1 00:00:10,777 --> 00:00:16,349 >>> BIG TECH'S OUT TO GET CONSERVATIVES. THAT'S NOT A SUSPICIOUS. THAT'S NOT A HUNCH. 2 00:00:16,416 --> 00:00:22,655 THAT'S A FACT. >> CONSERVATIVES ARE MAKING SERIOUS LEGAL CHALLENGES TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES 3 00:00:22,722 --> 00:00:28,528 FREE SPEECH ON SOCIAL MEDIA SITES. WHAT ARE FACTS? WHAT IS MISINFORMATION? 4 00:00:28,595 --> 00:00:37,971 AND IS POLICING THEM CENSORSHIP? ALL OF THIS BEING DECIDED MONTHS BEFORE THE 2024 ELECTION. >> I THINK YOU LET THE AMERICAN 5 00:00:38,037 --> 00:00:45,879 PEOPLE RESPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEIR COMMON SENSE, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S ACCURATE, WHAT ISN'T. 6 00:00:45,945 --> 00:00:52,886 >>> THE CRISIS ON THE U.S. SOUTHERN BORDER HAS EMERGED AS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES IN THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL 7 00:00:52,952 --> 00:01:02,962 ELECTION. BUT IT'S THIS PRESIDENT, MEXICO'S CONTROVERSIAL ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR WHO MAY 8 00:01:03,029 --> 00:01:09,068 HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS THERE THAN ANYONE. >> YOUR CRITICS HAVE SAID WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING 9 00:01:09,135 --> 00:01:17,510 FOR TO SECURE THE BORDER, IS DIPLOMATIC BLACKMAIL. >>> 168 COUNTRIES, INCLUDING CHINA, HAVE SIGNED ON TO THE 10 00:01:17,577 --> 00:01:25,418 UNITED NATIONS LAW OF THE SEA, A TREATY THAT DIVVIES UP THE INTERNATIONAL SEABED FOR THE MINING OF PRECIOUS METALS, VITAL 11 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:30,490 FOR EVERYTHING FROM ELECTRIC CARS TO DEFENSE SYSTEMS. ABSENT FROM THE TREATY, THE UNITED STATES. 12 00:01:30,557 --> 00:01:39,999 >> THE UNITED STATES PROBABLY HAS GOT THE MOST TO GAIN OF ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IF IT WERE PARTY TO THE LAW OF THE SEA 13 00:01:40,066 --> 00:01:46,339 CONVENTION. AND CONVERSELY, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST TO LOSE BY NOT BEING PART OF IT. 14 00:01:46,406 --> 00:01:50,143 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. 15 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:55,949 >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT 16 00:01:56,015 --> 00:02:17,203 ON "60 MINUTES." >>> THIS PORTION OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY PROGRESSIVE >>> AS BIG TECH FIRMS WRESTLE 17 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:26,846 WITH HOW TO KEEP FALSE AND HARMFUL INFORMATION OFF THEIR SOCIAL NETWORKS, THE SUPREME COURT IS WRESTLING WITH WHETHER 18 00:02:26,913 --> 00:02:34,420 PLATFORMS, LIKE FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, NOW CALLED X, HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT USERS CAN SAY ON THEIR SITES. 19 00:02:34,487 --> 00:02:42,328 THE DISPUTE CENTERS ON A PAIR OF LAWS PASSED IN THE RED STATES OF FLORIDA AND TEXAS OVER THE QUESTION OF FIRST AMENDMENT 20 00:02:42,395 --> 00:02:50,737 RIGHTS ON THE INTERNET. THE SUPREME COURT IS CONSIDERING WHETHER THE PLATFORMS ARE LIKE NEWSPAPERS, WHICH HAVE FREE 21 00:02:50,803 --> 00:03:00,146 SPEECH RIGHTS TO MAKE THEIR OWN EDITORIAL DECISIONS, OR IF THEY'RE MORE LIKE TELEPHONE COMPANIES THAT MERELY TRANSMIT 22 00:03:00,213 --> 00:03:08,788 EVERYONE'S SPEECH. IF THE LAWS ARE UPHELD, THE PLATFORMS COULD BE FORCED TO CARRY HATE SPEECH AND FALSE 23 00:03:08,855 --> 00:03:17,230 MEDICAL INFORMATION, THE VERY CONTENT MOST BIG TECH COMPANIES HAVE SPENT YEARS TRYING TO REMOVE THROUGH TEAMS OF CONTENT 24 00:03:17,297 --> 00:03:23,803 MODERATORS. BUT IN THE PROCESS, CONSERVATIVES CLAIM THAT THE COMPANIES HAVE ENGAGED IN A 25 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:33,713 CONSPIRACY TO SUPPRESS THEIR SPEECH. AS IN THIS CASE, A TWEET IN 2022 FROM CONGRESSWOMAN MARJORIE 26 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:41,854 TAYLOR GREENE FALSELY CLAIMING THAT THERE WERE EXTREMELY HIGH AMOUNTS OF COVID VACCINE DEATHS. >> I HAVE NOT MISLED ANYONE. 27 00:03:41,921 --> 00:03:48,895 I HAVE NOT PUT OUT MISINFORMATION. >> Reporter: TWITTER EVENTUALLY BANNED GREENE'S PERSONAL ACCOUNT 28 00:03:48,962 --> 00:03:57,337 FOR MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS OF ITS COVID POLICY. FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE ALSO REMOVED OR LABELLED POSTS THEY 29 00:03:57,403 --> 00:04:02,609 DEEMED MISINFORMATION. >> BIG TECH'S OUT TO GET CONSERVATIVES. THAT'S NOT A SUSPICION. 30 00:04:02,675 --> 00:04:08,147 THAT'S NOT A HUNCH. THAT'S A FACT. >> Reporter: CONFRONTED WITH CRITICISMS FROM CONSERVATIVES, 31 00:04:08,214 --> 00:04:14,988 LIKE CONGRESSMAN JIM JORDAN, THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES WERE CENSORING THEIR VIEWS AND BECAUSE OF COST CUTTING, 32 00:04:15,054 --> 00:04:23,229 PLATFORMS BEGAN DOWN SIZING THEIR FACT-CHECKING TEAMS. SO, TODAY SOCIAL MEDIA IS TEEMING WITH MISINFORMATION, 33 00:04:23,296 --> 00:04:32,972 LIKE THESE POSTS SUGGESTING TANKS ARE MOVING ACROSS THE TEXAS-MEXICO BORDER. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY FOOTAGE FROM 34 00:04:33,039 --> 00:04:42,115 CHILE. THESE ARE A.I.-GENERATED IMAGES OF -- WELL, SEE FOR YOURSELF. WITH SOCIAL MEDIA MODERATION 35 00:04:42,181 --> 00:04:50,823 TEAMS SHRINKING, A NEW TARGET IS MISINFORMATION, ACADEMIC RESEARCHERS, WHO BEGAN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE PLATFORMS AFTER 36 00:04:50,890 --> 00:05:00,600 EVIDENCE OF RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE ONLINE IN THE 2016 ELECTION. ARE RESEARCHERS BEING CHILLED? >> ABSOLUTELY. 37 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:09,642 >> Reporter: KATE STARBIRD IS A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON, A PROFFORMER PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER, 38 00:05:09,709 --> 00:05:17,383 AND THE LEADER OF A MISINFORMATION GROUP CREATED AHEAD OF THE 2020 ELECTION. >> WHERP LOOKING AT 39 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:23,690 MISINFORMATION ABOUT ELECTION PROCESSES PRORKS SEED PROCESSES, PROCEDURES, AND ELECTION RESULTS. 40 00:05:23,756 --> 00:05:29,495 AND IF WE SAW SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD PASS IT ALONG TO THE PLATFORMS IF WE THOUGHT IT VIOLATED ONE OF THEIR POLICIES. 41 00:05:29,562 --> 00:05:36,369 >> Reporter: HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, A NOVEMBER 2020 TWEET SAYING THAT ELECTION SOFTWARE IN MICHIGAN SWITCHED 6,000 VOTES 42 00:05:36,436 --> 00:05:45,244 FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN. THE RESEARCHERS ALERTED TWITTER, THAT THEN DECIDED TO LABEL IT WITH A WARNING. 43 00:05:45,311 --> 00:05:51,250 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE RESEARCHERS, INCLUDING YOU, HAVE HAD SOME THREATS AGAINST THEM, DEATH THREATS. 44 00:05:51,317 --> 00:05:57,523 >> I HAVE RECEIVED ONE. SOMETIMES THERE ARE THREATS WITH SOMETHING BEHIND THEM, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST THERE TO 45 00:05:57,590 --> 00:06:01,561 MAKE YOU NERVOUS AND UNCOMFORTABLE. AND IT'S HARD TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. 