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Tonight, chat bots are
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What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to The Daily Show.
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I'm Trevor Noah.
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Take a seat, everybody.
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We have got a great
show for you tonight.
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Donald Trump is now beefing
with the Constitution.
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Dulcé Sloan gets into drag.
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And artificial intelligence
could replace us all.
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Or has it already?
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So let's do this, people.
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Let's jump straight
into today's headlines.
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Before we get into
the big stories,
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let's catch up on a few other
things going on in the world,
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starting with the World Cup.
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On Saturday, the world's
biggest sporting event
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kicked off the round of 16 with
the Netherlands scoring yet
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another victory and
the United States
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learning firsthand why they
call it the knockout stages.
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And this was especially
humiliating for the US
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because the Dutch team plays
in those little, wooden
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shoes, so--
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but don't be sad.
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Don't be sad.
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The good news for
America is the next World
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Cup will be in the US.
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Which means-- which
means all the players
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will be allowed to use guns.
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Don't worry.
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Don't worry.
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They can't use their
hands to shoot them.
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Should be interesting.
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In international news,
after months of protests
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over its strict
hijab laws, Iran
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is reportedly
considering abolishing
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its infamous morality police.
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That's right.
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And if that happened,
it would be wild.
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Iran might defund the
police before Milwaukee.
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Speaking of morality
police, some news
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out of the US Supreme Court.
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This morning the
justices heard arguments
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on whether a Colorado-based web
designer can refuse to build
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websites for gay
weddings, which she says
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violates her religious beliefs.
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And I'm sorry, but what is
this web designer's process
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that making a wedding
website violates
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her religious beliefs?
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It's just like, OK, I'm adding
your hotel block info, time
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and date of
ceremony, a hardcore
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video of the two of you
[bleep] each other, and done.
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Out of here, man.
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All right, let's
move on to some
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of the biggest stories of the
day, starting with Twitter.
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It's what Elon Musk bought
for his midlife crisis
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instead of a Lamborghini.
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Over the weekend, Elon released
the so-called Twitter files,
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which many
conservatives had hoped
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would prove that Twitter
colluded with Democrats
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to censor news about
Hunter Biden's laptop
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during the 2020 election.
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Instead, they mostly
just showed the Biden
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campaign asking
Twitter to take down
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nude photos of Hunter Biden.
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So, yeah, sorry, everyone.
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If you want to
see naked people,
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you've got to go to every
other website on the internet,
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I guess.
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So the Twitter files turned
out to be a major letdown
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for conservatives.
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Right?
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There was no proof
of a conspiracy
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to help defeat Donald Trump.
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But you know who doesn't
care about any of that?
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Donald Trump.
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Former President Donald
Trump's false claims
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about the 2020
election now have
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him calling for the
Constitution to be terminated.
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"With the revelation of
massive and widespread fraud
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and deception in working
closely with big tech
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companies, the DNC, and
the Democratic Party,
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do you throw the presidential
election results of 2020
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out and declare the
rightful winner,
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or do you have a new election?
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A massive fraud of
this type and magnitude
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allows for the
termination of all rules,
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regulations, and
articles, even those
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found in the Constitution."
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Yeah, that's right.
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The Republican frontrunner for
president of the United States
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wants to terminate
the Constitution
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because Twitter
wouldn't allow him
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to see Hunter Biden's dick.
Yeah.
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[laughter]
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He's like, (IMITATING TRUMP)
I want to see the peepee.
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I want to see it.
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I want to see what
I'm dealing with.
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If you want to see
Hunter Biden's dick,
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just get a bag of cocaine like
everyone else, Mr. President.
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Also, why is this still news?
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Can anyone tell me?
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Like, why is this
still even a headline?
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Donald Trump thinks this
undermines the election.
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He thinks that
about everything--
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everything.
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However the math
equation starts,
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his answer is always the same.
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Doesn't matter where--
it's like a waiter could
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come up like, I'm sorry, sir.
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The kitchen says we've
run out of the Mickey
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Mouse pancakes. (IMITATING
TRUMP) This is the last straw.
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We need to redo the election.
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We do have the Donald Duck
waffles. (IMITATING TRUMP)
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It's too late.
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I'm storming the Capitol.
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I'll have those to go, please.
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And, look, I get that
Trump doesn't like to lose.
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But, my man, 2020 is over.
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You've got to move on.
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Trump is like one of those
guys who never stops trying
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to get back with his ex.
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Like, he's texting her years
later like, hey, you up?
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And she's like, yeah, I'm up
with my kids from my marriage.
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Like, oh, still
playing hard to get.
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I like that.
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I like that.
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But, honestly,
though, what a start
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to the Trump 2024 campaign.
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First, he had dinner
with Nazi lovers.
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Now he's calling to
scrap the Constitution.
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What's next?
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Is he going to give the Lincoln
Memorial enormous boobs,
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and still the GOP is going
to come out like, (IMITATING
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MCCONNELL) well,
I personally would
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have gone with a
tasteful B cup,
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but I think President Trump's
heart is in the right place.
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Mah.
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But enough of Trump
and his craziness.
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Let's calm things down with
a news story out of Tampa,
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Florida, where we finally
found the answer to the quantum
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physics paradox, what happens
when a police officer pulls
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over the chief of police?
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Tampa's top cop has been
placed on administrative leave
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after she flashed
her badge, apparently
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using her status
as police chief
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to get out of a traffic stop.
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After the deputy proceeds to
explain to them why they were
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being pulled over,
which, by the way,
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was because they were driving
a golf cart on a public road
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without the appropriate
tags, this happened.
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Is your camera on?
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OFFICER: It is.
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I'm the police
chief in Tampa.
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OFFICER: Oh, how you doing?
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I'm doing good.
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OFFICER: OK.
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I'm hoping that you'll
just let us go tonight.
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OFFICER: Oh, OK, yeah.
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All right, folks.
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Well, have a good night.
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Oh, all right.
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You ever need
anything-- call me.
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OFFICER: OK.
- Serious.
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OFFICER: All right,
appreciate that.
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Thank you.
OFFICER: Yes, ma'am.
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You're welcome.
So--
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Thank you for your service.
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Oh.
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[laughs] You know, I don't know
what's funnier in that video.
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First of all-- first
of all, I think
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it's crazy that she
asks if the officer's
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body cam is on before
incriminating herself.
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[laughter]
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Because what was she going to
do if the body camera was off?
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Oh, it's not recording.
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Quick, Doug, whap
him over the head!
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Let's get out of here!
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Just hit him!
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And, secondly, I love
how she does that thing.
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Like, if you notice
it, she does that thing
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that white people do, where
they act like it hurts
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them to pull rank over you.
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She's like, do you know,
turns out I'm the--
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I'm the chief of police.
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[laughter]
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Yeah, that's--
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[applause]
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I-- I didn't want to
bring it up, but I am.
