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Okay.
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Let's kick things off with the
big news from the stock market.
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You know, the app that
they pre-install on your phone
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to make you feel dumb.
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Since the stock market recovered
from the COVID tumble in 2020,
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Wall Street
has been having a blast,
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And the more stocks you owned,
the better time you were having,
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which is why Warren Buffett
has got those new grills.
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But, over the last year,
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inflation has been rising.
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The Federal Reserve
has been raising interest rates
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to cool the economy down.
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And now it looks like the good
times in the stock market
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might be officially over.
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All eyes on Wall Street
once again this morning.
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It was yesterday
the stocks plummeting,
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pushing the S&P 500 officially
into bear market territory.
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NEWSMAN: The Dow Jones
Industrial's now 16% lower
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for the year.
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The tech-
and biotech-heavy Nasdaq
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down 30% year-to-date.
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And the broader S&P index
common in Americans' portfolios
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sliding
into bear market territory,
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down 21% this year.
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Real money that Americans invest
to one day retire,
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pay for kids' college
or a new house.
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The advice
from most financial experts,
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despite the high stress
and the anxiety:
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don't panic.
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There's no need to panic.
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The truth of the matter is
don't panic.
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(yelling)
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(cheering and applause)
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Sorry. What did they say?
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I was, uh, too busy
chugging that, uh,
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comically large bottle of Xanax.
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I'm not panicked, by the way.
I'm just addicted to pills.
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But, yes, people,
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these are scary times
for stocks,
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because we are now
officially in a bear market,
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which is when people
are so broke
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they have to blow Paddington
in a parking lot.
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"Oh, heavens. Oh, heavens.
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Oh, heavens!"
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Obviously, I'm joking.
I'm joking.
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Paddington doesn't have a penis.
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A bear market is basically
when the S&P has dropped 20%
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from its previous high,
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which, for many,
can be very stressful.
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Yeah, right now, everyone who's
looking at their E-Trade account
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feels like the same way
you look when, you know--
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when you're looking at your ex's
wedding photos on Instagram.
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You're just like, "Why?
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"Why do I keep looking?
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"Why? Why am I--
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"Aah! I hit 'like' by mistake!
No!
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"I liked it!
Now I have to comment.
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'I wish you all the best.'"
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(crying)
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But even if you don't own
stocks,
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a bear market is often a signal
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that a recession
might be coming,
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and that affects everybody.
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The economy slows down.
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Unemployment goes up.
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Africans become president.
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And your mom starts buying
the generic cereals
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with the knock-off mascots.
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Terry the Tiger says,
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"They're adequate!"
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And-and, by the way,
it's not just the stock market
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that's falling right now. Yeah.
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Crypto is crashing even harder,
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with Bitcoin plummeting
67% from its high,
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which I find really interesting.
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Because for, like,
the past ten years,
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every single crypto bro
I've met has told me
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that crypto would protect me
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when the mainstream economy
failed.
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Yeah, you heard them.
They were everywhere.
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Crypto people would act
like you were the crazy one
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for not investing
your life savings
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into a coin some Swedish
teenager invented last week.
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"Oh, you're not in Doggy
Monkey coin? What a loser!"
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(laughter)
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You know what's even crazier is
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that the crypto crowd
is blaming Biden for this.
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And look, no. Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
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You can blame a president
for a lot of things--
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inflation, unemployment,
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not being able to cheer
for your son Brandon
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at a soccer game without
it becoming a whole thing--
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but you can't blame him
for crypto. No.
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My man, if an 80-year-old man
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who doesn't even know
what bitcoin is
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can crash your crypto,
then your crypto ain't shit!
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(laughter)
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I said it.
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(applause and cheering)
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I know you're mad
that your Jenga tower fell down,
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but that's what happens
when you play Jenga.
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'Cause remember, like, this is
what they said to everybody.
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They said, "Oh, the crypto is
gonna save you from the market.
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That's what crypto is.
It protects you!"
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They made it seem like
it was a parachute
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that would protect us all
from the economy,
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and then, now,
the plane is crashing, and then,
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it turns out, the parachute is
attached to the plane.
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(laughter)
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You're like, "What is this?"
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"Oh, it's all going down!"
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But let's move on
from that bad economic news
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to some other
bad economic news.
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For two years now,
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we have seen the global supply
chain crisis impact everything,
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from computers
to cars to baby formula.
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And by the way, why is there
never a supply chain shortage
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of bad stuff, you know?
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There's never a shortage of,
like, racist Halloween costumes.
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You know? "But how
will I get canceled now?"
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But the latest shortage
is hitting even closer home,
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like, as close as you can get.
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Now to the latest shortage
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to hit our nation's store--
tampons.
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Women are scrambling
to find the products
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as shelves are increasingly
becoming bare.
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It's the latest
of the supply chain issues
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to have a disproportionate
impact on women.
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The makers of Tampax
and Playtex say
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there's high demand
and low supply.
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It's reportedly stemming
from a combination
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of factory staffing problems,
transportation logjams
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and the rising cost of
raw materials like plastics.
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Companies like CVS and Target
confirming
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they are experiencing
lower inventory.
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Walgreens telling ABC News
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they will have stock,
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but there may only be
certain brands available
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while they navigate
the supply disruption.
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And prices
for this essential item, Amy,
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up nearly ten percent,
according to Bloomberg.
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That's right. The pandemic
supply chain problems
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have now led
to a tampon shortage.
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A massive tampon shortage.
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And before we panic,
before we panic,
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I think we need to make sure
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that this whole thing
wasn't just started
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by one dude's bullshit excuse
for not picking up tampons.
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You know.
Just like, "Oh, sorry, babe.
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"I tried, but there's, like,
a whole supply chain issue.
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"Yeah, it's, like,
economy stuff.
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You wouldn't understand. Yeah."
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Because, look, this is actually
a serious problem
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because without tampons, like,
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what will women dip
into bowls of blue liquid?
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Yeah, I know
how women's bodies work.
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I've seen it in the ads.
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-I'm that guy.
