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ANNOUNCER: Coming to you
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the only city in America,
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it's The Daily Show!
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Tonight,
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reloading the gun debate.
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Crazy athletic Asians.
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And Kellyanne Conway.
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That is The Daily Show
with Trevor Noah.
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What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to The Daily Show!
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I'm Trevor Noah!
Thank you so much for tuning in!
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Thank you for coming out
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Thank you so much.
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Take a seat, everybody. Take
a seat. Let's do this thing.
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We have got a jam-packed show
for you today.
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We're gonna be talking
about what America's plan is
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to stop these mass shootings.
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Ronny Chieng is celebrating
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Asian American
and Pacific Islander Month.
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And our guest tonight
is former advisor
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to President Donald Trump,
Kellyanne Conway.
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Yeah. So that's gonna be
interesting.
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So, let's do this, people.
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Let's jump straight
into today's big headlines.
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All right. There's no denying
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that there is a lot going on
in the world right now.
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For instance, Russia
is still invading Ukraine.
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And, in response, the European
Union has just announced
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that they will be banning
almost all Russian oil imports,
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which is-- if successful,
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is basically gonna turn
Russia's currency
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into the TikTok crying filter
all the time.
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And if this wasn't enough
for Europe to be dealing with,
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there's also a growing outbreak
of monkeypox.
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Yes. A disease that's
killing off everyone's NFTs.
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So, please, everyone,
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vaccinate your monkey.
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Remember.
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And, by the way,
they're actually saying
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that it's being spread
mostly through sex.
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Yeah.
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So at least now, when you show
up to the doctor with monkeypox,
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your doctor can be like,
"My man."
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Oh, and, on top of all of that,
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someone threw a cake
at the Mona Lisa.
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Yes. Which apparently was
to protest climate change.
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Yeah, it sounded weird, but, uh,
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apparently most people don't
know this about the Mona Lisa,
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but if you widen out
on that picture of her,
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she's actually driving a Hummer.
Not cool.
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That's where the picture's from.
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So, yeah, there-there's
so much happening.
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So much happening in the world.
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But America can't focus
on any of that stuff.
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Because, once again,
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America is reeling
from mass shootings.
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All the way from Buffalo,
New York, to Uvalde, Texas,
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people are asking,
how long can this keep going on?
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And here's the good news--
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in response,
a major bill has been announced
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which would ban
the new sales of handguns
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and allow the government
to forcefully buy back
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assault rifles.
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In Canada.
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Yeah, this is completely real.
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Canada saw what happened here,
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and they're shutting down guns
there.
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Yeah. At this point,
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America is basically
a Scared Straight program
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that gets other countries
on the right path. Yeah.
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It's, like, you ever smelled
someone so bad,
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you know, that you decide
that you need to take a shower?
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That's what America is with
gun laws now to other countries.
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They're like... (sniffing)
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"We need to do something
about guns."
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And while most Americans--
liberals and conservatives--
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are open
to common-sense restrictions
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on guns to keep Americans safe,
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there is still a small
yet powerful group
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of gun (bleep)
who believe the problem
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with gun violence is not
because of guns.
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No, it's because
of everything else.
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Part of the problem is
how this generation
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of kids exists mostly online.
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They see actual violence,
as is portrayed
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in the movies they watch,
the music they listen to
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and the games...
the video games they play.
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When I played war
growing up with my friends,
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the boys were allowed
to be boys.
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I said to my friend Andy,
"Bang. You're dead."
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But the difference is,
we knew it was fake.
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And Andy got up afterwards.
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And we went and jumped
in the fire hydrant
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or whoever had a pool.
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-What?
-(laughter)
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First of all,
why do I feel like Andy's fake?
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And second of all, what is
this loser talking about?
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Kids know
that games are fake, my man.
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No one is turning off
Grand Theft Auto like,
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"Shit! I just
ran over 80 pedestrians.
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"Should I get a lawyer?
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"Oh, my God,
I'm too young for jail!
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What am I gonna do?"
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The argument that American music
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and video games causes
gun violence totally falls apart
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when you realize
the entire world listens
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to American music
and plays American video games.
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Yeah, but they have
nowhere the same level
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of America's mass shootings.
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And don't get it twisted.
It's the same music.
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It's not like in Sweden,
there, Snoop Dogg is like...
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♪ Rat, ta-ta-tat,
and I never hesitate ♪
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♪ To put a hat on a cat. ♪
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It's the same music.
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Why are they not getting
the same results?
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And please, please, please.
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Gun fanatics---
they-they don't just want
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to ban video games and music.
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No, no, no.
It's going further.
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They also want
to replace those things
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with what they say
are some lost values.
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The only solution is
Christ Jesus
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and being able
to get some type of spirituality
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and prayer back
into our schools.
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Right now, today,
we live in a country
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where our millennials'
participation rate
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for church is under 30%
in a lot of locations.
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This is the lowest
church participation
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we've ever had as a nation.
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Uh, and, so,
it just shows you
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why you see so much chaos
in our streets.
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Yeah, I mean,
that could be one solution.
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We need to bring Jesus
into our schools.
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I mean, I don't know
how Jesus would feel about that.
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Yeah, because if I was Jesus,
I'd be like,
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"Yo, forget that. Look at what
you guys did to me with nails.
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"I'm not coming back
when there's guns, like AR-15s.
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Shit. I learned my lesson."
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(applause)
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But again, if you think
gun violence in America is high
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because
people aren't going to church,
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then why don't they have
the same gun violence in Europe?
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Because there,
nobody goes to church.
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It's like a thing
that's done now.
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If you go to church in Germany,
you'll be the only one there.
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Even the preacher
will be like, "Aah!
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"Oh, geez, you scared me
the shit out of me.
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"Nobody comes in here anymore.
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"I even forget there was a door.
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Oh. Oh. Oh, my God,
that was crazy. Oh."
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The point is gun lovers have
been blaming the same causes
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over and over again for decades,
although, this time,
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to their credit, they've come
up with a new thing to blame.
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It's not the guns,
it's the books.
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We stopped teaching values
in so many of our schools.
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Now-now we're teaching wokeness,
we're t--
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we're indoctrinating our
children with things like CRT.
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Yeah, that's right. That's how
evil critical race theory is--
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it's only been around for,
like, a year,
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and it's already caused three
decades of school shootings.
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It's really tough. It goes
back in time. It's so powerful.
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Look, man, I know you guys
want to blame anything but guns,
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but it still has to make sense.
Can we agree on that? Right?
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You can't just blame stuff
that you are already mad at.
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These guys are like,
"Maybe there wouldn't be
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"so many, uh, you know,
violent shootings in schools
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"if my wife would stop flirting
with the landscaper. I mean...
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is it just me?"
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They're making it sound like
there used to be a lesson
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that was about the importance
of not shooting people,
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but they never got to it because
they spent too long
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on teaching slavery.
This doesn't make any sense.
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And if it's not religion
and if it's not video games
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and it's not the music,
what else could it be?
