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ANNOUNCER: Coming
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America, it's The Daily Show.
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Tonight, President Barack Obama
is here, and Barack Obama,
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and did we mention
President Barack Obama?
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This is The Daily
Show with Trevor Noah.
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What's going on, everybody?
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Welcome to The Daily Show.
I'm Trevor Noah.
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Thank you so much
for tuning in.
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And thank you for coming
out in person, everybody.
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Thank you for being here.
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Thank you so much
for being here.
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Thank you for being here.
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Take a seat.
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Take a seat.
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We've got a very special show
lined up for you tonight.
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We're all going
back to the moon.
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Republicans are storming
the House again.
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And Herschel Walker
gets involved
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in a fight between
werewolves and vampires.
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Plus, we're being joined
by one of my favorite Black
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American presidents.
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Barack Obama is joining
us on the show today.
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[cheering]
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So let's do this, people.
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Let's jump straight
into today's headlines.
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[music playing]
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All right, people, I'm
going to be honest.
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With all the news
happening right now,
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I don't think we have enough
space in today's show.
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There's not enough time.
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And I tried everything.
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I tried everything.
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I even tried putting
the news in the sauna
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so it could sweat it
out for a little while.
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But it didn't work.
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The news just came
out glistening
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and sexier than ever.
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But we still don't
have enough time.
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Fortunately, though,
not enough time
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is just enough time for a
segment we call Ain't Nobody
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Got Time for That.
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[cheering]
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All right, let's kick things
off with the moon, a.k.a.
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Ashy Earth.
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The last time humans
set foot on it was 1972.
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But now we might finally
be getting a sequel.
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REPORTER: NASA going back to
the moon for the first time
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in five decades, launching
the most powerful rocket
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in the world into
space, kicking off its
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high-stakes Artemis 1 mission.
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This is a test flight
with test dummies.
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But if this succeeds,
astronauts could
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do the same in two years.
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And NASA says
that this really
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opens the door to a whole new
world of space exploration.
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The long-term goal here is
to set up a base on the moon
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where people can actually live.
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Yes, unlike crypto, we are
actually going to the moon.
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[laughter]
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And before you haters
start saying, oh,
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do we really need to
go back to the moon?
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Yes, we do.
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Of course, we do.
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Buzz Aldrin left
his keys up there.
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The dude's been locked out
of his house for 53 years.
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And, you know, I was
thinking, wouldn't it
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be funny if when we
got back up there,
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we find out that the
original astronauts
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did a bunch of crazy shit that
they didn't tell us about?
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Like, the new
astronauts step out,
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and there's a bunch
of moon babies
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that look like Neil Armstrong.
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Yeah, just like, daddy, you're
finally back from your trip
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to get cigarettes.
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It's like, wait, why
are you still babies?
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Now, as much as I
love space travel--
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and I really do-- my
one issue with NASA
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is, why do they keep
using Greek names?
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Huh?
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This program is Artemis.
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The old one was Apollo.
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Why doesn't NASA's
update things, you know?
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Name rockets after
today's mythical heroes.
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Everyone, we're sending
Artemis to the moon.
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Boring.
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Everyone, we're sending
John Wick to the moon.
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Oh, yeah!
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Shit's about to go down.
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Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew!
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Now, if we had more
time, we could talk about
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whether humans should be going
anywhere in the universe given
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the fact that we can't even get
COVID under control down here.
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Because if we're
not careful, we
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might turn into
the conquistadors
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of the solar system, right?
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Just be like, is
there life on Mars?
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Uh, there was.
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[coughs] But we don't have
time to talk about lifeforms
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in space because there
are some new life
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forms coming to Congress.
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House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi just
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said that she will
not seek a leadership
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position in the new Congress.
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Her announcement comes
after Republicans
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won control of the
House of Representatives
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in the midterm elections.
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With great confidence
in our caucus,
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I will not seek re-election
to Democratic leadership
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in the next Congress.
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Yes, that's right.
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It is a new era in Congress.
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Nancy Pelosi is stepping down.
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And Republicans have officially
won control of the House.
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And this time they did it
without shitting on the floor.
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That's growth.
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That is growth.
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And, you know, Kevin McCarthy
might be happy right now,
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you know, that he could
replace Nancy Pelosi next year
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as Speaker of the House.
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But, remember-- remember,
half of his caucus
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believe in Jewish space
lasers that stole the election
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using Venezuelan mind control.
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So good luck to him
controlling them.
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Yeah, he's going to
be trying to get more
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tax cuts for corporations.
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Meanwhile, they'll
be like, boo!
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We want to subpoena
Hunter Biden's penis!
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Bring it here!
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Put that penis under oath!
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And, you know,
Republicans are finally
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going to learn that
being in charge
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brings its own sets
of promises, you know?
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You've got to deliver.
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You have to deliver on
your campaign promises.
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That's a challenge.
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And what was the number one
issue that they campaigned on?
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[bleep] Joe Biden.
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[laughter]
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And now that they won,
voters will be expecting
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them to [bleep] Joe Biden.
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[laughter]
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They have to do it.
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[cheering]
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They have to go
through the steps.
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They said it, not me.
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Yeah, they're going to have
to pass a bill to ask him out.
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They're going to have to
agree on the restaurant
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to take him out to.
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And then when they
take him home,
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they're going to have
to listen to his stories
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before he lets them
smash. (IMITATING BIDEN)
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And we're going to
see the people--
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did I tell you about the
time I was by the pool, man.
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It's a great time
with this Negro.
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Yeah, good luck
keeping a hard-on
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through that, Republicans.
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Now, if we had
more time, we could
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talk more about
all the news coming
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out of America's politics.
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For instance, we could
talk about the Senate
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moving closer to protecting
gay marriage, finally.
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Or we could talk about
Karen Bass becoming
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LA's first female mayor.
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Or we could talk about whether
the next Speaker of the House
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will be able to beat
Nancy Pelosi's high score
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on the stock market.
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But we don't have
the time for that
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because there's one
man who, god forbid,
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might be joining these
people in the Capitol.
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And, boy, is he going to be
bringing the greatest hits.
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I watched this movie
called Fright Night, Freak
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Night, some kind of a night.
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But it was about vampires.
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But I'm going to tell you
something that I found out.
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A werewolf can kill a vampire.
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Did you know that?
I never knew that.
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So I don't want to
be a vampire anymore.
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I want to be a werewolf.
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So I'm watching my TV of
these kids watching their TV.
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The guy jumped in front
of them, this holy water,
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threw it on the
vampire forehead.
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He covered his eyes.
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Then he took his hand away.
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He started laughing.
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He took the cross.
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He put it on the
vampire forehead.
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And the vampire didn't
even do anything.
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He said, that don't work.
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And that's the way
it is in our life.
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It doesn't work unless
you've got faith.
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You've got to have
faith in this country.
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You got to have faith in
the elected officials.
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And right now that's
the reason I'm here.
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Step aside,
Gettysburg Address.
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[laughter]
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America has the new
greatest speech of all time.
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Because you tell
me the last time
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you heard a speech about
vampires, werewolves, faith,
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politics, and garlic, huh?
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And I don't know if Herschel
Walker should be a US Senator.
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But he should definitely
be elected as America's
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official movie reviewer.
Did you hear that?
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I want to watch that movie.
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I don't even know what it was.
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He should do this for every
movie. (IMITATING WALKER)
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Y'all seen The Little Mermaid?
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This woman was a fish,
but then her boyfriend
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threw a fork in the ocean.
