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Hey, what's going on,
everybody? I'm Trevor Noah,
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and this is The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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Today is March 17,
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which means
it's Saint Patrick's Day.
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Yes. It's the day
Irish people say,
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"Kiss me, I'm Irish"
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and people respond,
"No, you're not,
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Governor Cuomo. Stop that!"
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And please remember
we're still in a pandemic.
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So, if you're gonna celebrate,
do it safely
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by puking on a stranger
from at least six feet away.
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Anyway, on tonight's show,
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how to escape a Zoom meeting,
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the gritty origin story
of the filibuster,
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and we're gonna talk
about what happened in Atlanta.
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So, let's do this, people.
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Welcome to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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ANNOUNCER: From Trevor's couch
in New York City
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to your couch
somewhere in the world, this is
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The Daily Social Distancing Show
with Trevor Noah.
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Let's kick things off
with the Bible.
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It's God's
spicy, tell-all memoir.
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And now, thanks to
an amazing archaeological find,
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we're learning more about some
of the Bible's early drafts.
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An amazing discovery now.
In Israel,
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ancient fragments
of biblical text
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dating back almost 2,000 years
were just found.
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NEWSMAN: An unprecedented survey
of nearly 50 miles
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of cliffside desert caves
near the Dead Sea
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led archaeologists
to the so-called Cave of Horror
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and the roughly 80 new pieces
of biblical text.
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NEWSMAN 2:
It's called the Cave of Horror,
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and it's easy to see why
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given the only way
for archaeologists to access it
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is by rappelling
down the side of a sheer cliff.
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The scroll fragments are small,
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some miniscule,
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but big enough
to still draw wisdom from
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says Dr. Oren Ableman,
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who reads
one of the uncovered passages.
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Uh, "These are the things
you are to do.
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"Speak the truth to one another,
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"render true and perfect justice
in your gates
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and do not contrive evil
against one another."
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"Speak the truth
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and do not contrive evil
against one another."
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Wow. That's really beautiful.
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Though, I-I will admit,
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I don't know if it was worth,
you know,
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rappelling down a sheer cliff
into a Cave of Horrors for.
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Like, if I'm going down
into a cave,
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I want to find a treasure chest
or the secret to eternal life,
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not a piece of paper
that says "Don't lie."
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I already knew that!
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I mean, Barney taught me that.
Come on.
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But still, man, it's so amazing
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how much wisdom there is
from that era.
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You know?
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It actually makes me wonder
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how future generations
are gonna see us.
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Because I don't think we're
gonna be as profound to them.
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We have no lessons
to teach them.
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"We have found a tweet
from the ancients.
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"It says,
'Boys be acting all tough,
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"but then they want to snuggle
after they bust.'
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Let us build our society
around this."
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You know, what's also cool
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is that they found something
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You know, because a lot
of random Bible verses
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are pretty complicated.
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If you find the wrong one,
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it doesn't, like, actually
mean anything on its own.
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You know? "Abraham begat Isaac"
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or "The length of the wall
was 50 cubits"
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or "Thou shalt not
commit adultery.'
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What does that even mean?
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Moving on to technology news.
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By now,
we're all familiar with Zoom.
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Very familiar with Zoom.
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It's the only piece
of new technology
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that actually makes you prefer
a phone call.
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Because as useful
as this app has been,
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it's also been...
Um, how should I put this?
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Uh, a living nightmare? Yeah?
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Which is why a lot of people
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will be looking forward
to this update.
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A Brooklyn-based web developer
has created a new tool
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for people sick
of sitting on Zoom calls.
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He calls it the Zoom Escaper.
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He says it allows you
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to "make your presence
unbearable to others
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by sabotaging
your audio stream."
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The Escaper
not only mimics technical issues
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like delayed audio or echoes.
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It can also recreate
annoying background sounds
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like crying babies
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That's right.
There's a new version of Zoom
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that has technical issues
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and annoying background noise
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I mean,
which I thought was just Zoom,
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but still, this is a great idea.
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An app
that makes crying baby sounds
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so that you can leave a meeting.
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And, I mean,
that's good news for all of us.
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Except for any new parents
out there,
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because now you guys
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(laughs)
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So, look,
I think this new feature's
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gonna be pretty popular.
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I mean,
it's definitely a better way
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to get kicked off Zoom
than how Jeffrey Toobin did it.
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And it's much more believable
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than my old tactic.
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Oh, no, everybody.
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I'm sinking in quicksand.
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Ah, the quicksand.
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Ah, see you guys Thursday.
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(mumbling)
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But let's move on now
to our main story:
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the filibuster.
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And before you say,
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"Oh, that is
some boring Senate rule.
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What the (bleep) does that
have to do with me, Trevor?"
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First of all,
please do not curse on my show.
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There's no need to be crude.
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And secondly,
it actually has to do
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with pretty much everything
right now.
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Like,
think of all the big issues
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that President Biden
wants to tackle.
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Voter suppression,
protecting unions,
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immigration reform,
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finding out who snitched
on his dog Major.
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Right now, Senate Republicans
can block Joe Biden
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from doing any of that stuff.
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Which is why now Biden is saying
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he wants to shake things up.
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For the first time
in his presidency,
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President Biden
is making the case
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for not eliminating
but reforming
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the Senate, uh,
legislative filibuster.
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You've been reluctant
to do away with the filibuster.
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Aren't you gonna have to choose
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between preserving
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-and advancing your agenda?
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But here's the choice.
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I don't think you have
to eliminate the filibuster.
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You have to do it
what it used to be
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when I first got to the Senate
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With a filibuster, you had to
stand up and command the floor.
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And you had to keep talking on.
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So, you got to work
for the filibuster.
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So, you're for that reform.
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You're for bringing back
the talking filibuster.
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I am. That's what
it was supposed to be.
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It almost is getting
to the point where there's...
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You know, democracy's
having a hard time functioning.
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That's right. Biden doesn't want
to stop the filibuster entirely.
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He just wants to slow it down.
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Kind of like how they try
and slow drivers down
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with those little speed bumps
that they installed
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around my neighborhood's
elementary school.
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At least,
I think those are speed bumps.
