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Take a seat, everybody. Take a seat. Let's do this thing.
We have got a jam-packed show for you today.
We're gonna be talking about what America's plan is
to stop these mass shootings.
Ronny Chieng is celebrating
Asian American and Pacific Islander Month.
And our guest tonight is former advisor
to President Donald Trump, Kellyanne Conway.
Yeah. So that's gonna be interesting.
So, let's do this, people.
Let's jump straight into today's big headlines.
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All right. There's no denying
that there is a lot going on in the world right now.
For instance, Russia is still invading Ukraine.
And, in response, the European Union has just announced
that they will be banning almost all Russian oil imports,
which is-- if successful,
is basically gonna turn Russia's currency
into the TikTok crying filter all the time.
And if this wasn't enough for Europe to be dealing with,
there's also a growing outbreak of monkeypox.
Yes. A disease that's killing off everyone's NFTs.
So, please, everyone,
vaccinate your monkey.
Remember.
And, by the way, they're actually saying
that it's being spread mostly through sex.
Yeah.
So at least now, when you show up to the doctor with monkeypox,
your doctor can be like, "My man."
Oh, and, on top of all of that,
someone threw a cake at the Mona Lisa.
Yes. Which apparently was to protest climate change.
Yeah, it sounded weird, but, uh,
apparently most people don't know this about the Mona Lisa,
but if you widen out on that picture of her,
she's actually driving a Hummer. Not cool.
That's where the picture's from.
So, yeah, there-there's so much happening.
So much happening in the world.
But America can't focus on any of that stuff.
Because, once again,
America is reeling from mass shootings.
All the way from Buffalo, New York, to Uvalde, Texas,
people are asking, how long can this keep going on?
And here's the good news--
in response, a major bill has been announced
which would ban the new sales of handguns
and allow the government to forcefully buy back
assault rifles.
In Canada.
Yeah, this is completely real.
Canada saw what happened here,
and they're shutting down guns there.
Yeah. At this point,
America is basically a Scared Straight program
that gets other countries on the right path. Yeah.
It's, like, you ever smelled someone so bad,
you know, that you decide that you need to take a shower?
That's what America is with gun laws now to other countries.
They're like... (sniffing)
"We need to do something about guns."
And while most Americans-- liberals and conservatives--
are open to common-sense restrictions
on guns to keep Americans safe,
there is still a small yet powerful group
of gun (bleep) who believe the problem
with gun violence is not because of guns.
No, it's because of everything else.
Part of the problem is how this generation
of kids exists mostly online.
They see actual violence, as is portrayed
in the movies they watch, the music they listen to
and the games... the video games they play.
When I played war growing up with my friends,
the boys were allowed to be boys.
I said to my friend Andy, "Bang. You're dead."
But the difference is, we knew it was fake.
And Andy got up afterwards.
And we went and jumped in the fire hydrant
or whoever had a pool.
-What? -(laughter)
First of all, why do I feel like Andy's fake?
And second of all, what is this loser talking about?
Kids know that games are fake, my man.
No one is turning off Grand Theft Auto like,
"Shit! I just ran over 80 pedestrians.
"Should I get a lawyer?
"Oh, my God, I'm too young for jail!
What am I gonna do?"
The argument that American music
and video games causes gun violence totally falls apart
when you realize the entire world listens
to American music and plays American video games.
Yeah, but they have nowhere the same level
of America's mass shootings.
And don't get it twisted. It's the same music.
It's not like in Sweden, there, Snoop Dogg is like...
♪ Rat, ta-ta-tat, and I never hesitate ♪
♪ To put a hat on a cat. ♪
(laughter)
It's the same music.
Why are they not getting the same results?
And please, please, please.
Gun fanatics--- they-they don't just want
to ban video games and music.
No, no, no. It's going further.
They also want to replace those things
with what they say are some lost values.
The only solution is Christ Jesus
and being able to get some type of spirituality
and prayer back into our schools.
Right now, today, we live in a country
where our millennials' participation rate
for church is under 30% in a lot of locations.
This is the lowest church participation
we've ever had as a nation.
Uh, and, so, it just shows you
why you see so much chaos in our streets.
