1 00:00:12,011 --> 00:00:21,454 >>> WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF AMERICA WAS INVADED BY A FOREIGN ARMY? IF YOU WEREN'T AMONG THE DEAD AND WOUNDED, WOULD YOU JOIN THE 2 00:00:21,521 --> 00:00:31,731 REFUGEES OR THE RESISTANCE? TONIGHT, MEET THE UKRAINIANS CIVILIANS WHO CHOSE TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM BEHIND ENEMY LINES. 3 00:00:31,798 --> 00:00:41,408 THE ARMY DIDN'T WANT ME BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN. BUT I INSISTED AND CONVINCED THEM I COULD HELP. 4 00:00:41,474 --> 00:00:50,917 >>> I THINK GROWING UP HERE GAVE ME AN ENORMOUS APPRECIATION FOR THE WORLD. GOVERNOR UNSURPRISINGLY STANDS 5 00:00:50,984 --> 00:00:56,523 BY BIG COAL. HE SURPRISED US ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE HE BELIEVES AROUND ENERGY POLICY. 6 00:00:56,589 --> 00:01:02,328 >> SO YOU TELL THE PEOPLE OF WYOMING THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL? >> I DO. 7 00:01:02,395 --> 00:01:09,369 >> AND THAT IT'S URGENT? IT'S AN URGENT CRISIS ?N >> I HAVE SAID THAT. I HAVE GOTTEN PUSHBACK FROM THAT 8 00:01:09,436 --> 00:01:23,783 AS WELL. >> I BET YOU HAVE. >>> CAN YOU DO THIS? HOW ABOUT THIS? 9 00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:29,856 NOVAK DJOKOVIC CAN, AND THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GREATEST CHAMPION IN THE HISTORY OF MEN'S TENNIS. HE CLEARLY WANTED TO LEAVE HIS 10 00:01:29,923 --> 00:01:38,264 MARK ON THIS INTERVIEW, TOO. MENTAL STRENGTH, WHICH IS YOUR GREAT GIFT, IS HARDER TO ARTICULATE. 11 00:01:38,331 --> 00:01:45,405 >> I WOULD HAVE TO CORRECT YOU. IT'S NOT A GIFT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES WITH WORK. 12 00:01:45,472 --> 00:01:50,176 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. 13 00:01:50,243 --> 00:01:57,217 >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT 14 00:01:57,283 --> 00:02:14,634 ON "60 MINUTES." >>> TONIGHT, 35 MILLION VICTIMS OF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION HAVE A NEW REASON TO WORRY. 15 00:02:14,701 --> 00:02:21,941 THIS PAST WEDNESDAY, THE U.S. SENATE DEFEATED BILLIONS IN AID FOR UKRAINE. THE BILL INCLUDED RELIEF FOR 16 00:02:22,008 --> 00:02:29,849 ISRAEL AND THE U.S./MEXICO BORDER, BUT REPUBLICANS WANTED MORE ON IMMIGRATION. THE SENATE'S LIKELY TO TRY 17 00:02:29,916 --> 00:02:36,122 AGAIN. THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS UKRAINE'S SUPPORT WILL RUN OUT IN WEEKS. UKRAINE HAS TO ASK THE WEST FOR 18 00:02:36,189 --> 00:02:44,397 A LOT OF MONEY. BUT NOT A DROP OF BLOOD. ITS PEOPLE ARE DOING THE FIGHTING, EVEN CIVILIANS, WHO 19 00:02:44,464 --> 00:02:52,539 CHOSE NOT TO FLEE, BUT STAY BEHIND RUSSIAN LINES AND JOIN THE RESISTANCE. THEY INCLUDE A WEDDING PLANNER, 20 00:02:52,605 --> 00:03:04,884 AN OFFICE WORKER, AND RETIREES WHO PLEDGED THEIR LIVES, THEIR FORTUNES AND THEIR SACRED HONOR TO DEFEND THE FREE WORLD FROM 21 00:03:04,951 --> 00:03:17,196 TYRANNY. IN FEBRUARY 2022, NEARLY 200,000 RUSSIANS INVADED. AND UKRAINIAN CIVILIANS HEARD 22 00:03:17,263 --> 00:03:29,876 THE CALL TO ARMS. OLHA HRYNCHENKO WENT STRAIGHT TO ENLIST IN THE ARMY. THEY DIDN'T WANT ME BECAUSE I'M 23 00:03:29,943 --> 00:03:47,360 A WOMAN, SHE SAID. BUT I INSISTED, AND CONVINCED THEM I COULD HELP. THE WEDDING PLANNER, VITALII, OR 24 00:03:47,427 --> 00:03:54,701 NIEZ ORGANIZED LIST HIS FRIENDS. AND 62-YEAR-OLD BORYS SILENKO CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT TO DEFEND 25 00:03:54,767 --> 00:04:02,342 HIS COUNTRY. I TOLD MYSELF, NO, I WON'T FLEE. THIS IS MY LAND. THIS IS MY REGION. 26 00:04:02,408 --> 00:04:11,818 THEIR REGION IS KHERSON, A SOUTHERN PROVINCE WITH A CAPITAL OF THE SAME NAME ON THE DNIPRO RIVER. 27 00:04:11,884 --> 00:04:19,626 ON MARCH 2, 2022, RUSSIA'S SURPRISE ADTTACK OVERWHELMED TH CITY. THE GOVERNMENT SURRENDERED, BUT 28 00:04:19,692 --> 00:04:30,336 THE PEOPLE REBELLED. AROUND ED ARMED WITH FLAGS, CIVILIANS CONFRONTED RUSSIAN TEAR GAS AND 29 00:04:30,403 --> 00:04:38,578 BULLETS. IN SECRET CAMPS, VOLUNTEERS ORGANIZED AN UNDERGROUND FORCE TO HARASS THE INVADERS, WHILE 30 00:04:38,645 --> 00:04:48,454 OTHERS GATHERED WINDOWSILL INTELLIGENCE TO UPLOAD TO THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY. TO HEAR THE STORY OF HOW KHERSON 31 00:04:48,521 --> 00:04:58,564 ROSE UP, WE HAD TO HEAD DOWN. THE RUSSIANS WERE ONE MILE FROM HERE, FIRING ARTILLERY. SO WE ASSEMBLED A STUDIO IN A 32 00:04:58,631 --> 00:05:06,172 BUNKER. HERE WE MET VITALII, WHO ASKED TO GO BY HIS FIRST NAME. HE RECRUITED TEN FRIENDS, 33 00:05:06,239 --> 00:05:15,415 INCLUDING A COFFEE SHOP OWNER AND A FARMER. MOST HAD NEVER LOADED A GUN. HE TOLD US, THAT WAS OUR TEAM. 34 00:05:15,481 --> 00:05:24,023 DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DIFFERENT IN AGE AND SOCIAL STATUS. JUST LIKE THAT. UKRAINIANS. 35 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:34,133 HIS TEAM OF CIVILIANS IMPROVISED THIS BASE NEAR THE RIVER. THEY RAN HIT AND RUN RAIDS, INCLUDING VITALII SAYS, AN 36 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:44,477 ATTACK ON A SMALL RUSSIAN BOAT. WE KILLED ALL OF THEM ON THE BOAT. A MAJOR, A CAPTAIN, TWO 37 00:05:44,544 --> 00:05:53,986 LIEUTENANTS, A SENIOR SERGEANT AND A SOLDIER. HELP AN AMERICAN AUDIENCE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU FEEL SO 38 00:05:54,053 --> 00:06:06,799 STRONGLY ABOUT PROTECTING THIS COUNTRY AND THESE PEOPLE. THE RUSSIANS CAME TO OUR HOME. SOMEONE AT THE TOP DECIDED THAT 39 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:17,176 THEY COULD COME TO YOUR HOME, TELL YOU HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE, RAPE YOUR WIFE, KILL YOUR CHILD, SMASH YOUR FIELDS WITH TANKS, 40 00:06:17,243 --> 00:06:27,520 AND LAY MINES. YOU ARE BLOODY SAVAGES. NO MORE, NO LESS. WHY DEFEND MY PEOPLE? 