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it's The Daily Show!
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I'm Trevor Noah!
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Take a seat, take a seat.
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We have got a jam-packed show
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So much news.
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President Biden
has declared a war on gravity,
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corporations are gay for Pride,
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and someone special is following
all of you on TikTok.
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So, let's do this, people.
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Let's jump straight
into today's headlines.
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All right.
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Let's kick things off
with TikTok,
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the world's biggest
social media site
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and the app
that proves Americans
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can read subtitles just fine
when they want to.
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Yeah.
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Hundreds of millions
of people around the world
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use TikTok every day.
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Because, I mean,
what else are you gonna do
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while you're pooping, right?
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But what many TikTok users
might not realize
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is TikTok is owned
by a Chinese company.
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And now we're finding out
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that while you're watching
videos of people dancing,
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China might be watching you.
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Leaked audio from
social media company TikTok's
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internal meeting suggests
that Beijing
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has repeatedly accessed data
from users here in the U.S.
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NEWSWOMAN:
The recording suggests
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that TikTok is falling down
on its promise
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to wall off Americans' data
from its Chinese parent company,
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with one
of the app's researchers
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telling colleagues...
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Oh, no.
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China's secretly watching
all of us on TikTok?
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Now they're gonna know our money
doesn't jiggle, jiggle--
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it folds!
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But, yeah,
based on these audio leaks,
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it looks like TikTok's
parent company in China
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actually does have access
to our private data,
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which means
the Chinese government
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probably has access
to our private data.
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Which is scary,
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'cause TikTok knows everything
about you.
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Yeah. It tracks what you watch,
what you like,
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and then it only shows you
that stuff.
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Like, if you asked me
to see my "For You" page,
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I'd be like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa,
that's too personal."
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Yeah.
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Just look at my nudes instead.
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Actually, that's a mini Coke.
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And that's why, if you remember,
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Donald Trump was trying to ban
TikTok a couple of years ago.
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Right? Because
the U.S. government realized
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that China could use this
as a tool to influence Americans
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and also because Eric
kept trying
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to send him friend requests.
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And, you know,
it's a little crazy
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how we're so hooked
on social media
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that governments don't even need
to steal our data anymore.
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Right?
We'll just give it to them.
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Like, back in the day, they'd
have to hack into a database
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or break into
the Social Security Building.
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Now we're just giving it to them
for free.
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And I blame myself. Yeah.
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I'm part of this problem.
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I also took part in that
Personal Information Challenge.
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That was a big mistake.
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I hope I go viral.
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All right, let's move on
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from all the data
that you're putting into TikTok
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to all the data that's coming
out of the January 6 hearings,
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the investigation
that will somehow result
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in less punishment
than the Oscars slap.
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Last week, we learned mostly
about how Trump knew
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that he had lost.
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Then we learned about how
Mike Pence almost got hanged.
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And today's session was
all about how President Trump
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and his allies tried
to pressure state officials
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to sign on
to his various schemes
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for overturning the election,
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everything from throwing out
Biden votes
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to creating slates
of fake electors
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to even eating the Constitution
really fast
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before anyone could look up
the election laws.
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And one of the people
Trump depended on most
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in this pressure campaign
was Rudy Giuliani,
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his personal lawyer
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and final boss
in a Resident Evil game.
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Unfortunately, it seemed like no
one wanted to take Rudy's calls.
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Pennsylvania
House Speaker Bryan Cutler
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received daily voice mails
from Trump's lawyers
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in the last week of November.
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Cutler felt that the outreach
was inappropriate
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and asked his lawyers to tell
Rudy Giuliani to stop calling,
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but Giuliani continued
to reach out.
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I understand that you don't want
to talk to me now.
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Oh, wow. That's desperate.
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Yeah, Rudy made
so many unanswered calls,
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the iPhone just started
labeling him as spam. Yeah.
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And not just his calls.
His body. It's 90% spam.
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And can we acknowledge
what a fall this has been? Huh?
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This man went
from being an American hero
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to now sounding like
a telemarketer selling a coup.
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"If you order now,
I'll throw in that chair
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"Abraham Lincoln
is sitting on. Yeah.
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Hello? Hello? Hello?"
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And you know,
this is just another example
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of how historic
President Trump really was.
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Any other time in U.S. history
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if the president's lawyer
called someone,
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they would take that call.
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But when Trump's vampire lawyer
called people,
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everyone was, like,
"Tell him I'm not here!
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"Yeah, tell him
I went camping, and I died!
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"A bear. A bear ate my face.
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Tell him I'm not here!"
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Also, not that I'm encouraging
it, 'cause I'm not,
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but if you are going
to try and overturn an election,
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maybe don't leave voice mails?
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(laughter)
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It's a paper trail.
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Also, it's 2022. Text.
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Who leaves voice mails?
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You realize
how thirsty you're coming off?
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(voice breaking):
"Hey, it's me again."
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(laughter)
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Come on, Rudy.
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Just hit 'em
with a quick late-night,
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"You up?
For subverting democracy?"
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Eggplant emoji, red hat emoji,
vampire emoji.
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-(laughter)
-Come on, Rudy.
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(applause and cheering)
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Keep up with the times!
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All right, but let's move on.
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It has now been almost a month
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since the tragic school shooting
in Uvalde.
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And while shootings
like this are always traumatic,
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this particular one
has been made worse
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by how the police
in Uvalde have responded, right?
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They didn't go in, they waited
for an hour, and then,
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they even stopped parents from
trying to save their own kids.
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And if that wasn't bad enough,
they've been trying
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to block information
about that day from coming out.
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And each time,
more information comes out,
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we learn why.
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NEWSWOMAN: This morning,
the first surveillance image
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from inside
Robb Elementary emerges.
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The photo showing multiple
police officers
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standing inside the building
with rifles,
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and at least
one ballistic shield,
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19 minutes
after the gunman entered.
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This despite school police chief
Pete Arredondo's original claim
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that the officers
weren't properly armed
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to take down the gunman
at that point.
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Officers didn't enter the
classroom and kill the shooter
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until 58 minutes later.
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The state's director
of public safety, Steven McCraw,
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testifying before lawmakers,
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blasting law enforcement's
response
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as his department's
investigation
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uncovers new evidence
about the massacre.
