are
685
00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:17,669
that people have
about Fred Hampton
686
00:27:17,702 --> 00:27:18,970
that you've learned about him,
687
00:27:19,004 --> 00:27:21,906
and-and maybe has changed
in your mind, as well,
688
00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:23,675
since taking on this role?
689
00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:27,012
I was blessed enough that I
didn't have any preconceptions
690
00:27:27,045 --> 00:27:29,581
about, um, him, you know?
691
00:27:29,614 --> 00:27:30,815
And I didn't have
any preconceptions
692
00:27:30,849 --> 00:27:32,450
about the Black Panther Party.
693
00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:35,553
I just understood that other
people, in order for...
694
00:27:35,587 --> 00:27:38,490
-You know, like the white fear
dressed as hate. -Right, right.
695
00:27:38,523 --> 00:27:40,392
In order for it
to get manifested, it's like,
696
00:27:40,425 --> 00:27:43,094
"These people are,
like, killing us.
697
00:27:43,128 --> 00:27:45,063
They're terrorists.
They're like the Ku Klux Klan."
698
00:27:45,096 --> 00:27:46,798
You know, and it's that kind
of thing where, like,
699
00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:49,968
actually, I thought, like, these
people, like, had incredible,
700
00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:53,104
uncompromising love
for themselves.
701
00:27:53,138 --> 00:27:55,740
And they would... they would
guard themselves with guns
702
00:27:55,774 --> 00:27:58,043
and then guard their community
with guns, because...
703
00:27:58,076 --> 00:27:59,477
because you're trying
to kill us.
704
00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:01,646
You know, it's like if you don't
protect your family...
705
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,748
Like, say there's... someone...
a burglar comes into your house,
706
00:28:03,782 --> 00:28:05,650
and you don't protect
your family.
707
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:07,385
What are you saying
about yourself?
708
00:28:07,419 --> 00:28:09,554
And what are you saying about
how you feel about your family?
709
00:28:09,587 --> 00:28:11,222
You know, everyone understands
that scenario.
710
00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:13,625
But I think the Black community
within America,
711
00:28:13,658 --> 00:28:15,193
there's a lot happening.
712
00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:16,995
There's these people
that are occupying their spaces
713
00:28:17,028 --> 00:28:19,030
and oppressing these people,
714
00:28:19,064 --> 00:28:20,632
and Black people
around the world, you know.
715
00:28:20,665 --> 00:28:22,033
-Right, right.
-Oppressing Black people.
716
00:28:22,067 --> 00:28:25,003
If you don't stand up for
yourself, it doesn't make sense.
717
00:28:25,036 --> 00:28:26,571
It makes sense
to protect yourself.
718
00:28:26,604 --> 00:28:28,673
But it's not only
do they protect themselves.
719
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:32,177
-They loved themselves, bought
into themselves. -Mm, mm.
720
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:34,546
You know? And the protection
was just a manifestation
721
00:28:34,579 --> 00:28:37,315
of a form of love, you know?
722
00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:40,852
One-One thing that really stood
out to me in this film was
723
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:44,222
realizing
how people are connected
724
00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:45,957
around the globe
without even realizing it.
725
00:28:45,991 --> 00:28:47,892
And when you watch the story
of the Black Panthers,
726
00:28:47,926 --> 00:28:50,128
they were an
international organization.
727
00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:52,230
They were here, you know,
and they were trying to expand
728
00:28:52,263 --> 00:28:55,166
in the U.S., but they comm...
they talked to people
729
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,901
from different places
around the world and said,
730
00:28:56,935 --> 00:28:58,570
"You share a struggle
that we share,
731
00:28:58,603 --> 00:29:00,238
and we want
to do this together."
732
00:29:00,271 --> 00:29:02,974
How do you think
that has factored into, like,
733
00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:05,410
how you play these roles
and what you think about it?
734
00:29:05,443 --> 00:29:06,711
You know, when you look
735
00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:07,912
at that shared experience
around the globe...
736
00:29:07,946 --> 00:29:09,180
'Cause some people
might be like,
737
00:29:09,214 --> 00:29:10,548
"Ah, Daniel Kaluuya,
you come from England.
738
00:29:10,582 --> 00:29:12,350
You drink tea all day,
and you have a good life."
739
00:29:12,384 --> 00:29:14,352
But sometimes,
there's a disconnect,
740
00:29:14,386 --> 00:29:16,321
and I feel like the
Black Panthers understood that.
741
00:29:16,354 --> 00:29:18,657
They would connect with Black
from other places to be like,
742
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:20,158
"Yo, we are all Black,
743
00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:22,160
"and we are all experiencing
this oppression
744
00:29:22,193 --> 00:29:24,362
in a similar,
and yet different way."
745
00:29:24,396 --> 00:29:27,098
I think... I think Chairman
Fred, especially, understood
746
00:29:27,132 --> 00:29:29,601
-it was an international
struggle, you know? -Mm-hmm.
747
00:29:29,634 --> 00:29:31,569
And you see in the first speech
that he references
748
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:33,471
the Mozambique
and Frelimo fighters, you know?
