1 00:00:11,311 --> 00:00:12,000 >>> WHAT'S IT LIKE TO HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE POPE? YOU'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD, 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,984 >>> WHAT'S IT LIKE TO HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE POPE? YOU'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD, 3 00:00:18,051 --> 00:00:24,000 WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE? >> Translator: EVERYTHING. YOU SEE TRAGEDIES, BUT YOU ALSO SEE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS. 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:29,629 WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE? >> Translator: EVERYTHING. YOU SEE TRAGEDIES, BUT YOU ALSO SEE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS. 5 00:00:29,696 --> 00:00:30,000 >> A WIDE-RANGING INTERVIEW WITH POPE FRANCIS ON "60 MINUTES." >>> TONIGHT, THE STORY OF TWO AMERICANS WITH TOP SECURITY 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,000 >> A WIDE-RANGING INTERVIEW WITH POPE FRANCIS ON "60 MINUTES." >>> TONIGHT, THE STORY OF TWO AMERICANS WITH TOP SECURITY 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,507 >> A WIDE-RANGING INTERVIEW WITH POPE FRANCIS ON "60 MINUTES." >>> TONIGHT, THE STORY OF TWO AMERICANS WITH TOP SECURITY 8 00:00:40,573 --> 00:00:42,000 CLEARANCES AND HOW THEY SPIED ON BEHALF OF CUBA, WHICH BARTERED AND SOLD AMERICA'S SECRETS TO ITS ENEMIES AROUND THE WORLD. 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,000 CLEARANCES AND HOW THEY SPIED ON BEHALF OF CUBA, WHICH BARTERED AND SOLD AMERICA'S SECRETS TO ITS ENEMIES AROUND THE WORLD. 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:48,915 CLEARANCES AND HOW THEY SPIED ON BEHALF OF CUBA, WHICH BARTERED AND SOLD AMERICA'S SECRETS TO ITS ENEMIES AROUND THE WORLD. 11 00:00:48,982 --> 00:00:54,000 >> DO YOU THINK THERE ARE OTHER ANA MONTES' IN THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,423 >> DO YOU THINK THERE ARE OTHER ANA MONTES' IN THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. 13 00:00:56,489 --> 00:01:00,000 ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S CHILLING. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE CUBANS ARE STILL PENETRATING OUR 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,561 ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S CHILLING. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE CUBANS ARE STILL PENETRATING OUR 15 00:01:01,628 --> 00:01:06,000 GOVERNMENT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOYAL TO THEM AND NOT TO US. >>> THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE WORLD IS MAN BECAUSE OTHER 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:12,000 GOVERNMENT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOYAL TO THEM AND NOT TO US. >>> THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE WORLD IS MAN BECAUSE OTHER 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,674 GOVERNMENT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOYAL TO THEM AND NOT TO US. >>> THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE WORLD IS MAN BECAUSE OTHER 18 00:01:14,741 --> 00:01:18,000 ANIMALS WILL HURT YOU IF THEY'RE HUNGRY OR IT'S THEIR NATURE OF HUNTING. BUT MAN CAN TURN INTO AN ANIMAL 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:24,000 ANIMALS WILL HURT YOU IF THEY'RE HUNGRY OR IT'S THEIR NATURE OF HUNTING. BUT MAN CAN TURN INTO AN ANIMAL 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:24,384 ANIMALS WILL HURT YOU IF THEY'RE HUNGRY OR IT'S THEIR NATURE OF HUNTING. BUT MAN CAN TURN INTO AN ANIMAL 21 00:01:24,451 --> 00:01:30,000 IN NO TIME. ALL HE NEEDS IS PERMISSION. >> A UNIQUE NEW PLAY WITH LESSONS FROM THE PAST THAT POSE 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,861 IN NO TIME. ALL HE NEEDS IS PERMISSION. >> A UNIQUE NEW PLAY WITH LESSONS FROM THE PAST THAT POSE 23 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:36,000 A WARNING FOR TODAY. >> TO THIS IMAGE. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,500 A WARNING FOR TODAY. >> TO THIS IMAGE. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. 25 00:01:40,567 --> 00:01:42,000 >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,773 >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,000 >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,413 >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 29 00:02:02,222 --> 00:02:06,000 >>> FRANCIS IS THE FIRST POPE FROM THE AMERICAS, THE FIRST OF HIS NAME, AND MORE THAN ANY OTHER POPE IN RECENT MEMORY HAS 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,000 >>> FRANCIS IS THE FIRST POPE FROM THE AMERICAS, THE FIRST OF HIS NAME, AND MORE THAN ANY OTHER POPE IN RECENT MEMORY HAS 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,333 >>> FRANCIS IS THE FIRST POPE FROM THE AMERICAS, THE FIRST OF HIS NAME, AND MORE THAN ANY OTHER POPE IN RECENT MEMORY HAS 32 00:02:13,399 --> 00:02:18,000 DEDICATED HIS LIFE AND MINISTRY TO THE POOR, THE PERIPHERAL, AND THE FORGOTTEN, ALL WHILE LEADING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON 33 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,874 DEDICATED HIS LIFE AND MINISTRY TO THE POOR, THE PERIPHERAL, AND THE FORGOTTEN, ALL WHILE LEADING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON 34 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:24,000 DIFFICULT, SOMETIMES CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES THAT NOT EVERYONE SUPPORTS. WE WERE GRANTED A RARE INTERVIEW 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,880 DIFFICULT, SOMETIMES CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES THAT NOT EVERYONE SUPPORTS. WE WERE GRANTED A RARE INTERVIEW 36 00:02:26,946 --> 00:02:30,000 AT THE VATICAN AND SPOKE TO HIM IN HIS NATIVE SPANISH THROUGH A TRANSLATOR FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR. 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,253 AT THE VATICAN AND SPOKE TO HIM IN HIS NATIVE SPANISH THROUGH A TRANSLATOR FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR. 38 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:36,000 NOT LOST IN TRANSLATION WAS THE 87-YEAR-OLD'S WARMTH, INTELLIGENCE, AND CONVICTION. WE BEGIN BY DISCUSSING THE 39 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,560 NOT LOST IN TRANSLATION WAS THE 87-YEAR-OLD'S WARMTH, INTELLIGENCE, AND CONVICTION. WE BEGIN BY DISCUSSING THE 40 00:02:40,627 --> 00:02:42,000 CHURCH'S FIRST WORLD CHILDREN'S DAY. NEXT WEEKEND, POPE FRANCIS WILL WELCOME TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:48,000 CHURCH'S FIRST WORLD CHILDREN'S DAY. NEXT WEEKEND, POPE FRANCIS WILL WELCOME TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 42 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:48,067 CHURCH'S FIRST WORLD CHILDREN'S DAY. NEXT WEEKEND, POPE FRANCIS WILL WELCOME TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 43 00:02:48,134 --> 00:02:54,000 YOUNG PEOPLE TO THE VATICAN, INCLUDING REFUGEES OF WAR. >> DURING WORLD CHILDREN'S DAY, THE U.N. SAYS OVER A MILLION 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,143 YOUNG PEOPLE TO THE VATICAN, INCLUDING REFUGEES OF WAR. >> DURING WORLD CHILDREN'S DAY, THE U.N. SAYS OVER A MILLION 45 00:02:57,210 --> 00:03:00,000 PEOPLE WILL BE FACING FAMINE IN GAZA, MANY OF THEM CHILDREN. >> Translator: NOT JUST IN GAZA. THINK OF UKRAINE. 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,000 PEOPLE WILL BE FACING FAMINE IN GAZA, MANY OF THEM CHILDREN. >> Translator: NOT JUST IN GAZA. THINK OF UKRAINE. 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:06,419 PEOPLE WILL BE FACING FAMINE IN GAZA, MANY OF THEM CHILDREN. >> Translator: NOT JUST IN GAZA. THINK OF UKRAINE. 48 00:03:06,486 --> 00:03:12,000 MANY KIDS FROM UKRAINE COME HERE. YOU KNOW SOMETHING? THAT THOSE CHILDREN DON'T KNOW 49 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,896 MANY KIDS FROM UKRAINE COME HERE. YOU KNOW SOMETHING? THAT THOSE CHILDREN DON'T KNOW 50 00:03:16,963 --> 00:03:18,000 HOW TO SMILE. I'LL SAY SOMETHING TO THEM. THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO SMILE. 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,002 HOW TO SMILE. I'LL SAY SOMETHING TO THEM. THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO SMILE. 52 00:03:23,069 --> 00:03:24,000 AND THAT IS VERY PAINFUL. >> DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN WHEN IT COMES TO UKRAINE? 53 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,000 AND THAT IS VERY PAINFUL. >> DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN WHEN IT COMES TO UKRAINE? 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,878 AND THAT IS VERY PAINFUL. >> DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN WHEN IT COMES TO UKRAINE? 55 00:03:31,945 --> 00:03:36,000 >> Translator: PLEASE, WARRING COUNTRIES, ALL OF THEM, STOP. STOP THE WAR. YOU MUST FIND A WAY OF 56 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,785 >> Translator: PLEASE, WARRING COUNTRIES, ALL OF THEM, STOP. STOP THE WAR. YOU MUST FIND A WAY OF 57 00:03:38,851 --> 00:03:42,000 NEGOTIATING FOR PEACE. STRIVE FOR PEACE. A NEGOTIATED PEACE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN AN ENDLESS WAR. 58 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,000 NEGOTIATING FOR PEACE. STRIVE FOR PEACE. A NEGOTIATED PEACE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN AN ENDLESS WAR. 59 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,763 NEGOTIATING FOR PEACE. STRIVE FOR PEACE. A NEGOTIATED PEACE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN AN ENDLESS WAR. 60 00:03:50,830 --> 00:03:54,000 >> WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ISRAEL AND GAZA HAS CAUSED SO MUCH DIVISION, SO MUCH PAIN AROUND THE WORLD. 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,839 >> WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ISRAEL AND GAZA HAS CAUSED SO MUCH DIVISION, SO MUCH PAIN AROUND THE WORLD. 62 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:00,000 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IN THE UNITED STATES BIG PROTESTS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND GROWING ANTI-SEMITISM. 63 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,000 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IN THE UNITED STATES BIG PROTESTS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND GROWING ANTI-SEMITISM. 64 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,681 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IN THE UNITED STATES BIG PROTESTS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND GROWING ANTI-SEMITISM. 65 00:04:08,748 --> 00:04:12,000 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT HOW TO CHANGE THAT? >> Translator: ALL IDEOLOGY IS BAD. 66 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,689 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT HOW TO CHANGE THAT? >> Translator: ALL IDEOLOGY IS BAD. 67 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:18,000 AND ANTI-SEMITISM IS AN IDEOLOGY, AND IT IS BAD. ANY ANTI IS ALWAYS BAD. YOU CAN CRITICIZE ONE GOVERNMENT 68 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:24,000 AND ANTI-SEMITISM IS AN IDEOLOGY, AND IT IS BAD. ANY ANTI IS ALWAYS BAD. YOU CAN CRITICIZE ONE GOVERNMENT 69 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,467 AND ANTI-SEMITISM IS AN IDEOLOGY, AND IT IS BAD. ANY ANTI IS ALWAYS BAD. YOU CAN CRITICIZE ONE GOVERNMENT 70 00:04:27,533 --> 00:04:30,000 OR ANOTHER, THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL, THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN CRITICIZE ALL YOU WANT, 71 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,742 OR ANOTHER, THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL, THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN CRITICIZE ALL YOU WANT, 72 00:04:35,808 --> 00:04:36,000 BUT NOT ANTI-A PEOPLE, NEITHER ANTI-PALESTINIAN OR ANTI-SEMITIC, NO. >> I KNOW YOU HAVE CALLED FOR 73 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:42,000 BUT NOT ANTI-A PEOPLE, NEITHER ANTI-PALESTINIAN OR ANTI-SEMITIC, NO. >> I KNOW YOU HAVE CALLED FOR 74 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,384 BUT NOT ANTI-A PEOPLE, NEITHER ANTI-PALESTINIAN OR ANTI-SEMITIC, NO. >> I KNOW YOU HAVE CALLED FOR 75 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:48,000 PEACE. YOU HAVE CALLED FOR A CEASEFIRE IN MANY OF YOUR SERMONS. CAN YOU HELP NEGOTIATE PEACE? 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,723 PEACE. YOU HAVE CALLED FOR A CEASEFIRE IN MANY OF YOUR SERMONS. CAN YOU HELP NEGOTIATE PEACE? 77 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:54,000 >> Translator: WHAT I CAN DO IS PRAY. I PRAY A LOT FOR PEACE. AND ALSO TO SUGGEST, PLEASE 78 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:00,000 >> Translator: WHAT I CAN DO IS PRAY. I PRAY A LOT FOR PEACE. AND ALSO TO SUGGEST, PLEASE 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,434 >> Translator: WHAT I CAN DO IS PRAY. I PRAY A LOT FOR PEACE. AND ALSO TO SUGGEST, PLEASE 80 00:05:01,501 --> 00:05:06,000 STOP. NEGOTIATE. >> PRAYER HAS BEEN AT THE CENTER OF THE POPE'S LIFE SINCE HE WAS 81 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,174 STOP. NEGOTIATE. >> PRAYER HAS BEEN AT THE CENTER OF THE POPE'S LIFE SINCE HE WAS 82 00:05:08,241 --> 00:05:12,000 BORN JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO INTO A FAMILY OF ITALIAN IMMIGRANTS. BEFORE ENTERING THE SEMINARY, BERGOGLIO WORKED AS A CHEMIST. 83 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,000 BORN JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO INTO A FAMILY OF ITALIAN IMMIGRANTS. BEFORE ENTERING THE SEMINARY, BERGOGLIO WORKED AS A CHEMIST. 84 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,654 BORN JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO INTO A FAMILY OF ITALIAN IMMIGRANTS. BEFORE ENTERING THE SEMINARY, BERGOGLIO WORKED AS A CHEMIST. 85 00:05:21,721 --> 00:05:24,000 HIS OWN PERSONAL FORMULA IS SIMPLICITY. HE STILL WEARS THE PLAIN SILVER CROSS HE WORE AS THE ARCHBISHOP 86 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,028 HIS OWN PERSONAL FORMULA IS SIMPLICITY. HE STILL WEARS THE PLAIN SILVER CROSS HE WORE AS THE ARCHBISHOP 87 00:05:29,095 --> 00:05:30,000 OF BUENOS AIRES, THOUGH IT'S NOT WHAT THE POPE WEARS. HE CHOSE THE VATICAN GUEST HOUSE, CASA SANTA MARTA, AS HIS 88 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:36,000 OF BUENOS AIRES, THOUGH IT'S NOT WHAT THE POPE WEARS. HE CHOSE THE VATICAN GUEST HOUSE, CASA SANTA MARTA, AS HIS 89 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,000 OF BUENOS AIRES, THOUGH IT'S NOT WHAT THE POPE WEARS. HE CHOSE THE VATICAN GUEST HOUSE, CASA SANTA MARTA, AS HIS 90 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,744 OF BUENOS AIRES, THOUGH IT'S NOT WHAT THE POPE WEARS. HE CHOSE THE VATICAN GUEST HOUSE, CASA SANTA MARTA, AS HIS 91 00:05:44,811 --> 00:05:48,000 HOME. WE MET HIM THERE UNDER A PAINTING OF THE VIRGIN MARY. SURROUNDED BY THE SACRED, 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,717 HOME. WE MET HIM THERE UNDER A PAINTING OF THE VIRGIN MARY. SURROUNDED BY THE SACRED, 93 00:05:50,783 --> 00:05:54,000 FRANCIS HAS NOT FORSAKEN HIS SENSE OF HUMOR, EVEN WHEN DISCUSSING SERIOUS SUBJECTS, LIKE THE MIGRANT CRISIS. 94 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,957 FRANCIS HAS NOT FORSAKEN HIS SENSE OF HUMOR, EVEN WHEN DISCUSSING SERIOUS SUBJECTS, LIKE THE MIGRANT CRISIS. 