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And because of an octopus,
she lost her voice.
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And we need a new
voice in Washington.
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And now that Little
Mermaid is Black.
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Thank you, ladies
and gentlemen.
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Thank you.
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[cheering]
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Now, if only we had more
time, we could watch more
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of Herschel Walker's speech.
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Or we could talk about how
Elon Musk said that he will
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eventually let someone
else run Twitter, which
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is a genius idea that
everyone else had
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before he took over Twitter.
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Or we could talk about how this
FTX crash could actually bring
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all of crypto down
because of the regulators
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looking into crypto.
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Or we could talk about how
Congress might be bringing
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Ticketmaster in for
hearings because I
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guess they couldn't get
Taylor Swift tickets either.
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But we don't have the
time for any of that
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because there's
someone backstage
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by the name of Barack Obama.
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And we've got to make time to
speak to him right after this.
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Don't go away.
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President Barack Obama
is coming up on the show.
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[cheering]
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Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
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Our guest tonight is here to
discuss the inaugural Obama
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Foundation Democracy
Forum, and how
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he's training the next
generation of young leaders
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in the US and around the world.
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Please welcome the 44th
president of the United
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States, Barack Obama.
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[cheering]
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Yeah, that's right.
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I should have brought Michelle
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This is how I'd like to be
greeted when I come home.
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But I feel like Michelle's
the star now, right?
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Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
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Mr. President, welcome
to The Daily Show.
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It is wonderful to see you.
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Do you miss your
name, by the way?
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Because everyone calls you
Mr. President, but like,
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I feel like I would,
like if people
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called me like
Mr. Daily, I would
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miss just being called Trevor.
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Do you miss your
name sometimes?
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My best friends
call me Barack.
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TREVOR NOAH: OK, OK.
So, Barack.
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You should call
me Mr. President.
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TREVOR NOAH: Oh, I knew it.
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But--
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You know, I was--
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[laughs] welcome to the show.
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Let's start with, I mean,
the most pressing news.
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The midterms just happened.
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You know, America voted.
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The House is flipping.
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Democrats have held
onto the Senate.
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Many credit you for
coming out and pushing
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out people to vote.
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I would love to know
two parts to that.
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Number one, do you do you
feel pressure whenever
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you're asked to come out?
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It's like in the
movies when they need
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that home run and the bases
are load and the team's losing
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and they go,
Barack, we need you
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to hit this out of the park,
we might lose everything.
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Do you feel the pressure?
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Does it get to you?
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And second of all,
what does it say
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about the state of
the Democratic party
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that they always need
you to come out and do
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that before an election?
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Look, I think that
the reason we did better
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than expected can be attributed
to not me or anything I did,
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but it has to do
with A, we recruited
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some excellent candidates.
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You look like at a Wes
Moore in Maryland, a Josh
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Shapiro in Pennsylvania.
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You look at our
Senate candidates,
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you know, John Fetterman
and Mark Kelly.
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They are committed,
passionate, down to earth,
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they connect with people.
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And so I come in mainly to
shine a spotlight on them.
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So that's point number one.
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And the second thing that
happened in this Midterm,
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and we've seen it now
for three elections,
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so I'm starting to feel pretty
hopeful that this is a habit,
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young people are voting.
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And you've got higher,
it has been many times
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remarked how I got
thumped during Midterms
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during my presidency.
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And part of it was that
voting rates were really low.
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People in some sense, I think
a lot of Democrats felt,
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all right, Obama's
there, we'll be OK.
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And if it turns out that
McConnell and Boehner
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and others suddenly
have power, then
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that greatly restricts
what a president can do.
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And I think that
lesson was learned.
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Trump comes in and suddenly
2018, 2020, and now this one,
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you've seen young
people come in
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and they're typically voting
at a rate of 70 to 30, 60 to 40
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Democrat to Republican.
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TREVOR NOAH: Right.
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And that makes
a huge difference.
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And so their--
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TREVOR NOAH: But
many of them are--
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--enthusiasm I think is what
really drove this election.
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I agree with that in terms of
the people who actually voted.
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But young people don't seem
to be turning out as much.
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So the ones who did vote,
voted overwhelmingly Democrat.
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Yes.
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But then the number
of young voters
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seems to be dwindling
from election to election.
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And many young
voters are saying
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they feel disillusioned.
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They feel like America
hasn't made a way for them.
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They don't see a
future for themselves.
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Well, look, what is always
true is young people are
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going to vote at slightly
lower rates than old people,
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like me.
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Because they've got
better things to do.
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Michelle and I are sitting
at home, eating dinner.
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We've kind of run
out of things to say.
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Well, let's go vote.
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Young people, Malia
and Sasha, they're out,
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they got all kinds of stuff.
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So that's always
going to be the case
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that young people voting
rates are a little bit lower.
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They are higher now than
they were in the Midterms
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when I was president.
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And in such a
polarized environment,
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1%, 2%, 3%, if they're turning
out at 21% instead of 18%--
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TREVOR NOAH: It
makes a difference.
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--that can make an
enormous difference.
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Right.
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When you look at
that tiny difference,
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you still see the
places where, I mean,
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people got into power
despite the fact
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that they deny elections.
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I think Republicans got
170 election deniers
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into Congress, people who don't
believe in the way America
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is running its elections,
people who don't believe Joe
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Biden should be
president or they'll
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be vague about their answers.
BARACK OBAMA: Yeah.
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What do you what
do you think it says
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about American democracy that
so many people are getting
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elected to these positions
when they seem to dismiss
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the election itself?
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Well, the interesting
thing is, you notice,
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election deniers don't
deny their own election.
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Funny how that works.
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How many of them
actually believe
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some of the nonsense that
circulates versus those who
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think it's convenient or
it's a way to own the libs
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or it's a way to send a
message or align themselves
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with Trump?
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That's hard to say.
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But what is important is,
that because of some really
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concerted efforts in a
lot of important states,
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some of the most egregious,
prominent, and potentially
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dangerous election deniers--
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TREVOR NOAH: Right.
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--they got thumped.
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They got beat.
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And particularly in these
Secretary of States races,
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and in some cases,
Governor's races,
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where in the next
presidential election,
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you could have somebody who
could really do some damage.
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There, I think
we held the line.
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Now what it does
say more broadly,
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is the fact that not just
here in the United States,
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but around the world,
the fundamental precepts
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of democracy are
being challenged.
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TREVOR NOAH: Right.
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We're not having
arguments about policy,
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but we're having arguments
about the rules of the game,
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which previously we
all agreed to, right?
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There was a notion
that all right,
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we run elections, whoever gets
the most votes actually wins.
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The loser concedes,
goes back and tries
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to do better next time.
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And what we've seen now
for a whole host of reasons
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is a creeping sense that if the
outcome is not what we want,
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then we can do whatever
we want and say
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whatever we want in
order for us to win.
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And that is
profoundly dangerous.
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And as I said, it's not
unique to the United States,
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but when it happens
in the United States,
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it sends a signal
all around the world
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that weakens democracy.
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And that's why I think
us getting our house
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in order is so important.
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When you look at the
discourse in the country,
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as well, and around
the world, but again, I
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think you're correct
in that America is
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a leader in what's
happening right now,
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the discourse has
become so toxic.
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Yeah.
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TREVOR NOAH: You were
in every single state.
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You were meeting with
people all the way from Iowa
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through to California,
wherever you were
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meeting people on the ground.
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They were listening to you.