46 00:06:01,627 --> 00:06:06,399 >> THIS CAMPAIGN AGAINST YOU IS MEANT TO DISCREDIT YOU. SO, WE WON'T BELIEVE YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. 47 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:12,905 IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT PUSHED VOTER FRAUD LIES ARE SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DISCREDIT RESEARCHERS 48 00:06:12,972 --> 00:06:20,513 THAT ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM. >> DID YOUR RESEARCH FIND THAT THERE WAS MORE MISINFORMATION 49 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:27,153 SPREAD BY CONSERVATIVES? ZB >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK NOT JUST OUR RESEARCH, 50 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:32,358 RESEARCH ACROSS THE BOARD LOOKING AT THE 2020 ELECTION, FOUND THAT THERE WAS MORE MISINFORMATION SPREAD BY PEOPLE 51 00:06:32,425 --> 00:06:40,266 THAT WERE SUPPORTERS OF DONALD TRUMP OR CONSERVATIVES. AND THE EVENTS OF JANUARY 6 KIND OF UNDERSCORE THIS. 52 00:06:40,333 --> 00:06:45,605 >> [ CROWD CHANTING ] USA. >> THE FOLKS CLIMBING UP THE CAPITAL BUILDING WERE SUPPORTERS OF DONALD TRUMP. 53 00:06:45,671 --> 00:06:53,913 AND THEY WERE MISINFORMED BY THESE FALSE CLAIMS AND THAT MOTIVATED THOSE ACTIONS. 54 00:06:53,980 --> 00:06:57,483 >> THIS IS WRONG. WE KNOW IT'S WRONG, AND IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE FIRST AMENDMENT. 55 00:06:57,550 --> 00:07:07,193 >> OHIO REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN JIM JORDAN IS CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. >> SO, HOW BIG A PROBLEM IS MIS- 56 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:14,066 AND DISINFORMATION ON THE WEB? >> I THINK THERE'S SOME, BUT OUR CONCERN IS THE BIGGER PROBLEM OF THE ATTACK ON FIRST AMENDMENT 57 00:07:14,133 --> 00:07:19,872 LIBERTIES. >> CONGRESSMAN JORDAN'S JUDICIARY COMMITTEE PRODUCED A REPORT THAT CONCLUDED THERE'S A 58 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:30,483 CENSORSHIP INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND TECH COMPANIES COLLUDED WITH ACADEMIC RESEARCHERS TO 59 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:36,255 DISPROPORTIONATELY SILENCE CONSERVATIVES, WHICH KATE STARBIRD VIGOROUSLY DENIES. BUT CONGRESSMAN JORDAN SAYS HER 60 00:07:36,322 --> 00:07:43,963 GROUP UNFAIRLY FLAGGED POSTS, LIKE THIS TWEET FROM NEWT GINGRICH. PENNSYLVANIA DEMOCRATS ARE 61 00:07:44,030 --> 00:07:51,604 METHODICALLY CHANGING THE RULES SO THEY CAN STEAL THE ELECTION. >> WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK AND TO SPEAK IN 62 00:07:51,671 --> 00:07:58,578 A POLITICAL FASHION AND NOT HAVE THE GOVERNMENT COME AFTER YOU FOR DOING SO. >> Reporter: HE COMPLAINS THAT 63 00:07:58,644 --> 00:08:05,051 GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS PUT PRESSURE ON SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES DIRECTLY. >> AND A GREAT EXAMPLE, 36 HOURS 64 00:08:05,117 --> 00:08:12,158 INTO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THE BIDEN WHITE HOUSE SENDS A EMAIL TO TWITTER AND SAYS, WE THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE DOWN THIS 65 00:08:12,225 --> 00:08:18,064 TWEET ASAP. >> Reporter: JUST A CALL ALONE FROM THE GOVERNMENT, HE SAYS, CAN BE UNNERVING. 66 00:08:18,130 --> 00:08:28,341 >> YOU CAN'T HAVE THE GOVERNMENT SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO DO X, GOVERNMENT, WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THESE PRIVATE 67 00:08:28,407 --> 00:08:32,311 COMPANIES. >> Reporter: HE SAYS THAT WHITE HOUSE EMAIL TO TWITTER INVOLVED A TWEET FROM -- 68 00:08:32,378 --> 00:08:38,718 >> ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR., AND EVERYTHING IN THE TWEET WAS TRUE. >> Reporter: THAT TWEET IMPLIED 69 00:08:38,784 --> 00:08:45,224 FALSELY THAT BASEBALL LEGEND HANK AARON'S DEATH WAS CAUSED BY THE COVID VACCINE. >> DID THEY TAKE -- 70 00:08:45,291 --> 00:08:50,596 >> TURNED OUT THEY DID IT. THANK GOODNESS. >> Reporter: AND THAT POST IS STILL UP. 71 00:08:50,663 --> 00:08:57,503 KATE STARBIRD SAYS THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ALSO OFTEN IGNORED THE RESEARCHERS' SUGGESTIONS. 72 00:08:57,570 --> 00:09:03,743 >> THE STATISTICS I'VE SEEN ARE JUST FOR THE TWITTER PLATFORM, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY RESPONDED TO ABOUT 30% OF 73 00:09:03,809 --> 00:09:10,516 THE THINGS THAT WE SENT THEM. AND I THINK ON THE MAJORITY OF THOSE, THEY PUT LABELS. >> BUT JUST A THIRD. 74 00:09:10,583 --> 00:09:15,655 >> BUT JUST A THIRD, YEAH. >> DO YOU SUSPECT THAT FACEBOOK WAS THE SAME? >> OH, YEAH. 75 00:09:15,721 --> 00:09:22,995 >> THESE PLATFORMS HAVE THEIR OWN FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. >> KATIE HARBATH SPENT A DECADE AT FACEBOOK, WHERE SHE HELPED 76 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:29,135 DEVELOP ITS POLICIES AROUND ELECTION MISINFORMATION. WHEN SHE WAS THERE, SHE SAYS IT WAS NOT UNUSUAL FOR THE 77 00:09:29,201 --> 00:09:37,510 GOVERNMENT TO ASK FACEBOOK TO REMOVE CONTENT, WHICH IS PROPER AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT COERCING. 78 00:09:37,576 --> 00:09:44,183 >> CONSERVATIVES ARE ALLEGING THAT THE PLATFORMS WERE TAKING DOWN CONTENT AT THE BEHEST OF THE GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS NOT 79 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:50,156 TRUE. THE PLATFORMS MADE THEIR OWN DECISIONS, AND MANY TIMES WE WERE PUSHING BACK ON THE 80 00:09:50,222 --> 00:09:58,431 GOVERNMENT. >> CAN WE TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC CASE? IT'S OF NANCY PELOSI. 81 00:09:58,497 --> 00:10:05,471 IT'S A DOCTORED TAPE WHERE SHE'S -- SHE LOOKS DRUNK. >> WE WANT TO GIVE THIS PRESIDENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO 82 00:10:05,538 --> 00:10:12,311 SOMETHING HISTORIC. >> Reporter: THIS WAS THE VIDEO OF THEN-HOUSE SPEAKER PELOSI POSTED TO FACEBOOK IN 2019 83 00:10:12,378 --> 00:10:18,551 SLOWED DOWN TO MAKE IT SEEM THAT SHE WAS SLURRING HER WORDS. >> DID IT COME DOWN? >> IT DID NOT. 84 00:10:18,617 --> 00:10:25,691 >> WHY? >> BECAUSE IT DIDN'T VIOLATE THE POLICIES THAT THEY HAD. >> SO, DID SHE PUT PRESSURE ON 85 00:10:25,758 --> 00:10:32,798 THE COMPANY TO TAKE IT DOWN? >> SHE WAS DEFINITELY NOT PLEASED. SHE DEFINITELY -- YES. 86 00:10:32,865 --> 00:10:39,271 AND IT REALLY DAMAGED THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THE COMPANY HAD WITH HER. >> Reporter: THE CONSERVATIVES' 87 00:10:39,338 --> 00:10:47,713 CAMPAIGN FACED A SETBACK AT THE SUPREME COURT ON MONDAY, WHEN A MAJORITY OF THE JUSTICES SEEMED POISED TO REJECT THEIR EFFORT TO 88 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:55,187 LIMIT ATTEMPTS BY THE GOVERNMENT TO INFLUENCE SOCIAL MEDIA. THE COURT IS DECIDING IN SEPARATE CASES WHETHER THE 89 00:10:55,254 --> 00:11:02,595 PLATFORMS ARE