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Tonight: Kansas saves abortion.
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What's going on, everybody.
Welcome to The Daily Show.
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I'm Trevor Noah.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
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Take a seat.
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Let's do it, let's do it.
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We have got a jam-packed show
for you tonight.
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Kansas is now
the best state in America.
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Student debt
is coming for your grandma.
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And Beyoncé is making
a whole new album.
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So, let's do this, people.
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Let's jump straight
into today's headlines.
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Okay.
All right.
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Before we get into
the big stories,
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let's catch up
on a few other things
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going on in the news.
First things first.
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According to astronomers,
the earth
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is actually spinning faster
than ever before.
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And because of that,
it recently set the record
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for the shortest day ever.
Yeah.
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June 29th was apparently
1.59 milliseconds shorter
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than a normal day.
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Yeah.
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And that's how you know
things are going bad--
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even the earth is like,
"All right, let's wrap this up,
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"let's go, let's go.
Let's keep things moving,
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Let's keep things going."
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1.59 milliseconds faster.
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I mean, you do know
what this means, right?
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We all get to leave work
1.59 milliseconds earlier.
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Yeah, baby! I'm gone!
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It also gives people a great
excuse if they get pulled over.
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It's just like,
"Sir, you have been drinking?"
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"No, the earth
is spinning super fast, man.
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It's making me dizzy, man."
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"Then why aren't we all dizzy?"
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"I'm too drunk
to answer that question."
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Meanwhile, in environmental
news, a man in Utah
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has been arrested
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for accidentally starting
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a 60-acre wildfire
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while trying to burn a spider
with a cigarette lighter.
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And, yes, this sounds terrible,
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but I bet that spider
learned his (bleep) lesson.
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You've learned that, spider.
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In entertainment news,
Brad Pitt wore a skirt
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to his latest movie premiere,
and when he was asked
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why he did it he said,
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"We're all going to die,
so let's just
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have some fun
before we get out."
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Yeah.
And I, uh, I love that.
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What an inspirational
way to say it's laundry day.
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It's also been, like,
200 degrees outside every day.
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The question isn't why
is Brad Pitt wearing a skirt,
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it's why isn't every guy
wearing a skirt?
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You kidding me? Have you
felt how hot is out there?
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With the fabric on both sides,
everything is cooped up.
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You walk outside and you--
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You spend five minutes
in this weather,
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before you know it,
you're walking around
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with two lightly poached eggs
in your pants.
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Got to let it breathe.
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Oh! Oh. This--
Okay, this is a wild story.
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In travel news,
Airbnb has announced that
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it will no longer allow people
to list former slave cabins
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as vacation rentals
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after one listing
caused an uproar online.
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And this must be
one of those things that,
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probably, white people--
I mean--
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No, 'cause,
as a Black person,
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there's no way I'm vacationing
in a slave cabin.
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I don't care
if it's a former slave cabin,
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I don't care if it's renovate--
There's no Black person
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who's like, "Yeah, this is where
I want to spend my vacation."
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So, good for Airbnb. I will
say this-- if I owned Airbnb,
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I wouldn't cancel
these listings.
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I would say, "Yeah, you can
stay there if you want,
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but you gonna have to have
the real experience."
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Yeah.
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Just surprise those people.
Barge into the cabin
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at 6:00 a.m. like,
"Here's your basket!
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Fill it up!
Gonna whip your ass--"
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"I just wanted
to see what it was like!"
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"Well, now you're seeing."
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But, anyway,
let's move on to some
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of the bigger news stories
of the day.
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First up,
yesterday we had another round
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of primary elections in America.
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And I'm just going to say this.
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This country has
too many elections, all right?
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Yeah, every week it's like,
"It's time to vote."
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"But we voted last week."
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"No, that was the vote
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"to vote for who
we're voting for this week.
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"Then we'll vote on when
we'll vote for the next vote.
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Vote, vote, votey-vote,
vote, vote, vote, vote."
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So let's check in on the results
of these votes.
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(laughs)
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In our ongoing coverage
of Votedemic 2022.
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(applause and cheering)
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So, last night was
a very good night
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for Donald "Jigglypuff" Trump.
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In Michigan
his candidate defeated
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a Republican
who voted to impeach him.
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In Arizona his candidates won
the primaries
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for senate
and secretary of state.
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And in Missouri
the Eric he endorsed
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beat the other Eric
that he endorsed. (laughs)
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Yeah, it was the best night
for Trump he's had
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that didn't end
with someone signing an NDA.
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And these Arizona races could
have national implications
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because these Republicans,
you have to understand,
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the ones who are winning now,
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they all believe
in crazy conspiracy theories
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about Biden stealing
the election in 2020.
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So if they win the final races,
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they could end up in charge
of counting the votes in 2024.
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I don't know about you,
but I know for certain
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I do not trust them
with that job.
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Can you imagine
what it'll be like?
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All right, another vote,
another vote for Trump,
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that's a Trump vote.
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That's ano-- that's a Trump,
yeah, I saw that.
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That was Trump.
Wh-What you doing there?
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That's another--
yeah, that's another...
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I'm counting.
That's Trump as well.
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Yeah, put it in, put--
that's it, Trump again.
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What-what was...? Look at that,
that person spelled Trump wrong.
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He said "B-I-D-E-N."
That's not how you spell Trump!
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What the...?
He spelled it wrong.
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That's-- all right, what's
the final tally? What's that?
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Trump-- one bazillion,
Biden-- minus ten.
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I think I did a good job.
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Don't say I didn't warn you.
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(applause)
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Now, there is,
there is some good news.
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Other than
the Trump virus spreading
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through the Republican Party
like Vecna,
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last night was actually
a really good night
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for anyone who believes a woman
should have a right to choose
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what happens in her own body,
and it's all thanks to Kansas.
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NEWSWOMAN: In conservative
Kansas this morning,
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a political earthquake
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and a big win
for abortion rights supporters.
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Kansas voters rejecting
an amendment
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that would have removed
abortion protections
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from the state constitution,
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in effect keeping access
to the procedure there.
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The turnout on a 100-degree day
in the middle of summer
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was 53%, historically high.
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They've never seen
anything like this.
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This is Barack Obama's numbers.
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Our state stood up and said no.
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We're the first ones to say no,
so I'm just-- I'm overjoyed.
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Wow. Kansas, amazing.
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-Absolutely...
-(cheers and applause).
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...amazing.
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Congratulations, Kansas.
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It's moments like these
I wish I knew
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which one of these states
you were.
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But either way, congratulations.
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No, for real though, for real.
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This is a huge
pro-choice victory
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and it's especially amazing
that it happened in Kansas,
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a state so red
that Trump won it by 14 points.
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Yeah. No one expected this.
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This was a bigger shock
than when Batgirl
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found out that her real nemesis
is the CEO of Warner Bros.
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And this is where you realize...
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this is where you realize
as well
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the antiabortion views
of right-wing lawmakers
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and some people
on the Supreme Court,
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they don't mirror
what actual Americans want.
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-Right?
-(applause)
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It's not accurate.
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And that's a huge problem
in this country.
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It's like letting the craziest
dude in your friend group
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plan your bachelor party.
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You're gonna be like, "I just
wanted to play beer pong.
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"How did we end up
in a Bangkok prison?
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Not cool, Samuel."
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Oh, and speaking of
earth-shattering news,
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Beyoncé is changing
her album again.