Yeah, I mean, that could be one solution.
We need to bring Jesus into our schools.
I mean, I don't know how Jesus would feel about that.
Yeah, because if I was Jesus, I'd be like,
"Yo, forget that. Look at what you guys did to me with nails.
"I'm not coming back when there's guns, like AR-15s.
Shit. I learned my lesson."
(applause)
But again, if you think gun violence in America is high
because people aren't going to church,
then why don't they have the same gun violence in Europe?
Because there, nobody goes to church.
It's like a thing that's done now.
If you go to church in Germany, you'll be the only one there.
Even the preacher will be like, "Aah!
"Oh, geez, you scared me the shit out of me.
"Nobody comes in here anymore.
"I even forget there was a door.
Oh. Oh. Oh, my God, that was crazy. Oh."
The point is gun lovers have been blaming the same causes
over and over again for decades, although, this time,
to their credit, they've come up with a new thing to blame.
It's not the guns, it's the books.
We stopped teaching values in so many of our schools.
Now-now we're teaching wokeness, we're t--
we're indoctrinating our children with things like CRT.
Yeah, that's right. That's how evil critical race theory is--
it's only been around for, like, a year,
and it's already caused three decades of school shootings.
It's really tough. It goes back in time. It's so powerful.
Look, man, I know you guys want to blame anything but guns,
but it still has to make sense. Can we agree on that? Right?
You can't just blame stuff that you are already mad at.
These guys are like, "Maybe there wouldn't be
"so many, uh, you know, violent shootings in schools
"if my wife would stop flirting with the landscaper. I mean...
is it just me?"
They're making it sound like there used to be a lesson
that was about the importance of not shooting people,
but they never got to it because they spent too long
on teaching slavery. This doesn't make any sense.
And if it's not religion and if it's not video games
and it's not the music, what else could it be?
Well, according to some gun lovers,
maybe it was the school's fault.
One of the things that-that everyone agree
is don't have all of these unlocked back doors.
Have one door into and out of the school.
I would like to see this-- a national push toward
instead of parent buying their kids all these tools
and toys and games,
invest in the classroom to make it safer.
They have blankets that you can put up on the wall
that are colorful and beautiful,
but they're ballistic blankets.
We need to install man traps.
A series of interlocking doors at the school entrance
that are triggered by a trip wire.
The trip wire can be a gunshot, broken glass,
a manual switch tossed by a school employee,
and it traps the shooter like a rat.
Are these people hearing themselves?
You think kids can't tell fantasy from reality,
but your suggestion is like, "How about we make a school
"with steel doors that slam and windows that turn into concrete
"or, even better, the whole school becomes a Transformer.
"Yeah, so that way, when the school shooter comes,
the whole school can run away from it."
Not to mention, have you guys ever been in a school? Huh?
You realize the fire alarm gets pulled as a prank,
like, once a week. You think the jocks
aren't gonna be constantly tossing nerds into the man trap?
Do you listen to yourselves?
And even if those ideas don't work, even if they don't,
there's one solution that conservatives
love to come back to time and time again,
and over the weekend it was proposed yet again
by none other than Donald Jarhead Trump.
What we need now is a top-to-bottom security overhaul
at schools all across our country.
And above all, from this day forward,
every school in America should have a police officer
or an armed resource officer
-on duty at all times. -(cheering and applause)
Yeah. Yeah. You know, you always hear
people saying this after a school shooting.
What we need is armed police officers in the school.
What's amazing about the debate this time
is that they're still saying it
even though in the shooting that just happened,
there was an armed police officer,
and it didn't help.
Yeah, classic Trump.
Proposing a solution after it already failed.
(laughter)
I mean, he would have been a lot of fun
in the lifeboats after the Titanic.
"Next time, we should just ram that iceberg really hard.
"What's the worst that could happen?
What do you think, Jack? What do you think?"
(laughter)
And as we've all heard by now,
there wasn't just an armed resource officer on the scene.
There was a whole platoon of police officers
who responded to the shooting
but didn't do shit to stop it
while it was still going on.
Yeah, and I'm willing to guess
it's because they were all so shit-scared
of a gunman armed with an AR-15.