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Well, according
to some gun lovers,
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maybe it was the school's fault.
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One of the things
that-that everyone agree
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is don't have all of these
unlocked back doors.
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Have one door into
and out of the school.
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I would like to see this--
a national push toward
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instead of parent buying their
kids all these tools
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and toys and games,
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invest in the classroom
to make it safer.
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They have blankets that
you can put up on the wall
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that are colorful
and beautiful,
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but they're ballistic blankets.
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We need to install man traps.
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A series of interlocking doors
at the school entrance
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that are triggered
by a trip wire.
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The trip wire can be a gunshot,
broken glass,
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a manual switch
tossed by a school employee,
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and it traps the shooter
like a rat.
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Are these people
hearing themselves?
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You think kids
can't tell fantasy from reality,
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but your suggestion is like,
"How about we make a school
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"with steel doors that slam and
windows that turn into concrete
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"or, even better, the whole
school becomes a Transformer.
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"Yeah, so that way, when
the school shooter comes,
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the whole school
can run away from it."
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Not to mention, have you guys
ever been in a school? Huh?
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You realize the fire alarm
gets pulled as a prank,
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like, once a week.
You think the jocks
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aren't gonna be constantly
tossing nerds into the man trap?
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Do you listen to yourselves?
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And even if those ideas
don't work, even if they don't,
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there's one solution
that conservatives
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love to come back to
time and time again,
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and over the weekend
it was proposed yet again
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by none other
than Donald Jarhead Trump.
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What we need now is a
top-to-bottom security overhaul
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at schools
all across our country.
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And above all,
from this day forward,
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every school in America
should have a police officer
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or an armed resource officer
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-on duty at all times.
-(cheering and applause)
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Yeah. Yeah.
You know, you always hear
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people saying this
after a school shooting.
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What we need is armed
police officers in the school.
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What's amazing
about the debate this time
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is that they're still saying it
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even though in the shooting
that just happened,
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there was
an armed police officer,
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and it didn't help.
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Yeah, classic Trump.
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Proposing a solution
after it already failed.
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(laughter)
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I mean,
he would have been a lot of fun
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in the lifeboats
after the Titanic.
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"Next time, we should just ram
that iceberg really hard.
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"What's the worst
that could happen?
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What do you think, Jack?
What do you think?"
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(laughter)
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And as we've all heard by now,
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there wasn't just an armed
resource officer on the scene.
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There was a whole platoon
of police officers
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who responded to the shooting
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but didn't do shit to stop it
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while it was still going on.
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Yeah, and I'm willing to guess
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it's because
they were all so shit-scared
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of a gunman armed with an AR-15.
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I feel like that's
what we have to ask ourselves.
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As a society,
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do we want to live in a world
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where anyone
can legally buy weapons
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that the police are scared of?
Huh?
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And just by the way,
just by the way,
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for me, it's been amazing
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to see how some people
love guns so much
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that they've gone
from "Blue Lives Matter"
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to "Screw these bitch-ass cops.
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"If they're not here
to get shot,
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"then what's the point
of having them around?
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(bleep) the police."
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Oh, now you don't care
about the cops' lives?
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Like, I don't know.
Maybe it's just me.
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I would rather, say,
get rid of the AR-15s
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and make these officers' jobs
a lot more safe.
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Maybe it's just me.
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(cheering and applause)
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It's why a lot of people flip.
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You just flip
whenever you feel like it.
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It's also crazy how the cops,
they can do anything.
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Right? They shoot people because
they think they have a gun.
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And then now they're like...
They know it's a gun.
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They're like,
"Well, can't shoot them."
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(laughter)
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"If it's a wallet, maybe.
But, I mean..."
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So, look, I know
that America's never going to do
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what Canada is doing.
I don't even expect that.
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Right? There's a gun culture
in this country
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that is far too engrained
to ever truly get rid of it.
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And I also know
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that we're not gonna stop
gun violence altogether.
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I'm not naive.
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But I would hope,
I would just hope
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that after a tragedy like this,
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Americans could agree
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that losing some of these
is worth it
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to prevent losing more of these.
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Don't go away,
'cause after the break,
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Ronny Chieng
is celebrating AAPI Month,
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and Kellyanne Conway
will be joining us on the show.
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We'll be right back.
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(cheering and applause)
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(cheering and applause)
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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Throughout the month of May,
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people have been celebrating
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Asian American and
Pacific Islander Heritage Month.
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And tonight,
for the last day of May,
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Ronny Chieng decided to school
us the way only he can.
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♪ ♪
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That's right, people.
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We've got our own month.
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And in honor of AAPI Month,
I'm gonna teach you
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about the most underrepresented
demographic of all time,
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Asian Americans in sports.
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And I don't just mean
the heavy hitters,
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like Jeremy Lin, Michelle Kwan,
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Tiger Woods.
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Yeah, we're claiming him.
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You got a problem with that?
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Take it up with the U.N.
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Instead, I want to focus on
the underdogs who blazed a trail
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for all the other
Asian American athletes to come,
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people like Wally Yonamine,
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a Japanese American
who played not one
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but two professional sports.
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And unlike Michael Jordan,
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he didn't suck at one of them.
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Also, he never became
a crying meme.
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Why are you sad?
You're Michael Jordan.
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First, in 1947,
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Yonamine became a running back
for the San Francisco 49ers.
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But in the wake of World War II,
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he faced
a ton of discrimination,
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even while he was playing.
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When he would get tackled,
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the opposing team
would punch and kick him.
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Do you realize
how insane that is?
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I mean, it's football.
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Everyone's going home
with brain damage already.
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You don't need to force it.
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After a wrist injury in 1951,
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Yonamine decided
to switch to baseball.
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He moved to Japan
to play for the Yomiuri Giants,
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where he was an 11-time All-Star
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and became the first
American player ever
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to be inducted into the
Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame.
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Crazy thing is, Yonamine faced
racism in Japan, too,
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but this time,
because he was American.
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At games, the fans would chant,
"Yankee, go home!,"
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which is normally
something you expect
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to hear only at Red Sox games,
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or, honestly, any place
in Boston that serves alcohol.
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But enough about baseball.
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Let's talk about something
people actually watch--
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the Olympics.
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In 1948, Victoria Manalo Draves
became the first
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AAPI Olympic champion,
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but being Filipino, she also
faced a lot of discrimination.
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In fact, when she was younger
and used a public pool,
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the town assholes would drain
the water after she swam in it,
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which isn't just racist.
It's idiotic.
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You're gonna double
your water bill
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just because you're afraid
of catching being Asian?
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You can't even get that
from a pool.
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You have to share
the same straw, dumbasses.
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But against the odds,
Manalo won her gold metal
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in the women's three meter
springboard,
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and she was cheered on
by diver Sammy Lee,
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the first Asian-American man
to win an Olympic gold medal.
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That's right. The first AAPI
gold medals at the same games.
