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ANNOUNCER: Coming to you
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the only city in America,
it's The Daily Show.
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Tonight--
Putin's sham election,
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where K-pop came from
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and William MacAskill.
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This is
The Daily Show with Trevor Noah!
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What's going on, everybody?
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Welcome to The Daily Show.
I'm Trevor Noah.
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COVID is being replaced
by something even worse,
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NASA has launched its war
with space,
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and Ronny Chieng goes deep
into the world of K-pop.
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Let's jump straight
into today's headlines.
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All right, everybody.
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Before we get into
the big stories, let's catch up
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on a few other things
going on in the world,
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starting with the big moment
watched live around the globe.
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Last night, NASA tested
a new planetary defense system
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by smashing a spacecraft
into an asteroid.
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Boom! Yeah.
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How you like that, asteroid?
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That was for the dinosaurs.
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(laughter)
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(applause and cheering)
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And in case you're wondering,
in case you're wondering.
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No, the asteroid was not heading
for Earth, all right?
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We're just testing the system.
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It wasn't heading towards us.
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But now the other asteroids--
they know not to test us.
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"You don't mess with Earth, man.
We're loco, man."
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In health news,
researchers have discovered
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that you can
dissolve pills faster
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if you lie on your right side.
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Which raises
a big question for me.
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-How do I become a researcher?
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No, 'cause it just sounds
like fun, right?
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-(applause)
-Sounds like a lot of fun.
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You just sit around all day
thinking random thoughts.
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Like, "Huh.
I wonder what would happen
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"if I took Advil doggy style.
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Huh. Huh."
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Oh, and in financial news,
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Donald Trump is back
on the Forbes 400 list
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of America's richest people
at number 343,
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which I love so much. Yeah.
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I mean, how ironic is it
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that Donald Trump is
the only guy doing well
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-in Joe Biden's economy, huh?
-(laughter)
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Yeah, he's going to end up
running for president
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and then voting for Biden.
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"I made so much money
under Joe Brandon.
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"And this Trump guy was crazy.
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"I hear he wanted bleach
in his lung.
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He's crazy.
I'm voting for Joe."
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But let's move on to some of
the bigger stories of the day,
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starting with our ongoing
coverage of the war in Ukraine.
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It has been seven months
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since Vladimir Putin went
all Kool-Aid man on Ukraine.
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But from day one, the war
has been a disaster for him.
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First, Putin tried to take over
all of Ukraine,
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but the Ukrainian army
stopped him.
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Then he tried to take over
the eastern half,
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but the Ukrainian army
stopped him.
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Then he tried to slide into
an Instagram model's DMs,
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and Instagram, like,
it was just Instagram
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so the Ukrainian army
didn't do anything
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because it was Instagram.
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Yeah, he was-he was stopped
by the fact
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that he looks like a heavily-
botoxed Gollum in a suit.
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No offense to Gollum--
I just need an example.
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The point is,
Vladimir Putin is not #winning.
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So, after seven months of war,
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the Russian army only controls
a slice of Ukraine.
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And now the Ukrainians
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are threatening
to take that back, too.
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But before that happens,
Vladimir Putin is saying,
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"Hey, hey, hey,
what about democracy?"
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WOMAN: In Ukraine,
Russian controlled areas
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in the east of the country
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are wrapping up a series
of referendums
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asking voters if they want
to be a part of Russia.
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The votes are illegal
under international law
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and some Ukrainians have been
forced to vote at gunpoint.
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WOMAN 2: Election officials,
accompanied by armed soldiers,
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go traipsing up flights
of stairs, knocking on doors,
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searching for voters.
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In the past few minutes,
the Russian state media
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has announced
the primary results,
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claiming that people have voted
overwhelmingly in favor
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of becoming part
of the Russian federation.
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The results supposedly showing
97% or 98% of the vote
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being in favor
of joining the federation.
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Yeah, you hear that?
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Russian soldiers
are going door-to-door
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forcing people to vote
to join Russia.
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And so because of that,
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97% of the vote
has been pro-Putin.
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Yeah. But,
I mean, let's be honest.
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I mean, these-these voters
have a "choice"
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in the same way
we have a "choice"
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to not accept cookies
on that website, you know?
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(laughter)
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Yeah, it's like,
"What? So, what, if I pick no,
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"can I not see
how child stars have age?
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What kind of a choice is that?!"
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97 percent.
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You know what my question is:
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Who the hell
is the three percent?
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No, I'm really impressed
by this.
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Who had the balls
to still vote against Putin
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while his soldiers watched them
mark their ballots?
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Who was there and just like,
"Yes, I have voted...
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"for your mama. Ah.
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"Ah, look at.
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"Oh, I voted twice.
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Oh, oh."
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(applause)
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So, yeah, because it's a sham,
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it looks like "98%"
of "the voters"
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in this "election" "voted"
to become a part of Russia.
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And honestly, like, why do they
even go through all of this?
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Huh? Like going door-to-door,
making everyone sign shit
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just so you can do what
you're already doing anyway.
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I mean, it's one thing
to conquer a town
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and blow up their buildings but
then to make them do paperwork?
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There is evil
and then there's evil!
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And this is that classic
middle school bully move,
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forcing you to say something
and then acting like it's legit.
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"Say you want to eat dog poop,
say you want to eat dog poop."
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"Oh, I like to eat dog poop."
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(laughing): "He said it,
he likes eating dog poop."
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"No, I didn't, Steve.
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"I just said it
because you made me say it.
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I'm glad your parents broke up."
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But let's move on...
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to some news
that's closer to home.
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Even though
the coronavirus pandemic seems
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to finally be on its way out,
I think we can all admit
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the world is not exactly
the same as it used to be.
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We're less eager to shake
strangers' hands, you know,
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people generally don't sit
next to each other
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in public places anymore,
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and now every time you rob
a bank, it takes so much longer
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for people
to know you're the robber
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because everyone else
is wearing a mask.
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Yeah, so then you have
to pull out a gun,
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but because it's America,
everyone else pulls out a gun,
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and then it's like at that point
you just end up
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opening up a checking account
and leaving.
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You know, I was just trying
to rob the bank.
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Pandemic spoiled everything.
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But good news,
good news, people.
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There is one part
of American life
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that is coming roaring back.
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Traffic is coming back
to pre-pandemic levels.
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I've seen it with my own eyes.
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This, all thanks to a push for
workers to return to the office.
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Major U.S. cities, including
Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago,
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seeing more commuter traffic
congestion, and it is growing.
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Traffic is above pre-pandemic
levels in Miami and Dallas,
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in Houston and in Phoenix.
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There is an interesting
disparity, though,
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taking place in the numbers.
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Monday and Friday, that is
when traffic is typically lower,
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even lower than it was
before the pandemic.
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Wednesday and Thursday are the
really big days for traffic now
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in major cities
across the country.