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He says officers were waiting
for keys to enter,
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but investigators finding
the door couldn't be locked
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from the inside and saying
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that officers never even
tried opening it.
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Yeah, you know, this story just
keeps getting worse and worse.
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Every single time
we learn something,
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it gets worse and worse.
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We already knew
that they waited far too long
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to confront the shooter.
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But now,
we found out that they lied
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about not having enough weapons
to go in.
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Because it turns out,
they had assault rifles,
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they had body armor
and ballistic shields.
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So I'm sorry.
What were they waiting for--
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the invisible star from Mario?
What was that? Huh?
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Get the (bleep) in the room!
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Like, how did they not go in?
You know?
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Which is, by the way, another
thing that we've learned.
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They didn't even try
to get in the classroom.
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They didn't even try.
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They told everyone
that they had to wait
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for a key
because the door was locked,
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but the door wasn't locked.
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They just never tried
to open it?
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Which-which is ridiculous.
Even people waiting outside,
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like, a locked bathroom at
Starbucks will jiggle the handle
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after two minutes, just
to be sure-sure. They'll try.
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But it turns out these cops
couldn't do, what--
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like, what-what the dinosaurs
in Jurassic Park
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took five minutes to learn--
they couldn't do that?
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Just that?
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And you know what's insane
about this whole story
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is how the one time--
the one time it would have been
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appropriate to go in
guns blazing,
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the cops decide
to have a picnic outside. Yeah.
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But if you're Black or you have
a broken taillight--
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oh, then, all of a sudden,
they go all Rambo on your ass.
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"Aah! We're coming in!
We're coming in!"
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It's another reminder
that you-you can't just
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trust what the police say.
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Like, this is one of
the clearest reminders.
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Yes, they're police.
Yes, you respect them.
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But it doesn't mean
you just trust
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every single thing that they say
after an incident.
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Journalists shouldn't be
reporting what the police said,
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they should be investigating
what actually happened.
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Because time and time again,
time and time again,
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-(cheering, applause)
-we learn that cops in America--
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they basically use
the same principle as toddlers.
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They'll tell the truth,
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but only if it doesn't
get them in trouble.
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"No, Mommy, the cookies tried to
eat me. I was just responding.
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"And, no, my body camera
wasn't working.
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Yeah, I turned it off."
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All right, finally, let's
move on to some lighter news.
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A lot of exciting stuff
happened this weekend.
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Drake dropped
a surprise new album.
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Beyoncé dropped a new single.
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And, not to be outdone,
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President Biden
had a drop of his own.
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A scare for
President Biden today
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when he fell off his bicycle
in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware.
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The 79-year-old was
stopping to talk to reporters
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when you see there his foot
got caught in the pedal guard
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as he was
dismounting his bike.
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He quickly got to his feet.
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Later, on his way out of church,
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the president repeated
that he was doing just fine
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and hopped in place
several times to prove it.
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Oh, President Biden.
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That-that's just embarrassing.
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He was just standing,
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and the bike fell over.
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And, you know,
it's actually too bad,
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because before he fell over,
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he was looking
kind of good. Yeah.
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All of us were like,
"Wow, look at him
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riding that bike.
And he's 80 years old?"
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And then he stops and falls,
and we're like,
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"Oh, yeah.
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He's 80 years old.
He's 80 years old."
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And, you know, it's not just
the falling off of the bike
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that isn't moving, but it's
the fact that he thought that
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hopping was gonna
reassure Americans
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that he's still got it.
You know?
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That little-- No, 'cause
you can see-- you can see,
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when he was hopping, in his
mind, he looked like Creed.
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He was like, "Yeah,
look at me go. Look at me go."
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When, in fact,
his hopping looked like--
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You know when someone
is trying to escape a kidnapper
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who tied their legs together?
It was like that.
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Now, apparently,
the reason he fell is because
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his foot got caught
in the pedal cage.
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And, knowing America,
that means that right now
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that bicycle is already
at Guantanamo Bay.
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Who do you work for?!
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The Taliban?
China? Russia?
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Kamala?
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Ah, the silent treatment, huh?
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Okay, that's how
you want to play it?
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Well, you better
start talking soon,
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or by the time
I'm done with you,
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you'll be a one-speed.
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(bell rings)
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Don't get smart with me,
you asshole!
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Still, though,
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falling down is always
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an embarrassing thing
to happen to anyone,
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never mind a president.
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Which is why former president,
Donald Jolly Trump--
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he made sure to weigh in.
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One of the greatest
travesties of all
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is to see a person
in the White House who,
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even after years
of political experience,
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has absolutely no clue
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how to be the president
of the United States.
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And I hope
he has recovered because,
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as you know,
he fell of his bicycle today.
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No, I'm serious.
I hope he's okay.
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Fell off a bicycle.
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I make this pledge
to you today:
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I will never, ever
ride a bicycle.
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(laughter and applause)
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Every bicycle in the world
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breathed
a collective sigh of relief.
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"He's not gonna ride us, guys.
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He's not gonna ride us.
Thank God."
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All right,
that's it for the headlines,
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but, before we go
to a quick break,
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let's check in
on the stock market
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with our finance expert
Michael Kosta, everybody!
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(cheering and applause)
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-Michael, good to see you again.
-Nice to see you.
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What's, uh, what's happening
in the market today, Mike?
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-Well, I am crushing
the markets. -Yeah, so you say,
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-Mike.
-I mean, today I am crushing.
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And I got a hot tip.
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I got a hot tip for you,
I got a hot tip for you,
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and I got a hot tip for you,
so pay attention.
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So, uh, this chart...
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Actually before that,
President Biden, you know,
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falling off a stopped bicycle.
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-Yeah.
-I mean, he did the hard stuff.
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You know, he did the hard stuff.
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That'd be like
if you were getting ready
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to go skydiving,
and-and you do the training,
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you pack your bag,
you pack your parachute,
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you get in the airplane,
you take off,
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you jump out at 30,000 feet,
you pull the rip cord,
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the parachute opens,
you land safely,
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you disconnect the parachute
from your bag,
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you-you take a deep breath,
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and you pull out a knife
and stab yourself in the head.
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-I mean, what?