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It was like Asian Christmas,
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which is just Christmas.
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But not every Asian
who broke the color barrier
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had a happy ending.
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In 1948, Larry Kwong became
the first non-white player
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in the NHL when he joined
the New York Rangers.
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But they only put him on ice
for a minute,
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and he never played
in another game again,
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which sucks.
But breaking the color barrier
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is like losing your virginity:
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even if you only did it
for a second, it still counts.
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Another great first happened in
1927, when Walter Achiu became
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the first person of East Asian
descent to play in the NFL.
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Because his last name was Achiu,
he earned the nickname "Sneeze."
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Sadly, this was before athlete
sponsorships were a thing,
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so he couldn't even get that
sweet, sweet Kleenex money.
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Eventually, he retired from the
NFL to compete in a safer sport,
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wrestling, proving that Asians
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can roll around with
our balls in someone's face
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just like everyone else.
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But let's move on to my personal
favorite sport: basketball.
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The first non-white player
of any race in NBA history
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was Japanese American
Wataru Misaka.
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In 1947, he was the first draft
pick of the New York Knicks,
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and they even promoted
his skills to sell tickets,
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but, shocker, he faced
a lot of anti-Japanese sentiment
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and only ended up
playing three games.
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It was so bad,
he decided to go back to school
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to get his engineering degree,
which I respect.
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He was basically like,
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"Oh, you don't like me
being Asian?
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Well, I'm gonna be
extra Asian now, bitches."
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But sports
isn't just about the athletes.
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There are so many other people
who have made history
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without destroying their joints.
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People like Kim Ng,
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who became the general manager
of the Miami Marlins,
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making her the first female GM
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in any major
American men's league.
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She worked her way up the ladder
facing racism and sexism.
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It's the surf and turf
of discrimination.
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So, now you know. There's been
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so many unsung
Asian sports heroes in history.
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Don't bother thanking me.
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My meager teacher salary
is thanks enough.
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And yes,
this is all gonna be on a final.
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Happy AAPI Month, idiots.
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(cheering and applause)
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Ronny Chieng, everybody.
All right, when we come back,
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former advisor
to President Trump
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Kellyanne Conway
is joining me on the show,
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so don't go away.
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(cheering and applause)
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(cheering and applause)
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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My guest tonight served
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as Donald Trump's
campaign manager in 2016
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and would become one
of President Trump's
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longest-serving aides.
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She's here to talk about that
and her new memoir,
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Here's the Deal.
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Please welcome Kellyanne Conway.
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-♪ ♪
-(cheering and applause)
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-Thank you for having me.
-Welcome to the show.
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-Thank you.
-Thank you so much.
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Kellyanne Conway,
welcome to The Daily Show.
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Thank you for having me.
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You know, there are few guests
I have on my show
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that get me more people asking
the question why.
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You know? That's what people--
I said, um,
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"Kellyanne Conway's gonna be on
the show." And people were like,
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"Why? Why have
Kellyanne Conway on?"
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And then, you know,
some of my friends were like,
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"Oh, she's gonna lie to you.
She's gonna flip things around.
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"She's gonna spin this--
She's gonna be--
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She's gonna-- Why?" That's what
people asked me the whole...
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-But you know why they're
really asking that. -Why?
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-(laughter)
-You tell me.
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Because they think they know me.
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They think
the caricature is real,
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and they don't want to hear from
people who disagree with them.
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I don't think
that that's completely true.
440
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-I think it's very true of many
people. -I think it's because
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people-- I think it's--
I think what happens is
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people get frustrated,
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um, especially in America,
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because they feel
like they're being toyed with.
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You know? And I'm not putting
this all on you, by the way.
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I-I actually found
the book interesting,
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because there were parts
of the book
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that I feel like illuminated
stories that you-you never told
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or parts of being
in the Trump presidency
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that nobody knew about.
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And-and I guess
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maybe that-that's, like,
the first question I had
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about your job and what you
were doing with President Trump
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and that is, when you
were working in the White House
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and you had the position
that you had,
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when you're working
for an administration,
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do you feel like there are times
where you have to lie
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to protect the president?
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Or do you feel like you have
to do that
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because you're furthering
a greater good?
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No. Not-- None of the above.
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First of all,
the president offered me
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the press secretary job
within an hour
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-or an hour and a half of being
elected i-in 2016. -Mm-hmm.
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I said no. 'Cause he said,
"You'll be great at that."
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I'm thinking to myself--
I wrote in the book--
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"I'd be
a terrible press secretary.
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I'm not even sure what they do."
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And so I didn't want
a press or comms job.
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I took a policy job,
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but I kept getting pulled out,
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um, to speak on behalf
of the White House,
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on behalf of the country.
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And I have to tell you,
people will say,
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"How can you go up
against this anchor?"
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They ask me the same question.
"Why would you go on this show?
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"Why do you deal
with that anchor?
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-"They're not fair to you.
-Right.
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They only prefer Democrats,"
et cetera.
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And I say, "Look, the anchors
are never really my audience.
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The people are the audience."
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There are folks out there,
the forgotten man,
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forgotten woman,
forgotten child,
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who would not otherwise
have access to information,
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news they can use,
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facts and figures that affect
their ev-everyday lives.
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-Mm-hmm. -But there were
many times I didn't speak.
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There were many things
I didn't address.
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I either felt that I was
not the expert on them
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or I didn't have
all the answers.
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But I would note that, you know,
492
00:19:43,282 --> 00:19:46,385
all the smart men around me
did not go on TV,
493
00:19:46,452 --> 00:19:47,753
did not come and face the music,
494
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,388
did not come and explain.
495
00:19:49,422 --> 00:19:51,991
Um, I was almost like
their mop-mop-up girl
496
00:19:52,091 --> 00:19:54,427
and spokesmodel sometimes.
That's what they wanted.
497
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:56,429
So that they can be
behind the scenes,
498
00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:57,763
working on important policy.
499
00:19:57,864 --> 00:19:59,532
And, I have to tell you,
even this White House,
500
00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:01,400
when it started,
the Biden-Harris White House,
501
00:20:01,501 --> 00:20:02,602
they said, "Look at us.
502
00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:05,004
We have a 100% female press
and comm shop."
503
00:20:05,104 --> 00:20:06,672
And I thought,
"Well, of course you do.
504
00:20:06,772 --> 00:20:09,108
Because the women don't get
as many policy jobs."
505
00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,176
And that's what I wanted to do.
506
00:20:10,343 --> 00:20:11,444
So I worked on veterans,
507
00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:13,646
military, military spouses.
508
00:20:13,746 --> 00:20:15,715
I worked on the-the Tax Cut
and Jobs Act.
509
00:20:15,815 --> 00:20:17,350
-I worked on the opioid crisis.
-Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
510
00:20:17,416 --> 00:20:19,352
I worked on education,
health care reform.
511
00:20:19,418 --> 00:20:20,720
The list goes on and on.
