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All right! All right,
let's get straight into it.
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For the past 50 years,
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ever since the Supreme Court
decided Roe v. Wade,
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women in America
have had the right to choose
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whether or not
to have an abortion.
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And now it looks like that right
is going away.
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NEWSWOMAN:
Bombshell-- the Supreme Court
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poised to strike down
Roe v. Wade.
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That according
to an unprecedented leak
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of the justice's draft opinion
overnight.
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A decision would alter the
nationwide battle over abortion.
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NEWSMAN: The blockbuster story
broke overnight
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on the Politico website,
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reporting that a draft
of the Supreme Court's opinion
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shows the court overturning Roe
v. Wade in a blistering ruling.
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NEWSMAN 2:
Tensions flared
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outside
the nation's highest court
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after an unprecedented leak.
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-Choose! Choose!
-Women! Women!
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NEWSMAN 2: But the bombshell
report comes as five states
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have enacted strict abortion
restrictions and sweeping bans,
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many of them ready
to immediately cut off
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access to care.
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NEWSWOMAN 2: If the high court
does overturn Roe v. Wade,
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over 20 states are poised
to immediately ban abortion.
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That's right, people.
If the court's decision
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is released officially,
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abortion will be illegal
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in about half the states
in America.
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Yeah. That means,
all across the country,
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women in places
like South Dakota
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or Missouri or even Texas
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will have
the exact same abortion rights
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as women in Afghanistan
under the Taliban.
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Yeah. And just think about that.
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We just evacuated people out
of Afghanistan,
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and now we're gonna have to
evacuate them out of Tennessee?
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And isn't... (stammers)
isn't it amazing?
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After all these years
of the right screaming
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about the threat of sharia law,
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it turns out
they were just jealous.
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Now, to be clear,
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Roe v. Wade hasn't yet
been overturned, right?
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This is a leaked draft
from February.
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It's not official.
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For all we know,
the opinion could change
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by the time it's released.
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Or the justices
who signed on to it in February
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could change their minds.
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It is not likely,
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but it's technically possible.
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I mean, like, who knows?
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Maybe Justice Alito
will try ayahuasca
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and come back with a totally new
perspective on the universe
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and how we're all connected.
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Or maybe between then and now
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one of these justices
will have a daughter
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and then they'll understand.
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Wait. Hold on.
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Oh, I'm being told
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Oh. Okay, well,
that's (bleep)ed up.
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But... it's important
to remember how we got here.
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Because keep in mind
that poll after poll shows
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that a majority of Americans
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don't want Roe v. Wade
to be overturned.
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But the G.O.P.
didn't care about that. No.
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They didn't care
about winning over the people.
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They just cared
about getting enough justices
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onto the court
to get what they want.
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Basically,
they used the same tactic
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that that asshole friend
of yours uses
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when they're ordering pizza.
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"Hey, what toppings
does everyone want?
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What do you want on the pizza?"
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"Extra cheese and pepperoni!"
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"Well, I'm ordering, so
it's anchovies and pineapples."
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(laughter)
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Dick.
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And that's basically
how you end up
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with a Supreme Court decision
that amounts
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to a hostile takeover of
America's reproductive rights.
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NEWSMAN: The draft opinion
is apparently written
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by Justice Samuel Alito.
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The language of this draft
is blunt, at times, scornful.
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Justice Alito apparently
writing that...
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He calls it "an abuse of
judicial authority," and adds...
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NEWSMAN 2:
Justice Samuel Alito says,
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Yeah, believe it or not,
according to this argument,
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there actually is
no fundamental right
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for women to control
their own bodies. Yeah.
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Lawmakers could pass laws
giving them that,
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but that right is not part
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of this nation's history
and traditions.
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Which is kind of true.
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I mean, the history
of this nation is
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that men can control
what women do,
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and that's what we want
to go back to, right? Progress?
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Yes? Yes? Am I getting it right?
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I mean, but then again,
the right to an abortion
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has also been around for
50 years now. Think about it.
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You want to talk
about history and tradition?
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I think it's safe to say that
that's tradition at this point.
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Like, if you go
without electricity
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for a weekend, you're camping.
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If you go without it
for 50 years,
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you're Amish, mother(bleep).
That's just who you are.
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That's just who you are.
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(applause and cheering)
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And most people...
most people thought
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the freedom to choose
was just how America was.
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No one ever thought the G.O.P.
could just roll it back
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by playing a reverse
Uno card.
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They didn't know it was a thing.
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I mean, okay, for perspective,
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for perspective, consider this.
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It wasn't until the year
after Roe v. Wade
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that women in America
got the legal right
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to have a credit card
without a man.
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Think about that. Yeah.
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And I think we would all agree
it would be a little weird
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if the court was suddenly like,
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"Look, if the Founders wanted
women to have credit cards,
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"they would have said so.
They would have."
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(laughter)
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And, look, this ruling is
bad enough on its own,
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but it also sets a new precedent
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that can make things even worse.
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Because if the right to privacy
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that Roe is based on
doesn't actually exist,
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then all sorts of things
could become illegal--
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contraception, gay marriage,
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-sex before marriage...
-WOMAN: No.
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-(laughter)
-...adultery, masturbation.
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I mean, everyone assumed that
these things were here to stay.
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Yeah, but give this court
some time,
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and you could just wake up and
find yourself back in the 1960s,
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except you wouldn't have
hitchhiking.
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Which is the best part
of the 1960s.
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Yeah, back then,
everyone was an Uber driver.
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And now, despite
how it may sometimes feel,
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the Supreme Court is not
the only branch of government.
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Right? There's still also
the president and Congress
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and the Illuminati.
Wait. Sorry.
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No, I didn't say that last part.
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Sorry.
Just the president and Congress.
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And so, because of that,
elected officials
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from both parties immediately
weighed in on the stunning news.
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If we had to pick a word
that our caucus feels,
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it's "infuriated."
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It's sweet because we're finally
vindicating the Constitution.
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This is a great victory.
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Uh, it's a great victory
for God.
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I have seen the world
where abortion is illegal,
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and we are not going back.
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ANCHOR: Republican Senator Susan
Collins calling this decision,
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"Inconsistent with what Justices
Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh
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said in their confirmation
hearings" and in her private
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meetings with them before
she agreed to vote for them.
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Really, Susan Collins?
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You're really gonna tell us
that you didn't think
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the conservative justices were
gonna overturn Roe v. Wade?
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You didn't think that?
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That's their whole thing.
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It's like letting Pac-Man
borrow your dots
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and then being shocked
that he ate them all.
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That's what Pac-Man does! How
are you the only person on Earth
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who doesn't know Pac-Man?
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I mean, look, I will say,
in Senator Collins' defense,
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it is insane--
it really is insane--
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that Supreme Court Justices can
just lie in their job interview
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without any repercussions.
Right?
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You couldn't even
do that shit at Kinko's.
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If you claimed that you're an
expert at clearing paper jams
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and then, when you get there,
all you know how to do
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is make copies of your butt,
Kinko's is gonna fire you.
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So, obviously,
Republicans are ecstatic.
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And Democrats are furious.
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And technically, Democrats
could legalize abortion
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through Congress, if they
get rid of the filibuster.
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The only problem is they don't
have the votes to do that.
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Although, who knows?
Susan Collins is so gullible,
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you know, Chuck Schumer
can probably get her to sign on
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to the filibuster reform by just
hiding it in a birthday card.
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"Yeah. That's right. Just sign
here. It's a group thing
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"for the whole grou-- Everyone's
gonna love-- It's a janitor's
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"birthday. We're all signing.
Just sign here. Yeah,
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his name is Phil Buster.
Sign here."
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Now, what's really interesting
about this story is that,
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while many people are upset
about the decision itself,
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some people are only upset
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that we're hearing
about the decision.
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I have never, as you said, seen
a leak like this at the Court
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in the years that
I've covered it.
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It is astonishing, uh,
that somebody would release
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a draft opinion
outside of the Court.
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This is as corrosive, as
destructive to the Supreme Court
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as we've ever seen.
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This is an insurrection
against the Supreme Court.
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The Justices must be able
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to discuss and deliberate
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in an environment
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of total trust and privacy.
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It is not up to a law clerk
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to decide when
the decision of the Court
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will be announced.
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This should have never happened.
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They should be able to make
decisions in private, in secret,
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and then, once they're ready to
decide and let the country know
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how that they have ruled,
let it out.
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Yeah. Yeah. I like that a lot.
I understand why these people
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are upset. You heard what they
said. The conservative majority
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on this Court has
a fundamental right to choose
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when they want to release
a decision into the world.
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Imagine having some random
person violate your privacy
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and make that choice for you.
Who would do such a thing?
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It's crazy...
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it's crazy how conservatives
always manage
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to make themselves
the victim in any situation.
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I mean, they have just
accomplished this thing
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that they've been
working towards for 50 years,
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and their first reaction is,
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"It's so unfair
what's happening to us."
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W-W-- I'm sorry, what--
you wanted your ruling to be
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a big surprise and now someone
ruined it? Yeah, I-I'm really
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sorry this decision to colonize
every vagina in America
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wasn't given the respect
and dignity that it deserved.
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Yeah, right now you all
sound like a serial killer
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who's upset that
your potential victim
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busted you in the back seat.
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"You weren't supposed to look
here! You were just supposed to
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"sit in the front and then I was
gonna put a bag on your head,
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and now it's ruined! (exclaims)
I hope you have a happy life!"
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(exclaiming)
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So, look, man,
understandably, today has been
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a very frustrating and
upsetting day for most people
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in the United States.
And we'll keep watching
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to see how this develops.
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But for now, though,
let's check in on the weather
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with our very own Desi Lydic,
everybody.
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(cheering and applause)
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-Thank you.
-NOAH: Crazy day, Desi.
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-Yeah. -NOAH: What's happening
across the country?
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Well, as you can see
behind me, Trevor,
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in about half the states
in this country,
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women's rights are being burnt
to the goddamn ground!
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'Cause if this court decision
becomes a reality,
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women in these states
are screwed.
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And not just the normal, like,
"I live in Texas" screwed.
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Yeah, I-I have to agree, Desi,
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because, like,
it is a horrible day
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for women's rights to choose.
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Yeah, well, actually, Trevor,
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women do still have
the right to choose.
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We can choose who to blame
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for this mother(bleep) shit show
of a travesty.
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-(cheering and applause)
-Yeah.
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Like, for example,
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I choose to blame Donald Trump
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and Susan Collins
and Mitch McConnell.
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All great choices.
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Thanks to them,
every red state uterus
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is about to be
public domain again,
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like a "Yankee Doodle Dandy"
of reproductive organs.
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You know what? I'm even choosing
to blame the Democrats.
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Yeah. That's right.
For not being aggressive enough.
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For not codifying Roe
when they had the power to.
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-(cheering and applause)
-Yeah.
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For not visiting
freaking Wisconsin.
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It is not that hard
to get there.
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I did it once by accident.
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There is so much blame
to go around,
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it's like
a raging blame gauntlet
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or RBG for short.
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Oh, goddamn.
I see what you did there.
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Oh, did you? Do you?
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What? I'm just using
that common phrase we all know,
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-raging blame gauntlet.
-Oh, okay. Okay.
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I hear what you're saying.
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Look,
women truly have endless choices
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when it comes to who to blame
for this.
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I blame the way society
has made this a woman's problem.
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I also blame the patriarchy
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and sperm
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and having gym teachers
teach sex ed.
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It does not look like a banana,
right?
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Well, I mean, sometimes
it actually can with...
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And you know what? I also choose
to blame the media.
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And what about
those stupid pink pussy hats?
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They didn't do shit.
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I'm blaming evolution,
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'cause why did we get
the uteruses?
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Or God.
Why did he give us the uteruses?
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And, yeah, you know what,
I think it's safe
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to say now God's a man.
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And you know what else, Trevor?
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I'm pissed
at whoever leaked this.
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Wait, you're upset
about the leak?
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Yeah, of course.
We could have been living
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in ignorant bliss
for the next two months
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before women legally become
dystopian Diaper Genies.
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The worse spoiler ever.
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(sighs)
But you know what, Trevor?
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I-I just have to say
the most important choice
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that we can all make now
is to not accept this.
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We can choose to fight back.
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We can choose to put pressure
on our lawmakers.
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We can choose to donate
to abortion rights groups.
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-(cheering and applause)
-Yeah.
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And...
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-NOAH: I hear you there.
-Yeah.
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-I hear you there.
-And most importantly,
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I am choosing to take
the rest of the week off.
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-Wait, what?
-Yeah. All women...
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-All women...
-(cheering and applause)
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We're all taking
the rest of the week off.
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-That's cool, right?
-Uh, Desi Lydic, everyone.
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I feel like
I can't say no to that.
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All right, when we come back,
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we'll be talking
about what can be done
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with Senator Amy Klobuchar,
so don't go away.
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(cheering and applause)
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(cheering and applause)
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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Today, everyone is processing
the shocking news
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that the Supreme Court
is preparing to overturn
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Roe v. Wade.
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To discuss what that means
and what can be done about that,
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we're joined now
by Senator Amy Klobuchar,
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who's live in Washington, D.C.
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Senator Klobuchar,
thank you so much
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-for joining us on the show.
-Thanks. Thanks, Trevor.
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Let's jump straight into it.
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Everyone was shocked,
appalled...
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(stammers) just really,
you know, blown away
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by the possibility that this
could actually be a decision.
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Especially because,
for 50 years,
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people have thought
that this was settled law.
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Wh-Where do you stand now?
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Where does America go from here,
as a sitting senator?
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Well, first,
as a sitting senator,
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let me say, I am mad.
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I am pissed off.
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These justices, these--
the nominees came before us--
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of course, I voted against 'em--
but they said,
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"Oh, this is
the law of the land.
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"Oh, this is a case
that has been affirmed over
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and over and over again."
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And then what do they do
when they get a chance?
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Uh, they're gonna overturn it.
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And we predicted
this was gonna happen.
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But what this means,
uh, right now,
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if this happens,
over 20 states--
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many of them have laws
already in place--
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will ban abortion.
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We'll have a patchwork of laws
across the country.
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So the answer is not that.
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The answer is
that a federal law is passed
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to codify Roe v. Wade into law
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so it is the law of the land.
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-So, with that being said...
-(applause)
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...how do you...
how do you begin to do that?
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Because I'm-I'm sure many
Republicans out there right now
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are going,
"Well, that's why we voted.
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"That's why we voted for Trump.
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That's why we're happy
that McConnell is in power."
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Because however they did it,
they managed to get it done.
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And then I see
a lot of Democrats
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or people who voted
for the Democrats saying,
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"Well, are we going to get
what we voted for?"
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Are the women who voted
for this party going to see
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actions being taken
or is it gonna be a case
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of "we don't have the votes
and we can't figure out
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how to make it happen"?
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Well, two, people have
to show where they stand
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and we have to have this vote.
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It's critical. And as you know,
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the vast majority of Democrats
in Congress--
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this has already passed
the House-- support this bill.
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So that is going to happen
very quickly.
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I agree with you. We should
get rid of the filibuster.
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I don't know if you know.
There are over 100 exceptions
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to that filibuster,
where, like everyone else,
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like the House
of Representatives,
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like democracies
across the world,
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we have majority votes.
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They have majority votes on
things like the Trump tax cuts.
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They have majority votes
on space accidents.
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They have majority votes
on things like arms sales.
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And so you're gonna tell me
that we have to get 60 votes
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to change something that
this right-wing Supreme Court
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has put in place,
uh, where, in fact,
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they are against the wishes
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of nearly 80%
of the American people?
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So if something's worth getting
rid of the filibuster for
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or making an exception
to the filibuster, this is it.
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And by the way, if that doesn't
work, you know that old line?
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"Don't get mad, vote"?
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I say, get mad and vote.
We have to do both.
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(applause and cheering)
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Let's talk a little bit
about strategy, then.
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There are
two Republican senators
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who have been on record
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as saying
that they are pro-choice--
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Senator Collins
And Senator Murkowski.
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And they said,
"Hey, we're pro-choice
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even though we voted for these
conservative justices."
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Would this be a moment
where you basically ask them
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to put their money
where their mouth is,
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and say, "Well, if you said
you are pro-choice,
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"and now you see
that these justices
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have gone against
what they said..."
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Do you think you could get them
to vote with the Democrats?
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I can't predict what they're
going to do, but I can tell you,
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yes, this is a moment where
people have to make a decision.
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When you look at the history,
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all kinds of exceptions
to that filibuster.
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And this is a moment
where, one--
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we have to codify
Roe v. Wade into law,
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especially
if they have been betrayed
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by these justices who they claim
made one claim to them,
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-and then voted another way.
-Mm-hmm.
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And then, secondly, they've got
to make their own decision.
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They're both
independent thinkers,
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00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:03,409
and so, I don't rule that out.
