1 00:00:09,409 --> 00:00:15,815 >>> MORE THAN 350 LAWSUITS AGAINST SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES ARE EXPECTED TO MOVE FORWARD THIS YEAR. 2 00:00:15,882 --> 00:00:24,991 TONIGHT, YOU'LL HEAR FROM SOME OF THE FAMILIES WHO ARE TAKING THEM ON. >> WE'RE BEING GASLIGHTED BY THE 3 00:00:25,058 --> 00:00:28,495 BIG TECH COMPANIES THAT IT IS OUR FAULT, WHEN REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AS PARENTS IS BANNING TOGETHER AND SAYING, NO, 4 00:00:28,561 --> 00:00:38,405 YOU NEED TO DO BETTER. I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN, YOU NEED TO DO BETTER. >>> I WILL SIT HERE AND SPEAK 5 00:00:38,471 --> 00:00:45,311 TRUTH TO YOU. >> THINK YOU KNOW PRINCE HARRY'S STORY? THINK AGAIN. 6 00:00:45,378 --> 00:00:50,617 FROM RECENT ROYAL INFIGHTING LITERALLY WITH PRINCE WILLIAM. >> HE WAS SHOUTING AT ME AND I WAS SHOUTING BACK AT HIM AND HE 7 00:00:50,683 --> 00:00:55,488 SNAPPED AND PUSHED ME TO THE FLOOR. >> TO WHY HIS MARRIAGE TO MEGHAN MARKLE HAS BEEN RELENTLESS 8 00:00:55,555 --> 00:01:05,799 TABLOID FODDER. >> THE FACT THAT SHE WAS AMERICAN, AN ACTRESS, DIVORCED, BLACK, BIRACIAL WITH A BLACK 9 00:01:05,865 --> 00:01:10,103 MOTHER. >> THOSE WERE SOURCES OF MISTRUST, IS THAT ACCURATE? >> THE BRITISH PRESS IS LIKE, 10 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:16,776 HE'S CHANGED, SHE MUST BE A WITCH. >> TONIGHT, PRINCE HARRY ON "60 MINUTES." 11 00:01:16,843 --> 00:01:22,582 >>> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 12 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:29,255 >> I'M JOHN WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECELIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60 13 00:01:29,322 --> 00:01:47,173 MINUTES." >>> WHEN WHISTLE-BLOWER FRANCES HAUGEN PULLED BACK THE CURTAIN ON FACEBOOK IN THE FALL OF 2021, 14 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:53,379 THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF INTERNAL DOCUMENTS SHOWED TROUBLING SIGNS THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA GIANT KNEW ITS PLATFORMS COULD BE 15 00:01:53,446 --> 00:02:00,353 NEGATIVELY IMPACTING YOUTH AND WERE DOING LITTLE TO EFFECTIVELY CHANGE IT. WITH AROUND 21 MILLION AMERICAN 16 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:07,861 ADOLESCENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PARENTS TOOK NOTE. NOW, FAMILIES ARE SUING SOCIAL MEDIA. 17 00:02:07,927 --> 00:02:15,001 SINCE WE FIRST REPORTED THIS STORY LAST DECEMBER, THE NUMBER OF FAMILIES PURSUING LAWSUITS HAS GROWN TO OVER 2,000. 18 00:02:15,068 --> 00:02:24,844 MORE THAN 350 LAWSUITS ARE EXPECTED TO MOVE FORWARD THIS YEAR AGAINST TIKTOK, SNAPCHAT, YOUTUBE, ROBLOX, AND META, THE 19 00:02:24,911 --> 00:02:34,454 PARENT COMPANY TO INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK. TONIGHT, YOU WILL HEAR FROM SOME OF THE FAMILIES SUING SOCIAL 20 00:02:34,521 --> 00:02:38,124 MEDIA. WE WANT TO WARN YOU THAT SOME OF THE CONTENT IN THIS STORY IS ALARMING. 21 00:02:38,191 --> 00:02:45,765 BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE BECAUSE PARENTS SAY THE POSTS IMPACTED THEIR KIDS' MENTAL HEALTH, AND IN SOME 22 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:50,503 CASES, HELPED LEAD TO THE DEATH OF THEIR CHILDREN. >> THEY'RE HOLDING OUR CHILDREN HOSTAGE AND THEY'RE SEEKING AND 23 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:55,341 PREYING ON THEM. >> PREYING ON THEM? >> YES. >> THE SPENCE FAMILY IS SUING 24 00:02:55,408 --> 00:03:04,417 SOCIAL MEDIA GIANT META. KATHLEEN AND JEFF SPENCE SAY INSTAGRAM LED THEIR DAUGHTER ALEXIS INTO DEPRESSION AND THE 25 00:03:04,484 --> 00:03:09,622 AN EATING DISORDER AT THE AGE OF 12. >> WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE SLOWLY LOSING HER. 26 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:18,097 WE REALLY HAD NO COMPREHENSION TO HOW SEVERE SOCIAL MEDIA HAD AFFECTED OUR DAUGHTER. SHE WAS BEING DRAWN INTO THIS 27 00:03:18,164 --> 00:03:28,241 HIDDEN SPACE AND IT IS A DARK WORLD. >> IT BEGAN AFTER THE SPENCES, BOTH MIDDLE SCHOOLTEACHERS FROM 28 00:03:28,308 --> 00:03:31,678 LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK, GAVE 11-YEAR-OLD ALEXIS A CELL PHONE TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THEM AFTER SCHOOL. 29 00:03:31,744 --> 00:03:36,416 >> WE HAD VERY STRICT RULES FROM THE MOMENT SHE HAD THE PHONE. THE PHONE WAS NEVER ALLOWED IN THE ROOM AT NIGHT. 30 00:03:36,482 --> 00:03:40,987 WE WOULD KEEP THE PHONE IN THE HALL. >> WE CHECKED THE PHONES. WE PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE 31 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:46,326 PHONES. >> I WOULD WAIT FOR MY PARENTS TO FALL ASLEEP AND SIT IN THE HALLWAY OR SNEAK MY PHONE IN MY 32 00:03:46,392 --> 00:03:51,297 ROOM. I WASN'T ALLOWED TO USE A LOT OF APPS AND THEY HAD A LOT OF PARENTAL CONTROLS ON. 33 00:03:51,364 --> 00:03:56,002 >> SO HOW QUICKLY DID YOU FIGURE OUT A WAY AROUND THE RESTRICTIONS? >> PRETTY QUICKLY. 34 00:03:56,069 --> 00:04:03,209 >> HOPING TO CONNECT AND KEEP UP WITH FRIENDS, ALEXIS JOINED INSTAGRAM. INSTAGRAM POLICY MANDATES USERS 35 00:04:03,276 --> 00:04:10,783 ARE 13 YEARS OLD. ALEXIS WAS 11. >> I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BE 13. >> IT ASKS ARE YOU 13 YEARS OR 36 00:04:10,850 --> 00:04:16,155 OLDER? I CHECKED THE BOX YES AND KEPT GOING. >> AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY 37 00:04:16,222 --> 00:04:19,826 CHECKS? >> NO. NO VERIFICATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 38 00:04:19,892 --> 00:04:24,530 >> IF I PICKED UP YOUR PHONE, WOULD I HAVE SEEN THE INSTAGRAM APP ON THERE? >> NO. 39 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:33,106 THERE WERE APPS YOU COULD USE TO DISGUISE IT AS ANOTHER APP SO YOU COULD DOWNLOAD A CALCULATOR, CALCULATOR, BUT IT IS INSTAGRAM. 40 00:04:33,172 --> 00:04:38,077 >> THERE WAS ALWAYS SOME WORK AROUND. >> SHE WAS OUTWITTING YOU? >> OUTWITTING US. 41 00:04:38,144 --> 00:04:45,018 >> SHE WAS ADDICTED TO SOCIAL MEDIA. AND WE COULDN'T STOP IT. IT WAS MUCH BIGGER THAN US. 42 00:04:45,084 --> 00:04:52,525 >> NOW, 20, ALEXIS SAYS AN INNOCENT SEARCH ON INSTAGRAM FOR FITNESS ROUTINES LED HER INTO A DARK WORLD. 43 00:04:52,592 --> 00:04:58,364 >> STARTED AS LIKE FITNESS STUFF AND THEN I GUESS THAT WOULD SPARK THE ALGORITHM TO SHOW ME DIETS, THEN STARTED TO SHIFT 44 00:04:58,431 --> 00:05:05,805 INTO EATING DISORDERS. >> WHAT WERE YOU SEEING? >> PEOPLE WOULD POST PHOTOS OF THEMSELVES WHO WERE VERY SICKLY 45 00:05:05,872 --> 00:05:13,046 OR JUST VERY THIN, AND USING THEM TO PROMOTE EATING DISORDERS. >> THESE ARE SOME OF THE IMAGES 46 00:05:13,112 --> 00:05:23,589 THAT WERE SENT TO ALEXIS THROUGH INSTAGRAM'S ALGORITHMS, WHICH PROCESS THE USERS' BROWSING HISTORY AND PERSONAL DATA, THEN 47 00:05:23,656 --> 00:05:29,028 PUSH CONTENT TO THEM THEY NEVER DIRECTLY ASKED FOR. >> WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM LOOKING AT THESE PRO ANOREXIC 48 00:05:29,095 --> 00:05:38,571 WEBSITES? >> A LOT. LEARNING ABOUT DIET PILLS AND HOW TO LOSE WEIGHT WHEN YOU'RE 49 00:05:38,638 --> 00:05:44,510 11 AND GOING THROUGH PUBERTY AND YOUR BODY IS SUPPOSED TO BE CHANGING, IT'S HARD. >> WHEN DID THAT STOP BEING 50 00:05:44,577 --> 00:05:51,451 SOMETHING THAT YOU LOOKED AT AND START BEING SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE DOING TO YOURSELF? >> WITHIN MONTHS. 