95 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:00,000 >> MY GRANDPARENTS WERE CATHOLIC, IMMIGRATED FROM NORTHERN IRELAND IN THE 1930s TO THE UNITED STATES, SEEKING A 96 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,000 >> MY GRANDPARENTS WERE CATHOLIC, IMMIGRATED FROM NORTHERN IRELAND IN THE 1930s TO THE UNITED STATES, SEEKING A 97 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,766 >> MY GRANDPARENTS WERE CATHOLIC, IMMIGRATED FROM NORTHERN IRELAND IN THE 1930s TO THE UNITED STATES, SEEKING A 98 00:06:06,833 --> 00:06:12,000 BETTER LIFE. AND I KNOW YOUR FAMILY, TOO, FLED FASCISM. AND YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WITH 99 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,774 BETTER LIFE. AND I KNOW YOUR FAMILY, TOO, FLED FASCISM. AND YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WITH 100 00:06:14,841 --> 00:06:18,000 MIGRANTS, WITH OF THEM CHILDREN, THAT YOU ENCOURAGE GOVERNMENTS TO BUILD BRIDGES, NOT WALLS. >> Translator: MIGRATION IS 101 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,215 MIGRANTS, WITH OF THEM CHILDREN, THAT YOU ENCOURAGE GOVERNMENTS TO BUILD BRIDGES, NOT WALLS. >> Translator: MIGRATION IS 102 00:06:22,281 --> 00:06:24,000 SOMETHING THAT MAKES A COUNTRY GROW. THEY SAY THAT YOU IRISH MIGRATED AND BROUGHT THE WHISKEY AND THAT 103 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:30,000 SOMETHING THAT MAKES A COUNTRY GROW. THEY SAY THAT YOU IRISH MIGRATED AND BROUGHT THE WHISKEY AND THAT 104 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,659 SOMETHING THAT MAKES A COUNTRY GROW. THEY SAY THAT YOU IRISH MIGRATED AND BROUGHT THE WHISKEY AND THAT 105 00:06:33,726 --> 00:06:36,000 THE ITALIANS MIGRATED AND BROUGHT THE MAFIA. IT'S A JOKE. DON'T TAKE IT BADLY. 106 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000 THE ITALIANS MIGRATED AND BROUGHT THE MAFIA. IT'S A JOKE. DON'T TAKE IT BADLY. 107 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,603 THE ITALIANS MIGRATED AND BROUGHT THE MAFIA. IT'S A JOKE. DON'T TAKE IT BADLY. 108 00:06:43,669 --> 00:06:48,000 BUT MIGRANTS SOMETIMES SUFFER A LOT. THEY SUFFER A LOT. >> I GREW UP IN TEXAS, AND I 109 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,609 BUT MIGRANTS SOMETIMES SUFFER A LOT. THEY SUFFER A LOT. >> I GREW UP IN TEXAS, AND I 110 00:06:49,675 --> 00:06:54,000 DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD, BUT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS ATTEMPTING TO SHUT DOWN A CATHOLIC CHARITY ON THE BORDER WITH MEXICO THAT 111 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,384 DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD, BUT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS ATTEMPTING TO SHUT DOWN A CATHOLIC CHARITY ON THE BORDER WITH MEXICO THAT 112 00:06:58,451 --> 00:07:00,000 OFFERS UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? >> Translator: THAT IS MADNESS, 113 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:06,000 OFFERS UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? >> Translator: THAT IS MADNESS, 114 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,761 OFFERS UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? >> Translator: THAT IS MADNESS, 115 00:07:08,828 --> 00:07:12,000 SHEER MADNESS. TO CLOSE THE BORDER AND LEAVE THEM THERE, THAT IS MADNESS. THE MIGRANT HAS TO BE RECEIVED. 116 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,470 SHEER MADNESS. TO CLOSE THE BORDER AND LEAVE THEM THERE, THAT IS MADNESS. THE MIGRANT HAS TO BE RECEIVED. 117 00:07:17,537 --> 00:07:18,000 THEREAFTER YOU SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THEM. MAYBE YOU HAVE TO SEND THEM BACK. 118 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,107 THEREAFTER YOU SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THEM. MAYBE YOU HAVE TO SEND THEM BACK. 119 00:07:21,174 --> 00:07:24,000 I DON'T KNOW. BUT EACH CASE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED HUMANELY, RIGHT? >> Reporter: A FEW MONTHS AFTER 120 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,881 I DON'T KNOW. BUT EACH CASE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED HUMANELY, RIGHT? >> Reporter: A FEW MONTHS AFTER 121 00:07:28,948 --> 00:07:30,000 BECOMING POPE, FRANCIS WENT TO A SMALL ITALIAN ISLAND NEAR AFRICA TO MEET MIGRANTS FLEEING POVERTY AND WAR. 122 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:36,000 BECOMING POPE, FRANCIS WENT TO A SMALL ITALIAN ISLAND NEAR AFRICA TO MEET MIGRANTS FLEEING POVERTY AND WAR. 123 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,356 BECOMING POPE, FRANCIS WENT TO A SMALL ITALIAN ISLAND NEAR AFRICA TO MEET MIGRANTS FLEEING POVERTY AND WAR. 124 00:07:37,423 --> 00:07:42,000 >> YOUR FIRST TRIP AS POPE WAS AN ISLAND OF -- WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT SUFFERING. AND I WAS SO STRUCK WHEN YOU 125 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,066 >> YOUR FIRST TRIP AS POPE WAS AN ISLAND OF -- WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT SUFFERING. AND I WAS SO STRUCK WHEN YOU 126 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:48,000 TALKED ABOUT THE GLOBALIZATION OF INDIFFERENCE. WHAT IS HAPPENING? >> Translator: DO YOU WANT ME TO 127 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,439 TALKED ABOUT THE GLOBALIZATION OF INDIFFERENCE. WHAT IS HAPPENING? >> Translator: DO YOU WANT ME TO 128 00:07:53,506 --> 00:07:54,000 STATE IT PLAINLY? PEOPLE WASH THEIR HANDS. THERE ARE SO MANY PONTIUS PILATES ON THE LOOSE OUT THERE, 129 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:00,000 STATE IT PLAINLY? PEOPLE WASH THEIR HANDS. THERE ARE SO MANY PONTIUS PILATES ON THE LOOSE OUT THERE, 130 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,016 STATE IT PLAINLY? PEOPLE WASH THEIR HANDS. THERE ARE SO MANY PONTIUS PILATES ON THE LOOSE OUT THERE, 131 00:08:04,083 --> 00:08:06,000 WHO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING -- THE WAR, THE INJUSTICE, THE CRIMES. THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY, AND WASH THEIR HANDS. 132 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,000 WHO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING -- THE WAR, THE INJUSTICE, THE CRIMES. THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY, AND WASH THEIR HANDS. 133 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,160 WHO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING -- THE WAR, THE INJUSTICE, THE CRIMES. THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S OKAY, AND WASH THEIR HANDS. 134 00:08:14,227 --> 00:08:18,000 IT'S INDIFFERENCE. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE HEART HARDENS IS BECOMES INDIFFERENT. 135 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,800 IT'S INDIFFERENCE. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE HEART HARDENS IS BECOMES INDIFFERENT. 136 00:08:20,867 --> 00:08:24,000 PLEASE, WE HAVE TO GET OUR HEARTS TO FEEL AGAIN. WE CANNOT REMAIN INDIFFERENT IN THE FACE OF SUCH HUMAN DRAMAS. 137 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,000 PLEASE, WE HAVE TO GET OUR HEARTS TO FEEL AGAIN. WE CANNOT REMAIN INDIFFERENT IN THE FACE OF SUCH HUMAN DRAMAS. 138 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,843 PLEASE, WE HAVE TO GET OUR HEARTS TO FEEL AGAIN. WE CANNOT REMAIN INDIFFERENT IN THE FACE OF SUCH HUMAN DRAMAS. 139 00:08:30,910 --> 00:08:36,000 THE GLOBALIZATION OF INDIFFERENCE IS A VERY UGLY DISEASE. VERY UGLY. 140 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,686 THE GLOBALIZATION OF INDIFFERENCE IS A VERY UGLY DISEASE. VERY UGLY. 141 00:08:40,753 --> 00:08:42,000 >> POPE FRANCIS HAS NOT BEEN INDIFFERENT TO THE CHURCH'S MOST INSIDIOUS SCANDAL, THE RAMPANT SEXUAL ABUSE OF HUNDREDS OF 142 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,000 >> POPE FRANCIS HAS NOT BEEN INDIFFERENT TO THE CHURCH'S MOST INSIDIOUS SCANDAL, THE RAMPANT SEXUAL ABUSE OF HUNDREDS OF 143 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:48,527 >> POPE FRANCIS HAS NOT BEEN INDIFFERENT TO THE CHURCH'S MOST INSIDIOUS SCANDAL, THE RAMPANT SEXUAL ABUSE OF HUNDREDS OF 144 00:08:48,594 --> 00:08:54,000 THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN WORLDWIDE FOR DECADES. >> YOU HAVE DONE MORE THAN ANYONE TO TRY AND REFORM THE 145 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,534 THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN WORLDWIDE FOR DECADES. >> YOU HAVE DONE MORE THAN ANYONE TO TRY AND REFORM THE 146 00:08:55,601 --> 00:09:00,000 CATHOLIC CHURCH AND REPENT FOR YEARS OF UNSPEAKABLE SEXUAL ABUSE AGAINST CHILDREN BY MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY. 147 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,974 CATHOLIC CHURCH AND REPENT FOR YEARS OF UNSPEAKABLE SEXUAL ABUSE AGAINST CHILDREN BY MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY. 148 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:06,000 BUT HAS THE CHURCH DONE ENOUGH? >> Translator: IT MUST CONTINUE TO DO MORE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE TRAGEDY OF 149 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,181 BUT HAS THE CHURCH DONE ENOUGH? >> Translator: IT MUST CONTINUE TO DO MORE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE TRAGEDY OF 150 00:09:09,248 --> 00:09:12,000 THE ABUSES IS ENORMOUS. AND AGAINST THIS, AN UPRIGHT CONSCIENCE. AND NOT ONLY TO NOT PERMIT IT 151 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,000 THE ABUSES IS ENORMOUS. AND AGAINST THIS, AN UPRIGHT CONSCIENCE. AND NOT ONLY TO NOT PERMIT IT 152 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:18,357 THE ABUSES IS ENORMOUS. AND AGAINST THIS, AN UPRIGHT CONSCIENCE. AND NOT ONLY TO NOT PERMIT IT 153 00:09:18,424 --> 00:09:24,000 BUT TO PUT IN PLACE THE CONDITIONS SO THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. >> YOU HAVE SAID, ZERO 154 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,099 BUT TO PUT IN PLACE THE CONDITIONS SO THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. >> YOU HAVE SAID, ZERO 155 00:09:27,166 --> 00:09:30,000 TOLERANCE. >> Translator: IT CANNOT BE TOLERATED. WHEN THERE IS A CASE OF A 156 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,704 TOLERANCE. >> Translator: IT CANNOT BE TOLERATED. WHEN THERE IS A CASE OF A 157 00:09:31,771 --> 00:09:36,000 RELIGIOUS MAN OR WOMAN WHO ABUSES, THE FULL FORCE OF THE LAW FALLS UPON THEM. IN THIS, THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT 158 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,877 RELIGIOUS MAN OR WOMAN WHO ABUSES, THE FULL FORCE OF THE LAW FALLS UPON THEM. IN THIS, THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT 159 00:09:37,944 --> 00:09:42,000 DEAL OF PROGRESS. >> Reporter: IT'S FRANCIS' CAPACITY FOR FORGIVENESS AND OPENNESS THAT HAS DEFINED HIS 160 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:48,000 DEAL OF PROGRESS. >> Reporter: IT'S FRANCIS' CAPACITY FOR FORGIVENESS AND OPENNESS THAT HAS DEFINED HIS 161 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,921 DEAL OF PROGRESS. >> Reporter: IT'S FRANCIS' CAPACITY FOR FORGIVENESS AND OPENNESS THAT HAS DEFINED HIS 162 00:09:48,988 --> 00:09:54,000 LEADERSHIP OF THE CHURCH'S NEARLY 1.4 BILLION CATHOLICS. HE PUT THEM AND THE WORLD ON NOTICE DURING AN IMPROMPTU PRESS 163 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,395 LEADERSHIP OF THE CHURCH'S NEARLY 1.4 BILLION CATHOLICS. HE PUT THEM AND THE WORLD ON NOTICE DURING AN IMPROMPTU PRESS 164 00:09:56,462 --> 00:10:00,000 CONFERENCE ON A PLANE IN 2013 WHEN HE SPOKE ON THE SUBJECT OF HOMOSEXUALITY. IF SOMEONE IS GAY, HE SAID, AND 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,938 CONFERENCE ON A PLANE IN 2013 WHEN HE SPOKE ON THE SUBJECT OF HOMOSEXUALITY. IF SOMEONE IS GAY, HE SAID, AND 166 00:10:06,005 --> 00:10:12,000 HE SEARCHES FOR THE LORD AND HAS GOODWILL, GOOD WILL, WHO AM I TO JUDGE? AND HE DID NOT STOP THERE. 167 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,548 HE SEARCHES FOR THE LORD AND HAS GOODWILL, GOOD WILL, WHO AM I TO JUDGE? AND HE DID NOT STOP THERE. 168 00:10:15,614 --> 00:10:18,000 >> LAST YEAR YOU DECIDED TO ALLOW CATHOLIC PRIESTS TO BLESS SAME-SEX COUPLES. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE. 169 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,989 >> LAST YEAR YOU DECIDED TO ALLOW CATHOLIC PRIESTS TO BLESS SAME-SEX COUPLES. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE. 170 00:10:23,055 --> 00:10:24,000 WHY? >> Translator: NO. WHAT I ALLOWED WAS NOT TO BLESS THE UNION. 171 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,460 WHY? >> Translator: NO. WHAT I ALLOWED WAS NOT TO BLESS THE UNION. 172 00:10:27,526 --> 00:10:30,000 THAT CANNOT BE DONE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE SACRAMENT. I CANNOT. THE LORD MADE IT THAT WAY. 173 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,799 THAT CANNOT BE DONE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE SACRAMENT. I CANNOT. THE LORD MADE IT THAT WAY. 174 00:10:33,866 --> 00:10:36,000 BUT TO BLESS EACH PERSON, YES. THE BLESSING IS FOR EVERYONE. FOR EVERYONE. TO BLESS A HOMOSEXUAL-TYPE 175 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:42,000 BUT TO BLESS EACH PERSON, YES. THE BLESSING IS FOR EVERYONE. FOR EVERYONE. TO BLESS A HOMOSEXUAL-TYPE 176 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,000 BUT TO BLESS EACH PERSON, YES. THE BLESSING IS FOR EVERYONE. FOR EVERYONE. TO BLESS A HOMOSEXUAL-TYPE 177 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:48,781 BUT TO BLESS EACH PERSON, YES. THE BLESSING IS FOR EVERYONE. FOR EVERYONE. TO BLESS A HOMOSEXUAL-TYPE 178 00:10:48,848 --> 00:10:54,000 UNION, HOWEVER, GOES AGAINST THE GIVEN RITE, AGAINST THE LAW OF THE CHURCH. BUT TO BLESS EACH PERSON, WHY 179 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,290 UNION, HOWEVER, GOES AGAINST THE GIVEN RITE, AGAINST THE LAW OF THE CHURCH. BUT TO BLESS EACH PERSON, WHY 180 00:10:58,357 --> 00:11:00,000 NOT? THE BLESSING IS FOR ALL. SOME PEOPLE WERE SCANDALIZED BY THIS, BUT WHY? 181 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:05,698 NOT? THE BLESSING IS FOR ALL. SOME PEOPLE WERE SCANDALIZED BY THIS, BUT WHY? 182 00:11:05,765 --> 00:11:06,000 EVERYONE -- EVERYONE. >> YOU HAVE SAID, WHO AM I TO JUDGE? HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CRIME. 183 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,000 EVERYONE -- EVERYONE. >> YOU HAVE SAID, WHO AM I TO JUDGE? HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CRIME. 184 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,541 EVERYONE -- EVERYONE. >> YOU HAVE SAID, WHO AM I TO JUDGE? HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CRIME. 185 00:11:15,608 --> 00:11:18,000 >> Translator: NO. IT'S A HUMAN FACT. >> THERE ARE CONSERVATIVE BISHOPS IN THE UNITED STATES 186 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,446 >> Translator: NO. IT'S A HUMAN FACT. >> THERE ARE CONSERVATIVE BISHOPS IN THE UNITED STATES 187 00:11:20,513 --> 00:11:24,000 THAT OPPOSE YOUR NEW EFFORTS TO REVISIT TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THEIR 188 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,522 THAT OPPOSE YOUR NEW EFFORTS TO REVISIT TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THEIR 189 00:11:29,588 --> 00:11:30,000 CRITICISM? >> Translator: YOU USED AN ADJECTIVE, CONSERVATIVE. THAT IS, CONSERVATIVE IS ONE WHO 190 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,000 CRITICISM? >> Translator: YOU USED AN ADJECTIVE, CONSERVATIVE. THAT IS, CONSERVATIVE IS ONE WHO 191 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,431 CRITICISM? >> Translator: YOU USED AN ADJECTIVE, CONSERVATIVE. THAT IS, CONSERVATIVE IS ONE WHO 192 00:11:38,497 --> 00:11:42,000 CLINGS TO SOMETHING AND DOES NOT WANT TO SEE BEYOND THAT. IT IS A SUICIDAL ATTITUDE BECAUSE ONE THING IS TO TAKE 193 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,138 CLINGS TO SOMETHING AND DOES NOT WANT TO SEE BEYOND THAT. IT IS A SUICIDAL ATTITUDE BECAUSE ONE THING IS TO TAKE 194 00:11:46,205 --> 00:11:48,000 TRADITION INTO ACCOUNT, TO CONSIDER SITUATIONS FROM THE PAST. BUT QUITE ANOTHER IS TO BE 195 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,445 TRADITION INTO ACCOUNT, TO CONSIDER SITUATIONS FROM THE PAST. BUT QUITE ANOTHER IS TO BE 196 00:11:52,511 --> 00:11:54,000 CLOSED UP INSIDE A DOGMATIC BOX. >> Reporter: POPE FRANCIS HAS PLACED MORE WOMEN IN POSITIONS OF POWER THAN ANY OF HIS 197 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,000 CLOSED UP INSIDE A DOGMATIC BOX. >> Reporter: POPE FRANCIS HAS PLACED MORE WOMEN IN POSITIONS OF POWER THAN ANY OF HIS 198 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,655 CLOSED UP INSIDE A DOGMATIC BOX. >> Reporter: POPE FRANCIS HAS PLACED MORE WOMEN IN POSITIONS OF POWER THAN ANY OF HIS 199 00:12:02,721 --> 00:12:06,000 PREDECESSORS. BUT HE TOLD US HE OPPOSES ALLOWING WOMEN TO BE ORDAINED AS PRIESTS OR DEACONS. 