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It really starts to begin
to rise today, Tuesday.
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Yeah, you see, because everyone
now works remote part-time
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and then everyone gets to choose
which days they work remote
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and which days they come in,
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all of the traffic that used
to be during the week
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is now only on Tuesday,
Wednesday, and Thursday,
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which sucks.
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All of it crammed together.
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I will say,
as bad as it is for us humans,
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it is good for the cars,
you know.
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Yeah, because
now that traffic is slow,
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it gives them a chance
to catch up again.
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Hey there, Craig, hey!
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-Hey, Craig, long time no see,
buddy, hey! -(horns honking)
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Yeah, nice paint job! Ha!
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Nothing wrong with turning back
the clock a little bit, huh?
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Me? Yeah, things have been good.
(chuckles)
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Some teenagers had sex in me--
that was cool.
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(chuckles)
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Oh, boy, did you hear
about Jerry, by the way?
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His owner dumped him
for an electric.
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Yeah, he's taking it real hard,
he's hooked on diesel now.
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It's a real shame, man.
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Oh, by the way,
looks like my lane is moving.
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See you in two seconds, buddy!
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(laughs)
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(applause)
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You know...
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You know, when-when
you think about it,
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the new traffic problem
makes sense, right,
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'cause everyone would rather
spend an extra day at home
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on a Monday and a Friday,
and that means that those days
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are gonna be the days when
everyone is chilling, right?
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'Cause those are the days
when you're making the hangover
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or recovering from the hangover,
you know what I mean?
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Yeah, but now, but now,
think about this,
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if everyone is choosing
the same days to be on the road,
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then those days
are gonna suck even more,
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which means Tuesday
is gonna be the new Friday
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and then Thursday
is gonna be the new Monday?
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And then-- Wait, what?
Oh, I guess Wednesday's
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still gonna to be in the middle,
it'll be that weird day
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in the middle, like the D
that nobody even uses. Like...
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No, who says "Wed-nesday,"
anyway, huh?
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It's probably the same people
who say "Feb-ruary."
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Should be arrested.
The point is-- the point is--
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this problem is happening
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because the week
was designed incorrectly.
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Yeah, think about it.
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Who said the week
has to be seven days, huh?
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That's not a rule.
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That's what people
don't realize.
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If we all do the same week,
it's not gonna get better.
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My solution is instead
of seven days we should have
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a five-day week, yeah?
Think about it, think about it.
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Because you've seen every study
that comes out that says
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the fewer days we work,
doesn't mean that
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production goes down, right?
No productivity decreases.
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All we do is spend
extra time in the office,
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spending like we're working
when, really, we're just
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googling "how long
until Friday gets here,"
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so we don't actually need
more days in the office.
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Think about it. Three days
of work. That's what I propose.
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We do three days of work,
two days of weekend.
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-(cheering, applause)
-Yeah, yeah.
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Three days of work.
Two days of weekend.
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Sounds like a perfect week,
yeah? Less traffic.
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You're just like,
"Aw, it's Monday.
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"Oh, it's Wednesday already!
Friday, what a week!
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By the way, I'm gonna need
Monday off, I've got a thing."
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It's the perfect week.
All right, that's it
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for today's headlines.
Let's move on to something
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that everyone loves now. It
is time to check in on today's
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lotto numbers with our very own
Dulcé Sloan, everybody.
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(cheering, applause)
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Hello. Hello.
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So nice to see you again, Dulcé.
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How, uh, how are you
doing today?
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Well, you know, I woke up
on the right side of the dirt,
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-so it is what it is, baby.
-All right. Well, Dulcé,
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hit with us the numbers.
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You know, I heard Trump's
back on the Forbes 400 list.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, he is, he is.
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Like I give a damn.
Listen...
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they just keep
putting out this list.
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Like, why are we
supposed to care?
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It's just a bunch of Trump--
it's, like,
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a bunch of rich (bleep)
we don't know.
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Like, why am I
supposed to care
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that you rich?
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I still eat at Checkers.
Like, what are we talking about?
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Right? Like, why do we
need to know this information?
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Like, they're basically
giving us a list
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of 400 people we should rob.
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It's like
a crime starter pack.
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Like, don't rob your neighbor,
rob number 26.
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Like, it makes sense.
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Okay, well,
speaking of cash.
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Thank you for sharing
all of that, Dulcé.
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Can-can we get
the lotto numbers, please?
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-Listen, I'm trying to tell you
something. -Okay. Okay.
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-You saw the asteroid story?
-I-I did, yeah.
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Ooh, I (bleep) with NASA, okay?
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Oh, man, I (bleep) with NASA.
I love the space museum.
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I mean, I wouldn't go to space.
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'Cause I don't believe
in going anywhere
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where you have to bring
your own air.
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It's a fact.
I'll never scuba dive.
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Like, if I was supposed
to be down there,
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I'd have gills. This is dumb.
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Like, I'm not
that little Halle girl.
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I ain't fit to be down there.
What I'm saying is,
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did you see the live stream?
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Yeah. The video
that they had, yeah?
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They put the camera
on the front of the thing.
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If you put it on the fr--
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Like, it was running into
the asteroid,
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so I didn't, like--
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It was like watching a video
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of someone falling down
wearing a GoPro.
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Like, are you okay?
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Am I okay? Are we dead?
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Like, I don't know
what's happening here.
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It was science.
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Listen, we ganged up
on a innocent asteroid.
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Just minding his business,
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being in space,
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believing what he believes,
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being a horoscope. You know.
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-What?
-I mean, that's space.
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That's where the horoscopes
come from, right?
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It was bullying!
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-Bullying? What are you
talking about? -Yeah!
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We done thrown a little machine
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into that little asteroid
living his life.
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It's bullying.
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We were messing
with that little asteroid.
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What if we pissed off his mama?
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You seen the cartoons.
You know when you mess
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with the little baby,
something--
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the mama always show up pissed.
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Little asteroid's mama
just gonna be floating out there
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like, "Mm,
who crashed into you?"
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"Don't tell me it was NASA.
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Every damn time
it's that NASA boy!"
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Okay.
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Dulcé, I don't think
the asteroid has a mom.
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And I feel like we've run out
of time completely.
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Can you, uh... can you
just give us the lotto numbers
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right now, please, Dulcé?
We need the numbers.
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(clicks tongue) Ugh, fine.
1, 13, 21, 8, 34. Bye!
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No, Dulcé, no!
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-What?
-No, no, no! No, no, no!
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-No, no, no, you-- N-No!
-I gave you the num-- What?!
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You used all of my time
for your stories
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-and none of them for the lot...
-I was talking about the news.
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Yeah. Wh-What I'm saying,
you-you can't do them
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all at once, right?
You got to-- you got to, like--
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you got to take your time.
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Build the suspense.
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-Oh. Suspense.
-Yeah.
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I got your suspense.