51 00:05:51,517 --> 00:05:55,054 >> DID IT NORMALIZE IT FOR YOU? DID YOU THINK, WELL, OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS? >> DEFINITELY. 52 00:05:55,121 --> 00:06:00,326 THEY NEEDED HELP. I NEEDED HELP. AND INSTEAD OF GETTING HELP, I WAS GETTING ADVICE ON HOW TO 53 00:06:00,393 --> 00:06:05,898 CONTINUE. >> BY THE TIME SHE WAS 12, ALEXIS HAD DEVELOPED AN EATING DISORDER. 54 00:06:05,965 --> 00:06:12,605 SHE HAD MULTIPLE INSTAGRAM ACCOUNTS AND SAYS SHE WOULD SPEND FIVE HOURS A DAY SCROLLING THROUGH THE APP, EVEN THOUGH IT 55 00:06:12,672 --> 00:06:22,749 OFTEN MADE HER FEEL DEPRESSED. SHE DREW THIS PICTURE OF HERSELF IN HER DIARY, CRYING, SURROUNDED BY HER PHONE AND LAPTOP, WITH 56 00:06:22,815 --> 00:06:28,688 THOUGHTS READING, STUPID, FAT, KILL YOURSELF. >> I WAS STRUGGLING WITH MY MENTAL HEALTH. 57 00:06:28,755 --> 00:06:37,630 I WAS STRUGGLING WITH MY DEPRESSION AND MY BODY IMAGE AND SOCIAL MEDIA DID NOT HELP WITH MY CONFIDENCE. 58 00:06:37,697 --> 00:06:43,336 IF ANYTHING, IT MADE ME LIKE HATE MYSELF. >> IT ALL CAME A HEAD HER SOPHOMORE YEAR WHEN ALEXIS 59 00:06:43,402 --> 00:06:50,143 POSTED ON INSTAGRAM SHE DIDN'T DESERVE TO EXIST. A FRIEND ALERTED A SCHOOL COUNSELOR. 60 00:06:50,209 --> 00:06:55,448 >> THAT WAS THE SCARIEST DAY OF OUR LIVES. I GOT A CALL TO COME TO THE SCHOOL. 61 00:06:55,515 --> 00:07:05,224 AND I WENT THERE. AND THEY WERE JUST SHOWING ME ALL OF THESE INSTAGRAM POSTS OF HOW ALEXIS WANTED TO KILL 62 00:07:05,291 --> 00:07:15,735 HERSELF AND HURT HERSELF AND IF INSTAGRAM IS REALLY -- HAS ALL THIS SOFTWARE TO PROTECT THEM, WHY WAS THAT NOT FLAGGED, WHY 63 00:07:15,802 --> 00:07:21,307 WAS THAT NOT IDENTIFIED? >> THIS PREVIOUSLY UNPUBLISHED INTERNAL DOCUMENT REVEALS FACEBOOK KNEW INSTAGRAM WAS 64 00:07:21,374 --> 00:07:28,714 PUSHING GIRLS TO DANGEROUS CONTENT. IT SAYS IN 2021, AN INSTAGRAM EMPLOYEE RAN AN INTERNAL 65 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:34,520 INVESTIGATION ON EATING DISORDERS BY OPENING UP A FALSE ACCOUNT AS A 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL LOOKING FOR DIET TIPS. 66 00:07:34,587 --> 00:07:43,596 SHE WAS LED TO THIS CONTENT AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO FOLLOW SKINNY BINGE, AND APPLE CORE ANOREXIC. OTHER MEMOS SHOW FACEBOOK 67 00:07:43,663 --> 00:07:54,507 EMPLOYEES RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT COMPANY RESEARCH THAT SHOWS INSTAGRAM MADE 1 IN 3 TEEN GIRLS FEEL WORSE ABOUT THEIR BODIES 68 00:07:54,574 --> 00:08:03,583 AND FELT HIGHER RATES OF ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION. WHAT WAS IT LIKE WHEN YOU SAW THOSE FACEBOOK PAPERS FOR THE 69 00:08:03,649 --> 00:08:13,492 FIRST TIME? >> SICKENING. THE FACT THAT I WAS SITTING THERE, STRUGGLING, AND HOPING TO 70 00:08:13,559 --> 00:08:20,766 SAVE MY DAUGHTER'S LIFE, AND THEY HAD ALL THESE DOCUMENTS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT THEY COULD HAVE PROTECTED HER, AND 71 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:25,371 THEY CHOSE TO IGNORE THAT RESEARCH. >> ATTORNEY MATT BERGMAN REPRESENTS THE SPENCE FAMILY. 72 00:08:25,438 --> 00:08:32,745 HE STARTED THE SOCIAL MEDIA VICTIMS LAW CENTER AFTER READING THE FACEBOOK PAPERS. AND IS NOW WORKING WITH MORE 73 00:08:32,812 --> 00:08:38,818 THAN 1800 FAMILIES WHO ARE PURSUING LAWSUITS AGAINST SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES LIKE META. >> TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WHEN 74 00:08:38,885 --> 00:08:45,958 THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SAFETY OF OUR KIDS AND PROFITS, THEY ALWAYS CHOOSE PROFITS. 75 00:08:46,025 --> 00:09:01,274 >> THIS SUMMER, BERGMAN AND HIS TEAM ARE STARTING THE DISCOVERY PROCESS FOR THE CASE AGAINST META AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA 76 00:09:01,340 --> 00:09:05,878 COMPANIES, A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR SUIT THAT HE SAYS IS MORE ABOUT CHANGE IN POLICY THAN FINANCIAL COMPENSATION. 77 00:09:05,945 --> 00:09:11,450 BERGMAN SPENT 25 YEARS AS A PRODUCT LIABILITY ATTORNEY, SPECIALIZING IN ASBESTOS AND MESOTHELIOMA CASES. 78 00:09:11,517 --> 00:09:15,755 HE ARGUES THE DESIGN OF SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS IS ULTIMATELY HURTING KIDS. >> THEY HAVE INTENTIONALLY 79 00:09:15,821 --> 00:09:22,962 DESIGNED A PRODUCT THAT IS ADDICTIVE. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IF CHILDREN STAY ONLINE, THEY MAKE MORE 80 00:09:23,029 --> 00:09:29,135 MONEY. DOESN'T MATTER HOW HARMFUL THE MATERIAL IS. >> THE FACT THAT THESE KIDS 81 00:09:29,201 --> 00:09:39,545 ENDED UP SEEING THE THINGS THAT THEY SAW THAT WERE SO DISTURBING WASN'T BY ACCIDENT. IT WAS BY DESIGN. 82 00:09:39,612 --> 00:09:43,316 >> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. >> ISN'T IT THE PARENTS' JOB TO MONITOR THIS STUFF? 83 00:09:43,382 --> 00:09:48,387 >> WELL, OF COURSE IT IS. I'M ALL FOR PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY. BUT THESE PRODUCTS ARE 84 00:09:48,454 --> 00:09:53,159 EXPLICITLY DESIGNED TO EVADE PARENTAL AUTHORITY. >> WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? >> NUMBER ONE IS AGENT IDENTITY 85 00:09:53,225 --> 00:09:58,364 VERIFICATION. THAT TECHNOLOGY EXISTS. IF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO HOOK UP ON TINDER, THERE IS TECHNOLOGY 86 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:02,601 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE. NUMBER TWO, TURN OFF THE ALGORITHMS. 87 00:10:02,668 --> 00:10:07,907 THERE IS NO REASON WHY ALEXIS SPENCE, WHO WAS INTERESTED IN EXERCISE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARD ANOREXIC 88 00:10:07,974 --> 00:10:16,782 CONTENT. NUMBER THREE, WARNINGS SO THAT PARENTS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. LET'S BE REALISTIC, YOU'RE NEVER 89 00:10:16,849 --> 00:10:25,958 GOING TO HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS BE 100% SAFE, BUT THESE CHANGES WOULD MAKE THEM SAFER. 90 00:10:26,025 --> 00:10:32,531 >> HER FAVORITE POSE. >> RIGHT NOW THE ROBERTS FAMILY SAYS SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOT SAFE FOR KIDS. 91 00:10:32,598 --> 00:10:38,604 ENGLAND ROBERTS WAS THE BABY IN A LARGE FAMILY. THE CENTER OF HER PARENTS TONY AND BRANDY'S WORLD. 92 00:10:38,671 --> 00:10:44,577 ♪ ♪ >> SHE MADE EVERY DAY -- >> SPECIAL. >> EVERY DAY. 93 00:10:44,643 --> 00:10:51,150 EVERY DAY FELT LIKE CHRISTMAS HERE. >> BUT ENGLAND'S LIFE ONLINE TOLD A DIFFERENT STORY AS THE 94 00:10:51,217 --> 00:10:57,556 PANDEMIC PLAYED OUT, ENGLAND WROTE ABOUT STRUGGLES WITH SELF-WORTH, RELATIONSHIPS AND MENTAL HEALTH. 