♪ [ TICKING ] >>> WHAT LED UP TO THIS PICTURE OF AN ISRAELI MOTHER AND HER
3-YEAR-OLD BEING REUNITED? AN UNIMAGINABLE 54 DAYS OF BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY HAMAS. >> WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO DO THE
INTERVIEW? >> MY SISTER-IN-LAW CARMEL AND A BUNCH OF OTHER HOSTAGES ARE STILL IN GAZA, AND IF WE CAN DO
ANYTHING TO HELP THAT WE WILL. [ TICKING ] >>> FOR YEARS, "60 MINUTES" HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING THE THEFT, OF
THOUSAND OF GOLD AND RELIGIOUS ARTIFACTS LEAVING EMPTY PEDESTALS WHERE GODS AND DEITIES ONCE STOOD.
WE FOUND SOME OF THEM ON DISPLAY AT THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART. HOW DID THESE LOOTED TREASURES
GET HERE AND WILL THEY EVER BE RETURNED? >> WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF RETURNING A NUMBER OF THEM.
>> ALL OF THEM? >> THAT I CAN'T SAY. >>> I'M LESLIE STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARON ALFONSI. >> I'M JOHN WORTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THIS SPECIAL 90-MINUTE EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."
TRAGEDY AFTER THE NEXT SINCE HAMAS' KILLING AND KIDNAPPING ATTACK OF ISRAELIS TEN WEEKS AGO.
THREE HOSTAGES WERE ACCIDENTALLY KILLED BY ISRAELI FORCES EVEN THOUGH THEY NOW KNOW THEY WERE WAVING A WHITE FLAG.
THIS AS THE ARMY'S POUNDING OF GAZA CONTINUES UNABATED. AS MUCH AS 90% OF THE POPULATION HAS BEEN DISPLACED AND THE DEATH
TOLL KEEPS RISING. ABOUT A HUNDRED ISRAELI HOSTAGES HAVE BEEN RELEASED, MOSTLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN, BUT AS MANY AS 130
REMAIN IN CAPTIVITY, AN OPEN WOUND IN ISRAEL WHERE WE WENT THIS PAST WEEK AND SPOKE TO ONE OF THE HOSTAGES WHO WAS FREED
AFRA ARE AFTER 54 DAYS. YARDEN ROMAN-GAT, SHE AND HER HUSBAND ALON GAT WERE ABDUCTED AT A KIBBUTZ NEAR THE GAZA
BORDER. ALON TOOK US TO THE RUBBLE THAT WAS HIS PARENTS' HOME IN BE'ERI. >> THIS IS THE ENTRANCE.
>> ON OCTOBER 7th, HE, HIS WIFE YARDEN AND THEIR 3-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER GEFFEN WERE VISITING HIS FOLKS WHEN HAMAS STORMED THE
KIBBUTZ GATE, BROKE INTO THEIR HOME -- DRAGGED OUT HIS MOTHER AND SHOT HER. HIS SISTER CARMEL DISAPPEARED
AND THE HAMAS FIGHTERS SHOVED THE THREE OF THEM INTO A CAR AND TOOK OFF. >> AND THEY ARE TAKING US INTO
GAZA. >> YOU WERE DRIVING ALONG THERE IN THE CAR? >> YEAH.
>> THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THEY DROVE THE CAR TO AND THERE IS A SMALL ARMY POST OVER THERE AND THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE THEY
STOPPED THE CAR BECAUSE THERE WAS A TANK PASSING. THE TERRORISTS WENT OUT OF THE CAR TO HIDE IN THE TREES.
>> HE AND YARDEN SEIZED THE MOMENT. >> AND WE JUST JUMPED OFF BOTH SIDES AND STARTED RUNNING.
>> YOU HAD GEFFEN? >> I HAD GEFFEN ON ME. I'M NOT A GOOD RUNNER, AND RUNNING WITH A 12 KILOGRAMS OF
MY BABY, THE BEST ODDS IS THAT ALON WOULD TAKE HER AND HE'S A VERY GOOD RUNNER. I JUST PASSED HER ON.
IT WAS A NO-BRAINER. IT WAS HER BEST CHANCES. >> YOU PASSED YOUR CHILD ALONG TO ALON.
>> YEAH. >> SO I TOOK GEFFEN AND I RUN IN FRONT. WE STARTED TO HEAR THE
TERRORISTS SHOOTING AT US, SO WE ARE HEARING BULLETS WHISTLING NEXT TO US ON MY BOTH SIDES REALLY CLOSE BY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT DISTANCE OF ME. >> AND YOU'RE CARRYING -- >> I'M WITH GEFFEN, AND I FOUND
A SMALL CRACK IN THE GROUND. >> LIKE A SMALL DITCH. >> YES. >> AND I PUT GEFFEN DOWN ON THE
GROUND AND I WAS ON HER LYING THERE WITH GEFFEN TRYING TO KEEP HER QUIET. >> AND ALL THIS TIME YOU STILL
DON'T KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO YOUR WIFE? >> IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT.
SHOULD I GO WITH GEFFEN AND SEARCH FOR YARDEN? IS YARDEN, IS SHE WOUNDED? IS SHE HURT?
I THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AND I SAID NO, I HAVE ONE MISSION NOW AND THIS IS TO SAVE GEFFEN.
>> HOW LONG WERE YOU IN THE DITCH? >> FROM 11:30 A.M. TO AROUND 8:00 P.M.
>> NINE HOURS? >> ABOUT, AND GEFFEN WAS AMAZING. SHE DIDN'T CRY ABOUT FOOD OR
WATER ONCE. SHE TOLD ME, DADDY, IT'S A SHAME WE DIDN'T BRING WATER. >> HOURS EARLIER YARDEN, TOO
EXHAUSTED TO KEEP RUNNING FELL TO THE GROUND AS HER CAPTORS CLOSED IN. >> I PLAYED DEAD, BUT HOLDING MY
BREATH WAS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE SO THEY SAID NO, SHE'S NOT DEAD. THERE'S NO BLOOD. SO PICK HER UP, AND THEY GRABBED
MY ARMS AND STARTED DRAGGING ME ON THE GROUND BACK TO THE CAR. I WAS IN PAJ PAJAMAAS AND THEY D TO SWIP OFF MY BODY AND IT WAS
ONE OF THE MOST FRIGHTENING MOMENTS BECAUSE MY THOUGHTS WERE EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT INTENTION, NOW THEY MIGHT HAVE,
AND I'M HALF NAKED SO -- >> YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT RAPE? >> YEAH. I WAS WORRIED TO GET RAPED.
>> YEAH. OF COURSE. >> FORTUNATELY ENOUGH, THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
THE GOAL WAS GET ME INTO GAZA. >> LIKE OTHER HOSTAGES, SHE WAS DRIVEN INTO GAZA THROUGH THICK CROWDS CELEBRATING.
>> MY KIDNAPPERS COULD NOT HELP THEMSELVES, SHOWING ME OFF AS A TROPHY AND SHOWING MY FACE AS AN OBJECT.
I WAS NOT A PERSON. >> THE WINDOWS WERE UP, RIGHT? NO ONE COULD REACH -- >> NO.
THEY WERE NOT UP. THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND AND AS WE -- >> YELLING AND --
>> YEAH. PARTYING. >> AFTER SIMILAR GAUNTLETS OF TERROR, MANY OTHER HOSTAGES WERE
TAKEN DOWN INTO THE DARK, AIRLESS TUNNELS. YARDEN WAS NEVER UNDER GROUND. >> AND WHERE DID THEY TAKE YOU?
>> EVENTUALLY WE GOT TO A HOUSE. I WAS ALONE, BUT I WAS NEVER ALONE BECAUSE I HAD MY GUARDIAN --
>> GUARDS? >> GUARDS WITH ME 24/7 FROM THE SECOND I GOT TO GAZA TO THE SECOND I LEFT.
>> WERE THEY MEN OR WOMEN OR BOTH OR -- >> ONLY MEN. >> ONLY MEN.
>> YOU CANNOT OBJECT TO ANYTHING. IT COULD COST YOU YOUR LIFE. >> SHE WAS GIVEN A HIJAB THAT
COVERED MOST OF HER BODY. >> I GOT THE VERY STRONG FEELING, THIS IS MY -- THAT FABRIC IS MY ONLY PROTECTION
THAT -- I DON'T KNOW ITS EFFECTIVENESS, BUT IT WAS THE ONLY THING I GOT. >> YOU COULD FEEL HIDDEN A
LITTLE BIT BEHIND THAT, FORMLESS -- >> THE WORD "HIDDEN" HAS NO PLACE.
I WAS WATCHED AND SEEN AT ALL TIMES. I WAS NOT HIDDEN, NOT FOR A MOMENT.
THEY COULD DO ANYTHING TO ME. >> YOU WERE HELPLESS. >> I WAS HELPLESS. >> DID YOU TRY TO ENGAGE THEM SO
THEY WOULD SEE YOU AS A HUMAN? >> I AM TRYING TO MAKE THEM CARE. >> DID IT WORK?
DO YOU THINK THEY BEGAN TO WANT TO PROTECT YOU? >> THEY DID NOT WANT TO PROTECT ME.