I feel like that's what we have to ask ourselves.
As a society,
do we want to live in a world
where anyone can legally buy weapons
that the police are scared of? Huh?
And just by the way, just by the way,
for me, it's been amazing
to see how some people love guns so much
that they've gone from "Blue Lives Matter"
to "Screw these bitch-ass cops.
"If they're not here to get shot,
"then what's the point of having them around?
(bleep) the police."
Oh, now you don't care about the cops' lives?
Like, I don't know. Maybe it's just me.
I would rather, say, get rid of the AR-15s
and make these officers' jobs a lot more safe.
Maybe it's just me.
(cheering and applause)
It's why a lot of people flip.
You just flip whenever you feel like it.
It's also crazy how the cops, they can do anything.
Right? They shoot people because they think they have a gun.
And then now they're like... They know it's a gun.
They're like, "Well, can't shoot them."
(laughter)
"If it's a wallet, maybe. But, I mean..."
So, look, I know that America's never going to do
what Canada is doing. I don't even expect that.
Right? There's a gun culture in this country
that is far too engrained to ever truly get rid of it.
And I also know
that we're not gonna stop gun violence altogether.
I'm not naive.
But I would hope, I would just hope
that after a tragedy like this,
Americans could agree
that losing some of these is worth it
to prevent losing more of these.
Don't go away, 'cause after the break,
Ronny Chieng is celebrating AAPI Month,
and Kellyanne Conway will be joining us on the show.
We'll be right back.
(cheering and applause)
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
Throughout the month of May,
people have been celebrating
Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month.
And tonight, for the last day of May,
Ronny Chieng decided to school us the way only he can.
♪ ♪
That's right, people.
We've got our own month.
And in honor of AAPI Month, I'm gonna teach you
about the most underrepresented demographic of all time,
Asian Americans in sports.
And I don't just mean the heavy hitters,
like Jeremy Lin, Michelle Kwan,
Tiger Woods.
Yeah, we're claiming him.
You got a problem with that?
Take it up with the U.N.
Instead, I want to focus on the underdogs who blazed a trail
for all the other Asian American athletes to come,
people like Wally Yonamine,
a Japanese American who played not one
but two professional sports.
And unlike Michael Jordan,
he didn't suck at one of them.
Also, he never became a crying meme.
Why are you sad? You're Michael Jordan.
First, in 1947,
Yonamine became a running back for the San Francisco 49ers.
But in the wake of World War II,
he faced a ton of discrimination,
even while he was playing.
When he would get tackled,
the opposing team would punch and kick him.
Do you realize how insane that is?
I mean, it's football.
Everyone's going home with brain damage already.
You don't need to force it.
After a wrist injury in 1951,
Yonamine decided to switch to baseball.
He moved to Japan to play for the Yomiuri Giants,
where he was an 11-time All-Star
and became the first American player ever
to be inducted into the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame.
Crazy thing is, Yonamine faced racism in Japan, too,
but this time, because he was American.
At games, the fans would chant, "Yankee, go home!,"
which is normally something you expect
to hear only at Red Sox games,
or, honestly, any place in Boston that serves alcohol.
But enough about baseball.
Let's talk about something people actually watch--
the Olympics.
In 1948, Victoria Manalo Draves became the first
AAPI Olympic champion,
but being Filipino, she also faced a lot of discrimination.
In fact, when she was younger and used a public pool,
the town assholes would drain the water after she swam in it,
which isn't just racist. It's idiotic.
You're gonna double your water bill
just because you're afraid of catching being Asian?
You can't even get that from a pool.
You have to share the same straw, dumbasses.
But against the odds, Manalo won her gold metal
in the women's three meter springboard,
and she was cheered on by diver Sammy Lee,
the first Asian-American man to win an Olympic gold medal.
That's right. The first AAPI gold medals at the same games.
It was like Asian Christmas,
which is just Christmas.
But not every Asian who broke the color barrier
had a happy ending.
In 1948, Larry Kwong became the first non-white player
in the NHL when he joined the New York Rangers.
But they only put him on ice for a minute,
and he never played in another game again,
which sucks. But breaking the color barrier
is like losing your virginity:
even if you only did it for a second, it still counts.