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And this may seem
like a small change,
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but making things
just a little more annoying
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could actually make
a big difference.
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I mean, think about it.
We buy stuff online
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because we can get it
in one click.
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But when you actually have
to go down to the store,
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then all of a sudden,
you're like,
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"Man, where...
Ah, I have to find my keys.
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"You know what? I don't
need that heart medicine.
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I'll be fine."
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But the question is
how did the filibuster
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become the legislation buster
that it is today?
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Well, let's find out
in another episode
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of If You Don't Know,
Now You Know.
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Let's start with the simplest
explanation of the filibuster.
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It's basically a loophole
in the Senate rules
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for blocking legislation
because even though
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you only need 51 votes
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you need 60 votes
to stop the debate
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over voting on that bill
in the first place.
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Which means
as long as the minority party
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can keep "debating,"
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then the bill is basically dead.
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And if you're wondering,
"Why on earth
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would the founding fathers
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Well, they didn't.
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The filibuster began
as a historical accident.
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It's not some great tradition
in the Senate
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that's protected
by the Constitution.
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It happened in 1805
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after Aaron Burr
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NEWSMAN: Aaron Burr, as vice
president in the early 1800s,
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was going over
these rules of the Senate,
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and he made a critical mistake.
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He thought,
"We don't really need a way
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"I mean,
there's just a few of us.
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"Like, we will debate
until we're done,
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"till everyone's had their say.
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How slow
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NEWSMAN 2:
Nobody knew it at the time.
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It'd be three more decades
before the first filibuster
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was actually mounted,
but that was the moment
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the Senate
created the filibuster.
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That's right. The filibuster
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isn't in the Constitution.
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It's just a rule
that was made up
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by that guy
who shot Lin-Manuel Miranda.
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And it didn't seen start out
as a way to block legislation.
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It was a way for the Senate
to keep debate open,
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not to debate for so long
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that nobody could ever
actually vote on a bill.
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So, its original purpose
is completely different
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from what people decided
to use it for later on.
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It's insane.
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It's sort of like
how Facebook was invented
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as a way to see which
of your classmates were hot
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and then years later
became a way
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to organize a lynch mob
for Mike Pence.
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Who, by the way, is hot.
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And you might wonder
why senators back then
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would want to risk having
an endless debate.
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But don't forget, guys,
in the 1800s,
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there wasn't
anything better to do.
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I mean, it was either listen
to Thaddeus talk about a bill
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or take a bumpy carriage ride
back to your plantation,
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where a bunch of Black people
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wanted to discuss
their terms of employment.
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You're probably gonna want to
hear what Thaddeus has to say.
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Either way, eventually,
senators realized
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that they could block
legislation by debating forever.
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And that could get
pretty ridiculous,
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because there was no rule
on what counted as a debate.
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So senators came up
with all kinds of random ways
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to fill that time,
which led to moments like this.
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NEWSMAN:
Louisiana Democrat Huey Long
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filibustered several bills.
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In arguing against a bill,
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he recited recipes
for salad dressing
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and discussed at length
the best way to fry oysters.
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His most famous filibuster
was on June 12, 1935.
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He was able to speak
without stop
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for 15 hours and 30 minutes.
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Running out of things to say
about the bill,
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he offered to give advice on
any subject someone requested.
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Yep. In 1935,
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this white dude rambled on
about nothing
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for over 15 hours,
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and, somehow,
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he gets zero credit
for inventing the podcast.
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So unfair.
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But the Senate is crazy, man.
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This guy got on the floor
and talked for 15 hours
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about oysters
and salad dressing.
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I mean,
they should make it a rule
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that you at least have to try
to connect your speech
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to the bill that you're supposed
to be debating.
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"I guarantee this salad dressing
is delicious,
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"but you know what doesn't leave
a good taste in my mouth?
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Letting women wear pants."
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But, still, I'm not gonna lie,
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it's impressive that
he could talk for that long.
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That shit is hard.
I can't even think of 20 seconds
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of stuff to talk about
to a coworker in an elevator.
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-(Muzak playing)
-So, going to floor nine, huh?
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(chuckles)
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Yeah. How's this weather
we're having?
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So much weather.
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(exhales)
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I think
I-I'm just gonna get out here.
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(grunts)
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-(thud) -I will say though,
it makes sense
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that senators are so good
at filibustering,
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because most of them
are grandparents.
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Don't forget that.
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Visit your granddad
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and see if he doesn't take
three hours
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to tell you a story
that happened in 20 minutes.
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"You're filibustering, Grandpa!"
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But it wasn't until
the late 1950s
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that the filibuster started
to become more common.
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And what cause was so inspiring
to senators at that time
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that they just had to stand up
and speak for hours?
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Being racist.
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NEWSMAN:
For a few decades,
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the filibuster was used
but pretty sparingly.
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Then the Senate
starts to consider
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civil rights legislation,
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and Southern senators
really hate this.
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But they don't have the votes
to actually defeat the bills,
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so they start using
the filibuster.
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NEWSMAN 2: It became a tool
that Southern senators used
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to prevent
the federal government
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from intervening
in racial segregation.
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NEWSMAN 3:
Perhaps the most famous one
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was when South Carolina's
Strom Thurmond
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took the floor against
the 1957 Civil Rights Act.
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NEWSWOMAN: Thurmond
notoriously read the phone book,
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clocking in
at more than 24 hours,
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to try to block
a 1957 civil rights bill.
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How did you last 24 hours?
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You never left the Senate floor.
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I had gone down
to the Senate bath
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for three or four days
beforehand
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-and dried out my body.
-In the sauna?
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Yeah, so I wouldn't be tempted
to go to the bathroom.
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(both chuckle)
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And so... and-and so I was able
to do that.
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(chuckles)
Oh, Strom,
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you are too much.
(laughs)
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And when I think
about all those Black people
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who suffered because of you.
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(laughing)
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(scream-laughing)
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Yo, for real, man--
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how gross was that story?
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This guy dried out his body
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to help him filibuster?
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You know someone
is committed to racism
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when they're willing
to jerky themselves for it.
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And it really is amazing
what humans can accomplish
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when confronted
with their worst fears.