THEY WANTED TO GUARD THEIR TROPHY, BUT I DO THINK I MANAGED TO MAKE THEM CARE -- I DON'T KNOW, ON SOME LEVELS, AND I DO
THINK IT HELPED ME SURVIVE. >> DO YOU THINK THAT AT SOME LEVEL YOU JUST SHUT DOWN? YOU KNOW, ALMOST AS IF IT WAS
HAPPENING TO ANOTHER PERSON? >> NO. IT WAS HAPPENING TO ME. >> THERE ARE DETAILS ABOUT HER
CAPTIVITY THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE WITH US. >> DID THEY FEED YOU? CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?
>> YEAH -- NO. SHE LIVED WITH PERSISTENT ANXIETY OVER THE FATE OF ALON AND GEFFEN.
THEN THREE WEEKS IN, BECAUSE SHE COULD OCCASIONALLY OVERHEAR NEWS ON A RADIO, SHE HAPPENED TO CATCH ONE OF ALON'S COUSINS
SPEAKING. >> AND HE MENTIONED, BY THE WAY, THE FACT THAT I AM I AND CARMEL MY SISTER IN LAW HELD IN GAZA.
>> YOU HEARD NAME MENTIONED ON RADIO. >> YEAH, BUT I DID NOT HEAR ALON AND GEFFEN, BUT I CAN PRETTY
MUCH ASSUME THEY WERE FINE. >> ALONG WITH HER HUSBAND AND CHILD, SHE WAS TORMENTED ABOUT CARMEL BECAUSE OF THE ALMOST
CONSTANT EXPLOSIONS OF THE ISRAELI BOMBS LEVELING NEIGHBORHOODS ALL ACROSS GAZA. >> WERE YOU AFRAID THAT THAT WAS
GOING TO KILL YOU? >> YES. IT'S A VERY FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE TO BE ON A WAR ZONE.
YOU CANNOT IGNORE IT. IT'S VERY INTENSE. >> MEANWHILE IN ISRAEL THERE WAS A GROWING "BRING THEM HOME NOW"
MOVEMENT TO PRESSURE THE GOVERNMENT TO PRIORITIZE THE HOSTAGES. >> BRING THEM BACK HOME NOW.
>> NOW! NOW! NOW! >> POSTERS OF THE HOSTAGES ARE
EVERYWHERE. THIS IS ROMI GONEN WHO WAS SHOT AND KIDNAPPED. FOR HER MOTHER, MEIRAV, IT'S
OCTOBER 7th EVERY DAY. >> THEY'RE NOT FED. THEY ARE STARVED. WE KNOW ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT
OF THE WOMEN THAT LEFT THERE AND OF THE MEN ALSO. THEY'RE TREATED WITH CRUELTY, THE ONES THAT STAYED THERE AND
IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TIME. >> YARDEN'S FAMILY WAGED THEIR OWN CAMPAIGN SETTING UP A WAR
ROOM TO GET HER AND CARMEL FREED, EVEN TRAVELING TO WASHINGTON FOR HELP. EVENTUALLY ALL THE PRESSURE PAID
OFF. LAST MONTH ISRAEL AGREED TO CEASE THE BOMBING AND FREE SOME PALESTINIAN PRISONERS AND HAMAS
ISSUED A DAILY LIST OF HOSTAGES IT WOULD FREE THE NEXT DAY. >> EVERY DAY, MOSTLY AT NIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WE WOULD
GET A PHONE CALL OF WHETHER WE ARE ON OR OFF THE LIST. >> YARDEN'S BROTHER GILI. >> THE WAY IT PLAYED OUT WAS
HAMAS WOULD ANNOUNCE WHO'S COMING OUT TOMORROW. >> THAT WAS THE TWISTED REALITY SHOW THAT WE LIVED IN.
YES, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. >> ONCE THE HOSTAGE RELEASES STARTED, THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WAS GLUED TO TELEVISION AS EACH
TRANSFER WAS COVERED LIVE, BUT FOR FIVE EXCRUCIATING DAYS NEITHER YARDEN NOR CARMEL WERE ON THE LIST THEN CAME DAY SIX OF
THE CEASEFIRE. AFTER 54 DAYS, YARDEN'S CAPTORS TOLD HER YOU'RE GETTING OUT. >> THEY WONDERED WHY AREN'T I
HAPPY? THEY ALMOST DEMANDED IT. BE HAPPY! BE HAPPY ALREADY!
YOU'RE GOING HOME! >> SOME OF THE HOSTAGES WERE GIVEN DRUGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY LOOKED HAPPY, WELL TREATED.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE. >> NO. >> ON THE NIGHT OF HER RELEASE, HER FAMILY, THE ENTIRE WAR ROOM
GATHERED AROUND A TELEVISION AND AS SHE CROSSED OUT OF GAZA -- >> OH, MY GOD! ESCORTED BY HER CAPTORS!
YARDEN WAS HANDED OVER TO THE RED CROSS AND TRANSPORTED TO ISRAEL. >> I WOKE UP GEFFEN AROUND 2:00
IN THE MORNING. I WOKE HER, AND I TOLD HER WE FOUND MOMMY. WE FOUND MOMMY AND SHE'S COMING
BACK. >> MOMMY! >> THE REUNION, THE EMBRACE TOOK PLACE AT A HOSPITAL.
THE FIRST STOP FOR ALL OF THE RELEASED HOSTAGES. THE LAST TIME YARDEN HAD SEEN HER DAUGHTER WAS 54 DAYS EARLIER
WHEN SHE HANDED HER OVER TO ALON. >> SO IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG SINCE SHE CAME HOME.
IS SHE STILL THE SAME PERSON? >> YEAH. >> SHE IS? >> I THINK SHE IS.
YEAH. >> ARE YOU THE SAME PERSON? >> NO. I'M A DIFFERENT PERSON.
I'M TEARING APART BETWEEN FINDING MORE CARMEL. MY MOTHER WAS MURDERED. ALSO, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO
MOURN ON THAT. I WAS DISCONNECTED EMOTIONALLY, AND I THINK STILL I AM. >> ALON'S OLD KIBBUTZ IS NOW
ROWS AND ROWS OF BURNED-OUT HOUSES. >> THIS IS GIVE EFFEN'S SWING. >> WITH PAINFUL REMINDERS.
THE DAY AFTER YARDEN WAS RELEASED EVERYONE THOUGHT HER SISTER CARMEL WOULD FOLLOW. >> THE WHOLE DAY I KEPT MYSELF
EXPECTING CARMEL. I WAS ALMOST SURE SHE'S -- >> OH, DEAR. I'M SORRY.
>> THE CEASEFIRE UNRAVELLED AND NO MORE HOSTAGES HAVE COME OUT SINCE.
THE FAMILY WAR ROOM IS STILL OPERATING, NOW FOCUSED ON CARMEL. >> AND NOW YOU ARE PART OF THE
WAR ROOM. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO DO THE INTERVIEW?
>> MY SISTER-IN-LAW CARMEL AND A BUNCH OF OTHER HOSTAGES ARE STILL IN GAZA, AND IT'S WRONG, AND WE HAVE TO STOP IT AND IF WE
CAN DO ANYTHING TO HELP THAT WE WILL. [ TICKING ] >>> A MOTHER STILL WAITING FOR
HER DAUGHTER TO RETURN. >> IS THERE ANY FEAR THAT TIME IS RUNNING OUT? >> YES.
>> AT >>> THE THEFT OF CAMBODIA'S CULTURAL TREASURES, THOUSANDS OF SACRED STONE, BRONZE AND GOLD
ARTIFACTS FROM RELIGIOUS SITES ACROSS THE COUNTRY MIGHT JUST BE THE GREATEST ART HEIST IN HISTORY.
IT BEGAN NEARLY A CENTURY AGO WHEN CAMBODIA WAS COLONIZED BY FRANCE, BUT IN THE 1970s, '80s AND '90s AMIDST GENOCIDE, CIVIL
WAR AND POLITICAL TURMOIL THE LOOTING BECAME A GLOBAL BUSINESS MUCH UOF IT RUN BY A MAN NAMED DOUGLAS LATCHFORD.
HE KEPT MUCH FOR HIMSELF AND HE THEN SOLD TO WEALTHY PRIVATE COLLECTORS AND SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MUSEUMS AROUND THE
WORLD. CAMBODIA HAS BEEN TRYING TO SPEND THE LAST TEN YEARS TRYING TO TRACK IT ALL DOWN AND NOW
THEY WANT THEIR HISTORY AND HERITAGE BROUGHT HOME. ANGKOR WAT WITH ITS TOWERING SPIRES IS THE GLORY OF CAMBODIA.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY AND RELIGIOUS TEMPLES IN THE WORLD SPRAWLING ACRES AND HONORING THE GOD
VISHNU AND REMAINS A PLACE OF WORSHIP TODAY. YOU CAN WANDER HERE FOR WEEKS LOST IN CORRIDORS AND CHAMBERS.
LOOTERS HAVE HACKED OFF THE HEADS OF MANY STATUES, THEY'VE STOLEN BODIES, AS WELL. EMPTY PEDESTALS WHERE GODS AND
DEITIES ONCE STOOD. ON SOME ONLY THE FEET REMAIN. IT'S WORSE IN THE REST OF CAMBODIA'S 4,000 TEMPLES, NEARLY
ALL HAVE BEEN LOOTED. THIS ONE IS A HUNDRED MILES NORTHEAST OF ANGKOR WAT ON A REMOTE ISLAND CALLED SANDWATT.
