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Tonight,
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Ukraine borrows some missiles,
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Senator Chris Murphy,
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All right, we got a really great
show for you tonight.
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We'll be talking about
the battle to steal Ukraine.
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We're gonna be talking
about the battle
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to steal the next election
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and the battle
to steal Star Wars back
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from Black people.
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Plus, Senator Chris Murphy
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is joining us
from Hartford, Connecticut,
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to tell us which Republicans
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are finally getting on board
with gun control.
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So, let's do this, people.
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Let's jump straight
into today's headlines.
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Okay. Let's kick things off
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with the ongoing Russian war
with Ukraine.
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Or, as the Russian media says,
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"There is no war,
but we're also winning it."
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Ever since
Vladimir Putin decided
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to aggressively crash on
his neighboring country's couch,
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Ukraine has been asking America
for bigger and better weapons
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to help them defend themselves.
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Now, usually,
when you ask America
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to send you weapons,
they'll send them quicker
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than a restaurant that precooks
the food in the morning
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and then just reheats it
when you order it at night,
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but because America
and the rest of the world
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is terrified of starting
World War III-- rightfully so--
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they've had to find ways
to support Ukraine
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without being accused
of attacking Russia.
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And so just today,
President Biden announced this.
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NEWSMAN: This morning,
President Biden has announced
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the U.S. will send another
$700 million worth of weapons,
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defense systems
to the Ukrainian military.
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Among
the newly provided weaponry
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is the Multiple Launch
Rocket System,
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uh, which is a highly capable
long-range system.
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NEWSMAN 2: This has been
the subject of debate
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inside the Biden administration
for weeks now,
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whether or not
to provide Ukraine
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with these more advanced,
longer range weapons systems.
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Concerns, uh,
within the administration
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that Russia might view this
as a provocative step,
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giving Ukraine the ability
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to strike
within Russian territory.
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That's why the United States
actually sought assurances
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and secured those assurances
from Ukraine
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that they would not use
these ro... these rocket systems
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to strike Russian targets
on Russian territory.
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Yeah, that's right.
Biden made Ukraine promise
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that they will only use
the rockets
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in Ukrainian territory.
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They will not use them
in Russia.
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Yeah. So, he's basically
giving them advanced rockets
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like a dad gives his teenager
a credit card.
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Just like, "Now,
remember what I told you.
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"This is only for gas, groceries
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"and the strip club.
No textbooks this time.
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I don't want to see
that charge again."
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But this is major help, though.
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$700 million.
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That's a ton of rockets.
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Or maybe it's, like,
ten rockets.
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I never know with military
equipment. Like... (laughs)
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No, you-you never know how much
anything costs, you know?
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It's like when someone tells me
they spent $100 at Sephora.
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I have no idea if that's,
like, one face cream
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or enough eye glitter
for a whole season of Euphoria.
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I don't know how much it is.
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And look, I get that America
is trying to find the balance
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between helping Ukraine
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and triggering its own war
with Russia,
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but still, this is putting
Ukraine in a tough spot.
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Because who knows how easy
these missiles are to use.
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You know, I don't want us
to be in World War III
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just because
some Ukrainian soldier
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entered the distance
in kilometers
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when it was supposed to be in
miles, you know what I'm saying?
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It was like, "Oh, 1.6?
I meant to put..."
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(yells)
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But I will say, this is good for
Ukraine to defend themselves.
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And this is good
for Russia to know
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they can't just push
other countries around.
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You know who this is
most exciting for?
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American missiles. Yeah.
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What a different experience
this is gonna be for them.
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I'm so excited.
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Oh, I'm so excited to be going
overseas for the first time.
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And the best part is
I've been invited.
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Wow.
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Because my dad went to Iraq,
but he wasn't invited.
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And my grandfather,
he went to Vietnam,
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and, boy,
did they not want him there.
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But look at me--
I got invited to Ukraine!
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♪ I'm a missile
going to Ukraine ♪
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♪ They invited me ♪
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♪ I'm a good missile
in my family! ♪
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My new one-man show,
Missile in Ukraine,
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will be debuting next week.
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-You guys can join in. Make sure
to watch it. -(cheering)
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All right, let's move on.
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Disney released
a new Star Wars show
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on their streaming platform
Disney+,
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which I've heard is good
but not as good as Paramount+.
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Now, this Star Wars show
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is not the one
about the Mandalorian
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and it's not the one
about Boba Fett.
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No, this one is
about Obi-Wan Kenobi,
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the galaxy's most powerful hobo.
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And anyone can see
where this is going. Right?
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It's just, like,
show after show on Disney.
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You see what they're doing.
You get it.
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Their plan is to release a show
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about every character
in Star Wars.
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It's genius.
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Make a ton of money.
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Personally, I can't wait
for the Jabba the Hutt sitcom.
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(chuckling)
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What?
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I know she broke your heart,
Jabba,
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but you got
to start dating again!
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(speaking Huttese)
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Dude, chaining her up
and putting her in a gold bikini
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doesn't count as a date, silly!
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-(laughing)
-(canned laughter)
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♪ ♪
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(cheering and applause)
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That show's also premiering
next week.
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Anyway,
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the Obi-Wan Kenobi show
is introducing
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a lot of new characters
to the Star Wars franchise,
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but there is one character
in particular
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who isn't getting the
warmest welcome from the fans.
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NEWSWOMAN: This morning,
Obi-Wan Kenobi himself
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-putting his force behind costar
Moses Ingram... -Where is he?
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...after social media users
launched racist attacks
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against her after her debut
in the Jedi Knight's new series.
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She brings so much
to the series.
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She bring so much
to the franchise.
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And it just sickened me
to my stomach to hear
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that this had been happening.
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We stand with Moses.
We love Moses.
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And if you're sending her
bullying messages,
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you're no Star Wars fan
in my mind.
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NEWSWOMAN: Moses sharing
she had received hundreds
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of racist messages
following the series premiere.
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There's nothing anybody can do
to stop this hate.
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I think the thing
that bothers me
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is that, like...
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sort of this feeling
that I've had inside of myself,
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which no one has told me,
but this feeling of, like,
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I just got to shut up
and take it.
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And I'm not built like that.
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Neither should you be. No one
should have to just shut up
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and take racism.
I agree with that.
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Especially in Star Wars.
Guys, like, what is this?
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What is this?
You're racist in Star...
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Like, from the very beginning,
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this has been a series
where no one thinks twice
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if Harrison Ford is best friends
with a giant dog bear
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or if a brother and sister
want to smash.
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No one complains about that.
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They're not getting
death threats.
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I'm so tired of fans attacking
Black people in Star Wars,
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when there are
so many other races and species
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they could be bag--
bigoted against.
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Think about it.