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By the way,
did you catch how they tried
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to blame the problem
partly on women,
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where they were like,
"Due to high demand"?
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-What does that mean?
-(laughter)
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No, but what is that?
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-(applause and cheering)
-"Due to high demand."
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Because isn't the demand
always pretty much the same?
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-(laughter)
-What has changed?
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Like, is there, like, some viral
get-your-period challenge
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on TikTok right now?
Due to high demand?
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-Get the (bleep) out of here.
-(laughter)
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And this absolutely sucks.
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I tell you now,
this sucks for women.
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(applause)
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Guys don't have to go through
this, but women do. It sucks.
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I will tell you who is probably
loving it right now, though,
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is that one forgotten tampon
that's been sitting
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at the bottom of your bag
for two years.
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Well, well, well, Lisa.
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I knew you'd come crawling back.
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You spent two years
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throwing T.J. Maxx receipts,
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ChapStick and gum wrappers
on top of me,
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but look who's desperately
digging around for me now.
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That's right.
You thought you were cool.
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No, wait! Come back!
Come back! I'm sorry.
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Please, don't leave me here.
The pennies are so mean to me!
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All right.
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Um, and finally, tonight,
um, I wanted
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to wish someone very special
a happy birthday.
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Um, actually, you guys
can join me, if you don't mind.
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-♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
-(audience joins in)
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♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
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♪ Happy birthday ♪
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-♪ President Donald Trump. ♪
-(audience groans)
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It's too late! It's too late!
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You wished him a happy birthday.
You wished him a happy birthday.
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All of you. Yeah.
You made his day,
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and you wished him a long life.
He's here forever.
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You guys did that.
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Today is Donald Trump's
76th birthday.
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(audience booing)
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But it turns out--
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He can't hear you.
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(man boos)
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You went louder?
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Yeah, it is his birthday today,
but it turns out
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the haters can't even
give the poor man a day off.
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Because all week-- all week
long, the January 6th committee
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has been riding his ass
just because
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he tried to
overthrow the government.
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And now-- and now they're even
accusing him of fraud
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just because he asked
his supporters for money
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to set up
an election defense fund
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and then didn't set up
an election defense fund.
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And, yeah, that looks bad,
but people don't realize that
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some of the money went
to really important causes.
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NEWSWOMAN: Investigators claim
that President Trump raised
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over $250 million
from supporters
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to fight election fraud claims
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but then funneled the money
to himself and his allies,
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including his son's fiancé,
Kimberly Guilfoyle,
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who was paid $60,000
for a two-minute speech
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introducing Donald Trump, Jr.
at the January 6th rally.
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God damn.
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Trump took some of the money
that he said he was gonna use
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to fight election fraud
and paid his son's fiancé
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$60,000
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for a two-minute
introduction speech.
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Which is such a scam.
I don't care what anyone says.
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That's an even bigger scam
than tai chi.
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Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry,
who are you gonna fight--
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an army of slow butterflies?
What is this?
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Like, what is this,
who are you fighting?
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I will say, though,
this does prove
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that Donald Trump
is a proud feminist ally.
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Yeah, that's right, I said it.
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Everyone's always complaining
that women get paid less
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for more work, but Trump--
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no, he's doing everything
to close the wage gap.
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He paid Kimberly Guilfoyle
for two minutes of work.
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He paid Stormy Daniels
for two minutes of work.
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Yeah.
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Trump isn't breaking the law,
he's breaking the glass ceiling.
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And in case you were wondering
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what a $60,000
two-minute speech sounds like,
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well, take a listen
to some of the highlights.
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Well, good morning, D.C.,
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and good morning, America!
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God-loving, freedom-loving,
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liberty-loving patriots
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that will not let them
steal this election!
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Thank you, President Trump!
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Who stands for law enforcement!
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For the Constitution!
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And let's show the president
when he comes
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how much we love him!
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God bless America!
God bless our president!
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And ladies and gentlemen,
the best is yet to come.
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NOAH: Okay.
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Okay. Okay, no, no. No.
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Now I understand.
I understand it now.
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She wasn't paid
to speak for two minutes.
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She was paid to stop speaking
after two minutes.
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That's what happened there.
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"I can keep going longer!"
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"No, no, here's your money.
Here's your money.
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"Just take the money.
Take the money.
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Take the money.
Take it all. Take it all."
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(cheering and applause)
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"Take it all."
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Even the wind was like...
(grumbles)
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(chuckles)
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Let's be honest, people.
This was not a $60,000 speech.
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I don't care
which side you're on.
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No good speech ends
with Don Jr. coming out.
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That's not a good speech.
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And, you know, once again,
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as much as people want
to be angry at Donald Trump,
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I feel like this is
one of those instances
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where he is the black light
on America's democracy.
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Because, you see,
he didn't invent this scam.
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Politicians from every party
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use their campaign funds
to enrich their friends.
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It's just that Trump
does it so egregiously
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that everyone notices it.
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All politicians are like,
"Oh, donate. It's for the fund.
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It's for this." But no one looks
at where the money goes.
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Yeah. It's-it's just
something you pay attention to
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because of how he does it.
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It's the same way all of us
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have eaten a grape or two
at the grocery store.
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(laughter)
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But Trump's the guy
who walks into Whole Foods
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with a fork and knife, you know?
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He's like, "You guys have
the best raw chicken.
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So good. So good."
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All right,
that's it for the headlines.
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But before we go to a break,
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it's time to check in
on the weather forecast
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with our very own Desi Lydic,
everybody!
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(cheering and applause)
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Desi, so good to see you again.
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So, what's the...
what's the weather looking like?
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Oh, Trevor, we're inside.
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It doesn't matter.
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You know, what does matter
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is the fact
that there's a tampon shortage.
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I mean, I still have a source,
but pretty soon,
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my neighbor's
gonna start noticing
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that hers have gone missing.
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-What? -Let me tell you,
it is bad times for women.
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I mean, no tampons?
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And, Trevor,
I know what you're gonna say.
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"What about pads?"
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-And... -And while I am grateful
for you as a man
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for trying to help solve
this problem-- it's very cute--
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but pads are off the table.