LIKE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS, WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CONTROL WHO AND WHAT INFORMATION APPEARS ON 90 00:11:02,661 --> 00:11:10,169 THEIR SITES. CONGRESSMAN JORDAN ARGUES THAT THE TECH COMPANIES SHOULDN'T REMOVE MOST OF WHAT THEY CALL 91 00:11:10,236 --> 00:11:16,709 MISINFORMATION. >> I THINK YOU LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE RESPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEIR COMMON SENSE, TO 92 00:11:16,776 --> 00:11:21,981 FIGURE OUT WHAT'S ACCURATE, WHAT ISN'T. >> WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WAS 93 00:11:22,048 --> 00:11:28,821 STOLEN? YOU THINK THAT THESE COMPANIES SHOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO SAY THAT AND INDIVIDUALS CAN MAKE UP 94 00:11:28,888 --> 00:11:34,560 THEIR OWN MIND -- >> I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SMART. LOOK, I'VE NOT SAID THAT. 95 00:11:34,627 --> 00:11:39,565 WHAT I'VE SAID IS THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION. I THINK AMERICANS AGREE WITH 96 00:11:39,632 --> 00:11:44,470 THAT. >> NO, THEY DON'T. >> YOU DON'T THINK THEY THINK THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH THE 97 00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:49,475 2020 LEK. >> MOST PEOPLE DON'T QUESTION THE RESULT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 98 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:55,648 THEY DON'T QUESTION WHETHER BIDEN WON OR NOT. RIGHT? RIGHT? 99 00:11:55,714 --> 00:11:58,384 >> WHAT? >> MOST PEOPLE DON'T QUESTION THE OUTCOME. >> RIGHT. 100 00:11:58,451 --> 00:12:07,760 >> X BASICALLY DID WHAT JORDAN PROPOSES. AFTER ELON MUSK TOOK OVER IN 2022, MOST OF ITS FACT CHECKERS 101 00:12:07,827 --> 00:12:16,368 WERE FIRED. NOW THE SITE IS RIFE WITH TRASH TALK AND LIES. LITTLE WOULD YOU KNOW THAT THIS, 102 00:12:16,435 --> 00:12:25,744 SAID TO BE FOOTAGE FROM GAZA, IS REALLY FROM A VIDEO GAME. EVENTUALLY X USERS ADDED A WARNING LABEL. 103 00:12:25,811 --> 00:12:34,653 IN THIS POST, PICTURES OF REAL BABIES KILLED IN ISRAELI STRIKES ARE FALSELY DISMISSED AS DOLLS. >> THE TOOTH PASTE IS OUT OF THE 104 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:40,092 TUBE AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THE RESULTING MESS. >> Reporter: DARRELL WEST, A 105 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:49,335 SENIOR FELLOW OF TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION AT THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION SAYS THE CLASH OVER WHAT IS TRUE IS FRAYING OUR 106 00:12:49,401 --> 00:12:57,176 INSTITUTIONS AND THREATENING DEMOCRACIES AROUND THE WORLD. >> HALF OF THE WORLD IS VOTING THIS YEAR, AND THE WORLD COULD 107 00:12:57,243 --> 00:13:04,083 STICK WITH DEMOCRACY OR MOVE TOWARDS AUTHORITARIANISM. THE DANGER IS DISINFORMATION COULD DECIDE THE ELECTIONS IN A 108 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:11,557 NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. >> Reporter: IN THE U.S., HE SAYS, THE RIGHT WING HAS BEEN FLOODING THE INTERNET WITH REAMS 109 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:19,899 OF MISLEADING INFORMATION IN RDER TO CONFUSE THE PUBLIC. AND HE'S ALARMED BY THE CAMPAIGN TO SILENCE THE ACADEMIC 110 00:13:19,965 --> 00:13:27,840 RESEARCHERS WHO HAVE HAD TO SPEND MONEY AND TIME ON DEMANDS FROM JIM JORDAN'S JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. 111 00:13:27,907 --> 00:13:39,552 >> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE ACCUSATION THAT GOING AFTER THESE RESEARCHERS, MISINFORMATION RESEARCHERS, IS 112 00:13:39,618 --> 00:13:47,593 TANTAMOUNT TO HARASSMENT AND THAT YOUR GOAL REALLY IS TO CHILL THE RESEARCH. >> I FIND IT INTERESTING YOU USE 113 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:52,131 THE WORD "CHILL" BECAUSE IN EFFECT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS CHILLING FIRST AMENDMENT FREE SPEECH RIGHTS. 114 00:13:52,198 --> 00:13:59,338 WHEN THEY'RE WORKING IN AN EFFORT TO SENSOR AMERICANS, THAT'S A CHILLING IMPACT ON SPEECH. 115 00:13:59,405 --> 00:14:05,578 >> THEY SAY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS -- >> US POINTING OUT, US DOING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY OF OVERSIGHT 116 00:14:05,644 --> 00:14:13,185 OVER THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, AND SOMEHOW WE'RE CENSORING? THAT MAKES NO SENSE. >> WE -- AMERICANS, WE'RE 117 00:14:13,252 --> 00:14:18,190 LOOKING AT THE SAME THING AND SEEING A DIFFERENT TRUTH. >> WE MIGHT SEE DIFFERENT THINGS. 118 00:14:18,257 --> 00:14:22,194 I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT TRUTHS BECAUSE TRUTH IS TRUTH. >> OKAY. 119 00:14:22,261 --> 00:14:26,432 THE RESESARCHERS SAY THEY'RE BEING CHILLED. THAT'S THEIR TRUTH. >> YEAH. 120 00:14:26,498 --> 00:14:30,703 >> YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT. SO, WHAT'S THE TRUTH? >> THEY CAN DO THEIR RESEARCH. GOD BLESS THEM. 121 00:14:30,769 --> 00:14:39,411 DO ALL THE RESEARCH YOU WANT. DON'T USE -- DON'T SAY, WE THINK THIS PARTICULAR TWEET IS NOT TRUE -- 122 00:14:39,478 --> 00:14:45,684 >> WELL, THAT'S THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO SAY THAT. >> THEY CAN SAY THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T TAKE IT DOWN. 123 00:14:45,751 --> 00:14:49,888 >> THEY CAN TAKE IT DOWN AND THEY DON'T. THEY JUST SEND THEIR INFORMATION TO THE COMPANIES. 124 00:14:49,955 --> 00:14:55,294 >> BUT WHEN THEY'RE COORDINATING WITH GOVERNMENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. >> OF COURSE THEY DENY THEY'RE 125 00:14:55,361 --> 00:15:02,034 COORDINATING. >> WE JUST WENT ROUND AND ROUND. >> I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO MEASURE THE SHIFTING MEANING OF 126 00:15:02,101 --> 00:15:08,340 MISINFORMATION. >> Reporter: STARBIRD SAYS SHE AND HER TEAM FEEL INTIMIDATED BY THE CONSERVATIVES' CAMPAIGN. 127 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:14,647 SO, WHILE THEY WILL CONTINUE RELEASING THEIR RESEARCH REPORTS ON MISINFORMATION, THEY WILL NO LONGER SEND THEIR FINDINGS TO 128 00:15:14,713 --> 00:15:26,392 THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. >>> HOW PREBUNKING MISINFORMATION WORKS. >> WE WANT TO EMPOWER PEOPLE TO 129 00:15:26,458 --> 00:15:39,405 SEE THROUGH MANIPULATION AND MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND. >> AT >>> IMMIGRATION, THE BORDER, AND 130 00:15:39,471 --> 00:15:46,145 THE ECONOMY HAVE EMERGED AS KEY ISSUES IN THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND MAY DETERMINE WHO WINS THE WHITE 131 00:15:46,211 --> 00:15:53,752 HOUSE. BUT THE PERSON WHO COULD TIP THE SCALES FOR EITHER CANDIDATE IS ANOTHER PRESIDENT, MEXICO'S 132 00:15:53,819 --> 00:16:02,695 PRESIDENT, ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR, WIDELY KNOWN BY HIS INITIALS, AMLO. CHARISMATIC AND OFTEN COMBATIC, 133 00:16:02,761 --> 00:16:14,173 AMLO WON A LANDSLIDE VICTORY IN 2018 ON THE PROMISE TO ROOT OUT CORRUPTION, REDUCE POVERTY AND VIOLENT CRIME. 