95 00:10:57,623 --> 00:11:06,599 ONE AUGUST NIGHT IN 2020, JUST A FEW HOURS AFTER TONY AND BRANDY KISSED THEIR 14-YEAR-OLD SMILING DAUGHTER GOOD NIGHT, BRANDY 96 00:11:06,665 --> 00:11:12,671 RECEIVED A TEXT FROM A PARENT OF ONE OF ENGLAND'S FRIENDS, WHO WAS WORRIED ABOUT ENGLAND AND SUGGESTED THEY CHECK ON HER. 97 00:11:12,738 --> 00:11:17,610 >> WE WENT UPSTAIRS AND CHECKED AND HER DOOR WAS LOCKED AND THAT WAS KIND OF ODD. BUT I TOOK THE KEY FROM THE TOP 98 00:11:17,676 --> 00:11:29,588 AND WE OPENED THE DOOR AND NO ENGLAND. AND WHEN I TURNED AROUND, THAT'S WHEN I FOUND HER. 99 00:11:29,655 --> 00:11:43,669 WHEN YOU FIND YOUR CHILD HANGING AND YOU ARE IN THAT MOMENT IN DISBELIEF IS JUST NO WAY, NOT OUR BABY, NOT OUR CHILD, AND 100 00:11:43,736 --> 00:11:52,611 THEN ULTIMATELY I FAULT MYSELF. >> WHY DO YOU FAULT YOURSELF? >> I'M HER DAD. I'M SUPPOSED TO KNOW. 101 00:11:52,678 --> 00:12:00,486 >> PRIOR TO THAT NIGHT, YOU HAD NO IDEA SHE WAS DEPRESSED? >> NOT EVEN CLOSE. >> LIKE THE SPENCE FAMILY, TONY 102 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:09,061 ROBERTS STARTED CONNECTING THE DOTS AFTER THE FACEBOOK PAPERS CAME OUT. >> I KNEW HER PASSWORD. 103 00:12:09,128 --> 00:12:16,535 >> AND BEGAN DIGGING THROUGH HIS DAUGHTER'S PHONE FOR ANSWERS HE FOUND AN INSTAGRAM POST SENT TO ENGLAND FROM A FRIEND. 104 00:12:16,602 --> 00:12:24,910 >> THERE WAS A VIDEO AND THAT VIDEO WAS A LADY ON INSTAGRAM PRETENDING TO HANG HERSELF AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT OUR CHILD 105 00:12:24,977 --> 00:12:34,253 DID BECAUSE YOU ASK YOURSELF, HOW DOES SHE COME UP WITH THIS IDEA? AND THEN WHEN I DID THE 106 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:42,728 RESEARCH, THERE IT WAS. SHE SAW IT ON INSTAGRAM, IT WAS ON HER PHONE. >> IF THAT VIDEO WASN'T SENT TO 107 00:12:42,795 --> 00:12:49,368 HER, BECAUSE SHE COPIED IT, SHE WOULDN'T HAVE -- >> SHE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD -- >> A WAY OF KNOWING HOW TO DO 108 00:12:49,435 --> 00:12:54,573 THAT CERTAIN WAY OF HANGING YOURSELF. >> NEARLY A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER ENGLAND'S DEATH, THAT 109 00:12:54,640 --> 00:13:01,814 HANGING VIDEO WAS STILL CIRCULATING ON INSTAGRAM WITH AT LEAST 1500 VIEWS. TONY ROBERTS SAYS IT WAS TAKEN 110 00:13:01,881 --> 00:13:08,721 DOWN IN DECEMBER 2021, THE ROBERTS ARE SUING META, THE PARENT COMPANY TO INSTAGRAM. >> IF THEY SO CALL MONITOR AND 111 00:13:08,787 --> 00:13:16,095 DO THINGS, HOW COULD IT STAY ON THAT SITE? PART OF THEIR POLICY IS THEY DON'T ALLOW FOR SELF-HARM, 112 00:13:16,162 --> 00:13:23,602 VIDEOS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO WHO IS HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE? >> META DECLINED OUR REQUEST FOR 113 00:13:23,669 --> 00:13:31,377 AN INTERVIEW, BUT ITS GLOBAL HEAD OF SAFETY GAVE US THIS STATEMENT, TELLING US, WE WANT TEENS TO BE SAFE ONLINE AND 114 00:13:31,443 --> 00:13:43,856 INSTAGRAM DOESN'T ALLOW VIDEOS PROMOTING SELF-HARM AND EATING DISORDERS, AND META HAS IMPROVED THE AGE VERIFICATION TECHNOLOGY. 115 00:13:43,923 --> 00:13:48,861 BUT OUR COLLEAGUE WAS ABLE TO LIE HER AGE AND SIGN UP FOR INSTAGRAM AS A 13-YEAR-OLD WITH NO VERIFICATION. 116 00:13:48,928 --> 00:13:58,437 WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO SEARCH FOR SKINNY AND HARMFUL CONTENT, AND WHILE THIS PROMPT CAME UP ASKING IF WE WANTED HELP, WE INSTEAD 117 00:13:58,504 --> 00:14:05,511 CLICKED SEE POSTS AND EASILY FOUND CONTENT PROMOTING ANOREXIA AND SELF-HARM. SHOWING MORE RIGOROUS CHANGE IS 118 00:14:05,578 --> 00:14:14,253 NEEDED. A CHALLENGE THE SPENCE AND ROBERTS FAMILIES ARE READY FOR. >> WE'RE BEING GASLIGHTED BY THE 119 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:20,159 BIG TECH COMPANIES THAT IT IS OUR FAULT. WHEN REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AS PARENTS IS BANNING 120 00:14:20,226 --> 00:14:26,932 TOGETHER AND SAYING, NO, YOU NEED TO DO BETTER. I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN. YOU NEED TO DO BETTER. 121 00:14:26,999 --> 00:14:36,475 >> WE LOST, WE LEARNED, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO STOP THESE COMPANIES FROM CONTINUING TO LET THINGS HAPPEN IF THEY DON'T 122 00:14:36,542 --> 00:14:38,644 CHANGE OR BE FORCED TO MAKE A CHANGE? >> SOCIAL MEDIA IS A SILENT KILLER FOR OUR CHILDREN'S 123 00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:45,251 GENERATION. THAT'S THE CONCLUSION I'VE COME TO. WHY IS EVERYONE IN POWER WHO CAN 124 00:14:45,317 --> 00:14:53,592 HELP CHANGE THIS, WHY IS IT NOT CHANGING QUICK ENOUGH? IF OUR CHILDREN ARE TRULY OUR FUTURE WHAT IS THE WAIT? 125 00:14:53,659 --> 00:15:00,399 >> THAT CHANGE MAY FINALLY BE COMING. LATE LAST MONTH, THE SURGEON GENERAL ISSUED A STARK WARNING 126 00:15:00,466 --> 00:15:07,006 THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS POSING A PROFOUND RISK OF HARM TO THE MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF AMERICA'S YOUTH AND IS CALLING 127 00:15:07,072 --> 00:15:22,054 ON THE GOVERNMENT AND TECH COMPANIES TO IMPLEMENT TOUGHER STANDARDS FOR YOUTH. >>> PRINCE HARRY AND HIS WIFE, 128 00:15:22,121 --> 00:15:28,827 THE DUKE AND DUCHESS OF SUSSEX, STEPPED BACK FROM THEIR ROYAL DUTIES IN 2020. LAST MONTH HARRY ATTENDED HIS 129 00:15:28,894 --> 00:15:36,602 FATHER'S CORONATION CEREMONY. IT WAS AN AWKWARD APPEARANCE FOR THE 38-YEAR-OLD PRINCE AFTER THE RELEASE EARLIER THIS YEAR OF HIS 130 00:15:36,669 --> 00:15:45,411 MEMOIR "SPARE," THE TITLE A NOD TO HIS BACKUP ROLE IN THE LINE OF SUCCESSION. AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN JANUARY, 131 00:15:45,477 --> 00:15:50,149 THE BOOK IS A STUNNING BREAK WITH ROYAL PROTOCOL. IT IS A DEEPLY PERSONAL ACCOUNT OF PRINCE HARRY'S DECADES LONG 132 00:15:50,215 --> 00:15:56,455 STRUGGLE WITH GRIEF AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS MOTHER PRINCESS DIANA AND A REVEALING LOOK AT HIS FRACTURED RELATIONSHIPS WITH 133 00:15:56,522 --> 00:16:09,968 HIS FATHER, KING CHARLES, HIS STEPMOTHER, QUEEN CAMILLA, AND HIS BROTHER, PRINCE WILLIAM, THE HEIR TO HIS SPARE. 134 00:16:10,035 --> 00:16:14,807 YOU WRITE ABOUT A CONTENTIOUS MEETING YOU HAD WITH HIM IN 2021, YOU SAID I LOOKED AT WILL, REALLY LOOKED AT HIM FOR THE 135 00:16:14,873 --> 00:16:20,846 FIRST TIME SINCE WE WERE BOYS, I TOOK IT ALL IN, HIS FAMILIAR SCOWL, WHICH HAD ALWAYS BEEN HIS DEFAULT IN DEALINGS WITH ME, HIS 136 00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:26,185 ALARMING BALDNESS MORE ADVANCED THAN MY OWN, HIS FAMOUS RESEMBLANCE TO MUMMY, WHICH WAS FADING WITH TIME, WITH AGE, 137 00:16:26,251 --> 00:16:33,359 THAT'S PRETTY CUTTING. >> I DON'T SEE IT AS CUTTING AT ALL. MY BROTHER AND I LOVE EACH 138 00:16:33,425 --> 00:16:38,063 OTHER. I LOVE HIM DEEPLY. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PAIN BETWEEN THE TWO OF US. 139 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:44,837 ESPECIALLY THE LAST SIX YEARS. NONE OF ANYTHING THAT I'VE WRITTEN, ANYTHING I'VE INCLUDED, IS EVER INTENDED TO HURT MY 140 00:16:44,903 --> 00:16:53,178 FAMILY. BUT IT DOES GIVE A FULL PICTURE OF THE SITUATION AS WE WERE GROWING UP. 141 00:16:53,245 --> 00:17:02,121 AND ALSO SQUASHES THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW MY WIFE WAS THE ONE THAT DESTROYED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE TWO BROTHERS. 142 00:17:02,187 --> 00:17:10,129 >> I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WATCHED YOU AND YOUR BROTHER GROW UP AND FEEL LIKE YOU TWO WERE INSEPARABLE AND YET 143 00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:13,832 IN READING THE BOOK, YOU HAVE LIVED SEPARATE LIVES FROM THE TIME YOUR MOM DIED. >> MM-HMM. 144 00:17:13,899 --> 00:17:20,038 >> EVEN WHEN YOU WERE IN THE SAME SCHOOL, IN HIGH SCHOOL -- >> SIBLING RIVALRY. >> YOUR BROTHER TOLD YOU PRETEND 145 00:17:20,105 --> 00:17:26,678 WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER. >> YEAH, AT THE TIME IT HURT. I COULDN'T MAKE SENSE OF IT. WE'RE AT THE SAME SCHOOL. 146 00:17:26,745 --> 00:17:32,851 I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU FOR AGES. NOW WE GET TO HANG OUT TOGETHER AND, LIKE, NO, NO, WHEN WE'RE AT SCHOOL, WE DON'T KNOW EACH 147 00:17:32,918 --> 00:17:36,889 OTHER. I TOOK THAT PERSONALLY. YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. 148 00:17:36,955 --> 00:17:47,032 WE HAD A VERY SIMILAR TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE, AND THEN WE DEALT WITH IT TWO VERY DIFFERENT WAYS. >> WILLIAM TRIED TO TALK TO YOU 149 00:17:47,099 --> 00:17:56,575 OCCASIONALLY ABOUT YOUR MOM. BUT AS A CHILD, YOU COULD NOT -- YOU COULDN'T RESPOND. >> FOR ME, IT WAS NEVER A CASE 150 00:17:56,642 --> 00:18:00,345 OF I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH YOU. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO TALK ABOUT IT. 151 00:18:00,412 --> 00:18:07,586 I NEVER, EVER THOUGHT THAT MAYBE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH MY BROTHER OR WITH ANYBODY ELSE AT THAT POINT WOULD BE THERAPEUTIC. 152 00:18:07,653 --> 00:18:17,262 >> IN AUGUST, 1997, HARRY AND WILLIAM WERE VACATIONING IN SCOTLAND WITH THEIR FATHER. HARRY WAS 12, WILLIAM 15. 153 00:18:17,329 --> 00:18:21,266 THEY WERE ASLEEP AT BALMORAL CASTLE WHEN HARRY WAS AWAKENED BY HIS FATHER WHO TOLD HIM HIS MOTHER HAD BEEN IN A CAR CRASH 154 00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:30,843 IN PARIS. IN THE BOOK, YOU WRITE, HE SAYS, THEY TRIED, DARLING BOY, I'M AFRAID SHE DIDN'T MAKE IT. 155 00:18:30,909 --> 00:18:35,214 THESE PHRASES REMAIN IN MY MIND LIKE DARTS ON A BOARD, YOU SAY. DID YOU CRY? >> NO. 156 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,286 NO. NEVER SHED A SINGLE TEAR AT THAT POINT. I WAS IN SHOCK. 157 00:18:41,353 --> 00:18:50,195 12 YEARS OLD. SORT OF 7:30 IN THE MORNING, EARLY, FATHER COMES IN, SITS ON YOUR BED, PUTS HIS HAND ON YOUR 158 00:18:50,262 --> 00:18:58,203 KNEE AND TELLS YOU THERE HAS BEEN AN ACCIDENT. I COULDN'T BELIEVE. >> AND YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK 159 00:18:58,270 --> 00:19:03,842 THAT PA DIDN'T HUG ME, HE WASN'T GOOD AT SHOWING EMOTIONS UNDER NORMAL SITUATIONS, BUT HIS HAND FELL ON MY KNEE AND HE SAID IT'S 160 00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:11,350 GOING TO BE OKAY, BUT NOTHING WAS OKAY AFTER THAT FOR A LONG TIME. >> NO, NOTHING WAS OKAY. 161 00:19:11,416 --> 00:19:18,257 >> HARRY SAYS HIS MEMORIES OF THE NEXT FEW DAYS ARE FRAGMENTED, BUT HE REMEMBERS THIS, GREETING MOURNERS OUTSIDE 162 00:19:18,323 --> 00:19:24,296 KENSINGTON PALACE IN LONDON THE DAY BEFORE HIS MOTHER'S FUNERAL. WHEN YOU SEE THOSE VIDEOS NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK? 163 00:19:24,363 --> 00:19:35,440 >> I THINK IT IS BIZARRE. BECAUSE I SEE WILLIAM AND ME SMILING, I REMEMBER THE GUILT THAT I FELT. 164 00:19:35,507 --> 00:19:42,347 >> GUILT ABOUT -- >> THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE -- THAT WE WERE MEETING WERE SHOWING MORE EMOTION THAN WE 165 00:19:42,414 --> 00:19:46,218 WERE SHOWING. MAYBE MORE EMOTION THAN WE EVEN FELT. >> THEY WERE CRYING, BUT YOU 166 00:19:46,285 --> 00:19:50,722 WEREN'T. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF TEARS. I TALK ABOUT HOW WET PEOPLE'S HANDS WERE. 167 00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:55,093 I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AT FIRST. >> THEIR HANDS WERE WET -- >> FROM WIPING THEIR OWN TEARS 168 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:02,267 AWAY. I DO REMEMBER ONE OF THE STRANGEST PARTS TO IT WAS TAKING FLOWERS FROM PEOPLE AND THEN 169 00:20:02,334 --> 00:20:07,806 PLACING THOSE FLOWERS WITH THE REST OF THEM. AS IF I WAS SOME SORT OF MIDDLE PERSON FOR THEIR GRIEF. 170 00:20:07,873 --> 00:20:15,681 AND THAT REALLY STOOD OUT FOR ME. >> THE FUNERAL, ON A COOL SEPTEMBER MORNING, WAS WATCHED 171 00:20:15,747 --> 00:20:21,119 BY AS MANY AS 2.5 BILLION PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. PERHAPS THE MOST INDELIBLE IMAGE, PRINCE HARRY AND HIS 172 00:20:21,186 --> 00:20:29,227 BROTHER, WALKING BEHIND THEIR MOTHER'S CASKET, ON ITS WAY TO WESTMINSTER ABBEY. WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THAT 173 00:20:29,294 --> 00:20:37,569 WALK? >> HOW QUIET IT WAS. I REMEMBER THE OCCASIONAL WAIL AND SCREAMING OF SOMEONE. 174 00:20:37,636 --> 00:20:44,109 I REMEMBER THE ROAD, THE BRIDLES OF THE HORSES, THE GUN CARRIAGE, THE WHEELS, THE OCCASIONAL GRAVEL STONE UNDERNEATH YOUR 175 00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:53,285 SHOE. BUT MAINLY THE SILENCE. >> AFTER THE SERVICE, PRINCESS DIANA'S BODY WAS BROUGHT FOR 176 00:20:53,352 --> 00:20:58,390 BURIAL TO HER FAMILY'S ANCESTRAL ESTATE. >> ONCE MY MOTHER'S COFFIN WENT INTO THE GROUND, THAT'S THE 177 00:20:58,457 --> 00:21:06,131 FIRST TIME I CRIED. THERE WAS NEVER ANOTHER TIME. >> ALL THROUGH YOUR TEEN YEARS, YOU DIDN'T CRY ABOUT IT? 178 00:21:06,198 --> 00:21:11,203 >> NO. >> YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE WAS DEAD. >> FOR A LONG TIME. 179 00:21:11,269 --> 00:21:18,010 I JUST REFUSED TO ACCEPT SHE WAS GONE. PART OF, YOU KNOW, SHE WOULD NEVER DO THIS TO US, BUT PART OF 180 00:21:18,076 --> 00:21:21,980 MAYBE THIS IS ALL PART OF A PLAN. >> YOU REALLY BELIEVED THAT MAYBE SHE HAD JUST DECIDED TO 181 00:21:22,047 --> 00:21:26,551 DISAPPEAR FOR A TIME? >> FOR A TIME AND SHE WOULD CALL US AND WE WOULD JOIN HER. >> HOW LONG DID YOU BELIEVE 182 00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:32,290 THAT? >> YEARS. MANY, MANY YEARS. WILLIAM AND I TALKED ABOUT IT AS 183 00:21:32,357 --> 00:21:38,463 WELL. HE HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS. >> YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK, YOU SAY, I WOULD OFTEN SAY IT TO 184 00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:41,967 MYSELF FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, MAYBE THIS IS THE DAY. MAYBE THIS IS THE DAY SHE'S GOING TO REAPPEAR. 