You could hate everyone,
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Go on a rant about
the creepy Twi'leks, you know?
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Or the greedy Jawas.
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There are so many more
opportunities for racism
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than just Black people.
Mix it up.
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Broaden your horizons.
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You know? Or as the Ewoks say...
(speaks Ewokese)
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You know?
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Got to think bigger.
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It really is.
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-Just... get out there.
-(applause and cheering)
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And you know, it's really great
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that Ewan McGregor made a video
supporting his costar,
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but I think Star Wars needs
to come back even harder
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at the racists,
really make them suffer.
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They should give Princess Leia
a new, Black boyfriend.
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-Yeah. That's right.
-MAN: Yeah!
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-(applause and cheering)
-Going to be a dope scene.
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She's going to come back in,
and he'll be like,
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"Hey, yo, Leia, I got the plans
for the Death Star.
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We're going to (bleep) tonight."
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(laughter)
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All right, finally,
let's talk about families.
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You know, one of the best parts
about having a family is
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that you have people
to blame in therapy
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-for why you haven't succeeded
in life. -(laughter)
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And also, you have people
who will continue your lineage,
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deep into the plastic-bag,
global-warming apocalypse.
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Now, there are few cultures
who take family more seriously
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than Indian people,
but as this next story shows,
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some of them might be taking it
a little too seriously.
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All right,
let's take a quick peek
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at what's trending right now.
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An unusual lawsuit in India.
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Parents are suing their only son
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for not giving them
a grandchild.
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Sanjeev and Sadhana Prasad say
that they've done their part.
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They paid for their son's
pilot training,
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a lavish wedding
and even a honeymoon.
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And they say that they've waited
six years for a grandchild,
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and now they have filed
a lawsuit saying
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that
if their son and daughter-in-law
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don't give them a grandchild
within a year,
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they owe the parents
$50 million rupees,
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which is equivalent to $675,000.
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-Damn!
-(laughter)
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Damn, this is wild!
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They're suing their son for
not giving them a grandchild.
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Being parents is so weird.
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You spend the first 18 years
doing everything you can
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-to stop your kids
from having sex. -(laughter)
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And then,
as soon as they grow up,
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you turn into frat bros.
"Yo, you got to get laid, dude!
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"And don't use a condom, either.
That shit's for losers.
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Just do it. Do it now."
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(applause and cheering)
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As weird as it is,
part of me sees
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where these parents
are come from, though.
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I mean, the only reason
you have kids is so
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that you can get grandchildren.
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Yeah, let's be honest.
Nobody wants to be a parent.
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You know?
It's just what you have to do
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to become a grandparent.
The name is in it.
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It's "grand." It's better.
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And also, grandkids
and grandparents--
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they're on the same page.
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Of course, grandparents want
to be grandparents, you know?
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They're the same thing.
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They both love telling long
and pointless stories.
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They have so many
of the same life experiences.
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It's just like, "Hey, Grandpa,
I walked-ded in the park,
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and I saw a puppy,
and I pooped-ded in my pants."
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Just like, "Wow!
Same here, kiddo."
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(laughter)
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But look, if these parents
really want grandkids,
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I don't know
if a lawsuit is really going
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to help make that happen,
especially with, like, a year.
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You've given them a year.
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You realize every time now
their son has sex,
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-he's thinking about
his parents. -(laughter)
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"They did this, not me."
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And that lawsuit is definitely
going to help his dirty talk.
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Can you imagine?
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This poor Indian guy is going
to be in his bedroom.
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He's just like, "Do you
like that? Do you like that?
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"You like the way
I'm trying to avoid
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"paying $675,000 to my parents?
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This is a 50 million pump
right here. 50 million rupee!"
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(speaking foreign language)
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(applause and cheering)
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Why would you do that?
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All right, that's it for
the headlines, but before we go,
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let's check in on traffic
with our very own
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-Roy Wood, Jr., everybody!
-(applause and cheering)
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Yeah. What's up, man?
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How you been, bro?
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-What's going on, Roy? -Ah,
I'm great, man. I'm chilling.
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What is happening
in the traffic, man?
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Hey, man, you know
I'm like a pigeon at the bakery,
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-just trying to get his bread
up. It is what it is. -Okay.
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A quick look at the roads.
Now, as you can see,
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the northbound 770 starting
to clear up.
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We had a little bit of
disruption a little bit earlier.
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A tractor trailer overturned.
Some onlooker delays.
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-Wait, wait, R-Roy.
-Uh...
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You're actually doing
the traffic.
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Yeah, yeah. I've...
been going to therapy, man,
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and I figured, like...
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She told me to be
a vessel of positivity
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-to people within my circle,
and... -This is amazing.
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and then karma would be
reciprocal. So, you know,
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I've come out here before
and we go back and forth,
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-and I don't want that... -Yeah,
because you never want to do--
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I say "Do the traffic,"
and then you're like, "Nah,
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-I don't want to do the traffic.
(grumbles)" -Yeah, and I just--
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And then you're like-- Then
you want to talk about, like,
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the things I'm talking about.
But this is great. You're doing
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-that now. -Yeah, I'm gonna
just do this job.
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-This is 'cause of therapy?
-Yeah. That's...
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My man. Look at--
This is growth.
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-Real quick... -But I'm glad
you're not jumping in...
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Let's... What's the traffic?
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About Ukraine, real quick,
let me just say something.
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Just-just real quick about
Ukraine, the Russian thing,
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like, I know we're sending
Ukraine the-the weapons
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and we're sending money,
but the issue, bro, is that
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that ain't
what the Russians respect.
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We got to get their respect.
We got to get the respect
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of the Russians, and
the only thing-- some people
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only respect crazy,
so you got to be crazy.
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It ain't enough
just to send 'em a rocket.
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The United States got
to go over there and just
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buck a couple shots in
the air just to let 'em know
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what we could do if we wanted
to. Just, "bop, bop, bop!"
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Just a couple, just shoot
a couple rockets, missiles
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in the air
and then they be like,
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"A'ight, they crazy,
let's leave."
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'Cause that's-that's
how you handle stuff
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in the streets, man.
You put your ten toes
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on the ground and you go
"bop, bop!" That's what you do
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-in the streets. -I-I'm sorry,
what-what streets are these
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-that you're talking about?
-Like North Korea.
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Like, North Korea, right?
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What the--
Don't do that with me.
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Does anybody
ran up on North Korea?
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Ain't nobody ran up
on North Korea.
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-Nobody ran up on North Korea.
-Know why? 'Cause every two,
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three months, North Korea go...
(imitates rocket)
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"Pop, pop, pop!"
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They shoot a rocket
up in the air for no reason.
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And that's what you got to do,
dawg. That's the streets, man.
