1 00:00:00,968 --> 00:00:02,069 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:02,169 --> 00:00:03,837 ANNOUNCER: Coming to you from New York City, 3 00:00:03,937 --> 00:00:05,572 the only city in America, 4 00:00:05,672 --> 00:00:07,508 it's The Daily Show. 5 00:00:07,608 --> 00:00:09,176 Tonight, 6 00:00:09,276 --> 00:00:11,845 Supreme Court leak, 7 00:00:11,945 --> 00:00:14,515 Senator Amy Klobuchar, 8 00:00:14,615 --> 00:00:17,017 and Bill Gates. 9 00:00:17,117 --> 00:00:21,188 This is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. 10 00:00:21,288 --> 00:00:23,323 (cheering and applause) 11 00:00:35,035 --> 00:00:37,371 What's going on, everybody? Welcome to The Daily Show. 12 00:00:37,471 --> 00:00:39,640 I'm Trevor Noah. Thank you so much for tuning in. 13 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:41,475 Thank you for coming out in person! 14 00:00:41,575 --> 00:00:42,943 Thank you for being here, everybody! 15 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:45,512 Take a seat, take a seat. Take a seat. 16 00:00:45,612 --> 00:00:47,781 We have got a bumper show for you today. 17 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:50,017 Obviously, we're gonna be talking about the big decision 18 00:00:50,117 --> 00:00:51,351 coming out of the Supreme Court, 19 00:00:51,451 --> 00:00:54,454 and Senator Amy Klobuchar will be joining us live 20 00:00:54,555 --> 00:00:56,790 from Washington, D.C., to discuss the big news. 21 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:58,892 And then, later on, here to talk about his work 22 00:00:58,992 --> 00:01:00,227 defending reproductive rights, 23 00:01:00,327 --> 00:01:02,729 as well as how to prepare for the next pandemic, 24 00:01:02,829 --> 00:01:04,198 Bill Gates is joining us on the show. 25 00:01:04,298 --> 00:01:06,366 -So that's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah. And... -(cheering) 26 00:01:06,466 --> 00:01:08,402 And get this. 27 00:01:08,502 --> 00:01:10,070 And... 28 00:01:10,103 --> 00:01:12,439 he's gonna give everyone in the audience a million dollars. 29 00:01:12,539 --> 00:01:14,942 -(cheering) -And now that I said it on TV, he has to do it. 30 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:16,877 I said it. You got to do it, Bill. 31 00:01:16,977 --> 00:01:19,079 You got to do it. So let's do this, people! 32 00:01:19,146 --> 00:01:22,082 Let's jump straight into the big news of the day. 33 00:01:23,417 --> 00:01:25,452 ♪ ♪ 34 00:01:30,123 --> 00:01:32,926 All right! All right, let's get straight into it. 35 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:34,361 For the past 50 years, 36 00:01:34,461 --> 00:01:37,297 ever since the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, 37 00:01:37,397 --> 00:01:39,766 women in America have had the right to choose 38 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:41,969 whether or not to have an abortion. 39 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:45,105 And now it looks like that right is going away. 40 00:01:45,205 --> 00:01:47,107 NEWSWOMAN: Bombshell-- the Supreme Court 41 00:01:47,207 --> 00:01:50,110 poised to strike down Roe v. Wade. 42 00:01:50,177 --> 00:01:53,013 That according to an unprecedented leak 43 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:55,549 of the justice's draft opinion overnight. 44 00:01:55,649 --> 00:02:00,053 A decision would alter the nationwide battle over abortion. 45 00:02:00,153 --> 00:02:02,089 NEWSMAN: The blockbuster story broke overnight 46 00:02:02,189 --> 00:02:03,524 on the Politico website, 47 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:06,326 reporting that a draft of the Supreme Court's opinion 48 00:02:06,426 --> 00:02:09,796 shows the court overturning Roe v. Wade in a blistering ruling. 49 00:02:09,897 --> 00:02:10,864 NEWSMAN 2: Tensions flared 50 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:12,299 outside the nation's highest court 51 00:02:12,399 --> 00:02:13,767 after an unprecedented leak. 52 00:02:13,867 --> 00:02:16,370 -Choose! Choose! -Women! Women! 53 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:18,906 NEWSMAN 2: But the bombshell report comes as five states 54 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:22,176 have enacted strict abortion restrictions and sweeping bans, 55 00:02:22,276 --> 00:02:24,144 many of them ready to immediately cut off 56 00:02:24,244 --> 00:02:25,646 access to care. 57 00:02:25,746 --> 00:02:28,282 NEWSWOMAN 2: If the high court does overturn Roe v. Wade, 58 00:02:28,382 --> 00:02:31,752 over 20 states are poised to immediately ban abortion. 59 00:02:31,852 --> 00:02:34,154 That's right, people. If the court's decision 60 00:02:34,254 --> 00:02:35,923 is released officially, 61 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:37,357 abortion will be illegal 62 00:02:37,457 --> 00:02:39,626 in about half the states in America. 63 00:02:39,726 --> 00:02:41,161 Yeah. That means, all across the country, 64 00:02:41,261 --> 00:02:43,197 women in places like South Dakota 65 00:02:43,297 --> 00:02:45,132 or Missouri or even Texas 66 00:02:45,232 --> 00:02:46,934 will have the exact same abortion rights 67 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:49,469 as women in Afghanistan under the Taliban. 68 00:02:49,570 --> 00:02:50,704 Yeah. And just think about that. 69 00:02:50,804 --> 00:02:52,372 We just evacuated people out of Afghanistan, 70 00:02:52,472 --> 00:02:54,875 and now we're gonna have to evacuate them out of Tennessee? 71 00:02:54,975 --> 00:02:56,510 And isn't... (stammers) isn't it amazing? 72 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:58,645 After all these years of the right screaming 73 00:02:58,745 --> 00:03:00,247 about the threat of sharia law, 74 00:03:00,347 --> 00:03:02,049 it turns out they were just jealous. 75 00:03:02,115 --> 00:03:04,051 Now, to be clear, 76 00:03:04,117 --> 00:03:07,054 Roe v. Wade hasn't yet been overturned, right? 77 00:03:07,154 --> 00:03:09,156 This is a leaked draft from February. 78 00:03:09,256 --> 00:03:10,324 It's not official. 79 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:12,125 For all we know, the opinion could change 80 00:03:12,226 --> 00:03:13,427 by the time it's released. 81 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:15,429 Or the justices who signed on to it in February 82 00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:16,430 could change their minds. 83 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:17,731 It is not likely, 84 00:03:17,831 --> 00:03:19,766 but it's technically possible. 85 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:21,068 I mean, like, who knows? 86 00:03:21,168 --> 00:03:24,905 Maybe Justice Alito will try ayahuasca 87 00:03:25,072 --> 00:03:27,774 and come back with a totally new perspective on the universe 88 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:30,777 and how we're all connected. 89 00:03:30,878 --> 00:03:32,446 Or maybe between then and now 90 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:34,481 one of these justices will have a daughter 91 00:03:34,581 --> 00:03:35,749 and then they'll understand. 92 00:03:35,849 --> 00:03:37,084 Wait. Hold on. 93 00:03:37,184 --> 00:03:39,419 Oh, I'm being told four of them do have daughters. 94 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,355 Oh. Okay, well, that's (bleep)ed up. 95 00:03:41,455 --> 00:03:45,225 But... it's important to remember how we got here. 96 00:03:45,325 --> 00:03:48,228 Because keep in mind that poll after poll shows 97 00:03:48,328 --> 00:03:50,097 that a majority of Americans 98 00:03:50,197 --> 00:03:53,100 don't want Roe v. Wade to be overturned. 99 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:55,435 But the G.O.P. didn't care about that. No. 100 00:03:55,536 --> 00:03:57,171 They didn't care about winning over the people. 101 00:03:57,271 --> 00:03:59,106 They just cared about getting enough justices 102 00:03:59,139 --> 00:04:01,041 onto the court to get what they want. 103 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:02,509 Basically, they used the same tactic 104 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:04,444 that that asshole friend of yours uses 105 00:04:04,545 --> 00:04:05,879 when they're ordering pizza. 106 00:04:06,046 --> 00:04:07,347 "Hey, what toppings does everyone want? 107 00:04:07,447 --> 00:04:08,682 What do you want on the pizza?" 108 00:04:08,782 --> 00:04:11,051 "Extra cheese and pepperoni!" 109 00:04:11,118 --> 00:04:13,954 "Well, I'm ordering, so it's anchovies and pineapples." 110 00:04:14,054 --> 00:04:15,956 (laughter) 111 00:04:16,056 --> 00:04:17,958 Dick. 112 00:04:18,058 --> 00:04:19,459 And that's basically how you end up 113 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,295 with a Supreme Court decision that amounts 114 00:04:21,395 --> 00:04:25,199 to a hostile takeover of America's reproductive rights. 