1 00:00:03,081 --> 00:00:05,081 'In 1964, 2 00:00:05,081 --> 00:00:08,081 'Granada Television brought together a group of seven-year-olds.' 3 00:00:08,081 --> 00:00:11,081 When I grow up, I want to be an astronaut. 4 00:00:11,081 --> 00:00:13,121 'We have followed their lives, every seven years.' 5 00:00:13,121 --> 00:00:14,921 I don't want to keep still. 6 00:00:14,921 --> 00:00:16,081 Life don't wait for nobody. 7 00:00:16,081 --> 00:00:18,081 'They talked about their dreams...' 8 00:00:18,081 --> 00:00:21,081 If I could, I'd have two girls and two boys. 9 00:00:21,081 --> 00:00:22,081 'Their ambitions...' 10 00:00:22,081 --> 00:00:24,081 I would quite like to go into politics. 11 00:00:24,081 --> 00:00:26,081 'And their fears for the future.' 12 00:00:26,081 --> 00:00:28,801 Life is what happens while you're waiting for something else. 13 00:00:29,601 --> 00:00:32,081 I don't think life is there to be regretted. 14 00:00:32,081 --> 00:00:34,081 You got to make the most of it while you've got it. 15 00:00:34,081 --> 00:00:36,081 That's how you become the person you are. 16 00:00:36,081 --> 00:00:40,121 It's a picture of how any person... how they change. 17 00:00:40,121 --> 00:00:44,081 Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man. 18 00:00:47,761 --> 00:00:49,761 Is it important to fight? 19 00:00:49,761 --> 00:00:51,761 Yes. 20 00:00:54,241 --> 00:00:57,241 'Tony was brought up in the East End of London.' 21 00:00:57,241 --> 00:00:59,081 I want to be a jockey when I grow up. 22 00:00:59,081 --> 00:01:01,241 Yeah, I want to be a jockey when I grow up! 23 00:01:02,241 --> 00:01:05,241 'At 14, he was already an apprentice 24 00:01:05,241 --> 00:01:09,081 'at Tommy Gosling's racing stable at Epsom.' 25 00:01:11,241 --> 00:01:13,241 'At 14, he'd left school.' 26 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:18,601 This is a photo finish when I rode at Newbury. 27 00:01:18,601 --> 00:01:20,241 I'm the one with the white cap. 28 00:01:20,241 --> 00:01:22,241 I was beaten a length and a half for third 29 00:01:22,241 --> 00:01:24,241 and had a photo finish. 30 00:01:24,241 --> 00:01:25,761 Do you regret not making it? 31 00:01:26,921 --> 00:01:30,241 I would have given my right arm at the time to become a jockey. 32 00:01:30,241 --> 00:01:31,241 But now... 33 00:01:32,241 --> 00:01:34,241 ..I wasn't good enough. 34 00:01:34,241 --> 00:01:36,241 My greatest fulfilment in life... 35 00:01:37,241 --> 00:01:41,761 ..when I rode at Kempton in the same race as Lester Piggott. 36 00:01:41,761 --> 00:01:44,241 Proudest day of my life. 37 00:01:44,241 --> 00:01:47,241 What will you do if you don't make it as a jockey? 38 00:01:47,241 --> 00:01:49,241 I don't know. 39 00:01:49,241 --> 00:01:51,241 If I knew I couldn't be one, I would get out of the game. 40 00:01:53,241 --> 00:01:55,241 Wouldn't bother. 41 00:01:55,241 --> 00:01:57,241 What do you think you would do then? 42 00:01:57,241 --> 00:01:59,241 Learn on taxis. 43 00:02:01,241 --> 00:02:04,241 'At 21, he was on The Knowledge. 44 00:02:04,241 --> 00:02:07,241 'And by 28, he owned his own cab.' 45 00:02:07,241 --> 00:02:10,081 I'll give you the story, which happened. 46 00:02:10,081 --> 00:02:12,081 The doorman called me up 47 00:02:12,081 --> 00:02:14,241 and it was Buzz Aldrin, the spaceman. 48 00:02:14,241 --> 00:02:16,241 And we drove out of the forecourt of the hotel 49 00:02:16,241 --> 00:02:19,241 and a cab pulled up and taxi driver said, 50 00:02:19,241 --> 00:02:21,081 "Can you get his autograph?" 51 00:02:21,081 --> 00:02:22,241 So I heard it and say, 52 00:02:22,241 --> 00:02:25,241 "Mr Aldrin, can I have your autograph, please?" 53 00:02:25,241 --> 00:02:28,241 And the cabbie said, "No, I don't want his autograph, 54 00:02:28,241 --> 00:02:29,241 "I want your autograph." 55 00:02:29,241 --> 00:02:33,241 And I couldn't believe it and I said, "You're joking, ain't ya?!" 56 00:02:33,241 --> 00:02:35,601 And to this day, I thought to myself, 57 00:02:35,601 --> 00:02:38,241 "I'm more famous than Buzz Aldrin! 58 00:02:38,241 --> 00:02:41,241 "He was the second man to land on the moon!" 59 00:02:41,241 --> 00:02:43,241 'At 42, Tony had left the East End 60 00:02:43,241 --> 00:02:47,241 'and moved the family to Woodford in Essex.' 61 00:02:47,241 --> 00:02:49,281 Well, I think we overspent about... 62 00:02:49,281 --> 00:02:52,241 Well, a colossal amount. 63 00:02:52,241 --> 00:02:53,241 Thousands. 64 00:02:55,241 --> 00:02:58,441 'At 49, they had taken out a second mortgage on the London house 65 00:02:58,441 --> 00:03:01,241 'and put the money into a holiday home in Spain.' 66 00:03:03,241 --> 00:03:06,241 So, it's seven years since we did this. 67 00:03:06,241 --> 00:03:08,601 Flown by, Michael. Just gone. 68 00:03:08,601 --> 00:03:12,241 What's life been like since we did 56 UP? 69 00:03:12,241 --> 00:03:14,241 Well, when we had our last interview, if you remember, 70 00:03:14,241 --> 00:03:18,241 I was in Spain and I was looking for a business to sort of set up. 71 00:03:19,241 --> 00:03:23,241 From here, there's going to be all commercial units here. 72 00:03:23,241 --> 00:03:27,241 My intentions would be to turn one of these units into a sports bar. 73 00:03:29,241 --> 00:03:31,241 Did you have financial difficulties? 74 00:03:31,241 --> 00:03:33,241 There was no money out there. 75 00:03:33,241 --> 00:03:35,241 All the businesses started to close. 76 00:03:35,241 --> 00:03:39,241 Aldi had come along and built a brand-new supermarket there. 77 00:03:39,241 --> 00:03:42,281 So all my aspirations and dreams went out the window. 78 00:03:42,281 --> 00:03:46,761 People kept coming back from their dream, also evaporating, 79 00:03:46,761 --> 00:03:48,241 and they come back. 80 00:03:48,241 --> 00:03:52,241 So, my wife and I decided to pack up and come back 81 00:03:52,241 --> 00:03:56,241 and sell our house and consolidate all our finances. 82 00:03:56,241 --> 00:03:57,281 I wish I was still there. 83 00:03:57,281 --> 00:04:02,081 And I wish it was a vibrant city which I could have had an input in. 84 00:04:02,081 --> 00:04:06,241 Because I would have loved to have maintained my property out there. 85 00:04:08,241 --> 00:04:11,241 It was a dream come true for a boy in the buildings. 86 00:04:11,241 --> 00:04:13,241 You must understand. 87 00:04:13,241 --> 00:04:15,241 I'm only a cabbie. 88 00:04:15,241 --> 00:04:17,241 Have you got a girlfriend? 89 00:04:17,241 --> 00:04:18,241 Nope. 90 00:04:18,241 --> 00:04:19,441 Would you like to have a girlfriend? 91 00:04:19,441 --> 00:04:21,241 Nope. 92 00:04:21,241 --> 00:04:23,241 Do you understand the four Fs? 93 00:04:23,241 --> 00:04:25,241 Find them, feed them... And forget them. 94 00:04:25,241 --> 00:04:28,241 For the other F I'll let you use your own discriminish... 95 00:04:28,241 --> 00:04:32,241 I mean, this one, I tried to do the three Fs... 96 00:04:33,241 --> 00:04:34,241 ..but I couldn't forget her. 97 00:04:34,241 --> 00:04:37,241 And why did you fall in love with him? 98 00:04:37,241 --> 00:04:39,241 Dunno. 99 00:04:39,241 --> 00:04:42,241 I don't know how you put up with me for so long. 100 00:04:42,241 --> 00:04:44,601 I don't know how. Sometimes, I don't know how I stand him. 101 00:04:44,601 --> 00:04:47,241 I'm not proud at all to say this, 102 00:04:47,241 --> 00:04:50,241 but situations arise that... 103 00:04:51,241 --> 00:04:55,241 ..I have had regretful behaviour at various times. 104 00:04:55,241 --> 00:04:56,241 But... 105 00:04:57,241 --> 00:04:58,921 Through... You got caught. 106 00:04:58,921 --> 00:05:00,241 Yeah, all right... And that was it. 107 00:05:00,241 --> 00:05:04,921 I owe Debbie everything because she stuck by me. 108 00:05:04,921 --> 00:05:06,241 And then... 109 00:05:07,241 --> 00:05:08,241 ..at the end of it... 110 00:05:09,241 --> 00:05:10,441 ..I still love her so. 111 00:05:11,241 --> 00:05:13,241 And that's the reason why. 112 00:05:14,241 --> 00:05:17,441 So, is this a tough time for cabbies at the moment? 113 00:05:17,441 --> 00:05:22,241 Uber and all these other companies trying to take a piece of the cake 114 00:05:22,241 --> 00:05:25,761 they're coming in and they're getting licenses willy-nilly. 115 00:05:27,241 --> 00:05:31,241 Is there are war going on between cabbies and Uber? 116 00:05:31,241 --> 00:05:35,241 What they've done to the cab trade with a 240-year-old history 117 00:05:35,241 --> 00:05:38,241 I cannot stress enough. 