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>>> MEET NATHAN SCHMIDT'S CAMP
OF CLIMBERS.
THEIR MOTHERS ARE WIDOWS OF THE
WAR IN UKRAINE, WHO GAMBLED THAT

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A WEEK OF CHALLENGE IN THE
ALPS --
>> TWO, THREE --
>> -- COULD MEND THEIR BROKEN

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HEARTS.
>> CAN'T HEAR THE SOUNDS OF WAR
HERE.
YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND YOU

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FEEL LIKE YOU COULD FLY.
>>> I BELIEVE THE FIRST PIECE
WAS --
>> JEFF KOONS IS ONE OF THE MOST

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PROMINENT AND POLARIZING ART
STARS IN THE WORLD.
HIS CREATIONS MAY LOOK SIMPLE,
BUT THEY CAN TAKE DECADES TO

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MAKE AND OFTEN PUSH THE
BOUNDARIES OF TECHNOLOGY AND
SOMETIMES TASTE.
CRITICS MAY SCOFF AT TIMES, BUT

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THAT'S NOTHING NEW.
JEFF KOONS HAS BEEN
CONTROVERSIAL SINCE HE FIRST
STARTED SHOWING HIS ART MORE

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THAN 40 YEARS AGO.
>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.

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>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M CECILIA VEGA.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.

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THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT
ON A SPECIAL EDITION OF "60
>>> A BUS FILLED WITH WIDOWS OF
WAR AND THEIR CHILDREN LEFT

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UKRAINE LAST AUGUST, BOUND FOR
THE AUSTRIAN ALPS.
AS WE FIRST TOLD YOU IN
NOVEMBER, THEY'D BEEN INVITED TO

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A CHARITY SUMMER CAMP, HOSTED BY
NATHAN SCHMIDT, AN AMERICAN
MARINE, WHO KNOWS ALL TOO WELL
THE BEREAVEMENT OF WAR.

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MOUNTAIN CLIMBING WAS SCHMIDT'S
PATH TO RECOVERY FROM THREE
COMBAT TOURS TO IRAQ.
SO, WHEN VLADIMIR PUTIN LAUNCHED

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HIS ATTACK ON AN INNOCENT
PEOPLE, SCHMIDT OFFERED UKRAINE
WHAT SEEMED LIKE AN IMPOSSIBLE
HOPE, THAT IN ONLY SIX DAYS IN

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THE ALPS, HE COULD TEACH
GRIEVING FAMILIES TO RISE.
THE JOURNEY TO AN AUSTRIAN HOTEL
ENDED AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING

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AFTER 45 HOURS ON THE ROAD.
SO, THE TRIP ALREADY FELT LIKE A
MISTAKE TO WIDOWS WHO PACKED
ENOUGH SKEPTICISM TO LAST THE

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WEEK.
THEIR HUSBANDS DIED DEFENDING
UKRAINE.
AMONG THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF

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UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS KILLED.
TIME STOPPED FOR NATALIA ZAREMBA
AND HER TWO YOUNG BOYS.
SHE TOLD US --

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>> Translator: I THINK THEY
STILL DON'T BELIEVE WHAT
HAPPENED, JUST LIKE ME.
THEY'RE STILL WAITING FOR DADDY

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TO COME HOME FROM WORK.
>> Reporter: FOR DADDY TO FLY
HOME TO 8-YEAR-OLD ILLIA AND
5-YEAR-OLD ANDRII, WHO IMAGINED

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MASTERING THE AIR LIKE THEIR
DAD.
MYKHAILO ZAREMBA WAS A NAVY
PILOT, SHOT DOWN IN MAY 2022 IN

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THE UNPROVOKED INVASION OF HIS
HOME.
>> Translator: HE LOVED UKRAINE,
SO HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR UKRAINE.

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>> Reporter: WHAT IS YOUR HOPE
FOR THIS TRIP?
>> Translator: I WANT TO FIND
STRENGTH FOR MYSELF TO BE ABLE

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TO BRING MY CHILDREN UP, TO
BRING OUR CHILDREN UP.
I WANT TO FIND THE STRENGTH TO
NOT LET MY HUSBAND DOWN AND TO

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GIVE OUR CHILDREN A GOOD FUTURE.
>> Reporter: 13 WIDOWS AND 20
CHILDREN HAD COME TO AUSTRIA
FROM MYKOLAIV, A CITY BOMBED BY

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THE RUSSIANS FOR 260 DAYS.
THE BEREAVED FAMILIES TRAVELLED
1,300 MILES ON FAITH TO MEET A
STRANGER, STILL STRUGGLING TO

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HEAL FROM HIS OWN WAR.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ]
>> Reporter: NATHAN SCHMIDT,

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NAVAL ACADEMY GRADUATE,
LIEUTENANT COLONEL U.S. MARINE
CORP. RESERVE LED SHOUTS OF
GLORY TO UKRAINE AT THE THIRD

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SUMMER CAMP HOSTED BY HIS SMALL
CHARITY, THE MOUNTAIN SEED
FOUNDATION.
>> IT COMES FROM THE BIBLE.

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IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FAITH THE SIZE
OF A MUSTARD SEED, ONE CAN MOVE
MOUNTAINS.
WE'RE NOT A RELIGIOUS

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ORGANIZATION, BUT THAT FAITH,
THAT FAITH IN SOMETHING BIGGER,
THAT FAITH IN SELF, AND IF YOU
CAN REINFORCE THAT FAITH, WE AND

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YOU CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS.
>> WHAT DO YOU HOPE THESE
FAMILIES HAVE WHEN THEY RETURN
TO UKRAINE?

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>> WE REACH -- THE ROPE
SIGNIFIES COMMUNITY, SIGNIFIES
TEAM.
YOU'RE NEVER ALONE ON THE ROPE.

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IT ALSO SIGNIFIES COURAGE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ON THE ROPE,
THAT MEANS YOU'RE CLIMBING A
MOUNTAIN.

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AND COURAGE DOESN'T MEAN THAT
YOU'RE NOT AFRAID.
IT ACTUALLY MEANS THAT YOU ARE
AFRAID AND YOU'RE GOING TO

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OVERCOME THAT FEAR.
>> Reporter: THERE WOULD BE
PLENTY OF FEAR TO OVERCOME
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS WAS HIS

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GOAL, TO LEAD CHILDREN ON THE
LAST LEG OF A CLIMB TO THE PEEK
OF MOUNT KITZSTEINHORN, AT MORE
THAN 10,000 FEET.