Another great first happened in 1927, when Walter Achiu became
the first person of East Asian descent to play in the NFL.
Because his last name was Achiu, he earned the nickname "Sneeze."
Sadly, this was before athlete sponsorships were a thing,
so he couldn't even get that sweet, sweet Kleenex money.
Eventually, he retired from the NFL to compete in a safer sport,
wrestling, proving that Asians
can roll around with our balls in someone's face
just like everyone else.
But let's move on to my personal favorite sport: basketball.
The first non-white player of any race in NBA history
was Japanese American Wataru Misaka.
In 1947, he was the first draft pick of the New York Knicks,
and they even promoted his skills to sell tickets,
but, shocker, he faced a lot of anti-Japanese sentiment
and only ended up playing three games.
It was so bad, he decided to go back to school
to get his engineering degree, which I respect.
He was basically like,
"Oh, you don't like me being Asian?
Well, I'm gonna be extra Asian now, bitches."
But sports isn't just about the athletes.
There are so many other people who have made history
without destroying their joints.
People like Kim Ng,
who became the general manager of the Miami Marlins,
making her the first female GM
in any major American men's league.
She worked her way up the ladder facing racism and sexism.
It's the surf and turf of discrimination.
So, now you know. There's been
so many unsung Asian sports heroes in history.
Don't bother thanking me.
My meager teacher salary is thanks enough.
And yes, this is all gonna be on a final.
Happy AAPI Month, idiots.
(cheering and applause)
Ronny Chieng, everybody. All right, when we come back,
former advisor to President Trump
Kellyanne Conway is joining me on the show,
so don't go away.
(cheering and applause)
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
My guest tonight served
as Donald Trump's campaign manager in 2016
and would become one of President Trump's
longest-serving aides.
She's here to talk about that and her new memoir,
Here's the Deal.
Please welcome Kellyanne Conway.
-♪ ♪ -(cheering and applause)
-Thank you for having me. -Welcome to the show.
-Thank you. -Thank you so much.
Kellyanne Conway, welcome to The Daily Show.
Thank you for having me.
You know, there are few guests I have on my show
that get me more people asking the question why.
You know? That's what people-- I said, um,
"Kellyanne Conway's gonna be on the show." And people were like,
"Why? Why have Kellyanne Conway on?"
And then, you know, some of my friends were like,
"Oh, she's gonna lie to you. She's gonna flip things around.
"She's gonna spin this-- She's gonna be--
She's gonna-- Why?" That's what people asked me the whole...
-But you know why they're really asking that. -Why?
-(laughter) -You tell me.
Because they think they know me.
They think the caricature is real,
and they don't want to hear from people who disagree with them.
I don't think that that's completely true.
-I think it's very true of many people. -I think it's because
people-- I think it's-- I think what happens is
people get frustrated,
um, especially in America,
because they feel like they're being toyed with.
You know? And I'm not putting this all on you, by the way.
I-I actually found the book interesting,
because there were parts of the book
that I feel like illuminated stories that you-you never told
or parts of being in the Trump presidency
that nobody knew about.
And-and I guess
maybe that-that's, like, the first question I had
about your job and what you were doing with President Trump
and that is, when you were working in the White House
and you had the position that you had,
when you're working for an administration,
do you feel like there are times where you have to lie
to protect the president?
Or do you feel like you have to do that
because you're furthering a greater good?
No. Not-- None of the above.
First of all, the president offered me
the press secretary job within an hour
-or an hour and a half of being elected i-in 2016. -Mm-hmm.
I said no. 'Cause he said, "You'll be great at that."
I'm thinking to myself-- I wrote in the book--
"I'd be a terrible press secretary.
I'm not even sure what they do."
And so I didn't want a press or comms job.
I took a policy job,
but I kept getting pulled out,
um, to speak on behalf of the White House,
on behalf of the country.
And I have to tell you, people will say,
"How can you go up against this anchor?"
They ask me the same question. "Why would you go on this show?
"Why do you deal with that anchor?
-"They're not fair to you. -Right.
They only prefer Democrats," et cetera.