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Just as a mother will be able
to lift a car
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off of the ground
to save her child,
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a racist senator
will suddenly be able
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to speak for days at a time
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only if it will stop a Black
person from using his bathroom.
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I mean, the filibuster was used
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to block Black people
so many times,
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I'm surprised
they never use it at nightclubs.
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"Uh, uh-oh. A Black guy.
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"Hey, before I let you in,
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"have I ever told you
about my salad dressing?
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"Two tablespoons of lemon juice,
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"a pinch of rosemary.
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"And what you want to try and do
is make sure the--
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Okay, he's gone. All right."
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Now, eventually,
the Senate decided
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that all of these talkathons
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were slowing things down
too much.
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So, in 1975,
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they made what they thought was
a small adjustment to the rules.
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Instead of having to speak,
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a senator could just announce
that they planned to speak.
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And unless there were 60 votes
to prevent them,
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the filibuster
would be considered successful.
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And that actually worked
for a while,
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until two things happened:
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America elected
a Black president
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and a Senate minority leader
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who was willing
to do anything to stop him.
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NEWSMAN: The practice became
an art form for Republicans
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under Minority Leader
Mitch McConnell.
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During the Obama years,
McConnell impeded nominees
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and legislation left and right--
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he has the nickname
"the Grim Reaper" for a reason.
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NEWSMAN 2: Today, it's being
used in a different way.
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It's being used to, effectively,
kill a measure, a bill,
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a proposal that the minority
really doesn't like.
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NEWSMAN 3: In fact,
there have been more filibusters
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during Obama's time in office
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than in the '50s, '60s,
and '70s combined.
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Over the entire history
of the Senate,
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before President Obama,
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just 68 judicial and executive
branch nominees were blocked
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and required cloture,
which ends a filibuster
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and forces an up or down vote.
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By contrast,
79 of President Obama's nominees
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required cloture
from 2009 to 2013 alone.
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NEWSMAN 4:
Republicans used the filibuster
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against virtually
every controversial bill
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and nomination and some that
weren't controversial at all.
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Mitch McConnell has
the devious distinction
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of being
the only sitting senator
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that filibustered his own bill.
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Goddamn.
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Mitch McConnell loves
to filibuster so much,
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he filibustered his own bill.
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And he had to get four ribs
removed to be able to do it.
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The man is sick.
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But, yes,
once Obama became president,
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McConnell began filibustering
everything.
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Obama wanted to appoint a judge,
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McConnell blocked it.
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Obama wanted to pass a bill,
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McConnell stopped him.
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Obama wanted to watch something
on Netflix,
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McConnell hid the remote
in his neck folds.
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"Mah, I haven't seen it
anywhere.
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Mah, maybe you should read
a book. Mah."
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And once McConnell decided
to block Obama's entire agenda,
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that became the new precedent.
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You know?
When Democrats got the chance,
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they blocked President Trump's
agenda just as hard,
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to the point where now
practically every piece
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of legislation in the Senate
needs 60 votes to pass.
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And that's why
there's a movement
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to get rid of the filibuster
entirely.
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Because it's not healthy
for a democracy
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if the losers can always block
the winners
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from passing their agenda.
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Now, the Democrats
don't have the votes right now
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to kill the filibuster
completely.
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But based
on Joe Biden's interview,
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it seems like
they may be willing
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to make it more annoying again,
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which won't stop filibusters
from happening,
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but at least we'll finally get
to find out
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what Mitch McConnell uses
in his salad dressing.
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"Eh, so what you want is
the tears of poor people,
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"mah, and then you want
to grind it up
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with oppression. Mah."
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So, that's the filibuster.
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And if you don't know,
now you know.
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All right, when we come back,
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the multitalented Cynthia Erivo
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will talk to me about portraying
the Queen of Soul,
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and we'll be chatting
about what happened in Atlanta.
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So stick around.
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Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
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There's something else
in the news
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that we unfortunately have
to talk about:
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last night's horrific
mass shooting in Georgia.
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NEWSWOMAN: This morning,
police are investigating
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a string of deadly shootings
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at three massage parlors
in and around Atlanta.
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In all,
eight people were killed.
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Officials say six of them
are believed to be Asian women.
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Police have arrested
one suspect,
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21-year-old Robert Aaron Long.
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Officials
are not releasing a motive,
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but the shootings come at a time
of increased hate crimes
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targeting Asian Americans
across the country.
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In a statement, the group
Stop AAPI Hate calls it
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an unspeakable tragedy, writing,
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"This latest attack
will only exacerbate
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"the fear and pain that
the Asian American community
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continues to endure."
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It's worth noting, we-we talked
about the motivation there
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for a moment, um,
that the suspect said
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that it was not
racially motivated,
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that perhaps it had to do
with some sexual addiction
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and he was trying
to take out, uh,
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what he thought was
the cause of that.
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He does claim that
it was not racially motivated.
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He apparently has an issue,
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uh, what he considers
a-a sex addiction,
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and sees these locations
as something
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that allows him to... to, um...
to go to these places,
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and... and it's a temptation
that he wanted to eliminate.
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He-He understood,
um, the gravity of it.
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And he was pretty much fed up,
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and had been kind of
at the end of his rope,
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and, um... and yesterday was
a really bad day for him.
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And this is what he did.
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This is truly horrifying.
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Eight people dead,
six of them Asian women.
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And soon, we'll learn all about
them and who they were in life,
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but all we know right now is
that they are dead,
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and a 21-year-old white man
with a gun killed them.
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And...
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what's been...
sad about the story is
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not just the loss of life,
but all of the auxiliary things
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that have been happening
around the story.
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You know?
Like one of the first things
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that's been
the most frustrating for me
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is seeing the shooter say,
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"Oh, it wasn't racism,
it was sex addiction."
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First of all, (bleep) you, man.
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You killed six Asian people.
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Specifically, you went there.
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If there's anyone who's racist,
it's a mother(bleep)
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Who kills six Asian women.
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Your murders speaks louder
than your words.
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Six Asian women were killed.
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And you know, in a way, what
makes it even more painful is
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that we saw it coming.
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We see these things happening.
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People have been warning.
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People in the Asian community
have been tweeting.
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They've been saying,
"Please, help us.