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(laughter)
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00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:05,045
(cheering and applause)
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Bye!
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Dulcé Sloan, everybody.
All right, when we come back,
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Ronny Chieng's gonna teach you
about K-cop-- K-pop,
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so don't go away. No, you
can't-- you can't just disappear
348
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in the middle of the middle--
Dulcé Sloan, everybody!
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-I gave him the numbers!
-(cheering and applause)
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Four, three, two...
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one.
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Oh, my gosh.
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-(gasps)
-(whooping)
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Oh, wow.
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We have impact!
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-And we have impact.
-And we have it!
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-(laughs)
-A giant leap for humanity.
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00:14:44,051 --> 00:14:46,086
(cheering, applause)
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Welcome back
to The Daily Show.
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One of the biggest trends
in music
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over the last few years
has been K-pop.
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But while it might be new
to you,
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K-Pop has a long
and fascinating history.
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So let's find out
about it in another edition
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of Ronny Chieng Teaches You
About Asians.
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♪ ♪
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(school bell ringing)
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All right, all right,
settle down, everyone
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because today
we're learning about something
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that's blowing up
all over the world.
371
00:15:19,553 --> 00:15:21,121
No, not climate change.
372
00:15:21,221 --> 00:15:23,257
Okay, I don't teach boring stuff
in this classroom.
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I'm talking about K-Pop.
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It is why your cousin
suddenly speaks Korean
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more fluently than English.
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00:15:28,962 --> 00:15:31,164
And believe it or not,
K-pop used to be something
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00:15:31,265 --> 00:15:33,300
that only Koreans knew about.
378
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The rest of the world
wasn't always into it.
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00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:37,137
Like how there was a time
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when white people didn't know
about yoga.
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The first group to really
break through internationally
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was The Kim Sisters.
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00:15:43,210 --> 00:15:46,146
Sook-ja, Ai-ja and Min-ja
started singing as children
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00:15:46,179 --> 00:15:48,682
during the Korean War
for American GIs.
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They sang, they danced,
and they played 20 instruments.
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00:15:52,052 --> 00:15:55,422
I can't even name
20 instruments.
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00:15:55,522 --> 00:15:59,159
Saxophone, uh...
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00:15:59,259 --> 00:16:02,329
In 1959, they got a contract
to perform in Vegas.
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00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:04,398
Ed Sullivan was taping
a show there,
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00:16:04,498 --> 00:16:06,600
and they managed to book
a performance on the show.
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00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:10,003
They were such a hit, they got
asked back 20 more times.
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00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:11,905
Do you know
how great you have to be
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00:16:12,005 --> 00:16:14,708
to get asked back
to anything 20 times?
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00:16:14,808 --> 00:16:17,744
I don't even get invited
to join LinkedIn that much.
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00:16:17,844 --> 00:16:20,213
Unfortunately,
the growth of K-pop hit a bump
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00:16:20,314 --> 00:16:22,950
in the road soon after
when South Korea fell under
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the dictatorship
of President Park Chung Hee,
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00:16:24,985 --> 00:16:26,920
who started banning music.
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00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:28,722
They even created
a black list of songs
400
00:16:28,822 --> 00:16:31,058
that radio stations
couldn't play.
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00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:33,894
Everyone's end-of-year
Spotify summary just said,
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00:16:33,994 --> 00:16:36,730
"Your most played song was
'The National anthem.'"
403
00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:38,832
But Korean artists
kept making music
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00:16:38,932 --> 00:16:42,636
that challenged the status quo,
like folk singer Hahn Dae-soo,
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00:16:42,736 --> 00:16:45,339
whose albums were banned
for anti-government messaging,
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00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:47,641
or rock guitarist
Shin Jung-hyeon, who,
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00:16:47,741 --> 00:16:49,476
the story goes,
defied the dictator's request
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to write a song
in his honor.
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00:16:51,345 --> 00:16:53,347
And let's face it: wanting
a song to be written about you
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00:16:53,447 --> 00:16:55,482
is classic dictator behavior,
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00:16:55,582 --> 00:16:57,451
right after military parades
and having
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00:16:57,551 --> 00:17:00,153
a weird haircut
everyone tells you looks great.
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00:17:01,221 --> 00:17:03,924
By the '80s the dictatorship
had loosened.
414
00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:06,793
And by "loosened," I mean
the dictator was assassinated.
415
00:17:06,893 --> 00:17:10,163
But whatever. It made
listening to radio fun again.
416
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,566
Outside music was allowed
back in the country.
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00:17:12,666 --> 00:17:16,370
And two of the most influential
genres became hip-hop and R & B.
418
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:18,839
Black artists from
Michael Jackson to Run-DMC
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00:17:18,939 --> 00:17:21,541
reshaped the musical landscape
of South Korea.
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00:17:21,642 --> 00:17:24,678
It inspired performers
like Deux, DJ DOC
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and Seo Taiji and Boys,
422
00:17:26,580 --> 00:17:29,549
who were the earliest examples
of K-pop as we know it today.
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00:17:29,650 --> 00:17:31,451
They even made it into
the movie soundtrack
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00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:33,353
for 3 Ninjas Kick Back.
425
00:17:33,453 --> 00:17:35,188
You didn't think
we'd be watching a movie
426
00:17:35,255 --> 00:17:36,590
in class today, did you?
427
00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:38,558
Yeah, well, I didn't think
I'd still have a hangover,
428
00:17:38,659 --> 00:17:40,627
but sometimes
life surprises you.
429
00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:43,363
-♪ ♪
-(clears throat)
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00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:45,532
This was a big moment
for Korean pop music,
431
00:17:45,632 --> 00:17:46,767
even if the song
was being played
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00:17:46,867 --> 00:17:49,770
over a scene set in Japan.
433
00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:52,039
But give them a break, okay?
They're the 3 Ninjas,
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00:17:52,139 --> 00:17:54,875
not the
3 Cultural Sensitivity Experts.
435
00:17:54,975 --> 00:17:58,045
The next big step towards
today's K-pop was in the 1990s,
436
00:17:58,145 --> 00:18:00,614
when major music studios started
putting performers together
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00:18:00,714 --> 00:18:02,683
in boy and girl bands.
438
00:18:02,783 --> 00:18:04,751
That's right,
Korea was doing that long before
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00:18:04,851 --> 00:18:07,955
Simon Cowell's nips ever started
poking through his T-shirts.
440
00:18:08,055 --> 00:18:09,923
That's a no from me, dawg.
441
00:18:10,023 --> 00:18:12,025
It's no surprise
this new wave of K-pop
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00:18:12,159 --> 00:18:14,995
blew up around the world.
It featured complex melodies
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00:18:15,162 --> 00:18:16,663
unlike any other pop music
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00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,666
and always had next-level
dance choreography.
445
00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:23,170
To this day, those remain
the signature elements of K-pop.
446
00:18:23,236 --> 00:18:27,040
That, and being Asian.