115 00:04:25,299 --> 00:04:26,967 NEWSMAN: The draft opinion is apparently written 116 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:28,502 by Justice Samuel Alito. 117 00:04:28,602 --> 00:04:31,738 The language of this draft is blunt, at times, scornful. 118 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,874 Justice Alito apparently writing that... 119 00:04:36,577 --> 00:04:39,346 He calls it "an abuse of judicial authority," and adds... 120 00:04:46,253 --> 00:04:48,622 NEWSMAN 2: Justice Samuel Alito says, 121 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:57,364 Yeah, believe it or not, according to this argument, 122 00:04:57,464 --> 00:05:00,400 there actually is no fundamental right 123 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:03,403 for women to control their own bodies. Yeah. 124 00:05:03,504 --> 00:05:06,039 Lawmakers could pass laws giving them that, 125 00:05:06,073 --> 00:05:08,041 but that right is not part 126 00:05:08,075 --> 00:05:10,410 of this nation's history and traditions. 127 00:05:10,511 --> 00:05:12,579 Which is kind of true. 128 00:05:12,679 --> 00:05:14,548 I mean, the history of this nation is 129 00:05:14,648 --> 00:05:16,250 that men can control what women do, 130 00:05:16,350 --> 00:05:18,151 and that's what we want to go back to, right? Progress? 131 00:05:18,252 --> 00:05:20,187 Yes? Yes? Am I getting it right? 132 00:05:20,287 --> 00:05:22,055 I mean, but then again, the right to an abortion 133 00:05:22,122 --> 00:05:24,057 has also been around for 50 years now. Think about it. 134 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:25,659 You want to talk about history and tradition? 135 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,661 I think it's safe to say that that's tradition at this point. 136 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:29,296 Like, if you go without electricity 137 00:05:29,396 --> 00:05:30,797 for a weekend, you're camping. 138 00:05:30,898 --> 00:05:32,165 If you go without it for 50 years, 139 00:05:32,266 --> 00:05:34,568 you're Amish, mother(bleep). That's just who you are. 140 00:05:34,668 --> 00:05:36,570 That's just who you are. 141 00:05:36,670 --> 00:05:38,572 (applause and cheering) 142 00:05:38,672 --> 00:05:41,074 And most people... most people thought 143 00:05:41,141 --> 00:05:43,777 the freedom to choose was just how America was. 144 00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:45,946 No one ever thought the G.O.P. could just roll it back 145 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:47,915 by playing a reverse Uno card. 146 00:05:48,081 --> 00:05:49,883 They didn't know it was a thing. 147 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:51,185 I mean, okay, for perspective, 148 00:05:51,285 --> 00:05:52,719 for perspective, consider this. 149 00:05:52,819 --> 00:05:56,723 It wasn't until the year after Roe v. Wade 150 00:05:56,823 --> 00:05:59,293 that women in America got the legal right 151 00:05:59,393 --> 00:06:02,062 to have a credit card without a man. 152 00:06:02,162 --> 00:06:04,398 Think about that. Yeah. 153 00:06:04,498 --> 00:06:06,400 And I think we would all agree it would be a little weird 154 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:07,935 if the court was suddenly like, 155 00:06:08,035 --> 00:06:10,037 "Look, if the Founders wanted women to have credit cards, 156 00:06:10,103 --> 00:06:12,472 "they would have said so. They would have." 157 00:06:12,573 --> 00:06:14,308 (laughter) 158 00:06:14,408 --> 00:06:16,043 And, look, this ruling is bad enough on its own, 159 00:06:16,109 --> 00:06:17,845 but it also sets a new precedent 160 00:06:17,945 --> 00:06:19,413 that can make things even worse. 161 00:06:19,513 --> 00:06:22,216 Because if the right to privacy 162 00:06:22,316 --> 00:06:25,853 that Roe is based on doesn't actually exist, 163 00:06:25,953 --> 00:06:28,655 then all sorts of things could become illegal-- 164 00:06:28,755 --> 00:06:30,858 contraception, gay marriage, 165 00:06:30,958 --> 00:06:32,860 -sex before marriage... -WOMAN: No. 166 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,396 -(laughter) -...adultery, masturbation. 167 00:06:36,496 --> 00:06:39,099 I mean, everyone assumed that these things were here to stay. 168 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:40,634 Yeah, but give this court some time, 169 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:43,670 and you could just wake up and find yourself back in the 1960s, 170 00:06:43,770 --> 00:06:45,072 except you wouldn't have hitchhiking. 171 00:06:45,138 --> 00:06:46,540 Which is the best part of the 1960s. 172 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,409 Yeah, back then, everyone was an Uber driver. 173 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:51,678 And now, despite how it may sometimes feel, 174 00:06:51,778 --> 00:06:54,281 the Supreme Court is not the only branch of government. 175 00:06:54,381 --> 00:06:57,117 Right? There's still also the president and Congress 176 00:06:57,217 --> 00:06:58,619 and the Illuminati. Wait. Sorry. 177 00:06:58,719 --> 00:06:59,786 No, I didn't say that last part. 178 00:06:59,887 --> 00:07:02,589 Sorry. Just the president and Congress. 179 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:04,157 And so, because of that, elected officials 180 00:07:04,258 --> 00:07:08,529 from both parties immediately weighed in on the stunning news. 181 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:11,298 If we had to pick a word that our caucus feels, 182 00:07:11,398 --> 00:07:12,900 it's "infuriated." 183 00:07:13,033 --> 00:07:16,470 It's sweet because we're finally vindicating the Constitution. 184 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:25,045 This is a great victory. 185 00:07:25,078 --> 00:07:27,181 Uh, it's a great victory for God. 186 00:07:27,281 --> 00:07:32,252 I have seen the world where abortion is illegal, 187 00:07:32,352 --> 00:07:36,290 and we are not going back. 188 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:39,059 ANCHOR: Republican Senator Susan Collins calling this decision, 189 00:07:39,092 --> 00:07:43,630 "Inconsistent with what Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh 190 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:46,633 said in their confirmation hearings" and in her private 191 00:07:46,733 --> 00:07:49,970 meetings with them before she agreed to vote for them. 192 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:51,405 Really, Susan Collins? 193 00:07:51,505 --> 00:07:53,640 You're really gonna tell us that you didn't think 194 00:07:53,740 --> 00:07:56,243 the conservative justices were gonna overturn Roe v. Wade? 195 00:07:56,343 --> 00:07:57,344 You didn't think that? 196 00:07:57,444 --> 00:07:59,213 That's their whole thing. 197 00:07:59,313 --> 00:08:01,648 It's like letting Pac-Man borrow your dots 198 00:08:01,748 --> 00:08:03,417 and then being shocked that he ate them all. 199 00:08:03,517 --> 00:08:06,320 That's what Pac-Man does! How are you the only person on Earth 200 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:09,389 who doesn't know Pac-Man? 201 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,359 I mean, look, I will say, in Senator Collins' defense, 202 00:08:12,459 --> 00:08:14,061 it is insane-- it really is insane-- 203 00:08:14,161 --> 00:08:16,630 that Supreme Court Justices can just lie in their job interview 204 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:19,499 without any repercussions. Right? 205 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,034 You couldn't even do that shit at Kinko's. 206 00:08:21,101 --> 00:08:23,737 If you claimed that you're an expert at clearing paper jams 207 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:25,205 and then, when you get there, all you know how to do 208 00:08:25,305 --> 00:08:29,243 is make copies of your butt, Kinko's is gonna fire you. 209 00:08:29,343 --> 00:08:31,078 So, obviously, Republicans are ecstatic. 210 00:08:31,178 --> 00:08:32,913 And Democrats are furious. 211 00:08:33,046 --> 00:08:36,216 And technically, Democrats could legalize abortion 212 00:08:36,316 --> 00:08:38,886 through Congress, if they get rid of the filibuster. 