>> THEY FOUND GOLD. THEY FOUND STATUES AND THEY FOUND MANY, MANY THINGS. >> THAT'S BRAD GORDON, AN
AMERICAN LAWYER WHO HAS BEEN WORKING FOR THE CAMBODIAN GOVERNMENT FOR TEN YEARS TRACKING DOWN ITS STOLEN
TREASURES. HE BROUGHT US TO SANDAK WITH HIS TEAM OF INVESTIGATORS, ARCHAEOLOGISTS AND ART SCHOLARS.
>> THIS IS SO COOL. >> IN THE TEMPLE'S CRUMBLING COURTYARD LITTLE REMAIN, MOSTLY EMPTY PEDESTALS SCATTERED
THROUGHOUT THE TREES. >> IT'S REMARKABLE HOW MUCH STUFF IS JUST SCATTERED ON THE GROUND.
? YES. IT'S LIKE A PEDESTAL GRAVEYARD. >> WE'VE ALL SEEN IN MUSEUMS
THESE STATUES WITH NO FEET ON THEM, AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THE FEET WERE HACKED OFF BECAUSE IN ORDER TO STEAL THEM
THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THEM OFF THE PEDESTAL. >> WE KNOW WHEN THE LOOTERS CAME TO SITES LIKE THIS.
THE FIRST THING THEY TOOK WAS THE HEADS. THAT WAS THE EASIEST TO GRAB AND THEN LATER ON THEY'D COME BACK
AND GET THE TORSO, BUT THEY WERE NOT VERY CAREFUL SO THEY LEFT BEHIND PIECES. [ BELL TOLLING ]
>>> FOR CAMBODIANS, THESE STATUES ARE NOT JUST WORKS OF ART, THEY ARE SACRED DEITIES. THEY HOLD THE SOULS OF THEIR
ANCESTORS TO WHOM THEY ASK FOR GUIDANCE AND PRAY. >> THIS IS INCREDIBLE. THESE WERE ALL LOOTED?
>> YES. LOOTED. >> ALL OF THESE HEADS CUT OFF? >> YES.
>> FOR PHOEURNG SACKONA IS TRACKING DOWN THEIR STOLEN GODS. WE MET HER IN A CLOSELY GUARDED WAREHOUSE NOT FAR FROM ANGKOR
WAT WHERE MORE THAN 6,000 PIECES FROM TEMPLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE STORED FOR SAFEKEEPING. EACH ONE SCULPTED BY AN ARTISAN
FROM AN ANCIENT KHMER EMPIRE THAT LASTED FOR MORE THAN FIVE CENTURIES AND SPANNED CAMBODIA, LAOS, THAILAND AND VIETNAM.
>> SO THE STATUES HAVE A SOUL. THE STATUES, ARE THEY LIVING? >> OF COURSE. YES.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN TALK WITH THEM. THEY WILL HEAR. THEY WILL SEE, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
WHAT DO YOU SEE? WHAT DO YOU DO IN YOUR LIFE? IN YOUR HOME, OUTSIDE IN THE SOCIETY ALSO.
>> THEY'RE WATCHING. >> THEY'RE WATCHING EVERYWHERE. >> PHOEURNG SACKONA'S ENTIRE FAMILY WAS KILLED IN THE
GENOCIDE THAT BEGAN IN 1975 WHEN THE KHMER ROUGE A RADICAL COMMUNIST GROUP TOOK OVER FORCING MILLIONS OF CAMBODIANS
INTO LABOR CAMPS. SOME 2 MILLION PEOPLE, NEARLY A QUARTER OF THE POPULATION, WERE SLAUGHTERED OR STARVED TO DEATH.
THE KHMER ROUGE LOST POWER IN 1979, BUT FIGHTING AND INSTABILITY CONTINUED FOR DECADES, LEAVING CAMBODIA'S
TEMPLES UNPROTECTED AND VULNERABLE, EASY TARGETS FOR UNSCRUPULOUS ANTIQUITIES DEALERS LIKE DOUGLAS LATCHFORD?
>> WHO WAS DOUGLAS LATCHFORD? >> I WOULD SAY HE IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND THE GREATEST ART HEIST IN HISTORY.
>> THE GREATEST ART HEIST IN HISTORY? >> YES, IN TERMS OF MULTITUDE OF CRIME SITES AND THE ENORMOUS
AMOUNTS OF STATUES THAT WERE TAKEN OUT. >> LATCHFORD LIVED IN THAILAND, AN ENIGMATIC BRITISH BUSINESSMAN
HE BEGAN COLLECTING IN THE 1960s. HE HAD, IT SEEMS, TWO GREAT LOVES, CAMBODIAN ANTIQUITIES
AND -- ♪ ♪ >> HIGH BODY BUILDER, HE
SPONSORED THE BODYBUILDING COMPETITION, THE LATCHFORD CLASSIC. >> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE HIM?
? HE WAS EXTREMELY DECEPTIVE, IN MANY WAYS WAS RUTHLESS, BUT HE HID THAT BEHIND THIS INCREDIBLE
FACADE OF CHARM? LATCHFORD PORTRAYED HIMSELF AS A SCHOLAR AND PROTECTOR OF CAMBODIA'S CULTURE, A REPUTATION
HE BURNISHED BY DONATING SCULPTURES TO THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART IN NEW YORK AND OTHER PRESTIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS.
HE ALSO PUBLISHED THREE BOOKS FILLED WITH THE FINEST EXAMPLES OF CAMBODIAN ANTIQUITIES, MANY OF THEM, IT TURNS OUT, HE'D
STOLEN. >> HE WAS USING THEM TO SELL PIECES AND HE UNDERSTOOD A CERTAIN PSYCHOLOGY OF COLLECTORS
OUT THERE THAT IF THEY SEE SOMETHING IN A BEAUTIFUL BOOK THEY THINK IT'S LEGITIMATE. >> THOSE BOOKS HAVE BEEN AN
INVALUABLE GUIDE FOR BRAD GORDON AND HIS TEAM HELPING THEM COMPILE A DATABASE OF THOUSANDS OF MISSING ARTIFACTS, MANY OF
WHICH THEY DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED UNTIL LATCHFORD PUBLISHED PHOTOS OF THEM. GORDON'S TEAM GOT THEIR BIG
BREAK WHEN THEY MET THIS MAN IN 2012. HE WAS A FORMER KHMER ROUGE CHILD SOLDIER AND LEADER OF A
GANG OF LOOTERS. HIS NAME WAS DUCK. >> I KNEW HE WAS IMPORTANT AND MANY WERE TELLING ME HE WAS THE
BEST AND HE WAS FEARED. >> WHY WERE PEOPLE AFRAID OF HIM? >> OVER THE YEARS HE HAD KILLED
MANY PEOPLE. >> IT TURNED OUT HE WORKED FOR DECADES APPLYING DOUGLAS LATCHFORD WITH DOZENS OF
TREASURES AND HE WAS AMAZED TO SEE THEM AGAIN IN LATCHFORD'S BOOKS. >> HE KEPT GOING THROUGH THE
FRONT COVER AND GOING THROUGH AND TAPPING AND SAYING I KNOW THIS ONE, I KNOW THIS ONE, I KNOW THIS ONE.
>> WHEN HE SAYS HE KNEW THIS ONE MEANT HE HELPED LOOT THOSE ONES? >> THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED LATER, YEAH.
>> DAE DUCK BECAME A KEY CONFIDENTIAL SOURCE FOR GORDON'S TEAM. THEY GAVE HIM A CODE NAME, LION
TO PROTECT HIS IDENTITY AND FOLLOWED HIM TO DOZENS OF TEMPS WHERE HE CONFESSED WHAT HE FOUND AND HOW HE'D STOLEN THEM.
>> HE WOULD SAY TO US I'M GOING TO TRANSFER EVERYTHING IN MY HEAD TO YOU, I'LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING.
EVERY SECRET. >> YOU FELT HIS MEMORY WAS VERY GOOD? IT WAS ACCURATE?
>> IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HE REMEMBERED THE SIZE OF EVERYTHING MEASURED AGAINST HIS BODY.
HE WOULD SHOW HOW BIG A STATUE WAS. >> WHY DO YOU THINK HE WANTED TO COOPERATE?
>> HE FELT TREMENDOUSLY GUILTY ABOUT MANY THINGS HE'D DONE IN HIS LIFE, ABOUT THE KILLING, ABOUT THE LOOTING, AND WE
OFFERED HIM A ROAD TO REDEMPTION, A WAY TO DO SOMETHING REALLY GOOD AT THE END OF HIS LIFE.
>> THEY RECORDED HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF LION'S TESTIMONY. HE EXPLAINED HOW GANGS OF LOOTERS WOULD SPEND WEEKS IN
REMOTE TEMPLES USING SHOVELS, CHISELS, METAL DETECTORS AND DYNAMITE TO FIND AND DIG OUT TREASURES.
DOZENS OF MEN WOULD HOIST HEAVY STONE STATUES ON TO OX CARTS BEFORE TRANSPORTING THEM ACROSS THE BORDER INTO THAILAND AND
INTO THE HANDS OF DOUGLAS LATCHFORD. LION NEVER MET LATCHFORD, BUT HE'D SENT HIM PHOTOGRAPHS OF
ARTIFACTS HE COULD CHOOSE FROM. >> WE HEARD FROM HIM SAYING WE'D HAVE TO A TEMPLE TO TAKE A PHOTO AND SEND THEM BACK.