41 00:06:27,587 --> 00:06:34,961 I WAS BROUGHT UP THIS WAY. BORYS SILENKO WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP THAT WAY. HE IS A RETIRED POLITICIAN AND 42 00:06:35,027 --> 00:06:44,637 FORMER GOVERNOR OF THE PROVINCE. IN MY COUNTRY HOUSE, HE TOLD US, I HAD GASOLINE AND OIL FOR MY CAR. 43 00:06:44,704 --> 00:06:53,146 AND SO FOLLOWING A RECIPE WE MADE MOLOTOV COCKTAILS IN BOTTLES. HE TOLD US THOSE COCKTAILS WENT 44 00:06:53,212 --> 00:07:04,223 DOWN THE HATCH OF A RUSSIAN ARMORED VEHICLE LIKE THIS. THIS IS SILENKO, WHO FOUGHT WITH A CIVILIAN TEAM AND ATE FOOD SET 45 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:14,233 OUT BY VILLAGERS. HE SAYS ONE NIGHT HE WAS AMBUSHED AND SHOT. I SAW MY LEG AND MUSCLES WERE 46 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:21,340 TORN. BUT NOT THE BONE. WHEN I TOOK THE BODY ARMOR OFF, MY CHEST WAS COVERED IN BRUISES 47 00:07:21,407 --> 00:07:30,183 AS A RESULT OF TWO BULLETS THAT HIT THE BODY ARMOR. SILENKO TOLD US HE ESCAPED AND TREATED HIS LEG. 48 00:07:30,249 --> 00:07:38,124 I HEATED MY KNIFE AND WITH A STICK BETWEEN MY TEETH, I CUT OFF ALL THE MUSCLES THAT WERE LOOSE ON MY LEG. 49 00:07:38,191 --> 00:07:47,567 I STITCHED THE WOUND UP AS BEST I COULD IN THE DARK WITH NO ANESTHETIC. I KNEW THAT IF I SURRENDERED, 50 00:07:47,633 --> 00:08:01,614 THEY WOULD TORTURE ME TO DEATH. TORTURE SETS THE PRICE OF FREEDOM NEARLY BEYOND REACH. LIKE SILENKO, THIS COUPLE WAS 51 00:08:01,681 --> 00:08:09,455 COLLECTING WEAPONS UNTIL THEY WERE BETRAYED BY TRAITORS, COLLABORATING WITH RUSSIA. AFTER YOU WERE ARRESTED, THE 52 00:08:09,522 --> 00:08:19,398 RUSSIANS TRIED TO GET YOU TO GIVE UP THE NAMES OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE RESISTANCE. I WONDER WHAT THE RUSSIANS DID 53 00:08:19,465 --> 00:08:25,137 TO YOU TO TRY TO GET THAT INFORMATION. THE PAIR ASKED NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED. 54 00:08:25,204 --> 00:08:32,979 YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY. SHALL WE TELL YOU EVERYTHING, HE ASKED? YES. 55 00:08:33,045 --> 00:08:43,656 WHAT THEY HAVE TO TELL ABOUT RUSSIAN TORTURE IS HARD TO BEAR. BUT IT SHOULD BE HEARD. THEY POURED VODKA DOWN MY 56 00:08:43,723 --> 00:08:50,062 THROAT. THEY SAID, WE WILL POUR A LITER OF VODKA INTO YOU, AND YOU WILL TELL US EVERYTHING. 57 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:59,705 HE SAID, THEY BURNED HER LEGS WITH BOILING WATER. THEY PUT A GUN TO MY EYES AND SAID, I'M GOING TO SHOOT YOU. 58 00:08:59,772 --> 00:09:07,513 I WANTED HIM TO SHOOT ME. I WANTED IT TO HAPPEN QUICKLY, NOT TO BE TORTURED. I WAS ONLY THINKING ABOUT MY 59 00:09:07,580 --> 00:09:15,488 CHILDREN SO THAT THE RUSSIANS DON'T GET AHOLD OF THEM. I ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT MY CHILDREN. 60 00:09:15,554 --> 00:09:21,661 HE TOLD US, THEY TWISTED MY ARMS BEHIND MY BACK AND STARTED PUSHING THEM IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, ALMOST BREAKING 61 00:09:21,727 --> 00:09:45,651 THEM. THEN THEY LET ME GO. AND ABOUT 30 MINUTES LATER, THEY TOOK ME UPSTAIRS AGAIN. 62 00:09:45,718 --> 00:09:56,028 HE TOLD US THE RUSSIANS TORTURED HIM WITH ELECTRIC SHOCK FROM AN ARMY FIELD TELEPHONE LIKE THIS. IT HAS A CRANK THAT GENERATES 63 00:09:56,095 --> 00:10:04,770 ELECTRICITY. WHEN THEY BROUGHT ME IN AGAIN, THEY TOOK MY TROUSERS OFF. THEY ATTACHED THE CLIPS TO MY 64 00:10:04,837 --> 00:10:17,216 GENITALS AND MY LIP, AND WHILE THEY WERE SETTING UP THE WIRES, THEY WERE TRYING TO TAKE MY TOOTH OUT WITH PLIERS. 65 00:10:17,283 --> 00:10:24,290 THEY WOULD SAY TO ME, LET'S CALL BIDEN OR ZELENSKYY. YOU CHOOSE. BIDEN WAS WHEN THEY ATTACHED THE 66 00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:31,897 CLIPS TO MY GENITALS AND LIP. AND WHEN THEY CLIPPED TO MY EAR AND TOE, THAT'S WHEN WE CALLED ZELENSKYY. 67 00:10:31,964 --> 00:10:45,711 THAT'S HOW THEY JOKE WHEN THEY TORTURE PEOPLE. YOU DID NOT GIVE UP THE NAMES. AND I WONDER WHY YOU CHOSE TO 68 00:10:45,778 --> 00:10:54,553 SUFFER SO MUCH. BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG GUYS. THEY HAVE FAMILIES, CHILDREN. AND I AM UKRAINIAN. 69 00:10:54,620 --> 00:11:05,031 I JUST COULDN'T. THE RUSSIANS RELEASED THEM AFTER FINDING NO EVIDENCE. THEY HAD HAD THEIR PHONES WIPED 70 00:11:05,097 --> 00:11:15,241 CLEAN OFTEN TO LEAVE NO CLUES AND NO LEADS. WHILE MANY FOUGHT IN THE UNDERGROUND, 34-YEAR-OLD OLHA 71 00:11:15,307 --> 00:11:23,983 HRYNCHENKO AND 66-YEAR-OLD KOSTANTYN KOZAK VOLUNTEERED FOR THE ARMY. THEY WERE AMONG THE OVERNIGHT 72 00:11:24,050 --> 00:11:33,059 SOLDIERS WHO THREW ON UNIFORMS TOO NEW FOR INSIGNIA, PICKED UP WEAPONS SHORT OF AMMUNITION, AND WITH NO TRAINING, FACED ELITE 73 00:11:33,125 --> 00:11:42,301 RUSSIAN PARATROOPERS. OLHA TOLD US, WHEN THE RUSSIANS STARTED SHOOTING FROM HEAVY CALIBER WEAPONS, IT TURNED INTO 74 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:51,377 A COMPLETE NIGHTMARE, BECAUSE THERE WAS LOTS OF SMOKE, FIRE EVERYWHERE AROUND. OUR INTERVIEW WITH OLHA WAS ONE 75 00:11:51,444 --> 00:12:00,219 OF THOSE THAT WAS INTERRUPTED BY THE DISTANT RUMBLE OF A RUSSIAN SHELL EXPLODING IN THE CITY. WHY WERE YOU THERE THE DAY -- 76 00:12:00,286 --> 00:12:10,596 THERE GO THE RUSSIANS AGAIN. WHEN YOU HEAR EXPLOSIONS LIKE THAT IN THE CITY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? 77 00:12:10,663 --> 00:12:16,068 NOTHING. WE LIVE ONE DAY AT A TIME TODAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THE FUTURE. 78 00:12:16,135 --> 00:12:26,979 WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO BE STRONG AND PATIENT AND LIVE IN THIS REALITY WE HAVE NOW. THAT'S IT. 79 00:12:27,046 --> 00:12:36,222 KOSTANTYN TOLD US ABOUT LILAC PARK IN KHERSON, WHERE THE OVERNIGHT SOLDIERS TRIED TO MAKE A STAND. 80 00:12:36,288 --> 00:12:46,065 HE SAID, ON VIDEO, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE WHO DIED, AND YOU CAN SEE THEM LYING THERE, WEAPONS NEXT TO THEM, A HORRIBLE SITUATION, 81 00:12:46,132 --> 00:12:58,144 BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TORN APART. THE TREES WERE TORN APART. 28 VOLUNTEERS WERE KILLED IN THE LILAC PARK MASSACRE. 