1 00:00:00,968 --> 00:00:02,236 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:02,336 --> 00:00:03,570 ANNOUNCER: Coming to you from New York City, 3 00:00:03,670 --> 00:00:07,508 the only city in America, it's The Daily Show. 4 00:00:07,608 --> 00:00:08,775 Tonight: 5 00:00:08,876 --> 00:00:12,079 the EPA can't EPA no more. 6 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:14,248 Veronica Ivy. 7 00:00:14,348 --> 00:00:16,917 And Moses Ingram. 8 00:00:17,017 --> 00:00:20,687 This is The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. 9 00:00:20,787 --> 00:00:22,823 -♪ ♪ -(cheering, applause) 10 00:00:32,766 --> 00:00:34,701 What's going on, everybody. Welcome to The Daily Show. 11 00:00:34,801 --> 00:00:37,137 I'm Trevor Noah. Thank you so much for tuning in. 12 00:00:37,237 --> 00:00:39,806 Thank you for coming out in person. 13 00:00:39,907 --> 00:00:43,110 This is it. Look at you. Look at you. Look at you. Take a seat. 14 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:45,345 Let's do it, everyone. Thanks for being here. 15 00:00:45,445 --> 00:00:47,781 We have got a jam-packed show for you tonight. 16 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:50,384 Prince Charles is balling out of control. 17 00:00:50,484 --> 00:00:53,754 Reparations are finally here for one Black family. 18 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:55,656 And the Supreme Court 19 00:00:55,756 --> 00:00:58,458 has learned the error of its ways and vowed to do better. 20 00:00:58,559 --> 00:00:59,760 Nah, I'm just kidding. They're gonna kill us all. 21 00:00:59,860 --> 00:01:01,061 So, let's do this, people. 22 00:01:01,161 --> 00:01:03,263 Let's jump straight into today's headlines. 23 00:01:03,363 --> 00:01:05,532 -♪ ♪ -(cheering, applause) 24 00:01:10,204 --> 00:01:13,073 Okay. Let's kick things off with the Supreme Court-- 25 00:01:13,173 --> 00:01:16,076 America's Got Talent but for laws and stuff. 26 00:01:16,143 --> 00:01:19,079 From the moment Amy Coney Barrett was sworn in, 27 00:01:19,179 --> 00:01:21,648 it was only a matter of time before the Supreme Court 28 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:24,351 started restoring America back to its factory settings. 29 00:01:24,451 --> 00:01:27,087 And in the last few weeks, they decided that 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,523 church and state should get a little cozier. 31 00:01:29,623 --> 00:01:31,525 They decided that America's real gun problem 32 00:01:31,625 --> 00:01:33,493 is that there aren't enough of them. 33 00:01:33,594 --> 00:01:36,496 And they decided that coochies are state property. 34 00:01:36,597 --> 00:01:39,099 And today, as they were 35 00:01:39,199 --> 00:01:42,402 closing out their term, they decided this. 36 00:01:42,503 --> 00:01:44,471 The big news out of the U.S. Supreme Court, 37 00:01:44,571 --> 00:01:46,507 the high court just handing down 38 00:01:46,607 --> 00:01:48,942 their final two decisions of this historic term. 39 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:51,311 First, a major environmental case, 40 00:01:51,411 --> 00:01:55,482 the court deciding six to three in favor of sharply curbing 41 00:01:55,582 --> 00:01:58,886 the EPA's authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. 42 00:01:58,986 --> 00:02:01,054 NEWSMAN: This is a big setback for the Biden administration 43 00:02:01,154 --> 00:02:03,957 for its efforts to restrict global warming. 44 00:02:04,057 --> 00:02:05,492 Wait, wait, what? 45 00:02:05,592 --> 00:02:07,561 The Supreme Court ruled that 46 00:02:07,661 --> 00:02:10,430 the Environmental Protection Agency 47 00:02:10,531 --> 00:02:12,766 does not have the authority 48 00:02:12,866 --> 00:02:14,902 to protect the environment? 49 00:02:16,503 --> 00:02:19,239 So, what is their job now? 50 00:02:19,339 --> 00:02:21,175 Just gonna look at the environment and be like, 51 00:02:21,275 --> 00:02:23,443 "Oh, shit! 52 00:02:23,544 --> 00:02:24,745 "All right, that was a good day at work. 53 00:02:24,845 --> 00:02:26,880 You guys want to get some drinks?" 54 00:02:28,248 --> 00:02:30,417 And by the way, I don't know if it's the same for you, 55 00:02:30,517 --> 00:02:33,120 it's always weird to me how the news in America 56 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:34,821 frames some of these stories, you know? 57 00:02:34,922 --> 00:02:37,191 Like, "This is a defeat for the Biden administration." 58 00:02:37,291 --> 00:02:39,927 It is a defeat for human life. 59 00:02:41,328 --> 00:02:45,098 It has nothing to do with Biden. 60 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:46,633 You realize if we don't get it under control, 61 00:02:46,733 --> 00:02:49,903 climate change is gonna wipe us off the planet. All right? 62 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:51,805 And still, these news anchors are gonna be underwater, like, 63 00:02:51,905 --> 00:02:54,842 (warbling): "Will the rising sea levels hurt the Democrats 64 00:02:54,942 --> 00:02:57,711 and help the Republicans in the midterms?" 65 00:02:58,812 --> 00:03:00,047 (regular voice): And by the way, by the way, 66 00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:01,882 just so you understand, this ruling might not 67 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:04,117 just be about the carbon emissions. 68 00:03:04,218 --> 00:03:07,054 A lot of experts believe the logic of today's ruling 69 00:03:07,087 --> 00:03:11,358 makes it harder for the government to regulate anything 70 00:03:11,458 --> 00:03:14,862 unless Congress specifically passes a law to do it. 71 00:03:14,962 --> 00:03:16,864 Because, you see, right now, a lot of regulations 72 00:03:16,964 --> 00:03:19,933 are made by agencies, like-like the FDA-- 73 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:21,401 they will handle, like, food, you know? 74 00:03:21,502 --> 00:03:23,270 The CDC with public health. 75 00:03:23,370 --> 00:03:27,074 Uh, the BRB with ignoring text messages. And... 76 00:03:27,174 --> 00:03:29,209 and I know these agencies aren't perfect-- don't get me wrong. 77 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:31,378 But could you imagine 78 00:03:31,478 --> 00:03:33,680 if Congress had to approve, 79 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:35,616 like, vaccines? 80 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:36,817 Imagine if you had to wait for them. 81 00:03:36,917 --> 00:03:38,385 It would have never happened. 82 00:03:38,485 --> 00:03:40,287 We'd still all be locked in our houses 83 00:03:40,387 --> 00:03:41,522 clapping out of our windows 84 00:03:41,622 --> 00:03:43,223 because Congress couldn't 85 00:03:43,323 --> 00:03:44,958 convince Marjorie Taylor Greene that needles 86 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:47,361 weren't actually a space alien conspiracy. 87 00:03:47,461 --> 00:03:50,631 Then where did they come from? 88 00:03:50,731 --> 00:03:52,432 The one thing that's clear is that 89 00:03:52,533 --> 00:03:56,103 from environmental regulations to abortion to guns 90 00:03:56,170 --> 00:03:59,139 to school prayer to voter rights, this is 91 00:03:59,239 --> 00:04:01,642 one of the most radical Supreme Courts 92 00:04:01,742 --> 00:04:03,310 in American history. 93 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:05,045 And by the way, people agree on that 94 00:04:05,145 --> 00:04:07,114 from across the political spectrum. 95 00:04:07,214 --> 00:04:10,584 You know? Rachel Maddow is like, "This is so radical." 96 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:14,588 And Sean Hannity is like, This is so radical! (whoops)" 97 00:04:16,156 --> 00:04:18,058 And they're also imposing their power on a country 98 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:20,260 that, for the most part, for the most part, 99 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,763 isn't on board with any of it. Right? 100 00:04:22,863 --> 00:04:25,732 Which is why many liberals are now calling for some 101 00:04:25,832 --> 00:04:28,202 major reforms, like adding more seats to the court 102 00:04:28,302 --> 00:04:30,437 or imposing term limits 103 00:04:30,537 --> 00:04:33,106 or setting up a trap for Brett Kavanaugh. 104 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:37,311 You never know. It might work. 105 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:39,680 But let's move on. 106 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:41,682 Let's move on from the people handing down the judgments 107 00:04:41,782 --> 00:04:43,083 to the people receiving them. 108 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:44,518 This week, we saw 109 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:47,087 two major sex trafficking cases come to an end. 110 00:04:47,154 --> 00:04:49,656 One was with R. Kelly, R & B legend 111 00:04:49,756 --> 00:04:51,758 and guy we wished had stayed trapped in a closet, 112 00:04:51,859 --> 00:04:53,961 and the other was Ghislaine Maxwell, 113 00:04:54,094 --> 00:04:55,796 windowless van in human form. 114 00:04:55,896 --> 00:04:57,631 And the good news is... the good news is 115 00:04:57,731 --> 00:04:59,099 they're gonna have a long time 116 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:01,134 to think about what they've done. 117 00:05:01,235 --> 00:05:03,270 Grammy-winning singer and songwriter R. Kelly 118 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:05,806 has been sentenced to 30 years in prison 119 00:05:05,906 --> 00:05:08,208 for racketeering and sex trafficking. 