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THE FIRST STEPS FOR THE SUMMIT
BEGAN WITH THE KIDS AGES 5 TO
17.
FOR THEIR MOMS, THERE WERE DAILY

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GROUP THERAPY SESSIONS, AND
EVERY DAY OF THE CAMP WOULD
RAISE THE CHALLENGE FOR BOTH.
>> WE'RE GOING TO TRUST

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OURSELVES, THE MAIN THING, WE'RE
GOING TO TRUST OUR EQUIPMENT,
AND WE'RE GOING TO TRUST THE
EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE WITH.

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>> Reporter: THE TEAM OF
PROFESSIONAL GUIDES AND OTHER
VOLUNTEERS INCLUDED DAN CNOSSEN.
CNOSSEN WAS SCHMIDT'S NAVAL

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ACADEMY CLASSMATE.
AS A NAVY SEAL IN 2009, HE LOST
HIS LEGS IN AFGHANISTAN.
HE'S A THREE-TIME PARALYMPIAN,

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BUT HE'D NEVER CLIMBED SINCE HIS
INJURY.
THE FIRST DAYS OF TRAINING
LOOKED DANGEROUS.

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>> THREE, TWO, ONE.
>> Reporter: BUT THERE WAS
ALWAYS AN EXPERT ON THE ROPE.
>> THAT'S A LITTLE LATE.

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>> Reporter: ONE PROFESSIONAL
GUIDE FOR EVERY FOUR CHILDREN,
WHO EASED THE TENSION SLOWLY FOR
KIDS, INCLUDING 14-YEAR-OLD

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MYROSLAV KUPCHENKOV.
>> NOW, JUST LEAN BACK.
LEAN BACK.
TOTALLY TRUST.

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>> NO.
>> LEAN BACK.
>> I CAN'T.
>> YOU CAN.

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>> I CAN'T.
>> YOU CAN.
>> I CAN'T.
>> OF COURSE YOU CAN.

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>> MYROSLAV, HIS ADULT SISTER,
AND THEIR MOTHER, NATALIA, LOST
OLEKSANDR KUPCHENKOV, A
53-YEAR-OLD CAREER SOLDIER.

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[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ]
NATALIA TOLD US, HE WAS THE MAN
I WANTED TO SPEND MY WHOLE LIFE

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WITH.
HE WAS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING,
WONDERFUL HUSBAND, WONDERFUL
DAD.

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PEOPLE LOVED HIM.
COUPE
KUPCHENKOV WAS HIT BY A RUSSIAN
MISSILE MARCH 2022, AS HE WAS

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RUNNING AMMUNITION TO HIS PINNED
DOWN SOLDIERS.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ]

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MYROSLAV TOLD US, EVERY DAY HE
SHOWED ME HOW TO BE A GOOD
PERSON, AND HE WAS ALWAYS BRAVE.
HE WOULD NEVER GO BACK, ONLY

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FORWARD.
AND MYROSLAV DISCOVERED IN
REPELLING, GOING BACK IS GOING
FORWARD, AND TERROR WAS JUST ONE

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STEP BEFORE TRIUMPH.
>> THAT'S IT.
THERE YOU GO.
SUPER.

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>> Reporter: AS THE CHILDREN
LEARNED THE ROPES, THE MOMS
SEEMED TO BE NEAR THE END OF
THEIRS.

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>> IT WILL BE HARD FOR YOU TO
HEAR THIS.
>> Reporter: THEY WERE LEAD BY
CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST AMIT OREN,

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WITH TRANSLATION BY IRINAYNA
PRYKHODKO.
>> THE WAY I APPROACH THIS GROUP
OF PEOPLE IS NOT IN LOOKING AT

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THEIR TRAUMA.
IT'S IN LOOKING AT THEIR
STRENGTHS.
>> AND WHAT STRENGTHS ARE YOU

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FINDING?
>> CAPACITY FOR LOVE, HONESTY.
THESE ARE THE STRENGTHS THAT
THEY'RE FINDING.

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ALL I DO IS TAKE A FLASHLIGHT,
ILLUMINATE INSIDE THEM, AND LET
THEM SEE AND REMEMBER WHO THEY
ARE.

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>> Reporter: BUT SVITLANA
MELNYICHUK, ON THE LEFT, DIDN'T
SEE THE LIGHT.
SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN BREAK

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THROUGHS.
SHE BROUGHT HER DAUGHTER,
MYROSLAVA, WHILE HER ADULT
DAUGHTER STAYED HOME.

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SVITLANA LOST HER HUSBAND,
YURIY, A CIVILIAN BUILDING
INSPECTOR, WHO VOLUNTEERED THE
DAY AFTER PUTIN INVADED.

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SVITLANA MIXED HOMEMADE
EXPLOSIVES FOR THE TROOPS, AS
HER HUSBAND SENT TEXT MESSAGES
FROM THE FRONT.

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SVITLANA TOLD US --
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ]
-- PICTURES STARTED COMING IN,

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GOOD MORNING, DARLING, WITH A
PHOTO OF A FLOWER TAKEN RIGHT
FROM THE TRENCH.
IT WAS SPRING ALREADY, RIGHT

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FROM THE TRENCH.
THE PHOTOS THRILLED HER BECAUSE
YURIY HAD ALWAYS WORKED TOO MUCH
AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FAMILY,

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SHE THOUGHT.
BUT AFTER THE INVASION, FAMILY
WAS ALL HE CARED ABOUT.
HIS REVELATION LIFTED THEIR

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LIVES.
THEN, HE WAS DEAD, AND HER RAGE
IS ALMOST LIKE BLINDNESS.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL

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LANGUAGE ]
I BECAME VERY DISTANT AND ANGRY,
AND I KEPT ALL THE SORROW
INSIDE.

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I DIDN'T SHARE IT.
>> Reporter: NATHAN SCHMIDT WAS
KEEPING HIS SORROW INSIDE WHEN,
IN 2019, A FRIEND INVITED HIM ON

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A CLIMBING TRIP.
SCHMIDT WASN'T A MOUNTAINEER.
HE'S AFRAID OF HEIGHTS.
TO HIM, THE IDEA SOUNDED SO

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DIFFICULT AND FRIGHTENING, IT
MIGHT JUST HAVE THE FORCE TO
BREAK HIS GRIEF.
>> YEAH.