200 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,964 PREDECESSORS. BUT HE TOLD US HE OPPOSES ALLOWING WOMEN TO BE ORDAINED AS PRIESTS OR DEACONS. 201 00:12:12,031 --> 00:12:18,000 FRANCIS' DEVOTION TO TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE LED ONE VATICAN REPORTER TO NOTE THAT HE'S CHANGED THE TUNE OF THE CHURCH, 202 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,604 FRANCIS' DEVOTION TO TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE LED ONE VATICAN REPORTER TO NOTE THAT HE'S CHANGED THE TUNE OF THE CHURCH, 203 00:12:18,671 --> 00:12:24,000 BUT THE LYRICS ESSENTIALLY REMAIN THE SAME. THIS FRUSTRATES THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE HIM CHANGE POLICY ON 204 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,811 BUT THE LYRICS ESSENTIALLY REMAIN THE SAME. THIS FRUSTRATES THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE HIM CHANGE POLICY ON 205 00:12:25,878 --> 00:12:30,000 ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS MARRYING, CONTRACEPTION, AND SURROGATE MOTHERHOOD. >> I KNOW WOMEN WHO ARE CANCER 206 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,000 ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS MARRYING, CONTRACEPTION, AND SURROGATE MOTHERHOOD. >> I KNOW WOMEN WHO ARE CANCER 207 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,157 ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS MARRYING, CONTRACEPTION, AND SURROGATE MOTHERHOOD. >> I KNOW WOMEN WHO ARE CANCER 208 00:12:38,224 --> 00:12:42,000 SURVIVORS WHO CANNOT BEAR CHILDREN, AND THEY TURN TO SURROGACY. THIS IS AGAINST CHURCH DOCTRINE. 209 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,696 SURVIVORS WHO CANNOT BEAR CHILDREN, AND THEY TURN TO SURROGACY. THIS IS AGAINST CHURCH DOCTRINE. 210 00:12:43,762 --> 00:12:48,000 >> Reporter: IN REGARD TO SURROGATE MOTHERHOOD, IN THE STRICTEST SENSE OF THE TERM, NO, IT IS NOT AUTHORIZED. 211 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,603 >> Reporter: IN REGARD TO SURROGATE MOTHERHOOD, IN THE STRICTEST SENSE OF THE TERM, NO, IT IS NOT AUTHORIZED. 212 00:12:50,669 --> 00:12:54,000 SOMETIMES SURROGACY HAS BECOME A BUSINESS, AND THAT IS VERY BAD. IT IS VERY BAD. >> BUT SOMETIMES, FOR SOME 213 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,245 SOMETIMES SURROGACY HAS BECOME A BUSINESS, AND THAT IS VERY BAD. IT IS VERY BAD. >> BUT SOMETIMES, FOR SOME 214 00:12:59,311 --> 00:13:00,000 WOMEN, IT IS THE ONLY HOPE. >> Translator: IT COULD BE. THE OTHER HOPE IS ADOPTION. I WOULD SAY THAT IN EACH CASE, 215 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:06,000 WOMEN, IT IS THE ONLY HOPE. >> Translator: IT COULD BE. THE OTHER HOPE IS ADOPTION. I WOULD SAY THAT IN EACH CASE, 216 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:06,252 WOMEN, IT IS THE ONLY HOPE. >> Translator: IT COULD BE. THE OTHER HOPE IS ADOPTION. I WOULD SAY THAT IN EACH CASE, 217 00:13:06,318 --> 00:13:12,000 THE SITUATION SHOULD BE CAREFULLY AND CLEARLY CONSIDERED, CONSULTING MEDICALLY AND THEN MORALLY AS WELL. 218 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:18,000 THE SITUATION SHOULD BE CAREFULLY AND CLEARLY CONSIDERED, CONSULTING MEDICALLY AND THEN MORALLY AS WELL. 219 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:18,130 THE SITUATION SHOULD BE CAREFULLY AND CLEARLY CONSIDERED, CONSULTING MEDICALLY AND THEN MORALLY AS WELL. 220 00:13:18,197 --> 00:13:24,000 I THINK THERE IS A GENERAL RULE IN THESE CASES, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO INTO EACH CASE IN PARTICULAR TO ASSESS THE SITUATION. 221 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,773 I THINK THERE IS A GENERAL RULE IN THESE CASES, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO INTO EACH CASE IN PARTICULAR TO ASSESS THE SITUATION. 222 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,000 AS LONG AS THE MORAL PRINCIPLE IS NOT SKIRTED. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I REALLY 223 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,000 AS LONG AS THE MORAL PRINCIPLE IS NOT SKIRTED. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I REALLY 224 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:36,482 AS LONG AS THE MORAL PRINCIPLE IS NOT SKIRTED. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I REALLY 225 00:13:36,549 --> 00:13:42,000 LIKE YOUR EXPRESSION WHEN YOU TOLD ME, IN SOME CASES, IT IS THE ONLY CHANCE. IT SHOWS THAT YOU FEEL THESE 226 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,623 LIKE YOUR EXPRESSION WHEN YOU TOLD ME, IN SOME CASES, IT IS THE ONLY CHANCE. IT SHOWS THAT YOU FEEL THESE 227 00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:48,000 THINGS VERY DEEPLY. >> I THINK THAT'S WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE FOUND HOPE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN MORE OPEN 228 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,000 THINGS VERY DEEPLY. >> I THINK THAT'S WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE FOUND HOPE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN MORE OPEN 229 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,603 THINGS VERY DEEPLY. >> I THINK THAT'S WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE FOUND HOPE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN MORE OPEN 230 00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:00,000 AND ACCEPTING, PERHAPS, THAN OTHER PREVIOUS LEADERS OF THE CHURCH. >> Translator: YOU HAVE TO BE 231 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:05,511 AND ACCEPTING, PERHAPS, THAN OTHER PREVIOUS LEADERS OF THE CHURCH. >> Translator: YOU HAVE TO BE 232 00:14:05,578 --> 00:14:06,000 OPEN TO EVERYTHING. THE CHURCH IS LIKE THAT. EVERYONE, EVERYONE, EVERYONE. THAT SO AND SO IS A SINNER. 233 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,000 OPEN TO EVERYTHING. THE CHURCH IS LIKE THAT. EVERYONE, EVERYONE, EVERYONE. THAT SO AND SO IS A SINNER. 234 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,252 OPEN TO EVERYTHING. THE CHURCH IS LIKE THAT. EVERYONE, EVERYONE, EVERYONE. THAT SO AND SO IS A SINNER. 235 00:14:13,319 --> 00:14:18,000 ME TOO. I AM A SINNER. EVERYONE. THE GOSPEL IS FOR EVERYONE. 236 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:18,557 ME TOO. I AM A SINNER. EVERYONE. THE GOSPEL IS FOR EVERYONE. 237 00:14:18,624 --> 00:14:24,000 IF THE CHURCH PLACES A CUSTOMS OFFICER AT THE DOOR, THAT IS NO LONGER THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. EVERYONE. 238 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,568 IF THE CHURCH PLACES A CUSTOMS OFFICER AT THE DOOR, THAT IS NO LONGER THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. EVERYONE. 239 00:14:29,635 --> 00:14:30,000 >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE? >> Translator: EVERYTHING. YOU SEE TRAGEDIES, BUT YOU ALSO 240 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:36,000 >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE? >> Translator: EVERYTHING. YOU SEE TRAGEDIES, BUT YOU ALSO 241 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:41,780 >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE? >> Translator: EVERYTHING. YOU SEE TRAGEDIES, BUT YOU ALSO 242 00:14:41,847 --> 00:14:42,000 SEE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS. YOU SEE HEROIC MOTHERS, HEROIC MEN, MEN WHO HAVE HOPES AND DREAMS, WOMEN WHO LOOK TO THE 243 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:48,000 SEE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS. YOU SEE HEROIC MOTHERS, HEROIC MEN, MEN WHO HAVE HOPES AND DREAMS, WOMEN WHO LOOK TO THE 244 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,726 SEE SO MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS. YOU SEE HEROIC MOTHERS, HEROIC MEN, MEN WHO HAVE HOPES AND DREAMS, WOMEN WHO LOOK TO THE 245 00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:54,000 FUTURE. THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF HOPE. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. PEOPLE FORGE AHEAD. 246 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:00,000 FUTURE. THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF HOPE. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. PEOPLE FORGE AHEAD. 247 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,700 FUTURE. THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF HOPE. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. PEOPLE FORGE AHEAD. 248 00:15:01,767 --> 00:15:06,000 AND PEOPLE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD. WE ARE ALL FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD. YES, THERE ARE SOME ROGUES AND 249 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:12,000 AND PEOPLE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD. WE ARE ALL FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD. YES, THERE ARE SOME ROGUES AND 250 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,144 AND PEOPLE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD. WE ARE ALL FUNDAMENTALLY GOOD. YES, THERE ARE SOME ROGUES AND 251 00:15:12,211 --> 00:15:18,000 SINNERS, BUT THE HEART ITSELF IS GOOD. >> BEHIND THE SCENES AT THE VATICAN. 252 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,155 SINNERS, BUT THE HEART ITSELF IS GOOD. >> BEHIND THE SCENES AT THE VATICAN. 253 00:15:23,222 --> 00:15:24,000 >> MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND PRAY FOR ME. DON'T FORGET. >> AT 60MINUTESOVERTIME 254 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:30,000 >> MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND PRAY FOR ME. DON'T FORGET. >> AT 60MINUTESOVERTIME 255 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:36,000 >> MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND PRAY FOR ME. DON'T FORGET. >> AT 60MINUTESOVERTIME 256 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,603 >> MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND PRAY FOR ME. DON'T FORGET. >> AT 60MINUTESOVERTIME 257 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:42,000 >>> LAST MONTH, A CAREER AMERICAN AMBASSADOR PLEADED GUILTY TO SPYING FOR THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE OF CUBA. 258 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,077 >>> LAST MONTH, A CAREER AMERICAN AMBASSADOR PLEADED GUILTY TO SPYING FOR THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE OF CUBA. 259 00:15:45,144 --> 00:15:48,000 VICTOR MANUEL ROCHA SERVED HIS COUNTRY IN POSITIONS THAT REQUIRED THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF SECURITY CLEARANCE. 260 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,683 VICTOR MANUEL ROCHA SERVED HIS COUNTRY IN POSITIONS THAT REQUIRED THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF SECURITY CLEARANCE. 261 00:15:50,749 --> 00:15:54,000 FOR 40 YEARS, HE WAS A COVERT AGENT. BEFORE AMBASSADOR ROCHA WAS EXPOSED, THERE WAS ANOTHER 262 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,689 FOR 40 YEARS, HE WAS A COVERT AGENT. BEFORE AMBASSADOR ROCHA WAS EXPOSED, THERE WAS ANOTHER 263 00:15:56,755 --> 00:16:00,000 PROLIFIC CUBAN SPY NAMED ANA MONTES, A PENTAGON OFFICIAL WHO WAS THE LEAD ANALYST ON CUBA POLICY. 264 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,463 PROLIFIC CUBAN SPY NAMED ANA MONTES, A PENTAGON OFFICIAL WHO WAS THE LEAD ANALYST ON CUBA POLICY. 265 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:06,000 SHE SPIED FOR 17 YEARS. BUT CUBAN SPY CRAFT ISN'T JUST A RELIC OF THE COLD WAR. IT'S A REAL AND PRESENT DANGER 266 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:12,000 SHE SPIED FOR 17 YEARS. BUT CUBAN SPY CRAFT ISN'T JUST A RELIC OF THE COLD WAR. IT'S A REAL AND PRESENT DANGER 267 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,540 SHE SPIED FOR 17 YEARS. BUT CUBAN SPY CRAFT ISN'T JUST A RELIC OF THE COLD WAR. IT'S A REAL AND PRESENT DANGER 268 00:16:14,606 --> 00:16:18,000 TO U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY. IT TURNS OUT CUBA'S MAIN EXPORT ISN'T CIGARS OR RUM. IT'S AMERICAN SECRETS, WHICH 269 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,915 TO U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY. IT TURNS OUT CUBA'S MAIN EXPORT ISN'T CIGARS OR RUM. IT'S AMERICAN SECRETS, WHICH 270 00:16:22,981 --> 00:16:24,000 THEY BARTER AND SELL TO AMERICA'S ENEMIES AROUND THE WORLD. >> Reporter: IT WAS 1999 AND 271 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:30,000 THEY BARTER AND SELL TO AMERICA'S ENEMIES AROUND THE WORLD. >> Reporter: IT WAS 1999 AND 272 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,689 THEY BARTER AND SELL TO AMERICA'S ENEMIES AROUND THE WORLD. >> Reporter: IT WAS 1999 AND 273 00:16:30,756 --> 00:16:36,000 THEN FIRST LADY HILLARY CLINTON DANCED WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ARGENTINA AT A STATE DINNER. PRESIDENT CLINTON ALSO DANCED 274 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,299 THEN FIRST LADY HILLARY CLINTON DANCED WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ARGENTINA AT A STATE DINNER. PRESIDENT CLINTON ALSO DANCED 275 00:16:40,366 --> 00:16:42,000 THE TANGO ACROSS THE WHITE HOUSE BALLROOM. THEY WERE IN FRONT WEARING GLASSES AND THE HEIRS OF AN 276 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:48,000 THE TANGO ACROSS THE WHITE HOUSE BALLROOM. THEY WERE IN FRONT WEARING GLASSES AND THE HEIRS OF AN 277 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:48,440 THE TANGO ACROSS THE WHITE HOUSE BALLROOM. THEY WERE IN FRONT WEARING GLASSES AND THE HEIRS OF AN 278 00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:54,000 ARISTOCRAT STOOD VICTOR MANUEL ROCHA. HE WAS THE NUMBER TWO DIPLOMAT AT THE U.S. EMBASSY IN BUENOS 279 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,149 ARISTOCRAT STOOD VICTOR MANUEL ROCHA. HE WAS THE NUMBER TWO DIPLOMAT AT THE U.S. EMBASSY IN BUENOS 280 00:16:57,216 --> 00:17:00,000 AIRES. HE SERVED ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AND BECAME THE AMBASSADOR TO BOLIVIA. 281 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,688 AIRES. HE SERVED ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AND BECAME THE AMBASSADOR TO BOLIVIA. 