82 00:12:58,210 --> 00:13:03,682 THEY NEVER STOOD A CHANCE. THEY KNEW THAT. BUT THEY WERE ALL THAT STOOD BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS AND THEIR 83 00:13:03,749 --> 00:13:15,427 FAMILIES. CITIZENS OF KHERSON WHO GAVE THE LAST FULL MEASURE OF THEIR DEVOTION, LOOK TO THEIR CITY 84 00:13:15,494 --> 00:13:24,537 FROM A HILL. THE BATTLE OF KHERSON WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THEIR VICTORY OVER THE ARROGANCE OF THE KREMLIN. 85 00:13:24,603 --> 00:13:32,344 VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID THAT KHERSON WOULD BE RUSSIAN FOREVER. HE DID NOT KNOW THAT THE UKRAINIAN FORCES OUTSIDE THE 86 00:13:32,411 --> 00:13:41,987 CITY AND THE RESISTANCE FIGHTING WITHIN WOULD NEVER LET UP. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY UKRAINIANS WERE KILLED, BUT THE 87 00:13:42,054 --> 00:13:50,196 FRESH GRAVES IN THIS KHERSON CEMETERY TESTIFY TO THE RUSSIAN OCCUPATION. IT LASTED ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS, 88 00:13:50,262 --> 00:13:59,338 UNTIL THE RUSSIANS COULD NO LONGER HANG ON. A YEAR AGO, THE RUSSIANS RETREATED ACROSS THE RIVER FROM 89 00:13:59,405 --> 00:14:07,246 KHERSON CITY. BUT STILL, CIVILIANS CONTINUE TO SUFFER UNDER THE RUSSIAN ROULETTE OF ARTILLERY ROUNDS. 90 00:14:07,313 --> 00:14:15,688 AND WHILE WE WERE THERE, A SHELL HIT THIS BUILDING AND RIDDLED A CITY BUS. TWO PASSENGERS WERE WOUNDED, A 91 00:14:15,754 --> 00:14:24,330 POLICEMAN WAS KILLED. TODAY, RUSSIA STILL OCCUPIES NEARLY 20% OF UKRAINE. AND SO, THE RESISTANCE 92 00:14:24,396 --> 00:14:35,808 CONTINUES. OF THOSE WE SPOKE TO IN THE BUNKER, THE MAN WHO SUFFERED SO MUCH HAS NOW JOINED THE ARMY. 93 00:14:35,874 --> 00:14:45,784 SHE IS BACK IN CIVILIAN LIFE, AS IS OLHA HRYNCHENKO. BORYS SILENKO TRIED TO ENLIST, BUT THE ARMY TOLD HIM AT 62, HE 94 00:14:45,851 --> 00:14:56,395 IS TOO OLD. VITALII IS NOW IN THE SPECIAL FORCES AND HAD ONE LAST THING TO SAY. 95 00:14:56,462 --> 00:15:03,869 WHEN MISFORTUNE CAME, IT WAS AMERICA THAT OFFERED HELP TO MY COUNTRY. THE USA AND GREAT BRITAIN WERE 96 00:15:03,936 --> 00:15:13,579 THE FIRST COUNTRIES WHO CAME AND OFFERED THEIR SHOULDER, GIVING US A CHANCE AT THE VERY START TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH IN ORDER TO 97 00:15:13,646 --> 00:15:20,486 REGROUP. SO THANK YOU. TO ALL AMERICANS FROM UKRAINE. 98 00:15:29,428 --> 00:15:36,201 >>> REPRESENTATIVES FROM NEARLY EVERY NATION HAVE MET THIS WEEK AT AN ANNUAL CLIMATE SUMMIT SEARCHING FOR AGREEMENTS ON HOW 99 00:15:36,268 --> 00:15:43,409 TO CURB THE RISE OF GLOBAL TEMPERATURES. THE SUMMIT IS BEING HELD IN THE OIL-RICH UNITED ARAB EMIRATES. 100 00:15:43,475 --> 00:15:50,616 THAT HAS DISMAYED ACTIVISTS WHO BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS TO WALK AWAY FROM 101 00:15:50,683 --> 00:15:58,123 FOSSIL FUELS. FOR THE MOMENT AT LEAST, THE WORLD AND THE UNITED STATES NEED BOTH FOSSIL FUELS AND RENEWABLE 102 00:15:58,190 --> 00:16:03,996 ENERGY. AND THE BEST PROOF OF THAT MAY BE FOUND IN THE STATE OF WYOMING. 103 00:16:04,063 --> 00:16:09,968 IT IS THE COUNTRY'S LEADING COAL PRODUCING STATE AND VERY CONSERVATIVE POLITICALLY. YET, ITS REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, 104 00:16:10,035 --> 00:16:18,444 MARK GORDON, IS EMERGING AS A LEADING VOICE PROMOTING CLIMATE FRIENDLY ENERGY PROJECTS AND ACTION TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE 105 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:28,721 CRISIS. ESSENTIALLY, MARK GARD GORE GORS TRYING TO PROVE IT'S POSSIBLE TO BE RED AND GREEN. 106 00:16:28,787 --> 00:16:36,729 >> WE NEEDED TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. >> YOU TELL THE PEOPLE OF 107 00:16:36,795 --> 00:16:39,998 WYOMING THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL? >> I DO. >> AND IT'S URGENT? 108 00:16:40,065 --> 00:16:46,004 IT'S AN URGENT CRISIS. >> I HAVE SAID THAT. I HAVE GOTTEN PUSHBACK FROM THAT AS WELL. 109 00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:57,349 >> I BET YOU HAVE. IN SEPTEMBER, WE MET MARK GORDON IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS SECOND TERM AT WYOMING'S GOVERNOR ON A 110 00:16:57,416 --> 00:17:04,523 CATTLE RANCH WHERE HE GREW UP. >> THIS IS MY DAD'S OLD SADDLE. >> HIS FAMILY OWNS THIS RANCH. HE AND HIS WIFE OPERATE ANOTHER 111 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:12,464 ABOUT 40 MILES AWAY. HOW DID GROWING UP HERE AFFECT YOUR WORLDVIEW? >> I THINK GROWING UP HERE GAVE 112 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:21,974 ME AN ENORMOUS APPRECIATION FOR THE WORLD AROUND US AND THE ECOLOGICAL PROCESSES AND THE WEATHER. 113 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:32,985 YOU JUST ARE EXPOSED TO IT ON A REGULAR GORDON IS A MOUNTAIN CLIMBER WHO HAS SEEN GLACIERS RECEDING. 114 00:17:33,051 --> 00:17:41,360 HE SAYS THAT HELPED CONVINCE HIM TO SET A GOAL OF MAKING WYOMING NOT JUST CARBON NEUTRAL WHEN IT COMES TO CO2 EMISSIONS, BUT 115 00:17:41,427 --> 00:17:52,237 EVENTUALLY CARBON NEGATIVE. YOU FIRST MADE THIS PLEDGE OF NET NEGATIVE CO2 EMISSIONS AT A 2021 STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH. 116 00:17:52,304 --> 00:17:59,211 HOW DID THAT GO OVER? >> I THINK SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY RESENTED IT. I THINK GENERALLY, IT'S BEEN 117 00:17:59,278 --> 00:18:10,389 WELL RESPECTED. IT WAS TO SOME DEGREE A BOLD MOVE AND ONE THAT WAS INTENDED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THAT 118 00:18:10,456 --> 00:18:15,461 DISCUSSION ABOUT ENERGY IN THE FUTURE. >> AFTER GORDON REPEATED HIS NET NEGATIVE EMISSIONS GOAL AT AN 119 00:18:15,527 --> 00:18:22,801 APPEARANCE AT HARVARD IN OCTOBER, WYOMING'S REPUBLICAN PARTY PASSED A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN HIM. 120 00:18:22,868 --> 00:18:32,211 BUT HE SAYS HEAT FROM THE RIGHT WON'T DETER HIM FROM PURSUING WHAT HE CALLS AN ALL OF THE ABOVE ENERGY POLICY. 121 00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:36,682 >> WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN ENERGY, PROBABLY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH WYOMING. 122 00:18:36,748 --> 00:18:43,722 WE HAVE WIND RESOURCES. WE HAVE THE LARGEST RESERVES OF URANIUM, IMPORTANT FOR NUCLEAR ENERGY. 123 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:50,529 LARGEST COAL PRODUCER, NUMBER EIGHT IN OIL, NINE IN NATURAL GAS, 83% OF OUR ENERGY IS EXPORTED. 124 00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:59,104 >> THAT WILL SOON INCLUDE NUCLEAR POWER, FROM A NEXT GENERATION REACTOR TO BE BUILT IN WYOMING WITH A $500 MILLION 125 00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:08,614 INVESTMENT FROM BILL GATES. HUGE WIND FARMS ALREADY DOT WYOMING'S LANDSCAPE, WITH THE BIGGEST ONE YET ON THE WAY. 126 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:17,089 >> THE WIND BLOWS BASICALLY 24/7, 365 DAYS A YEAR. >> BILL MILLER IS PRESIDENT OF THE POWER COMPANY OF WYOMING, 127 00:19:17,155 --> 00:19:24,863 WHICH IS BEGINNING TO BUILD WHAT WILL BE THE LARGEST WIND FARM IN THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES. IN THE MIDDLE OF A GEOGRAPHIC 128 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:33,772 BREAK IN THE CONTINENTAL DIVIDE. >> ALL THE WINDS WHICH BLOW FROM WEST TO EAST PRETTY MUCH ARE FUNNELED THROUGH THIS PART OF 129 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:42,915 THE COUNTRY. >> MILLER DROVE TO THE TOP OF A PLACE CALLED CHOKECHERRY KNOB. TO GIVE US A TASTE OF THE WIND. 130 00:19:42,981 --> 00:19:50,355 WHEN THIS IS UP AND RUNNING, HOW MANY TURBINES WILL BE OUT HERE? >> CURRENT PLAN CALLS FOR 600 TURBINES. 131 00:19:50,422 --> 00:19:55,961 >> HOW MUCH ENERGY WILL THAT GENERATE? >> IT WILL GENERATE AROUND 12 MILLION MEGAWATT HOURS OF POWER 132 00:19:56,028 --> 00:20:00,999 A YEAR. >> THAT'S ENOUGH TO POWER HOW MANY HOMES? >> A MILLION, A MILLION TWO. 133 00:20:01,066 --> 00:20:08,540 >> WYOMING DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT MANY HOMES. IT HAS THE SMALLEST POPULATION OF ANY OF THE 50 STATES. 134 00:20:08,607 --> 00:20:17,983 SO THE PLAN IS TO BUILD A NEW 800-MILE LONG TRANSITION LINE TO SEND THAT POWER TO CALIFORNIA, WHICH NEEDS AND WANTS IT. 135 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:24,556 WHAT'S THIS GOING TO COST? >> THE WIND FARM WILL BE SOMETHING NORTH OF $5 BILLION. TRANSMISSION LINE WILL BE 136 00:20:24,623 --> 00:20:29,761 SOMETHING NORTH OF $3 BILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT. >> THAT'S A BIG INVESTMENT. >> YES. 137 00:20:29,828 --> 00:20:38,203 >> THE PROJECT IS BANKROLLED BY BILLIONAIRE PHILIP ANSCHUTZ WHO OWNS THE COMPANY BILL MILLER RUNS AND WHO FIRST MADE HIS 138 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:45,711 FORTUNE IN OIL. >> SOCIETY HAS SPOKEN. THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO GO TO IS RENEWABLE 139 00:20:45,777 --> 00:20:51,783 ENERGY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A PROJECT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE ZERO CARBON INITIATIVES THAT WE 140 00:20:51,850 --> 00:20:58,991 STRONGLY BELIEVE IN. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS IS THE BEST PLACE FOR IT TO HAPPEN. 141 00:20:59,057 --> 00:21:11,003 >> AT THIS PAST SUMMER'S WIND GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY FOR THE TRANSMISSION LINE, BILL MILLER WAS JOINED NOT JUST BY MARK 142 00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:24,182 GORDON BUT ALSO BY TWO MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT BIDEN'S CABINET. >> THE WAY WE TRIED Y TO NAVIGA THIS IS TO FIND SOMETHING FOR 143 00:21:24,249 --> 00:21:26,451 EVERYONE. I THINK THAT'S -- >> IS THAT POSSIBLE? >> YEAH. 144 00:21:26,518 --> 00:21:41,199 I THINK IT IS. IF FEMPEOPLE ARE GOING TO EMBRA HOW WE GET TO CARBON NEGATIVE IT'S BY SAYING WE WILL BE BETTER 145 00:21:41,266 --> 00:21:50,742 BY EMBRACING INNOVATION. >> IF A SINGLE PICTURE CAN CAPTURE WYOMING'S ENERGY PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE, THIS MAY BE 146 00:21:50,809 --> 00:21:56,815 IT. A FULLY LOADED COAL TRAIN PASSING IN FRONT OF A HUGE WIND FARM. 147 00:21:56,882 --> 00:22:03,555 REMEMBER, THIS STATE STILL PRODUCES MORE COAL THAN ANY OTHER BY FAR. >> THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WILL 148 00:22:03,622 --> 00:22:10,762 TRULY AS A WORLD MOVE AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS IS VERY LOW. >> HOLLY KRUTKA RUNS THE SCHOOL OF ENERGY RESOURCES AT THE 149 00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:18,870 UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING. BEFORE SHIFTING TO ACADEMIA, SHE WORKED FOR PEABODY, THE LARGEST COAL COMPANY IN AMERICA. 150 00:22:18,937 --> 00:22:25,744 >> 82% OF OUR GLOBAL ENERGY CONSUMPTION IS FOSSIL FUELS. >> 82%? >> 82%. 151 00:22:25,811 --> 00:22:34,453 IT HAS NOT CHANGED. >> BECAUSE OF THAT STARK FACT, KRUTKA AND HER COLLEAGUES ARE FOCUSED ON TAKING THE CO2 OUT OF 152 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:41,727 FOSSIL FUELS LIKE COAL BEFORE IT REACHES THE ATMOSPHERE, WITH A TECHNOLOGY CALLED CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE. 153 00:22:41,793 --> 00:22:48,166 >> THERE ARE CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE PROJECTS IN AMERICA WORKING RIGHT NOW. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. 154 00:22:48,233 --> 00:22:53,605 THE CAPTURE SIDE, WE'RE THERE TODAY. >> YOU CAN DO IT NOW? >> RIGHT NOW. 155 00:22:53,672 --> 00:23:00,078 YES. >> THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE. BUT IS IT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE? >> IT WILL ALWAYS BE CHEAPER TO 156 00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:06,351 DO NOTHING THAN TO ADD CARBON CAPTURE AND STORAGE. IF YOU WANT TO REDUCE EMISSIONS, THIS IS PART OF THE SOLUTION. 157 00:23:06,418 --> 00:23:17,996 WE HAVE TO DECIDE, IS IT WORTH THE COST? >> AT THE HUGE DRY FORK COAL FIRED POWER PLANT NEAR GILLETTE, 158 00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:23,001 THE UNIVERSITY OOF WYOMING IS OPERATING THE INTEGRATED TEST CENTER. SOME OF THE FLUE GAS THAT WOULD 159 00:23:23,068 --> 00:23:30,609 GO UP THE SMOKESTACK IS SIPHONED OFF INTO LABS LIKE THIS WHERE THE JAPANESE COMPANY KAWASAKI IS TESTING METHODS FOR MAKING 160 00:23:30,675 --> 00:23:42,254 CARBON CAPTURE MORE ECONOMICAL. WELLS 10,000 FEET DEEP HAVE BEEN DRILLED TO SHOW THAT CAPTURED CO2 CAN BE STORED UNDERGROUND 161 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:53,765 FOREVER. HOW BIG A DEAL WOULD IT BE TO FIND AN AFFORDABLE WAY TO CAPTURE CARBON AT THE POINT OF 162 00:23:53,832 --> 00:24:00,505 EMISSION, IN POWER PLANTS AROUND THE WORLD? >> IT WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER FOR CERTAIN. 163 00:24:00,572 --> 00:24:08,246 >> THERE ARE A LOT OF NAYSAYERS WHO SAY THIS IS A PIPE DREAM. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM? 164 00:24:08,313 --> 00:24:13,051 HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THEM? >> WE'RE TRYING IT. PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE 165 00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:20,559 COAL MINES. I AM. BUT I'M ALSO TRYING TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT IS GOING TO DO 166 00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:28,667 MORE FOR CLIMATE SOLUTIONS THAN SIMPLY STANDING UP A WIND FARMS OR SENDING UP A BUNCH OF SOLAR. >> WITH HIS ALL OF THE ABOVE 167 00:24:28,733 --> 00:24:37,909 APPROACH, MARK GORDON IS TRYING TO PUT EVERY KIND OF ENERGY PROJECT ON A FAST TRACK. INCLUDING BILL MILLER'S HUGE 168 00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:42,814 WIND FARM. HOW LONG DID YOU THINK IT WAS GOING TO TAKE WHEN YOU STARTED? >> WHEN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, I 169 00:24:42,881 --> 00:24:54,693 THOUGHT WE COULD GET THIS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITHIN FIVE YEARS. >> IT HAS BEEN 17? 17. 170 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:58,029 >> WHY SO LONG? >> THE BUREAUCRACY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> THE TOLD ME COMING UP HERE 171 00:24:58,096 --> 00:25:05,570 THE PROCESS WAS LIKE A NIGHTMARE. >> IT WAS DIFFICULT. MAYBE NIGHTMARE IS TOO STRONG. 172 00:25:05,637 --> 00:25:14,412 IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. >> HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO REDUCE REGULATORY AND PERMITTING BARRIERS? 173 00:25:14,479 --> 00:25:20,485 >> I THINK IT'S MASSIVE. PERMITTING REFORM, I THINK, IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES AT A FEDERAL LEVEL. 174 00:25:20,552 --> 00:25:27,759 IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING EMBRACED BY BOTH SIDES. >> BOTH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS 175 00:25:27,826 --> 00:25:35,300 HAVE ENDORSED THE IDEA OF STREAMLINING PERMITTING FOR ENERGY PROJECTS. ACTUALLY DOING IT IS ANOTHER 176 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:42,474 STORY. IN WYOMING, GOVERNOR GORDON HAS DONE WHAT HE CAN. >> ONE THING I CAN SHARE IS IT'S 177 00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:50,248 A STATE THAT'S WELCOMING TO INNOVATORS IN THE ENERGY SPACE. >> CULLY CAVNESS IS CO-FOUNDER OF CRUSOE ENERGY SYSTEMS. 178 00:25:50,315 --> 00:25:59,157 ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, IT DECIDED TO TACKLE THE PROBLEM OF FLARING, WHEN GAS PRODUCED AT OIL WELL IS BURNED INTO THE 179 00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:05,230 ATMOSPHERE. >> IF YOU COULD CAPTURE IT, IT WOULD POWER TWO-THIRDS OF EUROPE'S ELECTRICITY. 180 00:26:05,297 --> 00:26:11,903 IT'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF WASTE. WE BURN IT OFF BECAUSE THERE'S NO PIPELINE THERE. >> THEY CAME UP WITH THE 181 00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:19,844 UNCONVENTIONAL IDEA OF PUTTING A SMALL ELECTRICITY GENERATING POWER PLANT RIGHT WHERE THAT GAS WAS BEING FLARED AND WASTED. 182 00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:26,785 >> WE TAP INTO THAT GAS LINE. WE BRING THE GAS OVER TO A POWER GENERATION SYSTEM. THEN THAT GENERATES ELECTRICITY. 183 00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:36,828 WEON-SITE DATA CENTER TO POWER COMPUTERS. THEN WE NETWORK THE COMPUTERS TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD WITH FIBER OR 184 00:26:36,895 --> 00:26:43,234 SATELLITE INTERNET TO GET IT OFF SITE. >> YOU TAKE A DATA CENTER AND JUST BASICALLY PUT IT ON TOP OF 185 00:26:43,301 --> 00:26:48,473 THE WELLHEAD? >> EXACTLY. IT'S A MODERN DATA CENTER IN EVERY WAY WHEN YOU STAND INSIDE 186 00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:55,146 OF IT. THEN YOU STEP OUT THE DOOR, AND YOU ARE IN AN OIL FIELD. >> CRUSOE ENERGY FIRST USED 187 00:26:55,213 --> 00:27:04,756 THOSE ELECTRICITY GOBBLING DATA CENTERS TO MINE BITCOIN. NOW MOST OF THAT COMPUTER POWER IS BEING USED BY ARTIFICIAL 188 00:27:04,823 --> 00:27:10,795 INTELLIGENCE COMPANIES. THE FIRST PLACE TO LET THEM TRY THIS IN 2018 WAS WYOMING. >> THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN 189 00:27:10,862 --> 00:27:15,900 IDEA THAT EVERYONE IS GOING TO EMBRACE AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT OFF THE BAT BEFORE IT WAS DONE BEFORE. 190 00:27:15,967 --> 00:27:24,109 WYOMING WAS. THEY INVITED US TO DO IT FOR THE FIRST TIME HERE. WE DID IT THE AAT A SMALL SCALE. 191 00:27:24,175 --> 00:27:31,149 THAT HELPED ATTRACT FUNDING TO SCALE TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. >> HOW MANY CENTERS DO YOU HAVE UP AND RUNNING? 192 00:27:31,216 --> 00:27:39,657 >> WE ARE APPROACHING 200 BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE WILL HAVE 200 OF OUR MODULAR DATA CENTERS DEPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE UNITED 193 00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:44,863 STATES AND INTERNATIONALLY. >> HOW DO YOU ASSESS YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT? >> TODAY, WE ARE OPERATING AT A 194 00:27:44,929 --> 00:27:50,301 SCALE OF MORE THAN 20 MILLION CUBIC FEET OF GAS PER DAY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FLARED AND WASTED. 