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There was an openness,
even though people
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had different
political affiliations.
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It seems like that
has eroded over time.
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And I wonder what
you make of that.
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Where do you think
it's coming from?
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Do you think it's social media?
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Do you think it's the tenor
of politicians in the capital?
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Two things.
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The biggest change
that's taking place.
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When I ran for let's say
US Senate in Illinois,
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you go down state,
that's the South.
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I mean, it's rural,
it's conservative.
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There aren't a lot of folks
who look like you or me.
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And certainly, there are
more Trevors than there
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are Baracks in these areas.
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[laughs]
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And so-- and I'm driving
around, I've got a map.
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For young people here,
it's this paper thing.
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You can't figure out
how to fold it back,
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but it's how you find
your way on roads.
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But I go into a town and
it'd be 70% Republican, a lot
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of evangelicals, et cetera.
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But I could go to a diner or
a VFW Hall or a county fair.
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I could go to the
local newspaper,
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and the owner there
is conservative,
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and he's got a bow
tie and buzz, cut
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and he's kind of
skeptical about my ideas.
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But there wasn't
the filter that
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had been created by Fox News
or the media infrastructure,
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the sort of right wing
conspiracy theory folks.
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And so they came at
me with an open mind.
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And I could listen to them,
and they could listen to me.
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And at the end of the
day, they might say, well,
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he's a little liberal
for our taste,
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but we have
something in common.
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He talked about his
mom getting sick.
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I remember my mom getting sick.
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You know, it seems
like he loves his kids.
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I love my kids.
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There was some
sense of connection.
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And I think the filter
now has become so thick.
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It started I think
with Fox News
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and some of the other
traditional media.
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And now with social media,
that's gotten turbocharged.
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If you go into those
same communities now,
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they have so many
preconceptions about what
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somebody like me
believes, cares about,
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et cetera, that it's
very hard to penetrate.
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So I think the answer is both
thinking about information
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flow and media, and how can we
break through that information
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bubble that people are in.
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That requires, by the
way, progressives to get
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out of their media bubble.
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Because we've got some
preconceptions that I
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think create barriers as well.
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And then working a
lot more locally.
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Because you notice
that when you're
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on the ground doing stuff, it's
harder to stereotype people.
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And the nationalization
of our politics I think
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has been damaging.
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The more we can focus
on grassroots efforts,
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real world rather than
just virtual meetings,
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conversations, that's
what over time I think
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can help strengthen democracy.
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And that's part of what
our emphasis has been
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at the foundation is,
with young leaders who
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are working on the ground--
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TREVOR NOAH: Right.
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--coming up with new ideas
to create those connections.
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Well, I definitely want
to speak to you about that.
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I want to speak to you
about democracy worldwide.
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I want to speak to you
about disinformation
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and what we can do to
immunize ourselves from it.
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But we've got to
take a quick break.
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We'll be right back
after this with more
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from President Barack Obama.
- Very good.
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Thank you.
506
00:20:18,355 --> 00:20:21,625
[cheering]
507
00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:36,039
[cheering]
508
00:20:38,808 --> 00:20:40,243
Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
509
00:20:40,343 --> 00:20:42,646
We are still here with
President Barack Obama,
510
00:20:42,746 --> 00:20:45,348
chatting democracy,
disinformation, and who
511
00:20:45,448 --> 00:20:46,549
is better looking between us.
I won.
512
00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:47,550
Oh.
513
00:20:47,651 --> 00:20:48,718
[laughter]
514
00:20:48,818 --> 00:20:49,719
TREVOR NOAH: Let's start--
515
00:20:49,819 --> 00:20:51,354
[laughs]
516
00:20:51,454 --> 00:20:52,622
Listen.
517
00:20:52,722 --> 00:20:55,792
The real question is, how
will he look when he's 60?
518
00:20:55,892 --> 00:20:57,627
[laughter]
519
00:20:57,727 --> 00:20:58,795
61.
520
00:20:58,895 --> 00:21:04,200
You know, I mean,
everybody's attractive when
521
00:21:04,301 --> 00:21:05,669
they're in their 20s and 30s.
522
00:21:05,769 --> 00:21:06,936
I mean, come on.
- [laughs]
523
00:21:07,037 --> 00:21:07,937
You know?
524
00:21:08,038 --> 00:21:09,005
TREVOR NOAH: I'm
almost 40, sir.
525
00:21:09,105 --> 00:21:10,440
That's no feat.
Almost?
526
00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:12,075
TREVOR NOAH: Yeah, almost.
- That doesn't count.
527
00:21:12,175 --> 00:21:13,310
- Almost.
- Still doesn't count.
528
00:21:13,410 --> 00:21:14,311
Let's talk--
529
00:21:14,411 --> 00:21:15,312
Live a little bit.
530
00:21:15,412 --> 00:21:16,446
[laughs] Let's talk about--
531
00:21:16,546 --> 00:21:17,447
I plan to.
532
00:21:17,547 --> 00:21:19,115
Let's talk about
your foundation.
533
00:21:19,215 --> 00:21:20,283
Let's talk about
what you're doing.
534
00:21:20,383 --> 00:21:21,284
We see you out there.
535
00:21:21,384 --> 00:21:23,987
We see you talking
about democracy.
536
00:21:24,087 --> 00:21:26,623
The world is in a really
interesting place in that,
537
00:21:26,723 --> 00:21:28,692
a few years ago, I
think the world was at,
538
00:21:28,792 --> 00:21:31,428
like, 49%, 50% of the
world was-- you could say
539
00:21:31,528 --> 00:21:34,531
the countries were democratic.
540
00:21:34,631 --> 00:21:35,632
They had elections.
541
00:21:35,732 --> 00:21:36,800
People won those elections.
542
00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:38,802
There was an exchange
of power, et cetera.
543
00:21:38,902 --> 00:21:42,539
And now I think 70% of the
world is living in a state
544
00:21:42,639 --> 00:21:43,740
where they're
either ruled-- where
545
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,210
it's a complete autocracy
or it isn't a democracy.
546
00:21:47,243 --> 00:21:48,244
Right.
547
00:21:48,345 --> 00:21:49,446
Two things again.
548
00:21:49,546 --> 00:21:52,782
One, why do you think the
world has gotten there?
549
00:21:52,882 --> 00:21:57,053
If democracy and freedom are
things that everybody wishes
550
00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:58,855
to have, why does it
seem like the world
551
00:21:58,955 --> 00:22:00,290
is moving away from that?
552
00:22:00,390 --> 00:22:04,394
And then, secondly, what can we
do, or why should we then try
553
00:22:04,494 --> 00:22:06,096
to get back to this democracy?
554
00:22:06,229 --> 00:22:08,231
If you look at
the trend lines,
555
00:22:08,298 --> 00:22:10,800
there are a bunch
of factors, I think.
556
00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:15,105
Globalization, the global
economy disrupted a lot
557
00:22:15,238 --> 00:22:17,774
of traditional societies.
558
00:22:17,874 --> 00:22:19,576
TREVOR NOAH: What do
you mean by disrupted?
559
00:22:19,676 --> 00:22:24,481
Well, the global supply
chain eliminates industries,
560
00:22:24,581 --> 00:22:25,615
eliminates jobs--
561
00:22:25,715 --> 00:22:26,916
TREVOR NOAH: Got it.
562
00:22:27,017 --> 00:22:32,622
--increases the wealth gap
not only between countries
563
00:22:32,722 --> 00:22:33,723
but within countries, right?