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YOU KNOW, I SPENT THE NAVAL
ACADEMY PREPARING MYSELF FOR
WAR.
AND NOTHING CAN PREPARE YOURSELF

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FOR WAR.
>> Reporter: IN 2004, SCHMIDT
WAS A 24-YEAR-OLD FIRST
LIEUTENANT, WHO DREAMED OF

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LEADING MARINES.
HE LANDED IN FALLUJAH ON THE EVE
OF THE BLOODIEST BATTLE OF THE
ENTIRE IRAQ WAR.

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>> TWO WEEKS AFTER ARRIVING IN
CAMP FALLUJAH, I LOST MY
TEACHER, WHO WAS A MENTOR OF
MINE AT THE NAVAL ACADEMY.

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>> KILLED?
>> YEAH.
THE ROCKET STRUCK THE OFFICE.
I WAS THE SECOND ONE IN THE

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ROOM.
IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER
SEEN ANYONE DIE IN SUCH A WAY.
AND IT WAS MY TEACHER.

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AND THAT ESTABLISHED A CRACK IN
ME THAT HAD TO BE HEALED IN
ANOTHER WAY THAT TOOK YEARS AND
YEARS TO HEAL.

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THE PROBLEM WAS THAT WAS THE
FIRST OF MANY CRACKS.
I LOST ONE OF OUR MARINES THAT
WAS IN MY UNIT A MONTH LATER.

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I THEN HAD MY FRIEND LOSE HIS
LEG.
I TOOK OVER HIS TEAM.
A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT, I LOST MY

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ANALYST IN A GUN TOURETTE TO OUR
VEHICLE.
BY THE END OF NOVEMBER, THE UNIT
THAT I WAS WITH, WHICH IS A

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GREAT UNIT, 3-1, WAS COMBAT
INEFFECTIVE.
WE HAD LOST OVER 20% OF OUR
UNIT, EITHER INJURED OR KILLED.

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>> Reporter: AND THAT WAS HIS
FIRST TOUR.
HE FOUGHT IN IRAQ FOR THREE
YEARS.

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WHO WERE YOU AFTER THAT THIRD
TOUR?
>> I THOUGHT, IN MY MIND, THAT I
WAS THE STRONGEST.

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BUT IN REALITY, I WAS -- I WAS
THE WEAKEST.
I WAS STRONG PHYSICALLY.
I COULD DO AS MANY PULL-UPS AS

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YOU ASKED ME TO DO.
I COULD RUN.
BUT, MAN, I WAS BROKE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE CRACKS,

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THEY TAKE A LIFETIME TO -- TO
HEAL.
>> Reporter: YOU SPEND THIS WEEK
DOING WHAT YOU CAN TO HEAL THESE

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FAMILIES.
AND I WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT IS
HEALING YOU.
>> IT'S HUGE.

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THIS PROGRAM HAS HEALED ME IN
WAYS I CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE.
AND I FEEL SOMETIMES I THINK
IT'S SELFISH.

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BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT WORKS.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHY.

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>> Reporter: MAYBE IT WORKS
BECAUSE THE CHILDREN AND MOTHERS
WHO ARRIVED ON THE BUS WILL NOT
BE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO RETURN TO

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UKRAINE.
NO ONE'S QUITE THE SAME AFTER
SCALING A WALL LIKE THIS.
WHEN WE COME BACK, TEACHING THE

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BEREAVED TO RISE.
>>> NATHAN SCHMIDT'S WEEK-LONG
SUMMER CAMP FOR BEREAVED
UKRAINIAN CHILDREN AND THEIR

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MOTHERS BEGAN WITH TRAINING IN
THE AUSTRIAN ALPS.
THEN, SERIOUS WORK BEGAN, THE
KIND OF CHALLENGE THAT MIGHT

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RISE TO A REVELATION.
THE HOHE TAUREN NATIONAL PARK
EMBRACES SOME OF THE HIGHEST
PEAKS IN THE AUSTRIAN ALPS AND A

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FEAT OF ENGINEERING.
THE MOOSERBODEN DAM WOULD BE THE
FIRST BIG CHALLENGE FOR THE 13
WIDOWS AND THEIR CHILDREN.

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A ZIP LINE FLEW THEM TO THE
CONCRETE FACE, WHERE THEY FOUND
A STEEL CABLE TO CLIP THEIR
HARNESSES TO.

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FOOTHOLDS WERE SET ACROSS THE
SPAN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF
FOOTBALL FIELDS WIDE.
THE CHILDREN AND MOMS LITERALLY

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COULD NOT FALL, AND YET THE
MOOSERBODEN DAM REMAINED 32
STORIES OF DOUBT.
NATALIA ZAREMBA DID NOT LIKE THE

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MEASURE OF IT.
THE RUSSIANS HAD KILLED HER
HUSBAND, THE FATHER OF HER TWO
BOYS.

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WAS THIS RISK FOOLISH?
WHY DO YOU PUT THEM ON THIS DAM.
>> WE PUT THEM ON THIS DAM
BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO CONFRONT

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DISCOMFORT.
WE WANT THEM TO CONFRONT THEIR
FEARS.
>> Reporter: NATHAN SCHMIDT

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COFOUNDED THE MOUNTAIN SEED
FOUNDATION CHARITY.
WE MET IN THE 700-SQUARE-MILE
PARK, WHERE THE DAM, FINISHED

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AFTER WORLD WAR II, IS A TOURIST
ATTRACTION FOR ROCK CLIMBERS.
>> WHAT MAKES THIS SAFE, IN YOUR
VIEW?

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>> FIRST OFF, WE HAVE
PROFESSIONAL MOUNTAIN GUIDES.
THE SECOND THING IS ALL THE
EQUIPMENT WE HAVE, THEY TRAIN

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THROUGHOUT THE WEEK ON IT.
THEY KNOW HOW TO USE THE
EQUIPMENT.
AND PARTICULARLY THE LITTLE

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CHILDREN, THEY ARE ALSO SHORT
ROPED INTO A GUIDE.
SO, THERE'S MULTIPLE LAYERS OF
SECURITY FOR THEM.

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>> Reporter: AND SO, WITH ALL
THAT SECURITY, THE CHALLENGE WAS
NOT SO MUCH UNDER THEIR FEET AS
UNDER THEIR SKIN.

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>> AND HERE WE GO.
>> Reporter: MYROSLAV
KUPCHENKOV, WHO TOLD US HIS LATE
FATHER NEVER WENT BACK, ALWAYS

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FORWARD, WAS FOLLOWING HIS
FATHER'S LEAD.
>> YOU KNOW, IN LIFE, SOMETIMES
THE THING THAT GETS YOU THROUGH

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A DIFFICULT POINT IS KNOWING
THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE
SOMETHING MORE DIFFICULT.
>> Reporter: WHAT DIFFERENCE DO

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YOU SEE IN THEM WHEN THEY REACH
THE TOP?
>> THE SHEER LOOK OF JOY ON
THEIR FACES.

