1 00:00:10,667 --> 00:00:10,833 * 2 00:00:10,833 --> 00:00:12,067 >>> WHAT ARE THE STAKES BETWEEN 3 00:00:12,067 --> 00:00:15,000 THE U.S. AND CHINA RIGHT NOW? 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,867 THERE ARE A FEW PLACES BETTER 5 00:00:16,867 --> 00:00:19,000 THAN THE WESTERN PACIFIC ONBOARD 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,833 THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER "USS 7 00:00:23,833 --> 00:00:24,300 NIMITZ" TO FIND OUT. 8 00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:26,967 >> IS THE U.S. NAVY READY? 9 00:00:26,967 --> 00:00:27,433 >> WE ARE READY, YES. 10 00:00:27,433 --> 00:00:28,733 I WILL NEVER ADMIT TO BEING 11 00:00:28,733 --> 00:00:29,200 READY ENOUGH. 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,233 >> TONIGHT, THE COMMANDER OF THE 13 00:00:31,233 --> 00:00:32,000 UNITED STATES PACIFIC FLEET TALK 14 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,133 ABOUT THE STATE OF THE U.S. 15 00:00:35,133 --> 00:00:37,033 NAVY, CHINA'S GROWING FLEET AND 16 00:00:37,033 --> 00:00:40,300 NEW LONG-RANGE MISSILE SYSTEMS, 17 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:42,100 AND WHAT OUR TOP GUN PILOTS ARE 18 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:42,833 SEEING IN THE SKY. 19 00:00:42,833 --> 00:00:45,633 >> HOW AGGRESSIVE HAS CHINA 20 00:00:45,633 --> 00:00:46,367 BECOME IN THE AIR. 21 00:00:46,367 --> 00:00:47,600 >> AGGRESSIVE. 22 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,267 >> IS IT YOUR HOPE THAT THE 23 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:53,533 POWER OF THE U.S. NAVY, THE 24 00:00:53,533 --> 00:00:55,467 FORCE POSTURE OF THE U.S. NAVY 25 00:00:55,467 --> 00:00:58,133 WILL DETER A CHINESE INVASION OF 26 00:00:58,133 --> 00:00:58,367 TAIWAN? 27 00:00:58,367 --> 00:00:59,733 >> IT'S NOT MY HOPE. 28 00:00:59,733 --> 00:01:01,267 IT'S MY DUTY. 29 00:01:01,267 --> 00:01:04,800 >>> ROCCO COMMISSO DOESN'T 30 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,833 SUFFER FOOLS. 31 00:01:06,833 --> 00:01:09,600 BUT LIKE MOST ITALIA SOCCER 32 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,600 FANS, HE DOES SUFFER. 33 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,367 FOUR YEARS AGO HE BOUGHT THE 34 00:01:13,367 --> 00:01:14,767 TEAM IN FLORENCE WHERE GAME DAY 35 00:01:14,767 --> 00:01:19,067 IS FILLED WITH MORE AGONY AND 36 00:01:19,067 --> 00:01:24,300 ECSTASY THAN A PUCCINI OPERA. 37 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:29,533 WHEN COMMISSO BOUGHT FC IF 38 00:01:29,533 --> 00:01:31,900 IORENT INA, FIRST, IT WAS A 39 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:34,667 BARGAIN FOR A EUROPEAN CLUB AND 40 00:01:34,667 --> 00:01:37,400 SECOND, IT MET THE DEMAND OF HIS 41 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,467 WIFE, THAT IF HE WAS TO BUY A 42 00:01:39,467 --> 00:01:42,667 TEAM IT HAD TO BE SOME PLACE 43 00:01:42,667 --> 00:01:42,866 NICE. 44 00:01:42,866 --> 00:01:45,067 >> I'M LESLIE STAHL. 45 00:01:45,067 --> 00:01:46,833 >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. 46 00:01:46,833 --> 00:01:49,833 >> I'M SHARON ALFONSI. 47 00:01:49,833 --> 00:01:51,933 >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. 48 00:01:51,933 --> 00:02:04,400 >> I'M 49 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,867 SECURE VICTORY IN TWO WORLD WARS 50 00:02:05,867 --> 00:02:06,733 AND THE COLD WAR. 51 00:02:06,733 --> 00:02:09,366 TODAY, THE NAVY REMAINS A 52 00:02:09,366 --> 00:02:10,767 FORMIDABLE FIGHTING FORCE, BUT 53 00:02:10,767 --> 00:02:13,800 EVEN OFFICERS WITHIN THE SERVICE 54 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,733 HAVE QUESTIONED ITS READINESS 55 00:02:14,733 --> 00:02:16,466 WHILE THE U.S. SPENT 20 YEARS 56 00:02:16,466 --> 00:02:18,567 FIGHTING LAND WARS IN IRAQ AND 57 00:02:18,567 --> 00:02:20,466 AFGHANISTAN, THE PENTAGON 58 00:02:20,466 --> 00:02:23,133 WATCHED CHINA, ITS GREATEST 59 00:02:23,133 --> 00:02:25,100 GEO-POLITICAL RIVAL OF THE 21st 60 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:26,966 CENTURY, BUILD THE LARGEST NAVY 61 00:02:26,966 --> 00:02:27,767 IN THE WORLD. 62 00:02:27,767 --> 00:02:29,867 CHINA HAS THREATENED TO USE THAT 63 00:02:29,867 --> 00:02:33,233 NAVY TO INVADE TAIWAN, AN 64 00:02:33,233 --> 00:02:34,200 IMPORTANT AMERICAN ALLY. 65 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,267 AS TENSIONS WITH CHINA CONTINUE 66 00:02:35,267 --> 00:02:37,466 TO RISE, WE WANTED TO KNOW MORE 67 00:02:37,466 --> 00:02:38,667 ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF THE 68 00:02:38,667 --> 00:02:41,067 U.S. NAVY, HOW IT'S TRYINGTO 69 00:02:41,067 --> 00:02:43,433 DETER CHINA AND AS WE FIRST 70 00:02:43,433 --> 00:02:44,567 REPORTED IN MARCH, PREPARING FOR 71 00:02:44,567 --> 00:02:50,533 THE POSSIBILITY OF WAR. 72 00:02:50,533 --> 00:02:53,367 >> NAVY'S ALWAYS ON ALERT. 73 00:02:53,367 --> 00:02:55,633 ONE-THIRD OF THE NAVY IS ALWAYS 74 00:02:55,633 --> 00:02:57,667 DEPLOYED AND OPERATING AT ALL 75 00:02:57,667 --> 00:02:57,867 TIMES. 76 00:02:57,867 --> 00:02:59,833 THE NAVY'S MUSTERING RIGHT NOW 77 00:02:59,833 --> 00:03:01,800 ABOUT 300 SHIPS AND THERE ARE 78 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,633 ABOUT 100 SHIPS AT SEA RIGHT NOW 79 00:03:04,633 --> 00:03:05,833 ALL AROUND THE GLOBE. 80 00:03:05,833 --> 00:03:08,667 >> ADMIRAL SAMUEL PAPARO 81 00:03:08,667 --> 00:03:12,233 COMMANDS THE U.S. PACIFIC FLEET 82 00:03:12,233 --> 00:03:14,500 WHOSE 200 SHIPS AND 150,000 83 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:16,267 SAILORS AND CIVILIANS MAKE UP 84 00:03:16,267 --> 00:03:17,933 60% OF THE ENTIRE U.S. NAVY. 85 00:03:17,933 --> 00:03:19,966 WE MET HIM IN FEBRUARY ON THE 86 00:03:19,966 --> 00:03:22,800 AIRCRAFT CARRIER "USS NIMITZ" 87 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,367 DEPLOYED NEAR THE U.S. TERRITORY 88 00:03:24,367 --> 00:03:26,133 OF GUAM SOUTHEAST OF TAIWAN AND 89 00:03:26,133 --> 00:03:28,233 THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA 90 00:03:28,233 --> 00:03:29,067 OR PRC. 91 00:03:29,067 --> 00:03:31,700 >> YOU'VE BEEN OPERATING AS A 92 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:33,133 NAVAL OFFICER FOR 40 YEARS. 93 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:35,833 HOW HAS OPERATING IN THE WESTERN 94 00:03:35,833 --> 00:03:36,200 PACIFIC CHANGED? 95 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,533 >> IN THE EARLY 2000s, THE PRC 96 00:03:39,533 --> 00:03:42,667 NAVY MUSTERED ABOUT 37 VESSELS. 97 00:03:42,667 --> 00:03:46,600 TODAY THEY'RE MUSTERING 350 98 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:46,867 VESSELS. 99 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:49,500 >> IN MARCH, CHINA'S NEW FOREIGN 100 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:51,466 MINISTER, CHING GONG DELIVERED A 101 00:03:51,466 --> 00:03:52,700 STERN WARNING TO THE U.S. 102 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:54,800 HE SAID THAT IF WASHINGTON DOES 103 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,067 NOT CHANGE COURSE IN ITS STANCE 104 00:03:57,067 --> 00:03:59,300 TOWARDS CHINA, CONFLICT AND 105 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:01,067 CONFRONTATION IS INEVITABLE. 106 00:04:01,067 --> 00:04:04,367 THIS PAST AUGUST WHEN THEN 107 00:04:04,367 --> 00:04:05,633 SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE NANCY 108 00:04:05,633 --> 00:04:06,967 PELOSI BECAME THE MOST SENIOR 109 00:04:06,967 --> 00:04:08,733 U.S. POLITICAL FIGURE TO VISIT 110 00:04:08,733 --> 00:04:13,700 TAIWAN IN 25 YEARS CHINA CALLED 111 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:16,632 IT A PLABLATANT PROVOCATION. 112 00:04:16,632 --> 00:04:19,867 THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY 113 00:04:19,867 --> 00:04:21,233 FIRED BALLISTIC MISSILES AND 114 00:04:21,233 --> 00:04:22,467 ENCIRCLED THE ISLAND WITH 115 00:04:22,467 --> 00:04:23,533 AIRCRAFT AND WAR SHIPS. 116 00:04:23,533 --> 00:04:25,933 >> ARE CHINESE WAR SHIPS NOW 117 00:04:25,933 --> 00:04:28,300 OPERATING CLOSER TO TAIWAN AFTER 118 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:29,500 NANCY PELOSI'S VISIT? 119 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:30,300 >> YES. 120 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,700 >> THE BEST GUESS ANYONE HAS 121 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:34,400 ABOUT CHINA'S ULTIMATE 122 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,900 INTENTIONS FOR TAIWAN COMES FROM 123 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:37,133 THE CIA. 124 00:04:37,133 --> 00:04:39,067 ACCORDING TO ITS INTELLIGENCE 125 00:04:39,067 --> 00:04:42,467 ASSESSMENT, CHINA'S PRESIDENT XI 126 00:04:42,467 --> 00:04:44,667 JIN-PING HAS ORDERED THE 127 00:04:44,667 --> 00:04:49,367 PEOPLE'S'S LIBERATION ARMY TO BE 128 00:04:49,367 --> 00:04:50,800 PREPARED TO TAKE BACK THE ISLAND 129 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,067 BY FORCE BY 2027. 130 00:04:53,067 --> 00:04:55,533 >> IF CHINA INVADES TAIWAN WHAT 131 00:04:55,533 --> 00:04:56,633 WILL THE U.S. NAVY DO? 132 00:04:56,633 --> 00:04:57,600 >> IT'S THE DECISION OF THE 133 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,332 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 134 00:04:58,332 --> 00:04:59,533 AND THE DECISION OF THE CONGRESS 135 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:01,233 AND IT'S OUR DUTY TO BE READY 136 00:05:01,233 --> 00:05:03,467 FOR THAT, BUT THE BULK OF THE 137 00:05:03,467 --> 00:05:05,100 UNITED STATES NAVY WILL BE 138 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:07,800 DEPLOYED RAPIDLY TO THE WESTERN 139 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,967 PACIFIC TO COME TO THE AID OF 140 00:05:09,967 --> 00:05:13,067 TAIWAN IF THE ORDER COMES TO AID 141 00:05:13,067 --> 00:05:14,867 TAIWAN IN THWARTING THAT 142 00:05:14,867 --> 00:05:15,133 INVASION. 143 00:05:15,133 --> 00:05:16,667 >> IS THE U.S. NAVY READY? 144 00:05:16,667 --> 00:05:20,067 >> WE ARE READY. 145 00:05:20,067 --> 00:05:20,167 YES. 146 00:05:20,167 --> 00:05:23,667 I'LL NEVER ADMIT TO BEING READY 147 00:05:23,667 --> 00:05:23,900 ENOUGH. 148 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:25,067 >> PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS DECLARED 149 00:05:25,067 --> 00:05:27,733 FOUR TIMES INCLUDING ON "60 150 00:05:27,733 --> 00:05:29,200 MINUTES" THAT THE U.S. MILITARY 151 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,500 WOULD DEFEND TAIWAN WHICH IS A 152 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:32,800 DEMOCRACY AND THE WORLD'S 153 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,300 LEADING PRODUCER OF ADVANCED 154 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:35,867 MICROCHIPS. 155 00:05:35,867 --> 00:05:36,933 >> 604. 156 00:05:36,933 --> 00:05:40,767 >> TO REACH THE "USS NIMITZ" WE 157 00:05:40,767 --> 00:05:42,067 FIRST TRAVELED TO AMERICA'S 158 00:05:42,067 --> 00:05:43,200 WESTERNMOST TERRITORY, THE 159 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,700 ISLAND OF GUAM IN THE MIDDLE OF 160 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,667 THE PACIFIC. 161 00:05:46,667 --> 00:05:49,100 GUAM WAS TAKEN BY IMPERIAL JAPAN 162 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:51,533 TWO DAYS AFTER THE ATTACK ON 163 00:05:51,533 --> 00:05:53,667 PEARL HARBOR IN 1941. 164 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:55,900 U.S. MARINES RECAPTURED IT TWO 165 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:57,067 AND A HALF YEARS LATER AND THE 166 00:05:57,067 --> 00:05:59,800 ISLAND ABOUT THE SIZE OF CHICAGO 167 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,500 BECAME AN INDISPENSABLE 168 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:05,367 STRATEGIC FOOTHOLD IN THE 169 00:06:05,367 --> 00:06:07,267 WESTERN PACIFIC AS IT IS TODAY. 