-(laughter)
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All right, what's going on
in the market, Mike?
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-Let's get to the chart.
Okay. So... -Thank you.
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To the untrained eye
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such as yourself
and such as yourself,
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this looks like a stock chart,
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but actually, what this is
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is our confidence
in President Biden.
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Okay, now, this is when he fell
off a stopped bicycle, okay?
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And it went low.
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This scared the hell out
of all of us, okay?
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Now, these three little dips
right here,
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that's when he did those,
you know, three little jumps.
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(laughter and applause)
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Is he gonna break his leg?
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Is he gonna pull a hamstring?
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Is he gonna tear his ACL?
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Now, once he got home,
sat in a chair,
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was surrounded
by Secret Service,
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the confidence began to rise.
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Speaking of rising, tech.
(whistles)
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Okay? Up big-time.
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S&P 500, okay?
This is tech if you don't know.
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"S&P" stands for
"surge and protectors," okay?
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And if you want to be successful
in tech,
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you need
at least 500 surge protectors
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to be a successful company.
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That's why
those small businesses
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that don't use
a lot of electricity
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never really seem to make it.
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Don't forget,
I'm an expert here, Trevor,
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-okay?
-Oh, yeah. Yeah, so you say.
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Yeah, speaking of tech, uh...
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And I got a hot tip coming
for you. Don't forget.
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-Michael, is the tip coming?
-No, it's gonna come.
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-Just pay... It's gonna come.
-All right.
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Uh, so,
that TikTok story, right?
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-The China one. Yeah.
-That's wild. Yeah, China.
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I mean, what does China think
we are as Americans,
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just so lazy
that all we care about
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are followers, you know,
and not our own privacy?
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A-And it's subjects like that
that I talk about
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at my TikTok, @MichaelKosta_.
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Make sure you give it a follow.
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Now, don't forget,
that was leaked audio.
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-Right.
-We know about this
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because of TikTok's
leaked audio, right?
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Audio that I did
a lip sync video to
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on my TikTok,
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which is @MichaelKosta_.
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Make sure you follow and like.
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Now, look, if you're
as outraged about this as I am,
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I think we all need
to send a message
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to the Beijing authorities,
okay?
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So,
here's how we're gonna do that.
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Grab your phone
and your computer.
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Go to http://tiktok.com.
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-Oh, no.
-Okay?
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00:16:26,253 --> 00:16:29,857
And you find MichaelKosta_.
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Follow me.
Go to one of my videos,
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leave a message,
and we will not be silenced,
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and I will
let Beijing know that.
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Okay, got it.
Ready for the hot tip?
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-Can we... Yeah, can we...
-Ready for the hot tip? Okay.
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Instead of trying to get you
followers on TikTok,
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-let's just get to the... Yes.
-I've been giving
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a lot of hot tips,
and frankly, I'm sick and tired
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of giving these hot tips away
for free.
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So I left mine today
on my TikTok page,
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-@MichaelKosta_.
-Mike...
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You won't regret it.
Thanks for the follow, Trevor.
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00:16:51,812 --> 00:16:53,146
Okay, sounds good.
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00:16:53,247 --> 00:16:55,449
(cheering and applause)
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00:16:55,549 --> 00:16:56,950
I feel like that was a waste
of our time.
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All right, don't go away,
'cause when we come back,
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Dulcé Sloan will tell us
how corporate America
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learned to love gay people.
You don't want to miss it.
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(cheering and applause)
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(cheering and applause)
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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June is Pride Month,
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or, as it's called
in the state of Florida, Shh.
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But while you're out there
celebrating Pride,
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don't forget that some
of its biggest supporters
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weren't always on its side.
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For more,
we turn to Dulcé Sloan
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for another installment
of Dul-sayin'.
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♪ ♪
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Hello, friends.
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It's June, which means
it's the first month of the year
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where it's just hot enough
outside to not be sexy.
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But, in America,
we know June also means
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Gay Pride Month!
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So I want to wish everyone
a happy Pride.
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00:18:02,594 --> 00:18:04,196
And I'm not the only one.
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This year, it feels like
every damn company with a logo
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is going full rainbow.
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00:18:09,768 --> 00:18:11,103
You've probably seen these ads,
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00:18:11,203 --> 00:18:13,839
like Burger King offering
Whoppers with two top buns
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00:18:13,939 --> 00:18:15,340
and two bottom buns.
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00:18:15,441 --> 00:18:17,710
Listen, it's still bread,
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00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:20,579
and every gay man I know is
not eating bread in the summer.
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00:18:20,646 --> 00:18:23,148
They're doing keto and crunches
until October.
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00:18:23,248 --> 00:18:25,317
But don't forget--
companies weren't always jumping
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00:18:25,417 --> 00:18:28,253
on the Pride float, looking like
a Lisa Frank Trapper Keeper.
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00:18:28,354 --> 00:18:31,924
When the gay rights movement
first began in 1969,
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most companies were too afraid
to advertise to gay people.
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00:18:35,494 --> 00:18:38,597
They didn't want to "offend"
the rest of America,
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especially
religious conservatives.
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00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:43,102
They were so uptight, they
thought pretzels were too sexy.
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00:18:43,202 --> 00:18:46,605
All those twists.
Oh, it's so sinful!
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00:18:46,705 --> 00:18:50,342
So companies kept
their distance, except for...
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Absolut Vodka.
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00:18:52,611 --> 00:18:54,313
Absolut was one
of the first big companies
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to market to the queer community
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00:18:56,382 --> 00:18:58,083
because those Swedes
don't give a shit
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00:18:58,183 --> 00:19:00,319
about the religious right.
They were, like,
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00:19:00,419 --> 00:19:01,954
"Who cares
if the right doesn't like us?
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All they drink is milk."
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00:19:03,655 --> 00:19:07,493
So thanks to Absolut
for being a true ally.
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♪ ♪
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00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:16,969
Ooh! That's a good year.
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I didn't drink
the whole thing because
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I got a work meeting
after this,
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00:19:20,572 --> 00:19:22,808
and they say
I got to be sober this time.
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00:19:22,908 --> 00:19:25,044
(exhales)
Anyway,
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as gay people became
more visible in society,
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00:19:27,780 --> 00:19:30,983
some advertisers slowly started
reaching out into the community
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until the AIDS epidemic blew up.
