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All right, let's kick
things off with inflation.
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As you know, all
across the world,
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prices have been skyrocketing.
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And it's all thanks to the
pandemic, supply chain issues,
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and a Russian man who clearly
wasn't hugged enough as a child.
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And because of that,
everything costs more.
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Groceries, gas, blackmail. It's
terrible. Everything.
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And every government around
the world is trying to
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figure out how to
bring inflation down,
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which is why now the Federal
Reserve is stepping in with
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a major move that America
hasn't seen in decades.
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ANCHOR: On Wednesday, the
Federal Reserve raised
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the interest rate by half a
percentage point--
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the biggest hike in 22 years.
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The increase makes borrowing
money more expensive,
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from new mortgages, to auto
loans, to credit cards rates.
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It's designed to cool down
consumer demand,
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and curb inflation, now at a
40-year high.
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ANCHOR 2: And Fed Chairman
Jerome Powell, saying the
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aggressive move-- They're
saying it can be done without
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risking a recession.
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So, there's a path to that. Now,
I would say I think
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we have a good chance
to-to have a soft-- or soft-ish
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landing, or outcome,
if you will.
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Okay, I felt confident in him
until he said...
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a soft-ish landing.
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Soft, I like. Softish-- Any
time you have to add "ish"
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to something, I don't
feel reassured anymore.
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"Yeah, this roller
coaster is safe-ish."
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"These clams are fresh-ish."
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"Yeah, baby, we're monogam-ish."
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You know how
this is going to end.
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But basically, basically,
here's how it all works, right?
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The Fed raises interest rates,
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which means the cost of
borrowing money goes up, which
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means that people and businesses
will spend less money,
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which then makes prices
start to come down.
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And it works because
higher interest rates affect
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so many things in your life. It
makes a mortgage more expensive,
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it makes car loans more
expensive, it makes
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paying off your
credit card more expensive.
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Even makes buying Twitter
more expensive.
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That's why Elon has to go
halfsies with Saudi Arabia, now.
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The trick--
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The trick, as Jerome Powell
was alluding to, is that
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you have to bring spending
down, but not too much too fast.
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Yeah. You got to
do it just right,
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or the economy could crash and
you end up in a recession.
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So it's a delicate
balance. You know?
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Think of it, um-- You know what?
Think of it--
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Think of the economy
like a house party, all right?
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Yeah, you-you want it to be
banging, you know what I mean?
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You want it to be banging,
but you don't want it to get
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out of control, because
no one can get a drink,
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everyone's punching and fighting
over what's left--
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It's chaos,
basically! It's chaos.
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So, raising the interest
rates is like trying to
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calm the party down. Right?
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But if you're too
extreme and call the cops,
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or if you just, like, turn on
the lights and now everyone sees
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who they were dancing
with,
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now the party ends.
The whole thing shuts down.
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That's a recession of a party.
So what the Federal Reserve
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is trying to do is change the
players just enough
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so people stay, but that
also make sure that nobody's
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dancing on the table.
Does that make sense?
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You understand what
we're doing, yeah? Yeah.
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So it is tricky. It is tricky.
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But they have to try
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because if they
don't do something,
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a dollar will get you
less and less every day,
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which is gonna suck
for everyone.
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Especially for the dollar.
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(laughter)
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"Man, this sucks!
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"Back in the day, people
used to use me for everything.
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"You could buy a horse with me.
You could buy a windmill.
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"Hell,
they bought Alaska with me,
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and they got change."
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(laughter and applause)
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"But look at me now.
Thanks to inflation,
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"I'm just a glorified bookmark
covered in fecal matter.
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"People don't even want to snort
cocaine with me anymore.
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"Now they only talk
about Benjamin.
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"That loser
wasn't even president.
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"The only things I have left
in my life now
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"are dollar stores
and strip clubs,
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"and I swear to God,
if strippers
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start taking Bitcoin,
I'm-a kill myself."
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(laughter and applause)
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The dollar's very angry.
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(cheering and applause)
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All right.
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All right, let's move on...
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let's move on to a politician
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who will presumably never be
on money,
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Madison Cawthorn,
North Carolina congressman
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and villain on every CW show.
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Five weeks ago,
Madison Cawthorn claimed
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that his Republican colleagues
were doing cocaine
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and having giant orgies,
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which he was
deeply disgusted by.
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Yeah. Because, you see,
he's a true Christian
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who stands for traditional
conservative values.
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Yeah. So, that's what he said
about his colleagues,
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and clearly,
he pissed somebody off,
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because since he made
that accusation,
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week after week,
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people have been leaking things
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that seem to be exposing him
as a fraud.
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Yeah. The scandals
have included everything
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from pictures in lingerie
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to allegations
of insider trading
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and a campaign aide
with their hand on his crotch.
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And now, in the words
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of the esteemed
political analyst DJ Khaled,
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another one.
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This is
a completely shocking video
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appearing to show
the congressman
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completely naked in this video.
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NEWSWOMAN: It reportedly
shows him acting crass,
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I guess could you say,
with a friend
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in a, uh, bedroom
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while not wearing
any clothing at all.
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Now, notably, this is put out
by an opposition group.
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This is a group
that's working actively
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to try to defeat the congressman
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in the upcoming
Republican primary.
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But the congressman, he admitted
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that it is, indeed,
him in the video.
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Yeah.
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Someone released a video
of Madison Cawthorn
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from a few years ago
before he was in Congress,
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naked, basically pretending
to hump his friend's face.
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And believe me,
I wish there was another way
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to say that, but there is not.
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(laughter and applause)
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That's the story.
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And you got to admit, man,
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these people are coming
for Madison Cawthorn.
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You know, in fact,
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the way they're coming
for Madison Cawthorn,
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I'm starting to think
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maybe those cocaine orgies
were real, you know?
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He said too much.
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So, for the 50th time,
Congressman Madison Cawthorn
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was forced to release
a statement explaining
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why this isn't
as bad as it seems.
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You are witnessing
one of the first examples
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of a politician who grew up
with a cell phone in their hand
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with the ability
to take photos, videos,
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and have others use that content
as a way to hurt you.
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Most of my colleagues
in Congress right now
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would not be serving
in Washington
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if they grew up
within a single mile
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of a cell phone growing up.
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Okay,
before we address the statement,
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can anyone explain to me
why the American flag
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is in that video?
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(laughter)
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That flag
wasn't humping anybody.
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Why are you dragging the flag
into this bullshit,
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Madison, huh?
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You can even see
the flag behind him like,
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"Uh-uh. Uh-uh.
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I wasn't there."
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(cheering and applause)
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Now, as for the point
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the young congressman
was making,
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as much as I do not like him,
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I have to agree.
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Since the beginning of time,
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people have had
the ability to insulate
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what they do in private
from what they do in public.
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But now we have
a whole generation
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who's growing up documenting
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every single dumb thing they do
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or say or hump.
