1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:13,880 >>> CBS CELEBRATES DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. >>> HAVE YOU SEEN THIS BEFORE? >> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M 2 00:00:13,947 --> 00:00:21,955 SEEING IT. >> THIS IS THE WORLD'S FIRST LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT OF THE TARGET THAT WAS BLASTED LAST 3 00:00:22,021 --> 00:00:31,364 MONTH IN A HISTORY-MAKING FUSION REACTION. AN ARTIFACT LIKE BELL'S FIRST PHONE OR EDISON'S LIGHT BULB. 4 00:00:31,431 --> 00:00:41,408 >> THE EXPLOSION ON THE END OF THIS WAS HOTTER THAN THE SUN. >> IT WAS HOTTER THAN THE CENTER OF THE SUN. 5 00:00:41,474 --> 00:00:49,015 >>> A POET ONCE DESCRIBED CYPRUS AS A GOLDEN GREEN LEAF THROWN INTO THE SEA. THE ISLAND, JUST 140 MILES LONG, 6 00:00:49,082 --> 00:00:57,957 IS WRAPPED IN SANDY BEACHES AND RICH HISTORY. THESE TURQUOIS WATERS, ACCORDING TO LEGEND, WERE THE BIRTHPLACE 7 00:00:58,024 --> 00:01:11,104 OF APHRODITE. BUT TODAY THE PLAYGROUND OF THE GOD HAS BECOME A PLACE FOR RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS WITH TIES TO 8 00:01:11,171 --> 00:01:22,715 VLADIMIR PUTIN HIDE BILLIONS. >>> HE CERTAINLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A RECORD EXECUTIVE. AND, AS WE FOUND OUT, RICK RUBIN 9 00:01:22,782 --> 00:01:30,056 DOESN'T THINK LIKE ONE EITHER. >> THE AUDIENCE COMES LAST BECAUSE THE AUDIENCE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. 10 00:01:30,123 --> 00:01:34,694 THE AUDIENCE ONLY KNOWS WHAT'S COME BEFORE. >> ISN'T THE WHOLE MUSIC BUSINESS BUILT AROUND TRYING TO 11 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:42,068 FIGURE OUT WHAT SOMEBODY LIKES? >> MAYBE FOR SOMEONE ELSE IT IS. BUT IT'S NOT FOR ME. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. 12 00:01:42,135 --> 00:01:48,041 >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. 13 00:01:48,107 --> 00:02:00,420 >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE, TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." >>> LAST MONTH, THE NEAREST STAR 14 00:02:00,487 --> 00:02:10,463 TO THE EARTH WAS IN CALIFORNIA. IN A LABORATORY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE WORLD'S LARGEST LASERS FORCED ATOMS OF HYDROGEN TO FUSE 15 00:02:10,530 --> 00:02:17,370 TOGETHER IN THE SAME KIND OF ENERGY PRODUCING REACTION THAT FIRES THE SUN. IT LASTED LESS THAN A BILLIONTH 16 00:02:17,437 --> 00:02:25,812 OF A SECOND. BUT, AFTER SIX DECADES OF TOIL AND FAILURE, THE LAWRENCE LIVERMORE NATIONAL LABORATORY 17 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:33,253 PROVED IT COULD BE DONE. IF FUSION BECOMES COMMERCIAL POWER ONE DAY, IT WOULD BE ENDLESS AND CARBON FREE. 18 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:39,092 IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD CHANGE HUMAN DESTINY. AS YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S FAR TO GO. 19 00:02:39,158 --> 00:02:47,033 BUT AFTER DECEMBER'S BREAKTHROUGH, WE WERE INVITED TO TOUR THE LAB AND MEET THE TEAM THAT BROUGHT STAR POWER DOWN TO 20 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:58,745 EARTH. >> UNCONTROLLED FUSION IS EASY - MASTERED SO LONG AGO THE FILMS ARE IN BLACK AND WHITE. 21 00:02:58,811 --> 00:03:06,719 FUSION IS WHAT A HYDROGEN BOMB DOES - RELEASING ENERGY BY FORCING ATOMS OF HYDROGEN TO FUSE TOGETHER. 22 00:03:06,786 --> 00:03:15,728 WHAT'S BEEN IMPOSSIBLE IS HARNESSING THE FIRES OF ARMAGEDDON INTO SOMETHING USEFUL. 23 00:03:15,795 --> 00:03:21,568 THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S LAWRENCE LIVERMORE NATIONAL LABORATORY HELPS MAINTAIN NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND EXPERIMENTS 24 00:03:21,634 --> 00:03:31,678 WITH HIGH ENERGY PHYSICS. AN HOUR EAST OF SAN FRANCISCO, WE MET LIVERMORE'S DIRECTOR, KIM BUDIL, IN THE LAB THAT MADE 25 00:03:31,744 --> 00:03:37,550 HISTORY, THE NATIONAL IGNITION FACILITY. >> THE NATIONAL IGNITION FACILITY IS THE WORLD'S LARGEST, 26 00:03:37,617 --> 00:03:44,991 MOST ENERGETIC LASER. IT WAS BUILT STARTING IN THE 1990s, TO CREATE CONDITIONS IN THE LABORATORY THAT HAD 27 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:53,666 PREVIOUSLY ONLY BEEN ACCESSIBLE IN THE MOST EXTREME OBJECTS IN THE UNIVERSE, LIKE THE CENTER OF GIANT PLANETS, OR THE SUN, OR IN 28 00:03:53,733 --> 00:03:59,272 OPERATING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. AND THE GOAL WAS TO REALLY BE ABLE TO STUDY THAT KIND OF VERY HIGH-ENERGY, HIGH-DENSITY 29 00:03:59,339 --> 00:04:07,280 CONDITION IN A LOT OF DETAIL. >> THE NATIONAL IGNITION FACILITY, OR N.I.F., WAS BUILT FOR THREE AND A HALF BILLION 30 00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:15,788 DOLLARS TO IGNITE SELF-SUSTAINING FUSION. THEY TRIED NEARLY 200 TIMES OVER 13 YEARS. 31 00:04:15,855 --> 00:04:22,662 BUT LIKE A CAR WITH A WEAK BATTERY, THE ATOMIC "ENGINE" WOULD NEVER TURN OVER. >> N.I.F. DREW SOME NICKNAMES. 32 00:04:22,729 --> 00:04:30,036 >> IT DID. FOR MANY YEARS, THE "NOT IGNITION FACILITY," THE "NEVER IGNITION FACILITY." 33 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:38,511 MORE RECENTLY, THE "NEARLY IGNITION FACILITY." SO, THIS RECENT EVENT HAS REALLY PUT THE IGNITION IN THE N.I.F. 34 00:04:38,578 --> 00:04:44,384 >> IGNITION MEANS IGNITING A FUSION REACTION THAT PUTS OUT MORE ENERGY THAN THE LASERS PUT IN. 35 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:50,189 >> SO, IF YOU CAN GET IT HOT ENOUGH, DENSE ENOUGH, FAST ENOUGH, AND HOLD IT TOGETHER LONG ENOUGH, THE FUSION 36 00:04:50,256 --> 00:04:56,529 REACTIONS START TO SELF-SUSTAIN. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE ON DECEMBER 5th. >> MAIN LASER OPERATION WILL 37 00:04:56,596 --> 00:05:05,805 BEGIN IN APPROXIMATELY ONE MINUTE. >> LAST MONTH, THE LASER SHOT FIRED FROM THIS CONTROL ROOM, 38 00:05:05,872 --> 00:05:13,613 PUT TWO UNITS OF ENERGY INTO THE EXPERIMENT, ATOMS BEGAN FUSING, AND ABOUT THREE UNITS OF ENERGY CAME OUT. 39 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:21,554 TAMMY MA, WHO LEADS THE LAB'S LASER FUSION RESEARCH INITIATIVES, GOT THE CALL WHILE WAITING FOR A PLANE. 40 00:05:21,621 --> 00:05:28,461 >> AND I BURST INTO TEARS. IT WAS JUST TEARS OF JOY. AND I ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY STARTED SHAKING AND -- AND 41 00:05:28,528 --> 00:05:32,665 JUMPING UP AND DOWN IN, YOU KNOW, AT THE GATE BEFORE EVERYBODY BOARDS. EVERYBODY WAS, LIKE, "WHAT IS 42 00:05:32,732 --> 00:05:39,138 THAT CRAZY WOMAN DOIN'?" >> TAMMY MA IS CRAZY ABOUT ENGINEERING. >> AND THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF OUR 43 00:05:39,205 --> 00:05:44,343 SENSORS... >> SHE SHOWED US WHY THE PROBLEM OF FUSION WOULD BRING ANYONE TO TEARS. 