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Okay? They're huge and obsolete.
348
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They're like the iPhone 3
of feminine hygiene.
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It's not gonna happen.
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And I know
what you're gonna say next.
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"Desi, what about the DivaCup?"
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-I didn't say that.
-And, look, I know
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that they are supposed
to be great for the environment,
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and I get it,
but I just can't get on board.
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A tampon, you take out,
you never have to see it again.
356
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But a DivaCup?
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It's there every day.
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Like, it remembers.
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And it sees stuff, you know?
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(laughter)
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Anyway, also,
why do they call it a DivaCup?
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I do not feel like a diva
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when I'm cleaning up
a murder scene
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in the work bathroom.
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(laughter and applause)
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-Awful.
-That's a really good point.
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If anything, they should call it
the DexterCup.
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(laughter)
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Look,
I think you and I both know
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that there is only one way
to solve this problem, okay?
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And that's to free bleed.
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-What?
-Women... Yes.
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Yes!
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Women everywhere need
to just start free bleeding.
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Everywhere.
And I mean everywhere.
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I'm talking the subway,
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your office chair,
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happy hour at Applebee's...
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Trust me, if we all do that,
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men will stop ignoring
this problem,
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and it'll get solved
in a week tops.
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-Tops.
-(cheering and applause)
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I-I guess.
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Yeah, because, let me tell you,
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if there is one thing that
freaks men out more than blood,
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it's women's blood.
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(laughter)
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By the way, I've been talking
for two minutes,
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so you owe me 60 grand.
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(cheering and applause)
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Don't... We didn't talk
about the weather,
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-but thank you so much.
Desi Lydic, everybody! -Yeah.
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-(cheering and applause)
-All right, don't go away,
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'cause when we come back,
you'll find out
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the gritty origin story
of Rudy Giuliani.
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You don't want to miss it.
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(cheering and applause)
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(cheering and applause)
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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One of the central figures
in yesterday's January 6 hearing
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was Rudy Giuliani,
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the one man who didn't abandon
President Trump's dreams
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of reelection just because he
had already lost the election.
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But how did Giuliani become
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the fearless ass-kisser
we know today?
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Well, that's the subject
of our latest Daily Showography.
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LYDIC:
What makes a great leader?
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Is it courage?
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Compassion?
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Charisma?
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Or is it an integrity
and confidence
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that just leaks out
of their pores?
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A calming strength
that drips from every orifice.
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And the way they give
their blood, sweat
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and other bodily fluids to make
the world a better place.
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Since the 2016 election,
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Rudy Giuliani has been
a national leader,
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spreading his patriotic message
at political rallies...
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Let's have trial by combat!
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-...landscaping company
parking lots... -(horn honks)
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...and arenas
across this great nation.
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-America!
-(cheering)
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LYDIC:
But how did he become the man
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and/or man-like creature
he is today?
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This is the Daily Showography
of Rudy Giuliani:
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Oozing Greatness.
427
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-(crying, screeching)
-Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
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was born in 1944
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in East Flatbush, New York.
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His father
was an alleged mob enforcer
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who did time at Sing Sing
for armed robbery.
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He would tell me,
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never take anybody else's money,
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make sure
you always pay for things.
435
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I mean, he wanted to make sure
that I didn't...
436
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make the same mistakes
that he believed he had made.
437
00:18:04,203 --> 00:18:06,973
LYDIC: It was an inspiring
message from a father--
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come up
with your own original crimes.
439
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And he would.
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To keep Rudy away from New York
City's criminal element,
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the family moved to the suburbs.
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GIULIANI:
I can remember as a youngster
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that my father
would sometimes threaten me
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with putting me
in public schools
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if my behavior didn't improve,
446
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and that was
a very frightening thought.
447
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But I was a product
of Catholic education.
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And it instilled in me
from a very early age
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a desire to be a priest.
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LYDIC: That's right. Giuliani
almost became a man of the cloth
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instead of a man of...
sweaty handkerchiefs.
452
00:18:38,437 --> 00:18:41,073
Ultimately, he chose
not to pursue the priesthood,
453
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deciding instead to marry
his childhood sweetheart,
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who also happened to be
his second cousin.
455
00:18:47,847 --> 00:18:50,416
And while, today,
that may be seen as weird,
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00:18:50,516 --> 00:18:54,220
back then,
it was seen as super gross.
457
00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,656
After graduating law school,
Giuliani began
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his meteoric career,
quickly rising
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to the third highest position
460
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at President Reagan's
Justice Department.
461
00:19:02,928 --> 00:19:05,798
He was the youngest person ever
to hold the job,
462
00:19:05,898 --> 00:19:08,334
but he was already
sporting the combover
463
00:19:08,434 --> 00:19:10,503
of a man twice his age.
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00:19:10,603 --> 00:19:12,705
Soon, Rudy was U.S. Attorney
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for the Southern District
of New York.
466
00:19:14,674 --> 00:19:18,210
Rudy wasn't afraid to take on
criminals or to give lots
467
00:19:18,244 --> 00:19:20,746
of press conferences
about how he took on criminals.
468
00:19:20,846 --> 00:19:22,848
GIULIANI: Well, I think, uh,
five or six or seven years ago,
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nobody would have believed
it was possible
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to convict the head
of the Sicilian mafia and
471
00:19:27,386 --> 00:19:29,455
have him sitting in the
Metropolitan Correction Center.
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00:19:29,555 --> 00:19:32,224
LYDIC: He loved the camera,
and the camera
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just wanted to be friends.
474
00:19:34,694 --> 00:19:37,930
But soon, taking credit
for arrests wasn't enough.
475
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He had to pretend
to make the arrests himself.
476
00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:41,801
I bought crack.
477
00:19:41,901 --> 00:19:43,269
I had a female D.E.A. agent
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who was, like,
theoretically my date,
479
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and we went up, and we purchased
crack in Washington Heights.
480
00:19:47,573 --> 00:19:49,809
LYDIC: Now that's what I call
going undercover.
481
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:51,243
Tell me you don't think
he smoked crack
482
00:19:51,344 --> 00:19:53,012
before picking out that outfit.
483
00:19:53,179 --> 00:19:55,681
With his crimefighting career
burning hotter
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than totally normal lust
between second cousins,
485
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Rudy set his sights
on elected office.
486
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He first ran for mayor
of New York in 1989,
487
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but he didn't quite have
the name recognition
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he needed to win.
489
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GEORGE H.W. BUSH:
I would like to commend
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Republican candidate Rudolph
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Gia-Gia... Giaulani. Rudy.
492
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-(laughter)
-Sorry about that.
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LYDIC: Wow. Tough break for
Rudy Geo... philly... uni.
494
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Four years later,
Rudy tried again, and this time,
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he had the perfect foil
to rally his voters against--
496
00:20:29,682 --> 00:20:32,151
New York's first Black mayor.
497
00:20:32,184 --> 00:20:34,854
Denouncing David Dinkins
as soft on crime,
498
00:20:34,954 --> 00:20:37,590
Giuliani led
off-duty police officers
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in a peaceful protest.
500
00:20:39,525 --> 00:20:41,294
-ALL: He's got to go! -NEWSMAN:
And then, minutes later,
501
00:20:41,394 --> 00:20:43,562
thousands of cops
stormed through the barricades
502
00:20:43,663 --> 00:20:44,964
and ran on top of cars
503
00:20:45,064 --> 00:20:47,266
as they charged the stairs
of city hall.
504
00:20:47,366 --> 00:20:49,635
LYDIC: Okay, it was
a peaceful-ish protest.
505
00:20:49,735 --> 00:20:51,737
At least hyping up a crowd
to storm a government building
506
00:20:51,837 --> 00:20:54,807
would be good practice for him.
507
00:20:54,907 --> 00:20:58,177
So, through sheer charisma,
and just a little hint
508
00:20:58,210 --> 00:20:59,478
of police intimidation,
509
00:20:59,578 --> 00:21:02,281
he finally became Mayor Geohani.
510
00:21:02,381 --> 00:21:04,283
Sorry. Giuliani.
511
00:21:04,383 --> 00:21:07,887
Over the next decade,
Giuliani took New York City
512
00:21:07,987 --> 00:21:11,324
from a gutter toilet
of violence and sex and piss
513
00:21:11,424 --> 00:21:14,827
and turned it into a clean
and safe utopia
514
00:21:14,927 --> 00:21:16,796
with ample magazine jobs
that allowed young women
515
00:21:16,896 --> 00:21:18,364
to live in giant apartments
516
00:21:18,464 --> 00:21:21,901
with walk-in closets
and so many shoes.
517
00:21:22,001 --> 00:21:24,971
Under Giuliani,
the New York Police Department
518
00:21:25,137 --> 00:21:28,274
pioneered some of the most
iconic anti-crime tactics
519
00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:31,477
of the era,
like stop and frisk.
520
00:21:31,577 --> 00:21:33,145
Broken windows policing.
521
00:21:33,245 --> 00:21:35,648
Sexual assault
with a broom handle.
522
00:21:35,748 --> 00:21:38,684
And shooting an innocent guy
so many times
523
00:21:38,784 --> 00:21:40,853
Bruce Springsteen
wrote a song about it.
524
00:21:40,953 --> 00:21:43,623
♪ 41 shots ♪
525
00:21:43,723 --> 00:21:47,793
♪ Lena gets her son
ready for school ♪
526
00:21:47,893 --> 00:21:50,630
LYDIC: And Giuliani didn't
just go after criminals,
527
00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:52,498
he went after all poor people
528
00:21:52,598 --> 00:21:54,367
in the most hilarious ways.
529
00:21:54,467 --> 00:21:57,003
Look at you--
lying there like that.
530
00:21:57,169 --> 00:21:59,272
Don't you have any dignity?
531
00:21:59,372 --> 00:22:02,208
Lying on your butt all day
collecting welfare?
532
00:22:02,308 --> 00:22:05,511
(growling)
533
00:22:05,611 --> 00:22:08,547
LYDIC: Yeah, I think
he was still buying crack.
534
00:22:08,648 --> 00:22:11,851
Giuliani was bringing glamour
back to New York City.
535
00:22:11,951 --> 00:22:14,220
And if he was making
a few enemies,
536
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,689
he was also making
some good friends.
537
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:18,291
You know,
you're really beautiful.
538
00:22:18,391 --> 00:22:21,694
(high-pitched): Oh,
you dirty boy, you, oh, oh.
539
00:22:21,794 --> 00:22:23,296
LYDIC: Finally,
Rudy found a disguise
540
00:22:23,396 --> 00:22:26,932
that managed to fool someone
dumber than a crack dealer.
541
00:22:27,033 --> 00:22:29,402
By now, Giuliani was ready
to shake things up.
542
00:22:29,502 --> 00:22:32,204
He dumped his second
wife at press conference
543
00:22:32,305 --> 00:22:33,839
without telling her first.
544
00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:36,909
In many ways, we've, um,
grown-grown to live
545
00:22:37,009 --> 00:22:38,277
independent and separate lives.
546
00:22:38,377 --> 00:22:40,179
LYDIC: Leaving her to respond
with own statement
547
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:42,248
about how he was a cheating ho.
548
00:22:42,348 --> 00:22:44,684
For several years, it was
difficult to participate
549
00:22:44,784 --> 00:22:47,453
in Rudy's public life
because of his relationship
550
00:22:47,553 --> 00:22:49,155
with one staff member.
551
00:22:49,188 --> 00:22:50,923
LYDIC: Rudy moved out
of the mayor's mansion
552
00:22:51,023 --> 00:22:52,391
and crashed with some friends--
553
00:22:52,491 --> 00:22:54,527
a gay couple
and their pet shih tzu--
554
00:22:54,627 --> 00:22:57,930
while running a losing Senate
race against Hillary Clinton.
555
00:22:58,030 --> 00:23:00,066
Honestly, his life
was a lot simpler
556
00:23:00,166 --> 00:23:01,834
when he was just
banging his cousin.
557
00:23:01,934 --> 00:23:05,004
And then, just as his term
was coming to an end,
558
00:23:05,171 --> 00:23:08,507
Rudy Giuliani found himself
right where he needed to be.
559
00:23:08,608 --> 00:23:10,876
Tomorrow, um,
New York is gonna be here
560
00:23:10,977 --> 00:23:12,778
and we're gonna rebuild
561
00:23:12,878 --> 00:23:14,313
and we're gonna be stronger
than we were before.
562
00:23:14,413 --> 00:23:17,850
9/11 gave Rudy his big promotion
to America's mayor.
563
00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:18,918
-GIULIANI: America!
-LYDIC: And that's
564
00:23:19,018 --> 00:23:20,419
when the party started.
565
00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:21,988
DAVID LETTERMAN: Ladies
and gentlemen, please welcome,
566
00:23:22,121 --> 00:23:25,391
uh, Mayor of New York City,
the Honorable Rudolph Giuliani.
567
00:23:25,491 --> 00:23:27,660
(crowd chanting):
Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!
568
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,830
LYDIC: Yes, no one rose
to greater prominence
569
00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:34,634
after 9/11 than Rudy Giuliani,
except maybe bin Laden.
570
00:23:34,734 --> 00:23:38,304
By 2008, Giuliani
was finally confident enough
571
00:23:38,404 --> 00:23:40,940
to admit he was bald
and to make a play
572
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,943
for the highest office
in the land.
573
00:23:44,043 --> 00:23:46,012
NEWSWOMAN: Rudy is in.
America's mayor
574
00:23:46,145 --> 00:23:48,047
now wants to be
America's president.
575
00:23:48,147 --> 00:23:49,582
LYDIC: Anyway,
he came in sixth in Iowa
576
00:23:49,682 --> 00:23:51,784
and was out of the race
by February.
577
00:23:51,884 --> 00:23:54,387
By the time the 2016
election year came around,
578
00:23:54,487 --> 00:23:57,723
Giuliani had realized
he didn't need to be president.
579
00:23:57,823 --> 00:24:00,626
He could just be friends
with one.
580
00:24:00,726 --> 00:24:02,795
It was a win-win friendship.
581
00:24:02,895 --> 00:24:05,798
Trump gave Rudy
the power he was longing for,
582
00:24:05,898 --> 00:24:09,235
and Rudy made Trump
look attractive by comparison.
583
00:24:09,335 --> 00:24:13,205
As Trump's BFF,
Rudy was really going places,
584
00:24:13,306 --> 00:24:16,042
even if he didn't always seem
to know where he was.
585
00:24:16,175 --> 00:24:18,077
From the top to the bottom,
586
00:24:18,177 --> 00:24:20,212
from the middle to the side.
587
00:24:20,313 --> 00:24:23,015
LYDIC: The next four years
were a whirlwind of campaigning,
588
00:24:23,115 --> 00:24:24,583
lawyering, cheerleading,
589
00:24:24,684 --> 00:24:26,919
extorting, treasoning
and insurrectioning.
590
00:24:27,019 --> 00:24:30,289
By the time it was over,
Giuliani lost his law license,
591
00:24:30,389 --> 00:24:31,791
several gallons of hair dye,
592
00:24:31,891 --> 00:24:34,593
a variety of electronic devices
seized by the FBI
593
00:24:34,694 --> 00:24:36,996
and most of all, his dignity.
594
00:24:37,129 --> 00:24:39,532
Hi. It's Rudy Giuliani,
and I'm on Cameo.
595
00:24:39,632 --> 00:24:41,600
In a pay-for-play scheme!
596
00:24:43,603 --> 00:24:46,138
LYDIC:
But Rudy is still oozing on,
597
00:24:46,238 --> 00:24:48,240
enjoying life to the fullest.
598
00:24:48,341 --> 00:24:49,775
Maybe even too much.
599
00:24:49,875 --> 00:24:51,877
I don't think I've ever done
an interview drunk.
600
00:24:51,978 --> 00:24:55,348
I-I have, uh, sometimes...
I mean, I drink normally.
601
00:24:55,448 --> 00:24:56,882
I like Scotch. I drink Scotch.
602
00:24:56,983 --> 00:24:58,050
NEWSWOMAN:
So you do not believe
603
00:24:58,150 --> 00:24:59,552
that you have
a drinking problem?
604
00:24:59,652 --> 00:25:02,221
(chuckles): I... No, I don't
only believe it. I know I'm not.
605
00:25:02,321 --> 00:25:04,857
I know Prince Andrew
is very, uh, questionable now.
606
00:25:04,957 --> 00:25:06,258
I never went out with him.
607
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,660
Ever.
608
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,229
Never.
Never had a drink with him.
609
00:25:10,329 --> 00:25:13,366
Never was with a woman
or a young girl with him.
610
00:25:13,466 --> 00:25:14,634
Ever, ever, ever.
611
00:25:14,734 --> 00:25:17,069
One time,
I met him in my office,
612
00:25:17,169 --> 00:25:18,671
and one time
when we had the party.
613
00:25:18,771 --> 00:25:20,239
Right, Bernie? You were there.
614
00:25:20,339 --> 00:25:22,908
LYDIC: Yes, whether he's
standing tall through 9/11
615
00:25:23,009 --> 00:25:25,711
or a blood alcohol level
of .911,
616
00:25:25,811 --> 00:25:27,980
Rudy Giuliani is a born leader
617
00:25:28,114 --> 00:25:31,117
making his mark
wherever he goes,
618
00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:34,387
one that no stain remover
can ever take away.
619
00:25:34,487 --> 00:25:35,821
(cheering and applause)
620
00:25:35,921 --> 00:25:37,290
All right, when we come back,
Katie Couric
621
00:25:37,390 --> 00:25:39,625
will be joining on the show,
so don't go away.
622
00:25:39,725 --> 00:25:41,761
(cheering and applause)
623
00:25:50,471 --> 00:25:52,506
(cheering and applause)
624
00:25:54,942 --> 00:25:56,210
My guest tonight
625
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:58,879
is one of the most prominent
journalists in America.
626
00:25:58,979 --> 00:26:01,215
She's here to talk
about the news, business,
627
00:26:01,315 --> 00:26:02,983
information, misinformation,
628
00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:05,552
and her best-selling memoir,
Going There.
629
00:26:05,652 --> 00:26:07,621
Please welcome Katie Couric!
630
00:26:07,721 --> 00:26:09,757
-♪ ♪
-(cheering and applause)
631
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:15,362
Welcome. Welcome to the show.
632
00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:24,672
-Hello.
-Katie Couric,
633
00:26:24,772 --> 00:26:25,606
-welcome to The Daily Show.
-I've learned--
634
00:26:25,706 --> 00:26:27,374
I-I have two observations.
635
00:26:27,474 --> 00:26:30,544
I've never been so happy
to have gone through menopause.
636
00:26:30,644 --> 00:26:33,080
-(laughing)
-And, uh...
637
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:35,215
-Oh, wow.
-And I need to get in touch...
638
00:26:35,315 --> 00:26:36,684
I need to get in touch
639
00:26:36,784 --> 00:26:38,786
with Kimberly Guilfoyle's
speaker bureau.
640
00:26:38,886 --> 00:26:39,787
-Right?
-Right?
641
00:26:39,887 --> 00:26:41,522
-Two minutes, $60,000?
-Wow.
642
00:26:41,622 --> 00:26:43,157
-That-that's quite a thing.
-Yeah, it was riveting,
643
00:26:43,257 --> 00:26:44,992
-as we saw.
-(laughs)
644
00:26:45,092 --> 00:26:47,061
Let's talk about the book.
Going There.
645
00:26:47,161 --> 00:26:49,930
You take us through so many
aspects of being Katie Couric.
646
00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:52,132
You talk us through
your eating disorders.
647
00:26:52,232 --> 00:26:55,302
You talk us through sexism in
the news business and in media.
648
00:26:55,402 --> 00:26:58,038
You talk us through
the-the difficulties of news
649
00:26:58,138 --> 00:26:59,573
and understanding
what your role is
650
00:26:59,673 --> 00:27:01,375
-and your responsibilities
as a journalist. -Right.
651
00:27:01,475 --> 00:27:04,044
That's what I liked. You know,
we-we live in a world where,
652
00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:06,413
these days,
people are afraid to be human.
653
00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:08,816
People are afraid
to-to show their flaws,
654
00:27:08,916 --> 00:27:10,217
-to show...
-Or mit-- admit their mistakes,
655
00:27:10,317 --> 00:27:11,719
-you know?
-Exactly. And...
656
00:27:11,819 --> 00:27:13,887
Y-You know, one of
the-the most vulnerable moments
657
00:27:13,987 --> 00:27:16,490
in this book is when you're
talking about your interview
658
00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:19,493
with Supreme Court Justice
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
659
00:27:19,593 --> 00:27:22,496
And you talk about how, in the--
in the-- in an interview,
660
00:27:22,596 --> 00:27:23,797
you sat down with her,
661
00:27:23,897 --> 00:27:25,833
you asked her
about Colin Kaepernick,
662
00:27:25,933 --> 00:27:27,901
and she basically s--
663
00:27:28,001 --> 00:27:29,136
You said what is her opinion,
664
00:27:29,236 --> 00:27:31,105
and-and, to paraphrase,
she basically said,
665
00:27:31,205 --> 00:27:33,207
"I think what he's doing is dumb
and-and...
666
00:27:33,307 --> 00:27:36,210
-irresponsible"? Yeah.
-Yeah. Disgusting or-- Yeah.
667
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:38,946
And you now had to decide
whether or not
668
00:27:39,046 --> 00:27:41,081
to put that in the interview
after her team called
669
00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:42,983
and said
she misunderstood the question.
670
00:27:43,083 --> 00:27:44,651
-Yeah. -Talk me-- talk me
through a moment like that.
671
00:27:44,752 --> 00:27:46,420
Because you're a journalist.
672
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,390
You are presenting to the public
what has happened,
673
00:27:49,556 --> 00:27:50,991
but you also have
this responsibility
674
00:27:51,091 --> 00:27:53,293
-to present what has happened in
the most accurate way. -Right.
675
00:27:53,394 --> 00:27:55,295
How-how do you find
that balance?
676
00:27:55,396 --> 00:27:57,965
So, I was interviewing her
about a book she had written.
677
00:27:58,065 --> 00:28:00,801
So, generally,
when you're doing that, and
678
00:28:00,901 --> 00:28:02,803
when you have the opportunity
to actually talk
679
00:28:02,903 --> 00:28:05,939
to a Supreme Court justice,
you try to think of,
680
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,677
is there any news of day that
you can get their reaction to.
681
00:28:09,777 --> 00:28:13,080
So, you know, you have
to kind of slip those in
682
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:15,115
because that's really not
what you're there
683
00:28:15,215 --> 00:28:16,617
to talk to her about.
684
00:28:16,717 --> 00:28:19,053
So I was interested
in hearing her views
685
00:28:19,153 --> 00:28:20,487
about Colin Kaepernick.
686
00:28:20,587 --> 00:28:22,356
So I said,
"What do you think about it?"
687
00:28:22,456 --> 00:28:24,491
And I think
what people misunderstood
688
00:28:24,591 --> 00:28:27,061
who reported about this is,
689
00:28:27,161 --> 00:28:29,930
I put in about two minutes
of her response.
690
00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:32,232
You know,
you have these ethical dilemmas,
691
00:28:32,332 --> 00:28:35,602
and people, you know, make
judgments on a regular basis.
692
00:28:35,636 --> 00:28:37,371
-Right. Right.
-They just don't talk about them
693
00:28:37,471 --> 00:28:39,606
-transparently,
as I was willing to do. -Right.
694
00:28:39,707 --> 00:28:43,610
And so, I remember feeling,
"Gosh, what is my obligation?
695
00:28:43,677 --> 00:28:46,246
Should I use everything?"
696
00:28:46,347 --> 00:28:49,983
Should I be careful because
part of it was confusing,
697
00:28:50,084 --> 00:28:51,819
-and I wasn't sure
what she meant? -Yeah.
698
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:54,888
So I made a decision,
and I still wonder
699
00:28:54,988 --> 00:28:56,557
if I made the right decision.
700
00:28:56,590 --> 00:28:59,093
In retrospect, I probably
just should have put
701
00:28:59,193 --> 00:29:01,762
the entire statement out
and let people come
702
00:29:01,862 --> 00:29:03,831
to the conclusion
they wanted to.
703
00:29:03,931 --> 00:29:08,168
As it was, her office had
to issue an apology.
704
00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:11,005
-So it's not like
I didn't run any of it. -Yeah.
705
00:29:11,105 --> 00:29:14,441
And I think I wrote about it
because I still question
706
00:29:14,575 --> 00:29:15,809
if I did the right thing.
707
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:17,845
And I think that's something
708
00:29:17,945 --> 00:29:20,581
that, if journalists talked
more openly
709
00:29:20,681 --> 00:29:23,017
about
the decision-making process
710
00:29:23,117 --> 00:29:24,885
and how they approach a subject,
711
00:29:24,985 --> 00:29:26,887
it would be more transparent
712
00:29:26,987 --> 00:29:28,956
and it would be more helpful,
I think, to the public.
713
00:29:29,056 --> 00:29:30,958
What do you think changed
over the years,
714
00:29:31,058 --> 00:29:32,459
in America, specifically?
715
00:29:32,593 --> 00:29:34,261
Because you were part
of a generation
716
00:29:34,361 --> 00:29:36,697
who was reporting on the news.
You were making these decisions.
717
00:29:36,797 --> 00:29:39,299
And yet, there wasn't an erosion
of trust in the media
718
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,734
and in the news
because of these decisions.
719
00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:44,505
And yet, now, it seems like
everyone doesn't believe
720
00:29:44,605 --> 00:29:47,207
that there is any good intention
behind any journalist
721
00:29:47,307 --> 00:29:48,642
in what they're choosing
to cover.
722
00:29:48,742 --> 00:29:50,411
What do you think changed?
723
00:29:50,544 --> 00:29:52,346
Well, I think it's the
proliferation of media outlets.
724
00:29:52,446 --> 00:29:56,984
I think it's more
agenda-driven news organizations
725
00:29:57,084 --> 00:30:01,021
that are focused in using
commentary instead of reporting.
726
00:30:01,121 --> 00:30:03,223
Now, if you look at cable
and prime time,
727
00:30:03,323 --> 00:30:04,992
-it's-it's commentary.
-Right. Yes.
728
00:30:05,092 --> 00:30:07,861
It's not reporting the facts,
it's not like watching the BBC
729
00:30:07,961 --> 00:30:09,563
or PBS NewsHour.
730
00:30:09,596 --> 00:30:12,166
It's people expressing
their opinions.
731
00:30:12,266 --> 00:30:16,070
And so I think that has
eroded trust in the media.
732
00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:19,606
Plus, anybody in their basement
can throw things on social media
733
00:30:19,707 --> 00:30:23,577
and-and-- and then
it can basically
734
00:30:23,677 --> 00:30:27,081
just spread like wildfire,
and they say what-- uh,
735
00:30:27,181 --> 00:30:29,283
when it comes to disinformation,
736
00:30:29,383 --> 00:30:32,252
uh, a lie goes around
the world in a nanosecond
737
00:30:32,353 --> 00:30:35,289
while the truth doesn't
even have time to tie its shoes.
738
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:37,091
When-when you
look at your journey,
739
00:30:37,191 --> 00:30:39,193
you've gone back into
journalism in a different way.
740
00:30:39,293 --> 00:30:41,595
For instance, on your podcast,
you know, you've been
741
00:30:41,662 --> 00:30:43,997
covering really in-depth stories
742
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about the-the-- the diminishing
access to health care
743
00:30:47,634 --> 00:30:49,002
-for many women
around the country. -Right.
744
00:30:49,103 --> 00:30:51,672
Obviously, thanks to,
you know, abortion restrictions
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00:30:51,772 --> 00:30:53,874
-around the U.S. as a whole.
-Yeah.
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00:30:53,974 --> 00:30:56,010
Why did you go back into it
and what are you
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00:30:56,110 --> 00:30:59,546
trying to reveal to Americans
they may not already know?
748
00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:02,549
So, I just did a six-part
podcast that's being dropped
749
00:31:02,649 --> 00:31:06,320
in the next-- uh, the second one
is being dropped tomorrow on--
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00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:08,655
called
"Abortion: The Body Politic."
751
00:31:08,756 --> 00:31:10,657
I feel like there's
so much information
752
00:31:10,758 --> 00:31:12,559
coming at us fast and furiously.
753
00:31:12,659 --> 00:31:16,397
I've always, uh, really
appreciated the opportunity
754
00:31:16,563 --> 00:31:19,333
to connect the dots
and let people understand
755
00:31:19,433 --> 00:31:23,270
sort of the arc of history
and how we got where we are,
756
00:31:23,370 --> 00:31:24,772
and those are the things
757
00:31:24,872 --> 00:31:27,141
I'm just really
passionate about.
758
00:31:27,241 --> 00:31:30,577
And with modern media, you know,
you can say all you want
759
00:31:30,678 --> 00:31:34,081
about social media and the ills
of social media,
760
00:31:34,181 --> 00:31:37,284
but it does allow you to,
like brands do,
761
00:31:37,384 --> 00:31:39,887
-direct to consumer access.
-Yes.
762
00:31:39,987 --> 00:31:42,256
So, like, when January 6th
happened, I called Mary Trump.
763
00:31:42,356 --> 00:31:44,858
I think I was the first
if not, you know,
764
00:31:44,958 --> 00:31:46,593
I was one of the first,
if not the first,
765
00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:48,829
interviews she did,
and it's gotten, like,
766
00:31:48,929 --> 00:31:52,099
well over three million views
on social media.