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"We're getting punched
in the streets.
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00:18:26,705 --> 00:18:28,840
"We're getting slurs
literally written on our doors.
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00:18:28,873 --> 00:18:31,209
"We're getting people coming up
to us just saying,
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"'Thanks for...
thanks for COVID.
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Thanks for spoiling the world.'"
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We've seen this happening.
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And while we're fighting for it,
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there are many people
who have been like,
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"Oh, stop being
so woke and so dramatic.
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"Kung flu. Come on.
Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha.
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00:18:43,255 --> 00:18:44,456
Ha, ha, ha. It's just a joke."
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Yeah, yeah, it's a joke
that has come
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00:18:46,358 --> 00:18:49,261
at one of the most tense times
in human history.
499
00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:51,696
You knew that something
like this could happen.
500
00:18:51,730 --> 00:18:52,931
If you just apply your mind,
501
00:18:52,964 --> 00:18:55,066
you know
that it's going to happen.
502
00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:57,335
This guy didn't go
and kill these women by mistake.
503
00:18:57,369 --> 00:19:00,205
It wasn't a... It's like,
he-he knew what he was doing.
504
00:19:00,238 --> 00:19:02,007
And it's so frustrating
505
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,677
to see this keep happening
in America over and over again.
506
00:19:05,710 --> 00:19:07,412
America sees things coming.
507
00:19:07,445 --> 00:19:09,381
It knows
something is going to happen,
508
00:19:09,414 --> 00:19:11,516
but it does nothing to stop it.
509
00:19:11,549 --> 00:19:13,885
But then it's all,
all, all in, on saying,
510
00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:15,420
"Oh, so tragic, oh, so...
511
00:19:15,453 --> 00:19:17,155
Who could have predicted
this tragedy?"
512
00:19:17,188 --> 00:19:18,823
Anyone
who was looking at it could.
513
00:19:18,857 --> 00:19:21,092
Why are people so invested
514
00:19:21,126 --> 00:19:24,529
in solving the symptoms
instead of the cause?
515
00:19:24,563 --> 00:19:27,766
America does this
time and time again.
516
00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,368
A country that wants
to fight the symptoms
517
00:19:30,402 --> 00:19:31,736
and not
the underlying conditions
518
00:19:31,770 --> 00:19:34,306
that cause those symptoms
to take effect.
519
00:19:35,874 --> 00:19:39,177
Racism, misogyny, gun violence,
mental illness, and honestly,
520
00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:41,346
this incident might have been
all of those things combined,
521
00:19:41,379 --> 00:19:43,148
because it doesn't have
to be one thing on its own.
522
00:19:43,181 --> 00:19:46,184
America has a rich tapestry
of mass shooting motivations.
523
00:19:46,217 --> 00:19:48,687
But whatever you do,
please don't tell me
524
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,822
that this thing had nothing
to do with race.
525
00:19:50,855 --> 00:19:52,691
Even if the shooter says that.
526
00:19:52,724 --> 00:19:55,427
He thinks it had to do
with his sex addiction.
527
00:19:55,460 --> 00:19:57,128
You can't disconnect
this violence
528
00:19:57,162 --> 00:20:00,298
from the racial stereotypes that
people attach to Asian women.
529
00:20:00,332 --> 00:20:04,803
This guy blamed a specific race
of people for his problems,
530
00:20:04,836 --> 00:20:07,105
and then murdered them
because of it.
531
00:20:07,138 --> 00:20:10,675
If that's not racism,
then the word has no meaning.
532
00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:16,681
And as if the violence, as if
the-the trauma isn't enough,
533
00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:18,883
the-the part
that breaks my brain--
534
00:20:18,917 --> 00:20:21,319
and I think so many people
get affected by this as well,
535
00:20:21,353 --> 00:20:23,989
because it feels like you're
crazy when you're watching it--
536
00:20:24,022 --> 00:20:27,158
is where you see
the police officer come out,
537
00:20:27,192 --> 00:20:30,262
and almost trying
to humanize the shooter
538
00:20:30,295 --> 00:20:32,297
more than the people
who got shot.
539
00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:34,466
"He was at the end of his rope.
540
00:20:34,499 --> 00:20:36,067
It-it was a bad day for him."
541
00:20:36,101 --> 00:20:37,669
For him?
542
00:20:37,702 --> 00:20:39,571
Yo, yesterday was a bad day
for him?
543
00:20:39,604 --> 00:20:41,072
No, yesterday was a bad day
544
00:20:41,106 --> 00:20:44,009
for all the people
who lost their lives.
545
00:20:44,042 --> 00:20:45,277
"It's a bad day for..."
546
00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:46,511
It's-it's always interesting
547
00:20:46,544 --> 00:20:49,481
who police try
and find the humanity in.
548
00:20:49,514 --> 00:20:50,615
Like, I can guarantee you,
549
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:51,983
if a black person
or brown person went
550
00:20:52,017 --> 00:20:53,585
on a mass killing spree
in a white neighborhood,
551
00:20:53,618 --> 00:20:56,288
not a (bleep) would a police
officer go on TV and say,
552
00:20:56,321 --> 00:20:58,089
"well, he was kind of
at the end of his rope,
553
00:20:58,123 --> 00:20:59,624
and-and this is what they did."
554
00:20:59,658 --> 00:21:02,127
They barely have patience
for black protesters
555
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,162
who are not killing anybody.
556
00:21:04,195 --> 00:21:08,199
And the frustrating thing is,
that it did not have to happen.
557
00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:10,335
It does not have to happen.
558
00:21:10,368 --> 00:21:12,003
From the top to the bottom,
the politicians
559
00:21:12,037 --> 00:21:14,005
who are gonna cry now
and say, "Oh, we're so sorry,"
560
00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:15,540
yeah, but when it's happening.
561
00:21:15,574 --> 00:21:18,009
When politicians are out there
saying, "Kung Flu,"
562
00:21:18,043 --> 00:21:20,478
and all of this,
what are we doing then?
563
00:21:22,647 --> 00:21:24,983
We can all do something
to try and fight against this.
564
00:21:25,016 --> 00:21:27,018
We can't stop every evil person.
Please, I'm not saying that.