44 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:53,286 FIRST, THERE'S THE ENERGY REQUIRED, WHICH IS DELIVERED BY LASERS IN THESE TUBES THAT ARE LONGER THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD. 45 00:05:53,352 --> 00:06:00,760 >> AND HOW MANY ARE THERE ALTOGETHER? >> 192 TOTAL LASERS. >> EACH ONE OF THESE LASERS IS 46 00:06:00,827 --> 00:06:10,837 ONE OF THE MOST ENERGETIC IN THE WORLD, AND YOU HAVE 192 OF THEM. >> THAT'S PRETTY COOL, RIGHT? >> WELL, PRETTY HOT ACTUALLY - 47 00:06:10,903 --> 00:06:16,676 MILLIONS OF DEGREES - WHICH IS WHY THEY USE KEYS TO LOCK UP THE LASERS. >> SHOT DIRECTOR? 48 00:06:16,743 --> 00:06:27,820 READY. >> THE BEAMS STRIKE WITH A POWER 1,000 TIMES GREATER THAN THE ENTIRE NATIONAL POWER GRID. 49 00:06:27,887 --> 00:06:34,827 >> ...3...2...1...SHOT. >> YOUR LIGHTS DON'T GO OUT AT HOME WHEN THEY TAKE A SHOT, BECAUSE THESE CAPACITORS STORE 50 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:43,169 THE ELECTRICITY. IN THE TUBES, THE LASER BEAMS AMPLIFY BY RACING BACK AND FORTH. 51 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:51,110 AND THE FLASH IS A FRACTION OF A SECOND. >> WE HAVE TO GET TO THESE INCREDIBLE CONDITIONS: HOTTER, 52 00:06:51,177 --> 00:06:56,449 DENSER THAN THE CENTER OF THE SUN, AND SO WE NEED ALL OF THAT LASER ENERGY TO GET TO THESE VERY HIGH-ENERGY DENSITIES. 53 00:06:56,516 --> 00:07:08,694 >> ALL THAT WALLOP VAPORIZES A TARGET NEARLY TOO SMALL TO SEE. >> CAN I HOLD THIS THING? >> ABSOLUTELY. 54 00:07:08,761 --> 00:07:19,839 >> UNBELIEVABLE. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. >> MICHAEL STADERMANN'S TEAM BUILDS THE HOLLOW TARGET SHELLS 55 00:07:19,906 --> 00:07:28,848 THAT ARE LOADED WITH HYDROGEN AT 430 DEGREES BELOW ZERO. >> THE PRECISION THAT WE NEED FOR MAKING THESE SHELLS IS 56 00:07:28,915 --> 00:07:34,620 EXTREME. THE SHELLS ARE ALMOST PERFECTLY ROUND. THEY HAVE A ROUGHNESS THAT IS A 57 00:07:34,687 --> 00:07:40,459 HUNDRED TIMES BETTER THAN A MIRROR. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? >> IF IT WASN'T SMOOTHER THAN A 58 00:07:40,526 --> 00:07:47,333 MIRROR, IMPERFECTIONS WOULD MAKE THE IMPLOSION OF ATOMS UNEVEN, CAUSING A FUSION FIZZLE. >> SO THESE NEED TO BE AS CLOSE 59 00:07:47,400 --> 00:08:00,613 TO PERFECT AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE DO THINK THEY ARE AMONG 60 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,384 THE MOST PERFECT ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON EARTH. >> STADERMANN'S LAB PURSUES PERFECTION BY VAPORIZING CARBON 61 00:08:05,451 --> 00:08:10,690 AND FORMING THE SHELL OUT OF DIAMOND. THEY BUILD 1,500 A YEAR TO MAKE 150 NEARLY PERFECT. 62 00:08:10,756 --> 00:08:18,130 >> ALL THE COMPONENTS ARE BROUGHT TOGETHER UNDER THE MICROSCOPE ITSELF. AND THEN THE ASSEMBLER USES 63 00:08:18,197 --> 00:08:23,402 ELECTROMECHANICAL STAGES TO PUT THE PARTS WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO - MOVE THEM TOGETHER - AND THEN WE APPLY GLUE USING A HAIR. 64 00:08:23,469 --> 00:08:30,843 >> A HAIR? >> YEAH. USUALLY SOMETHING LIKE AN EYELASH OR SIMILAR, OR CAT 65 00:08:30,910 --> 00:08:36,682 WHISKER. >> YOU APPLY GLUE WITH A CAT WHISKER? >> THAT'S RIGHT. 66 00:08:36,749 --> 00:08:42,521 >> WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO SMALL? >> THE LASER GIVES US ONLY A FINITE AMOUNT OF ENERGY. 67 00:08:42,588 --> 00:08:46,792 AND TO DRIVE A BIGGER CAPSULE, WE WOULD NEED MORE ENERGY. SO IT'S A CONSTRAINT OF THE FACILITY THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT 68 00:08:46,859 --> 00:08:51,530 IS VERY LARGE. AND DESPITE ITS BIG SIZE, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DRIVE WITH IT. 69 00:08:51,597 --> 00:08:58,004 >> THE TARGET COULD BE LARGER, BUT THEN THE LASER WOULD HAVE TO BE LARGER. >> THAT IS CORRECT. 70 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:04,410 >> ON DECEMBER 5th, THEY USED A THICKER TARGET SO IT WOULD HOLD ITS SHAPE LONGER, AND THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO BOOST THE 71 00:09:04,477 --> 00:09:13,452 POWER OF THE LASER SHOT WITHOUT DAMAGING THE LASERS. >> SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A TARGET BEFORE THE SHOT... 72 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:21,394 >> TAMMY MA SHOWED US AN INTACT TARGET ASSEMBLY. THAT DIAMOND SHELL YOU SAW IS INSIDE THAT SILVER COLORED 73 00:09:21,460 --> 00:09:30,937 CYLINDER. THIS ASSEMBLY GOES INTO A BLUE VACUUM CHAMBER, THREE STORIES TALL. 74 00:09:31,003 --> 00:09:36,776 IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE BECAUSE IT'S BRISTLING WITH LASERS AND INSTRUMENTS. THIS INSTRUMENT THEY CALL DANTE 75 00:09:36,842 --> 00:09:46,319 BECAUSE, THEY TOLD US, IT MEASURES THE FIRES OF HELL. ONE PHYSICIST SAID, "YOU SHOULD SEE THE TARGET WE BLASTED 76 00:09:46,385 --> 00:09:52,692 DECEMBER 5th." WHICH MADE US ASK, "COULD WE?" >> HAVE YOU SEEN THIS BEFORE? >> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M 77 00:09:52,758 --> 00:10:02,234 SEEING IT. >> FOR TAMMY MA, AND FOR THE WORLD, THIS IS THE FIRST LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT OF THE TARGET 78 00:10:02,301 --> 00:10:10,710 ASSEMBLY THAT CHANGED HISTORY - AN ARTIFACT LIKE BELL'S FIRST PHONE OR EDISON'S LIGHT BULB. >> THIS THING IS GOING TO END UP 79 00:10:10,776 --> 00:10:18,117 IN THE SMITHSONIAN. >> THE TARGET CYLINDER WAS BLASTED TO OBLIVION, THE COPPER SUPPORT THAT HELD IT WAS PEELED 80 00:10:18,184 --> 00:10:25,558 BACKWARD. >> THE EXPLOSION ON THE END OF THIS WAS HOTTER THAN THE SUN. >> IT WAS HOTTER THAN THE CENTER 81 00:10:25,624 --> 00:10:32,465 OF THE SUN. WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE TEMPERATURES THAT WERE THE HOTTEST IN THE ENTIRE SOLAR 82 00:10:32,531 --> 00:10:37,770 SYSTEM. >> WHICH WOULD MAKE AN ASTRONOMICAL CHANGE IN ELECTRIC POWER. 83 00:10:37,837 --> 00:10:46,779 UNLIKE TODAY'S NUCLEAR PLANTS - WHICH SPLIT ATOMS APART - FUSING THEM IS MANY TIMES MORE POWERFUL, WITH LITTLE LONG-TERM 84 00:10:46,846 --> 00:10:55,254 RADIATION. AND IT'S EASY TO TURN OFF - SO NO MELTDOWNS. BUT GETTING FROM THE FIRST 85 00:10:55,321 --> 00:11:01,160 IGNITION TO A POWER PLANT WILL BE HARD. >> HOW MANY SHOTS DO YOU TAKE IN A DAY? 86 00:11:01,227 --> 00:11:08,634 >> WE TAKE, ON AVERAGE, A LITTLE MORE THAN ONE SHOT PER DAY. >> IF THIS WAS THEORETICALLY A COMMERCIAL POWER PLANT, HOW MANY 87 00:11:08,701 --> 00:11:19,278 SHOTS A DAY WOULD BE REQUIRED? >> APPROXIMATELY TEN SHOTS PER SECOND WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND THE OTHER BIG CHALLENGE, OF 88 00:11:19,345 --> 00:11:25,618 COURSE, IS NOT JUST INCREASING THE REPETITION RATE, BUT ALSO GETTING THE GAIN OUT OF THE TARGETS TO GO UP TO ABOUT A 89 00:11:25,684 --> 00:11:33,526 FACTOR OF 100. >> NOT ONLY WOULD THE REACTIONS HAVE TO PRODUCE 100 TIMES MORE ENERGY, BUT A POWER PLANT WOULD 90 00:11:33,592 --> 00:11:43,569 NEED 900,000 PERFECT DIAMOND SHELLS A DAY. ALSO, THE LASERS WOULD HAVE TO BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. 