564
00:22:33,823 --> 00:22:38,061
So-- and then modernity
challenges people's
565
00:22:38,194 --> 00:22:43,099
traditional notions of religion
and family and gender roles.
566
00:22:43,199 --> 00:22:45,335
And you've got these
culture clashes, right?
567
00:22:45,435 --> 00:22:47,637
You're in some
village in Yemen,
568
00:22:47,737 --> 00:22:49,072
and suddenly your
kid has a phone
569
00:22:49,205 --> 00:22:51,374
and is looking at
the Kardashians and--
570
00:22:51,474 --> 00:22:52,375
TREVOR NOAH: Right.
571
00:22:52,475 --> 00:22:56,212
And so you get this vertigo.
572
00:22:56,246 --> 00:23:00,917
And what happened-- what
you've seen happen, I think,
573
00:23:01,017 --> 00:23:04,120
in a whole bunch of
places is essentially
574
00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:07,424
a pushback, a backlash to
change that is happening
575
00:23:07,524 --> 00:23:10,760
too fast for their comfort.
576
00:23:10,860 --> 00:23:14,764
And when people are pushing
back against change,
577
00:23:14,864 --> 00:23:16,566
then they're vulnerable
to politicians who say,
578
00:23:16,666 --> 00:23:17,867
you know what?
579
00:23:17,968 --> 00:23:24,240
I can make things just like
it was back then, when you
580
00:23:25,241 --> 00:23:26,543
were feeling more important.
581
00:23:26,643 --> 00:23:28,378
You had higher status.
582
00:23:28,478 --> 00:23:32,382
You didn't have people who
don't look like you suggesting
583
00:23:32,482 --> 00:23:39,189
somehow that you're
doing something wrong,
584
00:23:40,223 --> 00:23:44,961
that somehow your
traditions are flawed.
585
00:23:45,061 --> 00:23:49,199
And that appeal
usually also involves
586
00:23:49,299 --> 00:23:51,434
saying the problems
you're feeling
587
00:23:51,534 --> 00:23:53,503
are somebody else's fault.
It's those folks there.
588
00:23:53,603 --> 00:23:54,504
It's immigrants.
589
00:23:54,604 --> 00:23:55,505
It's gays.
590
00:23:55,605 --> 00:23:57,073
It's Hindus.
591
00:23:57,207 --> 00:23:58,074
It's Muslims.
592
00:23:58,208 --> 00:24:03,279
It's-- so forth and so on.
593
00:24:03,380 --> 00:24:08,585
And that then gets turbocharged
with the information issues
594
00:24:08,685 --> 00:24:11,121
that we talked about.
595
00:24:11,221 --> 00:24:15,325
And, look, democracy
requires, by definition,
596
00:24:15,425 --> 00:24:19,529
getting along with people
who don't agree with you.
597
00:24:19,629 --> 00:24:21,965
And the other
thing that happens
598
00:24:22,065 --> 00:24:24,634
is these countries are becoming
less homogeneous, right?
599
00:24:24,734 --> 00:24:31,741
And so you just had a
right-wing party in Sweden,
600
00:24:34,944 --> 00:24:36,579
which we always used to--
Swedes, right?
601
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,580
They're fun.
602
00:24:37,681 --> 00:24:38,982
They're so chill--
603
00:24:39,082 --> 00:24:39,983
[laughs] Yes.
604
00:24:40,083 --> 00:24:41,318
--and democratic, right?
605
00:24:41,418 --> 00:24:45,088
But if you've got a whole
bunch of immigrants coming in,
606
00:24:45,188 --> 00:24:47,057
suddenly people start
getting nervous.
607
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:51,861
And so part of what
I think we have to do
608
00:24:51,961 --> 00:24:58,568
is to stand fast on the
principles of equality
609
00:24:59,636 --> 00:25:01,938
and self governance
and representation,
610
00:25:02,038 --> 00:25:04,474
and everybody gets
a seat at the table.
611
00:25:04,574 --> 00:25:08,111
But I think we have to also
find a language and a story,
612
00:25:08,211 --> 00:25:13,116
a way of telling the story
about how we can get together
613
00:25:13,216 --> 00:25:15,218
that does not
threaten people who
614
00:25:15,318 --> 00:25:18,822
are uncomfortable
with change as much.
615
00:25:18,922 --> 00:25:21,658
And that's going
to be different
616
00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:22,625
for different countries.
617
00:25:22,726 --> 00:25:24,260
But I'll give you an example.
618
00:25:24,361 --> 00:25:27,998
There's a young leader who we
worked with from Slovenia--
619
00:25:28,098 --> 00:25:29,766
she's part of our network--
620
00:25:29,866 --> 00:25:34,537
who was an advocate
for doing something
621
00:25:34,638 --> 00:25:36,473
about domestic violence.
622
00:25:36,573 --> 00:25:38,775
The laws of that country
didn't have domestic violence.
623
00:25:38,875 --> 00:25:40,443
It was a real problem.
624
00:25:40,543 --> 00:25:43,013
Ran a referendum--
it got crushed.
625
00:25:43,179 --> 00:25:46,016
And we worked with
her and suggested,
626
00:25:46,182 --> 00:25:47,684
well, maybe you want
to talk to the people
627
00:25:47,784 --> 00:25:49,185
who didn't vote for it.
628
00:25:49,219 --> 00:25:54,090
So she goes out to these rural
villages with these older,
629
00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:56,993
traditional, rural, very
religious, very conservative
630
00:25:57,093 --> 00:25:59,562
women, and just interviewed
them and listened to them
631
00:25:59,663 --> 00:26:00,930
and talked to them.
632
00:26:01,031 --> 00:26:05,635
And it's not that they
agreed with domestic abuse.
633
00:26:05,735 --> 00:26:09,272
It's that they thought
their way of life
634
00:26:09,372 --> 00:26:10,273
was being challenged.
635
00:26:10,373 --> 00:26:11,274
TREVOR NOAH: Right.
636
00:26:11,374 --> 00:26:12,842
She adapted
their language, ran
637
00:26:12,942 --> 00:26:14,511
the referendum again
a few years later,
638
00:26:14,611 --> 00:26:16,279
and it passed, right?
639
00:26:16,379 --> 00:26:19,916
Because she adopted the
language that made them feel
640
00:26:20,016 --> 00:26:26,122
as if, OK, this is not
so much of a earthquake,
641
00:26:26,222 --> 00:26:27,991
a huge change in how we live.
642
00:26:28,091 --> 00:26:30,760
But it's rather affirming
our best values.
643
00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:35,432
And I think us finding ways
to do that in a consistent way
644
00:26:35,532 --> 00:26:37,334
will help.
645
00:26:37,434 --> 00:26:38,568
But it's hard.
646
00:26:38,668 --> 00:26:40,904
Yeah, look, for most
of human history,
647
00:26:41,004 --> 00:26:44,507
democracy is a relatively
recent vintage.
648
00:26:44,607 --> 00:26:45,508
TREVOR NOAH: It's a blip.
649
00:26:45,608 --> 00:26:47,410
It's a blip, yeah.
650
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:53,249
Tribe, nation
state, race, sect--
651
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:55,885
that's typically been
how we organize things.
652
00:26:55,986 --> 00:26:58,822
And it's always easy
to say us versus them.
653
00:26:58,922 --> 00:27:00,090
That's the easy politics.
654
00:27:00,190 --> 00:27:01,091
Right.