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00:19:33,085 --> 00:19:35,754
That sent companies fleeing
for the hills again.
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00:19:35,854 --> 00:19:38,590
"Oh, no. What if the gays look
at our ads?"
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00:19:38,691 --> 00:19:41,193
Wait. Is that how you get AIDS?
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00:19:41,293 --> 00:19:43,128
But you know
what company doubled down
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on their advertising during
the AIDS crisis? That's right.
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00:19:47,299 --> 00:19:49,768
Absolut Vodka!
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♪ ♪
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Mmm!
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00:19:55,507 --> 00:19:57,509
(burping)
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The second half got a kick.
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00:19:59,278 --> 00:20:01,046
Damn. All right.
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Where was I? Right.
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00:20:02,514 --> 00:20:05,184
By the 1990s, the
queer community had once again
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fought its way
into greater acceptance.
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00:20:07,386 --> 00:20:10,422
So brands once again tried
to dip their toes
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00:20:10,522 --> 00:20:13,325
into the pool party,
but they were still too nervous
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00:20:13,425 --> 00:20:15,227
to jump all the way in.
478
00:20:15,327 --> 00:20:17,463
So American advertising
entered a phase
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00:20:17,563 --> 00:20:20,432
now known as "gay vague."
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00:20:20,566 --> 00:20:22,835
Which sounds a lot
like being in a fraternity.
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00:20:22,935 --> 00:20:24,403
Basically,
it was companies hinting
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00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:27,139
at possible homosexuality.
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00:20:27,239 --> 00:20:29,742
Like this Volkswagen ad, where
two dudes are driving in a car,
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00:20:29,842 --> 00:20:32,478
and they pick up this dirty-ass
chair off the sidewalk.
485
00:20:32,578 --> 00:20:35,414
So the ad leaves it
open to interpretation.
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Are they roommates?
Are they lovers?
487
00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:40,019
Are they roommate-lovers?
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00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,087
Because that's the worst
kind of hookup.
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00:20:42,187 --> 00:20:43,455
You got to wait for them
to text you back
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00:20:43,589 --> 00:20:45,324
and finish up in the bathroom?
491
00:20:45,424 --> 00:20:47,626
Now, a few times
during this era, a brand
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00:20:47,726 --> 00:20:49,028
tried to make
an outright gay ad,
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00:20:49,128 --> 00:20:52,631
like Benetton and Ikea,
and the ad completely
494
00:20:52,731 --> 00:20:54,033
won over the religious right
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00:20:54,133 --> 00:20:56,835
and they apologized
for everything.
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00:20:56,935 --> 00:20:59,471
(laughs) Psych!
497
00:20:59,605 --> 00:21:02,441
One Ikea in Long Island
even got a bomb threat.
498
00:21:02,608 --> 00:21:04,610
What is wrong with
these religious fanatics?
499
00:21:04,676 --> 00:21:07,613
They know the furniture
isn't gay, right?
500
00:21:07,713 --> 00:21:11,016
Plus, if there's one place that
can reassemble after a bombing,
501
00:21:11,116 --> 00:21:12,551
it's an Ikea.
502
00:21:12,618 --> 00:21:14,453
Unfortunately
for the religious right
503
00:21:14,553 --> 00:21:17,623
but luckily for everyone else,
their time was ending.
504
00:21:17,723 --> 00:21:21,026
Over the next two decades,
Americans started to realize
505
00:21:21,126 --> 00:21:24,563
that gay people were just
the same as everyone else,
506
00:21:24,596 --> 00:21:26,165
except with better ads.
507
00:21:26,265 --> 00:21:29,201
And as popular opinion improved,
companies finally
508
00:21:29,301 --> 00:21:32,471
felt it was "safe enough"
to take gay money.
509
00:21:32,571 --> 00:21:35,007
And this time,
it was major brands.
510
00:21:35,107 --> 00:21:37,676
Amazon started advertising
to gay people.
511
00:21:37,776 --> 00:21:40,412
Coca-Cola aired a commercial
with two dads
512
00:21:40,579 --> 00:21:41,647
during the Super Bowl,
513
00:21:41,747 --> 00:21:45,017
and Just Salad even had
a Big Gay Salad,
514
00:21:45,117 --> 00:21:48,253
which, come on--
that was just a regular salad.
515
00:21:48,354 --> 00:21:50,189
At least toss
some glitter in it.
516
00:21:50,289 --> 00:21:53,459
And that brings us to today,
when practically every company
517
00:21:53,592 --> 00:21:54,960
does Pride Month marketing.
518
00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:58,197
But just because every June
a business acts like they're
519
00:21:58,297 --> 00:22:01,066
auditioning for Joseph and the
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat,
520
00:22:01,166 --> 00:22:04,470
it doesn't mean their values
line up with their tweets.
521
00:22:04,603 --> 00:22:06,338
Take AT&T, for example.
522
00:22:06,438 --> 00:22:10,175
They love to show everyone
how much they support pride,
523
00:22:10,275 --> 00:22:12,344
while also giving
one million dollars
524
00:22:12,444 --> 00:22:15,547
to anti-LGBTQ politicians
and PACs.
525
00:22:15,647 --> 00:22:18,650
Or how retailers like H&M
are launching Pride collections
526
00:22:18,751 --> 00:22:20,686
with items made in countries
527
00:22:20,786 --> 00:22:22,821
that criminalize homosexuality,
528
00:22:22,921 --> 00:22:24,390
which is another reason
529
00:22:24,556 --> 00:22:27,659
wearing this ugly-ass top
should be a crime.
530
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,927
And they aren't
the only hypocrites
531
00:22:29,028 --> 00:22:31,130
donating to anti-queer causes,
532
00:22:31,230 --> 00:22:33,632
but hey,
why go through all the trouble
533
00:22:33,732 --> 00:22:35,267
of listing them here?
534
00:22:35,367 --> 00:22:37,136
I'm no hater.
535
00:22:37,236 --> 00:22:39,271
♪ ♪
536
00:22:42,875 --> 00:22:44,576
Oh, and that one, too. Okay.
537
00:22:44,676 --> 00:22:47,680
Are we done? This...
538
00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:50,215
This is making me sad.