134 00:16:14,239 --> 00:16:22,915 NOW 70 YEARS OLD AND IN THE FINAL STRETCH OF HIS TERM, WE MET THE PRESIDENT FOR A KAND DID CONVERSATION ABOUT IMMIGRATION, 135 00:16:22,981 --> 00:16:28,220 TRADE, THE FENTANYL CRISIS, AND THE CARTELS. AND HE TELLS US WHY HE THINKS WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE'S 136 00:16:28,287 --> 00:16:34,793 GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDER OR BUILD A WALL, HE'S BLUFFING. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP IS SAYING HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL AGAIN. 137 00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:39,865 >> Translator: ON THE CAMPAIGN. >> BUT YOU DON'T THINK HE'D ACTUALLY DO IT? >> Translator: NO, NO. 138 00:16:39,932 --> 00:16:46,271 >> BECAUSE HE NEEDS MEXICO. >> Translator: BECAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER VERY WELL, WE SIGNED AN ECONOMIC, A 139 00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:51,577 COMMERCIAL AGREEMENT, THAT HAS BEEN FAVORABLE FOR BOTH PEOPLES, FOR BOTH NATIONS. HE KNOWS IT, AND PRESIDENT 140 00:16:51,643 --> 00:16:56,849 BIDEN, THE SAME. >> BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WILL SAY, OH, BUT THE WALL WORKS. 141 00:16:56,915 --> 00:17:04,022 >> Translator: IT DOESN'T WORK. >> AND PRESIDENT LOPEZ OBRADOR SAYS HE TOLD THAT TO THEN-PRESIDENT TRUMP DURING A 142 00:17:04,089 --> 00:17:09,461 PHONE CALL. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING THE PANDEMIC. >> Translator: IT WAS AN 143 00:17:09,528 --> 00:17:13,232 AGREEMENT NOT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE WALL BECAUSE WE WERE NOT GOING TO AGREE. >> AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT IT. 144 00:17:13,298 --> 00:17:20,205 >> Translator: THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME. AND I TOLD HIM, I'M GOING TO SEND YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, SOME 145 00:17:20,272 --> 00:17:29,515 VIDEOS OF TUNNELS FROM TIJUANA UP TO SAN DIEGO THAT PASS RIGHT UNDER U.S. CUSTOMS. HE STAYED QUIET, AND THEN HE 146 00:17:29,581 --> 00:17:36,822 STARTED LAUGHING AND TOLD ME, I CAN'T WIN WITH YOU. >> Reporter: WE MET PRESIDENT ANDRES MANUEL LOPEZ OBRADOR AT 147 00:17:36,889 --> 00:17:44,363 MEXICO'S NATIONAL PALACE EARLIER THIS MONTH. WITH SIX MONTHS LEFT ON HIS SIX-YEAR TERM, LOPEZ OBRADOR'S 148 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:50,569 POWER IN MEXICO AND INFLUENCE IN THE UNITED STATES HAS NEVER BEEN GREATER. THE WHITE HOUSE WITNESSED IT 149 00:17:50,636 --> 00:18:00,078 HERE LAST DECEMBER WHEN A RECORD 250,000 MIGRANTS OVERWHELMED THE U.S. SOUTHERN BORDER WITH MEXICO. 150 00:18:00,145 --> 00:18:09,421 PRESIDENT BIDEN CALLED YOU. HE SENT HIS SECRETARY OF STATE. WHAT DID THEY SAY TO YOU, AND WHAT DID THEY ASK FOR FROM YOU? 151 00:18:09,488 --> 00:18:15,761 >> Translator: FOR US TO TRY TO CONTROL THE FLOW OF MIGRATION. >> Reporter: A MONTH LATER, U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL REPORT 152 00:18:15,828 --> 00:18:22,901 THE NUMBER OF MIGRANT CROSSINGS DROPPED BY 50%. >> SO, WHAT DID YOU DO BETWEEN DECEMBER AND JANUARY THAT 153 00:18:22,968 --> 00:18:28,607 CHANGED THAT NUMBER SO DRAMATICALLY? >> Translator: WE WERE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT OUR SOUTHERN 154 00:18:28,674 --> 00:18:33,645 BORDER. WE SPOKE WITH THE PRESIDENTS OF CENTRAL AMERICA WITH THE PRESIDENT OF VENEZUELA, AND WITH 155 00:18:33,712 --> 00:18:40,419 THE PRESIDENT OF CUBA. WE ASKED THEM FOR HELP IN CURBING THE FLOW OF MIGRANTS. HOWEVER, THAT IS A SHORT-TERM 156 00:18:40,486 --> 00:18:47,659 SOLUTION, NOT A LONG-TERM ONE. >> Reporter: MEXICO ALSO INCREASED PATROLS AT THE BORDER, FLYING SOME MIGRANTS TO THE 157 00:18:47,726 --> 00:18:54,933 SOUTHERN PART OF MEXICO AND DEPORTING OTHERS. BUT BY FEBRUARY, THE NUMBER OF MIGRANTS CROSSING INTO THE U.S. 158 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,972 BEGAN TO RISE AGAIN. AND THE BORDER PATROL EXPECTS A SHARP INCREASE IN THAT NUMBER IN SPRING. 159 00:19:00,038 --> 00:19:06,712 >> EVERYBODY THINKS YOU HAVE THE POWER IN THIS MOMENT TO SLOW DOWN MIGRATION. DO YOU PLAN TO? 160 00:19:06,778 --> 00:19:14,419 >> Translator: WE DO AND WANT TO CONTINUE DOING IT. BUT WE DO WANT FOR THE ROOT CAUSES TO BE ATTENDED TO, FOR 161 00:19:14,486 --> 00:19:23,428 THEM TO BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT. >> Reporter: WITH THE EAR OF THE WHITE HOUSE, PRESIDENT LOPEZ OBRADOR PROPOSED HIS FIX THAT 162 00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:31,970 THE UNITED STATES COMMIT $20 BILLION A YEAR TO POOR COUNTRIES IN LATIN AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN, LIFT SANCTIONS ON 163 00:19:32,037 --> 00:19:40,145 VENEZUELA, AND THE CUBAN EMBARGO, AND LEGALIZE MILLIONS OF LAW-ABIDING MEXICANS LIVING IN THE U.S. 164 00:19:40,212 --> 00:19:44,917 >> IF THEY DON'T DO THE THINGS YOU'VE SAID NEED TO BE DONE, THEN WHAT? >> Translator: THE FLOW OF 165 00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:54,526 MIGRANTS WILL CONTINUE. >> YOUR CRITICS HAVE SAID WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TO HELP SECURE THE BORDER, 166 00:19:54,593 --> 00:19:58,730 IS DIPLOMATIC BLACKMAIL. WHAT DO YOU SAY? >> Translator: I'M SPEAKING FRANKLY. 167 00:19:58,797 --> 00:20:04,503 WE HAVE TO SAY THINGS AS THEY ARE. AND I ALWAYS SAY WHAT I FEEL. I ALWAYS SAY WHAT I THINK. 168 00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:12,444 >> IF THEY DON'T DO THOSE THINGS, WILL YOU CONTINUE TO HELP TO SECURE THE BORDER? >> Translator: YES, BECAUSE OUR 169 00:20:12,511 --> 00:20:22,888 RELATIONSHIP IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT IS FUNDAMENTAL. >> Reporter: FOR MUCH OF THE LAST SIX YEARS, PRESIDENT LOPEZ 170 00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:29,728 OBRADOR HAS HELD A TELEVISED 7:00 A.M. PRESS CONFERENCE FIVE DAYS A WEEK. DURING OUR VISIT, HE WAS 171 00:20:29,795 --> 00:20:37,603 DISSECTING FAKE NEWS. THE BRIEFING LASTED MORE THAN TWO HOURS. >> IS IT A PULPIT, OR IS IT A 172 00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:46,044 PRESS CONFERENCE? >> Translator: IT IS A CIRCULAR DIALOGUE, EVEN THOUGH MY OPPONENTS SAY I'M ON A PULPIT. 173 00:20:46,111 --> 00:20:52,818 >> Reporter: TIME IS THE ONLY LUXURY AMLO SEEMS COMFORTABLE SPENDING. WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE, HE SOLD THE 174 00:20:52,884 --> 00:20:58,190 PRESIDENTIAL JET AND BULLET PROOF CARS IN FAVOR OF HIS VOLKSWAGEN. HE USES HIS DAILY BRIEFINGS TO 175 00:20:58,256 --> 00:21:06,398 RAIL AGAINST THE ELITE AND ENEMIES, REAL AND PERCEIVED. AT TIMES, IT CAN FEEL LIKE A POLITICAL TELEKNOW VELA. 176 00:21:06,465 --> 00:21:15,273 IN A BRIEFING LAST MONTH, THE PRESIDENT STUNNED THE AUDIENCE WHEN HE READ THE CELL PHONE NUMBER OF A "NEW YORK TIMES" 177 00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:20,579 REPORTER, WHO WAS PURSUING WHAT HE VIEWED AS A POLITICAL STORY OF HIM. >> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE 178 00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:27,019 THREATENING THAT REPORTER. >> Reporter: I DIDN'T DO IT WITH THE INTENTION OF HARMING HER. SHE, LIKE YOURSELF, ARE PUBLIC 179 00:21:27,085 --> 00:21:32,858 FIGURES, AND I AM AS WELL. >> BUT YOU KNOW THIS IS A DANGEROUS PLACE FOR REPORTERS AND YOU KNOW THAT THREATS OFTEN 180 00:21:32,924 --> 00:21:40,932 COME IN TEXTS AND PHONES. WHEN YOU PUT HER PHONE NUMBER UP BEHIND YOU, YOU REALIZED WHAT YOU WERE DOING. 