118 00:05:38,241 --> 00:05:41,241 So, all the cabbies, 4,000 of us, 119 00:05:41,241 --> 00:05:42,241 we got our placards, 120 00:05:42,241 --> 00:05:46,241 we marched to Downing Street on a demonstration. 121 00:05:46,241 --> 00:05:49,281 And, er, I for one will be there again, 122 00:05:49,281 --> 00:05:53,081 beating my drum for the black taxi trade. 123 00:05:54,241 --> 00:05:57,241 How much have you lost in yearly salary? 124 00:05:57,241 --> 00:06:01,441 I would certainly say a third, which is a big kick in the rear. 125 00:06:01,441 --> 00:06:04,241 And it's really hurtful. 126 00:06:06,241 --> 00:06:09,241 And what about Debbie? Has she been hit by it? 127 00:06:09,241 --> 00:06:11,241 Well, of course! We've all been hit by it. 128 00:06:11,241 --> 00:06:13,601 That's why I'm back in Essex now. 129 00:06:13,601 --> 00:06:15,241 Come on, Daisy. Come on. 130 00:06:16,281 --> 00:06:18,441 Look at the head on that horse. 131 00:06:18,441 --> 00:06:20,241 Ah, lovely. 132 00:06:20,241 --> 00:06:21,241 Really, it was me. 133 00:06:21,241 --> 00:06:25,241 I decided that I wanted to move from where we used to live. 134 00:06:26,241 --> 00:06:29,921 And I come up here one day and this one was up for sale. 135 00:06:31,241 --> 00:06:34,241 And then he came up here... I saw the horses. 136 00:06:34,241 --> 00:06:38,441 And he saw the horses out here and he fell in love with it. 137 00:06:38,441 --> 00:06:41,241 You've got to be 40 years old to live here, 138 00:06:41,241 --> 00:06:43,241 you got a lot of elderly people here, 139 00:06:43,241 --> 00:06:45,241 but there are ex-old East Enders 140 00:06:45,241 --> 00:06:48,241 and they're all sort of like, you know, traditional East Enders. 141 00:06:49,241 --> 00:06:51,241 It's all forest round here. 142 00:06:51,241 --> 00:06:53,241 Got a little pub up the road, 143 00:06:53,241 --> 00:06:55,241 if you go up there you can get pie-eyed 144 00:06:55,241 --> 00:06:56,241 and walk down if you want. 145 00:06:58,241 --> 00:06:59,241 Nature is the winner for me. 146 00:06:59,241 --> 00:07:02,241 I come home at night, I see foxes running about, 147 00:07:02,241 --> 00:07:05,241 reindeers at one o'clock in the morning 148 00:07:05,241 --> 00:07:08,241 after I done a night's work in my cab. 149 00:07:08,241 --> 00:07:10,241 Life couldn't be better, really, living up here. 150 00:07:11,921 --> 00:07:15,241 How is life going for you two? In your marriage? 151 00:07:15,241 --> 00:07:17,241 It's solid. Would you say it's solid? 152 00:07:17,241 --> 00:07:19,441 Yeah. It's good at the moment. Yeah. 153 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:24,761 We've overcome a lot of ups and downs, but who don't? 154 00:07:26,241 --> 00:07:29,241 Do you notice a change in each other? 155 00:07:29,241 --> 00:07:31,241 Have we? Or what? I don't know. 156 00:07:32,241 --> 00:07:35,241 Not really. He's never changed, has he? 157 00:07:35,241 --> 00:07:39,241 He seems to me more grown-up, more mature and everything. 158 00:07:39,241 --> 00:07:43,241 Yeah, well, I don't know about that, but... 159 00:07:44,081 --> 00:07:48,601 But no, I mean, he is what he is. And nothing's gonna change him. 160 00:07:48,601 --> 00:07:50,441 There is only one ambition I have, really. 161 00:07:50,441 --> 00:07:51,921 I want a baby son. 162 00:07:51,921 --> 00:07:54,921 If I see my baby son, that will be my ambition fulfilled. 163 00:07:54,921 --> 00:07:57,241 No-one knows that. Only you, now. 164 00:07:58,241 --> 00:08:01,241 'Debbie and Tony have three children. 165 00:08:01,241 --> 00:08:03,921 'Nicky, Jodie and Perry.' 166 00:08:06,241 --> 00:08:08,441 Nicky, as you know, he was a French polisher, 167 00:08:08,441 --> 00:08:11,241 which is a dying trade in England. 168 00:08:11,241 --> 00:08:15,241 So we funded him, me and Debbie, on The Knowledge. 169 00:08:15,241 --> 00:08:17,241 I couldn't ask for more. 170 00:08:17,241 --> 00:08:19,241 To be more proud when he got his badge, 171 00:08:19,241 --> 00:08:21,281 it was... it was a gift from God for what happened. 172 00:08:23,241 --> 00:08:25,241 Perry's at college at the moment. 173 00:08:25,241 --> 00:08:28,241 Training to be a TA, teacher's assistant. 174 00:08:29,241 --> 00:08:32,241 Because she wants a job that fits in with the schools. 175 00:08:32,241 --> 00:08:33,241 High five? 176 00:08:33,241 --> 00:08:37,241 Whoever wins gets a packet of sweets, agree? 177 00:08:37,241 --> 00:08:40,241 We've got six grandchildren. 178 00:08:40,241 --> 00:08:43,761 The three young kids, Perry's kids, my youngest daughter. 179 00:08:43,761 --> 00:08:45,241 Quick! 180 00:08:45,241 --> 00:08:47,241 If it goes in, you get a fiver! 181 00:08:51,241 --> 00:08:54,241 Jodie's still trying to find her way in life. 182 00:08:54,241 --> 00:08:56,241 She's 37 now. 183 00:08:56,241 --> 00:08:59,241 Life's not been too good for her at this present time. 184 00:09:00,241 --> 00:09:04,241 Debbie and I do everything we can to get her back on her feet and... 185 00:09:07,241 --> 00:09:08,441 Excuse me. 186 00:09:09,601 --> 00:09:12,241 When you visually see it happening, 187 00:09:12,241 --> 00:09:14,241 you can see the change in her attitude, 188 00:09:14,241 --> 00:09:16,241 you can see the change in her appearance, 189 00:09:16,241 --> 00:09:19,241 it's not a nice place to be. 190 00:09:19,241 --> 00:09:21,241 Watching your daughter struggle. 191 00:09:25,241 --> 00:09:27,241 'Jodie has a daughter, Toni.' 192 00:09:29,081 --> 00:09:31,241 Debbie and I brought her up, solely. 193 00:09:31,241 --> 00:09:34,241 All I can say is, she's turned out beautiful. 194 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:37,281 We're very proud of Toni, 195 00:09:37,281 --> 00:09:41,241 she's had to overcome a lot in her life, 196 00:09:41,241 --> 00:09:43,241 but she's doing well. 197 00:09:43,241 --> 00:09:45,241 Do you know all the girls and all the kids that are going? 198 00:09:45,241 --> 00:09:47,241 She works hard in the pub, 199 00:09:47,241 --> 00:09:48,241 she saves her own money, 200 00:09:48,241 --> 00:09:50,241 she's got her own independence. 201 00:09:50,241 --> 00:09:52,241 An old head on young shoulders, Michael. 202 00:09:52,241 --> 00:09:54,241 She's very, very efficient. 203 00:09:54,241 --> 00:09:55,281 I'm in two golf societies. 204 00:09:55,281 --> 00:09:58,241 And who are the guys you play with? 205 00:09:58,241 --> 00:10:01,241 Well, they're mostly publicans or taxi drivers, you know. 206 00:10:01,241 --> 00:10:04,241 We always end up, you know, have a small bet. 207 00:10:04,241 --> 00:10:08,241 It's good. Great shot! Great shot. 208 00:10:08,241 --> 00:10:10,761 A tenner a man, OK? 209 00:10:10,761 --> 00:10:15,241 No, Tone, no. Fiver. You took our money last week. 210 00:10:15,241 --> 00:10:17,241 Give us all a chance, would you? 211 00:10:20,081 --> 00:10:22,241 That's got 460 on the metre, that has. 212 00:10:22,241 --> 00:10:25,081 So, how is your health these days? 213 00:10:25,081 --> 00:10:27,281 I've got DVT, which is deep vein thrombosis, 214 00:10:27,281 --> 00:10:31,241 a condition from my family, from my brother, 215 00:10:31,241 --> 00:10:35,241 my sister, we've all been affected by DVT 216 00:10:35,241 --> 00:10:37,241 and I'm on warfarin now for the rest of my life 217 00:10:37,241 --> 00:10:39,241 because I did have a pulmonary embolism 218 00:10:39,241 --> 00:10:43,241 which I had a blockage and it went to my lung. 219 00:10:43,241 --> 00:10:46,241 If it had gone to my brain, or my heart, 220 00:10:46,241 --> 00:10:49,241 then I wouldn't be having this interview with you now. 221 00:10:50,241 --> 00:10:52,241 Nice one. That's in. 222 00:10:52,241 --> 00:10:55,241 I'm more health conscientious than I've ever been, really. 223 00:10:55,241 --> 00:10:57,241 Well, you ain't, cos you eat a lot of chocolate. 224 00:10:57,241 --> 00:11:00,241 Well, I accept that, that's fair enough. 225 00:11:00,241 --> 00:11:03,241 That's not health-conscious, is it? All right, I'll give you that one. 226 00:11:03,241 --> 00:11:08,241 But I don't smoke and I don't drink and trust me, I exercise. 227 00:11:08,241 --> 00:11:11,241 Most of all, I don't do any... 228 00:11:12,241 --> 00:11:14,241 What do they call it? 229 00:11:14,241 --> 00:11:15,761 Yeah, all right. 230 00:11:15,761 --> 00:11:19,081 That's machinery under there, too. That's not... That's not mine. 231 00:11:35,721 --> 00:11:38,401 'In 1964, we asked Tony what he thought 232 00:11:38,401 --> 00:11:41,241 'about the English class system.' 