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It's like Boyz n the Hood.
Did you ever see
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-Boyz n the Hood?
-Y-Yeah, I did.
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That's what
the Russian-Ukraine--
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that's what the United States
got to be. We got to be like
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Ice Cube. Like, uh, you
remember Boyz n the Hood,
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Ricky got bumped into by the
gangbangers, and the gangbangers
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are getting ready to beat up
Ricky, and then Ice Cube
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stepped up, was like,
"We got a problem here?
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We got a problem here?"
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That's what America-- but it'd
be a missile. It'd be a missile
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right here and all. "You-you got
a problem. What you gonna do?"
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And Russia'd be like,
"A'ight, let's go on back
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and drink some vodka."
That's how everything'd went.
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That's a-that's a novel way
to solve-- All right, so, so,
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so, what's happening in the, uh,
in the traffic there, Roy?
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Them kids should
countersue they parents.
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-They-- I'm gonna get to that.
But they should count-- -Okay.
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'Cause-'cause how you gonna
sue me for not having a kid?
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I should be able to-- If you can
sue me for not having a kid,
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I should be able to sue you
for having a kid.
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I didn't consent
to being conceived.
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Therefore I want some money.
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I just don't think that's right.
And that-that behavior
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from them parents anyway--
that come from parents
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who ain't scared of they kids.
You-you-- At a certain point,
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your parents
supposed to be scared of you.
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-You the child--
-Your parents?
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-Yeah. You-- -Your parents are
supposed to be scared of you?
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Yeah, you stronger, you faster,
your parents
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can't be behaving like that.
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That's why every time I go back
to Alabama, I go home,
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visit my mama, I turn on one
of them murder forensic shows
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where they kill the parents,
and then I just look at her.
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Just to let her know
I got some ideas up in there.
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Gonna scold me
into having a child.
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You gonna scold me
into having a child?
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Scolding don't work.
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Everybody know that
scolding don't work.
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It's like in Boyz n the Hood--
you see Boyz n the Hood?
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When Doughboy's mama
scolded him, she said,
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"Don't you go to that store
and go stealing some stuff,"
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and what'd Doughboy do? End
up dead two weeks after Ricky.
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We-we got enough time left?
Do we even have any time?
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No, we-we don't, we don't.
We had the time, and then,
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I mean, we basically watched
Boyz n the Hood.
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-So, uh--
-But-but--
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But, uh, you know what,
I'm glad-I'm glad you've been
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going to therapy,
that's been helping.
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-Roy Wood Jr., everybody. Thank
you. -Yeah, it's been good.
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-(cheering, applause)
-I appreciate it.
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All right, when we come back,
Senator Chris Murphy
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is joining us on the show.
You don't want to miss it.
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(cheering, applause)
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(cheering and applause)
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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My first guest
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is Senator Chris Murphy
of Connecticut.
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He represented Newtown
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when the Sandy Hook
Elementary School massacre
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occurred a decade ago,
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and following
the devastating school shooting
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in Uvalde, Texas,
he begged his colleagues to act.
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Why do you go through
all the hassle
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of getting this job,
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of putting yourself
in a position of authority,
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if your answer is that
as the slaughter increases,
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as our kids run for their lives,
we do nothing?
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What are we doing?
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Why are you here...
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...if not to solve a problem
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as existential as this?
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Joining us live now
from Hartford, Connecticut,
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please welcome Senator
Chris Murphy to The Daily Show.
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(cheering and applause)
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Senator Murphy.
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It...
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It must feel at some point,
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uh, like you-you are, you know,
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going up
against an immovable force.
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00:17:02,288 --> 00:17:03,489
It must feel at some point
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like you are engaging
in a conversation
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that seems to go
around and around in circles.
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But it seems
like in and around this time,
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there is some movement.
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There are some Republicans
who have said,
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"You know what? Maybe there is
something we should be doing
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even if it is not
the perfect solution."
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Let's-let's
jump straight into that
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and talk about what you've seen
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in terms of a bipartisan move
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to change what gun safety
should be in America.
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Well, Trevor,
thanks for having me on.
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And i-it does feel, um, often
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like déjà vu repeating itself.
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Uh, ten years I've been at this.
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Um, the American public
has made up their mind.
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There's nothing in this country
that's as popular
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as changing the gun laws
to make our kids safer.
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90% of Americans support things
like making sure
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that everybody has to go through
a background check
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before they buy a gun.
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00:17:50,636 --> 00:17:52,605
Um, but we run up
against this brick wall,
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which is the power
of the gun industry
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and the gun lobby.
But you're right.
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It does feel different
this time.
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Um, I just got off the phone,
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off a Zoom call,
with, um, about, uh,
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t-ten or 12 Republicans
and Democrats
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that are trying to pass
something that will save lives--
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not do everything
but try to break this logjam.
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And I think it's because of the,
you know,
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very unique, cataclysmic nature
of this last mass shooting
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but also because,
over the last ten years,
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you know, we've built
an anti-gun violence movement
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that is powerful,
that has just as many members
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and just as much money as
the NRA and the gun lobby has,
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and that has started
to have an impact.
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So I don't know
whether this is gonna succeed.
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I-I've been, you know,
Charlie Brown kicking a football
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that gets pulled out from under
me, uh, over and over again
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enough times to know that maybe
this won't turn out differently.
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But, um, I owe it to the,
uh, families in Texas,
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the families in my state,
in Sandy Hook, to give it a try.
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What seems to be the holdup?
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What are some
of the internal conversations
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that you're having?
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Y-You know, without betraying
anybody's trust,
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what are the sticking points?
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Because if-if so many Americans,
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if such a large percentage
is in support
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of many
of these commonsense measures,
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why then do
their representatives
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not seem able
to put those things into effect?
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Well, right now,
this is a problem
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only inside
the Republican Party.
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Every single Democrat
in the Senate
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would support things
like expanded background checks.
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And-and the reason that it's a
problem in the Republican Party
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is that, um, to win
a Republican primary today,
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a lot of my colleagues think
that you need
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the endorsement
of the, uh, gun lobby.
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Uh, not-not just because
of the money
482
00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:32,705
that comes from groups
like the NRA
483
00:19:32,805 --> 00:19:35,174
but because, um, you know,
associating yourself
484
00:19:35,274 --> 00:19:37,910
with the gun industry
has become kind of a proxy
485
00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:40,846
for a broader set
of conservative values.
486
00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:43,249
And so we got to solve
that problem for Republicans.
487
00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:45,518
We got to find another way
for them to demonstrate
488
00:19:45,551 --> 00:19:48,554
how conservative they are
without having to do the bidding
489
00:19:48,654 --> 00:19:50,756
of a-- of an industry
that is supported
490
00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,625
by only 10%
of their constituents.