512
00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:24,757
And you find out in these
public service jobs, Trevor,
513
00:20:24,857 --> 00:20:28,094
that you can help make
a difference in people's lives,
514
00:20:28,194 --> 00:20:30,363
and I think that many of
the Trump-Pence accomplishments
515
00:20:30,429 --> 00:20:31,731
have done exactly that.
516
00:20:31,831 --> 00:20:34,233
We were better off economically,
517
00:20:34,367 --> 00:20:36,235
energy-wise.
Putin was not in Ukraine.
518
00:20:36,369 --> 00:20:37,970
-Iran was not salivating at
Israel. -Well, well, no, no. No.
519
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:39,939
-The list goes on and on.
It's true. -No, no, forgive me.
520
00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:41,541
-How much did you pay
for gas today? -No, no, no.
521
00:20:41,641 --> 00:20:43,910
Forgive me, forgive me.
'Cause y-you're doing the thing
522
00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:45,578
that you're very good at
right now, and that is...
523
00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:47,380
-Yeah, speaking the truth.
-No, and that is
524
00:20:47,446 --> 00:20:49,816
not-not answering the question
that I've asked you.
525
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:51,384
-Um...
-I did answer it.
526
00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:53,119
-No, no, no. No, what I--
what I'm s... -I said no.
527
00:20:53,219 --> 00:20:54,620
...what I'm saying is this--
is...
528
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,088
And I-I really--
I don't want to have
529
00:20:56,189 --> 00:20:57,957
a confrontational conversation
with you, 'cause I--
530
00:20:58,057 --> 00:20:59,759
when I was reading the book,
it felt like more
531
00:20:59,859 --> 00:21:01,794
-of a conversation
with you as a person. -Yes.
532
00:21:01,894 --> 00:21:03,796
So, okay, let me--
let me ask it this way.
533
00:21:03,896 --> 00:21:06,165
So, here you have
a situation where,
534
00:21:06,332 --> 00:21:09,435
in the book, you talk
about how you were oftentimes
535
00:21:09,535 --> 00:21:11,070
a voice of reason in the room.
536
00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:13,372
You know, I have no reason
to not believe that.
537
00:21:13,473 --> 00:21:16,175
You talk about in the book
how you said to Donald Trump,
538
00:21:16,342 --> 00:21:21,581
"Hey, you lost the election,
you have lost this election."
539
00:21:21,681 --> 00:21:22,949
Well, what I actually
said was...
540
00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:25,885
We were talking
about the December 14 deadline.
541
00:21:25,985 --> 00:21:27,220
That was the date by which
542
00:21:27,353 --> 00:21:28,488
the electors would certify
the election.
543
00:21:28,588 --> 00:21:29,989
-Right. -And they were about
to certify it
544
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,991
-for Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris. -Mm-hmm.
545
00:21:32,091 --> 00:21:33,392
And in the six weeks
prior to that--
546
00:21:33,493 --> 00:21:34,727
I had long left
the White House--
547
00:21:34,827 --> 00:21:36,162
but in the six weeks
prior to that,
548
00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:39,732
the president and his legal team
were trying to find proof
549
00:21:39,832 --> 00:21:43,369
of theft and fraud and
malfeasance and shenanigans.
550
00:21:43,402 --> 00:21:44,937
And I think there are
many unanswered questions
551
00:21:45,037 --> 00:21:46,672
from 2020 we'll never know.
552
00:21:46,772 --> 00:21:48,241
But the main thing
you said to him was?
553
00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:49,809
But I said,
"And you're coming up short.
554
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:51,144
"It looks like
you're coming up short
555
00:21:51,244 --> 00:21:52,512
for that certification date."
556
00:21:52,612 --> 00:21:53,846
Other people, Trevor,
then had the idea...
557
00:21:53,946 --> 00:21:55,081
No, no. Wait, wait.
Don't go to other people.
558
00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:56,716
Wait, wait.
Honestly, no, no, I mean...
559
00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:58,417
No, no, to go to January 6 and
do a different certification.
560
00:21:58,518 --> 00:21:59,752
No, no. I'm not talking
about January 6, though.
561
00:21:59,852 --> 00:22:01,087
I'm saying, in this case.
562
00:22:01,187 --> 00:22:02,355
This is what
I'm saying is interesting,
563
00:22:02,455 --> 00:22:03,890
is you said this in the book,
right?
564
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:05,324
I'm talking about a now issue.
You said this in the book.
565
00:22:05,424 --> 00:22:08,461
Since the book came out,
Donald Trump has come out on,
566
00:22:08,561 --> 00:22:10,329
I think it was Truth Social,
and he said,
567
00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:11,798
"No, Kellyanne Conway is lying.
568
00:22:11,898 --> 00:22:13,866
"She never said that to me,
she never told me that I lost.
569
00:22:13,966 --> 00:22:15,401
"And if she told me that,
570
00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:17,136
I would have fired her
on the spot."
571
00:22:17,236 --> 00:22:18,704
So let's say, like,
in that instance,
572
00:22:18,805 --> 00:22:20,740
it's you, it's Donald Trump.
So who's telling the truth?
573
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,009
He didn't use the words "liar"
or "fire," but what he said was,
574
00:22:23,109 --> 00:22:24,410
"I wouldn't have dealt
with her anymore.
575
00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:25,812
That's not a good criterion
to deal with anyone."
576
00:22:25,912 --> 00:22:27,847
"I wouldn't have dealt
with her anymore," is...
577
00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:30,049
-But, um, I told him...
-(laughter)
578
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:33,119
Yeah. I told him
that he came up short,
579
00:22:33,219 --> 00:22:35,354
and it broke my heart. I wish
he were still the president,
580
00:22:35,455 --> 00:22:36,823
-because things were much
better. -So you're saying...
581
00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:38,491
So you're saying you did
tell him? And so, he's...
582
00:22:38,591 --> 00:22:39,859
-When he's saying you didn't...
-I did tell him
583
00:22:39,959 --> 00:22:41,661
-that he was coming up short
for December 14. -Right.
584
00:22:41,761 --> 00:22:43,029
But I'm saying... but this
is what I mean, and this...
585
00:22:43,129 --> 00:22:44,363
Then, other people had...
well, no,
586
00:22:44,464 --> 00:22:45,698
-I'm very candid
and very honest. -No, no, no.
587
00:22:45,798 --> 00:22:47,033
-Yeah, but... -And by the way,
this is not one
588
00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:48,668
of these tell-all and bore most.
589
00:22:48,768 --> 00:22:50,937
I'm not speaking up now
because I didn't speak up then.
590
00:22:51,037 --> 00:22:52,472
-God knows I spoke up then.
-You did indeed.
591
00:22:52,572 --> 00:22:54,874
-But this is my memoir.
It's 500 pages in there. -Yes.
592
00:22:54,974 --> 00:22:57,910
-My life story, certainly time
as campaign manager. -Yes.
593
00:22:58,010 --> 00:23:00,213
Making history as the first
female campaign manager.