233 00:11:41,241 --> 00:11:44,721 The posh 'uns: "Oh, yes, oh, yes, oh, yes." 234 00:11:44,721 --> 00:11:46,721 They're nuts! 235 00:11:47,721 --> 00:11:50,241 Just have to Tash 'em. 236 00:11:50,241 --> 00:11:52,721 If you've got to work for it 237 00:11:52,721 --> 00:11:55,721 and it's them, you just ask for money and get it. 238 00:11:55,721 --> 00:11:57,721 And they can buy what they want. 239 00:11:57,721 --> 00:11:58,761 54 to 20, Boris. 240 00:12:00,721 --> 00:12:02,561 I'm one of the tail end. 241 00:12:02,561 --> 00:12:05,721 You think East End boy, you know, he ain't got a no good education. 242 00:12:05,721 --> 00:12:07,721 All of a sudden, the East End boy's got a car, 243 00:12:07,721 --> 00:12:09,721 motorbike and goes to Spain every year. 244 00:12:09,721 --> 00:12:10,721 There is no education in this world. 245 00:12:10,721 --> 00:12:12,721 It's just one big rat race 246 00:12:12,721 --> 00:12:15,721 and you've got to kill your man next to you to get in front of him. 247 00:12:15,721 --> 00:12:19,401 At the end of the day, it's always them and us. 248 00:12:19,401 --> 00:12:21,721 And for me, it's still them and us. 249 00:12:21,721 --> 00:12:23,921 Obviously if you come from a bit of a silver spoon, 250 00:12:23,921 --> 00:12:27,721 you're going to get more attractive jobs and easier life. 251 00:12:27,721 --> 00:12:29,721 And an easier success. 252 00:12:29,721 --> 00:12:31,721 But that don't mean they don't have to work for it. 253 00:12:31,721 --> 00:12:35,721 I feel that the economy will bust within five years. 254 00:12:35,721 --> 00:12:39,721 Because people like myself, have been giving and giving all the time. 255 00:12:39,721 --> 00:12:42,721 We're paying. And someone's getting it. 256 00:12:42,721 --> 00:12:43,721 At our expense. 257 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:47,561 What's your feeling about Brexit? 258 00:12:47,561 --> 00:12:49,721 Brexit? Well, I was a leaver. 259 00:12:49,721 --> 00:12:52,721 I wanted to pass in my cab at the House of Commons 260 00:12:52,721 --> 00:12:56,721 and look out and think to myself, that's where we make the decisions. 261 00:12:56,721 --> 00:12:57,721 Like, Great Britain. 262 00:12:57,721 --> 00:13:02,721 And I thought to myself, you know, this is what I wanted. 263 00:13:02,721 --> 00:13:05,721 But then again, they moved the goalposts. 264 00:13:05,721 --> 00:13:09,721 And even now, nearly two years down the line, 265 00:13:09,721 --> 00:13:13,561 I'm even getting second thoughts that we should have remained. 266 00:13:13,561 --> 00:13:15,241 I would never vote Tory again. 267 00:13:15,241 --> 00:13:17,721 And I've been a Tory voter for all of my life. 268 00:13:17,721 --> 00:13:20,721 And probably I might even vote for the Greens. 269 00:13:21,721 --> 00:13:23,721 Do you have much to do with villains? 270 00:13:23,721 --> 00:13:25,721 I wouldn't say I'm a villain myself. 271 00:13:25,721 --> 00:13:28,761 I don't go thieving and I don't do anybody any harm, fighting-wise. 272 00:13:28,761 --> 00:13:31,721 Does it worry you the possibility of becoming one of them? 273 00:13:31,721 --> 00:13:34,561 How can I... how can I become a villain? 274 00:13:34,561 --> 00:13:36,921 If it's not in you, if it's not born in you, you won't become one. 275 00:13:37,761 --> 00:13:42,721 You had visions of me being in the nick in the next seven years, 276 00:13:42,721 --> 00:13:43,721 you know, and, um... 277 00:13:43,721 --> 00:13:45,721 you made a great mistake there, Michael. 278 00:13:45,721 --> 00:13:47,721 Well, thank God, yeah. 279 00:13:47,721 --> 00:13:51,721 It seemed possible, because things were pretty rough. 280 00:13:51,721 --> 00:13:52,721 I was 21. 281 00:13:52,721 --> 00:13:54,721 Everyone's allowed to be 21. 282 00:13:55,721 --> 00:13:58,721 Four to one, Cooladine... Four-and-a-half 40s. 283 00:13:58,721 --> 00:14:01,721 If your father gambles. I'll try my luck, see what he does. 284 00:14:04,721 --> 00:14:06,721 I never had visions of me being anything else 285 00:14:06,721 --> 00:14:09,721 other than a good citizen. 286 00:14:09,721 --> 00:14:11,721 I mean, I am a cheeky chappie and I'll accept that 287 00:14:11,721 --> 00:14:15,721 and I'll promise... Sometimes I push the barrier to the limits. 288 00:14:18,721 --> 00:14:21,721 But in saying that, you are giving your truthful opinion 289 00:14:21,721 --> 00:14:23,721 at that particular time 290 00:14:23,721 --> 00:14:24,921 and I've always worn my heart on the sleeve 291 00:14:24,921 --> 00:14:28,241 I have always, I like to think so, give you a credible, 292 00:14:28,241 --> 00:14:30,761 truthful, honest opinion of what is going on in my life, 293 00:14:30,761 --> 00:14:33,721 I mean, that's the way that I am. 294 00:14:33,721 --> 00:14:36,561 Tell me something, what do you want to be a cab-driver for, mate? 295 00:14:36,561 --> 00:14:37,721 All the holidays in Spain every year? 296 00:14:37,721 --> 00:14:39,721 But, son, it's hard work out there, mate. 297 00:14:39,721 --> 00:14:40,921 You're not reaching me yet. 298 00:14:40,921 --> 00:14:42,721 No, you're not getting to me. All right? 299 00:14:42,721 --> 00:14:44,721 Now, be bigger, dominate me. 300 00:14:44,721 --> 00:14:45,721 All right? Son... 301 00:14:45,721 --> 00:14:48,721 'At 28, Tony was taking acting lessons. 302 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:51,721 'Now he supplements his income with occasional TV jobs.' 303 00:14:51,721 --> 00:14:53,401 Oy! 304 00:14:54,721 --> 00:14:56,081 That's all I got on me. 305 00:14:56,081 --> 00:14:58,721 Mate, if I had a pound for every time I heard that, 306 00:14:58,721 --> 00:14:59,721 I'd be a rich man. 307 00:15:02,721 --> 00:15:04,721 It's exciting times for me. 308 00:15:04,721 --> 00:15:07,721 Because I got a part in a film and it's showing a premiere tonight. 309 00:15:07,721 --> 00:15:11,721 I've been struggling as a film extra in 1976 310 00:15:11,721 --> 00:15:14,401 when I first started on The Sweeney. 311 00:15:14,401 --> 00:15:15,761 Last year was The Child In Time 312 00:15:15,761 --> 00:15:17,721 with Benedict Cumberbatch, 313 00:15:17,721 --> 00:15:19,721 Debbie is over there at the bar. 314 00:15:19,721 --> 00:15:21,721 She's a bit nervous about it. 315 00:15:21,721 --> 00:15:25,721 I mean, hopefully I've come out with some credibility on the part. 316 00:15:25,721 --> 00:15:28,721 Most of all, I wanted to say to her if she sees her husband 317 00:15:28,721 --> 00:15:32,241 up there rather than the character, then I know I haven't done my job. 318 00:15:33,721 --> 00:15:34,721 You fucking tell that Chinaman 319 00:15:34,721 --> 00:15:36,721 he'll be in there eating egg fried rice in a minute! 320 00:15:36,721 --> 00:15:38,081 What's the matter with you? 321 00:15:38,081 --> 00:15:39,721 It's called 90 Minutes. 322 00:15:39,721 --> 00:15:42,721 But the best thing about it was the cast and crew 323 00:15:42,721 --> 00:15:46,081 all become one big family and it was a joy to go and work 324 00:15:46,081 --> 00:15:47,721 at Hackney Marshes, incidentally, 325 00:15:47,721 --> 00:15:51,721 where I used to play football and referee. 326 00:15:51,721 --> 00:15:52,721 And it was like going home. 327 00:15:52,721 --> 00:15:56,721 Would everybody please sit round now, get on with their work. 328 00:15:56,721 --> 00:15:59,721 I don't want to see any backs to me. Tony, do you hear as well? 329 00:16:00,721 --> 00:16:04,721 One of the things at the beginning of the programme is, 330 00:16:04,721 --> 00:16:07,721 "show me the child and I will show you the man." 331 00:16:07,721 --> 00:16:09,721 Erm, you look at me at seven. 332 00:16:09,721 --> 00:16:11,721 And you look at me even now at 63. 333 00:16:11,721 --> 00:16:15,721 There's no possible way that you can't say that's not him now 334 00:16:15,721 --> 00:16:16,721 and that's not him then. 335 00:16:16,721 --> 00:16:18,721 You got it right with me. 336 00:16:27,721 --> 00:16:29,721 I read the Financial Times. 337 00:16:29,721 --> 00:16:32,721 I read The Observer and The Times. 338 00:16:37,721 --> 00:16:40,721 I'm going to Charterhouse. 339 00:16:40,721 --> 00:16:46,721 And after that, to Trinity Hall, Cambridge. 340 00:16:47,721 --> 00:16:52,561 'Andrew went to Charterhouse and Cambridge, where he read law.' 341 00:16:52,561 --> 00:16:56,721 I'd like to be a solicitor. And also fairly successful. 342 00:16:56,721 --> 00:16:59,721 'At 28, Andrew was a solicitor.' 