539
00:22:50,315 --> 00:22:53,052
The point is
enjoy all those gay Whoppers
540
00:22:53,152 --> 00:22:54,286
and pink Toyotas,
541
00:22:54,386 --> 00:22:57,189
but don't forget
what this month is about.
542
00:22:57,289 --> 00:23:00,392
Pride is a time to celebrate
the right to love who you want
543
00:23:00,492 --> 00:23:03,829
and to honor the people
who fought to give us that right
544
00:23:03,929 --> 00:23:07,466
back when no brand
was on their side.
545
00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,036
Except for Absolut.
546
00:23:11,136 --> 00:23:13,238
Mmm!
547
00:23:13,338 --> 00:23:15,040
You know,
one of those gay Whoppers
548
00:23:15,140 --> 00:23:17,776
sounds real good about now.
549
00:23:17,876 --> 00:23:19,945
I'm dizzy.
550
00:23:20,045 --> 00:23:21,914
-♪ ♪
-(cheering and applause)
551
00:23:22,014 --> 00:23:23,449
Thank you so much for that,
Dulcé Sloan.
552
00:23:23,549 --> 00:23:25,718
All right, when we come back,
Katy Tur will be joining us
553
00:23:25,818 --> 00:23:27,286
on the show.
You don't want to miss it.
554
00:23:27,386 --> 00:23:29,421
(cheering and applause)
555
00:23:38,764 --> 00:23:40,799
(cheering and applause)
556
00:23:44,903 --> 00:23:46,171
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
557
00:23:46,271 --> 00:23:49,074
My guest tonight
is an award-winning journalist
558
00:23:49,174 --> 00:23:50,809
and MSNBC anchor
559
00:23:50,909 --> 00:23:53,545
who writes about chasing news
at an early age
560
00:23:53,645 --> 00:23:56,114
and her pioneering
helicopter journalist parents
561
00:23:56,214 --> 00:23:58,817
in her new memoir called
Rough Draft.
562
00:23:58,917 --> 00:24:00,886
Please welcome Katy Tur.
563
00:24:00,986 --> 00:24:03,021
-♪ ♪
-(cheering and applause)
564
00:24:07,659 --> 00:24:10,662
-Welcome back.
-Hello! Thank you for having me.
565
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,902
Katy Tur,
welcome back to the show.
566
00:24:17,002 --> 00:24:19,338
Thank you so much for having me.
It's exciting to be here.
567
00:24:19,438 --> 00:24:21,974
It is-- It's exciting
to have you because, you know,
568
00:24:22,074 --> 00:24:24,810
your last book went on to become
a New York Times bestseller.
569
00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:26,812
-Congratulations on that. -Thank
you. Thank you. -(hooting)
570
00:24:26,912 --> 00:24:28,547
-(laughs)
-(cheering and applause)
571
00:24:28,647 --> 00:24:31,550
I feel like this book
has-has the same in store
572
00:24:31,650 --> 00:24:33,352
and I think
for a slightly different reason.
573
00:24:33,452 --> 00:24:35,153
You know, many people
have seen you on MSNBC.
574
00:24:35,253 --> 00:24:36,755
People have seen you
on the campaign trail
575
00:24:36,855 --> 00:24:38,190
covering Donald Trump
and, you know,
576
00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:40,092
changing what you do
on your show these days.
577
00:24:40,192 --> 00:24:43,628
But this book takes us through
578
00:24:43,729 --> 00:24:45,964
-one of the most harrowing
childhoods... -(laughs)
579
00:24:46,064 --> 00:24:48,100
...that's filled with,
you know, moments of joy,
580
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,368
moments of pain,
581
00:24:49,468 --> 00:24:51,336
-moments of terror, really.
-Yeah.
582
00:24:51,436 --> 00:24:54,106
And I think let's-let's start at
the beginning to situate people.
583
00:24:55,207 --> 00:24:56,875
Everyone talks
about helicopter parents,
584
00:24:56,908 --> 00:25:00,879
but y-you mean actual helicopter
parents when you...
585
00:25:00,912 --> 00:25:02,080
-(stammers) -No, no,
and I mean-- Everyone goes,
586
00:25:02,180 --> 00:25:03,915
"Oh, h-he..."
No, you had helicopter parents.
587
00:25:04,016 --> 00:25:05,083
Just explain that for the people
588
00:25:05,183 --> 00:25:06,251
-to understand, please.
-My parents--
589
00:25:06,351 --> 00:25:08,487
-My dad was a helicopter pilot.
-Right.
590
00:25:08,587 --> 00:25:12,290
-And my parents had a helicopter
news-gathering company. -Mm-hmm.
591
00:25:12,391 --> 00:25:14,693
And I grew up in the helicopter.
592
00:25:14,793 --> 00:25:16,428
I spent more time
in the helicopter
593
00:25:16,528 --> 00:25:18,563
than I did in my own bed.
594
00:25:18,664 --> 00:25:22,067
I would fly the helicopter
alongside my dad.
595
00:25:22,167 --> 00:25:24,403
I developed
an unhealthy obsession
596
00:25:24,503 --> 00:25:26,238
with backyard pools,
597
00:25:26,338 --> 00:25:27,806
because, in Los Angeles,
598
00:25:27,906 --> 00:25:31,076
everybody had a backyard pool,
it seemed, except me.
599
00:25:31,176 --> 00:25:33,045
And you were just the person
in the helicopter.
600
00:25:33,145 --> 00:25:35,714
(stammers) You know, what's
interesting about your story is,
601
00:25:35,814 --> 00:25:39,084
in many ways, I feel like
it tracks news in America.
602
00:25:39,184 --> 00:25:40,852
You know,
where you were as a child,
603
00:25:40,886 --> 00:25:42,454
you were at
what many would argue
604
00:25:42,554 --> 00:25:44,956
was the beginning of the 20-h--
24-hour news cycle.
605
00:25:45,057 --> 00:25:47,492
-Yeah. Yeah. -The O.J. chase--
that was your dad.
606
00:25:47,592 --> 00:25:50,128
-And my mom, yeah. -Right.
Following that-that, you know?
607
00:25:50,228 --> 00:25:52,097
And then your mom is there.
Everyone's working.