MY SENSE WAS HE WAS SHOPPING. HE HAD A LIST. LOOTERS KNEW HIS PRIORITIES. >> LIKE THESE THAT CAME FROM A
TEMPLE CALLED KOKE. THE STATUES HAD A DISTINCTIVE STYLE THAT LATCHFORD LOVED. IT WAS, HOWEVER, A DANGEROUS
BUSINESS. MOST LOOTERS MADE ENOUGH TO BUY FOOD FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FIGHTING BETWEEN GANGS WAS
COMMON. >> PEOPLE WERE KILLED OVER THESE ANTIQUITIES. DO YOU LOOK AT THESE AS BLOOD
STATUES? >> FOR SURE. THEY'RE BLOOD ANTIQUITIES. WHENEVER I SEE A STATUE I THINK
WHO DIED TO GET THIS OUT OF THE GROUND OR GET IT OUT OF A TEMPLE AND TO MOVE IT HERE? SO MUCH OF THIS LOOTING WAS DONE
IN THE SHADOW OF THE WAR AND SHADOW OF THE GENOCIDE. >> IT WAS THIS 500-POUND SANDSTONE WARRIOR FROM K KOH KER
THAT PUT DOUGLAS LATCHFORD ON THE RADAR OF U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT. ITS FEET WERE MISSING AND A
PRICE TAG AN ESTIMATED $2 TO $3 MILLION. >> WHEN IT APPEARED IN THE MARKET THERE WERE A NUMBER OF
ARCHAEOLOGISTS AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED THAT THE SOURCE OF THE STATUE OF BEING A SPECIFIC
TEMPLE IN CAMBODIA. >> IT CAME FROM KOH KER. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> UNTIL HE RETIRED J.P. LABBAT
WAS A SPECIAL AGENT ON THE ART AND ANTIQUITIES UNIT WITH HOMELAND SECURITY. >> A TEAM FROM THE U.S.
ATTORNEYS OFFICE AT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK TRAVELED TO CAMBODIA TO INSPECT THE SITE WHERE THE STATUE HAD BEEN
REMOVED, AND SO THE BASE WAS STILL THERE WITH IT, WITH THE FEET STILL IN THE GROUND AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO MATCH THAT
BASE AND FEET TO THE STATUE. >> AND THAT WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO GET THE STATUE PULLED OFF THE MARKET?
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AFTER YEARS OF LEGAL WRANGLING, SOTHEBY'S FINALLY AGREED TO SEND THIS STOLEN
WARRIOR BACK TO CAMBODIA. A CEREMONY WAS HELD WELCOMING IT HOME AND INVESTIGATORS WERE ABLE TO TRACE ITS ORIGINAL SALE BACK
TO DOUGLAS LATCHFORD WASES WHO ASKED ABOUT REPATRIATION IN A GERMAN DOCUMENTARY IN 2018. >> IS IT A GOOD DAY FOR CAMBODIA
OR A GOOD DAY FOR THE ART MARKET THESE TO COME BACK. >> IT'S A GOOD DAY FOR CAMBODIA, AND A BAD DAY FOR THE ART
MARKET. >> THEIR IMAGINATION HAS GONE WILD. THEY'VE SEEN TOO MANY INDIANA
JONES FILMS. AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SMUGGLING NETWORK, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T
BELONG TO ANY SMUGGLING NETWORK. >> THE ATTEMPTED SALE OF THIS STATUE IN 2011, WAS THAT A TURNING POINT IN THE UNRAVELING
OF DOUGLAS LATCHFORD? >> I WOULD SAY YES. THAT CASE PUT MORE OF A FOCUS AND A SPOTLIGHT ON HIM AND
EFFORTS WERE THEN DOUBLED TO, LIKE, REALLY PEEL BACK THE ONION AND LOOK INTO LATCHFORD'S ACTIVITIES.
THE TESTIMONY FORMER LOOTERS FOUND BY BRAD GORDON AND HIS TEAM WAS CRITICAL FOR THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S CASE AGAINST
LATCHFORD. >> HOW RARE IS IT TO ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE LOOTERS? TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY STOLE
THESE THINGS TEN, 20, 30 YEARS AGO. >> I KNOW OF NO OTHER CASE WHERE THAT HAPPENED AND IT'S QUITE
REMARKABLE TO HAVE LOOTERS ACTIVELY ASSISTING A TEAM OF INVESTIGATORS TO RECOVER ARTIFACTS THAT THEY HAD
FIRSTHAND IN HELPING REMOVE FROM THE COUNTRY. >> DOUGLAS LATCHFORD WAS FINALLY INDICTED BY U.S. AUTHORITIES IN
2019 FOR SMUGGLING, CONSPIRACY, WIRE FRAUD AND OTHER CHARGES, BUT HE DIED BEFORE HE COULD BE PUT ON TRIAL.
BRAD GORDON CONVINCED LATCHFORD'S FAMILY TO RETURN THE STOLEN TREASURES. AMONG THE FIRST PIECES TO COME
HOME IN 2021 WAS THIS STATUE FROM KOH KER. LION, WEAKENED BY CANCER, CAME TO INSPECT IT IN CAMBODIA'S
NATIONAL MUSEUM TO VERIFY IT WAS THE SAME ONE HE'D DUG OUT OF THE GROUND. >> AND THEN HE TURNED TO ME AND
HE SAID, IT'S THE REAL STATUE. IT WAS A REMARKABLE THING TO WATCH, AND JUST HIS -- HIS RELATIONSHIP.
IT WAS LIVING TO HIM. >> DO YOU THINK HE WAS HAPPY IT WAS BACK? >> THRILLED.
SO HAPPY. HE KNEW THAT HE HAD DONE SOMETHING GOOD. >> LION DIED A FEW MONTHS LATER,
BUT THE SECRETS HE REVEALED CONTINUE TO BRING STATUES BACK TO CAMBODIA'S NATIONAL MUSEUM. MASTERPIECES THAT LEFT THE
COUNTRY LONG BEFORE THESE SCHOOLCHILDREN WERE BORN. >> DOES THE RETURN OF THESE STATUES, THESE GODS HELP THEM TO
HEAL? >> YES. TO GET BACK THE SOUL OF THE NATION.
>> THE SOUL OF THE NATION. >> IT'S NOT ONLY FOR ME, BUT MY FAMILY WHO WAS DYING IN THE WAR AND FOR ALL CAMBODIAN PEOPLE.
>> THERE ARE STILL MANY MORE STOLEN CAMBODIAN STATUES AND ARTIFACTS IN MUSEUMS AND PRIVATE COLLECTIONS AROUND THE WORLD.
WHEN WE RETURN, CAMBODIA'S FIGHT TO GET THOSE LOOTED RELICS BACK.
[ TICKING ] >>> IT'S TAKEN A TEAM OF CAMBODIAN INVESTIGATORS LED BY BRAD GORDON, AN AMERICAN LAWYER,
MORE THAN TEN YEARS TO DOCUMENT THE THEFT OF THOUSANDS OF ANCIENT STATUES AND RELICS BY A BRITISH COLLECTOR NAMED DOUGLAS
LATCHFORD. THEY'VE MANAGED TO GET SOME OF WHAT HE STOLE BACK, BUT MANY TREASURES ARE STILL OUT THERE
HIDDEN IN THE MANSIONS OF MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES AND HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT ON DISPLAY IN SOME OF THE MOST
PRESTIGIOUS MUSEUMS AROUND THE WORLD. THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART IN NEW YORK HAS SOME OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT CHECKS OF CAMBODIAN ANTIQUITIES IN THE WORLD, BUT MANY OF THE FINEST PIECES ON DISPLAY HERE IN THE SOUTHEAST
ASIAN ART WING ARE STOLEN, LIKE THIS ONE AND THIS ONE. THIS, AS WELL. ALL PASSED THROUGH THE HANDS OF
DOUGLAS LATCHFORD. LATCHFORD SOLD THIS ONE TO THE MET IN THE EARLY 1990s. THIS ONE HE DONATED.
>> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE VISITING THE MET KNOW THAT THESE WERE LOOTED? >> I THINK MOST PEOPLE WALK INTO
THE MET THOSE ARE BLOOD ANTIQUITIES AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HISTORY IS BEHIND THOSE PIECES.
THEY DON'T KNOW THE TEMPLES THEY CAME FROM AND THEY DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO WERE KILLED TO GET THEM HERE.
>> THE DIRT HAS BEEN BRUSHED OFF AND A LITTLE NOTE THAT SAYS WHERE IT CAME FROM. SHOULD PEOPLE BELIEVE WHAT'S ON
THAT LITTLE NOTE? >> NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> LAST MARCH WE WENT WITH BRAD
GORDON TO SEE WHERE IN CAMBODIA THE MET AND OTHER MUSEUM'S COLLECTIONS REALLY DID COME FROM.
>> THIS IS INCREDIBLE. >> THIS SEVEN-STORY PYRAMID IS MORE THAN A THOUSAND YEARS OLD AND RISES OUT OF THE JUNGLE IN
KOH KER IN NORTHEAST CAMBODIA. IT'S ONE OF DOZENS OF TEMPLES IN WHAT WAS ONCE THE ANCIENT KHMER EMPIRE.
>> DOUGLAS LATCHFORD LOVED THE STATUARY. >> IN LOVE WITH THE BEAUTY AND IN LOVE WITH THE ARTISTIC.
>> THE STATUES HERE HAVE A DISTINCTIVE STYLE THAT HE PARTICULARLY LOVED. >> CORRECT.