170 00:06:07,267 --> 00:06:10,867 FROM GUAM WE BOARDED THE NAMY 171 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:11,533 C-2 GREYHOUND. 172 00:06:11,533 --> 00:06:13,367 A TRANSPORT PLANE TAKES PEOPLE 173 00:06:13,367 --> 00:06:14,667 AND SUPPLIES BACK AND FORTH FROM 174 00:06:14,667 --> 00:06:18,267 LAND TO THE CARRIER. 175 00:06:18,267 --> 00:06:20,733 >> IT WAS A SHORT FLIGHT TO THE 176 00:06:20,733 --> 00:06:21,500 SHIP, AND AN EVEN SHORTER 177 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:26,067 LANDING. 178 00:06:26,067 --> 00:06:28,300 >> INCREDIBLE. 179 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:28,900 >> FIRST LANDING? 180 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:29,600 >> YES. 181 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,233 >> VERY NICE. 182 00:06:31,233 --> 00:06:34,067 >> BEFORE ADMIRAL PAPARO ROSE TO 183 00:06:34,067 --> 00:06:35,700 LEAD THE PACIFIC FLEET HE FLEW 184 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:37,167 JETS AND GRADUATED FROM THE 185 00:06:37,167 --> 00:06:38,400 SCHOOL KNOWN AS TOP GUN. 186 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:39,800 >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SHIPS, 187 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,500 WHAT'S THE MOST POWERFUL IN THE 188 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:42,332 U.S. NAVY? 189 00:06:42,332 --> 00:06:44,332 >> IT'S AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER AND 190 00:06:44,332 --> 00:06:47,700 ITS AIR WING IS CAPABLE OF 150 191 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:50,567 STRIKE OR AIR TO AIR SORTIES PER 192 00:06:50,567 --> 00:06:53,700 DAY WITH ADDED SURGE LEVELS, THE 193 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:56,600 ABILITY TO DELIVER 900 194 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,067 PRECISION-GUIDED MUNITIONS EVERY 195 00:06:58,067 --> 00:07:01,133 DAY AND RE-LOADABLE EVERY NIGHT. 196 00:07:01,133 --> 00:07:03,133 >> EVEN THOUGH CHINA NOW HAS THE 197 00:07:03,133 --> 00:07:04,567 LARGEST NAVY IN THE WORLD, THEY 198 00:07:04,567 --> 00:07:06,067 DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN 199 00:07:06,067 --> 00:07:07,500 TERMS OF AIRCRAFT CARRIERS? 200 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:09,167 >> THEY DO NOT, BUT THEY'RE 201 00:07:09,167 --> 00:07:10,567 WORKING TOWARDS IT, AND THEY 202 00:07:10,567 --> 00:07:12,367 HAVE TWO OPERATIONAL AIRCRAFT 203 00:07:12,367 --> 00:07:12,967 CARRIERS RIGHT NOW. 204 00:07:12,967 --> 00:07:16,733 >> THAT'S CHINA'S TWO 205 00:07:16,733 --> 00:07:18,733 DIESEL-FUELED CARRIERS TO THE 206 00:07:18,733 --> 00:07:20,433 U.S.' 11 NUCLEAR POWERED ONES 207 00:07:20,433 --> 00:07:22,900 THAT CAN CARRY A TOTAL OF ABOUT 208 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:24,067 A THOUSAND ATTACK AIRCRAFT MORE 209 00:07:24,067 --> 00:07:26,332 THAN THE NAVYS OF EVERY OTHER 210 00:07:26,332 --> 00:07:28,933 NATION ON EARTH COMBINED. 211 00:07:28,933 --> 00:07:29,933 >> I'LL TELL YOU THIS, WE ARE 212 00:07:29,933 --> 00:07:32,300 HERE TO STAY, RIGHT? 213 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:33,332 IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA AND IN 214 00:07:33,332 --> 00:07:34,332 THIS PART OF THE WORLD AND 215 00:07:34,332 --> 00:07:35,767 THAT'S THE MESSAGE WE REALLY 216 00:07:35,767 --> 00:07:37,433 WANT TO CONVEY TO NOT ONLY 217 00:07:37,433 --> 00:07:39,800 CHINA, BUT THE ENTIRE WORLD. 218 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,733 WE WILL SAIL WHEREVER 219 00:07:40,733 --> 00:07:41,867 INTERNATIONAL LAW ALLOWS. 220 00:07:41,867 --> 00:07:43,900 >> LIEUTENANT COMMANDER DAVID 221 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:47,167 ASH FLIES AN FA-18. 222 00:07:47,167 --> 00:07:51,067 >> DO YOU GET BRIEFED ON CHINA'S 223 00:07:51,067 --> 00:07:54,433 GROWING MILITARY THREAT AND THE 224 00:07:54,433 --> 00:07:55,867 PROGRESS THAT THEIR NAVY IS 225 00:07:55,867 --> 00:07:57,400 MAKING? 226 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:57,733 >> ABSOLUTELY. 227 00:07:57,733 --> 00:07:57,933 YEAH. 228 00:07:57,933 --> 00:07:59,900 ABSOLUTELY, WE DO, AND THEY'RE 229 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:01,067 MAKING GREAT PROGRESS IN A LOT 230 00:08:01,067 --> 00:08:01,933 OF KEY AREAS. 231 00:08:01,933 --> 00:08:03,133 >> THE CHINESE. 232 00:08:03,133 --> 00:08:04,900 >> THE CHINESE ARE, FROM THE 233 00:08:04,900 --> 00:08:05,867 MILITARY STANDPOINT. 234 00:08:05,867 --> 00:08:07,700 >> THIS VIDEO FROM WEAPONS 235 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:09,133 SYSTEMS OFFICER LIEUTENANT 236 00:08:09,133 --> 00:08:11,100 COMMANDER MATTHEW CARLTON SHOWS 237 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,300 HIS FA-18 GROUND TARGETS WITH A 238 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:16,433 MACHINE GUN ON A U.S. WEAPONS 239 00:08:16,433 --> 00:08:19,633 RANGE NEAR GUAM. 240 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:22,367 >> THE PILOTS ON THE NIMITZ ALSO 241 00:08:22,367 --> 00:08:24,467 CONDUCT AIR TO AIR COMBAT OR 242 00:08:24,467 --> 00:08:27,133 DOGFIGHTING DRILLS DAILY. 243 00:08:27,133 --> 00:08:29,367 >> HOW AGGRESSIVE HAS CHINA 244 00:08:29,367 --> 00:08:30,867 BECOME IN THE AIR? 245 00:08:30,867 --> 00:08:33,067 >> AGGRESSIVE, AND JUST SOME 246 00:08:33,067 --> 00:08:35,299 EXAMPLES INCLUDE UNSAFE, 247 00:08:35,299 --> 00:08:36,799 UNPROFESSIONAL INTERCEPTS WHERE 248 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:39,067 THEY MOVE WITHIN SINGLE DIGITS 249 00:08:39,067 --> 00:08:42,732 OF FEET OF OTHER AIRCRAFT, 250 00:08:42,732 --> 00:08:43,366 FLASHING THE WEAPONS THAT THEY 251 00:08:43,366 --> 00:08:45,300 HAVE ONBOARD TO THE AIR CREW OF 252 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:48,500 THE AIRCRAFT, OPERATING IN 253 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:49,067 INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE. 254 00:08:49,067 --> 00:08:49,767 MANEUVERING THEIR AIRCRAFT IN 255 00:08:49,767 --> 00:08:51,633 SUCH A WAY THAT DENIES THE 256 00:08:51,633 --> 00:08:53,733 ABILITY TO TURN IN ONE 257 00:08:53,733 --> 00:08:54,067 DIRECTION. 258 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:57,333 IF THEY'RE SAFE AND PROFESSIONAL 259 00:08:57,333 --> 00:08:58,200 THEN THERE'S NO PROBLEM. 260 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,067 EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO FLY 261 00:09:01,067 --> 00:09:02,900 AND SAIL WHEREVER INTERNATIONAL 262 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:03,567 LAW DICTATES. 263 00:09:03,567 --> 00:09:06,067 >> BUT THE CHINESE ARE PUSHING 264 00:09:06,067 --> 00:09:06,267 THAT. 265 00:09:06,267 --> 00:09:07,600 >> THEY ARE PUSHING IT. 266 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,633 >> CHINA'S INCREASINGLY 267 00:09:11,633 --> 00:09:12,267 AGGRESSIVE MOVES IN THE WESTERN 268 00:09:12,267 --> 00:09:13,100 PACIFIC ENCROACHING ON 269 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:14,433 TERRITORY, ILLEGAL FISHING AND 270 00:09:14,433 --> 00:09:15,833 BUILDING BASES IN THE MIDDLE OF 271 00:09:15,833 --> 00:09:18,267 THE SOUTH CHINA SEA HAVE PUSHED 272 00:09:18,267 --> 00:09:20,333 NATIONS LIKE JAPAN AND THE 273 00:09:20,333 --> 00:09:21,767 PHILIPPINES TO FORGE CLOSER 274 00:09:21,767 --> 00:09:25,267 MILITARY TIES TO THE U.S. AND 275 00:09:25,267 --> 00:09:26,933 EARLIER THIS YEAR BRITAIN, THE 276 00:09:26,933 --> 00:09:30,267 U.S. AND AUSTRALIA SIGNED A 277 00:09:30,267 --> 00:09:32,567 LANDMARK DEAL TO JOINTLY DEVELOP 278 00:09:32,567 --> 00:09:34,800 NUCLEAR POWERED ATTACK 279 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,167 SUBMARINES TO PATROL THE 280 00:09:36,167 --> 00:09:36,400 PACIFIC. 281 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,400 >> THIS IS HOW CHINA AND TAIWAN 282 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,500 APPEAR ON MOST MAPS. 283 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:43,500 THIS IS HOW THE CHINESE 284 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:44,700 COMMUNIST PARTY SEES THE WESTERN 285 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:46,300 PACIFIC INCLUDING THE SOUTH AND 286 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:49,867 EAST CHINA SEAS FROM BEIJING. 287 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:51,967 TAIWAN IS THE FULCRUM IN WHAT 288 00:09:51,967 --> 00:09:53,767 CHINA'S LEADERS CALL THE FIRST 289 00:09:53,767 --> 00:09:54,967 ISLAND CHAIN. 290 00:09:54,967 --> 00:09:56,567 A CONSTELLATION OF U.S. ALLIES 291 00:09:56,567 --> 00:09:59,767 THAT STRETCHES ACROSS ITS ENTIRE 292 00:09:59,767 --> 00:10:00,067 COAST. 293 00:10:00,067 --> 00:10:02,333 CONTROL OF TAIWAN IS THE 294 00:10:02,333 --> 00:10:03,700 STRATEGIC KEY TO UNLOCKING 295 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:07,000 DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PACIFIC AND 296 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,900 THE SEA LANES WHERE ABOUT 50% OF 297 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:11,200 THE WORLD'S COMMERCE GETS 298 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:11,667 TRANSPORTED. 299 00:10:11,667 --> 00:10:13,467 >> CHINA HAS ACCUSED THE UNITED 300 00:10:13,467 --> 00:10:18,000 STATES OF TRYING TO CONTAIN 301 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:18,200 THEM. 302 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,367 WHAT DO YOU SAY TO CHINA? 303 00:10:19,367 --> 00:10:21,667 >> I WOULD SAY DO YOU NEED TO BE 304 00:10:21,667 --> 00:10:21,933 CONTAINED? 305 00:10:21,933 --> 00:10:23,667 ARE YOU EXPANDING? 306 00:10:23,667 --> 00:10:26,267 ARE YOU AN EXPANSIONIST POWER? 307 00:10:26,267 --> 00:10:27,267 TO A VERY GREAT EXTENT THE 308 00:10:27,267 --> 00:10:31,167 UNITED STATES WAS THE CHAMPION 309 00:10:31,167 --> 00:10:33,167 FOR CHINA'S RISE, AND IN NO WAY 310 00:10:33,167 --> 00:10:37,767 ARE WE SEEKING TO CONTAIN CHINA, 311 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:39,433 BUT WE ARE SEEKING FOR THEM TO 312 00:10:39,433 --> 00:10:41,133 PLAY BY THE RULES. 313 00:10:41,133 --> 00:10:43,467 >> CHINA'S NAVY, A BRANCH OF THE 314 00:10:43,467 --> 00:10:44,833 PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY, IS NOW 315 00:10:44,833 --> 00:10:47,200 THE WORLD'S LARGEST. 316 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,567 CHINA IS ALSO USING ITS 9,000 317 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:53,200 MILE COASTLINE TO RE-WRITE THE 318 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,867 RULES OF FIGHTING AT SEA AS 319 00:10:54,867 --> 00:10:58,067 THESE IMAGES FROM CHINESE STATE 320 00:10:58,067 --> 00:10:58,367 MEDIA SHOW. 321 00:10:58,367 --> 00:10:59,700 ITS MILITARY HAS INVESTED 322 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:02,133 HEAVILY IN LONG-RANGE, 323 00:11:02,133 --> 00:11:03,567 PRECISION-GUIDED WEAPONS LIKE 324 00:11:03,567 --> 00:11:06,267 THE DF-21 AND THE DF-26 THAT CAN 325 00:11:06,267 --> 00:11:10,533 BE USED TO TARGET SHIPS. 326 00:11:10,533 --> 00:11:12,933 >> CHINA'S PEOPLE'S LIBERATION 327 00:11:12,933 --> 00:11:14,967 ARMY ROCKET FORCE CALLS THEM 328 00:11:14,967 --> 00:11:17,500 CARRIER KILLERS AND HAS 329 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:19,067 PRACTICED SHOOTING THEM AT 330 00:11:19,067 --> 00:11:20,267 MOCK-UPS AT AMERICAN SHIPS IN 331 00:11:20,267 --> 00:11:22,533 THE DESERT THAT LOOK A LOT LIKE 332 00:11:22,533 --> 00:11:22,833 THE NIMITZ. 333 00:11:22,833 --> 00:11:23,500 >> SINCE THE UNITED STATES HAS 334 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:26,067 BEEN OPERATING IN THE WESTERN 335 00:11:26,067 --> 00:11:28,067 PACIFIC, CHINA'S BACKYARD, 336 00:11:28,067 --> 00:11:30,167 THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPING MISSILES 337 00:11:30,167 --> 00:11:33,567 TO ATTACK OUR ASSETS, HAVEN'T 338 00:11:33,567 --> 00:11:34,200 THEY? 339 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:34,600 SPECIFIC MISSILES. 