195 00:27:50,368 --> 00:27:58,643 WE PREVENT THAT. IT'S ON THE ORDER OF SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND CARS PER YEAR BEING TAKEN OFF THE ROAD. 196 00:27:58,710 --> 00:28:07,252 >> ARE YOU TRYING TO SEND OUT A MESSAGE TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND THE REST OF THE WORLD, IF YOU HAVE A RENEWABLE 197 00:28:07,318 --> 00:28:13,625 OR A CLIMATE FRIENDLY IDEA, BRING IT HERE? BRING IT TO WYOMING? >> LOVE TO. 198 00:28:13,691 --> 00:28:22,767 WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. THERE ARE SOME REALLY REMARKABLE THINGS THAT IF WE STOP TALKING 199 00:28:22,834 --> 00:28:30,041 ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULDN'T DO AND START TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW WE CAN EMBRACE THAT FUTURE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE 200 00:28:30,108 --> 00:28:32,210 DEDICATED TO HERE IN WYOMING. 201 00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:54,999 >>> 2023 WAS THE YEAR NOVAK DJOKOVIC TURNED 36. IT ALSO MARKED THE YEAR HE DECLARED GAME, SET, MATCH ON THE 202 00:28:55,066 --> 00:29:03,708 DEBATE OVER G.O.A.T. HE HAS 24 MAJOR SINGLES TITLED. TWO MORE THAN HIS RIVAL NADAL, FOUR MORE THAN FEDERER. 203 00:29:03,775 --> 00:29:11,916 NEXT MONTH, DJOKOVIC HEADS TO THE AUSTRALIAN OPEN, AN EVENT HE HAS WON TEN TIMES. LAST MONTH, HE INVITED US TO HIS 204 00:29:11,983 --> 00:29:18,690 HOMETOWN AND TOOK US INSIDE THE CATACOMBS OF HIS MIND, SHARING INCITE ON HOW TO ASCEND TO THE TOP LEVEL OF SPORTS AND STAY 205 00:29:18,756 --> 00:29:30,235 THERE. IT WAS A LATE MORNING WORKOUT IN BELGRADE, SERBIA. NOVAK DJOKOVIC LET US IN ON A 206 00:29:30,301 --> 00:29:44,682 KEY TO HIS STAGGERING SUCCESS. FORGET SPEED OR STRENGTH. FLEXIBILITY ENABLES HIM TO PERFORM FEATS LIKE THIS. 207 00:29:44,749 --> 00:29:55,760 IT IS ALSO ENABLED HIM TO CON CONTORT AND TWIST THE LAWS OF TIME. YOU ARE BEATING PLAYERS RIGHT 208 00:29:55,827 --> 00:30:02,867 NOW, GOOD PLAYERS WHO ARE CLOSER IN AGE TO YOUR KIDS THAN THEY ARE TO YOU. HOW MUCH SATISFACTION DOES THAT 209 00:30:02,934 --> 00:30:08,072 GIVE YOU? YOU LIKE THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO BE HONEST. 210 00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:15,847 YEAH, I THINK THE YOUNG GUYS WERE VERY HUNGRY AND VERY INSPIRED TO PLAY THEIR BEST TENNIS AGAINST ME IS AN 211 00:30:15,914 --> 00:30:21,719 ADDITIONAL MOTIVATION. I THINK THEY AWAKENED THE BEAST IN ME. >> DJOKOVIC IS NO LONGER CHASING 212 00:30:21,786 --> 00:30:29,694 RECORDS. HE IS CREATING THEM. HIS STUBBORN HAS BIT OF WINNING MAJOR TITLED STARTED IN 2008 AND 213 00:30:29,761 --> 00:30:36,568 IT HAS GONE ON AND ON. HALF OF HIS 24 COMING AFTER HE TURNED 30. MOST RECENTLY, LAST SEPTEMBER'S 214 00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:50,315 U.S. OPEN. HE SAYS THAT HE MAY NOT BE AS FAST AS HE ONCE WAS, BUT HE IS WISER AND MORE ACCURATE. 215 00:30:50,381 --> 00:30:57,488 GIVE US A SENSE OF THE SIZE OF THE TARGET YOU ARE AIMING FOR. >> LIKE THIS. A LITTLE COIN. 216 00:30:57,555 --> 00:31:05,196 AT TIMES, YES. >> YOU ARE BEING SERIOUS? >> I'M SERIOUS. AT TIMES I'M AIMING FOR THIS 217 00:31:05,263 --> 00:31:10,001 SIZE. SOMETIMES I'M AIMING FOR THIS SIZE. IT DEPENDS ON IN THE MOMENT OF 218 00:31:10,068 --> 00:31:16,174 THE MATCH WHO AM I PLAYING AGAINST, WHAT THE TACTIC IS. >> ANOTHER PART OF HIS TACTICS, LOOKING FOR ANY HINT OF WEAKNESS 219 00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:27,785 ACROSS THE NET. >> EVEN THROW THERE'S NO PHYSICAL CONTACT. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF EYE 220 00:31:27,852 --> 00:31:33,891 CONTACT, THE BIG SCREEN SHOWS HIM HOW HE DRIVES HIS WATER. I LOOK AT HIM, HOW IS HE DRINKING WATER? 221 00:31:33,958 --> 00:31:38,463 IS HE SWEATING MORE THAN USUAL? IS HE BREATHING -- >> YOU ARE TAKING ALL THIS IN? >> EXACTLY. 222 00:31:38,529 --> 00:31:43,901 IS HE BREATHING DEEPLY OR NOT? I LOOK HOW HE IS COMMUNICATING WITH HIS TEAM. YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT 223 00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:51,943 ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLAY THAT REALLY AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE AND THE GAME ITSELF. >> CAN I TELL YOU WHAT ONE OF 224 00:31:52,010 --> 00:32:02,320 THE HARDEST THINGS ABOUT COVERING YOU IS? PEOPLE UNDERSTAND BIG MUSCLES AND SPEED AND GRADE. 225 00:32:02,387 --> 00:32:07,191 MENTAL STRENGTH, YOUR GREAT GIFT, IS HARDER TO ARTICULATE. >> I HAVE TO CORRECT YOU. IT'S NOT A GIFT. 226 00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:12,730 IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES WITH WORK. >> YOU TRAIN FOR THE MENTAL SIDE THE WAY YOU WOULD YOUR SERVE OR 227 00:32:12,797 --> 00:32:16,567 YOUR FOREHAND? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> HOW? >> THERE ARE DIFFERENT 228 00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:21,072 TECHNIQUES. CONSCIOUS BREATHING IS A BIG PART, ESPECIALLY IN THE MOMENTS WHEN YOU ARE UNDER TENSION. 229 00:32:21,139 --> 00:32:27,145 >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, IN THE MOMENT, NOVAK IS SO LOCKED IN. YOU ARE SAYING THIS IS PART OF A 230 00:32:27,211 --> 00:32:32,216 PROCESS? >> I MIGHT APPEAR MAYBE LOCKED IN. TRUST ME, THERE'S A STORM 231 00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:36,788 INSIDE. THE BIGGEST ALWAYS BATTLE IS WITHIN. >> TAKE US IN THERE. 232 00:32:36,854 --> 00:32:42,260 >> YOU HAVE YOUR DOUBTS AND FEARS. I FEEL IT EVERY SINGLE MATCH. I DON'T LIKE THIS KIND OF A 233 00:32:42,327 --> 00:32:47,031 MINDSET THAT I SEE A LOT IN SPORTS. JUST THINK POSITIVE THOUGHTS, BE OPTIMISTIC. 