And I say, "Look, the anchors are never really my audience.
The people are the audience."
There are folks out there, the forgotten man,
forgotten woman, forgotten child,
who would not otherwise have access to information,
news they can use,
facts and figures that affect their ev-everyday lives.
-Mm-hmm. -But there were many times I didn't speak.
There were many things I didn't address.
I either felt that I was not the expert on them
or I didn't have all the answers.
But I would note that, you know,
all the smart men around me did not go on TV,
did not come and face the music,
did not come and explain.
Um, I was almost like their mop-mop-up girl
and spokesmodel sometimes. That's what they wanted.
So that they can be behind the scenes,
working on important policy.
And, I have to tell you, even this White House,
when it started, the Biden-Harris White House,
they said, "Look at us.
We have a 100% female press and comm shop."
And I thought, "Well, of course you do.
Because the women don't get as many policy jobs."
And that's what I wanted to do.
So I worked on veterans,
military, military spouses.
I worked on the-the Tax Cut and Jobs Act.
-I worked on the opioid crisis. -Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
I worked on education, health care reform.
The list goes on and on.
And you find out in these public service jobs, Trevor,
that you can help make a difference in people's lives,
and I think that many of the Trump-Pence accomplishments
have done exactly that.
We were better off economically,
energy-wise. Putin was not in Ukraine.
-Iran was not salivating at Israel. -Well, well, no, no. No.
-The list goes on and on. It's true. -No, no, forgive me.
-How much did you pay for gas today? -No, no, no.
Forgive me, forgive me. 'Cause y-you're doing the thing
that you're very good at right now, and that is...
-Yeah, speaking the truth. -No, and that is
not-not answering the question that I've asked you.
-Um... -I did answer it.
-No, no, no. No, what I-- what I'm s... -I said no.
...what I'm saying is this-- is...
And I-I really-- I don't want to have
a confrontational conversation with you, 'cause I--
when I was reading the book, it felt like more
-of a conversation with you as a person. -Yes.
So, okay, let me-- let me ask it this way.
So, here you have a situation where,
in the book, you talk about how you were oftentimes
a voice of reason in the room.
You know, I have no reason to not believe that.
You talk about in the book how you said to Donald Trump,
"Hey, you lost the election, you have lost this election."
Well, what I actually said was...
We were talking about the December 14 deadline.
That was the date by which
the electors would certify the election.
-Right. -And they were about to certify it
-for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. -Mm-hmm.
And in the six weeks prior to that--
I had long left the White House--
but in the six weeks prior to that,
the president and his legal team were trying to find proof
of theft and fraud and malfeasance and shenanigans.
And I think there are many unanswered questions
from 2020 we'll never know.
But the main thing you said to him was?
But I said, "And you're coming up short.
"It looks like you're coming up short
for that certification date."
Other people, Trevor, then had the idea...
No, no. Wait, wait. Don't go to other people.
Wait, wait. Honestly, no, no, I mean...
No, no, to go to January 6 and do a different certification.
No, no. I'm not talking about January 6, though.
I'm saying, in this case.
This is what I'm saying is interesting,
is you said this in the book, right?
I'm talking about a now issue. You said this in the book.
Since the book came out, Donald Trump has come out on,
I think it was Truth Social, and he said,
"No, Kellyanne Conway is lying.
"She never said that to me, she never told me that I lost.
"And if she told me that,
I would have fired her on the spot."
So let's say, like, in that instance,
it's you, it's Donald Trump. So who's telling the truth?
He didn't use the words "liar" or "fire," but what he said was,
"I wouldn't have dealt with her anymore.
That's not a good criterion to deal with anyone."
"I wouldn't have dealt with her anymore," is...
-But, um, I told him... -(laughter)
Yeah. I told him that he came up short,
and it broke my heart. I wish he were still the president,
-because things were much better. -So you're saying...
So you're saying you did tell him? And so, he's...
-When he's saying you didn't... -I did tell him
-that he was coming up short for December 14. -Right.
But I'm saying... but this is what I mean, and this...
Then, other people had... well, no,
-I'm very candid and very honest. -No, no, no.
-Yeah, but... -And by the way, this is not one
of these tell-all and bore most.