594
00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:01,848
Completely,
and we're gonna get to that.
595
00:23:01,948 --> 00:23:03,683
And senior counselor to the
president and what that meant.
596
00:23:03,783 --> 00:23:04,984
-Allow me to move through it
step by step. -Please.
597
00:23:05,084 --> 00:23:06,085
I promise you I'm gonna get
to those parts.
598
00:23:06,185 --> 00:23:07,353
What I'm asking you...
599
00:23:07,453 --> 00:23:08,921
So, I think
you've answered in this case.
600
00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:10,356
So you're saying that is...
the truth is that you told him?
601
00:23:10,456 --> 00:23:11,891
And you said,
broke your heart to tell him.
602
00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:14,193
Look, Joe Biden's the president.
I don't think everything was
603
00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:15,528
completely fair and transparent.
604
00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:16,863
No, no, no, no,
I'm not asking about that.
605
00:23:16,963 --> 00:23:18,197
But Joe Biden's the president,
and I told him...
606
00:23:18,331 --> 00:23:19,499
You see, you're doing
the Kellyanne Conway.
607
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:20,867
You see, the people
are right now with me.
608
00:23:20,967 --> 00:23:22,201
The people who said to me,
"She's gonna do the thing
609
00:23:22,335 --> 00:23:23,469
to you." You're doing the thing
to me right now.
610
00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:24,770
That Joe Biden is the president?
611
00:23:24,871 --> 00:23:26,339
No, I didn't ask you
that question, though.
612
00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:28,608
-Okay. -The question I asked you
was, who's telling the truth.
613
00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:30,176
That's honestly
what I asked you.
614
00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:31,711
I didn't ask you about who's
president, who's not president.
615
00:23:31,811 --> 00:23:33,045
I said,
"Who's telling the truth?"
616
00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:34,614
As in, you told one side
of the story,
617
00:23:34,714 --> 00:23:36,115
Donald Trump told another side
of the story.
618
00:23:36,215 --> 00:23:37,650
And what you're telling me is,
you're saying
619
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:39,685
-his side of the story
is not true. -I'm telling you
620
00:23:39,785 --> 00:23:41,854
that I told him,
before the December 14 deadline,
621
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:43,656
-that they were coming up short.
-Right, which he disagrees with.
622
00:23:43,756 --> 00:23:45,958
So maybe this is what
I'm trying to say.
623
00:23:46,058 --> 00:23:49,762
In this book, what I found
particularly interesting is,
624
00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:53,399
you've given us an insight
into the Trump White House
625
00:23:53,499 --> 00:23:56,569
and how it worked
or how sometimes it didn't work.
626
00:23:56,669 --> 00:24:00,106
You know, you've had some
of the more scathing opinions
627
00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:01,974
on people like Jared Kushner,
for instance.
628
00:24:02,074 --> 00:24:05,044
You don't mince your words
in the book about Jared,
629
00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:08,447
you know, or Steve Bannon,
and, you know, it feels like
630
00:24:08,548 --> 00:24:11,384
you felt like, at times they,
you know,
631
00:24:11,484 --> 00:24:13,152
got away with not being
as good at the job
632
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:14,654
as you felt
they should have been.
633
00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:17,623
Well, I think if the president,
your boss in a workplace,
634
00:24:17,723 --> 00:24:19,125
-asks you to work together
as a team... -Yeah.
635
00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:20,560
-...you should try to do that.
-Mm-hmm.
636
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,128
And this just happened
to be the West Wing,
637
00:24:22,228 --> 00:24:23,696
so it was very important
that people be collaborative
638
00:24:23,796 --> 00:24:26,432
and not confrontational. I felt
that there... Not I felt...
639
00:24:26,532 --> 00:24:29,235
There was a lot of undercutting,
if not usurping
640
00:24:29,335 --> 00:24:32,138
of other people's duties
and responsibilities.
641
00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:34,407
And there was a lot
of gratuitously nasty stuff
642
00:24:34,507 --> 00:24:37,343
going on, also, and it happened
at the very beginning.
643
00:24:37,376 --> 00:24:39,345
And here's someone,
who, you know,
644
00:24:39,445 --> 00:24:41,347
along with George,
my husband, made a decision
645
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:43,583
to move to Washington, D.C.,
move our children there.
646
00:24:43,683 --> 00:24:46,118
-He, too, took a big job in the
Trump administration. -Mm-hmm.
647
00:24:46,219 --> 00:24:48,921
We have that in common.
And we're doing all this,
648
00:24:49,021 --> 00:24:50,490
and I have people
constantly knifing me,
649
00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:52,158
constantly throwing logs
in my path.
650
00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:53,993
Now, I had two choices,
and I think a lot of women
651
00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:55,561
in the workplace
will relate to this, Trevor.
652
00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:58,131
I had two choices.
I can sort of slink away
653
00:24:58,231 --> 00:24:59,532
or cry under the desk and hope
654
00:24:59,632 --> 00:25:01,300
the emotional shrapnel
doesn't hit me,
655
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,769
or I can hold my head high
and forge ahead
656
00:25:03,870 --> 00:25:05,972
and try to be one small molecule
657
00:25:06,072 --> 00:25:08,141
that's working
for positive change.
658
00:25:08,307 --> 00:25:10,376
Um, in the end, I mean,
a lot of those guys got fired,
659
00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:12,311
slinked away in shame,
660
00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:14,347
-didn't last long.
-That's true. That's true.
661
00:25:14,447 --> 00:25:17,350
Um, and I think in many cases,
my balls were bigger, and it...
662
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:19,852
-(laughter and applause)
-In fact, actually...
663
00:25:19,952 --> 00:25:21,587
Actually, to that question,
to that point,
664
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:24,323
let's talk about the guns.
So, this is a moment.
665
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:25,825
You were an advisor
to the president.
666
00:25:25,925 --> 00:25:27,593
This is what I find interesting.
667
00:25:27,693 --> 00:25:30,630
One of my... strangest moments,
668
00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:31,964
even during the show,
669
00:25:32,064 --> 00:25:34,066
was when Donald Trump,
President Donald Trump,
670
00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:35,434
came out and he said--
671
00:25:35,535 --> 00:25:37,103
there was a-- there was
a mass shooting and he said,
672
00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:38,204
"You know what we need to do?
673
00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:40,039
We need to rage--
raise the age limit."
674
00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:42,074
He said,
"We need to ban assault rifles."
675
00:25:42,175 --> 00:25:44,343
He need-- He said,
"You Republicans who don't want
676
00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:45,912
to do it,
you're scared of the NRA."
677
00:25:46,012 --> 00:25:47,947
He came out.
He had all of these measures,
678
00:25:48,047 --> 00:25:49,749
which I said--
Even on the show, I was like,
679
00:25:49,849 --> 00:25:51,717
"This is amazing.
This is fantastic."
680
00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:53,152
Many were shocked.