343 00:16:59,721 --> 00:17:02,721 What do you think about girlfriends at your age? 344 00:17:02,721 --> 00:17:06,081 I've got one, but I don't think much of her. 345 00:17:06,081 --> 00:17:08,721 They're no longer just bores. 346 00:17:08,721 --> 00:17:11,721 Who won't play this, or something. 347 00:17:11,721 --> 00:17:13,721 And you can begin to talk to them. 348 00:17:13,721 --> 00:17:16,721 I don't think I financially come from the same background. 349 00:17:18,721 --> 00:17:22,721 Andrew didn't go for a haughty Deb, he went for a good Yorkshire lass. 350 00:17:23,721 --> 00:17:27,721 'By the time he was 28, Andrew had married Jane.' 351 00:17:28,721 --> 00:17:30,721 I suppose the most important thing that's happened, 352 00:17:30,721 --> 00:17:31,721 is that we've had two children. 353 00:17:31,721 --> 00:17:35,241 One five years ago, Alexander 354 00:17:35,241 --> 00:17:37,561 and a couple of years later, Timothy. 355 00:17:38,561 --> 00:17:41,721 'By 34, he had become a partner in his law firm.' 356 00:17:43,561 --> 00:17:45,081 Smile! 357 00:17:45,081 --> 00:17:47,721 'Later, he joined the legal department 358 00:17:47,721 --> 00:17:50,561 'of a large British industrial company. 359 00:17:50,561 --> 00:17:54,721 'A few years after, they were taken over by a German firm.' 360 00:17:55,721 --> 00:17:57,721 So, how are the other members of the family? 361 00:17:59,561 --> 00:18:03,721 Well, Alexander, who was going out with Philippa when we last met, 362 00:18:03,721 --> 00:18:05,721 got married about three-and-a-half years ago. 363 00:18:05,721 --> 00:18:08,721 And they are now both working and living in London. 364 00:18:09,721 --> 00:18:14,721 Timothy worked for a management consultancy in the IT area 365 00:18:14,721 --> 00:18:17,721 and then decided to specialise in IT 366 00:18:17,721 --> 00:18:19,721 and has gone to Birmingham University 367 00:18:19,721 --> 00:18:21,921 and he's reading computer science there. 368 00:18:23,721 --> 00:18:25,721 'Andrew and Jane live in London, 369 00:18:25,721 --> 00:18:28,241 'but they have a second home in the country.' 370 00:18:29,721 --> 00:18:32,721 Well, we bought it just about when we got married. 371 00:18:32,721 --> 00:18:36,721 It was a 200-year-old barn that we bought in auction. 372 00:18:36,721 --> 00:18:40,081 Completely derelict, nothing in it at all except for manure. 373 00:18:42,401 --> 00:18:45,721 I remember the garden when you were up to your eyeballs 374 00:18:45,721 --> 00:18:47,081 in weeds and stuff like that. 375 00:18:47,081 --> 00:18:49,081 Well, we moved in about 35 years ago 376 00:18:49,081 --> 00:18:51,721 and we've been working on it ever since, really. 377 00:18:51,721 --> 00:18:53,081 It's a never ending job. 378 00:18:54,721 --> 00:18:57,721 I think the country has helped with him relaxing 379 00:18:57,721 --> 00:19:01,081 when he's had very intense periods of working. 380 00:19:01,081 --> 00:19:03,721 Don't you ever have any arguments or disagreements? 381 00:19:03,721 --> 00:19:04,921 Of course we do. 382 00:19:04,921 --> 00:19:07,401 And how do you tend to sort them out? 383 00:19:07,401 --> 00:19:08,721 Jane is always right. 384 00:19:10,721 --> 00:19:11,721 If only. 385 00:19:12,721 --> 00:19:16,721 He's quite strong in his decisions. 386 00:19:16,721 --> 00:19:18,721 And I'm not. 387 00:19:18,721 --> 00:19:21,721 So, it really compliments me 388 00:19:21,721 --> 00:19:25,401 that he can help me to make a decision when I'm umming and ahhing. 389 00:19:25,401 --> 00:19:28,721 Now, you be careful, sweetheart. Yeah, I will, I'll be careful. 390 00:19:28,721 --> 00:19:31,721 I think I'll hold the ladder for you.OK, thank you. 391 00:19:31,721 --> 00:19:34,721 The latest thing we did, we went to Japan a few years ago, 392 00:19:34,721 --> 00:19:38,401 and we saw some very nice Japanese gardens in Kyoto. 393 00:19:39,401 --> 00:19:40,721 And we decided we would have a go 394 00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,721 at doing something like that here as well. 395 00:19:44,721 --> 00:19:47,721 The most dangerous things I do, climb up that ladder. 396 00:19:49,241 --> 00:19:52,081 Work is pretty stressful, isn't it? 397 00:19:52,081 --> 00:19:55,721 Yeah, I'm pretty used to it now, I've been doing it for 40 years, 398 00:19:55,721 --> 00:19:58,721 so, you get pretty used to it. 399 00:19:58,721 --> 00:20:00,721 Erm, but in fact, I'm retiring at the end of this year. 400 00:20:00,721 --> 00:20:02,721 Which I'm looking forward to. 401 00:20:02,721 --> 00:20:05,721 Come on, Millie, let's go. Where are we going? 402 00:20:05,721 --> 00:20:08,721 One of the reasons why I wanted to retire now 403 00:20:08,721 --> 00:20:11,081 is really because we're relatively young. 404 00:20:11,081 --> 00:20:12,761 To make the most of that time. 405 00:20:12,761 --> 00:20:15,721 We're in a bit of a sweet spot now, 406 00:20:15,721 --> 00:20:18,721 I think, in terms of going travelling and so on. 407 00:20:18,721 --> 00:20:21,721 Maybe in five, ten years' time that won't be possible. 408 00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:24,721 And the worst thing is, you hear about people who retire 409 00:20:24,721 --> 00:20:26,721 and then just drop dead. 410 00:20:28,721 --> 00:20:30,721 Looking back, I would have liked to have spent a bit more 411 00:20:30,721 --> 00:20:32,721 time with the family. 412 00:20:32,721 --> 00:20:36,721 You know, rather than giving so much priority to work. 413 00:20:36,721 --> 00:20:39,721 When you're young and trying to make your career, it all seems 414 00:20:39,721 --> 00:20:44,721 terribly important to you to spend that extra few hours at the office. 415 00:20:44,721 --> 00:20:46,081 But in the scheme of things, 416 00:20:46,081 --> 00:20:48,721 it probably would have been better to, 417 00:20:48,721 --> 00:20:51,721 you know, go to the school play, or the sports day or whatever. 418 00:20:53,721 --> 00:20:55,721 My mother died three years ago 419 00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:58,721 and that was quite sad to see her deteriorate. 420 00:20:58,721 --> 00:21:02,721 Yeah. You realise what's in store for you. 421 00:21:02,721 --> 00:21:07,721 You can never be sure of leaving your children any worldly goods, 422 00:21:07,721 --> 00:21:09,721 but at least you can be sure that once you give them 423 00:21:09,721 --> 00:21:13,721 a good education that's something that no-one can take away. 424 00:21:14,721 --> 00:21:17,721 Did you ever resent going to boarding school? 425 00:21:17,721 --> 00:21:20,721 I did go very young and we did decide that we would not 426 00:21:20,721 --> 00:21:23,721 send our children to boarding school at such young an age. 427 00:21:24,721 --> 00:21:26,721 I think it's still an age when you really want to be the one 428 00:21:26,721 --> 00:21:30,721 who has the most influence on their lives rather than 429 00:21:30,721 --> 00:21:32,721 them spending their lives with some third-party 430 00:21:32,721 --> 00:21:34,721 who's going to influence them. 431 00:21:34,721 --> 00:21:37,721 The dream for us is that our children have 432 00:21:37,721 --> 00:21:40,721 a happy and fulfilling life. Do you think you have? 433 00:21:40,721 --> 00:21:43,721 Yeah, I think I've been very fortunate. 434 00:21:43,721 --> 00:21:44,921 But you worked for it. 435 00:21:44,921 --> 00:21:46,721 Yes. As they will have to. 436 00:21:46,721 --> 00:21:49,721 When I go home, I have tea. 437 00:21:49,721 --> 00:21:53,721 Then I practice my piano, and then I... 438 00:21:53,721 --> 00:21:56,721 One of the things about the series is the idea that you see the man 439 00:21:56,721 --> 00:21:59,721 in the child. Is that true? 440 00:21:59,721 --> 00:22:01,721 Obviously, at the age of seven, 441 00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:04,721 you're very much a product of your upbringing up to then. 442 00:22:04,721 --> 00:22:07,401 I can have quite strong feelings, 443 00:22:07,401 --> 00:22:10,721 but Jane has been quite a good influence on me over the years. 444 00:22:10,721 --> 00:22:13,721 Thank you. Making me more mellow. 445 00:22:13,721 --> 00:22:15,721 Including in my driving and that sort of thing. 446 00:22:16,721 --> 00:22:19,761 Do you think there's any truth in the ideas behind the programme 447 00:22:19,761 --> 00:22:22,721 that certain people have more options than others 448 00:22:22,721 --> 00:22:24,721 and this is an undesirable? 