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White people love
doing that shit!
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Yeah, they'll be
at a hotel like,
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can I get a late
checkout from my room?
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Be like, I'm sorry, sir.
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We can't accommodate you.
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Oh, but I do own the hotel.
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Yeah, I'm Brad Radisson.
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Yeah.
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Ah.
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That's what I love
about Black people.
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There's no pretending.
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Black people aren't
pretending that it pains them
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to wield their power over you.
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They'll just tell you.
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Be like, sorry, sir, we can't
do a late checkout for you.
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Like, late check
out for me, bitch.
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I own this hotel!
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Shit, I check out when I want.
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You don't tell DaQuan
Radisson when he can
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check out of his own hotel!
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I'll tell you,
you can check out.
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Now, after this video came
out, the mayor of Tampa
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suspended this police chief.
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And because of the pressure,
she was forced to resign,
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which, can I just say,
is the biggest waste
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of a scandal of all time.
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This is what you used your
pow-- you realize there are
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police chiefs who
have stolen millions
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of dollars in drug money.
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Meanwhile, she's out here like,
yeah I pulled some strings
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and drove super
slow on the highway.
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[laughter]
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But enough about that.
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Let's move on to a story
that had the internet
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buzzing all weekend.
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And it's about artificial
intelligence, which,
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by the way, is not
when you regurgitate
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an Atlantic article
and act like you
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thought of it for yourself.
No.
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For years, people have been
wondering when we would see
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the next step in natural
language processing
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from the world of AI.
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And it looks like the
future is already here.
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REPORTER: A new
artificial intelligence
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is astounding the
internet with its ease
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of use and human-like
writing ability.
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ChatGPT was opened to
the public last weekend.
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And many have already
posted their interactions
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with the bot.
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So far, it's written television
scripts, fixed coding errors,
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and even explained
scientific concepts
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in the voice of a pirate.
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Yeah, that's right.
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For years, people
have been saying,
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robots might be
able to pack boxes,
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but they will never
be able to write
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a poem like human beings.
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Well, it turns out your shitty
poetry has some competition.
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Because I don't
know if you've used
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this chat bot,
but it is insane.
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Not only can it understand
a question you're asking,
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and then teach you about the
most complicated topics--
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it can design a lesson plan.
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It can give you
the information.
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And it's not regurgitating it.
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It's explaining it to you.
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It can also write
out the answers as
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if a pirate was teaching you.
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You understand how
amazing that is?
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Like, quantum physics is one,
but a pirate on top of that.
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Like, I wish I had this
technology as a kid.
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The only reason I
failed any subject
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is because the
teacher was boring.
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But if Blackbeard was
teaching me about physics,
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I would have remembered
everything. (IMITATING PIRATE)
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Yar, light operates as
both a wave and a particle
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the same way you can operate
as both a human and fish food.
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Walk the plank!
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Mah!
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[shouts] Don't forget
to do your homework.
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[applause]
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Obviously--
obviously-- obviously,
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this technology has a
lot of people asking,
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is this going to replace
my job as a teacher
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or as a receptionist,
journalist, or even an author?
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And the truth is we
don't really know.
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But it is interesting to
see how our fears about AI
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have shifted radically
over the years.
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Right?
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In the '80s and the '90s, we
thought that in the future,
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people would be like,
these damn machines
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are wiping out the human race!
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And now our fear is
that, in the future,
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we're going to be like, these
damn machines keep writing
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love letters to my wife!
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She's going to leave me!
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And you've got to admit--
you've got to admit it's weird
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that we are this obsessed with
robots talking like humans,
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but we all hate talking
to actual humans.
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Right?
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Like, everyone's
using this like, wow,
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it's like I'm
talking to my mom.
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It's like, hey,
your mom's actually
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calling you right now.
Ah, let it go to voicemail.
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Let it go to voicemail.
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Ask it if it's proud of me.
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All right, that's it
for the headlines.
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But before we go
to break, it's time
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to check in on all the
latest social media trends
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with our very own Ronny
Chieng, everybody.
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[cheering]
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Thanks, Trevor.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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TREVOR NOAH: What
is happening online?
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Well, I've been
poring through tweets,
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Instagrams, OnlyFans, TikToks,
Snapchats, OnlyFans, 4Chans,
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mastodons, OnlyFans again.
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And now I'm mentally ill.
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Here's what's trending,
the World Cup,
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where for 90 minutes,
two countries
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can put politics aside
and hate each other
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based on pure ethnicity.
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Today Croatia beat
Japan, and Brazil
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knocked South Korea out.
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And the thing
about the World Cup
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is that when you come
from a country like me,
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Malaysia, that's never in
the World Cup, all you can do
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is cheer for people who
look a little bit like you--
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Japan, Korea.
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And then when they
got eliminated,
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you just cheer for whoever
is not white, so France.
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[cheering]
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But the big story of
the day, as you said,
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was the AI chatbot, the [bleep]
Charles Dickens robot trying
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to make Siri look illiterate.
344
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Personally, I don't
like this bot, OK?
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Because every time you ask
it a question, it cranks
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out a 10,000-word think piece.
347
00:13:02,049 --> 00:13:02,883
Relax.
348
00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:04,651
We got enough humans
with opinions.
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I don't need my
Roomba to develop
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a hot take on anti-Semitism.
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[laughter]
352
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And, by the way, did I miss
an update or something?
353
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Because we got robots
writing sonnets here.
354
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But every time I call
Verizon, that robot can't
355
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even recognize me saying yes.
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[laughter]
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OK?
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So let's bring back
the picture AI.
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Bring back that one.
360
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That one was cool.
361
00:13:27,174 --> 00:13:29,343
They were putting
Drake in The Matrix.
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Now that was useful, all right?
363
00:13:31,812 --> 00:13:33,146
And if you don't
recognize this,
364
00:13:33,247 --> 00:13:34,715
that means that you're
not on Black Twitter
365
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enough because that
shit was popping.
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All right?
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00:13:37,518 --> 00:13:39,453
Follow me @StirFryHoTap.
368
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[laughter]
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And, by the way--
370
00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:44,124
this joke for the Black people.
371
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And, by the way, I
know you're saying
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this AI is going to take
over a lot of jobs, OK?
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And maybe it will.
374
00:13:51,365 --> 00:13:54,434
But I'm not worried about
it taking over comedy jobs.
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Because AI can't do
what we do, all right?
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AI doesn't have the
emotion, the artistry,
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00:14:00,374 --> 00:14:04,611
or the fundamental ability
to get hit in the balls.
378
00:14:04,711 --> 00:14:07,681
And, as we know, nothing
is as funny as getting hit
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in the balls.
380
00:14:09,183 --> 00:14:13,053
I mean, the magic of what we do
is not a mathematical equation
381
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that can--
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00:14:14,154 --> 00:14:15,055
ow!
383
00:14:15,155 --> 00:14:16,256
Ow!