120 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,844 Kelly was convicted of running a criminal enterprise 121 00:05:10,944 --> 00:05:13,714 that recruited women and young girls for sex. 122 00:05:13,814 --> 00:05:15,048 20 years behind bars 123 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:18,118 for convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell. 124 00:05:18,218 --> 00:05:19,486 The 60-year-old was found guilty 125 00:05:19,586 --> 00:05:21,488 of conspiring with the late financier 126 00:05:21,588 --> 00:05:23,624 and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein 127 00:05:23,724 --> 00:05:26,860 to sexually abuse and traffic young girls. 128 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,763 Yeah, that's right. R. Kelly is getting 30 years in prison, 129 00:05:29,863 --> 00:05:32,065 and Ghislaine Maxwell is getting 20. 130 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:34,535 And once again, we see that women 131 00:05:34,635 --> 00:05:36,270 are only earning two-thirds of what men get. 132 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:37,437 (laughter and applause) 133 00:05:37,538 --> 00:05:40,574 Shame on you, America. Shame on you. 134 00:05:41,875 --> 00:05:43,177 She did all that work, 135 00:05:43,277 --> 00:05:46,246 and Jeffrey Epstein, a man, still got all the credit. 136 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,515 Not to mention, she gets sentenced for 20 years 137 00:05:48,615 --> 00:05:49,850 but, Jeffrey Epstein, he was in prison 138 00:05:49,950 --> 00:05:51,485 for, what, a few weeks? Huh? 139 00:05:51,585 --> 00:05:53,820 And then Hillary got him out? Huh? 140 00:05:53,921 --> 00:05:55,088 (audience groaning) 141 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:56,590 You know, what's crazy about this, 142 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:58,692 what's crazy about this thing is how everyone has 143 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:00,761 a conspiracy theory about Jeffrey Epstein 144 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:02,629 or who's gonna come for Ghislaine Maxwell. 145 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:04,598 Everyone. But what I've noticed is 146 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:06,800 it depends on what people's politics is. 147 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:09,036 Right? Some people, "It's gonna be Donald Trump." 148 00:06:09,069 --> 00:06:10,571 "It's gonna be Hillary that'll kill her." 149 00:06:10,671 --> 00:06:12,139 "It's gonna be the royal family. 150 00:06:12,239 --> 00:06:14,208 Illuminati." 151 00:06:14,308 --> 00:06:15,776 You know what I was thinking? Wouldn't it be funny 152 00:06:15,876 --> 00:06:17,845 if everyone was right? 153 00:06:17,945 --> 00:06:20,581 Like, what if all these powerful people were involved, 154 00:06:20,681 --> 00:06:23,050 and then, like, they all bump into each other 155 00:06:23,116 --> 00:06:25,752 on the way to Ghislaine Maxwell's cell. 156 00:06:25,853 --> 00:06:27,287 You know? They just get there, and it's like, 157 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,590 "Oh, my God, Crooked Hillary. 158 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:31,558 "What are you doing here? 159 00:06:31,658 --> 00:06:33,493 "Oh, were you also... So embarrassing. 160 00:06:33,594 --> 00:06:35,863 "I was gonna... Oh, and the queen, as well. 161 00:06:35,963 --> 00:06:37,831 What are you doing, Queen? It's an honor." 162 00:06:37,931 --> 00:06:40,501 She's like, "I'm just here to protect my embarrassing son. 163 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:41,835 You know what that's like, Donald." 164 00:06:41,935 --> 00:06:45,372 "Eric is not my son. He's not my son. 165 00:06:45,472 --> 00:06:47,741 Don't say that, Queenie." 166 00:06:47,841 --> 00:06:49,877 (cheering and applause) 167 00:06:51,512 --> 00:06:53,547 So, Ghislaine's "sentos"-- sentenced. 168 00:06:53,647 --> 00:06:55,482 R. Kelly's sentenced. And I'll tell you what. 169 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:57,584 Whichever prison R. Kelly is going to 170 00:06:57,684 --> 00:07:00,120 is getting a major upgrade. 171 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:02,155 Say what you want, that dude is gonna dominate 172 00:07:02,256 --> 00:07:03,457 the prison talent show. 173 00:07:03,557 --> 00:07:06,226 Yeah. I'm sorry. The guy who won last year? 174 00:07:06,326 --> 00:07:08,462 Nobody gives a shit about your juggling act now. 175 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:11,331 In fact, whichever prison R. Kelly goes to, 176 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:13,333 they better jack up the security, 177 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:15,035 'cause once R. Kelly sings, 178 00:07:15,135 --> 00:07:16,470 I don't care how much you hate him. 179 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:19,439 Nobody can stop. No one can stop themselves from dancing. 180 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:21,175 Yeah, he'll start singing "Step in the Name of Love," 181 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:22,309 and the guards are gonna be like... 182 00:07:22,409 --> 00:07:23,377 ♪ Step, step, side ♪ 183 00:07:23,477 --> 00:07:24,511 "Somebody stop him!" 184 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:25,512 ♪ Round and round ♪ 185 00:07:25,612 --> 00:07:26,613 "No!" 186 00:07:26,713 --> 00:07:28,215 ♪ Separate and bring it back ♪ 187 00:07:28,315 --> 00:07:29,883 ♪ Now let me see you do. ♪ 188 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:32,486 (cheering and applause) 189 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:34,821 Nobody can stop. 190 00:07:34,922 --> 00:07:37,124 By the way, I wish they would have given us that song 191 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:39,059 and taken R. Kelly with it. Like, the song is so... 192 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:40,093 They should've just said the song... 193 00:07:40,194 --> 00:07:42,062 The song did nothing. You-you... 194 00:07:42,162 --> 00:07:43,730 Could've adopted the song like a child. 195 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:45,432 "I'll look after this song." 196 00:07:45,532 --> 00:07:47,234 (laughter) 197 00:07:47,334 --> 00:07:48,669 But anyway, yeah. 198 00:07:48,769 --> 00:07:50,170 Justice has been served. 199 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:53,207 And let this be a lesson to other prominent sex traffickers. 200 00:07:53,307 --> 00:07:55,676 The law will catch up with you. 201 00:07:55,776 --> 00:07:57,411 After letting you totally get away with it 202 00:07:57,511 --> 00:07:59,246 for, like, 25 years. 203 00:07:59,346 --> 00:08:00,647 You watch out. 204 00:08:00,747 --> 00:08:02,049 You watch out. Doesn't matter. 205 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:03,283 (cheering and applause) 206 00:08:03,383 --> 00:08:04,785 R. Kelly, Ghislaine Maxwell, 207 00:08:04,885 --> 00:08:07,321 Jeffrey Epstein and the prince and... 208 00:08:07,421 --> 00:08:09,389 Oh, and speaking of the royal family, 209 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,458 this week, this week, 210 00:08:11,558 --> 00:08:13,460 we found out that Prince Charles, 211 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,263 the queen's slightly less embarrassing son, 212 00:08:16,363 --> 00:08:20,200 has a very unusual way of funding his charities. 213 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:22,169 Royal sources say tonight that Prince Charles 214 00:08:22,269 --> 00:08:24,304 will no longer personally handle 215 00:08:24,404 --> 00:08:27,674 large cash donations for his charities. 216 00:08:27,774 --> 00:08:29,142 NEWSWOMAN: The prince came under fire 217 00:08:29,243 --> 00:08:31,478 over reports he'd been handed a cash donation 218 00:08:31,578 --> 00:08:33,413 totaling three million euros, 219 00:08:33,514 --> 00:08:35,516 some of it stuffed into a suitcase 220 00:08:35,616 --> 00:08:37,251 from a former Qatari prime minister 221 00:08:37,351 --> 00:08:38,285 several years ago. 222 00:08:38,385 --> 00:08:39,386 NEWSWOMAN 2: Clarence House, 223 00:08:39,486 --> 00:08:40,621 which is where Prince Charles lives, 224 00:08:40,721 --> 00:08:42,289 says the money was all charitable donations. 225 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:45,125 Clarence House says it followed the correct processes 226 00:08:45,225 --> 00:08:46,593 regarding those donations. 227 00:08:46,693 --> 00:08:48,262 Royal officials say they dispute 228 00:08:48,362 --> 00:08:50,264 many of the details in that report. 229 00:08:50,364 --> 00:08:52,199 Yeah. So, in case you're a little bit lost, 230 00:08:52,299 --> 00:08:54,067 it turns out after an investigation, 231 00:08:54,134 --> 00:08:57,704 they found that Prince Charles had received suitcases 232 00:08:57,804 --> 00:09:00,374 full of cash from a Qatari, all right? 233 00:09:00,474 --> 00:09:02,242 And he was like, "This is for my charity" 234 00:09:02,342 --> 00:09:04,411 and now says, "I-I realize this was wrong 235 00:09:04,511 --> 00:09:06,346 and I will now no longer do it." 236 00:09:06,446 --> 00:09:07,548 But I... 237 00:09:07,648 --> 00:09:09,049 I love how they say 238 00:09:09,149 --> 00:09:13,187 Prince Charles will no longer accept suitcases full of cash, 239 00:09:13,287 --> 00:09:16,557 like he just realized this was a shady thing to do. 240 00:09:16,657 --> 00:09:19,760 He's like, "All right, all right, no cash in a suitcase. 241 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:23,197 "From now on, it's just bags of cocaine, okay? 242 00:09:23,297 --> 00:09:25,032 "What? No, not that? Okay, come on! 243 00:09:25,098 --> 00:09:27,301 "I can't do anything? Come on! 244 00:09:27,401 --> 00:09:28,836 -Come on!" -(cheering and applause) 245 00:09:29,803 --> 00:09:31,705 How you gonna act like this is the first time you figured tha-- 246 00:09:31,805 --> 00:09:32,806 Like, I don't care what it's for-- 247 00:09:32,906 --> 00:09:35,409 suitcase full of cash 248 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:36,944 is always shady. 