565
00:21:27,052 --> 00:21:28,186
Oh, somebody's gonna be like,
566
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:29,487
"Oh,
there's always gonna be evil."
567
00:21:29,521 --> 00:21:30,722
Yeah, but you know
what we can try and do
568
00:21:30,755 --> 00:21:32,157
is create an environment
569
00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:34,526
where we're not letting
specific people be targeted
570
00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,561
because
of the color of their skin.
571
00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:40,732
In this instance,
find an anti-hate organization.
572
00:21:40,765 --> 00:21:42,200
Try and work with them.
573
00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:43,768
Reach out to people
who need support.
574
00:21:43,802 --> 00:21:45,904
Donate your money, donate
your time, whatever you can,
575
00:21:45,937 --> 00:21:47,639
but do something.
576
00:21:47,672 --> 00:21:49,774
And most importantly,
577
00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:53,178
let's try
to (bleep) pay attention
578
00:21:53,211 --> 00:21:56,181
so that it doesn't happen again.
579
00:21:56,214 --> 00:21:59,751
Because the truth is,
we could see this coming.
580
00:22:00,752 --> 00:22:00,819
We'll be right back.
581
00:22:03,688 --> 00:22:05,623
Welcome back to The Daily
Social Distancing Show.
582
00:22:05,656 --> 00:22:08,459
Earlier today,
I spoke with Tony, Emmy
583
00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:12,663
and Grammy-winning actor
and singer Cynthia Erivo.
584
00:22:12,697 --> 00:22:15,400
We talked about what it was
like portraying Aretha Franklin
585
00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:17,835
in her upcoming
anthology series
586
00:22:17,869 --> 00:22:21,239
and how she's been keeping busy
during this pandemic.
587
00:22:21,272 --> 00:22:25,676
? They don't know that
I would leave you if I could ?
588
00:22:28,713 --> 00:22:31,883
? I guess I'm uptight ?
589
00:22:31,916 --> 00:22:35,153
? And I'm stuck like glue ?
590
00:22:35,186 --> 00:22:37,822
? 'Cause I ain't never ?
591
00:22:37,855 --> 00:22:39,857
? I ain't never ?
592
00:22:39,891 --> 00:22:42,860
? I ain't never, no, no ?
593
00:22:42,894 --> 00:22:44,562
? Loved a man ?
594
00:22:44,595 --> 00:22:46,998
? The way that I ?
595
00:22:47,031 --> 00:22:50,401
? I love you... ?
596
00:22:50,435 --> 00:22:54,205
Cynthia Erivo, welcome to The
Daily Social Distancing Show.
597
00:22:54,238 --> 00:22:56,074
Thank you. (laughs)
598
00:22:56,107 --> 00:22:59,877
Um, of all the human beings
I encounter in my life,
599
00:22:59,911 --> 00:23:04,916
you are one
who I am not eager to see again,
600
00:23:04,949 --> 00:23:07,752
because every time I see you,
601
00:23:07,785 --> 00:23:09,387
you've achieved
yet another thing.
602
00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:10,722
And so it puts the pressure
on me
603
00:23:10,755 --> 00:23:12,190
to have a thing to talk about.
604
00:23:12,223 --> 00:23:13,691
Like, before this interview,
I was like,
605
00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:15,727
maybe I should have a child
just so that when I talk to you,
606
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,161
I go,
"Oh, Cynthia what's happened
607
00:23:17,195 --> 00:23:18,663
since the last time we spoke?"
608
00:23:18,696 --> 00:23:21,032
And then you go,
"Well, Trevor, I won a Grammy."
609
00:23:21,065 --> 00:23:23,401
And then I go,
"Well, I have a child."
610
00:23:23,434 --> 00:23:25,737
But I have... I have nothing
of the sort.
611
00:23:25,770 --> 00:23:27,705
So, um, congratulations on...
612
00:23:27,739 --> 00:23:31,542
You have an Emmy, you have
a Grammy, you have a Tony.
613
00:23:31,576 --> 00:23:34,712
You are one short of being
the youngest EGOT winner ever.
614
00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:36,080
Do you ever take a moment
615
00:23:36,114 --> 00:23:38,383
to look at your own life,
and just go, "Wow"?
616
00:23:38,416 --> 00:23:39,951
I've been...
I've been doing that
617
00:23:39,984 --> 00:23:42,019
over this time that we've had.
618
00:23:42,053 --> 00:23:43,888
Like, stopping and making sure
619
00:23:43,921 --> 00:23:47,258
that I, like, embrace
what's happening in the moment.
620
00:23:47,291 --> 00:23:49,560
'Cause I've not been very good
at that previously,
621
00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:51,929
but because things...
because things happened so fast.
622
00:23:51,963 --> 00:23:54,732
Um, and I've sort of...
623
00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:58,036
Sometimes it's kind of, "What on
earth and how did I get here,
624
00:23:58,069 --> 00:24:00,204
"and when did this happen,
and was I awake for it all,
625
00:24:00,238 --> 00:24:01,939
and did I miss something?"
626
00:24:01,973 --> 00:24:04,709
That's how it feels
a lot of the time, yeah.
627
00:24:04,742 --> 00:24:07,311
I remember watching you
in The Color Purple.
628
00:24:07,345 --> 00:24:10,448
And I remember the whole time
it was almost distracting,
629
00:24:10,481 --> 00:24:12,917
'cause I was like,
"Who is this human being?"
630
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:14,919
And everyone has said that
about your singing,
631
00:24:14,952 --> 00:24:18,256
about your performances,
about how much you put into it.
632
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:20,258
We see you when
you're on screen, we see you...
633
00:24:20,291 --> 00:24:21,993
I mean, now, you're playing
634
00:24:22,026 --> 00:24:25,296
Aretha Franklin in the new
Nat Geo series Genius.
635
00:24:25,329 --> 00:24:28,966
And I mean again,
you embody this person.
636
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,070
You embody her songs,
you embody her work.
637
00:24:32,103 --> 00:24:36,541
Do you think that Aretha being
such a big influence
638
00:24:36,574 --> 00:24:37,975
in your life is a big reason
639
00:24:38,009 --> 00:24:40,044
that you play her
the way that you do?