213 00:08:39,052 --> 00:08:42,122 The only problem is they don't have the votes to do that. 214 00:08:42,222 --> 00:08:45,392 Although, who knows? Susan Collins is so gullible, 215 00:08:45,492 --> 00:08:47,794 you know, Chuck Schumer can probably get her to sign on 216 00:08:47,895 --> 00:08:50,731 to the filibuster reform by just hiding it in a birthday card. 217 00:08:50,831 --> 00:08:53,667 "Yeah. That's right. Just sign here. It's a group thing 218 00:08:53,767 --> 00:08:56,069 "for the whole grou-- Everyone's gonna love-- It's a janitor's 219 00:08:56,136 --> 00:08:58,705 "birthday. We're all signing. Just sign here. Yeah, 220 00:08:58,805 --> 00:09:01,008 his name is Phil Buster. Sign here." 221 00:09:05,145 --> 00:09:09,016 Now, what's really interesting about this story is that, 222 00:09:09,082 --> 00:09:11,919 while many people are upset about the decision itself, 223 00:09:12,019 --> 00:09:15,022 some people are only upset 224 00:09:15,122 --> 00:09:18,325 that we're hearing about the decision. 225 00:09:18,425 --> 00:09:21,895 I have never, as you said, seen a leak like this at the Court 226 00:09:22,029 --> 00:09:23,630 in the years that I've covered it. 227 00:09:23,730 --> 00:09:26,433 It is astonishing, uh, that somebody would release 228 00:09:26,533 --> 00:09:28,435 a draft opinion outside of the Court. 229 00:09:28,535 --> 00:09:32,673 This is as corrosive, as destructive to the Supreme Court 230 00:09:32,773 --> 00:09:34,274 as we've ever seen. 231 00:09:34,374 --> 00:09:37,644 This is an insurrection against the Supreme Court. 232 00:09:37,744 --> 00:09:40,080 The Justices must be able 233 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:42,516 to discuss and deliberate 234 00:09:42,616 --> 00:09:44,218 in an environment 235 00:09:44,318 --> 00:09:47,254 of total trust and privacy. 236 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:50,958 It is not up to a law clerk 237 00:09:51,058 --> 00:09:52,793 to decide when the decision of the Court 238 00:09:52,893 --> 00:09:53,827 will be announced. 239 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:55,329 This should have never happened. 240 00:09:55,429 --> 00:09:58,131 They should be able to make decisions in private, in secret, 241 00:09:58,232 --> 00:10:01,401 and then, once they're ready to decide and let the country know 242 00:10:01,502 --> 00:10:03,804 how that they have ruled, let it out. 243 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:06,640 Yeah. Yeah. I like that a lot. I understand why these people 244 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:09,042 are upset. You heard what they said. The conservative majority 245 00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:11,778 on this Court has a fundamental right to choose 246 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:15,415 when they want to release a decision into the world. 247 00:10:15,516 --> 00:10:18,452 Imagine having some random person violate your privacy 248 00:10:18,552 --> 00:10:22,089 and make that choice for you. Who would do such a thing? 249 00:10:25,692 --> 00:10:27,828 It's crazy... 250 00:10:27,928 --> 00:10:30,931 it's crazy how conservatives always manage 251 00:10:31,031 --> 00:10:33,867 to make themselves the victim in any situation. 252 00:10:33,967 --> 00:10:36,036 I mean, they have just accomplished this thing 253 00:10:36,136 --> 00:10:38,505 that they've been working towards for 50 years, 254 00:10:38,605 --> 00:10:40,007 and their first reaction is, 255 00:10:40,107 --> 00:10:43,477 "It's so unfair what's happening to us." 256 00:10:43,577 --> 00:10:45,712 W-W-- I'm sorry, what-- you wanted your ruling to be 257 00:10:45,812 --> 00:10:48,448 a big surprise and now someone ruined it? Yeah, I-I'm really 258 00:10:48,549 --> 00:10:51,018 sorry this decision to colonize every vagina in America 259 00:10:51,118 --> 00:10:54,955 wasn't given the respect and dignity that it deserved. 260 00:10:55,055 --> 00:10:56,723 Yeah, right now you all sound like a serial killer 261 00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:58,392 who's upset that your potential victim 262 00:10:58,492 --> 00:10:59,927 busted you in the back seat. 263 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,629 "You weren't supposed to look here! You were just supposed to 264 00:11:02,729 --> 00:11:04,798 "sit in the front and then I was gonna put a bag on your head, 265 00:11:04,898 --> 00:11:07,801 and now it's ruined! (exclaims) I hope you have a happy life!" 266 00:11:07,901 --> 00:11:09,937 (exclaiming) 267 00:11:14,107 --> 00:11:16,510 So, look, man, understandably, today has been 268 00:11:16,610 --> 00:11:19,279 a very frustrating and upsetting day for most people 269 00:11:19,379 --> 00:11:21,281 in the United States. And we'll keep watching 270 00:11:21,381 --> 00:11:22,616 to see how this develops. 271 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:24,218 But for now, though, let's check in on the weather 272 00:11:24,318 --> 00:11:25,819 with our very own Desi Lydic, everybody. 273 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:27,955 (cheering and applause) 274 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:31,592 -Thank you. -NOAH: Crazy day, Desi. 275 00:11:31,692 --> 00:11:34,161 -Yeah. -NOAH: What's happening across the country? 276 00:11:34,261 --> 00:11:36,396 Well, as you can see behind me, Trevor, 277 00:11:36,496 --> 00:11:38,432 in about half the states in this country, 278 00:11:38,532 --> 00:11:42,736 women's rights are being burnt to the goddamn ground! 279 00:11:43,704 --> 00:11:45,873 'Cause if this court decision becomes a reality, 280 00:11:45,973 --> 00:11:48,242 women in these states are screwed. 281 00:11:48,342 --> 00:11:51,278 And not just the normal, like, "I live in Texas" screwed. 282 00:11:51,378 --> 00:11:52,980 Yeah, I-I have to agree, Desi, 283 00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:54,681 because, like, it is a horrible day 284 00:11:54,781 --> 00:11:56,650 for women's rights to choose. 285 00:11:56,750 --> 00:11:58,519 Yeah, well, actually, Trevor, 286 00:11:58,619 --> 00:12:01,054 women do still have the right to choose. 287 00:12:01,088 --> 00:12:03,390 We can choose who to blame 288 00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:06,593 for this mother(bleep) shit show of a travesty. 289 00:12:06,693 --> 00:12:08,629 -(cheering and applause) -Yeah. 290 00:12:08,729 --> 00:12:11,064 Like, for example, 291 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:13,767 I choose to blame Donald Trump 292 00:12:13,867 --> 00:12:16,470 and Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell. 293 00:12:16,570 --> 00:12:18,405 All great choices. 294 00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:21,375 Thanks to them, every red state uterus 295 00:12:21,475 --> 00:12:23,277 is about to be public domain again, 296 00:12:23,377 --> 00:12:27,114 like a "Yankee Doodle Dandy" of reproductive organs. 297 00:12:27,214 --> 00:12:30,083 You know what? I'm even choosing to blame the Democrats. 298 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:32,953 Yeah. That's right. For not being aggressive enough. 299 00:12:33,086 --> 00:12:35,956 For not codifying Roe when they had the power to. 300 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,358 -(cheering and applause) -Yeah. 301 00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:41,195 For not visiting freaking Wisconsin. 302 00:12:41,295 --> 00:12:43,297 It is not that hard to get there. 303 00:12:43,397 --> 00:12:45,399 I did it once by accident. 304 00:12:45,499 --> 00:12:48,101 There is so much blame to go around, 305 00:12:48,202 --> 00:12:50,404 it's like a raging blame gauntlet 306 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:52,506 or RBG for short. 307 00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:54,408 Oh, goddamn. I see what you did there. 308 00:12:54,508 --> 00:12:55,876 Oh, did you? Do you? 309 00:12:55,976 --> 00:12:59,112 What? I'm just using that common phrase we all know, 310 00:12:59,213 --> 00:13:01,114 -raging blame gauntlet. -Oh, okay. Okay. 311 00:13:01,215 --> 00:13:02,482 I hear what you're saying. 312 00:13:02,583 --> 00:13:05,619 Look, women truly have endless choices 313 00:13:05,719 --> 00:13:07,487 when it comes to who to blame for this. 314 00:13:07,588 --> 00:13:10,724 I blame the way society has made this a woman's problem. 315 00:13:10,824 --> 00:13:13,060 I also blame the patriarchy 316 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:15,562 and sperm 317 00:13:15,662 --> 00:13:18,732 and having gym teachers teach sex ed. 318 00:13:18,832 --> 00:13:21,602 It does not look like a banana, right? 319 00:13:21,702 --> 00:13:23,403 Well, I mean, sometimes it actually can with... 320 00:13:23,504 --> 00:13:26,507 And you know what? I also choose to blame the media. 321 00:13:26,607 --> 00:13:28,976 And what about those stupid pink pussy hats? 322 00:13:29,076 --> 00:13:30,277 They didn't do shit. 323 00:13:30,377 --> 00:13:33,480 I'm blaming evolution, 324 00:13:33,580 --> 00:13:35,782 'cause why did we get the uteruses? 325 00:13:35,883 --> 00:13:39,486 Or God. Why did he give us the uteruses? 326 00:13:39,586 --> 00:13:41,288 And, yeah, you know what, I think it's safe 327 00:13:41,388 --> 00:13:43,690 to say now God's a man. 328 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:46,093 And you know what else, Trevor? 