608
00:25:52,197 --> 00:25:54,433
-The cameras...
-My mom is hanging out
609
00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:57,002
of the helicopter
with a camera on her shoulder,
610
00:25:57,102 --> 00:25:59,738
quite literally,
just strapped in with a belt,
611
00:25:59,871 --> 00:26:01,340
looking down at the ground,
612
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,076
which is 1,500 feet below her.
613
00:26:04,176 --> 00:26:06,712
The O.J. chase, they-they were
the first ones to get that.
614
00:26:06,878 --> 00:26:08,613
The Reginald Denny beating
during the riots,
615
00:26:08,714 --> 00:26:10,749
the L.A. Riots, the guy that got
pulled out of the red truck
616
00:26:10,882 --> 00:26:13,185
and beaten to within
an inch of his life.
617
00:26:13,285 --> 00:26:16,254
Any police pursuit you saw
in Los Angeles in the '90s
618
00:26:16,355 --> 00:26:18,023
and the late '80s...
619
00:26:18,123 --> 00:26:20,125
Madonna giving
the camera the bird
620
00:26:20,225 --> 00:26:22,127
-on her wedding day
to Sean Penn? -It's wild.
621
00:26:22,227 --> 00:26:24,529
-My parents shot that.
-(laughter)
622
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:26,698
-(applause)
-It feels like, in many ways,
623
00:26:26,798 --> 00:26:28,900
that was the, um...
624
00:26:28,934 --> 00:26:31,570
I don't want to say, like,
your parents invented that,
625
00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:33,171
but that was sort of
their style.
626
00:26:33,271 --> 00:26:35,173
You know, that was a thing
that became synonymous with...
627
00:26:35,273 --> 00:26:37,175
So they did... Well, they did
sort of invent it, actually.
628
00:26:37,275 --> 00:26:39,111
So, they were...
If they didn't cover
629
00:26:39,211 --> 00:26:41,680
-the very first police pursuit,
it was the second. -Yes.
630
00:26:41,847 --> 00:26:44,116
And they were the ones
that popularized it.
631
00:26:44,216 --> 00:26:47,486
They were the ones that changed
the way news was covered
632
00:26:47,586 --> 00:26:49,254
in Los Angeles,
and then, the country,
633
00:26:49,354 --> 00:26:50,722
and then,
you could argue, the world.
634
00:26:50,856 --> 00:26:52,858
It was breaking, in the moment,
and it was now, now, now.
635
00:26:52,891 --> 00:26:56,261
-Yes. -No context needed,
blow out everything,
636
00:26:56,361 --> 00:26:58,864
and cover this
for as long as we can.
637
00:26:58,897 --> 00:27:00,866
-You know, it was an easy
decision going forward. -Mm-hmm.
638
00:27:00,966 --> 00:27:03,135
Whatever was happening,
it didn't matter.
639
00:27:03,235 --> 00:27:05,237
If there was a chase going on,
go to that chase.
640
00:27:05,337 --> 00:27:07,205
-People will watch.
-It feels like
641
00:27:07,306 --> 00:27:10,242
there's one part of us
that's, like, eternally grateful
642
00:27:10,342 --> 00:27:12,978
to your parents for, you know,
starting this trend,
643
00:27:13,078 --> 00:27:14,613
and "Oh, we get
to see what's happening."
644
00:27:14,713 --> 00:27:16,181
On the other hand, it feels like
645
00:27:16,281 --> 00:27:19,117
this became the drug
that news became addicted to.
646
00:27:19,217 --> 00:27:21,086
It is a double-edged sword
'cause they captured things
647
00:27:21,186 --> 00:27:22,621
that you were not supposed
to see.
648
00:27:22,721 --> 00:27:26,091
They captured the police
brutally beating immigrants
649
00:27:26,191 --> 00:27:27,626
on the side of the highway.
650
00:27:27,726 --> 00:27:29,661
I mean, stuff that the police
would have gotten away with
651
00:27:29,761 --> 00:27:31,396
-had my parents not been there.
-Exactly. Right.
652
00:27:31,496 --> 00:27:33,165
So, they did
some incredible things,
653
00:27:33,265 --> 00:27:37,836
and they won all the awards that
there are to win, but they...
654
00:27:37,903 --> 00:27:40,639
You could say, arguably,
that they were responsible
655
00:27:40,739 --> 00:27:42,574
for the downfall of local news,
656
00:27:42,674 --> 00:27:44,109
maybe the downfall
of national news,
657
00:27:44,209 --> 00:27:48,046
-the addiction
to reality TV as news. -Yes.
658
00:27:48,146 --> 00:27:51,483
And I do think
you could draw a straight line
659
00:27:51,583 --> 00:27:53,719
from the way
we covered pursuits back then
660
00:27:53,852 --> 00:27:56,555
to the way
we covered Donald Trump in 2016,
661
00:27:56,655 --> 00:27:58,290
and the way
we cover politics now.
662
00:27:58,390 --> 00:28:00,292
Yeah, it seems like
it's all about the now,
663
00:28:00,392 --> 00:28:02,327
it's all about what's unfolding.
664
00:28:02,427 --> 00:28:04,396
-Nobody takes time anymore...
-Don't digest it.
665
00:28:04,496 --> 00:28:06,064
-Yes.
-Just put it on the air.
666
00:28:06,164 --> 00:28:08,066
Do you ever feel pressure as a
journalist to be in that space?
667
00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:10,035
Because you're on MSNBC,
it is 24 hours,
668
00:28:10,135 --> 00:28:11,603
everything is happening live.
How do you...?
669
00:28:11,703 --> 00:28:12,938
How do you find that balance
670
00:28:13,038 --> 00:28:14,873
between waiting
for more information
671
00:28:14,906 --> 00:28:16,475
whilst also telling the people
what's happening?
672
00:28:16,575 --> 00:28:18,477
I think we're learning
in real time right now,
673
00:28:18,577 --> 00:28:20,879
and I do think we are learning
from our mistakes.
674
00:28:20,912 --> 00:28:23,782
Um, I write about in this book
the Barr summary,
675
00:28:23,882 --> 00:28:25,117
uh, you know,
when A.G. Barr came out,
676
00:28:25,217 --> 00:28:27,319
and he gave the summary
677
00:28:27,419 --> 00:28:28,887
-of the Mueller Report,
which was... -Yes.