449 00:22:24,721 --> 00:22:26,721 We do have more options. 450 00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:30,401 And it is undesirable but it's very difficult to correct. 451 00:22:30,401 --> 00:22:35,721 I think the class system itself is now based more on fame 452 00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:38,921 and what you've achieved in financial terms. 453 00:22:38,921 --> 00:22:41,721 Achievement is obviously more appropriate 454 00:22:41,721 --> 00:22:44,241 than what class you were born into. 455 00:22:47,721 --> 00:22:50,761 What's it actually been like being in the programme? 456 00:22:50,761 --> 00:22:53,721 I certainly don't look forward to it every seven years, 457 00:22:53,721 --> 00:22:55,721 because I don't have a particularly good memory, 458 00:22:55,721 --> 00:22:57,721 it's quite interesting to me to see what I was like 459 00:22:57,721 --> 00:22:59,561 when I was younger as well. 460 00:22:59,561 --> 00:23:01,721 I think we still all feel very nervous doing this, 461 00:23:01,721 --> 00:23:05,721 but I suppose as you get a bit older, you feel less inhibited. 462 00:23:05,721 --> 00:23:07,721 Maybe going back to what you were like... 463 00:23:07,721 --> 00:23:10,721 Not quite going back to what you like when you're seven, 464 00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:13,721 but you've got less to lose, I guess. 465 00:23:24,881 --> 00:23:29,241 If we did all love Geoffrey and we all want to marry him, 466 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:34,561 I think I know the one that he'd like best. And that's her. 467 00:23:34,561 --> 00:23:36,881 She keeps changing her mind, though.Yeah. 468 00:23:36,881 --> 00:23:39,881 I don't know which one, really. 469 00:23:39,881 --> 00:23:41,881 'Sue grew up in the East End of London.' 470 00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:45,881 I don't think I'd... 471 00:23:46,881 --> 00:23:48,881 ..get married too early. 472 00:23:48,881 --> 00:23:50,881 I'd like to have a full life first. 473 00:23:50,881 --> 00:23:52,401 Marriage means a different thing to me. 474 00:23:52,401 --> 00:23:53,881 I still got my ideals about marriage, 475 00:23:53,881 --> 00:23:55,081 I dunno what it's all about. 476 00:23:56,881 --> 00:23:59,881 'Sue was 24 when she married Billy. 477 00:23:59,881 --> 00:24:01,881 'And they had two children.' 60. 478 00:24:01,881 --> 00:24:05,401 To get married young, there must be things that you miss. 479 00:24:05,401 --> 00:24:07,881 You must miss that crucial stage 480 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:09,881 of being yourself, 481 00:24:09,881 --> 00:24:13,881 because the minute you get married, you're no longer a single being. 482 00:24:13,881 --> 00:24:16,081 You're a partnership, and that should be the idea behind it. 483 00:24:16,081 --> 00:24:20,881 'By the time Sue was 34, she was divorced.' 484 00:24:20,881 --> 00:24:23,081 I've never sat down and thought, 485 00:24:23,081 --> 00:24:26,881 "What was it? Was it this, was it that?" 486 00:24:26,881 --> 00:24:28,081 I just knew it wasn't working. 487 00:24:28,081 --> 00:24:29,921 I mean, there have been relationships 488 00:24:29,921 --> 00:24:33,401 when I could have settled, but they didn't feel quite right. 489 00:24:33,401 --> 00:24:39,881 So I've always come away and pulled away and just waited 490 00:24:39,881 --> 00:24:40,881 until the right one came along. 491 00:24:42,241 --> 00:24:43,561 If they ever do. 492 00:24:43,561 --> 00:24:45,081 ♪ ..said you'd be coming back this way... ♪ 493 00:24:45,081 --> 00:24:48,881 'At 42, when we filmed Sue in the karaoke bar, 494 00:24:48,881 --> 00:24:50,881 'she brought Glenn along to watch her sing.' 495 00:24:50,881 --> 00:24:52,881 ♪ Baby, baby, baby, oh, baby... ♪ 496 00:24:52,881 --> 00:24:56,921 Well, we've been engaged now for about 14 years! 497 00:24:58,881 --> 00:25:01,881 I'm not beating any records, but it's quite a long time, innit, yeah? 498 00:25:01,881 --> 00:25:04,881 Where you going? 499 00:25:05,881 --> 00:25:08,881 So, what is the status with you and Glenn? 500 00:25:08,881 --> 00:25:12,881 We are still in the middle of the longest engagement known to man. 501 00:25:12,881 --> 00:25:16,881 We've been together now over 20 years, still not married, 502 00:25:16,881 --> 00:25:18,881 never say never... 503 00:25:18,881 --> 00:25:20,881 But no plans. 504 00:25:20,881 --> 00:25:23,881 Goldfish. See? Oh, yeah, yeah. 505 00:25:23,881 --> 00:25:25,881 We're both fine as it is. 506 00:25:25,881 --> 00:25:28,241 If we do it, it's just gonna be, "let's do it." 507 00:25:28,241 --> 00:25:29,881 A spur of the moment thing. 508 00:25:29,881 --> 00:25:32,721 We love each other, we've got a nice life. 509 00:25:34,721 --> 00:25:37,721 He came along at the right time for me. 510 00:25:37,721 --> 00:25:42,881 I've been on my own with the kids for quite a few years. 511 00:25:43,881 --> 00:25:45,881 He probably had the worst years, really. 512 00:25:45,881 --> 00:25:48,881 The teenage years, but he stuck around, bless him. 513 00:25:50,881 --> 00:25:53,881 He's been so supportive. 514 00:25:53,881 --> 00:25:57,881 There's been some medical stuff and scary stuff going on, 515 00:25:57,881 --> 00:25:59,881 and he's been there and he's been my rock. 516 00:25:59,881 --> 00:26:02,881 Sometimes we go and play nicely with the boys and sometimes we go 517 00:26:02,881 --> 00:26:04,881 and argue with boys. 518 00:26:05,881 --> 00:26:09,081 He's having a new love in his life 519 00:26:09,081 --> 00:26:11,881 which has been very, very difficult for me... 520 00:26:11,881 --> 00:26:12,881 Who are you on the phone to? 521 00:26:14,881 --> 00:26:15,881 What do you mean? 522 00:26:15,881 --> 00:26:18,881 Motorbikes. God! 523 00:26:22,561 --> 00:26:24,881 But... 524 00:26:26,881 --> 00:26:28,881 ..he does like me to get involved in this, 525 00:26:28,881 --> 00:26:31,881 and I won't get on the back of it, not yet. 526 00:26:31,881 --> 00:26:35,081 Maybe when he's had a few more years of experience under his belt. 527 00:26:38,561 --> 00:26:40,881 Have you and Glenn thought of having your own child? 528 00:26:40,881 --> 00:26:42,881 Well, Glenn got with me 529 00:26:42,881 --> 00:26:45,881 when I was in my 40s and I didn't want to do all that again. 530 00:26:45,881 --> 00:26:48,881 I would have loved to have had a baby, 531 00:26:48,881 --> 00:26:50,881 because he would make a wonderful parent. 532 00:26:50,881 --> 00:26:52,881 But the timing was off. 533 00:26:54,881 --> 00:26:56,721 So she's your baby? 534 00:26:56,721 --> 00:27:00,881 She's my new baby, yeah. My kids are my babies, but she's my new baby. 535 00:27:00,881 --> 00:27:03,081 She's our baby. 536 00:27:03,081 --> 00:27:04,881 Mine and Glenn's. 537 00:27:05,881 --> 00:27:08,881 We lost our Jesse and Jesse was the star. 538 00:27:08,881 --> 00:27:11,881 She got to a good old age and we lost her. 539 00:27:11,881 --> 00:27:13,881 The grief is unbearable when you lose a dog. 540 00:27:13,881 --> 00:27:15,561 People with pets will know. 541 00:27:16,881 --> 00:27:20,881 And then a friend of mine asked me to take her dog. 542 00:27:20,881 --> 00:27:23,721 And they brought her round to meet us. Well... 543 00:27:23,721 --> 00:27:26,881 It was like, "Well, how could you not love her? She's gorgeous." 544 00:27:26,881 --> 00:27:27,881 Hang on, Molls. 545 00:27:27,881 --> 00:27:29,881 I do quite a bit of typing, 546 00:27:29,881 --> 00:27:33,881 but a lot of my work is involved in making bookings 547 00:27:33,881 --> 00:27:35,881 and dealing with hotels abroad. 548 00:27:35,881 --> 00:27:39,881 'At 21, Sue worked for a travel agent. 549 00:27:39,881 --> 00:27:43,881 'At 34, part-time for a building society.' 550 00:27:43,881 --> 00:27:45,401 Everything has changed for me 551 00:27:45,401 --> 00:27:47,401 cos I'm now supporting myself a lot more. 552 00:27:48,561 --> 00:27:51,881 'At 42, she went back to work full-time. 553 00:27:51,881 --> 00:27:52,881 'Helping to run the courses 554 00:27:52,881 --> 00:27:57,881 'in the legal faculty of Queen Mary College, University of London. 555 00:27:58,881 --> 00:28:02,561 'At 49, she was the main administrator for their 556 00:28:02,561 --> 00:28:03,921 'post-graduate programme.' 557 00:28:03,921 --> 00:28:07,881 Do you like the responsibility? Yeah, I love the responsibility. 558 00:28:07,881 --> 00:28:10,881 I think I was born for the responsibility. 