681
00:25:53,252 --> 00:25:54,921
But then we've learned recently
682
00:25:55,021 --> 00:25:56,923
that there were--
there were some of his insiders
683
00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:58,057
who convinced him--
I think, like,
684
00:25:58,157 --> 00:25:59,358
Mick Mulvaney was one of them--
who said,
685
00:25:59,459 --> 00:26:01,093
"Don't do it.
You're gonna lose if you do it."
686
00:26:01,194 --> 00:26:02,962
And Trump said, "I don't care.
We need to do this."
687
00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:04,297
And he got convinced out of it.
688
00:26:04,397 --> 00:26:07,834
Now, I-I would love to know,
from your perspective,
689
00:26:07,934 --> 00:26:10,436
how did his team convince him
out of something when--
690
00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:12,205
I mean, this was the man who--
Everyone said, "Don't--
691
00:26:12,305 --> 00:26:13,573
You can't build a wall."
He said, "I'm gonna go
692
00:26:13,673 --> 00:26:14,874
-and build this wall." You know?
-Right.
693
00:26:14,974 --> 00:26:16,375
"You can't ban Muslims."
He's like, "I'm gonna find a way
694
00:26:16,476 --> 00:26:18,344
to do it."
How did they convince him--
695
00:26:18,444 --> 00:26:21,380
What do we not know about
the gun lobby and the gun world,
696
00:26:21,481 --> 00:26:23,649
that they managed
to push Donald Trump away
697
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:25,184
-from his initial position?
-Well, respectfully,
698
00:26:25,318 --> 00:26:28,121
the premise is flawed. Because
I was in those conversations,
699
00:26:28,221 --> 00:26:30,790
and he did talk
about different measures.
700
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:33,426
But they didn't come to the...
they didn't come to the Senate.
701
00:26:33,526 --> 00:26:35,328
They didn't come...
They didn't reach his desk.
702
00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:37,130
A president has
to sign into law things
703
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:39,132
that the United States Congress
has the guts to put there.
704
00:26:39,232 --> 00:26:41,134
And they did not... Now, I
want... I also want to say this.
705
00:26:41,234 --> 00:26:43,136
-That's not always true,
though. -I was there,
706
00:26:43,236 --> 00:26:45,171
um, for Parkland.
I was there after the Parkland,
707
00:26:45,338 --> 00:26:47,673
-Valentine's Day 2018 murder.
-Mm-hmm. And by the way,
708
00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:49,142
I'm not blaming Trump,
by the way. I'm just asking.
709
00:26:49,242 --> 00:26:50,510
No, no.
And I want to answer you.
710
00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:51,911
I'm asking how he got shifted
from his position.
711
00:26:52,011 --> 00:26:53,613
And then I flew with him
to Santa Fe, Texas
712
00:26:53,713 --> 00:26:55,348
-when there was
a shooting there. -Yeah.
713
00:26:55,448 --> 00:26:57,216
Eight children were killed,
eight high schoolers
714
00:26:57,350 --> 00:27:00,620
and two teachers there, and what
I learned the entire time
715
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,088
is that people are very quick
716
00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:03,790
to say it's this problem,
it's that problem.
717
00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:05,458
It's actually a spectrum.
718
00:27:05,558 --> 00:27:06,859
-You know, it's never one thing
that causes it. -Completely.
719
00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:08,461
And it's never one thing
that can solve it.
720
00:27:08,561 --> 00:27:09,896
Right, but then,
nothing gets done.
721
00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:13,065
So, nothing has gotten done,
and again, if you've got
722
00:27:13,166 --> 00:27:15,034
a president that's been there
50 years, I hope he will 'cause
723
00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:16,903
-he can say... -Wait. Joe Biden
hasn't been there for 50 years.
724
00:27:17,003 --> 00:27:18,237
No, no, I hope he can. I know.
725
00:27:18,337 --> 00:27:19,806
-I know you're probably
booing him. -But, no.
726
00:27:19,906 --> 00:27:21,340
-But no, no, no. Donald Trump
was there. -I don't blame you.
727
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,142
Yeah. He does stink.
All the polls say it.
728
00:27:23,242 --> 00:27:24,710
No, this is what I'm...
I'm saying...
729
00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:28,181
I'm saying to you as an advisor,
like, and I mean this honestly,
730
00:27:28,281 --> 00:27:29,782
-as a person... -'Cause you're
playing Kellyanne Conway.
731
00:27:29,882 --> 00:27:31,050
Like, you're not even a fan
of the semicolon tonight.
732
00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:32,652
-No, no, no, no.
-I'm just listening.
733
00:27:32,752 --> 00:27:35,388
What-what I'm saying to you
is in the position that
734
00:27:35,488 --> 00:27:37,590
you are in-- and the position
that you may find yourself
735
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:39,826
in again, because you-you
do have the ear of many
736
00:27:39,926 --> 00:27:42,962
powerful Republicans, you do
have, you know, you're in
737
00:27:43,062 --> 00:27:45,698
the rare position of speaking to
Donald Trump and Mike Pence
738
00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:47,934
right now.
You're one of the few people
739
00:27:48,034 --> 00:27:50,036
who is the connective tissue
of many parts
740
00:27:50,136 --> 00:27:52,972
of the Republican party, both
the old and the new, and so,
741
00:27:53,072 --> 00:27:55,741
Maybe I would ask you then-- as
an advisor now-- what are
742
00:27:55,842 --> 00:27:58,411
some of the common sense ideas
that you think could be passed?
743
00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:00,012
'Cause I think these
are moments that shouldn't be
744
00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:01,614
Republican and Democrat,
these are just children.
745
00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:02,882
Do you get what I'm saying?
746
00:28:02,982 --> 00:28:04,851
You just said
the most important word here.
747
00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,819
I know people talk about
guns and mental health
748
00:28:06,919 --> 00:28:09,088
and hardening the targets.
I'm thinking through
749
00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:11,023
the vantage point
of the children,
750
00:28:11,124 --> 00:28:13,860
and we should just start there
on all of these matters,
751
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,162
and I learned that in listening
to the Parkland families.
752
00:28:16,262 --> 00:28:18,397
I learned that
after the Dayton shooter
753
00:28:18,498 --> 00:28:21,734
had his juvenile records
were kept private,
754
00:28:21,834 --> 00:28:23,803
in other words his privacy
versus the security
755
00:28:23,903 --> 00:28:26,806
of other people. I learned
that when we looked at Parkland
756
00:28:26,906 --> 00:28:29,008
and you saw the FBI
had visited many times
757
00:28:29,108 --> 00:28:30,376
and nobody ever did anything.
758
00:28:30,476 --> 00:28:33,980
These, um, people, these madmen,
these moral depravities,
759
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,749
evil people-- they usually
broadcast their intention.
760
00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:38,417
They're bragging about "I want
to be a school shooter,
761
00:28:38,518 --> 00:28:41,387
look at me." And so we should
take that seriously.