678
00:28:28,987 --> 00:28:30,889
Ended up being weeks before
the Mueller Report came out.
679
00:28:30,922 --> 00:28:33,558
And so, he gives us
the summary on a Sunday,
680
00:28:33,659 --> 00:28:36,628
-and it is misleading,
as we know right now. -Right.
681
00:28:36,728 --> 00:28:39,031
It didn't have any
of the underlying evidence.
682
00:28:39,131 --> 00:28:41,867
But because we were
covering it live, live, live,
683
00:28:41,967 --> 00:28:45,304
we went to air with it,
and essentially became a pawn
684
00:28:45,404 --> 00:28:47,172
in a political document
685
00:28:47,272 --> 00:28:49,608
that then had a head start
for the truth,
686
00:28:49,708 --> 00:28:51,376
in front of the truth for weeks.
687
00:28:51,476 --> 00:28:53,612
The problem that we face
right now is that
688
00:28:53,712 --> 00:28:56,982
there's a part of the country
that has demonized journalists
689
00:28:57,082 --> 00:29:00,752
-Yes. -and has said that
we only report one thing,
690
00:29:00,852 --> 00:29:02,688
we only want the outcome
to be a certain way.
691
00:29:02,854 --> 00:29:04,656
So, say we didn't
go up with the Barr report
692
00:29:04,756 --> 00:29:07,559
and other people did--
Fox News did,
693
00:29:07,659 --> 00:29:10,862
or other outlets on the right,
Breitbart, etcetera--
694
00:29:10,929 --> 00:29:12,631
and we didn't and we said
"We're gonna wait until
695
00:29:12,731 --> 00:29:15,200
we get the full context of it,"
they would have used that
696
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,736
as fodder to say,
"Hey, listen, we're not gonna
697
00:29:17,869 --> 00:29:19,438
report on something that
was good for Donald Trump."
698
00:29:19,538 --> 00:29:22,140
Right, it's damned if you do,
damned if you don't.
699
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,710
There's another part of the book
that I-I feel is
700
00:29:24,876 --> 00:29:27,412
particularly pertinent, not just
because of the month we're in,
701
00:29:27,512 --> 00:29:29,781
not just because of the time
we're in, but because of,
702
00:29:29,881 --> 00:29:31,883
I think, life and relationships
as a whole,
703
00:29:31,984 --> 00:29:34,086
and it's about you talking about
your relationship
704
00:29:34,186 --> 00:29:36,588
with your father,
who transitioned
705
00:29:36,688 --> 00:29:39,224
and came out as transgender.
706
00:29:39,324 --> 00:29:42,828
I don't think I've-I've read
an account from a person
707
00:29:42,894 --> 00:29:46,498
that is as personal
as-as yours is.
708
00:29:46,598 --> 00:29:49,968
Because you talk about being
raised by a father who was,
709
00:29:50,068 --> 00:29:52,838
you know, suff--
struggled with rage, just like,
710
00:29:52,938 --> 00:29:55,874
real anger towards you, it was
an abusive household to be in,
711
00:29:55,974 --> 00:29:57,709
you were terrified as a child,
712
00:29:57,843 --> 00:30:01,113
and then you have this moment
where your dad says,
713
00:30:01,213 --> 00:30:04,683
"Hey, no, I'm now 'she'
and call me Hannah,"
714
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:06,652
and it becomes
this whole journey
715
00:30:06,752 --> 00:30:09,321
and then asks you
to throw away the old memories
716
00:30:09,421 --> 00:30:13,025
of another person
and just live with somebody new.
717
00:30:13,125 --> 00:30:15,127
It's a-it's a very,
like, layered question,
718
00:30:15,227 --> 00:30:18,130
but what do you think
we can all learn
719
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:20,632
or what-- how did you navigate
what has to be
720
00:30:20,732 --> 00:30:22,134
one to have
the most confusing issues
721
00:30:22,234 --> 00:30:23,702
-happening in society today?
-It was
722
00:30:23,869 --> 00:30:25,671
very confusing in the moment.
And the--
723
00:30:25,771 --> 00:30:29,141
What made it confusing is that,
um, life is complicated.
724
00:30:29,241 --> 00:30:31,610
And-and childhoods
are complicated.
725
00:30:31,710 --> 00:30:34,313
And mine was
especially complicated
726
00:30:34,413 --> 00:30:36,381
for distinct reasons.
727
00:30:36,481 --> 00:30:38,817
I loved my childhood.
728
00:30:38,884 --> 00:30:41,620
It was so much fun,
and there was so much love
729
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,021
within my family,
730
00:30:43,121 --> 00:30:45,824
but it was also
incredibly scary at times.
731
00:30:45,891 --> 00:30:48,327
My dad, as you said,
would fly into rages.
732
00:30:48,427 --> 00:30:50,462
Uh, there would be holes
in the walls of our house
733
00:30:50,562 --> 00:30:52,464
that we, as little kids,
734
00:30:52,564 --> 00:30:54,933
would plaster over to cover up.
735
00:30:55,033 --> 00:30:57,836
Um, you know, I hid in
the bathroom one time for hours
736
00:30:57,936 --> 00:31:00,305
because I was afraid
of what my dad might do.
737
00:31:00,405 --> 00:31:02,341
Um, he threw things
at my mother.
738
00:31:02,441 --> 00:31:06,044
And then, when he called me--
and I use "he"
739
00:31:06,144 --> 00:31:07,346
very specifically,
because in that moment
740
00:31:07,446 --> 00:31:09,748
-Right, right.
-my dad was still "he" to me--
741
00:31:09,848 --> 00:31:13,218
when he called to say,
"I'm not a he, I'm a she.
742
00:31:13,318 --> 00:31:15,620
My name is not Bob Tur.
Bob Tur is dead."
743
00:31:15,721 --> 00:31:17,923
Literally, "Bob Tur is dead"
is what he said.
744
00:31:18,023 --> 00:31:20,359
Um, "I'm Hannah,
and we can throw away
745
00:31:20,459 --> 00:31:23,228
"everything that happened in
the past. All of that is gone.