340 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,500 >> ABSOLUTELY, YES. 341 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:37,267 >> FIRST, I'LL SAY THE UNITED 342 00:11:37,267 --> 00:11:39,633 STATES IS ALSO A WESTERN PACIFIC 343 00:11:39,633 --> 00:11:40,233 NATION. 344 00:11:40,233 --> 00:11:40,500 >> GUAM. 345 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,967 >> IT'S NOT CHINA'S BACKYARD. 346 00:11:42,967 --> 00:11:45,600 IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS A FREE AND 347 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,367 OPEN INDO-PACIFIC THAT 348 00:11:48,367 --> 00:11:49,433 ENCOMPASSES NUMEROUS PARTNERS 349 00:11:49,433 --> 00:11:52,733 AND TREATY ALLIES AND YES, WE 350 00:11:52,733 --> 00:11:55,267 HAVE SEEN THEM GREATLY ENHANCED, 351 00:11:55,267 --> 00:11:58,367 THEIR POWER PROJECTION 352 00:11:58,367 --> 00:11:58,667 CAPABILITY. 353 00:11:58,667 --> 00:12:02,833 >> HOW MUCH DO YOU WORRY THE PLA 354 00:12:02,833 --> 00:12:03,267 ROCKET FORCE? 355 00:12:03,267 --> 00:12:08,133 >> I WORRY ABOUT THE L.A. ROCKET 356 00:12:08,133 --> 00:12:08,900 FORCE AND OF COURSE, I WORK 357 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:10,933 EVERY SINGLE DAY TO HAVE THE 358 00:12:10,933 --> 00:12:14,600 PROCEDURES TO COUNTER IT AND TO 359 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,267 CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE SYSTEMS 360 00:12:15,267 --> 00:12:18,067 ITS THAT CAN ALSO DEFEND FROM 361 00:12:18,067 --> 00:12:18,233 THAT. 362 00:12:18,233 --> 00:12:19,800 >> HOW FAR ARE WE FROM CHINA? 363 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,233 >> 1500 NAUTICAL MILES. 364 00:12:21,233 --> 00:12:22,333 >> THEY CAN HIT US. 365 00:12:22,333 --> 00:12:23,600 >> YES, THEY CAN. 366 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,300 IF THEY HAVE THE TARGETING IN 367 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:27,533 PLACE THEY CAN HIT THIS AIRCRAFT 368 00:12:27,533 --> 00:12:27,767 CARRIER. 369 00:12:27,767 --> 00:12:28,767 IF I DON'T WANT TO BE HIT 370 00:12:28,767 --> 00:12:30,100 THERE'S SOMETHING I CAN DO ABOUT 371 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:30,267 IT. 372 00:12:30,267 --> 00:12:32,067 >> U.S. NAVY PLANNERS AREN'T 373 00:12:32,067 --> 00:12:35,667 JUST PLOTTING HOW TO EVADE 374 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:37,533 CHINA'S ROCKET FORCE, BUT ALSO 375 00:12:37,533 --> 00:12:39,467 HOW THEY CAN EFFECTIVELY FIGHT 376 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:39,667 BACK. 377 00:12:39,667 --> 00:12:41,433 FROM THE VICINITY OF GUAM, NONE 378 00:12:41,433 --> 00:12:43,100 OF THE AIRCRAFT ON THIS SHIP HAS 379 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:45,300 THE RANGE TO APPROACH TAIWAN 380 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:49,400 WITHOUT REFUELING IN THE AIR. 381 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,167 SHIPS LIKE THE U.S. DESTROYER 382 00:12:51,167 --> 00:12:53,200 WAYNE E. MEYER, PART OF THE 383 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,867 NIMITZ STRIKE GROUP, WOULD NEED 384 00:12:54,867 --> 00:12:56,600 TO SAIL MUCH CLOSER TOWARDS 385 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,867 CHINA TO FIRE THEIR MISSILES AT 386 00:12:58,867 --> 00:13:02,500 ANY FORCE INVADING TAIWAN. 387 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:05,467 ONE NAVAL SCHOLAR WE SPOKE TO 388 00:13:05,467 --> 00:13:07,367 LIKENED IT TO A BOXING MATCH IN 389 00:13:07,367 --> 00:13:09,900 WHICH A FIGHTER, IN THIS CASE, 390 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:11,633 CHINA, HAS MUCH LONGER ARMS THAN 391 00:13:11,633 --> 00:13:13,933 THEIR POTENTIAL OPPONENT, THE 392 00:13:13,933 --> 00:13:14,133 U.S. 393 00:13:14,133 --> 00:13:15,667 >> I'LL GIVE YOU A LOT OF 394 00:13:15,667 --> 00:13:16,867 EXAMPLES WHERE A SHORTER FIGHTER 395 00:13:16,867 --> 00:13:20,400 WAS ABLE TO PREVAIL OVER A LONG 396 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,200 FOREIGN FIGHTER BY BEING ON 397 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:26,833 THEIR TOES, BY MANEUVERING AND 398 00:13:26,833 --> 00:13:29,500 WE CAN ALSO STICK AND MOVE WHILE 399 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,067 WE'RE DEVELOPING THOSE 400 00:13:31,067 --> 00:13:32,067 LONGER-RANGE WEAPONS. 401 00:13:32,067 --> 00:13:33,633 >> THERE IS ANOTHER AREA OF 402 00:13:33,633 --> 00:13:35,333 MODERN NAVAL WARFARE WHERE THE 403 00:13:35,333 --> 00:13:37,300 U.S. HAD A HEAD START AND 404 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:39,533 RETAINS A DEEP ADVANTAGE OVER 405 00:13:39,533 --> 00:13:39,733 CHINA. 406 00:13:39,733 --> 00:13:41,300 >> I JUST NOTICED OUT OF THE 407 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:42,300 CORNER OF MY EYE. 408 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:45,700 >> THIS IS A 688 CLASS, A LOS 409 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,300 ANGELES CLASS ATTACK SUBMARINE. 410 00:13:47,300 --> 00:13:51,833 THIS IS THE MOST CAPABLE SUB FOR 411 00:13:51,833 --> 00:13:52,933 SUBMARINE ON THE PLANET AND WITH 412 00:13:52,933 --> 00:13:54,233 THE EXCEPTION OF THE VIRGINIA 413 00:13:54,233 --> 00:13:56,333 CLASS, OUR NEWER CLASS OF 414 00:13:56,333 --> 00:13:56,633 SUBMARINES. 415 00:13:56,633 --> 00:13:57,700 >> THE EXACT NUMBER IS 416 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:59,367 CLASSIFIED AND OUR BEST ESTIMATE 417 00:13:59,367 --> 00:14:01,667 IS THERE ARE ABOUT A DOZEN 418 00:14:01,667 --> 00:14:03,600 FAST-ATTACK SUBMARINES 419 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,067 PATROLLING THE PACIFIC IN REAL 420 00:14:05,067 --> 00:14:08,400 TIME AND THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO 421 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,100 DETECT, SOMETHING CHINA IS 422 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:10,500 TRYING TO SOLVE. 423 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:12,067 >> HOW MUCH MORE ADVANCE SIDE 424 00:14:12,067 --> 00:14:14,633 U.S. SUBMARINE TECHNOLOGY THAN 425 00:14:14,633 --> 00:14:15,067 CHINESE CAPABILITY? 426 00:14:15,067 --> 00:14:16,067 >> A GENERATION. 427 00:14:16,067 --> 00:14:17,467 >> A GENERATION. 428 00:14:17,467 --> 00:14:19,600 >> AND BY A GENERATION, THINK 429 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,900 TEN OR 20 YEARS, BUT BROADLY, I 430 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:26,433 DON'T REALLY TALK IN-DEPTH ABOUT 431 00:14:26,433 --> 00:14:27,400 SUBMARINE CAPABILITIES. 432 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,600 IT'S THE SILENT SERVICE. 433 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,833 >> SINCE NANCY PELOSI'S VISIT TO 434 00:14:30,833 --> 00:14:32,200 TAIWAN, CHINA'S MILITARY LEADERS 435 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,933 HAVE THEMSELVES BEEN MOSTLY 436 00:14:33,933 --> 00:14:35,600 SILENT AND IGNORED EFFORTS BY 437 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,100 THE U.S. MILITARY TO KEEP THE 438 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,600 LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN, 439 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,167 EVEN WHEN A CHINESE SPY BALLOON 440 00:14:42,167 --> 00:14:44,533 REACHED AMERICAN AIRSPACE AND 441 00:14:44,533 --> 00:14:45,967 WAS SHOT DOWN BY THE U.S. 442 00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:48,067 >> IF THE U.S. AND CHINESE 443 00:14:48,067 --> 00:14:48,933 MILITARIES CAN'T COMMUNICATE 444 00:14:48,933 --> 00:14:51,300 OVER A CHINESE SPY BALLOON, THEN 445 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:52,500 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN 446 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:54,067 THERE'S A REAL CRISIS IN THE 447 00:14:54,067 --> 00:14:56,367 SOUTH CHINA SEA WITH TAIWAN? 448 00:14:56,367 --> 00:15:00,067 >> WE'LL HOPE THAT THEY'LL 449 00:15:00,067 --> 00:15:02,267 ANSWER THE PHONE. 450 00:15:02,267 --> 00:15:04,233 OR ELSE WE'LL DO OUR VERY BEST 451 00:15:04,233 --> 00:15:05,667 ASSESSMENT BASED ON THE THINGS 452 00:15:05,667 --> 00:15:07,667 THAT THEY SAY IN OPEN SOURCE, 453 00:15:07,667 --> 00:15:11,467 BASED ON THEIR BEHAVIOR TO 454 00:15:11,467 --> 00:15:12,767 DIVINE THEIR INTENTIONS AND 455 00:15:12,767 --> 00:15:14,100 WE'LL ACT ACCORDINGLY. 456 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:15,633 >> DOESN'T THAT MAKE THE 457 00:15:15,633 --> 00:15:17,333 SITUATION EVEN MORE DANGEROUS IF 458 00:15:17,333 --> 00:15:19,067 U.S. AND CHINESE MILITARIES ARE 459 00:15:19,067 --> 00:15:19,333 NOT TALKING? 460 00:15:19,333 --> 00:15:21,467 >> YES. 461 00:15:21,467 --> 00:15:24,067 >> SEVERAL SOURCES WITHIN THE 462 00:15:24,067 --> 00:15:28,067 PENTAGON TELLS "60 MINUTES" THAT 463 00:15:28,067 --> 00:15:29,900 IF CHINA INVADED TAIWAN IT CAN 464 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:32,500 KICK OFF IN OUTER SPACE, WITH 465 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:33,933 BOTH SIDES TARGETING THE OTHER 466 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:35,433 SATELLITES THAT ENABLE 467 00:15:35,433 --> 00:15:36,700 PRESIGSZ-GUIDED WEAPONRY. 468 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:38,700 CYBER ATTACKS ON AMERICAN CITIES 469 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:40,433 AND THE SABOTAGE OF PORTS ON THE 470 00:15:40,433 --> 00:15:43,800 WEST COAST OF THE U.S. MAINLAND 471 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:44,600 COULD FOLLOW. 472 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,167 ONE RECENT NON-CLASSIFIED WAR 473 00:15:47,167 --> 00:15:49,400 GAME HAD THE U.S. PREVAILING AND 474 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,500 LOSING 20 SHIPS INCLUDING TWO 475 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:51,767 CARRIERS. 476 00:15:51,767 --> 00:15:52,900 DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? 477 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:55,933 >> THAT IS A PLAUSIBLE OUTCOME. 478 00:15:55,933 --> 00:15:59,133 I CAN IMAGINE A MORE PESSIMISTIC 479 00:15:59,133 --> 00:16:01,367 OUTCOME, AND I CAN IMAGINE A 480 00:16:01,367 --> 00:16:02,867 MORE OPTIMISTIC OUTCOME. 481 00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:05,300 WE SHOULD BE CLEAR-EYED ABOUT 482 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:06,467 THE COSTS THAT WE ARE 483 00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:07,600 POTENTIALLY INCURRING. 484 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,533 >> THERE ARE ABOUT 5,000 485 00:16:09,533 --> 00:16:12,433 AMERICANS ONBOARD THE NIMITZ. 486 00:16:12,433 --> 00:16:15,967 THE SHIP IS NEARLY HALF A 487 00:16:15,967 --> 00:16:17,900 CENTURY OLD, GIVEN THE NAVY'S 488 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:19,067 CURRENT NEED IN THE PACIFIC AND 489 00:16:19,067 --> 00:16:21,167 BECAUSE THERE'S FUEL LEFT IN ITS 490 00:16:21,167 --> 00:16:22,733 NUCLEAR REACTORS AND THE 491 00:16:22,733 --> 00:16:24,333 CARRIER'S LIFE AT SEA IS GOING 492 00:16:24,333 --> 00:16:25,133 TO BE EXTENDED. 493 00:16:25,133 --> 00:16:28,267 >> IS IT YOUR HOPE THAT THE 494 00:16:28,267 --> 00:16:30,367 POWER OF THE U.S. NAVY, THE 495 00:16:30,367 --> 00:16:32,233 FORCED POSTURE OF THE U.S. NAVY 496 00:16:32,233 --> 00:16:35,567 WILL DETER A CHINESE INVASION OF 497 00:16:35,567 --> 00:16:35,800 TAIWAN? 498 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,267 >> IT'S NOT MY HOPE. 499 00:16:37,267 --> 00:16:39,067 IT'S MY DUTY IN CONJUNCTION WITH 500 00:16:39,067 --> 00:16:42,233 ALLIES AND PARTNERS TO DELIVER 501 00:16:42,233 --> 00:16:42,900 INTOLERABLE COSTS TO ANYBODY 502 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:45,067 THAT WOULD UP END THE ORDER IN 503 00:16:45,067 --> 00:16:46,567 VIOLATION OF THE NATION'S 504 00:16:46,567 --> 00:16:49,133 SECURITY OR IN VIOLATION OF THE 505 00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:49,733 NATION'S INTERESTS. 