91 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:52,611 REMEMBER, DECEMBER'S BREAKTHROUGH PUT TWO UNITS OF ENERGY IN AND GOT THREE OUT? WELL, IT TOOK 300 UNITS OF POWER 92 00:11:52,678 --> 00:12:02,254 TO FIRE THE LASERS. BY THAT STANDARD, IT WAS 300 IN, THREE OUT. THAT DETAIL WAS NOT FRONT AND 93 00:12:02,321 --> 00:12:10,196 CENTER AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S DECEMBER NEWS CONFERENCE WHICH FUSED THE ADVANCE WITH AN UNLIKELY 94 00:12:10,262 --> 00:12:17,069 TIMELINE. >> TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD TO THE PRESIDENT'S GOAL OF ACHIEVING 95 00:12:17,136 --> 00:12:25,544 COMMERCIAL FUSION WITHIN A DECADE. >> WHEN YOU HEARD THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S GOAL WAS COMMERCIAL 96 00:12:25,611 --> 00:12:32,985 FUSION POWER IN A DECADE, YOU THOUGHT WHAT? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS NONSENSE. >> CHARLES SEIFE IS A TRAINED 97 00:12:33,052 --> 00:12:41,460 MATHEMATICIAN, SCIENCE AUTHOR AND PROFESSOR AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY WHO WROTE A 2008 BOOK ON THE HYPING OF FUSION POWER. 98 00:12:41,527 --> 00:12:47,566 >> I DON'T WANT TO DIMINISH THE FACT THAT THIS IS A REAL ACHIEVEMENT. IGNITION IS A MILESTONE THAT 99 00:12:47,633 --> 00:12:54,773 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR -- TO DO FOR YEARS. I'M AFRAID THAT THERE'S SO MANY TECHNICAL HURDLES, EVEN AFTER 100 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:01,280 THIS GREAT ACHIEVEMENT, THAT TEN YEARS IS A PIPE DREAM. >> THOSE HURDLES, SEIFE SAYS, INCLUDE SCALING UP LIVERMORE'S 101 00:13:01,347 --> 00:13:10,756 ACHIEVEMENT. THE DECEMBER SHOT GENERATED ABOUT ENOUGH EXCESS POWER TO BOIL TWO POTS OF COFFEE. 102 00:13:10,823 --> 00:13:22,368 THE HURDLES MIGHT BE OVERCOME, SEIFE SAYS, BUT NOT SOON. >> I HAVE A RUNNING BET THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT BY 103 00:13:22,434 --> 00:13:28,207 2050. >> STILL, BETTING AGAINST CHARLES SEIFE'S PROPHECY, ARE MORE THAN 30 PRIVATE COMPANIES 104 00:13:28,274 --> 00:13:35,114 DESIGNING VARIOUS APPROACHES TO FUSION POWER - INCLUDING USING MAGNETS, NOT LASERS. $3 BILLION IN PRIVATE MONEY 105 00:13:35,181 --> 00:13:45,257 FLOWED INTO THOSE COMPANIES IN THE LAST 13 MONTHS, INCLUDING BETS BY BILL GATES AND GOOGLE. AMID ALL THIS SPECULATION, 106 00:13:45,324 --> 00:13:51,063 LAWRENCE LIVERMORE'S DIRECTOR, KIM BUDIL, IS CERTAIN OF ONE THING. >> CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN? 107 00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:58,470 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AGAIN NEXT MONTH. BUDIL AGREES THE OBSTACLES ARE 108 00:13:58,537 --> 00:14:05,978 ENORMOUS. BUT SHE TOLD US COMMERCIAL FUSION POWER COULD BE DEMONSTRATED IN 20 YEARS OR SO, 109 00:14:06,045 --> 00:14:13,919 WITH ENOUGH FUNDING AND DEDICATION. WE LIKENED THE FIRST IGNITION TO THE FIRST WRIGHT BROTHERS FLIGHT 110 00:14:13,986 --> 00:14:21,393 WHICH COVERED ONLY 120 FEET. >> IT'S ONE THING TO BELIEVE THAT THE SCIENCE IS POSSIBLE, THAT THE CONDITIONS CAN BE 111 00:14:21,460 --> 00:14:28,801 CREATED. IT'S ANOTHER TO SEE IT IN ACTION. AND IT REALLY IS A REMARKABLE 112 00:14:28,867 --> 00:14:40,145 FEELING AFTER WORKING FOR 60 YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT - TO HAVE FIRST TAKEN THAT FIRST FLIGHT. 113 00:14:40,212 --> 00:14:52,124 >> IT WAS 44 YEARS FROM A PUDDLE JUMP TO SUPERSONIC FLIGHT. WHETHER FUSION POWER IS 10 OR 50 YEARS AWAY IS NOW MAINLY AN 114 00:14:52,191 --> 00:15:06,005 ENGINEERING PROBLEM. LAWRENCE LIVERMORE HAS PROVEN - THAT FROM A MACHINE - A STAR IS BORN. 115 00:15:06,071 --> 00:15:13,379 >>> AFTER RUSSIA LAUNCHED ITS INVASION OF UKRAINE, THE U.S. AND ITS ALLIES RESPONDED WITH SANCTIONS TARGETING COMPANIES, 116 00:15:13,445 --> 00:15:22,388 OLIGARCHS AND OFFICIALS WITH TIES TO RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN. HEADLINES TRUMPETED THE TROPHIES 117 00:15:22,454 --> 00:15:27,760 OF RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS SEIZED THROUGHOUT EUROPE - YACHTS IN ITALY, VILLAS IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE AND PRICELESS ART IN 118 00:15:27,826 --> 00:15:35,167 GERMANY. BUT THOSE FIXED ASSETS ARE RELATIVELY EASY TO LOCATE. FINDING THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS 119 00:15:35,234 --> 00:15:40,039 OLIGARCHS HAVE STASHED AROUND THE WORLD IS PROVING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT. HOW DO YOU HIDE THAT MUCH MONEY 120 00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:47,880 FROM AN INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY THAT SAYS IT'S DETERMINED TO FIND IT? THE QUESTION LED US TO CYPRUS - 121 00:15:47,946 --> 00:15:55,287 A TINY MEDITERRANEAN ISLAND AT THE CROSSROADS OF EUROPE, ASIA, AND THE MIDDLE EAST. TODAY, THE ONCE BUSTLING 122 00:15:55,354 --> 00:16:02,261 VACATION SPOT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTERNATIONAL GAME OF HIDE AND SEEK. A POET ONCE DESCRIBED CYPRUS AS 123 00:16:02,328 --> 00:16:11,804 A "GOLDEN GREEN LEAF THROWN INTO THE SEA." THE ISLAND, JUST 140 MILES LONG, IS WRAPPED IN SANDY BEACHES, AND 124 00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:16,608 A RICH HISTORY. THESE TURQUOIS WATERS, ACCORDING TO LEGEND, WERE THE BIRTHPLACE OF APHRODITE. 125 00:16:16,675 --> 00:16:26,118 BUT TODAY, THE "PLAYGROUND OF THE GODS" HAS BECOME A PLAYLAND FOR WEALTHY RUSSIANS. WE HEADED DOWN THE SOUTHERN 126 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:33,025 COAST OF THE ISLAND TO LIMASSOL. BEFORE THE WAR, IT WAS A FAVORITE SPOT FOR RUSSIANS TO THAW. 127 00:16:33,092 --> 00:16:39,898 A THREE-HOUR FLIGHT FROM MOSCOW, LIMASSOL'S MIX OF DESIGNER SHOPS, FUR STORES, CYRILLIC SIGNS AND STORES SERVING CAVIAR 128 00:16:39,965 --> 00:16:48,407 EARNED IT THE NICKNAME - "MOSCOW ON THE MED." BUT ALEXANDRA ATTALIDES, A MEMBER OF THE CYPRUS PARLIAMENT, 129 00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:54,780 SAYS AFTER THE FALL OF THE SOVIET UNION, THE OLIGARCHS WHO DESCENDED ON THE ISLAND WEREN'T HERE FOR THE BEACHES. 130 00:16:54,847 --> 00:17:01,253 >> THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL BEACHES IN SPAIN, IN PORTUGAL, IN GREECE. THERE ARE A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL 131 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:07,593 BEACHES. I THINK THAT THEY FOUND A FERTILE GROUND HERE THAT HELPED THEM. 132 00:17:07,659 --> 00:17:13,932 >> HOW DID THE RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS USE CYPRUS? >> AFTER 1989 WHEN THEY STOLE THE PROPERTY OF THE RUSSIAN 133 00:17:13,999 --> 00:17:19,805 PEOPLE AND THEY STARTED TO BUILD THEIR EMPIRES. AND THEN MAYBE THEY WERE AFRAID THAT SOMEDAY SOMETHING WOULD 134 00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:26,712 HAPPEN, SO THEY WANTED THEIR ASSETS TO BE SAFE OUTSIDE RUSSIA. SO THEY WERE LOOKING FOR TAX 135 00:17:26,779 --> 00:17:31,450 HAVENS, AND WE HAD A VERY LOW TAX RATE AT THE TIME. >> THEY GOT A PLACE TO HIDE THEIR ASSETS. 