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00:19:03,509 --> 00:19:07,080
But I also look to the fall
as part of this strategy.
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You can't just look
at both things separately.
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As well as the fights
that are going to happen
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in every single state
legislature in the country.
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Because this is going
to be battled out
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state by state by state.
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Because I think
when these judges said--
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and we always thought they
wanted to go back to the 1950s--
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I think what we didn't realize
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when they said the '50s,
it was the 1850s.
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And when one branch is screwing
up so bad that they're...
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in taking positions that reverse
50 years of precedent
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and against 80%
of the American people,
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yeah, the other branch
is supposed to...
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of government is supposed
to step in.
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That's what our system
of government was set to do.
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And not make women get
back-alley abortions
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and travel across state lines
just to exercise
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their constitutional-- and I
believe it's constitutional--
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right to make decisions
about their own health care.
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-(cheers and applause)
-Do you...?
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Do you worry at all...?
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Do you worry at all
that the Supreme Court
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has lost its neutrality
as an institution in America?
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There was a time
when people said,
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"The Supreme Court
rules on the laws
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that have been passed and the
interpretation of those laws."
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00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:17,717
And, yet, now it feels
very much like a seesaw.
486
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Is there a way you can see
America fixing this,
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or is this just how it's going
to be from now on?
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00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:24,824
First of all, I'll note,
I take this personally,
489
00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:26,426
because the justice,
490
00:20:26,526 --> 00:20:28,928
who was a Republican president
appointed justice--
491
00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:32,398
that would be Justice Blackman--
um, was from Minnesota.
492
00:20:32,498 --> 00:20:36,235
And he is the one
that maybe surprised those
493
00:20:36,336 --> 00:20:38,571
that had asked for him
to be appointed
494
00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,440
by writing Roe v. Wade.
495
00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:43,476
So that kind of independence
is not what you're seeing
496
00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:44,977
with
these conservative justices.
497
00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:47,580
Now, you have seen it
from time to time
498
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,382
with Justice Roberts who voted
499
00:20:49,482 --> 00:20:51,951
to uphold
The Affordable Care Act,
500
00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:54,253
who has taken a number of votes.
501
00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:57,557
And as if he's some
radical liberal. Not really.
502
00:20:57,657 --> 00:21:00,493
But it has gone so extreme
that he has been siding
503
00:21:00,593 --> 00:21:02,095
with some
of the liberal justices.
504
00:21:02,195 --> 00:21:06,032
Sadly, if this leaked opinion
and what we're hearing is true,
505
00:21:06,199 --> 00:21:08,201
that won't even matter
if he did that
506
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:09,669
because it was 5-4.
507
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:12,438
So, as I look to the future,
what do we need to do?
508
00:21:12,538 --> 00:21:14,974
Well, I think
the first thing we need to do
509
00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:18,311
is to, um, make sure that we're
putting judges in place.
510
00:21:18,411 --> 00:21:19,946
And I will tell you, uh,
511
00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,547
with the wonderful
new appointment
512
00:21:21,647 --> 00:21:24,484
of Justice Jackson
to that Supreme Court--
513
00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:25,918
she will be starting soon--
514
00:21:26,019 --> 00:21:28,121
-that is a good beginning.
-(cheering and applause)
515
00:21:28,221 --> 00:21:29,989
And what a moment that was
516
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:32,625
when she got out
of the dark and musky
517
00:21:32,725 --> 00:21:35,294
Senate Judiciary cave
that it was
518
00:21:35,395 --> 00:21:37,230
and got out
in that beautiful sunshine
519
00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:38,698
on the White House lawn.
520
00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:41,034
There was no Ted Cruz
on that lawn.
521
00:21:41,134 --> 00:21:43,436
And that was her moment.
(chuckles)
522
00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:46,239
But now, sadly,
the Supreme Court has told us
523
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:49,275
we will no longer allow women
to make their decisions
524
00:21:49,375 --> 00:21:50,677
with their doctors, Trevor.
525
00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:53,713
It will be Ted Cruz
that can make those decisions.
526
00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:56,649
But the bottom line right now
is we are not gonna be able
527
00:21:56,749 --> 00:21:59,185
to fix that court
before the fall.
528
00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:01,587
And I think your audience
knows that right now.
529
00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:04,457
What we have to do
is push these votes,
530
00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:08,227
show people where they are,
show people where Democrats are
531
00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:09,729
and where Republicans are.
532
00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:11,297
And if we can't get this done
533
00:22:11,397 --> 00:22:14,334
because we have a tied Senate
at 50-50,
534
00:22:14,434 --> 00:22:16,369
then we go straight
to the ballot box.
535
00:22:16,469 --> 00:22:17,770
We march to that box.
536
00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:20,306
People turn out
in record numbers.
537
00:22:20,406 --> 00:22:22,842
That is how we beat this,
Trevor.
538
00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:25,511
That will be the last stand.
539
00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:27,413
-(applause)
-Well,
540
00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:29,215
I know you took a window
of your time
541
00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:30,650
to come and talk to us.
I appreci...
542
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,452
uh, appreciate you for that,
Senator. Thank you so much.
543
00:22:32,552 --> 00:22:34,554
-Uh, we'll see you again next
time. -And you did a great job
544
00:22:34,654 --> 00:22:36,222
at the White House
Correspondents' Dinner.
545
00:22:36,322 --> 00:22:37,724
-Oh, thank you very much.
-Thank you
546
00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:39,258
-for calling out Washington.
-Appreciate that. Thank you.
547
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,729
I was there. It was amazing.
548
00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:44,964
-We want you back. Thank you.
-Thank you very much.
549
00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:46,632
Thank you so much, Senator.
Good seeing you again.