Very important requirement.
447
00:18:27,174 --> 00:18:29,910
Tt this new generation of
K-pop stars became so successful
448
00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:32,613
the government started
to take notice and soon
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00:18:32,713 --> 00:18:35,349
launched a program to promote
Korean music around the globe.
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00:18:35,449 --> 00:18:38,185
They saw K-pop as a way to
boost Korea's cultural strength
451
00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:41,288
and economy without
having to do a Squid Game.
452
00:18:41,388 --> 00:18:43,523
But one of the biggest
K-pop sensations
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00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:46,727
was a surprise
no government could predict.
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00:18:48,195 --> 00:18:49,896
I'm sorry.
I know it took you ten years
455
00:18:49,997 --> 00:18:52,799
to get this out of your head,
but we got to talk about it.
456
00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,501
"Gangnam Style"
was the first video
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00:18:54,601 --> 00:18:56,837
to break a billion views
on YouTube.
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00:18:56,937 --> 00:19:00,040
It was so popular, U.N.
Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon
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00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:02,142
praised the song,
saying the arts was the path
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00:19:02,209 --> 00:19:03,644
to cultural understanding.
461
00:19:03,744 --> 00:19:05,912
He said that
about "Gangnam Style."
462
00:19:06,013 --> 00:19:07,881
That's like if they played
"Baby Shark" during a war
463
00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:09,750
and all the soldiers started
laying down their weapons
464
00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:12,019
and hugging each other.
465
00:19:12,152 --> 00:19:13,520
Since then,
the rest of the world
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00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:15,455
is more into K-pop
than ever before,
467
00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:18,558
from girl groups like
Girls' Generation and Blackpink
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00:19:18,659 --> 00:19:20,394
to artists like CL.
469
00:19:20,494 --> 00:19:22,729
But let's get to the group
you've been waiting for,
470
00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:25,499
the reason you all enrolled in
this class in the first place,
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00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:27,768
BT-mother(bleep)ing-S.
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00:19:27,868 --> 00:19:29,202
Three letters so important
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00:19:29,303 --> 00:19:32,205
the rest of the alphabet
doesn't even exist anymore.
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00:19:32,306 --> 00:19:33,941
They've dominated the charts.
475
00:19:34,041 --> 00:19:36,209
They've generated
billions in revenue.
476
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:38,011
They made it okay
to eat butter again.
477
00:19:38,178 --> 00:19:40,681
They even increased tourism
to South Korea.
478
00:19:40,781 --> 00:19:42,749
I mean, I'm glad
my fans aren't that devoted,
479
00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:44,818
because then they'd have
to travel to Australia,
480
00:19:44,918 --> 00:19:46,820
which, trust me,
you don't want to do that.
481
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,890
BTS is without a doubt
the biggest group in the world.
482
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:51,358
You can tell by their fans.
483
00:19:51,458 --> 00:19:54,895
The BTS Army is the second
largest military after the U.S.
484
00:19:54,995 --> 00:19:58,131
And they've droned
zero weddings.
485
00:19:58,198 --> 00:19:59,633
BTS might be on hiatus,
486
00:19:59,733 --> 00:20:02,769
but there's so much new K-pop
we can enjoy while they're gone.
487
00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:05,439
And now you know
how it got to where it is today.
488
00:20:05,539 --> 00:20:07,207
Oppa, Gangnam style!
489
00:20:07,307 --> 00:20:08,976
-("Gangnam Style" playing)
-(clicks tongue) Aw, (bleep).
490
00:20:09,142 --> 00:20:10,344
Now it's in my head again.
491
00:20:10,444 --> 00:20:12,245
Get it out.
492
00:20:12,346 --> 00:20:14,581
Get it... out.
493
00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:16,249
♪ ♪
494
00:20:16,350 --> 00:20:17,718
Thank you so much for that,
Ronnie.
495
00:20:17,818 --> 00:20:19,486
All right, stay tuned,
because when we come back,
496
00:20:19,586 --> 00:20:22,589
we're gonna be chatting with one
of the most popular philosophers
497
00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:24,691
of our time, William MacAskill,
498
00:20:24,791 --> 00:20:26,360
so don't go away.
499
00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:28,495
(cheering and applause)
500
00:20:36,103 --> 00:20:38,138
(cheering)
501
00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:42,643
Welcome back to The Daily Show.
502
00:20:42,743 --> 00:20:46,113
My guest tonight is
a philosophy professor at Oxford
503
00:20:46,213 --> 00:20:49,216
and he's an entrepreneur
who helped start
504
00:20:49,316 --> 00:20:50,717
the Effective Altruism Movement.
505
00:20:50,817 --> 00:20:53,120
He's here to talk about that
and his new book
506
00:20:53,220 --> 00:20:55,589
about improving the future
of humanity called
507
00:20:55,689 --> 00:20:57,991
What We owe The Future.
508
00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:00,460
Please welcome
William MacAskill.
509
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,630
-♪ ♪
-(applause and cheering)
510
00:21:12,072 --> 00:21:13,974
William MacAskill,
welcome to The Daily Show.
511
00:21:14,074 --> 00:21:16,209
Thanks so much for having me.
I'm a huge fan.
512
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:19,279
It's interesting speaking
to a philosopher,
513
00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:20,714
because when they say
"philosopher,"
514
00:21:20,814 --> 00:21:22,316
I remember thinking, "Oh,
it's probably gonna be, like,
515
00:21:22,416 --> 00:21:25,719
"a 90-year-old man
with, like, a stick, and he's,
516
00:21:25,819 --> 00:21:28,555
What is the meaning of life,
and...?'"
517
00:21:28,655 --> 00:21:30,290
I can't even grow a beard.
518
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:32,192
I'm, like...
I suck as a philosopher.
519
00:21:32,292 --> 00:21:34,895
Um, you-- you're not just young.
520
00:21:34,995 --> 00:21:36,496
You're very successful.
521
00:21:36,596 --> 00:21:38,999
You know, you're a professor
who deals with, I guess...
522
00:21:39,099 --> 00:21:40,934
Is... Are you dealing with some
523
00:21:41,034 --> 00:21:42,602
of the biggest moral issues
in society?
524
00:21:42,703 --> 00:21:46,206
Help me understand what your
field of expertise actually is.
525
00:21:46,273 --> 00:21:49,209
So I'm a little different
from a normal moral philosopher
526
00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,878
'cause I'm a little less
head-in-the-sky, clouds.
527
00:21:51,979 --> 00:21:53,547
I want to... Fundamentally,
528
00:21:53,647 --> 00:21:55,115
-I want to make the world
a better place. -Okay.
529
00:21:55,215 --> 00:21:57,384
And so,
I'm asking the question,
530
00:21:57,484 --> 00:21:59,286
"How can we do
as much as possible
531
00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:00,654
to the make the world better?"