655
00:27:01,191 --> 00:27:03,493
What democracy
demands is always
656
00:27:03,593 --> 00:27:04,527
a little bit more difficult.
657
00:27:04,627 --> 00:27:08,598
It also feels like
when you observe it,
658
00:27:08,698 --> 00:27:12,268
there are two elements that I
often see is on the one hand
659
00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:15,005
storytelling, as you said.
660
00:27:15,105 --> 00:27:16,439
It's often easier to
tell a story of blame.
661
00:27:16,539 --> 00:27:17,440
Yes.
662
00:27:17,540 --> 00:27:18,675
Why are things going wrong?
663
00:27:18,775 --> 00:27:20,276
It's because of that person.
It's simple.
664
00:27:20,377 --> 00:27:22,212
There's the person.
We've solved it.
665
00:27:22,278 --> 00:27:23,546
Why are things going wrong?
666
00:27:23,647 --> 00:27:25,081
Well, there's a confluence of
factors, and you have this,
667
00:27:25,215 --> 00:27:26,216
and you have the economy.
668
00:27:26,249 --> 00:27:27,250
You got to understand
the supply chain.
669
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:28,718
That's not an answer
for many people.
670
00:27:28,818 --> 00:27:30,053
Yes.
671
00:27:30,153 --> 00:27:31,921
And when you sell freedom,
they go, I can't eat freedom.
672
00:27:32,022 --> 00:27:33,156
I can't buy a
house with freedom.
673
00:27:33,189 --> 00:27:34,391
I can't-- you know?
674
00:27:34,491 --> 00:27:36,693
And then the second part is
what you're talking about,
675
00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:40,597
the us versus the them,
the who is and who isn't.
676
00:27:40,697 --> 00:27:43,867
Sometimes I think for many
people it feels like--
677
00:27:43,967 --> 00:27:47,637
it feels like the populists
come in and just do, you know?
678
00:27:47,737 --> 00:27:51,808
Whether it is in Brazil, you
know, whether it's Bolsonaro,
679
00:27:51,908 --> 00:27:53,576
whether it's in
America with Trump,
680
00:27:53,677 --> 00:27:54,944
they go, they're
just going to do.
681
00:27:55,045 --> 00:27:56,613
And whether they do or
don't actually do it,
682
00:27:56,713 --> 00:27:57,881
it feels like
they're going to do.
683
00:27:57,981 --> 00:27:59,716
But then some people
go, oh, but when
684
00:27:59,816 --> 00:28:02,652
we get the freedom
people, they want to talk,
685
00:28:02,752 --> 00:28:03,687
and they want to discuss.
686
00:28:03,787 --> 00:28:05,455
And it seems
incremental, and it seems
687
00:28:05,555 --> 00:28:06,656
like things won't change.
688
00:28:06,756 --> 00:28:07,857
Yeah.
689
00:28:07,957 --> 00:28:09,359
Is there a way
to combat that?
690
00:28:09,459 --> 00:28:11,194
Because it is a feeling
a lot of the time.
691
00:28:11,227 --> 00:28:15,598
Well, yeah, look,
if you want to be
692
00:28:15,699 --> 00:28:20,236
a progressive, pluralist,
tolerant democrat--
693
00:28:20,337 --> 00:28:22,205
and I don't mean
small d democrat.
694
00:28:22,305 --> 00:28:25,542
I don't mean Democratic Party.
695
00:28:25,642 --> 00:28:26,643
You can't be a wuss.
696
00:28:26,743 --> 00:28:27,877
TREVOR NOAH: [laughs]
697
00:28:27,978 --> 00:28:34,484
I mean, you've got to
have a story with some swag.
698
00:28:34,584 --> 00:28:37,320
You've got to be able
to sell the future.
699
00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:39,155
[cheering]
700
00:28:39,189 --> 00:28:42,425
And deliver.
701
00:28:42,525 --> 00:28:46,162
And also call out
the fact that what
702
00:28:46,229 --> 00:28:49,766
those folks say they're going
to do, they almost never
703
00:28:49,866 --> 00:28:51,601
do, right?
704
00:28:51,701 --> 00:28:58,208
Because the truth of the matter
is that when you look at--
705
00:28:58,308 --> 00:29:02,345
we have experiments--
those countries
706
00:29:02,445 --> 00:29:06,783
that have the ability
to harness everyone.
707
00:29:06,883 --> 00:29:08,818
And everybody participates,
and there's consent,
708
00:29:08,918 --> 00:29:10,820
and people feel
like, all right,
709
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,793
this is working for us, versus
places that are failed states.
710
00:29:16,893 --> 00:29:22,399
The track record of
democracy is pretty good.
711
00:29:22,499 --> 00:29:27,203
But we have to be forceful
in making our argument.
712
00:29:27,304 --> 00:29:32,275
And what is true is
that we can't just talk.
713
00:29:32,375 --> 00:29:35,945
We got to walk the
walk, which is why we're
714
00:29:36,046 --> 00:29:37,681
having a forum in New York.
715
00:29:37,781 --> 00:29:40,483
One of the topics that
we're talking about
716
00:29:40,583 --> 00:29:43,620
is inclusive capitalism.
717
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,522
People are-- when
you think about,
718
00:29:45,622 --> 00:29:47,657
let's say, here in
the United States,
719
00:29:47,757 --> 00:29:52,662
there's greater appeal of
right-wing populism in a lot
720
00:29:52,762 --> 00:29:54,197
of communities,
rural communities,
721
00:29:54,297 --> 00:29:59,936
that they're not wrong that the
economy, the global economy,
722
00:30:00,036 --> 00:30:03,640
has shifted away from
them to urban centers,
723
00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:05,475
even in their own states.
724
00:30:05,575 --> 00:30:11,014
And so the opportunities
in Austin, Texas
725
00:30:11,181 --> 00:30:16,820
are different than in a rural
community in East Texas.
726
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,055
And people notice that.
727
00:30:19,189 --> 00:30:22,192
So we have to spend some
time thinking about,
728
00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:26,596
how are we delivering on
behalf of people whose lives--
729
00:30:26,696 --> 00:30:31,267
who used to work in a factory,
who used to farm for a living,
730
00:30:31,368 --> 00:30:37,641
and have dignity and worth
and stability and security
731
00:30:37,741 --> 00:30:40,744
in those lives, and now,
suddenly, they don't feel
732
00:30:40,844 --> 00:30:43,246
as if they've got
the lottery ticket
733
00:30:43,346 --> 00:30:45,315
in this existing economy?
734
00:30:45,415 --> 00:30:46,983
That does have to be addressed.
735
00:30:47,083 --> 00:30:53,990
And in places like Africa,
you know, right now you have,
736
00:30:55,058 --> 00:30:57,861
let's say, China coming
in, heavy presence
737
00:30:57,961 --> 00:31:00,330
in a lot of these
countries, providing
738
00:31:00,430 --> 00:31:02,799
a lot of foreign aid-- a
lot of strings attached,
739
00:31:02,899 --> 00:31:06,169
a lot of Chinese workers coming
in to build big buildings.
740
00:31:06,269 --> 00:31:07,604
Right, them owning
the points, et cetera.
741
00:31:07,704 --> 00:31:08,605
Et cetera.