559 00:28:10,881 --> 00:28:12,761 You can't do two modules that are taught 560 00:28:12,761 --> 00:28:14,641 taught at the same time, obviously. 561 00:28:14,721 --> 00:28:18,881 It's physically impossible for us to timetable every single module... 562 00:28:18,881 --> 00:28:21,881 Nothing has really changed, I'm still working for Queen Mary, 563 00:28:21,881 --> 00:28:26,881 20 years under my belt. But I still enjoy it. 564 00:28:26,881 --> 00:28:29,881 Once you get to your 60s, it all gets a bit, 565 00:28:29,881 --> 00:28:32,881 "Ah, how long have we got now? How many years?" 566 00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:37,881 Counting down. But no. Still got the energy, thank goodness. 567 00:28:37,881 --> 00:28:39,881 So what happens when you get to your 70s, do you think? 568 00:28:39,881 --> 00:28:40,881 Oh, God... 569 00:28:40,881 --> 00:28:42,881 You tell me, Michael, you know. 570 00:28:45,881 --> 00:28:50,881 I've worked all my life, you know. I can't imagine not working. 571 00:28:50,881 --> 00:28:54,881 I work at home one day a week now, which is good 572 00:28:54,881 --> 00:28:58,241 because the Central line was killing me. 573 00:28:58,241 --> 00:29:00,881 Erm, it's such an awful experience. 574 00:29:00,881 --> 00:29:04,881 Thank you very much. See you at graduation, yeah? Bye. 575 00:29:04,881 --> 00:29:06,881 Do they have a retiring age there? 576 00:29:06,881 --> 00:29:09,881 I think mine is 66. 577 00:29:09,881 --> 00:29:12,881 I say I'm not looking forward to it, but I don't know, really, 578 00:29:12,881 --> 00:29:16,881 if I am because I can't imagine what it's like to fill your days. 579 00:29:16,881 --> 00:29:20,881 Where does the life of my respectable middle-class mother 580 00:29:20,881 --> 00:29:23,881 overlap with a working-class slapper who leaves her 581 00:29:23,881 --> 00:29:28,721 illegitimate child on a church door step?! She was not!You don't know. 582 00:29:28,721 --> 00:29:29,881 She was young... 583 00:29:29,881 --> 00:29:33,561 I still do my drama. Do my luvvie stuff, as Glenn calls it. 584 00:29:33,561 --> 00:29:37,921 I like to sing, perform and that's my hobby. 585 00:29:37,921 --> 00:29:40,881 Cheers! 586 00:29:40,881 --> 00:29:42,881 Cheers to the in-laws. 587 00:29:43,881 --> 00:29:48,881 Today we're having a very lovely afternoon tea. 588 00:29:48,881 --> 00:29:52,881 So, it's just a small gathering to celebrate my birthday. 589 00:29:53,881 --> 00:29:56,401 When I got married, the primary reason was 590 00:29:56,401 --> 00:29:58,881 because I wanted to have a child. 591 00:29:58,881 --> 00:30:00,881 The two, to me, went together. 592 00:30:01,921 --> 00:30:04,881 How are the two children doing? Brilliantly. 593 00:30:04,881 --> 00:30:06,881 They've both bought their own flats, 594 00:30:06,881 --> 00:30:08,881 they're both independent people, good jobs. 595 00:30:08,881 --> 00:30:10,881 Both my kids are single still. 596 00:30:10,881 --> 00:30:13,401 Both haven't met Mr Right. 597 00:30:13,401 --> 00:30:17,881 They seem to be happy and they are a joy to me. 598 00:30:17,881 --> 00:30:20,881 Well, I'm telling you now, that little pink cake over there... 599 00:30:20,881 --> 00:30:25,881 I do worry about the future for younger generations. 600 00:30:25,881 --> 00:30:26,881 You know, what's going to happen, 601 00:30:26,881 --> 00:30:28,881 because the NHS cannot carry on like this. 602 00:30:28,881 --> 00:30:31,881 It can't cope. It can't cope now. 603 00:30:33,881 --> 00:30:35,881 I think I'm probably the last generation 604 00:30:35,881 --> 00:30:38,881 that will get a decent NHS service. 605 00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:42,881 I don't like people that are too posh. 606 00:30:42,881 --> 00:30:45,881 They look down on everybody else. 607 00:30:45,881 --> 00:30:47,881 Do they think they're better? Yeah. 608 00:30:48,881 --> 00:30:53,881 At the roots of this film, is the class system. 609 00:30:53,881 --> 00:30:56,721 Do you think it's still alive and well? 610 00:30:56,721 --> 00:30:57,881 You are what you're born into. 611 00:30:57,881 --> 00:31:02,881 You'll never be upper-class because you're born into upper-class. 612 00:31:02,881 --> 00:31:05,721 But you can mix in those circles. 613 00:31:05,721 --> 00:31:07,881 I mean, I don't know. I've never been upper-class, 614 00:31:07,881 --> 00:31:10,881 I'm never likely to be upper-class in my life. 615 00:31:10,881 --> 00:31:11,881 Working class, always. 616 00:31:11,881 --> 00:31:13,881 I don't see why they should have 617 00:31:13,881 --> 00:31:15,881 the luck when people have worked all their lives 618 00:31:15,881 --> 00:31:18,241 and haven't got half as much as what they have. 619 00:31:18,241 --> 00:31:19,881 It just don't seem fair. 620 00:31:19,881 --> 00:31:22,921 People are struggling now, benefits are not what they used to be. 621 00:31:22,921 --> 00:31:28,881 I mean, I work in London, so I see homeless people all the time. 622 00:31:28,881 --> 00:31:31,881 I don't remember it being that bad when I was younger. 623 00:31:31,881 --> 00:31:36,241 I suspect it was there, but I don't remember it being as bad as that. 624 00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:43,081 My generation, we had wonderful support from the council. 625 00:31:43,081 --> 00:31:45,881 Which meant that if your parents were council tenants, 626 00:31:45,881 --> 00:31:48,081 you would get a council house. 627 00:31:48,081 --> 00:31:51,881 Which got me into a house, which then enabled me to buy it 628 00:31:51,881 --> 00:31:55,881 and get onto the housing ladder and change my life. 629 00:31:57,081 --> 00:31:59,081 That's not there any more. 630 00:31:59,081 --> 00:32:02,881 Now, council housing is so difficult to get. 631 00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:05,081 You've practically got to be homeless. 632 00:32:05,081 --> 00:32:09,881 What would you do if you have lots of money, but erm...Me?Two pound. 633 00:32:09,881 --> 00:32:14,241 One of the premises of the film is give me a child until you're seven 634 00:32:14,241 --> 00:32:18,881 and I will show you the man. Do you think that's true? 635 00:32:18,881 --> 00:32:20,881 I think it probably is to an extent. 636 00:32:21,881 --> 00:32:25,881 You can be born shy, you can be born as an extrovert... 637 00:32:27,081 --> 00:32:30,081 ..you can be someone who likes to make people laugh, 638 00:32:30,081 --> 00:32:32,881 you can be someone who is much quieter and deeper 639 00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:36,881 and I think that's in you, but then life happens... 640 00:32:37,881 --> 00:32:41,401 ..and every experience will change you. 641 00:32:47,881 --> 00:32:52,241 My mum and dad, thank the Lord, are still with us and fighting fit. 642 00:32:52,241 --> 00:32:55,881 Not fit, but fighting to be fit, you know? 643 00:32:55,881 --> 00:32:57,881 My mum's currently in hospital. 644 00:32:58,881 --> 00:33:02,881 I mean, I've lost family members, yeah, and everything is sad 645 00:33:02,881 --> 00:33:09,721 but I can say I've had a huge tragedy in my life yet, Michael. 646 00:33:09,721 --> 00:33:10,881 You know, we know... 647 00:33:13,881 --> 00:33:15,881 ..we know what's coming... 648 00:33:15,881 --> 00:33:16,881 Sorry. 649 00:33:19,881 --> 00:33:24,081 ♪ Smile though your heart is aching 650 00:33:24,081 --> 00:33:25,881 ♪ Smile... ♪ 651 00:33:25,881 --> 00:33:30,881 Do you think that these films have any value? 652 00:33:30,881 --> 00:33:32,881 They have a value to me. 653 00:33:32,881 --> 00:33:37,241 Because it's a lifelong achievement to be part of this programme, 654 00:33:37,241 --> 00:33:38,561 you know? 655 00:33:38,561 --> 00:33:42,881 And I'm astounded sometimes by the people I meet... 656 00:33:43,881 --> 00:33:46,561 ..and they all know about this programme. 657 00:33:46,561 --> 00:33:49,881 They may have not watched all of it, but they'll have a memory from it. 658 00:33:51,401 --> 00:33:54,881 They pick up on things I think that affect them. 659 00:33:54,881 --> 00:33:58,881 The things we go through are what everyone's going through. 660 00:33:58,881 --> 00:34:00,881 Cheers! 661 00:34:13,161 --> 00:34:19,161 When I grow up, I'd like to find out all about the moon and all that. 662 00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:24,161 'Nick, a farmer's son, grew up in the Yorkshire Dales.' 