532
00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:02,456
That's what
Effective Altruism is about.
533
00:22:02,556 --> 00:22:05,092
And so, the moral questions
that I'm addressing are those
534
00:22:05,225 --> 00:22:06,626
that we need to figure out
535
00:22:06,727 --> 00:22:08,829
if we want
to answer that question, where.
536
00:22:08,929 --> 00:22:10,731
There are just
so many problems in the world.
537
00:22:10,831 --> 00:22:12,432
-Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm. -Extreme
poverty, factory farming,
538
00:22:12,532 --> 00:22:14,001
chance of the next pandemic.
539
00:22:14,101 --> 00:22:15,836
How do we prioritize among them
540
00:22:15,936 --> 00:22:18,305
if we want to do
as much good as we can?
541
00:22:18,405 --> 00:22:20,073
Is it even possible to do that?
542
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,541
You know,
one of the first questions
543
00:22:21,642 --> 00:22:23,477
somebody may ask
in response to you is,
544
00:22:23,577 --> 00:22:25,245
-"Are humans inherently good?"
-Mm-hmm.
545
00:22:25,278 --> 00:22:27,581
What would you say to them
if they asked that question?
546
00:22:27,681 --> 00:22:31,151
I think in response to that,
just, humans are very malleable.
547
00:22:31,251 --> 00:22:34,688
So people can be inspired
to do amazing things,
548
00:22:34,788 --> 00:22:36,223
-terrific things.
-Mm-hmm.
549
00:22:36,323 --> 00:22:37,624
Again, I have seen this.
550
00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:39,559
Now thousands
of people committing
551
00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:41,862
to give at least ten percent
of their income,
552
00:22:41,962 --> 00:22:45,065
often much more, to those causes
that will do the most good.
553
00:22:45,198 --> 00:22:48,035
So, by promoting the idea
of Effective Altruism,
554
00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:50,537
I've seen many people
get inspired to do good.
555
00:22:50,637 --> 00:22:52,706
But you can also inspire people
to do bad.
556
00:22:52,806 --> 00:22:54,808
-The history of the 20th
century showed. -Right, right.
557
00:22:54,908 --> 00:22:57,644
The banality of evil,
just how people could--
558
00:22:57,744 --> 00:23:00,514
even good people--
could get swayed
559
00:23:00,614 --> 00:23:03,417
-by bad ideologies and produce
horrific outcomes. -Right.
560
00:23:03,517 --> 00:23:05,719
So, let's talk a little bit
about convincing people
561
00:23:05,819 --> 00:23:08,121
to give money to causes
562
00:23:08,221 --> 00:23:11,558
that will benefit the planet
or humans around them.
563
00:23:11,658 --> 00:23:14,227
In this book,
you talk about the future
564
00:23:14,261 --> 00:23:16,997
in a really interesting way--
what we owe the future.
565
00:23:17,097 --> 00:23:18,765
Your argument--
and correct me if I'm wrong--
566
00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:22,302
is basically
that we have a moral obligation
567
00:23:22,402 --> 00:23:24,271
to sort of "our future self."
568
00:23:24,371 --> 00:23:25,672
-Like, the future humans...
-Right.
569
00:23:25,772 --> 00:23:27,641
the humans that will inhabit
the planet because
570
00:23:27,741 --> 00:23:30,844
what we come into was created
or shaped by someone,
571
00:23:30,944 --> 00:23:32,045
and somebody's going
to come into that.
572
00:23:32,145 --> 00:23:33,714
And so, we have
a moral obligation.
573
00:23:33,814 --> 00:23:36,316
Some people might say to you,
"Oh, yeah, well, I'm here now,
574
00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:38,685
"and, you know,
nobody did anything for me,
575
00:23:38,785 --> 00:23:40,921
"so why should I care about
what happens to somebody
576
00:23:41,021 --> 00:23:42,589
who's around when I'm not?"
577
00:23:42,689 --> 00:23:45,359
Yeah. Or you might ask, "What
should we do for future people?
578
00:23:45,459 --> 00:23:47,194
What have they ever done
for us?" -Right. Right.
579
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,029
And they haven't ever
'cause they're going to.
580
00:23:49,196 --> 00:23:50,864
"What are they going to ever
have done for us?"
581
00:23:50,964 --> 00:23:53,000
Exactly, for sure.
582
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,267
Um, but I think the idea
583
00:23:54,368 --> 00:23:55,502
that we should care
about future people
584
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:57,304
is just utterly common sense.
585
00:23:57,404 --> 00:24:00,474
So, imagine you're walking, um,
you're hiking on a trial
586
00:24:00,574 --> 00:24:02,943
and you drop some glass
and it shatters,
587
00:24:03,043 --> 00:24:04,578
and you wonder,
"Should I pick up the glass?
588
00:24:04,678 --> 00:24:06,079
-Should I clean up
after myself?" -Mm-hmm.
589
00:24:06,213 --> 00:24:08,715
Maybe someone will walk along
the trail and cut themselves,
590
00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,817
and you think, "Well, you know,
obviously I should
591
00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:12,653
-because I don't want
to harm someone." -Right.
592
00:24:12,753 --> 00:24:15,389
But now just imagine,
do they cut themselves tomorrow
593
00:24:15,489 --> 00:24:18,625
or in a year's time
or in a hundred years' time?
594
00:24:18,725 --> 00:24:21,128
Would that change the morality
of the situation?
595
00:24:21,228 --> 00:24:22,596
I don't think so.
596
00:24:22,696 --> 00:24:25,032
Harm is harm,
no matter when it occurs.
597
00:24:25,132 --> 00:24:28,101
And just as we should care
about people
598
00:24:28,235 --> 00:24:29,469
whether they're in this country
599
00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:31,138
or on the other side
of the planet,
600
00:24:31,238 --> 00:24:33,507
no matter where they are
in space,
601
00:24:33,607 --> 00:24:34,775
we should care about people
602
00:24:34,875 --> 00:24:36,843
no matter where they are
in time as well.
603
00:24:36,943 --> 00:24:40,914
So how do-how do we begin to
get people to agree with that?
604
00:24:41,014 --> 00:24:44,184
-Because, um, you're based
in the U.K., right? -Yeah.
605
00:24:44,284 --> 00:24:47,254
And-and so if I-if I've read,
you know, my research correctly,
606
00:24:47,354 --> 00:24:52,225
you donate, is it-is it...
how many, 50% of your income?
607
00:24:52,326 --> 00:24:54,828
Uh, yes, um, a little more
than that actually now, so yeah.
608
00:24:54,928 --> 00:24:58,265
So you-you donate
more than 50% of your income
609
00:24:58,365 --> 00:24:59,566
to causes that you believe in.
610
00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:01,201
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
611
00:25:01,301 --> 00:25:02,502
-Right. That's...
-(cheering)
612
00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:04,104
That's amazing.
613
00:25:05,973 --> 00:25:07,908
And...