742
00:31:08,705 --> 00:31:12,042
But if we're not
there, if we're not
743
00:31:12,142 --> 00:31:15,312
helping build that
road, if we're not there
744
00:31:15,412 --> 00:31:20,717
to build that port,
then naturally people
745
00:31:20,817 --> 00:31:22,052
are going to start
thinking, well, maybe
746
00:31:22,152 --> 00:31:26,022
that's a recipe for
bettering my life as
747
00:31:26,122 --> 00:31:28,858
opposed to some
flowery language,
748
00:31:28,958 --> 00:31:29,926
but it has nothing behind it.
749
00:31:30,026 --> 00:31:31,194
TREVOR NOAH: Right, right.
750
00:31:31,227 --> 00:31:35,665
I wonder, though, do you
think inclusive capitalism
751
00:31:35,765 --> 00:31:37,567
is somewhat of a paradox?
752
00:31:37,667 --> 00:31:38,935
A few think it's possible.
753
00:31:39,035 --> 00:31:41,237
It feels-- you think it's--
because it feels like, I mean,
754
00:31:41,338 --> 00:31:43,239
capitalism is designed
to extract as much
755
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:45,208
wealth as possible
from every single
756
00:31:45,308 --> 00:31:46,776
interaction that it can.
757
00:31:46,876 --> 00:31:50,647
Yeah, but, look,
I mentioned Sweden
758
00:31:50,747 --> 00:31:52,248
and some of the problems
they're having because.
759
00:31:52,349 --> 00:31:53,616
Immigration on the
other hand, you look
760
00:31:53,717 --> 00:31:54,617
at Scandinavian countries.
761
00:31:54,718 --> 00:31:56,252
They're capitalist
countries, but--
762
00:31:56,353 --> 00:31:57,287
But some people would argue--
763
00:31:57,387 --> 00:31:58,722
--and those work very well.
764
00:31:58,822 --> 00:32:01,224
But some people would argue
that their foundation is more
765
00:32:01,324 --> 00:32:02,625
socialist, and
then they go with--
766
00:32:02,726 --> 00:32:05,095
it's almost like they go,
we're socialist first,
767
00:32:05,228 --> 00:32:06,997
and then capitalism
is our undercurrent.
768
00:32:07,097 --> 00:32:07,998
TREVOR NOAH: Not really.
769
00:32:08,098 --> 00:32:09,099
You don't agree with that?
770
00:32:09,232 --> 00:32:12,969
Well, if you go
there, essentially,
771
00:32:13,069 --> 00:32:15,472
people are taxed more, and
they have more common goods.
772
00:32:15,572 --> 00:32:16,840
Right.
773
00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:19,275
But you're still going around
at a job, and you get paid,
774
00:32:19,376 --> 00:32:22,746
and you can't-- it's not like
you're going into the store,
775
00:32:22,846 --> 00:32:25,515
just grabbing whatever you
want [laughs] and walking out.
776
00:32:25,615 --> 00:32:26,983
- But the question--
- All right, see you!
777
00:32:27,083 --> 00:32:27,984
[laughs]
778
00:32:28,084 --> 00:32:29,285
See you, Sven, you know?
779
00:32:29,386 --> 00:32:30,286
No, but the reason--
780
00:32:30,387 --> 00:32:31,454
No, you got to
pay for it, right?
781
00:32:31,554 --> 00:32:32,622
Right.
782
00:32:32,722 --> 00:32:34,557
Then the guy at the
cash register's checking,
783
00:32:34,658 --> 00:32:36,092
did I make a profit here today?
Right.
784
00:32:36,192 --> 00:32:37,827
Right, but the reason I'm
asking that is because--
785
00:32:37,927 --> 00:32:40,096
and maybe it's the words
that fail us sometimes.
786
00:32:40,196 --> 00:32:41,998
I often-- I'll talk to
my friends about this.
787
00:32:42,098 --> 00:32:44,034
I go, it's interesting
that we sort of stopped.
788
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,268
We went, oh, this is socialism.
789
00:32:45,368 --> 00:32:46,903
There's this.
There's the communism.
790
00:32:47,003 --> 00:32:48,204
There's capital-- and
then we just stopped.
791
00:32:48,271 --> 00:32:49,205
We're like, this is it.
792
00:32:49,272 --> 00:32:50,407
There's capitalism,
and that's that.
793
00:32:50,507 --> 00:32:52,542
I sometimes wonder, is
there not something better?
794
00:32:52,642 --> 00:32:54,210
Is there not something we
could be moving towards?
795
00:32:54,311 --> 00:32:55,645
Well, I think there is.
The--
796
00:32:55,745 --> 00:32:57,781
Maybe I should be asking,
what is inclusive capitalism?
797
00:32:57,881 --> 00:33:04,387
The reason I just used, let's
say, a Denmark as an example
798
00:33:04,487 --> 00:33:07,624
is not because it's going
to work perfectly in India,
799
00:33:07,724 --> 00:33:08,958
the United States, et cetera.
800
00:33:09,059 --> 00:33:11,361
The point, though, is they've
got some blend, some mix.
801
00:33:11,461 --> 00:33:12,362
TREVOR NOAH: Right.
802
00:33:12,462 --> 00:33:14,030
Right?
803
00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:17,334
There is an advantage
in terms of efficiency
804
00:33:17,434 --> 00:33:19,736
and also freedom
to a market system.
805
00:33:19,836 --> 00:33:20,737
TREVOR NOAH: OK.
806
00:33:20,837 --> 00:33:22,472
You have a control system.
807
00:33:22,572 --> 00:33:24,908
You have some guy in an office
is deciding how many potatoes
808
00:33:25,008 --> 00:33:26,076
we're going to grow this year.
809
00:33:26,242 --> 00:33:27,243
That usually doesn't work.
810
00:33:27,344 --> 00:33:28,478
TREVOR NOAH: Right.
811
00:33:28,578 --> 00:33:31,314
The flip side of it is
that what we've also learned
812
00:33:31,414 --> 00:33:36,286
is that if some guy in
a boardroom is deciding,
813
00:33:36,386 --> 00:33:38,722
I'm going to ravage
the environment
814
00:33:38,822 --> 00:33:40,890
to do whatever I want,
that doesn't work either.
815
00:33:40,991 --> 00:33:42,025
TREVOR NOAH: Right.
816
00:33:42,192 --> 00:33:44,794
So we're going to have
a blend of some sort.
817
00:33:44,894 --> 00:33:46,596
We want some
collective decision
818
00:33:46,696 --> 00:33:50,567
making about the social good.
819
00:33:50,667 --> 00:33:53,737
And we want something
that's efficient and dynamic
820
00:33:53,837 --> 00:33:57,574
and allows us to exercise
our innovation and freedom.
821
00:33:57,674 --> 00:34:01,344
And we don't need to worry so
much about the labels as we do
822
00:34:01,444 --> 00:34:04,848
about being practical
and thinking about
823
00:34:04,948 --> 00:34:06,349
what's working and what isn't.
824
00:34:06,449 --> 00:34:09,753
And this is going back to
the information issues.
825
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:13,323
This is part of why, to me,
one of the biggest challenges
826
00:34:13,423 --> 00:34:16,526
to democracy is not just
the mechanics of elections
827
00:34:16,626 --> 00:34:19,529
or the independent judiciary.
828
00:34:19,629 --> 00:34:20,797
Those things are all important.
829
00:34:20,897 --> 00:34:24,701
But this is why this
information and media
830
00:34:24,801 --> 00:34:26,436
issue is so important.
831
00:34:26,536 --> 00:34:29,205
Because what we've seen
here in the United States
832
00:34:29,306 --> 00:34:34,544
and elsewhere is a
abandonment of a commitment
833
00:34:34,644 --> 00:34:41,618
to facts and reason and logic
and stuff that is useful.