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>> PERFECT!
>> IT'S HARD TO EVEN COMPREHEND.
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT WILL BE A
STRONG POINT FOR THEM WHEN THEY

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GO BACK TO UKRAINE.
THEY WILL KNOW THAT THEY'VE --
THEY'VE CONQUERED THIS WALL, AND
THEY WILL -- THEY CONQUERED

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THEIR OWN FEARS.
>> Reporter: FEARS CONQUERED BY
NATALIA ZAREMBA, WHO, AT THE END
OF THE CLIMB, WAS WALKING ON

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AIR.
>> YEAH!
>> Reporter: SHE TOLD US, SHE
CAME TO AUSTRIA TO FIND STRENGTH

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TO RAISE HER BOYS ALONE.
>> NICE!
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ]

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>> Reporter: SHE SAID, IT WAS
SOMETHING INCREDIBLE.
AS SOON AS I STEPPED ON THE
GROUND, THE CHILDREN RAN TO ME,

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HUGGED ME.
THERE WERE NO FLOWERS THERE, SO
MY OLDER SON GAVE ME A BRANCH
FROM A BUSH.

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YOU KNOW, I SEE YOU SMILING, AND
I SUSPECT THERE HASN'T BEEN A
LOT OF THAT.
>> Translator: I DON'T FEEL JOY

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THE WAY I USED TO.
WHEREVER I AM, NO MATTER HOW
GOOD A TIME I'M HAVING, IT'S
HARD, KNOWING MY HUSBAND COULD

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HAVE BEEN WITH US.
BUT HE'S NOT.
AND EVEN WHEN I SMILE, THE PAIN
IN MY HEART IS VERY STRONG.

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>> Reporter: THE PAIN IS STRONG,
BUT MAYBE NOT INVINCIBLE.
NATALIA WAS LISTENING AT THE
MEETINGS, AND WORDS OF

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INSPIRATION, LIKE THOSE OF NAVY
SEAL DAN CNOSSEN, WERE GETTING
THROUGH.
>> THAT BOMB IN AFGHANISTAN TOOK

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MY LEGS, AND I CAN'T CHANGE THAT
FACT.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ]

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>> BUT ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO BE
UP TO ME TO DECIDE IF IT'S GOING
TO TAKE THE REST OF MY LIFE TOO.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

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[ APPLAUSE ]
>> Reporter: STILL, FOR OTHERS,
ESPECIALLY SVITLANA MELNYICHUK,
WORDS FELL SHORT.

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SHE HAD TOLD US HER HUSBAND SENT
PHOTOS OF FLOWERS FROM HIS
TRENCH UNTIL THE RUSSIANS KILLED
HIM.

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SHE SAID --
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL
LANGUAGE ]
>> Translator: LIFE IS A LOOK

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YOU READ YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
WHEN MY HUSBAND DIED, I STOPPED
TURNING PAGES IN THE BOOK.
>> Reporter: BUT OPENING A NEW

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CHAPTER IS WHAT CLINICAL
PSYCHOLOGIST AMIT OREN HAD IN
MIND.
SO, SHE TOOK THE WIDOWS TO A

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STORYBOOK CASTLE, WHERE SHE
HOPED TO SCALE THE WALLS OF
SVITLANA MELNYICHUK.
>> AND I STARTED TO TALK TO HER

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ABOUT CASTLE WALLS, THAT WE'RE
GOING TO SEE A CASTLE, WHERE
THERE ARE ALWAYS VERY DEEP,
TOUGH, IMPENETRABLE WALLS, AND

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THAT I THOUGHT THAT HER FACE
LOOKED LIKE THAT, THAT IT WAS
HARD TO SEE WHAT'S INSIDE, LIKE
THIS CASTLE.

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AND I BROUGHT THEM TO A WALL, A
SIDE WALL, OF THE CASTLE, WHERE
THERE WERE TEENY, TINY WINDOWS.
AND I SAID TO THEM, RIGHT NOW, I

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THINK YOU'RE HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND AS YOU GO UP, YOU'RE ABLE
THEN TO SEE THREE WINDOWS.
I SAID, UNLESS YOU OPEN THAT

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WINDOW, YOU CAN'T PEER OUT AND
SEE THE BEAUTY AROUND YOU.
YOU'RE TRAPPED.
AND ULTIMATELY WHAT HAPPENED IS

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SEVERAL OF THE WOMEN STOOD THERE
ON THE GRASS AND OPENED UP TO
EACH OTHER.
SHE WAS ONE OF THEM.

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>> IT WAS CHOKING YOU.
IT WAS CHOKING YOU.
>> Reporter: THE NEXT DAY, AFTER
THE GROUP SESSION, SVITLANA HAD

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BEEN THINKING.
>> SHE CAME UP TO ME AND SAID TO
ME, IT WAS A VERY PAINFUL
CONVERSATION WE HAD, AND I MADE

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A DECISION.
MY ANGER WAS CHOKING ME, AND I
DECIDED TO LET IT GO SO I CAN
BREATHE.

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>> CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU'VE DONE HARD WORK.
I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL

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LANGUAGE ]
>> SHE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO, BUT
SHE'S UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S A
CHOICE AT LEAST.

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THE FEW THINGS SHE CAN CONTROL
IN THIS WORLD IS HOW OPEN OR
CLOSED SHE CHOOSES TO BE IN HER
OWN CASTLE.

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>> YOU KNOW, AS YOU TALK TO THE
MOTHERS, NONE OF THEM EXPECTED
WHAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY OF
2022, THE INVASION, LOSING THEIR

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HOMES IN MANY CASES, LOSING
THEIR FUTURE, OR AT LEAST A
FUTURE BEING UNKNOWN.
AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS IN

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CLIMBING WHERE YOU LOOK ALL
AROUND AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR HAND
AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE

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GOING TO PUT YOUR FOOT.
YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING
TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THAT
POSITION OR FALL.

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THIS PROGRAM IS MEANT TO SHOW
THEM THE FOOTHOLDS AND THE
HANDHOLDS TO FILL THE CRACKS
THAT THEY HAVE TOO AND THEN LEAD

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THEIR CHILDREN BACK UP THE
MOUNTAIN.
>> Reporter: ON DAY FIVE, ONE
MOUNTAIN REMAINED.