136 00:17:31,517 --> 00:17:37,856 >> YEAH. >> CYPRUS HISTORICALLY BUILT A FINANCIAL SYSTEM TO ATTRACT OVERSEAS WEALTH. 137 00:17:37,923 --> 00:17:45,264 >> MAIRA MARTINI IS AN ANALYST FOR TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL, A NONPROFIT THAT TRACKS MONEY LAUNDERING AROUND THE WORLD. 138 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:52,204 SHE SAYS FOR DECADES, IF YOU WERE AN OLIGARCH, OR JUST A SHADY CHARACTER LOOKING TO HIDE YOUR RUBLES, CYPRUS WAS HARD TO 139 00:17:52,271 --> 00:18:00,145 BEAT. >> IT OFFERS THE SECRECY AND STILL SECURITY, AND THAT'S WHAT CRIMINALS AND CORRUPT 140 00:18:00,212 --> 00:18:07,085 INDIVIDUALS ARE USUALLY LOOKING FOR. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT OFFERS SECRECY? 141 00:18:07,152 --> 00:18:12,891 >> SO, IN CYPRUS, FOR MANY YEARS YOU COULD OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT WITHOUT HAVING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED. 142 00:18:12,958 --> 00:18:24,069 YOU CAN OPEN A COMPANY WITHOUT HAVING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED, MEANING YOU CAN PUT THE MONEY THERE WITHOUT NEEDING TO TELL 143 00:18:24,136 --> 00:18:30,442 WHO YOU ARE, WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM. >> CYPRUS BECAME AS FAMOUS FOR ITS OPAQUE BANKING AS ITS CLEAR 144 00:18:30,509 --> 00:18:36,281 WATER. SOON, LIKE SUN-STARVED TOURISTS, FOREIGN MONEY STARTED POURING INTO THE ISLAND. 145 00:18:36,348 --> 00:18:42,621 >> BY 2012, THE COUNTRY OF ABOUT A MILLION RESIDENTS HAD AMASSED BANK DEPOSITS OF NEARLY 72 BILLION EUROS. 146 00:18:42,688 --> 00:18:50,529 ABOUT 30% OF THOSE BANK DEPOSITS CAME FROM RUSSIAN NATIONALS. BUT IN 2013, THE TIDE TURNED. THE DEBT CRISIS IN NEIGHBORING 147 00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:56,401 GREECE THREATENED TO SINK THE CYPRUS ECONOMY. LAWMAKERS, FEARING THE COUNTRY WOULD LOSE ALL THAT RUSSIAN 148 00:18:56,468 --> 00:19:03,375 CAPITAL, PUSHED A SCHEME OTHER COUNTRIES HAD USED TO ATTRACT WEALTH - A "CITIZENSHIP BY INVESTMENT" PROGRAM. 149 00:19:03,442 --> 00:19:09,248 >> FROM THE BEGINNING, FOR ME, THIS WAS UNACCEPTABLE. >> HERE'S HOW IT WORKED. ANY FOREIGNER WHO INVESTED MORE 150 00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:17,189 THAN 2 MILLION EUROS IN THE COUNTRY, TYPICALLY, BUYING REAL ETATE, COULD GET A CYPRIOT PASSPORT...A COVETED POSSESSION 151 00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:24,096 BECAUSE CYPRUS IS PART OF THE EUROPEAN UNION. >> SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING THE PASSPORT OF CYPRUS, THEY 152 00:19:24,162 --> 00:19:29,968 WERE BUYING THE EUROPEAN PASSPORT. THEY WERE BUYING AN OPEN DOOR TO 27 COUNTRIES. 153 00:19:30,035 --> 00:19:41,547 >> FROM 2013 TO 2020, CYPRUS ISSUED ALMOST 7,000 OF THOSE "GOLDEN PASSPORTS" - NEARLY HALF TO RUSSIANS. 154 00:19:41,613 --> 00:19:52,257 SUDDENLY, THE SKYLINE OF LIMASSOL WAS INJECTED WITH HIGH-RISE LUXURY APARTMENTS AND STORES WITH UBER WEALTHY 155 00:19:52,324 --> 00:20:00,766 RUSSIANS. >> YOU COULD SEE THEM WALKING AROUND LIKE PRINCESSES, MOVING IN THE MOST EXPENSIVE SHOPS. 156 00:20:00,832 --> 00:20:06,004 THEY HAVE THEIR BUSINESS, THEY HAVE THEIR HOUSES, THEY HAVE LUXURY HOUSES. >> BUT IN 2020, AN UNDERCOVER 157 00:20:06,071 --> 00:20:10,809 INVESTIGATION BY AL JAZEERA REVEALED CORRUPTION IN THE PASSPORT PROGRAM. >> NO PASSPORT CASE IS CLEAN... 158 00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:17,649 >> CYPRUS HAD ILLEGALLY ISSUED HUNDREDS OF "GOLDEN PASSPORTS" - SOME, TO CRIMINALS AND FUGITIVES. 159 00:20:17,716 --> 00:20:24,022 AFTER PROTESTS AND UNDER PRESSURE FROM THE E.U., THE CYPRUS GOVERNMENT SHUTTERED THE PROGRAM WEEKS LATER. 160 00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:37,269 BUT THE PASSPORTS WERE STILL OUT THERE. >> WHEN YOU GIVE PASSPORTS TO PEOPLE THAT LATER WE REALIZE ARE 161 00:20:37,336 --> 00:20:43,108 CRIMINALS, THEN YOU OPEN THE DOOR OF EUROPE TO CRIMINALS. >> THE GOLDEN PASSPORTS ALSO OPENED THE DOOR OF EUROPE TO 162 00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:48,447 RUSSIAN ELITES. "60 MINUTES" HAS LEARNED THAT AT LEAST A DOZEN OF THESE NOW SANCTIONED RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS 163 00:20:48,513 --> 00:20:56,388 WERE ISSUED "GOLDEN PASSPORTS." AMONG THEM, IGOR KESAEV WHO OWNED A RUSSIAN ARMS FACTORY. BILLIONAIRE ALEXANDER 164 00:20:56,455 --> 00:21:05,964 PONOMARENKO, WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF RUSSIA'S BIGGEST AIRPORT AND WHO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT CALLS ONE OF 165 00:21:06,031 --> 00:21:11,803 PUTIN'S "ENABLERS." AND ALUMINUM TYCOON OLEG DERIPASKA, A PART OF PUTIN'S INNER CIRCLE. 166 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:16,108 ACCORDING TO THE U.S. TREASURY, HE'S BEEN INVESTIGATED INTERNATIONALLY FOR, AMONG OTHER THINGS, MONEY LAUNDERING, 167 00:21:16,174 --> 00:21:21,947 ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING AND EXTORTION...ACCUSATIONS HE DENIES. MAIRA MARTINI TOLD US A CYPRIOT 168 00:21:22,014 --> 00:21:29,354 PASSPORT COULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR THOSE SANCTIONED OLIGARCHS TO BUY PROPERTY AND MOVE ASSETS AND THAT THE COZY RELATIONSHIP 169 00:21:29,421 --> 00:21:36,261 BETWEEN WEALTHY RUSSIANS AND CYPRUS IS RAISING CONCERN INTERNATIONALLY. >> IF YOU'RE A SMALL COUNTRY 170 00:21:36,328 --> 00:21:45,804 THAT IS VERY DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN MONEY COMING FROM ONE SINGLE COUNTRY, THIS ALSO EVEN MIGHT CREATE A CONFLICT, RIGHT? 