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Yeah. First she took out
the word "spaz" from a song
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because some people complained
that it was ableist, all right,
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and now she's removing a sample
from one of her other songs
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because Kelis complained
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that she didn't get
any credit from it.
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And look, I get what
Beyoncé is doing.
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It's very nice.
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But I also should point out
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this could turn into
a major disaster.
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'Cause you realize now,
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depending on when
you listened to the album,
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you could be hearing
completely different songs.
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(laughter)
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Yeah, it's just going to change.
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You don't even know
what the thing's going to be.
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Like, I heard
♪ You won't break my soul. ♪
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Then someone else is like
♪ You won't score a goal. ♪
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Someone else is like
♪ Someone check this mole. ♪
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You don't know.
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Can you imagine the chaos
this is going to cause.
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(applause)
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Yeah, the next time
you're at a Beyoncé concert,
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Beyoncé's gonna be like,
"Everyone sing along."
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We're going to be like,
"We can't! Which version?"
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(yelling)
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Oh, and because Beyoncé
is now taking requests,
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Monica Lewinsky,
sent out a tweet
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basically saying
what about removing her name
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in one of Beyoncé's
old songs "Partition." Right.
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It's a song where Beyoncé sang
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"He Monica Lewinsky'd
all on my gown."
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-(audience groaning)
-Yeah.
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And I mean,
I think we can all see why
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Monica wouldn't want that
in a song.
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(laughter)
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And for me personally,
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I also think Beyoncé
should change it in the song
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'cause it's not right.
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Technically it should be
"He Bill Clinton'd on my gown."
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'Cause that's the guy
who did all the jizzing.
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(applause, whooping)
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You got to remember
who did the thing.
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I'm not saying Beyoncé
did anything wrong.
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I'm just saying, Beyoncé,
you have under understand,
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with the way American
schools teach history,
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your songs might be
the only way children learn.
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It needs to be accurate,
Beyoncé, please.
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So whether you agree with it
or not,
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Beyoncé has made her choice.
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And good for her.
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In fact, you know what I think?
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They should say some artists
have to be forced to do it.
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Beyoncé was nice.
Some artists have to be forced.
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Yeah. Like R. Kelly.
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-(groaning, chuckling) -Yeah,
part of his sentence should be
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that he has to go back
and redo all of his old songs.
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'Cause age is not just a number.
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Yeah.
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Warn back in the studio.
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♪ My mind's telling me no ♪
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"And now my body understands
why it's a no.
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"My body completely understands.
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-My body completely
understands." -(applause)
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Oh, and speaking of people
who wish they could go back
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and change the past, Alex Jones,
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far-right-wing commentator
and man who makes Donald Trump
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look like
a reasonable human being,
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is currently on trial
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for spreading lies
about the Sandy Hook shooting.
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Right?
Saying that it was all a hoax.
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And today in the trial, one
of the funniest moments came...
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(chuckles)
when he found out
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that his inept lawyer
had screwed up
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and sent the prosecution
evidence
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that proved
Alex Jones committed perjury.
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MARK BANKSTON:
Mr. Jones,
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did you know that, 12 days ago,
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12 days ago,
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your attorneys messed up
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and sent me
an entire digital copy
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of your entire cell phone
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with every text message
you've sent
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for the past two years
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and, when informed,
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did not take any steps
to identify it as privileged
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or protect it in any way?
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And as of two days ago,
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it fell free and clear
into my possession,
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and that is how I know
you lied to me
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when you said you didn't have
text messages about Sandy Hook.
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-Did you know that? -If
I was mistaken, I was mistaken.
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But you-you got the messages
right there.
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I mean, I-I'm not a tech guy.
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I told you,
I gave, in my testimony,
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the phone to the lawyers before
or whatever.
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And-and so you've got my phone,
but we didn't give it to you.
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No, Mr. Jones.
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(coughs loudly)
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-(laughing)
-(laughter, applause)
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Oh, shit, that was funny!
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Oh, man.
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I like how he was--
he was so shocked,
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he started turning
into every emoji.
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He was like...
(grunting)
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At one point, he even tried
to give himself COVID.
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Did you see? It was like...
(coughs) "I can't speak.
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"You know
the disease I said is fake?
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Yeah, I got it.
I've got it now. I got it."
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You know you're in trouble
when the truth chokes you up
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like you're on an episode
of Hot Ones.
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You know?
With those spicy wings.
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Just like...
(groaning, coughing)
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"I'm sorry, what did I say?
Ah-ha-ha."
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But you realize,
you realize, this moment,
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this moment is huge.
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Right? Because it shows
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that Alex Jones
probably committed perjury.
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Which means
Alex Jones lies about stuff.
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-(chuckling)
-Yeah.
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I know. That's shocking. 'Cause
now I'm starting to wonder,
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does that mean
chemtrails from planes
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aren't turning the frogs gay?
(gasps)
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Was that also a lie?
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And, by the way,
where did he get that lawyer?
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(laughter)
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Can we just--
can we just talk about that?
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'Cause did you see how the
lawyer is just sitting there,
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like...
(scatting)
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I would love to be there
for that classic
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lawyer-client conversation
during recess,
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always just standing together.
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"So, uh, how do you think
it's going?"
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It's like, "Well, uh,
apart from the fact that I, uh,
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"screwed this whole thing up
worse
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"than any lawyer in history,
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"I think we still have a shot!
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I think we still have a shot."
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All right,
that's it for the headlines.
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But before we go
to a quick break,
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let's check in
on the stock market
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with our very own
finance expert,
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Michael Kosta, everybody!
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(cheering and applause)
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Michael,
the markets are crazy, man.
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-Yeah. -What's happening
in the market today?
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I'm crushing it, man.
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-Uh, I'm crushing it.
-That's what you always say.
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I'm like Jackie Chan
and Chris Tucker
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'cause I'm in Crush Hour 2,
ladies and gentlemen, all right?
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-You always say this, Kosta.
-And I got a hot tip for you.
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You want to make some money
like Kosta makes money?
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All right?
I got a hot tip for you,
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-so pay attention, all right?
-Okay. Okay.
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what we got here is,
the last five months,
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the gasoline price...
Actually before...
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Do you mind?
That story about the Airbnb
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-slavery story.
-Yeah.
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You know what I am saying?
Like, look,
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they shouldn't be
renting that out,
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but I appreciate them
being honest, you know?
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Every time I rent an Airbnb,
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they're not honest
about the pictures.
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You said... you said it was
a two-bedroom quaint apartment?
356
00:14:02,576 --> 00:14:04,778
I didn't know
"quaint" meant "haunted," okay?
357
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-(laughter)
-Let's be honest.
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Airbnb is just catfish
for a house, okay?
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Look, I don't want to sleep
where slavery happened.
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I'd prefer a hotel.
I'd rather sleep
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where lifeless, middle-aged,
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missionary-position
sex happened, but...
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(laughter)
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This is terrible.
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I mean, marketing off
of slavery? That's not cool.
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00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:27,067
-Right. -Using slavery to make
a buck, exploiting suffering?
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That's why I don't use Airbnb.
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00:14:29,236 --> 00:14:34,541
Instead, Trevor I'm a slave
to BargainHotels.Net.
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-Book a bargain today.
-(laughter)
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-What?
-Let's get to the chart, okay?
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So, Trevor, these are the gas...