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NATHAN SCHMIDT TOOK THE FIRST
STEPS FROM A HIGH TRAM STATION
ON AN ASCENT TO THE PEAK OF
MOUNT KITZSTEINHORN.

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IT WAS THE ULTIMATE TEST OF THE
CAMP.
LIKE THE DAM EARLIER, THERE WAS
A FIXED CABLE TO HOOK ONTO.

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BUT, LIKE THE DAM, GLANCING DOWN
LOOKED FATAL, AND LOOKING UP, A
COLD, THIN GLARE EXPOSED HOURS
OF STRUGGLE.

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WE FOLLOWED SCHMIDT'S LEAD AND
REMEMBERED WHAT HE TOLD US ABOUT
THE ROPE WE WERE ON AND ITS
THREE LESSONS, COMMUNITY,

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COURAGE --
>> AND THE LAST THING IS
RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST

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DIFFICULT ONE.
AND THAT IS, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE
ROPE, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THOSE THAT ARE ON THE ROPE WITH

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YOU.
WHEN THEY'RE WEAK, YOU PULL THEM
UP.
WHEN THEY ARE SHOWING SIGNS OF

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FATIGUE, YOU ENCOURAGE THEM.
>> LOOK AT ME, BREATHE IN.
TWO, THREE, FOUR, HOLD, TWO,
THREE, FOUR.

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>> WE HOPE THAT WHEN THEY GO
HOME THAT THEY BUILD THEIR OWN
COMMUNITIES, THEY ADD PEOPLE TO
THEIR ROPE, THAT THEY ENCOURAGE

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THEM TO FACE THEIR FEARS AND
HAVE COURAGE.
>> Reporter: COURAGE LIFTED THEM
10,508 FEET, A SUMMIT REACHED BY

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EVERYONE.
>> LET'S GO!
>> Reporter: INCLUDING NATHAN
SCHMIDT'S NAVAL ACADEMY

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CLASSMATE, DAN CNOSSEN, ON HIS
PROSTHETICS.
>> IT'S TOUGH, BUT I'M HAPPY TO
MAKE IT TO THE TOP.

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AND IT WAS GREAT TO DO IT WITH
EVERYONE.
SEEING THE KIDS CLIMBING GAVE ME
A LOT OF INSPIRATION TO KEEP

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PUSHING.
>> Reporter: NATALIA ZAREMBA'S
KIDS PUSHED TO THE TOP.
SHE HAD COME TO AUSTRIA TO FIND

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STRENGTH WITHIN HERSELF.
BUT FROM THE PEAK, SHE COULD SEE
WHERE THAT KIND OF STRENGTH
TRULY COMES FROM.

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>> Translator: WE HAVE SOMETHING
THAT BONDS US MORE NOW, SOME NEW
ACHIEVEMENTS, WHICH WE
EXPERIENCED TOGETHER AND THAT

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TAUGHT US TO BE BRAVER AND STAY
TOGETHER BECAUSE ONLY TOGETHER
CAN WE OVERCOME THIS.
OUR STRENGTH, SHE SAID, WILL BE

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FROM BEING TOGETHER.
>> Reporter: ALSO AMONG THE
CLIMBERS OF THE SUMMIT WAS
MYROSLAV KUPCHENKOV, WHO TOLD

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US, NOW HE COULD DO ANYTHING.
WHAT IS YOUR HOPE FOR THEM?
>> MY HOPE FOR THEM IS THAT THEY
CAN REMEMBER THE ACHIEVEMENT

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THAT THEY'VE HAD, AND I ALSO
HOPE THEY CAN REMEMBER THE
STILLNESS AND THE PEACE OF THESE
MOUNTAINS.

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CAN'T HEAR THE SOUNDS OF WAR
HERE.
YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND YOU
FEEL LIKE YOU COULD FLY.

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>> Reporter: EVEN SVITLANA
MELNYICHUK TOOK FLIGHT, RISING
TO THE SUMMIT, AND AT LAST TO
THE HIGH, OPEN WINDOWS OF HER

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CASTLE.
>> Translator: I WAS SCREAMING.
TO BE HONEST, I WAS SIMPLY
SCREAMING.

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HAVING BREATHED IN FULL LUNGS OF
AIR, I WAS SCREAMING WITH MY
HEAD TOWARD, I DON'T KNOW, GOD,
NATURE.

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I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS JUST GETTING RID OF ALL
THE NEGATIVE.
>> Reporter: HAS THIS HELPED YOU

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IN SOME SMALL WAY TO HEAL?
>> Translator: OH, WELL, AT
LEAST I MANAGED TO OPEN THE BAG
OF MY SORROWS.

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>> Reporter: TO OPEN THEIR
SORROWS TO THE SKY FIVE DAYS
BEFORE THEY CLIP TO A ROPE, A
STRING OF BROKEN SOULS.

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NOW THEY WOULD RETURN TO THE
WAR.
BUT THIS TIME RESURRECTED IN
STRENGTH AND LOVE AND INVINCIBLE

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HOPE.

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>>> HOW DAN CNOSSEN CLIMBED
MOUNT KITZSTEINHORN WITHOUT LEGS
AT
>>> JEFF KOONS IS ONE OF THE

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MOST PROMINENT AND POLARIZING
ART STARS IN THE WORLD.
PERHAPS YOU'VE SEEN ONE OF HIS
GIANT BALLOON DOG SCULPTURES, OR

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THE STAINLESS STEEL INFLATABLE
RABBIT THAT HE MADE THAT HE SOLD
FOR $91 MILLION A FEW YEARS AGO,
THE HIGHEST PRICE EVER PAID AT

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AN AUCTION BY A LIVING ARTIST.
HIS CREATIONS MAY LOOK SIMPLE,
BUT AS WE FIRST REPORTED LAST
MAY, THEY CAN TAKE DECADES TO

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MAKE, AND OFTEN PUSH THE
BOUNDARIES OF TECHNOLOGY AND
SOMETIMES TASTE.
CRITICS MAY SCOFF AT TIMES, BUT

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THAT'S NOTHING NEW.
JEFF KOONS HAS BEEN
CONTROVERSIAL SINCE HE FIRST
STARTED SHOWING HIS ART MORE

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THAN 40 YEARS AGO.
YOU'LL FIND THE LARGEST
COLLECTION OF JEFF KOONS' WORK
AT THE BROADEN MUSEUM IN LOS

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ANGELES.
THERE'S A GIANT PAINTING OF A
PARTY HAT, A PORCELAIN MICHAEL
JACKSON AND HIS CHIMP, BUBBLES,

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A KIND OF POP CULTURE -- THE
HULK EVEN MAKES AN APPEARANCE.
THE STAR ATTRACTION, A 10 FOOT
TALL STAINLESS STEEL BALLOON DOG

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STRUCTURE.
KOONCE
IT MAY LOOK LIKE IT'S FILLED
WITH AIR, BUT BALLOON DOG WEIGHS

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MORE THAN A TON AND TOOK JEFF
KOONS SIX YEARS TO MAKE.
>> I STARTED WITH A BALLOON.
I BLEW IT UP.