491
00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:54,360
But that's starting to change,
492
00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:56,629
because now a lot of Republicans
are starting to see
493
00:19:56,729 --> 00:19:59,098
that they vote for things,
um, you know,
494
00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:02,802
like restrictions on,
um, uh, a-assault weapons,
495
00:20:02,902 --> 00:20:04,236
they actually will be rewarded
496
00:20:04,337 --> 00:20:06,372
by larger numbers
of their constituents
497
00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:08,207
than ever before
that support these things.
498
00:20:08,307 --> 00:20:10,743
So I-I think
the political calculations
499
00:20:10,843 --> 00:20:13,479
of some of my colleagues
are beginning to change.
500
00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:14,547
But it's slow.
501
00:20:14,647 --> 00:20:16,349
You know, for decades,
they were told
502
00:20:16,482 --> 00:20:19,485
you can never, ever beat
the gun lobby in an election.
503
00:20:19,518 --> 00:20:21,487
That's not true anymore,
but it takes a little while
504
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,788
for that lesson to be learned.
505
00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:24,357
Let's talk about some
of the concrete steps then
506
00:20:24,490 --> 00:20:25,791
you're looking to take.
507
00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:28,694
You know, every mass shooting
in America is followed
508
00:20:28,794 --> 00:20:30,496
very promptly by people saying,
509
00:20:30,563 --> 00:20:33,165
"This wouldn't be solved
by that solution."
510
00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:34,934
"This solution wouldn't solve
that problem."
511
00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:36,502
And it becomes a chicken
and the egg scenario
512
00:20:36,602 --> 00:20:38,204
that never seems to end.
513
00:20:38,304 --> 00:20:40,273
What are some of the concrete
measures that you can take now
514
00:20:40,373 --> 00:20:42,575
to change some of the gun laws
in America
515
00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:45,645
to make the country safer,
at least, if not perfect?
516
00:20:45,745 --> 00:20:48,314
Yeah, and I think it's really
important to remember
517
00:20:48,447 --> 00:20:51,217
that there's a mass slaughter in
this country every single day.
518
00:20:51,317 --> 00:20:52,718
I get it. There's good reason
519
00:20:52,818 --> 00:20:54,954
why this country
pays more attention
520
00:20:55,054 --> 00:20:58,057
after a catastrophe like Uvalde.
521
00:20:58,157 --> 00:21:02,061
But there's 110, 120 people
every single day
522
00:21:02,161 --> 00:21:03,863
who die from guns,
and, in fact, since Uvalde,
523
00:21:03,963 --> 00:21:07,300
there's been 18 mass shootings
in the United States.
524
00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:10,503
Now it was four people,
ten people, 12 people,
525
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:11,871
not enough to get the headlines,
526
00:21:11,971 --> 00:21:13,873
but there's a crisis
every single day.
527
00:21:13,973 --> 00:21:15,541
What are we talking about?
Red flag laws.
528
00:21:15,641 --> 00:21:18,711
These are the laws
that allow you to take guns away
529
00:21:18,811 --> 00:21:22,148
temporarily from kids
like this guy in Uvalde,
530
00:21:22,248 --> 00:21:26,352
who was showing signs
of doing something disastrous.
531
00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:27,753
We're talking
about strengthening
532
00:21:27,853 --> 00:21:28,988
our background check system.
533
00:21:29,088 --> 00:21:30,389
We're not going
to get all the way
534
00:21:30,489 --> 00:21:31,857
to universal background checks,
but making sure
535
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,961
that more gun sales come
with these background checks.
536
00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:37,997
We're talking about money
537
00:21:38,097 --> 00:21:40,666
for community
anti-violence initiatives.
538
00:21:40,766 --> 00:21:42,969
Trying to wrap services
around at-risk kids,
539
00:21:43,069 --> 00:21:45,605
especially in our cities, um,
540
00:21:45,705 --> 00:21:48,140
where poverty often leads
to violence.
541
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,977
That could make a big impact,
as well.
542
00:21:51,077 --> 00:21:52,445
So it's not everything I want,
543
00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:54,880
but it would be
the most significant set
544
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:57,216
of gun reforms,
in really, 30 years,
545
00:21:57,316 --> 00:21:59,852
and we're closer than ever
to getting it done.
546
00:21:59,952 --> 00:22:03,289
There are many people
who voted for Democrats
547
00:22:03,456 --> 00:22:05,258
who I think would
sometimes look enviously
548
00:22:05,358 --> 00:22:07,460
at what Republicans
are able to do
549
00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:10,062
despite, you know,
their setbacks.
550
00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:12,331
You know, we've seen what
Mitch McConnell has been able
551
00:22:12,465 --> 00:22:13,866
to do with the Supreme Court.
552
00:22:13,966 --> 00:22:15,901
We've seen what Republicans
have been able to do
553
00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:18,671
with abortion and restricting it
around the country.
554
00:22:18,771 --> 00:22:22,675
Um, do you ever consider
these options?
555
00:22:22,775 --> 00:22:24,176
Do you ever think to yourself,
556
00:22:24,277 --> 00:22:26,312
"Oh, man, we should also
be looking at ways
557
00:22:26,479 --> 00:22:28,180
"to use the tools
and the mechanisms
558
00:22:28,281 --> 00:22:30,683
that are present to us in
America to get something done?"
559
00:22:30,783 --> 00:22:34,153
Or is there a reason that
you don't take that approach?
560
00:22:35,488 --> 00:22:38,491
Well, right now, we have
a majority in the House
561
00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:42,495
and the Senate that support
expanding background checks
562
00:22:42,595 --> 00:22:45,698
to every gun sale, which would
probably save the most lives.
563
00:22:45,798 --> 00:22:47,199
We have a president
who will sign that bill.
564
00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:49,769
The problem is the rules
of the Senate right now
565
00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:52,772
require you to get 60 votes,
not 50 votes
566
00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:55,141
in order to pass
a-a bill like that.
567
00:22:55,241 --> 00:22:56,842
So, for the American people,
it's frustrating, right,
568
00:22:56,943 --> 00:22:59,278
because they did their job.
They put majorities
569
00:22:59,445 --> 00:23:01,681
in the House, the Senate,
a president in the White House
570
00:23:01,781 --> 00:23:05,117
who support what they support--
expanded, uh, protections
571
00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:06,886
when it comes to
our nation's kids
572
00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:08,521
and the safety
of our communities.
573
00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:10,523
But the rules of the Senate
stand in the way.
574
00:23:10,623 --> 00:23:12,959
Now, when Mitch McConnell
wanted to get conservatives
575
00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:16,529
on the Supreme Court
to outlaw abortion,
576
00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:19,699
he changed the rules
of the Senate. But right now,
577
00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,234
we are a few votes shy,
in the Democratic caucus,
578
00:23:22,335 --> 00:23:24,570
of changing the rules
now that we're in charge.