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Actually, actually, that other
story about the Earth spinning,
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the Earth spinning so fast.
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I'm a financial expert,
I'm not a scientist,
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but I'm pretty sure
this is happening
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because of the large population
in Asia, okay?
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Think about it.
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If one part of the Earth is
a lot heavier than the other,
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-Jesus.
-...when the Earth spins...
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Okay, spinning, spinning,
spinning, gets to Asia.
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-Wham! Whip! Spin.
-(laughter)
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-Gets to Asia, whip.
-(applause)
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-Think about it. Think about it.
-You know what?
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You're right. You're not
a scientist. Just tell us
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-what's happening in the
markets, Kosta. -Okay, okay.
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This is the price of gasoline
over the last five months,
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and it's been a wild ride, okay?
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I mean, this reminds me
of the last time
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I took ayahuasca
and went on the C Train, okay?
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00:15:22,155 --> 00:15:23,624
I mean, those Showtime guys--
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I thought
they were my father, okay?
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But, look,
here's the good news, all right?
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The price of gas is back down.
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00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:33,433
Now the bad news is
that as gasoline gets cheaper,
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arson is gonna go up, okay?
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It's just so much cheaper
to commit arson now.
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Even I've been thinking
about it more, okay?
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Trevor, between us guys,
all right,
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it leaves no evidence,
you get the insurance money,
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-and it kills all the spiders.
-(laughter)
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All right, hot tip? I promised
you a hot tip, all right?
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00:15:55,255 --> 00:15:58,192
Booking a hotel room can feel
like a lot of labor.
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Ease the burden
with BargainHotels.Net.
404
00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:03,797
-Tell 'em Kosta sent you. -Do
not tell them Kosta anything.
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00:16:03,897 --> 00:16:05,332
Michael Kosta, everybody.
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(applause and cheering)
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I don't even want to know
what that website is.
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All right, when we come back,
we're going to be talking
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about how student debt is out
of control so don't go away.
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(cheering, applause)
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00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:24,465
(cheering, applause)
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
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Let's talk about student debt.
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It's as American
as milk that isn't milk.
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Millions of Americans
are college graduates,
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which is great.
College provides you
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job skills,
it exposes you to new ideas,
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00:16:47,221 --> 00:16:50,124
it gives you a friend named
Chad who's like a brother.
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Even though he spilled
bong water all inside your car.
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00:16:52,860 --> 00:16:56,163
I love you, Chad,
but you're a dick.
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00:16:56,263 --> 00:16:58,366
But because America
doesn't properly subsidize
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higher education
like almost every other
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developed nation in the world,
the number of Americans
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with student debt
is higher now than ever before.
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00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,577
And student debt
is a lot like an STD.
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00:17:09,677 --> 00:17:12,279
Yes, you can get it
by accident in college,
427
00:17:12,380 --> 00:17:14,982
but then it follows you around
for the rest of your life.
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00:17:15,082 --> 00:17:18,052
And when I say the rest
of your life, I mean it.
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There is a ticking time bomb
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looming over
the American economy.
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00:17:22,023 --> 00:17:24,592
Nearly two trillion dollars
in student loans
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owed by 50 million borrowers.
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00:17:27,695 --> 00:17:30,631
And this is not just
a problem for younger Americans.
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Those over 50 years old
have the fastest-growing
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student loan debt burden
of any age group.
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NEWSMAN: 40% of Americans
65 and older are in default.
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00:17:40,408 --> 00:17:43,611
And Washington will collect,
by garnishing
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the Social Security
of seniors in default.
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00:17:46,714 --> 00:17:48,549
We met Seraphina Galante
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on the campus
of San Diego State.
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00:17:51,352 --> 00:17:53,421
Galante had to pause
making payments
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four times
for various life problems.
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00:17:55,756 --> 00:17:59,026
But the bigger issue:
she got older.
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She can only work part time.
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00:18:01,395 --> 00:18:04,065
Her monthly payment--
$176--
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is income-based and doesn't
even cover the interest.
447
00:18:08,369 --> 00:18:10,004
This is gonna
follow you forever.
448
00:18:10,104 --> 00:18:11,939
This will follow me
to my grave.
449
00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:14,642
Yeah. When you picture
someone with student debt,
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00:18:14,742 --> 00:18:16,777
you might think
of the cast of Girls,
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00:18:16,877 --> 00:18:19,180
but you should be thinking
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00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,382
of the cast of Golden Girls.
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00:18:21,515 --> 00:18:23,651
Because eight million borrowers
over 50
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hold nearly a quarter
of all federal student debt.
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00:18:26,854 --> 00:18:27,888
(light gasping)
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And the craziest thing is,
some of them
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are even having
their Social Security checks
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garnished to pay it off.
459
00:18:34,028 --> 00:18:35,196
And, by the way,
when they say "garnished,"
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00:18:35,296 --> 00:18:37,732
it means the money
is taken out of the check.
461
00:18:37,832 --> 00:18:39,000
Right? They're not putting
a little parsley
462
00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:40,735
on the side of their checks
to make it fancy.
463
00:18:41,702 --> 00:18:43,404
This is a terrifying situation
to be in.
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00:18:43,537 --> 00:18:45,239
It's embarrassing.
I mean, you heard that woman.
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Her loans might follow her
to her grave.
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00:18:47,608 --> 00:18:49,410
That is disgusting.
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00:18:49,543 --> 00:18:50,745
When you're--
when you're on your deathbed,
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00:18:50,845 --> 00:18:53,214
you shouldn't be thinking
about college loans.
469
00:18:53,314 --> 00:18:54,682
You know?
You should be thinking of, like,
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00:18:54,782 --> 00:18:55,950
a cool deathbed confession
471
00:18:56,050 --> 00:18:58,452
that'll mess with your family
when you're gone.
472
00:18:58,552 --> 00:19:00,621
You know? Just be like,
"Your real father is..."
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00:19:00,721 --> 00:19:02,957
(mimics flatlining)
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00:19:03,057 --> 00:19:04,325
Keep everybody guessing.
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00:19:04,425 --> 00:19:06,460
(applause)
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00:19:07,561 --> 00:19:08,796
The point is,
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00:19:08,896 --> 00:19:11,899
America needs solutions
to the student debt crisis.
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00:19:11,999 --> 00:19:13,834
And it could be canceling
student loans.
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00:19:13,934 --> 00:19:15,903
It could be guaranteeing
free education.
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00:19:16,003 --> 00:19:18,072
You know? It could even be
punishing colleges
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00:19:18,172 --> 00:19:21,042
if their graduates can't get
the jobs that pay their loans.
482
00:19:21,142 --> 00:19:22,410
-Yeah.
-(cheering)
483
00:19:22,510 --> 00:19:24,145
I think that's
actually an interesting idea.
484
00:19:24,245 --> 00:19:25,212
(cheering and applause)
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Colleges will be like,
"Oh, come on in.
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You'll get a job.
You'll get a job."
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00:19:27,682 --> 00:19:28,949
And then what happens
if you don't?
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00:19:29,050 --> 00:19:30,518
If I was a college dean,
I would be a lot more concerned
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about my students getting jobs
and graduating
490
00:19:32,353 --> 00:19:34,121
if, otherwise, I'd have
to let them move in with me.
491
00:19:34,221 --> 00:19:35,389
Then people will be committed.