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I TWISTED A BALLOON DOG.
>> DID YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE A
BALLOON DOG?
>> NO.

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I JUST GOT A LITTLE BOOK.
I PROBABLY MADE ABOUT 50 OF
THEM.
I MADE A MOLD OF IT, AND THEN

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THAT WAS USED TO MAKE THE
STAINLESS STEEL PIECES.
ORIGINALLY, WHEN I MADE THIS
PIECE, I THOUGHT THAT I COULD

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MAKE IT FOR ABOUT $300,000,
WHICH STILL, THAT'S A LOT OF
MONEY.
BUT IT ENDED UP, JUST TO CREATE

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THE PIECE, ENDED UP COSTING ME
1.6.
AND THAT WAS MORE THAN WHAT I
HAD SOLD THE WORK FOR.

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>> THAT'S CLASSIC KOONS.
HE'S FAMOUS FOR GOING
OVERBUDGET.
AND HIS OBSESSIVE ATTENTION TO

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DETAIL IS LEGENDARY.
HE SPENT 20 YEARS FIGURING OUT
HOW TO TURN THIS MASS OF
ALUMINUM INTO A TEN-FOOT-TALL

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PILE OF PLAY-DOH.
TO GET THESE BASKETBALLS
SUSPENDED IN THE AIR, HE
ENLISTED THE HELP OF A

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PHYSICIST.
AND HE USED MORE THAN 60,000
LIVING FLOWERS TO CREATE THIS
SCULPTURE OF A PUPPY.

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ADDING A GAZING BALL TO THE MONA
LISA, OR HE ELEVATES EVERYDAY
THINGS, MAKING THEM LARGER,
SHINIER, OR SURREAL VERSIONS OF

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THEMSELVES.
>> THE RABBIT'S FROM '86.
>> LIKE THAT RABBIT RESOLD FOR
$91 MILLION.

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HE MADE FOUR THAT LOOK AT FIRST
AS IF THEY'RE JUST PLASTIC
INFLATABLES.
BUT THEY'RE HIGHLY POLISHED

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STAINLESS STEEL AND WEIGH ABOUT
150 POUNDS.
>> IT'S ICONIC BECAUSE IT CAN
REPRESENT SO MANY DIFFERENT

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THINGS.
I CAN THINK OF EASTER.
I CAN THINK OF A POLITICIAN.
I CAN THINK OF A PLAYBOY RABBIT.

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I THINK ONE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT THINGS TO ME, THE
REASON IT'S REFLECTIVE AND
REFLECTING YOU, REFLECTING ME,

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YOU KNOW, THE VIEWER FINISHES A
WORK OF ART.
IT'S ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, YOUR
EXPERIENCES.

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IT'S ABOUT YOUR POTENTIAL.
>> MAYBE YOU'RE THINKING JEFF
KOONS SOUNDS LIKE A PHONY
SELF-HELP PROFIT.

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PLENTY OF CRITICS DO.
BUT HE DOES SEE ART AS SOMETHING
THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE HAVE A
PERSONAL TRANSFORMATION.

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>> ART CAN BE ANYTHING.
I MEAN, IT REALLY CAN BE.
MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF ART IS
THAT YOU JUST DON'T HAVE TO

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BRING ANYTHING TO IT OTHER THAN
YOURSELF.
>> SO, YOUR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE IS
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A THESIS

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IN ART HISTORY TO INTERACT WITH
ART AND WHAT YOU FEEL FROM IT IS
VALID?
>> IT'S AS VALID AS ANYBODY ELSE

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COULD EXPERIENCE.
>> WHY BALLOON DOGS?
WHY GAZING BALLS AND INFLATABLE
RABBIT?

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>> MEMORIES.
YOU KNOW, AROUND EASTER TIME, I
WOULD SEE A LOT OF INFLATABLE
RABBITS IN THE YARDS.

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I WOULD SEE GAZING BALLS IN
PEOPLE'S YARDS IN THEIR GARDENS.
OUR NEIGHBORS WHO DO THAT, I
MEAN, HOW GENEROUS THEY ARE FOR

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US THAT WE'RE JUST DRIVING BY OR
WALKING BY AND WE CAN LOOK AND
WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE AWE AND
WONDERMENT JUST FOR THAT SECOND.

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TO ME, THEY'RE SYMBOLS OF
CULTURAL HISTORY.
>> KOONS GREW UP OUTSIDE YORK,
PENNSYLVANIA N A RURAL

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COMMUNITY, WHERE YOU CAN STILL
FIND GAZING BALLS IN PEOPLE'S
YARDS.
HE HAS EIGHT CHILDREN, SIX WITH

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HIS SECOND WIFE JUSTINE, TO WHOM
HE'S BEEN MARRIED 22 YEARS.
THEY STILL LIVE PART TIME IN
PENNSYLVANIA, PART OF AN

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800-ACRE FARM, WHERE THEY RAISE
HORSES AND COWS.
>> I THINK MOST PEOPLE DON'T
ENVISION THIS IS THE LIFE YOU

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HAVE AS A WORLD FAMOUS ARTIST.
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY
INVOLVED WITH MY WORK.
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HOLIDAYS, IT'S A REALLY
IMPORTANT PART OF MY LIFE.
>> KOONS HAS BEEN DRAWING AND
PAINTING SINCE CHILDHOOD N.

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1974, WHILE STUDYING ART IN
COLLEGE, HIS MOTHER HELPED HIM
MEET ONE OF HIS FAVORITE
SURREALIST PAINTERS.

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>> MY MOTHER CALLED ME AND SAID,
I JUST SAW IN A MAGAZINE THAT
SALVADOR DALI SPENDS HALF HIS
YEAR IN NEW YORK CITY AT THE ST.