>> PERHAPS THE MOST DISTINCTIVE STATUES THAT LATCHFORD STOLE FROM COKE WERE NINE STONE WARRIORS A RANGED IN A BATTLE
SCENE. TODAY SEVEN HAVE BEEN RETURNED TO PHNOM PENH INCLUDING THIS 900-POUND SANDSTONE SCULPTURE,
THE ONE SOTHEBY'S TRIED TO SELL IN 20 LERCHE. THEY'RE BACK IN ORIGINAL PEDESTALS AND THEIR ANKLES
REUNITED TO THEIR FEET HACKED OFF IN 1907s. >> NORTON SIMON MUSEUM. >> HE IS THE SECRETARY OF STATE,
AND HE'S WORKING WITH BRAD GORDON TO BRING BACK THE STATUES WHOSE EMPTY PEDESTALS SIT IN THE MUSEUM.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE? >> WE KNOW. >> WE HAVE SEVEN ALREADY AND
ONLY TWO MISSING. >> ONE OF THOSE MISSING SCULPTURES WAS DISCOVERED IN THE GLOSSY PAGES OF ARCHITECTURAL
DIGEST IN 2008. THIS MYTHICAL ARMY COMMANDER AND A STUNNING NUMBER OF OTHER STOLEN WORKS WERE ALTOGETHER IN
A PALM BEACH MANSION OF THE LATE BILLIONAIRE GEORGE LINDEMANN AND HIS WIFE FRAYDA. >> THEY WERE SITTING IN THE
LIVING ROOM OF AN INCREDIBLY WEALTHY FAMILY IN AMERICA ON DISPLAY WHILE PEOPLE ARE HAVING COCKTAILS.
>> THE ONE THING I'M ALSO STRUCK BY IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WITNESSED IT AND HAVE BEEN SILENT AND CONTINUE TO BE SILENT TODAY.
>> THE LINDEMANN AS SPENT AN ESTIMATE DLD 20 MILLION BUILDING THE COLLECTION WITH THE HELP OF DOUGLAS LATCHFORD.
>> FRAYDA LINDEMANN DIDN'T RESPOND TO OUR REQUEST FOR AN INTERVIEW, BUT IN KOH KER WE SHOWED HER HOME TO TWO FORMER
LOOTERS. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS HOUSE? >> IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS TO A KING. THE FORMER LOOTERS POINTED OUT ANOTHER STATUE IN THE LINDEMANN
LIVING ROOM THEY HELPED STEAL. THIS OF VISHNU. IT WAS DUG OUT OF THE GROUND FROM THIS EXACT SPOT IN 1995.
>> YOU'RE 100% SURE THIS WAS TAKEN BY YOU AND OTHERS IN 1995? >> Translator: YEAH. I'M SURE.
>> THEY ALSO IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF OTHER STATUES THEY SAY THEY STOLE THAT APPEAR IN BOOKS PUBLISHED BY DOUGLAS LATCHFORD.
THEY SAID THEY FOUND THIS COPPER STATUE USING A METAL DETECTOR. THEY DUG IT OUT OF THE GROUND HERE IN 1990.
J.P. LABBAT FORMER SPECIAL AGENT WITH HOMELAND SECURITY FOUND IT COVERED IN DIRT ON DOUGLAS LATCHFORD'S COMPUTER.
LATCHFORD SOLD IT TO THE MET IN 1992 AND HERE IT IS STILL ON DISPLAY. >> YOU ARE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO
SOME OF THE E-MAILS? >> YES. AND IN THERE THERE ARE DETAILED STORIES ABOUT THE MANNER IN
WHICH HE OBTAINED PIECES, THE FACT THAT HE WAS HAVING THEM RE-ASSEMBLED AND REPAIRED, THAT DIRT AND CRUSTACEANS WERE BEING
CLEANED OFF OF THEM. >> THEY WERE FRESHLY DUG OUT OF THE GROUND. >> THESE WERE FRESH PIECES THAT
HE WOULD DESCRIBE IN HIS E-MAILS THAT NEEDED A LEVEL OF RESTORATION BEFORE HE COULD EVEN ATTEMPT TO SELL THEM.
>> DOUGLAS LATCH FORFORD WAS INDICTED IN 2015, BUT DIED BEFORE HE COULD BE PUT ON TRIAL AND FEDERAL PROSECUTORS
CONTINUED TRACING HIS LOOTED ARTIFACTS. THEY BELIEVE AT LEAST 18 OF THEM HAVE ENDED UP AT THE MET.
>> I AM VERY INVOLVED --? ANDREA BAYER IS DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR CHECKS AND ADMINISTRATION AT THE MET.
>> THE MET HAS SAID THEY WILL RETURN OBJECTS BASED ON RIGOROUS EVIDENTIARY REVIEW. WHAT RIGOROUS EVIDENTIARY REVIEW
WAS DONE BEFORE ACQUIRING THESE PIECES? >> NOT ENOUGH. >> IT SEEMS LIKE THE MET HAD A
DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL POLICY. THEY WANTED TO BUILD UP THEIR COLLECTIONS AND NOBODY WAS ASKING QUESTIONS WHERE THEY CAME
FROM. >> FOR PEOPLE, MANY PEOPLE IN THE ART WORLD, WAS THERE A SENSE OF PROTECTING GREAT OBJECTS THAT
STOOD A CHANCE AT BEING DESTROYED. WE NO LONGER FEEL ABOUT IT THAT WAY.
>> UNDER PRESSURE TEN YEARS AGO THE MET DID RETURN TWO STATUES CALLED KNEELING ATTENDANCE WHICH HAD BEEN DONATED TO THEM BY
DOUGLAS LATCHFORD. >> IN 2013 WHEN YOU RETURNED THE KNEELING ATTENDANTS, DID YOU RETURN THE OTHER ITEMS THAT
DOUGLAS LATCHFORD HAD BROUGHT TO THE MUSEUM? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I CAN ONLY PICK UP THE STORY SEVERAL YEARS LATER WHEN DOUGLAS LATCHFORD WAS INDICTED IN 2019 WHEN WE IMMEDIATELY AND
PROACTIVELY WENT TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND OFFERED OUR FULL COOPERATION. >> WELL, I CAN PICK UP THE STORY
IN 2013 BECAUSE A SPOKESMAN FOR THE MET SAID THAT NO SPECIAL EFFORT WAS GOING TO BE MADE TO CHECK THE PROVANCES OF ANY OTHER
LATCHFORD DONATED WORK? WHY WOULDN'T THE MET WANT TO LOOK INTO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT DOUGLAS LATCH
DOUGLAS LATCHFORD HAD BROUGHT TO THE MUSEUM IN. >> I CAN'T SPECULATE WHY THAT HAPPENED?
>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE? >> THE MET IS NOT THE ONLY MAJOR MUSEUM WITH LOOTED CAMBODIAN ART CAMBODIANARTIFACTS, BUT ITS
COLLECTION IS THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD. IT WOULD CREATE A RESEARCH TEAM TO HAVE A HISTORY OF ALL ITS
COLLECTIONS. >> IT'S TAKEN TEN YEARS SINCE DOUGLAS LATCHFORD WAS SHOWN TO HAVE GIVEN STOLEN PROPERTY TO
THE MET FOR THE MET TO SET UP THIS PROVANCE TEAM, WHY HAS IT TAKEN TEN YEARS? >> IT WAS A SLOW PROCESS.
I'LL GRANT YOU THAT. IT WAS A SLOW PROCESS, BUT I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT WE ARE FULLY ENGAGED NOW AND FULLY
COOPERATIVE NOW IS OUR ONLY ANSWER TO THIS, REALLY. IT'S A MOMENT OF RECKONING AND WE ARE READY TO DO WHAT IT TAKES
NOW TO RIGHT WHATEVE THE WRONG IS, BUT WE -- >> FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN DOUGLAS LATCHFORD WAS INDICTED BY
PROSECUTORS, DID YOU SET UP A TEAM TO CHECK THE PROVENANCE OF EVERY LATCHFORD WORK? >> ABSOLUTELY.
WE STARTED TO DIG IN RIGHT THEN AND THERE. IT'S NOT EASY. THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE MUCH
INFORMATION HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND -- >> THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION
FOR FEDERAL PROSECUTORS TO CHARGE DOUGLAS LATCHFORD WITH STEALING AND LOOTING AND TRAFFICKING AND SMUGGLED ITEMS.
HOW MUCH MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED? YOU HAVEN'T RETURNED ANY DOUGLAS LATCHFORD RELATED ITEMS SINCE
HE'S BEEN INDICTED AND THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO. >> WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF RETURNING A NUMBER OF THEM.
>> ALL OF THEM? >> THAT I CAN'T SAY. >> THAT INTERVIEW TOOK PLACE IN SEPTEMBER.