492
00:19:35,523 --> 00:19:36,590
Be like, "Damn it, Chad!
493
00:19:36,691 --> 00:19:39,160
"You spilled bong water
all over my foyer!
494
00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:41,529
I love you, but you're a dick."
495
00:19:41,595 --> 00:19:42,830
Whatever the solution is,
496
00:19:42,930 --> 00:19:45,399
America cannot allow people
to be so burdened by debt
497
00:19:45,533 --> 00:19:47,401
it follows them to the grave.
498
00:19:47,535 --> 00:19:49,136
Especially because
499
00:19:49,236 --> 00:19:52,139
it would make for a very awkward
reading of the will.
500
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,943
Today we'll be reading
from the will
501
00:19:56,043 --> 00:19:58,546
of Stanley McCormick,
502
00:19:58,579 --> 00:20:01,682
who died at the age of 89
last month
503
00:20:01,782 --> 00:20:04,685
while having sex
on a hot air balloon.
504
00:20:05,653 --> 00:20:07,321
That's how he wanted to go.
505
00:20:08,556 --> 00:20:10,791
Mr. McCormick
has left instructions
506
00:20:10,891 --> 00:20:13,127
for the distribution
of his estate.
507
00:20:13,227 --> 00:20:15,663
First, his life savings.
508
00:20:15,763 --> 00:20:18,265
All of which go to...
509
00:20:18,366 --> 00:20:19,567
Brent.
510
00:20:20,635 --> 00:20:22,403
-I'm sorry, who?
-Brent.
511
00:20:22,503 --> 00:20:24,372
♪ ♪
512
00:20:24,505 --> 00:20:27,308
He's the collection agent
513
00:20:27,408 --> 00:20:28,676
for your dad's student loans.
514
00:20:31,178 --> 00:20:32,747
Sorry for your loss.
515
00:20:32,847 --> 00:20:35,783
So Dad was paying
student loans for 60 years?
516
00:20:35,883 --> 00:20:37,785
He just had 15 more years to go.
517
00:20:37,885 --> 00:20:39,720
(clears throat)
Poor bastard.
518
00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:42,023
Let's move on
to the material assets.
519
00:20:42,123 --> 00:20:45,092
The car has been left
to... Brent.
520
00:20:45,192 --> 00:20:47,361
I thought
I was getting the Tercel.
521
00:20:47,528 --> 00:20:49,830
The residence located
at 110 Pine Lane--
522
00:20:49,930 --> 00:20:51,399
-Brent.
-Score!
523
00:20:51,532 --> 00:20:53,834
The family China set
524
00:20:53,934 --> 00:20:58,039
smuggled out of Poland
at the dawn of World War II.
525
00:20:58,139 --> 00:21:00,308
-Don't say "Brent."
-Brent.
526
00:21:00,408 --> 00:21:02,677
-Come on! -I don't even
like China. -Brent,
527
00:21:02,777 --> 00:21:04,979
can we please have that one?
528
00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:06,747
-It's really special
to our family. -Don't worry.
529
00:21:06,847 --> 00:21:08,816
This is gonna bring the
interest rate on his loan up
530
00:21:08,916 --> 00:21:11,352
-to seven percent. -I'm sorry.
It's going up to seven percent?
531
00:21:11,452 --> 00:21:12,920
Student loans are funny.
(laughs)
532
00:21:13,921 --> 00:21:15,723
(dish breaking)
533
00:21:15,823 --> 00:21:17,958
-What the...?
-The antique watch--
534
00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:20,895
-Brent.
-(ticking)
535
00:21:20,995 --> 00:21:22,730
The pipe collection-- Brent.
536
00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:23,764
(coughing)
537
00:21:23,864 --> 00:21:25,900
The beloved banjo-- Brent.
538
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,036
♪ ♪
539
00:21:29,136 --> 00:21:32,340
Skee-Ball tickets-- Brent.
540
00:21:32,506 --> 00:21:35,042
And finally,
his grandchildren's drawings.
541
00:21:35,142 --> 00:21:38,713
-Brent. -How are those going
to pay down his loans?
542
00:21:38,813 --> 00:21:40,214
I turn this shit into an NFT.
543
00:21:40,314 --> 00:21:43,351
And that covers everything.
544
00:21:43,517 --> 00:21:45,519
-(sighs)
-He did not do well in life.
545
00:21:45,553 --> 00:21:47,321
-That's for sure.
-I didn't even know he went
546
00:21:47,421 --> 00:21:48,689
-to college.
-I didn't...
547
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:50,524
-He didn't brag about it
a lot. -I'm sorry. The car.
548
00:21:50,591 --> 00:21:52,693
-Is this guy...?
-So we get nothing?
549
00:21:52,793 --> 00:21:56,163
Didn't you need grandad's stuff
to pay off your student's loans?
550
00:21:56,263 --> 00:21:59,066
-Shut up. -BRENT:
Can I get a little help here?
551
00:21:59,166 --> 00:22:01,202
I got a heavy load.
552
00:22:01,302 --> 00:22:02,803
All right, stay tuned,
because after a break,
553
00:22:02,903 --> 00:22:06,107
we're going to find out
why fish might have feelings.
554
00:22:06,207 --> 00:22:07,775
Don't go away.
555
00:22:07,875 --> 00:22:10,211
(applause and cheering)
556
00:22:17,719 --> 00:22:20,922
(applause)
557
00:22:21,022 --> 00:22:22,357
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
558
00:22:22,457 --> 00:22:24,225
My guest tonight is a really
interesting young man
559
00:22:24,325 --> 00:22:27,662
by the name of Ryuji Chua.
He's an activist and a filmmaker
560
00:22:27,762 --> 00:22:30,698
who makes educational content
about animal rights.
561
00:22:30,798 --> 00:22:33,635
He's here to talk about
his independent documentary
562
00:22:33,735 --> 00:22:36,504
How Conscious Can a Fish Be?
563
00:22:36,604 --> 00:22:38,773
CHUA: The theory of evolution
uncovers that traits
564
00:22:38,873 --> 00:22:40,808
that are better suited
to help an animal
565
00:22:40,908 --> 00:22:42,810
survive and reproduce
in their environment
566
00:22:42,910 --> 00:22:45,680
will get passed down
through generations.
567
00:22:45,780 --> 00:22:48,883
But that's not just limited
to physical traits.
568
00:22:48,983 --> 00:22:51,753
Behavioral traits,
personality and intelligence
569
00:22:51,853 --> 00:22:54,756
all also play a role
in helping an animal
570
00:22:54,856 --> 00:22:56,824
successfully survive
and reproduce.
571
00:22:56,925 --> 00:23:00,228
And so, also evolve
and develop over time.
572
00:23:00,328 --> 00:23:02,730
The ocean
is a harsh environment,
573
00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:04,766
and fish have
to solve problems
574
00:23:04,866 --> 00:23:08,069
and deal with strangers
every single day.
575
00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:11,105
In other words, it pays off
576
00:23:11,205 --> 00:23:12,407
to be smart down there.
577
00:23:12,507 --> 00:23:14,742
Please welcome Ryuji Chua.
578
00:23:14,842 --> 00:23:16,878
-♪ ♪
-(cheering, applause)
579
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,814
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
580
00:23:19,914 --> 00:23:21,950
Welcome.
581
00:23:27,221 --> 00:23:28,156
Welcome to the show.