614
00:25:08,008 --> 00:25:11,778
And some people would say
insane, right?
615
00:25:11,878 --> 00:25:13,981
And when I-when I heard
that you did this,
616
00:25:14,081 --> 00:25:16,883
I remember thinking,
oh, but is it easier to do it
617
00:25:16,984 --> 00:25:19,686
because you come from a place
where your health care
618
00:25:19,786 --> 00:25:20,954
will be taken care of?
619
00:25:21,054 --> 00:25:22,289
Is it easier to do this
because you feel like
620
00:25:22,389 --> 00:25:24,992
there's a social net
or is it hard
621
00:25:25,092 --> 00:25:26,259
no matter where you're from?
622
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:27,461
Like, many Americans would say,
623
00:25:27,561 --> 00:25:28,795
"Well, I can't give away
my money
624
00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:30,330
"because I don't know how much
a hospital bill will be.
625
00:25:30,430 --> 00:25:31,999
"I can't give away my money
because I don't know
626
00:25:32,099 --> 00:25:33,834
what I'm going to need
to pay for or not."
627
00:25:33,934 --> 00:25:36,403
How do you convince people
that giving away
628
00:25:36,503 --> 00:25:38,872
what they would say
is "hard-earned"
629
00:25:38,972 --> 00:25:41,541
is actually better for them
when it's for others?
630
00:25:41,642 --> 00:25:43,777
Yeah, I think there's
a couple of things here.
631
00:25:43,877 --> 00:25:45,979
So, one is just, I acknowledge
632
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,315
I'm in this position
of unbelievable privilege.
633
00:25:48,415 --> 00:25:51,618
-Mm-hmm. -I'm born into a rich
country, I was well-educated,
634
00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:55,522
um, and that means, you know,
635
00:25:55,622 --> 00:25:57,891
I think I have, like,
a responsibility to use,
636
00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,727
-you know, that privilege to do
good in the world. -Okay.
637
00:26:00,827 --> 00:26:03,630
But the striking thing is that,
even after my giving--
638
00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:05,866
so I try and give, you know,
everything above,
639
00:26:05,966 --> 00:26:07,300
about $35,000...
640
00:26:07,401 --> 00:26:08,802
-Uh-huh.
-...that still puts me
641
00:26:08,902 --> 00:26:11,772
in the richest three percent
of the world's population.
642
00:26:11,872 --> 00:26:14,474
If you're earning
$60,000 per year,
643
00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:15,809
you're in the richest
one percent.
644
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:18,545
You are the one percent,
globally speaking.
645
00:26:18,645 --> 00:26:22,616
And so, okay, I'm giving 50%,
but I can hardly complain.
646
00:26:22,716 --> 00:26:24,951
-I'm still in the richest
three percent. -Hmm.
647
00:26:25,052 --> 00:26:27,287
But the crucial thing,
really, is, I thought
648
00:26:27,387 --> 00:26:28,455
this was gonna be a sacrifice,
649
00:26:28,555 --> 00:26:30,324
I thought it was gonna be
hard but worth it
650
00:26:30,424 --> 00:26:33,026
because it was gonna benefit
so many people,
651
00:26:33,126 --> 00:26:34,795
but it's actually not.
652
00:26:34,895 --> 00:26:38,732
I've actually found it an
incredibly rewarding thing to do
653
00:26:38,832 --> 00:26:41,201
and I think my life is
actually happier as a result,
654
00:26:41,301 --> 00:26:44,204
so it means, you know,
I don't have a big house,
655
00:26:44,304 --> 00:26:45,639
-I don't have a fancy car.
-Right.
656
00:26:45,739 --> 00:26:47,174
But I do have
wonderful relationships,
657
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,675
I've got wonderful friends.
658
00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:50,577
I'm also part of
this broader community,
659
00:26:50,677 --> 00:26:52,346
effective altruism community,
660
00:26:52,446 --> 00:26:56,416
that is inspiring, hardworking
people who are really focused
661
00:26:56,516 --> 00:26:57,851
on trying
to make the world better,
662
00:26:57,951 --> 00:26:59,519
and-- I hope at least--
663
00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:01,188
we're really making
a positive difference,
664
00:27:01,288 --> 00:27:04,191
and that's just-- that's worth
more than all the luxury goods
665
00:27:04,257 --> 00:27:06,293
-that money could buy.
-Wow.
666
00:27:06,393 --> 00:27:08,428
-(applause)
-It's a...
667
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:13,667
It's-it's-it's a,
it's a mind-shift.
668
00:27:13,767 --> 00:27:15,869
I think it's a mind-shift that's
extremely difficult to achieve,
669
00:27:15,969 --> 00:27:18,972
which is, you know, I guess
why you do the work that you do.
670
00:27:19,072 --> 00:27:22,542
It's also interesting to see how
many billionaires have signed on
671
00:27:22,643 --> 00:27:25,545
to your ideas, you know,
everybody from, you know,
672
00:27:25,646 --> 00:27:27,447
Bill Gates to Elon Musk,
673
00:27:27,547 --> 00:27:29,616
who don't even agree
with each other, by the way,
674
00:27:29,716 --> 00:27:30,851
and have both said, "Oh, yeah,
675
00:27:30,951 --> 00:27:32,819
"I-I really like
what William is saying,
676
00:27:32,919 --> 00:27:35,756
"I really agree with this,
I think we should be giving away
677
00:27:35,856 --> 00:27:38,058
vast amounts of our wealth,"
et cetera.
678
00:27:38,158 --> 00:27:40,861
But-but when I see this,
I-I often think to myself,
679
00:27:40,961 --> 00:27:42,896
it's easy for us
to say people should
680
00:27:42,996 --> 00:27:45,632
give away ten percent, 20%
or whatever of their wealth.
681
00:27:45,732 --> 00:27:47,501
Say everyone should do this
of their income.
682
00:27:47,601 --> 00:27:49,503
But when you
get to a certain point,
683
00:27:49,603 --> 00:27:51,171
ten percent or 20%
of your income
684
00:27:51,204 --> 00:27:52,906
doesn't affect your life,
and if you're a billionaire
685
00:27:53,006 --> 00:27:55,509
and you give away ten percent,
20%, yes, it's a huge number,
686
00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:57,377
but it doesn't
change this person's life.
687
00:27:57,477 --> 00:28:00,180
Whereas somebody who's working
paycheck-to-paycheck
688
00:28:00,247 --> 00:28:02,716
notices when ten percent or 20%
of their money is gone.
689
00:28:02,816 --> 00:28:04,651
So, shouldn't this be
an obligation that is placed
690
00:28:04,751 --> 00:28:06,320
predominantly at the feet
691
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:08,322
of those who are
the most privileged?