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REGIS HOTEL.
AND I THOUGHT, OH, OKAY, MAYBE
I'LL CALL.
>> WAIT A MINUTE, YOU JUST

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THOUGHT YOU'D CALL HIM?
>> I CALLED THE ST. REGIS, I
ASKED FOR SALVADOR DALI'S ROOM,
AND THEY PUT ME THROUGH.

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I WAS QUITE NERVOUS, BUT I TOLD
HIM I WAS A FAN AND I WOULD
ENJOY VERY MUCH TO MEET HIM.
HE SAID, CAN YOU COME TO NEW

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YORK THIS WEEKEND ON SATURDAY.
I SAID, YES.
HE SAID, BE IN THE LOBBY AT
12:00, AND I'LL MEET YOU THEN.

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AND HE WAS SPECTACULAR.
>> IT WOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURRED
TO ME TO, LIKE, JUST CALL
SALVADOR DALI IN HIS HOTEL ROOM.

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>> I HAD NOTHING TO LOSE.
>> KOONS AND DALI SPENT THE
AFTERNOON TOGETHER.
AND AT THE END OF IT, HE ASKED

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THE WORLD RENOWNED ARTIST TO
POSE FOR THIS PICTURE.
>> HE PUT HIS MUSTACHE UP AND HE
WAS TELLING ME, KID, HURRY UP, I

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CAN'T HOLD THIS MUSTACHE UP ALL
DAY.
BUT I LEFT NEW YORK THAT EVENING
FEELING LIKE I COULD DO THIS.

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>> AFTER FINISHING SCHOOL, HE
HITCHHIKED TO NEW YORK AND
STARTED MAKING ART IN HIS LOWER
EAST SIDE APARTMENT, BUYING

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CHEAP PLASTIC INFLATABLES AND
PUTTING THEM ON MIRRORS.
KOONS HAD GRAND AM BIGGSS, BUT
HE NEEDED CASH TO REALIZE THEM.

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>> I BECAME LICENSED AND
REGISTERED TO SELL COMMODITIES
AND MUTUAL FUNDS.
THAT'S WHAT I STARTED TO DO TO

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START TO MAKE THE MONEY TO MAKE
THE WORKS.
>> THAT'S NOT A CAREER MOVE A
LOT OF ARTISTS MAKE.

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>> YOU KNOW, I DID IT -- I COULD
MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE MY
VACUUM CLEANER PIECES.
>> THE VACUUM CLEANERS HE'S

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TALKING ABOUT WERE WHAT FIRST
GOT HIM NOTICED IN 1980.
HE BOUGHT ABOUT 20 BRAND-NEW
VACUUMS AND DISPLAYED THEM IN

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CASES WITH FLUORESCENT LIGHTS.
IT WAS PART OF A SERIES CALLED
"THE NEW."
>> I WAS SHOWING THEM FOR THEIR

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NEWNESS.
THIS WAS A BRAND-NEW OBJECT.
IT WAS NEVER USED.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S CLEAN.

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IT'S PRISTINE.
ITS LUNGS ARE PURE.
AND THERE'S ALSO SOME SENSUAL
ASPECTS TO IT TOO.

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>> SENSUAL ASPECTS?
>> SENSUAL.
YOU HAVE THE HANDLE.
YOU HAVE THE BAG RIGHT THERE.

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IT COULD BE LOOKED AT AS
MASCULINE.
OR YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY,
OH, THE BAG IS THE WOMB.

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>> ART DEFINITELY IS IN THE EYE
OF THE BEHOLDER.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF JEFF
KOONS AS AN ARTIST WHEN HE FIRST

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CAME ON THE SCENE?
>> I WAS INTERESTED IN HIM AND I
ALSO WAS KIND OF REPULSED BY
HIM.

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>> ROBERT STORR, FORMER DEAN AT
THE -- SCHOOL OF ART, ACQUIRED
SOME OF KOONS' VACUUMS.
>> I THINK SOME OF THE WORK IS

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UNPLEASANT BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN
IT'S NOT SERIOUS.
>> WHAT'S UNPLEASANT ABOUT IT.
>> THE IMAGERY IS VULGAR.

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VULGAR MEANS MANY THINGS, MEANS
OF THE PEOPLE RATHER THAN OF THE
ELITES.
>> IT'S TAKING AN OBJECT WHICH

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THE NEW YORK ELITES MIGHT LOOK
AT AND THINK, THAT'S TACKY,
THAT'S TRASH KI, THAT'S
SOMETHING YOU BUY IN A GIFT

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SHOP.
AND IT'S BLOWING IT UP AND
MAKING IT PERFECT AND SAYING
THAT THIS HAS VALUE?

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>> IT HAS MEANING, NOT
NECESSARILY VALUE.
BUT IT HAS MEANING.
>> WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF THAT?

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>> THE MESSAGE IS THAT IT IS
THERE TO BE EMBRACED, THAT IT IS
NOT TO BE MOCKED, THAT ONE
SHOULD NOT BE SMUGLY SURE OF

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ONE'S OWN TASTE TO THE POINT OF
DENYING THE POSSIBILITY OF OTHER
TASTES.
>> AND IS HE BEING HONEST ABOUT

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THAT?
>> HE'S BEING TOTALLY HONEST.
AND I THINK THAT HE HAS MADE ALL
OF THAT FAIR GAME IN A WAY THAT

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WE HAVE NOT SEEN SINCE WARHOL.
>> LIKE ANDY WARHOL, JEFF KOONS
HAS A FACTORY OF SORTS, AN
ASSEMBLY LINE OF PAINTERS

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METICULOUSLY FOLLOWING HIS
INSTRUCTIONS.
AND DOZENS OF CRAFTSMEN ALL OVER
THE WORLD HELPING MAKE HIS

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COMPLEX PIECES, WHICH ARE OFTEN
INSPIRED BY VERY SIMPLE THINGS.
>> THIS IS, LIKE, A VERY MODERN
GRANDMOTHER'S CLOSET.