579
00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:28,341
So, yes, I-I don't think
we should deliberately
580
00:23:28,474 --> 00:23:30,743
adopt the policies
of Mitch McConnell,
581
00:23:30,843 --> 00:23:33,679
but I do think that when
we have power, um, you know,
582
00:23:33,779 --> 00:23:35,915
when the voters
have given us power,
583
00:23:36,015 --> 00:23:38,484
we should listen to them, um,
584
00:23:38,517 --> 00:23:40,519
and do what the majority
of Americans want us to do.
585
00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:43,856
Well, I'm sure most Americans
would hope-- in fact, all--
586
00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:45,391
that you're not Charlie Brown
this time, the ball
587
00:23:45,491 --> 00:23:47,159
doesn't get taken away, and
something actually gets done.
588
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:48,594
Thank you so much
for taking the time to join us
589
00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:50,129
and, uh, we hope
to see you again.
590
00:23:50,229 --> 00:23:52,598
-Thanks.
-We'll be right back.
591
00:23:52,698 --> 00:23:54,734
(cheering, applause)
592
00:24:03,229 --> 00:24:05,264
(cheering and applause)
593
00:24:07,633 --> 00:24:10,269
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
My next guest tonight
594
00:24:10,369 --> 00:24:11,670
is an award-winning,
best-selling author.
595
00:24:11,771 --> 00:24:13,139
They're here to talk
about their novel,
596
00:24:13,239 --> 00:24:15,574
You Made a Fool of Death
with Your Beauty,
597
00:24:15,674 --> 00:24:17,643
and their memoir,
Dear Senthuran,
598
00:24:17,743 --> 00:24:20,212
which will be available soon
in paperback.
599
00:24:20,312 --> 00:24:22,748
Please welcome Akwaeke Emezi.
600
00:24:22,848 --> 00:24:24,884
-♪ ♪
-(cheering and applause)
601
00:24:26,318 --> 00:24:28,687
(laughs)
602
00:24:33,993 --> 00:24:36,228
Akwaeke Emezi,
welcome to The Daily Show.
603
00:24:36,328 --> 00:24:37,430
Thank you for having me.
604
00:24:37,530 --> 00:24:38,964
It...
I feel like I've met you before.
605
00:24:39,064 --> 00:24:40,166
-(laughs)
-It's so weird.
606
00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:41,634
We have, like,
this energy between us.
607
00:24:41,734 --> 00:24:43,602
It's, uh, it's...
There's something about it.
608
00:24:43,702 --> 00:24:46,672
Um, I shouldn't just welcome you
to The Daily Show.
609
00:24:46,772 --> 00:24:48,073
I should also say
congratulations
610
00:24:48,174 --> 00:24:51,210
on being not just one
of the most prolific writers
611
00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:53,913
but one of the most celebrated
prolific writers.
612
00:24:54,013 --> 00:24:57,349
You have written four books
in-in how many years now?
613
00:24:57,450 --> 00:24:59,251
Seven books in four years,
actually.
614
00:24:59,351 --> 00:25:02,054
-All right. You see?
I was counting four. -(laughs)
615
00:25:02,154 --> 00:25:04,957
'Cause I knew in the pan...
How many in the pandemic alone?
616
00:25:05,057 --> 00:25:06,358
In the pandemic,
about four, yes.
617
00:25:06,459 --> 00:25:07,693
-In the pandemic,
it was four, yeah. -Yes.
618
00:25:07,793 --> 00:25:08,994
'Cause I remember going like...
I-I've, like,
619
00:25:09,095 --> 00:25:11,063
looked at everyone
who worked in the pandemic
620
00:25:11,163 --> 00:25:12,798
and how much work they did,
and it was four books
621
00:25:12,898 --> 00:25:14,333
just in the pandemic.
622
00:25:14,366 --> 00:25:15,468
-Yep, that's accurate.
-Right? Everyone else was like,
623
00:25:15,568 --> 00:25:16,702
"We're making bread,"
and you're like,
624
00:25:16,802 --> 00:25:17,937
"I'm gonna make, uh,
best-selling books."
625
00:25:18,037 --> 00:25:20,106
Um, I-I would love to know
626
00:25:20,206 --> 00:25:22,208
how you switch so seamlessly
between genres,
627
00:25:22,341 --> 00:25:24,610
because you-you
aren't celebrated in one.
628
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:26,946
You know,
people love your poetry.
629
00:25:27,046 --> 00:25:28,914
People have fallen in love
with your memoir.
630
00:25:29,014 --> 00:25:32,451
And then now, you've switched
into the world of novels,
631
00:25:32,551 --> 00:25:34,120
which everyone was shocked by.
632
00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:35,921
'Cause they were like,
"Why-why would you do this?
633
00:25:36,021 --> 00:25:38,190
-It's trash." Romance novels.
-Romance novels specifically.
634
00:25:38,357 --> 00:25:40,059
Yes. People are like,
"No, romance is trash."
635
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:41,594
And now you've written it,
and people are like,
636
00:25:41,694 --> 00:25:43,729
-"Maybe-maybe it's not trash.
Maybe it's, uh..." -(laughs)
637
00:25:43,829 --> 00:25:45,531
I-I'd love to know
how you switch so seamlessly.
638
00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:48,968
I think it's because
I'm a reader of every genre.
639
00:25:49,068 --> 00:25:50,770
So, I started
reading romance novels
640
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:52,805
when I was a kid
growing up in Nigeria,
641
00:25:52,905 --> 00:25:54,406
and we would smuggle them
to school
642
00:25:54,507 --> 00:25:56,776
because they were banned
for being vulgar
643
00:25:56,876 --> 00:25:58,511
-and inappropriate.
-Oh.
644
00:25:58,611 --> 00:25:59,945
And they were, like,
the Harlequin,
645
00:26:00,045 --> 00:26:01,380
the Mills & Boon romance
646
00:26:01,447 --> 00:26:03,215
-with, like, you know,
Fabio on the cover. -Right.
647
00:26:03,315 --> 00:26:05,151
-(laughs)
-Wait, you were a fan of those?
648
00:26:05,317 --> 00:26:06,685
Yes.
649
00:26:06,786 --> 00:26:08,320
-I mean, I was 13.
-(laughs)
650
00:26:08,354 --> 00:26:09,622
-Okay, but still.
-To be fair.
651
00:26:09,722 --> 00:26:11,157
Okay, okay.
All right, all right. Still...
652
00:26:11,323 --> 00:26:13,492
And I really got into them
as a kid.