692
00:28:08,422 --> 00:28:09,990
So, I think it's absolutely
an obligation
693
00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:13,293
on the most privileged. So,
yeah, if you're a billionaire--
694
00:28:13,393 --> 00:28:15,629
So, Bill Gates, you know,
ushered in a new era
695
00:28:15,729 --> 00:28:18,031
-of billionaire philanthropy,
saying 50%. -Right.
696
00:28:18,198 --> 00:28:20,701
Think the standard should
be higher-- 99% or more.
697
00:28:20,801 --> 00:28:23,503
-And...
-(laughing)
698
00:28:23,603 --> 00:28:25,639
(cheering, applause)
699
00:28:27,741 --> 00:28:29,776
And...
700
00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:31,878
Uh, so, yeah, I mean, people
are laughing,
701
00:28:31,979 --> 00:28:34,681
but a-a decent chunk of my life
is talking to billionaires
702
00:28:34,781 --> 00:28:36,383
and trying to get them--
convince them to
703
00:28:36,483 --> 00:28:37,551
-give almost all their money
away. -What do you say?
704
00:28:37,651 --> 00:28:38,552
I want to know
what you say, William.
705
00:28:38,652 --> 00:28:40,354
Help me understand this.
706
00:28:40,454 --> 00:28:43,156
-Help me understand.
-So, I mean, uh, so, yeah.
707
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:44,524
'Cause billionaires
are notorious for not
708
00:28:44,624 --> 00:28:47,060
-giving their money away.
-I think that's gonna change.
709
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,628
-Um, at least--
-So what do you say?
710
00:28:48,729 --> 00:28:50,263
-What do you say to them?
-Well, at least for some--
711
00:28:50,364 --> 00:28:51,932
So, say two things.
One,
712
00:28:52,032 --> 00:28:54,801
like you say, just, money just,
above a certain threshold,
713
00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:57,404
-money just doesn't affect your
well-being, come on. -Right.
714
00:28:57,504 --> 00:28:59,973
And then, secondly,
money can be used
715
00:29:00,073 --> 00:29:01,408
to make
a transformative difference.
716
00:29:01,508 --> 00:29:04,578
It costs $3,000
to save a life
717
00:29:04,678 --> 00:29:07,914
by protecting children
in sub-Saharan Africa, uh,
718
00:29:08,015 --> 00:29:11,852
from malaria by distributing
insecticides and bed nets.
719
00:29:11,952 --> 00:29:14,187
This is a very reliable,
well-evidenced fact.
720
00:29:14,254 --> 00:29:15,622
-So, say that again. Three--
-$3,000--
721
00:29:15,722 --> 00:29:17,824
-$3,000. And that's
with insecticides, -Yeah.
722
00:29:17,924 --> 00:29:19,660
-the-the bed nettings.
-Bed nets.
723
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,927
-To protect them from malaria.
-To protect-- Exactly.
724
00:29:21,028 --> 00:29:22,396
Which is still
one of the biggest, if not
725
00:29:22,496 --> 00:29:24,331
-the biggest killer-- Right.
-So, thousands of children
726
00:29:24,431 --> 00:29:27,200
every day die,
um, unnecessarily.
727
00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:28,502
-There are other risks, too.
-Right.
728
00:29:28,602 --> 00:29:30,037
You know, pandemics
are something we worry about,
729
00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:31,438
-nuclear war.
-Mm-hmm.
730
00:29:31,538 --> 00:29:34,541
And, so, uh, yeah,
the case is just like,
731
00:29:34,641 --> 00:29:36,677
"Look, it's gonna make almost
no difference in your life.
732
00:29:36,777 --> 00:29:40,414
"It's gonna be enormously
impactful for the world.
733
00:29:40,514 --> 00:29:42,549
-Right. -And, actually,
we've seen success."
734
00:29:42,649 --> 00:29:44,418
So, there are a number
of people, um,
735
00:29:44,518 --> 00:29:46,486
in the kind of broader
effective altruism movement--
736
00:29:46,586 --> 00:29:48,655
Dustin Moskovitz,
now San Bankman-Fried,
737
00:29:48,755 --> 00:29:51,058
who are planning
to give 99% or more.
738
00:29:51,158 --> 00:29:53,360
And I think that
can be the new standard.
739
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:56,063
Wow. When you-when you
talk in the book, you know,
740
00:29:56,163 --> 00:29:57,864
there-there are parts
that I-that I read
741
00:29:57,964 --> 00:30:01,335
where you interrogate the reader
to ask questions about
742
00:30:01,435 --> 00:30:03,070
how they view the world and...
743
00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:05,539
and, I think, most importantly,
744
00:30:05,639 --> 00:30:07,074
how much they want
to make a difference.
745
00:30:07,174 --> 00:30:08,675
So, for instance,
you'll argue here, you say,
746
00:30:08,775 --> 00:30:10,677
"If you want to make an impact
on climate change, you know,
747
00:30:10,777 --> 00:30:12,179
"there are things you can do.
For instance,
748
00:30:12,212 --> 00:30:14,047
"you can become a vegetarian.
You can say,
749
00:30:14,181 --> 00:30:16,416
"'Okay, I'm going to try
and limit my carbon output,'
750
00:30:16,516 --> 00:30:18,652
"if you really care, you can
say, 'I'm going to travel less,
751
00:30:18,752 --> 00:30:20,887
"'I'm gonna fly less or
I'm gonna ride a bicycle more'
752
00:30:20,988 --> 00:30:23,457
or-or whatever-whatever
it may be."
753
00:30:23,557 --> 00:30:25,826
You're talking to people and
you're talking to individuals.
754
00:30:25,926 --> 00:30:28,495
Do you feel that the message
is as well-received
755
00:30:28,595 --> 00:30:32,032
by corporations that have,
like, an outsized output?
756
00:30:32,199 --> 00:30:35,669
Because every one person
can try to do one thing,
757
00:30:35,769 --> 00:30:37,904
but, like, most of the smoke
that's coming out
758
00:30:38,005 --> 00:30:40,507
and, you know, most of the out--
you know, the carbon output is--
759
00:30:40,607 --> 00:30:42,175
it's coming
from concentrated places.
760
00:30:42,275 --> 00:30:45,045
Yes, I'm not saying individuals
don't make a big contribution,
761
00:30:45,145 --> 00:30:48,215
-but do you find any
of those big sources... -Yeah.
762
00:30:48,315 --> 00:30:49,750
...are-are receptive to this?
763
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:52,853
Or is-- or is the money too big
and the-the face too obscure?
764
00:30:52,953 --> 00:30:55,589
Yeah, I mean, honestly,
I've been kind of disappointed
765
00:30:55,689 --> 00:30:57,624
at attempts to move companies
766
00:30:57,724 --> 00:30:59,660
-in a more philanthropic
direction. -Mm-hmm.
767
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,429
Because
cor-corporate philanthropy
768
00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:05,932
99% of the time
is a PR mechanism.
769
00:31:06,033 --> 00:31:08,468
-Okay.