181 00:21:40,999 --> 00:21:44,903 >> Reporter: NO >> NO, NO, NO. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING? 182 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:50,909 >> Translator: IT'S A FORM OF RESPONDING TO A LIBEL. IMAGINE WHAT IT MEANS FOR THIS REPORTER TO WRITE THAT THE 183 00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:55,614 PRESIDENT OF MEXICO HAS CONNECTIONS WITH DRUG TRAFFICKERS AND WITHOUT HAVING ANY PROOF. 184 00:21:55,681 --> 00:22:03,455 THAT'S A VILE SLANDER. >> SO, WHY NOT JUST SAY IT'S NOT TRUE? >> Translator: BECAUSE LIBEL, 185 00:22:03,522 --> 00:22:09,695 WHEN IT DOESN'T STAIN, IT SMEARS. >> Reporter: LOPEZ OBRADOR'S BARE-KNUCKLE BRAWLS WITH THE 186 00:22:09,761 --> 00:22:18,870 PRESS ARE IN SHARP CONTRAST TO THE SOFTER APPROACH HE'S TAKEN WITH THE DRUG CARTELS. HE DISSOLVED THE POLICE AND 187 00:22:18,937 --> 00:22:24,276 CREATED A NATIONAL GUARD TO TAKE OVER SECURITY. HE INVESTED MILLIONS TO INVEST IN JOBS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO 188 00:22:24,342 --> 00:22:32,050 ESCAPE THE GRIP OF THE CARTELS. ACCORDING TO THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT, HOMICIDES HAVE DROPPED ALMOST 20% SINCE HE TOOK 189 00:22:32,117 --> 00:22:38,890 OFFICE. THE PRESIDENT CALLS HIS APPROACH, HUGS NOT BULLETS. >> HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT FOR 190 00:22:38,957 --> 00:22:44,529 MEXICO? >> Translator: VERY WELL. >> THERE ARE STILL 30,000 HOMICIDES IN MEXICO, AND VERY 191 00:22:44,596 --> 00:22:50,268 FEW OF THOSE ARE PROSECUTED. SO, THERE'S AN IDEA THERE'S STILL LAWLESSNESS IN MEXICO. IS THAT FAIR? 192 00:22:50,335 --> 00:22:57,242 >> Translator: OF COURSE WE PROSECUTE THEM. THERE'S NO IMPUNITY IN MEXICO. THEY ALL GET PROSECUTED. 193 00:22:57,309 --> 00:23:05,417 >> IT'S A SMALL PERCENT. >> Translator: MORE THAN BEFORE. >> ACCORDING TO A MEXICAN THINK TANK, ABOUT 5% OF THE COUNTRY'S 194 00:23:05,484 --> 00:23:12,791 HOMICIDES ARE PROSECUTED. AND A STUDY LAST YEAR REPORTED CARTELS HAVE EXPANDED THEIR REACH, EMPLOYING AN ESTIMATED 195 00:23:12,858 --> 00:23:19,498 175,000 PEOPLE TO EXTORT BUSINESSES AND TRAFFIC MIGRANTS AND DRUGS INTO THE U.S. >> CAN YOU REACH THE CARTEL AND 196 00:23:19,564 --> 00:23:24,503 SAY, KNOCK IT OFF? >> NO, NO, NO. >> Translator: WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH THE CRIMINALS IS APPLY 197 00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:31,543 THE LAW. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ESTABLISH CONTACT/COMMUNICATION WITH A CRIMINAL, THE PRESIDENT OF 198 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:34,880 MEXICO. >> ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THEM OR COMMUNICATE WITH THEM? 199 00:23:34,946 --> 00:23:41,720 >> NO, NO, NO. >> Translator: BECAUSE YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH CRIMINALS. >> THE HEAD OF THE DEA SAYS 200 00:23:41,787 --> 00:23:48,126 CARTELS ARE MASS PRODUCING FENTANYL. THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT HAS SAID THAT MOST OF IT IS COMING 201 00:23:48,193 --> 00:23:55,867 UT OF MEXICO. ARE THEY WRONG? >> Translator: YES. OR RATHER, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL 202 00:23:55,934 --> 00:24:01,039 THE INFORMATION BECAUSE FENTANYL IS ALSO PRODUCED IN THE UNITED STATES. >> THE STATE DEPARTMENT SAYS 203 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:09,247 MOST OF IT'S COMING FROM MEXICO. >> Reporter: FENTANYL IS PRODUCED IN THE UNITED STATES, IN CANADA, AND IN MEXICO. 204 00:24:09,314 --> 00:24:15,787 AND THE CHEMICAL PRECURSORS COME FROM ASIA. DO YOU KNOW WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE DRUG CONSUMPTION THAT YOU 205 00:24:15,854 --> 00:24:22,761 HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES? BECAUSE WE HAVE CUSTOMS, TRADITIONS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM OF THE 206 00:24:22,828 --> 00:24:28,533 DISINTEGRATION OF THE FAMILY. >> BUT THERE IS DRUG CONSUMPTION IN MEXICO. >> Translator: BUT VERY LITTLE. 207 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:38,076 >> SO, WHY THE VIOLENCE THEN IN MEXICO? >> Translator: BECAUSE DRUG TRAFFICKING EXISTS BUT NOT THE 208 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:42,881 CONSUMPTION. >> Reporter: LOPEZ OBRADOR SAYS THREATS BY U.S. LAWMAKERS TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDER TO CURB 209 00:24:42,948 --> 00:24:50,555 DRUG TRAFFICKING IS NO MORE THAN SABRE RATTLING. THAT'S BECAUSE LAST YEAR MEXICO BECAME AMERICA'S TOP TRADING 210 00:24:50,622 --> 00:24:55,227 PARTNER. >> Translator: THEY COULD SAY, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE BORDER, BUT WE MUTUALLY NEED 211 00:24:55,293 --> 00:24:59,297 EACH OTHER. >> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE U.S. IF THEY CLOSE THE BORDER? >> Translator: YOU WOULD NOT BE 212 00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:10,342 ABLE TO BUY INEXPENSIVE CARS IF THE BORDER IS CLOSED. THAT IS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY 10,000, $15,000 MORE FOR A CAR. 213 00:25:10,408 --> 00:25:17,382 THERE ARE FACTORIES IN MEXICO AND THERE ARE FACTORIES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE FUNDAMENTAL FOR ALL THE 214 00:25:17,449 --> 00:25:24,322 CONSUMERS IN THE UNITED STATES AND ALL THE CONSUME RS IN MEXICO. >> Reporter: LAST YEAR, THE 215 00:25:24,389 --> 00:25:33,298 MEXICAN ECONOMY GREW 3% AND UNEMPLOYMENT HIT A RECORD LOW. BUT CRITICS SAY MEXICO'S ECONOMIC GROWTH ISN'T BECAUSE OF 216 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:41,206 THE PRESIDENT, RATHER IN SPITE OF HIM. LOPEZ OBRADOR DIRECTED BILLIONS TO SIGNATURE NATO PROJECTS, LIKE 217 00:25:41,273 --> 00:25:49,114 AN OIL REFINERY IN HIS HOME STATE, AND A RAILROAD THROUGH THE YUCATAN JUNGLE. >> WHAT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE? 218 00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:56,388 AREN'T THERE MORE DIRE CONCERNS, LIKE CLEAN WATER, ROADS, RELIABLE ENERGY, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT BUSINESS TO 219 00:25:56,454 --> 00:26:02,928 MEXICO? >> Translator: WE'RE DOING BOTH, FIXING THE ROADS AND BUILDING THIS TRAIN. 220 00:26:02,994 --> 00:26:11,803 IT WILL LINK ALL THE ANCIENT MAYAN CITIES AND IS GOING TO ALLOW MEXICANS AND TOURISTS TO ENJOY A PARADISE REGION. 