640
00:24:40,078 --> 00:24:41,979
I think so. Yeah, for sure.
641
00:24:42,013 --> 00:24:44,749
I think that she's so singular.
642
00:24:44,782 --> 00:24:46,017
There was so...
there was something
643
00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:48,586
so very individual about her.
644
00:24:48,619 --> 00:24:53,257
And that sounds so...
plain to say,
645
00:24:53,291 --> 00:24:55,860
but-but
there aren't very many people
646
00:24:55,893 --> 00:24:57,562
who you are like, "That's her."
647
00:24:57,595 --> 00:24:59,697
-There's no one else like her.
-Ah, yes.
648
00:24:59,731 --> 00:25:02,033
When you hear her voice,
"Must be her."
649
00:25:02,066 --> 00:25:03,568
You... There's something
she'll do.
650
00:25:03,601 --> 00:25:04,902
The way
she'll-she'll take a breath
651
00:25:04,936 --> 00:25:06,237
before she sings the next note.
652
00:25:06,270 --> 00:25:07,472
That's an Aretha thing.
653
00:25:07,505 --> 00:25:08,806
And then,
when we were learning music,
654
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,843
more and more as I learned,
um, songs,
655
00:25:11,876 --> 00:25:14,512
the thing that she would always
do is just whenever...
656
00:25:14,545 --> 00:25:15,947
Whenever she
was performing live,
657
00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:18,049
she would just sing
whatever she felt like singing,
658
00:25:18,082 --> 00:25:19,417
-however she felt like singing.
-Wow.
659
00:25:19,450 --> 00:25:21,519
There's melody, and then
there's how Aretha sings it.
660
00:25:21,552 --> 00:25:23,254
-That's what happened.
-Wow.
661
00:25:23,287 --> 00:25:26,324
What I was learning when I was
learning all her music is that.
662
00:25:26,357 --> 00:25:28,359
The... this is
how Aretha sings it.
663
00:25:28,393 --> 00:25:31,396
You know, you hear,
uh, "Border Song,"
664
00:25:31,429 --> 00:25:33,197
which is originally
by Elton John, and you think,
665
00:25:33,231 --> 00:25:35,166
well, Aretha doesn't sing
like that.
666
00:25:35,199 --> 00:25:37,535
And when Aretha sings it, it's
a completely different song.
667
00:25:37,568 --> 00:25:40,905
-Yes. Yes.
-It's the power she has.
668
00:25:40,938 --> 00:25:44,575
It's the idea that she has
this really wonderful ability
669
00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:49,113
to... to communicate a feeling
and an emotion
670
00:25:49,147 --> 00:25:51,816
through a song, and she...
it's like speaking to people.
671
00:25:51,849 --> 00:25:53,484
It's like a language
that she speaks,
672
00:25:53,518 --> 00:25:55,553
and that's something that,
for me,
673
00:25:55,586 --> 00:25:58,389
has really influenced
how I perform, what I...
674
00:25:58,423 --> 00:26:00,525
what I sing
when I choose to sing,
675
00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:02,727
-how I sing...
-Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
676
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,530
Because it really is about,
first and foremost,
677
00:26:05,563 --> 00:26:08,032
communication, Trevor, you know?
678
00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:10,401
And-and... just...
679
00:26:10,435 --> 00:26:13,671
you know, she was also afraid of
being imperfect when she sang.
680
00:26:13,705 --> 00:26:15,273
-Right. -There were times
she'd fall off a riff,
681
00:26:15,306 --> 00:26:17,475
and it wasn't...
but it still was
682
00:26:17,508 --> 00:26:20,945
the perfect thing to have done
in that moment, you know?
683
00:26:20,978 --> 00:26:22,947
See, that just...
And I've been listening to her
684
00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:24,882
for such a long time
that I have...
685
00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:27,318
like it's imprinted on my...
like, in my head.
686
00:26:27,351 --> 00:26:29,087
It... Yeah.
687
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,388
(audio breaks up)
688
00:26:30,421 --> 00:26:31,556
I feel it.
689
00:26:31,589 --> 00:26:33,291
I'd love to know,
when you're singing Aretha,
690
00:26:33,324 --> 00:26:35,326
because you-you...
you're one of those people
691
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,228
where you have that talent
where I know what you sound like
692
00:26:37,261 --> 00:26:39,263
when you sing, but then
you can sing like other people
693
00:26:39,297 --> 00:26:41,199
when they sing, and so,
I mean, that for me is,
694
00:26:41,232 --> 00:26:42,533
like, an insane talent.
695
00:26:42,567 --> 00:26:44,602
I mean, singing was already,
like, the hardest thing to do.
696
00:26:44,635 --> 00:26:47,638
But then you can sing like
another good person can sing.
697
00:26:47,672 --> 00:26:48,973
'Cause I can sing
like my uncle can sing,
698
00:26:49,006 --> 00:26:50,408
but that's not an achievement.
699
00:26:50,441 --> 00:26:53,244
You can sing
like Aretha Franklin can sing.
700
00:26:53,277 --> 00:26:56,414
I'd love to know, like,
in a technical sense,
701
00:26:56,447 --> 00:26:59,016
-Yeah. -what are you doing
when you're doing that?
702
00:26:59,050 --> 00:27:02,987
Like, how hard is it
to sing like another singer,
703
00:27:03,021 --> 00:27:05,690
and are you trying
to completely mimic Aretha,
704
00:27:05,723 --> 00:27:07,892
or are you trying to bring
something that is different
705
00:27:07,925 --> 00:27:09,560
to Aretha singing
in that moment?
706
00:27:09,594 --> 00:27:11,696
Like, I'd love to know
what you're trying to do
707
00:27:11,729 --> 00:27:12,997
when you are portraying Aretha
708
00:27:13,031 --> 00:27:14,365
and when you're singing
the songs,
709
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:16,300
-'cause you are singing them.
-Yeah, so, um,
710
00:27:16,334 --> 00:27:18,336
I have an amazing vocal coach
with me.
711
00:27:18,369 --> 00:27:21,572
Her name's Antea Birchette.
Antea Joy Birchette.