234 00:32:47,098 --> 00:32:53,705 THERE'S NO ROOM FOR FAILURE. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, DOUBTS AND STUFF LIKE THIS. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. 235 00:32:53,771 --> 00:33:01,112 >> YOU DON'T BUY THAT? >> YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING. THE DIFFERENCE, I GUESS, BETWEEN THE GUYS WHO ARE ABLE TO BE 236 00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:09,987 BIGGEST CHAMPIONS AND THE ONES THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO GET TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL IS THE ABILITY TO NOT STAY IN THOSE EMOTIONS 237 00:33:10,054 --> 00:33:15,860 FOR TOO LONG. FOR ME, IT'S REALLY RELATIVELY SHORT. AS SOON AS I EXPERIENCE IT, I 238 00:33:15,927 --> 00:33:22,767 ACKNOWLEDGE IT, I MAYBE BURST, I SCREAM ON THE COURT, WHATEVER HAPPENS. BUT THEN I'M ABLE TO BOUNCE BACK 239 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:35,279 AND RESET. >> SOME DAYS YOU WIN AND YOU ARE THE BETTER PLAYER, MORE PRECISE. >> THAT HAPPENED IN 2019 WHEN I 240 00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:40,451 PLAYED FINALS OF WIMBLEDON, THAT EPIC MATCH WITH ROGER. >> HE HAD TWO MATCH POINTS ON HIS SERVE. 241 00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:51,629 >> I REMEMBER THAT VERY WELL. >> THE DECISIVE SET, WIMBLEDON CENTRE COURT, HISTORICALLY PIVOT PIVOTAL MATCH, CROWD WITH ROGER 242 00:33:51,696 --> 00:34:01,639 FEDERER WHO STOOD ONE POINT FROM VICTORY. DJOKOVIC STAYED ALIVE WITH COLD-BLOODED SHOTS LIKE THIS. 243 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:15,820 >> I BEAT HIM 13-12 IN THE FIFTH SET. THE SETS THAT I WON WERE ALL WON IN TIEBREAK, 7-6, 7-6, 13-12. 244 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:21,559 HE WAS FAR BETTER PLAYER IN EVERY ASPECT. BUT I WON THE MATCH. THAT ACTUALLY TELLS YOU THAT YOU 245 00:34:21,626 --> 00:34:29,233 CAN STILL WIN IF YOU PICK AND CHOOSE IN WHICH MOMENTS OF THE MATCH YOU ARE PEAKING AND YOU ARE PLAYING YOUR BEST WHEN IT 246 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:41,379 MATTERS. >> AT THE OUTSET OF HIS CAREER, DJOKOVIC COULDN'T BREAK THROUGH AGAINST FEDERER AND NAY DAL. 247 00:34:41,446 --> 00:34:47,084 HE FELT INTIMIDATED BY THEM. >> I'M PLAYING NADAL. I HAVE HIS LOCKER NEXT TO MY LOCKER. 248 00:34:47,151 --> 00:34:52,390 WE ARE SO CLOSE. WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE EACH OTHER SPACE. BUT THEN THE LOCKER ROOM IS NOT 249 00:34:52,457 --> 00:35:04,302 THAT BIG. THE WAY YOU JUMP AROUND LIKE NADAL DOES, I CAN HEAR THE MUSIC HE IS LISTENING TO. 250 00:35:04,368 --> 00:35:09,874 IT'S PISSING ME OFF. >> BEFORE YOU HIT THE FIRST BALL, THE COMPETITION STARTED? >> ABSOLUTELY. 251 00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:15,279 EARLY, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW THAT IS PART OF THE SCENARIO. I WAS GETTING INTIMIDATED BY THAT. 252 00:35:15,346 --> 00:35:21,285 IT'S MOTIVATING ME TO DO STUFF MYSELF AND SHOW THAT I'M READY. I'M READY FOR A BATTLE, FOR A WAR. 253 00:35:21,352 --> 00:35:34,098 >> IF DJOKOVIC SURPASSED HIS RIVALS, HE IS AWARE THAT HE HAS NEVER MATCHED THEIR SOARING POP OOH 254 00:35:34,165 --> 00:35:38,669 OOH OOHPOPULARITY. >> PRESSURE AND STRESS IS HIGHER IF YOU HAVE THE CROWD AGAINST 255 00:35:38,736 --> 00:35:46,110 YOU. MOST OF MY CAREER, IT WAS WHOLE STYLE ENVIRONMENT. I LEARN HOW TO THRIVE IN THAT 256 00:35:46,177 --> 00:35:52,116 ENVIRONMENT. PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER IF THEY DON'T LIKE ME SO THAT IT GETS THE BEST OUT OF ME 257 00:35:52,183 --> 00:35:59,423 IN TERMS OF TENNIS. IT DID HAPPEN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I ACTUALLY ENJOY MORE BEING IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE I 258 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:08,733 HAVE NICE SUPPORT. >> DJOKOVIC IS OPEN ABOUT THIS, TOO. HE SOMETIMES STRUGGLES WITH -- 259 00:36:08,799 --> 00:36:15,806 HOW TO PUT IT -- IMPULSE CONTROL. YOUR TENNIS IS SO PRECISE AND CRISP. 260 00:36:15,873 --> 00:36:22,880 HOW DO YOU HANDLE IT WHEN YOU MAKE THESE SORT OF ERRORS AND LAPSES WHEN YOU BREAK A RACKET OR WHEN YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE 261 00:36:22,947 --> 00:36:36,594 BETTER OF YOU? >> LOOK, I HAVE BROKEN ROCKE N IN MY LIFE. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. 262 00:36:36,661 --> 00:36:40,498 I'M NOT BROPROUD OF THAT .'M I'M ASHAMED OF MYSELF. I ACCEPT MYSELF AS A FLAWED HUMAN BEING. 263 00:36:40,565 --> 00:36:48,306 >> HE FOUND CONTROVERSY OF A LARGER SCALE IN EARLY 2022. UNVACCINATED, HE GOT AN EXEMPTION TO PLAY THE AUSTRALIAN 264 00:36:48,372 --> 00:36:54,612 OPEN, WHEN THE COUNTRY WAS COMING OUT OF A LONG COVID LOCKDOWN. AFTER PUBLIC OUTCRY, DJOKOVIC 265 00:36:54,679 --> 00:37:02,520 WAS DEPORTED. MAKING FOR A GLOBAL NEWS EVENT. HOW MUCH OF A TOLL DID THAT WHOLE CONTROVERSY TAKE ON YOU? 266 00:37:02,587 --> 00:37:08,693 >> IT DID. I WAS BASICALLY DECLARED AS A VILLAIN OF THE WORLD. >> YOU SENSED THAT? 267 00:37:08,759 --> 00:37:15,366 >> OF COURSE. I HAD BASICALLY MOST OF THE WORLD AGAINST ME. I HAD THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE ON 268 00:37:15,433 --> 00:37:21,472 THE TENNIS COURT WITH CROWDS THAT WERE NOT MAYBE CHEERING ME ON. BUT I NEVER HAD THIS PARTICULAR 269 00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:26,944 EXPERIENCE BEFORE IN MY LIFE. >> DID YOU MISREAD THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC IN WHAT THE REACTION WOULD BE? 270 00:37:27,011 --> 00:37:32,183 >> IN WHICH WAY? >> THEY DON'T LIKE EXCEPTIONALISM. THIS WAS A CULTURE THAT FELT 271 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:37,822 STRONGLY ABOUT VACCINATION. >> THE POINT IS, IT WAS NOT UP TO ME TO READ ANYBODY. I GOT THE EXEMPTION, I GOT 272 00:37:37,888 --> 00:37:44,095 PERMISSION TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY. OF COURSE, IT ESCALATED TO THE HIGHEST OF THE HIGHEST LEVELS 