282 00:17:02,755 --> 00:17:06,000 SEEN HERE ALONGSIDE THAT COUNTRY'S PRESIDENT. ALL THAT TIME, WHILE HAVING THE HIGHEST TOP SECRET SECURITY 283 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,795 SEEN HERE ALONGSIDE THAT COUNTRY'S PRESIDENT. ALL THAT TIME, WHILE HAVING THE HIGHEST TOP SECRET SECURITY 284 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:12,000 CLEARANCE WITH ACCESS TO THE MOST SENSITIVE U.S. INTELLIGENCE. BUT LAST DECEMBER, ATTORNEY 285 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,536 CLEARANCE WITH ACCESS TO THE MOST SENSITIVE U.S. INTELLIGENCE. BUT LAST DECEMBER, ATTORNEY 286 00:17:17,603 --> 00:17:18,000 GENERAL MERRICK GARLAND ANNOUNCED ROCHA'S ARREST. HE WAS CHARGED WITH SPYING FOR CUBA FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER. 287 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:24,000 GENERAL MERRICK GARLAND ANNOUNCED ROCHA'S ARREST. HE WAS CHARGED WITH SPYING FOR CUBA FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER. 288 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,810 GENERAL MERRICK GARLAND ANNOUNCED ROCHA'S ARREST. HE WAS CHARGED WITH SPYING FOR CUBA FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER. 289 00:17:24,877 --> 00:17:30,000 >> THIS ACTION EXPOSES ONE OF THE HIGHEST-REACHING AND LONGEST-LASTING INFILTRATIONS OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT BY A FOREIGN 290 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,652 >> THIS ACTION EXPOSES ONE OF THE HIGHEST-REACHING AND LONGEST-LASTING INFILTRATIONS OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT BY A FOREIGN 291 00:17:33,719 --> 00:17:36,000 AGENT. >> Reporter: IN 2022, A MAN CLAIMING TO BE A CUBAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER CONTACTED 292 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,458 AGENT. >> Reporter: IN 2022, A MAN CLAIMING TO BE A CUBAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER CONTACTED 293 00:17:39,525 --> 00:17:42,000 ROCHA AND ASKED TO MEET. ROCHA AGREED. HE HAD NO IDEA THE MAN WAS AN UNDERCOVER FBI AGENT. 294 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,964 ROCHA AND ASKED TO MEET. ROCHA AGREED. HE HAD NO IDEA THE MAN WAS AN UNDERCOVER FBI AGENT. 295 00:17:46,031 --> 00:17:48,000 OVER THREE MEETINGS IN MIAMI, THE FBI RECORDED ROCHA WITH A HIDDEN CAMERA. AND ACCORDING TO THE COMPLAINT, 296 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,138 OVER THREE MEETINGS IN MIAMI, THE FBI RECORDED ROCHA WITH A HIDDEN CAMERA. AND ACCORDING TO THE COMPLAINT, 297 00:17:53,205 --> 00:17:54,000 ROCHA BRAGGED THAT HE GOT AWAY WITH DECADES OF SPYING BY MEMORIZING THE SECRETS HE STOLE. ROCHA TOLD THE AGENT, WHAT WE 298 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:00,000 ROCHA BRAGGED THAT HE GOT AWAY WITH DECADES OF SPYING BY MEMORIZING THE SECRETS HE STOLE. ROCHA TOLD THE AGENT, WHAT WE 299 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:00,112 ROCHA BRAGGED THAT HE GOT AWAY WITH DECADES OF SPYING BY MEMORIZING THE SECRETS HE STOLE. ROCHA TOLD THE AGENT, WHAT WE 300 00:18:00,179 --> 00:18:06,000 HAVE DONE, IT'S ENORMOUS, MORE THAN A GRAND SLAM. HE CALLED THE U.S., QUOTE, THE ENEMY. 301 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,653 HAVE DONE, IT'S ENORMOUS, MORE THAN A GRAND SLAM. HE CALLED THE U.S., QUOTE, THE ENEMY. 302 00:18:07,719 --> 00:18:12,000 >> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE EXTENT OF DAMAGE THAT HE DID TO NATIONAL SECURITY? >> MANUEL ROCHA DID ENORMOUS 303 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,794 >> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE EXTENT OF DAMAGE THAT HE DID TO NATIONAL SECURITY? >> MANUEL ROCHA DID ENORMOUS 304 00:18:15,861 --> 00:18:18,000 DAMAGE TO AMERICAN SECURITY. >> BRIAN LATELL WAS THE CIA'S TOP CUBAN ANALYST AT THE HEIGHT OF THE COLD WAR. 305 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:23,535 DAMAGE TO AMERICAN SECURITY. >> BRIAN LATELL WAS THE CIA'S TOP CUBAN ANALYST AT THE HEIGHT OF THE COLD WAR. 306 00:18:23,602 --> 00:18:24,000 HE SAYS IN THE 1980s, ROCHA COLD CALLED AND STRUCK UP A PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP. THEY REMAINED FRIENDS FOR 307 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:30,000 HE SAYS IN THE 1980s, ROCHA COLD CALLED AND STRUCK UP A PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP. THEY REMAINED FRIENDS FOR 308 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,643 HE SAYS IN THE 1980s, ROCHA COLD CALLED AND STRUCK UP A PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP. THEY REMAINED FRIENDS FOR 309 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:35,180 DECADES. >> YOU THINK HE APPROACHED YOU TO GET INFORMATION OUT OF YOU ULTIMATELY. 310 00:18:35,247 --> 00:18:36,000 >> YES. HE NEVER GOT ANY. >> DID YOU SEE ANY SIGNS THAT HE WAS LEADING A DOUBLE LIFE? 311 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,486 >> YES. HE NEVER GOT ANY. >> DID YOU SEE ANY SIGNS THAT HE WAS LEADING A DOUBLE LIFE? 312 00:18:40,552 --> 00:18:42,000 >> NONE. >> NONE? >> NONE. >> WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT 313 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,423 >> NONE. >> NONE? >> NONE. >> WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT 314 00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:48,000 THE TRADE CRAFT THAT CUBA USES? >> THEY DO IT VERY, VERY WELL IN MOSTLY RUDIMENTARY FASHIONS. THE CUBANS ARE NOT FLYING 315 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:54,000 THE TRADE CRAFT THAT CUBA USES? >> THEY DO IT VERY, VERY WELL IN MOSTLY RUDIMENTARY FASHIONS. THE CUBANS ARE NOT FLYING 316 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,367 THE TRADE CRAFT THAT CUBA USES? >> THEY DO IT VERY, VERY WELL IN MOSTLY RUDIMENTARY FASHIONS. THE CUBANS ARE NOT FLYING 317 00:18:55,434 --> 00:19:00,000 SATELLITES ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. NEARLY ALL OF THEIR ABILITY AND SUCCESS HAS BEEN IN THE 318 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,739 SATELLITES ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. NEARLY ALL OF THEIR ABILITY AND SUCCESS HAS BEEN IN THE 319 00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:06,000 DIMENSION OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE. THEIR OFFICERS, THEIR INTELLIGENCE AGENTS AND OFFICERS, ARE VERY, VERY GOOD. 320 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:06,578 DIMENSION OF HUMAN INTELLIGENCE. THEIR OFFICERS, THEIR INTELLIGENCE AGENTS AND OFFICERS, ARE VERY, VERY GOOD. 321 00:19:06,645 --> 00:19:12,000 THEY KNOW THEIR TRADE CRAFT. THEY PRACTICE IT WITH GREAT SKILL AND WITH DISCIPLINE. AND WHEN THEY RECRUIT, THEY'RE 322 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,586 THEY KNOW THEIR TRADE CRAFT. THEY PRACTICE IT WITH GREAT SKILL AND WITH DISCIPLINE. AND WHEN THEY RECRUIT, THEY'RE 323 00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:18,000 VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THEY RECRUIT AND HOW THEY COMMUNICATE. >> AND WHAT DOES CUBA DO WITH 324 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,491 VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THEY RECRUIT AND HOW THEY COMMUNICATE. >> AND WHAT DOES CUBA DO WITH 325 00:19:19,558 --> 00:19:24,000 THE INFORMATION IT GETS FROM ALL OF THESE SPIES? >> THEY HAVE NO SCRUPLES ABOUT SHARING THE INFORMATION OR 326 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,831 THE INFORMATION IT GETS FROM ALL OF THESE SPIES? >> THEY HAVE NO SCRUPLES ABOUT SHARING THE INFORMATION OR 327 00:19:25,898 --> 00:19:30,000 PERHAPS MARKETING IT, SELLING IT, TO OTHER COUNTRIES. THE RUSSIANS, MAYBE THE CHINESE. IF THEY COLLECT INFORMATION 328 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,472 PERHAPS MARKETING IT, SELLING IT, TO OTHER COUNTRIES. THE RUSSIANS, MAYBE THE CHINESE. IF THEY COLLECT INFORMATION 329 00:19:33,539 --> 00:19:36,000 ABOUT U.S. INTENTIONS, POLICY INTENTIONS TOWARD MOSCOW OR BEIJING OR TEHRAN, IT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THOSE COUNTRIES. 330 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,000 ABOUT U.S. INTENTIONS, POLICY INTENTIONS TOWARD MOSCOW OR BEIJING OR TEHRAN, IT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THOSE COUNTRIES. 331 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:42,848 ABOUT U.S. INTENTIONS, POLICY INTENTIONS TOWARD MOSCOW OR BEIJING OR TEHRAN, IT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THOSE COUNTRIES. 332 00:19:42,915 --> 00:19:48,000 >> Reporter: THAT WAS THIS MAN'S JOB WHEN HE WAS A CUBAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER, ENCODING MESSAGES INTERCEPTED FROM THE 333 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,958 >> Reporter: THAT WAS THIS MAN'S JOB WHEN HE WAS A CUBAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER, ENCODING MESSAGES INTERCEPTED FROM THE 334 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:54,000 U.S. JOSE COHEN DEFECTED IN 1994. [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] 335 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,965 U.S. JOSE COHEN DEFECTED IN 1994. [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] 336 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:06,000 CUBA SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES, HE TOLD US, COUNTRIES LIKE THE SOVIET FOR YEARS, 337 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:06,171 CUBA SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES, HE TOLD US, COUNTRIES LIKE THE SOVIET FOR YEARS, 338 00:20:06,238 --> 00:20:12,000 COUNTRIES LIKE NORTH KOREA, COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN HAD INFORMATION ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT. 339 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,545 COUNTRIES LIKE NORTH KOREA, COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN HAD INFORMATION ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT. 340 00:20:13,612 --> 00:20:18,000 >> YOU SAY CUBA MAY NOT HAVE THE WEAPONS. CUBA MAY NOT HAVE THE ARMS, BUT THEY SELL THESE SECRETS TO THE 341 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,519 >> YOU SAY CUBA MAY NOT HAVE THE WEAPONS. CUBA MAY NOT HAVE THE ARMS, BUT THEY SELL THESE SECRETS TO THE 342 00:20:20,586 --> 00:20:24,000 ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES. "THE STRONGEST ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES. ALL OF THAT WAS WHAT MADE ME 343 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,428 ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES. "THE STRONGEST ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES. ALL OF THAT WAS WHAT MADE ME 344 00:20:29,494 --> 00:20:30,000 REALIZE THIS WAS A BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. CUBA WAS AT THE SERVICE OF ALL THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED 345 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:36,000 REALIZE THIS WAS A BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. CUBA WAS AT THE SERVICE OF ALL THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED 346 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,935 REALIZE THIS WAS A BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. CUBA WAS AT THE SERVICE OF ALL THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED 347 00:20:37,002 --> 00:20:42,000 STATES." AFTER JOSE COHEN SET FOOT ON U.S. SOIL, HE SHARED A VITAL PIECE OF INFORMATION WITH THE 348 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,008 STATES." AFTER JOSE COHEN SET FOOT ON U.S. SOIL, HE SHARED A VITAL PIECE OF INFORMATION WITH THE 349 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:48,000 FBI. THAT LED TO THE INVESTIGATION OF MORE THAN 100 SUSPECTED CUBAN AGENTS AND ILLEGAL OFFICERS AND 350 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,247 FBI. THAT LED TO THE INVESTIGATION OF MORE THAN 100 SUSPECTED CUBAN AGENTS AND ILLEGAL OFFICERS AND 351 00:20:49,314 --> 00:20:54,000 ULTIMATELY ONE VERY IMPORTANT SPY. COHEN HANDED OVER AN ENCRYPTION KEY, LIKE THIS ONE, USED BY 352 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:54,953 ULTIMATELY ONE VERY IMPORTANT SPY. COHEN HANDED OVER AN ENCRYPTION KEY, LIKE THIS ONE, USED BY 353 00:20:55,020 --> 00:21:00,000 CUBAN SPIES TO SEND AND RECEIVE SECRET MESSAGES WITH HAVANA. >> Reporter: THREE NIGHTS A WEEK AT 9:00 P.M. AND THEN AGAIN AT 354 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,000 CUBAN SPIES TO SEND AND RECEIVE SECRET MESSAGES WITH HAVANA. >> Reporter: THREE NIGHTS A WEEK AT 9:00 P.M. AND THEN AGAIN AT 355 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:11,169 CUBAN SPIES TO SEND AND RECEIVE SECRET MESSAGES WITH HAVANA. >> Reporter: THREE NIGHTS A WEEK AT 9:00 P.M. AND THEN AGAIN AT 356 00:21:11,236 --> 00:21:12,000 10:00, A SERIES OF NUMBERED CODES WAS BROADCAST OUT OF HAVANA. [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL 357 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,042 10:00, A SERIES OF NUMBERED CODES WAS BROADCAST OUT OF HAVANA. [ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL 358 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:18,000 LANGUAGE ] >> Reporter: THE SIGNAL COULD BE HEARD FOR MOST OF THE 1990s UP THE EAST COAST AS FAR NORTH AS 359 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:24,000 LANGUAGE ] >> Reporter: THE SIGNAL COULD BE HEARD FOR MOST OF THE 1990s UP THE EAST COAST AS FAR NORTH AS 360 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:24,316 LANGUAGE ] >> Reporter: THE SIGNAL COULD BE HEARD FOR MOST OF THE 1990s UP THE EAST COAST AS FAR NORTH AS 361 00:21:24,383 --> 00:21:30,000 MAINE. BUT THE CODED MESSAGES WERE ONLY MEANT OTO BE DECODED BY THEIR AGENTS, INCLUDING ANA MONTES, 362 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:30,922 MAINE. BUT THE CODED MESSAGES WERE ONLY MEANT OTO BE DECODED BY THEIR AGENTS, INCLUDING ANA MONTES, 363 00:21:30,989 --> 00:21:36,000 WHO LIVED IN THIS QUIET WASHINGTON NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THIS IS WHERE SHE DID ALL OF THE BUSINESS, ALL OF THE SPY 364 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:36,595 WHO LIVED IN THIS QUIET WASHINGTON NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THIS IS WHERE SHE DID ALL OF THE BUSINESS, ALL OF THE SPY 365 00:21:36,662 --> 00:21:42,000 BUSINESS? >> EXACTLY. SHE WOULD LISTEN TO THE HIGH FREQUENCY MESSAGES UPSTAIRS, 366 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,501 BUSINESS? >> EXACTLY. SHE WOULD LISTEN TO THE HIGH FREQUENCY MESSAGES UPSTAIRS, 367 00:21:42,567 --> 00:21:47,739 TUESDAY, THURSDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT. SHE WOULD TYPE UP HER MESSAGES IN HER COMPUTER IN HER BEDROOM 368 00:21:47,806 --> 00:21:48,000 RIGHT UP HERE. THIS IS THE AREA SHE LIVED IN CAMOUFLAGED, THE FACT SHE WAS COMMITTING ESPIONAGE RIGHT HERE. 369 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:54,000 RIGHT UP HERE. THIS IS THE AREA SHE LIVED IN CAMOUFLAGED, THE FACT SHE WAS COMMITTING ESPIONAGE RIGHT HERE. 370 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,247 RIGHT UP HERE. THIS IS THE AREA SHE LIVED IN CAMOUFLAGED, THE FACT SHE WAS COMMITTING ESPIONAGE RIGHT HERE. 371 00:21:55,313 --> 00:22:00,000 >> Reporter: PETER LAPP IS A RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT WHO WAS ON THE TEAM THAT LED THE MONTES INVESTIGATION. 372 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,920 >> Reporter: PETER LAPP IS A RETIRED FBI SPECIAL AGENT WHO WAS ON THE TEAM THAT LED THE MONTES INVESTIGATION. 373 00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:06,000 >> HOW DID SHE DO IT? >> SHE WENT TO WORK, MEMORIZED THREE THINGS EVERY DAY, WENT HOME, AND ALL CLASSIFIED, AND 374 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,226 >> HOW DID SHE DO IT? >> SHE WENT TO WORK, MEMORIZED THREE THINGS EVERY DAY, WENT HOME, AND ALL CLASSIFIED, AND 375 00:22:08,293 --> 00:22:12,000 WOULD WRITE THEM UP OR TYPE THEM UP. AND THEN EVERY TWO OR THREE WEEKS, SHE WOULD MEET IN PERSON 376 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,568 WOULD WRITE THEM UP OR TYPE THEM UP. AND THEN EVERY TWO OR THREE WEEKS, SHE WOULD MEET IN PERSON 377 00:22:16,635 --> 00:22:18,000 AT LUNCH, BROAD DAYLIGHT, TWO TO THREE HOURS OVER LUNCH. >> MAYBE I'VE SEEN TOO MANY MOVIES. 