329 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:48,729 I'm pissed at whoever leaked this. 330 00:13:48,829 --> 00:13:51,198 Wait, you're upset about the leak? 331 00:13:51,298 --> 00:13:53,867 Yeah, of course. We could have been living 332 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:56,003 in ignorant bliss for the next two months 333 00:13:56,103 --> 00:13:59,406 before women legally become dystopian Diaper Genies. 334 00:13:59,506 --> 00:14:01,875 The worse spoiler ever. 335 00:14:02,042 --> 00:14:04,211 (sighs) But you know what, Trevor? 336 00:14:04,311 --> 00:14:07,781 I-I just have to say the most important choice 337 00:14:07,881 --> 00:14:11,652 that we can all make now is to not accept this. 338 00:14:11,752 --> 00:14:14,321 We can choose to fight back. 339 00:14:14,421 --> 00:14:18,292 We can choose to put pressure on our lawmakers. 340 00:14:18,392 --> 00:14:22,262 We can choose to donate to abortion rights groups. 341 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,097 -(cheering and applause) -Yeah. 342 00:14:24,198 --> 00:14:25,566 And... 343 00:14:26,667 --> 00:14:27,801 -NOAH: I hear you there. -Yeah. 344 00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:29,403 -I hear you there. -And most importantly, 345 00:14:29,503 --> 00:14:32,439 I am choosing to take the rest of the week off. 346 00:14:32,539 --> 00:14:34,608 -Wait, what? -Yeah. All women... 347 00:14:34,708 --> 00:14:36,176 -All women... -(cheering and applause) 348 00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:39,746 We're all taking the rest of the week off. 349 00:14:39,847 --> 00:14:41,982 -That's cool, right? -Uh, Desi Lydic, everyone. 350 00:14:42,082 --> 00:14:43,851 I feel like I can't say no to that. 351 00:14:43,951 --> 00:14:45,285 All right, when we come back, 352 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:47,087 we'll be talking about what can be done 353 00:14:47,154 --> 00:14:49,523 with Senator Amy Klobuchar, so don't go away. 354 00:14:49,623 --> 00:14:51,658 (cheering and applause) 355 00:14:59,132 --> 00:15:01,167 (cheering and applause) 356 00:15:06,139 --> 00:15:08,041 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 357 00:15:08,141 --> 00:15:10,476 Today, everyone is processing the shocking news 358 00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:12,545 that the Supreme Court is preparing to overturn 359 00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:13,946 Roe v. Wade. 360 00:15:14,047 --> 00:15:16,883 To discuss what that means and what can be done about that, 361 00:15:16,983 --> 00:15:19,252 we're joined now by Senator Amy Klobuchar, 362 00:15:19,352 --> 00:15:21,788 who's live in Washington, D.C. 363 00:15:21,888 --> 00:15:23,456 Senator Klobuchar, thank you so much 364 00:15:23,556 --> 00:15:25,758 -for joining us on the show. -Thanks. Thanks, Trevor. 365 00:15:25,858 --> 00:15:27,193 Let's jump straight into it. 366 00:15:27,293 --> 00:15:29,629 Everyone was shocked, appalled... 367 00:15:29,729 --> 00:15:31,931 (stammers) just really, you know, blown away 368 00:15:32,031 --> 00:15:34,634 by the possibility that this could actually be a decision. 369 00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:35,968 Especially because, for 50 years, 370 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:38,338 people have thought that this was settled law. 371 00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:39,772 Wh-Where do you stand now? 372 00:15:39,872 --> 00:15:43,076 Where does America go from here, as a sitting senator? 373 00:15:43,176 --> 00:15:45,311 Well, first, as a sitting senator, 374 00:15:45,411 --> 00:15:47,380 let me say, I am mad. 375 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,781 I am pissed off. 376 00:15:48,881 --> 00:15:52,185 These justices, these-- the nominees came before us-- 377 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:54,654 of course, I voted against 'em-- but they said, 378 00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:56,589 "Oh, this is the law of the land. 379 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:59,726 "Oh, this is a case that has been affirmed over 380 00:15:59,826 --> 00:16:01,427 and over and over again." 381 00:16:01,527 --> 00:16:03,896 And then what do they do when they get a chance? 382 00:16:03,996 --> 00:16:05,431 Uh, they're gonna overturn it. 383 00:16:05,531 --> 00:16:07,800 And we predicted this was gonna happen. 384 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:10,236 But what this means, uh, right now, 385 00:16:10,336 --> 00:16:12,505 if this happens, over 20 states-- 386 00:16:12,605 --> 00:16:14,707 many of them have laws already in place-- 387 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:16,042 will ban abortion. 388 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:18,611 We'll have a patchwork of laws across the country. 389 00:16:18,711 --> 00:16:20,747 So the answer is not that. 390 00:16:20,847 --> 00:16:23,750 The answer is that a federal law is passed 391 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:27,053 to codify Roe v. Wade into law 392 00:16:27,153 --> 00:16:29,956 so it is the law of the land. 393 00:16:30,056 --> 00:16:34,093 -So, with that being said... -(applause) 394 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:36,329 ...how do you... how do you begin to do that? 395 00:16:36,429 --> 00:16:38,398 Because I'm-I'm sure many Republicans out there right now 396 00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:40,166 are going, "Well, that's why we voted. 397 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:41,601 "That's why we voted for Trump. 398 00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,803 That's why we're happy that McConnell is in power." 399 00:16:43,903 --> 00:16:46,706 Because however they did it, they managed to get it done. 400 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:48,274 And then I see a lot of Democrats 401 00:16:48,374 --> 00:16:50,276 or people who voted for the Democrats saying, 402 00:16:50,309 --> 00:16:52,779 "Well, are we going to get what we voted for?" 403 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:54,981 Are the women who voted for this party going to see 404 00:16:55,081 --> 00:16:56,683 actions being taken or is it gonna be a case 405 00:16:56,783 --> 00:16:58,918 of "we don't have the votes and we can't figure out 406 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:00,319 how to make it happen"? 407 00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:02,588 Well, two, people have to show where they stand 408 00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:04,557 and we have to have this vote. 409 00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:06,125 It's critical. And as you know, 410 00:17:06,225 --> 00:17:08,394 the vast majority of Democrats in Congress-- 411 00:17:08,494 --> 00:17:11,464 this has already passed the House-- support this bill. 412 00:17:11,564 --> 00:17:13,733 So that is going to happen very quickly. 413 00:17:13,833 --> 00:17:16,235 I agree with you. We should get rid of the filibuster. 414 00:17:16,269 --> 00:17:18,438 I don't know if you know. There are over 100 exceptions 415 00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:21,074 to that filibuster, where, like everyone else, 416 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,342 like the House of Representatives, 417 00:17:22,442 --> 00:17:23,843 like democracies across the world, 418 00:17:23,943 --> 00:17:25,345 we have majority votes. 419 00:17:25,445 --> 00:17:28,681 They have majority votes on things like the Trump tax cuts. 420 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:31,250 They have majority votes on space accidents. 421 00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:34,654 They have majority votes on things like arms sales. 422 00:17:34,754 --> 00:17:38,458 And so you're gonna tell me that we have to get 60 votes 423 00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:42,261 to change something that this right-wing Supreme Court 424 00:17:42,295 --> 00:17:44,864 has put in place, uh, where, in fact, 425 00:17:44,964 --> 00:17:46,265 they are against the wishes 426 00:17:46,366 --> 00:17:50,036 of nearly 80% of the American people? 427 00:17:50,136 --> 00:17:53,006 So if something's worth getting rid of the filibuster for 428 00:17:53,106 --> 00:17:55,308 or making an exception to the filibuster, this is it. 429 00:17:55,408 --> 00:18:00,213 And by the way, if that doesn't work, you know that old line? 430 00:18:00,313 --> 00:18:02,048 "Don't get mad, vote"? 