185 00:21:42,034 --> 00:21:50,976 >> YEAH. HOPE. I HAD HUGE AMOUNTS OF HOPE. >> HE HELD ON TO THAT HOPE INTO 186 00:21:51,043 --> 00:21:58,417 ADULTHOOD, WHEN HARRY WAS 20 HE ASKED TO SEE THE POLICE REPORT ABOUT THE CRASH THAT KILLED HIS MOTHER, HER BOYFRIEND DODI AL 187 00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:04,189 FAYED AND THEIR DRIVER HENRI PAUL WHILE THEY WERE BEING PURSUED BY PAPARAZZI IN THE PARIS TUNNEL. 188 00:22:04,256 --> 00:22:11,496 >> THE FILE CONTAINED PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CRASH SCENE. WHY DID YOU WANT TO SEE IT? >> PROOF THAT SHE WAS IN THE 189 00:22:11,563 --> 00:22:23,075 CAR, PROOF THAT SHE WAS INJURED, AND PROOF THAT THE PAPARAZZI THAT CHASED HER INTO THE TUNNEL WERE THE ONES TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS 190 00:22:23,141 --> 00:22:26,511 OF HER LYING HALF DEAD ON THE BACK SEAT OF THE CAR. >> YOU WRITE, I HADN'T BEEN AWARE BEFORE THIS MOMENT, 191 00:22:26,578 --> 00:22:30,382 LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OF THE CRASH SCENE THAT THE LAST THING MUMMY SAW ON THIS EARTH WAS A FLASHBULB. 192 00:22:30,449 --> 00:22:38,690 >> YEAH. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PICTURES? >> THE PICTURES SHOWED THE 193 00:22:38,757 --> 00:22:43,762 REFLECTION OF A GROUP OF PHOTOGRAPHERS TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS THROUGH THE WINDOW AND THE REFLECTION OF THE WINDOW WAS 194 00:22:43,829 --> 00:22:49,000 THEM. >> HE ONLY SAW SOME OF THE CRASH PHOTOS. HIS PRIVATE SECRETARY, AN 195 00:22:49,067 --> 00:22:55,807 ADVISER, DISSUADED HIM FROM LOOKING AT THE REST. >> ALL I SAW WAS THE BACK OF MY MUM'S HEAD SLUMPED ON THE BACK 196 00:22:55,874 --> 00:23:05,550 SEAT. THERE WERE OTHER MORE GRUESOME PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT I WILL BE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL TO HIM FOR 197 00:23:05,617 --> 00:23:10,255 DENYING ME THE ABILITY TO INFLICT PAIN ON MYSELF BY SEEING THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF 198 00:23:10,322 --> 00:23:17,963 THAT STICKS IN YOUR MIND FOREVER. >> HARRY SAYS HE BELIEVED HIS MOTHER MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE 199 00:23:18,029 --> 00:23:26,471 UNTIL HE WAS 23. AND VISITED PARIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. YOU TOLD YOUR DRIVER, I WANT TO 200 00:23:26,538 --> 00:23:30,542 GO TO THE TUNNEL WHERE MY MOM DIED. >> I WANTED TO SEE WHETHER IT WAS POSSIBLE, DRIVING AT THE 201 00:23:30,609 --> 00:23:37,449 SPEED THAT HENRI PAUL WAS DRIVING THAT YOU COULD LOSE CONTROL OF A CAR AND PLOW INTO A PILLAR KILLING ALMOST EVERYBODY 202 00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:44,222 IN THAT CAR. I NEEDED TO TAKE THIS JOURNEY AND I NEED TO RIDE THE SAME ROUTE, THE SAME TUNNEL. 203 00:23:44,289 --> 00:23:46,324 >> THE SAME TUNNEL, THE SAME SPEED. >> ALL OF IT. >> YOUR MOTHER WAS GOING. 204 00:23:46,391 --> 00:23:54,432 >> YES. BECAUSE WILLIAM AND I WERE TOLD THE EVENT WAS LIKE A BICYCLE CHAIN. 205 00:23:54,499 --> 00:23:59,538 IF YOU REMOVE ONE OF THOSE CHAINS, THE END RESULT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. AND THE PAPARAZZI CHASING WAS 206 00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:04,075 PART OF THAT. BUT YET EVERYBODY GOT AWAY WITH IT. >> HARRY WRITES HE AND HIS 207 00:24:04,142 --> 00:24:14,019 BROTHER WEREN'T SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION BY LONDON'S METROPOLITAN POLICE, CONCLUDING DIANA'S DRIVER HENRI 208 00:24:14,085 --> 00:24:19,925 PAUL WAS DRINKING AND THE CRASH WAS A "TRAGIC ACCIDENT." >> WILLIAM AND I CONSIDERED REOPENING THE INQUEST. 209 00:24:19,991 --> 00:24:23,929 THERE WERE SO MANY GAPS AND SO MANY HOLES IN IT, WHICH JUST DIDN'T ADD UP AND DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. 210 00:24:23,995 --> 00:24:30,135 >> WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO DO THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS AN OPTION NOW, BUT I THINK, WOULD I 211 00:24:30,202 --> 00:24:37,242 LIKE TO DO THAT NOW? THAT'S A HELL OF A QUESTION, ANDERSON. >> DO YOU FEEL YOU HAD THE 212 00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:43,648 ANSWERS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR MOM? >> TRUTH BE KNOWN, NO. I DON'T THINK I DO. 213 00:24:43,715 --> 00:24:48,453 I DON'T THINK MY BROTHER DOES EITHER. I DON'T THINK THE WORLD DOES. DO I NEED ANY MORE THAN I 214 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:55,560 ALREADY KNOW? NO. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD CHANGE MUCH. 215 00:24:55,627 --> 00:25:01,766 >> HARRY NOW SAYS IT WASN'T UNTIL HE SERVED IN COMBAT WITH THE BRITISH ARMY IN AFGHANISTAN THAT HE FINALLY FOUND PURPOSE 216 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:10,742 AND A SENSE OF NORMALCY. >> MY MILITARY CAREER SAVED ME IN MANY REGARDS. >> HOW SO? 217 00:25:10,809 --> 00:25:17,515 >> GOT ME OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT FROM THE UK PRESS. I WAS ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE PURPOSE LARGER THAN MYSELF TO 218 00:25:17,582 --> 00:25:23,455 WEAR THE SAME UNIFORM AS EVERYBODY ELSE, TO FEEL NORMAL FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE AND ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE 219 00:25:23,521 --> 00:25:32,898 BIGGEST CHALLENGES I EVER HAD. I WAS TRYING TO BECOME AN ATTACHE HELICOPTER PILOT. YOU DON'T GET A PASS FOR BEING A 220 00:25:32,964 --> 00:25:36,668 PRINCE. >> THE APACHE DOESN'T CARE WHO YOU ARE. >> NO. 221 00:25:36,735 --> 00:25:42,507 IT CAN JUST TAKE YOU AWAY. I WAS A REALLY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR THE MILITARY. A YOUNG MAN IN MY 20s, SUFFERING 222 00:25:42,574 --> 00:25:53,418 FROM SHOCK, BUT I WAS NOW IN THE FRONT SEAT OF AN APACHE SHOOTING AT FLYING, MONITORING FOUR RADIOS SIMULTANEOUSLY AND BEING 223 00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:59,691 THERE TO SAVE AND HELP ANYBODY THAT WAS ON THE GROUND WITH A RADIO SCREAMING, WE NEED SUPPORT, WE NEED AIR SUPPORT. 224 00:25:59,758 --> 00:26:06,531 THAT WAS MY CALLING. I FELT HEALING FROM THAT, WEIRDLY. >> AND THAT MULTITASKING, THE 225 00:26:06,598 --> 00:26:14,039 BRAIN WORK OF THAT, THAT FELT GOOD TO YOU? >> IT FELT LIKE I WAS TURNING PAIN INTO A PURPOSE. 226 00:26:14,105 --> 00:26:21,313 I DIDN'T HAVE THE AWARENESS AT THE TIME THAT I WAS LIVING MY LIFE IN ADRENALINE. AND THAT WAS THE CASE FROM AGE 227 00:26:21,379 --> 00:26:25,850 12, FROM THE MOMENT I WAS TOLD MY MOM HAD DIED. >> YOU SAY WAR DIDN'T BEGIN IN AFGHANISTAN, IT BEGAN IN AUGUST 228 00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:32,757 1997. >> THE WAR FOR ME, UNKNOWINGLY, IS WHEN MY MOM DIED. >> WHO WERE YOU FIGHTING? 