249 00:09:38,278 --> 00:09:41,849 If your grandmother gives you five dollars for your birthday, 250 00:09:41,949 --> 00:09:44,718 but she slips it to you in a suitcase... 251 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:47,955 ...your grandmother's up to some shit. 252 00:09:49,923 --> 00:09:52,092 'Cause they say this was for Prince Charles' charity. 253 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:54,061 My only question is, what kind of charity is it 254 00:09:54,161 --> 00:09:56,530 that needs to be paid in all cash? 255 00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:57,865 Huh? 256 00:09:57,965 --> 00:10:00,067 What, has it got its headquarters in a strip club? 257 00:10:00,033 --> 00:10:01,034 Huh? 258 00:10:01,134 --> 00:10:02,769 Like, "This money will do a lot of help, 259 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:04,304 "uh, against poverty. 260 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:06,139 "Uh, in fact, here comes Poverty right now. 261 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,374 "Here you go, Poverty. 262 00:10:07,474 --> 00:10:09,209 "Shake that ass, girl. Shake it. 263 00:10:09,309 --> 00:10:11,278 Shake it, Poverty. Shake it." 264 00:10:11,378 --> 00:10:13,380 (cheering and applause) 265 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,182 And, you know, this is one of those things that shows you 266 00:10:15,282 --> 00:10:17,117 the difference between normal people 267 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:18,852 and really powerful people. 268 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:20,387 Right? Doesn't matter if it's Prince Charles 269 00:10:20,487 --> 00:10:22,089 or American politicians, 270 00:10:22,189 --> 00:10:23,657 African presidents. 271 00:10:23,757 --> 00:10:24,825 Right? They just get to say, 272 00:10:24,925 --> 00:10:26,527 "We made an error in judgment 273 00:10:26,627 --> 00:10:28,328 "and so we're gonna use this money 274 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:29,930 "to spend some time in St. Tropez thinking 275 00:10:30,030 --> 00:10:31,431 "about what we've done. 276 00:10:31,532 --> 00:10:32,466 We're so sorry." 277 00:10:32,566 --> 00:10:34,201 But as a regular person, 278 00:10:34,301 --> 00:10:36,837 if the government finds you with a suitcase full of cash 279 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:38,205 from anywhere, 280 00:10:38,305 --> 00:10:39,439 anywhere, 281 00:10:39,540 --> 00:10:40,941 there's no apologizing. 282 00:10:41,041 --> 00:10:42,709 Probably gonna end up with a front row seat 283 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:44,211 to one of those R. Kelly prison concerts. 284 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:45,212 That's where you'll be. 285 00:10:45,312 --> 00:10:47,381 ♪ Side to side, step... ♪ 286 00:10:47,481 --> 00:10:48,682 (cheering and applause) 287 00:10:48,782 --> 00:10:49,983 Don't play around. 288 00:10:51,185 --> 00:10:53,120 Okay, finally, 289 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:54,655 let's move on, let's move on 290 00:10:54,755 --> 00:10:58,659 to a good story about people getting tons of money. 291 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:00,861 Now, many people may or may not know this, 292 00:11:00,961 --> 00:11:03,063 but there was a time in America 293 00:11:03,096 --> 00:11:04,731 where Black people had their rights 294 00:11:04,831 --> 00:11:07,367 and property taken away from them. 295 00:11:07,467 --> 00:11:09,169 And it was a period known as 296 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:11,071 all of human history. 297 00:11:12,072 --> 00:11:15,375 A-And that may seem as a shock for many of you to hear, 298 00:11:15,475 --> 00:11:16,710 especially if you go to school in Florida, 299 00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:18,512 but it is true. 300 00:11:18,612 --> 00:11:20,614 And, unfortunately, most Black people who lost their land 301 00:11:20,714 --> 00:11:22,416 have had no way to find justice. 302 00:11:22,516 --> 00:11:24,952 But after nearly 100 years, 303 00:11:25,085 --> 00:11:27,221 one family in Manhattan Beach, California, 304 00:11:27,321 --> 00:11:30,390 is finally getting a little of what they deserve. 305 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:33,093 NEWSMAN: A prime Southern California beachfront property 306 00:11:33,193 --> 00:11:35,696 is being returned to its rightful and original owners 307 00:11:35,796 --> 00:11:37,497 more than 100 years after officials 308 00:11:37,598 --> 00:11:40,000 actually took this land from a Black family. 309 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:43,203 L.A. County leaders voted to give it back to the descendants. 310 00:11:43,303 --> 00:11:45,739 The property was originally bought in 1912. 311 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:48,742 The original owners turned it into a resort for Black families 312 00:11:48,842 --> 00:11:51,211 since they were barred from many of the beaches. 313 00:11:51,311 --> 00:11:53,447 White neighbors soon targeted that property 314 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:55,349 with racist threats and harassment. 315 00:11:55,449 --> 00:11:58,452 The city eventually seized the property in 1929, 316 00:11:58,552 --> 00:12:00,087 claiming eminent domain. 317 00:12:00,187 --> 00:12:02,055 Well, now the county is going to lease the land back 318 00:12:02,089 --> 00:12:04,691 to the current heirs and then give them the option to sell it 319 00:12:04,791 --> 00:12:06,193 for themselves down the road. 320 00:12:06,293 --> 00:12:07,861 NEWSWOMAN: The Bruce family originally bought that land 321 00:12:07,961 --> 00:12:09,663 for just over $1,200. 322 00:12:09,763 --> 00:12:12,799 Now it's worth about $20 million. 323 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:14,835 -Yeah. -(cheering and applause) 324 00:12:14,935 --> 00:12:16,904 That's right. That is amazing. 325 00:12:17,938 --> 00:12:19,773 That is amazing. 326 00:12:19,873 --> 00:12:21,108 Long time coming, too. 327 00:12:21,208 --> 00:12:24,711 The government is giving these people back their land. 328 00:12:24,811 --> 00:12:27,881 Although that's just proof that climate change is real. 329 00:12:27,981 --> 00:12:30,150 Yeah. All of a sudden, the government is like, 330 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:31,818 "You know what? The oceanfront property can go back 331 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:33,453 "to the Black people. Here, take it, take it. 332 00:12:33,554 --> 00:12:34,988 Take it, take it." You're like, "Why?" 333 00:12:35,088 --> 00:12:37,658 "Eh, don't worry, don't worry. Take it." 334 00:12:37,758 --> 00:12:39,993 No, no, no, but, for real, for real, this is great news. 335 00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:42,763 It's great news for that family, great news for justice. 336 00:12:42,863 --> 00:12:44,331 And it's especially exciting 337 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:47,100 because now there's a Black beach. 338 00:12:47,134 --> 00:12:49,369 Yeah. Yeah, 'cause I've seen white beaches. 339 00:12:49,469 --> 00:12:51,805 They've got people surfing, playing volleyball, 340 00:12:51,905 --> 00:12:53,307 sunbathing, you know. 341 00:12:53,407 --> 00:12:55,242 But this is gonna be a Black beach. 342 00:12:55,342 --> 00:12:57,110 And you know what that's gonna be like. 343 00:12:57,177 --> 00:12:59,346 It's gonna have people surfing, playing volleyball, 344 00:12:59,446 --> 00:13:01,248 sunba-- What did you think I was gonna say, huh? 345 00:13:01,348 --> 00:13:02,382 You thought it was gonna be different 'cause they're Black? 346 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:03,717 -You're racist! -(cheering and applause) 347 00:13:03,817 --> 00:13:06,286 Every one of you who thought something, you're racist! 348 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:08,388 What, you thought a Black beach was gonna have drive-bys? 349 00:13:08,488 --> 00:13:09,857 Huh? And people yelling at the movie screen? 350 00:13:09,957 --> 00:13:11,592 Educate yourself! 351 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,063 I like to ray-- lay racism traps just to see who comes out. 352 00:13:16,096 --> 00:13:18,298 Anyway... (laughs) 353 00:13:18,398 --> 00:13:19,666 This is the thing, this is the thing 354 00:13:19,766 --> 00:13:22,069 people don't seem to realize, right, with the story. 355 00:13:22,169 --> 00:13:24,838 The property is now worth $20 million. 356 00:13:24,938 --> 00:13:27,875 Right? It was bought for $1,200 back in, like, the 1920s. 357 00:13:27,975 --> 00:13:29,843 And that's what people don't get 358 00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:32,946 is how Black Americans have been held back. 359 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,182 Right? People always say... 360 00:13:35,282 --> 00:13:38,185 -(applause) -People always say, "Oh, come on. 361 00:13:38,285 --> 00:13:39,653 "Can't we move on in this country? 362 00:13:39,753 --> 00:13:42,222 That was a long time ago." Yeah, exactly. 363 00:13:42,322 --> 00:13:44,324 And in that time, 364 00:13:44,424 --> 00:13:47,294 Black Americans could have built wealth. 365 00:13:47,394 --> 00:13:49,363 -(applause and cheering) -That's what the whole point is. 366 00:13:49,463 --> 00:13:50,764 It's time. 367 00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:54,835 You see this all over America. 368 00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:56,503 All over the United States, you see this. 369 00:13:56,603 --> 00:13:58,005 I mean, look at New York. 370 00:13:58,105 --> 00:14:01,575 People are living in brownstones that are worth $20 million 371 00:14:01,675 --> 00:14:03,510 because their great-grandparents bought it for, like, 372 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:05,646 three chickens. That's money now. 373 00:14:05,746 --> 00:14:07,114 Right? You can use that as leverage. 