171 00:21:45,871 --> 00:21:52,210 >> REALLY SANCTIONS ARE ONLY AS STRONG AS THE WEAKEST LINK. IS CYPRUS THE WEAKEST LINK HERE? >> I THINK CYPRUS IS ONE OF THE 172 00:21:52,277 --> 00:22:00,686 WEAKEST LINKS. >> CYPRUS MINISTER OF FINANCE CONSTANTINOS PETRIDES DISAGREES. WE FIRST SPOKE TO HIM IN 173 00:22:00,752 --> 00:22:07,159 SEPTEMBER. HIS OFFICE OVERSEES EFFORTS TO FREEZE THE CYPRUS ASSETS OF ANYONE SANCTIONED BY THE E.U. 174 00:22:07,225 --> 00:22:14,833 >> WHO HAS BEEN SANCTIONED, SPECIFICALLY, INDIVIDUALS WITHIN CYPRUS? >> REGARDING THE CITIZENSHIP, I 175 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:23,041 THINK ABOUT TEN PEOPLE WERE FOUND UNDER RESTRICTIVE MEASURES. AND THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS HAS 176 00:22:23,108 --> 00:22:28,880 INITIATED A PROCESS TO REVOKE THEIR PASSPORTS. >> THE TEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SANCTIONED, WHO ARE THEY? 177 00:22:28,947 --> 00:22:35,253 >> I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY NAMES NOW. >> BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH THAT LIST OF 178 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,559 NAMES IF WE ASKED FOR IT? >> I'M NOT SURE. I WOULD HAVE TO -- I WOULD HAVE TO SEE. 179 00:22:40,625 --> 00:22:47,432 >> WE SENT MINISTER PETRIDES A REQUEST FOR THOSE NAMES AND THE LIST OF ANY ASSETS OF SANCTIONED RUSSIANS THAT CYPRUS HAS SEIZED 180 00:22:47,499 --> 00:22:54,372 OR FROZEN. IN A SERIES OF EMAILS, OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, PETRIDES OFFICE RESPONDED THAT DUE TO 181 00:22:54,439 --> 00:23:00,746 EUROPEAN DATA PROTECTION RULES, "NO DETAILED LIST CAN BE MADE PUBLIC." BUT OTHER E.U. COUNTRIES HAVE 182 00:23:00,812 --> 00:23:07,686 PUBLICIZED DETAILED LISTS OF THEIR ACTIONS. >> SO IS THE EXPECTATION THAT EVERYONE SHOULD JUST TRUST THE 183 00:23:07,753 --> 00:23:12,991 CYPRUS GOVERNMENT THAT THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING THE SANCTIONS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ON RUSSIANS? >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYBODY 184 00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:18,296 SHOULD TRUST THE CYPRUS GOVERNMENT. THE CYPRUS GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED SOMEBODY TO TRUST IT. 185 00:23:18,363 --> 00:23:26,838 WE HAVE THE REPORTS OF THE MUTUAL ASSESSMENT FOR CYPRUS 2019 THAT SHOWS ALL THE PROGRESS MADE IN THE PAST YEARS. 186 00:23:26,905 --> 00:23:34,813 I THINK THAT WE HAVE PROVED AS CYPRUS THAT WE ARE A RELIABLE MEMBER OF THE E.U. WE DO ADMIT THAT IN THE PAST 187 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:41,753 THERE HAVE BEEN MISTAKES. BUT CYPRUS HAS ALSO BEEN UNFAIRLY STIGMATIZED. >> PETRIDES TOLD US THE 188 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:48,693 PASSPORTS OF SANCTIONED OLIGARCHS ARE IN THE "PROCESS" OF BEING REVOKED AND SAID CYPRUS HAS SEIZED 105 MILLION EUROS OF 189 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:56,101 RUSSIAN DEPOSITS...A BIG NUMBER, BUT JUST A FRACTION OF THE ESTIMATED 5.6 BILLION EUROS OF RUSSIAN DEPOSITS MADE IN CYPRUS 190 00:23:56,168 --> 00:24:05,177 LAST YEAR. WE ALSO ASKED MINISTER PETRIDES ABOUT THIS. THE DOZENS OF CYPRUS PROPERTIES 191 00:24:05,243 --> 00:24:13,118 AND ACTIVE SHELL COMPANIES WE WERE ABLE TO TRACE BACK TO SANCTIONED RUSSIANS. HE TOLD US ANY CYPRIOT COMPANY 192 00:24:13,185 --> 00:24:18,423 WITH AN E.U. SANCTIONED OLIGARCH LISTED AS THE OWNER HAS BEEN PLACED UNDER "INCREASED SCRUTINY." 193 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:25,330 BUT OFTEN, RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS DON'T LIST THEIR NAMES ANYWHERE NEAR THEIR ASSETS. TAKE THE CASE OF ROMAN 194 00:24:25,397 --> 00:24:32,771 ABRAMOVICH AND HIS PLANES. ACCORDING TO U.S. INVESTIGATORS, THEY WERE HIDDEN UNDER FIVE SHELL COMPANIES, STACKED LIKE 195 00:24:32,838 --> 00:24:40,745 RUSSIAN NESTING DOLLS, WITH ADDRESSES IN THE BVI, AND BRITISH ISLAND OF JERSEY...ALL LEADING TO AN ANONYMOUS TRUST... 196 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:51,356 IN CYPRUS. BUT IT WASN'T CYPRUS AUTHORITIES WHO ULTIMATELY MOVED TO SEIZE THE PLANES. 197 00:24:51,423 --> 00:24:57,195 IT WAS PROSECUTORS FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. >> THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN DARK CORNERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL 198 00:24:57,262 --> 00:25:02,567 FINANCIAL SYSTEM. AND KIND OF LIKE WATER FINDING A CRACK, THAT'S WHERE THE CRIMINAL NETWORKS WILL GO. 199 00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:08,974 >> U.S. DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL LISA MONACO IS IN CHARGE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S "KLEPTOCAPTURE UNIT," TASKED 200 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:15,313 WITH FINDING THE ASSETS OF SANCTIONED OLIGARCHS HIDDEN AROUND THE WORLD. >> IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE 201 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:19,551 GUY FLEEING WITH SUITCASES OF MONEY. THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE. >> IT IS NOT. 202 00:25:19,618 --> 00:25:25,357 >> IT IS CRYPTO. IT IS PLANES. IT IS YACHTS. IT IS LAYERED. 203 00:25:25,423 --> 00:25:32,264 AND SO HOW DO YOU KEEP UP WITH IT? >> EVEN THE MOST NOTORIOUS ACTORS, WHETHER IT'S THE MAFIA, 204 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:40,272 WHETHER IT'S ROGUE REGIMES, THE BEST TOOL WE HAVE IS FOLLOWING THE MONEY. >> THE MONEY HAS LED DOJ 205 00:25:40,338 --> 00:25:45,010 INVESTIGATORS AROUND THE WORLD AND CLOSER TO HOME. IT TURNS OUT, LIKE THE TOURISTS WHO VISIT CYPRUS, DIRTY MONEY 206 00:25:45,076 --> 00:25:53,551 DOESN'T STAY ON THE ISLAND FOREVER. TYPICALLY, IT'S "WASHED" AND INVESTED IN OTHER WESTERN 207 00:25:53,618 --> 00:25:59,357 ECONOMIES. INVESTIGATORS SAY THAT'S ONE WAY OLEG DERIPASKA HAS BEEN ABLE TO SKIRT SANCTIONS. 208 00:25:59,424 --> 00:26:05,263 >> WHAT THE TASK FORCE EXPOSED WAS THE NETWORK OF ENABLERS, AND MONEY LAUNDERERS, AND FACILITATORS WHO HELPED HIM HIDE 209 00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:13,772 HIS WEALTH IN REAL ESTATE HERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND IN MANHATTAN. >> IN THE UNITED STATES? 210 00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:20,679 >> IN THE UNITED STATES, IN ARTWORK, IN VANITY BUSINESSES, INCLUDING A MUSIC STUDIO IN BEVERLY HILLS. 211 00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:29,621 >> IN THEIR CASE, THE DOJ ALLEGES THAT IN 2020, OLEG DERIPASKA ARRANGED FOR ONE OF HIS CHILDREN TO BE BORN IN 212 00:26:29,688 --> 00:26:34,993 THE UNITED STATES - EVEN THOUGH HE WAS UNDER U.S. SANCTIONS. >> HE HAS A CHILD THAT'S A U.S. CITIZEN NOW? 213 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:41,399 >> HE WAS ABLE TO DO THAT IN ONE INSTANCE. AND THEN IN THE SECOND INSTANCE, THAT WAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED. 214 00:26:41,466 --> 00:26:47,739 >> BECAUSE U.S. CUSTOMS STOPPED IT. THE GOVERNMENT CASE DETAILS HOW, AS THE WAR IN UKRAINE 215 00:26:47,806 --> 00:26:56,781 INTENSIFIED, DERIPASKA USED A "CYPRUS" COMPANY TO ARRANGE "TRAVEL ON A PRIVATE JET FROM RUSSIA TO LOS ANGELES" FOR HIS 216 00:26:56,848 --> 00:27:04,789 PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND, MOVING MONEY TO RENT A HOME FOR HER IN BEVERLY HILLS. BUT WHEN SHE LANDED IN LOS 217 00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:11,129 ANGELES THIS SUMMER, SHE WAS STOPPED BY CUSTOMS OFFICERS. >> DERIPASKA, HIS GIRLFRIEND, AND THE U.S. RESIDENT WHO HELPED 218 00:27:11,196 --> 00:27:19,137 HIM ARE NOW CHARGED WITH SANCTIONS EVASION. THEY ARE NOT IN CUSTODY, BUT THE DOJ HAS ANNOUNCED PLANS TO SEIZE 219 00:27:19,204 --> 00:27:27,078 HIS U.S. PROPERTIES WORTH AN ESTIMATED $70 MILLION. SINCE THE