229 00:26:32,824 --> 00:26:43,001 >> MYSELF. I HAD A HUGE AMOUNT OF FRUSTRATION AND BLAME TOWARDS THE BRITISH PRESS FOR THEIR PART 230 00:26:43,068 --> 00:26:48,974 IN IT. >> EVEN AT -- AT 12, AT THAT YOUNG, YOU WERE FEELING THAT TOWARD THE BRITISH PRESS? 231 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:55,714 >> YEAH, IT WAS OBVIOUS TO US AS KIDS THAT THE BRITISH PRESS IS PART IN OUR MOTHER'S MISERY. I HAD A LOT OF ANGER INSIDE OF 232 00:26:55,780 --> 00:27:07,926 ME THAT LUCKILY I NEVER EXPRESSED TO ANYBODY, BUT I RESORTED TO DRINKING HEAVILY BECAUSE I WANTED TO NUMB THE 233 00:27:07,993 --> 00:27:12,530 FEELING, I WANTED TO DISTRACT MYSELF FROM WHATEVER I WAS THINKING. AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, RESORT TO 234 00:27:12,597 --> 00:27:18,837 DRUGS AS WELL. >> HARRY ADMITS HE SMOKED POT AND USED COCAINE. AND WRITES THAT IN HIS LATE 20s, 235 00:27:18,903 --> 00:27:27,946 HE FELT HOPELESS AND LOST. >> THERE WAS THIS WEIGHT ON MY CHEST I FELT FOR SO MANY YEARS I WAS NEVER ABLE TO CRY. 236 00:27:28,013 --> 00:27:37,389 SO, I WAS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO CRY, BUT EVEN SITTING ON MY SOFA, AND GOING OVER MANY MEMORIES AS I COULD 237 00:27:37,455 --> 00:27:41,593 MUSTER UP ABOUT MY MUM, AND SOMETIMES I WATCHED VIDEOS ONLINE. >> OF YOUR MOM? 238 00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:46,731 >> OF MY MUM. >> HOPING TO CRY? >> YES. >> AND YOU COULDN'T? 239 00:27:46,798 --> 00:27:54,839 >> I COULDN'T. >> HE SOUGHT OUT HELP FROM A THERAPIST FOR THE FIRST TIME CERTAIN YEARS AGO AND REVEALED 240 00:27:54,906 --> 00:27:59,244 HE TRIED MORE EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENTS. >> YOU WRITE ABOUT PSYCHEDELICS. MUSHROOMS. 241 00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:06,484 >> I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND PEOPLE TO DO THIS. BUT DOING IT WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE, IF YOU ARE SUFFERING 242 00:28:06,551 --> 00:28:13,391 FROM A HUGE AMOUNT OF LOSS, GRIEF OR TRAUMA, THEN THESE THINGS HAVE A WAY OF WORKING AS A MEDICINE. 243 00:28:13,458 --> 00:28:21,699 >> THEY SHOWED YOU SOMETHING. WHAT DID THEY SHOW YOU? >> FOR ME, THEY CLEARED THE WIND SCREEN, THE WINDSHIELD, THE 244 00:28:21,766 --> 00:28:29,240 MISERY OF LOSS. CLEARED AWAY THIS IDEA THAT I HAD IN MY HEAD THAT MY MOTHER, THAT I NEEDED TO CRY TO PROVE TO 245 00:28:29,307 --> 00:28:35,213 MY MOTHER THAT I MISSED HER. WHEN, IN FACT, WHAT SHE WANTED WAS FOR ME TO BE HAPPY. >> PRINCE HARRY SAYS HE'S FOUND 246 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,117 THAT HAPPINESS WITH HIS WIFE IN CALIFORNIA. BUT AS YOU'LL HEAR IN A MOMENT, HE'S FAR FROM AT PEACE WITH THE 247 00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:41,186 ROYAL FAMILY. 248 00:28:53,865 --> 00:29:02,307 >>> AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN JANUARY, PRINCE HARRY'S MEMOIR "SPARE" IS ANYTHING BUT SPARE IN ITS UNFLATTERING PORTRAYAL OF 249 00:29:02,373 --> 00:29:07,779 THE ROYAL FAMILY, ESPECIALLY HIS STEPMOTHER CAMILLA. SHE MARRIED PRINCE CHARLES IN 2005, BUT THEY WERE ROMANTICALLY 250 00:29:07,846 --> 00:29:15,487 INVOLVED ON AND OFF FOR DECADES. WHEN PRINCESS DIANA REFERRED TO HER AS THE THIRD PERSON IN THEIR MARRIAGE, THE BRITISH TABLOIDS 251 00:29:15,553 --> 00:29:22,861 RAN WITH IT AND PRINCE HARRY HAS NEVER FORGOTTEN. >> SHE WAS THE VILLAIN. SHE WAS THE THIRD PERSON IN 252 00:29:22,927 --> 00:29:28,967 THEIR MARRIAGE. SHE NEEDED TO REHABILITATE HER IMAGE. >> YOU AND YOUR BROTHER BOTH 253 00:29:29,033 --> 00:29:34,873 DIRECTLY ASKED YOUR DAD NOT TO MARRY CAMILLA. >> YES. >> WHY? 254 00:29:34,939 --> 00:29:43,047 >> WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY. WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GOING TO CAUSE MORE HARM THAN GOOD. 255 00:29:43,114 --> 00:29:49,420 AND THAT IF HE WAS NOW WITH HIS PERSON, THAT SURELY THAT'S ENOUGH. WHY GO THAT FAR WHEN YOU DON'T 256 00:29:49,487 --> 00:29:57,529 NECESSARILY NEED TO? WE WANTED HIM TO BE HAPPY. AND WE SAW HOW HAPPY HE WAS WITH HER. 257 00:29:57,595 --> 00:30:04,469 SO AT THE TIME IT WAS, OKAY. >> YOU WROTE SHE STARTED CAMPAIGNING IN THE BRITISH PRESS TO PAVE THE WAY FOR A MARRIAGE 258 00:30:04,536 --> 00:30:09,807 AND YOU WROTE, I EVEN WANTED CAMILLA TO BE HAPPY, MAYBE SHE WOULD BE LESS DANGEROUS IF SHE WAS HAPPY. 259 00:30:09,874 --> 00:30:14,879 HOW WAS SHE DANGEROUS? >> BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR HER TO REHABILITATE HER IMAGE. >> THAT MADE HER DANGEROUS? 260 00:30:14,946 --> 00:30:20,485 >> THAT MADE HER DANGEROUS BECAUSE OF THE CONNECTIONS SHE WAS FORGING WITHIN THE BRITISH PRESS AND THERE WAS OPEN 261 00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:27,625 WILLINGNESS ON BOTH SIDES TO TRADE INFORMATION AND WITH A FAMILY BUILT ON HIERARCHY AND WITH HER ON THE WAY TO BEING 262 00:30:27,692 --> 00:30:35,500 QUEEN CONSORT, THERE WAS GOING TO BE PEOPLE OR BODIES LEFT IN THE STREET BECAUSE OF THAT. >> HARRY SAYS OVER THE YEARS HE 263 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:45,777 WAS ONE OF THOSE BODIES. HE ACCUSES CAMILLA AND EVEN HIS FATHER AT TIMES OF USING HIM OR WILLIAM TO GET BETTER TABLOID 264 00:30:45,843 --> 00:30:50,915 COVERAGE FOR THEMSELVES. PRINCE HARRY WRITES CAMILLA, QUOTE, SACRIFICED ME ON HER PERSONAL PR ALTAR. 265 00:30:50,982 --> 00:30:56,721 >> IF YOU ARE LED TO BELIEVE AS A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY THAT BEING ON THE FRONT PAGE, HAVING POSITIVE HEADLINES, POSITIVE 266 00:30:56,788 --> 00:31:06,464 STORIES WRITTEN ABOUT YOU IS GOING TO IMPROVE YOUR REPUTATION OR INCREASE THE CHANCES OF YOU BEING ACCEPTED AS MONARCH BY THE 267 00:31:06,531 --> 00:31:12,136 BRITISH PUBLIC, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. >> IN HIS BOOK, HARRY WRITES WHEN HE INTRODUCED MEGHAN MARKLE 268 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:18,443 TO HIS FAMILY IN 2016, HIS FATHER INITIALLY TOOK A LIKING TO HER. BUT WILLIAM WAS SKEPTICAL. 