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00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:17,724
Ow!
385
00:14:17,824 --> 00:14:19,760
You see that?
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00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:22,796
You see that, Trevor?
387
00:14:22,896 --> 00:14:25,632
You see how funny that was?
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00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:28,602
An AI bot can never do that.
389
00:14:28,702 --> 00:14:31,305
So you can kiss my ass, R2-D2.
390
00:14:31,405 --> 00:14:33,974
[laughter]
391
00:14:34,074 --> 00:14:35,876
Everyone's so excited
about this thing.
392
00:14:35,976 --> 00:14:38,445
I mean, look-- look at what
people are tweeting about it.
393
00:14:38,545 --> 00:14:40,714
I mean, just look at this guy.
394
00:14:40,814 --> 00:14:42,082
Look at this idiot.
395
00:14:42,149 --> 00:14:46,186
Oh, AI is the future.
396
00:14:46,286 --> 00:14:48,155
Oh, wow, what a genius.
397
00:14:48,255 --> 00:14:49,656
Did this guy go to MIT?
398
00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:51,558
I mean, what's he
going to predict
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00:14:51,658 --> 00:14:54,728
next-- that Apple will come up
with a new iPhone next year?
400
00:14:54,828 --> 00:14:57,764
I mean, I hope this guy is
a bot because no human would
401
00:14:57,865 --> 00:14:59,266
write anything that stupid.
402
00:14:59,366 --> 00:15:00,868
[laughter]
403
00:15:01,034 --> 00:15:04,671
Anyway, Trevor,
I got to go meet
404
00:15:04,771 --> 00:15:07,708
this really hot woman online.
405
00:15:07,808 --> 00:15:09,676
She really likes me,
and she's smart as hell.
406
00:15:09,776 --> 00:15:11,044
And she talks like a pirate.
407
00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:13,046
So I'll see you later, loser.
408
00:15:13,146 --> 00:15:15,048
Well, good luck
with that, Ronny.
409
00:15:15,082 --> 00:15:16,450
She sounds like real fun.
410
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:18,652
All right, when we come
back, Dulcé Sloan is going
411
00:15:18,752 --> 00:15:20,320
to school all of us on drag.
412
00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:21,622
So don't go away.
413
00:15:21,722 --> 00:15:28,729
[cheering]
414
00:15:30,063 --> 00:15:32,833
[music playing]
415
00:15:32,933 --> 00:15:35,736
Please, do not try this if
you have African parents.
416
00:15:35,836 --> 00:15:37,070
[laughter]
417
00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:40,073
Yeah, because you'll be
like, I faked my kidnapping.
418
00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:43,076
And they'll be like, but your
funeral will be real, eh?
419
00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:46,113
If you told an African
parent that you won't swim
420
00:15:46,213 --> 00:15:48,582
without a lifeguard,
they'll be like, eh, do you
421
00:15:48,682 --> 00:15:49,683
know who is your lifeguard?
422
00:15:49,783 --> 00:15:50,684
Jesus.
423
00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:51,885
[blows kiss]
424
00:15:51,985 --> 00:15:55,622
But an African mother, if
she's mad, you know it.
425
00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:57,958
She'll be like, I will
show you how much I love
426
00:15:58,091 --> 00:15:59,760
you with how hard I spank you.
427
00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:02,062
140 pounds, have you eaten?
428
00:16:02,162 --> 00:16:03,830
Have you eaten in
your life, huh?
429
00:16:03,931 --> 00:16:04,831
Are you not married?
430
00:16:04,932 --> 00:16:05,933
Go back to the food court.
431
00:16:06,033 --> 00:16:07,334
Go back to the--
look at this one.
432
00:16:07,434 --> 00:16:10,237
Yes, yes, we are just one big
country full of giraffes, huh?
433
00:16:10,337 --> 00:16:12,406
Can you come and
pick this up for me?
434
00:16:12,506 --> 00:16:14,441
And she'd be like, are
you-- are you being serious
435
00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:16,243
right now?
436
00:16:16,343 --> 00:16:17,744
Are you telling me
to pick up-- well,
437
00:16:17,845 --> 00:16:22,182
I am the-- there is only one
king, and that is Jesus, huh?
438
00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:25,385
There is only one king in
this world, and that is Jesus!
439
00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:26,854
You pick up that paper.
440
00:16:26,954 --> 00:16:28,856
You pick up that
paper now, Charles.
441
00:16:28,956 --> 00:16:31,892
[music playing]
442
00:16:33,392 --> 00:16:39,832
[cheering]
443
00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:42,968
Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
444
00:16:43,068 --> 00:16:46,672
Drag shows are going through
a tumultuous time in America.
445
00:16:46,772 --> 00:16:49,074
On the one hand, it's
never been more popular.
446
00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:51,410
But, on the other hand,
it's become the targets
447
00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:53,846
of huge right-wing
backlash as we
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00:16:53,946 --> 00:16:56,348
saw just this weekend in Ohio.
449
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REPORTER:
Demonstrators protested
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00:16:57,817 --> 00:17:01,053
a drag storytelling event
in Ohio over the weekend.
451
00:17:01,153 --> 00:17:03,022
It was supposed to
take place at a church,
452
00:17:03,122 --> 00:17:05,424
but was canceled because
of safety concerns,
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00:17:05,524 --> 00:17:08,227
while several dozen members
of the far-right Proud Boys
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00:17:08,327 --> 00:17:10,563
and Patriot Front
stood along the roads,
455
00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:12,765
touting guns and face masks.
456
00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:14,633
Some chanted, reclaim America.
457
00:17:14,733 --> 00:17:16,802
Others gave a Nazi salute.
458
00:17:16,902 --> 00:17:20,639
You know, I don't know
if it's a chemical reaction
459
00:17:20,739 --> 00:17:22,108
or a genetic predisposition.
460
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:26,112
But any time a white man covers
his face in white fabric,
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00:17:26,212 --> 00:17:29,048
ain't no good
coming after that.
462
00:17:29,148 --> 00:17:30,950
Because all over America, more
and more stories like this
463
00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:32,051
are popping up, right?
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00:17:32,151 --> 00:17:34,553
Where grown men are
showing up to drag shows
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00:17:34,653 --> 00:17:37,189
to fight the tyranny
of people wearing
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00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:38,891
dresses and having fun?
467
00:17:38,991 --> 00:17:40,993
Which you've got to admit is
a little ironic, isn't it?
468
00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:42,461
Yeah, just these guys
running around angry
469
00:17:42,561 --> 00:17:44,263
like, these grown
men dressing up
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00:17:44,363 --> 00:17:48,033
in these ridiculous
costumes, it's not right!
471
00:17:48,134 --> 00:17:49,568
Are you in the military, sir?
472
00:17:49,668 --> 00:17:52,271
Uh, no, but the character I
roleplay as is a Navy SEAL.