221 00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:21,646 THAT IS THE SOUTHEAST OF MEXICO. >> Reporter: LOPEZ OBRADOR HAS SPENT UNAPOLOGETICALLY ON SOCIAL PROGRAMS, DOUBLING THE MINIMUM 222 00:26:21,713 --> 00:26:28,253 WAGE, INCREASING PENSIONS AND SCHOLARSHIPS. HIS APPROVAL RATING HAS REMAINED HIGH, UPWARDS OF 60% FOR MOST OF 223 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,224 HIS PRESIDENCY. >> YOUR CRITICS SAY THAT YOU'RE POPULAR BECAUSE YOU GIVE PEOPLE MONEY. 224 00:26:33,291 --> 00:26:39,364 WHAT DO YOU SAY? >> Translator: I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PARTLY RIGHT. OUR FORMULA IS SIMPLE. 225 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:48,373 IT IS NOT TO ALLOW CORRUPTION, NOT TO MAKE FOR AN OSTENTATIOUS GOVERNMENT. FOR LUXURIES AND EVERYTHING WE 226 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:56,381 SAY, WE ALLOCATE TO THE PEOPLE. >> DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET RID OF THE CORRUPTION IN MEXICO? 227 00:26:56,448 --> 00:27:02,821 >> Translator: YES. >> COMPLETELY? >> Translator: YES, BASICALLY, BECAUSE CORRUPTION IN MEXICO 228 00:27:02,887 --> 00:27:10,128 STARTED FROM THE TOP-DOWN. >> Reporter: THE TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL REPORTS NO IMPROVEMENT IN THE CORRUPTION 229 00:27:10,195 --> 00:27:15,467 PROBLEMS THAT HAVE PLAGUED MEXICO FOR DECADES. HUGE CROWDS GATHERED LAST MONTH, ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT OF TRYING 230 00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:23,141 TO ELIMINATE THE COUNTRY'S DEMOCRATIC CHECKS AND BALANCES. IN JUNE, MEXICO WILL HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST ELECTIONS IN ITS 231 00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:28,213 HISTORY. IN ADDITION TO THE PRESIDENCY, 20,000 LOCAL POSITIONS ARE UP FOR GRABS. 232 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:36,888 THE CARTELS HAVE FUNDED AND PREYED ON LOCAL CANDIDATES. LAST MONTH, TWO MAYORAL HOPEFULS WERE KILLED WITHIN HOURS OF EACH 233 00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:43,028 OTHER, RAISING FEARS OF A BLOODY ELECTION. >> Translator: I CAN TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY 234 00:27:43,094 --> 00:27:48,299 WITHOUT A PROBLEM. THERE IS NO REGION THAT I CANNOT GO AND VISIT. >> THE NUMBER OF GOVERNMENT 235 00:27:48,366 --> 00:27:57,208 OFFICIALS AND CANDIDATES MURDERED ROSE FROM 94 IN 2018 TO 355 LAST YEAR. YOU DON'T VIEW THAT AS A THREAT 236 00:27:57,275 --> 00:28:02,781 TO YOU, OBVIOUSLY. BUT DO YOU VIEW IT AS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY? >> NO. 237 00:28:02,847 --> 00:28:08,753 >> Translator: THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC INSTANCES. THERE IS NO STATE REPRESSION. >> BUT IF A CANDIDATE'S AFRAID 238 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:14,959 TO RUN BECAUSE THEY MAY BE ASSASSINATED, ISN'T THAT A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY? >> Translator: GENERALLY THEY 239 00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:23,568 ALL PARTICIPATE. THERE ARE MANY CANDIDATES FROM ALL THE PARTIES. >> Reporter: HIS HAND-PICKED 240 00:28:23,635 --> 00:28:32,110 SUCCESSOR, CLAUDIA SHEINBAUM, HAS A COMMANDING LEAD IN THE POLLS AND COULD BECOME MEXICO'S FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT. 241 00:28:32,177 --> 00:28:38,049 LOPEZ OBRADOR TOLD US WHEN HE LEAVES OFFICE, HE WILL RETIRE FROM POLITICS AND WRITE BOOKS. BUT WHAT HE DOES NEXT AT THE 242 00:28:38,116 --> 00:28:52,564 BORDER, OR DOESN'T DO, COULD SHAPE THE NEXT CHAPTER OF THE UNITED STATES. >>> SOMETHING AKIN TO THE 243 00:28:52,630 --> 00:29:01,573 CALIFORNIA GOLD RUSH IS HAPPENING IN THE EASTERN PACIFIC, AN INTERNATIONAL MAD DASH, NOT FOR ONE PRECIOUS METAL 244 00:29:01,639 --> 00:29:07,479 BUT FOR VAST QUANTITIES OF MINERALS SCATTERED ACROSS THE OCEAN FLOOR, VITAL FOR EVERYTHING FROM ELECTRIC CARS TO 245 00:29:07,545 --> 00:29:17,188 DEFENSE SYSTEMS. TO AVOID A FREE FOR ALL, 168 COUNTRIES, INCLUDING CHINA, HAVE SIGNED ON TO THE UNITED NATIONS 246 00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:24,696 LAW OF THE SEA, A TREATY THAT DIVVIES UP THE INTERNATIONAL SEABED. CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT IS THE 247 00:29:24,762 --> 00:29:31,903 UNITED STATES, KEPT OUT OF THE RACE BY A GROUP OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO ARE SAY THE TREATY UNDERMINES AMERICAN POWER. 248 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:39,344 DESPITE EFFORTS BY FIVE PRESIDENTS, RATIFYING THE TREATY HAS HIT A WALL IN THE SENATE YEAR AFTER YEAR. 249 00:29:39,410 --> 00:29:46,351 WITH SEABED MINING SET TO BEGIN NEXT YEAR, CHINA IS IN PLACE TO DOMINATE IT. NOW, A GROUP OF FORMER DIPLOMATS 250 00:29:46,417 --> 00:29:55,160 AND MILITARY LEADERS IS TRYING AGAIN TO BREAK THE LOG JAM IN THE SENATE. >> Reporter: 1,000 MILES FROM 251 00:29:55,226 --> 00:30:05,570 U.S. WATERS BETWEEN MEXICO AND HAWAII LIE THIS IS PATCH OF PACIFIC OCEAN. IT LOOKS TRANQUIL, BUT IT'S A 252 00:30:05,637 --> 00:30:14,612 LOCUST OF FIERCE COMPETITION. TO SEE WHAT'S AT STAKE, YOU HAVE TO PLUNGE TO THE BOTTOM. SEE THOSE POTATO-SIZED ROCKS? 253 00:30:14,679 --> 00:30:22,120 THEY'RE FILLED WITH COBALT, NICKEL, MANGANESE, AND COPPER, SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE METALS ON EARTH. 254 00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:30,361 >> ALL RIGHT, START COMING UP. >> Reporter: IN 2019, WE WENT ALONG ON A PILOT EXPEDITION, AS A CREW WITH CANADA'S METALS 255 00:30:30,428 --> 00:30:37,368 COMPANY HAULED ITS SUNKEN TREASURE TO THE SURFACE. >> THAT MANY OF THEM DOWN THERE. ZBLF IF THEY FOUND A DEPOSIT 256 00:30:37,435 --> 00:30:43,308 WITH THIS METAL CONCENTRATION ON LAND, IT WOULD BE A BONANZA THAT NOBODY WOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS. 257 00:30:43,374 --> 00:30:50,982 >> TODAY THE RACE IS ON FOR THE ESTIMATED TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF STRATEGIC MINERALS ON THE OCEAN FLOOR, VITAL FOR NEXT 258 00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:58,990 GENERATION ELECTRONICS. COUNTRIES THAT RATIFIED THE LAW OF THE SEA TREATY NOW ARE TESTING GIANT ROBOTS THAT VACUUM 259 00:30:59,057 --> 00:31:10,535 THE MINERALS FROM THE SEA FLOOR. THEY'RE CARVING UP AND LAYING CLAIM TO PARCELS ON THE SEABED COVERED WITH RICH BALLS OF ORE. 260 00:31:10,602 --> 00:31:18,476 CHINA HAS FIVE SITES, 90,000 SQUARE MILES, THE MOST OF ANY COUNTRY. THE UNITED STATES, NONE, BLOCKED 261 00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:25,850 FROM EVEN PUTTING A TOE IN THE WATER BY ITS REFUSAL TO RATIFY THE TREATY. >> WE ARE NOT ONLY NOT AT THE 262 00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:35,660 TABLE, BUT WE'RE OFF THE FIELD. THE UNITED STATES PROBABLY HAS GOT THE MOST TO GAIN OF ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IF IT WERE 263 00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:41,666 PARTY TO THE LAW OF THE SEA CONVENTION. AND CONVERSELY, WE ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST TO LOSE 264 00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:52,010 BY NOT BEING PART OF IT. >> JOHN BELLINGER IS A PARTNER AT THE D.C. LAW FIRM, ARNOLD & POYER. 