378 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:23,341 AT LUNCH, BROAD DAYLIGHT, TWO TO THREE HOURS OVER LUNCH. >> MAYBE I'VE SEEN TOO MANY MOVIES. 379 00:22:23,408 --> 00:22:24,000 WHEN I THINK SPIES, I'M THINKING DARK OF NIGHT, PARK BENCH, SECRET CAMERAS, FANCY GADGETS. >> RIGHT. 380 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:30,000 WHEN I THINK SPIES, I'M THINKING DARK OF NIGHT, PARK BENCH, SECRET CAMERAS, FANCY GADGETS. >> RIGHT. 381 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,916 WHEN I THINK SPIES, I'M THINKING DARK OF NIGHT, PARK BENCH, SECRET CAMERAS, FANCY GADGETS. >> RIGHT. 382 00:22:30,982 --> 00:22:36,000 >> THAT WASN'T HER? >> EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY GOES HOME WITH CLASSIFIED INFORMATION IN 383 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,523 >> THAT WASN'T HER? >> EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY GOES HOME WITH CLASSIFIED INFORMATION IN 384 00:22:38,590 --> 00:22:42,000 THEIR HEAD. AND YOU CAN'T STOP THAT WITH GUARDS AND TECHNOLOGY. IT'S JUST -- IT'S UNDEFEATABLE. 385 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,363 THEIR HEAD. AND YOU CAN'T STOP THAT WITH GUARDS AND TECHNOLOGY. IT'S JUST -- IT'S UNDEFEATABLE. 386 00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:48,000 >> LAPP WROTE A BOOK ON THE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO MONTES. HE TOLD US, HAVANA DOESN'T PAY ITS SPIES, SO AMERICANS WHO SPY 387 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,105 >> LAPP WROTE A BOOK ON THE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO MONTES. HE TOLD US, HAVANA DOESN'T PAY ITS SPIES, SO AMERICANS WHO SPY 388 00:22:53,171 --> 00:22:54,000 FOR CUBA DON'T DO IT FOR MONEY BUT RATHER ARE DRIVEN BY IDEOLOGY. AMBASSADOR ROCHA WAS RECRUITED 389 00:22:54,000 --> 00:23:00,000 FOR CUBA DON'T DO IT FOR MONEY BUT RATHER ARE DRIVEN BY IDEOLOGY. AMBASSADOR ROCHA WAS RECRUITED 390 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:00,078 FOR CUBA DON'T DO IT FOR MONEY BUT RATHER ARE DRIVEN BY IDEOLOGY. AMBASSADOR ROCHA WAS RECRUITED 391 00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:06,000 IN THE LATE 1970s, INFLUENCED, HE NOW SAYS, BY THE RADICAL POLITICS OF THE DAY. MONTES WAS A STUDENT AT THE 392 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,588 IN THE LATE 1970s, INFLUENCED, HE NOW SAYS, BY THE RADICAL POLITICS OF THE DAY. MONTES WAS A STUDENT AT THE 393 00:23:09,654 --> 00:23:12,000 JOHNS HOPKINS SCHOOL OF ADVANCED INTERNATIONAL STUDIES IN THE 1980s AND WAS OUTSPOKEN ABOUT HER ANGER TOWARD U.S. POLICY AND 394 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,395 JOHNS HOPKINS SCHOOL OF ADVANCED INTERNATIONAL STUDIES IN THE 1980s AND WAS OUTSPOKEN ABOUT HER ANGER TOWARD U.S. POLICY AND 395 00:23:17,462 --> 00:23:18,000 LATIN AMERICA, WHEN SHE WAS RECRUITED BY A CUBAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. MONTES' FATHER WAS A U.S. ARMY 396 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:24,000 LATIN AMERICA, WHEN SHE WAS RECRUITED BY A CUBAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. MONTES' FATHER WAS A U.S. ARMY 397 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,336 LATIN AMERICA, WHEN SHE WAS RECRUITED BY A CUBAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. MONTES' FATHER WAS A U.S. ARMY 398 00:23:24,402 --> 00:23:30,000 DOCTOR AND HER SIBLINGS WORKED FOR THE FBI. ONE OF HER FIRST JOBS OUT OF GRADUATE SCHOOL WAS AS AN 399 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,076 DOCTOR AND HER SIBLINGS WORKED FOR THE FBI. ONE OF HER FIRST JOBS OUT OF GRADUATE SCHOOL WAS AS AN 400 00:23:31,143 --> 00:23:36,000 ANALYST AT THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. >> SO, ANA MONTES WAS ALREADY A FULL-FLEDGED CUBAN SPY FROM THE 401 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,349 ANALYST AT THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. >> SO, ANA MONTES WAS ALREADY A FULL-FLEDGED CUBAN SPY FROM THE 402 00:23:37,415 --> 00:23:42,000 MOMENT THAT SHE SET FOOT INSIDE THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. >> SHE WALKED IN FULLY RECRUITED DAY ONE. 403 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,954 MOMENT THAT SHE SET FOOT INSIDE THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. >> SHE WALKED IN FULLY RECRUITED DAY ONE. 404 00:23:43,021 --> 00:23:48,000 ONLY WENT TO DIA FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPYING FOR THE CUBANS. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN 405 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,095 ONLY WENT TO DIA FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPYING FOR THE CUBANS. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN 406 00:23:50,162 --> 00:23:54,000 ARRESTED FOR ESPIONAE, MOST START LOYAL. THEY TAKE THE OATH. THEY INTEND TO ABIDE BY THAT 407 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,169 ARRESTED FOR ESPIONAE, MOST START LOYAL. THEY TAKE THE OATH. THEY INTEND TO ABIDE BY THAT 408 00:23:57,235 --> 00:24:00,000 OATH. BUT THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY FLIP. AND ANA'S UNIQUE IN THE SENSE 409 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,074 OATH. BUT THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY FLIP. AND ANA'S UNIQUE IN THE SENSE 410 00:24:03,141 --> 00:24:06,000 THAT SHE WALKED IN FROM DAY ONE AND WAS AN INSIDER THREAT AND ONLY WENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPYING FOR THE CUBANS. 411 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,046 THAT SHE WALKED IN FROM DAY ONE AND WAS AN INSIDER THREAT AND ONLY WENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPYING FOR THE CUBANS. 412 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:12,000 >> HOW DOES A CUBAN SPY WALK THROUGH THE DOORS OF THE DIA AND GET A JOB? SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE A 413 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,087 >> HOW DOES A CUBAN SPY WALK THROUGH THE DOORS OF THE DIA AND GET A JOB? SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE A 414 00:24:16,154 --> 00:24:18,000 POLYGRAPH? >> THEY DID NOT HAVE A POLYGRAPH PROGRAM AT THE TIME. >> Reporter: OVER THE COURSE OF 415 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,225 POLYGRAPH? >> THEY DID NOT HAVE A POLYGRAPH PROGRAM AT THE TIME. >> Reporter: OVER THE COURSE OF 416 00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:24,000 HER CAREER, SHE BECAME SUCH AN EXPERT THAT SHE WAS KNOWN IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AS THE QUEEN OF CUBA. 417 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,766 HER CAREER, SHE BECAME SUCH AN EXPERT THAT SHE WAS KNOWN IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AS THE QUEEN OF CUBA. 418 00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:30,000 ALL THE WHILE, SHE WAS EXPOSING NATIONAL SECRETS TO HAVANA. THE FBI SURVEILLED HER FOR A YEAR BEFORE HER ARREST, AS SHE 419 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,973 ALL THE WHILE, SHE WAS EXPOSING NATIONAL SECRETS TO HAVANA. THE FBI SURVEILLED HER FOR A YEAR BEFORE HER ARREST, AS SHE 420 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,000 WALKED TO WORK AND CALLED HER CUBAN HANDLER. BY THAT TIME, SHE HAD REVEALED THE EXISTENCE OF A TOP SECRET 421 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:42,000 WALKED TO WORK AND CALLED HER CUBAN HANDLER. BY THAT TIME, SHE HAD REVEALED THE EXISTENCE OF A TOP SECRET 422 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,614 WALKED TO WORK AND CALLED HER CUBAN HANDLER. BY THAT TIME, SHE HAD REVEALED THE EXISTENCE OF A TOP SECRET 423 00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:48,000 SATELLITE PROGRAM USED BY THE U.S. TO SPY ON OTHER COUNTRIES. SHE ALSO GAVE HAVANA THE NAMES OF 450 AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE 424 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,222 SATELLITE PROGRAM USED BY THE U.S. TO SPY ON OTHER COUNTRIES. SHE ALSO GAVE HAVANA THE NAMES OF 450 AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE 425 00:24:50,288 --> 00:24:54,000 OFFICIALS WORKING ON LATIN AMERICAN ISSUES, INCLUDING FOUR UNDERCOVER OFFICERS STATIONED IN CUBA. 426 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,429 OFFICIALS WORKING ON LATIN AMERICAN ISSUES, INCLUDING FOUR UNDERCOVER OFFICERS STATIONED IN CUBA. 427 00:24:57,495 --> 00:25:00,000 AND SHE GOT AWAY WITH IT FOR 17 YEARS, UNTIL SHE WAS ARRESTED IN 2001 AT HER OFFICE BY FBI SPECIAL AGENT PETER LAPP AND HIS 428 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,000 AND SHE GOT AWAY WITH IT FOR 17 YEARS, UNTIL SHE WAS ARRESTED IN 2001 AT HER OFFICE BY FBI SPECIAL AGENT PETER LAPP AND HIS 429 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,172 AND SHE GOT AWAY WITH IT FOR 17 YEARS, UNTIL SHE WAS ARRESTED IN 2001 AT HER OFFICE BY FBI SPECIAL AGENT PETER LAPP AND HIS 430 00:25:07,239 --> 00:25:12,000 PARTNER, STEPHEN McCOY. >> SHE DIDN'T FIT THE PROFILE OF A TYPICAL SPY. >> NO. 431 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,978 PARTNER, STEPHEN McCOY. >> SHE DIDN'T FIT THE PROFILE OF A TYPICAL SPY. >> NO. 432 00:25:13,044 --> 00:25:18,000 BEING A WOMAN IS INCREDIBLY UNIQUE. SO, IT DOESN'T FIT THAT TYPICAL WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR IN A SPY, 433 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,484 BEING A WOMAN IS INCREDIBLY UNIQUE. SO, IT DOESN'T FIT THAT TYPICAL WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR IN A SPY, 434 00:25:19,551 --> 00:25:24,000 WHICH IS MOSTLY MEN. >> MONTES PLEADED GUILTY TO ESPIONAGE. AND IN EXCHANGE FOR NOT SPENDING 435 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,390 WHICH IS MOSTLY MEN. >> MONTES PLEADED GUILTY TO ESPIONAGE. AND IN EXCHANGE FOR NOT SPENDING 436 00:25:25,457 --> 00:25:30,000 THE REST OF HER LIFE IN PRISON, SHE AGREED TO TELL THE FBI EVERYTHING SHE HAD DONE. >> I WOULDN'T MIND AT ALL 437 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,499 THE REST OF HER LIFE IN PRISON, SHE AGREED TO TELL THE FBI EVERYTHING SHE HAD DONE. >> I WOULDN'T MIND AT ALL 438 00:25:34,566 --> 00:25:36,000 MEETING TWO FRIDAYS A MONTH. >> Reporter: THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, WE OBTAINED THIS FOOTAGE SEEN HERE FOR THE 439 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,606 MEETING TWO FRIDAYS A MONTH. >> Reporter: THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, WE OBTAINED THIS FOOTAGE SEEN HERE FOR THE 440 00:25:41,673 --> 00:25:42,000 FIRST TIME OF MONTES WEARING PRISON STRIPES SPEAKING WITH FBI INVESTIGATORS. SITING MONTES' RIGHT TO PRIVACY, 441 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:48,000 FIRST TIME OF MONTES WEARING PRISON STRIPES SPEAKING WITH FBI INVESTIGATORS. SITING MONTES' RIGHT TO PRIVACY, 442 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,016 FIRST TIME OF MONTES WEARING PRISON STRIPES SPEAKING WITH FBI INVESTIGATORS. SITING MONTES' RIGHT TO PRIVACY, 443 00:25:51,082 --> 00:25:54,000 THE FBI DENIED OUR REQUEST TO AUDIO, BUT WE OBTAINED A TRANSCRIPT OF THE FIRST DAY WHERE MONTES DESCRIBED HOW DEEP 444 00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:00,000 THE FBI DENIED OUR REQUEST TO AUDIO, BUT WE OBTAINED A TRANSCRIPT OF THE FIRST DAY WHERE MONTES DESCRIBED HOW DEEP 445 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,492 THE FBI DENIED OUR REQUEST TO AUDIO, BUT WE OBTAINED A TRANSCRIPT OF THE FIRST DAY WHERE MONTES DESCRIBED HOW DEEP 446 00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:06,000 IN SHE WAS. SHE SAYS, EVER SINCE I STARTED HELPING THE CUBANS, THERE'S BEEN NO HALFWAY. 447 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,031 IN SHE WAS. SHE SAYS, EVER SINCE I STARTED HELPING THE CUBANS, THERE'S BEEN NO HALFWAY. 448 00:26:06,097 --> 00:26:10,568 I DON'T KNOW HOW A PERSON DOES IT WITHOUT FEELING MORALLY BOUND. IT'S A FULL COMMITMENT, 449 00:26:10,635 --> 00:26:12,000 MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY. I FEEL THAT WHAT I DID WAS MORALLY RIGHT, THAT I WAS 450 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,308 MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY. I FEEL THAT WHAT I DID WAS MORALLY RIGHT, THAT I WAS 451 00:26:16,374 --> 00:26:18,000 FAITHFUL TO PRINCIPLES THAT WERE RIGHT. MONTES TOLD THE AGENTS HER ONLY REGRET WAS THAT SHE WAS FORCED 452 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,713 FAITHFUL TO PRINCIPLES THAT WERE RIGHT. MONTES TOLD THE AGENTS HER ONLY REGRET WAS THAT SHE WAS FORCED 453 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:24,000 TO COOPERATE WITH THE FBI AS PART OF HER PLEA DEAL. IT'S TEARING ME UP, SHE SAID. BUT IF THE ONLY WAY I'M GOING TO 454 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,000 TO COOPERATE WITH THE FBI AS PART OF HER PLEA DEAL. IT'S TEARING ME UP, SHE SAID. BUT IF THE ONLY WAY I'M GOING TO 455 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,023 TO COOPERATE WITH THE FBI AS PART OF HER PLEA DEAL. IT'S TEARING ME UP, SHE SAID. BUT IF THE ONLY WAY I'M GOING TO 456 00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:36,000 SE MY FAMILY AGAIN, IT'S THE ONLY WAY. AGENT LAPP SAT ACROSS FROM ANA MONTES IN THE INTERROGATION ROOM 457 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,165 SE MY FAMILY AGAIN, IT'S THE ONLY WAY. AGENT LAPP SAT ACROSS FROM ANA MONTES IN THE INTERROGATION ROOM 458 00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:42,000 FOR SEVEN MONTHS. HE SAID ONE OF THE MOST SOBERING MOMENTS WAS HOW FAR SHE SAID SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO GO FOR THE 459 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,372 FOR SEVEN MONTHS. HE SAID ONE OF THE MOST SOBERING MOMENTS WAS HOW FAR SHE SAID SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO GO FOR THE 460 00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:48,000 CUBANS IN THE WEEKS AFTER 9/11. >> SHE SAID, IF THE CUBANS ASKED ME TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING IN 461 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:54,000 CUBANS IN THE WEEKS AFTER 9/11. >> SHE SAID, IF THE CUBANS ASKED ME TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING IN 462 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,879 CUBANS IN THE WEEKS AFTER 9/11. >> SHE SAID, IF THE CUBANS ASKED ME TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING IN 463 00:26:54,946 --> 00:27:00,000 AFGHANISTAN, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT. AND IF MEN AND WOMEN WERE KILLED AS A RESULT OF MY INTELLIGENCE 464 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,754 AFGHANISTAN, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT. AND IF MEN AND WOMEN WERE KILLED AS A RESULT OF MY INTELLIGENCE 465 00:27:02,821 --> 00:27:06,000 IN AFGHANISTAN, SHE TOLD US, THAT'S THE RISK THEY TOOK. >> WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE THAT SHE DID? 466 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,727 IN AFGHANISTAN, SHE TOLD US, THAT'S THE RISK THEY TOOK. >> WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE THAT SHE DID? 467 00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:12,000 >> I DO THINK SHE'S IN THAT TIER OF SOME OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS SPIES IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AND I THINK THE DAMAGE THAT SHE 468 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,000 >> I DO THINK SHE'S IN THAT TIER OF SOME OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS SPIES IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AND I THINK THE DAMAGE THAT SHE 469 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,538 >> I DO THINK SHE'S IN THAT TIER OF SOME OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS SPIES IN AMERICAN HISTORY. AND I THINK THE DAMAGE THAT SHE 470 00:27:20,605 --> 00:27:24,000 DID WAS INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. >> AFTER SERVING 20 YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON, ANA MONTES WAS RELEASED IN JANUARY OF 2023. 