473
00:17:52,371 --> 00:17:53,506
Yeah, do you like it?
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00:17:53,606 --> 00:17:55,007
Do you like it?
475
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,778
[cheering]
476
00:17:58,878 --> 00:18:01,814
And conservatives will
give different reasons
477
00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:03,849
for why drag must be stopped.
478
00:18:04,016 --> 00:18:05,317
You know, some
say it's immoral.
479
00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:07,319
Some say that it
sexualizes kids.
480
00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:10,089
Some say that Monét X
Change should have won
481
00:18:10,189 --> 00:18:12,224
season 7 of All-Stars
, and they'll never
482
00:18:12,324 --> 00:18:13,559
forgive RuPaul for that.
483
00:18:13,659 --> 00:18:15,494
[cheering]
484
00:18:15,594 --> 00:18:20,099
But, if you ask us, this just
shows how little conservatives
485
00:18:20,199 --> 00:18:21,434
know about drag.
486
00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:25,337
So here to educate all of us
is our very own Dulcé Sloan.
487
00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:31,577
[music playing]
488
00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:33,579
Drag dates all the
way back to the world's
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00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:35,214
most ancient civilizations.
490
00:18:35,314 --> 00:18:38,818
I'm talking the Incas, the
Aztecs, the Egyptians. ,
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00:18:38,984 --> 00:18:40,886
Basically anyone that
could build a pyramid
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00:18:40,986 --> 00:18:42,354
also had a fierce walk.
493
00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:44,857
I mean, why do you
think every man,
494
00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:48,894
woman, and eagle in ancient
Egyptian art had a smoky eye?
495
00:18:48,994 --> 00:18:51,831
Now, drag was originally done
in these ancient civilizations
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00:18:51,997 --> 00:18:53,766
for tribal and
religious ceremonies.
497
00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:56,569
It's pretty much how priests
got started wearing mumus.
498
00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:58,571
It wasn't until
modern times that drag
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00:18:58,671 --> 00:19:00,406
played a role in
entertainment, and not
500
00:19:00,506 --> 00:19:01,740
just any entertainment.
501
00:19:01,841 --> 00:19:05,845
I'm talking about the bad bitch
Bard himself, Shakespeare.
502
00:19:06,011 --> 00:19:09,014
Back in his time, men dressed
in drag to play women's roles.
503
00:19:09,115 --> 00:19:11,584
Although that was really
less about drag and more
504
00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:13,085
about keeping women
out of acting.
505
00:19:13,185 --> 00:19:15,754
Methinks that doth be
some bullshit, Horatio.
506
00:19:15,855 --> 00:19:17,156
Mm-hmm.
507
00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:19,925
So for a long time, the stage
was pretty much the only place
508
00:19:20,025 --> 00:19:21,026
drag was acceptable.
509
00:19:21,127 --> 00:19:23,329
It wasn't until the
18th century in England
510
00:19:23,429 --> 00:19:25,765
that drag performers started
to express themselves
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00:19:25,865 --> 00:19:27,166
outside the theater.
512
00:19:27,266 --> 00:19:29,769
They met at private residences,
where they could safely dress
513
00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:31,303
as their female alter egos.
514
00:19:31,403 --> 00:19:33,973
And those places became
known as Molly houses.
515
00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:35,274
And it was at
these Molly houses
516
00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:36,976
where the first
prominent drag queen
517
00:19:37,042 --> 00:19:39,211
was born, Princess Seraphina.
518
00:19:39,311 --> 00:19:41,347
She was the first drag
queen to take her drag out
519
00:19:41,447 --> 00:19:42,848
of the privacy of
the Molly houses
520
00:19:42,982 --> 00:19:45,484
and into public events
like masquerade balls.
521
00:19:45,584 --> 00:19:47,253
And it was a big
deal and incredibly
522
00:19:47,353 --> 00:19:49,054
brave because it
meant volunteering
523
00:19:49,155 --> 00:19:50,389
to deal with catcalling.
524
00:19:50,489 --> 00:19:53,726
Now, while 18th century
England gave us drag queens,
525
00:19:53,826 --> 00:19:56,796
19th century America
gave us drag balls.
526
00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,198
It's the only time queens
colonized a country
527
00:19:59,298 --> 00:20:00,433
and made it better.
528
00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,635
One of the most famous drag
performers at that time
529
00:20:02,735 --> 00:20:04,837
was a former enslaved
African named William
530
00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:07,206
Dorsey "The Queen" Swann.
531
00:20:07,306 --> 00:20:10,142
Dorsey slayed so hard, he
went on to become a pioneer
532
00:20:10,242 --> 00:20:12,077
of modern ballroom culture.
533
00:20:12,178 --> 00:20:14,780
Now, there are no existing
photos of the queen herself,
534
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,816
because how dare you?
535
00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:18,617
She was too glamorous
to have her image
536
00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:19,819
captured by you peasants.
537
00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,053
No.
538
00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:23,189
But for reference, historians
believe her look was
539
00:20:23,289 --> 00:20:24,757
probably something like this.
540
00:20:24,857 --> 00:20:27,293
Now that is fashion.
541
00:20:27,393 --> 00:20:29,428
Come through, Bridgerton.
542
00:20:29,528 --> 00:20:32,832
America's drag balls brought
the culture to the next level.
543
00:20:32,965 --> 00:20:34,533
In Harlem, they
became so popular
544
00:20:34,633 --> 00:20:37,503
that men and women would
come from all over to present
545
00:20:37,603 --> 00:20:40,272
their looks to a panel
of judges, pageant style.
546
00:20:40,372 --> 00:20:41,574
And, you know,
there's something
547
00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:44,376
comforting in knowing that
even hundreds of years ago,
548
00:20:44,477 --> 00:20:46,445
people were telling
someone to their face
549
00:20:46,545 --> 00:20:48,981
that they were a messy
bitch whose outfit is trash.
550
00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,983
Oh, the circle of life.
551
00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:53,586
In the early 1900s, one
of the top drag performers
552
00:20:53,686 --> 00:20:56,088
was William Dalton, or
better known by his drag
553
00:20:56,188 --> 00:20:57,890
name, Julian Eltinge.
554
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:59,425
Damn, look at those outfits.
555
00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:01,060
They can play both
leads in Casablanca.
556
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,995
Just look how good
her makeup is.
557
00:21:03,028 --> 00:21:04,530
And that was before Wet n Wild.
558
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:07,199
She pulled that off with
house paint and beet juice.
559
00:21:07,299 --> 00:21:10,069
Julian was able to take
her drag mainstream
560
00:21:10,169 --> 00:21:12,271
by performing on
Broadway and even
561
00:21:12,371 --> 00:21:14,707
in front of King Edward VII.
562
00:21:14,807 --> 00:21:16,475
I mean, of course, he liked it.
563
00:21:16,575 --> 00:21:18,010
That duke could rock a cape.