663 00:34:24,161 --> 00:34:27,161 And I said I was interested in physics and chemistry, well, 664 00:34:27,161 --> 00:34:28,161 I'm not going to do that here. 665 00:34:28,161 --> 00:34:32,161 'At 14, he was away at boarding school and at 21, 666 00:34:32,161 --> 00:34:34,161 'reading physics at Oxford.' 667 00:34:34,161 --> 00:34:36,161 So what career are you going to pursue? 668 00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:39,001 It depends whether I'll be good enough to do what 669 00:34:39,001 --> 00:34:41,161 I want to really do. 670 00:34:42,161 --> 00:34:46,161 I would like if I can to do research. 671 00:34:47,161 --> 00:34:49,161 'By 28, he had moved to America, 672 00:34:49,161 --> 00:34:52,161 'and was doing research into nuclear fusion 673 00:34:52,161 --> 00:34:53,681 'at the University of Wisconsin.' 674 00:34:53,681 --> 00:34:56,681 The fusion reaction gives off energy and produces the power 675 00:34:56,681 --> 00:35:02,521 that would be turned into electrical energy and sent out to the consumer. 676 00:35:02,521 --> 00:35:04,521 How hot is it in there? 677 00:35:04,521 --> 00:35:07,161 In there, it's at about ten million degrees. 678 00:35:08,681 --> 00:35:11,161 'At 34, he was an associate professor. 679 00:35:11,161 --> 00:35:13,161 'And at 42, a full professor.' 680 00:35:15,161 --> 00:35:17,841 My ambition as a scientist is to be more famous for doing science 681 00:35:17,841 --> 00:35:19,161 than for being in this film, 682 00:35:19,161 --> 00:35:21,161 but unfortunately, Michael, it's not going to happen. 683 00:35:23,161 --> 00:35:25,161 Now, do you want some water? 684 00:35:25,161 --> 00:35:27,161 Do you want constant water here? 685 00:35:28,161 --> 00:35:32,841 I am seriously ill. I have a cancer in my throat. 686 00:35:34,001 --> 00:35:38,161 I don't know what the prog... I don't know what's going to happen, 687 00:35:38,161 --> 00:35:43,161 so I'm not really focused on the long-term future. 688 00:35:43,161 --> 00:35:47,161 I'm focused on fairly short-term futures at the moment. 689 00:35:47,161 --> 00:35:50,161 A lot of the treatments that I've been having 690 00:35:50,161 --> 00:35:53,161 are things that are not good for your blood. 691 00:35:53,161 --> 00:35:57,161 And I'd had a couple of them in rapid succession I guess, and so... 692 00:35:58,161 --> 00:36:00,161 Yeah, my blood's a bit thin at the moment. 693 00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:05,161 Ten days ago I went in and had a blood test, 694 00:36:05,161 --> 00:36:09,161 and the nurse told me that the level of my haemoglobin was such that 695 00:36:09,161 --> 00:36:12,161 she expected me to be in a wheelchair. 696 00:36:12,161 --> 00:36:13,161 Do you have a girlfriend? 697 00:36:17,161 --> 00:36:20,161 I don't want to answer that. 698 00:36:20,161 --> 00:36:25,001 I don't answer those kind of questions. 699 00:36:25,001 --> 00:36:28,161 I thought that one would come up, because when I was... 700 00:36:29,161 --> 00:36:31,161 ..when I was doing the other one, and somebody said, 701 00:36:31,161 --> 00:36:32,161 "What do you think about girls?" 702 00:36:32,161 --> 00:36:34,161 And I said, "I don't answer questions like that." 703 00:36:34,161 --> 00:36:36,161 Is that the reason you're asking it? 704 00:36:37,161 --> 00:36:39,681 The best answer would be just to say that 705 00:36:39,681 --> 00:36:41,681 I don't answer questions like that. 706 00:36:42,521 --> 00:36:47,161 It was what I said when I was seven and it's still the most sensible... 707 00:36:47,161 --> 00:36:49,161 But what about them? 708 00:36:49,161 --> 00:36:51,201 If you'd been somebody who... 709 00:36:52,681 --> 00:36:55,161 ..had fixed ideas of a woman's role in marriage 710 00:36:55,161 --> 00:36:59,161 that meant dinner on the table at six every evening... 711 00:36:59,161 --> 00:37:01,161 Ah, didn't I tell you about that? 712 00:37:02,201 --> 00:37:06,521 'By 28, Nick had married Jackie, a fellow student from Oxford.' 713 00:37:08,161 --> 00:37:13,161 We don't want to miss out on the chance of having a significant 714 00:37:13,161 --> 00:37:16,161 career and we don't want to miss out on the chance to have kids 715 00:37:16,161 --> 00:37:19,161 and to be involved with them. 716 00:37:19,161 --> 00:37:25,001 The one moment of pure, unadulterated joy in my life was 717 00:37:25,001 --> 00:37:28,161 when my son was handed to me when he was born. 718 00:37:28,161 --> 00:37:33,161 I have never felt so optimistic, so just purely... 719 00:37:34,161 --> 00:37:38,161 ..unworried about anything as that. It was just the stra... 720 00:37:38,161 --> 00:37:41,161 it was just... phew! 721 00:37:41,161 --> 00:37:43,161 So, that's... 722 00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:46,161 Did that last forever? 723 00:37:46,161 --> 00:37:49,161 Well, no. I mean, no, it didn't. 724 00:37:51,681 --> 00:37:54,161 'By 42, they were divorced.' 725 00:37:54,161 --> 00:37:56,161 What I concluded and I talk to other people about this 726 00:37:56,161 --> 00:37:57,161 who have gone through it, 727 00:37:57,161 --> 00:38:00,161 I'm not sure if they feel it as strongly as I did, 728 00:38:00,161 --> 00:38:01,161 but it was like a death. 729 00:38:02,161 --> 00:38:05,161 If your spouse died, you could look back and think, 730 00:38:05,161 --> 00:38:07,361 "Well, it was wonderful while it lasted." 731 00:38:07,361 --> 00:38:11,361 But in a divorce, you can't look back and say... 732 00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:14,161 ..these are all happy memories. 733 00:38:14,161 --> 00:38:16,841 You can talk to me by myself outside, 734 00:38:16,841 --> 00:38:18,161 but I'll just meet you by the garage, OK? 735 00:38:19,681 --> 00:38:22,161 All right. Bye. 736 00:38:22,161 --> 00:38:25,161 'Nick's son, Adam, was ten when his parents divorced.' 737 00:38:27,001 --> 00:38:33,161 When he was first told, he was terribly, terribly upset. 738 00:38:33,161 --> 00:38:36,161 And then he just pulled himself together 739 00:38:36,161 --> 00:38:39,161 and didn't want to talk about it any more. 740 00:38:39,161 --> 00:38:43,161 Take it easy, Adam, the main thing is not to crash.Really? 741 00:38:43,161 --> 00:38:45,161 You don't want me to crash right now? 742 00:38:45,161 --> 00:38:47,161 How does he deal with it now? 743 00:38:47,161 --> 00:38:51,161 He doesn't talk to me about it very much at all. 744 00:38:51,161 --> 00:38:53,161 He's a private person. 745 00:38:55,161 --> 00:38:57,161 He's getting more mature 746 00:38:57,161 --> 00:39:00,161 and he has to be very patient with me, really. 747 00:39:00,161 --> 00:39:02,161 Can you imagine having me for a dad? 748 00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:06,161 Do you think it would be a low-pressure existence? 749 00:39:06,161 --> 00:39:09,161 Hey, Graham! 750 00:39:09,161 --> 00:39:12,681 Chris is my new wife. 751 00:39:14,361 --> 00:39:16,161 I don't mean to be superficial, 752 00:39:16,161 --> 00:39:19,161 but I think she's the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. 753 00:39:20,681 --> 00:39:23,161 And how's married life? 754 00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:26,161 Well, me being very ill 755 00:39:26,161 --> 00:39:30,161 has certainly made... been a bit of a damper on things, 756 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:34,161 but Chris is being actually a complete angel about it. 757 00:39:36,161 --> 00:39:39,161 'Over the years, Nick's research hit trouble. 758 00:39:39,161 --> 00:39:41,521 'And by 42, he was forced to abandon it.' 759 00:39:44,161 --> 00:39:46,161 When I was 13, I got hold of a book... 760 00:39:47,161 --> 00:39:50,161 ..which said that we were really in trouble because of pollution. 761 00:39:52,161 --> 00:39:55,521 And because of this, I went into this nuclear fusion thing. 762 00:39:57,001 --> 00:40:00,161 So, I made some choices to start working in this field 763 00:40:00,161 --> 00:40:01,161 that handicapped me later. 764 00:40:02,201 --> 00:40:04,161 ..cos I still can't make it work. 765 00:40:04,161 --> 00:40:08,161 There were scientists in essentially the same organisation I was in 766 00:40:08,161 --> 00:40:11,161 saying you cannot build these things. 767 00:40:11,161 --> 00:40:14,161 So, I had to pay attention. 768 00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:16,201 I had to try and do something different. 769 00:40:18,161 --> 00:40:21,161 So, the area that I'm looking at is this times this. 770 00:40:21,161 --> 00:40:26,161 'I don't know why I have a compulsion to teach, really. 