374 00:14:07,214 --> 00:14:08,649 You can get student loans, you can buy other things. 375 00:14:08,749 --> 00:14:10,184 That's money, and it shows you 376 00:14:10,284 --> 00:14:12,319 how powerful generational wealth is. 377 00:14:12,419 --> 00:14:15,389 If it is taken away from you, it can cripple your family forever. 378 00:14:15,489 --> 00:14:17,157 It's like how anything 379 00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:19,826 that happened generations ago can affect you today. 380 00:14:19,927 --> 00:14:21,428 Like, if your great-grandfather 381 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:24,097 spent, like, your entire family's savings 382 00:14:24,198 --> 00:14:28,135 and bought Coca-Cola stock back in 1920, you're set for life. 383 00:14:28,235 --> 00:14:31,405 But if your great-grandfather bought RC Cola stock 384 00:14:31,505 --> 00:14:33,607 back in the 1920s, well, that's probably why 385 00:14:33,707 --> 00:14:36,710 you're working two jobs, you know? 386 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:39,479 And it's... Like, we talk so much about systemic problems, 387 00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:42,449 but generational wealth is a systemic solution. 388 00:14:42,549 --> 00:14:44,484 So people don't see. 389 00:14:44,585 --> 00:14:47,788 -(applause and cheering) -You want this to happen. 390 00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:50,224 You want society... 391 00:14:50,324 --> 00:14:52,659 You want society to give everyone a chance 392 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:54,995 to build on generations of success 393 00:14:55,095 --> 00:14:58,699 so that eventually, families of all races can come together 394 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:01,168 to avoid paying estate tax together. 395 00:15:01,268 --> 00:15:03,036 -(laughter) -It's powerful. It's inspirational. 396 00:15:03,136 --> 00:15:04,505 All right, that's it for the headlines, 397 00:15:04,605 --> 00:15:07,074 but before we go to a quick break, 398 00:15:07,174 --> 00:15:08,876 let's check in on the stock market with our finance expert, 399 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:10,878 -Michael Kosta, everybody! -(cheers and applause) 400 00:15:11,044 --> 00:15:12,546 Thank you. Thank you. 401 00:15:12,646 --> 00:15:15,849 Good to see you, Michael. 402 00:15:15,949 --> 00:15:17,351 I know... I know it's been crazy. 403 00:15:17,451 --> 00:15:18,852 What is happening in the market today, Michael? 404 00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:21,154 Well, you know, I am crushing the market. 405 00:15:21,255 --> 00:15:22,623 I mean, I am, seriously. 406 00:15:22,723 --> 00:15:25,259 Even when I lose money, I make money, all right? So... 407 00:15:25,359 --> 00:15:28,095 And I got a hot tip for you, and I got a hot tip for you. 408 00:15:28,195 --> 00:15:30,097 All right? So, pay attention. Uh, look, 409 00:15:30,197 --> 00:15:33,333 -this is the last day of second-quarter trading. -Yeah. 410 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:35,736 And this is a bad quarter, okay? 411 00:15:35,836 --> 00:15:37,437 I haven't seen a quarter this bad 412 00:15:37,538 --> 00:15:40,707 since my dog swallowed a quarter, okay? 413 00:15:40,807 --> 00:15:42,609 And I was at the bodega, 414 00:15:42,709 --> 00:15:45,245 I was 25 cents short for a bag of chips 415 00:15:45,345 --> 00:15:48,916 so I just had to wait for him to shit it out, okay? 416 00:15:49,082 --> 00:15:51,618 What can I say? I love Cool Ranch Doritos, okay? 417 00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:53,987 -(scattered applause) -But, Trevor, look, look, look. 418 00:15:54,087 --> 00:15:56,823 Thanks for clapping at that. Look, this... 419 00:15:56,924 --> 00:15:58,325 This is a brutal chart. 420 00:15:58,425 --> 00:16:00,360 I mean, this looks like the flight pattern 421 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:02,763 of three pigeons on ayahuasca, okay? 422 00:16:02,863 --> 00:16:07,467 Now, nobody got hit harder than Bed Bath & Beyond, okay? 423 00:16:07,568 --> 00:16:09,436 Take a look at this chart right here. 424 00:16:09,536 --> 00:16:12,439 This. This looks like one of their deflating air mattresses 425 00:16:12,539 --> 00:16:14,274 that they sell. 426 00:16:14,374 --> 00:16:15,876 I mean, it starts out pretty good. 427 00:16:16,043 --> 00:16:19,746 Then you sit on it the first time, and shh. You know? 428 00:16:19,847 --> 00:16:21,448 The problem with Bed Bath & Beyond is 429 00:16:21,548 --> 00:16:23,951 they didn't adjust their business model. 430 00:16:24,051 --> 00:16:25,853 They say they're a home goods store. 431 00:16:25,953 --> 00:16:28,956 Nobody can afford to buy a home anymore. Am I right? 432 00:16:29,056 --> 00:16:30,958 -(applause and cheering) -You know? Yeah. 433 00:16:31,058 --> 00:16:33,694 Now. 434 00:16:33,794 --> 00:16:36,797 Oh, that story about the Black family getting their beach back. 435 00:16:36,897 --> 00:16:39,099 -Yeah, that's an amazing story. -I love that story. 436 00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:40,534 I mean, that is... 437 00:16:40,634 --> 00:16:43,103 -As a white man, I support that story. -Yeah? 438 00:16:43,203 --> 00:16:45,172 I'm serious. They were there first. 439 00:16:45,272 --> 00:16:47,207 They-they owned it, you know? 440 00:16:47,307 --> 00:16:49,276 Now, it does bring up a question that I have 441 00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:51,745 for the Black community, okay? 442 00:16:51,845 --> 00:16:53,914 Does that mean that you're going to give us back the NBA? 443 00:16:54,081 --> 00:16:57,384 (Noah laughs loudly, groaning, laughter) 444 00:16:59,853 --> 00:17:04,691 Or... or the NFL, or-or...? 445 00:17:04,791 --> 00:17:06,493 Or The Daily Show? 446 00:17:06,593 --> 00:17:08,495 (groaning, applause and cheering) 447 00:17:08,595 --> 00:17:11,198 I... 448 00:17:11,298 --> 00:17:13,033 I promised you a hot tip, all right? 449 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:15,302 The stock market's trash. Throw your money in a suitcase. 450 00:17:15,402 --> 00:17:17,371 I'm Michael Kosta. This is probably my last day. 451 00:17:17,471 --> 00:17:18,906 -Thank you very much. -Michael Kosta, everybody. 452 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:20,874 All right, when we come back, we're going to be discussing 453 00:17:21,041 --> 00:17:22,743 whether transgender athletes should be allowed 454 00:17:22,843 --> 00:17:24,311 to compete in sports, so don't go away. 455 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:25,479 (cheering, applause) 456 00:17:25,579 --> 00:17:27,614 You want this? You want this? 457 00:17:32,509 --> 00:17:34,544 (cheering, applause) 458 00:17:41,885 --> 00:17:43,486 Welcome back to The Daily Show. 459 00:17:43,586 --> 00:17:46,322 Pride Month is coming to an end today. 460 00:17:46,423 --> 00:17:47,891 But that doesn't mean the conversations around 461 00:17:47,991 --> 00:17:50,794 gay and trans rights need to stop until next year. 462 00:17:50,894 --> 00:17:53,129 So, to keep the conversation going on our end, 463 00:17:53,229 --> 00:17:54,864 I want to introduce Veronica Ivy. 464 00:17:54,964 --> 00:17:57,967 She's a transgender rights activist who is the first 465 00:17:58,068 --> 00:18:01,604 out trans woman to win a track cycling world championship. 466 00:18:01,704 --> 00:18:03,039 Please welcome Veronica Ivy. 467 00:18:03,139 --> 00:18:05,241 (cheering, applause) 468 00:18:05,341 --> 00:18:07,944 -Welcome to the show. -Thank you. 469 00:18:08,044 --> 00:18:09,245 So... 470 00:18:09,345 --> 00:18:11,815 I'm gonna say from the top, because I've noticed 471 00:18:11,915 --> 00:18:13,950 this happens in every conversation, 472 00:18:14,050 --> 00:18:16,920 every time you bring up trans rights 473 00:18:17,020 --> 00:18:18,655 or if you have a discussion and you say "trans," 474 00:18:18,755 --> 00:18:22,325 people tense up. I understand why. 475 00:18:22,425 --> 00:18:25,095 We live in a world where, now, there are people 476 00:18:25,195 --> 00:18:28,064 who are so transphobic that it makes it almost impossible 477 00:18:28,164 --> 00:18:30,667 for people who aren't to ask any questions, 478 00:18:30,767 --> 00:18:33,103 to have any conversations, to have any discourse 479 00:18:33,203 --> 00:18:35,371 that doesn't lump them in with transphobia. 480 00:18:35,472 --> 00:18:37,741 And so I-I'm really glad that you're joining us on the show 481 00:18:37,841 --> 00:18:39,275 to talk about this, because it feels like 482 00:18:39,376 --> 00:18:40,910 one of the biggest issues in the America... 483 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:43,747 -Yeah. -and yet no one can seem to talk about it. 484 00:18:43,847 --> 00:18:45,882 So, let's start with your journey. 485 00:18:45,982 --> 00:18:49,085 -Um, you've competed at some of the highest levels, -Yeah. 486 00:18:49,185 --> 00:18:50,920 uh, in sport. And, you know, 487 00:18:51,020 --> 00:18:52,288 as your hoodie says, sport is a human right. 488 00:18:52,389 --> 00:18:54,190 -Yeah. That-that is what you believe in. 489 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:56,326 -Talk me through-- -(applause) 490 00:18:58,828 --> 00:19:01,097 Talk me through just a little bit of-of 491 00:19:01,197 --> 00:19:03,400 why you believe fighting for transgender athletes 492 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:06,002 to compete in the categories they'd like to in sport 493 00:19:06,102 --> 00:19:07,704 is so important. 494 00:19:07,804 --> 00:19:10,106 So, it's a fundamental tenet 495 00:19:10,206 --> 00:19:13,276 of, like, Olympic movement that sport is a human right. 