506 00:16:49,733 --> 00:16:55,633 THE SAYING WHICH IS -- IN ONE 507 00:16:55,633 --> 00:16:56,567 PIECE, PREPARE FOR WAR. 508 00:16:56,567 --> 00:16:58,333 >> SINCE OUR STORY FIRST AIRED 509 00:16:58,333 --> 00:17:00,867 IN MARCH, CHINA HAS INTENSIFIED 510 00:17:00,867 --> 00:17:03,267 ITS AGGRESSIVE MILITARY TACTICS 511 00:17:03,267 --> 00:17:04,467 IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC. 512 00:17:04,467 --> 00:17:06,700 IN JUNE, A CHINESE WAR SHIP 513 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:08,532 NEARLY COLLIDED WITH A U.S. 514 00:17:08,532 --> 00:17:11,933 DESTROYER IN THE TAIWAN STRAIT. 515 00:17:11,933 --> 00:17:12,532 WHEN WE RETURN, CRITICAL 516 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:13,567 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STATE OF THE 517 00:17:13,567 --> 00:17:26,133 U.S. NAVY AND ITS READINESS. 518 00:17:26,133 --> 00:17:28,767 >>> "60 MINUTES" SPENT MONTHS 519 00:17:28,767 --> 00:17:30,067 TALKING TO CURRENT AND FORMAL 520 00:17:30,067 --> 00:17:32,433 NAVAL OFFICERS, MILITARY 521 00:17:32,433 --> 00:17:33,067 STRATEGISTS AND POLITICIANS 522 00:17:33,067 --> 00:17:34,900 ABOUT THE STATE OF THE U.S. 523 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:35,100 NAVY. 524 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:37,300 ONE COMMON THREAD IN OUR 525 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:38,867 REPORTING IS UNEASE, BOTH ABOUT 526 00:17:38,867 --> 00:17:40,533 THE SIZE OF THE U.S. FLEET AND 527 00:17:40,533 --> 00:17:42,833 ITS READINESS TO FIGHT. 528 00:17:42,833 --> 00:17:44,800 THE NAVY SHIPS ARE BEING RETIRED 529 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,767 FASTER THAN THEY'RE GETTING 530 00:17:46,767 --> 00:17:47,067 REPLACED. 531 00:17:47,067 --> 00:17:48,600 WHILE THE NAVY OF THE PEOPLE'S 532 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,567 REPUBLIC OF CHINA OR PRC GROWS 533 00:17:51,567 --> 00:17:53,900 LARGER AND MORE LETHAL BY THE 534 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:54,967 YEAR, WE FIRST ASKED THE 535 00:17:54,967 --> 00:17:56,533 COMMANDER OF THE U.S. PACIFIC 536 00:17:56,533 --> 00:17:59,067 FLEET ADMIRAL SAMUEL PAPARO 537 00:17:59,067 --> 00:18:01,833 ABOUT THIS ON OUR VISIT EARLIER 538 00:18:01,833 --> 00:18:03,333 THIS YEAR TO THE "USS NIMITZ," 539 00:18:03,333 --> 00:18:07,267 THE OLDEST AIRCRAFT CARRIER IN 540 00:18:07,267 --> 00:18:07,533 THE NAVY. 541 00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:10,267 >> WE CALL IT THE DECADE OF 542 00:18:10,267 --> 00:18:10,733 CONCERN. 543 00:18:10,733 --> 00:18:14,067 WE'VE SEEN A TENFOLD INCREASE IN 544 00:18:14,067 --> 00:18:16,133 THE SIZE OF THE PRC NAVY. 545 00:18:16,133 --> 00:18:17,967 >> TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THE 546 00:18:17,967 --> 00:18:20,333 CHINESE NOW HAVE THE LARGEST 547 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,067 NAVY IN THE WORLD IN TERMS OF 548 00:18:22,067 --> 00:18:23,700 NUMBER OF SHIPS, CORRECT? 549 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:23,933 >> YES. 550 00:18:23,933 --> 00:18:25,067 >> DO THE NUMBERS MATTER? 551 00:18:25,067 --> 00:18:26,067 >> YES. 552 00:18:26,067 --> 00:18:28,067 AS THE SAYING GOES, QUANTITY HAS 553 00:18:28,067 --> 00:18:29,533 A QUALITY ALL ITS OWN. 554 00:18:29,533 --> 00:18:31,400 >> AT SOME POINT ARE THEY GOING 555 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,767 TO REACH NUMBERS THAT WE CAN'T 556 00:18:33,767 --> 00:18:34,600 PREVAIL OVER? 557 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,733 >> I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE 558 00:18:36,733 --> 00:18:37,067 TRAJECTORY. 559 00:18:37,067 --> 00:18:40,167 >> IF YOU LOOK AT A MAP OF THE 560 00:18:40,167 --> 00:18:43,800 INDO-PACIFIC, ONE THING BECOMES 561 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,267 CLEAR THERE'S A LOT OF WATER ON 562 00:18:45,267 --> 00:18:48,967 THAT MAP SO OURS HAS TO BE A 563 00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:49,400 MARITIME STRATEGY. 564 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,433 >> REPUBLICAN MIKE GALLAGHER AND 565 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:54,233 DEMOCRAT ELAINE LURIA SERVE 566 00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:55,933 TOGETHER ON THE HOUSE ARMED 567 00:18:55,933 --> 00:18:56,933 SERVICES COMMITTEE. 568 00:18:56,933 --> 00:18:59,300 >> WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE U.S. 569 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:00,800 NAVY THAT HAS ALLOWED YOU TO 570 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,233 SHARE A COMMON CAUSE. 571 00:19:03,233 --> 00:19:04,433 >> WE SEE THE URGENCY OF THE 572 00:19:04,433 --> 00:19:05,833 MOMENT AND INCREASED THREATS 573 00:19:05,833 --> 00:19:07,733 FROM CHINA IN THE INDO-PACIFIC. 574 00:19:07,733 --> 00:19:09,200 WE FEEL WE'RE NOT MOVING FAST 575 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,233 ENOUGH TO BUILD A BIGGER NAVY. 576 00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:13,100 >> CONGRESSMAN GAG GER IS A 577 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:14,500 MARINE VETERAN WHO REPRESENTS 578 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:15,933 GREEN BAY, WISCONSIN. 579 00:19:15,933 --> 00:19:17,400 HE CHAIRS THE NEW HOUSE 580 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,267 COMMITTEE ON CHINA. 581 00:19:18,267 --> 00:19:20,067 HE'S CONCERNED THAT UNDER THE 582 00:19:20,067 --> 00:19:21,433 NAVY'S CURRENT PLAN, THE FLEET 583 00:19:21,433 --> 00:19:24,200 WILL SHRINK TO ABOUT 280 SHIPS 584 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,367 BY 2027, THE SAME YEAR THE CIA 585 00:19:27,367 --> 00:19:30,500 SAYS CHINA HAS SET FOR HAVING 586 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:32,767 THE CAPABILITY TO TAKE TAIWAN BY 587 00:19:32,767 --> 00:19:32,967 FORCE. 588 00:19:32,967 --> 00:19:34,833 >> SO WE'LL BE WEAKEST WHEN OUR 589 00:19:34,833 --> 00:19:37,333 ENEMY IS POTENTIALLY STRONGEST. 590 00:19:37,333 --> 00:19:38,600 >> CHINA'S INCREASED RHETORIC 591 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,700 AND POTENTIAL AGGRESSION AGAINST 592 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:42,300 TAIWAN, WE HAVE TO BE READY TO 593 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:44,100 RESPOND TODAY WITH THE FORCES WE 594 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:44,400 HAVE TODAY. 595 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,200 >> FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN ELAINE 596 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,167 LURIA REPRESENTED VIRGINIA BEACH 597 00:19:49,167 --> 00:19:50,500 UNTIL THIS PAST JANUARY. 598 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:52,500 AN ANNAPOLIS GRADUATE, LURIA HAD 599 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:56,067 A 20-YEAR NAVAL CAREER BEFORE 600 00:19:56,067 --> 00:19:57,267 BEING ELECTED TO CONGRESS. 601 00:19:57,267 --> 00:19:59,067 >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE STATE 602 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:00,633 OF THE U.S. NAVY IS TODAY? 603 00:20:00,633 --> 00:20:02,133 >> THINK THE NAVY HAS NOT 604 00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:03,667 RECEIVED THE ATTENTION IN 605 00:20:03,667 --> 00:20:08,233 RESOURCES THAT IT NEEDS ON 606 00:20:08,233 --> 00:20:08,667 DECADES. 607 00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:09,333 EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SHIPS 608 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:11,000 WAS BUILT DURING OR A PRODUCT OF 609 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,900 THE FLEET WAS BUILT IN THE COLD 610 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:13,367 WAR? 611 00:20:13,367 --> 00:20:15,433 >> BOTH MIKE GALLAGHER AND 612 00:20:15,433 --> 00:20:17,333 ELAINE LURIA HAVE LOBBIED FOR 613 00:20:17,333 --> 00:20:19,000 GOVERNMENT MONEY FOR THE 614 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,600 SHIPYARDS IN OR NEAR THEIR 615 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,833 DISTRICTS, BUT THEY SAY THIS IS 616 00:20:21,833 --> 00:20:24,300 LESS ABOUT JOBS AND MORE ABOUT 617 00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:24,700 NATIONAL SECURITY. 618 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:25,733 >> IF WE DON'T GET THIS RIGHT 619 00:20:25,733 --> 00:20:27,367 ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS WE'RE 620 00:20:27,367 --> 00:20:29,000 DOING IN CONGRESS ULTIMATELY 621 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:29,400 MIGHT NOT MATTER. 622 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,567 >> IF YOU CONSIDER WHAT A 623 00:20:32,567 --> 00:20:34,800 COHERENT GRAND POWER CHINA MIGHT 624 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,500 BE AND THE NAVY WOULD BE THE 625 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:40,233 MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF YOUR 626 00:20:40,233 --> 00:20:40,733 HIGH-POWER INVESTMENTS. 627 00:20:40,733 --> 00:20:41,533 >> OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES, 628 00:20:41,533 --> 00:20:43,967 THE NAVY SPENT $55 BILLION ON 629 00:20:43,967 --> 00:20:44,600 TWO INVESTMENTS THAT DID NOT PAN 630 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,933 OUT. 631 00:20:46,933 --> 00:20:49,500 THE FIRST WAS A CLASS OF 632 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:51,467 DESTROYERS KNOWN AS THE ZOOM 633 00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:51,667 WALT. 634 00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:53,567 THE FUTURISTIC FIGHTING SHIPS 635 00:20:53,567 --> 00:20:55,967 WERE SUPPOSED TO REVOLUTIONIZE 636 00:20:55,967 --> 00:20:57,233 NAVAL WARFARE. 637 00:20:57,233 --> 00:20:59,333 32 WERE ORDERED, BUT ONLY THREE 638 00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:00,200 WERE EVER LAUNCHED. 639 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,700 THE COST OF EACH SHIP BY ONE 640 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:05,533 ESTIMATE WAS UPWARDS OF $8 641 00:21:05,533 --> 00:21:07,267 BILLION, MAKING THEM THE THREE 642 00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,200 MOST EXPENSIVE DESTROYERS EVER 643 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,267 PUT TO SEA. 644 00:21:14,267 --> 00:21:17,833 ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE LITORO 645 00:21:17,833 --> 00:21:20,100 COMBAT SHIP OR LCS, DESIGNED AS 646 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:22,267 AN ALL-PURPOSE WAR SHIP FOR 647 00:21:22,267 --> 00:21:24,200 SHALLOW WATERS. 648 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,133 $30 BILLION LATER THE PROGRAM 649 00:21:25,133 --> 00:21:27,800 RAN AGROUND AFTER STRUCTURAL 650 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,633 DEFECTS AND ENGINE TROUBLE. 651 00:21:29,633 --> 00:21:31,767 WITHIN THE NAVY THE LCS EARNED 652 00:21:31,767 --> 00:21:34,400 THE UNFORTUNATE NICKNAME LITTLE 653 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:34,867 CRAPPY SHIP. 654 00:21:34,867 --> 00:21:37,067 >> THE NAVY'S LAST FEW DECADES 655 00:21:37,067 --> 00:21:39,067 HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED AS A LOST 656 00:21:39,067 --> 00:21:40,600 GENERATION OF SHIPBUILDING. 657 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,733 IS THAT OVERLY DRAMATIC? 658 00:21:41,733 --> 00:21:42,667 >> I DON'T THINK SO. 659 00:21:42,667 --> 00:21:45,067 WE'RE STILL STRUGGLING TO BUILD 660 00:21:45,067 --> 00:21:46,567 SHIPS ON TIME, ON BUDGET ASK 661 00:21:46,567 --> 00:21:48,500 THAT'S SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY 662 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:49,833 NEED TO FIX GOING FORWARD. 