550
00:22:46,733 --> 00:22:48,001
-Thanks.
-All right, don't go away,
551
00:22:48,101 --> 00:22:49,602
because after the break,
we're gonna be talking
552
00:22:49,702 --> 00:22:51,337
to Bill Gates.
We'll be right back.
553
00:22:51,437 --> 00:22:53,473
(cheering and applause)
554
00:23:02,716 --> 00:23:04,751
(cheering and applause)
555
00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:07,787
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
556
00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:09,823
My next guest is cochair
557
00:23:09,923 --> 00:23:12,158
of the Bill & Melinda Gates
Foundation, Bill Gates.
558
00:23:12,259 --> 00:23:14,227
He's here to talk
about his latest book,
559
00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:16,563
How to Prevent
the Next Pandemic.
560
00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:18,298
Please welcome Bill Gates.
561
00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,433
-♪ ♪
-(cheering and applause)
562
00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:29,276
Thank you.
563
00:23:32,178 --> 00:23:33,947
-Welcome back to the show.
-Thank you.
564
00:23:34,047 --> 00:23:35,615
So everyone gets
a million dollars? Yeah?
565
00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:37,384
-(chuckles)
-(cheering and applause)
566
00:23:37,484 --> 00:23:39,252
Oh, man. What...
567
00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,921
I mean, you hear the cheers.
568
00:23:41,021 --> 00:23:41,988
Maybe a book.
569
00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:43,790
-Maybe a book? Wow!
-(laughs)
570
00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:45,091
Wow.
571
00:23:45,191 --> 00:23:46,359
Before we get into the book,
let's talk
572
00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,695
about the news of the day,
um, reproductive rights.
573
00:23:48,795 --> 00:23:50,730
This has been something that
people have been fighting for
574
00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:52,065
in America for decades.
575
00:23:52,165 --> 00:23:54,434
It feels like now America's
really rewinding time.
576
00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:56,503
I know that you have been
one of the biggest donors
577
00:23:56,603 --> 00:23:58,905
to women's reproductive rights
in America.
578
00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:00,240
When you look at the work
you're doing
579
00:24:00,340 --> 00:24:02,976
and when you look at what
we can do to keep improving that
580
00:24:03,076 --> 00:24:04,811
and-and create that bastion,
581
00:24:04,911 --> 00:24:07,314
what are some of the things
we can do?
582
00:24:07,414 --> 00:24:09,916
Well, first of all,
this is a worldwide struggle.
583
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:12,052
Uh, there's
a lot of countries that,
584
00:24:12,152 --> 00:24:13,486
you know,
have never had these rights.
585
00:24:13,587 --> 00:24:15,221
It's strange
to have the U.S. go back.
586
00:24:15,322 --> 00:24:17,724
But, uh,
our foundation does a lot
587
00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,659
on getting contraceptives out.
588
00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:22,062
-Uh, some people even fight
against that. -Mm-hmm.
589
00:24:22,162 --> 00:24:24,464
Uh, you know, my dad ran the...
590
00:24:24,564 --> 00:24:26,199
chaired
the local Planned Parenthood.
591
00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:28,735
Uh, so, you know,
592
00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:31,605
the idea of choice
seems pretty basic.
593
00:24:31,705 --> 00:24:34,674
Um, mostly, you-you'd think
it's forward progress,
594
00:24:34,841 --> 00:24:37,010
not-not one step backwards.
595
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:38,678
Not one step back.
Wh-What is it,
596
00:24:38,845 --> 00:24:40,847
one small step
for the Supreme Court,
597
00:24:40,947 --> 00:24:43,316
one giant leap back
for all women in America?
598
00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:45,619
-Um...
-(applause)
599
00:24:45,719 --> 00:24:47,554
Let's talk about the book.
600
00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:51,424
Bill Gates, How to Prevent
the Next Pandemic.
601
00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:53,393
Why are you saying there's gonna
be a next pandemic, Bill?
602
00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:54,694
Uh...
603
00:24:54,861 --> 00:24:57,197
-Why are you putting
that juju on us? -(chuckles)
604
00:24:57,297 --> 00:24:58,932
Well, the risk is always there.
605
00:24:59,032 --> 00:25:00,700
We actually were pretty lucky
606
00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:03,970
that we went 100 years without
a really terrible pandemic.
607
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:05,939
-1918, Spanish flu.
-Mm-hmm.
608
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,641
Now, COVID.
609
00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:11,211
And we shouldn't expect
it'll be that long next time.
610
00:25:11,311 --> 00:25:13,480
Uh, it's not that hard
to get ready.
611
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:15,348
Um, you need to drill,
612
00:25:15,448 --> 00:25:17,384
-like you do for a fire.
-Mm-hmm.
613
00:25:17,484 --> 00:25:20,487
Uh, we've got, you know,
300,000 firemen in the U.S.
614
00:25:20,587 --> 00:25:22,389
We've got
nine million fire hydrants.
615
00:25:22,489 --> 00:25:24,057
Uh, and a lot less than that
616
00:25:24,157 --> 00:25:26,826
would make it
so we wouldn't have to suffer,
617
00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,295
uh, another pandemic.
618
00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:29,930
Before we get into the...
619
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,465
you know, the future of it all,
let's talk about the past.
620
00:25:32,565 --> 00:25:34,668
Uh, you know, I-I like
how you lay out in the book
621
00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:36,369
what to do to prevent
the next pandemic.
622
00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,138
You gave a TED Talk a while ago
623
00:25:38,238 --> 00:25:40,206
talking about basically what
we just went through
624
00:25:40,307 --> 00:25:41,474
over the past two years,
625
00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:43,843
and then people blamed you
for creating it,
626
00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:45,445
-'cause that's how things work.
-(chuckles)
627
00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:47,147
If you say it, it happens.