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And-and honestly,
unless they're breaking the law,
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we're gonna have to figure out
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how to deal with this
in society.
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Right? Because thanks to phones,
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everyone's friends
have dirt on them.
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Yeah, honestly.
Everyone. Everyone.
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In fact, if your friends
don't have any dirt on you
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that could someday ruin
your career,
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then-- I'm sorry--
you're not friends.
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You're just acquaintances, okay?
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Understand that now.
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(laughter and applause)
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And, so, I agree.
I honestly agree.
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You know? This is just part
of the product of the times.
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Yeah, what he was doing
was extreme,
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but this is part of the times.
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Like, if previous generations
of politicians
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had the same technology
as we do now,
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we might have seen
really embarrassing selfies
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of Abe Lincoln, you know?
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Yeah, and can you imagine young
Mitch McConnell with an iPhone?
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(groaning)
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I mean, even if there was
nothing scandalous,
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we'd still have to see him
trying to look cool
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every single day on TikTok.
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-♪ ♪
-See him there, trying to...
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(laughter, applause)
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♪ ♪
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Yeah, he-he's looked like that
since he was 14.
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That's just his face.
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That would've gone viral,
by the way.
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All right, let's move on
to a story about space,
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Jeff Bezos' vacation home.
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For decades,
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humans have been trying
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to not only find other planets
for us to destroy
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but also intelligent life
for us to colonize.
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And we've tried everything.
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You know? We've sent out
deep space probes.
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We sent out radio waves.
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Uh, in the '50s, we sent, like,
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a bunch of dogs and monkeys
for some reason.
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But now,
after decades of no luck,
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NASA has decided
to take things up a notch.
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NEWSMAN: NASA scientists plan
to send pictures of naked humans
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into space, hoping to catch
the attention of aliens.
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Nudes will come
with an invitation to respond.
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Pictures aren't graphic.
Just a drawing of a naked man
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and a woman
next to a picture of DNA.
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NASA revealed this
as part of a project
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called Beacon in the Galaxy
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to send a message
to any alien civilizations.
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Okay.
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First things first,
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they've got to hire more women
over at NASA, because...
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only dudes would think the
best way to introduce yourself
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is with unsolicited nudes.
"Hey, aliens!
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You up there?"
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(cheering and applause)
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What are we doing?
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Those aliens
are gonna be really upset
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that they turned on
their AirDrop
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for everyone in the galaxy.
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But, also, but, also, but, also,
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if you are going to send nudes,
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why would you send these nudes?
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Let me tell you something, man,
if I was an alien,
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no way in hell
I'm coming to this planet.
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Like, if someone sent me
these nudes and they said,
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"Hey, you up?" I would be like,
"I am so far from up.
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I'm in a coma.
I will never be up again."
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I mean, look at this thing.
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Feels like you're sexting
with an Atari.
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what is that? Huh?
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The woman doesn't even have
a nose. Look at that shit.
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Think about what we're saying.
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Either this planet
has zero technology,
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because this is
how they draw themselves,
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or this is
how they actually look.
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Either way, I'm not coming.
I'm not coming.
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That's a terrible thing to send.
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Like, maybe if I was, like,
a 13-year-old alien,
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I could make that work.
Yeah. You know what I mean?
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But...
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but how are these the nudes
that we're sending to aliens?
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If we want aliens
to get interested,
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don't send them
an Etch A Sketch drawing.
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Send them coupons for OnlyFans.
Come on, man.
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Get them in the game.
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You know, honestly,
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even if the aliens
are interested,
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I think we've got to be careful.
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This is sending the wrong idea
about us into the galaxy.
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Just imagine for a second,
the very first thing
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we send to aliens
is naked photos?
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What, are we only trying
to make contact
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with the horniest aliens
in the universe?
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Yeah, no wonder every time
they abduct someone,
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they probe their butts. We're
sending out the wrong vibe.
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You understand
how scary this is?
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You know what's gonna happen
here, right?
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The aliens are gonna get here
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and they're just gonna expect
to smash immediately. Yeah.
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And then they're gonna be
disappointed.
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Yeah. Imagine if someone
you've never even met before
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texted you nudes and then you go
there and they're like,
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"Cool. Now that you're here,
I wanted to introduce you
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to Joe Biden."
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That is the worst catfishing
ever.
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They'll blow up our planet
just for that.
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Come here all orny-- horny
and they'll be like,
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"Take us to your leader.
We're here to smash."
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Now we're in trouble.
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Yeah. The only way that would
work out is if the aliens come
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and Trump is president. Yeah.
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No, no, no,
'cause if there's one thing
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I'll tell you about Trump,
he'd (bleep) the shit out
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of those aliens.
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He'd be like, "I don't know
what they have down there,
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"but I'm grabbing it!
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"I'm grabbing it.
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Come here, aliens."
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(chuckling)
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-(cheering and applause)
-We...
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We should actually hope...
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We actually should hope
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that this only reaches
the horny aliens.
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Because you realize how
offensive this is going to be
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if it just ends up
in front of a normal alien?
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They are going
to be so pissed off.
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Sheila! Sheila!
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Those Earth perverts left
pornography on the lawn!
334
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Yes, I'm sure
it's not my pornography!
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you know I wouldn't be yanking
my floor flex
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to a drawing
of two hairless monkeys.
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Yeah. I mean, one doesn't
even have a nose, Sheila!
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Come on. You know what I'm into,
and it's not this crap.
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Plus, I don't need pornography.
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I only need you.
You know I love you, baby.
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I love you, Sheila.
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(applause)
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I love that couple.
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All right,
that's it for the headlines.
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But before we go to a break,
let's check in
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on the stock market with our
very own finance expert,
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-Michael Kosta, everybody.
-(cheers and applause)
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-Michael?
-Yeah. Yeah. I mean...
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Pray do tell, what is happening
in the market today, man?
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Well, I'm an expert
at this, you know?
351
00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:16,924
And-and I...
I am crushing the market.
352
00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:19,259
-So, so you say. -I mean,
I'm absolutely crushing it,
353
00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:21,228
and as an expert,
I do have a hot tip for you.
354
00:14:21,328 --> 00:14:23,230
-Can't wait. -And I got
a hot tip for you, as well.
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00:14:23,330 --> 00:14:26,266
So we'll get into that,
but before we do, before we do,
356
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-the Fed raising
the interest rates. -Yes.
357
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This is a great thing, okay?
358
00:14:30,737 --> 00:14:34,942
Because during the pandemic, you
know, we lost interest, right?
359
00:14:35,075 --> 00:14:37,211
I lost interest, personally.
360
00:14:37,311 --> 00:14:39,079
I lost interest in Netflix.
361
00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:43,217
I lost interest
in my family, you know. I...
362
00:14:43,317 --> 00:14:46,653
I lost interest in work,
to be honest with you.