663 00:21:49,833 --> 00:21:53,067 >> THIS PAST MARCH WE SPOKE WITH 664 00:21:53,067 --> 00:21:54,367 ADMIRAL MIKE GILDAY AT THE 665 00:21:54,367 --> 00:21:54,700 PENTAGON. 666 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:56,133 HE IS THE CHIEF OF NAVAL 667 00:21:56,133 --> 00:21:57,300 OPERATIONS AND IS RESPONSIBLE 668 00:21:57,300 --> 00:21:59,333 FOR BUILDING, MAINTAINING AND 669 00:21:59,333 --> 00:22:01,700 EQUIPPING THE ENTIRE U.S. NAVY. 670 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:03,267 >> IS THE NAVY IN CRISIS? 671 00:22:03,267 --> 00:22:03,900 >> NO. 672 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:05,433 THE NAVY IS NOT IN CRISIS. 673 00:22:05,433 --> 00:22:08,633 THE NAVY IS OUT ON POINT EVERY 674 00:22:08,633 --> 00:22:09,267 SINGLE DAY. 675 00:22:09,267 --> 00:22:11,633 >> IS IT BEING OUTPACED BY 676 00:22:11,633 --> 00:22:11,833 CHINA? 677 00:22:11,833 --> 00:22:12,533 >> NO. 678 00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:14,400 OUR NAVY IS STILL IN A POSITION 679 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,400 TO PREVAIL, BUT THAT'S NOT BLIND 680 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,333 CONFIDENCE. 681 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:21,400 WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE 682 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,833 TRAJECTORY THAT CHINA IS ON WITH 683 00:22:24,833 --> 00:22:25,500 CHINA'S BEHAVIOR, BUT WE ARE IN 684 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:26,900 A GOOD POSITION RIGHT NOW IF WE 685 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:28,800 EVER DID GET INTO A FIGHT 686 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,200 AGAINST THEM. 687 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,633 >> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT 688 00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,467 CHINA HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO 689 00:22:32,467 --> 00:22:33,700 MILITARILY OVER THE LAST 20 690 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:33,900 YEARS? 691 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,167 >> THE MOST ALARMING THING IS 692 00:22:35,167 --> 00:22:37,067 THE GROWTH OF NOT ONLY THEIR 693 00:22:37,067 --> 00:22:38,933 CONVENTIONAL FORCES, BUT ALSO 694 00:22:38,933 --> 00:22:40,700 THE STRATEGIC NUCLEAR FORCES AND 695 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:42,267 THEIR CYBER CAPABILITY AND THEIR 696 00:22:42,267 --> 00:22:44,767 SPACE CAPABILITY AND HOW THEY'RE 697 00:22:44,767 --> 00:22:47,067 USING THAT TO FORCE OTHER 698 00:22:47,067 --> 00:22:48,833 NATIONS, NAVYS OUT OF CERTAIN 699 00:22:48,833 --> 00:22:51,067 AREAS IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA 700 00:22:51,067 --> 00:22:52,500 INSTEAD OF RECOGNIZING 701 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:54,200 INTERNATIONAL LAW, THEY WANT TO 702 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,433 CONTROL WHERE THOSE GOODS FLOW 703 00:22:55,433 --> 00:22:56,067 AND HOW. 704 00:22:56,067 --> 00:22:58,633 >> WHAT LESSONS DID THE U.S. 705 00:22:58,633 --> 00:23:00,800 NAVY LEARN FROM SOME OF THE 706 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,767 SHIPBUILDING MISTAKES OF THE 707 00:23:01,767 --> 00:23:02,467 LAST 20 YEARS? 708 00:23:02,467 --> 00:23:03,767 >> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS 709 00:23:03,767 --> 00:23:07,867 THAT WE LEARNED WAS THAT WE NEED 710 00:23:07,867 --> 00:23:09,633 TO HAVE THE DESIGN WELL IN PLACE 711 00:23:09,633 --> 00:23:12,633 BEFORE WE BEGIN BENDING METAL, 712 00:23:12,633 --> 00:23:14,067 AND SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE 713 00:23:14,067 --> 00:23:17,067 PAST TO WHAT WE DID IN THE '80s 714 00:23:17,067 --> 00:23:18,300 AND THE '90s. 715 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:19,667 THE NAVY HAS THE LEAD. 716 00:23:19,667 --> 00:23:21,167 >> THERE IS A TENDENCY AMONG THE 717 00:23:21,167 --> 00:23:22,867 GREAT POWERS TO LOOK AT EACH 718 00:23:22,867 --> 00:23:25,800 OTHER'S NAVAL BUILDUPS WITH DEEP 719 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:26,133 SUSPICION. 720 00:23:26,133 --> 00:23:29,067 >> TOSHI YOSHIHARA OF THE CENTER 721 00:23:29,067 --> 00:23:31,067 FOR STRATEGIC OF BUDGETARY 722 00:23:31,067 --> 00:23:32,233 ASSESSMENTS MAY KNOW MORE THAN 723 00:23:32,233 --> 00:23:34,367 ANY SCHOLAR IN THE WEST ABOUT 724 00:23:34,367 --> 00:23:34,700 CHINA'S NAVY. 725 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:37,200 >> CHINA WILL HAVE ABOUT 440 726 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,067 SHIPS BY 2030, AND THAT'S 727 00:23:39,067 --> 00:23:40,800 ACCORDING TO THE PENTAGON. 728 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,200 >> WHY IS CHINA ABLE TO BUILD 729 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,067 MORE WAR SHIPS MORE QUICKLY THAN 730 00:23:45,067 --> 00:23:46,100 THE U.S.? 731 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:49,733 >> CHINA HAS CLEARLY INVESTED IN 732 00:23:49,733 --> 00:23:50,967 THIS DEFENSE, INDUSTRIAL 733 00:23:50,967 --> 00:23:51,900 INFRASTRUCTURE TO PRODUCE THESE 734 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:53,833 SHIPS WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO 735 00:23:53,833 --> 00:23:56,533 PRODUCE MULTIPLE SHIPS 736 00:23:56,533 --> 00:23:58,100 SIMULTANEOUSLY, ESSENTIALLY 737 00:23:58,100 --> 00:23:59,167 OUTBUILDING MANY OF THE WESTERN 738 00:23:59,167 --> 00:24:00,367 NAVES COMBINED. 739 00:24:00,367 --> 00:24:03,700 >> CHINA'S NAVY PIGGYBACKS ON A 740 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,300 BOOMING COMMERCIAL SHIPBUILDING 741 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,233 INDUSTRY KEPT A FLOAT BY 742 00:24:07,233 --> 00:24:09,067 GENEROUS STATE SUBSIDY, 743 00:24:09,067 --> 00:24:10,633 INEXPENSIVE MATERIALS AND CHEAP 744 00:24:10,633 --> 00:24:10,833 LABOR. 745 00:24:10,833 --> 00:24:12,433 IN THE UNITED STATES IT'S A 746 00:24:12,433 --> 00:24:13,433 DIFFERENT STORY. 747 00:24:13,433 --> 00:24:15,467 AFTER THE COLD WAR ENDED, THE 748 00:24:15,467 --> 00:24:16,933 SHIPBUILDING INDUSTRY 749 00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:19,667 CONSOLIDATED, AND MANY OF THE 750 00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:22,267 YARDS WHERE SHIPS WERE BOTH 751 00:24:22,267 --> 00:24:23,067 BUILT AND MAINTAINED CLOSED 752 00:24:23,067 --> 00:24:23,200 DOWN. 753 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,433 >> WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU SEE 754 00:24:25,433 --> 00:24:27,367 CHINA'S SHIPBUILDING PROGRAM. 755 00:24:27,367 --> 00:24:28,133 >> IT'S VERY ROBUST. 756 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,467 >> DO WE HAVE ENOUGH SHIPYARDS? 757 00:24:30,467 --> 00:24:31,933 >> NO. 758 00:24:31,933 --> 00:24:35,867 I WISH WE'D HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL 759 00:24:35,867 --> 00:24:36,133 SHIPYARDS. 760 00:24:36,133 --> 00:24:37,900 AND WE'RE NOW TO SEVEN THAT WE 761 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:40,767 RELY UPON ON A DAY TO DAY TO 762 00:24:40,767 --> 00:24:41,100 BUILD SHIPS. 763 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:43,500 >> ONE OF THEM IS RUN BY 764 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,333 HUNTINGTON INGAL'S INDUSTRIES 765 00:24:46,333 --> 00:24:47,667 WHICH BUILDS THE 766 00:24:47,667 --> 00:24:48,200 STATE-OF-THE-ART AIRCRAFT 767 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,867 CARRIER. 768 00:24:50,867 --> 00:24:53,567 AFTER A CONTROLLED EXPLOSIONS IN 769 00:24:53,567 --> 00:24:57,633 2021 TO PROVE IT COULD WITHSTAND 770 00:24:57,633 --> 00:25:00,200 COMBAT, THE FORD GOT CLOSER TO 771 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,833 DEPLOYMENT, SIX YEARS LATE AND 772 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:03,467 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER BUDGET. 773 00:25:03,467 --> 00:25:05,433 THE NAVY'S NOT JUST STRUGGLING 774 00:25:05,433 --> 00:25:07,533 TO BUILD NEW SHIPS ON TIME. 775 00:25:07,533 --> 00:25:09,400 ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT 776 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,733 ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE OR GAO, 777 00:25:10,733 --> 00:25:12,700 THERE'S A MULTI-YEAR BACKLOG 778 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:14,333 REPAIRING THE SHIPS IN THE 779 00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:14,567 FLEET. 780 00:25:14,567 --> 00:25:18,100 >> OUR MAINTENANCE BACKLOG IS 781 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:18,733 ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT 782 00:25:18,733 --> 00:25:20,800 I'M WORKING ON TO CORRECT. 783 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,600 SO JUST THREE YEARS AGO WE HAD 784 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,067 7700 DELAY DAYS, THAT IS EXTRA 785 00:25:27,067 --> 00:25:30,067 DAYS IN A SHIPYARD BY SHIPS WHEN 786 00:25:30,067 --> 00:25:31,300 THEY WEREN'T OPERATIONAL. 787 00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,467 WE HAVE CUT THAT DOWN TO 3,000. 788 00:25:33,467 --> 00:25:35,533 WE ARE NOT SATISFIED. 789 00:25:35,533 --> 00:25:37,467 >> MAINTENANCE DELAYS MEAN 790 00:25:37,467 --> 00:25:39,067 SAILORS CAN'T COME HOME BECAUSE 791 00:25:39,067 --> 00:25:40,267 THE SHIP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO 792 00:25:40,267 --> 00:25:41,733 REPLACE THEM IS NOT READY. 793 00:25:41,733 --> 00:25:43,633 IT MEANS LONGER DEPLOYMENTS. 794 00:25:43,633 --> 00:25:45,467 IT MEANS AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY 795 00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:45,833 MORE. 796 00:25:45,833 --> 00:25:47,733 THAT'S A BIG STRAIN ON THE 797 00:25:47,733 --> 00:25:48,300 WORKFORCE. 798 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:49,433 >> THE MORE SHIPS THAT WE CAN 799 00:25:49,433 --> 00:25:51,900 HAVE AVAILABLE TO SEND AT SEA 800 00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:53,067 ALLEVIATES MANY OF THOSE 801 00:25:53,067 --> 00:25:54,700 PROBLEMS THAT YOU POINTED OUT. 802 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:56,900 SAILORS JOIN THE NAVY TO SEE THE 803 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:58,833 WORLD, AND SO IT'S MY JOB TO 804 00:25:58,833 --> 00:26:01,200 MAKE SURE THAT THOSE MAINTENANCE 805 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,633 DELAY GOES TO ZERO AND WE CAN 806 00:26:02,633 --> 00:26:05,767 GET THOSE SHIPS TO SEA AS 807 00:26:05,767 --> 00:26:06,233 QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 808 00:26:06,233 --> 00:26:07,833 >> IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE, AT 809 00:26:07,833 --> 00:26:10,100 LEAST TEN SAILORS ASSIGNED TO 810 00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:11,700 SHIPS UNDERGOING MAINTENANCE OR 811 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,367 WORKING AT MAINTENANCE 812 00:26:14,367 --> 00:26:15,267 FACILITIES HAVE DIED BY SUICIDE. 813 00:26:15,267 --> 00:26:16,967 >> IT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE 814 00:26:16,967 --> 00:26:19,933 TAKING VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY, AND 815 00:26:19,933 --> 00:26:22,167 DOWN TO EVERY LEADER IN OUR 816 00:26:22,167 --> 00:26:23,467 NAVY, EVERYBODY HAS A 817 00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:24,833 RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR 818 00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:26,267 EACH OTHER, TAKE CARE OF EACH 819 00:26:26,267 --> 00:26:28,167 OTHER AND THERE IS NO WRONG DOOR 820 00:26:28,167 --> 00:26:29,900 TO KNOCK ON WHEN YOU NEED HELP. 821 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,533 >> ADMIRAL GILDAY SAYS THE U.S. 822 00:26:32,533 --> 00:26:34,167 NAVY'S MAIN ADVANTAGE OVER CHINA 823 00:26:34,167 --> 00:26:35,967 IS AMERICA'S SAILORS. 