564
00:21:18,077 --> 00:21:20,045
In fact, the king
was so impressed,
565
00:21:20,146 --> 00:21:23,349
he gifted Julian with a
bulldog, which, personally, I
566
00:21:23,449 --> 00:21:24,583
don't think is a great prize.
567
00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:26,385
I prefer trophies that don't
need to shit three times
568
00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:27,653
a day.
569
00:21:27,753 --> 00:21:30,890
Drag balls then exploded
throughout the 1920s and '30s.
570
00:21:31,023 --> 00:21:33,225
But like with most
things, popularity
571
00:21:33,325 --> 00:21:34,560
brings out the haters.
572
00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:37,696
Mainstream actors started
linking them to homosexuality.
573
00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:41,167
And soon masquerade laws
were passed, prohibiting
574
00:21:41,267 --> 00:21:42,701
cross-dressing in public.
575
00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:43,702
And you know what that meant.
576
00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:44,770
That's right.
577
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:47,973
The Harry Styles world
tour was canceled!
578
00:21:48,007 --> 00:21:49,041
[gasps]
579
00:21:49,141 --> 00:21:51,410
Due to these laws, drag
went underground again.
580
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:53,112
And it wasn't
until the late '80s
581
00:21:53,212 --> 00:21:55,080
that it returned
to the mainstream.
582
00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:58,384
But when it came back, oh,
it came back in a big way.
583
00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:01,387
Drag performers were featured
in major motion pictures,
584
00:22:01,487 --> 00:22:04,190
including one of the best known
sisters of the silver screen,
585
00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:07,226
Divine, who starred
in the movie Hairspray
586
00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:10,996
and was the inspiration for
the Disney character Ursula.
587
00:22:11,063 --> 00:22:12,264
Damn.
588
00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:15,835
Curvy, incredible singing
voice, and impeccable taste,
589
00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:17,570
are you sure we're
not talking about me?
590
00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:19,472
[music playing]
591
00:22:19,572 --> 00:22:22,141
Thanks to all these brave drag
performers, today we have hit
592
00:22:22,241 --> 00:22:23,609
shows featuring drag queens.
593
00:22:23,709 --> 00:22:25,244
And we have a
good reason to eat
594
00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,046
a meal as beautiful as brunch.
595
00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:29,014
So to all the
outrage conservatives
596
00:22:29,115 --> 00:22:32,485
trying to drag drag through
the mud, open a history book.
597
00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:35,821
Now I know you hate those,
but now they have pictures.
598
00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:39,458
[music playing]
599
00:22:39,558 --> 00:22:40,659
Thank you so much
for that Dulcé.
600
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,261
All right, stay tuned,
because when we come back,
601
00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:44,430
New York Times
bestselling author
602
00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:45,731
Tressie McMillan
Cottom will be joining
603
00:22:45,831 --> 00:22:47,733
me right here on the show.
You don't want to miss it.
604
00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:51,470
[cheering]
605
00:22:58,476 --> 00:23:03,381
[cheering]
606
00:23:03,481 --> 00:23:04,749
Welcome back to
The Daily Show.
607
00:23:04,849 --> 00:23:09,587
My guest tonight is a professor
at UNC Chapel Hill and a New
608
00:23:09,687 --> 00:23:10,622
York Times columnist.
609
00:23:10,722 --> 00:23:11,756
She's one of my
favorite guests,
610
00:23:11,856 --> 00:23:13,591
so I'm delighted to have
her back on the show.
611
00:23:13,691 --> 00:23:16,127
Please, welcome Tressie
McMillan Cottom.
612
00:23:16,227 --> 00:23:18,563
[music playing]
613
00:23:18,663 --> 00:23:25,670
[cheering]
614
00:23:34,612 --> 00:23:36,347
Tressie McMillan
Cottom, welcome
615
00:23:36,447 --> 00:23:37,348
back to The Daily Show.
616
00:23:37,448 --> 00:23:39,083
Welcome back to me, indeed.
617
00:23:39,184 --> 00:23:40,185
It's a pleasure to be back.
618
00:23:40,285 --> 00:23:41,586
TREVOR NOAH: Right,
or do I say professor?
619
00:23:41,686 --> 00:23:44,322
I would love to know what
you prefer because you have
620
00:23:44,422 --> 00:23:46,824
so many prestigious
titles with New
621
00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:49,761
York Times bestselling author,
or it could be professor.
622
00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:52,430
It could be MacArthur--
is it a Genius
623
00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:53,665
Grant that they give you?
624
00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:55,099
You can say that.
625
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,101
I think I'm not
supposed to say that.
626
00:23:57,202 --> 00:23:58,203
Oh.
627
00:23:58,303 --> 00:24:00,071
The foundation would
prefer not, but it's--
628
00:24:00,138 --> 00:24:01,372
- Oh, that's interesting.
- Yeah.
629
00:24:01,472 --> 00:24:03,408
So they say you're a genius,
but they're like, you're not
630
00:24:03,508 --> 00:24:04,709
allowed to say it of yourself.
631
00:24:04,809 --> 00:24:07,478
Exactly, kind of like your
mother tells you some things
632
00:24:07,579 --> 00:24:09,247
are best said about
you by others.
633
00:24:09,347 --> 00:24:10,248
I see.
634
00:24:10,348 --> 00:24:11,683
Oh, you're amazing,
but don't ever
635
00:24:11,783 --> 00:24:12,684
think that about yourself.
636
00:24:12,784 --> 00:24:13,918
Yeah.
637
00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:15,720
That's-- well-- well,
then I will say it to you--
638
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:17,255
the genius professor
that is Tressie.
639
00:24:17,355 --> 00:24:18,223
Welcome to the show.
640
00:24:18,323 --> 00:24:19,224
Thank you very much.
641
00:24:19,324 --> 00:24:22,527
[cheering]
642
00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:25,296
What a time to have
you on because there are
643
00:24:25,396 --> 00:24:27,899
few people who I've
enjoyed learning
644
00:24:27,999 --> 00:24:30,935
from, engaging with, studying.
645
00:24:31,102 --> 00:24:32,237
Because you're not
just a professor.
646
00:24:32,337 --> 00:24:33,304
You're a sociologist.
647
00:24:33,404 --> 00:24:34,539
You're somebody who
looks at the world.
648
00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:36,908
You study what has
happened, what is happening,
649
00:24:37,008 --> 00:24:39,143
and how you think it will
happen going forward.
650
00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:41,779
And right now feels
like an interesting time
651
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,382
of everything that's going on.
652
00:24:44,482 --> 00:24:46,518
Let's start with one of
our favorite platforms
653
00:24:46,618 --> 00:24:49,320
that we chat on all
the time, Twitter.
654
00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:52,524
It's been a really interesting
time on Twitter right now.
655
00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:53,791
Yes, that's an
understatement.