START OF THE WAR, THE U.S. HAS MOVED TO SEIZE MORE 220 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:31,850 THAN A BILLION DOLLARS OF SANCTIONED ASSETS AROUND THE WORLD. >> SO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO 221 00:27:31,916 --> 00:27:37,722 THOSE ASSETS? >> WE ARE SEEKING THE AUTHORITY FROM CONGRESS TO ALLOW US TO USE THE PROCEEDS FOR THE BENEFIT OF 222 00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:46,197 THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE. >> OLEG DERIPASKA HAS PUBLICLY CRITICIZED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THE WAR IN UKRAINE COULD HAVE ON 223 00:27:46,264 --> 00:27:54,172 RUSSIA. BUT U.S. INVESTIGATORS MAINTAIN HE IS A "PUTIN CRONIE" WHO IS "PROPPING UP RUSSIA'S WAR 224 00:27:54,239 --> 00:28:04,883 MACHINE." BACK IN CYPRUS, "60 MINUTES" FOUND A VILLA IN THIS SEASIDE COMPLEX, OFFICES IN THIS 225 00:28:04,949 --> 00:28:10,221 BUILDING AND MORE THAN A DOZEN "ACTIVE" SHELL COMPANIES LINKED TO OLEG DERIPASKA. THE CYPRUS GOVERNMENT WILL NOT 226 00:28:10,288 --> 00:28:14,259 SAY WHETHER IT HAS FROZEN ANY OF THOSE ASSETS. 227 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:35,113 >>> HOW U.S. PROSECUTORS SEIZE RUSSIAN ASSETS. >> WE'LL GO AS FAR AS FIJI IF WE HAVE TO. 228 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:40,919 >>> RICK RUBIN IS ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED MUSIC PRODUCERS OF HIS GENERATION, AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING. 229 00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:48,893 AT 59, HE'S WORKED WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY TOP RECORDING ARTIST ACROSS ALL GENRES. IN AN INDUSTRY GEARED TOWARD 230 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:55,800 CHURNING OUT HITS, RUBIN'S FOCUS IS ON FEELINGS, AND HELPING ARTISTS GET IN TOUCH WITH THEIR MUSICAL SELVES. 231 00:28:55,867 --> 00:29:01,172 IF THAT SOUNDS SOMEWHAT MYSTICAL, THAT'S JUST FINE WITH RICK RUBIN. AFTER ALL, HIS STORIED STUDIO IN 232 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:08,079 CALIFORNIA IS NAMED SHANGRI LA, AND HE'S BEEN CALLED THE GURU BY MORE THAN A FEW OF THE ARTISTS HE'S WORKED WITH. 233 00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:16,554 IN FACT, BEFORE OUR INTERVIEW EVEN BEGAN, RUBIN CROSSED HIS LEGS, CLOSED HIS EYES, AND THEN SUGGESTED WE DO THE SAME. 234 00:29:16,621 --> 00:29:20,825 >> SHOULD WE SPEND TWO MINUTES EYES CLOSED MEDITATING BEFORE WE START? >> SURE. 235 00:29:20,892 --> 00:29:31,936 >> JUST TO, LIKE, REALLY GET HERE? >> SURE. >> LET'S DO THAT. 236 00:29:32,003 --> 00:29:39,878 >> THAT'S A FIRST. DOES MEDITATION HELP YOU CREATIVELY? >> IT CLEARS THE DISTRACTIONS. 237 00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:49,354 SAY THE DISTRACTIONS CAN GET IN THE WAY WITH A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE CREATIVE FORCE. ♪ KICK IT! ♪ 238 00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:56,194 >> RICK RUBIN IS DEFINITELY IN TUNE WITH HIS CREATIVE FORCE. OVER THE LAST FOUR DECADES HE'S PRODUCED ALBUMS AND SONGS WITH 239 00:29:56,261 --> 00:30:09,541 MORE THAN 120 ARTISTS. >> JUST KEEP THEM REALLY SIMPLE. I'M THINKING MAYBE WE START ACAPELLA. 240 00:30:09,607 --> 00:30:17,815 ♪ I GOT 99 PROBLEMS ♪ ♪ STYLING ♪ HE'S HELPED LAUNCH CAREERS LL COOL J AND PUBLIC ENEMY AMONG 241 00:30:17,882 --> 00:30:27,025 THEM... ♪ PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE ♪ ...AND IS OFTEN THE GO-TO GUY FOR ARTISTS AT THE TOP OF THEIR 242 00:30:27,091 --> 00:30:36,034 GAME, LIKE ADELE. BUT EXACTLY WHAT HE DOES, AND HOW IS DIFFICULT TO DESCRIBE. >> DO YOU PLAY INSTRUMENTS? 243 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:41,873 >> BARELY. >> DO YOU KNOW HOW TO WORK A SOUNDBOARD? >> NO. 244 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:48,012 I HAVE NO TECHNICAL ABILITY. AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MUSIC. [ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU MUST KNOW SOMETHING. 245 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:53,318 >> WELL, I KNOW WHAT I LIKE AND WHAT I DON'T LIKE. AND I'M, I'M DECISIVE ABOUT WHAT I LIKE AND WHAT I DON'T LIKE. 246 00:30:53,384 --> 00:31:01,793 >> SO WHAT ARE YOU BEING PAID FOR? >> THE CONFIDENCE THAT I HAVE IN MY TASTE AND MY ABILITY TO 247 00:31:01,859 --> 00:31:16,407 EXPRESS WHAT I FEEL HAS PROVEN HELPFUL FOR ARTISTS. >> ARTISTS ARE EAGER TO MAKE THE PILGRIMAGE TO SHANGRI LA STUDIOS 248 00:31:16,474 --> 00:31:22,847 IN MALIBU TO WORK WITH RUBIN. >> HOW MANY STUDIOS DO YOU HAVE HERE? >> THERE'S THE MAIN CONTROL ROOM 249 00:31:22,914 --> 00:31:27,118 HERE WITH THE LIVE ROOM. >> THE PLACE IS MINIMALIST, TO SAY THE LEAST. THERE'S NO MIRRORS, NO TVs, NO 250 00:31:27,185 --> 00:31:32,390 SIGNS OF RICK RUBIN'S EXTRAORDINARY SUCCESS. >> I'D NEVER BEEN IN A RECORDING STUDIO WHERE THERE'S NOT GOLD 251 00:31:32,457 --> 00:31:38,696 RECORDS AND GRAMMYS. DO YOU HAVE, LIKE, A TINY EGO ROOM SOMEWHERE? >> I DON'T. 252 00:31:38,763 --> 00:31:43,001 I USED TO SEND THEM ALL TO MY PARENTS. [ LAUGHTER ] AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE 253 00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:51,476 NOW. IT'S A DISTRACTION. IF YOU START THINKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING TO ACHIEVE THAT, 254 00:31:51,542 --> 00:31:56,748 THEN YOU'RE NOT FOCUSED ON THIS - MAKING THIS BEAUTIFUL THING. IT UNDERMINES THE PURITY OF THE PROJECT. 255 00:31:56,814 --> 00:32:01,019 >> WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE KEY AND WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE TEMPO. >> RUBIN HAS REFERRED TO HIMSELF 256 00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:05,323 AS A REDUCER - INSTEAD OF A PRODUCER. >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING THE POINT ACROSS WITH THE LEAST 257 00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:11,663 AMOUNT OF INFORMATION POSSIBLE. >> AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN A RECORDING STUDIO? YOU'RE LISTENING TO MUSIC, TO 258 00:32:11,729 --> 00:32:19,103 SOUND, AND TRYING TO STRIP IT? >> JUST TO SEE WHAT'S -- WHAT IS ACTUALLY NECESSARY. GETTING IT DOWN TO THAT ESSENCE 259 00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:27,045 TO START WITH IS REALLY HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS. >> ON OUR FIRST DAY, HE BROUGHT US IN ON A JAM SESSION WITH 260 00:32:27,111 --> 00:32:34,552 SAXOPHONE GREAT KAMASI WASHINGTON. >> WHAT ARE YOU LISTENING FOR? LIKE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, WHAT, 261 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:39,757 CHIMES, PIANO. >> YEAH. I'M NOT LISTENING TO ANY OF THOSE THINGS. 262 00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:44,529 [ LAUGHTER ] >> OKAY. WHAT ARE YOU LISTENING TO? >> I'M LISTENING TO THE FEELING. 