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>> TURNS OUT KOONS WAS
FASCINATED BY HIS GRANDPARENTS'
PORCELAIN FIGURINES AS A CHILD
AND HAS COLLECTED HUNDREDS OF

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THEM.
HE DECIDED TO MAKE THAT $150
BALLERINA INTO A MULTIMILLION
DOLLAR EIGHT-FOOT-TALL MARBLE

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SCULPTURE.
BUT IT WOUND UP TAKING HIM 12
YEARS.
HE USED A CAT-SCAN MACHINE TO

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DIGITALLY MAP EVERY DETAIL OF
THE FIGURINE INSIDE AND OUT.
THEN IT TOOK FIVE YEARS AND THE
HELP OF MITT SCIENTISTS TO CARVE

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THOSE DETAILS INTO INSTRUCTIONS.
THE ACTUAL CARVING TOOK ANOTHER
SEVEN YEARS.
>> NOW THE WORK WILL REALLY

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PROGRESS QUICKLY --
>> WE WENT TO A WORKSHOP IN
PENNSYLVANIA TO CHECK ON THE
PROGRESS AND FOUND AYAMI A I

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CAN'T
CAN'T.
>> IT MUST BE EXHAUSTING.
I MEAN, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL AND

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MONOTONY AND DIFFICULTY OF IT IS
INCREDIBLE.
>> YEAH.
IT IS A REALLY UNIQUE JOB, I

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WOULD SAY.
>> THAT LOOKS LIKE, SORT OF, A
DENTAL TOOL.
WHAT IS THAT?

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>> THAT'S FOR SUCTION.
>> REALLY?
>> YOU'LL NOTICE JEFF KOONS
ISN'T DOING THE SCULPTING OR

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PAINTING.
HE COMES UP WITH THE IDEAS, BUT
HIS ARTISANS DO THE LABOR, WHICH
HAS LED TO CRITICISM.

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>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE MAN?
>> 30 YEARS AGO, MORLEY DID A
STORY CRITIQUING CONTEMPORARY
ART.

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>> HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY PAINT OR
SCULPT.
HE COMMISSIONS CRAFTSMEN TO DO
THAT WHILE HE GOES SHOPPING FOR

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BASKETBALLS AND VACUUM CLEANERS.
>> IS THAT A LEGITIMATE
CRITICISM.
>> IT'S A LEGITIMATE CRITICISM

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IF YOU LOOK AT ART IN A WAY THAT
YOU KIND OF WANT EVERYTHING TO
BE DONE BY THE ARTIST
THEMSELVES.

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BUT IT BECOMES VERY LIMITED WHAT
YOU CAN DO WITHIN ONE LIFE IF
YOU'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR
EVERYTHING.

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IT'S, LIKE, THE PRODUCTION OF
THIS PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.
ANDERSON, IF YOU HAD TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIGHTING, IF

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YOU HAD TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
EDITING --
>> IF I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
LIGHTING, WE WOULDN'T SEE YOU OR

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MYSELF.
>> IF YOU HAD TO BE RESPONSIBLE
FOR EVERYTHING, I MEAN, HOW MANY
PROGRAMS WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO

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CREATE
CREATE?
I'VE DESIGNED.
I'VE WORKED ON THE SYSTEMS SO

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THAT THE WHOLE PROCESS AT THE
END OF THE DAY, IT'S AS IF EVERY
MARK WAS MADE BY MYSELF.
>> AT 68, KOONS HAS REACHED A

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LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL SUCCESS FEW
ARTISTS EVER IMAGINE.
HE'S HELPED DESIGN CARS FOR BMW,
AN ALBUM COVER FOR LADY GAGA,

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EVEN A SUPERYACHT.
AND LATER THIS YEAR, HE HOPES TO
CREATE A PERMANENT ART EXHIBIT
ON THE MOON.

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HE'S MADE 125 SMALL STAINLESS
STEEL MOON SCULPTURES AND
MOUNTED THEM ON A LUNAR LANDER
THAT WILL HITCH A RIDE ABOARD A

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SPACEX ROCKET.
>> IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE
ATMOSPHERE ON THE MOON THAT
WOULD AFFECT THE LIFE SPAN OF A

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WORK?
>> ALMOST EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TREMENDOUS
RADIATION.

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YOU HAVE THE TEMPERATURE CHANGE,
AT LEAST 250 DEGREES DIFFERENCE
FROM NIGHT TO DAY.
ONE OF THE MOST INHOSPITABLE

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ENVIRONMENTS YOU COULD IMAGINE
FOR A WORK OF ART.
>> THE MOON SCULPTURES ARE FOR
SALE, OF COURSE, ALONG WITH AN

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NFT, OR NONFUNGIBLE TOKEN, WHICH
SERVES AS DIGITAL PROOF YOUR
ARTWORK IS ACTUALLY UP THERE.
YOU'LL ALSO GET ONE OF THESE

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LARGER MOONS TO SHOW OFF HERE ON
EARTH.
HE WON'T SAY HOW MUCH IT'LL COST
YOU, BUT WITH JEFF KOONS, IT'S A

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SAFE BET THE PRICE TAG WILL BE
OUT OF THIS WORLD.
THOSE SMALLER SCULPTURES FINALLY
MADE IT TO THE MOON ABOUT TWO

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WEEKS AGO, BUT IT DIDN'T EXACTLY
GO AS PLANNED.
AN INSTRUMENT MALFUNCTIONED
BEFORE TOUCHING DOWN, CAUSING

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THE LUNAR LANDER TO TILT ON ITS
SIDE.
BUT JEFF KOONS TELLS US HIS
SCULPTURES ARE INTACT AND ARE

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NOW CONSIDERED TO BE AMONG THE
FIRST WORKS OF ART ON THE MOON.
>>> "THE LAST MINUTE" OF "60
MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED

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HEALTH CARE, THERE FOR WHAT
MATTERS.
>>> IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR NEAR
THE START OF SPRING, AS MOST

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AMERICANS MAKE THE TRANSITION TO
DAY LIGHT SAVING TIME.
THIS COLLECTIVE JET LAG DOESN'T
SAVE OR STRETCH OR LENGTHEN

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DAYLIGHT.
IT ONLY MANIPULATES OUR CLOCKS.
WE CAN'T FOOL THE SUN, JUST
OURSELVES.

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WE'VE OBSERVED IT SINCE WORLD
WAR I, WHEN CONGRESS VOTED TO
SHIFT CLOCKS TO GET MORE
DAYLIGHT HOURS INTO THE WORKDAY,

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BOTH FOR FARMERS AND THEIR
FIELDS AND DEFENSE WORKERS IN
THEIR FACTORIES.
AFTER A BRIEF BREAK, IT RETURNED

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DURING WORLD WAR II.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE U.S.
SENATE VOTED TO MAKE DAYLIGHT
SAVING TIME PERMANENT, BANISHING

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STANDARD TIME FOREVER.
THE SUNSHINE PROTECTION ACT
FAILED IN THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S
BEEN REFILED THIS YEAR.

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