I'm not speaking up now because I didn't speak up then.
-God knows I spoke up then. -You did indeed.
-But this is my memoir. It's 500 pages in there. -Yes.
-My life story, certainly time as campaign manager. -Yes.
Making history as the first female campaign manager.
Completely, and we're gonna get to that.
And senior counselor to the president and what that meant.
-Allow me to move through it step by step. -Please.
I promise you I'm gonna get to those parts.
What I'm asking you...
So, I think you've answered in this case.
So you're saying that is... the truth is that you told him?
And you said, broke your heart to tell him.
Look, Joe Biden's the president. I don't think everything was
completely fair and transparent.
No, no, no, no, I'm not asking about that.
But Joe Biden's the president, and I told him...
You see, you're doing the Kellyanne Conway.
You see, the people are right now with me.
The people who said to me, "She's gonna do the thing
to you." You're doing the thing to me right now.
That Joe Biden is the president?
No, I didn't ask you that question, though.
-Okay. -The question I asked you was, who's telling the truth.
That's honestly what I asked you.
I didn't ask you about who's president, who's not president.
I said, "Who's telling the truth?"
As in, you told one side of the story,
Donald Trump told another side of the story.
And what you're telling me is, you're saying
-his side of the story is not true. -I'm telling you
that I told him, before the December 14 deadline,
-that they were coming up short. -Right, which he disagrees with.
So maybe this is what I'm trying to say.
In this book, what I found particularly interesting is,
you've given us an insight into the Trump White House
and how it worked or how sometimes it didn't work.
You know, you've had some of the more scathing opinions
on people like Jared Kushner, for instance.
You don't mince your words in the book about Jared,
you know, or Steve Bannon, and, you know, it feels like
you felt like, at times they, you know,
got away with not being as good at the job
as you felt they should have been.
Well, I think if the president, your boss in a workplace,
-asks you to work together as a team... -Yeah.
-...you should try to do that. -Mm-hmm.
And this just happened to be the West Wing,
so it was very important that people be collaborative
and not confrontational. I felt that there... Not I felt...
There was a lot of undercutting, if not usurping
of other people's duties and responsibilities.
And there was a lot of gratuitously nasty stuff
going on, also, and it happened at the very beginning.
And here's someone, who, you know,
along with George, my husband, made a decision
to move to Washington, D.C., move our children there.
-He, too, took a big job in the Trump administration. -Mm-hmm.
We have that in common. And we're doing all this,
and I have people constantly knifing me,
constantly throwing logs in my path.
Now, I had two choices, and I think a lot of women
in the workplace will relate to this, Trevor.
I had two choices. I can sort of slink away
or cry under the desk and hope
the emotional shrapnel doesn't hit me,
or I can hold my head high and forge ahead
and try to be one small molecule
that's working for positive change.
Um, in the end, I mean, a lot of those guys got fired,
slinked away in shame,
-didn't last long. -That's true. That's true.
Um, and I think in many cases, my balls were bigger, and it...
-(laughter and applause) -In fact, actually...
Actually, to that question, to that point,
let's talk about the guns. So, this is a moment.
You were an advisor to the president.
This is what I find interesting.
One of my... strangest moments,
even during the show,
was when Donald Trump, President Donald Trump,
came out and he said--
there was a-- there was a mass shooting and he said,
"You know what we need to do?
We need to rage-- raise the age limit."
He said, "We need to ban assault rifles."
He need-- He said, "You Republicans who don't want
to do it, you're scared of the NRA."
He came out. He had all of these measures,
which I said-- Even on the show, I was like,
"This is amazing. This is fantastic."
Many were shocked.
But then we've learned recently
that there were-- there were some of his insiders
who convinced him-- I think, like,
Mick Mulvaney was one of them-- who said,
"Don't do it. You're gonna lose if you do it."
And Trump said, "I don't care. We need to do this."
And he got convinced out of it.
Now, I-I would love to know, from your perspective,
how did his team convince him out of something when--
I mean, this was the man who-- Everyone said, "Don't--
You can't build a wall." He said, "I'm gonna go
-and build this wall." You know? -Right.