471 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,000 DID WAS INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. >> AFTER SERVING 20 YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON, ANA MONTES WAS RELEASED IN JANUARY OF 2023. 472 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,515 DID WAS INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. >> AFTER SERVING 20 YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON, ANA MONTES WAS RELEASED IN JANUARY OF 2023. 473 00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:36,000 SHE'S NOW LIVING IN PUERTO RICO, WHERE SHE HAS FAMILY AND HAS BEEN CELEBRATED BY SOME AS A HERO, SEEN HERE RECENTLY 474 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,224 SHE'S NOW LIVING IN PUERTO RICO, WHERE SHE HAS FAMILY AND HAS BEEN CELEBRATED BY SOME AS A HERO, SEEN HERE RECENTLY 475 00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:42,000 RECEIVING AN AWARD FROM SUPPORTERS. FORMER AMBASSADOR VICTOR MANUEL ROCHA TOLD A JUDGE HE WAS DEEPLY 476 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,000 RECEIVING AN AWARD FROM SUPPORTERS. FORMER AMBASSADOR VICTOR MANUEL ROCHA TOLD A JUDGE HE WAS DEEPLY 477 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,633 RECEIVING AN AWARD FROM SUPPORTERS. FORMER AMBASSADOR VICTOR MANUEL ROCHA TOLD A JUDGE HE WAS DEEPLY 478 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:54,000 SORRY AND PLEADED GUILTY TO ACTING AS AN AGENT OF THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT. AT AGE 73, HE WAS SENTENCED TO 479 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,973 SORRY AND PLEADED GUILTY TO ACTING AS AN AGENT OF THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT. AT AGE 73, HE WAS SENTENCED TO 480 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,000 15 YEARS IN PRISON AND IS CURRENTLY COOPERATING WITH INVESTIGATORS. JUST HOW MANY STATE SECRETS HE 481 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,912 15 YEARS IN PRISON AND IS CURRENTLY COOPERATING WITH INVESTIGATORS. JUST HOW MANY STATE SECRETS HE 482 00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:06,000 GAVE TO CUBA, WE MAY NEVER KNOW. NEARLY ALL THE DETAILS OF HIS SPYCRAFT REMAIN CLASSIFIED. ANA MONTES HAS YET TO PUBLICLY 483 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:12,000 GAVE TO CUBA, WE MAY NEVER KNOW. NEARLY ALL THE DETAILS OF HIS SPYCRAFT REMAIN CLASSIFIED. ANA MONTES HAS YET TO PUBLICLY 484 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,058 GAVE TO CUBA, WE MAY NEVER KNOW. NEARLY ALL THE DETAILS OF HIS SPYCRAFT REMAIN CLASSIFIED. ANA MONTES HAS YET TO PUBLICLY 485 00:28:13,124 --> 00:28:16,528 EXPRESS ANY REMORSE. >> DO YOU THINK THERE ARE OTHER ANA MONTES' IN THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW? 486 00:28:16,594 --> 00:28:18,000 >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S CHILLING. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE 487 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,067 >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S CHILLING. >> THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE 488 00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:24,000 CUBANS AND THE RUSSIANS AND OTHERS ARE STILL PENETRATING OUR GOVERNMENT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOYAL TO THEM AND NOT TO US. 489 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:30,000 CUBANS AND THE RUSSIANS AND OTHERS ARE STILL PENETRATING OUR GOVERNMENT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOYAL TO THEM AND NOT TO US. 490 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,575 CUBANS AND THE RUSSIANS AND OTHERS ARE STILL PENETRATING OUR GOVERNMENT WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LOYAL TO THEM AND NOT TO US. 491 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:42,000 >>> BY THE TIME THE NEW PLAY OPENED LAST WEEK OFF BROADWAY BY ACCLAIMED WRITER AND DIRECTOR MOISES KAUFMAN, IT HAD ALREADY 492 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:48,000 >>> BY THE TIME THE NEW PLAY OPENED LAST WEEK OFF BROADWAY BY ACCLAIMED WRITER AND DIRECTOR MOISES KAUFMAN, IT HAD ALREADY 493 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,961 >>> BY THE TIME THE NEW PLAY OPENED LAST WEEK OFF BROADWAY BY ACCLAIMED WRITER AND DIRECTOR MOISES KAUFMAN, IT HAD ALREADY 494 00:28:50,028 --> 00:28:54,000 BEEN NOMINATED FOR A PULITZER PRIZE. IT'S BASED ON THE TRUE STORY OF A PHOTO ALBUM FROM AUSCHWITZ 495 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,535 BEEN NOMINATED FOR A PULITZER PRIZE. IT'S BASED ON THE TRUE STORY OF A PHOTO ALBUM FROM AUSCHWITZ 496 00:28:57,602 --> 00:29:00,000 THAT WAS SENT TO THE UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM. THE ALBUM TURNED OUT TO BE THE 497 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:06,000 THAT WAS SENT TO THE UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM. THE ALBUM TURNED OUT TO BE THE 498 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,211 THAT WAS SENT TO THE UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM. THE ALBUM TURNED OUT TO BE THE 499 00:29:06,277 --> 00:29:12,000 SCRAPBOOK OF A NAZI, AN S.S. OFFICER WHO HELPED RUN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF AUSCHWITZ, WHERE ABOUT 500 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,119 SCRAPBOOK OF A NAZI, AN S.S. OFFICER WHO HELPED RUN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF AUSCHWITZ, WHERE ABOUT 501 00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:18,000 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE, MOSTLY JEWS, WERE MURDERED BETWEEN 1940 AND 1945. THE ALBUM DOESN'T SHOW ANY 502 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,492 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE, MOSTLY JEWS, WERE MURDERED BETWEEN 1940 AND 1945. THE ALBUM DOESN'T SHOW ANY 503 00:29:20,558 --> 00:29:24,000 PRISONERS OR GAS CHAMBERS. WHAT IT DOES SHOW ARE SOME OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS KILLERS IN HISTORY SEEMINGLY ENJOYING 504 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,166 PRISONERS OR GAS CHAMBERS. WHAT IT DOES SHOW ARE SOME OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS KILLERS IN HISTORY SEEMINGLY ENJOYING 505 00:29:28,233 --> 00:29:30,000 THEMSELVES. THAT'S WHAT MUSEUM OFFICIALS FOUND SO CHILLING AND WHAT MOISES KAUFMAN SPENT 14 YEARS 506 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,706 THEMSELVES. THAT'S WHAT MUSEUM OFFICIALS FOUND SO CHILLING AND WHAT MOISES KAUFMAN SPENT 14 YEARS 507 00:29:34,772 --> 00:29:36,000 CREATING A PLAY ABOUT. >> WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS, I GOT GOOSEBUMPS. AND I REMEMBER THINKING, YOU 508 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:42,000 CREATING A PLAY ABOUT. >> WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS, I GOT GOOSEBUMPS. AND I REMEMBER THINKING, YOU 509 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,981 CREATING A PLAY ABOUT. >> WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS, I GOT GOOSEBUMPS. AND I REMEMBER THINKING, YOU 510 00:29:43,047 --> 00:29:48,000 KNOW, MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY DIED IN AUSCHWITZ. AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING IT. 511 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,754 KNOW, MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY DIED IN AUSCHWITZ. AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING IT. 512 00:29:49,821 --> 00:29:54,000 AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY REMORSE. SEEING THAT IN A PHOTOGRAPH SO CLEARLY ARTICULATED IS 513 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,161 AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY REMORSE. SEEING THAT IN A PHOTOGRAPH SO CLEARLY ARTICULATED IS 514 00:29:56,227 --> 00:30:00,000 TERRIFYING. THIS IS TERRIFYING BECAUSE THEY ALL LOOK SO MUCH LIKE US. >> Reporter: THE PHOTOGRAPHS MAY 515 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,934 TERRIFYING. THIS IS TERRIFYING BECAUSE THEY ALL LOOK SO MUCH LIKE US. >> Reporter: THE PHOTOGRAPHS MAY 516 00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:06,000 APPEAR UNREMARKABLE AT FIRST. S.S. OFFICERS AT DINNER PARTIES, DRINKING, SOCIALIZING, FLIRTING WITH THEIR YOUNG NAZI 517 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,742 APPEAR UNREMARKABLE AT FIRST. S.S. OFFICERS AT DINNER PARTIES, DRINKING, SOCIALIZING, FLIRTING WITH THEIR YOUNG NAZI 518 00:30:10,808 --> 00:30:12,000 SECRETARIES. BUT WHEN THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN, THE GERMANS WERE LOSING THE WAR AND EXTERMINATING MORE 519 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,000 SECRETARIES. BUT WHEN THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN, THE GERMANS WERE LOSING THE WAR AND EXTERMINATING MORE 520 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,349 SECRETARIES. BUT WHEN THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN, THE GERMANS WERE LOSING THE WAR AND EXTERMINATING MORE 521 00:30:18,416 --> 00:30:24,000 JEWS IN AUSCHWITZ THAN AT ANY OTHER TIME DURING THE HOLOCAUST. SEVERAL IMAGES SHOW AN S.S. OFFICER GIVING HIS SECRETARIES 522 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,724 JEWS IN AUSCHWITZ THAN AT ANY OTHER TIME DURING THE HOLOCAUST. SEVERAL IMAGES SHOW AN S.S. OFFICER GIVING HIS SECRETARIES 523 00:30:26,791 --> 00:30:30,000 BLUEBERRIES WHILE A MAN PLAYS AN ACCORDION. THE ENCRYPTION READS, HERE, THERE ARE BLUEBERRIES. 524 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,997 BLUEBERRIES WHILE A MAN PLAYS AN ACCORDION. THE ENCRYPTION READS, HERE, THERE ARE BLUEBERRIES. 525 00:30:33,064 --> 00:30:36,000 MOISES KAUFMAN PICKED THAT FOR THE TITLE OF HIS PLAY. >> I WANTED THE AUDIENCE TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD 526 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,536 MOISES KAUFMAN PICKED THAT FOR THE TITLE OF HIS PLAY. >> I WANTED THE AUDIENCE TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD 527 00:30:38,603 --> 00:30:42,000 LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS. >> WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE SERIES OF THE WOMEN EATING BLUEBERRIES THAT SO STRUCK YOU? 528 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,443 LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS. >> WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE SERIES OF THE WOMEN EATING BLUEBERRIES THAT SO STRUCK YOU? 529 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:48,000 >> THAT THEY WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, TEENAGE GIRLS WHO WERE SECRETARIES. EVERYBODY IS SHOWING THE 530 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,982 >> THAT THEY WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, TEENAGE GIRLS WHO WERE SECRETARIES. EVERYBODY IS SHOWING THE 531 00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:54,000 PHOTOGRAPHER THEIR EMPTY PLATES, BUT THERE'S ONE OF THE WOMEN WHO'S PRETEND CRYING. SO, SHE'S SO SAD BECAUSE SHE'S 532 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,957 PHOTOGRAPHER THEIR EMPTY PLATES, BUT THERE'S ONE OF THE WOMEN WHO'S PRETEND CRYING. SO, SHE'S SO SAD BECAUSE SHE'S 533 00:30:59,023 --> 00:31:00,000 RUN OUT OF BLUEBERRIES. AND OUTSIDE OF THE FRAME, THERE'S 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING KILLED. 534 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,896 RUN OUT OF BLUEBERRIES. AND OUTSIDE OF THE FRAME, THERE'S 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING KILLED. 535 00:31:04,963 --> 00:31:06,000 SO, HOW DO YOU LEAD YOUR DAILY LIVES AND AT THE SAME TIME PARTICIPATE IN ONE OF THE LARGEST KILLING MACHINES IN THE 536 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,000 SO, HOW DO YOU LEAD YOUR DAILY LIVES AND AT THE SAME TIME PARTICIPATE IN ONE OF THE LARGEST KILLING MACHINES IN THE 537 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,674 SO, HOW DO YOU LEAD YOUR DAILY LIVES AND AT THE SAME TIME PARTICIPATE IN ONE OF THE LARGEST KILLING MACHINES IN THE 538 00:31:16,741 --> 00:31:18,000 HISTORY OF MANKIND? >> RAIN FROM A CLEAR SKY. >> Reporter: KAUFMAN'S PLAY IS CENTERED ON THE MUSEUM 539 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:24,000 HISTORY OF MANKIND? >> RAIN FROM A CLEAR SKY. >> Reporter: KAUFMAN'S PLAY IS CENTERED ON THE MUSEUM 540 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:30,000 HISTORY OF MANKIND? >> RAIN FROM A CLEAR SKY. >> Reporter: KAUFMAN'S PLAY IS CENTERED ON THE MUSEUM 541 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,690 HISTORY OF MANKIND? >> RAIN FROM A CLEAR SKY. >> Reporter: KAUFMAN'S PLAY IS CENTERED ON THE MUSEUM 542 00:31:32,757 --> 00:31:36,000 HISTORIANS WHO WORKED WITH SURVIVORS AND EVEN DESCENDANTS OF NAZIS THEMSELVES TO UNCOVER WHAT THE ALBUM WAS. 543 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,063 HISTORIANS WHO WORKED WITH SURVIVORS AND EVEN DESCENDANTS OF NAZIS THEMSELVES TO UNCOVER WHAT THE ALBUM WAS. 544 00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:42,000 >> THE IMAGES APPEAR TO BE STRAIGHT OUT OF A HOLIDAY SCRAPBOOK. >> Reporter: NO ONE HAD EVER 545 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,336 >> THE IMAGES APPEAR TO BE STRAIGHT OUT OF A HOLIDAY SCRAPBOOK. >> Reporter: NO ONE HAD EVER 546 00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:48,000 SEEN IMAGES OF THESE BEFORE. THERE WERE FEW PHOTOS AUSCHWITZ BECAUSE THE NAZIS WORKED HARD TO CONCEAL THEIR CRIMES. 547 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:54,000 SEEN IMAGES OF THESE BEFORE. THERE WERE FEW PHOTOS AUSCHWITZ BECAUSE THE NAZIS WORKED HARD TO CONCEAL THEIR CRIMES. 548 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,079 SEEN IMAGES OF THESE BEFORE. THERE WERE FEW PHOTOS AUSCHWITZ BECAUSE THE NAZIS WORKED HARD TO CONCEAL THEIR CRIMES. 549 00:31:55,146 --> 00:32:00,000 KAUFMAN'S MAIN CHARACTER IS REBECCA ERBELDING, PLAYED BY ACTOR ELIZABETH STAHLMANN. >> THIS IS WHEN THE ALBUM 550 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,556 KAUFMAN'S MAIN CHARACTER IS REBECCA ERBELDING, PLAYED BY ACTOR ELIZABETH STAHLMANN. >> THIS IS WHEN THE ALBUM 551 00:32:05,623 --> 00:32:06,000 BECOMES AN OBSESSION FOR ME. >> Reporter: THE REAL REBECCA ERBELDING RECEIVED THE ALBUM FROM A COUNTERINTELLIGENCE 552 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,000 BECOMES AN OBSESSION FOR ME. >> Reporter: THE REAL REBECCA ERBELDING RECEIVED THE ALBUM FROM A COUNTERINTELLIGENCE 553 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,431 BECOMES AN OBSESSION FOR ME. >> Reporter: THE REAL REBECCA ERBELDING RECEIVED THE ALBUM FROM A COUNTERINTELLIGENCE 554 00:32:13,498 --> 00:32:18,000 OFFICER. HE SAID HE FOUND IT IN AN ABANDONED APARTMENT IN WAR TORN FRANKFURT WHILE HUNTING DOWN 555 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,238 OFFICER. HE SAID HE FOUND IT IN AN ABANDONED APARTMENT IN WAR TORN FRANKFURT WHILE HUNTING DOWN 556 00:32:20,305 --> 00:32:24,000 NAZI WAR CRIMINALS. HE DONATED IT TO THE MUSEUM BUT WANTED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS. >> I DIDN'T SEE ANY TRAINS. 557 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,746 NAZI WAR CRIMINALS. HE DONATED IT TO THE MUSEUM BUT WANTED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS. >> I DIDN'T SEE ANY TRAINS. 