269 00:31:18,509 --> 00:31:24,015 DISDAINFULLY REFERRING TO HER AS AN AMERICAN ACTRESS. THOUGH HARRY DOESN'T SPECIFY WHO, HE SAYS OTHER MEMBERS OF 270 00:31:24,082 --> 00:31:33,458 THE ROYAL FAMILY WERE UNEASY AS WELL. >> FROM THE BEGINNING, BEFORE I HAD A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW HER 271 00:31:33,524 --> 00:31:38,096 AND THE UK PRESS JUMPED ON THAT. >> WHAT WAS THAT BASED ON, THAT MISTRUST? >> THE FACT SHE WAS AMERICAN, AN 272 00:31:38,162 --> 00:31:47,038 ACTRESS, DIVORCED, BLACK, BIRACIAL, WITH A BLACK MOTHER, THOSE WERE JUST FOUR OF THE TYPICAL STEREOTYPES THAT HAD 273 00:31:47,105 --> 00:31:50,942 BECOME A FEEDING FRENZY FOR THE BRITISH PRESS. >> ALL THOSE THINGS WITHIN THE FAMILY ALSO WERE SOURCES OF 274 00:31:51,009 --> 00:32:02,253 MISTRUST? >> YES. MY FAMILY READ THE TABLOIDS. IT IS LAID OUT AT BREAKFAST WHEN 275 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,492 EVERYONE COMES TOGETHER. SO, WHETHER YOU WALK AROUND SAYING YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT IS STILL LEAVING AN IMPRINT IN 276 00:32:07,558 --> 00:32:17,402 YOUR MIND. SO IF YOU HAVE THAT JUDGMENT BASED ON A STEREOTYPE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, IT IS VERY, VERY 277 00:32:17,468 --> 00:32:20,338 HARD TO GET OVER THAT. AND A LARGE PART OF IT FOR THE FAMILY, BUT ALSO THE BRITISH PRESS AND NUMEROUS OTHER PEOPLE 278 00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:26,978 IS LIKE, HE'S CHANGED, SHE MUST BE A WITCH. HE'S CHANGED. AS OPPOSED TO, YEAH, I DID 279 00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:35,620 CHANGE, I'M REALLY GLAD I CHANGED BECAUSE RATHER THAN GETTING DRUNK, FALLING OUT OF CLUBS, TAKING DRUGS, I HAD NOW 280 00:32:35,687 --> 00:32:41,893 FOUND THE LOVE OF MY LIFE, AND I NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO START A FAMILY WITH HER. >> SOON AFTER, THEIR 281 00:32:41,959 --> 00:32:46,497 RELATIONSHIP BECAME PUBLIC, HARRY INSISTED ON PUTTING OUT A STATEMENT CONDEMNING SOME OF THE TABLOID COVERAGE OF MEGHAN AND 282 00:32:46,564 --> 00:32:52,904 WHAT HE CALLED, QUOTE, THE RACIAL UNDERTONES OF COMMENT PIECES. YOU WRITE YOUR DAD AND YOUR 283 00:32:52,970 --> 00:33:00,912 BROTHER WILLIAM WERE FURIOUS WITH YOU FOR DOING THAT. WHY? >> THEY FELT AS THOUGH IT MADE 284 00:33:00,978 --> 00:33:05,283 THEM LOOK BAD. THEY FELT AS THOUGH THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE OR WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT FOR THEIR PARTNERS. 285 00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:13,324 WHAT MEGHAN HAD TO GO THROUGH WAS SIMILAR IN SOME PART TO WHAT KATE AND CAMILLA WENT THROUGH, VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, 286 00:33:13,391 --> 00:33:17,729 BUT THEN YOU ADD IN THE RACE ELEMENT, WHICH WAS WHAT THE PRESS -- BRITISH PRESS JUMPED ON STRAIGHTAWAY, I WENT INTO THIS 287 00:33:17,795 --> 00:33:27,038 INCREDIBLY NAIVE. I HAD NO IDEA THE BRITISH PRESS WAS SO BIGOTED. HELL, I WAS BIGOTED BEFORE 288 00:33:27,105 --> 00:33:30,174 THE RELATIONSHIP WITH MEGHAN. >> YOU THINK YOU WERE BIGOTED BEFORE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH MEGHAN? 289 00:33:30,241 --> 00:33:42,019 >> I DON'T KNOW. PUT IT THIS WAY -- I DIDN'T SEE WHAT I NOW SEE. >> THEY WERE MARRIED IN MAY 2018 290 00:33:42,086 --> 00:33:51,696 IN A CEREMONY THAT SEEMED TO PROMISE A MORE MODERN AND INCLUSIVE ROYAL FAMILY AND GIVEN THE TITLES DUKE AND DUCHESS OF 291 00:33:51,763 --> 00:33:56,167 SUSSEX. BEHIND THE SCENES, ACCORDING TO HARRY, WILLIAM'S MISTRUST OF MEGHAN ONLY WORSENED. 292 00:33:56,234 --> 00:34:02,306 DID YOU EVER TRY TO MEET WITH WILLIAM AND KATE TO TRY TO DIFFUSE THE TENSION? >> YES. 293 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:07,612 >> HOW DID THAT MEETING GO? >> NOT PARTICULARLY WELL. >> IN EARLY 2019, HARRY WRITES THE RANCOR BETWEEN WILLIAM AND 294 00:34:07,678 --> 00:34:15,753 HIM EXPLODED AT HARRY'S COTTAGE ON THE GROUNDS OF KENSINGTON PALACE. YOUR ARGUMENTS WITH YOUR BROTHER 295 00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:24,228 BECAME PHYSICAL. >> IT WAS A BUILDUP OF FRUSTRATION, I THINK, ON HIS PART. 296 00:34:24,295 --> 00:34:33,638 IT WAS A TIME WHERE HE WAS BEING TOLD CERTAIN THINGS BY PEOPLE WITHIN HIS OFFICE. AND THE SAME TIME HE WAS 297 00:34:33,704 --> 00:34:43,347 CONSUMING A LOT OF THE TABLOID PRESS, A LOT OF THE STORIES, AND HE HAD A FEW ISSUES WHICH WERE BASED NOT ON REALITY. 298 00:34:43,414 --> 00:34:51,122 AND I WAS DEFENDING MY WIFE AND HE WAS COMING FOR MY WIFE, SHE WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME, BUT THROUGH THE THINGS HE WAS 299 00:34:51,189 --> 00:34:55,827 SAYING, I WAS DEFENDING MYSELF AND WE MOVED FROM ONE ROOM INTO THE KITCHEN AND HIS FRUSTRATIONS WERE GROWING AND GROWING AND 300 00:34:55,893 --> 00:35:01,632 GROWING. HE WAS SHOUTING AT ME. I WAS SHOUTING BACK AT HIM. IT WASN'T NICE. 301 00:35:01,699 --> 00:35:06,437 IT WASN'T PLEASANT AT ALL. AND HE SNAPPED. AND HE PUSHED ME TO THE FLOOR. >> HE KNOCKED YOU OVER. 302 00:35:06,504 --> 00:35:12,710 >> HE KNOCKED ME OVER. I LANDED ON THE -- >> YOU CUT YOUR BACK. >> I CUT MY BACK. 303 00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:18,349 I DIDN'T KNOW IT AT THE TIME. BUT HE APOLOGIZED AFTERWARDS. IT WAS A PRETTY NASTY EXPERIENCE, BUT -- 304 00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:22,553 >> HE ASKED YOU NOT TO TELL ANYBODY. NOT TO TELL MEGHAN. >> YEAH, AND I WOULDN'T HAVE 305 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:27,492 DONE. I DIDN'T. UNTIL SHE SAW ON MY BACK, WHAT'S THAT? 306 00:35:27,558 --> 00:35:31,829 I WAS, LIKE, WHAT? I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. I LOOKED IN THE MIRROR. 307 00:35:31,896 --> 00:35:41,939 I WAS, LIKE, [ BLEEP ] BECAUSE I HADN'T SEEN IT. >> MEGHAN HAS SAID CONSTANT CRITICISM AND PRESSURE LED HER 308 00:35:42,006 --> 00:35:47,245 IN THE WINTER OF 2019 TO CONTEMPLATE SUICIDE. >> THE THING THAT TERRIFIED ME THE MOST IS HISTORY REPEATING 309 00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:54,819 ITSELF. >> YOU REALLY FEARED THAT YOUR WIFE, MEGHAN -- >> I FEARED A LOT THE END 310 00:35:54,886 --> 00:36:02,426 RESULT, THE FACT THAT I LOST MY MUM WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD COULD EASILY HAPPEN AGAIN TO MY WIFE. 311 00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:07,031 >> IN JANUARY 2020, PRINCE HARRY AND MEGHAN ANNOUNCED THEY INTENDED TO, IN THEIR WORDS, STEP BACK AS SENIOR MEMBERS OF 312 00:36:07,098 --> 00:36:14,205 THE ROYAL FAMILY. THEY MOVED TO CALIFORNIA THREE MONTHS LATER. THEN THERE WAS THE HEADLINE 313 00:36:14,272 --> 00:36:22,880 GRABBING INTERVIEW WITH OPRAH WINFREY AND A DEAL WITH NETFLIX WORTH A REPORTED $100 MILLION. CRITICS SAY THE DUKE AND DUCHESS 314 00:36:22,947 --> 00:36:25,917 ARE CASHING IN ON THEIR ROYAL TITLES WHILE THEY STILL CAN. WHY NOT RENOUNCE YOUR TITLES AS DUKE AND DUCHESS? 315 00:36:25,983 --> 00:36:32,156 >> AND WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD THAT MAKE? >> ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT YOU RECEIVED IS THAT, OKAY, 316 00:36:32,223 --> 00:36:39,263 FINE, YOU WANT TO MOVE TO CALIFORNIA, YOU WANT TO STEP BACK FROM THE INSTITUTIONAL ROLE, WHY BE SO PUBLIC, WHY 317 00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:43,901 REVEAL CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD WITH YOUR FATHER OR WITH YOUR BROTHER? YOU SAY YOU TRIED TO DO THIS 318 00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:48,739 PRIVATELY. >> AND EVERY SINGLE TIME I TRIED TO DO IT PRIVATELY, THERE WOULD BE BRIEFINGS AND LEAKINGS AND 319 00:36:48,806 --> 00:36:56,681 PLANTINGS OF STORIES AGAINST ME AND MY WIFE. THE MOTTO IS NEVER COMPLAIN, NEVER EXPLAIN, IT IS A MOTTO, IT 320 00:36:56,747 --> 00:37:01,085 DOESN'T REALLY -- >> THERE IS A LOT OF COMPLAINING AND A LOT OF EXPLAINING IN PRIVATE, BEING DONE THROUGH 321 00:37:01,152 --> 00:37:08,225 LEAKS? >> THROUGH LEAKS. >> PRINCE HARRY CONTINUES TO CLAIM HE WOULD NEVER LEAK 322 00:37:08,292 --> 00:37:16,434 AGAINST HIS FAMILY. >> SO, NOW TRYING TO SPEAK A LANGUAGE THAT PERHAPS THEY UNDERSTAND I WILL SIT HERE AND 323 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:24,909 SPEAK TRUTH TO YOU WITH THE WORDS THAT COME OUT OF MY MOUTH RATHER THAN USING SOMEONE ELSE, AN UNNAMED SOURCE, TO FEED IN 324 00:37:24,976 --> 00:37:37,021 LIES OR A NARRATIVE TO A TABLOID MEDIA THAT LITERALLY RADICALIZES ITS READERS TO THEN POTENTIALLY CAUSE HARM TO MY FAMILY. 