363
00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:48,589
I wasn't trying that hard
before, but now,
364
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I am really phoning it in, okay?
365
00:14:50,791 --> 00:14:53,760
-This...
-So, but, but, but look,
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raising the interest rates--
it affects everyone,
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and especially regular,
368
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middle class homeowners
like myself, okay?
369
00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:03,770
Now, I have a ski castle
in Courchevel.
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It's the French Alps,
12,000 square feet.
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It's on a nice, pristine,
glacial lake,
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and if I hadn't locked in
my rate before this,
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I wouldn't be able
to redo the kitchen
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on the main property, so...
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00:15:15,516 --> 00:15:19,319
It's Tuscan marble, Trevor,
okay? So, um...
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00:15:19,419 --> 00:15:20,821
But, you know,
one thing I've learned is,
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whenever you complain
about renovating the kitchen
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in your fifth home,
nobody has any sympathy.
379
00:15:25,058 --> 00:15:27,494
But can you imagine
a 16th century ski castle
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with a bad kitchen?
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00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:30,564
-(laughing)
-(laughter)
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I love to cook.
383
00:15:32,299 --> 00:15:34,067
-You...
-Let's get... let's get...
384
00:15:34,134 --> 00:15:36,069
Yeah, you have
a true victim here.
385
00:15:36,136 --> 00:15:37,704
-Oh, but the-the NASA
sending the nudes? -Yes.
386
00:15:37,804 --> 00:15:40,908
Yeah, and we'll get
to this in a second, but, um,
387
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that's a risky move, okay?
388
00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:45,812
Because NASA doesn't know
who's gonna get those nudes.
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00:15:45,913 --> 00:15:48,715
I mean, what if
it's alien children? Right?
390
00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:52,319
Now Earth is exposing itself
to children, you know?
391
00:15:52,419 --> 00:15:54,321
Did you think about that?
Next thing you know,
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Earth is on the intergalactic
sex offender list, you know?
393
00:15:57,758 --> 00:16:00,093
And we got to go around
from galaxy to galaxy,
394
00:16:00,194 --> 00:16:01,895
knocking on the atmosphere,
saying,
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00:16:02,029 --> 00:16:03,363
"Hello. I'm Earth.
I'm your neighbor
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"for three billion years.
397
00:16:04,865 --> 00:16:08,035
I'm legally required to tell you
I'm a sex offender"?
398
00:16:08,068 --> 00:16:11,171
(laughter)
399
00:16:11,271 --> 00:16:12,773
-Sounds good. -Can I get...
can I get to the market?
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00:16:12,873 --> 00:16:15,509
-Oh, yeah, yeah, thank you.
-Okay, okay. Cool. So, look.
401
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Yesterday, on the news that the
interest rates were going up,
402
00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,316
-the market shot up, okay?
-Yeah.
403
00:16:22,416 --> 00:16:25,953
Today on the news that the
interest rates were going up,
404
00:16:26,053 --> 00:16:29,389
the market shot down,
all right?
405
00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:31,191
So I'm an expert here,
don't forget.
406
00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:34,294
In summary, when the news of
the interest rates are going up
407
00:16:34,394 --> 00:16:36,730
-Yeah. -...the market
will either go up,
408
00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:38,065
or it's going to go down.
409
00:16:38,098 --> 00:16:40,067
-(applause and cheering)
-Thank you.
410
00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:42,569
-Well, well, I mean, hold on.
-Well, I'm the expert, yeah.
411
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:44,104
Hold on, Mike.
412
00:16:44,204 --> 00:16:46,073
Yeah, but-but, Michael, that
doesn't make any sense to me.
413
00:16:46,139 --> 00:16:50,577
Yeah, well, that's because
you're not an expert, like me.
414
00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:53,280
And that's my hot tip, okay?
415
00:16:53,380 --> 00:16:55,883
Leave it to the experts.
416
00:16:55,983 --> 00:16:58,552
(applause and cheering)
417
00:16:58,652 --> 00:17:00,554
Thank you, I think,
Michael Kosta.
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00:17:00,654 --> 00:17:03,023
All right, don't go away
'cause when we come back,
419
00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:05,192
Roy Wood, Jr. is gonna take us
through the secret world
420
00:17:05,292 --> 00:17:08,028
of Black horse racing.
You don't want to miss it.
421
00:17:08,128 --> 00:17:10,163
(applause and cheering)
422
00:17:18,045 --> 00:17:20,080
(cheering and applause)
423
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,956
welcome back to The Daily Show.
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This weekend
is the Kentucky Derby,
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00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:35,228
the biggest day in horse racing
and mint juleps.
426
00:17:35,329 --> 00:17:38,665
But what does horse racing
have to do with Black people?
427
00:17:38,765 --> 00:17:40,033
Well, let's find out
428
00:17:40,133 --> 00:17:42,736
in another edition of CP Time.
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♪ ♪
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I do not have his money.
431
00:17:51,411 --> 00:17:53,914
Ah. Well, hello.
432
00:17:54,014 --> 00:17:55,649
Welcome to CP Time,
433
00:17:55,749 --> 00:17:58,585
the only show
that's for the culture.
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00:17:58,685 --> 00:18:01,855
Today, we'll be discussing
Blacks in horse racing.
435
00:18:01,955 --> 00:18:03,557
Usually,
when you think of horse racing,
436
00:18:03,657 --> 00:18:06,360
the only black thing that comes
to mind is the horse itself.
437
00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:08,328
Turns out,
many of the people riding them
438
00:18:08,428 --> 00:18:09,896
have been Black, too.
439
00:18:09,997 --> 00:18:13,133
Not to take anything away
from those black horses, though.
440
00:18:13,233 --> 00:18:14,401
Stay strong, my horse brothers.
441
00:18:14,501 --> 00:18:16,603
(whinnies)
442
00:18:16,703 --> 00:18:19,172
For many years in the early days
of organized horse racing,
443
00:18:19,273 --> 00:18:22,442
Black jockeys were
extremely common in the sport,
444
00:18:22,542 --> 00:18:24,978
partly because Black people
had a lot of experience
445
00:18:25,145 --> 00:18:27,147
taking care of horses
during slavery,
446
00:18:27,247 --> 00:18:29,583
and partly because riding horses
447
00:18:29,683 --> 00:18:31,151
was the best way
to prevent the police
448
00:18:31,251 --> 00:18:33,320
from stopping you
for a broken taillight.
449
00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:35,389
Take the Kentucky Derby,
450
00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:37,858
the biggest event in the sport.
451
00:18:37,958 --> 00:18:40,494
It's so popular,
you've probably heard of it
452
00:18:40,594 --> 00:18:42,796
even if you're not
a gambling addict
453
00:18:42,896 --> 00:18:44,731
that blew
his kid's college money
454
00:18:44,831 --> 00:18:47,868
and lost the house
on weekend races.
455
00:18:47,968 --> 00:18:49,770
I'm sorry, baby.
Whispering Willow
456
00:18:49,870 --> 00:18:51,805
was supposed to be a sure thing.
457
00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:54,975
In the first Kentucky Derby
in 1875,
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00:18:55,075 --> 00:18:58,178
13 out of 15 jockeys were Black,
459
00:18:58,211 --> 00:19:01,048
and the winner of that race
was Oliver Lewis.
460
00:19:01,181 --> 00:19:04,351
Oliver rode to victory
on his horse Aristides.
461
00:19:04,451 --> 00:19:08,055
Strange name,
but it was the 1800s.
462
00:19:08,188 --> 00:19:09,189
If you got a Black jockey,
463
00:19:09,289 --> 00:19:10,791
you got to at least
give the horse
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00:19:10,891 --> 00:19:13,627
an extra white name
to balance things out.
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00:19:13,727 --> 00:19:16,697
Despite his success,
Lewis retired from racing
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00:19:16,797 --> 00:19:19,733
the very same year
he won the Derby.
467
00:19:19,833 --> 00:19:21,835
Which is understandable.
468
00:19:21,935 --> 00:19:24,371
With the prize money he won, he
could finally achieve the dream
469
00:19:24,471 --> 00:19:27,874
of every Black man
in 1875 Kentucky--
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00:19:27,975 --> 00:19:30,010
moving out of Kentucky.
471
00:19:30,143 --> 00:19:32,379
And not only were Black people
the first to do it,
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00:19:32,479 --> 00:19:34,448
but they were some of the best.
473
00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:36,516
Like Isaac Burns Murphy,
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00:19:36,617 --> 00:19:39,219
seen here thinking
about racism, probably.
475
00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:42,756
Isaac was considered one of
the greatest jockeys in history.
476
00:19:42,856 --> 00:19:46,560
He was the first person to win
the Kentucky Derby three times,
477
00:19:46,660 --> 00:19:50,163
and his win record
is still unmatched to this day
478
00:19:50,197 --> 00:19:52,699
at 44%.
479
00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,735
Murphy was the first rider ever
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00:19:54,835 --> 00:19:57,771
to be inducted into
the Horse Racing Hall of Fame,
481
00:19:57,871 --> 00:20:00,707
which is the highest honor
a jockey can receive
482
00:20:00,807 --> 00:20:02,976
other than being told, "Hmm,
483
00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:05,545
you're actually taller
than I expected."
484
00:20:05,646 --> 00:20:08,181
But despite their success
in the sport,
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00:20:08,215 --> 00:20:12,386
Black riders soon all but
disappeared from horse racing,
486
00:20:12,486 --> 00:20:16,089
making it yet another thing
that started out very Black
487
00:20:16,189 --> 00:20:18,158
but became very white.
488
00:20:18,258 --> 00:20:19,726
Much like rock and roll
489
00:20:19,826 --> 00:20:21,461
or Brooklyn.
490
00:20:21,561 --> 00:20:23,864
And that's because,
in the early 1900s.
491
00:20:23,964 --> 00:20:25,933
there was a concerted effort
492
00:20:26,033 --> 00:20:28,735
to push Black jockeys out
of the sport.
493
00:20:28,835 --> 00:20:31,138
White racers engaged
in harsh tactics
494
00:20:31,238 --> 00:20:33,540
both on and off the track.
495
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,809
They would hit Black riders
with riding crops
496
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:38,145
or run them into the rails.
497
00:20:38,211 --> 00:20:40,213
Two-time Derby winner
Jimmy Winkfield
498
00:20:40,314 --> 00:20:43,150
was even threatened
by the Ku Klux Klan.
499
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:44,351
The irony--
500
00:20:44,451 --> 00:20:45,886
he and the KKK
501
00:20:45,986 --> 00:20:47,955
both love riding horses.
502
00:20:48,055 --> 00:20:50,924
If equestrianism
can't trump hate,
503
00:20:51,024 --> 00:20:53,226
then I don't know what can.
504
00:20:53,327 --> 00:20:55,262
The harassment got so bad
505
00:20:55,362 --> 00:20:56,930
that, in 1904,
506
00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:58,765
Winkfield left the country
507
00:20:58,865 --> 00:21:02,035
to become a racing superstar
in Russia.
508
00:21:02,169 --> 00:21:03,604
Do you know how bad
it's got to get
509
00:21:03,704 --> 00:21:06,006
for a Black man
to move to Russia?
510
00:21:06,173 --> 00:21:08,842
They didn't even have Black
people over there back then.
511
00:21:08,942 --> 00:21:10,611
Although maybe that's
the secret--
512
00:21:10,711 --> 00:21:13,747
got to get in early before
they learn how to do racism.
513
00:21:14,715 --> 00:21:15,916
But soon enough,
514
00:21:16,016 --> 00:21:18,518
practically the only
Black jockeys you could find
515
00:21:18,619 --> 00:21:21,688
were those creepy little statues
on rich white folks' lawns.
516
00:21:21,788 --> 00:21:24,891
Between 1921 and the year 2000,
517
00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:29,162
not a single Black jockey
even raced in the Derby.
518
00:21:29,263 --> 00:21:31,398
Do you understand
how long that is?
519
00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:34,868
It took all the way
until the Baha Men released
520
00:21:34,968 --> 00:21:36,737
"Who Let the Dogs Out"
521
00:21:36,837 --> 00:21:39,139
for a Black person
to compete again.
522
00:21:39,206 --> 00:21:42,209
Not saying that
the two are related, unless...
523
00:21:43,577 --> 00:21:46,146
Nah, that...
You're being crazy, Roy.
524
00:21:46,213 --> 00:21:49,149
Now one Black rider
who did make waves
525
00:21:49,182 --> 00:21:51,618
during those years
was Cheryl White,
526
00:21:51,718 --> 00:21:55,822
the first licensed Black
female jockey in America.
527
00:21:55,923 --> 00:21:58,025
Cheryl started her career racing
straight out of high school,
528
00:21:58,158 --> 00:21:59,660
which means
she was the most influential
529
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,830
Black teenager on a horse
until Lil Nas X came around.
530
00:22:03,931 --> 00:22:07,668
And she didn't need the help
of Miley Cyrus's daddy.
531
00:22:07,768 --> 00:22:09,336
At just 17 years old,
532
00:22:09,436 --> 00:22:10,971
White was already winning races
533
00:22:11,071 --> 00:22:12,973
and gracing the cover
of Jet magazine,
534
00:22:13,073 --> 00:22:16,209
which is incredibly impressive.
535
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:18,745
Nowadays, most 17-year-olds
I know could only make the cover
536
00:22:18,845 --> 00:22:21,648
of Dumbass Up-to-No-Good
magazine.
537
00:22:21,748 --> 00:22:24,751
I see you boys doing the vaping
before school.
538
00:22:24,851 --> 00:22:26,520
I will snitch on you.
539
00:22:26,620 --> 00:22:29,456
Watch me.
540
00:22:29,556 --> 00:22:31,658
So the next time
you think of horse racing,
541
00:22:31,758 --> 00:22:34,928
think about the Black jockeys
that blazed the trail
542
00:22:35,028 --> 00:22:36,830
back in those early days.
543
00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:38,365
Don't just think of Seabiscuit,
544
00:22:38,465 --> 00:22:40,367
or the guy who rode Seabiscuit,
545
00:22:40,467 --> 00:22:45,038
or how much money you lost
by not betting on Seabiscuit.
546
00:22:45,138 --> 00:22:47,841
Baby, I'm not coming home
for a little while.
547
00:22:47,941 --> 00:22:49,176
I'm so sorry.
548
00:22:49,276 --> 00:22:50,877
♪ ♪
549
00:22:50,978 --> 00:22:52,679
Well, that's all the time
we have for today.
550
00:22:52,779 --> 00:22:55,148
Uh, I'm Roy Wood, Jr.,
and this has been "CP Time."
551
00:22:55,182 --> 00:22:56,617
And remember,
we're for the culture.
552
00:22:56,717 --> 00:22:59,453
Uh, can somebody help me
put on this fake mustache?
553
00:22:59,553 --> 00:23:00,787
There's a gentleman named
"Knuckles" swinging by
554
00:23:00,887 --> 00:23:02,189
to get some money,
and I don't have it for him,
555
00:23:02,289 --> 00:23:03,724
and I got to get the hell
out of here. Come on.
556
00:23:03,824 --> 00:23:05,692
Hurry. Hurry. Hurry.
Okay, all right.
557
00:23:05,792 --> 00:23:07,761
This location
has been compromised!
558
00:23:07,861 --> 00:23:09,630
♪ ♪
559
00:23:09,730 --> 00:23:10,797
Come on, Jenifer Lewis.
560
00:23:10,897 --> 00:23:13,033
♪ ♪
561
00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:14,635
-(applause and cheering)
-Roy Wood, Jr., everybody.
562
00:23:14,735 --> 00:23:16,870
All right, when we come back,
Jonathan Martin and Alex Burns
563
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:19,539
are joining me on the show,
so don't go away.
564
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,675
(applause and cheering)
565
00:23:31,151 --> 00:23:33,186
(cheering and applause)
566
00:23:36,322 --> 00:23:37,457
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
567
00:23:37,557 --> 00:23:39,926
My guests tonight
are political reporters
568
00:23:40,026 --> 00:23:43,096
who are here to talk
about their explosive new book,
569
00:23:43,196 --> 00:23:44,631
This Will Not Pass:
570
00:23:44,731 --> 00:23:48,001
Trump, Biden, and the Battle
for America's Future.
571
00:23:48,101 --> 00:23:50,704
Please welcome Jonathan Martin
and Alex Burns.
572
00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:52,839
-♪ ♪
-(cheering and applause)
573
00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:55,942
Welcome, welcome,
welcome, welcome.
574
00:23:56,042 --> 00:23:57,911
Welcome to the show.
575
00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:01,514
Hi, everybody.
576
00:24:03,683 --> 00:24:05,285
All right, gentlemen,
I'm not even gonna
577
00:24:05,385 --> 00:24:07,087
waste any time.
I trust that you are good.
578
00:24:07,187 --> 00:24:08,588
Let's drum...
jump straight into this.
579
00:24:08,688 --> 00:24:09,989
Um, this is...
580
00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:11,524
The best way to describe
this book for me
581
00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:13,326
is it-it-it's basically like
582
00:24:13,426 --> 00:24:16,129
The Real Housewives
of Washington, D.C.
583
00:24:16,229 --> 00:24:17,964
It makes it look
like the most scandalous place.
584
00:24:18,064 --> 00:24:19,966
You-you realize
there are so many inner feuds
585
00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:21,568
and-and things
that we don't even know about.
586
00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:23,903
When I'm reading this book,
I'm going,
587
00:24:24,003 --> 00:24:26,673
"Well, shouldn't the American
people see that, then?"
588
00:24:26,773 --> 00:24:28,742
Like, why do they get
the sanitized,
589
00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:30,610
like, "Oh, this is how we are"
590
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:32,078
when, in fact,
this seems like...
591
00:24:32,245 --> 00:24:33,880
It seems like this is
what's deciding the country
592
00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:35,315
versus what the people
are seeing on the news,
593
00:24:35,415 --> 00:24:37,117
but the people are voting
on what they see in the news.
594
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:38,551
-Yeah. -No, and I think
that that's spot-on,
595
00:24:38,651 --> 00:24:40,120
and it's one of the things
596
00:24:40,253 --> 00:24:42,455
that we believe so passionately
about political journalism.
597
00:24:42,555 --> 00:24:44,424
It's one of the things
that we try to do in this book
598
00:24:44,524 --> 00:24:46,893
is that there's not
some clean separation
599
00:24:46,993 --> 00:24:49,029
between the personalities
of politics
600
00:24:49,129 --> 00:24:50,630
and the feuds
that you're talking about
601
00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:53,099
and the Real Housewives-style
drama and the policy of it.
602
00:24:53,266 --> 00:24:54,701
-NOAH: Yes. Yes.
-It's the personality
603
00:24:54,801 --> 00:24:57,771
and those feuds and all the sort
of high school-level pettiness
604
00:24:57,871 --> 00:24:59,806
that actually drives
what happens.
605
00:24:59,906 --> 00:25:03,309
And if people in Washington
were more up-front about that,
606
00:25:03,410 --> 00:25:05,745
I think, first of all,
they would confirm a whole lot
607
00:25:05,845 --> 00:25:08,014
of what the American people
sort of suspect
608
00:25:08,114 --> 00:25:09,883
about their politicians.
609
00:25:09,983 --> 00:25:11,518
But secondly, I-I... You know,
610
00:25:11,618 --> 00:25:13,086
I think it would be possible,
maybe, for the country
611
00:25:13,186 --> 00:25:14,387
-to have a more honest
conversation... -Yeah.
612
00:25:14,487 --> 00:25:15,889
...about what's wrong here
613
00:25:15,989 --> 00:25:17,557
if we weren't all putting on
a different face in public.
614
00:25:17,657 --> 00:25:18,992
But when the cameras are running
in Washington, Trevor,
615
00:25:19,092 --> 00:25:20,994
you see two very different kinds
of politicians
616
00:25:21,094 --> 00:25:23,296
than what you see
behind the scenes in private
617
00:25:23,363 --> 00:25:25,865
when they don't know that,
say, the audio is running.
618
00:25:25,965 --> 00:25:27,967
-So, this book exposes a lot.
-(laughs)
619
00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:29,769
Let's talk about that.
The audio.
620
00:25:29,869 --> 00:25:31,538
You know, I mean,
621
00:25:31,638 --> 00:25:33,339
one of the biggest bombshells
from the book
622
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,075
is the audio
that-that you released,
623
00:25:35,241 --> 00:25:37,110
which was the audio
of Kevin McCarthy
624
00:25:37,243 --> 00:25:39,679
after January 6th
basically saying,
625
00:25:39,779 --> 00:25:41,915
"Yeah, we've got
to make Trump pay for this.
626
00:25:42,015 --> 00:25:43,483
-He's responsible." Et cetera.
-Yeah.
627
00:25:43,583 --> 00:25:45,018
Mitch McConnell
essentially being like,
628
00:25:45,118 --> 00:25:46,586
"Oh, I hope
he does get impeached."
629
00:25:46,686 --> 00:25:49,723
You-You-You're hearing things
from politicians
630
00:25:49,823 --> 00:25:52,492
who said the complete opposite
when they were on camera.
631
00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:55,328
So how did you hear about it?
632
00:25:55,428 --> 00:25:58,732
-Well, uh... No.
-(laughter)
633
00:25:58,832 --> 00:26:02,035
A lot... A lot of work.
A lot of hours.
634
00:26:02,135 --> 00:26:05,472
A lots of talking to people
at all levels of government
635
00:26:05,572 --> 00:26:07,273
and even people
outside of government.
636
00:26:07,307 --> 00:26:08,608
I mean, there's this perception
637
00:26:08,708 --> 00:26:11,911
among folks
who read political journalism
638
00:26:12,011 --> 00:26:14,013
that it's this Hollywood idea
639
00:26:14,114 --> 00:26:15,715
where, like,
somebody in sunglasses
640
00:26:15,815 --> 00:26:19,552
comes and, like, drops you a bag
outside your house or, like...
641
00:26:19,652 --> 00:26:21,888
-And you get the story
of a lifetime. -NOAH: Mm-hmm.
642
00:26:21,988 --> 00:26:24,290
It ain't that.
It's, like, a lot of work.
643
00:26:24,391 --> 00:26:26,426
It's a lot of shoe leather.
It's a lot of time
644
00:26:26,526 --> 00:26:28,294
talking to people and hoping
645
00:26:28,328 --> 00:26:29,896
that you can
piece things together
646
00:26:29,996 --> 00:26:32,232
to eventually get
the full version of a story.
647
00:26:32,332 --> 00:26:33,767
And if I could just,
you know, look,
648
00:26:33,867 --> 00:26:35,602
you had a little fun with us
at the Correspondents' Dinner.
649
00:26:35,702 --> 00:26:37,670
-NOAH: Mm-hmm. -Uh, that's fair.
We're big boys. Uh...
650
00:26:37,771 --> 00:26:39,973
-We noticed. We noticed.
-Uh, we can... we can take it.
651
00:26:40,073 --> 00:26:42,108
(cheering and applause)
652
00:26:43,243 --> 00:26:45,245
But the... but the honest...
the honest response
653
00:26:45,345 --> 00:26:47,113
to, uh, to your line that night
654
00:26:47,247 --> 00:26:49,049
is, look,
if we were in a position
655
00:26:49,149 --> 00:26:51,618
to release that information
the second we got it,
656
00:26:51,718 --> 00:26:53,453
of course
we would have done that.
657
00:26:53,553 --> 00:26:55,455
But part of the exercise
of writing a book
658
00:26:55,555 --> 00:26:57,691
and part of why it's different
from writing for a newspaper
659
00:26:57,791 --> 00:26:59,426
or producing a television show
660
00:26:59,526 --> 00:27:01,261
is that the people
you're talking to,
661
00:27:01,327 --> 00:27:04,297
the sources you're working with
will be more candid with you
662
00:27:04,397 --> 00:27:05,498
and will share
more information--
663
00:27:05,598 --> 00:27:07,634
it's not just audio,
it is documents,
664
00:27:07,734 --> 00:27:09,369
it is notes that they're taking
in real time,
665
00:27:09,469 --> 00:27:11,771
it is their personal views
and recollections--
666
00:27:11,871 --> 00:27:13,707
when they feel
they're sharing it for history
667
00:27:13,807 --> 00:27:15,875
and not, you know,
a show that's gonna air,
668
00:27:15,975 --> 00:27:17,877
uh, in a couple hours from now.
669
00:27:17,977 --> 00:27:19,846
That is-- That makes no sense
to me, because, I mean, like,
670
00:27:19,946 --> 00:27:21,347
it's not like this is
ancient history.
671
00:27:21,448 --> 00:27:22,849
-Well, it sort of--
It's-it's sort of... -I mean,
672
00:27:22,949 --> 00:27:24,284
this happened a year ago,
and you're telling me
673
00:27:24,384 --> 00:27:26,286
the politicians are like,
"Well, this will never see
674
00:27:26,353 --> 00:27:28,288
-the light of day in a year"?
-It is-- it is--
675
00:27:28,388 --> 00:27:30,090
it is actually extraordinary,
and it's one of the things
676
00:27:30,223 --> 00:27:31,591
-that I think-- I think--
I think... -This-- I mean...
677
00:27:31,691 --> 00:27:32,726
These are the people
running the country?
678
00:27:32,826 --> 00:27:34,594
-When we were...
-Or trying to.
679
00:27:34,694 --> 00:27:35,995
When we were-- when we were ha--
when we were doing
680
00:27:36,096 --> 00:27:37,597
these interviews, you would see
people sort of...
681
00:27:37,697 --> 00:27:39,366
-very sort of uptight and then
you'd say... -Yeah. "Sir."
682
00:27:39,466 --> 00:27:41,267
"Listen, this is-- this is
for history," and they're like,
683
00:27:41,368 --> 00:27:42,569
"Oh, well,
if this is for history."
684
00:27:42,669 --> 00:27:44,637
-And it's like,
"It is out next May." -(laughs)
685
00:27:44,738 --> 00:27:46,673
I mean, like, let's talk
about the, you know--
686
00:27:46,773 --> 00:27:48,308
some of the-the other stories.
For instance, there's a part
687
00:27:48,408 --> 00:27:49,809
in the book--
we actually have the audio here
688
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:51,244
and we'll go to it real soon--
is there's a part of the book
689
00:27:51,311 --> 00:27:53,680
-where you're interviewing
Donald Trump himself. -Yes.
690
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:55,315
Right? There you are,
interviewing the man.
691
00:27:55,415 --> 00:27:56,983
And in the middle
of this interview,
692
00:27:57,083 --> 00:27:59,352
does he call Lindsey Graham
or does Lindsey Graham call him?
693
00:27:59,452 --> 00:28:00,787
Lindsey Graham calls him
694
00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:03,623
while we're sitting there, uh,
in the lobby at Mar-a-Lago
695
00:28:03,723 --> 00:28:05,258
-for his guests to see.
-Yes.
696
00:28:05,358 --> 00:28:06,459
Lindsey Graham calls him.
697
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,261
And Trump does not get up
from the couch.
698
00:28:08,361 --> 00:28:10,597
He's like, "Excuse me, fellas."
He just, like, sits there
699
00:28:10,697 --> 00:28:12,966
and, like, takes that call
on his cell phone
700
00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:15,568
and then puts it on speaker,
so we can hear it!
701
00:28:15,668 --> 00:28:16,936
So, we've actually got
the audio.
702
00:28:17,037 --> 00:28:18,838
Let's-let's play that call.
703
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,109
So, here's the thing.
For-for context, for me,
704
00:28:56,242 --> 00:28:58,578
is-is this is
the same Lindsey Graham
705
00:28:58,678 --> 00:29:01,648
who, after January 6, was
bringing up the 25th Amendment.
706
00:29:01,748 --> 00:29:04,384
He was like, "This is too much.
We've gone too far."
707
00:29:04,484 --> 00:29:08,254
And then Trump has him
on the phone and he's just like,
708
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:09,856
-"Dance for me" and-and he does.
-And this is April.
709
00:29:09,956 --> 00:29:12,258
This is three months later, too.
So this is pretty-- Yeah.
710
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:14,327
Is-is this... Does this show us
711
00:29:14,427 --> 00:29:17,464
that the politicians
are lying to the people
712
00:29:17,564 --> 00:29:19,032
or they're lying to Trump?
713
00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:20,967
-That's a great question.
-That's a really good question.
714
00:29:21,067 --> 00:29:23,269
Look, I think
we were shocked, uh, uh,
715
00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:25,405
not that Lindsey Graham would be
calling Trump at that point,
716
00:29:25,505 --> 00:29:27,540
but, you know,
we all know that, uh,
717
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,676
Lindsey Graham rode back
to Donald Trump really fast,
718
00:29:29,776 --> 00:29:32,045
that his pronouncements
on the night of January 6, uh,
719
00:29:32,212 --> 00:29:35,248
had a very, very, uh, short
expiration date, uh, on them.
720
00:29:35,348 --> 00:29:38,518
But I think just hearing
in-in real time in front of us
721
00:29:38,618 --> 00:29:40,920
this, you know,
sort of dancing monkey routine
722
00:29:41,021 --> 00:29:43,223
was really an extraordinary,
uh, uh, moment.
723
00:29:43,256 --> 00:29:44,424
I don't know
that he's lying to anybody.
724
00:29:44,524 --> 00:29:46,126
I think Lindsey Graham
genuinely believes
725
00:29:46,226 --> 00:29:48,828
that is he playing a vital role
as a diplomat
726
00:29:48,928 --> 00:29:51,031
between the establishment
of the Republican Party
727
00:29:51,131 --> 00:29:52,866
-and Donald Trump. I'm not
saying he's right. -Can I...
728
00:29:52,966 --> 00:29:55,435
-I just-- That's clearly how
he's rationalizing it. -Yeah.
729
00:29:55,535 --> 00:29:57,470
It puzzled even some
of his colleagues in the Senate.
730
00:29:57,570 --> 00:29:59,906
But you just heard there the--
you know, just how far it goes.
731
00:30:00,006 --> 00:30:01,808
I think Trump knows
that Lindsey isn't, like,
732
00:30:01,908 --> 00:30:03,410
his biggest fan in the world,
733
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:05,645
uh, and that, privately,
you know, rolls his eyes
734
00:30:05,745 --> 00:30:07,914
but that he sort of,
uh, you know,
735
00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:09,382
is trying to sort of stay
in the arena
736
00:30:09,482 --> 00:30:11,584
-and so he has to keep Trump
on his good side. -Okay.
737
00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:14,020
And I think, you know, like, L--
you know, obviously,
738
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,157
Lindsey-L-Lindsey
is pretty obviously,
739
00:30:17,257 --> 00:30:19,626
uh, aware
of Donald Trump's liabilities
740
00:30:19,726 --> 00:30:21,061
and would admit that in private.
741
00:30:21,161 --> 00:30:22,662
So I think, like...
742
00:30:22,762 --> 00:30:24,664
What's the old saying?
You can't BS a BS-er.
743
00:30:24,764 --> 00:30:26,166
I think they kind of both know
744
00:30:26,266 --> 00:30:28,134
that the other
isn't totally on the level.
745
00:30:28,268 --> 00:30:29,869
And so I guess it works, right?
746
00:30:29,969 --> 00:30:32,272
-I mean, not for the country,
you know? -(laughing)
747
00:30:32,372 --> 00:30:34,407
-It-it... It's just--
It seems... -I mean for them!
748
00:30:34,507 --> 00:30:36,976
-(applause) -Yeah, no.
It just-- it just seems...
749
00:30:37,077 --> 00:30:38,611
Like, if...
750
00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,547
You know, if-if Donald Trump
didn't have
751
00:30:40,647 --> 00:30:41,881
as many scandals as he did,
752
00:30:41,981 --> 00:30:44,250
I feel like every single chapter
in this book
753
00:30:44,351 --> 00:30:45,752
could have been its own book
754
00:30:45,852 --> 00:30:47,287
-in a different time with a
different presidency. -Totally.
755
00:30:47,387 --> 00:30:48,722
-That's a great point.
-There's-there's-- I didn't know
756
00:30:48,822 --> 00:30:50,423
but, like, there's a part
in the book where you guys
757
00:30:50,523 --> 00:30:52,759
uncover the fact
that Jared Kushner
758
00:30:52,859 --> 00:30:56,696
is the person who got Kanye West
his campaign manager.
759
00:30:56,796 --> 00:30:59,232
-Yeah. -And all of this
was essentially a scheme
760
00:30:59,265 --> 00:31:02,035
to try and siphon Black votes
away from the Democrats.
761
00:31:02,135 --> 00:31:04,070
Like, I'm like, that...
In and of itself,
762
00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:05,672
that would be the bombshell
of the day,
763
00:31:05,772 --> 00:31:07,540
and now, it's just like, oh,
yeah, just one part of the book.
764
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,009
-Yeah, totally. -Look,
I think it's a great episode
765
00:31:10,110 --> 00:31:13,613
of sort of political, uh, uh,
you know, hijinks, right?
766
00:31:13,713 --> 00:31:15,982
But it's really revealing both
767
00:31:16,082 --> 00:31:17,884
of how desperate
they were to try to mess
768
00:31:17,984 --> 00:31:20,153
-with the basic electoral map
of this election. -Uh-huh.
769
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:21,621
I think
it's also really revealing
770
00:31:21,721 --> 00:31:23,757
about how the White House
and the president's family saw,
771
00:31:23,857 --> 00:31:25,358
you know, Black voters
772
00:31:25,458 --> 00:31:27,494
and what they would be
drawn to in this election.