263 00:32:44,595 --> 00:32:53,004 >> HOW DO YOU LISTEN TO A FEELING? >> WELL, MY BODY'S MOVING. I FEEL THAT MELODY AWAKEN 264 00:32:53,071 --> 00:33:01,479 SOMETHING IN ME. THERE'S SOMETHING FAMILIAR ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE. 265 00:33:01,546 --> 00:33:07,318 THE FEELING OF FAMILIARITY IS A GOOD FEELING. >> IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED BY NOW, RICK RUBIN TALKS A LOT 266 00:33:07,385 --> 00:33:12,123 ABOUT FEELINGS. >> MY AIM IS NOT TO HAVE MY PRESENCE FELT. UNLESS IT'S NECESSARY, UNLESS 267 00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:19,564 IT'S HELPFUL. >> HIS PRESENCE IS LAID BACK, LITERALLY. HE USUALLY LISTENS LYING DOWN 268 00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:25,937 AND BAREFOOT, WITH HIS EYES SHUT. YOU MIGHT THINK HE WAS NAPPING. >> I TRY TO LISTEN AS CLOSELY AS 269 00:33:26,003 --> 00:33:32,844 I POSSIBLY CAN. AND WHEN MY EYES ARE CLOSED, I FEEL LIKE I'M THERE WITH THE MUSIC. 270 00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:40,318 >> IT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE WORK, BUT RUBIN HEARS THINGS AND SENSES THINGS OTHER PRODUCERS DON'T. 271 00:33:40,385 --> 00:33:48,726 BACK IN 1993, A FEW STRAY GUITAR CHORDS ON A TOM PETTY DEMO TAPE CAUGHT HIS ATTENTION. >> TOM SENT ME DEMOS OF ABOUT 272 00:33:48,793 --> 00:33:55,633 FIVE NEW SONGS, AND NONE OF THEM REALLY STRUCK ME, HONESTLY. NONE OF THEM SPOKE TO ME. BUT THAT GUITAR RIFF THAT OPENS 273 00:33:55,700 --> 00:34:04,041 THE SONG WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PLAYED BETWEEN TWO OF THE SONGS. JUST LIKE A WARMUP. ♪ 274 00:34:04,108 --> 00:34:13,084 I DROVE TO TOM'S HOUSE AND I PLAYED IT FOR HIM. I SAID, "LISTEN TO THIS PIECE. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEST 275 00:34:13,151 --> 00:34:19,524 THING ON THE TAPE." "WRITE THIS ONE." AND THAT TURNED INTO "THE LAST DANCE WITH MARY JANE." 276 00:34:19,590 --> 00:34:25,163 ♪ THE LAST DANCE WITH MARY JANE ♪ ♪ ONE MORE TIME TO KILL THE PAIN ♪ 277 00:34:25,229 --> 00:34:29,400 >> THAT'S GOT TO BE HARD, THOUGH. YOU COME BACK SAYING, "YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE THING THAT HAPPENED 278 00:34:29,467 --> 00:34:33,671 ACCIDENTLY IN BETWEEN TWO OF THESE SONGS." THAT'S A TOUGH SELL SOMETIMES, ISN'T IT? 279 00:34:33,738 --> 00:34:38,443 >> I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL IT. [ LAUGHTER ] I'M JUST SHARING WHAT I'M FEELING. 280 00:34:38,509 --> 00:34:43,247 YOU KNOW? LIKE, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, IT'S FINE. >> RUBIN IS NOW SHARING WHAT 281 00:34:43,314 --> 00:34:48,052 HE'S LEARNED IN A BOOK, "THE CREATIVE ACT: A WAY OF BEING," OUT THIS WEEK. IT'S HIS GUIDE TO HARNESSING 282 00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:53,324 CREATIVITY, SOMETHING HE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO HIS SOPHOMORE YEAR AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY IN 1982. HIS PARENTS WANTED HIM TO BE A 283 00:34:53,391 --> 00:34:59,697 LAWYER, BUT RUBIN HAD ANOTHER IDEA. >> YOU DECIDE THE DORM IS GOING TO BE THE STUDIO. 284 00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:07,238 >> IT'S GOING TO BE THE DEEJAY BOOTH, DRUM MACHINE, PREPRODUCTION MUSIC AREA, YES. >> DID YOUR ROOMMATE HAVE ANY 285 00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:14,612 SAY IN THAT? >> HE DIDN'T, BUT HE LOVED IT. >> HE WAS GOING OUT EVERY NIGHT. HE WASN'T INTO BOOZE OR DRUGS, 286 00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:22,553 HE SAYS, THE MUSIC IS WHAT DREW HIM, AND HIP-HOP WAS JUST STARTING TO MAKE SOME NOISE. >> WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIP-HOP 287 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:29,460 THAT ATTRACTED YOU, THIS KID FROM LONG ISLAND AT NYU? >> IT WASN'T MADE BY PEOPLE WHO WENT TO THE MUSIC CONSERVATORY. 288 00:35:29,527 --> 00:35:38,436 IT WAS MADE BY KIDS WHO FELT SOMETHING. >> BUT THE FEW HIP-HOP RECORDS RUBIN COULD GET HIS HANDS ON 289 00:35:38,503 --> 00:35:44,775 DIDN'T SOUND LIKE WHAT HE HEARD IN THE CLUBS. >> IN A HIP-HOP CLUB, THE MUSIC WAS MADE BY THE DEEJAY, 290 00:35:44,842 --> 00:35:53,251 SCRATCHING RECORDS, OR PLAYING BREAK BEATS, OR USING DRUM MACHINES, OR SOME COMBINATION. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A RAPPER 291 00:35:53,317 --> 00:36:02,860 OR A GROUP OF RAPPERS. AND THE RECORDS THAT CAME OUT WERE ALWAYS A BAND PLAYING. >> AND THAT WASN'T WHAT, TO ME, 292 00:36:02,927 --> 00:36:10,801 HIP-HOP WAS. >> SO RUBIN PERSUADED RAPPER T LA ROCK AND DEEJAY JAZZY JAY TO LET HIM PRODUCE A RECORD THAT 293 00:36:10,868 --> 00:36:18,209 CAPTURED THE WAY THEY SOUNDED LIVE. THE STRIPPED-DOWN SOUND GOT NOTICED, AND RUBIN TEAMED UP 294 00:36:18,276 --> 00:36:22,446 WITH MUSIC MANAGER RUSSELL SIMMONS. >> YOU HAD A MEETING IN YOUR DORM ROOM? 295 00:36:22,513 --> 00:36:27,785 >> I HAD ALL MY MEETINGS AT THE DORM ROOM. I MET WITH RUN-D.M.C. AT THE DORM ROOM, I MET WITH EVERYBODY 296 00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:33,090 AT THE DORM ROOM. >> THAT DORM BECAME THE HEADQUARTERS FOR DEF JAM RECORDINGS. 297 00:36:33,157 --> 00:36:38,429 >> DID NEW YORK UNIVERSITY KNOW THAT YOU WERE OPERATING - NOT JUST A SIDE HUSTLE? LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WERE 298 00:36:38,496 --> 00:36:45,870 OPERATING A BUSINESS OUT OF THE SCHOOL? >> EVENTUALLY IT BECAME AN ISSUE BECAUSE OVER TIME AS DEF JAM 299 00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:51,175 GREW, THE ENTIRE MAILROOM WAS FILLED WITH BOXES OF RECORDS TO BE SHIPPED OUT. >> HIS SENIOR YEAR, RUBIN WAS 300 00:36:51,242 --> 00:36:57,014 WORKING WITH RUN-D.M.C. THE BEASTIE BOYS, AND A TEENAGE LL COOL J. AND AFTER HE GRADUATED, DEF JAM 301 00:36:57,081 --> 00:37:02,386 LANDED A SEVEN-FIGURE DISTRIBUTION DEAL WITH COLUMBIA RECORDS. >> RUBIN WAS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR 302 00:37:02,453 --> 00:37:08,726 NEW TALENT. HE HEARD A JINGLE FROM A COLLEGE RADIO SHOW AND TRACKED DOWN THE RAPPER, CHUCK D., WHO WROTE IT, 303 00:37:08,793 --> 00:37:17,802 AND CONVINCED HIM TO SIGN WITH DEF JAM. OUTSIDE 304 00:37:20,504 --> 00:37:31,549 THAT'S HOW THE GROUNDBREAKING GROUP PUBLIC ENEMY GOT STARTED. >> WHAT KIND OF AN IMPACT DO YOU THINK RICK HAD ON HIP-HOP? 305 00:37:31,616 --> 00:37:37,355 >> OH, PSHH, RICK RUBIN IS ONE OF THE PILLAR STONES OF HIP-HOP. HE DIDN'T PIONEER THE PRODUCTION, HE DIDN'T PIONEER 306 00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:44,362 THE RAP, BUT HE PIONEERED A CERTAIN ENERGY FOR IT TO BE DARING. ♪ 307 00:37:44,428 --> 00:37:51,469 >> RUBIN LEFT DEF JAM IN 1988 AND SET UP SHOP IN CALIFORNIA... ♪ ...PRODUCING SLAYER AND OTHER 308 00:37:51,535 --> 00:37:58,909 HEAVY METAL BANDS AND WELL-ESTABLISHED ARTISTS. JOHNNY CASH CREDITED HIM WITH REVIVING HIS CAREER. 