712
00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:23,608
And we would sit
and listen to each song,
713
00:27:23,641 --> 00:27:26,344
about an hour, an hour or two,
and just break it down...
714
00:27:26,377 --> 00:27:27,678
-(sings quietly)
-Wow!
715
00:27:27,712 --> 00:27:31,182
Um, so that you would hear all
of the choices she was making.
716
00:27:31,215 --> 00:27:33,151
Um, I'll pick a song.
717
00:27:33,184 --> 00:27:36,387
Uh, when we would do...
Okay, I'll pick "Border Song,"
718
00:27:36,421 --> 00:27:37,789
'cause it's an easy one.
719
00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:39,123
Um...
720
00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:42,326
The-the basic, uh, melody is...
721
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,064
? Holy Moses,
I have been deceived ?
722
00:27:46,097 --> 00:27:50,401
? I've seen the spectre,
he has been here, too. ?
723
00:27:50,435 --> 00:27:54,472
She does...
? Holy Moses ?
724
00:27:54,505 --> 00:27:56,908
? I have been removed ?
725
00:27:56,941 --> 00:27:59,911
? I've seen the spectre ?
726
00:27:59,944 --> 00:28:03,081
? He has been here, too ?
727
00:28:03,114 --> 00:28:05,750
? Distant cousin
from down the line ?
728
00:28:05,783 --> 00:28:09,987
? Brand of people
who ain't my kind ?
729
00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:12,357
? Holy Moses ?
730
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:16,327
? I have been removed. ?
731
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:18,429
It's-it's, uh...
it's the space...
732
00:28:18,463 --> 00:28:19,697
So you're just gonna carry on
733
00:28:19,731 --> 00:28:21,866
talking like you didn't do that
right now?
734
00:28:21,899 --> 00:28:23,901
You're just gonna, like,
you're just gonna go from that,
735
00:28:23,935 --> 00:28:25,837
and then you're gonna start
a sentence
736
00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:27,972
as if you didn't just do that
right now.
737
00:28:28,005 --> 00:28:29,474
(laughs)
738
00:28:29,507 --> 00:28:31,309
You know,
I used to read books as a kid
739
00:28:31,342 --> 00:28:33,344
about, like, how sailors
would crash into the rocks
740
00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:35,113
listening to sirens,
and I was like,
741
00:28:35,146 --> 00:28:37,014
"These people were
really not focused in life."
742
00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:38,750
I understand it
when I listen to you sing.
743
00:28:38,783 --> 00:28:40,351
And I genuinely mean that.
744
00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:43,888
You-you play her
as a complete human being,
745
00:28:43,921 --> 00:28:45,456
because that's what Aretha was.
746
00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:47,191
You know,
we know Aretha as a singer.
747
00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:48,626
We know her as a performer.
748
00:28:48,659 --> 00:28:50,762
What we learn over time is,
so many of these performers
749
00:28:50,795 --> 00:28:52,897
were dealing
with so many demons.
750
00:28:52,930 --> 00:28:54,565
You know,
whether it be domestic abuse,
751
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:56,567
whether it be a relationship
with her father
752
00:28:56,601 --> 00:28:58,736
where she was constantly trying
to escape.
753
00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:02,774
You are on a path that
many of these superstars
754
00:29:02,807 --> 00:29:04,275
have been on before.
755
00:29:04,308 --> 00:29:06,010
I would love to know,
as Cynthia,
756
00:29:06,044 --> 00:29:08,379
how do you maintain, like,
your mental health?
757
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:10,248
Like, how do you keep yourself
healthy and, like,
758
00:29:10,281 --> 00:29:12,250
not bogged down
by all the pressures
759
00:29:12,283 --> 00:29:13,785
that your success
sort of creates?
760
00:29:13,818 --> 00:29:15,553
I mean,
you have a children's book.
761
00:29:15,586 --> 00:29:18,156
You know, you have...
you have this series.
762
00:29:18,189 --> 00:29:21,392
You have movies. You have
an album that's coming out.
763
00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:24,896
You are in that vein, even
though you're portraying them.
764
00:29:24,929 --> 00:29:28,399
A) Do you ever worry about how
so many of these great artists
765
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:31,235
get burdened by this world
and then leave us too soon?
766
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:33,971
And B) What do you do as Cynthia
to just give yourself
767
00:29:34,005 --> 00:29:36,741
an opportunity to not worry
about it and enjoy it?
768
00:29:36,774 --> 00:29:39,010
Yeah, I-I...
769
00:29:39,043 --> 00:29:44,082
I think I've spent so long
watching some of our great be...
770
00:29:44,115 --> 00:29:46,617
(sighs) running away from things
that have hurt them,
771
00:29:46,651 --> 00:29:49,620
not really having the dialogue,
not really having the language
772
00:29:49,654 --> 00:29:51,889
to express what they're feeling,
773
00:29:51,923 --> 00:29:56,194
and also, in that community, we
don't talk about getting help,
774
00:29:56,227 --> 00:29:58,830
-having therapy enough.
-Right.
775
00:29:58,863 --> 00:30:01,099
And I'm lucky
that I'm part of a time
776
00:30:01,132 --> 00:30:03,601
that is starting to really
discuss what it looks like
777
00:30:03,634 --> 00:30:05,903
for someone like me
to reach out and get...
778
00:30:05,937 --> 00:30:06,938
and go and get some help.
779
00:30:06,971 --> 00:30:09,207
So I do have therapy. I do.
780
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,976
Um, and it's wonderful.
781
00:30:12,009 --> 00:30:13,544
Because it means I can...
782
00:30:13,578 --> 00:30:15,213
when I can't process
something myself,
783
00:30:15,246 --> 00:30:16,981
I'm able to go and speak
to someone
784
00:30:17,014 --> 00:30:19,584
-Right. Yeah. -and talk it out
and figure something out.
785
00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:22,220
And at the same time, I also...
786
00:30:22,253 --> 00:30:24,889
I can sometimes be
really hard on myself,
787
00:30:24,922 --> 00:30:26,257
very hard on myself.