762
00:28:41,487 --> 00:28:42,755
I mean, here, they say,
763
00:28:42,855 --> 00:28:43,923
"If you see something,
say something."
764
00:28:44,023 --> 00:28:45,391
They mean a backpack
in the subway.
765
00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:47,693
I think the people
who are around these folks
766
00:28:47,794 --> 00:28:48,861
and are afraid of them
767
00:28:48,961 --> 00:28:50,096
and believe
that they could do...
768
00:28:50,196 --> 00:28:52,198
should feel free
to go to the authority
769
00:28:52,298 --> 00:28:53,432
under cover of privacy.
770
00:28:53,533 --> 00:28:55,735
Go to the authorities
and report that.
771
00:28:55,835 --> 00:28:57,570
Here's what I think
should happen with the children.
772
00:28:57,670 --> 00:29:00,907
You know, Trevor, if we
just acted with the same gusto
773
00:29:01,007 --> 00:29:03,976
to protect our children
from violence in the schools
774
00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:05,578
that we did to protect them
from the virus,
775
00:29:05,678 --> 00:29:06,813
which we should have done...
776
00:29:06,913 --> 00:29:09,081
Uh, we now have $112 billion
777
00:29:09,182 --> 00:29:11,184
in last year's
American Rescue Plan
778
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:15,087
in-in post-pandemic money
for, um, for the schools.
779
00:29:15,188 --> 00:29:17,757
92% of it, according to the
Wall Street Journal last week,
780
00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:19,091
is unspent. Why?
781
00:29:19,192 --> 00:29:20,660
Well, because they already did
the ventilation.
782
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,361
They already did the stickers.
We already did the masks.
783
00:29:22,462 --> 00:29:23,463
Now we're moving on to...
784
00:29:23,563 --> 00:29:24,764
It's earmarked
for mental health.
785
00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:26,933
It's earmarked for more teachers
and counselors.
786
00:29:27,033 --> 00:29:28,701
It's earmarked
for lost learning.
787
00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:30,837
And we should be spending
that money.
788
00:29:30,937 --> 00:29:32,705
It's $7 billion just here
in New York City,
789
00:29:32,805 --> 00:29:34,540
the largest school district
in the country,
790
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,177
and it's not spent yet because
it expires in September 2024.
791
00:29:38,277 --> 00:29:39,745
They're trying to figure out
how to do it.
792
00:29:39,846 --> 00:29:41,714
Let's take that money.
It's already been passed
793
00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:43,182
and approved by the president.
794
00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,084
Let's take that money
and shift it over
795
00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:48,020
to keeping our kids safe
in these schools. My goodness,
796
00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:50,056
-we keep athletes safe. -So,
nothing on the side of guns?
797
00:29:50,156 --> 00:29:51,491
-Politicians safe. -No,
I'm saying nothing on the side
798
00:29:51,591 --> 00:29:52,758
-of guns themselves?
-No. No, of course not.
799
00:29:52,859 --> 00:29:54,193
19 states have red flag laws.
800
00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:56,529
These states have taken action
where Washington has not.
801
00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:57,997
In fact, the state of Florida,
802
00:29:58,097 --> 00:29:59,265
with a Republican
state legislator,
803
00:29:59,398 --> 00:30:00,566
Republican Governor Rick Scott,
804
00:30:00,666 --> 00:30:03,336
um, passed red flag laws
after Parkland, Florida.
805
00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:05,538
So it is possible,
as people are saying,
806
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:07,840
"Do something, say something,"
to do something.
807
00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:10,343
And I don't know what's
going to happen in Congress.
808
00:30:10,409 --> 00:30:11,811
I'd like to feel more hopeful
809
00:30:11,911 --> 00:30:13,746
that people
will come to their senses
810
00:30:13,846 --> 00:30:16,015
and think about how
to keep these kids safe,
811
00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,817
because it should not be
an occupational hazard
812
00:30:17,917 --> 00:30:20,186
for any child, um,
to go to school
813
00:30:20,353 --> 00:30:22,789
and to fear for their lives,
obviously, or their safety.
814
00:30:22,889 --> 00:30:25,258
But there are so many signs
along the way,
815
00:30:25,358 --> 00:30:26,959
and people should feel free...
816
00:30:27,059 --> 00:30:29,362
Instead of judging
everybody's social media posts
817
00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:32,064
and-and calling everybody names
and canceling people,
818
00:30:32,165 --> 00:30:33,232
why don't we say,
819
00:30:33,366 --> 00:30:37,370
"That person's
slinging an AR-15 online,
820
00:30:37,403 --> 00:30:39,505
"saying he aspires
to be a school shooter.
821
00:30:39,605 --> 00:30:41,440
"Half the class
is afraid of him.
822
00:30:41,541 --> 00:30:43,376
why don't we do something
about that."
823
00:30:43,476 --> 00:30:45,711
So, I think it's all that.
And I-I was disappointed
824
00:30:45,812 --> 00:30:48,214
to hear Senator Chris Murphy
of Connecticut,
825
00:30:48,381 --> 00:30:50,116
um, say last week,
826
00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:52,385
"Don't give me that bullshit
about mental health.
827
00:30:52,485 --> 00:30:54,387
"Uh, we don't have
any more mental health problems
828
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:55,755
than other countries."
Excuse me.
829
00:30:55,855 --> 00:30:58,157
It is a big problem here.
Maybe in other countries, too.
830
00:30:58,257 --> 00:30:59,892
But we have to look at that.
831
00:30:59,992 --> 00:31:01,327
We have to start investing
in that.
832
00:31:01,394 --> 00:31:04,063
Um, so, yes, I believe
in the case of Buffalo,
833
00:31:04,163 --> 00:31:05,731
there was a red flag
should have been triggered,
834
00:31:05,832 --> 00:31:07,366
and the authorities
did not do anything about it.
835
00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:08,634
The Buffalo shooter.
836
00:31:08,734 --> 00:31:10,236
Um, here in Uvalde,
837
00:31:10,336 --> 00:31:12,205
this-this, um, murderer,
838
00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:14,607
who just recently turned 18,
I believe,
839
00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:17,777
there were warning signs,
and people were afraid of him,
840
00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,046
and they said he would,
you know, torture cats
841
00:31:20,146 --> 00:31:21,848
and brag about,
"I'm going to rape you.
842
00:31:21,948 --> 00:31:23,182
I'm going to be
a school shooter."
843
00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:25,451
I think you have to take
people like that seriously
844
00:31:25,551 --> 00:31:26,819
and not just look the other way.
845
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:28,988
So, there is a whole spectrum
of solutions
846
00:31:29,088 --> 00:31:30,356
-that we should look at.
-So, if I hear
847
00:31:30,456 --> 00:31:31,591
what you're saying correctly,
in that situation,
848
00:31:31,691 --> 00:31:33,025
which I would agree with,
849
00:31:33,126 --> 00:31:35,027
is what you're saying is
if you look at these red flags,
850
00:31:35,128 --> 00:31:36,529
if you look at these moments
ahead of time,
851
00:31:36,629 --> 00:31:38,498
you can find reasons
to restrict people
852
00:31:38,598 --> 00:31:40,900
from gaining access to guns
because you're saying
853
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,002
we see that this is not
conducive to society being safe.