325 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:43,561 MY WIFE, MY KIDS. >> IN DECEMBER, THE BRITISH TABLOID "THE SUN" PUBLISHED A VICIOUS COLUMN ABOUT MEGHAN 326 00:37:43,628 --> 00:37:49,634 WRITTEN BY A TV HOST. >> HE SAID I HATE HER. AT NIGHT I'M UNABLE TO SLEEP BECAUSE I LIE THERE GRINDING MY 327 00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:55,072 TEETH AND DREAMING OF THE DAY SHE'S MADE TO WALK NAKED THROUGH THE STREETS IN EVERY TOWN OF BRITAIN WHILE THE CROWDS CHANT 328 00:37:55,139 --> 00:38:01,345 SHAME AND THROW EXCREMENT AT HER. DID THAT SURPRISE YOU? >> DID IT SURPRISE ME? 329 00:38:01,412 --> 00:38:06,150 NO. IS IT SHOCKING? YES. I MEAN, THANK YOU FOR PROVING 330 00:38:06,217 --> 00:38:11,422 OUR POINT. >> HAD THERE BEEN ANY RESPONSE FROM THE PALACE? >> NO. 331 00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:18,129 THERE COMES A POINT WHEN SILENCE IS BETRAYAL. >> HARRY HAS BEEN BACK IN THE UNITED KINGDOM. 332 00:38:18,195 --> 00:38:25,302 IN LONDON LAST SEPTEMBER FOR A CHARITY EVENT WHEN THE PALACE ANNOUNCED HIS GRANDMOTHER, THE QUEEN, WAS UNDER MEDICAL 333 00:38:25,369 --> 00:38:35,846 SUPERVISION. >> I ASKED MY BROERT, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS, HOW ARE YOU AND KATE GETTING THERE? 334 00:38:35,913 --> 00:38:42,153 THEN A COUPLE OF HOURS LATER, ALL OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT LIVED WITHIN THE AREA ARE JUMPING ON A PLANE TOGETHER, A 335 00:38:42,219 --> 00:38:46,857 PLANE WITH 12, 14, MAYBE 16 SEATS. >> YOU WERE NOT INVITED? >> I WAS NOT INVITED. 336 00:38:46,924 --> 00:38:54,965 >> BY THE TIME HARRY GOT TO BALMORAL ON HIS OWN, THE QUEEN WAS DEAD. >> I WALKED INTO THE HALL AND MY 337 00:38:55,032 --> 00:39:06,544 AUNT WAS THERE TO GREET ME. AND SHE ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO SEE HER? I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR FIVE 338 00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:10,514 SECONDS, THINKING IS THIS A GOOD IDEA, I WAS, LIKE, YOU CAN DO THIS, YOU NEED TO SAY GOOD-BYE. I WENT UPSTAIRS. 339 00:39:10,581 --> 00:39:13,451 TOOK MY JACKET OFF, AND WALKED IN AND JUST SPENT SOME TIME WITH HER, ALONE. >> WHERE WAS SHE? 340 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:21,659 >> SHE WAS IN HER BEDROOM. I WAS REALLY HAPPY FOR HER. SHE FINISHED LIFE. SHE COMPLETED LIFE. 341 00:39:21,726 --> 00:39:29,467 HER HUSBAND WAS WAITING FOR HER. AND THE TWO OF THEM ARE BURIED TOGETHER. >> AS THEY HAD 25 YEARS EARLIER, 342 00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:34,505 HARRY AND WILLIAM FOUND THEMSELVES WALKING TOGETHER BUT APART THIS TIME BEHIND THEIR GRANDMOTHER'S CASKET. 343 00:39:34,572 --> 00:39:42,880 DO YOU SPEAK TO WILLIAM NOW? DO YOU TEXT? >> CURRENTLY NO. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO -- I LOOK 344 00:39:42,947 --> 00:39:49,653 FORWARD TO US BEING ABLE TO FIND PEACE. >> HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE YOU SPOKE? 345 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:54,558 >> A WHILE. >> DO YOU SPEAK TO YOUR DAD? >> WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN FOR QUITE A WHILE. 346 00:39:54,625 --> 00:40:06,537 NO. NOT RECENTLY. >> CAN YOU SEE A DAY WHEN YOU WOULD RETURN AS A FULL TIME 347 00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:11,942 MEMBER OF THE ROYAL FAMILY? >> NO. I CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. >> IN THE BOOK YOU CALLED THIS A 348 00:40:12,009 --> 00:40:17,148 FULL SCALE RUPTURE. CAN IT BE HEALED? >> YES. THE BALL IS VERY MUCH IN THEIR 349 00:40:17,214 --> 00:40:24,655 COURT. BUT MEGHAN AND I HAVE CONTINUED TO SAY WE WILL OPENLY APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING THAT WE DID WRONG, 350 00:40:24,722 --> 00:40:30,227 BUT EVERY TIME WE ASK THAT QUESTION, NO ONE IS TELLING US THE SPECIFICS OR ANYTHING. THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSTRUCTIVE 351 00:40:30,294 --> 00:40:35,432 CONVERSATION, ONE THAT CAN HAPPEN IN PRIVATE, THAT DOESN'T GET LEAKED. >> I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD 352 00:40:35,499 --> 00:40:45,743 SAY, HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU, HOW DO WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REVEAL IN WHATEVER CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE IN AN INTERVIEW 353 00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:51,482 SOMEWHERE? >> THIS ALL STARTED WITH THEM BRIEFING DAILY AGAINST MY WIFE WITH LIES TO THE POINT OF WHERE 354 00:40:51,549 --> 00:41:01,625 MY WIFE AND I HAD TO RUN AWAY FROM OUR -- FROM MY COUNTRY. >> IT IS HARD FOR ANYBODY TO IMAGINE A FAMILY DYNAMIC THAT IS 355 00:41:01,692 --> 00:41:08,866 SO "GAME OF THRONES" WITHOUT DRAGONS. >> I DON'T WATCH "GAME OF THRONES" BUT THERE IS DRAGONS. 356 00:41:08,933 --> 00:41:13,137 AND THAT'S THE THIRD PARTY, WHICH IS THE BRITISH PRESS. WITHOUT THE BRITISH PRESS AS PART OF THIS, WE WOULD PROBABLY 357 00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:18,008 STILL BE A FAIRLY DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY. LIKE A LOT ARE. BUT AT THE HEART OF IT, THERE IS 358 00:41:18,075 --> 00:41:30,154 A FAMILY, WITHOUT QUESTION. AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT FAMILY ELEMENT BACK. I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A 359 00:41:30,221 --> 00:41:33,891 RELATIONSHIP WITH MY BROTHER, A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER AND OTHER MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY. >> YOU WANT THAT? 360 00:41:33,958 --> 00:41:36,427 >> THAT'S ALL I'VE EVER ASKED FOR. >> WE REACHED OUT TO BUCKINGHAM PALACE FOR COMMENT BACK IN 361 00:41:36,493 --> 00:41:40,731 JANUARY. THE PALACE HAS STILL NOT MADE ANY OFFICIAL COMMENT ABOUT PRINCE HARRY'S BOOK. 362 00:41:47,104 --> 00:41:54,612 >>> PRINCE HARRY ON HOW BEING A FATHER HELPS HIM UNDERSTAND HIS OWN MOTHER. >> I'M STARTING TO COMPREHEND 363 00:41:54,678 --> 00:42:06,323 THE POSITION THAT SHE WAS IN. >> 60MINUTESOVERTIME.COM >>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. STICK AROUND, A SPECIAL EDITION 364 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:20,604 OF "60 MINUTES" IS COMING UP NEXT.