431 00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:06,019 I say, get mad and vote. We have to do both. 432 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,021 (applause and cheering) 433 00:18:08,121 --> 00:18:11,024 Let's talk a little bit about strategy, then. 434 00:18:11,124 --> 00:18:12,658 There are two Republican senators 435 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:14,027 who have been on record 436 00:18:14,127 --> 00:18:15,561 as saying that they are pro-choice-- 437 00:18:15,661 --> 00:18:17,263 Senator Collins And Senator Murkowski. 438 00:18:17,363 --> 00:18:18,965 And they said, "Hey, we're pro-choice 439 00:18:19,065 --> 00:18:21,868 even though we voted for these conservative justices." 440 00:18:21,968 --> 00:18:24,303 Would this be a moment where you basically ask them 441 00:18:24,404 --> 00:18:25,705 to put their money where their mouth is, 442 00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:27,440 and say, "Well, if you said you are pro-choice, 443 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:28,808 "and now you see that these justices 444 00:18:28,908 --> 00:18:30,376 have gone against what they said..." 445 00:18:30,476 --> 00:18:33,279 Do you think you could get them to vote with the Democrats? 446 00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:37,116 I can't predict what they're going to do, but I can tell you, 447 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:40,586 yes, this is a moment where people have to make a decision. 448 00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:42,422 When you look at the history, 449 00:18:42,522 --> 00:18:45,158 all kinds of exceptions to that filibuster. 450 00:18:45,258 --> 00:18:46,659 And this is a moment where, one-- 451 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,295 we have to codify Roe v. Wade into law, 452 00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:51,464 especially if they have been betrayed 453 00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:55,268 by these justices who they claim made one claim to them, 454 00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:56,903 -and then voted another way. -Mm-hmm. 455 00:18:57,003 --> 00:18:59,672 And then, secondly, they've got to make their own decision. 456 00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:01,541 They're both independent thinkers, 457 00:19:01,641 --> 00:19:03,409 and so, I don't rule that out. 458 00:19:03,509 --> 00:19:07,080 But I also look to the fall as part of this strategy. 459 00:19:07,213 --> 00:19:09,115 You can't just look at both things separately. 460 00:19:09,215 --> 00:19:11,217 As well as the fights that are going to happen 461 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:14,053 in every single state legislature in the country. 462 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,055 Because this is going to be battled out 463 00:19:16,222 --> 00:19:17,457 state by state by state. 464 00:19:17,557 --> 00:19:19,559 Because I think when these judges said-- 465 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:23,229 and we always thought they wanted to go back to the 1950s-- 466 00:19:23,296 --> 00:19:24,764 I think what we didn't realize 467 00:19:24,864 --> 00:19:27,233 when they said the '50s, it was the 1850s. 468 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:30,636 And when one branch is screwing up so bad that they're... 469 00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:33,973 in taking positions that reverse 50 years of precedent 470 00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:36,676 and against 80% of the American people, 471 00:19:36,776 --> 00:19:38,778 yeah, the other branch is supposed to... 472 00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:40,813 of government is supposed to step in. 473 00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:44,017 That's what our system of government was set to do. 474 00:19:44,117 --> 00:19:47,320 And not make women get back-alley abortions 475 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:50,790 and travel across state lines just to exercise 476 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:54,427 their constitutional-- and I believe it's constitutional-- 477 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,929 right to make decisions about their own health care. 478 00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:59,799 -(cheers and applause) -Do you...? 479 00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:04,103 Do you worry at all...? 480 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,572 Do you worry at all that the Supreme Court 481 00:20:06,673 --> 00:20:09,308 has lost its neutrality as an institution in America? 482 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:10,710 There was a time when people said, 483 00:20:10,810 --> 00:20:12,812 "The Supreme Court rules on the laws 484 00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:15,281 that have been passed and the interpretation of those laws." 485 00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:17,717 And, yet, now it feels very much like a seesaw. 486 00:20:17,817 --> 00:20:19,852 Is there a way you can see America fixing this, 487 00:20:19,952 --> 00:20:22,455 or is this just how it's going to be from now on? 488 00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:24,824 First of all, I'll note, I take this personally, 489 00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:26,426 because the justice, 490 00:20:26,526 --> 00:20:28,928 who was a Republican president appointed justice-- 491 00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:32,398 that would be Justice Blackman-- um, was from Minnesota. 492 00:20:32,498 --> 00:20:36,235 And he is the one that maybe surprised those 493 00:20:36,336 --> 00:20:38,571 that had asked for him to be appointed 494 00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,440 by writing Roe v. Wade. 495 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:43,476 So that kind of independence is not what you're seeing 496 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:44,977 with these conservative justices. 497 00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:47,580 Now, you have seen it from time to time 498 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,382 with Justice Roberts who voted 499 00:20:49,482 --> 00:20:51,951 to uphold The Affordable Care Act, 500 00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:54,253 who has taken a number of votes. 501 00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:57,557 And as if he's some radical liberal. Not really. 502 00:20:57,657 --> 00:21:00,493 But it has gone so extreme that he has been siding 503 00:21:00,593 --> 00:21:02,095 with some of the liberal justices. 504 00:21:02,195 --> 00:21:06,032 Sadly, if this leaked opinion and what we're hearing is true, 505 00:21:06,199 --> 00:21:08,201 that won't even matter if he did that 506 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:09,669 because it was 5-4. 507 00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:12,438 So, as I look to the future, what do we need to do? 508 00:21:12,538 --> 00:21:14,974 Well, I think the first thing we need to do 509 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:18,311 is to, um, make sure that we're putting judges in place. 510 00:21:18,411 --> 00:21:19,946 And I will tell you, uh, 511 00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,547 with the wonderful new appointment 512 00:21:21,647 --> 00:21:24,484 of Justice Jackson to that Supreme Court-- 513 00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:25,918 she will be starting soon-- 514 00:21:26,019 --> 00:21:28,121 -that is a good beginning. -(cheering and applause) 515 00:21:28,221 --> 00:21:29,989 And what a moment that was 516 00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:32,625 when she got out of the dark and musky 517 00:21:32,725 --> 00:21:35,294 Senate Judiciary cave that it was 518 00:21:35,395 --> 00:21:37,230 and got out in that beautiful sunshine 519 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:38,698 on the White House lawn. 520 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:41,034 There was no Ted Cruz on that lawn. 521 00:21:41,134 --> 00:21:43,436 And that was her moment. (chuckles) 522 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:46,239 But now, sadly, the Supreme Court has told us 523 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:49,275 we will no longer allow women to make their decisions 524 00:21:49,375 --> 00:21:50,677 with their doctors, Trevor. 525 00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:53,713 It will be Ted Cruz that can make those decisions. 