854
00:31:43,102 --> 00:31:44,237
Right.
Not everybody should have it,
855
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:45,705
because if you're operating
a machine...
856
00:31:45,805 --> 00:31:47,273
-It's just like having a...
-No, that we can agree on.
857
00:31:47,373 --> 00:31:48,708
I didn't think we'd have
an agreement on the show.
858
00:31:48,808 --> 00:31:50,209
-Any other...
-I didn't.
859
00:31:50,376 --> 00:31:51,811
-This is fantastic. -We agree
on many things, believe...
860
00:31:51,911 --> 00:31:53,479
-I listen to you, and...
-This is, uh...
861
00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:56,382
And, look, I... This country...
I write in my book at the end...
862
00:31:56,449 --> 00:31:59,152
The-the, uh, the publisher,
Simon & Schuster,
863
00:31:59,252 --> 00:32:01,521
the head there asked me,
"Can you dig a little bit deeper
864
00:32:01,621 --> 00:32:03,723
and try to unify the country?"
Like, sure, that sounds easy.
865
00:32:03,823 --> 00:32:05,892
And I did try.
And one thing I said,
866
00:32:05,992 --> 00:32:07,760
I think, is incredibly important
for us all to realize
867
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:10,530
is that, sure, we can
talk about bipartisanship.
868
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:12,532
We can talk
about finding common ground.
869
00:32:12,632 --> 00:32:14,133
I always think that's valuable.
870
00:32:14,233 --> 00:32:15,668
But we also need to realize
871
00:32:15,768 --> 00:32:17,436
that not everybody
in this country
872
00:32:17,537 --> 00:32:20,706
wants to wear the red
or blue uniform 24-7, 365.
873
00:32:20,807 --> 00:32:22,642
We don't want politics
in every conversation,
874
00:32:22,742 --> 00:32:24,877
collaboration, consideration.
Every meal.
875
00:32:24,977 --> 00:32:27,847
Every conversation, um,
at your place of worship
876
00:32:27,947 --> 00:32:30,082
or your place of work
and the kids' playground.
877
00:32:30,183 --> 00:32:32,118
You have...
We have much more in common
878
00:32:32,218 --> 00:32:33,953
in this beautiful country
filled with amazing people
879
00:32:34,053 --> 00:32:35,922
than people realize,
but these cultural cleavages
880
00:32:36,022 --> 00:32:39,759
are very real, and we have to...
we have to confront that,
881
00:32:39,859 --> 00:32:41,828
and we have to, I think,
deal with it.
882
00:32:41,928 --> 00:32:44,430
And, look, if Donald Trump wants
to be president again, it's...
883
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,466
The simplest path
is not to look backward.
884
00:32:46,566 --> 00:32:47,733
It's to run against Joe Biden.
885
00:32:47,834 --> 00:32:49,368
He can have
a cage match rematch,
886
00:32:49,435 --> 00:32:51,370
and I think people
will pay attention to that.
887
00:32:51,471 --> 00:32:52,672
-(laughter)
-That's what he wants to do.
888
00:32:52,772 --> 00:32:55,608
That's-that's
the smoothest, easiest path...
889
00:32:55,708 --> 00:32:57,910
That's the smoothest,
easiest path
890
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:59,545
if he really want to do that.
891
00:32:59,645 --> 00:33:01,881
But, um,
but we have to also respect
892
00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:04,450
that the growing number
of people in this country,
893
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:07,553
they are upset with what's
going on in Washington.
894
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:09,889
They feel excluded
from the process,
895
00:33:09,989 --> 00:33:11,858
-excluded from the system.
-Can I tell you what I think
896
00:33:11,958 --> 00:33:13,559
happens in America
that's particularly interesting
897
00:33:13,659 --> 00:33:16,329
is America is one of the few
countries I've lived in
898
00:33:16,362 --> 00:33:19,065
where politicians complain
899
00:33:19,165 --> 00:33:21,701
about politics being a tool
900
00:33:21,801 --> 00:33:23,503
that should be used
to change a country
901
00:33:23,603 --> 00:33:25,705
when they are in the position
of changing the country.
902
00:33:25,805 --> 00:33:27,140
-They're in there. They love it.
-Using their politics.
903
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,375
-That's right. Yes. Yes.
-It's... It's been great
904
00:33:29,475 --> 00:33:30,977
having you on the show.
I could chat to you for hours.
905
00:33:31,077 --> 00:33:32,145
Unfortunately,
we have the time that we have.
906
00:33:32,245 --> 00:33:33,646
Thank you
very much for having me, sir.
907
00:33:33,746 --> 00:33:35,148
Thank you so much for joining
me. Not many people would.
908
00:33:35,248 --> 00:33:36,649
Kellyanne's memoir
Here's the Deal
909
00:33:36,749 --> 00:33:38,050
is available right now.
We're gonna take a quick break.
910
00:33:38,151 --> 00:33:39,385
We'll be right back after this.
911
00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:40,553
(cheering and applause)
912
00:33:40,653 --> 00:33:42,355
Thank you very much
for being here.
913
00:33:46,291 --> 00:33:48,193
(cheering and applause)
914
00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:49,561
Well, that's our show
for tonight.
915
00:33:49,661 --> 00:33:51,696
But before we go,
please consider donating
916
00:33:51,796 --> 00:33:53,464
to Everytown for Gun Safety.
917
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:56,267
They're a movement
of parents, students, survivors,
918
00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:58,570
educators, gun owners
and concerned citizens
919
00:33:58,670 --> 00:34:01,940
fighting to end gun violence
and build safer communities.
920
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,577
Research shows that commonsense
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921
00:34:05,677 --> 00:34:08,012
can reduce gun violence
and save lives.
922
00:34:08,112 --> 00:34:10,481
Everytown works with local,
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923
00:34:10,582 --> 00:34:12,483
to enact
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924
00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:14,619
So, if you can,
please donate at the link below.
925
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,421
Until tomorrow,
stay safe out there.
926
00:34:16,521 --> 00:34:19,090
And remember, you don't need
to stop a bad guy with a gun
927
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:20,892
if you don't let him get one
in the first place.
928
00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:23,661
-Now here it is, Your Moment
of Zen. -(cheering and applause)
929
00:34:23,761 --> 00:34:25,663
♪ ♪
930
00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:29,234
My family and I were
with President Trump,
931
00:34:29,334 --> 00:34:31,436
and even not liking germs,
932
00:34:31,536 --> 00:34:32,904
President Trump
933
00:34:33,004 --> 00:34:36,107
shared a bowl of popcorn
934
00:34:36,207 --> 00:34:38,443
with my 14-year-old son.
935
00:34:38,543 --> 00:34:40,578
(cheering and applause)