653
00:26:13,592 --> 00:26:14,860
I think there's something
in there about, like,
654
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,363
being young and exploring
your own sexuality.
655
00:26:17,463 --> 00:26:20,366
Um, and then I came
to the States when I was 16
656
00:26:20,466 --> 00:26:22,868
for college, and I discovered
paranormal romance.
657
00:26:22,968 --> 00:26:24,470
And I was like,
"Oh, my goodness."
658
00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:26,439
(laughter)
659
00:26:26,539 --> 00:26:28,441
-"Shape-shifters."
-(laughing): Oh, my Lord.
660
00:26:28,541 --> 00:26:29,842
That's hilarious.
661
00:26:29,942 --> 00:26:31,477
And-and then I took a break
from it,
662
00:26:31,577 --> 00:26:34,346
but I came back around, like,
in the last couple of years,
663
00:26:34,413 --> 00:26:36,449
and I found, like, the romance
that was being written now
664
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:38,484
-was so different
from what I grew up on. -Yes.
665
00:26:38,584 --> 00:26:41,454
And it had, like,
so much representation in it.
666
00:26:41,554 --> 00:26:43,355
And it had so much hope in it.
667
00:26:43,422 --> 00:26:45,257
You know, you could read
these love stories
668
00:26:45,357 --> 00:26:47,693
about people
that society considers deviant,
669
00:26:47,793 --> 00:26:49,728
whether it's just because
you're Black or you're queer
670
00:26:49,829 --> 00:26:52,364
or you're neurodivergent
or you're in a wheelchair,
671
00:26:52,465 --> 00:26:54,366
and they get
happily ever afters.
672
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,968
And I was like, "There's
a little magic in that."
673
00:26:56,068 --> 00:26:57,436
Like, a little magic of hope.
674
00:26:57,536 --> 00:26:59,605
I think that's what people love
about your work,
675
00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:03,809
is that it has shifted the ideas
of what is "the norm"
676
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:05,945
and just told stories through
multiple different lenses.
677
00:27:06,045 --> 00:27:08,047
You know, I'll-I'll start
with-with your memoir.
678
00:27:08,147 --> 00:27:10,382
The style that you wrote it in
is really interesting
679
00:27:10,483 --> 00:27:13,319
because it's a series of letters
to people
680
00:27:13,419 --> 00:27:16,422
and yet it takes us through
a journey of-of your life.
681
00:27:16,522 --> 00:27:17,823
Why did you choose
to do it in that way?
682
00:27:17,923 --> 00:27:19,992
Why didn't you choose to address
the book to the reader
683
00:27:20,092 --> 00:27:21,427
and-and rather let us in
on a world
684
00:27:21,527 --> 00:27:24,396
where we almost become voyeurs
of your relationships?
685
00:27:24,497 --> 00:27:28,234
Well, so the secret is
I hate writing essays,
686
00:27:28,334 --> 00:27:32,338
because you have to be, like,
so serious about them
687
00:27:32,438 --> 00:27:34,774
and you have to do research
and things like that.
688
00:27:34,874 --> 00:27:36,575
And I just wanted
to write a book
689
00:27:36,675 --> 00:27:39,044
that felt like the conversations
I have with my friends.
690
00:27:39,145 --> 00:27:40,880
-Oh, I like that. -I think,
like, these are the spaces
691
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:43,182
in which you're really honest
692
00:27:43,349 --> 00:27:44,984
-because it's intimate.
-Mm-hmm.
693
00:27:45,084 --> 00:27:46,986
Because you're speaking
without a filter.
694
00:27:47,086 --> 00:27:49,388
You're not worried about,
you know, how some random reader
695
00:27:49,488 --> 00:27:50,656
-is going to take it.
-Oh, yes.
696
00:27:50,756 --> 00:27:52,458
And it strips down
that artifice.
697
00:27:52,558 --> 00:27:53,692
It strips down that wall.
698
00:27:53,793 --> 00:27:55,728
It's a different kind
of vulnerability.
699
00:27:55,828 --> 00:27:57,363
And, also,
in writing in letters,
700
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:59,698
it's like a citational practice
for me,
701
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:01,667
I think, in terms of community.
702
00:28:01,767 --> 00:28:04,303
Like, all the ideas I have,
the stories I tell,
703
00:28:04,336 --> 00:28:06,872
I tell them with my friends,
I tell them with other people.
704
00:28:06,972 --> 00:28:09,141
And so to write the letters, it
was a way of showing the world,
705
00:28:09,308 --> 00:28:11,010
like, "These are the people
I think with."
706
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:12,945
Even if it's not people
that I know personally,
707
00:28:13,045 --> 00:28:14,780
people who I engage
with their work,
708
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,215
these are the people
I'm thinking with.
709
00:28:16,315 --> 00:28:18,117
These are the people
I'm building worlds with,
710
00:28:18,217 --> 00:28:20,152
and I wanted them
to be recognized as well.
711
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:21,854
It-It's a beautiful journey.
712
00:28:21,954 --> 00:28:23,322
And then to switch from,
you know...
713
00:28:23,355 --> 00:28:24,623
from one style of book
to the other,
714
00:28:24,723 --> 00:28:27,226
You Made a Fool of Death
with Your Beauty
715
00:28:27,326 --> 00:28:28,861
has-has just gotten everybody
buzzing.
716
00:28:28,961 --> 00:28:31,397
And Michael B. Jordan is
gonna be making the film version
717
00:28:31,497 --> 00:28:33,199
of the book,
the film adaptation.
718
00:28:33,332 --> 00:28:35,434
-You're gonna be an executive
producer on it. -Yes.
719
00:28:35,534 --> 00:28:37,336
It's a really beautiful story.
Before we get into that,
720
00:28:37,369 --> 00:28:39,805
I'd love to know why you chose
not to write the screenplay.
721
00:28:39,905 --> 00:28:41,006
Because you-you are a writer.
722
00:28:41,107 --> 00:28:43,209
Why-why not do that part of it
as well?
723
00:28:43,342 --> 00:28:45,411
I have too many books to write
724
00:28:45,511 --> 00:28:47,379
-right now. (laughing)
-Okay, okay. Oh. You know what?
725
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,849
-That's-- Yeah, yeah. I mean...
-(cheering and applause)
726
00:28:49,949 --> 00:28:52,618
I mean... I get it. I get it.
727
00:28:54,487 --> 00:28:57,189
But, also, I think, for Black
people working in Hollywood,
728
00:28:57,356 --> 00:29:00,059
like in film and TV, it's
a different style of writing.
729
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:01,794
Like, I was
executive producer on--
730
00:29:01,894 --> 00:29:04,930
-in development for my first
book, Freshwater. -Mm-hmm.