It's the Secret.
628
00:25:47,247 --> 00:25:49,849
I've-I've read it. Um...
629
00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:52,619
And-and, you know, I-I found
myself reading the book
630
00:25:52,719 --> 00:25:54,054
and I was fascinated.
But I was going,
631
00:25:54,154 --> 00:25:55,855
"But shouldn't
we also be interested
632
00:25:55,922 --> 00:25:57,724
in how this pandemic
came to be?"
633
00:25:57,857 --> 00:26:00,393
Like-like, it-it's still
shrouded in so much mystery.
634
00:26:00,493 --> 00:26:02,295
It's like,
how do we prevent something
635
00:26:02,395 --> 00:26:04,564
where we don't even understand
how it came to be?
636
00:26:04,664 --> 00:26:07,233
Like, you know, are there labs
where they need to do better
637
00:26:07,334 --> 00:26:09,703
at-at, you know, enclosing
the work that they're doing?
638
00:26:09,803 --> 00:26:10,904
I understand
that they have to do the work,
639
00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:12,205
but how do we figure that out
640
00:26:12,305 --> 00:26:14,441
and how do we move forward
in-in that realm?
641
00:26:14,541 --> 00:26:17,877
Well, we sh-should be careful
about lab safety.
642
00:26:17,978 --> 00:26:19,613
It's quite clear in this case
643
00:26:19,713 --> 00:26:21,982
-that it came across
through animals. -Mm-hmm.
644
00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:25,518
And almost all our diseases--
Like HIV crossed over
645
00:26:25,619 --> 00:26:28,822
from chimpanzees in Africa
quite some time ago.
646
00:26:28,855 --> 00:26:30,190
Ebola came from bats.
647
00:26:30,290 --> 00:26:35,829
Uh, this also, with one step
in between, came from bats.
648
00:26:35,862 --> 00:26:37,831
So it's going to keep happening,
649
00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:39,499
particularly
with climate change,
650
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:43,203
where we're invading a lot
of habitats.
651
00:26:43,303 --> 00:26:45,972
And you want to catch it
as soon as you can.
652
00:26:46,072 --> 00:26:47,874
How do we do that?
653
00:26:47,974 --> 00:26:50,877
Well,
you see people getting sick.
654
00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:54,381
You see elevated deaths,
655
00:26:54,481 --> 00:26:56,149
and you go in there,
and you actually take
656
00:26:56,249 --> 00:26:58,351
and you sequence it early on.
657
00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,588
-And then you have
a global group... -Right.
658
00:27:01,688 --> 00:27:04,691
that is ready to go,
kind of like a fire squad,
659
00:27:04,791 --> 00:27:08,495
comes in and very quickly,
you diagnose people.
660
00:27:08,595 --> 00:27:11,798
Some countries have had
a tenth the deaths
661
00:27:11,865 --> 00:27:13,166
of the United States
662
00:27:13,266 --> 00:27:15,635
because they were
a little bit more ready.
663
00:27:15,802 --> 00:27:17,871
-Right, right, right.
-Uh, and, you know.
664
00:27:17,971 --> 00:27:20,340
So, boy, we learned a lot
in this pandemic.
665
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,009
I mean, in 2015,
yes, the warning was there.
666
00:27:23,109 --> 00:27:27,080
But now, we...
we know a lot more.
667
00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:29,583
And it's obvious, pretty obvious
what should be done.
668
00:27:29,683 --> 00:27:31,885
You talk about
this global squad, in the book,
669
00:27:31,985 --> 00:27:33,420
I think you've referred to it.
670
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,355
-It's... Could you say the name?
-GERM.
671
00:27:35,455 --> 00:27:39,125
GERM. G-E-R-M. Global Epidemic
Response and Mobilization.
672
00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:40,694
Why would you call it "GERM,"
though? Why...?
673
00:27:40,827 --> 00:27:43,096
If, like, if I need help,
674
00:27:43,196 --> 00:27:45,131
I wouldn't call, like, GERM
to come and help me.
675
00:27:45,231 --> 00:27:47,734
-Why call it "GERM," though?
-That might... Okay.
676
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:50,203
I'll-I'll give up the name
as long as it gets funded.
677
00:27:50,303 --> 00:27:52,072
-Okay, fine. All right, fine.
-(laughter)
678
00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:54,507
So explain it to me
a little bit, you know.
679
00:27:54,608 --> 00:27:55,642
Because it seems like
what you're trying
680
00:27:55,742 --> 00:27:57,043
to create is almost like a...
681
00:27:57,143 --> 00:27:58,545
you know, like,
an interplanetary space force,
682
00:27:58,645 --> 00:28:01,781
but you're trying to do that
for Earth, for our diseases.
683
00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:03,416
Isn't there going
to be a limitation
684
00:28:03,516 --> 00:28:04,918
in how much can get done
685
00:28:05,018 --> 00:28:06,519
because the governments
themselves may get in the way?
686
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:08,255
Like, China was
a perfect example.
687
00:28:08,355 --> 00:28:09,923
They knew before people knew.
688
00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:11,891
They tried to do their best,
and they were like,
689
00:28:11,992 --> 00:28:13,693
"We're gonna handle this."
They couldn't handle it.
690
00:28:13,793 --> 00:28:15,428
And that was crucial time
that the world lost
691
00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:16,930
in trying to prepare themselves.
692
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:18,698
So, wouldn't GERM be
at the mercy
693
00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:21,034
of any particular nation?
694
00:28:21,134 --> 00:28:25,205
Yeah, we may have lost,
you know, two or three weeks,
695
00:28:25,305 --> 00:28:29,509
if China had both domestically
and globally talked about it.