582
00:23:28,256 --> 00:23:29,157
Thank you so much
for having me.
583
00:23:29,257 --> 00:23:30,525
It's, like, such an honor.
584
00:23:30,625 --> 00:23:33,361
It is-- it's-it's a really
interesting conversation
585
00:23:33,461 --> 00:23:35,997
that you are having, not just
in this documentary but online.
586
00:23:36,097 --> 00:23:38,299
You know, what-what I love
about the world we live in today
587
00:23:38,399 --> 00:23:40,835
is you can see
so many interesting people,
588
00:23:40,868 --> 00:23:42,203
so many different
points of view,
589
00:23:42,303 --> 00:23:44,038
and it's all because
we're connected on social media.
590
00:23:44,138 --> 00:23:46,407
You've built up
quite a following as someone
591
00:23:46,507 --> 00:23:48,643
who's a passionate
animal rights activist,
592
00:23:48,743 --> 00:23:50,845
and this documentary
in particular is one where
593
00:23:50,945 --> 00:23:52,213
some people are shocked,
because they go,
594
00:23:52,313 --> 00:23:54,849
"Wait, wait, Ryuji--
Ryuji, you've gone too far."
595
00:23:54,916 --> 00:23:58,319
You're saying that fish
can be conscious.
596
00:23:58,419 --> 00:24:00,088
Yeah, yeah.
597
00:24:01,923 --> 00:24:03,291
Yeah, so, you know,
the thing is that growing up,
598
00:24:03,391 --> 00:24:05,293
I didn't think this.
Right?
599
00:24:05,393 --> 00:24:07,028
I think, like many people,
I grew up to think that
600
00:24:07,128 --> 00:24:09,130
fish were these stupid,
unconscious animals
601
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:11,866
-who have a three-second memory
and can't feel pain. -Uh-huh.
602
00:24:11,966 --> 00:24:13,368
And that would be been fine,
forgivable,
603
00:24:13,468 --> 00:24:16,004
if I was, like, in 1703.
604
00:24:16,104 --> 00:24:18,339
But the thing is that today
there is a mountain of evidence
605
00:24:18,439 --> 00:24:20,608
produced through years
of research that suggests
606
00:24:20,708 --> 00:24:22,877
that fish feel, think,
and suffer
607
00:24:22,977 --> 00:24:24,545
like dogs, cats,
and other animals.
608
00:24:24,646 --> 00:24:26,547
It's interesting that you, that
you say that, because, like,
609
00:24:26,648 --> 00:24:27,815
you know, when we, when we think
610
00:24:27,882 --> 00:24:29,017
about the world
we're living in today,
611
00:24:29,117 --> 00:24:30,952
there's no denying that,
you know,
612
00:24:31,052 --> 00:24:33,988
-we have to change the ways we
think about our food. -Mm-hmm.
613
00:24:34,088 --> 00:24:36,090
There's no denying that it's,
it's becoming unsustainable.
614
00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:38,126
Uh, it's also terrible in
the way that we treat animals,
615
00:24:38,226 --> 00:24:39,427
and, you know,
we-we're just trying
616
00:24:39,527 --> 00:24:41,529
-to make the world
a better place. -Yeah.
617
00:24:41,629 --> 00:24:43,998
Now, many people will say,
"Oh, I-I can't be vegan,
618
00:24:44,098 --> 00:24:45,566
-but I am a vegetarian."
-Yeah, sure.
619
00:24:45,667 --> 00:24:47,101
Some people say, "Well, I'm not
that, but I'm pescatarian."
620
00:24:47,201 --> 00:24:48,836
-Sure. -"And I can eat fish
because I don't like
621
00:24:48,937 --> 00:24:50,004
-how everything else happens."
-Sure.
622
00:24:50,104 --> 00:24:51,472
But now you've basically come in
623
00:24:51,572 --> 00:24:53,174
-and you've, you've upended
that whole thing. -(laughter)
624
00:24:53,274 --> 00:24:54,575
Because there are
many people like,
625
00:24:54,676 --> 00:24:56,010
"Well, I'm good, I eat fish,"
626
00:24:56,110 --> 00:24:57,712
and you're like, "Well, you're
not as good as you think."
627
00:24:57,845 --> 00:24:59,614
Well, it-it's not about judging
people and saying,
628
00:24:59,714 --> 00:25:00,915
"You're not as good
as you think."
629
00:25:01,015 --> 00:25:02,183
-Uh-huh. -It's more
about thinking about it
630
00:25:02,283 --> 00:25:03,851
from the animal's perspective.
631
00:25:03,918 --> 00:25:04,919
So, the reason that I'm vegan,
for example,
632
00:25:05,019 --> 00:25:06,287
is because I just look at things
633
00:25:06,387 --> 00:25:08,256
from the animal's perspective
and I think to myself,
634
00:25:08,356 --> 00:25:10,224
"Would I want to be
in their shoes, right?"
635
00:25:10,325 --> 00:25:12,160
-Or in their fins, as it may be.
-Okay. (laughs)
636
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:15,063
And the thing is that,
when you look at it that way,
637
00:25:15,163 --> 00:25:16,798
well, the things
that we do to...
638
00:25:16,864 --> 00:25:18,199
-Well, I think that we're
missing two things. -Yes.
639
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:20,068
First is the fact that,
for a lot of these animals,
640
00:25:20,168 --> 00:25:22,136
we stereotype them in ways
where we think that...
641
00:25:22,236 --> 00:25:25,373
-You know, w-we call animals
in farms livestock. -Okay.
642
00:25:25,473 --> 00:25:28,009
Right, we almost look at them
like a something, not a someone,
643
00:25:28,109 --> 00:25:30,812
when, in fact, all of them--
they can play and have families
644
00:25:30,878 --> 00:25:32,113
and build connections,
just like dogs,
645
00:25:32,213 --> 00:25:33,615
cats, and other animals.
646
00:25:33,715 --> 00:25:35,950
And the second thing is, I think
people vastly underestimate
647
00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:38,886
the degree to which they suffer
in these systems,
648
00:25:38,987 --> 00:25:41,656
um, because obviously
the industry is not going to,
649
00:25:41,823 --> 00:25:44,058
you know, kind of
broadcast it themselves,
650
00:25:44,158 --> 00:25:46,127
um, and the-the information
is accessible,
651
00:25:46,227 --> 00:25:47,595
but it's also uncomfortable
to face.
652
00:25:47,695 --> 00:25:48,830
I think a lot of people--
653
00:25:48,896 --> 00:25:50,431
uh, me, myself included
for a long time--
654
00:25:50,531 --> 00:25:52,834
just don't know how much
these animals suffer
655
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:54,836
-and how many animals suffer.
-Yeah.
656
00:25:54,902 --> 00:25:57,705
It is, it is, it is a difficult
thing to, um, I think,
657
00:25:57,839 --> 00:25:59,140
consume or even process because,
658
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,441
y-you know,
you grow up eating meat,
659
00:26:00,541 --> 00:26:01,743
you grow up eating
whatever diet you grow up.
660
00:26:01,843 --> 00:26:03,745
-Some people don't.
-Absolutely. yeah.
661
00:26:03,845 --> 00:26:05,246
But-but then, for instance,
you're right, you see
662
00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:06,614
a documentary, you go like,
"Wow, that's how
663
00:26:06,714 --> 00:26:07,982
"they treat cows?