496 00:19:13,376 --> 00:19:14,711 So, in their Olympic Charter, 497 00:19:14,811 --> 00:19:17,147 in their fourth Fundamental Principle of Olympism, 498 00:19:17,247 --> 00:19:19,249 they say participation in sport is a human right, 499 00:19:19,349 --> 00:19:21,518 and they mean that at the competitive level. 500 00:19:21,651 --> 00:19:24,020 So... this issue-- 501 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:26,189 people like to say that it's a complicated issue, 502 00:19:26,289 --> 00:19:28,658 and I don't actually think it is. I think it's very simple. 503 00:19:28,758 --> 00:19:32,729 It all boils down to do you actually think 504 00:19:32,829 --> 00:19:35,932 that trans women and intersex women are real women 505 00:19:36,032 --> 00:19:38,802 and are really female or not? 506 00:19:38,902 --> 00:19:40,870 And if you do, it's very simple. 507 00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:43,840 Just stop policing who counts as a real woman, 508 00:19:43,940 --> 00:19:45,909 because this has had history of racism 509 00:19:46,009 --> 00:19:47,377 built into it over the years. 510 00:19:47,477 --> 00:19:51,247 It's not an accident that the intersex athletes 511 00:19:51,347 --> 00:19:54,684 who get singled out are women of color from the global south. 512 00:19:54,784 --> 00:19:57,454 Because who gets singled out for scrutiny 513 00:19:57,620 --> 00:20:01,257 is based on white women's conceptions of femininity. 514 00:20:01,357 --> 00:20:03,827 And that's being weaponized against trans people, too. 515 00:20:03,927 --> 00:20:06,329 So, it's a fear of "protecting" 516 00:20:06,429 --> 00:20:09,499 the fragile, weak, cis white woman 517 00:20:09,632 --> 00:20:12,068 from the rest of us. 518 00:20:12,168 --> 00:20:14,838 -(applause) -So-so... 519 00:20:14,938 --> 00:20:18,341 There are many elements to what you said, which I appreciate. 520 00:20:18,441 --> 00:20:20,510 So, let-let's try and break them down. 521 00:20:20,643 --> 00:20:24,414 One thing that confuses me, personally, is... 522 00:20:24,514 --> 00:20:27,984 it-it seems like we have discussions about 523 00:20:28,084 --> 00:20:31,321 who should participate in which category and how. 524 00:20:31,421 --> 00:20:35,725 You know, on the face of it, it seems simple, as you say. 525 00:20:35,825 --> 00:20:37,494 You know, if somebody identifies as a woman, 526 00:20:37,594 --> 00:20:39,696 if they're transgender, they can compete against women 527 00:20:39,796 --> 00:20:42,499 who were born biologically, and then if not, they're not. 528 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:44,601 But then there are many who would argue-- 529 00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:46,469 who are not transphobes-- there are many who-who, 530 00:20:46,603 --> 00:20:48,938 born biologically women, who'll say, 531 00:20:49,038 --> 00:20:51,674 "But you have an unnatural advantage over me, 532 00:20:51,775 --> 00:20:54,677 and that makes the sport unfair." 533 00:20:54,778 --> 00:20:55,979 How do-how do you respond to that? 534 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:57,881 Yeah, there's lots of ways you can respond to that. 535 00:20:57,981 --> 00:21:00,383 So, the first is the-the very language 536 00:21:00,483 --> 00:21:03,086 of you were born 537 00:21:03,186 --> 00:21:05,021 and I'm not biological somehow. 538 00:21:05,121 --> 00:21:06,756 Like, I don't think I'm a cyborg. 539 00:21:06,856 --> 00:21:08,858 So, like, this idea that, like, 540 00:21:08,958 --> 00:21:10,627 "Oh, you're not a biological woman." 541 00:21:10,693 --> 00:21:12,695 Well, I am a woman. That's a fact. 542 00:21:12,796 --> 00:21:15,231 I am female. So all my identity records, 543 00:21:15,331 --> 00:21:17,067 my racing license, 544 00:21:17,167 --> 00:21:19,202 -my medical records all say female. -Mm-hmm. 545 00:21:19,302 --> 00:21:21,704 Right? And I'm pretty sure I'm made of biological stuff. 546 00:21:21,805 --> 00:21:23,640 -So I'm a biological female, as well. -Mm-hmm. 547 00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:26,309 So, this question of do trans women 548 00:21:26,409 --> 00:21:29,345 have an advantage over cis women? 549 00:21:29,446 --> 00:21:32,082 We don't know. Um, in fact, 550 00:21:32,182 --> 00:21:34,751 there's basically no published research on this question. 551 00:21:34,851 --> 00:21:38,788 However, uh, there's good reason to think that there isn't. 552 00:21:38,888 --> 00:21:42,625 But I think it's irrelevant because we allow 553 00:21:42,726 --> 00:21:45,595 all kinds of competitive advantages 554 00:21:45,628 --> 00:21:47,363 within women's sport. 555 00:21:47,464 --> 00:21:49,699 So, one example I love to talk about 556 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:53,703 is the 2016 Rio Olympic women's high jump final. 557 00:21:53,803 --> 00:21:55,739 First place was over six-foot-three. 558 00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:57,807 Tenth place was five-foot-five. 559 00:21:57,907 --> 00:21:59,776 So a ten and a half-inch height difference 560 00:21:59,876 --> 00:22:03,513 between first and tenth at the Olympics in high jump. 561 00:22:03,613 --> 00:22:05,615 -Right. -And we call that fair. 562 00:22:05,715 --> 00:22:09,152 -Okay. -So, the range of body types 563 00:22:09,252 --> 00:22:11,421 within the female category 564 00:22:11,521 --> 00:22:13,289 is way, way bigger 565 00:22:13,390 --> 00:22:16,860 than anything that could be attributed to trans women. 566 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,229 -Mm-hmm. -So if there's an advantage-- 567 00:22:19,329 --> 00:22:20,764 and I'm not saying that there is-- 568 00:22:20,864 --> 00:22:22,699 for trans women in women's sport, 569 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,634 it's not an unfair advantage. 570 00:22:24,667 --> 00:22:26,803 But, also, we've been competing at... 571 00:22:26,903 --> 00:22:29,639 trying to compete at the highest level for decades. 572 00:22:29,706 --> 00:22:31,374 We've been allowed to compete for decades, 573 00:22:31,474 --> 00:22:34,677 and no one has won an elite world championship. 574 00:22:34,778 --> 00:22:37,781 No one has won an Olympic gold medal. 575 00:22:37,881 --> 00:22:40,183 This Tokyo Olympics was the first time 576 00:22:40,283 --> 00:22:42,585 a trans woman even qualified for the Olympics. 577 00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:44,487 -Mm-hmm. -So, this idea that trans women 578 00:22:44,587 --> 00:22:46,456 are suddenly gonna take over women's sport 579 00:22:46,589 --> 00:22:49,392 is an irrational fear of trans women, 580 00:22:49,492 --> 00:22:51,995 which is the dictionary definition of transphobia. 581 00:22:52,095 --> 00:22:54,597 So, uh, it's interesting that you say that, you know, 582 00:22:54,631 --> 00:22:56,366 -because... -(applause) 583 00:22:56,466 --> 00:22:57,934 It's interesting that you say that 584 00:22:58,034 --> 00:23:00,837 because I think if-if I were to push back 585 00:23:00,937 --> 00:23:01,971 or, you know, even... 586 00:23:02,072 --> 00:23:03,339 Not even playing devil's advocate. 587 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,308 Uh, there are a few things that could be argued. 588 00:23:05,408 --> 00:23:08,311 Number one, you could argue that although the trans woman 589 00:23:08,411 --> 00:23:10,046 who competed in the Olympics didn't dominate, 590 00:23:10,146 --> 00:23:12,615 she did beat a field of women 591 00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:14,284 who might have qualified for that position. 592 00:23:14,384 --> 00:23:16,519 Right? Um, secondly, 593 00:23:16,619 --> 00:23:18,455 when you talk about the height differences-- 594 00:23:18,621 --> 00:23:19,989 I-I agree with this completely-- 595 00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:22,959 but there-there are many who would argue 596 00:23:23,059 --> 00:23:26,863 that we exist in a state where a lot of the surgeries are new. 597 00:23:26,963 --> 00:23:28,932 A lot of the technology, just the technology, is new. 598 00:23:29,032 --> 00:23:30,900 Transgenderism is not new. We know it throughout time. 599 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,068 We've seen it throughout history. 600 00:23:32,168 --> 00:23:34,003 But there are many who would say, 601 00:23:34,104 --> 00:23:35,572 "How do we ensure 602 00:23:35,672 --> 00:23:37,741 that we are creating some sort of standard?" 603 00:23:37,841 --> 00:23:39,576 And the rea... the reason we talk to this is, you know, 604 00:23:39,642 --> 00:23:41,578 we talk about this is it's the reason they have to "regulite," 605 00:23:41,678 --> 00:23:43,446 uh, regulate, uh, performance-enhancing drugs, 606 00:23:43,580 --> 00:23:45,181 for instance. What is fair? What can you drink? 607 00:23:45,281 --> 00:23:46,583 What can you not drink? What can you consume? 608 00:23:46,649 --> 00:23:47,917 What can you not consume? 609 00:23:48,017 --> 00:23:50,854 Um, some would say 610 00:23:50,954 --> 00:23:52,956 if you are born that way, 611 00:23:53,056 --> 00:23:56,259 that's how sport has determined who goes where. 612 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,795 And then some would say, no, regardless of who you are, 613 00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,063 you should be able to compete. 614 00:24:00,163 --> 00:24:02,065 My question then comes in 615 00:24:02,165 --> 00:24:04,968 from a really, honestly, a different place. 616 00:24:05,068 --> 00:24:07,303 I look at somebody like Oscar Pistorius 617 00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:08,438 from South Africa, right? 618 00:24:08,605 --> 00:24:10,039 -He was the double amputee. -Yep. 619 00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:12,142 And Oscar Pistorius actually went, 620 00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:15,311 -"Well, I want to compete in the able-bodied race." -Mm-hmm. 621 00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,614 Right? And people were like, "Well, do you have an advantage? 