265 00:31:52,076 --> 00:32:00,652 HE TESTIFIED AS A FORMER LEGAL ADVISER TO GEORGE W. BUSH. HE TOLD US BUSH WAS NO FAN OF U.N. TREATIES, BUT HE SUPPORTED 266 00:32:00,718 --> 00:32:09,527 THIS ONE, NOT ONLY FOR CODIFYING ACCESS TO THE DEEP SEABED, BUT ALSO FOR SAFEGUARDING THE FREE NAVIGATION OF U.S. SHIPS AROUND 267 00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:16,968 THE WORLD. BELLINGER TOLD US SUPPORT WAS SO BROAD IN 2012, HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A SLAM DUNK. 268 00:32:17,035 --> 00:32:19,937 >> PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH WAS IN FAVOR? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> U.S. INTELLIGENCE. 269 00:32:20,004 --> 00:32:24,542 >> YES. >> MILITARY. >> YES. >> MAJOR BUSINESS GROUPS, BIG 270 00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:27,745 OIL. >> YES. AND ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AS WELL. 271 00:32:27,812 --> 00:32:34,752 HARD TO FIND ANY TREATY OR PROBABLY ANY PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT HAS SUCH BROAD SUPPORT. 272 00:32:34,819 --> 00:32:41,092 >> Reporter: YET IT FAILED. THE CONSERVATIVE HERITAGE FOUNDATION CONVINCED 34 REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO TURN 273 00:32:41,159 --> 00:32:48,299 THUMBS DOWN, SAYING IT WOULD SUBJUGATE THE UNITED STATES TO THE U.N. >> MY PROBLEM IS WITH 274 00:32:48,366 --> 00:32:52,637 SOVEREIGNTY. >> Reporter: THE LAW OF THE SEA WAS SUNK. >> IT SURPRISED ME THAT A NUMBER 275 00:32:52,704 --> 00:33:03,014 OF SENATORS WOULD TELL US IN THE GOVERNMENT, WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU. WE KNOW BETTER THAN OUR U.S. 276 00:33:03,081 --> 00:33:08,186 MILITARY. WE KNOW BETTER THAN U.S. BUSINESS. >> DOES THE AMERICAN POSITION 277 00:33:08,252 --> 00:33:18,429 MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU? >> IT HONESTLY DOES NOT. THE OPPOSITION WAS NOT ON NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS OR ON 278 00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:26,537 BUSINESS REASONS. IT, TO ME, SEEMED JUST A REFLEXIVE, IDEOLOGICAL OPPOSITION TO JOINING THE 279 00:33:26,604 --> 00:33:34,512 TREATY. >> Reporter: SINCE 2012, WHILE REPEATED ATTEMPTS TO RATIFY THE TREATY HAVE FAILED, CHINA HAS 280 00:33:34,579 --> 00:33:40,385 MADE DEEP SEA MINING A NATIONAL PRIORITY. IT ALREADY HAS A NEAR MONOPOLY OF THE CRITICAL MINERALS ON 281 00:33:40,451 --> 00:33:46,924 LAND. NOW IT'S SET TO LOCK UP THE BOUNTY ON THE SEA FLOOR. AMBASSADOR JOHN NEGROPONTE, A 282 00:33:46,991 --> 00:33:53,631 FORMER DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, TOLD US, CHINA'S AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS SHOULD BE 283 00:33:53,698 --> 00:34:03,608 SETTING OFF ALARMS. >> WHAT'S CHANGED SINCE 2012? >> THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA AND ITS MORE ASSERTIVE 284 00:34:03,674 --> 00:34:11,215 BEHAVIOR ON THE INTERNATIONAL SCENE, PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA. AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO DEEP 285 00:34:11,282 --> 00:34:16,888 SEABED MINING, THEY'RE EATING OUR LUNCH. THEY'VE GOT ACCESS TO FIVE SITES. 286 00:34:16,954 --> 00:34:23,961 RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ACCESS TO NONE. >> Reporter: JOHN NEGROPONTE IS ONE OF A NUMBER OF SENIOR 287 00:34:24,028 --> 00:34:32,437 REPUBLICANS URGING THE SENATE TO RECONSIDER AND ARE THE IDENTIFY THE TREATY. IF IT DOESN'T, THE U.S. CAN'T 288 00:34:32,503 --> 00:34:37,708 GET A LICENSE FROM THE U.N.-BACKED SEABED AUTHORITY TO MINE THE OCEAN BOTTOM. IT WON'T HAVE A SAY IN DRAFTING 289 00:34:37,775 --> 00:34:43,948 ENVIRONMENTAL RULES FOR MINING THE DEEP. ABSENT THE U.S., CHINA IS THE HEAVY WEIGHT IN THE ROOM. 290 00:34:44,015 --> 00:34:50,988 >> SO, DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT WE'RE JUST, SORT OF, GIVING THIS RESOURCE TO THE CHINESE WITHOUT ANY PUSHBACK FROM US? 291 00:34:51,055 --> 00:34:57,695 >> WE ARE CONCEDING. IF WE'RE NOT AT THE TABLE AND WE'RE NOT MEMBERS OF THE SEABED AUTHORITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO 292 00:34:57,762 --> 00:35:04,669 HAVE A VOICE IN WRITING THE ENVIRONMENTAL GUIDELINES FOR DEEP SEABED MINING. WHO WOULD YOU PREFER TO SEE 293 00:35:04,735 --> 00:35:12,944 WRITING THOSE GUIDELINES? THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? >> IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO 294 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:20,151 A CONSERVATIVE TO SAY, THESE MINERALS THAT ARE IN THE DEEP SEABED ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE UNITED STATES, WE ARE DONE 295 00:35:20,218 --> 00:35:27,592 WITHOUT THOSE. LET'S PUT AN INTERNATIONAL BUREAUCRACY IN CHARGE OF GIVING US ACCESS TO THEM. 296 00:35:27,658 --> 00:35:35,867 >> Reporter: STEVEN GROVES IS A SENIOR POLICY ANALYST AT THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION. IN 2012, GROVES TESTIFIED THAT 297 00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:44,208 THE U.S. DIDN'T NEED ANYONE'S PERMISSION TO MINE THE SEABED. HIS VIEWS HAVEN'T CHANGED. >> WHAT BUSINESSMAN IN THEIR 298 00:35:44,275 --> 00:35:54,252 RIGHT MIND SAID, I'M GOING TO INVEST TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO A COMPANY THAT I WILL THEN HAVE TO GO AND ASK PER 299 00:35:54,318 --> 00:36:01,259 PERMISSION FROM AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION TO ENGAGE IN DEEP SEABED MINING. >> BUT NO GENERAL COUNSEL, NO 300 00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:09,667 BOARD OF A COMPANY, IF FACED WITH A CLEAR RIGHT UNDER A TREATY THAT SAYS, YOU CAN GO AND DO THIS, OR TAKING AN ACTION 301 00:36:09,734 --> 00:36:20,378 THAT'S FLATLY CONTRARY TO THE TREATY, OF COURSE THE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO SAY, I WANT TO TAKE THE CLEARLY LAWFUL ROUTE BEFORE 302 00:36:20,444 --> 00:36:31,522 I INVEST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> Reporter: LAWYER JOHN BELLINGER TOLD US U.S. COMPANIES INTERESTED IN MINING THE SEABED 303 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:36,594 WANT THE LEGAL GUARANTEES OF THE TREATY. EVEN AS OTHER COUNTRIES MOVE AHEAD, STEVEN GROVES INSISTS 304 00:36:36,661 --> 00:36:44,602 AMERICAN COMPANIES ARE STAYING AWAY, NOT BECAUSE THE U.S. HASN'T RATIFIED A TREATY, BUT BECAUSE DEEP SEA MINING ISN'T 305 00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:49,674 VIABLE. >> IF CHINA WANTS TO GO AND THINK THAT IT'S ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO DRAG THOSE NODULES 306 00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:56,047 UP TO THE SURFACE AND PROCESS THEM, LET THEM DO IT. THE UNITED STATES HAS DECIDED TO STAY OUT OF THE GAME. 307 00:36:56,113 --> 00:37:04,722 THE ONE U.S. COMPANY THAT HAD RIGHTS TO THE DEEP SEABED GOT OUT OF THE GAME. THAT'S LOCKHEED MARTIN. 308 00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:09,961 >> U.S. COMPANIES SAY THERE'S UNCERTAINTY. >> WHAT U.S. COMPANIES? >> LOCKHEED. 