TWO DAYS AGO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ANNOUNCED THE MET WOULD RETURN 13 ANTIQUITIES THAT CAME THROUGH DOUGLAS LATCHFORD, BUT THE MET
IS NOT RETURNING THIS STATUE WHICH WAS SPECIFICALLY CITED IN THE INDICTMENT OF LATCHFORD OR THIS ONE WHICH LATCHFORD SOLD TO
THE MET IN 1982. CAMBODIA CALLED THE ANNOUNCEMENT THE FIRST STEP AND LOOKS FORWARD TO THE RETURN OF MANY MORE OF
OUR TREASURES. >> SHOULDN'T MUSEUMS HAVE THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT BUYING THINGS THAT WERE COMING OUT OF
CAMBODIA DURING THE GENOCIDE AND CIVIL WAR AND DECADES OF STRIVE? >> THIS QUESTION THAT YOU RAISE IS REALLY THE CRUX OF WHAT WE'RE
WRESTLING WITH. YOU ACQUIRED PIECES FROM A KNOWN SMUGGLER WHO USED A TEAM OF LOOTERS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS
INTERVIEWED AND TAKEN STATEMENTS FROM. THEY HAVE E-MAILS WHICH REFUTE THE INFORMATION IN YOUR OWN
PROFENNANCE AT THE MUSEUM. YOU HAVE ITEMS IN THE MUSEUM WHICH WERE NAMED IN THE INDICTMENT OF LATCHFORD THAT ARE
STILL THERE AND SO THESE PIECES SHOULD GO BACK. >> THERE'S NO QUESTION. >> IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>> THIS PAST SEPTEMBER THE LINDEMANN FAMILY WHOSE COLLECTION WAS SHOWCASED IN ARCHITECTURAL DIGEST STRUCK A
DEAL WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES VOLUNTARILY AGREEING TO RETURN 33 STOLEN TREASURES. IN A STATEMENT TO "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" THE LINDEMANNS SAID HAVING PURCHASED THESE ITEMS FROM DEALERS WE ASSUMED WERE REPUTABLE WE WERE SADDENED TO
LEARN HOW THEY MADE THEIR WAY TO THE MARKET TO THE UNITED STATES. >> WHY DID THE LINDEMANNS AGREE TO RETURN THE ITEMS TO CAMBODIA?
>> THE PIECES WERE DIRTY. THEY FINALLY CAME AROUND TO THE FACT THAT LATCH FORFORD WAS DIR AND THEIR COLLECTION WAS ALL
STOLEN PIECES. >> WE GOT A PEEK AT WHAT WAS THE LINDEMANN COLLECTION SHORTLY AFTER THE DEAL WAS DONE.
IT WAS SITTING IN A WAREHOUSE IN UPSTATE NEW YORK, A NATION'S LIVING GODS AND ANCESTORS WAITING FOR A RIDE HOME.
>> THIS IS A WHOLE WING OF A MUSEUM. >> A WING OF THE MUSZ YUMS THAT ONLY THE LINDEMANNS AND FRIEND
HIS ACCESS TO. >> IF THE LINDEMANNS HADN'T PUBLISHED THESE IN 2008? >> THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE
NEVER WOULD HAVE FOUND IT. WE ALWAYS SAY THE GODS WANT TO COME HOME. WE FEEL LIKE THE GODS HAVE
SPOKEN TODAY. THEY WANT TO COME HOME. >> AS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CRATES WAS BEING OPENED, WAITING
EAGERLY WAS MUIKONG TAING AND THYDA LONG TWO MEMBERS OF THE TEAM THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST LOOK OF THE ARMY COMMANDER TAKEN
FROM KOH KER AND THEY WERE THE FIRST CAMBODIANS TO LAY EYES ON IT SINCE DOUGLAS LATCHFORD STOLE IT 40 YEARS AGO.
>> HE'S HERE. >> THEY A LOOK ON HIS EYES AND FACE. >> IT'S MUCH BIGGER THAN I
EXPECTED IT TO BE. >> ITS PRESENCE IS EXTRAORDINARY. >> I DID NOT EXPECT TO FEEL THIS
WAY. >> EVEN THE COMMANDER SEEMED TO BE SMILING. >> THEN IT WAS TIME TO SEE THE
RAREST PIECE IN THE LINDEMANNS COLLECTION. >> THEY KNELT IN REVERENCE AS THE VISHNU GOD, DESPITE THE
FUSS, HE APPEARED UNPERTURBED IN A COSMIC SLUMBER. WHEN THE STATUE ARRIVES IN CAMBODIA, IT WILL BE WELCOMED AS
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT EVER RETURNED. >>> THE LAST MINUTE OF 60 MINUTES IS SPONSORED BY UNITED
HEALTHCARE, THERE FOR WHAT MATTERSES. >>> ONCE AGAIN, THIS WEEK THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES"
ISN'T REALLY THE LAST MINUTE OF THE BROADCAST. STICK AROUND, AFTER THE BREAK ON THIS EXTENDED EDITION AS BILL
WHITAKER HEADS FOR MOROCCO TO EXPLORE A MUSICAL TRADITION THAT IS AT ONCE EXOTIC AND EVER SO SLIGHTLY FAMILIAR.
>> THE MOTHER OF ALL BASSES, THE GIMBRI IS MADE FROM WOOD, CAMEL SKIN AND STRUNG WITH GOAT ♪
>>> I'M CECILIA VEGA. WE'LL BE OFF TO THE
>>> MOST PEOPLE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF GNAWA, ORIGINALLY YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO. FOR CENTURIES THE MUSIC WAS ONLY
PLAYED IN SECRET CEREMONIES BY ENSLAVED BLACK AFRICANS BROUGHT TO MOROCCO. GNAWA, AN INDIGENOUS WORD FOR
BLACK PEOPLE, IS MUSIC BORN OF THE SUFFERING OF SLAVERY. FOR MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS, THOSE RHYTHMS ARE FAMILIAR.
WHAT WE KNOW AS THE AMERICN BLUES EVOLVED FROM THIS SWIRL OF ANCIENT AFRICAN AND ISLAMIC RITUALS.
CENTURIES LATER, GNAWA IS EXPLODING IN POPULARITY. TODAY, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MUSIC FANS MAKE THE TREK TO THE
GROUND ZERO OF GNAWA MUSIC, THE ANNUAL FESTIVAL ON E SSAOUIRA O MOROCCO'S COURTS, 480 MUSICIANS, 50 CONCERT, HOW COULD WE SAY NO?
♪ ♪ >> AS THE SUN SET OVER THE MOROCCAN TOWN OF ESSAOUIRA THE
HUGE CROWD GREW MORE IMPATIENT. THEY'VE BEEN WAITING ALL DAY FOR MAALEM HAMID EL KASRI A SUPERSTAR WHOSE PLAYLIST DATES
FROM THE 11th CENTURY. [ CHEERING ] >> EL KASRI'S BACK-UP SINGERS CAME UP FIRST WEARING THE SAME
ORNATE SILK ROADS AND TASSELLED FEZZES THE GNAWANS HAVE WORN FOR YEARS AND THE MASTER MUSICIAN APPEARED AND STRAPPED ON HIS
♪ ♪ ♪ >> THE MOTHER OF ALL BASSES, THE
GIMBRI IS MADE FROM WOOD, CAMEL SKIN AND STRUNG WITH GOAT GUT. ♪ ♪
EL KASRI STARTED SLOWLY, ONE OF MOROCCO'S TOP MAALEMS, HAMID EL KASRI HELPED MAKE GNAWA. SOON HE PICKED UP THE
♪ ♪ >> THE ARABIC LYRICS DATE FROM THE MIDDLE AGES.
AND THIS CROWD KNEW EVERY ♪ ♪ >> THE MUSIC BUILT TO A
♪ ♪ >> IT WAS A PYRAMID OF SOUND. ♪
>> DRIVEN BY THE PULSATING BEAT OF THE KRAKEBS, METAL CASTANETS THAT ARE PLAYED AT ASTONISHING
SPEED. ♪ >> THIS IS THE MUSZ CAL LEGACY OF ENSLAVED BLACK AFRICANS
BROUGHT TO MOROCCO IN MEDIEVAL TIMES, BUT THE STORY DOESN'T END HERE. IT'S MUSIC THAT TRAVELED OUT
INTO THE ATLANTIC FROM THE SLAVE PORTS OF AFRICA AND HELPED GIVE RISE TO THE AMERICAN BLUES. >> THIS WAS A POINT OF
DEPARTURE. IT WAS A PLACE WHERE DRAMATICALLY BLACK AMERICANS HAVE A TIE TO THAT WE DON'T
REALLY KNOW ABOUT. >> ROBERT WISDOM IS AN ACTOR AND A GNAWA SUPER FAN. YOU MAY KNOW HIM FROM "THE WIRE"
OR THE HIT SHOW "BARRY," BUT TODAY HE WAS JUST BOB. WE MET ON ESSAOUIRA'S RAMPARTS BUILT STONE BY STONE BY ENSLAVED
AFRICANS TO THE 1700s. >> YOU CAN TRACE THE BLUES? >> YOU CAN TRACE THE BLUES TO THE BLACK CULTURES FROM SENEGAL,
GAMBIA, MALI WHO THEN TRAVELED NORTH INTO MOROCCO, THE BLACK RACES. WHEN YOU COME HERE AND HEAR THE
GNAWA YOU FEEL THE SAME THING THAT WE FEEL WITH THE OLD-TIME BLUES. >> YOU FEEL THE BLUES.
>> YOU FEEL THE BLUES AND THAT'S WHAT GNAWA ♪ ♪
>> IT'S MUSIC TO SEEMS TO RISE FROM THE VERY STONES OF THIS ANCIENT WALLED CITY. ONCE A LUCRATIVE TRADING POST,
SLAVE MARKETS WERE CLOSED AS RECENTLY AS 1912. TODAY, FISHING BOATS AND TOURISTS CROWD THE OLD HARBOR, A
POSTCARD OF CAREFREE LEISURE, BUT FOR ACTOR BOB WISDOM IT'S THE MUSIC OF GNAWA EMBEDDED IN A PAINFUL PAST THAT IS THE TOWN'S
TRUE SPIRIT. >> WHEN I COME HERE THERE'S A LIVINGNESS ABOUT THIS MUSIC. IT IS ALIVE AS WELL AS IT IS
ANCIENT AND SO ALL OF THIS MUSIC IS PASSED ON ORALLY SO IT'S CHANGING ALL OF THE TIME AND IT'S THE SAME WITH OUR BLUES.