526 00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:56,649 But the bottom line right now is we are not gonna be able 527 00:21:56,749 --> 00:21:59,185 to fix that court before the fall. 528 00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:01,587 And I think your audience knows that right now. 529 00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:04,457 What we have to do is push these votes, 530 00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:08,227 show people where they are, show people where Democrats are 531 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:09,729 and where Republicans are. 532 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:11,297 And if we can't get this done 533 00:22:11,397 --> 00:22:14,334 because we have a tied Senate at 50-50, 534 00:22:14,434 --> 00:22:16,369 then we go straight to the ballot box. 535 00:22:16,469 --> 00:22:17,770 We march to that box. 536 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:20,306 People turn out in record numbers. 537 00:22:20,406 --> 00:22:22,842 That is how we beat this, Trevor. 538 00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:25,511 That will be the last stand. 539 00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:27,413 -(applause) -Well, 540 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:29,215 I know you took a window of your time 541 00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:30,650 to come and talk to us. I appreci... 542 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,452 uh, appreciate you for that, Senator. Thank you so much. 543 00:22:32,552 --> 00:22:34,554 -Uh, we'll see you again next time. -And you did a great job 544 00:22:34,654 --> 00:22:36,222 at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. 545 00:22:36,322 --> 00:22:37,724 -Oh, thank you very much. -Thank you 546 00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:39,258 -for calling out Washington. -Appreciate that. Thank you. 547 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,729 I was there. It was amazing. 548 00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:44,964 -We want you back. Thank you. -Thank you very much. 549 00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:46,632 Thank you so much, Senator. Good seeing you again. 550 00:22:46,733 --> 00:22:48,001 -Thanks. -All right, don't go away, 551 00:22:48,101 --> 00:22:49,602 because after the break, we're gonna be talking 552 00:22:49,702 --> 00:22:51,337 to Bill Gates. We'll be right back. 553 00:22:51,437 --> 00:22:53,473 (cheering and applause) 554 00:23:02,716 --> 00:23:04,751 (cheering and applause) 555 00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:07,787 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 556 00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:09,823 My next guest is cochair 557 00:23:09,923 --> 00:23:12,158 of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Bill Gates. 558 00:23:12,259 --> 00:23:14,227 He's here to talk about his latest book, 559 00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:16,563 How to Prevent the Next Pandemic. 560 00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:18,298 Please welcome Bill Gates. 561 00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,433 -♪ ♪ -(cheering and applause) 562 00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:29,276 Thank you. 563 00:23:32,178 --> 00:23:33,947 -Welcome back to the show. -Thank you. 564 00:23:34,047 --> 00:23:35,615 So everyone gets a million dollars? Yeah? 565 00:23:35,715 --> 00:23:37,384 -(chuckles) -(cheering and applause) 566 00:23:37,484 --> 00:23:39,252 Oh, man. What... 567 00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,921 I mean, you hear the cheers. 568 00:23:41,021 --> 00:23:41,988 Maybe a book. 569 00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:43,790 -Maybe a book? Wow! -(laughs) 570 00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:45,091 Wow. 571 00:23:45,191 --> 00:23:46,359 Before we get into the book, let's talk 572 00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,695 about the news of the day, um, reproductive rights. 573 00:23:48,795 --> 00:23:50,730 This has been something that people have been fighting for 574 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:52,065 in America for decades. 575 00:23:52,165 --> 00:23:54,434 It feels like now America's really rewinding time. 576 00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:56,503 I know that you have been one of the biggest donors 577 00:23:56,603 --> 00:23:58,905 to women's reproductive rights in America. 578 00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:00,240 When you look at the work you're doing 579 00:24:00,340 --> 00:24:02,976 and when you look at what we can do to keep improving that 580 00:24:03,076 --> 00:24:04,811 and-and create that bastion, 581 00:24:04,911 --> 00:24:07,314 what are some of the things we can do? 582 00:24:07,414 --> 00:24:09,916 Well, first of all, this is a worldwide struggle. 583 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:12,052 Uh, there's a lot of countries that, 584 00:24:12,152 --> 00:24:13,486 you know, have never had these rights. 585 00:24:13,587 --> 00:24:15,221 It's strange to have the U.S. go back. 586 00:24:15,322 --> 00:24:17,724 But, uh, our foundation does a lot 587 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,659 on getting contraceptives out. 588 00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:22,062 -Uh, some people even fight against that. -Mm-hmm. 589 00:24:22,162 --> 00:24:24,464 Uh, you know, my dad ran the... 590 00:24:24,564 --> 00:24:26,199 chaired the local Planned Parenthood. 591 00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:28,735 Uh, so, you know, 592 00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:31,605 the idea of choice seems pretty basic. 593 00:24:31,705 --> 00:24:34,674 Um, mostly, you-you'd think it's forward progress, 594 00:24:34,841 --> 00:24:37,010 not-not one step backwards. 595 00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:38,678 Not one step back. Wh-What is it, 596 00:24:38,845 --> 00:24:40,847 one small step for the Supreme Court, 597 00:24:40,947 --> 00:24:43,316 one giant leap back for all women in America? 598 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:45,619 -Um... -(applause) 599 00:24:45,719 --> 00:24:47,554 Let's talk about the book. 600 00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:51,424 Bill Gates, How to Prevent the Next Pandemic. 601 00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:53,393 Why are you saying there's gonna be a next pandemic, Bill? 602 00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:54,694 Uh... 603 00:24:54,861 --> 00:24:57,197 -Why are you putting that juju on us? -(chuckles) 604 00:24:57,297 --> 00:24:58,932 Well, the risk is always there. 605 00:24:59,032 --> 00:25:00,700 We actually were pretty lucky 606 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:03,970 that we went 100 years without a really terrible pandemic. 607 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:05,939 -1918, Spanish flu. -Mm-hmm. 608 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,641 Now, COVID. 609 00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:11,211 And we shouldn't expect it'll be that long next time. 610 00:25:11,311 --> 00:25:13,480 Uh, it's not that hard to get ready. 611 00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:15,348 Um, you need to drill, 612 00:25:15,448 --> 00:25:17,384 -like you do for a fire. -Mm-hmm. 613 00:25:17,484 --> 00:25:20,487 Uh, we've got, you know, 300,000 firemen in the U.S. 614 00:25:20,587 --> 00:25:22,389 We've got nine million fire hydrants. 615 00:25:22,489 --> 00:25:24,057 Uh, and a lot less than that 616 00:25:24,157 --> 00:25:26,826 would make it so we wouldn't have to suffer, 617 00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,295 uh, another pandemic. 618 00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:29,930 Before we get into the... 619 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,465 you know, the future of it all, let's talk about the past. 620 00:25:32,565 --> 00:25:34,668 Uh, you know, I-I like how you lay out in the book 621 00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:36,369 what to do to prevent the next pandemic. 622 00:25:36,469 --> 00:25:38,138 You gave a TED Talk a while ago 623 00:25:38,238 --> 00:25:40,206 talking about basically what we just went through 624 00:25:40,307 --> 00:25:41,474 over the past two years, 625 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:43,843 and then people blamed you for creating it, 626 00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:45,445 -'cause that's how things work. -(chuckles) 627 00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:47,147 If you say it, it happens. It's the Secret. 