273 00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:49,800 GLOBALLY. >> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YOU ARE NOT AGAINST VACCINATION. YOU JUST DIDN'T WANT IT FOR 274 00:37:49,867 --> 00:37:55,873 YOURSELF? >> EXACTLY. PEOPLE TRIED TO DECLARE ME AS AN ANTI-VAX. 275 00:37:55,940 --> 00:38:04,448 I'M NOT. NOR AM I PRO-VAX. I'M PRO-FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. >> THERE ARE SO MANY DIMENSIONS 276 00:38:04,515 --> 00:38:14,458 TO DJOKOVIC. HE IS REMARKABLY ACCESSIBLE. HE MAY BE TENNIS' APEX PREDATOR, BUT IS EXCEEDINGLY POPULAR WITH 277 00:38:14,525 --> 00:38:23,300 OTHER PLAYERS. HE WON MORE MONEY THAN ANY TENNIS PLAYER IN HISTORY. YET CO-FOUNDED AN ASSOCIATION TO 278 00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:30,941 EASE THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF PRO TENNIS' RANK AND FILE. YOU UNDERSTAND HOW EXTRAORDINARY THIS IS, THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN 279 00:38:31,008 --> 00:38:37,148 TENNIS, EAT WHAT YOU KILL. YOU ARE HELPING THE OTHERS EAT WHO ARE THE SAME FOLKS THAT WANT TO TAKE FOOD OFF YOUR TABLE. 280 00:38:37,214 --> 00:38:46,891 >> BECAUSE I HAVE PLENTY. I HAVE MORE THAN WHAT I NEED. WOMEN AND MEN WHO ARE AROUND 200 AND LOWER RANKED IN THE WORLD, 281 00:38:46,957 --> 00:38:52,363 THEY ARE STRUGGLING A LOT. THEY CAN'T AFFORD A COACH, TRAVEL. THEY SKIP TOURNAMENTS. 282 00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:58,335 MANY LEAVE TENNIS WHO ARE TALENTED AND MAYBE CAPABLE OF REACHING GREAT HEIGHTS AND SUCCESSES, BUT THEY CAN'T MAKE 283 00:38:58,402 --> 00:39:04,308 IT. >> COMING FROM A SMALL COUNTRY AND MEAGER MEANS HIMSELF, DJOKOVIC KNOWS THIS BETTER THAN 284 00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:14,418 ANYONE. WHEN HE RETURNED TO SERBIA IN SEPTEMBER AFTER WINNING THE U.S. OPEN, 20,000 FANS GREETED HIM. 285 00:39:14,485 --> 00:39:26,864 HE WAS OVERCOME BY IT ALL. DURING OUR VISIT TO BELGRADE LAST MONTH, WE NOTICED THE PROMINENCE OF THE CONQUERING 286 00:39:26,931 --> 00:39:31,769 HERO AND THE SPECULATION ABOUT WHERE HIS POPULARITY MIGHT TAKE HIM NEXT. IT'S OBVIOUS, YOU ARE GOING TO 287 00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:36,207 BE THE LEADER OF THIS COUNTRY ONE DAY. WHAT KIND OF A LEADER ARE YOU GOING TO BE? 288 00:39:36,273 --> 00:39:42,146 >> HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU ARE MAKING SOME KIND OF CLAIMS HERE THAT I'M NOT EVEN AWARE OF. 289 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:46,984 >> I'VE SEEN YOUR POPULARITY HERE. YOU WILL HAVE AN EASY TIME AT THE BALLOT BOX HERE THAN WINNING 290 00:39:47,051 --> 00:39:53,491 IN AUSTRALIA. YOU HAVE DONE THAT TEN TIMES. >> I LOVE HOW YOU ARE PHRASING AND FORMULATING THIS QUESTION. 291 00:39:53,557 --> 00:40:04,101 THE WAY YOU DO IT IS SO -- I DO NOT HAVE ANY POLITICAL INSPIRATIONS AT THE MOMENT. I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS A 292 00:40:04,168 --> 00:40:14,145 WORLD OR AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE I WOULD THRIVE. I DO THINK THAT MY POPULARITY IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THE REGION 293 00:40:14,211 --> 00:40:24,622 CAN BE USED FOR SOME OTHER THINGS WHERE I CAN HELP CONTRIBUTE TO LIFE AND SOCIETY. >> SPECIFICALLY, HE AND HIS WIFE 294 00:40:24,688 --> 00:40:32,797 YEL JELENA HAVE A FOUNDATION. THIS GOES BEYOND THE AVERAGE ATHLETE FPHILANTHROPY. 295 00:40:32,863 --> 00:40:40,204 AS FOR THEIR OWN CHILDREN, STEFAN, AGE 9, AND TARA, AGE 6, THEY PLAY A ROLE IN THEIR FATHER'S TENNIS LONGEVITY. 296 00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:46,243 IS THE FACT YOUR KIDS ARE OLD ENOUGH NOT JUST TO WATCH YOU PLAY BUT TO APPRECIATE WHAT DAD'S DOING OUT THERE, IS THAT A 297 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:50,981 REASON TO KEEP PLAYING? >> YES. IT IS. ACTUALLY, YEARS AGO I HAD A 298 00:40:51,048 --> 00:40:57,755 DREAM THAT MY DAUGHTER AND MY SON WILL BE ABLE TO WATCH ME WIN WIMBLEDON TROPHY. THAT HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES. 299 00:40:57,822 --> 00:41:02,159 I WAS FORTUNATE TO EXPERIENCE THAT. >> MAYBE THE ULTIMATE CAREER EXTENDER, A NEW RIVAL TO 300 00:41:02,226 --> 00:41:15,439 CONTINUE STOKING HIS FIRE. SPAIN'S CARLOS ALCARAZ, THE ONLY PLAYER TO BEAT HIM AS A MAJOR THIS YEAR. 301 00:41:15,506 --> 00:41:21,245 >> HE IS AS COMPLETE OF A PLAYER AS I HAVE SEEN IN AGES. >> IT WAS A DISAPPOINTING DAY FOR YOU? 302 00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:29,486 BUT IN A WAY, THIS WAS ENERGIZING THAT YOU HAD THIS YOUNG CHALLENGER? >> YES. 303 00:41:29,553 --> 00:41:34,725 ABSOLUTELY IT WAS. YOU ARE RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH THAT I NEEDED TO WIN EVERYTHING ON 304 00:41:34,792 --> 00:41:47,004 AMERICAN SOIL, WHICH I DID. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO REINVENT MYSELF AND REALLY PUSH HARDER THAN I EVER DID. 305 00:41:53,611 --> 00:42:01,952 >> I REALLY BELONG HERE. I BELONG AT THE TOP OF MEN'S TENNIS. HEALTHCARE. 306 00:42:02,019 --> 00:42:12,930 THERE FOR WHAT MATTERS. >> TONIGHT, AS THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE SLIPS DEEPER INTO THE DARKEST DAYS OF THE YEAR, 307 00:42:12,997 --> 00:42:21,405 CHRISTIANS OBSERVE THE SECOND SUNDAY OF THE ADVENT SEASON. JEWS CELEBRATE THE FOURTHHANUKK. BOTH ARE MARKED BY LIGHTING 308 00:42:21,472 --> 00:42:26,844 CANDLES AGAINST THE ONCOMING DARK. A TIME OF WATCHFUL WAITING AND ANTICIPATION AND OVERCOMING 309 00:42:26,911 --> 00:42:33,384 OPPRESSION. THIS YEAR IN PARTICULAR, THE DARKNESS SEEMS DEEPER. IT'S VISIBLE ON THE FACES OF 310 00:42:33,450 --> 00:42:43,060 INNOCENT CITIZENS IN UKRAINE, GAZA, ISRAEL, AND OTHER PLACES ON THE GLOBE. IN THESE DARKENING DAYS, 311 00:42:43,127 --> 00:42:49,800 LIGHTING A CANDLE OR SEVERAL CANDLES MAY BE MORE THAN A SYMBOL OF BRIGHTER DAYS TO COME. IT MAY BE AN ACT OF FAITH IN AN 312 00:42:49,867 --> 00:42:54,471 UNCERTAIN FUTURE. I'M JON WERTHEIM.