622 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,715 Do you not"? Et cetera, et cetera. 623 00:24:18,815 --> 00:24:19,949 'Cause of the prosthetics. 624 00:24:20,050 --> 00:24:21,918 But then could there not be an argument 625 00:24:22,018 --> 00:24:24,821 if there is no advantage in that 626 00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:27,624 that then trans women should be able to compete 627 00:24:27,690 --> 00:24:29,059 but in the men's races, then? 628 00:24:29,159 --> 00:24:31,428 'Cause they'd still be able to compete in the sport. 629 00:24:31,561 --> 00:24:33,997 But they're women, and they're female. 630 00:24:34,097 --> 00:24:36,099 So, like I said, 631 00:24:36,199 --> 00:24:39,569 this boils down to are trans women really women? 632 00:24:39,636 --> 00:24:41,304 Are they really female? 633 00:24:41,404 --> 00:24:42,906 Because if you think yes, 634 00:24:43,006 --> 00:24:45,241 then we belong competing with other women. 635 00:24:45,341 --> 00:24:47,610 So it's an extreme indignity to say, 636 00:24:47,711 --> 00:24:50,580 "I believe you're a woman except for sport." 637 00:24:50,613 --> 00:24:54,184 Right? So you can't single out one of the most important facets 638 00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:55,218 of our society. 639 00:24:55,318 --> 00:24:56,820 We are obsessed with sport. 640 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,922 Athletes are some of the most highly praised, 641 00:24:59,022 --> 00:25:00,857 -highly paid people on the planet. -Definitely. 642 00:25:00,957 --> 00:25:03,593 -Definitely. -So you can't say that, like, "I believe you 643 00:25:03,626 --> 00:25:06,663 "and I support you, but not for this one really big thing 644 00:25:06,763 --> 00:25:08,198 that society really cares about." 645 00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:10,600 Right. And I'm-I'm saying I get confused 646 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:13,336 by why we distill it down into just two things. 647 00:25:13,436 --> 00:25:14,771 I'll tell you why. 648 00:25:14,871 --> 00:25:17,173 As we learn about gender being a spectrum, 649 00:25:17,273 --> 00:25:19,342 as we learn that people can identify 650 00:25:19,442 --> 00:25:21,077 in-in a multitude of ways, 651 00:25:21,177 --> 00:25:23,213 we accept the fact that we don't have to put people 652 00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:25,215 into categories of man or woman. 653 00:25:25,315 --> 00:25:27,751 You know? That's why they say "protect trans women." 654 00:25:27,851 --> 00:25:29,652 It's like, otherwise, which women are you protecting? 655 00:25:29,753 --> 00:25:31,721 It's-it's an argument that doesn't separate 656 00:25:31,821 --> 00:25:33,890 or diminish anybody but gives more specificity 657 00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:35,291 to what people are saying. 658 00:25:35,392 --> 00:25:37,394 And so when we talk about these things, 659 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,663 I sometimes get confused by why we're trying to force the people 660 00:25:40,764 --> 00:25:44,100 into two again when we've been taught that there isn't a two. 661 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,870 Whereas, a sport like-- let's say boxing, for instance. 662 00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:51,207 -In boxing, people fight across all weight categories. -Mm-hmm. 663 00:25:51,307 --> 00:25:53,276 They don't just go, "Men's boxing, women's boxing." 664 00:25:53,376 --> 00:25:56,446 They go, "No, men-- heavyweight, super heavyweight." 665 00:25:56,579 --> 00:25:58,248 And then they'll be like, "Middleweight, bantamweight, 666 00:25:58,348 --> 00:25:59,783 flyweight, feather weight." There's, like, 667 00:25:59,883 --> 00:26:02,185 guys who weigh nothing punching each other. 668 00:26:02,285 --> 00:26:03,987 And-and I mean this genuinely. 'Cause I've always thought 669 00:26:04,087 --> 00:26:06,256 to myself, it's interesting how, in boxing, they went, "Well, 670 00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:07,590 "we don't just want to see guys fighting. 671 00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:08,992 We want to see guys fighting at different weights." 672 00:26:09,092 --> 00:26:10,260 The UFC does the same thing. They go, 673 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,228 "Y-You're gonna fight in your weight class." 674 00:26:12,328 --> 00:26:13,930 Which has-- It seems crazy. 675 00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:16,099 How can you break it down? And yet it's worked. 676 00:26:16,199 --> 00:26:18,468 And so I wonder if you've ever considered-- 677 00:26:18,601 --> 00:26:19,969 and I'm not saying it's your job, by the way-- 678 00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:21,971 -but if you've ever considered a wor... -It kind of literally is. 679 00:26:22,072 --> 00:26:23,339 -Oh. Then great. -(laughter) 680 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,741 Have you ever considered a world 681 00:26:24,841 --> 00:26:27,477 where it becomes more specific then? 682 00:26:27,610 --> 00:26:29,212 You know? The same thing they did in the Paralympics. 683 00:26:29,312 --> 00:26:30,947 They-they had to find a way 684 00:26:31,047 --> 00:26:34,417 where they classified how a single amputee 685 00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:36,886 could run against somebody who's partially blind 686 00:26:36,986 --> 00:26:39,055 or a double amputee and how d-- how do we grade that? 687 00:26:39,155 --> 00:26:41,458 So, do you not think that we're limiting ourselves 688 00:26:41,558 --> 00:26:43,626 by saying, "Men's sports, women's sports" 689 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:45,762 when we now know that there are so many more genders? 690 00:26:45,862 --> 00:26:48,298 So, I'm really gonna dissatisfy you right now. 691 00:26:48,398 --> 00:26:49,766 -Um... -Well, you don't know what I'm looking for though, 692 00:26:49,866 --> 00:26:51,367 -so you can't. -I do. 693 00:26:51,468 --> 00:26:53,103 I-I know you're looking for something other 694 00:26:53,203 --> 00:26:54,170 than what I'm gonna say. 695 00:26:54,270 --> 00:26:57,040 And that-that is a very important question 696 00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:58,942 and a very difficult question, 697 00:26:59,042 --> 00:27:00,910 but it's a separate question. 698 00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:03,046 The question we're talking about is, 699 00:27:03,146 --> 00:27:06,049 given how sport is currently structured, 700 00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:07,851 should we include trans women 701 00:27:07,951 --> 00:27:09,986 and intersex women in women's sport? 702 00:27:10,086 --> 00:27:12,322 And my answer to that is a clear yes. 703 00:27:12,422 --> 00:27:14,791 If you want to say, "Should we revisit 704 00:27:14,891 --> 00:27:17,026 how we structure all of sport?" 705 00:27:17,127 --> 00:27:19,062 I would say, "Yeah, we should do that." 706 00:27:19,162 --> 00:27:22,031 But if your only reason for doing that 707 00:27:22,132 --> 00:27:24,934 is because you can't just accept trans women are women, 708 00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:26,603 that's a problem I got with ya. 709 00:27:26,636 --> 00:27:28,037 -I understand. And I'm not saying it's... -Not with you 710 00:27:28,138 --> 00:27:29,239 -personally. -No, no, I hear what you're saying. 711 00:27:29,339 --> 00:27:30,373 No, I com-- I completely-- 712 00:27:30,473 --> 00:27:31,775 I completely hear what you're saying. 713 00:27:31,875 --> 00:27:33,777 So, let me ask you this then. 714 00:27:33,877 --> 00:27:36,379 You know, again, eliminating fringes, 715 00:27:36,479 --> 00:27:38,314 'cause everything on the Internet becomes fringe. 716 00:27:38,415 --> 00:27:40,784 Everything becomes a-a fight and an argument. 717 00:27:40,884 --> 00:27:42,685 If somebody comes to you in good faith-- 718 00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:44,454 and I mean genuinely good faith- 719 00:27:44,554 --> 00:27:46,189 and they say to you, 720 00:27:46,289 --> 00:27:48,024 "You know, Veronica, 721 00:27:48,124 --> 00:27:49,826 "I was born a woman, raised a woman. 722 00:27:49,926 --> 00:27:54,064 "I-I've suffered or-or lived and experienced life as a woman. 723 00:27:54,164 --> 00:27:55,231 "This is where I am. 724 00:27:55,331 --> 00:27:56,533 "This is where my body has gotten me to. 725 00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:57,834 "I've grown as a woman. 726 00:27:57,934 --> 00:27:59,536 "My body's had the testosterone or estrogen 727 00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:01,071 "that it had to get me to this point, 728 00:28:01,171 --> 00:28:02,806 "and that's why I am here. 729 00:28:02,906 --> 00:28:05,742 "And I feel like you may or may not have the advantage, 730 00:28:05,842 --> 00:28:07,243 "but we don't know yet, 731 00:28:07,343 --> 00:28:08,945 "so why can't we wait to know these things 732 00:28:09,045 --> 00:28:11,715 before you compete against me?" How would you respond to that? 733 00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:13,516 Because that's not how human rights work. 734 00:28:13,616 --> 00:28:17,153 So the way human rights work is that the default is inclusion, 735 00:28:17,253 --> 00:28:20,390 and the burden of proof is on the people seeking to exclude, 736 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,525 not the people seeking to include. 737 00:28:22,625 --> 00:28:25,795 (applause and cheering) 738 00:28:25,895 --> 00:28:31,367 So, I want to share something shocking with everybody. 