>> YOU HAVE CALLED IT PORTAL TO THE PAST. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? >> IT GIVES US A REMINDER OF
IDENTITY, WHO WE ARE IN THE LARGEST SENSE, THE AFRICANNESS IN OUR BLOOD. ♪
>> WISDOM HAS SEEN ESSAOUIRA'S FESTIVAL GROW FROM A CULT FOLLOWING IN 1998 TO ATTRACTING
UP TO 500,000 FANS INCLUDING WESTERN MUSICIANS WHO WANT A RUN AT THE MOROCCAN BLUES. ♪
♪ >> THE OPENING DAY PARADE WAS A FREE-WHEELING MARDI GRAS, AS
MANY AS 200 GNAWA MUSICIANS WOUND THEIR WAY THROUGH THE STREETS. WISDOM GREETED OLD FRIENDS AS WE
WATCHED FLYING FOOTWORK AND ACROBATICS THAT COULD RIVAL A CIRCUS. ON STAGE, YOU COULD FEEL THE
SHARED MOJO BETWEEN MOROCCAN AND AMERICAN BLUES. WE SAW STYLIZED LINE STEPS THAT REMINDED US OF MOTOWN.
DEEP KNEE DROPS THAT JAMES BROWN WOULD ENVY. AMERICAN PERCUSSIONISTS SULAIMAN HAKIM TOLD US THE SIMILARITIES
DIDN'T END THERE. HE TOLD US THE GOSPEL-LIKE CALL ON RESPONSE SO KEY TO GNAWA WAS THE SAME AS HE'D GROWN UP WITH
IN LOS ANGELES. ♪ ♪ >> IN BLUES OR FUNK THERE IS A
CALL AND RESPONSE. SO AUTOMATICALLY THE FIRST TIME I HEARD GNAWAS I HEARD, WOW, THIS SOUNDS THE MUSIC LIKE BACK
HOME AND THE WAY THEY TURN THEIR HEADS AND IT'S LIKE THE DANCES IN THE '30s AND '40s WHEN DUKE ELLINGTON AND OUR PARENTS AND
GRANDPARENT -- IT'S THE SAME THING. >> A MUSICAL GLOBETROTTER SULAIMAN HAKIM STARTED HIS
CAREER WITH LEGENDARY JAZZ DRUMMER AND COMPOSER MAX ROACH, BUT HE TOLD US THE GNAWA MAALEMS COULD GO TOE TO TOE WITH ANYONE.
WHAT SET THE MUSIC APART WAS THE CASTANETS. >> YOU ONLY HEAR THIS IN MOROCCO.
THEY HAVE WHAT WE CALL A SIX FEEL. AS A MUSICIAN YOU ARE TOTALLY WIPED AWAY BY THIS PULSATING --
AND IT GRABBED ME. YOU CAN SEE, I'M A NERVOUS WRECK ABOUT IT. [ LAUGHTER ]
IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE AND THEN -- >> IT STILL DOES THAT TO YOU? >> IT STILL DOES IT AND WHEN THE
TEMPO STARTS TO PICK UP -- >> WE'RE TAKING OFF. >> WE'RE TAKING OFF. >> THE CASTANETS OR KRAKEBS ARE
THE HEARTBEAT OF GNAWA. THEIR ORIGIN STORY PASSED DOWN THROUGH GENERATIONS SAY THE KRAKEBS WERE FORGED FROM THE
SHACKLES OF SLAVES. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW, BUT MANY, INCLUDING HAKIM, TOLD US THEY WERE IN AWE OF THE GNAWA
FOR USING MUSIC TO DIFFUSE A PAINFUL PAST. >> KRAKEBS ARE THE INSTRUMENTS LIKE THAT, BUT ACTUALLY IT WAS
THIS. IT WAS USED TO KEEP THEM UNDER CONTROL. >> YOU'VE SEEN THE HORRIBLE
PICTURES -- >> YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THEM, THERE ARE TWO PIECES LIKE THIS THAT YOU
CLICK TOGETHER AND IF YOU TAKE ONE OF THEM AND PUT IT HERE AND HERE IT'S A NECK PIECE AND THEY CONVERTED THEM, UNBELIEVABLY,
INTO AN INSTRUMENT. >> THEY TURNED SOMETHING HORRIBLE INTO SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL.
>> DOESN'T THAT REMIND YOU OF SOMETHING? ♪ ♪
>> HAKIM TOLD US THE EARLY AMERICAN BLUES LIKE THIS RECORDS FROM THE 1930s IS CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH, AND THE
FULL-THROATED LYRICS OF GNAWA, SONGS SEARCHING FOR FREEDOM AND HOPE WOULD BE AS MUCH AS 11th CENTURY MOROCCO AS THEY DID IN
THE PLANTATIONS OF THE DEEP SOUTH. >> THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A WAY OF PASSING MESSAGES TO BE ABLE TO
EXPRESS ITSELF OF ALL THE PAIN AND AGONY AND THE GLORY THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE ACCOUNTING OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE
GNAWANS IS ARE THE SAME WAY. TODAY, GNAWA HAS INSPIRED MROCCAN BANDS THAT ENJOY ROCK STAR STATUS THAT WOULD HAVE
ASTOUNDED THEIR MUSICAL ♪ ♪ >> GNAWA HAS BECOME THE TOP
ENTERTAINMENT IN MOROCCO, ESSAOUIRA'S ANNUAL FESTIVAL. MOROCCO HAS LONG WESTERN MUSICS. HE FELL UNDER THE SPELL IN THE
1960 ♪ ♪ >> ROCK 'N' ROLL GIANT ROBERT
PLANT WAS ANOTHER CONVERT. ♪ ♪ ♪
>> SO, TOO, WAS CARLOS SANTANA, CAT STEVENS, PAUL SIMON, FRANK ZAPPA, ALL OF WHOM MADE THE
TRACK TO MOROCCO. EVEN MADONNA PAID TRIBUTE ON HER LATEST ALBUM. ♪
♪ >> BUT NO MUSICIAN IS AS CELEBRATED IN MOROCCO AS DJIMI
H PD JI, IN I HENDRIX, HE ROCKED UP AN ESSAOUIRA, WHERE HE FELL IN LOVE WITH A LOCAL BEAUTY AND
WROTE THE HIT "CASTLES MADE OF SAND," DECADES LATER, ACTOR BOB WISDOM TOLD US THE HENDRIX LEGEND LIVES ON.
>> EVERYBODY IN TOWN WILL TELL YOU THEY HUNG OUT WITH HIM. THAT'S NOT SO. I'VE SEEN ONE PERSON WHO HAD A
PICTURE OF JIMI AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A REAL PICTURE, I'LL BE HONEST. >> IT'S LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON
SLEPT HERE. >> JIMI -- >> I KNEW JIMI HENDRIX. >> OH, YES, JIMI HENDRIX, MY
FRIEND, MY FRIEND. >> IN FACT, HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A GUITAR WHEN HE SHOWED UP AND CASTLES IN THE SAND, SORRY
ROMANCE FANS, WAS RECORDED TWO YEARS EARLIER, BUT WHY SPOIL THE STORY IN THE WINDING ALLEYS IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG TO FIND THE
SPIRIT OF JIMI. >> LOOK AT THAT. JIMI HENDRIX, I'LL BE DARNEDED. >> AND IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES
HE'S HERE AT HIS NAMESAKE CAFE BLARING OUT FROM FUZZY SPEAKERS THAT SOUND LIKE THEY, TOO, SURVIVED THE '60
♪ ♪ >> TALL TALES FROM A SHORT STAY, BUT GNAWA WILL DO THAT TO YOU.
♪ ♪ >> WHEN WE COME BACK, GOING INTO TRANCE.
THE MYSTICAL SIDE OF GNAWA. [ TICKING ]
♪ ♪ >>> THE IDEA THAT MUSIC COULD BE A POTENT HEALING FORCE IS NOW
ATTRACTING SERIOUS SCIENTIFIC STUDY CENTURIES AFTER MOROCCO'S GNAWA MASTERS TURNED TO MUSIC AS MEDICINE.
GNAWA IS THE MUSIC OF ENSLAVED BLACK AFRICANS WHO WERE MARCHED ACROSS THE SAHARA CENTURIES AGO. OFTEN DUBBED THE MOROCCAN BLUES
IT WAS SACRED PRAISING SAINTS AND SPIRITS. TODAY GNAWA IS ENJOYING A SECULAR BOOM.
THE GNAWA FESTIVAL HELD EVERY JUNE IN ESSAOUIRA NOW ATTRACTS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FANS AND AS THE POPULARITY GROWS, SO,
TOO DOES AN APPETITE FOR A TASTE OF THE MYSTIC. >> AWAY FROM THE MASH PIT OF THE MAIN STAGE IN A QUIET COURTYARD,
WE'VE COME TO HEAR ONE OF THE BEST KNOWN GNAWAN MASTERS MOKHTAR GANIA. TRACING HIS ANCESTORS TO SENEGAL
THEY'RE AS CLOSE TO ESSAOUIRA ROYALTY AS YOU CAN ♪ ♪
>> WITH HIS RICH, BARITONE VOICE OFTEN COMPARED TO B.B. KING, WE WATCHED AS THE MAALEM STRUMMED HIS WAY TO THE GNAWA LITURGY.