834
00:34:42,619 --> 00:34:44,254
[laughter]
And--
835
00:34:44,354 --> 00:34:45,255
Some would say necessary.
836
00:34:45,355 --> 00:34:47,223
Necessary.
837
00:34:47,324 --> 00:34:50,527
And if we can't have a
debate based on facts,
838
00:34:50,627 --> 00:34:54,964
then we can't get to
better solutions, right?
839
00:34:55,065 --> 00:34:57,968
We start talking in
slogans and nonsense.
840
00:34:58,068 --> 00:35:00,270
And there's no reality check.
841
00:35:00,370 --> 00:35:01,638
We just make stuff up.
842
00:35:01,738 --> 00:35:03,206
I didn't lose an election.
843
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,976
You know, there's something
broken over there.
844
00:35:06,076 --> 00:35:09,245
And it doesn't-- and
it's impervious to facts.
845
00:35:09,346 --> 00:35:11,915
So part of what I think--
846
00:35:12,015 --> 00:35:13,817
why I've been spending
a lot of time thinking
847
00:35:13,917 --> 00:35:17,954
about this disinformation
issue is how do we--
848
00:35:18,054 --> 00:35:24,027
in how we teach our kids in
either industry standards
849
00:35:24,127 --> 00:35:28,064
and/or regulation of these
social media platforms--
850
00:35:28,231 --> 00:35:32,469
how do we get back to the point
where you can have opinions--
851
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:38,908
we all do-- but facts
matter, and proof matters?
852
00:35:39,009 --> 00:35:43,480
And our capacity to debate
and say, you know what?
853
00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:46,549
If we do things this way,
it might work better.
854
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:50,854
And then you may
disagree, but at least we
855
00:35:50,954 --> 00:35:52,822
agree to a set of
rules whereby we can
856
00:35:52,922 --> 00:35:54,224
arrive at a better solution.
857
00:35:54,324 --> 00:35:56,192
TREVOR NOAH: Do you think it's
possible to get to that place
858
00:35:56,226 --> 00:35:58,194
when almost half-- let's just
talk about the United States--
859
00:35:58,228 --> 00:35:59,429
where almost half
the country says,
860
00:35:59,529 --> 00:36:00,497
well, what are those rules?
861
00:36:00,597 --> 00:36:01,698
And why are you
even deciding them?
862
00:36:01,798 --> 00:36:04,067
And why are we having
this conversation?
863
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,268
You are not even a fact.
864
00:36:05,368 --> 00:36:06,703
How do you-- I
honestly mean, how
865
00:36:06,803 --> 00:36:09,939
do you get to that
place with people
866
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,341
where you can agree a little?
867
00:36:11,441 --> 00:36:15,245
The interesting thing is even
in those places that are just
868
00:36:15,345 --> 00:36:21,818
inundated with what I consider
to be nonsense and lies
869
00:36:21,918 --> 00:36:28,792
and distortions, when people
operate in their own lives,
870
00:36:28,892 --> 00:36:30,627
they're still operating
on facts, right?
871
00:36:30,727 --> 00:36:35,432
On their jobs, when they're
coaching their kid's
872
00:36:35,532 --> 00:36:38,702
little league or their
soccer game or football game,
873
00:36:38,802 --> 00:36:41,271
they don't let the ref
just kind of say, ah,
874
00:36:41,371 --> 00:36:42,872
you know what?
875
00:36:42,973 --> 00:36:44,074
This time, we're
just going to get
876
00:36:44,174 --> 00:36:45,775
5 points for the touchdown.
877
00:36:45,875 --> 00:36:48,244
It's like, wait, wait, wait.
878
00:36:48,345 --> 00:36:50,580
Folks on the
sidelines say, nope,
879
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,048
it's 6 points for
the touchdown,
880
00:36:52,182 --> 00:36:53,350
and then you get
the extra point.
881
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:58,822
And so we abide by all kinds
of facts in our own lives.
882
00:36:58,922 --> 00:37:03,793
It's just this national story
that is being told where
883
00:37:03,893 --> 00:37:06,196
we allow lies to be told.
884
00:37:06,229 --> 00:37:10,233
And we accept them mainly
because it turns out
885
00:37:10,333 --> 00:37:11,801
that when we tell a story
about the other side,
886
00:37:11,901 --> 00:37:12,936
it makes us feel better.
887
00:37:13,036 --> 00:37:15,939
It's like, ah, you know,
Trevor, he's a jackass.
888
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:17,440
You should see--
889
00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:19,576
I don't know it has to
be me who's the example.
890
00:37:19,676 --> 00:37:20,944
Well, you happen
to be sitting there.
891
00:37:21,044 --> 00:37:22,846
I mean-- [laughs]
892
00:37:22,946 --> 00:37:26,883
And so we enjoy the
performative aspects
893
00:37:26,983 --> 00:37:30,153
of making stuff up.
894
00:37:30,253 --> 00:37:32,622
And part of that is
because we don't think
895
00:37:32,722 --> 00:37:34,057
there are consequences to it.
896
00:37:34,157 --> 00:37:40,030
Now what we learned from the
election of my successor,
897
00:37:40,163 --> 00:37:43,400
from the pandemic, from
the insurrection, is,
898
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,568
actually, the stories
we tell do matter.
899
00:37:45,669 --> 00:37:52,008
And having some baseline of
sticking to the truth when
900
00:37:52,175 --> 00:37:57,180
you're telling stories about
our country, about policy,
901
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,418
but also about the other
side, that matters.
902
00:38:01,518 --> 00:38:04,354
And I like to think
that part of what
903
00:38:04,454 --> 00:38:06,289
happened in this
election is people said,
904
00:38:06,389 --> 00:38:08,091
OK, you know what?
905
00:38:08,191 --> 00:38:10,460
Some of this stuff's
getting a little too crazy.
906
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,199
It turns out that there is
a majority of country that
907
00:38:16,232 --> 00:38:20,070
does prefer normal, not crazy.
908
00:38:20,203 --> 00:38:23,606
And that's a basis for hope.
909
00:38:23,707 --> 00:38:26,009
[cheering]
910
00:38:26,109 --> 00:38:27,677
I could talk to you
for hours about this.
911
00:38:27,777 --> 00:38:29,479
I know you don't have the time.
912
00:38:29,579 --> 00:38:31,448
It has been wonderful
having you here though.
913
00:38:31,548 --> 00:38:33,783
It's also been wonderful seeing
what you're getting up to.
914
00:38:33,883 --> 00:38:37,020
Because after I had the
pleasure of interviewing you
915
00:38:37,153 --> 00:38:38,355
at the White House
just before you left,
916
00:38:38,455 --> 00:38:40,890
and then afterwards I
saw you kite surfing.
917
00:38:40,991 --> 00:38:43,927
And I loved it.
918
00:38:44,027 --> 00:38:45,929
I loved it, by the way.
919
00:38:46,029 --> 00:38:46,963
Great technique.
920
00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:50,533
But I often wonder,
like, what is Mr.
921
00:38:50,634 --> 00:38:51,668
President going to do next?
922
00:38:51,768 --> 00:38:53,069
Where does he go?
923
00:38:53,169 --> 00:38:55,205
And you started producing shows
about issues around the world.
924
00:38:55,305 --> 00:38:56,806
And now you've got this forum.