"You can't ban Muslims." He's like, "I'm gonna find a way
to do it." How did they convince him--
What do we not know about the gun lobby and the gun world,
that they managed to push Donald Trump away
-from his initial position? -Well, respectfully,
the premise is flawed. Because I was in those conversations,
and he did talk about different measures.
But they didn't come to the... they didn't come to the Senate.
They didn't come... They didn't reach his desk.
A president has to sign into law things
that the United States Congress has the guts to put there.
And they did not... Now, I want... I also want to say this.
-That's not always true, though. -I was there,
um, for Parkland. I was there after the Parkland,
-Valentine's Day 2018 murder. -Mm-hmm. And by the way,
I'm not blaming Trump, by the way. I'm just asking.
No, no. And I want to answer you.
I'm asking how he got shifted from his position.
And then I flew with him to Santa Fe, Texas
-when there was a shooting there. -Yeah.
Eight children were killed, eight high schoolers
and two teachers there, and what I learned the entire time
is that people are very quick
to say it's this problem, it's that problem.
It's actually a spectrum.
-You know, it's never one thing that causes it. -Completely.
And it's never one thing that can solve it.
Right, but then, nothing gets done.
So, nothing has gotten done, and again, if you've got
a president that's been there 50 years, I hope he will 'cause
-he can say... -Wait. Joe Biden hasn't been there for 50 years.
No, no, I hope he can. I know.
-I know you're probably booing him. -But, no.
-But no, no, no. Donald Trump was there. -I don't blame you.
Yeah. He does stink. All the polls say it.
No, this is what I'm... I'm saying...
I'm saying to you as an advisor, like, and I mean this honestly,
-as a person... -'Cause you're playing Kellyanne Conway.
Like, you're not even a fan of the semicolon tonight.
-No, no, no, no. -I'm just listening.
What-what I'm saying to you is in the position that
you are in-- and the position that you may find yourself
in again, because you-you do have the ear of many
powerful Republicans, you do have, you know, you're in
the rare position of speaking to Donald Trump and Mike Pence
right now. You're one of the few people
who is the connective tissue of many parts
of the Republican party, both the old and the new, and so,
Maybe I would ask you then-- as an advisor now-- what are
some of the common sense ideas that you think could be passed?
'Cause I think these are moments that shouldn't be
Republican and Democrat, these are just children.
Do you get what I'm saying?
You just said the most important word here.
I know people talk about guns and mental health
and hardening the targets. I'm thinking through
the vantage point of the children,
and we should just start there on all of these matters,
and I learned that in listening to the Parkland families.
I learned that after the Dayton shooter
had his juvenile records were kept private,
in other words his privacy versus the security
of other people. I learned that when we looked at Parkland
and you saw the FBI had visited many times
and nobody ever did anything.
These, um, people, these madmen, these moral depravities,
evil people-- they usually broadcast their intention.
They're bragging about "I want to be a school shooter,
look at me." And so we should take that seriously.
I mean, here, they say,
"If you see something, say something."
They mean a backpack in the subway.
I think the people who are around these folks
and are afraid of them
and believe that they could do...
should feel free to go to the authority
under cover of privacy.
Go to the authorities and report that.
Here's what I think should happen with the children.
You know, Trevor, if we just acted with the same gusto
to protect our children from violence in the schools
that we did to protect them from the virus,
which we should have done...
Uh, we now have $112 billion
in last year's American Rescue Plan
in-in post-pandemic money for, um, for the schools.
92% of it, according to the Wall Street Journal last week,
is unspent. Why?
Well, because they already did the ventilation.
They already did the stickers. We already did the masks.
Now we're moving on to...
It's earmarked for mental health.
It's earmarked for more teachers and counselors.
It's earmarked for lost learning.
And we should be spending that money.
It's $7 billion just here in New York City,
the largest school district in the country,
and it's not spent yet because it expires in September 2024.
They're trying to figure out how to do it.
Let's take that money. It's already been passed
and approved by the president.
Let's take that money and shift it over
to keeping our kids safe in these schools. My goodness,
-we keep athletes safe. -So, nothing on the side of guns?
-Politicians safe. -No, I'm saying nothing on the side
-of guns themselves? -No. No, of course not.