824 00:26:35,967 --> 00:26:37,700 HIS GOAL IS TO MODERNIZE THE 825 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,267 U.S. FLEET AND HAVE THOSE 826 00:26:39,267 --> 00:26:40,667 SAILORS SERVING ALONGSIDE 827 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:43,733 HUNDREDS OF UNMANNED VESSELS BY 828 00:26:43,733 --> 00:26:43,967 2045. 829 00:26:43,967 --> 00:26:46,267 >> I THINK UNMANNED IS THE 830 00:26:46,267 --> 00:26:48,500 FUTURE, AND SO I THINK THAT SOME 831 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,067 40% OF OUR FLEET IN THE FUTURE, 832 00:26:50,067 --> 00:26:52,100 I BELIEVE, IS GOING TO BE 833 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:52,367 UNMANNED. 834 00:26:52,367 --> 00:26:53,867 >> ARE THESE LIKE UNDERWATER 835 00:26:53,867 --> 00:26:54,100 DRONES? 836 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,667 >> SOME OF THEM ARE. 837 00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:57,800 HIGHLY CAPABLE, CAPABLE OF 838 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,667 DELIVERING MINES AND PERHAPS 839 00:26:58,667 --> 00:27:01,667 OTHER TYPES OF WEAPONS. 840 00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:02,667 >> ADMIRAL GILDAY IS TALKING 841 00:27:02,667 --> 00:27:05,867 ABOUT THE ORCA, AN EXTRA LARGE, 842 00:27:05,867 --> 00:27:06,867 UNMANNED UNDERSEA VEHICLE. 843 00:27:06,867 --> 00:27:08,100 >> CAN YOU SAY WHAT IT WILL DO 844 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:09,367 OR IS THAT CLASSIFIED? 845 00:27:09,367 --> 00:27:14,700 >> AT A MINIMUM, IT WILL HAVE A 846 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:16,500 CLANDESTINE ABILITY AND SO IT 847 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,167 WILL BE DONE IN A WAY THAT'S 848 00:27:18,167 --> 00:27:21,867 SECRETIVE AND THE GAO REPORTS 849 00:27:21,867 --> 00:27:24,167 THAT IT'S ALREADY A QUARTER OF A 850 00:27:24,167 --> 00:27:25,467 BILLION OVER BUDGET AND THREE 851 00:27:25,467 --> 00:27:27,233 YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE. 852 00:27:27,233 --> 00:27:28,633 THAT PARTICULAR PLATFORM IS 853 00:27:28,633 --> 00:27:29,500 BEHIEBD SCHEDULE. 854 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:31,700 IT'S THE FIRST OF A KIND WHEN IT 855 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,833 DELIVERS ICA, VERY HIGH RETURN 856 00:27:33,833 --> 00:27:37,600 ON INVESTMENT FROM THAT 857 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,833 PARTICULAR PLATFORM BECAUSE IT 858 00:27:42,833 --> 00:27:44,567 IS THE MOST LETHAL AND STEALTHY 859 00:27:44,567 --> 00:27:45,667 PLATFORMS IN THE ARSENAL OF THE 860 00:27:45,667 --> 00:27:46,267 U.S. MILITARY. 861 00:27:46,267 --> 00:27:48,633 >> THE NAVY'S TOTAL BUDGET 862 00:27:48,633 --> 00:27:50,900 REQUEST FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024 IS 863 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:55,600 OVER A QUARTER OF A TRILLION 864 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:55,833 DOLLARS. 865 00:27:55,833 --> 00:27:57,467 AN $11 BILLION INCREASE FROM 866 00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:57,900 LAST YEAR. 867 00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,067 THE FOCUS IS ON CHINA. 868 00:28:00,067 --> 00:28:02,067 >> THE U.S. DEFENSE POSTURE IS 869 00:28:02,067 --> 00:28:06,167 VIEWED AS AGGRESSIVE BY THE 870 00:28:06,167 --> 00:28:06,400 CHINESE. 871 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,067 THE FOREIGN MINISTER JUST SAID 872 00:28:08,067 --> 00:28:09,467 LOOK, STOP THE CONTAINMENT. 873 00:28:09,467 --> 00:28:10,767 THIS MAY LEAD TO CONFLICT. 874 00:28:10,767 --> 00:28:12,067 >> PERHAPS THE CHINESE MINISTER 875 00:28:12,067 --> 00:28:13,233 DOESN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THE 876 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:16,800 U.S. NAVY IS OPERATING IN 877 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,933 COLLABORATION WITH DOZENS OF 878 00:28:18,933 --> 00:28:20,867 NAVYS AROUND THE WORLD TO ENSURE 879 00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:22,233 THAT THE MARITIME COMMONS 880 00:28:22,233 --> 00:28:24,300 REMAINS FREE AND OPEN FOR ALL 881 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:25,267 NATIONS. 882 00:28:25,267 --> 00:28:26,867 THE CHINESE WANT TO DICTATE 883 00:28:26,867 --> 00:28:28,567 THOSE TERMS, AND SO THEY DON'T 884 00:28:28,567 --> 00:28:30,867 LIKE OUR PRESENCE, BUT OUR 885 00:28:30,867 --> 00:28:33,133 PRESENCE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE 886 00:28:33,133 --> 00:28:33,433 PROVOCATIVE. 887 00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:36,867 IT'S INTENDED TO ASSURE AND TO 888 00:28:36,867 --> 00:28:37,733 REASSURE ALLIES AND PARTNERS 889 00:28:37,733 --> 00:28:39,833 AROUND THE WORLD THAT THOSE SEA 890 00:28:39,833 --> 00:28:41,433 LANES DO REMAIN OPEN. 891 00:28:41,433 --> 00:28:42,300 THE GLOBAL ECONOMY LITERALLY 892 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:51,067 FLOATS ON SEAWATER. 893 00:28:51,067 --> 00:28:51,200 * 894 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,167 * 895 00:28:54,167 --> 00:28:55,567 >> TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TELL 896 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:58,967 YOU ONE OF THOSE ONLY IN AMERICA 897 00:28:58,967 --> 00:29:00,467 STORIES, BUT THIS ONE BEGINS AND 898 00:29:00,467 --> 00:29:03,167 ENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 899 00:29:03,167 --> 00:29:03,433 ATLANTIC. 900 00:29:03,433 --> 00:29:05,467 ROCCO COMMISSO WAS 12 YEARS OLD 901 00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:07,333 WHEN HIS FAMILY MOVED TO THE 902 00:29:07,333 --> 00:29:08,700 UNITED STATES FROM SOUTHERN 903 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:08,967 ITALY. 904 00:29:08,967 --> 00:29:11,400 WITH THE HUSTLE HE LEARNED ON 905 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,333 THE STREETS OF THE BRONX AND 906 00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:14,533 EXCEPTIONAL TIMING, COMMISSO 907 00:29:14,533 --> 00:29:18,667 BUILT A CABLE TV EMPIRE AND A 908 00:29:18,667 --> 00:29:19,200 NET WORTH OF $8 BILLION. 909 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,067 SO WHAT DID HE DO WITH HIS MADE 910 00:29:21,067 --> 00:29:23,300 IN THE USA FORTUNE? 911 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,867 ROCCO COMMISSO RETURNED TO THE 912 00:29:24,867 --> 00:29:26,933 LAND OF HIS BIRTH AND AS WE 913 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:29,967 REPORTED IN MARCH, HE BOUGHT A 914 00:29:29,967 --> 00:29:31,133 PRO SOCCER TEAM. 915 00:29:31,133 --> 00:29:33,067 >> YOU'VE DESCRIBED YOURSELF AS 916 00:29:33,067 --> 00:29:33,800 A HUSTLER. 917 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,767 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 918 00:29:34,767 --> 00:29:36,267 >> WELL, ALWAYS IN THE GOOD 919 00:29:36,267 --> 00:29:40,233 SENSE OF A HUSTLER BECAUSE IT 920 00:29:40,233 --> 00:29:42,067 HAS A TERRIBLE SENSE, RIGHT? 921 00:29:42,067 --> 00:29:44,667 A HUSTLER WILL ALWAYS TRY TO 922 00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:49,233 FIND A WAY TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN 923 00:29:49,233 --> 00:29:49,500 OBJECTIVE. 924 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:49,733 HUSTLE. 925 00:29:49,733 --> 00:29:49,967 HUSTLE. 926 00:29:49,967 --> 00:29:50,333 DON'T GIVE UP. 927 00:29:50,333 --> 00:29:52,533 DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER. 928 00:29:52,533 --> 00:29:54,367 >> I'VE HEARD THAT YOU HAVE NO 929 00:29:54,367 --> 00:29:56,067 TOLERANCE FOR PEOPLE YOU CALL 930 00:29:56,067 --> 00:29:56,333 SPINNERS. 931 00:29:56,333 --> 00:29:56,600 >> RIGHT. 932 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,867 >> WHAT'S A SPINNER? 933 00:29:57,867 --> 00:30:00,367 >> A SPINNER IS A [ BLEEP ] 934 00:30:00,367 --> 00:30:00,600 ARTIST. 935 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,933 I KNOW PLENTY OF THOSE GUYS. 936 00:30:02,933 --> 00:30:04,333 I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHO 937 00:30:04,333 --> 00:30:05,467 THE HELL I'M DEALING WITH. 938 00:30:05,467 --> 00:30:07,000 >> DID YOU LEARN THAT IN THE 939 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:07,200 BRONX? 940 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,067 >> NO, MY MOTHER GAVE IT TO ME 941 00:30:09,067 --> 00:30:10,533 WHEN I WAS BORN. 942 00:30:10,533 --> 00:30:10,833 [ LAUGHTER ] 943 00:30:10,833 --> 00:30:12,433 >> ROCCO COMMISSO DOESN'T SUFFER 944 00:30:12,433 --> 00:30:15,967 FOOLS. 945 00:30:15,967 --> 00:30:16,133 * 946 00:30:16,133 --> 00:30:19,067 * 947 00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:20,400 >> BUT LIKE MOST ITALIAN SOCCER 948 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,200 FANS -- 949 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,033 >> OH! 950 00:30:23,033 --> 00:30:25,833 >> HE DOES SUFFER. 951 00:30:25,833 --> 00:30:27,000 FOUR YEARS AGO HE BOUGHT THE 952 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,767 TEAM IN FLORENCE WHERE GAME DAY 953 00:30:28,767 --> 00:30:33,000 IS FILLED WITH MORE AGONY AND 954 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:39,000 ECSTASY THAN A PUCCINI OPERA. 955 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,733 [ CHEERING ] 956 00:30:44,733 --> 00:30:47,433 >> WE WATCHED AS THE CITY'S DIE 957 00:30:47,433 --> 00:30:51,800 HARD FANS CALLED TIFOSI ENDURED 958 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,100 A COLLECTIVE 90-MINUTE LONG 959 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:55,367 BREAKDOWN. 960 00:30:55,367 --> 00:30:56,867 >> I DON'T SPEAK ITALIAN, BUT I 961 00:30:56,867 --> 00:30:58,600 THINK I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE 962 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:58,833 SAYING. 963 00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:02,700 >> COMMISSO WHO IS 73 KNOWS THE 964 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:04,233 TIFOSI, FOLLOW HIS REACTIONS. 965 00:31:04,233 --> 00:31:07,433 SO HE TRIES TO KEEP A POKER FACE 966 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:09,967 AS HE CHEWS WADS OF NICOTINE 967 00:31:09,967 --> 00:31:10,167 GUM. 968 00:31:10,167 --> 00:31:11,467 >> HOW MANY OF THESE DO YOU GO 969 00:31:11,467 --> 00:31:13,667 THROUGH A GAME? 970 00:31:13,667 --> 00:31:14,700 >> 15, 20. 971 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:16,200 >> 15, 20. 972 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,600 DEPENDS ON THE GAME, RIGHT? 973 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,533 >> RIGHT. 974 00:31:19,533 --> 00:31:23,733 >> WHEN COMMISSO BOUGHT 975 00:31:23,733 --> 00:31:26,067 FIORENTINA IT TOOK TWO BOXES. 976 00:31:26,067 --> 00:31:26,833 FIRST, THE $170 MILLION PRICE 977 00:31:26,833 --> 00:31:29,767 WAS A BARGAIN FOR A EUROPEAN 978 00:31:29,767 --> 00:31:29,967 CLUB. 979 00:31:29,967 --> 00:31:32,067 SECOND, IT MET THE DEMAND BY HIS 980 00:31:32,067 --> 00:31:34,067 WIFE THAT IF HE INSISTED ON 981 00:31:34,067 --> 00:31:34,900 BUYING A TEAM IT HAD TO BE SOME 982 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:36,933 PLACE NICE. 983 00:31:36,933 --> 00:31:39,867 >> WHEN I LANDED IN FLORENCE 984 00:31:39,867 --> 00:31:41,600 OUTSIDE THE AIRPORT THERE WERE A 985 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,067 MASS OF PEOPLE THERE, AND THE 986 00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:50,567 FIRST WORDS THAT I USED 987 00:31:50,567 --> 00:31:52,233 CHIAMATEMI ROCCO. 988 00:31:52,233 --> 00:31:54,400 YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL ME 989 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,200 MISTER, JUST CALL ME ROCCO AND 990 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,400 TODAY THEY CALL ME ROCCO. 