925
00:38:56,906 --> 00:39:01,044
I wondered if maybe you have
any tips for me as-- you know?
926
00:39:01,177 --> 00:39:02,045
Well--
927
00:39:02,178 --> 00:39:03,413
Because, I mean,
you and I, like,
928
00:39:03,513 --> 00:39:04,848
we're basically the same.
- We're the same.
929
00:39:04,948 --> 00:39:05,849
We're basically the same.
930
00:39:05,949 --> 00:39:06,950
You know, it's--
931
00:39:07,050 --> 00:39:08,451
You know, I think--
932
00:39:08,551 --> 00:39:13,823
[cheering]
933
00:39:13,923 --> 00:39:17,460
I think you're going
to have to really focus
934
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,032
on relearning things
like driving, pressing
935
00:39:22,198 --> 00:39:24,968
your own elevator buttons.
936
00:39:25,068 --> 00:39:27,103
I think you have different
ideas what was my job is
937
00:39:27,203 --> 00:39:28,371
and what your job is.
938
00:39:28,471 --> 00:39:30,407
When was the last time you
were at the dry cleaners?
939
00:39:30,507 --> 00:39:31,508
I was actually
on 53rd Street.
940
00:39:31,608 --> 00:39:32,642
Has it been--
OK.
941
00:39:32,742 --> 00:39:33,643
That's where I go.
I take it myself.
942
00:39:33,743 --> 00:39:34,644
Yeah.
943
00:39:34,744 --> 00:39:36,680
Yeah, we are very-- you--
944
00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:38,882
like, you're very like,
[grunts] you know?
945
00:39:38,982 --> 00:39:41,351
Like I said, you're
Mr. President forever.
946
00:39:41,451 --> 00:39:42,652
You have Secret
Service forever.
947
00:39:42,752 --> 00:39:43,653
That's correct, right?
948
00:39:43,753 --> 00:39:45,522
I do, and it--
949
00:39:45,622 --> 00:39:47,724
I barely get to keep
my hoodies after this.
950
00:39:47,824 --> 00:39:48,725
I--
951
00:39:48,825 --> 00:39:50,560
[laughter]
952
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:53,830
I still am in a bubble.
953
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:56,032
I thought I could escape it.
954
00:39:56,166 --> 00:39:58,001
Quick story since
we're in New York,
955
00:39:58,168 --> 00:40:00,303
I used to say,
oh, you know what?
956
00:40:00,403 --> 00:40:02,906
Once I get out of here, I'm
going to just be able to,
957
00:40:03,006 --> 00:40:04,307
like, walk through
Central Park, and--
958
00:40:04,407 --> 00:40:05,308
TREVOR NOAH: Oh, wow.
959
00:40:05,408 --> 00:40:07,043
--it's going to--
and I'll just put,
960
00:40:07,177 --> 00:40:09,646
like, on a baseball cap,
and it's going to be fine.
961
00:40:09,746 --> 00:40:12,048
And Michelle's all
like, yeah, OK.
962
00:40:12,182 --> 00:40:13,249
[laughs]
963
00:40:13,350 --> 00:40:14,584
Good luck with that.
964
00:40:14,684 --> 00:40:19,956
And the first time I tried
it, I got, like, half a block.
965
00:40:20,056 --> 00:40:21,291
[laughter]
966
00:40:21,391 --> 00:40:24,427
And then, suddenly,
there was this swarm,
967
00:40:24,527 --> 00:40:27,964
and there's phones
and traffic stopping.
968
00:40:28,064 --> 00:40:30,367
And it didn't work.
969
00:40:30,467 --> 00:40:33,503
[laughter]
970
00:40:33,603 --> 00:40:39,042
So, you know, I guess
what I would say,
971
00:40:39,142 --> 00:40:42,545
though, is that you
will be missed here.
972
00:40:42,646 --> 00:40:43,880
But--
973
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:50,553
[cheering]
974
00:40:51,554 --> 00:40:53,256
But we were talking backstage.
975
00:40:53,356 --> 00:40:55,458
You're already following
one piece of advice
976
00:40:55,558 --> 00:40:58,328
that I would have is leave when
your poll numbers are high.
977
00:40:58,428 --> 00:41:00,230
[laughter]
978
00:41:00,330 --> 00:41:02,132
That's how they'll
remember you.
979
00:41:02,232 --> 00:41:03,133
So--
980
00:41:03,233 --> 00:41:04,968
I'm actually--
yeah, I'm excited.
981
00:41:05,068 --> 00:41:06,136
I'm going to go on the road.
982
00:41:06,236 --> 00:41:07,170
Yes.
983
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:08,538
I mean, I've said
this to you before.
984
00:41:08,638 --> 00:41:09,806
Yeah.
985
00:41:09,906 --> 00:41:11,274
You know, whether it's the
White House Correspondents
986
00:41:11,374 --> 00:41:12,876
Dinner, in Georgia when
you're doing the speech,
987
00:41:12,976 --> 00:41:14,210
you're a very funny guy.
988
00:41:14,311 --> 00:41:15,312
So you want me
to open for you.
989
00:41:15,412 --> 00:41:17,113
[cheering]
990
00:41:17,213 --> 00:41:19,316
I've got some
shows in Chicago.
991
00:41:19,416 --> 00:41:20,950
You know what?
Not even open.
992
00:41:21,051 --> 00:41:21,951
I wouldn't dare.
993
00:41:22,052 --> 00:41:23,286
We could co-- you know?
994
00:41:23,386 --> 00:41:24,521
You can't open for me.
995
00:41:24,621 --> 00:41:25,588
You're still Mr. President.
996
00:41:25,689 --> 00:41:26,923
- Banter.
- We just do like a--
997
00:41:27,023 --> 00:41:28,625
Just banter.
Do a little banter.
998
00:41:28,725 --> 00:41:30,360
Yeah, the coheadlining
tour, you know what I mean?
999
00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:31,628
We'll call it Half and Half.
1000
00:41:31,728 --> 00:41:32,629
You know what I mean?
1001
00:41:32,729 --> 00:41:33,963
[cheering]
1002
00:41:34,064 --> 00:41:35,198
[laughs]
1003
00:41:35,231 --> 00:41:36,666
- I like that.
- We could do it.
1004
00:41:36,766 --> 00:41:37,667
- We can do it.
- We'll talk.
1005
00:41:37,767 --> 00:41:38,935
We'll get our
people in contact.
1006
00:41:39,035 --> 00:41:40,570
President Barack
Obama, everybody.
1007
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:41,871
We're going to
take a quick break.
1008
00:41:41,972 --> 00:41:43,840
But we'll be right
back after this.
1009
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:46,343
[cheering]
1010
00:41:46,443 --> 00:41:48,345
Thank you so much.
1011
00:41:58,621 --> 00:41:59,455
[audience cheers]
1012
00:41:59,555 --> 00:42:00,389
Well that's our
show for tonight.
1013
00:42:00,489 --> 00:42:01,190
Thank you so much
for tuning in.
1014
00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:02,258
Charlemagne is up next.
1015
00:42:02,358 --> 00:42:04,360
Now here it is,
your moment of zen.
1016
00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:06,795
Good morning, Cecilia.
1017
00:42:06,896 --> 00:42:08,597
Yeah, I got the good
assignment this morning.
1018
00:42:08,697 --> 00:42:10,032
Listen to these guys.
1019
00:42:10,132 --> 00:42:11,200
[claps]
1020
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:14,136
They are not happy with you.