19 states have red flag laws.
These states have taken action where Washington has not.
In fact, the state of Florida,
with a Republican state legislator,
Republican Governor Rick Scott,
um, passed red flag laws after Parkland, Florida.
So it is possible, as people are saying,
"Do something, say something," to do something.
And I don't know what's going to happen in Congress.
I'd like to feel more hopeful
that people will come to their senses
and think about how to keep these kids safe,
because it should not be an occupational hazard
for any child, um, to go to school
and to fear for their lives, obviously, or their safety.
But there are so many signs along the way,
and people should feel free...
Instead of judging everybody's social media posts
and-and calling everybody names and canceling people,
why don't we say,
"That person's slinging an AR-15 online,
"saying he aspires to be a school shooter.
"Half the class is afraid of him.
why don't we do something about that."
So, I think it's all that. And I-I was disappointed
to hear Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut,
um, say last week,
"Don't give me that bullshit about mental health.
"Uh, we don't have any more mental health problems
than other countries." Excuse me.
It is a big problem here. Maybe in other countries, too.
But we have to look at that.
We have to start investing in that.
Um, so, yes, I believe in the case of Buffalo,
there was a red flag should have been triggered,
and the authorities did not do anything about it.
The Buffalo shooter.
Um, here in Uvalde,
this-this, um, murderer,
who just recently turned 18, I believe,
there were warning signs, and people were afraid of him,
and they said he would, you know, torture cats
and brag about, "I'm going to rape you.
I'm going to be a school shooter."
I think you have to take people like that seriously
and not just look the other way.
So, there is a whole spectrum of solutions
-that we should look at. -So, if I hear
what you're saying correctly, in that situation,
which I would agree with,
is what you're saying is if you look at these red flags,
if you look at these moments ahead of time,
you can find reasons to restrict people
from gaining access to guns because you're saying
we see that this is not conducive to society being safe.
Right. Not everybody should have it,
because if you're operating a machine...
-It's just like having a... -No, that we can agree on.
I didn't think we'd have an agreement on the show.
-Any other... -I didn't.
-This is fantastic. -We agree on many things, believe...
-I listen to you, and... -This is, uh...
And, look, I... This country... I write in my book at the end...
The-the, uh, the publisher, Simon & Schuster,
the head there asked me, "Can you dig a little bit deeper
and try to unify the country?" Like, sure, that sounds easy.
And I did try. And one thing I said,
I think, is incredibly important for us all to realize
is that, sure, we can talk about bipartisanship.
We can talk about finding common ground.
I always think that's valuable.
But we also need to realize
that not everybody in this country
wants to wear the red or blue uniform 24-7, 365.
We don't want politics in every conversation,
collaboration, consideration. Every meal.
Every conversation, um, at your place of worship
or your place of work and the kids' playground.
You have... We have much more in common
in this beautiful country filled with amazing people
than people realize, but these cultural cleavages
are very real, and we have to... we have to confront that,
and we have to, I think, deal with it.
And, look, if Donald Trump wants to be president again, it's...
The simplest path is not to look backward.
It's to run against Joe Biden.
He can have a cage match rematch,
and I think people will pay attention to that.
-(laughter) -That's what he wants to do.
That's-that's the smoothest, easiest path...
That's the smoothest, easiest path
if he really want to do that.
But, um, but we have to also respect
that the growing number of people in this country,
they are upset with what's going on in Washington.
They feel excluded from the process,
-excluded from the system. -Can I tell you what I think
happens in America that's particularly interesting
is America is one of the few countries I've lived in
where politicians complain
about politics being a tool
that should be used to change a country
when they are in the position of changing the country.
-They're in there. They love it. -Using their politics.
-That's right. Yes. Yes. -It's... It's been great
having you on the show. I could chat to you for hours.
Unfortunately, we have the time that we have.
Thank you very much for having me, sir.
Thank you so much for joining me. Not many people would.
Kellyanne's memoir Here's the Deal
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We'll be right back after this.
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My family and I were with President Trump,
and even not liking germs,
President Trump
shared a bowl of popcorn
with my 14-year-old son.
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