656
00:24:53,892 --> 00:24:55,260
I try.
I try.
657
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,361
- Yes.
- I specialize in those.
658
00:24:56,461 --> 00:24:58,596
[laughs]
659
00:24:58,696 --> 00:25:01,833
I would love to know your
opinion on Twitter itself
660
00:25:01,933 --> 00:25:04,235
and how we see its
role in our society.
661
00:25:04,335 --> 00:25:06,504
There are some who say,
because it is a business,
662
00:25:06,604 --> 00:25:08,139
Elon can do whatever he wants.
663
00:25:08,239 --> 00:25:09,807
He paid for it.
He can take it.
664
00:25:09,908 --> 00:25:11,075
He can he can do as he pleases.
665
00:25:11,109 --> 00:25:12,610
On the other hand, there
are people who are saying,
666
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:15,914
Elon taking over Twitter, which
has become this public square,
667
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,718
only goes to show how dangerous
it can be to have billionaires
668
00:25:20,818 --> 00:25:23,454
defining what everybody
else can speak
669
00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:25,823
or what their speech
might or may not be.
670
00:25:25,924 --> 00:25:27,926
And all of those
things are true.
671
00:25:28,092 --> 00:25:30,562
They are not true, to
my mind, in equal parts.
672
00:25:30,662 --> 00:25:33,097
So I think the
bigger story here
673
00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:36,100
is that we outsourced
the public square
674
00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:38,102
to the private sector, right?
675
00:25:38,169 --> 00:25:41,573
Twitter becomes or feels
like the public square.
676
00:25:41,673 --> 00:25:44,676
But it has never operated in
practice as a public square.
677
00:25:44,776 --> 00:25:45,810
It cannot.
678
00:25:45,910 --> 00:25:48,880
It is not owned by the
state or by the people.
679
00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:52,884
And, in fact, one of the
things that minority people,
680
00:25:52,984 --> 00:25:55,587
queer people have said
for years about Twitter
681
00:25:55,687 --> 00:25:58,690
is that they could not
participate the same way
682
00:25:58,790 --> 00:26:01,059
that really powerful
brands could participate
683
00:26:01,125 --> 00:26:02,060
or politicians or--
684
00:26:02,126 --> 00:26:03,061
TREVOR NOAH: Interesting.
685
00:26:03,127 --> 00:26:04,529
--particularly
especially trolls.
686
00:26:04,629 --> 00:26:06,331
And so in a true
public square, there
687
00:26:06,431 --> 00:26:08,633
would be some way for
people to talk back,
688
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:10,201
right, to the powers that be.
689
00:26:10,301 --> 00:26:11,336
That's never been Twitter.
690
00:26:11,436 --> 00:26:13,504
That's never been any
social media platform.
691
00:26:13,605 --> 00:26:15,773
That is the difference between
a business and something
692
00:26:15,874 --> 00:26:17,075
that is truly public.
693
00:26:17,141 --> 00:26:19,377
So it is a business.
694
00:26:19,477 --> 00:26:21,980
Elon Musk can buy it
as he was eventually,
695
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,281
you know, forced to do.
696
00:26:23,381 --> 00:26:26,885
[laughter]
697
00:26:26,985 --> 00:26:29,621
He wrote a check, and then
his behind had to cash it.
698
00:26:29,721 --> 00:26:32,590
And that's how we
find ourselves here.
699
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:37,095
That we have used it to try to
express sort of people power.
700
00:26:37,195 --> 00:26:38,196
TREVOR NOAH: Right,
right, right.
701
00:26:38,296 --> 00:26:40,665
--does not mean
that the people own it
702
00:26:40,765 --> 00:26:42,800
or have any authority over it.
703
00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:44,602
What that says to
me and what I think
704
00:26:44,702 --> 00:26:46,638
it says to many other
people is that there
705
00:26:46,738 --> 00:26:48,506
should be a public space.
706
00:26:48,606 --> 00:26:50,675
We are in an
information society.
707
00:26:50,775 --> 00:26:52,944
Information is power,
and it is money.
708
00:26:53,111 --> 00:26:55,914
Why don't we have a
civic public square--
709
00:26:56,014 --> 00:26:56,915
TREVOR NOAH: Interesting.
710
00:26:57,015 --> 00:26:58,783
--that exists
on the internet?
711
00:26:58,883 --> 00:27:02,720
Elon Musk buying Twitter would
not have mattered if the state
712
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:04,622
was competing with Twitter.
713
00:27:04,722 --> 00:27:05,690
TREVOR NOAH:
That's interesting.
714
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:07,959
[applause]
715
00:27:08,059 --> 00:27:09,460
But do you think--
716
00:27:09,561 --> 00:27:12,063
many of these ideas
are sound except when
717
00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:14,666
you add in that the state in
question would be America.
718
00:27:14,766 --> 00:27:16,067
- Yes.
- You know?
719
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:17,268
That's right.
[laughs]
720
00:27:17,368 --> 00:27:20,371
No, and I mean this not
because of America's ineptness
721
00:27:20,471 --> 00:27:21,739
or anything, but
rather because America
722
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,876
sees everything through
the lens of left or right,
723
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:26,244
Democrat, Republican always.
724
00:27:26,344 --> 00:27:27,579
It doesn't matter
what the issue is.
725
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:29,647
And it feels like America
itself would never
726
00:27:29,747 --> 00:27:31,216
be able to create
something like this
727
00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:33,685
because both sides wouldn't
agree on what the thing should
728
00:27:33,785 --> 00:27:34,686
or shouldn't be.
729
00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:35,887
Oh, no, absolutely.
730
00:27:35,987 --> 00:27:38,122
I mean, we see this debate
about everything that is
731
00:27:38,223 --> 00:27:41,559
publicly governed, particularly
our schools, right,
732
00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:44,095
where we cannot agree on
whether or not our schools are
733
00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:46,564
indoctrinating our children
or should be preparing them
734
00:27:46,664 --> 00:27:47,799
for the economy of the future.
735
00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:50,635
Somehow Americans want
it to do both, right?
736
00:27:50,735 --> 00:27:53,004
Don't teach my children
anything, but make
737
00:27:53,104 --> 00:27:55,139
sure that they can be
competitive in the economy
738
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,574
of the future.
TREVOR NOAH: [laughs]
739
00:27:56,674 --> 00:27:57,742
But you know what?
740
00:27:57,842 --> 00:28:00,545
That is the mess of
Democratic participation.
741
00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:03,147
It does not mean
that we get it right.
742
00:28:03,248 --> 00:28:06,951
It means that there is a way
to get it right sometimes.
743
00:28:07,051 --> 00:28:10,321
So we don't have to have the
whole thing figured out for us
744
00:28:10,421 --> 00:28:12,190
to invest in publicness.
745
00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:13,424
So one of--
746
00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:16,594
I teach at a public
university in North Carolina.