771 00:40:26,161 --> 00:40:27,161 'It was just always there in me. 772 00:40:27,161 --> 00:40:30,161 'I just wanted to do it, I thought I'd be good at it.' 773 00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:33,201 So, I'm hoping that will remember me being very stupid and going, 774 00:40:33,201 --> 00:40:35,001 "Ow, there's arrows." 775 00:40:35,001 --> 00:40:36,161 Are you still teaching? 776 00:40:36,161 --> 00:40:40,161 'Yes. And my students are wonderful.' 777 00:40:40,161 --> 00:40:41,161 ..Yes! That's really impressive... 778 00:40:41,161 --> 00:40:44,161 'I'm hanging in there as long as I can with them.' 779 00:40:45,161 --> 00:40:49,161 It's great to be around them. Unless they've got a cold. 780 00:40:49,161 --> 00:40:50,841 And they are insisting on coughing on me. 781 00:40:50,841 --> 00:40:52,161 I try to get them not to cough on me, 782 00:40:52,161 --> 00:40:53,201 but it's a bit hard to... 783 00:40:55,161 --> 00:40:56,161 ..hard to deflect them. 784 00:40:59,161 --> 00:41:00,161 What attracts you about America? 785 00:41:00,161 --> 00:41:02,161 It's an exciting place to be. 786 00:41:02,161 --> 00:41:04,361 There's a lot going on, it's much easier to go out 787 00:41:04,361 --> 00:41:08,161 and get things done... than in England. 788 00:41:09,161 --> 00:41:12,161 When you came here, was it a surprise to you? 789 00:41:12,161 --> 00:41:16,161 America was quite different than I would have expected. 790 00:41:16,161 --> 00:41:18,161 What do you make of Trump? 791 00:41:20,361 --> 00:41:22,161 Oh, gosh. 792 00:41:22,161 --> 00:41:27,161 I don't know how much of what he says is for effect 793 00:41:27,161 --> 00:41:29,161 and how much he believes. 794 00:41:29,161 --> 00:41:33,161 And that's the huge question in my mind. 795 00:41:34,161 --> 00:41:37,161 Theresa May was at Oxford at the same time as me. 796 00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:43,161 You don't get to do that going to Bradford Poly. 797 00:41:43,161 --> 00:41:46,161 OK, yes, so, this was my staircase on my, in my first... 798 00:41:46,161 --> 00:41:51,841 'You're still seeing that people from the right public schools 799 00:41:51,841 --> 00:41:54,161 'continue to run the country.' 800 00:41:54,161 --> 00:41:59,161 Those people are not necessarily the ones 801 00:41:59,161 --> 00:42:02,521 who are most fit to run the country. 802 00:42:02,521 --> 00:42:05,161 They have a superficial glibness. 803 00:42:05,161 --> 00:42:08,161 They can present themselves well on a podium, 804 00:42:08,161 --> 00:42:13,161 but it's alarming that they are the only ones who have 805 00:42:13,161 --> 00:42:16,161 a clear route to running the country. 806 00:42:16,161 --> 00:42:20,841 They'd like to come out for a holiday in the country 807 00:42:20,841 --> 00:42:24,161 when we like, when I like to holiday in the town. 808 00:42:28,161 --> 00:42:29,161 Do you want to take up farming? 809 00:42:29,161 --> 00:42:33,161 No. I'm not interested in it. 810 00:42:33,161 --> 00:42:37,161 My youngest brother, the deaf one, if he can't do anything else, 811 00:42:37,161 --> 00:42:38,521 he can probably run the farm. 812 00:42:38,521 --> 00:42:41,161 But as a last resort... 813 00:42:44,001 --> 00:42:48,161 It's a fixed reference point in a sense, that sort of earthy, 814 00:42:48,161 --> 00:42:52,161 life and death cycle that you get living on a farm. 815 00:42:53,161 --> 00:42:56,161 What did you learn here, do you think, that you carried with you? 816 00:42:56,161 --> 00:43:00,161 I sort of feel that you could look deep somewhere inside me. 817 00:43:00,161 --> 00:43:03,161 I feel like there's some of this in there somewhere. 818 00:43:03,161 --> 00:43:07,841 I think of it as being magnificent but rather grim, really. 819 00:43:07,841 --> 00:43:09,201 And sometimes, it's rather tragic. 820 00:43:09,201 --> 00:43:15,201 But it makes other places you go seem rather trivial as well. 821 00:43:15,201 --> 00:43:18,161 I come up most weekends. 822 00:43:18,161 --> 00:43:22,001 I think Chris gets up usually in midweek. 823 00:43:22,001 --> 00:43:25,681 We don't get over to England very often, so you can count on one hand 824 00:43:25,681 --> 00:43:29,161 how many times you're going to see your family before somebody dies. 825 00:43:30,161 --> 00:43:35,681 And that's getting more and more pressing every time we come. 826 00:43:37,161 --> 00:43:40,521 Have I seen you since you lost your dad? No. 827 00:43:42,161 --> 00:43:47,201 I loved my dad a lot, but he was an old man and he was in his mid-80s. 828 00:43:50,161 --> 00:43:53,161 I mean, the last time I saw him there wasn't much left of him. 829 00:43:53,161 --> 00:43:57,161 He was a tiny little frail thing who didn't have much to say. 830 00:43:59,361 --> 00:44:01,161 I don't... 831 00:44:03,001 --> 00:44:04,161 OK. 832 00:44:05,161 --> 00:44:08,161 I don't know... I mean, you know me, Michael, 833 00:44:08,161 --> 00:44:11,161 I'm sure I haven't dealt with it fully.Yeah. 834 00:44:11,161 --> 00:44:13,161 But, um... 835 00:44:17,161 --> 00:44:19,161 ..yeah. 836 00:44:21,161 --> 00:44:24,161 But it's full of emotion, all of this. 837 00:44:24,161 --> 00:44:27,361 It's all the stuff that we repress as hard as we can, isn't it? 838 00:44:27,361 --> 00:44:31,521 But, um... yeah, it really is. 839 00:44:31,521 --> 00:44:36,161 If I can change the world, I'd change it into a diamond. 840 00:44:36,161 --> 00:44:40,161 I'm still the same little kid, really. Probably all of us are. 841 00:44:41,161 --> 00:44:44,161 I think I can relate to that little guy. 842 00:44:44,161 --> 00:44:48,161 He was sort of all eager and earnest. 843 00:44:48,161 --> 00:44:50,521 Trying to answer the questions. 844 00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:55,521 You know, so, yes, I think you can tell I'm still the same kid. 845 00:44:55,521 --> 00:44:59,161 I think this film is extremely important. 846 00:44:59,161 --> 00:45:01,161 It's important to me, 847 00:45:01,161 --> 00:45:03,681 but it seems to be important to other people as well. 848 00:45:03,681 --> 00:45:06,201 That doesn't make it an easy thing. 849 00:45:06,201 --> 00:45:09,161 It's an incredibly hard thing to be in. 850 00:45:09,161 --> 00:45:13,361 And I can't even begin to describe how emotionally draining 851 00:45:13,361 --> 00:45:19,161 and wrenching it is just to make the film and to do the interviews. 852 00:45:19,161 --> 00:45:23,161 And that's even when I'm pretending that nobody else is watching it. 853 00:45:23,161 --> 00:45:27,161 It isn't a picture, really, of the essence of Nick... 854 00:45:29,161 --> 00:45:32,161 ..it's a picture of every man. 855 00:45:32,161 --> 00:45:37,161 It's how a person, any person, how they change. 856 00:45:38,681 --> 00:45:43,161 It's made me think about all sorts of things more intensely 857 00:45:43,161 --> 00:45:45,161 than I probably would have otherwise. 858 00:45:45,161 --> 00:45:48,161 There are lots of issues that it raises that 859 00:45:48,161 --> 00:45:50,361 I've over stewed over over the years. 860 00:45:52,161 --> 00:45:56,161 It certainly highlights the difference 861 00:45:56,161 --> 00:45:58,161 between living in America and England. 862 00:45:59,161 --> 00:46:02,161 Relationships with spouses... 863 00:46:02,161 --> 00:46:08,161 It's given more intensity and focus by being discussed. 864 00:46:08,161 --> 00:46:11,161 What has been the saddest thing? 865 00:46:12,161 --> 00:46:16,161 Right now, I'm struggling with being ill 866 00:46:16,161 --> 00:46:21,161 and I'm very sad for the people who are being affected by that. 867 00:46:22,161 --> 00:46:25,161 Life doesn't turn out the way I expect. 868 00:46:26,161 --> 00:46:29,161 Are you frightened about it? 869 00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:31,161 Not for myself. But for them, a bit. 870 00:46:34,161 --> 00:46:36,161 Yeah, I'm frightened for them. 871 00:46:41,201 --> 00:46:46,161 'And what about the other children? Where are they now? 872 00:46:46,161 --> 00:46:47,161 'What are they doing?' 873 00:46:49,161 --> 00:46:52,161 I would like to get married when I grow up. 874 00:46:52,161 --> 00:46:54,161 I don't think you ought to go to university 875 00:46:54,161 --> 00:46:56,161 if you want to be an astronaut. 876 00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:59,001 I'm going to work in Woolworth's. 877 00:46:59,001 --> 00:47:02,161 My heart's desire is to see my daddy.