767
00:31:52,199 --> 00:31:55,302
So disintermediation,
as they call it,
768
00:31:55,402 --> 00:31:58,639
allows me to just go directly
to news consumers
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00:31:58,739 --> 00:32:01,608
without working for "The Man."
770
00:32:03,544 --> 00:32:06,213
And-- and, basically,
you know,
771
00:32:06,313 --> 00:32:09,583
being the boss of me, and
if I want to talk to someone,
772
00:32:09,683 --> 00:32:12,086
Trevor, for a half an hour,
even 45 minutes,
773
00:32:12,186 --> 00:32:14,355
an hour about gun violence
774
00:32:14,455 --> 00:32:17,558
and why nothing has been done
to reduce gun violence
775
00:32:17,658 --> 00:32:19,660
in this country, I can do it.
776
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,596
I'm 65 years old.
I'm the boss of me.
777
00:32:22,696 --> 00:32:25,799
I run my own show,
and I can speak out
778
00:32:25,899 --> 00:32:28,001
about the need
for sensible gun laws,
779
00:32:28,102 --> 00:32:29,803
and I can be an activist.
780
00:32:29,903 --> 00:32:31,739
And everyone
should be an activist...
781
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:33,874
(cheering and applause)
782
00:32:34,975 --> 00:32:36,744
...before...
783
00:32:36,844 --> 00:32:39,747
before they have a fourth grader
784
00:32:39,847 --> 00:32:41,915
killed in his or her class
785
00:32:42,016 --> 00:32:43,917
or before they have
a grandparent
786
00:32:44,018 --> 00:32:46,787
-killed buying a quart of milk.
-Right.
787
00:32:46,887 --> 00:32:49,289
-Right? -Speak out before
as opposed to afterwards.
788
00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:52,593
Yeah. So,
I feel incredibly liberated
789
00:32:52,693 --> 00:32:54,528
doing what I'm doing,
790
00:32:54,561 --> 00:32:56,096
and I have a daily newsletter
791
00:32:56,196 --> 00:32:59,199
that, uh, you know,
I can turn my lens
792
00:32:59,299 --> 00:33:01,535
on the issues
that I think are important
793
00:33:01,635 --> 00:33:03,337
and really talk about them.
794
00:33:03,437 --> 00:33:05,539
So, I'm having a ball,
basically.
795
00:33:05,639 --> 00:33:07,074
-(cheering and applause)
-(chuckles)
796
00:33:07,174 --> 00:33:09,176
You can feel it in the book.
You can see it in your smile.
797
00:33:09,276 --> 00:33:10,878
-Thank you so much for
joining me on the show. -Yeah.
798
00:33:10,978 --> 00:33:12,746
-Great to see you.
-Congratulations on everything.
799
00:33:12,846 --> 00:33:14,214
-Thank you, Trevor.
-There's everything.
800
00:33:14,314 --> 00:33:16,450
There's the podcast,
there's the book,
801
00:33:16,550 --> 00:33:18,385
the-the Instagram Lives.
802
00:33:18,552 --> 00:33:19,820
Katie's memoir Going There
803
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,422
comes out in paperback
June 28th,
804
00:33:21,555 --> 00:33:23,390
and be sure to check out
the podcast, as well.
805
00:33:23,557 --> 00:33:25,059
We're gonna take a quick break,
but we'll be right back
806
00:33:25,159 --> 00:33:26,860
-after this.
-(cheering and applause)
807
00:33:32,444 --> 00:33:34,479
(cheering and applause)
808
00:33:36,748 --> 00:33:37,882
Well, that's our show
for tonight.
809
00:33:37,983 --> 00:33:39,951
But before we go, before we go,
810
00:33:40,051 --> 00:33:42,754
please consider supporting
Out Youth.
811
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:44,723
They are an organization
that serves
812
00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:48,526
Central Texas LGBTQIA+ youth
and their allies
813
00:33:48,626 --> 00:33:50,128
with programs and services
814
00:33:50,228 --> 00:33:52,030
to ensure that
these promising young people
815
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:54,532
develop into happy, healthy,
successful adults.
816
00:33:54,632 --> 00:33:56,668
Out Youth hosts
a variety of programs
817
00:33:56,768 --> 00:33:58,536
and provides training
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818
00:33:58,636 --> 00:34:00,572
teachers and community members
free of charge.
819
00:34:00,672 --> 00:34:02,874
So, if you can,
please donate at the link below.
820
00:34:02,974 --> 00:34:04,542
Until tomorrow,
stay safe out there.
821
00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:06,611
And remember, in a tough market,
822
00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:08,680
there's one thing
that does hold value:
823
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:09,881
your friendships.
824
00:34:09,981 --> 00:34:11,349
So sell those now
and make some money.
825
00:34:11,449 --> 00:34:14,853
Sell them now. Now here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
826
00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:17,122
MAN:
There's an important decision
827
00:34:17,222 --> 00:34:19,157
in New York's race for governor.
828
00:34:19,257 --> 00:34:21,860
Okay, Mr. Astorino,
what's your favorite smell?
829
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,296
MAN: Can you smell
what the gov is cooking?
830
00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:27,198
-Smell?
-KRAMER: Smell.
831
00:34:27,298 --> 00:34:28,433
My wife's hair.
832
00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:30,769
MAN: That's what a psychopath
would say.
833
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:33,371
You know what? I think it's
that fresh dew in the morning
834
00:34:33,538 --> 00:34:34,706
when you walk outside.
835
00:34:34,806 --> 00:34:36,941
MAN:
Wake up and smell the bullshit.
836
00:34:37,042 --> 00:34:39,978
This stinks to high heaven.
837
00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:41,279
Victory. November 8th.
838
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:44,049
MAN:
"Victory"? What a dick.
839
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:47,452
-My wife's perfume.
-MAN: Also super creepy.
840
00:34:47,552 --> 00:34:50,255
Smell you later, candidates.