731
00:29:05,030 --> 00:29:06,599
And we were working with FX,
and we were in development
732
00:29:06,699 --> 00:29:08,667
for, like, three years,
and I was like, "Oh.
733
00:29:08,768 --> 00:29:10,569
This is very different
from writing books."
734
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:12,538
Because in books,
you can do whatever you want,
735
00:29:12,638 --> 00:29:14,073
-and no one's going to stop you.
-Yeah, you're in control. Yeah.
736
00:29:14,173 --> 00:29:15,574
-Right.
-Your editor can say,
737
00:29:15,674 --> 00:29:17,009
"Well, I want you to change
this," and you can be like,
738
00:29:17,109 --> 00:29:20,012
"No!" And nothing happens.
739
00:29:20,112 --> 00:29:22,481
But in TV, you kind of have
to listen to the people
740
00:29:22,581 --> 00:29:24,116
-who are giving you notes.
-Oh, yeah, you do, yeah.
741
00:29:24,216 --> 00:29:26,118
-Yeah, they don't play that
game. -Yeah, it's, you know...
742
00:29:26,218 --> 00:29:27,787
They're like, "No, no, no,
this not going to work."
743
00:29:27,887 --> 00:29:30,856
Yeah, I wanted to hand it over
to people who actually
744
00:29:30,956 --> 00:29:33,759
do work in that field and
kind of know how to collaborate
745
00:29:33,859 --> 00:29:35,394
-maybe a little bit better.
-I like that.
746
00:29:35,494 --> 00:29:37,329
Okay, so, they're like
the conduit between yourself
747
00:29:37,396 --> 00:29:39,432
and the TV. Okay, I get that.
748
00:29:39,532 --> 00:29:44,170
The story is a really beautiful,
painful look at,
749
00:29:44,336 --> 00:29:45,871
not just love. 'Cause, you know,
750
00:29:45,971 --> 00:29:47,473
when I heard it was going
to be a romance novel,
751
00:29:47,573 --> 00:29:48,908
I was like, "Oh, this is
going to be interesting."
752
00:29:49,008 --> 00:29:51,944
And it's more than, like,
a romance model in the way...
753
00:29:52,044 --> 00:29:53,479
novel in the way we think of it.
754
00:29:53,579 --> 00:29:56,615
It's a story about grief really.
You know, we follow the story
755
00:29:56,715 --> 00:30:00,486
of Feyi in the book who's
a woman who's lost her partner,
756
00:30:00,586 --> 00:30:03,456
and she's in this world
where it's just grief.
757
00:30:03,556 --> 00:30:04,790
What is the point
of life, almost,
758
00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:06,992
is what we're experiencing
in the book.
759
00:30:07,092 --> 00:30:08,794
And then, we see her fall
in love with somebody.
760
00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:10,296
I won't spoil all of it.
761
00:30:10,362 --> 00:30:13,499
-But that person is tied
to her through grief. -Mm.
762
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:15,768
I would love to know
how that became a theme
763
00:30:15,868 --> 00:30:17,303
for a romance novel.
764
00:30:17,403 --> 00:30:19,305
You wouldn't think that death
and grief would be something
765
00:30:19,371 --> 00:30:20,806
that you'd want to put
in a book about love.
766
00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:22,875
It snuck in, you know?
767
00:30:22,975 --> 00:30:25,010
Initially, I was like, "This
is going to be a fluffy book."
768
00:30:25,111 --> 00:30:27,313
-Yes. -"It's just going
to be messy, hot girl summer."
769
00:30:27,379 --> 00:30:30,483
-(laughter)
-And then I met the character.
770
00:30:30,583 --> 00:30:34,453
And she was like, "I have depths
that you can only dream of."
771
00:30:34,553 --> 00:30:37,456
And-and when I started
writing it, it felt...
772
00:30:37,556 --> 00:30:39,892
it felt fitting because
I think there is so much grief
773
00:30:39,992 --> 00:30:41,660
-in the world
we're living in now. -Yeah.
774
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,829
There's so much of it,
and so many people are trying
775
00:30:43,929 --> 00:30:45,197
to figure out this question of,
776
00:30:45,331 --> 00:30:47,533
"How do I keep living
throughout it?"
777
00:30:47,633 --> 00:30:49,635
-In some ways it feels
sacrilegious almost. -Mm.
778
00:30:49,735 --> 00:30:52,905
-It feels wrong. It feels like
survivor's guilt. -Yes, it does.
779
00:30:53,005 --> 00:30:54,640
Like, there are so many people
who are suffering,
780
00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:56,675
-and you're here having a hot
girl summer. -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
781
00:30:56,776 --> 00:30:58,644
And how do you balance
all of that?
782
00:30:58,744 --> 00:31:01,514
Um, so in the book, I wanted
to write about this woman
783
00:31:01,614 --> 00:31:03,949
who's exploring that
and figuring it out.
784
00:31:04,049 --> 00:31:07,553
Because at some point, we do
have to find a way to live.
785
00:31:07,653 --> 00:31:10,523
And so, she is, like,
chasing life, she's chasing joy,
786
00:31:10,623 --> 00:31:11,991
and she's chasing happiness,
787
00:31:12,091 --> 00:31:14,560
and she's making a lot
of messy choices along the way.
788
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:17,129
But I think
that's part and parcel of it.
789
00:31:17,296 --> 00:31:19,598
-You know, with grief,
the world doesn't stop. -Mm-hmm.
790
00:31:19,698 --> 00:31:21,934
And that's something I wrote
about, like, in my memoir.
791
00:31:22,034 --> 00:31:24,703
It's... It seems wrong the way
792
00:31:24,804 --> 00:31:27,173
that one world can stop
when you lose someone,
793
00:31:27,306 --> 00:31:29,408
and the rest
of the world just keeps going.
794
00:31:29,508 --> 00:31:32,711
-Like, it doesn't matter that
your world just stopped. -Right.
795
00:31:32,812 --> 00:31:34,046
And at some point,
you have to figure out
796
00:31:34,146 --> 00:31:35,414
how to blend back into it.
797
00:31:35,514 --> 00:31:37,183
Yeah, how you get back
into the highway of life
798
00:31:37,316 --> 00:31:40,453
that's just moving along.
The, um, the-the main character
799
00:31:40,553 --> 00:31:42,354
in the book is also an artist,
800
00:31:42,455 --> 00:31:43,756
and I feel like that was
inspired a little bit
801
00:31:43,856 --> 00:31:46,592
by your world,
because I know you are--
802
00:31:46,692 --> 00:31:48,227
I mean, "an artist"
almost doesn't describe it,
803
00:31:48,327 --> 00:31:50,529
because you-you
like everything, you know?
804
00:31:50,629 --> 00:31:53,065
It's video art and it's
pictures, and it's everything.