749
00:29:33,505 --> 00:29:36,174
-Right, right, -He references
the struggles in Angola.
750
00:29:36,207 --> 00:29:39,244
You know, it's like, he under...
He's connecting the dots.
751
00:29:39,277 --> 00:29:41,313
You know, when I was like, um,
752
00:29:41,346 --> 00:29:44,282
his points of references were,
like, Jomo Kenyatta.
753
00:29:44,316 --> 00:29:46,918
You know, it's like... and you
can go on that kind of...
754
00:29:46,951 --> 00:29:49,254
rabbit hole and go down there
and find out all the stuff
755
00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:51,723
that's happening there
in-in terms of how to...
756
00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:53,992
battle what's happening here
and what, um,
757
00:29:54,025 --> 00:29:56,728
-sometimes what pitfalls to look
out for, you know? -Right.
758
00:29:56,761 --> 00:29:59,798
Instead of overthrowing,
actually you're just replacing
759
00:29:59,831 --> 00:30:01,666
what was there with a,
with a black face.
760
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,368
-Do you know what I'm saying?
-Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
761
00:30:03,401 --> 00:30:05,270
It's... and he said
the issue is capitalism.
762
00:30:05,303 --> 00:30:06,671
-You know? And-and so...
-Yes, yes.
763
00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:09,307
it's understanding,
understanding not... he-he...
764
00:30:09,341 --> 00:30:14,312
they saw it as a bigger, as
a macro point of view, you know?
765
00:30:14,346 --> 00:30:16,181
-Right. -And they saw it as,
like, they saw it as...
766
00:30:16,214 --> 00:30:18,083
this is a Western construct
that's kind of--
767
00:30:18,116 --> 00:30:20,819
a Western virus, it's like,
you know, it's like a pandemic,
768
00:30:20,852 --> 00:30:23,888
you know, um, what's, what's,
what's happened to Black people
769
00:30:23,922 --> 00:30:26,758
and the oppression of Black
people from white fear
770
00:30:26,791 --> 00:30:28,326
and white anxiety.
771
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,395
I hope that everyone sees
the film.
772
00:30:30,428 --> 00:30:32,897
And then I hope that everyone
who's voting sees the film,
773
00:30:32,931 --> 00:30:35,233
as well, because it deserves
every award-award possible.
774
00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:37,302
Thank you for creating it,
thank you being here.
775
00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,970
I love seeing you again,
my friend.
776
00:30:39,004 --> 00:30:40,839
Love, man.
Appreciate you, my bro.
777
00:30:40,872 --> 00:30:43,108
Don't forget, people,
Judas and the Black Messiah
778
00:30:43,141 --> 00:30:46,611
is in theaters and on HBO Max
February 12.
779
00:30:46,645 --> 00:30:48,146
All right, we're gonna take
a quick break.
780
00:30:48,179 --> 00:30:48,246
But we'll be right back
after this.
781
00:30:51,181 --> 00:30:52,782
Well, that's our show
for tonight, but before we go,
782
00:30:52,816 --> 00:30:55,185
remember this month is
Black History Month.
783
00:30:55,218 --> 00:30:57,587
So please consider supporting
an organization
784
00:30:57,621 --> 00:30:59,723
called Barbershop Books.
785
00:30:59,756 --> 00:31:03,393
They're creating child-friendly
reading spaces in barbershops
786
00:31:03,426 --> 00:31:06,563
and providing early literacy
training to barbers,
787
00:31:06,596 --> 00:31:09,799
all to inspire Black boys
and other vulnerable children
788
00:31:09,833 --> 00:31:11,535
to read for fun.
789
00:31:11,568 --> 00:31:13,703
Stay safe out there,
wear a mask,
790
00:31:13,737 --> 00:31:18,675
and remember, if you're over 75
and haven't been vaccinated,
791
00:31:18,708 --> 00:31:21,411
hit me up, girl.
792
00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:23,880
Now here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
793
00:31:23,914 --> 00:31:26,550
ANNOUNCER:
In a rut due to way too much
794
00:31:26,583 --> 00:31:29,686
quality time spent
this past year?
795
00:31:29,719 --> 00:31:34,391
Get her the one gift she's been
thinking about all year long--
796
00:31:34,424 --> 00:31:37,294
the COVID vaccine.
797
00:31:37,327 --> 00:31:39,396
MAN:
Oh, yeah!
798
00:31:39,429 --> 00:31:43,366
ANNOUNCER: Spend the day
romantically six feet apart,
799
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,335
waiting in line.
800
00:31:45,368 --> 00:31:48,538
Enjoy as the doctor...
sticks it in.
801
00:31:48,572 --> 00:31:50,307
(woman moans)
802
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:52,676
She'll be begging you for more.
803
00:31:52,709 --> 00:31:55,645
Since it's technically
a two-dose vaccine.
804
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:59,749
This year, V Day stands
for "vaccine."
805
00:31:59,783 --> 00:32:02,652
Book now.
806
00:32:02,686 --> 00:32:02,752
Because it takes really long
to get an appointment.