747
00:28:16,694 --> 00:28:18,062
And I teach a lot
of students who
748
00:28:18,162 --> 00:28:21,199
will go on to work in libraries
and in the information sector.
749
00:28:21,299 --> 00:28:24,903
You know, libraries
are, to me, the shining
750
00:28:25,069 --> 00:28:28,306
example on the hill of
what a public space can be.
751
00:28:28,406 --> 00:28:29,307
Are they perfect?
752
00:28:29,407 --> 00:28:31,075
Absolutely not.
753
00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:33,411
But do they welcome
people into them
754
00:28:33,511 --> 00:28:35,113
and meet people where they are?
755
00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:36,214
Absolutely.
756
00:28:36,314 --> 00:28:37,515
Can America do that?
757
00:28:37,615 --> 00:28:38,816
Yes.
758
00:28:38,917 --> 00:28:40,985
Now do we have to fight to
do it every step of the way?
759
00:28:41,085 --> 00:28:42,453
Absolutely.
760
00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:44,622
But we can have that fight.
761
00:28:44,722 --> 00:28:48,927
You can't have that fight
when an entity is owned
762
00:28:49,093 --> 00:28:51,095
by a single megalomaniac.
763
00:28:51,162 --> 00:28:52,096
Huh.
764
00:28:52,163 --> 00:28:54,933
[applause]
765
00:28:55,099 --> 00:28:58,570
You know, when we talk
about these spaces
766
00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:00,071
and we talk about
these ideas and we talk
767
00:29:00,171 --> 00:29:01,206
about these
conversations, there's
768
00:29:01,306 --> 00:29:03,841
no denying that
Twitter and many places
769
00:29:03,942 --> 00:29:06,744
like it have benefited
from the diverse array
770
00:29:06,845 --> 00:29:09,047
of voices that have now
been part of the platform,
771
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,048
you know?
772
00:29:10,081 --> 00:29:12,217
You wouldn't know
what was happening
773
00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:14,118
on the ground in
the same way in Iran
774
00:29:14,219 --> 00:29:15,119
were it not for Twitter.
775
00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:16,254
TRESSIE MCMILLAN
COTTOM: Exactly.
776
00:29:16,354 --> 00:29:17,455
You know, you wouldn't
know what was happening
777
00:29:17,555 --> 00:29:19,157
on the ground in the same
way in Charlottesville
778
00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:20,291
were it not for Twitter.
779
00:29:20,391 --> 00:29:22,627
It has become-- as you
say, it has the illusion
780
00:29:22,727 --> 00:29:23,795
at times of a public square.
781
00:29:23,895 --> 00:29:25,897
But many people have
used it to that effect.
782
00:29:26,064 --> 00:29:28,333
I would love to know,
from your perspective,
783
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,702
as somebody who has
seen your own journey,
784
00:29:30,802 --> 00:29:34,105
from general obscurity to
now becoming somebody whose
785
00:29:34,205 --> 00:29:36,341
voice is so respected
and recognized--
786
00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:39,611
you write for The New York
Times as part of their op-ed.
787
00:29:39,711 --> 00:29:41,846
You're shaping
people's opinions.
788
00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:44,082
How do you find the
balance, or how do you
789
00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:46,584
inspire people
you teach to think
790
00:29:46,684 --> 00:29:49,120
critically about the world
that they're living in?
791
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:52,156
Because half of the things
we know are taught to us.
792
00:29:52,257 --> 00:29:54,526
And then at some point, we have
to decipher between what we've
793
00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,794
been taught is the truth
and then what is the truth
794
00:29:56,895 --> 00:29:58,429
or where the gray even exists.
795
00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:00,098
How do you even begin
that journey as a teacher
796
00:30:00,198 --> 00:30:02,567
and as a learner because
you're constantly learning?
797
00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:04,402
Well, I think
that is part of it.
798
00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:06,137
I try to always be a learner.
799
00:30:06,237 --> 00:30:10,408
It's really easy, I
think, to develop and grow
800
00:30:10,508 --> 00:30:12,844
in your career and
forget how overwhelming
801
00:30:12,944 --> 00:30:15,346
it is to learn something
new for the first time.
802
00:30:15,446 --> 00:30:17,749
So I try to be an idiot as
much as humanly possible.
803
00:30:17,849 --> 00:30:19,317
TREVOR NOAH: I love that.
I love that.
804
00:30:19,417 --> 00:30:20,685
I do that all the time.
- Yes.
805
00:30:20,785 --> 00:30:22,053
[laughter]
806
00:30:22,086 --> 00:30:23,421
You know, I enroll
in something.
807
00:30:23,521 --> 00:30:25,690
I take up something
that I'm just absolutely
808
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:28,860
horrible at doing because
I want to feel how
809
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,395
vulnerable it feels to learn.
810
00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:31,496
And it is a very
vulnerable space.
811
00:30:31,596 --> 00:30:32,497
TREVOR NOAH: Right.
812
00:30:32,597 --> 00:30:34,098
So when I am
feeling generous,
813
00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:37,635
I think that there is a
not insignificant part
814
00:30:37,735 --> 00:30:39,604
of the American
public that isn't
815
00:30:39,704 --> 00:30:44,776
so much afraid of the other
as they are of being ignorant.
816
00:30:44,876 --> 00:30:49,113
And some people would
rather be angry than stupid.
817
00:30:49,214 --> 00:30:50,248
TREVOR NOAH: Interesting.
818
00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:53,818
And so figuring it out
is actually really hard.
819
00:30:53,918 --> 00:30:56,688
This is something I've
learned as I've taught people.
820
00:30:56,788 --> 00:30:59,824
And so there's a certain amount
of vulnerability, I think,
821
00:30:59,924 --> 00:31:02,160
we have to share
with each other
822
00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:04,495
to say that just because
I have achieved something
823
00:31:04,596 --> 00:31:07,365
in one part of the world
or in one profession
824
00:31:07,465 --> 00:31:08,867
doesn't mean I know everything.
825
00:31:09,033 --> 00:31:12,537
Now the challenge for us is
that we have a culture that
826
00:31:12,637 --> 00:31:15,740
absolutely likes to
turn every success
827
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,142
story into a universal
story of genius.
828
00:31:18,243 --> 00:31:19,143
TREVOR NOAH: Yes.
829
00:31:19,244 --> 00:31:20,144
Right?
830
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,113
So you founded
Facebook, and now you
831
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:25,383
can solve world hunger,
as if those have anything
832
00:31:25,483 --> 00:31:27,852
to do with each other.
833
00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:29,254
So that is a problem
of the culture.
834
00:31:29,354 --> 00:31:31,823
But I don't think it
has to be that way.