628 00:25:47,247 --> 00:25:49,849 I've-I've read it. Um... 629 00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:52,619 And-and, you know, I-I found myself reading the book 630 00:25:52,719 --> 00:25:54,054 and I was fascinated. But I was going, 631 00:25:54,154 --> 00:25:55,855 "But shouldn't we also be interested 632 00:25:55,922 --> 00:25:57,724 in how this pandemic came to be?" 633 00:25:57,857 --> 00:26:00,393 Like-like, it-it's still shrouded in so much mystery. 634 00:26:00,493 --> 00:26:02,295 It's like, how do we prevent something 635 00:26:02,395 --> 00:26:04,564 where we don't even understand how it came to be? 636 00:26:04,664 --> 00:26:07,233 Like, you know, are there labs where they need to do better 637 00:26:07,334 --> 00:26:09,703 at-at, you know, enclosing the work that they're doing? 638 00:26:09,803 --> 00:26:10,904 I understand that they have to do the work, 639 00:26:11,004 --> 00:26:12,205 but how do we figure that out 640 00:26:12,305 --> 00:26:14,441 and how do we move forward in-in that realm? 641 00:26:14,541 --> 00:26:17,877 Well, we sh-should be careful about lab safety. 642 00:26:17,978 --> 00:26:19,613 It's quite clear in this case 643 00:26:19,713 --> 00:26:21,982 -that it came across through animals. -Mm-hmm. 644 00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:25,518 And almost all our diseases-- Like HIV crossed over 645 00:26:25,619 --> 00:26:28,822 from chimpanzees in Africa quite some time ago. 646 00:26:28,855 --> 00:26:30,190 Ebola came from bats. 647 00:26:30,290 --> 00:26:35,829 Uh, this also, with one step in between, came from bats. 648 00:26:35,862 --> 00:26:37,831 So it's going to keep happening, 649 00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:39,499 particularly with climate change, 650 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:43,203 where we're invading a lot of habitats. 651 00:26:43,303 --> 00:26:45,972 And you want to catch it as soon as you can. 652 00:26:46,072 --> 00:26:47,874 How do we do that? 653 00:26:47,974 --> 00:26:50,877 Well, you see people getting sick. 654 00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:54,381 You see elevated deaths, 655 00:26:54,481 --> 00:26:56,149 and you go in there, and you actually take 656 00:26:56,249 --> 00:26:58,351 and you sequence it early on. 657 00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:01,588 -And then you have a global group... -Right. 658 00:27:01,688 --> 00:27:04,691 that is ready to go, kind of like a fire squad, 659 00:27:04,791 --> 00:27:08,495 comes in and very quickly, you diagnose people. 660 00:27:08,595 --> 00:27:11,798 Some countries have had a tenth the deaths 661 00:27:11,865 --> 00:27:13,166 of the United States 662 00:27:13,266 --> 00:27:15,635 because they were a little bit more ready. 663 00:27:15,802 --> 00:27:17,871 -Right, right, right. -Uh, and, you know. 664 00:27:17,971 --> 00:27:20,340 So, boy, we learned a lot in this pandemic. 665 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,009 I mean, in 2015, yes, the warning was there. 666 00:27:23,109 --> 00:27:27,080 But now, we... we know a lot more. 667 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:29,583 And it's obvious, pretty obvious what should be done. 668 00:27:29,683 --> 00:27:31,885 You talk about this global squad, in the book, 669 00:27:31,985 --> 00:27:33,420 I think you've referred to it. 670 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,355 -It's... Could you say the name? -GERM. 671 00:27:35,455 --> 00:27:39,125 GERM. G-E-R-M. Global Epidemic Response and Mobilization. 672 00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:40,694 Why would you call it "GERM," though? Why...? 673 00:27:40,827 --> 00:27:43,096 If, like, if I need help, 674 00:27:43,196 --> 00:27:45,131 I wouldn't call, like, GERM to come and help me. 675 00:27:45,231 --> 00:27:47,734 -Why call it "GERM," though? -That might... Okay. 676 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:50,203 I'll-I'll give up the name as long as it gets funded. 677 00:27:50,303 --> 00:27:52,072 -Okay, fine. All right, fine. -(laughter) 678 00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:54,507 So explain it to me a little bit, you know. 679 00:27:54,608 --> 00:27:55,642 Because it seems like what you're trying 680 00:27:55,742 --> 00:27:57,043 to create is almost like a... 681 00:27:57,143 --> 00:27:58,545 you know, like, an interplanetary space force, 682 00:27:58,645 --> 00:28:01,781 but you're trying to do that for Earth, for our diseases. 683 00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:03,416 Isn't there going to be a limitation 684 00:28:03,516 --> 00:28:04,918 in how much can get done 685 00:28:05,018 --> 00:28:06,519 because the governments themselves may get in the way? 686 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:08,255 Like, China was a perfect example. 687 00:28:08,355 --> 00:28:09,923 They knew before people knew. 688 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:11,891 They tried to do their best, and they were like, 689 00:28:11,992 --> 00:28:13,693 "We're gonna handle this." They couldn't handle it. 690 00:28:13,793 --> 00:28:15,428 And that was crucial time that the world lost 691 00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:16,930 in trying to prepare themselves. 692 00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:18,698 So, wouldn't GERM be at the mercy 693 00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:21,034 of any particular nation? 694 00:28:21,134 --> 00:28:25,205 Yeah, we may have lost, you know, two or three weeks, 695 00:28:25,305 --> 00:28:29,509 if China had both domestically and globally talked about it. 696 00:28:29,609 --> 00:28:32,912 -Mm-hmm. -Um, you know, some countries, even so, 697 00:28:33,013 --> 00:28:35,849 that was enough time because they had practiced, 698 00:28:35,949 --> 00:28:38,351 -and they did diagnostics very quickly. -Ah, okay. 699 00:28:38,451 --> 00:28:41,521 Um, the next outbreak is, I'd say, equally likely 700 00:28:41,621 --> 00:28:44,557 to come out of a country in Africa 701 00:28:44,658 --> 00:28:46,860 where you don't have a very strong health system. 702 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,862 So, they won't try and cover it up, 703 00:28:48,962 --> 00:28:52,966 but unless you have a little bit of data gathering 704 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:57,437 and a group to fly in, you may take even longer 705 00:28:57,537 --> 00:28:59,706 to get the alarm bells ringing than we did this time. 706 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,777 So GERM will help the poor countries a lot, 707 00:29:03,877 --> 00:29:06,479 which is where a lot of the risk is. 708 00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,248 A lot of people have asked this question 709 00:29:08,348 --> 00:29:09,916 I mean, through the pandemic. Don't get me wrong. 710 00:29:10,016 --> 00:29:12,352 There were crazy takes, but some people asked, 711 00:29:12,452 --> 00:29:14,487 what, in my opinion, was a valid question. 712 00:29:14,588 --> 00:29:16,590 They said, "Well, why is Bill Gates the one 713 00:29:16,690 --> 00:29:18,425 who's talking about this?" I mean, if we want help 714 00:29:18,525 --> 00:29:20,260 with computers, we know we're going to call you, 715 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,164 but why are you the person who's writing books about a pandemic, 716 00:29:24,264 --> 00:29:25,498 or talking about a pandemic? 717 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:26,900 Is it because you're a billionaire? 718 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,234 Or what gives you that right? 719 00:29:28,335 --> 00:29:31,004 -(laughter) -Uh... 720 00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:35,809 Yeah, my full-time job is at the foundation now, 721 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:38,278 and we work on infectious diseases all the time. 722 00:29:38,378 --> 00:29:40,213 And pandemics, you know, 723 00:29:40,313 --> 00:29:42,816 you have to have people who know about vaccines 724 00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:45,952 and diagnostics and therapeutics and communications. 725 00:29:46,052 --> 00:29:48,154 Well, I was lucky enough for the last two years, 726 00:29:48,255 --> 00:29:51,157 as we put an extra two billion 727 00:29:51,258 --> 00:29:53,159 -into trying to stop this pandemic... -Mm-hmm. 728 00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:55,528 that I was listening to them and understanding. 729 00:29:55,629 --> 00:29:57,931 "Okay, we should have done this. We should have done that." 730 00:29:58,031 --> 00:30:00,867 So there's-there's amazing experts 731 00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:02,636 that I love working with. 732 00:30:02,769 --> 00:30:05,772 There's no one who kind of could make it simple. 733 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:09,209 Uh, and so my goal, like with my climate book, 734 00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:10,677 was to elucidate it 735 00:30:10,777 --> 00:30:12,312 in a way that would be quite straightforward. 