I-I don't want cows.
664
00:26:08,082 --> 00:26:09,917
"I want, you know,
free-range cows,
665
00:26:10,018 --> 00:26:11,853
I want free-range chickens,
I-I don't think that's good."
666
00:26:11,953 --> 00:26:13,221
And then you-you see
something else and you're like,
667
00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:15,723
"Okay, I-I-I won't
do that either."
668
00:26:15,857 --> 00:26:16,991
But then many people would
argue, they'd be like,
669
00:26:17,091 --> 00:26:18,826
okay, but fish
are in the ocean...
670
00:26:18,927 --> 00:26:20,428
-Yeah, yeah.
-...just swimming around.
671
00:26:20,528 --> 00:26:22,597
And so if I eat
wild-caught fish,
672
00:26:22,697 --> 00:26:24,599
then why is that a bad thing?
673
00:26:24,699 --> 00:26:26,234
Or-or you're saying
it's not good or bad, though.
674
00:26:26,334 --> 00:26:28,469
-Is that what you're arguing?
-Yeah, I'm not say...
675
00:26:28,569 --> 00:26:30,071
You're not even trying
to moralize it essentially.
676
00:26:30,171 --> 00:26:31,472
You could...
No, I wouldn't moralize it.
677
00:26:31,572 --> 00:26:33,474
-But it's not about good
or bad. -Uh-huh.
678
00:26:33,574 --> 00:26:35,109
It's just that whether
or not me or you
679
00:26:35,209 --> 00:26:37,111
or anyone else thinks
this is good or bad,
680
00:26:37,211 --> 00:26:39,113
fishing causes
tremendous suffering
681
00:26:39,213 --> 00:26:41,482
to an immeasurable number
of fish
682
00:26:41,582 --> 00:26:42,650
and that's the issue to me.
683
00:26:42,817 --> 00:26:44,419
And for me, an issue is an issue
684
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:45,987
-when there's someone
who suffers. -Right.
685
00:26:46,087 --> 00:26:48,356
So I don't care that like...
Look, I'm not going sit here
686
00:26:48,456 --> 00:26:50,358
and be like I emotionally
feel compelled
687
00:26:50,458 --> 00:26:52,427
to care about fish
the same way I care about dogs.
688
00:26:52,527 --> 00:26:53,728
-I didn't grow up around fish.
-Uh-huh. Right.
689
00:26:53,828 --> 00:26:54,862
Right? But I grew up
around dogs.
690
00:26:54,963 --> 00:26:56,230
And they don't do cool tricks.
691
00:26:56,331 --> 00:26:58,333
Yeah, they don't... Well,
some of them do cool tricks.
692
00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:00,201
Ah, I mean, not as cool
as a dog but okay.
693
00:27:00,301 --> 00:27:01,502
-Yes.
-Yeah, yeah.
694
00:27:01,603 --> 00:27:03,504
But, um...
Yeah, so the thing is,
695
00:27:03,605 --> 00:27:06,140
because they suffer and their
suffering matters to them,
696
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,009
-that's why I flag it
as an issue. -Uh-huh.
697
00:27:08,109 --> 00:27:09,110
But it's interesting
that you say suffer.
698
00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:10,945
So let's talk a little bit
about that
699
00:27:11,045 --> 00:27:12,480
because I know
in the documentary and...
700
00:27:12,580 --> 00:27:14,549
you-you know,
you cite the research,
701
00:27:14,649 --> 00:27:15,950
there-there is mounting evidence
702
00:27:16,050 --> 00:27:18,620
that talks about suffering
or pain, et cetera.
703
00:27:18,786 --> 00:27:19,887
We know that pain
extends far further
704
00:27:19,988 --> 00:27:21,889
-than we thought it ever did.
-Sure. Sure.
705
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:23,224
You know, we learn
new things every day.
706
00:27:23,324 --> 00:27:24,926
People, for instance,
watched the documentary
707
00:27:25,026 --> 00:27:26,227
about the octopus on Netflix.
708
00:27:26,327 --> 00:27:27,562
People are like,
"Ah, the octopus has feelings."
709
00:27:27,662 --> 00:27:28,896
And I'll be like, I don't
want to eat octopus anymore,
710
00:27:28,997 --> 00:27:30,465
which is-which is fine.
711
00:27:30,565 --> 00:27:33,901
But-but when we think of it
through the lens of suffering,
712
00:27:34,002 --> 00:27:36,504
do you not think sometimes
we're imbuing animals
713
00:27:36,604 --> 00:27:39,007
with a level of almost
complicated consciousness
714
00:27:39,107 --> 00:27:42,143
that they don't necessarily need
because of the circle of life.
715
00:27:42,243 --> 00:27:45,847
So, like, let's say
when a lion is-is hunting
716
00:27:45,947 --> 00:27:47,382
and then, you know,
it goes and it grabs
717
00:27:47,482 --> 00:27:48,816
like an antelope or whatever,
718
00:27:48,916 --> 00:27:51,352
right, the other antelope
are like, "Ah, that sucked,"
719
00:27:51,452 --> 00:27:52,654
and then they just carry on
with their lives.
720
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:54,822
-(laughter)
-No, no, I mean this honestly.
721
00:27:54,856 --> 00:27:56,391
I watch them sometimes
722
00:27:56,491 --> 00:27:58,426
and, you know,
the antelope thing happens
723
00:27:58,526 --> 00:27:59,827
and the antelope just carry on.
724
00:27:59,894 --> 00:28:01,663
I'm like, wow, I'm a lot more
devastated on my couch
725
00:28:01,829 --> 00:28:04,065
than they are,
so are they suffering
726
00:28:04,165 --> 00:28:05,433
or do you think
we're imbuing them
727
00:28:05,533 --> 00:28:07,101
with the idea of what we think
suffering is?
728
00:28:07,201 --> 00:28:09,504
Yeah, I mean, I think the...
729
00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:13,041
It's a complicated conversation
definitely, but the fact...
730
00:28:13,141 --> 00:28:14,609
Like the way
that we define suffering,
731
00:28:14,709 --> 00:28:16,344
or the way that I would
think about suffering,
732
00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:18,579
is an experience
that's unpleasant to you.
733
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,014
-Okay. -Right? That's kind of,
like, the definition
734
00:28:20,114 --> 00:28:21,516
-of-of suffering.
-Right.
735
00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:23,618
And, in that sense, I think it's
undeniable that animals suffer.
736
00:28:23,785 --> 00:28:25,653
Say, like when
an antelope gets eaten.
737
00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:27,689
That's probably
a painful experience.
738
00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:29,023
-Yeah. Probably. I'm going to
agree. -And there's-there's...
739
00:28:29,123 --> 00:28:30,325
-Yeah. -Yeah.
Like, do you know what I mean?
740
00:28:30,425 --> 00:28:31,926
And at the end of the day,
like, whether or not,
741
00:28:32,026 --> 00:28:33,962
like, how complicated
that suffering is,
742
00:28:34,062 --> 00:28:35,396
I don't think it's that relevant
743
00:28:35,496 --> 00:28:37,432
to whether or not we should care
about that suffering.
744
00:28:37,532 --> 00:28:40,034
-Mm-hmm. -I mean, whether or not
they're as devastated
745
00:28:40,134 --> 00:28:42,103
as you or I would be
in a similar situation
746
00:28:42,203 --> 00:28:43,938
doesn't change the fact
that they're being eaten alive.
747
00:28:44,038 --> 00:28:45,173
-I hear what you're saying.
-It's horrible. Right?
748
00:28:45,273 --> 00:28:46,708
And similar,
for example, with fish,
749
00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:49,410
when they're being grabbed out
of the ocean in a huge nets,
750
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:50,812
well, they die in horrific ways.
751
00:28:50,912 --> 00:28:52,814
They're being crushed
under the weight of other fish,
752
00:28:52,847 --> 00:28:54,315
and then they're--
just spill onto this boat.
753
00:28:54,415 --> 00:28:56,384
Oftentimes they're put in
this mixture of ice and water.
754
00:28:56,484 --> 00:28:58,052
-They're suffocating
the whole time. -Mm-hmm.
755
00:28:58,152 --> 00:28:59,921
And that experience to them
might not be so different
756
00:29:00,021 --> 00:29:01,689
to the experience
of you or me drowning.
757
00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:03,291
You know? In-in a way,
it's a very primal form
758
00:29:03,391 --> 00:29:05,126
of-of suffering that
they experience in that moment.
759
00:29:05,226 --> 00:29:06,527
So then let's talk about it
through the lens
760
00:29:06,628 --> 00:29:08,529
-of just animals. And help me
understand this. -Yeah.
761
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:10,331
If I said to you then, "Okay,
762
00:29:10,431 --> 00:29:12,100
"Ryuji, what's gonna happen is
763
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,836
"we're gonna get rid
of all industrialized farming.
764
00:29:14,936 --> 00:29:16,304
"You know?
There will be no boats
765
00:29:16,404 --> 00:29:17,972
"that are catching thousands
of fish.
766
00:29:18,072 --> 00:29:19,407
"We're gonna go back
to the olden days--
767
00:29:19,507 --> 00:29:20,875
"like, one person, you catch
your fish, I catch my fish.
768
00:29:20,975 --> 00:29:22,143
We-we do the whole thing."
769
00:29:22,243 --> 00:29:23,778
Would you be happy with that
for yourself?
770
00:29:23,811 --> 00:29:25,913
Or are you saying, no,
you wouldn't even engage
771
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,982
with the eating
of a living thing?
772
00:29:28,082 --> 00:29:30,118
Sure, ag-again, for me,
it's not about me being happy.
773
00:29:30,218 --> 00:29:31,519
-Okay.
-Right? So, for me,
774
00:29:31,619 --> 00:29:33,821
it's about doing the best thing
possible for the animals,
775
00:29:33,922 --> 00:29:35,223
looking at it
from their perspective.
776
00:29:35,323 --> 00:29:37,158
-But what about us?
-(chuckling)
777
00:29:37,258 --> 00:29:38,693
No, and I don't-- I don't
even mean this, like, selfishly.
778
00:29:38,793 --> 00:29:39,861
-No, no, no, no, no. I...
-No, no, I mean... (stammers)
779
00:29:39,961 --> 00:29:41,195
And the reason I say this--
what about us?--
780
00:29:41,296 --> 00:29:42,864
is because I go,
"Sometimes, as humans,
781
00:29:42,964 --> 00:29:44,666
you know, I feel like we forget
that we're also animals."
782
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,367
-Yeah, sure. Yeah.
-Okay? So we are also animals.
783
00:29:46,467 --> 00:29:47,869
-Mm-hmm.
-And then those animals, like--
784
00:29:47,969 --> 00:29:48,937
There's a lot of time
where you'll go, like,
785
00:29:49,037 --> 00:29:50,171
"Aw, the animal."
786
00:29:50,271 --> 00:29:51,606
But then the animal
will do a thing to you.
787
00:29:51,706 --> 00:29:52,807
Like, let's say you see,
like, a bear,
788
00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:54,075
You're like,
"Aw, the bear's cute."
789
00:29:54,175 --> 00:29:55,376
Then some people go,
"Let me go touch the bear,"
790
00:29:55,476 --> 00:29:56,878
-Then the bear's like...
(growls) Right? -(laughs): Yeah.
791
00:29:56,978 --> 00:29:58,479
Then the people are like,
"That bear's an asshole."
792
00:29:58,579 --> 00:29:59,714
-Yeah. -Then I'm like,
"No, the bear's just a bear.
793
00:29:59,814 --> 00:30:01,082
-It's doing bear things."
-Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
794
00:30:01,182 --> 00:30:03,117
Are we-- are we not just doing
human things in that way?
795
00:30:03,217 --> 00:30:05,453
Like, is-is it-- is it--
Does it need to be moralized
796
00:30:05,553 --> 00:30:07,188
in any way, shape, or-- Should
we-- Are we not just meant
797
00:30:07,288 --> 00:30:09,424
to eat the thing
because it's-it's food for us?
798
00:30:09,524 --> 00:30:11,225
Yeah, sure. I mean, you could
say that it's a human thing,
799
00:30:11,326 --> 00:30:13,494
but, again, whether or not
you or me or anyone else
800
00:30:13,595 --> 00:30:15,496
considers this a human thing
doesn't change the fact
801
00:30:15,597 --> 00:30:16,965
that an action
would cause suffering.
802
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,367
And in my view,
if we can prevent suffering
803
00:30:19,467 --> 00:30:20,768
from happening,
then why not do it?
804
00:30:20,802 --> 00:30:22,170
-That's fascinating.
-You know? Because if I was
805
00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:25,073
-in that position, then I would
not want to suffer. -Yeah.
806
00:30:25,173 --> 00:30:26,307
Huh.
807
00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:27,775
"If I was in that position,
I would not..."
808
00:30:27,875 --> 00:30:30,144
I-I agree. If I was a fish,
I would not want to be caught.
809
00:30:30,244 --> 00:30:32,146
-Yeah. No, yeah. Exactly.
-I-I completely agree with you.
810
00:30:32,246 --> 00:30:34,048
They don't try to be caught.
They don't want to, like,
811
00:30:34,148 --> 00:30:35,316
-have-have that existence.
-Yeah.
812
00:30:35,416 --> 00:30:36,985
So what would you say
to somebody
813
00:30:37,085 --> 00:30:39,420
who wants to get into this life?
814
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,989
Because one thing
I do appreciate
815
00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:42,824
about you honestly is this.
Is, like, oftentimes,
816
00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:44,292
you'll talk to vegans.
817
00:30:44,392 --> 00:30:45,793
And one-- they'll always
let you know
818
00:30:45,893 --> 00:30:47,195
that they're vegans
without you asking them.
819
00:30:47,295 --> 00:30:49,664
And two-- they will judge
people, but you don't judge.
820
00:30:49,797 --> 00:30:51,799
That's something
I've really appreciated.
821
00:30:51,833 --> 00:30:53,368
You inform people, you do
the research, you talk about it.
822
00:30:53,468 --> 00:30:55,370
But you're not judging.
You're not like,
823
00:30:55,470 --> 00:30:56,971
"You're an asshole for doing
this." -Yeah, yeah, yeah.
824
00:30:57,071 --> 00:30:58,539
"You're wrong for doing this."
You go, "This is why I'm making
825
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,974
the decision, and this is what
we should be cognizant of."
826
00:31:00,074 --> 00:31:01,542
So if somebody says to you,
"Okay,
827
00:31:01,643 --> 00:31:03,978
"I want to explore getting
into this world..." -Yeah.
828
00:31:04,078 --> 00:31:06,047
"...but may not have
the nutrition, I may not..."
829
00:31:06,147 --> 00:31:08,216
I mean, look at America. There's
people who live in food deserts.
830
00:31:08,316 --> 00:31:09,584
-Absolutely. -There's people
who don't have access
831
00:31:09,684 --> 00:31:11,085
-to the right foods.
-Sure. For sure.
832
00:31:11,185 --> 00:31:12,654
How can they even begin
the journey
833
00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:14,956
of a more ethical existence
when it comes to what they eat?
834
00:31:15,056 --> 00:31:17,792
So I think there are,
well, three things really.
835
00:31:17,892 --> 00:31:20,428
The first thing would be
to change our view
836
00:31:20,528 --> 00:31:22,563
-on how we see animals.
Right? -Okay.
837
00:31:22,664 --> 00:31:25,133
So for me, the big thing
that changed becoming a vegan
838
00:31:25,233 --> 00:31:26,668
is that I started seeing
all animals
839
00:31:26,768 --> 00:31:28,836
-as a someone,
not a something. -Okay.
840
00:31:28,937 --> 00:31:30,571
Previously, I never spent time
with cows
841
00:31:30,672 --> 00:31:32,273
or chickens or pigs,
but it turns out
842
00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:34,042
that they're just like
dogs and cats.
843
00:31:34,142 --> 00:31:36,044
And I think the more we can have
that mindset is really good.
844
00:31:36,144 --> 00:31:37,979
The second thing is
to get informed
845
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:39,781
about what we actually
do to them.
846
00:31:39,847 --> 00:31:42,784
Because, again, I think that
many people vastly underestimate
847
00:31:42,884 --> 00:31:44,953
the amount of suffering
that we cause them,
848
00:31:45,053 --> 00:31:47,121
-even in just the legal things
that we do to them. -Uh-huh.
849
00:31:47,221 --> 00:31:49,223
A lot of those things are things
that would be outrageous
850
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:50,858
if done to dogs and cats.
It would be illegal.
851
00:31:50,959 --> 00:31:52,794
Like, they would get canceled
and arrested
852
00:31:52,894 --> 00:31:55,029
if we did this to dogs and cats
is what would happen.
853
00:31:55,129 --> 00:31:56,364
-Right?
-Right, right.
854
00:31:56,464 --> 00:31:57,799
So I think getting informed
on that.
855
00:31:57,899 --> 00:31:59,801
And thirdly,
there are so many resources
856
00:31:59,901 --> 00:32:01,235
on how
to live a vegan lifestyle,
857
00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:02,804
-in many different shapes
and forms. -Mm-hmm.
858
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:04,672
Like, I think one
of the misconceptions is
859
00:32:04,806 --> 00:32:06,808
that being vegan is
all about eating, you know,
860
00:32:06,874 --> 00:32:09,177
Beyond Meat and
these fancy meat substitutes.
861
00:32:09,277 --> 00:32:11,879
But in fact, you can have
a very simple, whole-food,
862
00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:14,582
plant-based lifestyle that is...
could be a lot cheaper
863
00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:15,883
-and a lot healthier, as well.
-Mm-hmm.
864
00:32:15,984 --> 00:32:17,318
There are many, many ways
to go about it,
865
00:32:17,418 --> 00:32:18,720
and so, you can just
do research on that
866
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:20,488
-and find what works for you.
-I'll tell you this.
867
00:32:20,588 --> 00:32:21,923
You're fascinating. I've really
enjoyed talking to you.
868
00:32:22,023 --> 00:32:23,258
Thank you so much
for joining me on the show.
869
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:24,659
Thank you so much
for having me. I appreciate it.
870
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:26,127
Really, really fun.
871
00:32:26,227 --> 00:32:28,963
How Conscience Can a Fish Be?
872
00:32:29,063 --> 00:32:30,632
Find out by streaming
his documentary on YouTube.
873
00:32:30,732 --> 00:32:31,966
We're gonna take a quick break,
874
00:32:32,066 --> 00:32:33,434
but we'll be right back
after this.
875
00:32:33,534 --> 00:32:34,836
-Thank you again.
-Thank you.
876
00:32:34,936 --> 00:32:36,971
-For real, man.
-(applause and cheering)
877
00:32:40,781 --> 00:32:42,349
(applause and cheering)
878
00:32:42,449 --> 00:32:44,951
Well, that's our show
for tonight, but before we go,
879
00:32:45,052 --> 00:32:47,321
remember recovery efforts
are underway
880
00:32:47,421 --> 00:32:48,689
after record-breaking
flood waters
881
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:50,223
have hit Eastern Kentucky.
882
00:32:50,324 --> 00:32:51,892
We can all help them,
and we should.
883
00:32:51,992 --> 00:32:54,761
The Foundation for Appalachian
Kentucky is doing all they...
884
00:32:54,861 --> 00:32:56,396
all that they can
to help in these efforts.
885
00:32:56,496 --> 00:32:58,298
So, please, if you can,
consider supporting them
886
00:32:58,398 --> 00:33:00,734
and the important work
that they do at the link below.
887
00:33:00,834 --> 00:33:02,936
Until next time, stay safe
out there and remember.
888
00:33:03,036 --> 00:33:04,504
You're not singing
the lyrics wrong.
889
00:33:04,604 --> 00:33:06,206
Beyoncé just changed the album.
890
00:33:06,306 --> 00:33:08,342
Now here it is--
Your Moment of Zen.
891
00:33:08,442 --> 00:33:10,944
♪ ♪
892
00:33:11,044 --> 00:33:14,114
-Live television, gang. That's
live TV for you. -(laughter)
893
00:33:14,214 --> 00:33:16,917
Excuse me. My son... My kids
are here. Live television.
894
00:33:17,017 --> 00:33:18,585
We'll do it live! (bleep) it!
895
00:33:18,685 --> 00:33:21,388
Out of curiosity,
what brewery is that?
896
00:33:23,423 --> 00:33:25,058
What-what brew...?
Where are you?
897
00:33:25,158 --> 00:33:26,994
What brewery is that?
898
00:33:27,094 --> 00:33:28,996
-Oh, I think we lost Kerry.
Yeah. -All right. -Oh, no.
899
00:33:29,096 --> 00:33:31,131
-Yeah. -We were so close to
finding that out, too. -Okay.
900
00:33:31,231 --> 00:33:34,034
All right, well, can hear me,
Kerry? Can you hear me now?
901
00:33:34,134 --> 00:33:36,203
-Okay, we've lost Kerry.
-We've lost Kerry.
902
00:33:36,303 --> 00:33:37,971
-Or Kerry's just drunk.
-Or Kerry's drunk.
903
00:33:38,071 --> 00:33:40,040
He's just drunk right now.
904
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:42,542
He's been doing these hits.
Anyway... All right.
905
00:33:42,642 --> 00:33:43,944
-He's back! -He's back!
-He's back. Kerry's back.
906
00:33:44,044 --> 00:33:46,013
-He's back. Okay.
-Kerry's Back. Kerry's back.
907
00:33:46,113 --> 00:33:47,347
Hey, hey, Kerry, any time...
908
00:33:47,447 --> 00:33:49,883
Are we going see this resolved
anytime soon?
909
00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:54,321
♪ ♪