739 00:28:31,468 --> 00:28:34,771 Uh, it wasn't until five years ago 740 00:28:34,871 --> 00:28:36,506 that we actually studied the relationship 741 00:28:36,606 --> 00:28:38,908 between natural testosterone and performance. 742 00:28:39,008 --> 00:28:41,845 And we found that there's no relationship whatsoever 743 00:28:41,945 --> 00:28:46,015 between unaltered, natural, endogenous testosterone 744 00:28:46,116 --> 00:28:47,517 and sport performance. 745 00:28:47,617 --> 00:28:49,753 About point five percent 746 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:52,021 of elite male track and field athletes 747 00:28:52,122 --> 00:28:53,757 at the world championship level 748 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:56,960 are below the women's average of testosterone, 749 00:28:57,060 --> 00:29:00,764 competing with men with 80 to 100 times 750 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:04,467 as much testosterone, at no competitive disadvantage. 751 00:29:04,634 --> 00:29:07,504 And that fact has not been picked up 752 00:29:07,637 --> 00:29:09,139 by the broader media landscape. 753 00:29:09,239 --> 00:29:10,640 So, when you say, 754 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:13,309 I'm a woman, and I have this much testosterone, 755 00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:15,912 well, first, there's a huge range within women. 756 00:29:16,012 --> 00:29:19,682 -Definitely. -Into the male range. 757 00:29:19,783 --> 00:29:22,018 And there is no relationship 758 00:29:22,118 --> 00:29:23,686 between her having a competitive advantage 759 00:29:23,787 --> 00:29:25,955 over women with lower testosterone. 760 00:29:26,056 --> 00:29:30,960 So there are elite cis men with low testosterone, 761 00:29:31,061 --> 00:29:34,597 -lower than a given woman, who's outcompeting her. -Mm-hmm. 762 00:29:34,697 --> 00:29:38,868 So our bodies and biology is not this simple. 763 00:29:38,968 --> 00:29:40,970 We thought it was, and it isn't. 764 00:29:41,071 --> 00:29:43,139 So we know that when you add testosterone 765 00:29:43,239 --> 00:29:45,742 to your natural levels, like doping, 766 00:29:45,842 --> 00:29:47,844 you tend to get bigger, stronger, faster. 767 00:29:47,944 --> 00:29:50,480 We also know that when you drop your testosterone levels, 768 00:29:50,613 --> 00:29:51,948 like trans women tend to do... 769 00:29:52,048 --> 00:29:53,650 -Mm-hmm. -you tend to get slower. 770 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:56,619 But what your natural level is has no relationship 771 00:29:56,653 --> 00:29:58,254 to your sport performance. 772 00:29:58,354 --> 00:30:01,091 And we've been singling out that factor-- 773 00:30:01,191 --> 00:30:04,627 testosterone-- against the scientific evidence. 774 00:30:04,661 --> 00:30:06,629 But I'm a little confused-- and forgive me 775 00:30:06,663 --> 00:30:08,298 if I'm slow to understand this. 776 00:30:08,398 --> 00:30:10,734 You just said, the natural level doesn't give you an advantage 777 00:30:10,834 --> 00:30:12,268 or disadvantage, but you said, 778 00:30:12,368 --> 00:30:14,637 if people do have an addition or a subtraction of it, 779 00:30:14,738 --> 00:30:16,840 then it does give you a disadvantage or an advantage. 780 00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:18,842 Well, it affects things. 781 00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:22,045 So, for example, like, my body doesn't produce testosterone, 782 00:30:22,145 --> 00:30:25,181 and it hasn't for a decade, but I switched sports 783 00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:29,652 -from a road cycling event to a track power event. -Mm-hmm. 784 00:30:29,686 --> 00:30:31,054 And I switched training. 785 00:30:31,154 --> 00:30:33,423 And I put on 25 pounds of muscle, 786 00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:37,494 and I went from being able to squat 170 to 375. 787 00:30:37,594 --> 00:30:42,065 So, I don't produce any testosterone, and I squat a lot. 788 00:30:42,165 --> 00:30:45,034 -And that's just because I changed training. -Mm-hmm. 789 00:30:45,135 --> 00:30:47,637 So it's not so simple as, "Okay, 790 00:30:47,737 --> 00:30:50,473 if you drop your testosterone, you will get weaker." 791 00:30:50,607 --> 00:30:52,008 Because if you change your training, 792 00:30:52,108 --> 00:30:54,611 your diet, your rest and recovery, 793 00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:56,679 your sport, your performance can change. 794 00:30:56,780 --> 00:30:59,115 Your body will change. It seems like, 795 00:30:59,215 --> 00:31:01,217 we're always going to end up in a cul-de-sac, 796 00:31:01,317 --> 00:31:03,353 because many people use it as a cudgel, 797 00:31:03,453 --> 00:31:05,121 I've realized, to scare people. 798 00:31:05,221 --> 00:31:06,689 "Oh, the transgenders are coming for you. 799 00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:08,024 "Your bathrooms, your sports 800 00:31:08,124 --> 00:31:09,526 -your everything." -Oh, we are. -(laughter) 801 00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:11,895 -(applause) -Be careful what you say. 802 00:31:11,995 --> 00:31:14,130 Um... 803 00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:17,734 but-but it feels like there are many discussions to be had. 804 00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:19,903 It feels like, as you said, you know, the research, 805 00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:21,471 the science, everything hasn't caught up. 806 00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:23,106 But I appreciate you for coming on the show 807 00:31:23,206 --> 00:31:24,441 and discussing this with us. 808 00:31:24,541 --> 00:31:25,809 Thank you so much for joining me. 809 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:27,510 (applause and cheering) 810 00:31:27,644 --> 00:31:29,079 All right, we're going to take a quick break, 811 00:31:29,179 --> 00:31:30,880 but we'll be right back with one of the stars 812 00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:33,850 of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Moses Ingram, right after this. 813 00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:35,985 (cheering, applause) 814 00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:42,892 (cheering) 815 00:31:45,862 --> 00:31:48,664 Welcome back to The Daily Show. My next guest 816 00:31:48,765 --> 00:31:51,634 is an Emmy-nominated actor you know 817 00:31:51,734 --> 00:31:53,202 from the hit show Queen's Gambit. 818 00:31:53,302 --> 00:31:55,805 She is now part of the legendary Star Wars franchise, 819 00:31:55,905 --> 00:32:00,109 starring in the Disney+ miniseries Obi-Wan Kenobi. 820 00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,745 I just spoke with Lord Vader. 821 00:32:03,746 --> 00:32:07,150 You spoke to him yourself? 822 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:09,919 He asked me to lead the hunt. 823 00:32:10,019 --> 00:32:13,156 Unless you feel I should follow your orders instead. 824 00:32:13,256 --> 00:32:16,225 Send out the probes. 825 00:32:16,325 --> 00:32:18,261 Do it now. 826 00:32:18,361 --> 00:32:20,363 Please welcome Moses Ingram. 827 00:32:20,463 --> 00:32:22,498 -♪ ♪ -(cheering, applause) 828 00:32:32,375 --> 00:32:34,777 -Do I sit or you sit first? Okay. -Please, please. 829 00:32:36,579 --> 00:32:37,980 Moses Ingram, welcome 830 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:39,348 -to The Daily Show. -I feel so official. Thank you. 831 00:32:39,449 --> 00:32:42,351 You're going through an amazing, amazing period. 832 00:32:42,452 --> 00:32:45,955 -Queen's Gambit, now Obi-Wan Kenobi. -Yeah. 833 00:32:45,988 --> 00:32:49,158 You-you have one of the most interesting IMDb pages, 834 00:32:49,258 --> 00:32:53,162 -because you graduated in 2019. -I did. 835 00:32:53,262 --> 00:32:56,232 -And then it's just been hit, hit, hit. -Yeah. 836 00:32:56,332 --> 00:32:58,601 -It's crazy. -What's the secret? 837 00:32:58,701 --> 00:33:00,336 I don't know. I don't think there is a secret. 838 00:33:00,436 --> 00:33:02,638 -But there are still bad days. -Okay. 839 00:33:02,739 --> 00:33:06,042 Like, like, early on, I had this really bad audition. 840 00:33:06,142 --> 00:33:08,644 And I tried to put myself into my trunk. 841 00:33:08,745 --> 00:33:10,246 Do you ever have, like, bad days, where you're, 842 00:33:10,346 --> 00:33:12,482 -like, trying-- -Where you put yourself into your trunk? 843 00:33:12,582 --> 00:33:13,983 Yeah. Well, no, not days where 844 00:33:14,083 --> 00:33:15,685 -you put yourself into your trunk, but you just -Okay, okay. 845 00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:17,653 need to know where everything is. Like, you need a really 846 00:33:17,754 --> 00:33:20,823 -small space. -I've heard people talk about this. 847 00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:23,793 But I've nev-- So, I, uh, once I was out with a friend-- 848 00:33:23,893 --> 00:33:25,595 we're in a park -for a very long time. -Yeah. 849 00:33:25,695 --> 00:33:28,765 And then he said, "I-I-- Can we go back to the hotel? 850 00:33:28,865 --> 00:33:31,000 -I would like to lie in a bathtub." -Exactly. 851 00:33:31,033 --> 00:33:32,335 I was like, "You want to take a bath?" And he said, 852 00:33:32,435 --> 00:33:35,071 "No, I just want to be in a small space." And I was like, 853 00:33:35,171 --> 00:33:38,007 "Oh, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard." 854 00:33:38,074 --> 00:33:39,842 But now I'll tell him that I met someone else... 855 00:33:39,942 --> 00:33:41,677 The trunk of my car. Yeah, I tried. 