696
00:28:29,609 --> 00:28:32,912
-Mm-hmm. -Um, you know,
some countries, even so,
697
00:28:33,013 --> 00:28:35,849
that was enough time
because they had practiced,
698
00:28:35,949 --> 00:28:38,351
-and they did diagnostics
very quickly. -Ah, okay.
699
00:28:38,451 --> 00:28:41,521
Um, the next outbreak is,
I'd say, equally likely
700
00:28:41,621 --> 00:28:44,557
to come out
of a country in Africa
701
00:28:44,658 --> 00:28:46,860
where you don't have
a very strong health system.
702
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,862
So, they won't try
and cover it up,
703
00:28:48,962 --> 00:28:52,966
but unless you have a little bit
of data gathering
704
00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:57,437
and a group to fly in,
you may take even longer
705
00:28:57,537 --> 00:28:59,706
to get the alarm bells ringing
than we did this time.
706
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,777
So GERM will help
the poor countries a lot,
707
00:29:03,877 --> 00:29:06,479
which is where a lot
of the risk is.
708
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,248
A lot of people have
asked this question
709
00:29:08,348 --> 00:29:09,916
I mean, through the pandemic.
Don't get me wrong.
710
00:29:10,016 --> 00:29:12,352
There were crazy takes,
but some people asked,
711
00:29:12,452 --> 00:29:14,487
what, in my opinion,
was a valid question.
712
00:29:14,588 --> 00:29:16,590
They said, "Well,
why is Bill Gates the one
713
00:29:16,690 --> 00:29:18,425
who's talking about this?"
I mean, if we want help
714
00:29:18,525 --> 00:29:20,260
with computers, we know
we're going to call you,
715
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,164
but why are you the person who's
writing books about a pandemic,
716
00:29:24,264 --> 00:29:25,498
or talking about a pandemic?
717
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:26,900
Is it because
you're a billionaire?
718
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,234
Or what gives you that right?
719
00:29:28,335 --> 00:29:31,004
-(laughter)
-Uh...
720
00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:35,809
Yeah, my full-time job is
at the foundation now,
721
00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:38,278
and we work on infectious
diseases all the time.
722
00:29:38,378 --> 00:29:40,213
And pandemics, you know,
723
00:29:40,313 --> 00:29:42,816
you have to have people
who know about vaccines
724
00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:45,952
and diagnostics and
therapeutics and communications.
725
00:29:46,052 --> 00:29:48,154
Well, I was lucky enough
for the last two years,
726
00:29:48,255 --> 00:29:51,157
as we put an extra two billion
727
00:29:51,258 --> 00:29:53,159
-into trying to stop
this pandemic... -Mm-hmm.
728
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:55,528
that I was listening
to them and understanding.
729
00:29:55,629 --> 00:29:57,931
"Okay, we should have done this.
We should have done that."
730
00:29:58,031 --> 00:30:00,867
So there's-there's
amazing experts
731
00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:02,636
that I love working with.
732
00:30:02,769 --> 00:30:05,772
There's no one who
kind of could make it simple.
733
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:09,209
Uh, and so my goal,
like with my climate book,
734
00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:10,677
was to elucidate it
735
00:30:10,777 --> 00:30:12,312
in a way that would be
quite straightforward.
736
00:30:12,412 --> 00:30:14,247
I see. So,
you talk to the experts,
737
00:30:14,347 --> 00:30:15,916
and then you go like,
"You guys speak gibberish.
738
00:30:16,016 --> 00:30:18,018
I'm gonna write it down in a way
that people can understand."
739
00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:19,419
-It makes sense. It really...
-That's the goal.
740
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:21,288
I mean, that's like
the graphical user interface.
741
00:30:21,388 --> 00:30:23,089
That's the whole idea.
Get us away from it.
742
00:30:23,189 --> 00:30:25,492
-Um... (chuckles) It really is.
-(applause)
743
00:30:25,592 --> 00:30:27,294
That's what it is.
744
00:30:28,929 --> 00:30:32,666
We are barely coming out
of this pandemic.
745
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,701
What are some
of the small things,
746
00:30:34,801 --> 00:30:37,404
just tiny things
that we could put in place
747
00:30:37,504 --> 00:30:39,539
that would help us prevent
748
00:30:39,639 --> 00:30:41,908
or delay or eliminate altogether
749
00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:45,278
another situation
that decimates the entire globe?
750
00:30:45,378 --> 00:30:48,081
Well, it's too bad
that we don't have
751
00:30:48,181 --> 00:30:51,918
trusted people we're seeing
raise the vaccination level.
752
00:30:52,018 --> 00:30:53,987
I mean, this pandemic
could still surprise us
753
00:30:54,087 --> 00:30:55,455
-with another variant.
-Oh, boy.
754
00:30:55,555 --> 00:30:58,725
And, so, getting, uh,
particularly elderly people,
755
00:30:58,825 --> 00:31:02,395
uh, to not only be vaccinated
but to be boosted,
756
00:31:02,495 --> 00:31:04,898
you know, that can't be said
loudly enough.
757
00:31:04,998 --> 00:31:08,101
Um, one thing I'm excited about
758
00:31:08,201 --> 00:31:11,805
is we will be able to have
diagnostic machines
759
00:31:11,905 --> 00:31:14,274
to very rapidly test people.
760
00:31:14,374 --> 00:31:17,577
That... We really bungled that
this time.
761
00:31:17,677 --> 00:31:20,080
-Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -Uh, and once
those first 100 days go by,
762
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:23,016
it's hard, uh,
to make up for that.
763
00:31:23,116 --> 00:31:24,317
Uh, and, so,
764
00:31:24,417 --> 00:31:26,152
one of the cheapest things
in here is getting
765
00:31:26,253 --> 00:31:29,356
those amazing breakthrough
diagnostic machines out
766
00:31:29,456 --> 00:31:32,292
not just in the U.S.
but, uh, in the entire world.