746
00:31:23,328 --> 00:31:26,531
That's where the rage came from.
The rage will now be gone."
747
00:31:26,632 --> 00:31:28,300
I had a hard time with that.
748
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,436
And it-it--
Because of the-- of the content
749
00:31:31,536 --> 00:31:34,072
-of what my dad was telling me,
-Mm-hmm.
750
00:31:34,172 --> 00:31:36,742
and the fact that my dad
had been living this lie
751
00:31:36,875 --> 00:31:40,712
for so long, it made it
even harder to-to navigate
752
00:31:40,812 --> 00:31:42,481
because, on the one hand,
753
00:31:42,581 --> 00:31:45,250
-how awful for my dad.
-Right.
754
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:48,353
How horrible to have
to live a lie for that long
755
00:31:48,453 --> 00:31:49,921
and to not be your true self.
756
00:31:50,022 --> 00:31:53,558
And-and of course that's gonna
make you a wound up person,
757
00:31:53,659 --> 00:31:56,528
and it's gonna... it's gonna
break you in some ways.
758
00:31:56,628 --> 00:31:59,064
But you were also my father,
759
00:31:59,164 --> 00:32:01,833
and you were also somebody
who has done
760
00:32:01,867 --> 00:32:04,303
a lot of bad things to us
761
00:32:04,403 --> 00:32:07,439
and me, my mother,
762
00:32:07,539 --> 00:32:11,343
and I can't
just throw that away.
763
00:32:11,443 --> 00:32:14,146
-Right.
-I-I don't have the ability
764
00:32:14,246 --> 00:32:16,014
to just forget those memories.
765
00:32:16,114 --> 00:32:19,518
And I tried to bring that up,
766
00:32:19,618 --> 00:32:22,154
and it just didn't go well.
It didn't go well.
767
00:32:22,254 --> 00:32:23,488
My dad didn't want
to confront it,
768
00:32:23,588 --> 00:32:26,958
and I didn't want to let it go,
and so now...
769
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:31,630
Now we're estranged,
and it sucks.
770
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:33,131
I think what I appreciated most
about it
771
00:32:33,231 --> 00:32:35,667
was it took an issue
772
00:32:35,767 --> 00:32:37,536
that many people are trying
773
00:32:37,636 --> 00:32:41,206
to, uh,
turn into this homogenous blob,
774
00:32:41,306 --> 00:32:43,241
and it showed us
how many individuals
775
00:32:43,342 --> 00:32:44,409
are involved in all the stories.
776
00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:46,078
You know,
people talk about trans people
777
00:32:46,178 --> 00:32:48,814
as if it is one human being
that is doing certain things
778
00:32:48,914 --> 00:32:50,282
or they talk about gay people
as if...
779
00:32:50,382 --> 00:32:52,484
And this showed you
there are many stories,
780
00:32:52,584 --> 00:32:54,052
there are many people,
there are many complications...
781
00:32:54,152 --> 00:32:55,654
-People are people.
-People are people.
782
00:32:55,821 --> 00:32:57,856
-Yeah. -Yeah.
It's a really fascinating book.
783
00:32:57,956 --> 00:32:59,725
Um, you-you shared so much.
784
00:32:59,825 --> 00:33:01,560
I think everybody's
really gonna love reading it
785
00:33:01,660 --> 00:33:04,129
for journalism, for life,
for families, for everything.
786
00:33:04,229 --> 00:33:05,731
Thank you so much
for joining me on the show.
787
00:33:05,831 --> 00:33:07,633
-Thank you so much.
-I appreciate you.
788
00:33:07,733 --> 00:33:11,236
Katy Tur's memoir Rough Draft
is available now,
789
00:33:11,336 --> 00:33:13,438
and be sure to watch
Katy Tur Reports on MSNBC.
790
00:33:13,538 --> 00:33:14,706
We're gonna take a quick break,
791
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,475
but we'll be right back
after this.
792
00:33:16,575 --> 00:33:18,610
(cheering and applause)
793
00:33:25,025 --> 00:33:27,260
(cheering and applause)
794
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,096
Well, that's our show
for tonight, but before we go,
795
00:33:30,196 --> 00:33:32,132
before we go,
please consider donating
796
00:33:32,232 --> 00:33:34,901
to the National
Black Justice Coalition.
797
00:33:35,001 --> 00:33:36,803
Since 2003, they have been
798
00:33:36,903 --> 00:33:39,139
America's leading national
civil rights organization
799
00:33:39,239 --> 00:33:40,607
advocating for federal policies
800
00:33:40,707 --> 00:33:42,976
that fight against racism
and homophobia.
801
00:33:43,076 --> 00:33:45,378
So, if you can,
please donate at the link below
802
00:33:45,478 --> 00:33:46,947
to help them reach their vision
of a world
803
00:33:47,047 --> 00:33:48,715
where all people
are fully empowered
804
00:33:48,815 --> 00:33:50,784
to participate safely,
openly and honestly
805
00:33:50,884 --> 00:33:54,054
in family, faith and community
regardless of race, class,
806
00:33:54,154 --> 00:33:56,289
gender identity
or sexual orientation.
807
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:58,291
Until tomorrow,
stay safe out there.
808
00:33:58,391 --> 00:34:00,227
And remember,
if you're on TikTok,
809
00:34:00,327 --> 00:34:02,362
dance like China's watching.
810
00:34:02,462 --> 00:34:05,198
Now here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
811
00:34:05,298 --> 00:34:08,268
Have you ever seen a president
812
00:34:08,368 --> 00:34:12,505
who refuses to accept blame
813
00:34:12,606 --> 00:34:14,708
and, I want to add to that,
814
00:34:14,808 --> 00:34:17,777
commits so many falsehoods?
815
00:34:17,877 --> 00:34:21,014
I'm being very polite here
calling it falsehoods.
816
00:34:21,114 --> 00:34:22,449
Falsehoods.
817
00:34:22,549 --> 00:34:24,117
You know, on any given day,
818
00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:27,120
he's out there saying stuff
that just ain't true.
819
00:34:27,187 --> 00:34:28,888
You ever seen
anything like that?
820
00:34:30,523 --> 00:34:31,791
Never in my lifetime.
821
00:34:31,892 --> 00:34:33,927
♪ ♪