558 00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:30,000 I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING I RECOGNIZED. IT WAS MAYBE THE THIRD TIME GOING THROUGH IT AND THAT'S WHEN 559 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,000 I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING I RECOGNIZED. IT WAS MAYBE THE THIRD TIME GOING THROUGH IT AND THAT'S WHEN 560 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,256 I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING I RECOGNIZED. IT WAS MAYBE THE THIRD TIME GOING THROUGH IT AND THAT'S WHEN 561 00:32:38,323 --> 00:32:42,000 I SAW JOE MENGELE. >> WE WENT TO A HIGH SECURITY CLIMATE CONTROLLED FACILITY IN MARYLAND, WHERE THE ORIGINAL 562 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,899 I SAW JOE MENGELE. >> WE WENT TO A HIGH SECURITY CLIMATE CONTROLLED FACILITY IN MARYLAND, WHERE THE ORIGINAL 563 00:32:47,965 --> 00:32:48,000 PAGES ARE STORED. >> THAT'S MENGELE, AND THESE ARE THE ONLY KNOWN PHOTOS OF MENGELE WHILE HE WAS STATIONED AT THE 564 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,000 PAGES ARE STORED. >> THAT'S MENGELE, AND THESE ARE THE ONLY KNOWN PHOTOS OF MENGELE WHILE HE WAS STATIONED AT THE 565 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,205 PAGES ARE STORED. >> THAT'S MENGELE, AND THESE ARE THE ONLY KNOWN PHOTOS OF MENGELE WHILE HE WAS STATIONED AT THE 566 00:32:54,272 --> 00:32:59,344 CAMP. >> MENGELE WAS KNOWN AS THE ANGEL OF DEATH. HE CONDUCTED GRUESOME MEDICAL 567 00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:00,000 EXPERIMENTS, MOSTLY ON CHILDREN, AND OFTEN STOOD ON THE PLATFORM WHEN TRAINS ARRIVED, SELECTING WHO WOULD BE SENT TO WORK AND 568 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:06,000 EXPERIMENTS, MOSTLY ON CHILDREN, AND OFTEN STOOD ON THE PLATFORM WHEN TRAINS ARRIVED, SELECTING WHO WOULD BE SENT TO WORK AND 569 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,818 EXPERIMENTS, MOSTLY ON CHILDREN, AND OFTEN STOOD ON THE PLATFORM WHEN TRAINS ARRIVED, SELECTING WHO WOULD BE SENT TO WORK AND 570 00:33:06,884 --> 00:33:12,000 WHO WOULD DIE IMMEDIATELY IN GAS CHAMBERS. >> NOT ONLY IS IT MENGELE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE MOST INFAMOUS 571 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,559 WHO WOULD DIE IMMEDIATELY IN GAS CHAMBERS. >> NOT ONLY IS IT MENGELE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE MOST INFAMOUS 572 00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:18,000 OFFICERS AT THE CAMP. THERE YOU SEE BAER. >> RICHARD BAER IS ON THE ALBUM'S FIRST PAGE. 573 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,301 OFFICERS AT THE CAMP. THERE YOU SEE BAER. >> RICHARD BAER IS ON THE ALBUM'S FIRST PAGE. 574 00:33:23,368 --> 00:33:24,000 HE WAS THE LAST KM-- CHERISHED MEMORIES BEHIND THE SCENES OF A MASSACRE. >> MAY 1944 IS WHEN HOCKER GOT 575 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,000 HE WAS THE LAST KM-- CHERISHED MEMORIES BEHIND THE SCENES OF A MASSACRE. >> MAY 1944 IS WHEN HOCKER GOT 576 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,546 HE WAS THE LAST KM-- CHERISHED MEMORIES BEHIND THE SCENES OF A MASSACRE. >> MAY 1944 IS WHEN HOCKER GOT 577 00:33:35,613 --> 00:33:36,000 TO AUSCHWITZ. >> THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF HIS TIME AT AUSCHWITZ. >> BEFORE THE WAR, HOCKER HAD 578 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,585 TO AUSCHWITZ. >> THIS IS THE ENTIRETY OF HIS TIME AT AUSCHWITZ. >> BEFORE THE WAR, HOCKER HAD 579 00:33:40,651 --> 00:33:42,000 BEEN A STRUGGLING BANK TELLER, BECOMING AN S.S. OFFICER AT AUSCHWITZ WAS CONSIDERED A BIG STEP UP. 580 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,791 BEEN A STRUGGLING BANK TELLER, BECOMING AN S.S. OFFICER AT AUSCHWITZ WAS CONSIDERED A BIG STEP UP. 581 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:48,000 >> HE HAD BEEN STAFFED AT THE MAJDANEK CAMP BEFORE THIS. HE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH GAS CHAMBERS. 582 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,000 >> HE HAD BEEN STAFFED AT THE MAJDANEK CAMP BEFORE THIS. HE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH GAS CHAMBERS. 583 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,134 >> HE HAD BEEN STAFFED AT THE MAJDANEK CAMP BEFORE THIS. HE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH GAS CHAMBERS. 584 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,000 HE SIGNED RECEIPTS THE RECORD ZYKLON B, THE LETHAL GAS THAT WAS USED FOR KILLING PEOPLE. HE IS A CRUCIAL COG IN THE NAZI 585 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,842 HE SIGNED RECEIPTS THE RECORD ZYKLON B, THE LETHAL GAS THAT WAS USED FOR KILLING PEOPLE. HE IS A CRUCIAL COG IN THE NAZI 586 00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:06,000 KILLING MACHINE. >> THE 116 PHOTOS IN THE ALBUM SHOW AUSCHWITZ HAS KARL HOCKER WANTED TO REMEMBER IT. 587 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,000 KILLING MACHINE. >> THE 116 PHOTOS IN THE ALBUM SHOW AUSCHWITZ HAS KARL HOCKER WANTED TO REMEMBER IT. 588 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,584 KILLING MACHINE. >> THE 116 PHOTOS IN THE ALBUM SHOW AUSCHWITZ HAS KARL HOCKER WANTED TO REMEMBER IT. 589 00:34:13,651 --> 00:34:18,000 >> IT'S A MIX OF CANDID THINGS AND REALLY OFFICIAL. THIS IS HIS DOG. HIS DOG'S NAME IS FAVORIT. 590 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,458 >> IT'S A MIX OF CANDID THINGS AND REALLY OFFICIAL. THIS IS HIS DOG. HIS DOG'S NAME IS FAVORIT. 591 00:34:20,525 --> 00:34:24,000 >> WHAT'S STUNNING IS HOW -- >> NORMAL? >> YEAH. >> YEAH. 592 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,396 >> WHAT'S STUNNING IS HOW -- >> NORMAL? >> YEAH. >> YEAH. 593 00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:30,000 >> WHO HASN'T TAKEN A PHOTO OF THEM SHAKING THEIR DOG'S HAND. >> THIS IS NAZI CHRISTMAS. THEY KNOW THE SOVIETS ARE 594 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,702 >> WHO HASN'T TAKEN A PHOTO OF THEM SHAKING THEIR DOG'S HAND. >> THIS IS NAZI CHRISTMAS. THEY KNOW THE SOVIETS ARE 595 00:34:31,769 --> 00:34:34,539 COMING. THEY ARE NOT FAR. THEY CAN PROBABLY HEAR THE BOMBS. 596 00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:36,000 >> AND THEY'RE LIGHTING CHRISTMAS -- >> YEAH. >> THE ALBUM REVEALS SOMETHING 597 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,743 >> AND THEY'RE LIGHTING CHRISTMAS -- >> YEAH. >> THE ALBUM REVEALS SOMETHING 598 00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:42,000 ELSE MUSEUM OFFICIALS HADN'T SEEN BEFORE. THE NAZIS BUILT A VACATION RESORT AT AUSCHWITZ. 599 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:48,000 ELSE MUSEUM OFFICIALS HADN'T SEEN BEFORE. THE NAZIS BUILT A VACATION RESORT AT AUSCHWITZ. 600 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,686 ELSE MUSEUM OFFICIALS HADN'T SEEN BEFORE. THE NAZIS BUILT A VACATION RESORT AT AUSCHWITZ. 601 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:54,000 IT WAS CALLED SOLAHUTTE. REBECCA ERBELDING BELIEVES IT WAS A PARTY. THEY WERE CONGRATULATING 602 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,493 IT WAS CALLED SOLAHUTTE. REBECCA ERBELDING BELIEVES IT WAS A PARTY. THEY WERE CONGRATULATING 603 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,000 THEMSELVES FOR SUCCESSFULLY MURDERING MORE THAN 350,000 HUNGARIAN JEWS IN JUST 55 DAYS. >> THIS LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE 604 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,636 THEMSELVES FOR SUCCESSFULLY MURDERING MORE THAN 350,000 HUNGARIAN JEWS IN JUST 55 DAYS. >> THIS LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE 605 00:35:05,703 --> 00:35:06,000 SINGING. >> THEY ARE. AND THIS FRONT ROW IS REALLY WHAT THE DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM 606 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,540 SINGING. >> THEY ARE. AND THIS FRONT ROW IS REALLY WHAT THE DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM 607 00:35:09,607 --> 00:35:12,000 CALLS THE CHORUS OF CRIMINALS. YOU HAVE OTTO MOLL, THE HEAD OF THE GAS CHAMBER SECTION. THERE'S RUDOLF HOSS, THE FORMER 608 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,000 CALLS THE CHORUS OF CRIMINALS. YOU HAVE OTTO MOLL, THE HEAD OF THE GAS CHAMBER SECTION. THERE'S RUDOLF HOSS, THE FORMER 609 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,588 CALLS THE CHORUS OF CRIMINALS. YOU HAVE OTTO MOLL, THE HEAD OF THE GAS CHAMBER SECTION. THERE'S RUDOLF HOSS, THE FORMER 610 00:35:23,654 --> 00:35:24,000 KMEN DETERMINANT. THEY'RE CELEBRATING A SUCCESSFUL MASS MURDER. >> SOMEBODY LABELLED IT A 611 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,000 KMEN DETERMINANT. THEY'RE CELEBRATING A SUCCESSFUL MASS MURDER. >> SOMEBODY LABELLED IT A 612 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,495 KMEN DETERMINANT. THEY'RE CELEBRATING A SUCCESSFUL MASS MURDER. >> SOMEBODY LABELLED IT A 613 00:35:30,561 --> 00:35:36,000 METROPOLIS OF DEATH. AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. IT WORKED LIKE AN ASSEMBLYLINE FACTORY. 614 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,801 METROPOLIS OF DEATH. AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. IT WORKED LIKE AN ASSEMBLYLINE FACTORY. 615 00:35:36,868 --> 00:35:42,000 >> IRENE WEISS GOT TO AUSCHWITZ THE DAY AFTER KARL HOCKER STARTED WORKING THERE. SHE ARRIVED WHEN SHE WAS 13 ON A 616 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,841 >> IRENE WEISS GOT TO AUSCHWITZ THE DAY AFTER KARL HOCKER STARTED WORKING THERE. SHE ARRIVED WHEN SHE WAS 13 ON A 617 00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:48,000 TRAIN PACKED WITH JEWS FROM HUNGARY. SEPARATED FROM HER PARENTS AND FOUR OF HER SIBLINGS, SHE SAID 618 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,016 TRAIN PACKED WITH JEWS FROM HUNGARY. SEPARATED FROM HER PARENTS AND FOUR OF HER SIBLINGS, SHE SAID 619 00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:54,000 SHE FOUND HERSELF ON THE PLATFORM HOLDING HER YOUNGER SISTER, EDITH'S HAND, AS THEY APPROACHED DR. MENGELE. 620 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,000 SHE FOUND HERSELF ON THE PLATFORM HOLDING HER YOUNGER SISTER, EDITH'S HAND, AS THEY APPROACHED DR. MENGELE. 621 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,959 SHE FOUND HERSELF ON THE PLATFORM HOLDING HER YOUNGER SISTER, EDITH'S HAND, AS THEY APPROACHED DR. MENGELE. 622 00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:06,000 >> IT WAS A MATTER OF SECONDS HE CAME DOWN BETWEEN US. HE HELD LIFE AND DEATH WITH THAT STICK. 623 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,731 >> IT WAS A MATTER OF SECONDS HE CAME DOWN BETWEEN US. HE HELD LIFE AND DEATH WITH THAT STICK. 624 00:36:06,797 --> 00:36:12,000 ALL OF A SUDDEN, I WAS ALONE. >> SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT AT THAT TIME, BUT THAT MOMENT WAS CAPTURED BY A NAZI PHOTOGRAPHER 625 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,872 ALL OF A SUDDEN, I WAS ALONE. >> SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT AT THAT TIME, BUT THAT MOMENT WAS CAPTURED BY A NAZI PHOTOGRAPHER 626 00:36:14,939 --> 00:36:18,000 DOCUMENTING THE ARRIVAL AND PROCESSING OF HUNGARIAN JEWS. IT APPEARS IN ONE OF THE ONLY OTHER ALBUMS OF AUSCHWITZ. 627 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,781 DOCUMENTING THE ARRIVAL AND PROCESSING OF HUNGARIAN JEWS. IT APPEARS IN ONE OF THE ONLY OTHER ALBUMS OF AUSCHWITZ. 628 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:24,000 THIS PHOTO HAS BEEN KOL RISED. >> THIS IS THE GROUP ALREADY GOING TO THE GAS CHAMBER. >> WHERE ARE YOU IN THIS 629 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,000 THIS PHOTO HAS BEEN KOL RISED. >> THIS IS THE GROUP ALREADY GOING TO THE GAS CHAMBER. >> WHERE ARE YOU IN THIS 630 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,121 THIS PHOTO HAS BEEN KOL RISED. >> THIS IS THE GROUP ALREADY GOING TO THE GAS CHAMBER. >> WHERE ARE YOU IN THIS 631 00:36:30,187 --> 00:36:33,090 PICTURE? >> I AM RIGHT HERE. >> THIS IS YOU? >> THAT'S ME RIGHT HERE. 632 00:36:33,157 --> 00:36:36,000 >> THIS IS THE MOMENT AFTER YOU'VE BEEN SEPARATED FROM YOUR SISTER? >> THE VERY MOMENT. 633 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,363 >> THIS IS THE MOMENT AFTER YOU'VE BEEN SEPARATED FROM YOUR SISTER? >> THE VERY MOMENT. 634 00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:42,000 THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. I CAN'T LEAVE. I LEFT HER. >> IRENE WEISS NEVER SAW HER 635 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,570 THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. I CAN'T LEAVE. I LEFT HER. >> IRENE WEISS NEVER SAW HER 636 00:36:45,636 --> 00:36:48,000 SISTER, PARENTS, OR BROTHER ALIVE AGAIN. WHAT SHE HAS IS THIS PHOTO. THAT'S HER MOTHER, SITTING ON 637 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,000 SISTER, PARENTS, OR BROTHER ALIVE AGAIN. WHAT SHE HAS IS THIS PHOTO. THAT'S HER MOTHER, SITTING ON 638 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,679 SISTER, PARENTS, OR BROTHER ALIVE AGAIN. WHAT SHE HAS IS THIS PHOTO. THAT'S HER MOTHER, SITTING ON 639 00:36:54,745 --> 00:37:00,000 THE GROUND BESIDE HER BROTHERS GERSHON AND REUBEN IN AUSCHWITZ. AFTER THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, THEY WERE LED INTO A GAS 640 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,955 THE GROUND BESIDE HER BROTHERS GERSHON AND REUBEN IN AUSCHWITZ. AFTER THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, THEY WERE LED INTO A GAS 641 00:37:04,021 --> 00:37:06,000 CHAMBER. >> THEY HAD TO KILL THE CHILDREN SO THERE WOULD NOT BE A NEW GENERATION. 642 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,626 CHAMBER. >> THEY HAD TO KILL THE CHILDREN SO THERE WOULD NOT BE A NEW GENERATION. 643 00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:12,000 THEY DISCOVERED IF THEY ALSO KILLED THE MOTHERS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE WORRY ABOUT THE CHAOS THAT THAT WOULD CREATE. 644 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,665 THEY DISCOVERED IF THEY ALSO KILLED THE MOTHERS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE WORRY ABOUT THE CHAOS THAT THAT WOULD CREATE. 645 00:37:14,732 --> 00:37:18,000 >> THE CHILDREN WOULDN'T BE UPSET BY BEING SEPARATED. >> AND THE MOTHERS WOULDN'T BE UPSET. 646 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,171 >> THE CHILDREN WOULDN'T BE UPSET BY BEING SEPARATED. >> AND THE MOTHERS WOULDN'T BE UPSET. 647 00:37:20,237 --> 00:37:24,000 >> WEISS SPENT THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS WORKING OUTSIDE ONE OF THOSE GAS CHAMBERS. SHE SORTED SHOES AND OTHER 648 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,344 >> WEISS SPENT THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS WORKING OUTSIDE ONE OF THOSE GAS CHAMBERS. SHE SORTED SHOES AND OTHER 649 00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:30,000 BELONGINGS OF THE DEAD. >> WE SAW THESE COLUMNS OF WOMEN, MOTHERS AND CHILDREN, GOING INTO THE DOOR THERE, 650 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:36,000 BELONGINGS OF THE DEAD. >> WE SAW THESE COLUMNS OF WOMEN, MOTHERS AND CHILDREN, GOING INTO THE DOOR THERE, 651 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,855 BELONGINGS OF THE DEAD. >> WE SAW THESE COLUMNS OF WOMEN, MOTHERS AND CHILDREN, GOING INTO THE DOOR THERE, 652 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:42,000 TALKING TO US. AND THEY'RE TOLD THEY'RE WALKING INTO A BATH HOUSE. THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS, WHERE 653 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,760 TALKING TO US. AND THEY'RE TOLD THEY'RE WALKING INTO A BATH HOUSE. THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS, WHERE 654 00:37:42,827 --> 00:37:48,000 ARE YOU FROM? AND A HALF HOUR LATER, THE CHIMNEY IS BELCHING FIRE. AND THAT WENT ON DAY AFTER DAY 655 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,070 ARE YOU FROM? AND A HALF HOUR LATER, THE CHIMNEY IS BELCHING FIRE. AND THAT WENT ON DAY AFTER DAY 656 00:37:53,137 --> 00:37:54,000 AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT. >> SO, YOU SAW THOUSANDS OF WOMEN, CHILDREN, WALKING INTO GAS CHAMBERS. 