991 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,733 >> FIORENTINA, NICKNAMED LA 992 00:32:05,733 --> 00:32:06,367 VIOLA, HAS NOT WON A 993 00:32:06,367 --> 00:32:07,800 CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 1969. 994 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,167 THE TIFOSI GOT SICK OF WAITING 995 00:32:10,167 --> 00:32:12,067 AND RAN THE PREVIOUS OWNER OUT 996 00:32:12,067 --> 00:32:12,300 OF TIME. 997 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:15,733 >> THE TIFO, THE FANS, FIRST, 998 00:32:15,733 --> 00:32:16,933 THEY'RE EVERYTHING, BUT THEY 999 00:32:16,933 --> 00:32:19,067 COULD BE NASTY IF YOU DON'T WIN. 1000 00:32:19,067 --> 00:32:20,533 >> THE HIGHS ARE HIGH AND THE 1001 00:32:20,533 --> 00:32:22,800 LOWS ARE LOW, IT SEEMS LIKE. 1002 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,600 >> BUT THEY CAN'T KICK ROCCO OUT 1003 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,267 OF HERE. 1004 00:32:27,267 --> 00:32:28,700 THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO 1005 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:31,067 CRITICIZE ME AND KICK ME OUT, 1006 00:32:31,067 --> 00:32:33,067 THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. 1007 00:32:33,067 --> 00:32:35,633 >> HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT? 1008 00:32:35,633 --> 00:32:36,833 >> FIRST, THERE'S NOT BEEN 1009 00:32:36,833 --> 00:32:39,633 ANYBODY HERE THAT PUT IN MONEY 1010 00:32:39,633 --> 00:32:41,967 THAT I DID IN A PERIOD OF TIME. 1011 00:32:41,967 --> 00:32:45,233 AND I GO TO MEDICI. 1012 00:32:45,233 --> 00:32:47,767 IF I LOSE 100 MILLION I'M NOT 1013 00:32:47,767 --> 00:32:49,200 GOING TO WASH DISHES AGAIN. 1014 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,433 WATCH OUT WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE 1015 00:32:50,433 --> 00:32:52,933 YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL COME UP 1016 00:32:52,933 --> 00:32:53,133 NEXT. 1017 00:32:53,133 --> 00:32:56,067 >> ROCCO COMMISSO'S JOURNEY TO 1018 00:32:56,067 --> 00:32:58,067 THE OWNER'S BOX BEGAN HERE BY 1019 00:32:58,067 --> 00:32:59,367 THE SUBWAY IN THE BRONX. 1020 00:32:59,367 --> 00:33:01,700 HIS FATHER, A CARPENTER, AND HIS 1021 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:03,233 OLDER BROTHER CAME TO THE U.S. 1022 00:33:03,233 --> 00:33:05,667 IN THE '50s TO ESCAPE POVERTY. 1023 00:33:05,667 --> 00:33:07,300 A FEW YEARS LATER THEY SENT FOR 1024 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:08,833 ROCCO, HIS MOTHER AND TWO 1025 00:33:08,833 --> 00:33:09,167 SISTERS. 1026 00:33:09,167 --> 00:33:12,667 >> WHEN WE CAME HERE IN '63 MY 1027 00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:14,467 BROTHER BOUGHT THE HOUSE, GOD 1028 00:33:14,467 --> 00:33:19,067 BLESS HIM, AND THIS WAS LIKE A 1029 00:33:19,067 --> 00:33:21,133 LUXURY TO US AND WE LIVED 1030 00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:22,200 UPSTAIRS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. 1031 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,333 >> COMMISSO'S ENGLISH WAS 1032 00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:26,267 TERRIBLE, BUT HE PLAYED A MEAN 1033 00:33:26,267 --> 00:33:28,067 ACCORDION, SO AT AGE 13 HE CUT 1034 00:33:28,067 --> 00:33:28,967 HIS FIRST DEAL. 1035 00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:30,900 ROCCO AGREED TO PERFORM FOR FREE 1036 00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,233 AT A BRONX THEATER IF THE 1037 00:33:33,233 --> 00:33:34,367 MANAGER HELPED GET HIM INTO THE 1038 00:33:34,367 --> 00:33:38,633 CATHOLIC ALL-BOYS HIGH SCHOOL, 1039 00:33:38,633 --> 00:33:40,733 MT. ST. MICHAEL ACADEMY. 1040 00:33:40,733 --> 00:33:42,767 IT IS STILL A LAUNCHING PAD FOR 1041 00:33:42,767 --> 00:33:44,433 YOUNG MEN FROM IMMIGRANT 1042 00:33:44,433 --> 00:33:44,700 FAMILIES. 1043 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:46,267 >> EACH THOUGH I HAD NOT TAKEN 1044 00:33:46,267 --> 00:33:51,700 THE TEST TO GET IN, I ASKED THE 1045 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:52,400 MANAGE TO 1046 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,367 MANAGER TO PLEASE SEND A 1047 00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:57,600 RECOMMENDATION LETTER. 1048 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,300 >> DID YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE 1049 00:33:59,300 --> 00:33:59,567 ACCORDION. 1050 00:33:59,567 --> 00:34:02,867 >> JUST ON YOUR ACCORDION SKILLS 1051 00:34:02,867 --> 00:34:05,733 ALONE YOU WERE GIVEN ENTRANCE? 1052 00:34:05,733 --> 00:34:07,633 >> I GOT LUCKY OR HUSTLE, 1053 00:34:07,633 --> 00:34:09,233 WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO CALL 1054 00:34:09,233 --> 00:34:09,400 IT. 1055 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,300 >> HE KEPT HUSTLING, EVERY DAY 1056 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:12,467 BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL HE 1057 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:16,400 WORKED AT HIS FAMILY'S 1058 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,067 LUNCHEONETTE NEAR THE SUBWAY 1059 00:34:17,067 --> 00:34:18,300 STATION TO HIS HIGH SCHOOL 1060 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:18,567 TUITION. 1061 00:34:18,567 --> 00:34:21,833 >> I USED TO GET PAID $1 AN HOUR 1062 00:34:21,833 --> 00:34:25,067 AND I PAID THE FOUR YEARS OF MT. 1063 00:34:25,067 --> 00:34:26,300 SAINT MICHAEL SCHOOLING. 1064 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:30,800 IT DIDN'T COST A THE LO OF T OF 1065 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,199 MONEY THEN, BUT IT WAS STILL 1066 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:33,467 SOMETHING. 1067 00:34:33,467 --> 00:34:35,067 COMMISSO WANTED TO BE AN 1068 00:34:35,067 --> 00:34:37,067 ENGINEER, BUT A THERE ARE AN 1069 00:34:37,067 --> 00:34:39,667 HOUR WASN'T GOING TO PAY FOR 1070 00:34:39,667 --> 00:34:41,766 COLLEGE AND HE HUNTED DOWN SPORT 1071 00:34:41,766 --> 00:34:43,199 HE ALWAYS LOVED, SOCCER AND 1072 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,333 NEVER MIND THAT HIS HIGH SCHOOL 1073 00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,699 DIDN'T HAVE A TEAM AND HE HADN'T 1074 00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:48,433 PLAYED MUCH SINCE COMING TO 1075 00:34:48,433 --> 00:34:48,667 AMERICA. 1076 00:34:48,667 --> 00:34:50,567 >> SOMEHOW YOU END UP WITH A 1077 00:34:50,567 --> 00:34:51,266 SOCCER SCHOLARSHIP TO COLUMBIA. 1078 00:34:51,266 --> 00:34:53,567 HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? 1079 00:34:53,567 --> 00:34:54,300 >> HUSTLE. 1080 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,632 I NEEDED MONEY TO GO TO SCHOOL, 1081 00:34:56,632 --> 00:34:58,200 SO I ASKED THE GYM TEACHER TO 1082 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,067 CALL THE NYU COACH. 1083 00:35:00,067 --> 00:35:03,933 THE NYU COACH PUT ME IN THE 1084 00:35:03,933 --> 00:35:04,600 AMERICAN-CZECHOSLOVAKIA TEAM AND 1085 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,567 THE GERMAN-AMERICAN LEAGUE AND 1086 00:35:06,567 --> 00:35:08,433 SEES ME PLAY SIX GAMES AND SAID 1087 00:35:08,433 --> 00:35:10,200 YEAH, I LIKE THE KID AND LET ME 1088 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,467 HELP HIM GET INTO NYU WHICH HE 1089 00:35:12,467 --> 00:35:14,633 DID AND THEY GAVE ME A 60% 1090 00:35:14,633 --> 00:35:15,700 SCHOLARSHIP, BUT THAT WAS NOT 1091 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,267 ENOUGH AND I TOLD THE GYM 1092 00:35:17,267 --> 00:35:20,167 TEACHER CALL THE COACH AT 1093 00:35:20,167 --> 00:35:20,500 COLUMBIA NOW. 1094 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:22,700 IN THE SPACE OF THREE TO FOUR 1095 00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,433 WEEKS THEY GAVE ME ADMISSIONS TO 1096 00:35:24,433 --> 00:35:26,167 COLUMBIA AND A FULL SCHOLARSHIP. 1097 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:27,167 >> HAD THEY SEEN YOU PLAY? 1098 00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:27,933 >> NO. 1099 00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:30,067 I ASKED THAT QUESTION AFTER THEY 1100 00:35:30,067 --> 00:35:30,767 ADMITTED ME. 1101 00:35:30,767 --> 00:35:32,333 BUT LET ME ASK YOU, YOU GIVE ME 1102 00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,633 ALL THIS MONEY AND YOU DON'T SEE 1103 00:35:34,633 --> 00:35:35,667 ME PLAY? 1104 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:37,600 IF YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH FOR NYU, 1105 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,267 YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH FOR COLUMBIA. 1106 00:35:40,267 --> 00:35:42,767 >> COMMISSO BECAME TEAM CAPTAIN 1107 00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:45,500 AND LED COLUMBIA TO THE FIRST 1108 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,800 NCAA TOURNAMENT AND AFTER THE 1109 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,067 MBA HE MADE HIS WAY TO WALL 1110 00:35:50,067 --> 00:35:50,267 STREET. 1111 00:35:50,267 --> 00:35:51,300 AT NIGHT HE WAS HELPING HIS 1112 00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,067 BROTHER RUN A DISCO. 1113 00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:56,367 RIVAL CLUBS PLAYED THE BEE GEES, 1114 00:35:56,367 --> 00:35:59,333 BUT NOT COMMISSO, HE CHOSE TO 1115 00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:00,800 PLAY POP MUSIC FROM ITALY. 1116 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,400 >> I WAS REALLY INTO ITALIAN 1117 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,067 MUSIC AND CAME UP WITH THE IDEA 1118 00:36:05,067 --> 00:36:06,967 BY SPECIALIZING IN SOMETHING AS 1119 00:36:06,967 --> 00:36:07,833 OPPOSED TO BEING JUST LIKE 1120 00:36:07,833 --> 00:36:09,567 EVERYBODY ELSE, WE COULD DO WELL 1121 00:36:09,567 --> 00:36:11,100 AND NOBODY COULD TOUCH US IN 1122 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,167 TERMS OF THE COMPETITION BECAUSE 1123 00:36:12,167 --> 00:36:13,333 NOBODY HAD IT. 1124 00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:15,567 >> COMMISSO BECAME AN EXECUTIVE 1125 00:36:15,567 --> 00:36:17,700 IN THE CABLE TV INDUSTRY JUST AS 1126 00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:18,867 IT EXPLODED. 1127 00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:21,667 THEN IN 1995, HE DECIDED IT WAS 1128 00:36:21,667 --> 00:36:23,533 TIME TO START A BUSINESS HE 1129 00:36:23,533 --> 00:36:25,167 NAMED MEDIACOM. 1130 00:36:25,167 --> 00:36:28,600 LIKE THE DISCO, HE DESIGNED A 1131 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,667 PLAN TO SEIZE AN OPPORTUNITY 1132 00:36:29,667 --> 00:36:33,100 OTHERS HAD MISSED. 1133 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:36,067 >> IT WAS AN EIGHT-PAGE PAPER 1134 00:36:36,067 --> 00:36:37,433 THAT TALKED ABOUT WHAT I FORESEE 1135 00:36:37,433 --> 00:36:39,167 IN TERMS OF THE CABLE BUSINESS. 1136 00:36:39,167 --> 00:36:41,700 >> WHAT DID YOU FORESEE? 1137 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,533 >> WHAT I FORE SAW IS SOONER OR 1138 00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:46,267 LATER WE WILL GET DEREGULATED 1139 00:36:46,267 --> 00:36:48,400 AND THERE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY 1140 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,200 TO DO WELL IN THE SMALLER 1141 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,933 MARKETS OF THE U.S., THE RURAL 1142 00:36:51,933 --> 00:36:53,433 MARKETS, LARGELY BECAUSE NOBODY 1143 00:36:53,433 --> 00:36:54,100 WANTED THEM. 1144 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:56,500 >> ROCCO COMMISSO BELIEVED THOSE 1145 00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:01,167 SMALL MARKET HIS BURIED 1146 00:37:01,167 --> 00:37:01,433 TREASURE. 