-And so some of the,
770
00:31:08,568 --> 00:31:10,904
um, misconceptions
that people have
771
00:31:11,004 --> 00:31:13,006
about how best
to fight climate change
772
00:31:13,106 --> 00:31:14,908
you can actually see
being promoted
773
00:31:15,008 --> 00:31:16,777
by fossil fuel companies.
774
00:31:16,877 --> 00:31:20,213
So Shell is very keen
on the idea that, um,
775
00:31:20,314 --> 00:31:21,882
what we should be doing
776
00:31:21,982 --> 00:31:25,419
-is reducing our carbon
footprint personally. -Yes.
777
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,187
Whereas what we should be
trying to do is
778
00:31:27,287 --> 00:31:29,756
put the fossil fuel companies
out of business.
779
00:31:29,856 --> 00:31:31,358
-(cheering and applause)
-(chuckles)
780
00:31:31,458 --> 00:31:34,461
-Well, I see why you haven't
broken through. -(laughing)
781
00:31:38,999 --> 00:31:41,702
And we as individuals
can help do that.
782
00:31:41,802 --> 00:31:43,236
-Mm-hmm.
-So, look,
783
00:31:43,337 --> 00:31:45,772
-if you try and reduce your own
carbon footprint... -Okay.
784
00:31:45,872 --> 00:31:48,308
In the U.S., uh, American, um,
785
00:31:48,408 --> 00:31:51,244
will emit about 15 tons
of carbon dioxide.
786
00:31:51,345 --> 00:31:53,480
Um, go be a hero,
787
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:56,550
do everything you can,
maybe you can get that to zero.
788
00:31:56,650 --> 00:31:59,019
You can do as much good as if,
you know, you'd never been born.
789
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,588
-Okay.
-That's the kind of standard.
790
00:32:01,688 --> 00:32:03,790
Um...
791
00:32:03,890 --> 00:32:05,559
But we can do so much more
than that.
792
00:32:05,659 --> 00:32:06,960
Donate 10% of your income--
793
00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:08,762
-let's say that's $3,000...
-Uh-huh.
794
00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:10,964
...for the very most targeted
organizations
795
00:32:11,064 --> 00:32:12,566
funding clean technology,
796
00:32:12,666 --> 00:32:14,735
the sort of thing that means
we no longer need to rely
797
00:32:14,835 --> 00:32:16,036
-on fossil fuels.
-Okay.
798
00:32:16,136 --> 00:32:19,106
Then you would red--
then you would reduce
799
00:32:19,239 --> 00:32:21,875
the amount of carbon dioxide
going into the atmosphere
800
00:32:21,975 --> 00:32:25,612
by something that's
more like 3,000 tons per year.
801
00:32:25,712 --> 00:32:28,015
-Oh, wow. -So you'd be doing
200 times as much good
802
00:32:28,115 --> 00:32:29,616
with very targeted donations
803
00:32:29,716 --> 00:32:31,385
to the most effective
nonprofits,
804
00:32:31,485 --> 00:32:34,354
even compared to your--
this, you know, heroic effort
805
00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:35,622
-to get your carbon footprint
down to zero. -Right, right.
806
00:32:35,722 --> 00:32:37,824
So just $3,000--
It's like you have a choice--
807
00:32:37,924 --> 00:32:40,827
$3,000 or just never be born.
808
00:32:40,927 --> 00:32:42,029
-Yeah.
-(laughter)
809
00:32:42,195 --> 00:32:43,530
$3,000 sounds cheap.
810
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:44,798
I think
that sounds like a cheap plan.
811
00:32:44,898 --> 00:32:46,199
-I think it's pretty good.
-Thank you so much
812
00:32:46,299 --> 00:32:47,601
-for joining me on the show.
-Thank you so much.
813
00:32:47,701 --> 00:32:49,336
I wish I could encompass
everything in the book,
814
00:32:49,436 --> 00:32:50,704
-but that's why you wrote
the book. -Thank you.
815
00:32:50,804 --> 00:32:51,972
I hope to see you again.
816
00:32:52,072 --> 00:32:54,207
Uh, William MacAskill,
everybody.
817
00:32:54,274 --> 00:32:56,043
What We Owe the Future
is available now.
818
00:32:56,209 --> 00:32:57,711
We're gonna take a quick break,
but we'll be right back
819
00:32:57,811 --> 00:32:59,880
-after this. Thank you
very much. -Thank you so much.
820
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:02,015
-Yeah, it's really...
-(cheering and applause)
821
00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:08,421
(cheering and applause)
822
00:33:08,521 --> 00:33:09,689
Well, that's our show
for tonight.
823
00:33:09,789 --> 00:33:11,591
But before we go, before we go,
824
00:33:11,691 --> 00:33:15,461
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825
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826
00:33:18,498 --> 00:33:21,134
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827
00:33:21,234 --> 00:33:22,735
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828
00:33:22,835 --> 00:33:24,404
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829
00:33:24,504 --> 00:33:25,905
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830
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:27,941
Until next time,
stay safe out there.
831
00:33:28,041 --> 00:33:29,208
And remember--
832
00:33:29,309 --> 00:33:31,711
we've just started a war
with asteroids, so...
833
00:33:31,811 --> 00:33:33,713
live every day
like it's your last.
834
00:33:33,813 --> 00:33:35,848
Now here it is,
Your Moment of Zen.
835
00:33:35,949 --> 00:33:37,150
(cheering and applause)
836
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:39,285
♪ ♪
837
00:33:40,987 --> 00:33:44,224
Texas and New Mexico
and Arizona and California
838
00:33:44,324 --> 00:33:46,726
may be
the literal border states,
839
00:33:46,826 --> 00:33:49,729
but Joe Biden has brought
the crisis of the border
840
00:33:49,829 --> 00:33:51,197
to all 50 states.
841
00:33:51,297 --> 00:33:52,532
Virginia's a border state.
842
00:33:52,632 --> 00:33:54,467
Now D.C. is a border state.
843
00:33:54,567 --> 00:33:57,136
New York and Chicago
or-or Nebraska.
844
00:33:57,237 --> 00:33:58,938
Florida is a border state.
845
00:33:59,038 --> 00:34:02,141
Colorado is very much
a border state.
846
00:34:02,242 --> 00:34:04,410
Kansas is now a border state.
847
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:06,879
Pennsylvania has suddenly become
a border state.
848
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:08,815
The middle of the country,
it's a border state.
849
00:34:08,915 --> 00:34:10,283
That includes Idaho.
850
00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:11,784
-Montana's not a border state.
-No.
851
00:34:11,884 --> 00:34:13,186
West Virginia's
not a border state.
852
00:34:13,286 --> 00:34:14,787
New Hampshire's
not a border state.
853
00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:16,189
They're all border states now.
854
00:34:16,289 --> 00:34:18,725
Every state is a border state.