309 00:37:58,976 --> 00:38:04,315 >> THE FIRST TIME I GOT TO SEE HIM WAS AT A DINNER THEATER IN ORANGE COUNTY. IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE WORLD 310 00:38:04,382 --> 00:38:10,154 HAD PASSED HIM BY. AND HE BELIEVED THE WORLD HAD PASSED HIM BY. >> RUBIN LOOKED AROUND FOR 311 00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:20,231 LYRICS THAT WOULD SUIT THE MAN IN BLACK. HE PICKED A NINE INCH NAILS SONG CALLED "HURT." 312 00:38:20,297 --> 00:38:29,907 CASH MADE IT HIS OWN. ♪ I HURT MYSELF TODAY TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL ♪ >> WOW, THAT'S INCREDIBLE. 313 00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:36,313 >> IT SOUNDED HONEST. >> IT'S BRUTALLY HONEST. >> IT'S BRUTALLY HONEST, IT'S BRUTALLY HONEST. 314 00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:42,653 >> "HURT" BECAME ONE OF JOHNNY CASH'S MOST POPULAR SONGS, AND OVER THE COURSE OF A DECADE THEY MADE SEVEN ALBUMS TOGETHER. 315 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:50,094 >> HE SHOWS UP IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT GENRES, AND HELPS THE REAL SOUND OF THOSE GENRES EMERGE. 316 00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:56,467 >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, RICK RUBIN HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BRUCE LEE ZEN-ISH, I CAN'T TEACH YOU, BUT I CAN HELP YOU EXPLORE 317 00:38:56,534 --> 00:39:02,940 YOURSELF, THAT TYPE OF THING. >> CHUCK D., LIKE THE REST OF US, IS STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW RICK RUBIN DOES 318 00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:09,313 WHAT HE DOES. >> YO ANDERSON, RICK WAS ON THE COUCH, AND I WAS WONDERING, WE'RE IN THE BOOTH, I'M 319 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:15,152 WONDERING, "IS HE ASLEEP OR AWAKE OR WHAT?" [ LAUGHTER ] AND THEN MAKES A COUPLE 320 00:39:15,219 --> 00:39:19,390 SUGGESTIONS. BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. AND SURE ENOUGH, IT UNFOLDS ITSELF. 321 00:39:19,457 --> 00:39:24,962 I'M LIKE, "AH." "DUDE'S -- HE JUST -- DID SOME RICK RUBIN -- TO US." [ LAUGHTER ] 322 00:39:25,029 --> 00:39:29,200 >> WE WATCHED HIM DO THAT WITH POP SINGER KESHA. >> I THINK WE SHOULD DOUBLE THAT ONE. 323 00:39:29,266 --> 00:39:33,437 >> WHATEVER YOU LIKE, LET'S HEAR IT. >> ONE, TWO... >> SHE WAS RECORDING WITH A 324 00:39:33,504 --> 00:39:50,888 GOSPEL CHOIR. ♪ ♪ ONLY LOVE CAN SAVE US NOW ♪ >> RICK, WHAT DO YOU THINK? 325 00:39:50,955 --> 00:39:58,796 >> IF WE WANT TO PUT IT INTO THE SONG, WE CAN CHOP IT UP. >> THIS WAS HER FIRST TIME BEING GUIDED BY THE GURU. 326 00:39:58,863 --> 00:40:04,635 >> WORKING WITH HIM HAS BEEN GENUINELY LIFE CHANGING. HE GAVE ME, LIKE, HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS. 327 00:40:04,702 --> 00:40:11,542 >> WHAT HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS? >> I WAS WRITING A SONG, AND I COULDN'T ARTICULATE WHAT I NEEDED TO SAY. 328 00:40:11,609 --> 00:40:18,449 AND HE WAS, LIKE, "GO HOME AND WRITE A FULL ESSAY ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO SAY UNTIL YOU CAN'T WRITE ANYMORE." 329 00:40:18,516 --> 00:40:30,661 AND THEN THE SONG KINDA STARTED FORMING ITSELF. >> SO HE'S NOT SAYING LET'S MAKE A GOLD RECORD THAT'S GOING TO DO 330 00:40:30,728 --> 00:40:34,899 THIS IN SALES AND -- >> GOD, NO. HE WAS LIKE, "I JUST WANNA MAKE GOOD MUSIC." 331 00:40:34,965 --> 00:40:40,704 AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S SO CRAZY. >> THE AUDIENCE COMES LAST. >> HOW CAN THAT BE? >> WELL, THE AUDIENCE DOESN'T 332 00:40:40,771 --> 00:40:45,976 KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. THE AUDIENCE ONLY KNOWS WHAT'S COME BEFORE. >> ISN'T THE WHOLE MUSIC 333 00:40:46,043 --> 00:40:54,518 BUSINESS BUILT AROUND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SOMEBODY LIKES? >> MAYBE FOR SOMEONE ELSE IT IS. BUT IT'S NOT FOR ME. 334 00:40:54,585 --> 00:41:01,425 >> MAKING MUSIC IS OF COURSE A BUSINESS, BUT WHETHER HE'S WORKING WITH MALIAN SINGER OUMOU SANGARE, KESHA, OR JOHNNY 335 00:41:01,492 --> 00:41:10,467 CASH, RICK RUBIN INSISTS FOR HIM IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A DEEPL EMOTIONAL PURSUIT. >> WE'RE TRYING TO TAP INTO A 336 00:41:10,534 --> 00:41:15,773 FEELING. WE'RE TRYING TO TAP INTO SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU WANT TO LEAN FORWARD AND PAY MORE 337 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:23,781 ATTENTION. AND I'M GIVING CUES TO LOOK FOR IN YOURSELF BECAUSE IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE ARTIST. 338 00:41:23,848 --> 00:41:28,552 >> BUT, I MEAN, THAT DOES SOUND VERY SPIRITUAL. >> IT IS. NO, IT IS. 339 00:41:28,619 --> 00:41:35,659 THE WHOLE THING IS SPIRITUAL. [ LAUGHTER ] IT'S MAGIC. >> AND YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY 340 00:41:35,726 --> 00:41:39,897 WHO, WHO'S LISTENING TO MUSIC AND THINK, "OH, THAT'S A RICK RUBIN RECORD"? >> NO, NO. 341 00:41:39,964 --> 00:41:44,802 I WANT THEM TO SAY, "THIS IS THE BEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD," AND NOT KNOW WHY. 342 00:41:53,110 --> 00:42:00,684 >>> "THE LAST MINUTE" OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED HEALTH CARE. GET MEDICARE WITH MORE. 343 00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:06,056 >>> TONIGHT, AN UPDATE ON A STORY CALLED "COUNTING THE VOTE," WHICH WE BROADCAST AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION. 344 00:42:06,123 --> 00:42:12,429 BILL WHITAKER LOOKED AT HOW PENNSYLVANIA ELECTION OFFICIALS AVERTED BALLOT BOX CHAOS DURING COVID - AMID LEGAL CHALLENGES, 345 00:42:12,496 --> 00:42:19,803 WHITE HOUSE ACCUSATIONS, AND PHYSICAL THREATS FROM DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS. AL SCHMIDT, PHILADELPHIA'S LONE 346 00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:27,278 REPUBLICAN ELECTION COMMISSIONER, CALLED THE TURMOIL "DERANGED." >> CALLS TO OUR OFFICES 347 00:42:27,344 --> 00:42:34,184 REMINDING US THAT THIS IS WHAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS FOR, PEOPLE LIKE US. >> YOU'RE GETTING CALLS LIKE 348 00:42:34,251 --> 00:42:40,557 THAT? >> YES. >> THAT'S A NOT-SO-VEILED DEATH THREAT. 349 00:42:40,624 --> 00:42:47,431 >> YES, FOR COUNTING VOTES IN A DEMOCRACY. >> TEN DAYS AGO, AL SCHMIDT RECEIVED THE PRESIDENTIAL 350 00:42:47,498 --> 00:42:54,338 CITIZENS MEDAL IN A WHITE HOUSE CEREMONY. AND PENNSYLVANIA'S INCOMING DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, JOSH 351 00:42:54,405 --> 00:42:59,109 SHAPIRO, HAS NAMED REPUBLICAN SCHMIDT THE STATE'S TOP ELECTION OFFICIAL, SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH. 352 00:42:59,176 --> 00:43:01,745 >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH