>>> GLOBAL TRADE HAS BEEN SEVERELY DISRUPTED IN THE RED SEA BY A DANGEROUS MILITIA IN YEMEN.
WHAT THE U.S. NAVY IS TRYING TO STOP. >> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT THE U.S. NAVY OPERATED AT THIS
PACE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS? >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORLD WAR II, WHERE YOU HAVE SHIPS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN COMBAT.
WHEN I SAY "ENGAGED IN COMBAT," WHERE THEY'RE GETTING SHOT AT, WE'RE GETTING SHOT AT, AND WE'RE SHOOTING BACK.
>>> BEAUTIFUL KIDS. GOOD, GOOD. I'M GOING TO BLAME YOU, ANDREW, IF THEY DON'T DO IT.
>> CAN YOU IMAGINE THE REPERCUSSIONS ON MYSELF, MY FAMILY, IF IT WAS ME, ANDREW HITT, WHO PREVENTED DONALD TRUMP
FROM WINNING WISCONSIN. >> YOU'RE SAYING YOU WERE SCARED? >> IT WAS NOT A SAFE TIME.
IF MY LAWYER IS RIGHT AND THE WHOLE REASON TRUMP LOSES WISCONSIN WAS BECAUSE OF ME, I WOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH.
>>> 5,000 MILES FROM HOLLYWOOD, "OPPENHEIMER" STAR CRIKILLIAN MURPHY -- HIS OSCAR NOMINATION BRINGS A BLINDING LIGHT TO AN
ARTIST WHO WOULD RATHER DISAPPEAR. EMILY BLUNT TOLD ME, HALF JOKING, YOUR INTERVIEW WITH
CILLIAN WILL BE A DISASTER. IS THIS GOING TO BE A DISASTER? >> I DON'T, I HOPE NOT. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M SEE CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT
ON "60 MINUTES." >>> AFTER HAMAS LAUNCHED ITS DEADLY TERRORIST ATTACK IN ISRAEL THIS PAST OCTOBER AND
ISRAEL BEGAN ITS UNRELENTING WAR IN GAZA IN RESPONSE, PRESIDENT BIDEN WARNED IRAN AND ITS PROXIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST TO
STAY OUT OF IT. ONE OF THOSE GROUPS DECIDED INSTEAD THAT IT WAS ALL-IN. THAT GROUP IS A SHIA MILITIA IN
YEMEN KNOWN AS THE HOUTHIS. YEMEN IS THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT ITS 1,200 MILES OF COASTLINE LEADS IN AND
OUT OF THE SUEZ CANAL, THE PRIMARY ROUTE BY SEA BETWEEN EUROPE AND ASIA, RESPONSIBLE FOR A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN
GLOBAL TRADE. SO, WHEN THE HOUTHIS BEGAN TO ATTACK COMMERCIAL SHIPS IN SOLIDARITY WITH HAMAS, PRESIDENT
BIDEN FACED A CRISIS IN THE RED SEA AND SENT THE U.S. NAVY INTO ITS FIRST MAJOR FIGHT OF THE 21st CENTURY.
>> Reporter: OUR REPORT BEGINS NOT ON THE WATER BUT IN THE AIR. WHERE FROM A U.S. NAVY RECONNAISSANCE PLANE 500 FEET
ABOVE THE RED SEA, WE WERE THE FIRST JOURNALISTS TO SEE THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL SHIPS THE HOUTHIS HAVE TARGETED, AND THE
U.S. WARSHIPS SENT TO PROTECT THEM. >> WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THE HOUTHIS HOLD THIS STRAIT
HOSTAGE. >> Reporter: VICE ADMIRAL BRAD COOPER IS THE U.S. MILITARY'S DEPUTY COMMANDER IN THE MIDDLE
EAST. AFTER OCTOBER 7th, AS THE NAVY'S TOP OFFICER IN THE REGION, HE ORDERED THE FIFTH FLEET INTO AN
AREA IT TYPICALLY SAILED RIGHT THROUGH. >> HOW MANY SAILORS ARE NOW IN THE RED SEA?
>> WE'VE GOT ABOUT 7,000 RIGHT NOW. IT'S A LARGE COMMITMENT. >> WHAT MAKES THE RED SEA ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT WATERWAYS IN THE WORLD? >> 15% OF GLOBAL TRADE FLOWS EXACTLY THROUGH THE RED SEA.
SO, KEEPING THESE WATERWAYS OPEN IS CRITICAL. IT'S A CORE COMMITMENT THE UNITED STATES HAS FROM STRATEGIC
PERSPECTIVES, MAINTAINING A LEVEL OF COMMERCE. >> Reporter: THE RED SEA IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF CALIFORNIA.
IN THE NORTH, THE SUEZ CANAL. IN THE SOUTH, THE 20-MILE-WIDE STRAIT KNOWN AS THE "GATE OF GRIEF."
IT WAS NEAR THERE THREE MONTHS AGO THAT A JAPANESE CHARTERED SHIP BUILT TO CARRY CARS WAS HI JACKED BY THE HOUTHIS, WHO
POSTED THIS VIDEO. SINCE THEN, ACCORDING TO THE PENTAGON, THE HOUTHIS HAVE ATTACKED AT LEAST 45 SHIPS.
AND THE U.S. NAVY HAS SHOT DOWN MORE THAN 95 DRONES AND MISSILES FIRED BY THE MILITIA THAT CONTROLS ONE-THIRD OF YEMEN,
INCLUDING THE CAPITAL, SANAA. AS HOUTHI ATTACKS INTENSIFIED IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY, THE WORLD'S LARGEST CONTAINER SHIP
COMPANIES ALL MADE THE DECISION TO AVOID THE SUEZ AND GO AROUND AFRICA'S CAPE OF GOOD HOPE, ADDING AS MUCH AS A MONTH OF
TRAVEL TIME AND A MILLION DOLLARS IN FUEL. U.S. FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR JEROME POWELL TOLD "60 MINUTES"
TWO WEEKS AGO, THE DIVERSIONS POSE A RISK TO THE GLOBAL ECONOMY. AND IN THE NEAR TERM --
>> THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT EUROPE MUCH MORE THAN IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US. >> Reporter: TESLA AND VOLVO
WERE BOTH FORCED TO SUSPEND SOME EUROPEAN PRODUCTION LAST MONTH DUE TO SUPPLY CHAIN DISRUPTIONS. THERE ARE STILL SHIPS GOING
THROUGH THE SUEZ, MOSTLY SMALLER, REGIONAL CARRIERS THAT ARE WILLING TO RUN THE CURRENT RISKS OF THE RED SEA.
>> HOW MUCH IS THAT IN TERMS OF THAT TRAFFIC? HAS IT BEEN REDUCED BY HALF? >> IT'S BEEN REDUCED.
ON ANY GIVEN DAY, SOMETIMES 40%. BUT IT'S CLEARLY FLOWING. I THINK IN MANY RESPECTS, IT'S FLOWING BECAUSE OF THE DEFENSIVE
UMBRELLA WE PUT OVER THE SOUTHERN RED SEA FOR SURE. >> Reporter: THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THAT DEFENSIVE UMBRELLA IS
"OPERATION PROSPERITY GUARDIAN." IT'S A COALITION OF MORE THAN 20 NATIONS THAT INCLUDES THE UNITED KINGDOM.
BUT MOST OF THE SHIPS, AIRCRAFT, AND FIRE POWER ARE COMING FROM AMERICA. >> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT
THE U.S. NAVY OPERATED IN THIS PACE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS? >> I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORLD WAR II, WHERE YOU HAVE
SHIPS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN COMBAT. WHEN I SAY, ENGAGED IN COMBAT, WHERE THEY'RE GETTING SHOT AT, WE'RE GETTING SHOT AT, AND WE'RE
SHOOTING BACK. >> Reporter: INITIALLY, THE HOUTHIS, BACKED BY IRAN, STATED THEY WOULD ONLY SHOOT AT SHIPS
LINKED TO ISRAEL. IN SUPPORT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE AND TO FORCE A CEASEFIRE IN GAZA.
THEIR ULTIMATE POLITICAL AIMS, AS WELL AS THEIR ACTUAL AIM, APPEARS TO BE LESS PRECISE. THEY HAVE FIRED AT SHIPS TIED TO
DOZENS OF NATIONS. THE HOUTHIS' OFFICIAL MOTTO IS, GOD IS GREAT, DEATH TO AMERICA, DEATH TO ISRAEL, A CURSE UPON
THE JEWS, VICTORY TO ISLAM. WHILE THEIR SLOGAN MAY NOT BE NEW, THEIR WEAPONS AND TACTICS ARE, ACCORDING TO ADMIRAL
COOPER. >> THE HOUTHIS ARE THE FIRST ENTITY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD TO USE ANTISHIP BALLISTIC
MISSILES EVER, FIRING AT SHIPPING. >> NO ONE HAS EVER USED -- >> NO ONE HAS EVER USED AN
ANTI-SHIP BALLISTIC MISSILE, CERTAINLY AGAINST COMMERCIAL SHIPPING, MUCH LESS AGAINST U.S. NAVY SHIPS.
>> Reporter: ADMIRAL COOPER TOOK US INSIDE THE FIFTH FLEET'S HEADQUARTERS IN BAHRAIN. >> I THINK THERE'S A SENSE THE
HOUTHIS ARE A RAG TAG, KIND OF, TERRORIST GROUP. >> YEAH, YEAH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THAT CAN BE A SENSE, AND IT WOULD BE A FALSE SENSE. WE WILL UNWISE TO CONSIDER THAT. YOU HAVE TEN YEARS OF BEING
SUPPLIED BY THE IRANIANS, VERY SOHISTICATED ADVANCED WEAPONS. THEY HAVE HIT A FEW SHIPS. >> OF THOSE TARGETS, HOW MANY OF
THEM ARE DIRECTED AT U.S. NAVAL ASSETS? >> THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS HAVE BEEN
DIRECTED AT INTERNATIONALLY FLAGGED MERCHANT SHIPS. A SMALL PERCENTAGE ARE AT U.S. NAVY SHIPS.
>> WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE WOULD THAT DO ON A COMMERCIAL SHIP? >> LET'S GO RIGHT HERE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS
LIKE. THE HOUTHIS ATTACKED IT, AND YOU CAN SEE IN PRACTICAL TERMS WHAT THE DAMAGE WAS.
>> Reporter: THE HOUTHIS ALSO HAVE INEXPENSIVE IRANIAN-DESIGNED ATTACK DRONES IN THEIR ARSENAL, LIKE THE
15-FOOT-WIDE SAMAD, WITH A RANGE OF UP TO 1,100 MILES. SOME OF THEIR ANTI-SHIP BALLISTIC MISSILES RESEMBLE THE
IRANIAN WEAPONS SEEN HERE AND CAN HIT TARGETS UP TO ABOUT 300 MILES AWAY. >> IF THERE WAS AN ANTI-SHIP
BALLISTIC MISSILE LAUNCHED, THIS BALLISTIC MISSILES TRAVELS ABOUT MACH 5. >> HOW MUCH TIME IS BETWEEN
HOUTHI LAUNCH AND IT COULD REACH A U.S. SHIP? >> IF IT'S COMING TO THEM -- PUT YOURSELF IN THE SEAT OF THE
DESTROYER CAPTAIN. HE HAS 9 TO 15 SECONDS TO MAKE A DECISION OF WHETHER TO SHOOT THAT DOWN.
IT'S INTENSE. >> Reporter: TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THOSE CAPTAINS DEPLOYED IN THE RED SEA, WE TOOK A FIVE-MILE
HELICOPTER RIDE FROM THE "USS DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER" OVER TO THE "USS MASON," WHERE WE MET COMMANDER JUSTIN SMITH.
THE COMMANDER IS ONE OF FOUR WARSHIPS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE SHOT DOWN MORE THAN A DOZEN OF THE HOUTHIS ANTI-SHIP BALLISTIC
MISSILES. >> HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU SEE THOSE? >> ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO TWO
MINUTES OUT. TO GIVE ME THE 9 TO 15 SECONDS AS THE CAPTAIN OF THIS SHIP OF WHAT MY ACTIONS ARE GOING TO BE.
>> YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE THAT'S ALLOT OF TIME, 9 TO 15 SECONDS. >> SEEMS SMALL AND SHORT IN DURATION, BUT MY CREW HAS THAT
READY PROFICIENCY TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE. >> Reporter: WE LEARNED THAT SO FAR IN THIS CRISIS, THE NAVY HAS
FIRED ABOUT 100 OF THEIR STANDARD SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILES THAT CAN COST AS MUCH AS $4 MILLION EACH.
>> ROGER, OVER. >> Reporter: THE DECISION TO FIRE ONE AT AN INCOMING HOUTHI MISSILE OR KAMIKAZE ATTACK DRONE
IS MADE IN THE SHIP'S COMBAT CENTER, OR CIC. >> WE CAN BE ATTACKED AT ANY TIME IN ANY PLACE.
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHERE COMMANDER SMITH SHOWED US A VIDEO OF THE "USS MASON" DOING JUST THAT.
>> SEE AN INTERCEPT HERE FOLLOWED BY A QUICK EXPLOSION, SHOWING A SUCCESSFUL ENGAGEMENT. >> THE WEAPONS SYSTEMS THAT YOU
HAVE ON BOARD HERE, AND SPECIFICALLY THE STANDARD MISSILES, THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE WEAPONS.
AND YOU'RE USING THEM TO SHOOT DOWN $10,000 DRONES. S THAT WORTH IT? >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT A
PRICE TAG ON SAFETY AND THE DEFENSE OF OUR SAILORS ON BOARD. >> YOU HAVE TO BE RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME.
>> YTHEY JUST HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT ONCE. >> Reporter: A DAY BEFORE OUR VISIT TO THE "USS MASON," ABOUT
100 MILES AWAY, ANOTHER U.S. DESTROYER NEEDED ITS WEAPON OF LAST RESORT. A DEFENSIVE CANNON CALLED A CIWS
TO SHOOT DOWN A HOUTHI MISSILE THAT WAS A MILE OUT AND CLOSING FAST. MOST U.S. WARSHIPS HAVE ONE OF
THESE GUN SYSTEMS, SEEN HERE IN EXERCISES. THE "USS DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER" HAS TWO.
ON THAT SHIP, WITH ITS 5,000 SAILORS AND MORE THAN 75 AIRCRAFT, STRIKE GROUP COMMANDER REAR ADMIRAL MARC MIGUEZ TOLD
US, THE HOUTHIS HAVE PROVEN TO BE RESOURCEFUL ADVERSARIES. >> THERE ARE THE INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE AND RECONNAISSANCE
DRONES THAT ARE THE HOUTHIS ARE LAUNCHING. HOW HAVE YOU SEEN THEM USED? >> WHEN WE FIRST GOT TO THIS
AREA, WE WOULD DETECT THE DRONE, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, TEN MINUTES LATER OR FIVE MINUTES LATER, THERE WAS AN
ATTACK. IN OTHER WORDS, A BALLISTIC MISSILE BEING LAUNCHED OR A CRUISE MISSILE BEING LAUNCHED.
AND WE'VE DEDUCED OVER TIME THAT THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY USING THESE DRONES TO PERFECT THEIR TARGETING SOLUTION.
>> Reporter: SINCE THE WAR IN ISRAEL AND GAZA BEGAN, OTHER IRANIAN-BACKED MILITIAS HAVE TARGETED U.S. FORCES IN JORDAN,
IRAQ, AND SYRIA, WITH AT LEAST 170 ATTACKS THAT INJURED 183 SERVICE MEMBERS AND KILLED THREE.
ADMIRAL MIGUEZ TOLD US SO FAR THE "USS EISENHOWER" HAS ONLY BEEN FOCUSED ON THE HOUTHIS IN THE SOUTHERN RED SEA.
SINCE JANUARY 11th, ITS PLANES HAVE REGULARLY BEEN STRIKING THEIR LAUNCH STRIKES IN YEMEN, AS HAVE U.S. DESTROYERS.
THE U.S. ALSO CONDUCTED A CYBER ATTACK ON AN IRANIAN SPY SHIP THAT WAS GATHERING INTELLIGENCE IN AND AROUND THE RED SEA.
BUT THE HOUTHI ATTACKS KEEP COMING. >> COULD THE HOUTHIS DO THIS WITHOUT IRANIAN SUPPORT?
>> NO. FOR A DECADE, THE IRANIANS HAVE BEEN SUPPLYING THE HOUTHIS, THEY'VE BEEN RESUPPLYING THEM.
THEY'RE RESUPPLYING THEM, AS WE SIT HERE RIGHT NOW AT SEA. WE KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING. THEY'RE ADVISING THEM, AND
THEY'RE PROVIDING TARGETING INFORMATION. THIS IS CRYSTAL CLEAR. >> ARE THERE MEMBERS OF IRAN'S
ELITE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD CORP. THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND IN YEMEN PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE AND TARGETING?
>> THE IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD CORP. IS INSIDE YEMEN, AND THEY ARE SERVING SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE HOUTHIS, ADVISING THEM
AND PROVIDING TARGET INFORMATION. >> SO, WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO DEGRADE THAT CAPABIITY?
>> THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY END UP BEING A POLICY DECISION. OUR ROLE AT THIS POINT IS TO SIMPLY BE READY AND CONTINUE TO
BE AGGRESSIVE IN EXERCISING OUR RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE. >> DO THESE OFFENSIVE U.S. AIR STRIKES AGAINST THESE HOUTHI
TARGETS IN YEMEN RISK ESCALATING THIS CONFLICT? >> I DON'T THINK SO. WE'RE TARGETING THOSE PLATFORMS
THAT ARE TARGETING US. >> IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR, RIGHT, SINCE OCTOBER 7th, SURGING OF U.S. FORCES TO
THE RED SEA. AND YET THEY KEEP FIRING BACK. THEY KEEP SEEMING TO BE OPPORTUNE
OPPORTUNISTIC IN THEIR RESPONSE. IS THE U.S. NAVY, THE FIFTH FLEET, ARE THE ACTIONS HAVING AN EFFECT?
>> IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE DEGRADING THEIR CAPABILITY. AND EVERY SINGLE DAY THEY ATTEMPT TO ATTACK US, WE'RE
ELIMINATING AND DISRUPTING THEM IN WAYS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL AND I DO BELIEVE HAVE AN IMPACT. >> HOW LONG DOES THIS GO ON?
>> I HAVE A PRETTY CLEAR END GAME IN MIND, AND THAT IS THE RESTORATION OF THE FREE FLOW OF COMMERCE AND SAFE NAVIGATION OF
>>> THE MONTH AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 2020, DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN ELECTORS REPRESENTING THE
CANDIDATE WHO WON THE POPULAR VOTE IN THEIR STATES GATHERED ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO FORMALLY CAST ELECTORAL VOTES FOR
PRESIDENT. BUT IN SEVEN STATES THAT JOE BIDEN WON, REPUBLICAN ELECTORS GOT TOGETHER ANYWAY AND CAST
PHONY VOTES FOR DONALD TRUMP. THEY'VE BECOME KNOWN AS FAKE ELECTORS, AND ACCORDING TO FEDERAL PROSECUTORS, THEY WERE
PART OF A PLAN TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION, ORCHESTRATED BY PRO-TRUMP ATTORNEYS WITH TRUMP SUPPORT.
STATE CRIMINAL CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED AGAINST FAKE ELECTORS IN GEORGIA, MICHIGAN, AND NEVADA. WISCONSIN'S FAKE ELECTORS
HAVEN'T BEEN CHARGED. AND SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, ONE OF THEM, ANDREW HITT, AN ATTORNEY AND FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE
REPUBLICAN PARTY, AGREED TO SIT DOWN WITH US TO EXPLAIN HOW HE AND WISCONSIN'S OTHER GOP ELECTORS WERE TRICKED BY THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN. YOU WERE HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN WISCONSIN. WERE YOU A BIG TRUMP SUPPORTER?
>> I WORKED TIRELESSLY FOR HIM. I -- YOU KNOW, DAY AND NIGHT. >> LET'S PUT IT TOGETHER FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
ONE MORE TIME! >> OFTEN TIMES PHONE CALLS COULD START BY 6:00 IN THE MORNING AND WOULDN'T END UNTIL 10:30 AT
NIGHT. I DID EVERYTHING I POSSIBLY COULD. >> THE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN
PARTY CHAIRMAN, ANDREW HITT -- >> ANDREW HITT WAS OFTEN SINGLED OUT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AT RALLIES IN WISCONSIN.
>> ANDREW HITT, ANDREW HITT. HOW WE DOING, ANDREW? WE'RE GOING TO WIN THIS STATE, GOING TO WIN IT.
>> Reporter: BUT TRUMP DIDN'T WIN WISCONSIN. HE LOST TO JOE BIDEN. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN APPEALED,
CHALLENGING MORE THAN 200,000 ABSENTEE BALLOTS ON TECHNICAL GROUNDS IN TWO DEMOCRATIC COUNTIES.
>> IF YOU COUNT THE LAWFUL VOTES, TRUMP WON WISCONSIN BY A GOOD MARGIN. >> THAT WAS FALSE.
WHAT HE SAID WAS FALSE. >> THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WANTED THE VOTES AND DANE COUNTY, MILWAUKEE COUNTY TOSSED.
DO YOU SUPPORT THAT IDEA? >> IT WASN'T SOMETHING I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH. >> DANE COUNTY AND MILWAUKEE
COUNTY IN WISCONSIN ARE THE MOST LIBERAL COUNTIES, THE MAJORITY OF THE BLACK POPULATION LIVES IN THOSE COUNTIES.
>> CORRECT. >> PERSONALLY YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THOSE ABSENTEE BALLOTS SHOULD BE THROWN OUT?
>> I VOTED THAT WAY. I VOTED THAT WAY. >> YOU DIDN'T THINK YOUR OWN VOTE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT?
>> NO. >> ON NOVEMBER 3rd, TONY EVERS CERTIFIED JOE BIDEN'S VICTORY, AUTHORIZING THE STATE'S
DEMOCRATIC ELECTORS TO GATHER AT THE STATE CAPITOL ON DECEMBER 14th TO CAST THEIR VOTES FOR BIDEN.
DAYS LATER, ANDREW HITT SAYS HE RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE. >> WHAT WAS THE REACHOUT TO YOU?
>> CAN WE GET A LIST OF WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN ELECTORS? >> THAT MADE YOU SUSPICIOUS? I WAS ALREADY CONCERNED THAT
THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO SAY THAT THE DEMOCRATIC ELECTORS WERE NOT PROPER IN WISCONSIN BECAUSE OF FRAUD.
>> YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE. >> NO, I WAS VERY INVOLVED, OBVIOUSLY, IN THE ELECTION. >> HITT WAS ONE OF TEN
REPUBLICANS NOMINATED TO BE AN ELECTOR IF TRUMP WON IN WISCONSIN. ON DECEMBER 4th, HE SAYS HE WAS
ADVISED BY THE STATE GOP'S OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNCSEL TO GATHE THE OTHER REPUBLICAN ELECTORS ON DECEMBER 14th AT THE CAPITAL,
AND AS A CONTINGENCY -- IN CASE THE COURT OVERTURNED THE ELECTION IN WISCONSIN. >> IN CASE THE LEGAL ARGUMENT
THAT THE TRUMP TEAM IS MAKING ACTUALLY WIN IN COURT. >> RIGHT. AND I REMEMBER ASKING, HOW CAN
THIS BE THAT A COURT OVERTURNS THE ELECTION AND JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T MEET AND FILL OUT THIS PAPERWORK ON THE 14th THAT TRUMP
WOULD FORFEIT WISCONSIN? AND THE LEGAL ANALYSIS BACK WAS THE STATUTE IS VERY CLEAR. THE ELECTORS HAVE TO MEET AT
NOON AT THE CAPITOL IN WISCONSIN ON DECEMBER 14th. >> THAT MORNING, THE STATE SUPREME COURT IN A 4-3 RULING
REJECTED THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN'S ATTEMPT TO THROW OUT MORE THAN 200,000 VOTES. BUT ANDREW HITT SAYS HE AND THE
OTHER REPUBLICAN ELECTORS MET ANYWAY TO CAST FAKE VOTES BECAUSE HE'D BEEN TOLD THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WOULD APPEAL TO THE
U.S. SUPREME COURT. KENNETH CHESEBRO, A PRO TRUMP ATTORNEY, WHO WAS AN ALLEGED ARCHITECT OF THE FAKE ELECTORS
PLAN, SHOWED UP TO WATCH. >> WE GOT SPECIFIC ADVICE FROM OUR LAWYERS THAT THESE DOCUMENTS WERE MEANINGLESS UNLESS A COURT
SAID THEY HAD MEANING. >> YOU WERE DECIDING TO SIGN THIS DOCUMENT AS AN ELECTOR AND GETTING THE OTHER ELECTORS TO
SIGN THIS DOCUMENT BASED ON A COURT CHALLENGE THAT YOU YOURSELF DON'T BELIEVE HAS LEGITIMACY.
>> I WOULDN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE LEGITIMACY. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN NOT PERSONALLY AGREEING WITH IT.
>> YOU PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT LEGITIMATE VOTES BY WISCONSIN RESIDENTS SHOULD BE TOSSED OUT, AND YET YOU ARE
SIGNING A DOCUMENT IN SUPPORT OF A LAWSUIT, WHICH IS ALLEGING JUST THAT. >> AND IF I DIDN'T DO THAT AND
THE COURT DID THROW OUT THOSE VOTES, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLELY MY FAULT THAT TRUMP WOULDN'T HAVE WON WISCONSIN.
>> BEAUTIFUL KIDS, ANDREW. GOOD, GOOD. I'M GOING TO BLAME YOU, ANDREW, IF THEY DON'T DO IT.
>> CAN YOU IMAGINE THE REPERCUSSIONS ON MYSELF, MY FAMILY, IF IT WAS ME, ANDREW HITT, WHO PREVENTED DONALD TRUMP
FROM WINNING WISCONSIN? >> YOU'RE SAYING YOU WERE SCARED? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> SCARED OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN YOUR STATE? >> IT WAS NOT A SAFE TIME. IF MY LAWYER IS RIGHT AND THE
WHOLE REASON TRUMP LOSES WISCONSIN WAS BECAUSE OF ME, I WOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH. >> SIGNING LEGAL DOCUMENTS OF
SUCH CONSEQUENCE THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE UNDERLYING REASON FOR THE DOCUMENTS, IT'S -- I MEAN, IT'S
NOT EXACTLY A PROFILE IN COURAGE. >> NO. >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT
NOW? >> I MEAN, TERRIBLE. IF I KNEW WHAT I KNEW NOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.
IT WAS KEPT FROM US THAT THERE WAS THIS ALTERNATE SCHEME, ALTERNATE MOTIVE. >> Reporter: THAT ALLEGED
ALTERNATE SCHEME IS A PROMINENT PART OF SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH'S INDICTMENT OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT.
>> CHARGES DONALD J. TRUMP WITH CONSPIRING TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES. >> Reporter: ACCORDING TO SMITH,
WHAT BEGAN AS A LEGAL STRATEGY IN WISCONSIN EVOLVED INTO A CORRUPT PLAN, INVOLVING SIX OTHER STATES AS WELL.
>> DONALD J. TRUMP OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, NUMBER OF VOTES, 11. >> Reporter: ARIZONA, GEORGIA, NEVADA, NEW MEXICO,
PENNSYLVANIA, AND MICHIGAN. >> HE SAYS WE CAN'T ENTER. >> Reporter: WHERE SOME OF THE FAKE ELECTORS COULDN'T CONVINCE
POLICE TO LET THEM INTO THE CAPITOL. >> WE'RE ELECTORS. >> WE'RE ELECTORS.
>> THE ELECTORS ARE ALREADY HERE. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN CHECKED IN. >> Reporter: JACK SMITH CITES
THIS MEMO WRITTEN BY KEN CHESEBRO, DETAILING WAYS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN CAN PREVENT BIDEN FROM AMASSING 270 ELECTORAL
VOTES ON JANUARY 6th. SUPPLANT LEGITIMATE ELECTORS WITH TRUMP'S FAKE ELECTORS AND CERTIFY HIM AS PRESIDENT.
BY JANUARY 4th, ACCORDING TO INTERNAL EMAILS, SOME IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WERE PANICKING. THEY BELIEVED THE FAKE ELECTORS'
DOCUMENTS FROM MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN HASN'T ARRIVED IN VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE'S SENATE OFFICE.
YOUR COLLEAGUE TEXTED YOU, FREAKING TRUMP IDIOTS. YOU WROTE, THIS IS JUST NUTS. WHAT WAS NUTS ABOUT IT?
>> I MEAN, WE HAD THE CERTIFICATION COMING ON THE 6th. HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE THE PAPERWORK?
>> I MEAN, YOU'VE SAID THAT YOU ONLY WENT ALONG WITH THIS PLAN TO PRESERVE TRUMP'S CANDIDACY IN THE EVENT OF A COURT RULING.
JANUARY 4th, JUST TWO DAYS BEFORE JANUARY 6th, DID YOU REALLY THINK THAT WAS STILL POSSIBLE?
>> WELL, REMEMBER, THE WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT HAD BEEN APPEALED. SO, JANUARY 4th, IT SEEMED LIKE, YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT A MUCH
MORE CONSERVATIVE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT COULD OVERTURN A 4-3 DECISION. >> Reporter: TO GET THE
PAPERWORK TO WASHINGTON, THEY PICKED ALICIA GUENTHER, THEN A 23-YEAR-OLD LAW SCHOOL STUDENT WORKING PART TIME FOR WISCONSIN
REPUBLICAN PARTY? >> I WAS ON BREAK FROM LAW SCHOOL AND WANTED TO MAKE SOME EXTRA MONEY TO PAY FOR BOOKS AND
WORKED FOR THE PARTY FOR MY MONTH OFF OF SCHOOL. SO, ON JANUARY 4th, I GOT A CALL FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF WISCONSIN, SINCE I WAS HELPING OUT AT THE TIME. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU
GOT THE TEXT? >> AT FIRST I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. AND THEN HE FOLLOWED UP AND
ASKED THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WANTED THESE PAPERS FLOWN OUT TO D.C. BECAUSE THEY HAD GOTTEN LOST IN THE MAIL.
>> Reporter: GUENTHER SAYS SHE PICKED UP THE PAPERS HERE AT THE HEADQUARTERS AND FLEW TO WASHINGTON.
SHE SHOWED US HER EMAIL CHAIN WITH KEN CHESEBRO AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISER. >> EXPLAINING I SHOUD ONLY GIVE
THE DOCUMENTS TO KEN CHESEBRO. THEY ASKED ME TO MEET UP WITH HIM OUTSIDE THE TRUMP HOTEL. >> I MEAN, IT SOUNDS VERY
SECRETIVE. >> I THOUGHT THAT EMAIL WAS PRETTY ODD AND DRAMATIC. >> AND YOU KNEW WHAT WAS
HAPPENING ON JANUARY 6th, IN TERMS OF THE CERTIFICATION OF THE VOTE? >> I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS VERY
TUNED INTO THAT TRULY BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT A COURT OF LAW WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO OVERTURN AN ELECTION FOR THOSE DOCUMENTS TO
BE USED. >> DID YOU KNOW WHAT CHESEBRO LOOKED LIKE? >> HE ACTUALLY SENT ME A SELFIE
SO I WOULD KNOW -- >> HE SENT YOU A SELFIE SO YOU WOULD KNOW IT WAS HIM? >> YEAH.
>> CAN I SEE IT? >> YEAH. >> SHE STILL HAS THE PHOTO SAVED ON HER PHONE.
THAT'S KEN CHESEBRO. >> MM-HMM. >> WHAT DID HE SAY TO YOU? >> HE TOOK A DRAMATIC STEP BACK
AND LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST MADE HISTORY. >> Reporter: KEN CHESEBRO TOLD INVESTIGATORS HE DELIVERED THE
DOCUMENTS TO CAPITOL HILL. THE NEXT DAY, ON JANUARY 6th, HE COULD BE SEEN IN VIDEOS OUTSIDE THE CAPITOL, NEAR CONSPIRACY
THEORIST, ALEX JONES. >> I WANT TO LOOK EVEN MORE DEEPLY AT THE FAKE ELECTORS SCHEME.
>> Reporter: ACCORDING TO THE JANUARY 6th SELECT COMMITTEE, AN AID TO RON JOHNSON TRIED TO ARRANGE TO GET THE FAKE ELECTOR
SLATES TO VICE PRESIDENT PENCE. >> AND I HOPE MIKE IS GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I HOPE SO.
BECAUSE IF MIKE PENCE DOES THE RIGHT THING, WE WIN THE ELECTION.
>> BUT PENCE'S AIDE REFUSED, TEXTING, DO NOT GIVE THAT TO HIM, ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE. WHEN THE SENATE CHAMBER HAD TO
BE EVACUATED, THE REAL ELECTORAL VOTES IN THESE BOXES WERE TAKEN TO SAFETY. AND WHEN CONGRESS RESUMED, THEY
WERE RETURNED INTO THE HOUSE CHAMBER. >> PURSUANT TO SENATE CONCURRENT --
>> Reporter: VICE PRESIDENT PENCE ANNOUNCED THE ELECTION RESULTS AND CLOSED THE SESSION AT 3:44 A.M., JANUARY 7th.
THE SUPREME COURT ULTIMATELY DECLINED TO HEAR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN'S LAWSUIT IN WISCONSIN. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
DONALD TRUMP CONTINUING TO CLAIM THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN? >> I MEAN, IT WASN'T STOLEN.
IT WASN'T STOLEN IN WISCONSI. >> Reporter: THIS PAST DECEMBER, ANDREW HITT AND WISCONSIN'S OTHER REPUBLICAN ELECTORS
SETTLED A CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST THEM BY SOME OF THE STATE'S DEMOCRATIC ELECTORS. THEY ADMITTED THEY SIGNED A
DOCUMENT THAT WAS USED AS PART OF AN ATTEMPT TO IMPROPERLY OVERTURN THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULTS.
HITT RESIGNED AS CHAIRMAN OF THE WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN PARTY IN AUGUST 2021. HE'S COOPERATED WITH THE JANUARY
6th COMMITTEE -- >> USING OUR ELECTORS IN WAYS THAT WE WEREN'T TOLD ABOUT. AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED.
>> Reporter: -- AND HE SAYS HE'S ALSO COOPERATED WITH FEDERAL PROSECUTORS. HE MAINTAINS HE AND THE OTHER
FAKE ELECTORS IN WISCONSIN WERE TRICKED. >> WHENEVER ANYBODY SEES OUR TEXT MESSAGES, OUR EMAILS, OUR
DOCUMENTS, THEY UNDERSTAND, THEY KNOW, THEIR CONCLUSION IS WE WERE TRICKED. THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE SAW
IT, JACK SMITH SPECIFICALLY IN HIS INDICTMENT REFERS TO SOME OF THE ELECTORS WERE TRICKED. THAT WAS US.
>> THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS KNOWN TO WATCH "60 MINUTES." IF HE'S WATCHING, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO SAY TO HIM?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE NEED A LEADER WHO IS -- TACKLES SERIOUS PROBLEMS AND SERIOUS
ISSUES THAT THIS COUNTRY FACES. AND WE NEED FAITH IN OUR INSTITUTIONS AGAIN. AND THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES NEEDS TO DO THAT. >> IN YOUR OPINION, THAT'S NOT HIM? >> IT IS NOT HIM, CORRECT.
>>>. >> REAL ELECTORS IN MICHIGAN ON THEIR FAKE COUNTERPARTS. >> THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO
SNEAK IN THE NIGHT BEFORE AND >>> 2023 WAS THE YEAR THE WORLD LEARNED TO PRONOUNCE CILLIAN, THE ANCIENT IRISH NAME SEEMED TO
BE ON EVERYONE'S LIST, AS THE FILM "OPPENHEIMER" BECAME A BLOCKBUSTER, WITH 13 OSCAR NOMINATIONS, INCLUDING BEST
ACTOR FOR CILLIAN MURPHY. MURPHY HAS WORKED NONSTOP FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS, BUT IT WAS THE EPIC DRAW
EPIC DRAMA OF THE ATOMIC BOMB THAT IGNITED A STAR. IN THIS MOMENT, WITH THE OSCARS THREE WEEKS AWAY, MURPHY IS MORE
FAMOUS THAN WELL KNOWN. SO, WE SET OUT TO LEARN MORE. WE WERE WARNED THE 47-YEAR-OLD IRISHMAN IS RESERVED AND
WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT HIMSELF. BUT WE DISCOVERED FINDING CILLIAN MURPHY DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LOOK.
[ SINGING IN GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> IRELAND'S PENINSULA WAS NAMED FOR A GODDESS BEFORE SUCH THINGS WERE WRITTEN.
AND FOR 6,000 YEARS, STORIES HAVE PASSED BY EAR.
[ SINGING IN GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> Reporter: SO, IF VERSE INHABITS EVERY IRISH SOUL, THEN IN A COUNTRY PUB, CILLIAN MURPHY
IS AMONG PEERS, AS HE WOULD HAVE IT. JUST A MAN WITH A PINT TO LIFT AND NO FAME TO BEAR.
>> WHAT IS THE MEANING OF IRELAND TO YOU? >> I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION SATISFACTORILY.
IT'S DEFINED WHO I AM AS A PERSON AND MY VALUES. IT'S JUST HOME. >> HOME INCLUDES HIS WIFE OF 20
YEARS, TWO TEENAGE SONS, AND SCOUT, A LAB NAMED FOR THE CHARACTER IN "TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD."
THAT FIGURES. MURPHY HAS ALWAYS LET STORIES LEAD HIS PATH. >> YOU FIND SO MUCH EMPATHY IN
NOVELS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW. AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A BIG
READER. PWHEN A MOVIE CAN CONNECT WITH SOMEONE AND THEY FEEL SEEN OR FEEL HEARD OR A NOVEL CAN CHANGE
SOMEBODY'S LIFE OR A PIECE OF MUSIC, AN ALBUM CAN CHANGE SOMEONE'S LIFE -- AND I'VE HAD ALL THAT HAPPEN TO ME.
AND THAT'S THE POWER OF GOOD ART, I THINK. >> THERE'S A STRAIGHT LINE FROM THE MUSIC IN THE PUB TO
"OPPENHEIMER." >> I THINK THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. I MEAN, I REALLY DO.
I DON'T SEE -- I SEE IT'S ALL ON A CONTINUUM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S JUST A FORM OF EXPRESSION.
>> Reporter: EXPRESSION IN THE EYES OF J. ROBERT OPPENHEIMER, THE PHYSICIST WHO CREATED THE ATOM BOMB BUT NEVER CONTROLLED
IT. >> IF YOU DO IT TOO HIGH IN THE AIR, THE BLAST WON'T BE AS POWERFUL.
>> WITH RESPECT, DR. OPPENHEIMER, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM HERE. >> I REMEMBER READING AT THE
BEGINNING ABOUT HIM, THAT HE WAS MORE RIDDLED AND ANSWER. I THOUGHT, OKAY, WOW. THAT'S INTERESTING.
>> I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR NOTES. >> THE RIDDLE WAS IN THIS SCRIPT BY WRITER/DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER NOLAN, PRINTED IN RED SO IT
COULDN'T BE PHOTOCOPIED. >> I DID GENUINELY THINK IT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST SCREENPLAYS I'VE EVER READ.
>> AND YOU TOLD HIM, I'LL DO IT. >> I MEAN, I SAID, I'LL DO IT, BEFORE I READ IT. >> THAT'S QUITE A RISK.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> IT'S ALWAYS PAID OFF FOR ME, EVERY FILM THAT I'VE WORKED WITH HIM ON.
>> I'M NOT GOING BACK. I'M NOT GOING BACK. >> Reporter: THERE HAVE BEEN SIX CHRIS NOLAN FILMS FOR MURPHY.
"DUNKIRK," "INCEPTION," AND THREE "BATMAN" TITLES. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE MY MASK?
>> YOU TOLD ME THAT GETTING A FILM MADE AND GETTING IT SEEN IS A MIRACLE. >> IT IS.
AND IF IT'S ANY WAY GOOD, THAT'S A MIRACLE. AND THEN IF IT CONNECTS WITH AUDIENCES, THAT'S A MIRACLE.
SO, IT'S A MIRACLE UPON MIRACLE UPON MIRACLE TO HAVE A FILM LIKE "OPPENHEIMER." IT REALLY IS.
>> HIS "OPPENHEIMER" WAS NOT SO MUCH A MIRACLE AS HARD WORK. HE LOST 28 POUNDS TO GET THE SILHOUETTE.
THEN HE ROSE TO THE CHARACTER STEP BY STEP OVER SIX MONTHS, READING, LISTENING TO OPPENHEIMER'S LECTURES, AND
COVERING MILES ON THE BEACH, PERFORMING FOR SCOUT. >> I REMEMBER AT ONE POINT, I SAID TO CHRIS, CHRIS, THERE
APPEARS TO BE -- HE APPEARS TO SPEECH DUTCH HERE, AND I THINK HE'S GIVING A LECTURE IN DUTCH. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT
THAT? AND CHRIS SAID, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? >> [ SPEAKING IN GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ] >> WAIT, WHAT'S HE SAYING? >> MURPHY SAYS HE PUT ALL HE LEARNED IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND
AND ACTED ON INSTINCT. >> I THINK INSTINCT IS YOUR MOST POWERFUL TOOL THAT YOU HAVE AS AN ACTOR.
NOTHING MUST BE PREDETERMINED, SO THEREFORE YOU MUST'NT HAVE A PLAN OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY STUFF.
I LOVE THAT. IT'S LIKE BEING BUFFETED BY THE WIND AND BEING BUFFETED BY EMOTION.
>> YOU DON'T GET TO CORRECT -- >> EMILY BLUNT PLAYS OPPENHEIMER'S TORMENTED WIFE. >> YOU PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER.
>> HE'S VERY VISCERAL TO BE IN A SCENE WITH. IT'S LIKE YOU -- HE TRANSPORTS YOU.
HE'LL KIDNAP YOU IN A SCENE. >> MY FAVORITE ACTING MOMENT OF HIS IN "OPPENHEIMER" IS THE SCENE AFTER THE BOMB HAS BEEN
DROPPED AND HE'S ADDRESSING ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF LOS ALAMOS. >> THE WORLD WILL REMEMBER THIS DAY.
>> HE SOMEHOW WELDS TOGETHER THE CONCEPT OF BEING PROUD OF WHAT THEY DID -- >> YES.
>> -- AND REGRETTING IT VERY DEEPLY. >> YES, YES. >> ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
>> I KNOW. >> IT'S TOO SOON TO -- IT'S TOO SOON TO DETERMINE WHAT THE RESULTS OF THE BOMBING ARE.
BUT I'LL BET THE JAPANESE DIDN'T LIKE IT. >> NO ONE MOMENT IS ABOUT ONE THING.
AND IF YOU'RE AS AGILE AS SOMEONE LIKE CILLIAN AND AS VULNERABLE AND AS CLEVER, YOU CAN PLAY IT ALL.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MANY PEOPLE CAN DO WHAT HE DOES. >> CILLIAN MURPHY DISCOVERED AGILITY IN HIS HOMETOWN, CORK.
HIS MOTHER WAS A TEACHER. HIS FATHER, A SCHOOL INSPECTOR. IN HIGH SCHOOL, MURPHY AND HIS BROTHER HAD A BAND.
♪ PERFORMING LED TO ACTING CLASS AND HIS FIRST PLAY. >> THIS IS MORE LIKE THE SIZE OF
A STORAGE ROOM THAN A THEATER. >> YEAH. BUT THAT'S ALL WE WERE USED TO. >> Reporter: HIS FIRST THEATER,
19 1996, AGE 20. THE PLAY WAS "DISCO PIGS," WHICH GREW TO BIGGER THEATERS AND
BECAME A MOVIE. >> WHY DID YOU THINK YOU COULD BE AN ACTOR? >> I DIDN'T.
I WAS VERY COMFORTABLE ON STAGE IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE FROM WHEN I WAS LITTLE. I NEVER HAD ANY NERVES DOING
THAT. IT FELT NATURAL, YOU KNOW? AND THRILLING. >> IN THIS THEATER, WHAT DID YOU
LEARN ABOUT ACTING? >> THERE'S A FIRE ESCAPE DOOR RIGHT THERE, AND THAT'S KIND OF AN ALLEYWAY THERE.
YOU GET A LOT OF DRUNK GUYS OUT OF THEIR MIND BASHING UP AGAINST THE FIRE ESCAPE DOOR. AND IT USED TO, KIND OF,
ENERGIZE US. I REMEMBER LEARNING ABOUT, LIKE, TAKING WHATEVER YOU HAVE, SORT OF, RESPONDING TO WHATEVER THE
ENERGY IS IN THE ROOM AND USING IT. >> THAT'S REALLY GOOD TRAINING. >> YEAH.
>> MAINTAINING YOUR CHARACTER WITH A DRUNK GUY YELLING THROUGH THE FIRE ESCAPE DOOR. >> YEAH.
YEAH. AND I THINK THEATER IS SUCH A -- AN ABSURD UNDERTAKING WHEN YOU THINK OF IT.
AT ANY POINT, IT COULD COLLAPSE AND GO WRONG. >> IT'S DANGEROUS. >> YEAH.
I LOVE THAT ASPECT OF IT, YEAH. >> THAT LOVE LED HIM TO DROP LAW SCHOOL. AND SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN
A DOZEN PLAYS AND 40 MOVIES. >> I LOVE IT WHEN IT BECOMES AN IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE. I LOVE GETTING LOST IN IT.
IN THE EARLY DAYS, WITH THEATER, IT FELT KIND OF EXTRAORDINARY. JUST THE POWER OF WILL AND A COUPLE OF LIGHTS AND A GOOD
SCRIPT, WE WERE CREATING THIS WORLD. SO, THAT'S, KIND OF, ADDICTIVE WHEN IT WORKS WELL.
>> Reporter: IT WORKED WELL IN 2013, IN A BREAKOUT ROLE AS A LEADING MAN. IN THE SERIES PIQ"PEAK KI
BLINDERS," MURPHY PLAYS THOMAS SHELBY WHO SURVIVES WORLD WAR I TO LEAD A GROUP OF GANGSTERS. >> THEY'RE ALL DAMAGED, BROKEN
MEN. BUT SOMETHING GOT KNOCKED IN HIM AND HE CAME BACK WITH THIS INCREDIBLE DRIVE AND AMBITION.
I'M NOT AFRAID OF DEATH. SO, NOW I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT. >> IN TOMMY SHELBY, YOU CREATED
A SYMPATHETIC, RELATABLE MONSTER. >> KILL, KILL. >> THE ONLY WORDS MY PEOPLE
LISTEN. >> I LIKE TO BE CHALLENGED. AND WHEN I READ SOMETHING, I WANT TO GO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW
HOW I CAN DO THAT. >> IN TEN YEARS OF "PEAKY BLINDERS," MURPHY CAME INTO HIS OWN.
>> I HEARD VERY EARLY ON IN MY CAREER A DIRECTOR -- IT WAS ONE OF THE SIDNEYS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN SIDNEY LUMET,
COULD HAVE BEEN SYDNEY POLLACK. BUT ONE OF THEM SAID, IT TAKES 30 YEARS TO MAKE AN ACTOR. IT'S NOT TECHNIQUE.
IT'S MATURING AS A HUMAN BEING AND TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH LIFE AND FIGURE IT OUT AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO, BY THE TIME YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 30 YEARS, YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT BANKED HOPEFULLY. AND EVENTUALLY THEN I THINK
YOU'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU MIGHT BE AN OKAY ACTOR. >> MATURING IS THE THEME OF MURPHY'S NEXT FILM BASED ON THE
NOVEL, "SMALL THINGS LIKE THESE." HE PLAYS BILL FURLONG, TORMENTED BY INJUSTICE.
HIS WIFE FEARS HIS EMPATHY WILL UPEND THEIR LIVES. >> DO YOU EVER QUESTION US? >> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON WITH
THIS LIFE, THERE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO IGNORE. >> Reporter: THAT'S EILEEN WALSH.
NO ACTOR HAS KNOWN MURPHY LONGER. SHE WAS HIS FIRST PARTNER IN "DISCO PIGS" 28 YEARS AGO.
>> IS HIS WORK ETHIC ROOTED IN FEAR OR JOY? >> OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK IT CAN ONLY BE JOY.
BUT IT SOMETIMES TAKES A LOT OF PAIN TO GET TO THAT JOY. THE DEEPER WE GO WITH ACTING, THE COST IS GREATER FOR US.
AND PHYSICALLY I KNOW "OPPENHEIMER," YOU KNOW, HAS COST HIM FOR THE WEIGHT LOSS HE INSISTED.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS HIS CHOICE TO DO. BUT THEN IT WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE TO CREATE THAT AMAZING
SILHOUETTE. BUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, OUR WARMUPS FOR "DISCO PIGS" INVOLVED US PUNCHING EACH OTHER
QUITE HARD. AND, LIKE, GOING FOR IT AND THEN BURSTING OUT INTO IT, THIS HUGE BALL OF VELOCITY COMING INTO IT
WAS THE BEGINNING OF AN "OPPENHEIMER," WAS THE WHOLE KIND OF ATOM OF US. ♪
>> Reporter: NOW, AFTER THREE DECADES OF WORK, CILLIAN MURPHY IS CAST IN THE MOST FAMILIAR IRISH LEGEND OF ALL.
MAYBE THERE IS GOLD, A 24 KARAT GOLD-PLATED STATUE AT THE END OF HIS SPECTRUM OF TALENT. >> YOU HAVE SCREWED THIS UP
THOUGH, YOU KNOW? >> IN WHAT WAY? >> YOU USED TO BE AN ACTOR AND NOW YOU'RE A MOVIE STAR.
>> OH, OKAY. AM I? >> I THINK YOU COULD BE BOTH. YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD
THAT TERM REALLY, MOVIE STAR. I JUST FELT LIKE I'M AN ACTOR. THAT'S, I THINK, A TERM FOR OTHER PEOPLE RATHER THAN FOR ME.
>>> THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED HEALTH CARE, THERE FOR WHAT MATTERS.
>>> ON FRIDAY, RUSSIA ANNOUNCED THE DEATH OF ALEXEI NAVALNY, VLADIMIR PUTIN'S MOST PROMINENT POLITICAL OPPONENT.
THE REPORT SAYS HE COLLAPSED AFTER TAKING A WALK AT HIS ARCTIC PRISON COLONY. WE SPOKE WITH HIM A LITTLE OVER
THREE YEARS AGO IN BERLIN, WHERE HE WAS RECOVERING FROM POISONING FROM A CHEMICAL WEAPON ORDERED, HE TOLD US, BY PRESIDENT PUTIN.
>> I THINK, FOR PUTIN, WHY HE'S USING THIS CHEMICAL WEAPON TO DO BOTH, KILL ME AND, YOU KNOW, TERRIFY OTHERS.
IT'S REALLY SCARY AND PUTIN IS ENJOYING IT. >> YOU HAVE SAID YOU THINK THAT MR. PUTIN'S RESPONSIBLE.
>> I DON'T THINK, I'M SURE THAT HE'S RESPONSIBLE. >> NAVALNY RETURNED TO RUSSIA TO FACE TRIAL, IMPRISONMENT, AND
NEAR CERTAIN DEATH. I'M LESLEY STAHL.