♪ >> AS ALWAYS, THE CASTANETS DROVE THE BEAT. THE REPEATED RHYTHMS DESIGNED TO
SEND PEOPLE INTO A TRANCE, A SORT OF ECSTASY AS A WAY OF COMMUNICATING WITH THE SPIRITS. WE WATCHED AS ONE AFTER ANOTHER
THE MUSIC MOVED THE UNLIKELIEST OF DANCERS, ONE SWOOPED LIKE A BIRD AND ANOTHER HEADBANGED WILDLY AND ONE MUSICIAN TOLD US
IT WAS LIKE A PASSPORT TO ANOTHER DIMENSION. THIS WAS JUST A GLIMPSE OF THE SACRED.
TRADITIONAL GNAWA TRANCE CEREMONIES ARE PRIVATE, ELABORATE, DUSK TO DAWN RITUALS AND THE MAALEM ACT AS A MUSICAL
MEDIUM CALLING TO THE SPIRITS TO HEAL VARIOUS ILLS. >> IT'S LIKE A CHURCH WHERE EVERYONE IS PARTS OF THE
EXPERIENCE. >> SAXOPHONIST JALEEL SHAW TOLD US HE'D NEVER HEARD OF GNAWA MUSIC BEFORE HE WAS INVITED TO
THE FESTIVAL, BUT WHEN HE SAW PEOPLE GO INTO TRANCE IT REMINDED HIM OF WORSHIPPERS SPEAKING IN TONGUES AT THE
PENTECOSTAL CHURCH HE'D GROWN UP IN IN PHILADELPHIA. >> DO YOU SEE A CONNECTION? >> ABSOLUTELY.
MY EXPERIENCE OF A PENTECOSTAL CHURCH IS SHOUTING OR CATCHING THE HOLY GHOST. SO WHEN I WOULD GO TO CHURCH,
SERVICES WOULD GO ON AND ON AND ON IF SOMEONE CAUGHT THE HOLY GHOST OR SOMEONE CAUGHT THE SPIRIT.
>> ACTOR BOB WISDOM TOLD US HE'D GONE INTO TRANCE ONCE AND HE'LL NEVER FORGET IT. >> THE TRANCE IS A LITTLE SCARY
BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HOLD ON. YOU DON'T WANT TO LET GO INTO IT, IT'S THE UNKNOWN. IT'S ENOUGH THAT I DON'T
UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE, BUT TO GO INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION OF POSSESSION IS -- >> IT'S POWERFUL.
>> IT'S VERY POWERFUL. >> WISDOM TOLD US THEY WERE LIKE MEDICINE DRIVEN BY THE HYPNOTIC RHYTHM OF THE CAFTSTANETS.
ANY MUSIC WOULD SAY, IT'S IRREGULAR AND IT BUILDS TO HOLD THIS SPIRITUAL FORCE THAT THEY GENERATE IN THE LILA TO CALL THE
SPIRITS. THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THAT LITTLE SHIVER IN THE CEREMONY. I GUESS IT'S A LONG WAY TO SAY I
JUST LIKE BEING ON THE EDGE OF TIME. >> THAT'S WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE TO YOU.
>> YEAH. IT'S LIKE BEING ON THE EDGE OF TIME. ♪
>> SO WHILE WE WERE STUCK IN THIS DIMENSION, WE DECIDED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE GIMBRI
AND THE POWERFUL MEDICINE IT SEEMS TO UNLEASH IN THE HANDS OF THE RIGHT MAALEM. WE WENT TO SEE MOKHTAR GANIA.
♪ ♪ >> EVEN WITHOUT HIS RED AND GOLD, THE MAALEM WELCOMED US
INTO HIS HOUSE WITH A TRADITIONAL PRAYER. >> SHUKRAM. >> THIS IS THE GIMBRI.
THIS IS THE OLDEST GIMBRIS HE MADE, HAND CARVED FROM EBONY AND THE SKIM OF A CAMEL'S NECK. TURNS OUT THE GIMBRI CAN ALSO BE
A DRUM. THE MAALEM'S DRUM, THEIR SECRET WEAPON. ♪
>> GANIA TOLD US IT TAKES A LIFETIME OF STUDY TO BECOME A MAALEM, BUT AS GNAWA HAS
EVOLVED, SO, TOO, HAVE ITS ANCIENT INSTRUMENTS. ♪ ♪
>> MAALEM ELECTRIFIED THIS GIMBRI AND ADDED FRITZ AND DECORATIONS. ♪
♪ >> THAT IS THE BLUES. >> AND GANIA'S NEWEST CREATION,
A RHINESTONE-CRUSTED GIMBRI THAT BELONGS TO THE 21st CENTURY. >> THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE A ROCK STAR'S --
♪ ♪ ♪ >> MAALEM GANIA TOLD US HE CAN
RING MORE NOTES FROM THIS GIMBRI, BUT THE SONGS STAY THE ♪ ♪
>> ALL RIGHT. [ APPLAUSE ] >> SOME OF THE SONGS YOU SING ARE CENTURIES OLD.
WHY DO THEY STILL CONNECT WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY? >> Translator: THAT'S EASY, HE TOLD US.
GNAWA MAY BE ANCIENT, BUT IT COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART. THEY ARE VERY SPIRITUAL. MUSIC IS NOT JUST WRITTEN FOR
THE EAR. IN GNAWA MUSIC WE START WITH THE SPIRITS. >> SO WHEN YOU HEAR AMERICAN
ARTISTS LIKE LOUIE ARMSTRONG OR JAMES BROWN. >> YEAH. >> DO YOU HEAR GNAWA IN THEIR
MUSIC? >> JAMES BROWN IS GNAWA, HE TOLD US, AND GNAWA IS JAMES BROWN. ♪
>> WE HEADED BACK TO THE MAIN STAGE. WE WATCHED A YOUNG BOY HONE HIS
DANCE STEPS IN A CLOUD OF INCENSE WHILE HIS GNAWAN BROTHERS LOOKED ON. MUSICIAN JALEEL SHAW SAID IT WAS
LIKE WATCHING HISTORY SING AND DANCE ACROSS THAT STAGE. HE SAID HE FELT LIKE AN AMBASSADOR FOR AMERICAN MUSIC
AND THE DEBT OWED TO THE ENSLAVED PLAQUE AFRICANS WHO FIRST EXPRESSED THEMSELVES IN THAT MUSIC.
>> DOES THAT HISTORY COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS MUSIC? >> ABSOLUTELY.
THAT HISTORY COMES INTO PLAY EVERY TIME I PICK UP MY INSTRUMENT. THE BLUES COME FROM THE SLAVE
SONGS AND THE SLAVE SONGS COMES FROM THIS UPON. >> THAT'S WHY I PLAY. DO YOU MAKE THAT CONNECTION
INTELLECTUALLY, SPIRITUALLY I FEEL IT. I'M A DESCENDANT. THAT NIGHT WHEN A SONG SANK, AS
THE OLD HEALING MUSIC EVOLVED AGAIN. ♪ ♪
>> LES AMAZONES D'AFRIQUE, AND ASMA HAMZOUI, ONE OF THE FEW MAALEMS IN MOROCCO. MOROCCO PRACTICES A MODERN ISLAM
AND IS A SIGN OF RESILIENCE THAT WOMEN ARE NOW BEING WELCOMED INTO THE MASTER RANKS. ♪
>> WITHOUT MUSIC THERE'S NO LIFE. MUSIC IS THE HEARTBEAT OF
EXISTENCE. YOU CANNOT POINT TO ME ONE SOCIETY ON THIS PLANET THAT EXISTS WITHOUT MUSIC.
>> MUSICIAN SULAIMAN HAKIM TOLD ME EVERY TIME HE PLAYED THIS FESTIVAL HE DISCOVERED SOMETHING NEW IN THE GNAWA PLAYBOOK AND HE
PREDICTED IT WOULD INFLUENCE A NEW GENERATION OF MUSICIANS. >> IT WILL OPEN UP A WHOLE OTHER WORLD AND THEN YOU WILL SEE IN
THE NEXT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS WE'LL BE HERE -- >> DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. >> WE'LL STILL BE HERE.
HEAR THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE OUTRAGEOUS. >> AND GNAWA IS STEPPING IN? >> GNAWA IS THERE TO STAY.
♪ ♪ >> THE TRUTH OF THOSE WORDS WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, HOBA HOBA
SPIRIT, MOROCCO'S ANSWER TO THE ROLLING STONES. THEY ARRIVED ON STAGE WELL AFTER MIDNIGHT TO A FRAENSIED CROWD
WITH A ♪ ♪ >> THIS WAS MUSIC FROM THE
STREETS, THE SONGS OFTEN ANGRY AND DISAFFECTED. THEY'RE A THUMB IN THE EYE OF AUTHORITY AND YOUNG MOROCCANS
LOVE ♪ ♪ >> THE BAND'S LEADER RETA AL ALI
TOLD US GNAWA WAS THEIR INSPIRATION AND THE CASTANETS A NOD TO THE ♪
♪ ♪ ♪
>> CALL IT AFRICAN FOLK, HE WROTE. CALL IT GNAWA BLUES. IT'S JUST ROCK 'N' ROLL SUNG BY
A MOROCCAN SOUL. ♪ ♪ [ TICKING ]
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