309 00:37:10,027 --> 00:37:17,368 >> THEIR INVESTORS, THEIR COUNSEL ALL SAY, IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS TREATY, WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THIS. 310 00:37:17,435 --> 00:37:20,805 >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT OF THE IT. THEY QUIT. >> BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING 311 00:37:20,871 --> 00:37:25,009 THEM IN ANY WAY. >> THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION THEY MADE. >> Reporter: LOCKHEED MARTIN HAS 312 00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:32,283 NOT QUIT. THE DEFENSE GIANT HAD RIGHTS TO FOUR PACIFIC SEABED SITES. IT SOLD TWO AND IS HOLDING ONTO 313 00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:40,124 TWO IN CASE THE TREATY PASSES. BUT LOCKHEED TOLD US, IF THE U.S. DOESN'T RATIFY THE TREATY, IT CAN'T DIVE IN. 314 00:37:40,191 --> 00:37:46,731 AMBASSADOR JOHN NEGROPONTE TOLD US THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION IS STANDING IN THE WAY. >> WHAT HERITAGE IS SAYING IS, 315 00:37:46,797 --> 00:37:56,007 WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE. WE KNOW THE ANSWER ALREADY. AND I -- YOU KNOW, I THINK 316 00:37:56,073 --> 00:38:00,011 THAT'S, SORT OF, HYPOTHETICAL THINKING. THE PRAGMATIC APPROACH WOULD BE TO SAY, OKAY, LET US HAVE ACCESS 317 00:38:00,077 --> 00:38:11,489 AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> WE COULD END UP BEING EVEN MORE DEPENDENT THAN WE ARE TODAY ON CHINA FOR ACCESS TO THESE 318 00:38:11,555 --> 00:38:18,029 MINERALS. >> IF THEY END UP BEING THE LARGEST PRODUCER AND WE'RE NOT PRODUCING AT ALL, THAT MIGHT 319 00:38:18,095 --> 00:38:27,204 PLACE US IN A DIFFICULT ECONOMIC POSITION. >> BUT NATIONAL SECURITY FEARS OF CHINA'S GROWING PROWESS IN 320 00:38:27,271 --> 00:38:35,613 THE DEEP ARE ABOUT MORE THAN MINING. LAST WEEK, A ALREADY SIGNED BY 346 FORMER POLITICAL, NATIONAL 321 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:44,555 SECURITY, AND MILITARY LEADERS, WARNED THAT CHINA WAS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AMERICA'S ABSENCE FROM THE TREATY TO PURSUE 322 00:38:44,622 --> 00:38:54,832 OVERALL NAVAL SUPREMACY. >> OVER THE LAST DECADE -- AND I'VE DONE THE MATH -- CHINA HAS BUILT 20% MORE WARSHIPS 323 00:38:54,899 --> 00:39:03,340 BY TONNAGE THAN THE U.S. NAVY HAS. IT IS A TRULY MASSIVE EXPANSION IN NAVAL POWER. 324 00:39:03,407 --> 00:39:11,248 >> THOMAS SHUGART IS A FORMER U.S. NAVY SUBMARINE WARFARE OFFICER AND A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE CENTER FOR A NEW AMERICAN 325 00:39:11,315 --> 00:39:19,890 SECURITY. HE TOLD US, CHINA IS FLEXING ITS MARITIME MUSCLE BY CLAIMING THE SOUTH CHINA SEA AS ITS PRIVATE 326 00:39:19,957 --> 00:39:26,997 OCEAN. IT HAS CHALLENGED THE TREATY'S NAVIGATION LAWS THAT ENSURE SAFE PASSAGE, BY HARASSING PASSING 327 00:39:27,064 --> 00:39:37,541 SHIPS, INCLUDING THE U.S. NAVY. IT HAS FIRED WATER CANNONS AT ITS NEIGHBORS, CAUSED COLLISIONS, EVEN FLASHED A 328 00:39:37,608 --> 00:39:45,015 MILITARY GRADE LASER AT SHIPS. STEVEN GROVES AT THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION SAYS, THAT'S WHY THE TREATY IS MEANINGLESS. 329 00:39:45,082 --> 00:39:52,223 >> IT'S CHINA WHO IS A PARTY TO THE TREATY, WHO DOESN'T OBEY THE RULES OF THE ROAD. THEY'RE THE ONES GETTING INTO 330 00:39:52,289 --> 00:40:01,065 NEAR COLLISIONS WITH U.S. VESSELS IN THE SOUTH I CHINA SE. THE UNITED STATES RESPECTS AND ADHERES TO INTERNATIONAL LAW. 331 00:40:01,132 --> 00:40:07,905 IT IS THE CHINESE WHO ARE THE -- HERE. AND THE IDEA THAT THE U.S. JOINING THE TREATY WOULD SOMEHOW 332 00:40:07,972 --> 00:40:18,115 CHANGE THAT CHINESE BEHAVIOR, HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY. >> EVERY TIME THE U.S. POINTS AT THEM AND SAYS, YOU'RE VIOLATING 333 00:40:18,182 --> 00:40:23,320 THE LAW, THEY QUICKLY TURN BACK AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT A SIGNATORY. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT? 334 00:40:23,387 --> 00:40:30,127 >> IN AN EFFORT TO WIN HEARTS AND MINDS ALL OVER THE WORLD AGAINST CLEARLY OUR GREATEST STRATEGIC COMPETITOR. 335 00:40:30,194 --> 00:40:37,535 >> FORMER SUBMARINE CAPTAIN THOMAS SHUGART TOLD US, BEING OUTSIDE THE TREATY UNDERCUTS AMERICAN CREDIBILITY, WHILE 336 00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:46,644 CHINA IS LASER FOCUSED ON BUILDING ITS MARITIME POWER. HE TOLD US CHINA'S DEEP SEA MINERS HAVE A SECOND MISSION, 337 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:52,850 COLLECTING NFGTS FOR THE CHINESE MILITARY. >> THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THESE COMPANIES USE TO MINE THE 338 00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:57,588 SEABED, DO THEY ALSO HAVE A MILITARY APPLICATION? >> ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO FIND 339 00:40:57,655 --> 00:41:01,559 SUBMARINES IN THE OCEAN, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE BOTTOM LOOKS LIKE. YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE 340 00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:08,899 TEMPERATURE IS. YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SI LYNNTY IS. IF CHINA IS USING VESSELS TO DO 341 00:41:08,966 --> 00:41:16,874 THOSE SURVEYS, THAT COULD IMPROVE THEIR ABILITY TO FIND U.S. AND ALLIED SUBMARINES OVER TIME. 342 00:41:16,941 --> 00:41:23,814 >> Reporter: BACK IN D.C., AMBASSADOR NEGROPONTE'S GROUP IS LOBBYING THE REPUBLICAN HOLDOUTS. 343 00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:48,072 WE DECIDED TO CALL THE SENATORS TO INVTORPEDOED THE TREATY IN 2. WITH THE U.S. SENATE LOCKED IN STALEMATE, CHINA IS FORGING 344 00:41:48,138 --> 00:42:01,218 >>> THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES." >>> NOW, AN UPDATE ON A TSTORY FROM EARLIER THIS MONTH CALLED 345 00:42:01,285 --> 00:42:08,759 OPERATION LONE STAR. THE NEW TEXAS LAW BYPASSES THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION SYSTEM BY GIVING STATE AND LOCAL LAW 346 00:42:08,826 --> 00:42:15,866 ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AUTHORITY TO ARREST, DETAIN, AND DEPORT MIGRANTS WHO ENTER THE STATE ILLEGALLY. 347 00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:24,475 THE U.S. CONSTITUTION GIVES THE STATES THE RIGHT TO REPEL WHAT HE CALLS AN INVASION. >> DO YOU REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE 348 00:42:24,541 --> 00:42:30,781 THAT "INVASION" IS THE RIGHT WORD TO BE USING HERE. >> INVASION IS THE WORD THAT'S USED IN THE UNITED STATES 349 00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:36,921 CONSTITUTION. INVASION OR IMMINENT DANGER. I USE THEM BOTH. >> THIS PAST WEEK, FEDERAL 350 00:42:36,987 --> 00:42:42,626 COURTS CONSIDERED WHETHER THE LAW SHOULD BE PUT ON HOLD WHILE ITS CONSTITUTIONALITY IS DECIDED. 351 00:42:42,693 --> 00:42:49,333 THE SUPREME COURT REMOVED THAT STAY ONLY TO HAVE IT RENEWED BY FIFTH CIRCUIT JUDGES WHILE THEY CONSIDER THE ARGUMENTS. 352 00:42:49,400 --> 00:43:11,221 THE TEXAS LAW'S FATE, LIKE THE BORDER CRISIS, REMAINS