1147 00:37:01,433 --> 00:37:02,833 600,000 MILES OF CABLE USED TO 1148 00:37:02,833 --> 00:37:04,400 CARRY COMPUTER DATA THROUGH 1149 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,933 PLACES SUCH AS THE CORN BELT AND 1150 00:37:05,933 --> 00:37:06,633 DEEP SOUTH. 1151 00:37:06,633 --> 00:37:08,467 HE RISKED HIS LIFE SAVINGS TO 1152 00:37:08,467 --> 00:37:11,733 BUY UP THE SMALL SYSTEMS. 1153 00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:12,967 AGAIN, TIMING AND LUCK WERE ON 1154 00:37:12,967 --> 00:37:14,133 HIS SIDE. 1155 00:37:14,133 --> 00:37:17,167 TODAY, MEDIACOM PROVIDES 1156 00:37:17,167 --> 00:37:19,967 BROADBAND IN 22 STATES AND ROCCO 1157 00:37:19,967 --> 00:37:20,567 COMMISSO'S NET WORTH IS $8 1158 00:37:20,567 --> 00:37:23,433 BILLION. 1159 00:37:23,433 --> 00:37:26,867 IT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY. 1160 00:37:26,867 --> 00:37:28,400 CATHERINE COMMISSO, ROCCO'S WIFE 1161 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,333 OF 47 YEARS WORKS THERE, SO DOES 1162 00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:35,800 HIS SISTER I TALIA AND HIS SON 1163 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,433 JOE ON THE LEFT. 1164 00:37:37,433 --> 00:37:40,267 UPSTATE THERE'S A BOCCE COURT, 1165 00:37:40,267 --> 00:37:42,267 INSIDE,ES PRESSO FLOWS. 1166 00:37:42,267 --> 00:37:43,467 COMMISSO TOLD US HE HAD A STREAK 1167 00:37:43,467 --> 00:37:45,667 OF 25 YEARS OF PROFITS AND HAS 1168 00:37:45,667 --> 00:37:47,967 NEVER LAID OFF WORKERS. 1169 00:37:47,967 --> 00:37:49,833 >> I HAVE HEARD SO MANY PEOPLE 1170 00:37:49,833 --> 00:37:51,933 SAY IT'S NOT PERSONAL, IT'S 1171 00:37:51,933 --> 00:37:52,200 BUSINESS. 1172 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,867 >> THAT'S CRAP. 1173 00:37:53,867 --> 00:37:57,067 YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PERSONAL, 1174 00:37:57,067 --> 00:38:00,167 FRANKLY, HAS A LOT TO DO WITH 1175 00:38:00,167 --> 00:38:04,833 WHY COMPANIES FAIL OR SUCCEED 1176 00:38:04,833 --> 00:38:05,800 UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY, 1177 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,467 THERE'S NO ONE LIKE ME IN OUR 1178 00:38:07,467 --> 00:38:08,833 BUSINESS AND I'M TALKING ABOUT 1179 00:38:08,833 --> 00:38:10,400 THE MEDIA, NEWSPAPERS. 1180 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,900 I HATE TO DESTROY PEOPLE'S LIVES 1181 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:15,067 BECAUSE I HAVE TO GO IN AND MAKE 1182 00:38:15,067 --> 00:38:17,767 AN EXTRA MILLION THERE ARES. 1183 00:38:17,767 --> 00:38:19,167 >> COMMISSO MADE A POINT TO US 1184 00:38:19,167 --> 00:38:21,067 THAT HE DOES NOT OWN A YACHT, A 1185 00:38:21,067 --> 00:38:22,433 MANSION ON THE BEACH OR A 1186 00:38:22,433 --> 00:38:22,867 PRIVATE JET. 1187 00:38:22,867 --> 00:38:24,567 OF COURSE, WE HAD TO POINT OUT 1188 00:38:24,567 --> 00:38:28,833 HE DID BUY AN ITALIAN SOCCER 1189 00:38:28,833 --> 00:38:29,067 TEAM. 1190 00:38:29,067 --> 00:38:32,233 >> WHEN I CAME HERE I USED THREE 1191 00:38:32,233 --> 00:38:33,700 THINGS. 1192 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,267 FAST, FAST, FAST AND IT WOULD BE 1193 00:38:35,267 --> 00:38:38,233 OKAY, AND WITHIN MY MEANS AND 1194 00:38:38,233 --> 00:38:40,067 CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL. 1195 00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:42,067 I CONTROL OR NO MONEY FROM 1196 00:38:42,067 --> 00:38:42,200 ROCCO. 1197 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,800 THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. 1198 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,167 >> WHAT'S HARDER? 1199 00:38:45,167 --> 00:38:47,067 RUNNING A COMPANY LIKE MEDIACOM 1200 00:38:47,067 --> 00:38:48,700 OR RUNNING A SOCCER TEAM. 1201 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,433 >> THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE 1202 00:38:50,433 --> 00:38:50,967 DIFFICULT. 1203 00:38:50,967 --> 00:38:53,533 I GET MORE CRITICISM HERE THAN 1204 00:38:53,533 --> 00:38:56,933 IN 1500 COMMUNITIES IN THE U.S. 1205 00:38:56,933 --> 00:39:00,633 >> FORZA GRANDE FIORENTINA. 1206 00:39:00,633 --> 00:39:04,300 >> THE OWNER IS UNDER RELENTLESS 1207 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,600 SCRUTINY BY FIORENTINA FANS THAT 1208 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,533 DEMAND HE SHELL OUT WHATEVER IT 1209 00:39:09,533 --> 00:39:10,767 TAKES TO BRING IN STARS AND END 1210 00:39:10,767 --> 00:39:12,200 THE CHAMPIONSHIP DROUGHT. 1211 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,200 THEN THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN 1212 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,700 HE'S LOST IT WITH THE 1213 00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,167 UNFORGIVING ITALIAN PRESS. 1214 00:39:19,167 --> 00:39:20,700 [ SPEAKING NON-ENGLISH ] 1215 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:22,600 >> HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT WHAT 1216 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,300 HAVE I DONE? 1217 00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:24,633 WHAT DID I GET MYSELF INTO? 1218 00:39:24,633 --> 00:39:25,567 >> NO. 1219 00:39:25,567 --> 00:39:27,233 >> IT'S A LOT OF AGGRAVATION. 1220 00:39:27,233 --> 00:39:27,733 >> NO. 1221 00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:29,500 I MADE THE DECISION AND I'LL 1222 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:30,267 STICK WITH THE DECISION. 1223 00:39:30,267 --> 00:39:33,133 >> TRUE TO ROCCO'S WAY, HE'S 1224 00:39:33,133 --> 00:39:35,500 PLAYING THE LONG GAME BY 1225 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,633 SPENDING $100 MILLION ON THIS. 1226 00:39:37,633 --> 00:39:40,800 IT'S CALLED VIOLA PARK. 1227 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,167 THE COMMISSOS SHOWED US AROUND 1228 00:39:42,167 --> 00:39:43,667 WHAT WILL BE ONE OF THE LARGEST 1229 00:39:43,667 --> 00:39:45,700 SOCCER FACILITIES IN EUROPE FOR 1230 00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:47,300 DEVELOPING YOUNG MALE AND FEMALE 1231 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:48,500 PLAYERS, BUT THIS IS ITALY. 1232 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:51,167 >> YOU SEE THAT OPENING THERE 1233 00:39:51,167 --> 00:39:53,567 WHERE YOU HAVE THE TWO "Vs" 1234 00:39:53,567 --> 00:39:55,333 RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE? 1235 00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:55,533 YES. 1236 00:39:55,533 --> 00:39:58,067 >> WE HAD TO BREAK THE BUILDING 1237 00:39:58,067 --> 00:40:01,100 APART BECAUSE THERE WAS A ROMAN 1238 00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:01,400 WALL THERE. 1239 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:01,633 BLOCKS. 1240 00:40:01,633 --> 00:40:03,367 >> STOP IT. 1241 00:40:03,367 --> 00:40:07,833 YOU HIT A ROMAN WALL? 1242 00:40:07,833 --> 00:40:09,800 >> WE HAD TO BREAK IT, COVER IT 1243 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,833 UP AND WE BEING NOT BUILD OVER 1244 00:40:11,833 --> 00:40:13,467 THE ROMAN WALL. 1245 00:40:13,467 --> 00:40:15,467 >> ROCCO COMMISSO STILL SEEMS TO 1246 00:40:15,467 --> 00:40:16,233 LOVE THIS BUSINESS. 1247 00:40:16,233 --> 00:40:17,167 HE'S BECOME ONE OF THE MOST 1248 00:40:17,167 --> 00:40:20,133 FAMOUS AMERICANS IN ITALY. 1249 00:40:20,133 --> 00:40:22,367 AND ADORES HIS PLAYERS. 1250 00:40:22,367 --> 00:40:26,267 SOME WHO LOOK LIKE MICHELANGELO 1251 00:40:26,267 --> 00:40:28,433 HIMSELF AND MIGHT HAVE CARVED 1252 00:40:28,433 --> 00:40:29,033 HIM OUT OF MARBLE. 1253 00:40:29,033 --> 00:40:32,667 >> MY JOB IS TO HUG THEM, KISS 1254 00:40:32,667 --> 00:40:34,767 THEM AND PUT MY ARMS AROUND THEM 1255 00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:38,367 AND HOPE THEY DO BETTER THE NEXT 1256 00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:38,600 TIME. 1257 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,067 >> THEY GET THE MESSAGE 1258 00:40:40,067 --> 00:40:40,800 INDIRECTLY THAT THINGS HAVE TO 1259 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,667 CHANGE HERE. 1260 00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:43,667 >> HOW DO THEY GET THE MESSAGE? 1261 00:40:43,667 --> 00:40:46,233 >> THEY GET THE MESSAGE. 1262 00:40:46,233 --> 00:40:47,200 NEVER MIND. 1263 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,500 [ LAUGHTER ] 1264 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,433 >> AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING IF 1265 00:40:49,433 --> 00:40:52,200 COMMISSO STILL PLAYS A MEAN 1266 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,300 ACCORDION, HERE'S YOUR ANSWER. 1267 00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:53,467 * 1268 00:40:53,467 --> 00:40:57,667 * 1269 00:40:57,667 --> 00:40:57,833 * 1270 00:40:57,833 --> 00:40:59,733 >> OUR VISIT TO FLORENCE ENDED 1271 00:40:59,733 --> 00:41:01,833 WITH DINNER AND A SERENADE BY 1272 00:41:01,833 --> 00:41:03,733 THE BILLIONAIRE FROM THE BRONX. 1273 00:41:03,733 --> 00:41:04,267 * 1274 00:41:04,267 --> 00:41:06,667 * 1275 00:41:06,667 --> 00:41:07,800 * 1276 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,300 * 1277 00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:13,433 >> DO YOU THINK IF YOU HAD 1278 00:41:13,433 --> 00:41:16,433 STAYED IN ITALY YOU'D HAVE BEEN 1279 00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:17,933 ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE SUCCESS THAT 1280 00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:19,433 YOU HAVE TODAY? 1281 00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:20,267 >> NO. 1282 00:41:20,267 --> 00:41:20,933 NO WAY. 1283 00:41:20,933 --> 00:41:23,267 THIS IS TRULY THE LAND OF 1284 00:41:23,267 --> 00:41:23,967 OPPORTUNITY. 1285 00:41:23,967 --> 00:41:27,400 IT GAVE THIS POOR SOUL, OKAY -- 1286 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,600 YEAH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME 1287 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,433 SOMETHING, SOMEBODY AND THAT'S 1288 00:41:32,433 --> 00:41:34,333 THE BEAUTY ABOUT AMERICA. 1289 00:41:34,333 --> 00:41:35,700 >> YOU STILL BELIEVE IN THE 1290 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:36,333 AMERICAN DREAM? 1291 00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:38,167 >> ABSOLUTELY. 1292 00:41:38,167 --> 00:41:38,633 YEAH. 1293 00:41:38,633 --> 00:41:41,833 THIS IS THE LAST HOPE IN THE 1294 00:41:41,833 --> 00:41:42,067 WORLD. 1295 00:41:42,067 --> 00:41:44,533 >> MY MOM PROVIDED ME A 1296 00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:46,067 PHENOMENAL EDUCATION. 1297 00:41:46,067 --> 00:41:48,367 >> ROCCO HAS GIVEN MILLIONS TO 1298 00:41:48,367 --> 00:41:50,600 HIS ALMA MATERS AND HAS 1299 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,233 CONTRIBUTED TO SCHOLARSHIPS TO 1300 00:41:52,233 --> 00:41:54,300 3,000 CHILDREN ACROSS THE U.S. 1301 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:55,733 INCLUDING MANY FIRST-GENERATION 1302 00:41:55,733 --> 00:41:56,400 IMMIGRANTS LIKE HIM. 1303 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,533 >> I JUST WANT TO BE KNOWN AS 1304 00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:01,267 THE GUY THAT NOTHING, SUCCESS 1305 00:42:01,267 --> 00:42:02,433 NEVER CHANGED HIM. 1306 00:42:02,433 --> 00:42:02,767 >> JUST ROCCO. 1307 00:42:02,767 --> 00:42:08,767 >> JUST ROCCO. 1308 00:42:08,767 --> 00:42:10,600 >> MORE ON TONIGHT'S STORIES 1309 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:10,933 INCLUDING -- 1310 00:42:10,933 --> 00:42:13,567 >> HOW SIMILAR IS THE MOVIE TO 1311 00:42:13,567 --> 00:42:15,400 ACTUAL TOP GUN? 1312 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,900 >> TOP GUN GRADUATES COMPARE THE 1313 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:24,133 MOVIE TO THE REAL THING 1314 00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:24,400 . 1315 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:43,300 >>