805
00:31:53,165 --> 00:31:55,367
But her style of art
is very particular, because
806
00:31:55,468 --> 00:31:57,937
she works with-- you know, and
I've seen some of the images,
807
00:31:58,037 --> 00:32:01,874
it's-- it's blood. You know,
which feels very morbid.
808
00:32:01,974 --> 00:32:04,176
I-I wanted to know how you
got into art that involves,
809
00:32:04,276 --> 00:32:06,612
like, portraits of people
where there's a lot of blood
810
00:32:06,712 --> 00:32:09,048
in the image,
but it's not sad, somehow.
811
00:32:09,148 --> 00:32:10,850
What-what is the message
you're trying to convey
812
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:12,718
and what connected you
to that art form?
813
00:32:12,818 --> 00:32:15,387
You know, for me, it's
always something spiritual.
814
00:32:15,488 --> 00:32:16,989
Like, one of the things
I try to do--
815
00:32:17,089 --> 00:32:19,291
and that was why I also wrote
the memoir the way I wrote it--
816
00:32:19,391 --> 00:32:21,694
is to figure out how
to move spirit first
817
00:32:21,794 --> 00:32:24,463
in a world that's always
asking to you translate it
818
00:32:24,563 --> 00:32:28,300
into something that's
more legible to, you know,
819
00:32:28,367 --> 00:32:29,802
the mainstream
or to the layperson,
820
00:32:29,902 --> 00:32:33,105
and-and I find that, with blood,
there's something so visceral
821
00:32:33,205 --> 00:32:37,143
about it, where you can't--
you can't mask it.
822
00:32:37,309 --> 00:32:40,613
You look at it and it's exactly
what it appears to be.
823
00:32:40,713 --> 00:32:42,748
-Right.
-It's jarring, in that sense,
824
00:32:42,848 --> 00:32:45,217
and it's such a big part
of rituals,
825
00:32:45,317 --> 00:32:48,420
especially for indigenous,
like, African faith traditions,
826
00:32:48,521 --> 00:32:51,023
it's such a big part of ritual.
So, with my work,
827
00:32:51,123 --> 00:32:52,825
a lot of the times,
what I'm doing is I'm creating
828
00:32:52,925 --> 00:32:55,694
these self-portraits,
I'm recreating rituals,
829
00:32:55,795 --> 00:32:58,364
I'm trying to find a way
to, like, connect back
830
00:32:58,464 --> 00:33:01,200
to all these ways of being,
like, before we were colonized
831
00:33:01,333 --> 00:33:03,068
and, you know, our whole
cultures were stripped from us.
832
00:33:03,169 --> 00:33:05,137
Right, right, right. It-it
really is an interesting journey
833
00:33:05,271 --> 00:33:07,940
and it-it's fun
to see you playing with that
834
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,675
in the book and the journey
that she's on and, you know,
835
00:33:09,775 --> 00:33:11,877
going into the Caribbean,
and I'll tell you all about--
836
00:33:11,977 --> 00:33:13,279
you guys are just gonna have to
read the boo-- I don't want to
837
00:33:13,312 --> 00:33:14,647
tell you the book,
'cause I see you guys now, like,
838
00:33:14,747 --> 00:33:16,148
"Tell us more, Trevor."
I'm not gonna tell you any more.
839
00:33:16,282 --> 00:33:17,817
Thank you for joining me
on the show. Congratulations
840
00:33:17,917 --> 00:33:19,618
on yet another
critically-acclaimed book,
841
00:33:19,718 --> 00:33:21,287
and I hope to see you again
on the show.
842
00:33:21,387 --> 00:33:22,288
-Thank you. It's a pleasure.
-Thank you so much.
843
00:33:22,388 --> 00:33:24,089
(cheering, applause)
844
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:26,492
You Made a Fool of Death with
Your Beauty is available now
845
00:33:26,592 --> 00:33:30,196
and Dear Senthuran
will be available in paperback
846
00:33:30,296 --> 00:33:31,931
on June 7th.
We're gonna take a quick break,
847
00:33:32,031 --> 00:33:34,433
but we'll be right back
after this.
848
00:33:34,533 --> 00:33:36,569
-Thank you very much.
-(cheering, applause continuing)
849
00:33:41,941 --> 00:33:43,075
(cheering, applause)
850
00:33:43,175 --> 00:33:44,376
Well, that's our show
for tonight.
851
00:33:44,477 --> 00:33:46,479
But before we go, before we go,
852
00:33:46,579 --> 00:33:49,615
please consider donating
to Everytown for Gun Safety.
853
00:33:49,715 --> 00:33:52,384
They're a movement of parents,
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854
00:33:52,485 --> 00:33:55,454
educators, gun owners
and concerned citizens
855
00:33:55,554 --> 00:33:57,189
who are fighting
to end gun violence
856
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:58,724
and build safer communities.
857
00:33:58,824 --> 00:34:01,961
Research shows that common sense
public safety policies
858
00:34:02,061 --> 00:34:04,663
can reduce gun violence
and save lives.
859
00:34:04,763 --> 00:34:06,765
Everytown works with local,
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860
00:34:06,866 --> 00:34:09,535
to enact and implement
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861
00:34:09,635 --> 00:34:12,171
please donate and help them
at the link below.
862
00:34:12,271 --> 00:34:14,573
Until tomorrow, stay safe
out there and remember:
863
00:34:14,673 --> 00:34:17,109
if you're desperate
to have grandkids,
864
00:34:17,209 --> 00:34:19,078
don't sue your children.
865
00:34:19,178 --> 00:34:20,880
Just go to a playground
and take one.
866
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:22,648
There's hundreds there.
Hundreds.
867
00:34:22,748 --> 00:34:25,084
Now here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
868
00:34:26,785 --> 00:34:29,121
Maybe the jury is saying that
Johnny Depp and Amber Heard
869
00:34:29,221 --> 00:34:32,791
should never reconcile,
but maybe this could bring about
870
00:34:32,892 --> 00:34:36,529
a reconciliation of Johnny Depp
and Kate Moss.
871
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:37,897
Who knows?
872
00:34:37,997 --> 00:34:40,366
I was being told in my ear
about a mountain lion,
873
00:34:40,466 --> 00:34:43,035
so I didn't hear you, but we
should probably move on to that.
874
00:34:43,102 --> 00:34:44,637
NEWSMAN: Yes, all right,
Fox News alert,
875
00:34:44,737 --> 00:34:46,205
and a live look
at a high school
876
00:34:46,305 --> 00:34:49,108
in Pescadero, California where
students and staff
877
00:34:49,208 --> 00:34:52,044
got quite a scare--
a mountain lion
878
00:34:52,077 --> 00:34:55,281
somehow getting inside
the building.