856 00:33:41,778 --> 00:33:43,045 Do you close it or do... 857 00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:45,648 Well, so it's a-- it was a hatchback at the time. 858 00:33:45,748 --> 00:33:48,351 -Okay. -And so, regular cars, you can, like, pull the latch, 859 00:33:48,451 --> 00:33:50,420 but I ended up looking stupid because you can't pull 860 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,422 a hatchback, so you're just, like... 861 00:33:52,522 --> 00:33:55,625 I love the idea that somebody was watching this happening 862 00:33:55,725 --> 00:33:57,827 and then they call 911 and they go, 863 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,863 "Hi, I think someone's kidnapping themselves. 864 00:34:00,963 --> 00:34:03,199 I don't know what to do with this." 865 00:34:03,299 --> 00:34:04,967 You-- But-but it has been-- 866 00:34:05,068 --> 00:34:06,969 it really has been a-an amazing journey. 867 00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:09,605 You know? Everyone who joins the Star Wars franchise says 868 00:34:09,705 --> 00:34:12,275 -it's just-- it's-it's a galaxy that is really wild. -Yeah. 869 00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:14,977 Some of the-- some of the-the most loyal fans, you know? 870 00:34:15,078 --> 00:34:17,046 -You're part of this giant franchise. -Yeah. 871 00:34:17,146 --> 00:34:19,582 When you knew you were gonna be a part of it, 872 00:34:19,682 --> 00:34:21,250 you must have been excited. But then I heard 873 00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:24,020 that you had never watched any of the Star Wars movies. 874 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,688 -(chuckling, gasping) -No, I hadn't. 875 00:34:25,788 --> 00:34:27,023 -How? -No, no, I have now. 876 00:34:27,123 --> 00:34:28,991 -I have now. -Yeah, but how? -(laughter, applause) 877 00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:30,660 I just want to know how. I'm not even judging you. 878 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,395 -I just want to know how. -I-I don't know. 879 00:34:32,495 --> 00:34:35,231 I guess I just didn't come from a family who did. 880 00:34:35,331 --> 00:34:37,600 I knew who they were. I knew Darth Vader. 881 00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:39,936 I knew Obi-Wan. But I didn't... 882 00:34:39,969 --> 00:34:41,504 I didn't see any. 883 00:34:41,604 --> 00:34:43,005 None of them? 884 00:34:43,106 --> 00:34:44,674 -None. -Now that you've seen, do you have a favorite? 885 00:34:44,774 --> 00:34:46,609 -Like, which one... -Um... 886 00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:48,811 -probably Revenge of the Sith. -Okay. 887 00:34:48,945 --> 00:34:50,580 -Okay. I like this. I like this. -Yeah. It's a good one. 888 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,948 -It's a good one. Yeah. -All right. This is good, 889 00:34:51,981 --> 00:34:52,715 this is good. I thought you were gonna be like, 890 00:34:52,815 --> 00:34:54,016 "Jar Jar Binks was my favorite." 891 00:34:54,117 --> 00:34:55,952 Then I'll be like, "We have a-- we have a fight." 892 00:34:55,985 --> 00:34:59,021 Um, I love that you-you've just joined the franchise 893 00:34:59,122 --> 00:35:00,523 -and already you're making an impact. -Yeah. 894 00:35:00,623 --> 00:35:03,593 We saw in that clip, and you see, if you watch the show, 895 00:35:03,693 --> 00:35:06,129 your character's hair is almost part of her. 896 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,030 -You know? It's-it's like-- It looks futuristic. -Yeah. 897 00:35:08,131 --> 00:35:09,532 NOAH: Obviously, you know, Black people are like, 898 00:35:09,632 --> 00:35:10,867 "Well, that's hair. We know it." 899 00:35:10,967 --> 00:35:12,468 But it looks cool. It looks futuristic. 900 00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:14,971 You actually influenced that hair decision. 901 00:35:15,071 --> 00:35:16,606 Because, originally, the character was supposed to have, 902 00:35:16,706 --> 00:35:18,408 like, just straight hair, right? 903 00:35:18,508 --> 00:35:20,810 Yeah. O-Originally, like, there was a wig 904 00:35:20,977 --> 00:35:22,278 and it was, like, doing a thing. 905 00:35:22,378 --> 00:35:25,214 But it's a real testament to our director, Deborah Chow, 906 00:35:25,314 --> 00:35:27,216 who really welcomed me into the process 907 00:35:27,316 --> 00:35:29,018 -of making her who she would be. -Mm-hmm. 908 00:35:29,118 --> 00:35:30,686 Um, and hair was really important to me. 909 00:35:30,787 --> 00:35:32,989 Like, if a kid wanted to be me for Halloween, 910 00:35:33,055 --> 00:35:36,993 it would be weird to me if they had to wear a wig 911 00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:39,529 because I wore a wig, when I have hair like them. 912 00:35:39,629 --> 00:35:42,365 -You know? -Right, right. And so you got the hair done. 913 00:35:42,465 --> 00:35:44,600 -(applause and cheering) -I love that. -Yeah. Thanks. 914 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:48,504 I like that. You, uh... 915 00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:51,040 You may not have watched the movies, but I feel like 916 00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:52,475 you fight like you've watched the movies. 917 00:35:52,575 --> 00:35:56,112 We've got a clip here of you doing the lightsabers. 918 00:35:56,212 --> 00:35:58,147 -♪ ♪ -(groaning) 919 00:35:58,247 --> 00:35:59,515 -Wow. -NOAH: This is like a... 920 00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:04,954 -I won't tell you how it ends. -Wow. 921 00:36:05,021 --> 00:36:06,589 -(applause and cheering) -That's crazy. 922 00:36:06,689 --> 00:36:09,692 I can't tell you more than that. 923 00:36:09,792 --> 00:36:11,761 This is something I've always wanted to know 924 00:36:11,861 --> 00:36:13,996 -from somebody in the Star Wars universe. -Mm-hmm. 925 00:36:14,097 --> 00:36:17,166 -'Cause they put the sound effects in afterwards. -Mm-hmm. 926 00:36:17,266 --> 00:36:19,535 So when you're fighting with, do you make the sound? 927 00:36:19,635 --> 00:36:20,970 -Cause I make the sound. -(laughter) 928 00:36:21,037 --> 00:36:22,271 No, I can't do it without... 929 00:36:22,371 --> 00:36:24,807 Like, I'll going "Woo, woo, woo, woo." 930 00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:27,543 Do you... do you...? Does somebody do it for you guys? 931 00:36:27,643 --> 00:36:29,345 Yeah, I make the sound, but actually, 932 00:36:29,445 --> 00:36:31,180 in rehearsal now, they have these really cool ones 933 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,715 that make the sound when you swing it. 934 00:36:32,815 --> 00:36:34,050 -Now ways. -They do. 935 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,985 It's on Amazon. You can get it on Amazon. 936 00:36:36,085 --> 00:36:37,520 -I can get it on Amazon? -Yes. 937 00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:39,522 -I can buy a lightsaber that makes the sounds? -Yes, you can. 938 00:36:39,622 --> 00:36:41,324 Like, actually? It mustn't do it when I'm not swinging. 939 00:36:41,424 --> 00:36:43,159 -Then I'll look stupid. -No, no. I mean... 940 00:36:43,259 --> 00:36:44,927 -Like, "Woo, woo, woo. -It's sensitive, though. 941 00:36:45,027 --> 00:36:47,463 -So you don't want to just, like, and then... -Woo. Okay. 942 00:36:47,563 --> 00:36:48,931 ...if you don't mean to. 943 00:36:48,998 --> 00:36:51,501 -Okay, don't "woo" if you don't mean to. -Exactly. 944 00:36:51,601 --> 00:36:53,236 How long do you have to train for those fight scenes? 945 00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:56,205 Oh, we trained for about four months, 946 00:36:56,305 --> 00:36:58,374 nine in total if you count while we were shooting, 947 00:36:58,474 --> 00:36:59,709 So it was a... it was a process. 948 00:36:59,809 --> 00:37:03,579 So if you got into a fight in the street, 949 00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,215 and there was, like, a lightsaberish type object, 950 00:37:06,315 --> 00:37:09,452 -you'd kick some ass. -I think I'd do okay. 951 00:37:09,552 --> 00:37:11,954 (laughter, applause and cheering) 952 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:14,157 I'll tell you, Moses, you are amazing. Thank you so much 953 00:37:14,257 --> 00:37:16,559 -for being on the show. Congratulations... -Thank you. 954 00:37:16,659 --> 00:37:20,196 on Star Wars, Queen's Gambit. 955 00:37:20,296 --> 00:37:22,999 All episodes of Obi-Wan Kenobi are available on Disney+. 956 00:37:23,099 --> 00:37:25,068 Moses Ingram, everybody! We're gonna take a quick break, 957 00:37:25,168 --> 00:37:27,203 but we'll be right back after this. 958 00:37:27,303 --> 00:37:29,338 (applause and cheering) 959 00:37:34,755 --> 00:37:36,790 (cheers and applause) 960 00:37:38,759 --> 00:37:40,827 All right, everybody, well, that's our show for tonight. 961 00:37:40,927 --> 00:37:42,529 Thank you so much for tuning in. 962 00:37:42,629 --> 00:37:46,099 Before we go, before we go, if you or someone you know 963 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,068 needs help accessing abortion care, 964 00:37:48,168 --> 00:37:50,637 please go to AbortionFinder.org, 965 00:37:50,737 --> 00:37:53,707 or call the National Abortion Hotline at the number below. 966 00:37:53,807 --> 00:37:55,342 You still have options. 967 00:37:55,442 --> 00:37:57,144 Until next time, stay safe out there. 968 00:37:57,244 --> 00:38:01,348 And remember, if somebody hands you a suitcase full of cash, 969 00:38:01,448 --> 00:38:03,483 take that shit and run. 970 00:38:03,583 --> 00:38:05,819 Now here it is-- Your Moment of Zen. 971 00:38:05,919 --> 00:38:07,921 I grew up doing mafia cases here in the city. 972 00:38:08,021 --> 00:38:09,589 I used to do mafia cases, okay? 973 00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:11,558 When I used to do Italian mafia cases... 974 00:38:11,658 --> 00:38:13,760 I did mafia cases. I used to do mafia cases. 975 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:15,362 Like, I used to do mafia cases. 976 00:38:15,462 --> 00:38:18,632 I used to prosecute mafia bosses, real mafia bosses. 977 00:38:18,732 --> 00:38:21,268 Shut the (bleep) up!