835
00:31:31,923 --> 00:31:34,592
And I actually think one of
the good things about Twitter
836
00:31:34,692 --> 00:31:39,497
has been how many people have
been willing to model learning
837
00:31:39,597 --> 00:31:42,934
in public so that other people
could see that it doesn't have
838
00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:46,704
to strip you of your
status or your position,
839
00:31:46,804 --> 00:31:51,242
that learning can happen
without you flailing about.
840
00:31:51,342 --> 00:31:54,279
I think I'll miss
that about Twitter.
841
00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:55,713
As in it's gone?
You think it's--
842
00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:56,848
No, it ends eventually.
Listen.
843
00:31:56,948 --> 00:31:57,849
Oh, OK.
844
00:31:58,016 --> 00:31:59,083
All social media apps end.
845
00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:00,084
Right.
846
00:32:00,185 --> 00:32:01,653
There'll be something
new, obviously.
847
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,022
But I don't know that
anything else would
848
00:32:04,055 --> 00:32:06,457
be able to capture--
that was one of the best
849
00:32:06,558 --> 00:32:08,660
things about Twitter.
850
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,362
It was a space
for people to see
851
00:32:11,462 --> 00:32:13,264
different kinds of genius--
852
00:32:13,364 --> 00:32:14,332
TREVOR NOAH: I like that.
853
00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:15,934
--that you could be
good in one domain,
854
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:17,702
still learning in
another domain,
855
00:32:17,802 --> 00:32:18,903
that you could risk it.
856
00:32:19,037 --> 00:32:22,607
It is something that I
enjoyed doing, personally.
857
00:32:22,707 --> 00:32:25,877
And I think that it was never
the app's intention-- listen,
858
00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:27,178
people turned it into that.
859
00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:29,347
That is not what it
was designed to do.
860
00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:31,182
TREVOR NOAH: You think that's
because we innately want
861
00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:32,250
to do that as human beings?
862
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:33,251
I do.
863
00:32:33,351 --> 00:32:35,053
I have to believe
that human beings
864
00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:36,754
are fundamentally curious.
865
00:32:36,855 --> 00:32:41,492
And social media is only
popular because we're curious.
866
00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:43,595
We go there because
we want to see.
867
00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:45,163
We're nosy.
868
00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:46,564
[laughter]
869
00:32:46,664 --> 00:32:49,767
We want to rubberneck
the world, you know?
870
00:32:49,868 --> 00:32:52,971
And so what it has done,
it's made it profitable--
871
00:32:53,071 --> 00:32:54,405
made our curiosity profitable.
872
00:32:54,505 --> 00:32:55,673
TREVOR NOAH: Right.
873
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:59,244
And it has made our curiosity
politically polarized.
874
00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:02,413
But that doesn't mean
that curiosity is bad.
875
00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:04,716
I actually think it is
a thing that separates
876
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:07,619
us from the rest of--
877
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:08,686
well, no, the animal kingdom.
878
00:33:08,786 --> 00:33:10,688
I don't want to throw
shade on animals.
879
00:33:10,788 --> 00:33:11,789
Animals are good.
[laughter]
880
00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:12,790
TREVOR NOAH: They
are pretty curious.
881
00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:13,791
Yeah.
882
00:33:13,892 --> 00:33:14,792
They actually
are pretty curious.
883
00:33:14,893 --> 00:33:15,793
Yeah.
884
00:33:15,894 --> 00:33:16,828
I think we're apes
if we're lucky.
885
00:33:16,928 --> 00:33:17,829
Right.
886
00:33:17,929 --> 00:33:18,930
You know?
887
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:20,899
But it does separate
us, I think, from, like,
888
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:22,500
a brick wall.
- It does, indeed.
889
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,501
It does, indeed.
890
00:33:23,601 --> 00:33:24,903
Shade to all the
bricks has been thrown.
891
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:26,170
That is correct.
[laughs]
892
00:33:26,271 --> 00:33:27,605
- The animals have been spared.
- The animals are good.
893
00:33:27,705 --> 00:33:28,640
I could talk
to you for hours,
894
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:29,674
but that's why we
have your books.
895
00:33:29,774 --> 00:33:30,942
That's why we have
some of your tweets.
896
00:33:31,042 --> 00:33:32,343
Thank you again for
joining me on the show.
897
00:33:32,443 --> 00:33:33,711
Thank you for everything.
- Always happy to see you.
898
00:33:33,811 --> 00:33:35,146
Everything, I
really appreciate you.
899
00:33:35,246 --> 00:33:36,714
- Thank you.
- Thank you so much.
900
00:33:36,814 --> 00:33:39,150
One more time, Tressie
McMillan Cottom, everybody.
901
00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:40,285
We're going to
take a quick break,
902
00:33:40,385 --> 00:33:43,154
but we'll be right
back after this.
903
00:33:43,254 --> 00:33:44,155
Thank you again.
904
00:33:44,255 --> 00:33:47,926
[cheering]
905
00:33:52,463 --> 00:33:55,967
[cheering]
906
00:33:56,067 --> 00:33:57,335
Well, that's our
show for tonight.
907
00:33:57,435 --> 00:33:59,871
But before we
go-- before we go,
908
00:33:59,971 --> 00:34:03,574
this holiday season consider
supporting Feeding America,
909
00:34:03,674 --> 00:34:05,676
the largest hunger
relief organization
910
00:34:05,776 --> 00:34:06,844
in the United States.
911
00:34:06,944 --> 00:34:08,880
They work to get nourishing
food from farmers,
912
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:11,883
manufacturers, and
retailers to our neighbors,
913
00:34:11,983 --> 00:34:13,484
while addressing the
root causes of hunger.
914
00:34:13,584 --> 00:34:14,852
So if you can support
them in their work,
915
00:34:14,952 --> 00:34:16,821
then please donate
at the link below.
916
00:34:16,921 --> 00:34:18,489
Until next time,
stay safe out there.
917
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:21,392
And, remember, the robots
can't take your job
918
00:34:21,492 --> 00:34:23,427
if you're already unemployed.
919
00:34:23,528 --> 00:34:26,030
Now here it is,
your Moment of Zen.
920
00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:33,137
[bells]
921
00:34:34,772 --> 00:34:36,307
I'm going to stay
here with the carolers.
922
00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:38,109
I'll send it back to you,
Frank and Jess in Hollywood.
923
00:34:38,209 --> 00:34:39,677
- You fit right in.
- You do.
924
00:34:39,777 --> 00:34:40,778
I don't know this song.
925
00:34:40,878 --> 00:34:42,346
- (SINGING) Holly.
- Honey.
926
00:34:42,446 --> 00:34:43,347
Holly.
927
00:34:43,447 --> 00:34:44,348
Holly.
928
00:34:44,448 --> 00:34:45,349
Honey?
929
00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:46,350
Nailed it.
930
00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:50,521
[gibberish]
931
00:34:50,621 --> 00:34:52,056
- Think she has it.
- Right.
932
00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:53,057
[laughs]
933
00:34:53,090 --> 00:34:55,860
[bells]