657 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,210 AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT. >> SO, YOU SAW THOUSANDS OF WOMEN, CHILDREN, WALKING INTO GAS CHAMBERS. 658 00:37:59,276 --> 00:38:00,000 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND YOU TALKED TO SOME OF THEM. >> ABSOLUTELY. 659 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,446 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND YOU TALKED TO SOME OF THEM. >> ABSOLUTELY. 660 00:38:02,513 --> 00:38:06,000 >> IN THE LAST SECONDS OF THEIR LIVES, MINUTES OF THEIR LIFE. >> BUT WE COULDN'T CRY. IT WAS AN AMAZING THING. 661 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,987 >> IN THE LAST SECONDS OF THEIR LIVES, MINUTES OF THEIR LIFE. >> BUT WE COULDN'T CRY. IT WAS AN AMAZING THING. 662 00:38:10,054 --> 00:38:12,000 THIS IS BEYOND CRYING. TEARS ARE FOR NORMAL PAIN. THAT KIND OF BRUTALITY FROM FELLOW MANKIND IS SO DEEP -- 663 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:18,000 THIS IS BEYOND CRYING. TEARS ARE FOR NORMAL PAIN. THAT KIND OF BRUTALITY FROM FELLOW MANKIND IS SO DEEP -- 664 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000 THIS IS BEYOND CRYING. TEARS ARE FOR NORMAL PAIN. THAT KIND OF BRUTALITY FROM FELLOW MANKIND IS SO DEEP -- 665 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,835 THIS IS BEYOND CRYING. TEARS ARE FOR NORMAL PAIN. THAT KIND OF BRUTALITY FROM FELLOW MANKIND IS SO DEEP -- 666 00:38:24,902 --> 00:38:30,000 PEOPLE SAY BROKEN HEART. THE HEART KEEPS WORKING. BUT THE SOUL NEVER FORGETS. >> IRENE WEISS WASN'T SURPRISED 667 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,000 PEOPLE SAY BROKEN HEART. THE HEART KEEPS WORKING. BUT THE SOUL NEVER FORGETS. >> IRENE WEISS WASN'T SURPRISED 668 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,814 PEOPLE SAY BROKEN HEART. THE HEART KEEPS WORKING. BUT THE SOUL NEVER FORGETS. >> IRENE WEISS WASN'T SURPRISED 669 00:38:36,881 --> 00:38:42,000 BY THE PHOTOS IN KARL HOCKER'S ALBUM. WHEN THEY WERE RELEASED PUBLICLY, THEY MADE HEADLINES 670 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,989 BY THE PHOTOS IN KARL HOCKER'S ALBUM. WHEN THEY WERE RELEASED PUBLICLY, THEY MADE HEADLINES 671 00:38:45,056 --> 00:38:48,000 AROUND THE WORLD. TILMAN TAUBE READ ABOUT THIS IN GERMANY WHILE ON HIS LUNCH BREAK. 672 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,229 AROUND THE WORLD. TILMAN TAUBE READ ABOUT THIS IN GERMANY WHILE ON HIS LUNCH BREAK. 673 00:38:52,296 --> 00:38:54,000 >> NEW PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ HAVE APPEARED. THIS IS INTERESTING. >> WHEN HE LOOKED AT THE PHOTOS, 674 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,136 >> NEW PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ HAVE APPEARED. THIS IS INTERESTING. >> WHEN HE LOOKED AT THE PHOTOS, 675 00:38:59,203 --> 00:39:00,000 SHE WAS HE WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HIS GRANDFATHER, DR. HEINZ BAUMKOTTER. 676 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,974 SHE WAS HE WAS SURPRISED TO SEE HIS GRANDFATHER, DR. HEINZ BAUMKOTTER. 677 00:39:04,041 --> 00:39:06,000 >> THE FIRST PICTURES, IT WASN'T CLEAR. BUT I FLIPPED AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR IT WAS HIM. 678 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,680 >> THE FIRST PICTURES, IT WASN'T CLEAR. BUT I FLIPPED AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR IT WAS HIM. 679 00:39:09,747 --> 00:39:12,000 >> HE KNEW HIS GRANDFATHER WAS HEAD -- SACHSENHAUSEN, HAD DONE MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS ON PRISONERS. 680 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,000 >> HE KNEW HIS GRANDFATHER WAS HEAD -- SACHSENHAUSEN, HAD DONE MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS ON PRISONERS. 681 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,389 >> HE KNEW HIS GRANDFATHER WAS HEAD -- SACHSENHAUSEN, HAD DONE MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS ON PRISONERS. 682 00:39:18,456 --> 00:39:24,000 BUT TAUBE WASN'T SURE WHY HIS GRANDFATHER HAD GONE TO AUSCHWITZ. HE CONNECTED WITH REBECCA r 683 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,464 BUT TAUBE WASN'T SURE WHY HIS GRANDFATHER HAD GONE TO AUSCHWITZ. HE CONNECTED WITH REBECCA r 684 00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:30,000 ERBELDING AND SOON DISCOVERED HOW DEEPLY INVOLVED HIS GRANDFATHER WAS IN THE HOLOCAUST. 685 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,836 ERBELDING AND SOON DISCOVERED HOW DEEPLY INVOLVED HIS GRANDFATHER WAS IN THE HOLOCAUST. 686 00:39:31,902 --> 00:39:36,000 >> WHEN YOU SEE THAT PICTURE OF YOUR GRANDFATHER, DOES THAT FEEL LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHER? >> FOR ME, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT 687 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,675 >> WHEN YOU SEE THAT PICTURE OF YOUR GRANDFATHER, DOES THAT FEEL LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHER? >> FOR ME, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT 688 00:39:37,742 --> 00:39:42,000 PERSONS. THE GRANDFATHER I KNEW WAS A RATHER NORMAL GRANDFATHER. AND THE S.S. OFFICER IS A 689 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,413 PERSONS. THE GRANDFATHER I KNEW WAS A RATHER NORMAL GRANDFATHER. AND THE S.S. OFFICER IS A 690 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,384 DIFFERENT PERSON. >> IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO RECONCILE THE TWO. >> IT'S DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT. 691 00:39:47,451 --> 00:39:48,000 >> TAUBE NOW HELPS THE MUSEUM SEARCH FOR MORE PHOTOS AND DOCUMENTS BY REACHING OUT TO OTHER DESCENDANTS OF NAZIS. 692 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:54,000 >> TAUBE NOW HELPS THE MUSEUM SEARCH FOR MORE PHOTOS AND DOCUMENTS BY REACHING OUT TO OTHER DESCENDANTS OF NAZIS. 693 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,792 >> TAUBE NOW HELPS THE MUSEUM SEARCH FOR MORE PHOTOS AND DOCUMENTS BY REACHING OUT TO OTHER DESCENDANTS OF NAZIS. 694 00:39:54,859 --> 00:40:00,000 >> OF COURSE YOU WANT TO BE PART OF SOME KIND OF MOVEMENT THAT HELPS PREVENTING THINGS LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. 695 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,566 >> OF COURSE YOU WANT TO BE PART OF SOME KIND OF MOVEMENT THAT HELPS PREVENTING THINGS LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. 696 00:40:02,633 --> 00:40:06,000 >> YOU KNOW YOUR GRANDFATHER AND YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID. DOES IT MAKE YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS, 697 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,506 >> YOU KNOW YOUR GRANDFATHER AND YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID. DOES IT MAKE YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS, 698 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:12,000 WHAT WE ARE ALL CAPABLE OF? >> ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. >> HOW COULD HIGHLY EDUCATED 699 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,645 WHAT WE ARE ALL CAPABLE OF? >> ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. >> HOW COULD HIGHLY EDUCATED 700 00:40:14,712 --> 00:40:18,000 PHYSICIANS, PEOPLE WHOSE ENTIRE PURPOSE WAS TO HEAL, BECOME SYSTEMIC KILLERS? >> THE PLAY ABOUT THE HOCKER 701 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,000 PHYSICIANS, PEOPLE WHOSE ENTIRE PURPOSE WAS TO HEAL, BECOME SYSTEMIC KILLERS? >> THE PLAY ABOUT THE HOCKER 702 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,222 PHYSICIANS, PEOPLE WHOSE ENTIRE PURPOSE WAS TO HEAL, BECOME SYSTEMIC KILLERS? >> THE PLAY ABOUT THE HOCKER 703 00:40:25,289 --> 00:40:30,000 ALBUM RAISES DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, NOT JUST ABOUT OUR PAST BUT ABOUT OURSELVES. >> WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE 704 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,630 ALBUM RAISES DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, NOT JUST ABOUT OUR PAST BUT ABOUT OURSELVES. >> WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE 705 00:40:32,696 --> 00:40:36,000 PICTURES, WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS OF HOW THEY SAW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. >> WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO SEE 706 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,571 PICTURES, WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS OF HOW THEY SAW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. >> WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO SEE 707 00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:42,000 AUSCHWITZ THROUGH THEIR EYES? >> BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WAKE UP EACH MORNING THINKING, I'M AN EVIL MONSTER. 708 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,876 AUSCHWITZ THROUGH THEIR EYES? >> BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WAKE UP EACH MORNING THINKING, I'M AN EVIL MONSTER. 709 00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:48,000 I'M GOING TO DO EVIL MONSTROUS THINGS. THEY WOKE UP EACH DAY AND THEY WENT ABOUT THEIR LIVES FILLED 710 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,016 I'M GOING TO DO EVIL MONSTROUS THINGS. THEY WOKE UP EACH DAY AND THEY WENT ABOUT THEIR LIVES FILLED 711 00:40:52,082 --> 00:40:54,000 WITH JUSTIFICATIONS AND BELIEFS IN WHAT THEY WERE DOING. >> IT MAKES ALL OF US ASK THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT AM I 712 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,557 WITH JUSTIFICATIONS AND BELIEFS IN WHAT THEY WERE DOING. >> IT MAKES ALL OF US ASK THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT AM I 713 00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:00,000 CAPABLE OF DOING? >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. WHEN THE AUDIENCE COMES IN, THEY 714 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,694 CAPABLE OF DOING? >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. WHEN THE AUDIENCE COMES IN, THEY 715 00:41:03,761 --> 00:41:06,000 SIT HERE AND THEY GO, WHO WOULD I HAVE BEEN IN THAT PICTURE? >> THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE WORLD IS MAN BECAUSE OTHER 716 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,000 SIT HERE AND THEY GO, WHO WOULD I HAVE BEEN IN THAT PICTURE? >> THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE WORLD IS MAN BECAUSE OTHER 717 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,340 SIT HERE AND THEY GO, WHO WOULD I HAVE BEEN IN THAT PICTURE? >> THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL IN THE WORLD IS MAN BECAUSE OTHER 718 00:41:16,407 --> 00:41:18,000 ANIMALS WILL HURT YOU IF THEY'RE HUNGRY OR IT'S THEIR NATURE OF HUNTING. BUT MEN CAN TURN INTO AN ANIMAL 719 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,000 ANIMALS WILL HURT YOU IF THEY'RE HUNGRY OR IT'S THEIR NATURE OF HUNTING. BUT MEN CAN TURN INTO AN ANIMAL 720 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,584 ANIMALS WILL HURT YOU IF THEY'RE HUNGRY OR IT'S THEIR NATURE OF HUNTING. BUT MEN CAN TURN INTO AN ANIMAL 721 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:30,000 IN NO TIME. ALL HE NEEDS IS PERMISSION. AS SOON AS PERMISSION IS GIVEN FROM HIGHER UP, FROM GOVERNMENT, 722 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,623 IN NO TIME. ALL HE NEEDS IS PERMISSION. AS SOON AS PERMISSION IS GIVEN FROM HIGHER UP, FROM GOVERNMENT, 723 00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:36,000 IT ACCELERATES. SEVEN A HINT OF EVEN A HINT OF PERMISSION THAT IT'S OKAY TO ATTACK THIS GROUP 724 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:42,000 IT ACCELERATES. SEVEN A HINT OF EVEN A HINT OF PERMISSION THAT IT'S OKAY TO ATTACK THIS GROUP 725 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,502 IT ACCELERATES. SEVEN A HINT OF EVEN A HINT OF PERMISSION THAT IT'S OKAY TO ATTACK THIS GROUP 726 00:41:45,569 --> 00:41:48,000 OR SHAME THIS GROUP. IT'S HAP . >>> TONIGHT A FAREWELL TO OUR 727 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,000 OR SHAME THIS GROUP. IT'S HAP . >>> TONIGHT A FAREWELL TO OUR 728 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,000 OR SHAME THIS GROUP. IT'S HAP . >>> TONIGHT A FAREWELL TO OUR 729 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,920 OR SHAME THIS GROUP. IT'S HAP . >>> TONIGHT A FAREWELL TO OUR 730 00:42:02,987 --> 00:42:06,000 56th SEASON AND TO FRANK DEVINE, WHO MADE "60 MINUTES" BETTER FOR 35 YEARS. FRANK IS RETIRING AS THE SENIOR 731 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:12,000 56th SEASON AND TO FRANK DEVINE, WHO MADE "60 MINUTES" BETTER FOR 35 YEARS. FRANK IS RETIRING AS THE SENIOR 732 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,129 56th SEASON AND TO FRANK DEVINE, WHO MADE "60 MINUTES" BETTER FOR 35 YEARS. FRANK IS RETIRING AS THE SENIOR 733 00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:18,000 PRODUCER WHO IMPROVED THE WRITING OF EVERY "60 MINUTES" STORY. AS A PRODUCER FOR STEVE KROFT, 734 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,203 PRODUCER WHO IMPROVED THE WRITING OF EVERY "60 MINUTES" STORY. AS A PRODUCER FOR STEVE KROFT, 735 00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:24,000 FRANK EXPLAINED THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS, INTRODUCED US TO AN UNKNOWN ILLINOIS SENATOR NAMED BARACK OBAMA, AND PRODUCED 736 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,345 FRANK EXPLAINED THE 2008 FINANCIAL CRISIS, INTRODUCED US TO AN UNKNOWN ILLINOIS SENATOR NAMED BARACK OBAMA, AND PRODUCED 737 00:42:28,412 --> 00:42:30,000 AN ALMOST UNHEARD OF INTERVIEW WITH THEN CHARLES PRINCE OF WALES. NOW WE MUST RETURN OUR COLLEAGUE 738 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,419 AN ALMOST UNHEARD OF INTERVIEW WITH THEN CHARLES PRINCE OF WALES. NOW WE MUST RETURN OUR COLLEAGUE 739 00:42:35,486 --> 00:42:36,000 TO HIS FAMILY. WE WILL REMEMBER FRANK FOR HIS GENEROUS AND LEARNED PRESENCE, AND OUR AUDIENCE IS IN THE DEBT 740 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:42,000 TO HIS FAMILY. WE WILL REMEMBER FRANK FOR HIS GENEROUS AND LEARNED PRESENCE, AND OUR AUDIENCE IS IN THE DEBT 741 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,230 TO HIS FAMILY. WE WILL REMEMBER FRANK FOR HIS GENEROUS AND LEARNED PRESENCE, AND OUR AUDIENCE IS IN THE DEBT 742 00:42:46,297 --> 00:42:48,000 OF A JOURNALIST WHO BELIEVES FACTS ARE FACTS AND WRITING FILLS THEM WITH MEANING. WE MAY NOT SEE HIS BY LINE, L. 743 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:54,000 OF A JOURNALIST WHO BELIEVES FACTS ARE FACTS AND WRITING FILLS THEM WITH MEANING. WE MAY NOT SEE HIS BY LINE, L. 744 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,240 OF A JOURNALIST WHO BELIEVES FACTS ARE FACTS AND WRITING FILLS THEM WITH MEANING. WE MAY NOT SEE HIS BY LINE, L. 745 00:42:56,307 --> 00:43:00,000 FRANKLIN DEVINE, HER AGAIN. BUT HIS INSPIRATION ENDURES. I'M SCOTT PELLEY. WE'LL 746 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,000 FRANKLIN DEVINE, HER AGAIN. BUT HIS INSPIRATION ENDURES. I'M SCOTT PELLEY. WE'LL 747 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,986 FRANKLIN DEVINE, HER AGAIN. BUT HIS INSPIRATION ENDURES. I'M SCOTT PELLEY. WE'LL