788
00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:27,992
If something
doesn't quite go right,
789
00:30:28,026 --> 00:30:31,963
or, uh, I'm like, "Oh, I
should have done that instead,"
790
00:30:31,996 --> 00:30:34,265
or if I feel like--
not everyone is going to like
791
00:30:34,298 --> 00:30:37,969
the things that you do,
and so you're always on a path
792
00:30:38,002 --> 00:30:40,538
-to try and please everyone
with what you do. -Right.
793
00:30:40,571 --> 00:30:42,507
There is a part of me
that is starting to learn
794
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,609
that you cannot do that,
it's impossible,
795
00:30:44,642 --> 00:30:46,677
and if you did,
you would be very boring.
796
00:30:46,711 --> 00:30:49,647
So it's okay
to not please everyone,
797
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,050
as long as when you...
on your...
798
00:30:52,083 --> 00:30:54,485
on your path
to creating something,
799
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,888
the thing that you're
searching for is truth,
800
00:30:56,921 --> 00:30:59,757
and the thing that...
is honesty.
801
00:30:59,791 --> 00:31:02,727
And your honesty and your truth
might not be someone else's,
802
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,996
it might not be in alignment
803
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:07,365
with what someone else
believes is true.
804
00:31:07,398 --> 00:31:10,768
But if comes
from a place of, um,
805
00:31:10,802 --> 00:31:14,338
kindness and love,
you're... you're okay.
806
00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:17,075
And I think
there's a knowledge in...
807
00:31:17,108 --> 00:31:20,244
that I have to,
well, I've told myself,
808
00:31:20,278 --> 00:31:24,682
that, uh, when good things
happen, I'm deserving.
809
00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:27,385
You know? Sometimes we talk
ourselves out of the good things
810
00:31:27,418 --> 00:31:30,321
that-that come our way,
and we make excuses
811
00:31:30,355 --> 00:31:33,458
to, "Well, you know,
I don't really deserve this,
812
00:31:33,491 --> 00:31:35,193
"and I'm not as good
as that person,
813
00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:36,761
maybe it should have gone to..."
814
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:39,697
Well, no, it came to you,
so thank the universe,
815
00:31:39,731 --> 00:31:42,367
thank God,
thank whatever you believe in
816
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,135
for the things
that come your way,
817
00:31:44,168 --> 00:31:47,772
and wish abundance on yourself
and-and everyone else.
818
00:31:47,805 --> 00:31:50,508
It might actually...
(audio breaks up)
819
00:31:50,541 --> 00:31:52,343
And deserving, you are indeed.
820
00:31:52,377 --> 00:31:54,912
-Thank you. -Uh, I hope to keep
having conversations with you
821
00:31:54,946 --> 00:31:56,414
over the years.
822
00:31:56,447 --> 00:31:59,083
You keep stacking up the awards,
and I'll stack up children,
823
00:31:59,117 --> 00:32:00,485
just to keep up with you.
824
00:32:00,518 --> 00:32:04,088
I'm gonna call my children
Grammy, Oscar, Tony and Emmy,
825
00:32:04,122 --> 00:32:07,191
Just to be like,
"Ah, yes, these are my EGOTS.
826
00:32:07,225 --> 00:32:08,860
You've got trophies."
827
00:32:08,893 --> 00:32:11,396
Cynthia Erivo, thank you so much
for joining me on the show,
828
00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:13,064
and congratulations
on all of your success.
829
00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:15,233
Thank you.
830
00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:19,170
Genius: Aretha will premiere
March 21 on National Geographic.
831
00:32:19,203 --> 00:32:21,105
All right,
we're gonna take a quick break,
832
00:32:21,139 --> 00:32:21,205
but we'll be right back
after this.
833
00:32:24,074 --> 00:32:25,942
Well, that's our show
for tonight, but before we go,
834
00:32:25,976 --> 00:32:28,712
it is Women's History Month,
so please consider supporting
835
00:32:28,745 --> 00:32:31,815
Black Girls Code,
an organization dedicated
836
00:32:31,848 --> 00:32:35,419
to leveling the playing field
for girls of color in STEM.
837
00:32:35,452 --> 00:32:37,220
By supporting Black Girls Code,
838
00:32:37,254 --> 00:32:40,190
you're helping empower
young girls to use technology
839
00:32:40,223 --> 00:32:42,526
to change their lives,
and all of our lives,
840
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:43,560
for the better.
841
00:32:43,593 --> 00:32:45,896
If you can help out,
then go to the link below
842
00:32:45,929 --> 00:32:47,898
and please donate
whatever you can.
843
00:32:47,931 --> 00:32:50,100
Until tomorrow,
stay safe out there,
844
00:32:50,133 --> 00:32:52,302
wear a mask, and remember,
845
00:32:52,335 --> 00:32:55,205
if you hear a big explosion
coming from somebody's Zoom,
846
00:32:55,238 --> 00:32:57,908
that shit is fake--
they're probably fine.
847
00:32:57,941 --> 00:33:00,677
Now, here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
848
00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:03,647
-Top of the mornin' to you.
-Top of the mornin' to ya!
849
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,714
(Irish accent):
We've got more weather,
850
00:33:04,748 --> 00:33:06,483
and then after that, some news.
851
00:33:06,516 --> 00:33:08,118
Top of the mornin' to ya!
852
00:33:08,151 --> 00:33:09,119
Top of the mornin'
to ya.
853
00:33:09,152 --> 00:33:10,454
Just a wee bit there, laddie.
854
00:33:10,487 --> 00:33:12,656
(Irish accent): Blizzard
conditions back through...
855
00:33:12,689 --> 00:33:14,424
(Irish accent):
Why won't he shut up?
856
00:33:14,458 --> 00:33:16,426
-Top of the mornin' to ya.
-Oh.
857
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:19,196
-I didn't know you spoke Irish.
-I speak leprechaun.
858
00:33:19,229 --> 00:33:21,364
Thank you very much,
Ashley O'Sutton.
859
00:33:21,398 --> 00:33:23,700
And we'll be seeing you
at 11:00.
860
00:33:23,733 --> 00:33:26,169
Join in with the Irish dance
we got going with ya.
861
00:33:26,203 --> 00:33:28,205
This afternoon,
some clouds around.
862
00:33:28,238 --> 00:33:28,305
Now, what about the commute
this mornin'.