736 00:30:12,412 --> 00:30:14,247 I see. So, you talk to the experts, 737 00:30:14,347 --> 00:30:15,916 and then you go like, "You guys speak gibberish. 738 00:30:16,016 --> 00:30:18,018 I'm gonna write it down in a way that people can understand." 739 00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:19,419 -It makes sense. It really... -That's the goal. 740 00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:21,288 I mean, that's like the graphical user interface. 741 00:30:21,388 --> 00:30:23,089 That's the whole idea. Get us away from it. 742 00:30:23,189 --> 00:30:25,492 -Um... (chuckles) It really is. -(applause) 743 00:30:25,592 --> 00:30:27,294 That's what it is. 744 00:30:28,929 --> 00:30:32,666 We are barely coming out of this pandemic. 745 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,701 What are some of the small things, 746 00:30:34,801 --> 00:30:37,404 just tiny things that we could put in place 747 00:30:37,504 --> 00:30:39,539 that would help us prevent 748 00:30:39,639 --> 00:30:41,908 or delay or eliminate altogether 749 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:45,278 another situation that decimates the entire globe? 750 00:30:45,378 --> 00:30:48,081 Well, it's too bad that we don't have 751 00:30:48,181 --> 00:30:51,918 trusted people we're seeing raise the vaccination level. 752 00:30:52,018 --> 00:30:53,987 I mean, this pandemic could still surprise us 753 00:30:54,087 --> 00:30:55,455 -with another variant. -Oh, boy. 754 00:30:55,555 --> 00:30:58,725 And, so, getting, uh, particularly elderly people, 755 00:30:58,825 --> 00:31:02,395 uh, to not only be vaccinated but to be boosted, 756 00:31:02,495 --> 00:31:04,898 you know, that can't be said loudly enough. 757 00:31:04,998 --> 00:31:08,101 Um, one thing I'm excited about 758 00:31:08,201 --> 00:31:11,805 is we will be able to have diagnostic machines 759 00:31:11,905 --> 00:31:14,274 to very rapidly test people. 760 00:31:14,374 --> 00:31:17,577 That... We really bungled that this time. 761 00:31:17,677 --> 00:31:20,080 -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. -Uh, and once those first 100 days go by, 762 00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:23,016 it's hard, uh, to make up for that. 763 00:31:23,116 --> 00:31:24,317 Uh, and, so, 764 00:31:24,417 --> 00:31:26,152 one of the cheapest things in here is getting 765 00:31:26,253 --> 00:31:29,356 those amazing breakthrough diagnostic machines out 766 00:31:29,456 --> 00:31:32,292 not just in the U.S. but, uh, in the entire world. 767 00:31:32,392 --> 00:31:33,994 And that's a big thing that you've been an advocate of, 768 00:31:34,094 --> 00:31:37,931 is, um, creating a fairer system 769 00:31:38,031 --> 00:31:40,700 of getting technology and resources out to the world. 770 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,168 I mean, you were one of the first people 771 00:31:42,269 --> 00:31:44,304 who complained about vaccines not going to Africa 772 00:31:44,404 --> 00:31:46,506 and not getting it out to the people who needed it. 773 00:31:46,606 --> 00:31:47,941 How do we change perspectives on that? 774 00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:50,977 How do you convince European or Western countries 775 00:31:51,077 --> 00:31:52,812 that they need to spend some of their money 776 00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:55,382 getting some of this equipment to help test people in Africa? 777 00:31:55,482 --> 00:31:58,518 Yeah, the inequity on this has been quite severe, 778 00:31:58,618 --> 00:32:00,854 whether it's within the country who suffered the most 779 00:32:00,954 --> 00:32:02,622 or globally. 780 00:32:02,756 --> 00:32:05,325 Uh, you know, who was last in line for the vaccines? 781 00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:07,294 The-the poor countries. 782 00:32:07,394 --> 00:32:10,497 If we, you know, can make it cheap enough, 783 00:32:10,597 --> 00:32:13,767 if we can have the capacity, uh, put those factories 784 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,435 in more places all over the world, 785 00:32:15,535 --> 00:32:17,304 uh, then we'll have equity. 786 00:32:17,404 --> 00:32:19,506 You know, I was a little surprised during the epidemic, 787 00:32:19,606 --> 00:32:21,041 people are like, "Oh." 788 00:32:21,141 --> 00:32:23,109 You know, saying, "Hey, we didn't get the vaccines there." 789 00:32:23,209 --> 00:32:26,613 Well, we have health inequity with all sorts of diseases. 790 00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:28,014 -Mm. -This isn't... 791 00:32:28,114 --> 00:32:30,216 You know, this is day in and day out we have inequity. 792 00:32:30,317 --> 00:32:33,820 But it's nice that this reminded them about infectious diseases. 793 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,423 -Ah. -So, you know, I'm talking to governments all the time 794 00:32:36,523 --> 00:32:39,793 about, "Hey, let's give more, uh, and help out 795 00:32:39,859 --> 00:32:41,161 and lift these countries up." 796 00:32:41,261 --> 00:32:43,830 Uh, there's a lot of distractions out there. 797 00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:45,098 Budgets are super tight. 798 00:32:45,198 --> 00:32:46,833 I hope that cause, 799 00:32:46,933 --> 00:32:50,804 uh, keeps in people's minds and remains a priority. 800 00:32:50,837 --> 00:32:52,639 But, uh, fighting for those budgets 801 00:32:52,806 --> 00:32:54,407 will probably be tougher in this next year 802 00:32:54,507 --> 00:32:55,976 than ever before. 803 00:32:56,076 --> 00:32:57,711 Well, it's a fascinating book. Thank you so much 804 00:32:57,811 --> 00:32:59,446 for joining us on the show again. Good to see you. 805 00:32:59,546 --> 00:33:01,114 Great to see you. Thanks. 806 00:33:01,214 --> 00:33:03,650 Bill's book How to Prevent the Next Pandemic 807 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:05,185 is available now. We're gonna take a quick break, 808 00:33:05,285 --> 00:33:06,987 but we'll be right back after this. 809 00:33:07,087 --> 00:33:08,555 Thank you again. 810 00:33:08,655 --> 00:33:10,690 (cheering and applause) 811 00:33:16,637 --> 00:33:17,805 Well, that's our show for tonight. 812 00:33:17,905 --> 00:33:20,641 But before we go, please consider supporting 813 00:33:20,741 --> 00:33:23,177 the National Network of Abortion Funds. 814 00:33:23,277 --> 00:33:24,645 They are a grassroots organization 815 00:33:24,745 --> 00:33:27,414 on the ground building power to remove financial, 816 00:33:27,515 --> 00:33:30,084 logistical, cultural and political barriers 817 00:33:30,184 --> 00:33:31,886 to a woman's right to choose. 818 00:33:31,986 --> 00:33:35,356 They form a network of over 70 grassroots organizations, 819 00:33:35,456 --> 00:33:37,925 and they recognize the power of local activists 820 00:33:38,025 --> 00:33:39,860 knowing what their communities actually need. 821 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,996 So, if you can, please donate at the link below. 822 00:33:42,096 --> 00:33:43,898 Until tomorrow, stay safe out there. 823 00:33:43,998 --> 00:33:46,867 And remember, if Pac-Man asks you to borrow your dots, 824 00:33:46,967 --> 00:33:48,769 you probably want to say no. 825 00:33:48,869 --> 00:33:51,472 Now, here it is, Your Moment of Zen. 826 00:33:51,572 --> 00:33:53,607 ♪ ♪ 827 00:33:57,077 --> 00:33:59,113 This country has a long tradition 828 00:33:59,213 --> 00:34:02,416 of resistance to being told what to do by government. 829 00:34:02,516 --> 00:34:03,818 This is about government mandates. 830 00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:05,085 This is about the government 831 00:34:05,186 --> 00:34:06,654 telling you what to do with your own body, 832 00:34:06,754 --> 00:34:09,156 and government does not tell me what to do with my body. 833 00:34:09,256 --> 00:34:11,725 Overwhelming government mandates sweep people up 834 00:34:11,826 --> 00:34:14,495 that otherwise should be able to make a choice for themselves 835 00:34:14,595 --> 00:34:16,030 and be responsible. 836 00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:17,431 I mean, that's what free citizens do. 837 00:34:17,531 --> 00:34:18,833 That's our right as Americans, 838 00:34:18,933 --> 00:34:21,335 and we should not be coerced by our government. 839 00:34:21,435 --> 00:34:22,770 What happened to "my body, my choice"? 840 00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:24,371 I always thought it was "my body, my choice." 841 00:34:24,472 --> 00:34:25,806 My body, my choice, right? 842 00:34:25,906 --> 00:34:27,408 Americans don't like to be lectured 843 00:34:27,508 --> 00:34:29,109 about giving up their freedom. 844 00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:31,579 My body, my choice.