767
00:31:32,392 --> 00:31:33,994
And that's a big thing
that you've been an advocate of,
768
00:31:34,094 --> 00:31:37,931
is, um, creating a fairer system
769
00:31:38,031 --> 00:31:40,700
of getting technology
and resources out to the world.
770
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,168
I mean,
you were one of the first people
771
00:31:42,269 --> 00:31:44,304
who complained about vaccines
not going to Africa
772
00:31:44,404 --> 00:31:46,506
and not getting it out
to the people who needed it.
773
00:31:46,606 --> 00:31:47,941
How do we change perspectives
on that?
774
00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:50,977
How do you convince
European or Western countries
775
00:31:51,077 --> 00:31:52,812
that they need to spend
some of their money
776
00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:55,382
getting some of this equipment
to help test people in Africa?
777
00:31:55,482 --> 00:31:58,518
Yeah, the inequity on this
has been quite severe,
778
00:31:58,618 --> 00:32:00,854
whether it's within the country
who suffered the most
779
00:32:00,954 --> 00:32:02,622
or globally.
780
00:32:02,756 --> 00:32:05,325
Uh, you know, who was last
in line for the vaccines?
781
00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:07,294
The-the poor countries.
782
00:32:07,394 --> 00:32:10,497
If we, you know,
can make it cheap enough,
783
00:32:10,597 --> 00:32:13,767
if we can have the capacity,
uh, put those factories
784
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,435
in more places
all over the world,
785
00:32:15,535 --> 00:32:17,304
uh, then we'll have equity.
786
00:32:17,404 --> 00:32:19,506
You know, I was a little
surprised during the epidemic,
787
00:32:19,606 --> 00:32:21,041
people are like, "Oh."
788
00:32:21,141 --> 00:32:23,109
You know, saying, "Hey, we
didn't get the vaccines there."
789
00:32:23,209 --> 00:32:26,613
Well, we have health inequity
with all sorts of diseases.
790
00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:28,014
-Mm.
-This isn't...
791
00:32:28,114 --> 00:32:30,216
You know, this is day in
and day out we have inequity.
792
00:32:30,317 --> 00:32:33,820
But it's nice that this reminded
them about infectious diseases.
793
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,423
-Ah. -So, you know, I'm talking
to governments all the time
794
00:32:36,523 --> 00:32:39,793
about, "Hey, let's give more,
uh, and help out
795
00:32:39,859 --> 00:32:41,161
and lift these countries up."
796
00:32:41,261 --> 00:32:43,830
Uh, there's a lot
of distractions out there.
797
00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:45,098
Budgets are super tight.
798
00:32:45,198 --> 00:32:46,833
I hope that cause,
799
00:32:46,933 --> 00:32:50,804
uh, keeps in people's minds
and remains a priority.
800
00:32:50,837 --> 00:32:52,639
But, uh,
fighting for those budgets
801
00:32:52,806 --> 00:32:54,407
will probably be tougher
in this next year
802
00:32:54,507 --> 00:32:55,976
than ever before.
803
00:32:56,076 --> 00:32:57,711
Well, it's a fascinating book.
Thank you so much
804
00:32:57,811 --> 00:32:59,446
for joining us on the show
again. Good to see you.
805
00:32:59,546 --> 00:33:01,114
Great to see you. Thanks.
806
00:33:01,214 --> 00:33:03,650
Bill's book
How to Prevent the Next Pandemic
807
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:05,185
is available now.
We're gonna take a quick break,
808
00:33:05,285 --> 00:33:06,987
but we'll be right back
after this.
809
00:33:07,087 --> 00:33:08,555
Thank you again.
810
00:33:08,655 --> 00:33:10,690
(cheering and applause)
811
00:33:16,637 --> 00:33:17,805
Well, that's
our show for tonight.
812
00:33:17,905 --> 00:33:20,641
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813
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821
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822
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Until tomorrow,
stay safe out there.
823
00:33:43,998 --> 00:33:46,867
And remember, if Pac-Man
asks you to borrow your dots,
824
00:33:46,967 --> 00:33:48,769
you probably want to say no.
825
00:33:48,869 --> 00:33:51,472
Now, here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
826
00:33:51,572 --> 00:33:53,607
♪ ♪
827
00:33:57,077 --> 00:33:59,113
This country
has a long tradition
828
00:33:59,213 --> 00:34:02,416
of resistance to being told
what to do by government.
829
00:34:02,516 --> 00:34:03,818
This is
about government mandates.
830
00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:05,085
This is about the government
831
00:34:05,186 --> 00:34:06,654
telling you what to do
with your own body,
832
00:34:06,754 --> 00:34:09,156
and government does not tell me
what to do with my body.
833
00:34:09,256 --> 00:34:11,725
Overwhelming government mandates
sweep people up
834
00:34:11,826 --> 00:34:14,495
that otherwise should be able
to make a choice for themselves
835
00:34:14,595 --> 00:34:16,030
and be responsible.
836
00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:17,431
I mean,
that's what free citizens do.
837
00:34:17,531 --> 00:34:18,833
That's our right as Americans,
838
00:34:18,933 --> 00:34:21,335
and we should not be coerced
by our government.
839
00:34:21,435 --> 00:34:22,770
What happened
to "my body, my choice"?
840
00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:24,371
I always thought it was
"my body, my choice."
841
00:34:24,472 --> 00:34:25,806
My body, my choice, right?
842
00:34:25,906 --> 00:34:27,408
Americans
don't like to be lectured
843
00:34:27,508 --> 00:34:29,109
about giving up their freedom.
844
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:31,579
My body, my choice.