773
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:30,697
The notion that the way to get,
to siphon Black votes
774
00:31:30,797 --> 00:31:33,800
away from Joe Biden was to get
this sort of screwball celebrity
775
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,268
into the race,
and just, you know,
776
00:31:35,368 --> 00:31:37,037
of course those people
will, you know,
777
00:31:37,203 --> 00:31:38,371
vote for him
instead of the guy they know
778
00:31:38,471 --> 00:31:39,706
as the former two-term
vice president.
779
00:31:39,806 --> 00:31:41,341
-Yeah. -That says a whole lot
about the people
780
00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:43,309
-who were running the country
for four years. -And, you know,
781
00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:46,780
look, with the Trump crowd,
it's like a cartoon version
782
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,681
of, like, past presidents.
783
00:31:48,782 --> 00:31:51,518
You know, like,
the president's son-in-law,
784
00:31:51,618 --> 00:31:53,253
who, by the way,
works in the White House,
785
00:31:53,353 --> 00:31:54,821
-which is... okay.
-Yes.
786
00:31:54,921 --> 00:31:57,257
And then, secondly, is, like,
basically running the country
787
00:31:57,357 --> 00:31:59,726
as a de facto senior adviser
with no actual title
788
00:31:59,826 --> 00:32:01,361
-beyond "senior advisor."
-Yes.
789
00:32:01,461 --> 00:32:04,531
And he's also, like, running
the campaign on the side, too.
790
00:32:04,631 --> 00:32:06,232
And in running the campaign,
he's trying
791
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:08,368
to wire in
a third-party candidate
792
00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:10,470
who happens to be,
like, a celebrity.
793
00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:13,506
It's like, he's doing all
of this, and, like, ostensibly,
794
00:32:13,606 --> 00:32:16,009
there's ethics rules that kind
of exist in the White House.
795
00:32:16,109 --> 00:32:19,145
But, um, it makes a mockery
of any sort
796
00:32:19,245 --> 00:32:21,881
of, like, political norms
or tradition in America.
797
00:32:21,981 --> 00:32:23,450
That's a great way to put it
because what it feels like
798
00:32:23,550 --> 00:32:26,252
this book exposes
in a really scary way--
799
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:27,687
'cause it's revealing,
and it's shocking--
800
00:32:27,787 --> 00:32:29,589
but when you get to the end
of the book, you go,
801
00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:31,591
-"Man, America's in trouble."
-Yeah.
802
00:32:31,691 --> 00:32:33,893
Because it feels like
there is a facade
803
00:32:33,993 --> 00:32:36,296
that is being presented
by Washington D.C.
804
00:32:36,396 --> 00:32:38,264
It feels like
there is definitely a game
805
00:32:38,365 --> 00:32:40,633
that's being played,
you know, in the Capitol
806
00:32:40,734 --> 00:32:42,669
-versus what everyday Americans
are experiencing. -Totally.
807
00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:45,038
And then, the most important
thing is, it feels like
808
00:32:45,205 --> 00:32:48,241
the two-party system has failed,
because now, it feels like
809
00:32:48,341 --> 00:32:49,642
Republicans aren't all
with Trump.
810
00:32:49,743 --> 00:32:51,111
They play along to try
and keep their role.
811
00:32:51,211 --> 00:32:52,645
And, then, like,
Democrats aren't all together.
812
00:32:52,746 --> 00:32:54,647
But it feels like
the thing's a sham,
813
00:32:54,748 --> 00:32:57,250
and by the time
the American people find out
814
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,352
that it really is a sham,
it'll be too late.
815
00:32:59,452 --> 00:33:00,887
Well, one of the things
that we hope we've accomplished
816
00:33:00,987 --> 00:33:02,655
with this book is
to expose that sham
817
00:33:02,756 --> 00:33:04,457
to a pretty significant degree.
818
00:33:04,557 --> 00:33:06,259
The American people deserve
to know
819
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,795
what a gigantic gap there is
820
00:33:08,895 --> 00:33:11,097
between the way their
politicians behave in public
821
00:33:11,231 --> 00:33:13,733
and the things they say
in private about policy,
822
00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:15,735
about each other and even
about the American people.
823
00:33:15,835 --> 00:33:17,737
So again,
that's sort of the overarching
824
00:33:17,837 --> 00:33:19,939
-journalistic exercise here.
-Yeah. -(applause)
825
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,678
Well, I'll tell you this.
If you, uh... if you...
826
00:33:25,779 --> 00:33:27,580
if you wanted
to get it out there,
827
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,449
a book is a nice start,
828
00:33:29,549 --> 00:33:31,051
but if you really want people
to pay attention,
829
00:33:31,151 --> 00:33:33,186
you got to make it
into a TV show. Gentlemen,
830
00:33:33,286 --> 00:33:34,521
-thank you so much
for joining me. -There you go.
831
00:33:34,621 --> 00:33:36,256
-Thanks a lot.
-Brilliant. Thank you, man.
832
00:33:36,356 --> 00:33:38,291
From your lips to God's ears.
Thank you.
833
00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:39,993
Jonathan and Alex's book,
This Will Not Pass
834
00:33:40,093 --> 00:33:41,327
is available right now.
835
00:33:41,428 --> 00:33:42,662
We're gonna take a quick break,
836
00:33:42,762 --> 00:33:43,997
but we'll be right back
after this.
837
00:33:44,097 --> 00:33:45,498
Thank you, man, really.
838
00:33:45,598 --> 00:33:47,634
(applause and cheering)
839
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,223
Well, that's our show tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
840
00:33:56,323 --> 00:33:59,259
But before we go, before we go,
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841
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843
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844
00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:08,535
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845
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846
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847
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848
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849
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850
00:34:21,081 --> 00:34:23,884
Until next time, stay safe
out there, and remember.
851
00:34:23,984 --> 00:34:25,719
When the cell phone comes out,
852
00:34:25,819 --> 00:34:27,554
that's when
your pants go back on.
853
00:34:27,654 --> 00:34:30,323
Now here it is--
Your Moment of Zen.
854
00:34:30,424 --> 00:34:32,592
Taco Tuesday has already passed,
but that doesn't mean
855
00:34:32,693 --> 00:34:34,661
you can't eat them today,
and here's your reason.
856
00:34:34,761 --> 00:34:36,229
Because it's Cinco de Mayo.
857
00:34:36,329 --> 00:34:39,466
So we had Taco Tuesday. Now
we're gonna have Taco Thursday.
858
00:34:39,566 --> 00:34:41,735
I guess it's Taco Tuesday
on a Thursday.
859
00:34:41,835 --> 00:34:43,837
Oh, yeah, it's Taco Tuesday.
860
00:34:43,937 --> 00:34:47,441
And Taco Wednesday
and Taco Thursday
861
00:34:47,541 --> 00:34:48,975
since this is Cinco de Mayo.
862
00:34:49,076 --> 00:34:52,813
When else can you have Taco
Tuesday on a Thursday, right?